The Inelia thread

[Normalguy31]

Where did they come from? Very good question. I work with an entourage, this is what I call guides and higher self, divine source, our selves from different timelines and future, as well as people on the planet who are also in the same "job".
A very good question that pops up when we work with these beings, or even people we work with in our environment, is "are they really working for the light, or are they wolves in sheep's clothing?" And this is where personal discernment comes in.


Can you elaborate any more about the entourage? Would any of these people in the same situation as you, I would assume incarnated in a human body, be familiar with anyone here at Avalon?

Would we also know any of the artists that you are working with? Or at least what medium they use, painting, music, writing, photography, acting etc. I am very interested!

And waiting on this interview is like a kid waiting on christmas eve for presents. Theory of relativity is killing me right now. haha

Much love as always, Matt

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hi Inelia,

1. Are there any techniques you can share with us on how to avoid the ego making us think we are a powerful God-like being deserving to be King or Queen of others simply because there are divine whispers in our head(so clear it sounds like our own thoughts), and have abilities that are impossible to truly explain in words? (I tried to make this sentence shorter, I did!)
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actually once you reach that level you don't have a problem with Ego and want to run from divine destiny...

The problem is, you can't...

[Flash]

"The car (hardware) has been engineered from recycled components - and the engine management system (software) has a mind of its own, and itself reincarnates.

But the driver (the operator) has never been here before, and has never driven any car."

Using this metaphor, what fuels the vehicle?

Who maintains the roads?

What are some difficulties associated with driving a car for the first time?

Although the work is difficult and unglamorous, it remains the most important thing I have ever done. Even more important than last week's meeting with a 9 foot red-headed telepath who agreed with and supported my decision to stay entrenched in this path.

The children are the only hope for our future. So much pain and yet so much beauty exists hidden in plain site.

I am grateful for Bill, Inelia, and all of the other insightful posters. Reading these threads is part of my decompression routine.

Peace be with you.

First, thanks for the explanation Bill, it made it very clear to me. In fact, it is so cute, a real guy explanation, very efficient (I would never have though of using a car analogy in such a way).

Second, Sync, please allow me to have some fun in trying to make the connections with your questions. I do not want to answer in Bill's place, just to bring in my simple understanding:

What fuels the vehicule: our vehicule is made of recycled material of flesh and blood, and inherited DNA, therefore the fuel is the food we eat or the scrap we ingest or the pesticides we breath in, see...

The car's software development or rewriting when too old: the values and beliefs we carry over, from life to life

The driver's input: directly from energy sent by the Source, the energy sends impulses to turn right,the driver turns right, etc. (I think, please correct me if I am wrong)

Who maintains the roads? Nobody these days it seems lol (joke). May be all the helpers surrounding the driver maintain the road. They are very trained efficient ones if the vehicule is a formula 1 and the driver a top notch athlete (spiritual of course). the wheels/brakes are changed in seconds and the road made clean by a cooperating team.

Third: Thank you so much Sync for the work you do. You are amongst the most needed. I do empathised with the difficulties, and the rewards. Take care of yourself, Perfectresonance in post 249 is absolutely right, you are needed for yet quite a lot of time to come, take care of your vehicule and your software in order to help the driver to go where he has to go.

Flash

PS Thank you Bill and Inelia, this is a great, real great thread

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBMMpdJVu_w&feature=related

[Inelia]

Hello Bill/Inelia/everyone
For a complete "beginner" what is the best way to start in this ascension/raising vibration process. Is it a natural process that just needs time or is there a book which contains techniques you can use to start raising your vibrations (such as blessing your food, water etc.) Which book is the best?

Inelia,
Enjoyed your talk with Lucia Rene and looking forward to your upcoming Avalon vid. A question: Do you have a deadline by which all your work has to be done? Or, when will the ascension process be complete (or maybe it's ongoing?)

Thanks

Blessing food and water is a very good step, also doing a detox every now and then. On another note, by facing and processing negative vibrations (fear, old programs, anger, etc), we actually raise our vibration by default. Like, dropping baggage so the balloon ascends into the sky :)

I am personally booked to stay on this work until 2017. It is my opinion that energies will lock at the end of 2012 through 2013, then it's a job of adjustment for the population of the planet. Like Bob Dean said, our kids will travel the stars... and it won't just be fuel propelled spaceships.

[Inelia]

I found (as many have) that Hubbard's techniques work, and to a certain degree are very effective, but they are misapplied by almost all in the Cof$ either deliberately or because the members are unaware of what they are doing. It is a cult. The year was 'interesting'.

Inelia, thank you such much for your participation here!

I found your comment above interesting, I'd like to learn more. Which techniques, and what are they used for? Should I just read one of LRH's books?

LRH's books have been edited to death by the Cof$. I was able to read a few originals, they were sooo different. For starters, they had a bibliography as well as source of information, plus credits to those people who had worked on techniques etc.. The new ones are all credited to LRH, and even the techniques are changed by the deletion or changing of paragraphs and words. But I hear that the freezone has some stuff in its original form.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

I have a question about the source of what could be called an "infusion" of energy. I know you have stated that you (the skin-encapsulated being we see in a photo) are not the source, you are merely a conduit.

I also recognize/understand/believe that ultimately, all energy comes from Source. But, in our working through this illusion of Source subdivided into worlds and souls (the illusion that we are separate beings or even separate souls), do you know specifically where the energy comes from when a lightworker (for lack of a better term) acts as a conduit and allows energy to flow through?

Evidently (according to a blended synopsis gleaned by Michael Newton working with over 7000 subjects in soul memory, during Life Between Lives - LBL - hypnotherapy sessions), we all bi-locate. That is, some of our overall soul energy is always with the part of our soul in spirit form, and we make a decision about how much of that soul energy to bring with us in each incarnation - never even close to 100%. (This next part gets a bit tricky for my logical mind, that cannot embrace more than an intellectual glimpse of the concept): time is not linear. So, when in a state of "soul memory", one is also in a state of "soul experience" - literally not just remembering past incarnations, but rather experiencing all of them simultaneously as well as the current (and even future ones.) Whew! Some subjects in LBL hypnotherapy report being able to make a decision to increase the amount of soul energy 'downloaded' into the incarnate being.

So, my long-winded question is: when energy is 'channeled' or 'funneled' into us by a lightworker, is that energy a part of our own soul energy, or is that more like a direct "battery charge" of energy directly from Source?

Dennis

I see it as coming directly from source. And as long as the conduit does not add anything to it, such as their own belief system or whatever, it will be triggered within the other person in its purest form. The other person then feels it and interprets it according to his or her reality.

[Inelia]

Inelia:

Is there a difference between God and Source or are they the same thing?

It very much depends what one means by God. If it is a man with a gray beard sitting on a throne, then no, it's not the same thing. If it is the divine consciousness that is/experiences/observes existence and non existence in all time/space and beyond, then... we are getting closer :)

[Inelia]

Something I still don't get about Scientology / Free-Org / Ron's-Org etc.

Inelia can you or Bill pls fault my logic?

1. The protocols behind Scientology are powerful and of good intention

2. Hubbard is the teacher of these protocols

3. Scientology gets infiltrated 1978+ The material is changed and people are used & abused (ie. it becomes more of a money making racket than teaching people the abilities they seek, people are heavily controlled) This is what we have in mainstream Scientology today.

4. Splinter groups break away, Free-Zone / Ron's Org etc. They continue to work with the technology (the original unmodified meterial), and don't use and abuse people (they give free choice)

5. Both streams (3 & 4) appear to have high regard for Hubbard as a 'person' and his 'teachings'.

6. Both Inelia and Bill have been heavily involved in #3 (Inelia) & #4 (Bill) and I assume support #5 ?

7. I assume Inelia's abilities were further developed as a result of #3 / 4 ?

8. Looking into Hubbard as a 'person' pre or post 1978 and watching a fair amount footage it appears he 'was' controlling people, money making 'was' a priority (perhaps not to the same degree as today), I don't see evidence of putting the people 1st ahead of the money, and he just does not come across as the nice, kind, caring kinda chap I thought he was (ie. no evidence of any Christ energy - for want of a better description).

#1 + #2 + #5 = #8 ... just don't seem to add up for me.

From my perspective, Scientology was infiltrated, and Hubbard compromised, in the early/mid 60s.

[jcocks]

Hi Inelia..

I noticed you thanked my post but have not replied to the questions I posted? Is that because you can't answer? If so, that's fine.... I was just wondeering...

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Something I still don't get about Scientology / Free-Org / Ron's-Org etc.

Inelia can you or Bill pls fault my logic?

1. The protocols behind Scientology are powerful and of good intention

2. Hubbard is the teacher of these protocols

3. Scientology gets infiltrated 1978+ The material is changed and people are used & abused (ie. it becomes more of a money making racket than teaching people the abilities they seek, people are heavily controlled) This is what we have in mainstream Scientology today.

4. Splinter groups break away, Free-Zone / Ron's Org etc. They continue to work with the technology (the original unmodified meterial), and don't use and abuse people (they give free choice)

5. Both streams (3 & 4) appear to have high regard for Hubbard as a 'person' and his 'teachings'.

6. Both Inelia and Bill have been heavily involved in #3 (Inelia) & #4 (Bill) and I assume support #5 ?

7. I assume Inelia's abilities were further developed as a result of #3 / 4 ?

8. Looking into Hubbard as a 'person' pre or post 1978 and watching a fair amount footage it appears he 'was' controlling people, money making 'was' a priority (perhaps not to the same degree as today), I don't see evidence of putting the people 1st ahead of the money, and he just does not come across as the nice, kind, caring kinda chap I thought he was (ie. no evidence of any Christ energy - for want of a better description).

#1 + #2 + #5 = #8 ... just don't seem to add up for me.

From my perspective, Scientology was infiltrated, and Hubbard compromised, in the early/mid 60s.

I was just about to say that perhaps he became a victim of his own church? It seems he did. Funny how that happens to a lot of the best people out there (They're taken out by other forces)....

:(

[Inelia]

Dear Inelia,

I am extremely grateful you are speaking your truth as it has tremendously resonated with me.

Your outlook is what the world needs. I believe there are many more of your kind.

I was curious if you could speak about your process of “coming out” to the world of Avalon, which spans the globe.

The energetics associated with a rapid transition into a higher public profile feel tremendous and involve multiple domains.

I can sense many positive aspects that some people may experience, such as having a forum to benefit others by sharing experiences, the reinforcing of a collectivist social support group, and helping the wayward seeker who stumbles upon this data.

Conversely, I have seen others that “come out” experience negative aspects, such as increased time in front of an EMF emitting box, quicker recognition in astral recon by negs, heightened visibility to beings that intrude on lightworkers by exploiting ego, the public’s Messiah complex, as well as a host of other considerations.

What were some of your experiences?

Although new to Avalon, I've had an internet presence, on and off, for many years. With regard the Messiah complex, I am here to save no one, so that's a non starter :) There's a difference between empowering people, teaching them to become their own Messiah, and a person who teaches, or thinks, that they can do it for the people. In my opinion this is one of those distinct differences between the old paradigm and the one we are presently stepping into. In the old one, people needed and sought saviours. In the new one, they go out and find their own path. The role I feel I fill is that of providing possible tools and information that might make the journey a little faster and more effective.


What was one aspect of “coming out” (on Avalon) that was cause for pause?

This is a new way to see it for me. I didn't feel that I was coming on Avalon. I'm just walking my path, no pause, and was lucky to be guided to this fabulous group of people.


Do you feel that you have a bigger effect on our timeline now or when you were behind the scenes?

Not really. If anything, I think if there was, or is, something that will have a larger effect is my teaming up with Bill to do this new work.


How are the two different? How are they the same?

No difference.


Perhaps if you could share some salient aspects of your process, others may follow and share their truth; regardless of the possible associated risks to themselves and the general populace.

Sincerely,

Sync

Thanks for the questions, they were excellent :)

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Hi Inelia..

I noticed you thanked my post but have not replied to the questions I posted? Is that because you can't answer? If so, that's fine.... I was just wondeering...

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Something I still don't get about Scientology / Free-Org / Ron's-Org etc.

Inelia can you or Bill pls fault my logic?

1. The protocols behind Scientology are powerful and of good intention

2. Hubbard is the teacher of these protocols

3. Scientology gets infiltrated 1978+ The material is changed and people are used & abused (ie. it becomes more of a money making racket than teaching people the abilities they seek, people are heavily controlled) This is what we have in mainstream Scientology today.

4. Splinter groups break away, Free-Zone / Ron's Org etc. They continue to work with the technology (the original unmodified meterial), and don't use and abuse people (they give free choice)

5. Both streams (3 & 4) appear to have high regard for Hubbard as a 'person' and his 'teachings'.

6. Both Inelia and Bill have been heavily involved in #3 (Inelia) & #4 (Bill) and I assume support #5 ?

7. I assume Inelia's abilities were further developed as a result of #3 / 4 ?

8. Looking into Hubbard as a 'person' pre or post 1978 and watching a fair amount footage it appears he 'was' controlling people, money making 'was' a priority (perhaps not to the same degree as today), I don't see evidence of putting the people 1st ahead of the money, and he just does not come across as the nice, kind, caring kinda chap I thought he was (ie. no evidence of any Christ energy - for want of a better description).

#1 + #2 + #5 = #8 ... just don't seem to add up for me.

From my perspective, Scientology was infiltrated, and Hubbard compromised, in the early/mid 60s.

I was just about to say that perhaps he became a victim of his own church? It seems he did. Funny how that happens to a lot of the best people out there (They're taken out by other forces)....

:(

Yes, I think he did. The church was most certainly infiltrated, and his fate was not a good one after that. Very sad really.

[Dorok]

<snip> Why should an infinite being with awesome creative powers (like you and I and we all really are) be afraid of anything at all?

I think that's the BIG question!! If anyone one of us could honestly say that, then I'm willing to listen. Unfortunately, I'm 99.49% sure (from the P&G HQ city BTW) that no one honestly can. Else, they wouldn't be here! ;)

[Inelia]

Where did they come from? Very good question. I work with an entourage, this is what I call guides and higher self, divine source, our selves from different timelines and future, as well as people on the planet who are also in the same "job".
A very good question that pops up when we work with these beings, or even people we work with in our environment, is "are they really working for the light, or are they wolves in sheep's clothing?" And this is where personal discernment comes in.


Can you elaborate any more about the entourage? Would any of these people in the same situation as you, I would assume incarnated in a human body, be familiar with anyone here at Avalon?

Would we also know any of the artists that you are working with? Or at least what medium they use, painting, music, writing, photography, acting etc. I am very interested!

And waiting on this interview is like a kid waiting on christmas eve for presents. Theory of relativity is killing me right now. haha

Much love as always, Matt

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

I am not sure what you mean in the second question. Can you clarify please?

Unless a person reveals themselves publicly that I am working with them, I keep their relationship completely confidential, so can't give any names. However, the mediums are painting, music, writing and photography.

[Sync]

I am an advocate for sexually/physically abused children in Central Los Angeles who averages ~65 hours of work per week on top of my own intervention design projects.
I am broke and my batteries are low... but my primary wish is to serve underprivileged minority populations that are invisible to mainstream society.
Although the work is difficult and unglamorous, it remains the most important thing I have ever done.


I thank you for your important work.



Allow yourself time away to recharge. You are no good to them unless you can work from a place of peace and strength.

TRUST the Source to step in and deal with things in your absence.

You must take care of yourself first. This is far from selfish - it is essential to keep you in top condition to keep doing what you do best.

I speak as someone who has seriously overdrawn his own energy-bank-account a number of times before I learned to balance my life. It takes at least as long to recover from abusing your own body and spirit this way as it took to inflict it upon yourself. What you do is important, but you won't do it for very long, nor very well unless you recognise you should be a finely honed and hardened blade instead of dull edged and rusty...

{Sorry, this is off-topic)

Thank you for your concern; It is very comforting to hear those words.

I know all too well about balance.

Unfortunately, in order to maintain my grant I am forced to keep up this workload. Strange to say, I am exhausted but full.

An evidenced-based intervention module of my design (which includes a major theme on meditation) is rapidly gaining momentum. It's pilot launch was two weeks ago and I have a rapidly growing support base; PhDs are clamoring to attach to their name to the project (where were they 5 years ago?) and it is being translated and back-translated into >10 languages. Many believe it could become nationally instituted.

BTW, the entire intervention is embedded within the context of an interactive children's book based on futurist themes discussed here at Avalon and from my own childhood. Kids LOVE it!

It is set on another planet where all species co-exist peacefully, except for some of their kids.

[NancyV]

From my perspective, Scientology was infiltrated, and Hubbard compromised, in the early/mid 60s.

I think that's about right, Inelia. I first got involved with what seemed to be the inner circle (or close to it) of Scientology in the early 70's in Los Angeles, probably around 1973. At that time there were a good number of members who were pretty heavy duty coke dealers, many of whom were my "friends/acquaintances". They were definitely into big money, the control aspects of Scientology, developing their "powers", and boy did they love to party hard!

It didn't take long for me to come to the conclusion that these games were not to my taste. I had read all of Hubbard's books and was a fan of his initially because of his science fiction books, but I found Scientology interesting....until I met the people right around Hubbard. So by the early 70's it seemed to be very compromised.

Nancy

[Tangri]

Hi Inelia
Thank you for the link you provided.

http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I have noticed both you and Bill have Broke bread with the same mutual friend.
Terril Park.

Back in November 2005 Bill attended a mini FZ conference in an East Grinstead Coffee Shop.
http://www.arovast.co.uk/gatwick05.htm

Then back in April\May 2008 Terril Park Visited you at your home.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=95595&postcount=2


I also see you felt you were scammed out of 3000 inheritance money
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=183149#post183149

Did you manage to recover that money?

Kind Regards
Ace

Nice search ACE

[mosquito]

Sync - Good luck with everything, your work is important, draining yet fulfilling, understood, glad to hear that this forum helps you decompress and recharge, you aren't alone brother.

Perfectresonance - another string of lovely posts, thanks !

[Flash]

From Inelia post

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

I am not sure what you mean in the second question. Can you clarify please?

Unless a person reveals themselves publicly that I am working with them, I keep their relationship completely confidential, so can't give any names. However, the mediums are painting, music, writing and photography

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.

[loveandgratitude]

Sorry I cannot help but have a little say here. I do exactly the same thing when I cook. Every time I follow a recipe from the internet, a book etc they taste horrible. The food does not turn out at all to my taste. I cater a lot for parties, health food shops etc. I am a very famous cook in this area and all my recipes come from the ether. When i am cooking I ask for receipes to be downloaded from the spirit realm, and ideas just jump into my head. A bit more of this, less of that etc. The end result, amazing. People just love my cooking. I have been cooking for 20 years and people just rave about the taste, the original ideas etc. I always say I have a cooking guide to help me create these heavenly delights. Maybe that helps you understand another perspective of the same thing.

[perfectresonance]

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner

A fascinating question.

I haven't asked Source for help for a long, long time.

Mostly because I don't want to ask for trivial things, and

I have this weird sense that I don't want to use all my bullets for fun when I may end up in a gun fight later.

As a father I don't want to be the child that wears down the parent with continuous requests for - essentially trivial - things

Does that makes sense?

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Question for Inelia: Does this process work in reverse? Do your spiritual helpers need your help too? Or is this always a one-way deal?

[Nate]

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

This brought me a big déjà vu smile :)

Back in '06 I got in my car and decided to drive to a specific pizza place that I knew was somewhere west of Dallas, but I didn't know exactly where. In my excited "source-like" state I just took off south from McKinney then turned right to head west. There was an enlightened/humorous conversation going on in my head that I could only describe as my higher self having a conversation with itself (entourage?). It felt like when you talk to yourself, a bit schizophrenic, only times 100... and divine comedy making you laugh along the way. The spirits/voices in my head (or whatever you call them), would say something then I would move my head to a billboard on the side of the road to read it and it said something that would perfectly compliment what the voices in my head were entertaining me with. It was very surreal but not unexpected as at this point it was happening all the time.

Next thing you know I'm at the specific pizza place I wanted to try out, without ever even considering where I was going due to the hilarious divine conversation going on in my head.

That's the best I can explain it. The pizza was delicious.

[Spartacus]

Hi Inelia

I sense that your immediate influence upon this forum has been to focus awareness on self empowerment and the potential that lies within each of us to expand and evolve. Having stood on the sidelines here and witnessed the general discordant vibe of confusion and fear over the last few months caused by misguided attention towards the perceived activities and agendas of certain groups - you’re a real breath of fresh air.

I’m having a lot of fun surfing the waves of energy that are sweeping over this little planet. We’re on a rising tide of consciousness and the real party hasn’t started yet. In fifty or sixty years from now, I believe we’ll hardly recognise ourselves.

One such wave is the teachings of Abraham. I’m particularly impressed by the way Esther and Jerry Hicks are allowing this view from Source to ooze out. I resonate very strongly with their premise that we are creating our own reality and no one else can create for us. It is only our attention to things (wanted or unwanted) that, by the power of our focussed thoughts and the response from Source energy in accordance with the universal law of attraction, draws them into our experience. And we are totally free to choose where we focus our own thoughts.

The vibe I sense from you is a very similar energy, although obviously more focussed in the human condition in this timeline.

I’m looking forward to hearing more from you and catching a ride on your wave.

Have a great day. :yo:

[jcocks]

From Inelia post

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

I am not sure what you mean in the second question. Can you clarify please?

Unless a person reveals themselves publicly that I am working with them, I keep their relationship completely confidential, so can't give any names. However, the mediums are painting, music, writing and photography

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.

You know, have you considered that they may really enjoy helping her cook? Who are you to say they can't help? It would sure beat the hell out of solving everyones' "my lfe is such a mess" issues all the time. They'd consider it R&R. Personally, I'd have to fully channel those spirits and have them work through my body because I can't cook for sh*t :D

[bashi]

Hi Inelia,
I have some questions about your comments made here and on other foren.
I see a stark discrepancy and inconsistency between your statements here and there, and I thought it would be good to mention these.
{mod edit: removed a link to some vitriol posted elsewhere - Dennis}

Here on Avalon you claim that you a bretharian, that you can survive without food and that you are only eating because you like it.
But on you own blog you said :

“At a certain point you will find that all these things are irrelevant. Eating habits, moral habits, toxins, they can all be bypassed. But it takes a very strong spirit. Personally speaking, I am not that strong.”
Link: http://inelia.blogspot.com

Can you please explain that obvious discrepancy within your own words?
For how many days in row have you not eaten anything?


In a previous post you mentioned a kind of body “memory”.
I thought that the body is newly created for the soul to inhabit it. There should not be any “memory”, as it is created absolutely newly. That’s what is commonly known and accepted. The spirit imprints on the new body, not the other way around. Later there is a mutual exchange of influences.
In this light I can not understand your statement here:

“When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and
my death was allegedly suicide but was not.
I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.”
Link: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760 Post 21

How can you carry these memories through into your current existence?
Please comment on that.

In your interview with L. Renee you claim to remember several incidents during your interaction with Lucia Renee, while Lucia clearly says several times that she can not remember anything like that to happen.
This comes along as very strange to me.
Your reply to Lucias comment (of not remembering) was something like:

”The remembering happens on a need to know basis!” .


How is it possible that the other person can not remember something so important?
Who or what has blocked the memory? If so, why? You mentioned it to Lucia, so it was not a matter of secrecy.

In that interview you say that you do a hit and run tactic and then hide behind a false identity. You call it something like “doing the red cardinal”. My understanding is that you are creating a false impression to mislead the person you have attacked, in order to avoid counter-attacks.
Why would that be necessary, as you claim to be protected by - what you call - the “divine mother”?

Further you say, that some “evil” people you would like to be dealt with, are left alone by the “divine mother”, and that you can not understand why.
Is it not also possible that someone else is “doing the divine mother” on you, just the same way as you are “doing the red cardinal”?

Do you remember the old Christian saying:
“The one who lives by the sword will die by the sword?”, which is another description for karmic repercussion.

Can your activities not be described as “living by the sword”?


All the best, ;)

[jcocks]

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner

A fascinating question.

I haven't asked Source for help for a long, long time.

Mostly because I don't want to ask for trivial things, and

I have this weird sense that I don't want to use all my bullets for fun when I may end up in a gun fight later.

As a father I don't want to be the child that wears down the parent with continuous requests for - essentially trivial - things

Does that makes sense?

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Question for Inelia: Does this process work in reverse? Do your spiritual helpers need your help too? Or is this always a one-way deal?

That's a very human way to feel, but we've essentially got "unlimited ammo", so to speak (from my understanding)..... And there's nothing our guides like to do more than to help us - thet's what they signed up for. A few little 'lighter', more 'trivial' tasks are actually a relief for them, since so much of what they deal with is the heavy stuff.....

[Nate]

I haven't asked Source for help for a long, long time.

Mostly because I don't want to ask for trivial things, and

I have this weird sense that I don't want to use all my bullets for fun when I may end up in a gun fight later.

I'm not sure it works that way. The source is infinite, and often you can't help it but to be blessed and divinely entertained by it's presence.

If you're at the point where you are connected to the source, everything will flow in the most efficient way. There will be subtle signs pointing towards the direction you are supposed to take.

The only personal example I can think of is when I wanted to see my favorite music band in Texas in '06. I drove all the way to Austin to see them but the show was canceled due to the lead singer being sick. When they happened to play in Dallas I had no tickets but decided to go downtown anyway in hopes of getting lucky. By the time I parked the opening band was already done and my favorite band had taken the stage. As I was running across the street, a homeless man shouted, "You're one of us!" Intrigued, I headed towards him. He explained how the Dallas police were forbidding him from collecting empty cans around the theater that he wanted to recycle for cash. They let him keep what he had already collected, but it sounded absurd that they would keep him from cleaning up the place due to some strange technicality. I sympathized with him for a few minutes then headed towards the door of the amphitheater. The moment I got to the front doors, a gentleman walked out and asked if I wanted his ticket for $20, less than half of face value. I was sure to see if the ticket was legit by giving it to the clerk first, which see accepted. I handed him $20 which caused the clerk to yell out "You can't do that!" in a very angry face. In an instant she stepped aside to let me in. I'm positive that if I had not followed the subtle signs of the source by interacting with the homeless man, I would have never got to see my favorite band on that day in Dallas.

Point being, the source's well won't ever run dry, so don't be afraid of tapping it when you are in it's presence. I hope I'm not wrong!

[jcocks]

Point being, the source's well won't ever run dry, so don't be afraid of tapping it when you are in it's presence. I hope I'm not wrong!

You're not. This is the way we're supposed to live - eternally connected to the universal spirit and guided by its' prescence. Ask for as much help as you need, as it will always be given, and they will be ecstaric that we're actually listening! So many people get advice from source and don't listen when it is given.....

[Nate]

So many people get advice from source and don't listen when it is given.....

Very true. Or we ask the source for direction but then turn around, leaving our state-of-mind and focusing our eyes and ears towards the physical reality around us, such as raising children. With so many distractions around us, it's hard to lay blame.


Ask for as much help as you need

Agreed.

[David Topí]

So many people get advice from source and don't listen when it is given.....

Very true. Or we ask the source for direction but then turn around, leaving our state-of-mind and focusing our eyes and ears towards the physical reality around us, such as raising children. With so many distractions around us, it's hard to lay blame.


Ask for as much help as you need

Agreed.

Agree also, I ask "source" ALL THE TIME, not just asking, but "conversing", having interaction, even having fun. "Source" for me is at this moment my HS, and it is always available and ready to provide advice, comments, humor and support!

[ace]

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Hi, All:

Here is a most remarkable and inspiring story I would like to share. It leaves me speechless.


"The Dark Side of the White Lady" is a National Film Board of Canada documentary concerning what really happened to Father Miguel (Michael) Woodward and hundreds of other victims at the hands of General Pinochet's goons in Valparaiso Chile, in September of 1973.

A must see.

http://www.nfb.ca/film/dark_side_of_the_white_lady_film/

Ace

[Hervé]

A few words on these different memory lines…

I am gonna draw from a very old Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon; Tradition Occultes des Gitans) which summarizes Man as:

“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.”

That’s the “body-mind-spirit” thing that’s being trashed around.

It’s a trinity constituted of elements which are independent of each other and thrown together to make up a human being. This is represented in the universal “Triskel” with three independently originated spirals joining together to form a central triangle. Later traditions omitted the generating spirals to only keep the central composite triangle.

From there, we end up with three independent memory lines; one genetic, one spiritual and one from the interface. Hence the confusion as to whose memories one is accessing through whichever method.

Here is a quick rundown of the complexity that can be achieved with such combinations:

Genetic/biological line memories: retains its own experiences PLUS the experiences of the mind-interfaces which have influenced its lineage PLUS the memories of the various spirits which have influenced the other two along that same lineage.

Rotate the above scenario for the mind line of memories and the spirit line of memories… you might find that the yarn that has been gone through by a few alley cats is kiddy stuff to unravel…

Hence the $64,000 question:

“Which question’s answer is worth knowing?”

Biologist and geneticists as well as genealogists would go for the genetic line.

Psychology and related fields have gone after the interface line but with a strong leaning on the genetic one.

Religions and philosophies have been distorting the spirit line for eons… George W. Hoover’s “The Biggest Secret.”

[9eagle9]

Flash,

Its not really a moral quandry or waste of somethings time or petty or trivial.

I had mine scouring 24/7 for lost keys, information, clearing traffic, finding parking spots and someone asked me how I could treat my spiritual beings like maids.

When I viewed in that light I thought it was rather rude but I had done this since a child without giving it a thought. So after I started working on it .....

What I have found is that my entourage (after I culled a few sycophantic hangers on) were.. me.

'Spirit guides' were really externalized facets of myself because of my inability to confront Source, I externalized that Source connected part of me and made them into people--spirit guides When I was a small child I didn't have any problems being in with Source, it was only after I started growing into adulthood and the conditioning starts trickling in that you start making judgements on it based on fear and uncertainty.

So of course whatever I was doing was of interest to my 'guides'.... they were me. It doesn't matter if I'm doing something spiritual or mundane. After I was able to do the sort of ego work that allows you to stand in source without fear or guilt , I no longer externalized anything . After that I found no need for the moral quandry or 'guilt' for assistance, because it turns into a wrestling match with yourself. The thing is you are never calling in or asking , because its you, its just there. Always 24/7. So there's no need to wonder if you are imposing or being trivial.

When I was a child I told my mother one day that God was going to get me a pony. She told me, "It is wrong to ask God for things like that. You should ask God to help you to be good."

I told my Mother, "I didn't ask God for a pony, God is just giving me a pony. "

The next day there was a pony in our yard and my mother was furious with me. I'm not sure if its because I made this predictive event and God 'made' good on it that made her angry like God was taking sides. More likely she viewed it as the devil's work. Either way it frightened her. The pony had escaped through a hole in the fence from the neighbors but even I knew that ponies just didn't fall from the sky. It didn't matter to me how it got there. My mother got herself worked up about and I reminded her that 'you shouldn't defy God's will. Aren't you always saying not to defy God's will?"

So even though she had taught me not to use God for trivial things , when Source delivered what may be viewed as trivial it was she that was in defiance of Source via her own conditioning. As a child when the confusion of conditioning hasn't set in, we don't question our spiritual guidance or manifestation we just be in it.

[Flash]

From Inelia post

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

I am not sure what you mean in the second question. Can you clarify please?

Unless a person reveals themselves publicly that I am working with them, I keep their relationship completely confidential, so can't give any names. However, the mediums are painting, music, writing and photography

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.

You know, have you considered that they may really enjoy helping her cook? Who are you to say they can't help? It would sure beat the hell out of solving everyones' "my lfe is such a mess" issues all the time. They'd consider it R&R. Personally, I'd have to fully channel those spirits and have them work through my body because I can't cook for sh*t :D

I was not insulting, not demanding, just not understanding, this went against what I knew, so instead of presuming, I asked, to make my understanding better. This understanding was already politely and nicely addresssed in the post following mine by loveandgratitude, thanks to her.

The way you say "who are you" (which is usually quite rude in English if I am not mistaken) was not necessary at all. I never said they can't help at all, I just said internet seemed less energy spending, and I truly do not have the taste in fact to justify something I wrote that was quite alright in its form and intent,

If one cannot ask a genuine question of his own, on this forum, wiithout being adressed rudely, then yes where is the truth and understanding, meaning here empathy,

We are all coming from different backgrounds, and my question is as genuine and ok as yours could be. No need to insult.

[Bill Ryan]

(a lot of stuff in large font and bold colors :) )



A note that Inelia and I are hosting a seminar today, and she will almost certainly not be able to reply until tomorrow (Sunday, 1 May).

In summary, there's a lot of misunderstanding here.

Some of that lack of understanding is being pushed and promoted deliberately by critics who want to attack those who also oppose the suppression on Planet Earth.

(Why would they do that, by the way?)

Other aspects of that lack of understanding can be forgiven. The metaphysical construct of what we call reality is pretty complex. If it was simple, all human beings would have had it all figured out long before now.

Your questions are easily answered, but this can't be done thoroughly in a few lines. It needs a seminar (like Sepia's on Enlightenment) about


the body intelligence, which itself reincarnates: this is not the being ('you', as a soul) who 'drives' the body. (See Inelia's earlier post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206721#post206721))
the relationship of the body intelligence to the 'driver'.
mirroring of others' time tracks.
the role of entities.

It's also important to understand that Inelia's posts on the ex-Scientologists forum were written specifically to inspire and encourage others to come out, come forward, reclaim their power, and give a message to the Church themselves (who monitor these forums all the time: I was recently threatened by them, for instance, after my Mel Fabregas interview).

Inelia entered the Church on a research mission: to find out all she could (by her own direct experience) about the anatomy of cults, to discover how lightworkers became captured and trapped, to find out about what really happened to Ron Hubbard, and to learn his basic techniques.... before leaving fast.

It was a successful mission - but as in many military missions, she was bruised and wounded in the process. It was a pretty brave thing to do.

Note that Inelia does everything she does without any regard for her own safety. This is not important to her. This is one reason why she posted on that forum under her own name. She's not trying to hide anything here. She was only trying to help others.

If those who are enjoying themselves trying to criticize her showed 1% of her courage, or did 1% of what she has done throughout her life to help others, the world would already be a better place.

[Amer]

Hi Ace, please don't apologize for a poor selection of words that are not from your mothertongue.

Hi Flash- I totally agree with your sentiment !
However if my memory serves me correct Ace is an English man living in France with a perfect command of the English language ;)

[Inelia]

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.

Our entourage can include relatives who have passed on, friends, and, yes, we can call a "committee" to help us with every day tasks. For example, driving somewhere, cooking, events, you name it. It's important to differentiate what type of "advice" or "guidance" we want from each set. I've often heard of musicians calling upon their favourite departed musicians to help them with certain pieces, the same with artists (paint), and writers. If, for example a person is looking for a job, they can call a committee to guide them find their perfect job as well as getting it.

Spiritual guidance is not all about warfare :)

Of course, much care must be taken to be very specific that all guidance, and company, come from light beings.

This will be my last post today, cos I need to get going for the event. Hugs :)

[Yoda]

(a lot of stuff in large font and bold colors :) )



A note that Inelia and I are hosting a seminar today, and she will almost certainly not be able to reply until tomorrow (Sunday, 1 May).

It was a successful mission - but as in many military missions, she was bruised and wounded in the process. It was a pretty brave thing to do.

Note that Inelia does everything she does without any regard for her own safety. This is not important to her. This is one reason why she posted on that forum under her own name. She's not trying to hide anything here. She was only trying to help others.

If those who are enjoying themselves trying to criticize her showed 1% of her courage, or did 1% of what she has done throughout her life to help others, the world would already be a better place.

May the Source be with you(both)
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Amer]

If those who are enjoying themselves trying to criticize her showed 1% of her courage, or did 1% of what she has done throughout her life to help others, the world would already be a better place.

Bill I think you really have to give people room to question all of this, especially after the Charles material. You presented him to the community with an enthusiasm that was not of small proportion, giving him a credibility in equal measure. I personally never warmed to him or his story. Now you are presenting Inelia in the same way- yet what I remember is that Charles spoke very disparagingly of her- not that this means something for me- but if you believe in both of these people and one is clearly antagonistic towards the other- this leaves me with a question mark.

And perhaps not only for me but for others aswell and hence the need to question, and perhaps question strongly as this is a just thing to do in the face of all the charlatans that present themselves every day to prey on the vulnerable.

If Inelia is as you believe she is, she is more than well capable of presenting herself honestly and defending her credibility. When people present themselves either as those who walk around with 5000 year old men at their side or coming from a 10th dimension we need to question. And thank the stars that we question- also provocatively – because otherwise how do we ourselves learn and secondly how do we expose those that truly need to be exposed?
I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

[Bill Ryan]

If those who are enjoying themselves trying to criticize her showed 1% of her courage, or did 1% of what she has done throughout her life to help others, the world would already be a better place. Bill I think you really have to give people room to question all of this, especially after the Charles material. You presented him to the community with an enthusiasm that was not of small proportion, giving him a credibility in equal measure. I personally never warmed to him or his story. Now you are presenting Inelia in the same way- yet what I remember is that Charles spoke very disparagingly of her- not that this means something for me- but if you believe in both of these people and one is clearly antagonistic towards the other- this leaves me with a question mark.

And perhaps not only for me but for others aswell and hence the need to question, and perhaps question strongly as this is a just thing to do in the face of all the charlatans that present themselves every day to prey on the vulnerable.

If Inelia is as you believe she is, she is more than well capable of presenting herself honestly and defending her credibility. When people present themselves either as those who walk around with 5000 year old men at their side or coming from a 10th dimension we need to question. And thank the stars that we question- also provocatively – because otherwise how do we ourselves learn and secondly how do we expose those that truly need to be exposed?

I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.

I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

Just off out of the door of the hotel (for breakfast at a diner - I'll ask them to give it to me for free, okay? But that might not work!!)

A brief reply: I presented all Charles' material as it was given to me to release. He never pushed or encouraged me to release anything at all. His joining the forum was solely my own idea. I think that many people benefited from that initiative. I believe that much of his information was valid, and have never changed my tune.

As slvrfx wrote a while back [paraphrase]: if I'd had this experience, kept it to myself and never reported it to anyone, what kind of whistleblower journalist would I be? :)

I have not heard from Charles from over 6 weeks. This is why I have nothing new to say. I believe he is setting up his own site (which he and I always agreed on) - but this is all I know. Regarding the '18', I know almost nothing at all and was never in that loop. All this (what I summarize in this paragraph) is already reported elsewhere on the forum.

Re questions for Inelia, all questions are welcome. She's answering them well. :) It's the intention behind some of the questions (not necessarily on this thread) which is not very clean.

[Jake]

if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given. [/SIZE][/FONT]
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

Amer, a quick note. A very insightful discussion on the merits of Charging money for spiritual information/knowledge has been underway here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings/page4

There are definitely differing viewpoints on this issue. Please feel free to check out this discussion, if you haven't already. Lots of good points being made.
Best regards, Jake.

[DevilPigeon]

If those who are enjoying themselves trying to criticize her showed 1% of her courage, or did 1% of what she has done throughout her life to help others, the world would already be a better place.

Bill I think you really have to give people room to question all of this, especially after the Charles material. You presented him to the community with an enthusiasm that was not of small proportion, giving him a credibility in equal measure. I personally never warmed to him or his story. Now you are presenting Inelia in the same way- yet what I remember is that Charles spoke very disparagingly of her- not that this means something for me- but if you believe in both of these people and one is clearly antagonistic towards the other- this leaves me with a question mark.

And perhaps not only for me but for others aswell and hence the need to question, and perhaps question strongly as this is a just thing to do in the face of all the charlatans that present themselves every day to prey on the vulnerable.

If Inelia is as you believe she is, she is more than well capable of presenting herself honestly and defending her credibility. When people present themselves either as those who walk around with 5000 year old men at their side or coming from a 10th dimension we need to question. And thank the stars that we question- also provocatively – because otherwise how do we ourselves learn and secondly how do we expose those that truly need to be exposed?
I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

I agree, the need to question is a fundamental right of anyone that seeks clarification. Just because someone says they're something doesn't necessarily make it so.

I've noticed something more deep-seated recently though, and it doesn't necessarily relate specifically to this thread.... I'm seeing the same people enter/leave a thread pretty much at the same time, and the same people thanking a poster very consistently rather than an individual post. Just an observation.

[Andrew]

Is there negative dimensions?

[manny]

this young man resonates strongly with me.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19283-INDIGO-MATIAS-De-STEFANO-Comes-to-the-UK-13-19-May
what are your thoughts on his advice and experience.

[9eagle9]

Two sides of the coin, for Ace.

There's the side of the coin that I maintain: which is I'm seldom questioned because I can dependably validate--prove-- where I'm coming from or what I represent. If I say I can deliver this I deliver that. With the knowing of " if I say I can deliver something and I can't then its me that suffers. " I can either prove it or I can't. Once its proven there 's no need for questioning.

I don't willingly put myself in a place of suffering or public humiliation....lol.

Side two: Spiritual teachers, healers, what have you, understand that the person they are going to process with is only being facilitated by the healer. The core work is done by the recipient and people have to be educated on how a healing process works. Questions of course are part of any education. So questioning of course is valuable. And necessary.

On the issue of money exchange, I'm not sure why spiritual healers just don't say it. We aren't working with the spirit. Spirit and divinity is effortless. I can't package up that which exists in every atom around me and, hand it to a person and say "Here you go that will be hundred dollars please." Yes it would be wrong for me to take what your SELF is telling me and then charge you for it. I'd prefer that you be able to hear your self or source .

But at any time a person can make the choice of not depending on someone else and choose to stand in their own source.

And that is what a spiritual teacher teaches..

A spiritual teacher teaches one how to access their own Source. To know how to know it for what iti is. That means we work with what is cutting off the access. The spirit or divinity isn't play and hide and seek.

It's The EGO. The MIND. We challenge, flex, bend, in various means to facilitate a process to get the recipient's ego soft enough so they can begin to have a shift in perception. They very much have to participate in the process. Divinity may have led me to work with others but all minds and egos basically function the same. So is that truly Divine knowledge I'm working in? If everyone has an ego and they pretty much operate the same save for the details, is that divine knowledge or common knowledge?

No. As soon as divinity and spirit is expressed in another person I'm working with, the work stops. Accomplishment.They don't need me anymore. And working with the ego is very much of this physical world. The spirit doesn't acknowledge ego. To tell you the truth in reality there is not enough cashola in the world to compensate a person for working in the ego process. Its ugly, insane, vapid, cunning, hurtful, abusive. And that is what the ego insinuates because it is the most clever animal in the world: To pay for divinity is wrong. The EGO knows one isn't paying for divinity, it KNOWS that the person is paying someone else to help learn how to kick its @SS.

Because spiritual healers aren't working the spirit, we are working down the ego so people can access their own divinity. So the ego of course is going to find something ugly to say about spiritual healers. To protect itself. It is THAT insidious. Most of the population can't know how insidious and clever a fox their own ego is.

I'm talking about REAL spiritual healers that effect real transformations in people not ding dongy shills and things of that nature. I have no idea what they're doing...lol.

When I receive funds for working with people its always because I'm engaged in some sort of ego work. ALWAYS. Anything that is divinely inspired occurs spontaneously and ego work is applied in method, foreknowledge and having a game plan. Yes I have my own spiritual guidance when I'm doing so but spirit always tells me to trust my own personal wisdom as well.

I noticed this: When I do hypnosis work with people they don't mind paying me.

When I do brain entrainment with people they don't mind my fee.

That word 'spiritual' works in there and it will because I am for all intents and purposes a spiritual counselor. Really though I guess I'm an ego bender which doesn't sound so appealing. Say the word spiritual and all of the sudden there's all these ego beliefs and conditioning popping up. The egos means of defending itself from those who would attempt to soften it.

So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

[jcocks]

From Inelia post

The entourage are those beings who surround the person, provide protection, guidance and whatever else is needed. I once called upon a couple of really good cooks (from the "spiritual realm") to help me with a Christmas dinner. They whispered instructions to me throughout the entire procedure, and the result was outstanding.

I am not sure what you mean in the second question. Can you clarify please?

Unless a person reveals themselves publicly that I am working with them, I keep their relationship completely confidential, so can't give any names. However, the mediums are painting, music, writing and photography

This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.

You know, have you considered that they may really enjoy helping her cook? Who are you to say they can't help? It would sure beat the hell out of solving everyones' "my lfe is such a mess" issues all the time. They'd consider it R&R. Personally, I'd have to fully channel those spirits and have them work through my body because I can't cook for sh*t :D

I was not insulting, not demanding, just not understanding, this went against what I knew, so instead of presuming, I asked, to make my understanding better. This understanding was already politely and nicely addresssed in the post following mine by loveandgratitude, thanks to her.

The way you say "who are you" (which is usually quite rude in English if I am not mistaken) was not necessary at all. I never said they can't help at all, I just said internet seemed less energy spending, and I truly do not have the taste in fact to justify something I wrote that was quite alright in its form and intent,

If one cannot ask a genuine question of his own, on this forum, wiithout being adressed rudely, then yes where is the truth and understanding, meaning here empathy,

We are all coming from different backgrounds, and my question is as genuine and ok as yours could be. No need to insult.

Ok I'm sorry, it did come across as a bit insulting, but that was far from my intention..... I didn't mean to be rude to you, I was just writing what came through to me to write...

[Gajanana]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

[jcocks]

I've noticed something more deep-seated recently though, and it doesn't necessarily relate specifically to this thread.... I'm seeing the same people enter/leave a thread pretty much at the same time, and the same people thanking a poster very consistently rather than an individual post. Just an observation.

I've noticed that too. It's like the exact opposite to shooting the messenger :) Some people do seem to be thanking the posters rather than thanking the message, which sort of makes the whole message thanking thing pointless. (Though thankfully I don't use the number of thanks a messsage has had aas a measure of the quality of the message, or I would be in trouble! :) )

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This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.


Know thy enemy?

Knowing how your enemy works is the best way to figure out how to fight it...

[manny]

I've noticed something more deep-seated recently though, and it doesn't necessarily relate specifically to this thread.... I'm seeing the same people enter/leave a thread pretty much at the same time, and the same people thanking a poster very consistently rather than an individual post. Just an observation.

I've noticed that too. It's like the exact opposite to shooting the messenger :) Some people do seem to be thanking the posters rather than thanking the message, which sort of makes the whole message thanking thing pointless. (Though thankfully I don't use the number of thanks a messsage has had aas a measure of the quality of the message, or I would be in trouble! :) )

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This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

Know thy enemy?

Knowing how your enemy works is the best way to figure out how to fight it...
then ask mods to remove the thanks button.
simples

[jcocks]

So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

Absolutely not! You have to live, and it's only fair that you are compenated for your work. My problem with a lot of so-called "spiritual" workers is that they charge almost insane amounts for their services, and it prices me right out of having something done for me that I would very much like done. It's very dissappointing, I'm a man of limited fnancial capacity. It'd be nice to have a list of people who can work with people over the internet for a small donation rather than all these people asking for $$$...

The ego is a very strong, resistave animal, and it would wear someone down immensely to have to work with them all day, day in and day out. You'd almost have to have your spiritual enterouge (sp?) around full-time to keep replenishing your energy so you can keep it up!

[Amer]

Jcocks and Manny you are attributing posts to me that I didn't write - that quote with my name wrapped around it is from Devilpigeon!!! Amend yourselves please !!!:whip:

[jcocks]

oops sorry.... didn't realise. I'll fix it :)

[Amer]

A brief reply: I presented all Charles' material as it was given to me to release. He never pushed or encouraged me to release anything at all. His joining the forum was solely my own idea. I think that many people benefited from that initiative. I believe that much of his information was valid, and have never changed my tune.



I know you were running out the door Bill and so didn’t perhaps grasp exactly what I was saying - my post to you wasn’t in search of information about Charles- I have no interest in him at all. I would appreciate it really if you could give it a look and respond to what I was actually saying. I can assure you there is no devious intention behind it. As a journalist you’re in the business of asking questions- there is nothing less impure about mine – honest.

Just off out of the door of the hotel (for breakfast at a diner - I'll ask them to give it to me for free, okay? But that might not work!!)




I’d ask you this – if the person who was serving you your food told you that it had just been prepared and handed to him by the great divine to be given to you in love and for your betterment - and then proceeded to ask you for $30 ---- you wouldn’t raise an eyebrow? Really?

The philosophy in this video I believe can be applied to many things/talents that people have to give to others.
I54MhY9M-SQ

[Amer]

Amer, a quick note. A very insightful discussion on the merits of Charging money for spiritual information/knowledge has been underway here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eachings/page4

There are definitely differing viewpoints on this issue. Please feel free to check out this discussion, if you haven't already. Lots of good points being made.
Best regards, Jake.

Thanks a million Jake, this a constructive answer I can work with - I'll definitelt check it out.

[777]

First of all thanks to all for this thread so far, really looking forward to the interview!

I have a few questions if I may?

I see the universe and all therein as a very hostile place where the microscopic and huge (macro) all act under just one premise: "Devour to survive". There has been an undertone with relation to food, that one should eat as "purely" (energetically speaking) as possible to further fortify ones-Self to the best of your ability with the resources available. I wonder how we should judge ourselves (to self justify our actions) when compared to the lion who eats the deer. The lion has to eat the deer to survive and the deer (on just this one premise) has to avoid the lion to survive. I don't see how we are different, whether this be meat or vegetables and fruits.......we are subject to the same system, as is space and every single energetic reaction down to the internals of an atom. One survives and one lives and all are programmed to try. Whilst I don't enjoy the unthinking, cold, processed murder of living organisms to enable us to survive (including vegetables), everything we experience tells us the same story does it not? And everything within the All we experience is subject to this yet seemingly free of the judgement we place on ourselves for succumbing. I wonder the opportunity cost of multitudes of sperm cells in every ejaculation and how far we take that?

In a flower bed, one flower will be stronger, even to the extent where the opportunity cost for other flowers is death. Then the fertile soil from this bed will be beneficial to the next species or not, depending upon pre-disposition and conditions. I wonder how we spiritually renumerate this.......and if we can, can we renumerate the opportunity cost of our own species on a larger scale as we macroscopically seek survival of our own? Do we not proverbially "excrete" on others to live? This seems the way from top to bottom and I don't like it (yet see the beauty!)

I firmly believe we are instruments (willing if aware) of the greater forces moving through us (VERY happy to remove my belief), it's just how and with what intention we channel them....... but the effect is homogenous from the top to the bottom. Kill to survive. You can't have too many carrots in a bed or they will die........as we can percieve from a future with too many humans. It's about increasing the quality of a single carrot and concurrently providing the correct quantity for the recipient/farmer.

So....... (sorry for the elongated preface), even with the choice of freewill to create our own timeline and circumstance, why should we? We are subject to far greater.

(Disclaimer: I'm happy and at one with how things are, it's just the "way it is" and one has to carry on in the best way possible, changing what has meaning. BUT, I'd love your insights!!!!)

[sunnyrap]

Did you happen to catch the story on the 'net (and showed up on this forum as well) about the guru who was a sun-gazer? He derived all of his physical energy from the sun and allegedly gave up eating (killing to survive) entirely; has for years. I've been trying to sun-gaze (you are supposed to start off with just a few minutes a day at sunrise and sunset--the only safe times to sun-gaze) and work your way up. I seem to require less calories to maintain my weight than most people. Anyway, I wonder if you were able to accomplish this for a while if it would allow you to change to a non-violent dimension. Worth investigating, I think...

[Chelle]

Some individuals will feel that a person is being used and manipulated by the darkside by that being from the darkside masquerading as a light being. And this is when one of the rules of life comes in. We can ask the person/being, if their intentions are benevolent and of the "light", at this point, even if they try to lie, the truth will be revealed.

Hi Inelia,
When you say the truth will be revealed. How do you see this truth for example in words, pictures or a knowing etc. I hope this makes sense as I have found this question hard to put into words.

Kind regards
Chelle:cool:

[sunnyrap]

BTW--there was a Meg Ryan-Nicolas Cage movie (City of Angels (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0120632%2F&rct=j&q=City%20of%20Angels&ei=AWC8TdbJNsKftwf4npXUBQ&usg=AFQjCNEp7PHHnnqfCaxYzwAqeGiKsomAUQ&cad=rja)?) In which 'angels' were depicted as stopping and standing still at sunrise and sunset to gaze at the sun. No explaination was given, but....

[perfectresonance]

Agree also, I ask "source" ALL THE TIME, not just asking, but "conversing", having interaction, even having fun. "Source" for me is at this moment my HS, and it is always available and ready to provide advice, comments, humor and support!

Where I feel the help is when I am calm, relaxed and "open", I somehow magically think of things at the right time.

It happened a few minutes ago where I had totally forgotten about something, but I was made to pick up this piece of paper on my (very cluttered) desk and it had something on it I needed for a job I am starting 10 minutes later. Even looking at it, I'm like, "What's this for? Is it for the next job?" --- I couldn't remember even then.

No idea what made me pick up that piece of paper...

...apart from the fact that's the way these things come to me. I just get an idea, just at the right time.

And I do very much feel this is how I'm being helped. I recognise it when it happens.

But other people, like you, seem to have a full-blown two-way normal conversation going on.

It's like you're on a smart phone and I manage to spot the odd smoke signal by accident :)

This is quite the metaphor for most spiritual things that are discussed and experienced by my friends here and elsewhere.

I observe them having the experience, but I seem to lack knowledge, skill or basic kit to experience any of it myself.

That said, I have sufficient proof of a Guiding Hand in my life for me to Know that it isn't my imagination.

Perhaps I haven't put enough intent into wanting to open up this conversation? Could that be it?

[Tangri]

Flash you wrote
This Christmas dinner instructions being wispered to you from another realm does not make sense to me Inelia. Why such energy would be spent into asking for cooking/dinner instructions when it is so easy to access the internet for it? Why would high beings from another realm be interested in what you cook for dinner (unless your are receiving the Rothchilds and puttiing something special in the food lol)? Unless they are from a lower realm, not higher.

You gave us very nice representation of what it is to be a judgment less spiritual figthter, but this one I truly don't catch. Help here please.
What Inelia try to say( I guess) with respect of her own version .
You can easily and unconditionally access to spiritual realm if you want, Think! it is as a your own high speed access library .

Love and Peace

[perfectresonance]

I've noticed something more deep-seated recently though, and it doesn't necessarily relate specifically to this thread.... I'm seeing the same people enter/leave a thread pretty much at the same time, and the same people thanking a poster very consistently rather than an individual post. Just an observation.

Just because the ring leader has been marginalised doesn't mean the henchmen aren't still here trying to continue the work.

Frankly, their overt attempts at sabotage were amateurish and crude.

Of course, they have learned from this and are now trying to be more subtle.

Good on you for noticing.

There are still people here that have an agenda that does not involve any Integrity.

Finally - some people here, especially after Charles - feel they need to protect Bill and/or Avalon from more 'strain'.

Just because it appears that Inelia's feet are being put to the fire, doesn't mean the intent isn't coming from the right place.

It is a bit like checking out your young daughter's date... what are his intentions? (In this case, Bill's the young daughter... I crack myself up... ;))

As Bill well knows, I do not warm to his recommendations just because he says so.

But then he normally has a lot more information than we are playing with.

Inelia, whatever your current view, appears to be a very strong, open and interesting person with a fascinating story.

Nobody has to join an Inelia Cult to ask a question of her.

There is no need to be hostile. Questions can be asked with respect.

[K626]

Let's take a step back from all this jazz.

The things that I like about Inelia and Charles is that they are both very candid about their mistakes, shortcomings and failings...Especially Charlie. He set out his stall in a very clear way and responded to us and Bill with candour and had no problem in revealing his lack of education and so on...He has a challenging yet very enderaing backstory and Bill was actually the right guy at the right time to get it down.

I personally don't give two hoots what dimension Inelia's presence is organised on (it's only a starting point and it is fairly meaningless to most). If she says that is her realm or starting point of entry into our reality...What difference does it make to her words, ideas or philosophy? None. Cause none of us can ever know what that really means and it gives her no advantages (apart from a unique purview)...To me it is immeterial. It isn't a pedestal of any kind.

Nobody is able to buy ascension or be coached in ascension or find shortcuts to it. They can however engage with like minded souls or older souls and become better people, better givers, better listeners (and there are many of them on here such as Sepia, NancyV, Yaksuit, Greybeard and so on...)..Is it flaky that Inelia charges for her discs (a fairly low price I may add - some creative writing courses I've been on charge £400 a day). To my mind not really. It is a revenue stream that keeps her web presence afloat and perhaps pays a few bills. Again that is no biggie.

I am one of the lucky few to whom information comes freely and regularly. My focus of interest immediatly pays dividends, I am synchronous, I just had to let myself believe it. That is the case also with many others on here, I see it everyday in posts, links and afterthoughts...If anything some of you guys are holding yourselves back...Let go and jump into the universal pool, you are all here because the field has brought you here. Believe it.

I like Inelia probably from a totally different angle to others on here, I feel what she 'lets go'. I see her miasma as she tries and clear it, I hear her echo and the lifeforce as it reveals. The weaker and less convincing aspects of the story or flow the more I feel the real heart. The oneness. The hope. Her desire to communicate. This isn't a science, all storytellers and revealers are different and the story may be tangled (life is intertwined with contradictions and compexities)...The art is to listen to the story, the way it is told and the way it will change.

Let it happen. Let the energy be still. Outside of time.


Peace

K

[Flash]

Flash,

What I have found is that my entourage (after I culled a few sycophantic hangers on) were.. me.

'Spirit guides' were really externalized facets of myself because of my inability to confront Source, I externalized that Source connected part of me and made them into people--spirit guides When I was a small child I didn't have any problems being in with Source, it was only after I started growing into adulthood and the conditioning starts trickling in that you start making judgements on it based on fear and uncertainty.

So of course whatever I was doing was of interest to my 'guides'.... they were me. ....

As a child when the confusion of conditioning hasn't set in, we don't question our spiritual guidance or manifestation we just be in it.

Many many thanks 9eagle9 for this answer. This is exactly the way I was feeling/thinking. Often when we demand help for our dinner, it is in fact us responding, our own spiritual being or creative but ignored side of us. This is why Inelia's comments did not make sense to me at first.

However, she responded by saying that there is all kind of spiritual help and relationships, from deceased relatives for example and a whole row of spirit beings may be glad to help, just to be careful in discernment to make sure they are from the light (or something similar).

I must say I resonated with this answer of hers as well, for one simple reason, not thought of at first: this happened to me with my deceased dad. Nothing worths more than experiencing it. He spoke to me (in spirit) and through his presence I was filled with love, I mean every cell in my body dipped in a bath of love after I saw him. Incredible experience. Absolutely transformative. And I had few other similar experiences.

For daily activities, I usually use the car and the software, no need for spiritual help. In case of emergency, they are usually there. My own spirit as well.

When I am in presence of people in need or where I can help start a transformation, I usually center myself around the heart and do ask the Source/Universe which I am of, to be with me or through me (this is almost daily for me because of my work). Source may go through helpers or guides of mine, but at the time I am not aware of it, of the process. My intellect will serve the heart, in most circumstances - I have been reletlessly trying to educate my intellect (ego) to serve the heart - except for daily chores, there I don't need, car and software are enough.

To me, one has to be quite careful because lots of spirits/beings, when it is not in fact ourself speaking to ourself - which is most of the time the case in my opinion - when those spirits/beings are not ourself, they are often not of the highest realm (meaning they are of lower realms). I prefer not to call on for trivial things, not to have trivial beings hanging around.. One belief of mnine and I am opened to being wrong about this.

[9eagle9]

Spiritual workers who HAVE to charge insane amount of money haven't got the spiritual manifestation thing down ...lol. So I raise a brow about just how spiritually they are operating. If they have huge material costs that's one thing but thats material. There's one thing about not undervaluing yourself but another in being impractical. High dollar amounts for some reason seems to equate talent in our skewed vision of the world.

I make a even better living when I shifted everything around. Source directs the people to me who need me. So when i'm done working and they ask how much do they owe me , I say ask how much they want to pay me. . And they pay me what they want to pay me. This is a very interesting lesson in learning one's value (a very HARD lesson) because you typically get way more than what you expect. This not the same as asking for a donation. There's a definite shift in energy when you do things that way.

But for other things theres a flat rate and I always accommodate people who can't pay because if you got the spirit thing down right you know spirit is supporting you (not the people) and it will be made up some other way, usually in spades.

I noted this in the other thread. I make it clear to to my wealthier clients that they are helping me support people who can't support themselves let alone offer me support. I don't charge them more but they usually give me more because most think that's fair and the feel as they are contributing to the welfare of others and they are. These are people who are 'getting it'. So they feel good about it. Some no matter how cashy, get jobby about it and insist I don't have the right to make that call.

Sure I do. I'm not holding a gun to their head or being unfair. Or MAKING them be good. They have choices . They're welcome to go elsewhere and operate under a more conventional agreement.






So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

Absolutely not! You have to live, and it's only fair that you are compenated for your work. My problem with a lot of so-called "spiritual" workers is that they charge almost insane amounts for their services, and it prices me right out of having something done for me that I would very much like done. It's very dissappointing, I'm a man of limited fnancial capacity. It'd be nice to have a list of people who can work with people over the internet for a small donation rather than all these people asking for $$$...

The ego is a very strong, resistave animal, and it would wear someone down immensely to have to work with them all day, day in and day out. You'd almost have to have your spiritual enterouge (sp?) around full-time to keep replenishing your energy so you can keep it up!

[perfectresonance]

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[Ilie Pandia]

I have read somewhere that there are two types of questions:

1. Questions meant to strengthen your ego, to show off your intellect ("Look at me what smart questions I am asking! Let's see how s/he will tackle this one!"). One always comes with a prepared answers to that question and no learning is happening. It's just intellect battle.

2. Questions asked from a place of not knowing, of sincere misunderstanding, of humility. With this kind of questions one does not have a prepared answer and s/he listens openly for a response. S/he does not care how his/her intellect is perceived. S/he does not try to "lock" the person that is being asked with a "trick question". In this case true communication and learning can take place.

Please bear this in mind when posting questions.

And now :focus:

[sheddie]

Two sides of the coin, for Ace.

There's the side of the coin that I maintain: which is I'm seldom questioned because I can dependably validate--prove-- where I'm coming from or what I represent. If I say I can deliver this I deliver that. With the knowing of " if I say I can deliver something and I can't then its me that suffers. " I can either prove it or I can't. Once its proven there 's no need for questioning.

I don't willingly put myself in a place of suffering or public humiliation....lol.

Side two: Spiritual teachers, healers, what have you, understand that the person they are going to process with is only being facilitated by the healer. The core work is done by the recipient and people have to be educated on how a healing process works. Questions of course are part of any education. So questioning of course is valuable. And necessary.

On the issue of money exchange, I'm not sure why spiritual healers just don't say it. We aren't working with the spirit. Spirit and divinity is effortless. I can't package up that which exists in every atom around me and, hand it to a person and say "Here you go that will be hundred dollars please." Yes it would be wrong for me to take what your SELF is telling me and then charge you for it. I'd prefer that you be able to hear your self or source .

But at any time a person can make the choice of not depending on someone else and choose to stand in their own source.

And that is what a spiritual teacher teaches..

A spiritual teacher teaches one how to access their own Source. To know how to know it for what iti is. That means we work with what is cutting off the access. The spirit or divinity isn't play and hide and seek.

It's The EGO. The MIND. We challenge, flex, bend, in various means to facilitate a process to get the recipient's ego soft enough so they can begin to have a shift in perception. They very much have to participate in the process. Divinity may have led me to work with others but all minds and egos basically function the same. So is that truly Divine knowledge I'm working in? If everyone has an ego and they pretty much operate the same save for the details, is that divine knowledge or common knowledge?

No. As soon as divinity and spirit is expressed in another person I'm working with, the work stops. Accomplishment.They don't need me anymore. And working with the ego is very much of this physical world. The spirit doesn't acknowledge ego. To tell you the truth in reality there is not enough cashola in the world to compensate a person for working in the ego process. Its ugly, insane, vapid, cunning, hurtful, abusive. And that is what the ego insinuates because it is the most clever animal in the world: To pay for divinity is wrong. The EGO knows one isn't paying for divinity, it KNOWS that the person is paying someone else to help learn how to kick its @SS.

Because spiritual healers aren't working the spirit, we are working down the ego so people can access their own divinity. So the ego of course is going to find something ugly to say about spiritual healers. To protect itself. It is THAT insidious. Most of the population can't know how insidious and clever a fox their own ego is.

I'm talking about REAL spiritual healers that effect real transformations in people not ding dongy shills and things of that nature. I have no idea what they're doing...lol.

When I receive funds for working with people its always because I'm engaged in some sort of ego work. ALWAYS. Anything that is divinely inspired occurs spontaneously and ego work is applied in method, foreknowledge and having a game plan. Yes I have my own spiritual guidance when I'm doing so but spirit always tells me to trust my own personal wisdom as well.

I noticed this: When I do hypnosis work with people they don't mind paying me.

When I do brain entrainment with people they don't mind my fee.

That word 'spiritual' works in there and it will because I am for all intents and purposes a spiritual counselor. Really though I guess I'm an ego bender which doesn't sound so appealing. Say the word spiritual and all of the sudden there's all these ego beliefs and conditioning popping up. The egos means of defending itself from those who would attempt to soften it.

So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

What a fantastic explanation 9eagle9 :hail:

Thank you, that was one of the best explanations I have read, it has helped me no end to clarify what I know and feel but struggle to put into words. I struggle to explain what it is I do as a spiritual teacher and all that goes with it, especially to those that find all things spiritual a heap of toss :p - I had almost given up trying but maybe now I can give a more intelligent reply and stand up for myself, if and when I need to.

You are very wise my friend and I look forward to reading your posts, I just know you are speaking from true wisdom and experience - that resonates very strongly with me

Keep up the good work, I value your posts especially this one and will be quoting/para phrasing you in the future I am sure.....hope you don't mind :)

This is what I joined Avalon for.......to meet wonderful, wise and generous people and to share insights and to help people and myself to grow. It's such a shame that things have changed but then change is what we need to grow so it is all good and I am sure that it will all work out for the best eventually.

No one said it was going to be easy ;)

much love x

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you to Bill and Inelia for a wonderful, heartfelt seminar today. My daughter and I are still processing all of the information you so honestly shared (for those people worried about the ethics "charging for spiritual information", we weren't asked to pay a thing, due to the amazing generosity of others :) Our only recommendation is that you might extend future seminars to two days, since trying to absorb so much, so quickly, is a bit of a challenge. I can't wait to practice and apply some of the new concepts that were discussed, and will keep you posted as to the results. There was much information shared and I am filled with gratitude. Namaste.

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Oops! Meant to post to the "Sacramento" thread - will head over that way......

[9eagle9]

This portion of the universe , this earth is apparently a very hostile place. We kill to live. But that opposes the concept that the physical isn't very imporant. On one hand murder or killing is a moral prohibition as some concepts state . On the other hand if this world is so hostile and horrible as other concepts imply , if I shot you dead, I would send you on to a better place, free you from a hostile world. I'm doing you a favor! Everyone wants to return to spirit so I just sent you there. Then again I crossed your free will and then again ..ad nauseum.

Another concept is that we chose to come here for whatever reason, so we must have known in advance what the conditions of this world were like and agreed to them. Did we agree to change them? Which opposes a non interfering sort of premise, another concept. And do animals prey and predator make agreements? Do animals know their role in life or is it just something they don't reflect on and accept.


The value of changing something that previously existed one way and then another's will was imposed on it is...Horses.

When I was a child horses were a trusted companion. They knew what they were doing. They were patient, gentle and careful. They used good judgement. Peppery maybe they behaved like horses.

I got out of the whole equestrian world for perhaps 15 years and when I returned horses didn't behave like horses. They were in horse condos, not allowed to go outside, they were sick, colic y, they bit, they kicked, they freaked out, you had to be careful around them, they didn't know how to behave, they were crazy-- climbing trees, rolling on you , and doing things that horses don't do even with each other. Freak accidents abound and every moment held danger.

When I was 3-4 years old I'd stand under a horses tail sucking my thumb and dozing against its flank for hours at a time with no harm (save for having a deposit land on my head) and then suddenly....I have to tip toe around them. They are unpredictable and scary.

Horses didn't change. We changed them. We expected them to act like something they weren't. Civilized beings who stand in a stall all day until called upon to go out and win a ribbbon.

I keep my horse in a barn where the horses are allowed to be horses. They only come in when the weather is severe. They play nicely with each other. No freak accidents. They don't kick, bite, or go crazy. They are sweet and mindful of everyone the way a gentled HORSE should be. When I ask them to do something they do it, even the 'wild' newly gentled ones.


now how does that apply to ourselves?

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,
hope you guys had a great seminar! Today while asleep another question came to mind trying to understand the workings of the upper realms where you come from.

Have you had assignments in any other systems, realities, dimensions, etc where you go, do your work as instructed, then move to a different place?
Or is it the opposite?, like you see there is help needed in a certain place/system/dimension and then you go there to give a hand? (by you, I am trying to mean all the beings that are here to help us now).

I guess what I am to understand are the great "game rules", meaning, the "game creators" (and I guess that in each galaxy/system there is a different game) are overseeing what is going on and they send some help when things go too much out of balance, or in fact, there is a full free will up to several "dimensions" and any being can jump in and try to do its best to help in the situations they see (for instance, now here on Earth).

Sorry if this is too "abstract", but this question can only be answered by someone who is not "from here" so I took the chance hoping you can share some light here.
thanks!

[Alexandrian]

Two sides of the coin, for Ace.

There's the side of the coin that I maintain: which is I'm seldom questioned because I can dependably validate--prove-- where I'm coming from or what I represent. If I say I can deliver this I deliver that. With the knowing of " if I say I can deliver something and I can't then its me that suffers. " I can either prove it or I can't. Once its proven there 's no need for questioning.

I don't willingly put myself in a place of suffering or public humiliation....lol.

Side two: Spiritual teachers, healers, what have you, understand that the person they are going to process with is only being facilitated by the healer. The core work is done by the recipient and people have to be educated on how a healing process works. Questions of course are part of any education. So questioning of course is valuable. And necessary.

On the issue of money exchange, I'm not sure why spiritual healers just don't say it. We aren't working with the spirit. Spirit and divinity is effortless. I can't package up that which exists in every atom around me and, hand it to a person and say "Here you go that will be hundred dollars please." Yes it would be wrong for me to take what your SELF is telling me and then charge you for it. I'd prefer that you be able to hear your self or source .

But at any time a person can make the choice of not depending on someone else and choose to stand in their own source.

And that is what a spiritual teacher teaches..

A spiritual teacher teaches one how to access their own Source. To know how to know it for what iti is. That means we work with what is cutting off the access. The spirit or divinity isn't play and hide and seek.

It's The EGO. The MIND. We challenge, flex, bend, in various means to facilitate a process to get the recipient's ego soft enough so they can begin to have a shift in perception. They very much have to participate in the process. Divinity may have led me to work with others but all minds and egos basically function the same. So is that truly Divine knowledge I'm working in? If everyone has an ego and they pretty much operate the same save for the details, is that divine knowledge or common knowledge?

No. As soon as divinity and spirit is expressed in another person I'm working with, the work stops. Accomplishment.They don't need me anymore. And working with the ego is very much of this physical world. The spirit doesn't acknowledge ego. To tell you the truth in reality there is not enough cashola in the world to compensate a person for working in the ego process. Its ugly, insane, vapid, cunning, hurtful, abusive. And that is what the ego insinuates because it is the most clever animal in the world: To pay for divinity is wrong. The EGO knows one isn't paying for divinity, it KNOWS that the person is paying someone else to help learn how to kick its @SS.

Because spiritual healers aren't working the spirit, we are working down the ego so people can access their own divinity. So the ego of course is going to find something ugly to say about spiritual healers. To protect itself. It is THAT insidious. Most of the population can't know how insidious and clever a fox their own ego is.

I'm talking about REAL spiritual healers that effect real transformations in people not ding dongy shills and things of that nature. I have no idea what they're doing...lol.

When I receive funds for working with people its always because I'm engaged in some sort of ego work. ALWAYS. Anything that is divinely inspired occurs spontaneously and ego work is applied in method, foreknowledge and having a game plan. Yes I have my own spiritual guidance when I'm doing so but spirit always tells me to trust my own personal wisdom as well.

I noticed this: When I do hypnosis work with people they don't mind paying me.

When I do brain entrainment with people they don't mind my fee.

That word 'spiritual' works in there and it will because I am for all intents and purposes a spiritual counselor. Really though I guess I'm an ego bender which doesn't sound so appealing. Say the word spiritual and all of the sudden there's all these ego beliefs and conditioning popping up. The egos means of defending itself from those who would attempt to soften it.

So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

Sorry for replying with the whole thing - but to me it is so incisively correct that I am just floored and it deserves to be reposted in toto. Wow. Amazing. The thanks button was just not going to cut it for this post.

[Alexandrian]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

My impression is that it was more about THE CHURCHES behavior that needed researching.

[Alexandrian]

It's like you're on a smart phone and I manage to spot the odd smoke signal by accident :)


OMG - Thats Awesome - can I borrow that?

[Alexandrian]

Spiritual workers who HAVE to charge insane amount of money haven't got the spiritual manifestation thing down ...lol. So I raise a brow about just how spiritually they are operating. If they have huge material costs that's one thing but thats material. There's one thing about not undervaluing yourself but another in being impractical. High dollar amounts for some reason seems to equate talent in our skewed vision of the world.


I just have a material world anecdote to share about that syndrome. My cousin owns a bunch of specialty grocery stores. The manager of one store had a bunch of crap wine with crap pricing on them trying to move the inventory (i.e. 5$). My cousin came in - took one look - stuck a $15 price on them - several cases were sold out within a week.

[araucaria]

Two brief comments on Inelia's Christmas dinner and the idea that 'source to sauce' is somehow trivial. If we view anything finite in terms of infinity, it is going to be infinitely insignificant and by the same token infinitely important as well. Whatever you happen to be doing is infinitely important, so there is no point waiting for the big emergency to call in the cavalry.
Secondly, this ties in with the idea of saying a prayer or whatever over your food (Christians say grace) to make it better/safer etc. It doesn't have to be Christmas dinner either, or the Sunday roast for that matter. I remember my son coming home from a camping holiday and talking about the tin of peas that he had eaten, 'prepared with love' by one of the organizers.

[Carmen]

I agree with you Alexandrian, 9eagle9s summation of the fine craft of 'softening ego' is quite brilliant.! The ego is an ornery, aggressive bastard, and very difficult to break down to any semblance of humility. It loves to constantly 'wrong foot' others. I have marveled at the patience and perseverance of true spiritual teachers in my own life, and am truly grateful for their great unconditional love in revealing the truth of spirit. Our own spiritual Self, hidden and suppressed by a know it all, ego/image. The only real anti-Christ!

[Gajanana]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

My impression is that it was more about THE CHURCHES behavior that needed researching.

Still the question remains. One so evolved "knows". or maybe theres something I dont understand about the "powers" of the enlightned ones. Maybe I have misunderstood. A couple of hours on internet ought teach how such churches behave. I know its a simple question, but it hasnt been answered yet by anyone. Maybe the answer is obvious and I am missing something, perhaps I worded the question wrongly, I'll try again.

Why would a highly evolved spiritual being need to join a church in order to research it's or it's members behaviour?

thanks G.

[Alan]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

Why wouldn't they?

[Billy]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

My impression is that it was more about THE CHURCHES behavior that needed researching.



Still the question remains. One so evolved "knows". or maybe theres something I dont understand about the "powers" of the enlightned ones. Maybe I have misunderstood. A couple of hours on internet ought teach how such churches behave. I know its a simple question, but it hasnt been answered yet by anyone. Maybe the answer is obvious and I am missing something, perhaps I worded the question wrongly, I'll try again.

Why would a highly evolved spiritual being need to join a church in order to research it's or it's members behaviour?

thanks G.

The same reason a highly evolved spiritual being chooses to incarnate on Mother Earth, To experience the density, to work within that density and learn how to shine your light within the density, The result hopefully being that the density becomes lighter. Making it more difficult for those that attempt to control others to function.

Shine on

[Inelia]

hi Inelia,

do you do any type of healing work?

also, i really liked your answer regarding the threat to your physical body, but there is one variable that i'm afraid is not being accounted for: timing. what i mean is, this seems to be a very crucial time. a very important time. do you think tptb would consider taking you and those like you out during this sensitive time to win this last very strategic battle? of course you'd return but perhaps by the time you grew into adulthood the battle would be over and lost??? just a thought.

and thank you for your presence here!(Avalon and earth) much appreciated.

I don't do any healing work. If there is information that comes through for the person to heal themselves, I will pass it on to them. Sometimes the person will heal themselves in my presence, which is rather cool, but it's not my doing.

It's possible that tptb would take us down at a crucial time, but like Bill said, we come back in an instant, walk-ins are a reality. They cannot stop us.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,
I have some questions about your comments made here and on other foren.
I see a stark discrepancy and inconsistency between your statements here and there, and I thought it would be good to mention these.
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Here on Avalon you claim that you a bretharian, that you can survive without food and that you are only eating because you like it.
But on you own blog you said :

“At a certain point you will find that all these things are irrelevant. Eating habits, moral habits, toxins, they can all be bypassed. But it takes a very strong spirit. Personally speaking, I am not that strong.”
Link: http://inelia.blogspot.com

Can you please explain that obvious discrepancy within your own words?
For how many days in row have you not eaten anything?

I have never stated I am a breatherian. You must have me confused with someone else. As to my statement in my blog, it is true. There is a point that a person reaches when what they ingest is transmuted and raised in vibration, rather than the other way around. I am not at that stage, my physical body is still a work in progress. Read the comment from the Ninja Nun, she's doing just that with meat.



In a previous post you mentioned a kind of body “memory”.
I thought that the body is newly created for the soul to inhabit it. There should not be any “memory”, as it is created absolutely newly. That’s what is commonly known and accepted. The spirit imprints on the new body, not the other way around. Later there is a mutual exchange of influences.
In this light I can not understand your statement here:

“When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and
my death was allegedly suicide but was not.
I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.”
Link: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760 Post 21

It might be commonly known, but not by me, and does not resonate with me. Read the information about the body intelligence, and ask your own body if it's true. Try to keep you mind out of it for the answer. No one can prove this one to you but yourself.



How can you carry these memories through into your current existence?
Please comment on that.
The body intelligence is its own entity. The body and the person have a positive symbiotic relationship. For example, when there's a walk-in, the body stays the same, but the person is someone else. Also, those people who are kept in life-support machines, some of them are "empty", no one home. Yet the body keeps going. This would not be possible if the body was dependent on its existence on the person who created it. [/QUOTE]


In your interview with L. Renee you claim to remember several incidents during your interaction with Lucia Renee, while Lucia clearly says several times that she can not remember anything like that to happen.
This comes along as very strange to me.
Your reply to Lucias comment (of not remembering) was something like:

”The remembering happens on a need to know basis!” .


How is it possible that the other person can not remember something so important?
Who or what has blocked the memory? If so, why? You mentioned it to Lucia, so it was not a matter of secrecy.

This happens a lot. When a person has a conversation which they are not meant to be involved with, or remember, they will forget it. Even if they record it on tape, when they listen to it, they have blank spaces while whatever is being discussed is broadcast in their tape. Months or year later, they listen to the tape (once they are ready to hear it) and they get to hear and retain the information, then they get back to me if full amazement at the "new" information that appeared mysteriously in their tape.


In that interview you say that you do a hit and run tactic and then hide behind a false identity. You call it something like “doing the red cardinal”. My understanding is that you are creating a false impression to mislead the person you have attacked, in order to avoid counter-attacks.
Why would that be necessary, as you claim to be protected by - what you call - the “divine mother”?

This was to protect Lucia.

Further you say, that some “evil” people you would like to be dealt with, are left alone by the “divine mother”, and that you can not understand why.
Is it not also possible that someone else is “doing the divine mother” on you, just the same way as you are “doing the red cardinal”?

No. It is simply a way to express that what happens to people is not for me to understand or "do". It is ALL left to the source also known as the Divine Mother/Divine Father, Divine Intelligence (add your name for it here)...


Do you remember the old Christian saying:
“The one who lives by the sword will die by the sword?”, which is another description for karmic repercussion.

Can your activities not be described as “living by the sword”?

I am the focus, someone else yields the sword, which is made of divine light. You forgot to mention what happened to those people we dealt with. All are offered clemency and light.

[Inelia]

I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

All information is free, it's on my website. Everything is there. What I charge for are the MP3 downloads of the information, the books, and when I am able to, the sessions. Why? Because these are not "information", they are my "time". I charge for my time. A person can get onto my website and get all the information they need for achieving a higher vibration. It might also interest you to know, that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free. These people are very sincere and often later pay way more than what I charge for the downloadable material. Go figure.

Certain people also offer barter exchanges, when they do, I send them the list of items I am in need of, so we can create a true energy exchange.

[Inelia]

This may come across as cynical, but it is not my intention. Why would a seriously enlightened being need to join a church to research peoples behaviour?
G.

Because my journey is one of not understanding or knowing why enormously powerful beings, walk around "powerless". In order to give people tools they can use to overcome the shackles that are keeping them in an unconscious state, I need to learn why and how that comes about. When one's reality is so different to the average person, it is impossible to get an understanding from the outside. It is like someone trying to describe the colour "blue". Impossible. One has to see it. And then, what we see is simply what we all agree is "blue" but there is no proof that my "blue" is identical to your "blue".

Imagine, if you will, that the state of enlightenment was to be Chinese. So, a Chinese person was an enlightened person. Then, that person travels to the USA because lots of people there want to become Chinese, plus if they became Chinese they would make a better planet. The Chinese person, however, doesn't speak English and the culture she/he landed in is completely different to her/his village back in China. She/He will need to spend a lot of time educating him/herself on the language, culture and social forms in order to 1) survive and 2) learn what is needed and how to impart it.

[Flash]

Two sides of the coin, for Ace.

There's the side of the coin that I maintain: which is I'm seldom questioned because I can dependably validate--prove-- where I'm coming from or what I represent. If I say I can deliver this I deliver that. With the knowing of " if I say I can deliver something and I can't then its me that suffers. " I can either prove it or I can't. Once its proven there 's no need for questioning.

I don't willingly put myself in a place of suffering or public humiliation....lol.

Side two: Spiritual teachers, healers, what have you, understand that the person they are going to process with is only being facilitated by the healer. The core work is done by the recipient and people have to be educated on how a healing process works. Questions of course are part of any education. So questioning of course is valuable. And necessary.

On the issue of money exchange, I'm not sure why spiritual healers just don't say it. We aren't working with the spirit. Spirit and divinity is effortless. I can't package up that which exists in every atom around me and, hand it to a person and say "Here you go that will be hundred dollars please." Yes it would be wrong for me to take what your SELF is telling me and then charge you for it. I'd prefer that you be able to hear your self or source .

But at any time a person can make the choice of not depending on someone else and choose to stand in their own source.

And that is what a spiritual teacher teaches..

A spiritual teacher teaches one how to access their own Source. To know how to know it for what iti is. That means we work with what is cutting off the access. The spirit or divinity isn't play and hide and seek.

It's The EGO. The MIND. We challenge, flex, bend, in various means to facilitate a process to get the recipient's ego soft enough so they can begin to have a shift in perception. They very much have to participate in the process. Divinity may have led me to work with others but all minds and egos basically function the same. So is that truly Divine knowledge I'm working in? If everyone has an ego and they pretty much operate the same save for the details, is that divine knowledge or common knowledge?

No. As soon as divinity and spirit is expressed in another person I'm working with, the work stops. Accomplishment.They don't need me anymore. And working with the ego is very much of this physical world. The spirit doesn't acknowledge ego. To tell you the truth in reality there is not enough cashola in the world to compensate a person for working in the ego process. Its ugly, insane, vapid, cunning, hurtful, abusive. And that is what the ego insinuates because it is the most clever animal in the world: To pay for divinity is wrong. The EGO knows one isn't paying for divinity, it KNOWS that the person is paying someone else to help learn how to kick its @SS.

Because spiritual healers aren't working the spirit, we are working down the ego so people can access their own divinity. So the ego of course is going to find something ugly to say about spiritual healers. To protect itself. It is THAT insidious. Most of the population can't know how insidious and clever a fox their own ego is.

I'm talking about REAL spiritual healers that effect real transformations in people not ding dongy shills and things of that nature. I have no idea what they're doing...lol.

When I receive funds for working with people its always because I'm engaged in some sort of ego work. ALWAYS. Anything that is divinely inspired occurs spontaneously and ego work is applied in method, foreknowledge and having a game plan. Yes I have my own spiritual guidance when I'm doing so but spirit always tells me to trust my own personal wisdom as well.

I noticed this: When I do hypnosis work with people they don't mind paying me.

When I do brain entrainment with people they don't mind my fee.

That word 'spiritual' works in there and it will because I am for all intents and purposes a spiritual counselor. Really though I guess I'm an ego bender which doesn't sound so appealing. Say the word spiritual and all of the sudden there's all these ego beliefs and conditioning popping up. The egos means of defending itself from those who would attempt to soften it.

So is it wrong of me to accept funds for working down the mind and ego which are very much things of this physical world?

After reading this I would gladly pay you! Lets get that ego into its own place, submitted to the spirit/soul. Help me do it efficiently, I pay with joy.

[Inelia]

First of all thanks to all for this thread so far, really looking forward to the interview!

I have a few questions if I may?

I see the universe and all therein as a very hostile place where the microscopic and huge (macro) all act under just one premise: "Devour to survive". There has been an undertone with relation to food, that one should eat as "purely" (energetically speaking) as possible to further fortify ones-Self to the best of your ability with the resources available. I wonder how we should judge ourselves (to self justify our actions) when compared to the lion who eats the deer. The lion has to eat the deer to survive and the deer (on just this one premise) has to avoid the lion to survive. I don't see how we are different, whether this be meat or vegetables and fruits.......we are subject to the same system, as is space and every single energetic reaction down to the internals of an atom. One survives and one lives and all are programmed to try. Whilst I don't enjoy the unthinking, cold, processed murder of living organisms to enable us to survive (including vegetables), everything we experience tells us the same story does it not? And everything within the All we experience is subject to this yet seemingly free of the judgement we place on ourselves for succumbing. I wonder the opportunity cost of multitudes of sperm cells in every ejaculation and how far we take that?

In a flower bed, one flower will be stronger, even to the extent where the opportunity cost for other flowers is death. Then the fertile soil from this bed will be beneficial to the next species or not, depending upon pre-disposition and conditions. I wonder how we spiritually renumerate this.......and if we can, can we renumerate the opportunity cost of our own species on a larger scale as we macroscopically seek survival of our own? Do we not proverbially "excrete" on others to live? This seems the way from top to bottom and I don't like it (yet see the beauty!)

I firmly believe we are instruments (willing if aware) of the greater forces moving through us (VERY happy to remove my belief), it's just how and with what intention we channel them....... but the effect is homogenous from the top to the bottom. Kill to survive. You can't have too many carrots in a bed or they will die........as we can percieve from a future with too many humans. It's about increasing the quality of a single carrot and concurrently providing the correct quantity for the recipient/farmer.

So....... (sorry for the elongated preface), even with the choice of freewill to create our own timeline and circumstance, why should we? We are subject to far greater.

(Disclaimer: I'm happy and at one with how things are, it's just the "way it is" and one has to carry on in the best way possible, changing what has meaning. BUT, I'd love your insights!!!!)

This is one of the questions that puzzled me too. And it was very much in that same context.
As I observed it for a few months, it became clear to me that this is indeed what happens at a lower level of evolution. Then, when the sentient being breaks through this barrier, this is what happens:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al6Hj4mONGA

As a young child, I was able to pick humming birds off the trees, they would let me, so I could stroke, talk and pet them. Then my mother told me that if I did that they would then die... I was never able to get close to them again.

[777]

Thank You truly Inelia. I recieve a lot of energy down my spine when I hear you speak or read your words. We are lucky to have you among us.

Thanks again, Ben. :grouphug:

Edit: "up my spine"

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given. [/SIZE][/FONT]
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.

Amer, I'd like to invite you to a wonderful thread about this subject here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19126-The-Ethics-of-Charging-Money-for-Information-Guidance-or-Teachings

Your opinion and contributions are welcome. 9Eagle had some especially brilliant (and very funny) things to say.

[Lettherebelight]

All information is free, it's on my website. Everything is there. What I charge for are the MP3 downloads of the information, the books, and when I am able to, the sessions. Why? Because these are not "information", they are my "time". I charge for my time. A person can get onto my website and get all the information they need for achieving a higher vibration. It might also interest you to know, that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free. These people are very sincere and often later pay way more than what I charge for the downloadable material. Go figure.

Certain people also offer barter exchanges, when they do, I send them the list of items I am in need of, so we can create a true energy exchange.

It's a tricky subject, charging people for spiritual information, actually, that isn't even possible.

My understanding is that Inelia offers her books, info and sessions, much as a counsellor or doctor would charge for their expertise, techniques for living, etc., to assist people in their journey through this realm of existence...is that right?

[Astra]

“Then, when the sentient being breaks through this barrier, this is what happens...”


Dear Inelia, thank you :)The video you posted is beautiful and inspiring. Isn’t it what the whole Journey should be about: to break the wall, to remove the barrier between “me” and “you” ... “us” and “others” ... and to understand what the Play is about? All sentient beings in all Universes are a magnificent creation, a grand expression of the Source of Love. We should become a true mirror of each and every living particle "from above and from below” . When we look in this mirror long enough and with pure intention, our “I” will dissolve and merge with the other side of the veil, where a glimpses of unconditional Love await all beings that ask and search, for the higher good of all.

Astra
:grouphug:

[Inelia]

All information is free, it's on my website. Everything is there. What I charge for are the MP3 downloads of the information, the books, and when I am able to, the sessions. Why? Because these are not "information", they are my "time". I charge for my time. A person can get onto my website and get all the information they need for achieving a higher vibration. It might also interest you to know, that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free. These people are very sincere and often later pay way more than what I charge for the downloadable material. Go figure.

Certain people also offer barter exchanges, when they do, I send them the list of items I am in need of, so we can create a true energy exchange.

It's a tricky subject, charging people for spiritual information, actually, that isn't even possible.

My understanding is that Inelia offers her books, info and sessions, much as a counsellor or doctor would charge for their expertise, techniques for living, etc., to assist people in their journey through this realm of existence...is that right?

Well, what I charge for is my time. The main reason is that I learned that part of the karmic cycle is "debt". When a person is entangled in an energetic "debt", they are kind of trapped. Which is, I believe, the reason behind the entire present monetary system being based on debt.

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Dear Avalonians,
I appreciate all of the dialogue and honest questioning of this forum. On a personal note, having met and listened to Inelia for 7 hours yesterday, I am absolutely convinced of her honesty and integrity. You can pick at her views, posts, statements, etc., but the reality is, she is what she claims to be. That said, her focus is not on herself or her beliefs, but on helping to empower the individual. It is about you - not about her :). I am grateful to have the direct knowing of this and I pass it on for what it is worth. Namaste

[Lettherebelight]

My understanding is that spiritual exchange is beyond the laws of karma.
Karma is a universal law that applies only within the realm of the material energy.

I understand the need to maintain oneself, though, so I would agree this is necessary. :)

[Inelia]

My understanding is that spiritual exchange is beyond the laws of karma.
Karma is a universal law that applies only within the realm of the material energy.

Yes, that is correct. Time exchange is not spiritual but part of the time/space illusion. Plus, with those people who there is a true spiritual exchange, as we give and receive in equal measure, neither charges for their time/space. However, when there is a request of one person giving and the other person receiving, the person receiving need to provide an exchange of equal measure, or debt is created.

[Charlie Pecos]

Hi Inelia,

I have been noticing for quite some time how events that occur in this reality must have an extradimensional origin. It is my summation that most in this reality are unable to perceive this. Many, if not all, of the events we see on the world stage are driven by entities just outside of our awareness. It is often repeated in our circle that the spiritual governs the natural, as above-so below. But how many in the alternative community truly understand what this means? Beings beyond our ability to perceive them are influencing us and helping to orchestrate our moves. Why is this necessary? This is very apparent to me in the realms of world leaders, corporations, and politicians. Many times these forces are of a dark nature although I am also able to see how events are also influenced by beings of love and light. I have read about wars being waged between the Angels and the Dominion of Darkness. It is my observation that this is done here on the 3D plane as well. It is subtle but exists none the less. I am quite certain you have also seen this but I am curious as to your take on this as it has been occupying my mind for the past week. It is like a dirty little secret no one ever acknowledges or talks about. Yet I see it happening every day in big ways and small.

There seems to be a large piece of the puzzle that is missing because most do not see that it is not there. There is something much larger here than even those in the alternative community are aware of. Why is it necessary for perfect beings to come here and be subjected to the atrocities that are so prevalent here? So many beings desire peace and harmony and yet there is a concerted effort on the part of our "leaders" to keep this from happening. Why? What are we not seeing here? These leaders appear to be influenced by a negative energy. We have been poisoned and dumbed down to the point that we are little more than retarded monkeys. Why? What is there to gain by doing this? And by whom and to what end? It is my observation that many spirits return to the spirit world badly damaged as a result of their time here on earth, yet we are told that this is a game where no one really gets hurt.

I have felt that I am a prisoner all my life, all I have ever wanted is to be free, truly free. Why do we have to pay to live in a place where we were born? Why is it necessary to come here over and over again to "learn" when we are already All? Why is it necessary to come here at all? It makes no sense. I propose to you that our enslavement is not just here in this hard reality, but in the spirit realm as well. As above, so below. Perhaps unlocking our freedom here will cause the walls to come crashing down there. There is so much more than we are aware of. I grow tired of being told I chose to come here, bull****! I have read Michael Newtons books and I have to tell you that the most striking piece of information that he had was when his clients would tell of very advanced beings coming to visit their class. Who are these beings? What is the purpose of their visit? Are they gauging how their slaves are coming along? The students were not aware of who these beings were or why they were there. According to Newton, there is no such thing as deception in the spirit world, but I can't help but wonder if there is such a thing as ignorance. We are told this is a game, but who's game is it? I have never enjoyed games, I find them useless. I love to explore and take the world on my own terms. I'm tired of playing someone else's game and having to follow their rules.


It all comes down to energy. If every thing and every one is energy, then what is the purpose of producing and directing energy in this reality? We are energy. We use energy. We manifest and produce energy. Others take energy from us. Everything we are, everything about our existence is energy at its most fundamental level. Could this be the key to why we are here? Is this why the concept of free energy is taboo? If our individual realities are constructed and influenced in such a way as to direct our energy in a certain direction, towards a certain end, what is that end? Think about this. We are forced to spend our days putting forth our energy at work or at school. Where does this energy go? Look at our society. We are enamored with sex, violence, fear, celebrity, politics. These things draw an energy from us, it goes somewhere. Where does it go? If there are beings standing outside of our reality who are in fact directing our reality then what are they doing with the energy that is being produced in this reality. Is this energy being sent to an extradimensional reality? Why and to what end?

I am most curious to hear your thoughts on this subject.

[Inelia]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Inelia, this is very interesting and raises a question in my mind. It is a little complex and to ask it I need to define what I am meaning by certain terms because otherwise the question wont work!

Avatar: someone who has no need to incarnate but takes a body (even to the extent of manufacturing one! Perhaps a "mayavarupa" body) to provide a service - this would be at the very high end of the spiritual spectrum I guess etc - these people are masters of time and space and everything is possible for them (subject to freewill rules).

Overshadowing: A technique by which one person is working intimately with another for the same body, one being a high vibrational being and the other being an exceptionally high vibrational being. The higher overshadows the lower under complete freewill. As an example Jesus of Nazereth overshadowed by the Christ Principle that evolved on this planet and thus becoming Jesus the Christ for his ministry that was somewhat documented in the Bible. Jesus was conscious of it, but he was moving with the will of the Christ principle. I have seen the term overshadowing used to describe this. So in this overshadowing Jesus remains an independent entity is working with the higher principle directly and they both use the same body.

In the question to follow the terms walk-in and wanderer are meant in the Carla Reukert and LLResearch sense of the terms. As I understand it Walk-ins enter a body sometime after it has been born and it is by agreement of the original occupying soul which leaves. I think Wanderers means people from other extra-planetary soul groups that are not really needing to incarnate here, but as "brothers and sisters of sorrow" do so to increase their own experience and lend a hand with their higher than average vibrations (as they are usually from very high densities of expression).

Inelia, would you mind clarifying something, in the terms given above are you overshadowed, an avatar, walk-in, a wanderer or none of these things (please elaborate if this is true!)

John..

Excellent question. And very good way of explaining the different types of symbiotic relationship between body and spirit.
From the explanation above, the one I would identify the most with is the walk-in at birth.

[Inelia]

Some individuals will feel that a person is being used and manipulated by the darkside by that being from the darkside masquerading as a light being. And this is when one of the rules of life comes in. We can ask the person/being, if their intentions are benevolent and of the "light", at this point, even if they try to lie, the truth will be revealed.

Hi Inelia,
When you say the truth will be revealed. How do you see this truth for example in words, pictures or a knowing etc. I hope this makes sense as I have found this question hard to put into words.

Kind regards
Chelle:cool:

It's a dissonance in what they are saying/conveying and what is behind their communication. For example, if we say to ourselves that our name is "Bob", but it's really something else, then say to our self "my name is [real name]" there is a subtle difference in the energy and feeling in one's body.

[manny]

hi inelia.
what is your mission.
what do hope to gain by coming to Avalon.
thanks

[craig mitchell]

Hey everyone,

What is the thread we can post on to give Bill and Inelia feedback about the Sacramento seminar 'after the event' ? Bill requested our input and I thought I would remember which thread, but I haven't!

Thanks, Craig Mitchell

[Alexandrian]

Hey everyone,

What is the thread we can post on to give Bill and Inelia feedback about the Sacramento seminar 'after the event' ? Bill requested our input and I thought I would remember which thread, but I haven't!

Thanks, Craig Mitchell
The Sac Seminar thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18497-Bill-Inelia-experimental-seminar-Sacramento-CA-Saturday-30-April&p=208634#post208634

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,
hope you guys had a great seminar! Today while asleep another question came to mind trying to understand the workings of the upper realms where you come from.

Have you had assignments in any other systems, realities, dimensions, etc where you go, do your work as instructed, then move to a different place?
Or is it the opposite?, like you see there is help needed in a certain place/system/dimension and then you go there to give a hand? (by you, I am trying to mean all the beings that are here to help us now).

I guess what I am to understand are the great "game rules", meaning, the "game creators" (and I guess that in each galaxy/system there is a different game) are overseeing what is going on and they send some help when things go too much out of balance, or in fact, there is a full free will up to several "dimensions" and any being can jump in and try to do its best to help in the situations they see (for instance, now here on Earth).

Sorry if this is too "abstract", but this question can only be answered by someone who is not "from here" so I took the chance hoping you can share some light here.
thanks!

Up to now, all the work has been on this dimension. Sometimes other dimensions are used to access people and beings (astral for example) but the work is for them here, on this one.

I do have a large part of attention on the "10th" dimension (the numbering of dimensions is just a language thing, they are not really separate. "10th dimension" as I use it here means where there Oneness and singularity experience are so intertwined that Oneness is experienced through a singular perspective - experienced as "I") and it feels very much like it's in order to have like an oxygen mask while diving into the ocean. At the same time though, others are sometimes able to feel see it when I'm with them.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Craig, it's listed as: Bill + Inelia experimental seminar, Sacramento, CA

Some have already posted their experience.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

I have been noticing for quite some time how events that occur in this reality must have an extradimensional origin. It is my summation that most in this reality are unable to perceive this. Many, if not all, of the events we see on the world stage are driven by entities just outside of our awareness. It is often repeated in our circle that the spiritual governs the natural, as above-so below. But how many in the alternative community truly understand what this means? Beings beyond our ability to perceive them are influencing us and helping to orchestrate our moves. Why is this necessary? This is very apparent to me in the realms of world leaders, corporations, and politicians. Many times these forces are of a dark nature although I am also able to see how events are also influenced by beings of love and light. I have read about wars being waged between the Angels and the Dominion of Darkness. It is my observation that this is done here on the 3D plane as well. It is subtle but exists none the less. I am quite certain you have also seen this but I am curious as to your take on this as it has been occupying my mind for the past week. It is like a dirty little secret no one ever acknowledges or talks about. Yet I see it happening every day in big ways and small.

There seems to be a large piece of the puzzle that is missing because most do not see that it is not there. There is something much larger here than even those in the alternative community are aware of. Why is it necessary for perfect beings to come here and be subjected to the atrocities that are so prevalent here? So many beings desire peace and harmony and yet there is a concerted effort on the part of our "leaders" to keep this from happening. Why? What are we not seeing here? These leaders appear to be influenced by a negative energy. We have been poisoned and dumbed down to the point that we are little more than retarded monkeys. Why? What is there to gain by doing this? And by whom and to what end? It is my observation that many spirits return to the spirit world badly damaged as a result of their time here on earth, yet we are told that this is a game where no one really gets hurt.

I have felt that I am a prisoner all my life, all I have ever wanted is to be free, truly free. Why do we have to pay to live in a place where we were born? Why is it necessary to come here over and over again to "learn" when we are already All? Why is it necessary to come here at all? It makes no sense. I propose to you that our enslavement is not just here in this hard reality, but in the spirit realm as well. As above, so below. Perhaps unlocking our freedom here will cause the walls to come crashing down there. There is so much more than we are aware of. I tired of being told I chose to come here, bull****! I have read Michael Newtons books and I have to tell you that the most striking piece of information that he had was when his clients would tell of very advanced beings coming to visit their class. Who are these beings? What is the purpose of their visit? Are they gauging how their slaves are coming along? The students were not aware of who these beings were or why they were there. According to Newton, there is no such thing as deception in the spirit world, but I can't help but wonder if there is such a thing as ignorance. We are told this is a game, but who's game is it? I have never enjoyed games, I find them useless. I love to explore and take the world on my own terms. I'm tired of playing someone else's game and having to follow their rules.


It all comes down to energy. If every thing and every one is energy, then what is the purpose of producing and directing energy in this reality? We are energy. We use energy. We manifest and produce energy. Others take energy from us. Everything we are, everything about our existence is energy at its most fundamental level. Could this be the key to why we are here? Is this why the concept of free energy is taboo? If our individual realities are constructed and influenced in such a way as to direct our energy in a certain direction, towards a certain end, what is that end? Think about this. We are forced to spend our days putting forth our energy at work or at school. Where does this energy go? Look at our society. We are enamored with sex, violence, fear, celebrity, politics. These things draw an energy from us, it goes somewhere. Where does it go? If there are beings standing outside of our reality who are in fact directing our reality then what are they doing with the energy that is being produced in this reality. Is this energy being sent to an extradimensional reality? Why and to what end?

I am most curious to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Excellent post.

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.

[David Topí]

Up to now, all the work has been on this dimension. Sometimes other dimensions are used to access people and beings (astral for example) but the work is for them here, on this one.

I do have a large part of attention on the "10th" dimension (the numbering of dimensions is just a language thing, they are not really separate. "10th dimension" as I use it here means where there Oneness and singularity experience are so intertwined that Oneness is experienced through a singular perspective - experienced as "I") and it feels very much like it's in order to have like an oxygen mask while diving into the ocean. At the same time though, others are sometimes able to feel see it when I'm with them.

That is interesting, and raises another question. Do you feel this difference in dimensions (even if they are all one within the other) to be organised in octaves? Like groups of 7 "levels", and when you talk about a 10th dimension this means Oneness belonging to a separate higher octave? Or this would be not at all the way you perceive the upper realms?

thanks!

[Inelia]

Up to now, all the work has been on this dimension. Sometimes other dimensions are used to access people and beings (astral for example) but the work is for them here, on this one.

I do have a large part of attention on the "10th" dimension (the numbering of dimensions is just a language thing, they are not really separate. "10th dimension" as I use it here means where there Oneness and singularity experience are so intertwined that Oneness is experienced through a singular perspective - experienced as "I") and it feels very much like it's in order to have like an oxygen mask while diving into the ocean. At the same time though, others are sometimes able to feel see it when I'm with them.

That is interesting, and raises another question. Do you feel this difference in dimensions (even if they are all one within the other) to be organised in octaves? Like groups of 7 "levels", and when you talk about a 10th dimension this means Oneness belonging to a separate higher octave? Or this would be not at all the way you perceive the upper realms?

thanks!

The separation, in my opinion, is what we do in order to be able to "play" the different "levels". Taking this into account, the number we divide them is not "real" as it were, but an agreement in order to be able to communicate with each other what we see. I have not personally divided them into groups of seven levels. I simply divided them into 12. And it is my understanding that once an entire "level" evolves into the next one, a new level is created to expand the level of conscious experience of the divine observer/experiencer observed/experienced ad infinitum.

[Lettherebelight]

My understanding is that spiritual exchange is beyond the laws of karma.
Karma is a universal law that applies only within the realm of the material energy.

Yes, that is correct. Time exchange is not spiritual but part of the time/space illusion. Plus, with those people who there is a true spiritual exchange, as we give and receive in equal measure, neither charges for their time/space. However, when there is a request of one person giving and the other person receiving, the person receiving need to provide an exchange of equal measure, or debt is created.


There is certainly a debt created when one receives real spiritual knowledge. But it is one that can never be repaid, and certainly not in a monetary way.

Spiritual knowledge cannot be bought or sold, neither can time. Time is invaluable.
One can, however, have a mercantile exchange when it comes to goods and services, and certainly it is necessary to maintain the body and soul!

For those that do give real spiritual knowledge, it is the duty of human society to support them by giving freely whatever is required by them. The person in knowledge will never accept more than the bare necessities, as he/she knows that austerity is the wealth of the wise.

Perhaps we differ on this point, nevertheless, I appreciate your hard work and wish you well. :)

[Inelia]

My understanding is that spiritual exchange is beyond the laws of karma.
Karma is a universal law that applies only within the realm of the material energy.

Yes, that is correct. Time exchange is not spiritual but part of the time/space illusion. Plus, with those people who there is a true spiritual exchange, as we give and receive in equal measure, neither charges for their time/space. However, when there is a request of one person giving and the other person receiving, the person receiving need to provide an exchange of equal measure, or debt is created.


There is certainly a debt created when one receives real spiritual knowledge. But it is one that can never be repaid, and certainly not in a monetary way.

Spiritual knowledge cannot be bought or sold, neither can time. Time is invaluable.
One can, however, have a mercantile exchange when it comes to goods and services, and certainly it is necessary to maintain the body and soul!

For those that do give real spiritual knowledge, it is the duty of human society to support them by giving freely whatever is required by them. The person in knowledge will never accept more than the bare necessities, as he/she knows that austerity is the wealth of the wise.

Perhaps we differ on this point, nevertheless, I appreciate your hard work and wish you well. :)

I guess we do differ in this point :)

[Ilie Pandia]

My understanding is that spiritual exchange is beyond the laws of karma.
Karma is a universal law that applies only within the realm of the material energy.

Yes, that is correct. Time exchange is not spiritual but part of the time/space illusion. Plus, with those people who there is a true spiritual exchange, as we give and receive in equal measure, neither charges for their time/space. However, when there is a request of one person giving and the other person receiving, the person receiving need to provide an exchange of equal measure, or debt is created.


There is certainly a debt created when one receives real spiritual knowledge. But it is one that can never be repaid, and certainly not in a monetary way.

Spiritual knowledge cannot be bought or sold, neither can time. Time is invaluable.
One can, however, have a mercantile exchange when it comes to goods and services, and certainly it is necessary to maintain the body and soul!

For those that do give real spiritual knowledge, it is the duty of human society to support them by giving freely whatever is required by them. The person in knowledge will never accept more than the bare necessities, as he/she knows that austerity is the wealth of the wise.

Perhaps we differ on this point, nevertheless, I appreciate your hard work and wish you well. :)

Hello,

I would like to add my thoughts on your comments here :)

What is the essence of goods and services? what is the essence of the body or the essence of money? Aren't all those some sort of expression of energy? I would say so. Therefore, I believe, is a subtle trap to create a dividing line between "goods, services, money" and "body, soul, spirit". I do not believe that any of that list is more "sacred" than the other...

"Austerity is the wealth of the wise". I would challenge that too :). I am all for a full and rich life! Inner and outer. A poor person is not necessarily a wise person... and a rich person is not necessarily non-spiritual or not-wise. Of course that "rich" can mean different things for different people.

I would like to hear Inelia's comments on this :)

[David Topí]

Up to now, all the work has been on this dimension. Sometimes other dimensions are used to access people and beings (astral for example) but the work is for them here, on this one.

I do have a large part of attention on the "10th" dimension (the numbering of dimensions is just a language thing, they are not really separate. "10th dimension" as I use it here means where there Oneness and singularity experience are so intertwined that Oneness is experienced through a singular perspective - experienced as "I") and it feels very much like it's in order to have like an oxygen mask while diving into the ocean. At the same time though, others are sometimes able to feel see it when I'm with them.

That is interesting, and raises another question. Do you feel this difference in dimensions (even if they are all one within the other) to be organised in octaves? Like groups of 7 "levels", and when you talk about a 10th dimension this means Oneness belonging to a separate higher octave? Or this would be not at all the way you perceive the upper realms?

thanks!

The separation, in my opinion, is what we do in order to be able to "play" the different "levels". Taking this into account, the number we divide them is not "real" as it were, but an agreement in order to be able to communicate with each other what we see. I have not personally divided them into groups of seven levels. I simply divided them into 12. And it is my understanding that once an entire "level" evolves into the next one, a new level is created to expand the level of conscious experience of the divine observer/experiencer observed/experienced ad infinitum.

ok, that makes perfect sense also to me. Sometimes when I ask the Higher Self of a person in which level "they are", some reply that they are sitting on the 5th dimension projecting themselve to the 3rd dimension. Others reply that they are on the 3.5D, or 3.6 or 3.7, being 3D a level within an octave that ranges from 1D to 7D, and they classify our Earth reality as 3.3, the astral as 3.4 and the levels they are between 3.5 and 3.7. Thus, they consider themselves as 3D beings moving into 4D, then to 5D...6D...7D and next octave.

But I have heard also about this 12th levels classification, and that did not fit, however, if I think about it in a way of a infinitely expanding levels being created when a lower one dissapears, in fact this divisions simply are not needed.

Do you personally have experienced transition from one level to another in a drastic way or always being smooth raises in vibration and conciousness? (I assume at one point you were a being with a lower level of awareness that has been growing in your own trip back to source)

thanks!

[Inelia]

Hello,

I would like to add my thoughts on your comments here :)

What is the essence of goods and services? what is the essence of the body or the essence of money? Aren't all those some sort of expression of energy? I would say so. Therefore, I believe, is a subtle trap to create a dividing line between "goods, services, money" and "body, soul, spirit". I do not believe that any of that list is more "sacred" than the other...

"Austerity is the wealth of the wise". I would challenge that too :). I am all for a full and rich life! Inner and outer. A poor person is not necessarily a wise person... and a rich person is not necessarily non-spiritual or not-wise. Of course that "rich" can mean different things for different people.

I would like to hear Inelia's comments on this :)

There use to be a time, and this still exists in a few native tribes on the planet, when the "wise person/healer/shaman" of the tribe took care of the tribe without question, without charge and no attention to their personal survival in the 3D. Why? Because the tribe would make sure he/she woke up to a hardy breakfast, clean clothes, water and suitable shelter. The "wise person/healer/shaman" was then able to spend all of her/his waking and sleeping time doing this work.
The "white man" has done his best to destroy this in their own countries (creating the evil witch in the woods myth- who he then burns at the stake), as well as passing laws in other countries which prohibits the "wise person/healer/shaman" from receiving this type of support from his/her village (making it an illegal practice), or by stopping them from collecting what nature freely provides for his/her existence by calling it trespassing, or illegal taking of animal pray kills (some African "wise person/healer/shaman" will go to the pride as they are eating their pray and take part of the kill for their consumption).

It is most unfortunate that we now all have to pay to live in this planet. Those who come to me for paid time will often give way over the amount charged, which is very little actually. This is the spirit of exchange, not of charging for services or goods.

As to differentiating between services and goods, and spiritual matters, yeah, in my opinion there is no difference. At the end of the day, everything is an energy exchange.

[gabbahh]

There is certainly a debt created when one receives real spiritual knowledge.
Sounds like a deal with the devil in a way. Spiritual wisdom is granted to those who are willing to accept it, and are open for it. It is hard for me to believe there is any debt involved when being granted wisdom.

Even worse, if a certain debt or obligation is required to receive spiritual knowledge, I really do not want it.

Just my opinion and feelings on this single statement. Still have a lot to learn, so please expand on your outlook on spiritual exchanges.



For those that do give real spiritual knowledge, it is the duty of human society to support them by giving freely whatever is required by them. The person in knowledge will never accept more than the bare necessities, as he/she knows that austerity is the wealth of the wise.

One provides spiritual nourishment, the other physical nourishment in the form of food. Balance. Yes, it is our duty to take care of another.



Perhaps we differ on this point, nevertheless, I appreciate your hard work and wish you well. :)
And those differences lead to new insights, paradigms and allow us to evolve and learn.

Love, Ton

[Inelia]

<snip>

ok, that makes perfect sense also to me. Sometimes when I ask the Higher Self of a person in which level "they are", some reply that they are sitting on the 5th dimension projecting themselve to the 3rd dimension. Others reply that they are on the 3.5D, or 3.6 or 3.7, being 3D a level within an octave that ranges from 1D to 7D, and they classify our Earth reality as 3.3, the astral as 3.4 and the levels they are between 3.5 and 3.7. Thus, they consider themselves as 3D beings moving into 4D, then to 5D...6D...7D and next octave.

But I have heard also about this 12th levels classification, and that did not fit, however, if I think about it in a way of a infinitely expanding levels being created when a lower one dissapears, in fact this divisions simply are not needed.

Do you personally have experienced transition from one level to another in a drastic way or always being smooth raises in vibration and conciousness? (I assume at one point you were a being with a lower level of awareness that has been growing in your own trip back to source)

thanks!

I went back and forth. During my early years, it was a transition of coming from source and trying to comprehend the lower level of awareness here on the planet (this is very much like it is today too). Then I decided the only way to understand it was to delve into the lower awareness. This was disastrous for me, and a very bad choice. But it did give me a tiny understanding of what others must go through. I can never say that I have full understanding of what someone has had to overcome after many lifetimes here on the planet. But it gave me a taste.

Now I don't see them as transitions, they are simply larger/smaller points of awareness/viewpoint. Almost like when one holds a finger in front of one's face, focuses on the finger, the landscape behind it becomes blurry, but doesn't go away, then one focuses on the landscape and the finger becomes almost impossible to see (transparent). But, if we were to move our viewpoint further way (or finger further away from the face), we can see both in focus... of course this needs 20.20 vision to see, or some really good glasses.

[David Topí]

<snip>

ok, that makes perfect sense also to me. Sometimes when I ask the Higher Self of a person in which level "they are", some reply that they are sitting on the 5th dimension projecting themselve to the 3rd dimension. Others reply that they are on the 3.5D, or 3.6 or 3.7, being 3D a level within an octave that ranges from 1D to 7D, and they classify our Earth reality as 3.3, the astral as 3.4 and the levels they are between 3.5 and 3.7. Thus, they consider themselves as 3D beings moving into 4D, then to 5D...6D...7D and next octave.

But I have heard also about this 12th levels classification, and that did not fit, however, if I think about it in a way of a infinitely expanding levels being created when a lower one dissapears, in fact this divisions simply are not needed.

Do you personally have experienced transition from one level to another in a drastic way or always being smooth raises in vibration and conciousness? (I assume at one point you were a being with a lower level of awareness that has been growing in your own trip back to source)

thanks!

I went back and forth. During my early years, it was a transition of coming from source and trying to comprehend the lower level of awareness here on the planet (this is very much like it is today too). Then I decided the only way to understand it was to delve into the lower awareness. This was disastrous for me, and a very bad choice. But it did give me a tiny understanding of what others must go through. I can never say that I have full understanding of what someone has had to overcome after many lifetimes here on the planet. But it gave me a taste.

Now I don't see them as transitions, they are simply larger/smaller points of awareness/viewpoint. Almost like when one holds a finger in front of one's face, focuses on the finger, the landscape behind it becomes blurry, but doesn't go away, then one focuses on the landscape and the finger becomes almost impossible to see (transparent). But, if we were to move our viewpoint further way (or finger further away from the face), we can see both in focus... of course this needs 20.20 vision to see, or some really good glasses.

Inelia, you are a mine of information, and a jewel in this planet. Thanks! :-)

[Charlie Pecos]

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.

Thank you Inelia,

The answer I get is the one I have known my entire life- I am restricted. My question is why and to what end? What are we/our energy being harvested for? Why was it necessary for humans to be cut off from their natural abilities and what energy or force is behind this? I want so badly to leave here and exist in the freedom I have only dreamed of, and yet external forces keep me firmly in place. I do not understand the need to control other beings. Thank you very much for your help.

[Inelia]

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.

Thank you Inelia,

The answer I get is the one I have known my entire life- I am restricted. My question is why and to what end? What are we/our energy being harvested for? Why was it necessary for humans to be cut off from their natural abilities and what energy or force is behind this? I want so badly to leave here and exist in the freedom I have only dreamed of, and yet external forces keep me firmly in place. I do not understand the need to control other beings. Thank you very much for your help.

I think that the reason is their own lack of awareness and enslavement to the 3D construct as well as fear to what we are becoming. As we move out of this enslavement as a species, we can also direct our attention onto the beings who enslaved us eons ago (some say they are called Annunaki - I have not investigated it much personally), their level of awareness will lift too, and as they move out of our planet, there is also a possibility that their transition to releasing all planets that they have enslaved will have began also.

At the end of the day, for me anyway, it doesn't really matter why others do what they do. What matters is how we can stop whatever they do affecting us directly. We can regain these abilities, awareness, and knowing, and the seminars and work that Bill and I are embarking on is the exploration and co-creation of exactly this. We don't have all the answers individually, but as a large and expanding co-creative movement, we have a lot of them.

[Charlie Pecos]

It is my understanding that the Annunaki are the ones who enslaved us originally. As human awareness grew, they were forced to leave the planet. I think it is possible that as human awareness and abilities grew, so did theirs. I am wondering if these are (in part) the external influences that help to shape our reality. They could no longer enslave us in a physical presence, however they had/have the ability to enslave the human race in a much bigger construct, one that sits just outside of our perception. Are they truly moving out of our planet or is the game changing in such a way that a new enslavement program will be constructed? I find it difficult to believe they would just turn away from something that they have so much energy invested in.

Thank you so much for answering my questions Inelia, I truly appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. Just one more quick question: What can you tell us about "Hollow Earth"?

[robinr1]

found it...nm

[Inelia]

It is my understanding that the Annunaki are the ones who enslaved us originally. As human awareness grew, they were forced to leave the planet. I think it is possible that as human awareness and abilities grew, so did theirs. I am wondering if these are (in part) the external influences that help to shape our reality. They could no longer enslave us in a physical presence, however they had/have the ability to enslave the human race in a much bigger construct, one that sits just outside of our perception. Are they truly moving out of our planet or is the game changing in such a way that a new enslavement program will be constructed? I find it difficult to believe they would just turn away from something that they have so much energy invested in.

Thank you so much for answering my questions Inelia, I truly appreciate you sharing your knowledge with us. Just one more quick question: What can you tell us about "Hollow Earth"?

I haven't looked at the "Hollow Earth" topic or place at all actually, so know nothing about it. I have, however, looked at the hollow moon, and the aliens who are buzzing around our moon too, plus the humans there. And can be most certain that the moon is an artificial and hollow-ish artificial construct. Hollow as in an office building being hollow, not one big hole, but compartmentalized and with communication corridors all through the inside. I decided to take a look after a member mentioned it, and at the same time a friend sent me Ingo Swan's book "Penetration". My experience of RV the moon was somewhat different to Ingo's. It appears that they now get visited regularly by ordinary folk doing RV, so now they have a type of "welcome room", at least one of the species does. I couldn't work out if there is just one species there or whether they are groups who have like "embassies" or "watching posts" there from different species. I haven't had the time to go back and investigate it further.

[Rosco1]

Hi Inelia,

What are these natural human gifts that we have been denied for so long ?

How do we regain the ability to use them ?

How can we use these abilities to overpower the elites ?

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

What are these natural human gifts that we have been denied for so long ?

How do we regain the ability to use them ?

How can we use these abilities to overpower the elites ?

A couple of them are the ability to communicate freely with anyone on the planet via telepathy, another is the ability to manifest what we want or need at will (not necessarily only from thin air, although there are individuals who can do this, but also through synchronicity events). Another is to see a wider spectrum of reality than we can at the moment (visually, with our physical eyes).
One way in which we can regain them is to identify the teachings, blocks and energy (or implanted) constructs in our bodies which are stopping us, and releasing them.

And with regard overpowering the elite, I would say that it's not what we are doing really, we are simply taking our agreement away from their statement that they have power over us. We are simply no longer agreeing that they have a right to say or dictate how we live on the planet. That is all.

[quench]

What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

[andywight]

Hi Inelia,
Please forgive me if this has already been addressed here, but I am very troubled by a post I read at the Ex Scientologist Message Board that you wrote in Jan 2008.


Something that might interest old timers. When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and my death was allegedly suicide but was not. I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.

I think I might have died at sea, but I can't be sure.

[Read post... (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760&page=3)] Edit: The forum.exscn.net site is down at the moment

Could you please set my mind at ease and explain to me why you now believe that this is your first reincarnation here. I too have been told that this is my first reincarnation on this planet.

Thanks in advance

Andy

[Rosco1]

Regarding the telepathy, I can do this to call down UFOs (they respond with very bright lights and appear in different parts of the sky – like giving me a display), although I can't get them to respond with words in my mind!
Also I cannot seem to get other people to respond to telepathy.

What am I doing wrong ?

I can see orbs with my eyes, they are blue, white silver, red or gold – so I guess I must be doing something right! lol

If we do your Ascension course (from your website) will this enable us to unblock the implants etc and gain back our natural gifts ?

Thanks for you help in this.

[Tangri]

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.

Thank you Inelia,

The answer I get is the one I have known my entire life- I am restricted. My question is why and to what end? What are we/our energy being harvested for? Why was it necessary for humans to be cut off from their natural abilities and what energy or force is behind this? I want so badly to leave here and exist in the freedom I have only dreamed of, and yet external forces keep me firmly in place. I do not understand the need to control other beings. Thank you very much for your help.

I think that the reason is their own lack of awareness and enslavement to the 3D construct as well as fear to what we are becoming. As we move out of this enslavement as a species, we can also direct our attention onto the beings who enslaved us eons ago (some say they are called Annunaki - I have not investigated it much personally), their level of awareness will lift too, and as they move out of our planet, there is also a possibility that their transition to releasing all planets that they have enslaved will have began also.

At the end of the day, for me anyway, it doesn't really matter why others do what they do. What matters is how we can stop whatever they do affecting us directly. We can regain these abilities, awareness, and knowing, and the seminars and work that Bill and I are embarking on is the exploration and co-creation of exactly this. We don't have all the answers individually, but as a large and expanding co-creative movement, we have a lot of them.

Problem is no memory about them. when we see them we remember but when we turn our heads other side we forget everything

[daledo]

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Hi, All:

Here is a most remarkable and inspiring story I would like to share. It leaves me speechless.


Chilean citizen Enrique Arancibia Clavel
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/rids/20110429/i/r3290878961.jpg?x=254&y=345&q=85&sig=FmrZ2.odCA8M_Uyfnsg7ow--

Chilean citizen Enrique Arancibia Clavel, who was an intelligence officer during the dictatorship of General Augusto Pinochet, is seen during his trial for the 1974 murder in Buenos Aires of Chilean General Carlos Prats and his wife Sofia Cuthbert, in this file photo taken in Buenos Aires on November 14, 2000. Arancibia Clavel, who had been convicted in Argentina for the murder of Chilean General Carlos Prats and has been on parole, was found dead on April 28, 2011, in Buenos Aires after receiving multiple stab wounds to the body, local media reported.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Most-Emailed-Photos-handout-image-provided-White-House-shows-copy-long-form-President/ss/1756/im:/110429/ids_photos_wl/r3290878961.jpg/

I saw this right after reading what you posted Bill... I don't know if this is related but this might be one of the murderers. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" Guess he didn't read this saying.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,
Please forgive me if this has already been addressed here, but I am very troubled by a post I read at the Ex Scientologist Message Board that you wrote in Jan 2008.


Something that might interest old timers. When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and my death was allegedly suicide but was not. I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.

I think I might have died at sea, but I can't be sure.

[Read post... (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760&page=3)]

Could you please set my mind at ease and explain to me why you now believe that this is your first reincarnation here. I too have been told that this is my first reincarnation on this planet.

Thanks in advance

Andy

Hi Andy,
Start reading from here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206718&viewfull=1#post206718

The topic of previous life memories is discussed quite widely in posts after that (not in the same page) and it is very important information.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who's first earthly incarnation is this one. There are also several thousands who are in the time/space matrix for the first time (including all other planets and dimensions).

[andywight]

Inelia, thanks for pointing me to that link and I apologize for taking up your time on something already discussed.



Hi Inelia,
Please forgive me if this has already been addressed here, but I am very troubled by a post I read at the Ex Scientologist Message Board that you wrote in Jan 2008.


Something that might interest old timers. When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and my death was allegedly suicide but was not. I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.

I think I might have died at sea, but I can't be sure.

[Read post... (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760&page=3)]

Could you please set my mind at ease and explain to me why you now believe that this is your first reincarnation here. I too have been told that this is my first reincarnation on this planet.

Thanks in advance

Andy

Hi Andy,
Start reading from here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206718&viewfull=1#post206718

The topic of previous life memories is discussed quite widely in posts after that (not in the same page) and it is very important information.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who's first earthly incarnation is this one. There are also several thousands who are in the time/space matrix for the first time (including all other planets and dimensions).

Unfortunately my mind was not eased by what I read.


My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Are you saying that you were in fact describing someone else's memory of a past life in your ESMB post?

Andy

[Inelia]

Inelia, thanks for pointing me to that link and I apologize for taking up your time on something already discussed.



Hi Inelia,
Please forgive me if this has already been addressed here, but I am very troubled by a post I read at the Ex Scientologist Message Board that you wrote in Jan 2008.


Something that might interest old timers. When I recalled that previous Scientology experience it was as an American man, or at least I had a lot of affinity for the country, and my death was allegedly suicide but was not. I had a red sports car and possibly a boat too and I think a wife (Jenny perhaps?) and think I might have been injured during WWII.

I think I might have died at sea, but I can't be sure.

[Read post... (http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=3760&page=3)]

Could you please set my mind at ease and explain to me why you now believe that this is your first reincarnation here. I too have been told that this is my first reincarnation on this planet.

Thanks in advance

Andy

Hi Andy,
Start reading from here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206718&viewfull=1#post206718

The topic of previous life memories is discussed quite widely in posts after that (not in the same page) and it is very important information.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who's first earthly incarnation is this one. There are also several thousands who are in the time/space matrix for the first time (including all other planets and dimensions).

Unfortunately my mind was not eased by what I read.


My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Are you saying that you were in fact describing someone else's memory of a past life in your ESMB post?

Andy

No. I strongly suggest you continue reading the thread, not just the one post. This topic has actually been covered quite extensively.

[Inelia]

Regarding the telepathy, I can do this to call down UFOs (they respond with very bright lights and appear in different parts of the sky – like giving me a display), although I can't get them to respond with words in my mind!
Also I cannot seem to get other people to respond to telepathy.

What am I doing wrong ?

I can see orbs with my eyes, they are blue, white silver, red or gold – so I guess I must be doing something right! lol

If we do your Ascension course (from your website) will this enable us to unblock the implants etc and gain back our natural gifts ?

Thanks for you help in this.

The course is not aimed at unblocking implants, but raising one's overall vibrational level (which will also expand one's abilities as a secondary effect). One exercise you can do to unblock is covered in this article:


The majority of individuals in human form have a firewall inserted in their field which stops them from doing self growth, ascension, or any other exercises that will help them achieve their ultimate evolutionary level.

This firewall is an energy construct which "feels" like a metallic implant somewhere in the body. It can, and does, get activated every time we try to meditate, learn OBEs, lucid dreaming, spiritual or psychic development, or any other form of communication with our higher self, guides, the divine, angels or whatever we want to call our entourage of helpers and supporters we have around us. And it appears that its very specific vibration can be triggered by external forces too.

The way to find if you have one of these firewalls is to complete the following sentence : "I do not meditate / process because______" .

Now, look at the answer, find the energy signature in the answer. Scan your body and find it. Now ask yourself the following:

"Did I put this firewall in my body?" If yes, then why? Was it voluntary or under duress? If not, then who did?

You may or may not get answers to these questions. However, the important things is that you found the firewall. Now, either remove it yourself and send it back to Source, or ask one of your guides or angels to remove it for you. Then fill the space left behind with light and love.

If you find resistance to removing the firewall, focus your attention on the resistance, it could be a backup program to ensure you don't get rid of the firewall. If you find one, proceed as above, then go back to the firewall.

After you are done, go ahead and meditate or process. If the same resistance comes up, do the exercise again. It might take a few goes, but it will eventually all be eliminated and you will be free do the exercises needed to reach your full potential in this lifetime.

Happy hunting :D

Inelia Benz

The block has firewalls itself too, such as "I can't see it", or "I can't do it". Then one locates that one first.

[Hervé]

[...] I am restricted. My question is why and to what end? [...]

May be your mom/dad/brother/teacher/friend/etc... scared the s**t out of you (might have been in a long gone past) and you decided "never to do it again." Like Inelia, when cutting herself off hummingbirds and withdrawing from their world:


As a young child, I was able to pick humming birds off the trees, they would let me, so I could stroke, talk and pet them. Then my mother told me that if I did that they would then die... I was never able to get close to them again.

The key word is "decided." That's a very good way, amongst others, to come to an agreement not to use one's own powers and abilities for whatever reason.

A simple false datum introduced into one's thinking and believed to be true, possible or artificially demonstrated and the monkey wrench got thrown in the cogs by ourselves, ultimately, simply because we "bought it" and... bye bye ability and skill.

Some sort of spiritual martial art... use the opponent's own power to throw him/her on the floor and biting dust. As the short of it boils down to one's integrity to oneself: one's own word to oneself "never to do that again."

Actually, one of those monkey wrenches is the argument around the monetization of spiritual abilities... black magicians couldn't have dreamt anything better than that to knock down the opposition.

[Rosco1]

WOW!!!

Thanks Inelia!

[andywight]

No. I strongly suggest you continue reading the thread, not just the one post. This topic has actually been covered quite extensively.

Inelia, with the up most respect, I still fail the see anything in this or any of your other posts that answers my original question.


My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

:noidea:


Are you saying that you were in fact describing someone else's memory of a past life in your ESMB post?

Were you?

Andy

[Bill Ryan]

Could you please set my mind at ease and explain to me why you now believe that this is your first reincarnation here. I too have been told that this is my first reincarnation on this planet.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=207845&viewfull=1#post207845

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208543&viewfull=1#post208543

[Rosco1]

Question for Inelia: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Bill ?

Question for Bill: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Inelia ?

[perfectresonance]

As a young child, I was able to pick humming birds off the trees, they would let me, so I could stroke, talk and pet them. Then my mother told me that if I did that they would then die... I was never able to get close to them again.

That makes me feel so sad!

I was walking along the beach some months ago, and out of nowhere a seagull landed in front of me. It walked a complete circle around me (about 1m away from my feet) and then took off.

It returned a minute later, and just stood there looking at me. I got to having a chat with it. After a while, I walked on.

It flew up, then down, then at my feet again, walked another circle around me. This time close enough for me to touch if I wanted to.

I decided to try and gently stroke it. It allowed me to do so.

It wasn't in any kind of hurry as we were there. Me, talking and petting and stroking its back and neck.

This took some time. I got over my amazement and was bored! So I finally walked on, leaving a very rejected looking seagull behind.

[loveandgratitude]

I have a MAGPIE LARK come every day into my house. Just walks casually in the door. It follows me everywhere. Flys up and sits on the back of my chair when I am on the computer. Walks over the top of my feet. Really cute. I tried to pick it up but does not allow this.
I just love the time I get to spend with my little feathered friend.

[andywight]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=207845&viewfull=1#post207845

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208543&viewfull=1#post208543

Bill thanks for the links.


In summary, there's a lot of misunderstanding here.

Some of that lack of understanding is being pushed and promoted deliberately by critics who want to attack those who also oppose the suppression on Planet Earth.

(Why would they do that, by the way?)

Other aspects of that lack of understanding can be forgiven. The metaphysical construct of what we call reality is pretty complex. If it was simple, all human beings would have had it all figured out long before now.

Your questions are easily answered, but this can't be done thoroughly in a few lines. It needs a seminar (like Sepia's on Enlightenment)

I hope I'm one of the Other aspects of that lack of understanding that can be forgiven.

I still don't understand, but thank you for pointing me towards Sepia's seminar on enlightenment, do you mean her thread "Enlightenment: Practical steps" or is she doing public seminars?


The body intelligence is its own entity. The body and the person have a positive symbiotic relationship. For example, when there's a walk-in, the body stays the same, but the person is someone else. Also, those people who are kept in life-support machines, some of them are "empty", no one home. Yet the body keeps going. This would not be possible if the body was dependent on its existence on the person who created it.

Again thanks for the link but this also doesn't bring me any closer to any kind of answer to my original question to Inelia.

It seems that I will have to wait for my answers from Inelia, which I'm sure she will graciously do for me when she returns to this thread.

Andy

[Inelia]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=207845&viewfull=1#post207845

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208543&viewfull=1#post208543

Bill thanks for the links.


In summary, there's a lot of misunderstanding here.

Some of that lack of understanding is being pushed and promoted deliberately by critics who want to attack those who also oppose the suppression on Planet Earth.

(Why would they do that, by the way?)

Other aspects of that lack of understanding can be forgiven. The metaphysical construct of what we call reality is pretty complex. If it was simple, all human beings would have had it all figured out long before now.

Your questions are easily answered, but this can't be done thoroughly in a few lines. It needs a seminar (like Sepia's on Enlightenment) about


I hope I'm one of the Other aspects of that lack of understanding that can be forgiven.

I still don't understand, but thank you for pointing me towards Sepia's seminar on enlightenment, do you mean her thread "Enlightenment: Practical steps" or is she doing public seminars?


The body intelligence is its own entity. The body and the person have a positive symbiotic relationship. For example, when there's a walk-in, the body stays the same, but the person is someone else. Also, those people who are kept in life-support machines, some of them are "empty", no one home. Yet the body keeps going. This would not be possible if the body was dependent on its existence on the person who created it.

Again thanks for the link but this also doesn't bring me any closer to any kind of answer to my original question to Inelia.

It seems that I will have to wait for my answers from Inelia, which I'm sure she will graciously answer for me when she returns to this thread.

Andy

Hi Andy, I guess you missed the answer. It was "No." As in, it was not "someone else memory", it was my body intelligence's memory. If I may say so, if the information in the thread about this topic does not resonate with you, there's really nothing I can do about that. It is not really my responsibility to get your understanding of what is being said, it's yours.

Just like the responsibility to understand things myself, is mine alone. Someone can explain till the sun don't shine why people hold on to their pain, but I still don't get it.

[Inelia]

Question for Inelia: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Bill ?

Question for Bill: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Inelia ?

Beautiful question. Very hard to give value to the lessons he has taught me and choose the most valued one because there are so many!!

I guess, at the moment, what is holding my awe the most is how he was able to reach and answer my questions at a level of understanding that took a personal transformation and expansion in himself in order to look for the answers. He has a lot of experience about human interaction, life and mechanics of existence as a singularity, which I don't. He was able to translate these into an energy form which I was able to "experience", thus understand.

[Bill Ryan]

Question for Inelia: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Bill ?

Question for Bill: What is the most valued lesson that you have learnt from Inelia ?

What a great couple of questions.

I have no idea if Inelia has learned anything from me!

One thing I've gained from Inelia (among much else) is inspiration from someone whose life has been in service from the very start, and is fearless. There have been many instances in Inelia's life where she has shown transcendent courage and principle, even as a tiny child. There's a whole collection of incidents in her life which are nothing like anything I've ever heard before. It's a little like listening to a Jedi Knight telling their life story. (And it's not just about light sabers. :) A great deal of it is about forgiveness, understanding, and non-retaliation.)

[andywight]

Hi Andy, I guess you missed the answer. It was "No." As in, it was not "someone else memory", it was my body intelligence's memory. If I may say so, if the information in the thread about this topic does not resonate with you, there's really nothing I can do about that. It is not really my responsibility to get your understanding of what is being said, it's yours.

Just like the responsibility to understand things myself, is mine alone. Someone can explain till the sun don't shine why people hold on to their pain, but I still don't get it.

Thanks Inelia, like you I guess I still don't get it.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm beating a dead horse here, but I can please only one person per day, today is not your day, tomorrow's not looking good either.

:kiss:

Andy

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Andy, I guess you missed the answer. It was "No." As in, it was not "someone else memory", it was my body intelligence's memory. If I may say so, if the information in the thread about this topic does not resonate with you, there's really nothing I can do about that. It is not really my responsibility to get your understanding of what is being said, it's yours.

Just like the responsibility to understand things myself, is mine alone. Someone can explain till the sun don't shine why people hold on to their pain, but I still don't get it.

Thanks Inelia, like you I guess I still don't get it.

I'm sorry if it seems that I'm beating a dead horse here, but I can please only one person per day, today is not your day, tomorrow's not looking good either.

:kiss:

Andy

Hi, Andy: it was the memory of her body intelligence. This is what Inelia is saying.

In the post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=207845&viewfull=1#post207845) which I quoted earlier in my first reply, I explained, although briefly, what the body intelligence is.

Another way of explaining this is that the body intelligence is a little like the engine management system of the car (= the body). It's not the driver. You're the driver.

What is not commonly understood is that this also reincarnates, and has memories of having managed previous bodies. So memories can get pretty tangled up sometimes if you (= soul or spirit) and your body intelligence have not been operating as a team together every lifetime.

It helps if you get along well, and understand one another, and can communicate well. It really is a teamwork thing.

The body will have different problems, hang-ups, concerns, preferences, anxieties and desires than you do as a god-like spiritual being. If you can support your body in the things it has attention on (like supporting a hard-working and loyal servant, which is what it essentially is), then it will repay you being a good 'manager' many times over.

Even if you came from Alpha Centauri, and have never been here before (or anywhere else, for that matter), you are still likely to team up with a body intelligence that is familiar with how things work "down here" and then the challenge is to form a good team as rapidly as possible. (That is not necessarily easy for either of you!)

The confusion about past lives is that the body intelligence has its own memories of everything it experienced in previous bodies - and they will feel like yours.

[Rosco1]

A great deal of it is about forgiveness, understanding, and non-retaliation.)[/QUOTE]



These are probably the hardest lessons for the unenlightened to learn!

Perseverance should see us all through with unconditional love (easier said than done)

[andywight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

Good night everyone

:yawn:

[Rosco1]

Hi Inelia & Bill

Do you believe in Angels ?

Or do you believe there are aliens who seem to us as angelic ?

Or both ?

(sorry for all the questions - just naturally curious)

[andrewgreen]

Regarding the question of why humanity lost its powers I read a very good book called 'Secret History of the World' by Jonathan Black. It basically maps human evolution from the perspective of the mystery schools.

According to the book humanity moved away from spirituality and the human connection to the 'gods' Zeus and Shiver et al and allowed the monotheistic belief system to dominate the world. This move into the dark ages was a necessary stage of human evolution to develop our individuality so we will have our own minds.

The next evolutionary stage is the returning of spirituality where the gods return and we will be able to stand shoulder to shoulder with them instead of being influenced. This I believe is the reason for people like Inelia coming to Earth at this time for us to remove the firewall and to connect with spirit again.

[Anchor]

Excellent question. And very good way of explaining the different types of symbiotic relationship between body and spirit.
From the explanation above, the one I would identify the most with is the walk-in at birth.

Thanks!

If I may, developing this line of thought on the basis that we assume you are the product of a walk-in event.

It does makes sense to me, as I understand that a walk-in of necessity has access to the memory complex of the newly inhabited body - it has to in order to be able to integrate socially - and thus "remembers" things that would not have happened directly to their own individual entity (the one that walked in on the newly vacated body).

Do you know at what age your body was before you "walked in" ?

From what I have read, normally trauma is involved that can cause temporary death, during which the walk-in process happens but it doesn't have to be that way. To an onlooker, the revived body assumes a completely different personality - which is often hard for them to understand.

Can you remember if this happened?

My understanding is that bodies that are used for walk-in are prepared by a custodian soul and allowed to mature, so that the walking in soul does not have to do the "childhood" phase. All of this would be done under free-will in accordance with pre-incarnational and pre-walkin contract.

I don't think I met a walk-in before !

John..

[David Topí]

Regarding the telepathy, I can do this to call down UFOs (they respond with very bright lights and appear in different parts of the sky – like giving me a display), although I can't get them to respond with words in my mind!
Also I cannot seem to get other people to respond to telepathy.

What am I doing wrong ?

I can see orbs with my eyes, they are blue, white silver, red or gold – so I guess I must be doing something right! lol

If we do your Ascension course (from your website) will this enable us to unblock the implants etc and gain back our natural gifts ?

Thanks for you help in this.

The course is not aimed at unblocking implants, but raising one's overall vibrational level (which will also expand one's abilities as a secondary effect). One exercise you can do to unblock is covered in this article:


The majority of individuals in human form have a firewall inserted in their field which stops them from doing self growth, ascension, or any other exercises that will help them achieve their ultimate evolutionary level.

This firewall is an energy construct which "feels" like a metallic implant somewhere in the body. It can, and does, get activated every time we try to meditate, learn OBEs, lucid dreaming, spiritual or psychic development, or any other form of communication with our higher self, guides, the divine, angels or whatever we want to call our entourage of helpers and supporters we have around us. And it appears that its very specific vibration can be triggered by external forces too.

The way to find if you have one of these firewalls is to complete the following sentence : "I do not meditate / process because______" .

Now, look at the answer, find the energy signature in the answer. Scan your body and find it. Now ask yourself the following:

"Did I put this firewall in my body?" If yes, then why? Was it voluntary or under duress? If not, then who did?

You may or may not get answers to these questions. However, the important things is that you found the firewall. Now, either remove it yourself and send it back to Source, or ask one of your guides or angels to remove it for you. Then fill the space left behind with light and love.

If you find resistance to removing the firewall, focus your attention on the resistance, it could be a backup program to ensure you don't get rid of the firewall. If you find one, proceed as above, then go back to the firewall.

After you are done, go ahead and meditate or process. If the same resistance comes up, do the exercise again. It might take a few goes, but it will eventually all be eliminated and you will be free do the exercises needed to reach your full potential in this lifetime.

Happy hunting :D

Inelia Benz

The block has firewalls itself too, such as "I can't see it", or "I can't do it". Then one locates that one first.

I did this exercise a few weeks ago (I saw it on your blog) and found it on the palatine uvula, the moment I remove it, I had to go to the bathroom and start coughing like hell to release a huge amount of energy. However, after that I had not felt anything special.

But I believe (IMO) that removing the blocks is not enough to recover our abilities (at least for the normal "human" average person :-)). I have removed blocks from myself for long time in all chakras, aura, energy channels, the physical body (specially the pineal gland) and the feeling was that after that, I could then work again to regain my abilities. But they do not come "naturally", you have to work them out.

It seemed to me that the gym analogy was a good example to understand it. It is like trying to lift weight with your hand tied with a rope to your leg. After many years you forget to use that hand, it loses its strengh, has not power, no ability. Removing the block is the same as cutting the ropes, but the hand is still weak, it is impossible to start lifting weight right after. You need then to start a long and sometimes painful training to regain the natural power you had. This is what I feel now with our supressed talents, the only thing I can see is that I feel I have an "enhanced" intuition, but far from being the powerful human we all have been in the past.

However, if we do not remove implants and energetic blocks and restrictions, we can never regain the power, but it simply does not come back automatically (to me at least), it needs a lot of HARD work, meditation, exercises, etc, etc. Just my two cents, what do you think? :-)

[Moonwish]

Bill,

I have been a lurker on your site for years.

You have helped me personally with the huge amount of information you have brought to light.

Quite frankly, I hate soap operas and we seem to be living one recently.

I think my best advice to both you and Inelia is to enjoy life and let this go.

I see why people are upset as an "outside" observer, but I also see where you are coming from.

This idea that being in media means you have to account for everything seems like a double-standard.

Many of us have much to account for. I'm not kissing your ass, just stating the facts. (Can we say that word on the forum?)

I am a hard customer, by most accounts.

Live your lives. Good luck with your seminars. I agree that people have the right to question.


You don't have to answer for everything. Not your job.

[giovonni]

From John (Anchor)

"My understanding is that bodies that are used for walk-in are prepared by a custodian soul and allowed to mature, so that the walking in soul does not have to do the "childhood" phase. All of this would be done under free-will in accordance with pre-incarnational and pre-walkin contract.

I don't think I met a walk-in before !

John.. "

Well in a way you have ~ cos i am a walk in my Friend :)

i can't speak for all walk ins, but in my personal situation ~ it was initiated between the incarnations of a previous life (during a life review) under total agreement (free will).
Note, i have never heard the custodian soul phrase before...that's an interesting term? Note the entity consciousness that occupied this (my) body before i came in ~ might beg to differ perhaps... The original entity consciousness (according to the cellular memories i inherited), had apparently occupied it for many lives before i entered.

For all due purposes now, we are one and the same. Note, my mission (contract), was to come into (i entered during a by-pass surgery when the body was temporary put on a life support machine), this body and assist in initiating a detachment and (commence) a healing from an ancient soul group. The other part of my mission is personal and private. But i will say part of it, (like the rest of you) was to be here in the now :)

Sorry Inelia and Bill, did not mean to intrude, but a lot of what Inelia has related here resonates strongly with me.

Gio

[bashi]

Hi Inelia,
i said


Here on Avalon you claim that you a bretharian, that you can survive without food and that you are only eating because you like it.

When I asked you, I had your own statements in mind. Not the one of another person.
But you answered:



I have never stated I am a breatherian. You must have me confused with someone else.



For a start: If transforming your body gradually into a breatharian vehicle, then you reach a point where eating becomes unnecessary. That transformation process is profound and one you did that, you will never forget this important personal transition. From there you can choose to live without food or to come back and start eating again.

You are describing to be a Breatharian by birth and later to have reached that point again in a post just 3 weeks ago here:



I do still eat. But only by choice. As a child I did not need to eat, but it freaked my parents and they force fed me.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18116-Eating-animal-products-will-shut-down-your-dna&p=194860&viewfull=1#post194860

and then


We were given a digestive system to get nourishment from living things around us. We were also given other systems to get nourishment from energy sources other than animals and plants. This does require a long period of adjustment, it's not like we can stop eating one day and start using the other systems immediately. The one I used was sungazing, and it wasn't done with the intention of not eating, it was done with the intention of giving my body a hand with health issues. When I started needing less and less food, I was ok with it. But when I woke up one day and was presented with the choice of not needing to eat at all (just drink fluids), I declined because I find eating to be pleasurable.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18116-Eating-animal-products-will-shut-down-your-dna&p=196003&viewfull=1#post196003

That gives at least the impression that you are a technically a Breatharian, but do not exercise the option by choice.

In line with above quotes, how is it possible that now you think to have been mistaken by me for another person?

Something does not add up here...


BTW: Your are wrong that you can reach that breatharian modus only gradually, over a longer time period. In fact you can do the essentials in just 3 weeks.
I have done that more than once, as described here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19855 (Unfortunately it got mutilated - without the pics - but the essential info is still there)

So, I know what I am talking about....

[Anchor]

Gio,

That is cool. Thanks for fronting up this information.


Note, i have never heard the custodian soul phrase before...that's an interesting term? Note the entity consciousness that occupied this (my) body before i came in ~ might beg to differ perhaps... The original entity consciousness (according to the cellular memories i inherited), had apparently occupied it for many lives before i entered.

That is because I made it up. Sorry if it sounded "official" - so lets clarify that right now, it isnt.

Our bodies would do fine as the 2nd density beings that they are without us riding along. They would be beautiful creatures of instinct. However, the way things work out those souls taking incarnation get to inhabit the human form for the experience offered. I needed to find a term to describe the first soul in the process, I could have said stand-in/temporary owner and custodian is probably a wrong term because we are all custodians of our bodies.

Thanks for that.

Good luck with your mission.

Personally I believe myself to be a wanderer incarnated in order to help out here and there ;)

John..

[7eagle14]

...
So, I know what I am talking about....[/COLOR][/SIZE]

It seems to be important to you that Inelia say the phrase, "You've got me. I'm really a breatharian." Is the title really that important?
I've gone without food for 4 months yet I don't claim to be a breatharian. I try to act like a good person yet don't claim to be one. Are names truly that important?

If Inelia has described behavior you identify with and value, isn't that a good thing?
Is it really worth a long debate if she doesn't ascribe a particular title or put a particular name to it?

[Bill Ryan]

(lots more stuff in large font and bold colors)

Bashi, a breatharian is "a person who believes that it is possible to subsist healthily on air alone".
http://thefreedictionary.com/breatharian

An infant who doesn't seem to need to eat is an infant who doesn't seem to need to eat. They're not believing or standing for or trying to do anything.

It's true that Inelia's body isn't that physically strong. She needs to take good care of it.

At the same time, she often sets the alarm on her cellphone to remind her to eat - otherwise she forgets. I've witnessed this many times.

She doesn't have exactly the same relationship with food as you or I do. But this topic isn't even worth talking about - compared with what there is to talk about.

[Moonwish]

(lots more stuff in large font and bold colors)

Bashi, a breatharian is "a person who believes that it is possible to subsist healthily on air alone".
http://thefreedictionary.com/breatharian

An infant who doesn't seem to need to eat is an infant who doesn't seem to need to eat. They're not believing or standing for or trying to do anything.

It's true that Inelia's body isn't that physically strong. She needs to take good care of it.

At the same time, she often sets the alarm on her cellphone to remind her to eat - otherwise she forgets. I've witnessed this many times.

She doesn't have exactly the same relationship with food as you or I do. But this topic isn't even worth talking about - compared with what there is to talk about.



To eat or not is one thing, perhaps dealing with our "physcalness".

I agree there are more important things to discuss at the moment.

What, in our present physical self, are we each doing to evolve ourselves and help our mother earth?


Do any other questions rank at the moment? We are in a crunch point.

[katewilliams79]

Hi Bill, Inelia;
My question (if it hasn't already been answered) is: how can we recognise what is our current incarnation's "body intelligence" and that which belongs to previous incarnations and, once recognised/processed/understood, can we release the negative energies surrounding those experiences? (Please delete my question if it has been answered in another thread; I'm still learning and hope that my question is of some value here.) Thank you both for your time.


Hi Andy, I guess you missed the answer. It was "No." As in, it was not "someone else memory", it was my body intelligence's memory. If I may say so, if the information in the thread about this topic does not resonate with you, there's really nothing I can do about that. It is not really my responsibility to get your understanding of what is being said, it's yours.

Just like the responsibility to understand things myself, is mine alone. Someone can explain till the sun don't shine why people hold on to their pain, but I still don't get it.

Thanks Inelia, like you I guess I still don't get it.

I'm sorry if it seems that I'm beating a dead horse here, but I can please only one person per day, today is not your day, tomorrow's not looking good either.

:kiss:

Andy

Hi, Andy: it was the memory of her body intelligence. This is what Inelia is saying.

In the post of mine (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=207845&viewfull=1#post207845) which I quoted earlier in my first reply, I explained, although briefly, what the body intelligence is.

Another way of explaining this is that the body intelligence is a little like the engine management system of the car (= the body). It's not the driver. You're the driver.

What is not commonly understood is that this also reincarnates, and has memories of having managed previous bodies. So memories can get pretty tangled up sometimes if you (= soul or spirit) and your body intelligence have not been operating as a team together every lifetime.

It helps if you get along well, and understand one another, and can communicate well. It really is a teamwork thing.

The body will have different problems, hang-ups, concerns, preferences, anxieties and desires than you do as a god-like spiritual being. If you can support your body in the things it has attention on (like supporting a hard-working and loyal servant, which is what it essentially is), then it will repay you being a good 'manager' many times over.

Even if you came from Alpha Centauri, and have never been here before (or anywhere else, for that matter), you are still likely to team up with a body intelligence that is familiar with how things work "down here" and then the challenge is to form a good team as rapidly as possible. (That is not necessarily easy for either of you!)

The confusion about past lives is that the body intelligence has its own memories of everything it experienced in previous bodies - and they will feel like yours.

[bilko]

Ok, i'm going to put this video here from my main man Dan Mcdonald, the life regenerator.
I remember Inelia talking about gratitude changing the energy of the food when you eat meat.
Even though Dan is a raw vegan ( at the moment ) He demonstrates very well what Inelia was saying.
The video is 10 minutes long and well worth a watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wpm00u0QUI&feature=feedu

[9eagle9]

Is there a post on the forum that goes more in depth into Body Memory as it referred to in this context? Is there a body of information where the mechanics of it is explained more in depth?

[bearcow]

Im not 100% sure what bill and inelia mean by body intelligence, but to me it basically sounds like what the taoists call the po. It is the sub-conscious intelligence that is in charge of your breathing, heart beat, instinctual visceral responses that are often centered in the solar plexus, and other various responses relegated below the threshold of waking consciousness related with corresponding nerve ganglia in the body. When someone develops a skill through repetition, such as playing the piano, typing at a fast rate, or learning to do multiplication equations without real effort, that skill functions at a level below the threshold of waking consciousness and has become a "gong" or acquired skill. I assume this is what they mean by body intelligence.

Please correct me if i misunderstand what you are referring to guys

[pinkfrost]

Has the video Bill and Inelia produced (and a portion pre-screened by mods) been released? I haven't been able to log in as much lately as I would like; and I was looking forward to that info. Would like to see it if it is available and where I could find it. Forgive me if it's redundant but I couldn't find it from search. Thanks in advance.

[Roseheart]

If we entertain the idea that we exist simultaneously in different lives/timelines which all learn and are affected by eachother then, it's not so hard to wrap ones head around the idea that our body has a consciousness that is connected and interacting as well... in each life/timeline... well, you can try to wrap your head around it...

[Inelia]

Hi Bill, Inelia;
My question (if it hasn't already been answered) is: how can we recognise what is our current incarnation's "body intelligence" and that which belongs to previous incarnations and, once recognised/processed/understood, can we release the negative energies surrounding those experiences? (Please delete my question if it has been answered in another thread; I'm still learning and hope that my question is of some value here.) Thank you both for your time.

Excellent question, and very important. I don't think it has been asked like this.

One way the distinction can be made, is by identifying the issue/memory/feeling, simply looking at it for a while without judgment or analysis. Then asking "is this mine?", "is this my body's?" "is it external?" and then dealing with it accordingly. The processes we can use are so many that its impossible to list. But I prefer the ones which deal with them at an energetic level. Like the Firewall exercise I posted earlier in this thread (can't seem to find it!).

[andywight]

Is there a post on the forum that goes more in depth into Body Memory as it referred to in this context? Is there a body of information where the mechanics of it is explained more in depth?

Thanks 9eagle9, excellent questions.

I would also like to ask some additional questions, if I may.

Where did this Body Memory/Intelligence theory Originate from? and would it be possible for you to provide some links to where one could study this or maybe buy/download literature on this interesting subject?

[Nate]

Inelia,

Thank you for answering my questions. You have given us great advice on how to keep the ego in check on our journies by having us realize that any unique gifts we obtain are not from us, but from the source!

I now understand the saying, "As full and bright as I am, this light is not my own".

It is my opinion that in order to maintain and accelerate our path towards awakening it is important to help others along the way. To give back to the source, if you will, in order to raise our frequency and that of those around us.

Sometimes the source provides us with subtle yet somewhat obvious clues on the the way to provide service to others. For example, if you're downtown London and find 20 quid laying on the ground outside of a restaurant with a homeless man or woman sitting 10 meters away, the proper thing to do would be to offer them a meal (Or perhaps like my younger self did 10 years ago- Pocket the 20 and give them 10)

Yet, often there are not such clues and we must be proactive in finding ways to positively provide service to others, and thus ultimately, ourselves.

For those of us who are yet able to project ourselves into the spirit realm to provide assistance where it is needed, what are some of the ways in which we can proactively raise the vibrations of others? Is it as simple as to pay attention to the subtle clues while we are in higher states of mind and ask our spirit "entourage" for ways in which we can help, and to open the door for the elderly when we are not in such states?

Ex animo

[Inelia]

Inelia,

Thank you for answering my questions. You have given us great advice on how to keep the ego in check on our journies by having us realize that any unique gifts we obtain are not from us, but from the source!

I now understand the saying, "As full and bright as I am, this light is not my own".

It is my opinion that in order to maintain and accelerate our path towards awakening it is important to help others along the way. To give back to the source, if you will, in order to raise our frequency and that of those around us.

Sometimes the source provides us with subtle yet somewhat obvious clues on the the way to provide service to others. For example, if you're downtown London and find 20 quid laying on the ground outside of a restaurant with a homeless man or woman sitting 10 meters away, the proper thing to do would be to offer them a meal (Or perhaps like my younger self did 10 years ago- Pocket the 20 and give them 10)

Yet, often there are not such clues and we must be proactive in finding ways to positively provide service to others, and thus ultimately, ourselves.

For those of us who are yet able to project ourselves into the spirit realm to provide assistance where it is needed, what are some of the ways in which we can proactively raise the vibrations of others? Is it as simple as to pay attention to the subtle clues while we are in higher states of mind and ask our spirit "entourage" for ways in which we can help, and to open the door for the elderly when we are not in such states?

Ex animo

Great points. Thank you.

If I may add, when someone is in need of support and help because they have suffered a great loss, for example, we can indeed do practical things to support them. But the pain of loss needs to be felt. However, we can also embrace them in light and love... this does cause a lessening of the deep pain, making it bearable.
In my opinion, if someone is in a low vibration because they are addicted to it, or because they are asleep, then we can communicate directly to their higher self and offer assistance there. Free will remains intact. We can also raise the vibration of areas, groups etc.. Simply by focusing our attention on them, and allowing the divine source force to come through us and do whatever it knows to do best.

[Inelia]

Is there a post on the forum that goes more in depth into Body Memory as it referred to in this context? Is there a body of information where the mechanics of it is explained more in depth?

Thanks 9eagle9, excellent questions.

I would also like to ask some additional questions, if I may.

Where did this Body Memory/Intelligence theory Originate from? and would it be possible for you to provide some links to where one could study this or maybe buy/download literature on this interesting subject?

On a general scholastic scale, there are many accounts and names for this theory in the world. You will find very good explanations in eastern religious texts, and I was told that Kinesiologists work under this theory too (I can't vouch for it as I never checked it out). Personally speaking, I came to this knowledge as I "met" the body intelligence during the birth of the body. It's karmic planetary path was at an end, it was "his" (I am thinking that before they go into a new body, they look like their previous incarnation - in this case male - as I do not have personal experience of incarnating multiple times, I can only go by what I have researched) last life and that life would only last a few hours, days at most. As the human "soul" left, the body intelligence was asked if he could possibly stick around a few more decades to do this work. To which he, reluctantly, agreed.

I do understand that the account above is very subjective in nature, and proves nothing. In response to that, all I can say is that each one of us can actually ask the body if it is indeed an independent intelligent being, whether we have shared previous lives before, and also to give us some input on the positive symbiotic relationship we have with it.

Like I have stated in previous posts, whenever I have a theory of my own, or read of an interesting and probable one, I like to test it myself. It is, in my opinion, the best and fastest way to get factual information :)

[Inelia]

What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

Hi quench,

I am not very familiar with dream analysis or work. One of my old friends was a dream worker, and she helped thousands of people with her work. It was really, truly amazing to see. From what she told me, dreams come in various forms. For example, lucid dreaming can be used to jump into the astral and travel around the planet, share dreams with others and more. Other dreams are our unconscious self communicating issues to us, others are simply entertaining. I am also thinking that dreams are a way to connect to the human collective consciousness.

But, others in this forum are much more capable and knowledgeable about this topic and I would ask them to jump in and expand on it. It is truly fascinating.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia & Bill

Do you believe in Angels ?

Or do you believe there are aliens who seem to us as angelic ?

Or both ?

(sorry for all the questions - just naturally curious)

I would say both, personally speaking. With regard the aliens, I think some alien species very much portrayed themselves as angelic beings. Now, what the ones which are not aliens really are, that's a huge dialogue! One of my best friends is very much in communication with angels, and when I am with her, I see she has wings herself and that indeed she is surrounded by angels. I would suggest reading Doreen Virtue's books on angels, she's got some good stuff in them.

My personal take on the form that our entourage takes, including angels, very much depends on our cultural background. Our minds will create a form which is familiar to us, we can understand, means something to us and we can communicate with very easily. What form they take (if any), and what we call them (if anything), is up to each one of us.

[Inelia]

Excellent question. And very good way of explaining the different types of symbiotic relationship between body and spirit.
From the explanation above, the one I would identify the most with is the walk-in at birth.

Thanks!

If I may, developing this line of thought on the basis that we assume you are the product of a walk-in event.

It does makes sense to me, as I understand that a walk-in of necessity has access to the memory complex of the newly inhabited body - it has to in order to be able to integrate socially - and thus "remembers" things that would not have happened directly to their own individual entity (the one that walked in on the newly vacated body).

Do you know at what age your body was before you "walked in" ?

From what I have read, normally trauma is involved that can cause temporary death, during which the walk-in process happens but it doesn't have to be that way. To an onlooker, the revived body assumes a completely different personality - which is often hard for them to understand.

Can you remember if this happened?

My understanding is that bodies that are used for walk-in are prepared by a custodian soul and allowed to mature, so that the walking in soul does not have to do the "childhood" phase. All of this would be done under free-will in accordance with pre-incarnational and pre-walkin contract.

I don't think I met a walk-in before !

John..

My body did not die. I do remember that it had that choice/path and that I/we had to ask its permission and request it stay alive. The human "custodian soul" did leave at birth. The body had a faulty heart and liver, which "I" fixed to a minimum functioning level. Years later I fixed the heart completely so I could carry a pregnancy to term, which the doctors had highly recommended I not do as I would probably not survive it.

From what I've heard, a lot of the walk-ins do happen after/during a trauma. But I have met at least one lady for whom this was not the case. In her case, it was during a spiritual awakening exercise.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

You might want to check out Dream Yoga and the Practice of Natural Light by Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche

http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Practice-Natural-Light-Revised/dp/1559391618/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1304398190&sr=8-2

and

Where People Fly and Water Runs Uphill by Jeremy Taylor

http://www.amazon.com/Dream-Practice-Natural-Light-Revised/dp/1559391618/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1304398190&sr=8-2

These two excellent books both offer different perspectives on dreams, the first from a slightly mystical angle and the second having more emphasis on dream analysis as a tool for growth.

[perfectresonance]

Im not 100% sure what bill and inelia mean by body intelligence, but to me it basically sounds like what the taoists call the po. It is the sub-conscious intelligence that is in charge of your breathing, heart beat, instinctual visceral responses that are often centered in the solar plexus, and other various responses relegated below the threshold of waking consciousness related with corresponding nerve ganglia in the body. When someone develops a skill through repetition, such as playing the piano, typing at a fast rate, or learning to do multiplication equations without real effort, that skill functions at a level below the threshold of waking consciousness and has become a "gong" or acquired skill. I assume this is what they mean by body intelligence.

Please correct me if i misunderstand what you are referring to guys

It's cool to kick this around; it allows others to increase their understanding too. Never forget the lurkers ;)

What you describe is, in my mind "muscle memory" Wiki (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMuscle_memory&ei=M4m_Tf2CKeHjiAKUuNWDAw&usg=AFQjCNHAPdxvu52WT37s17Ih5-OmRBnr1w)

[Anchor]

Inelia,

thanks for answering my questions. You are making perfect sense to me :)

John..

[Nate]

In my opinion, if someone is in a low vibration because they are addicted to it, or because they are asleep, then we can communicate directly to their higher self and offer assistance there. Free will remains intact.

What are some ways in which to communicate directly with their higher self? Is it possible to ethically bypass their firewalls, ego and the like without their lower-vibrating consciousnesses needing to be present and aware... All while preserving their free will? I often face this stumbling block as I give up on most people because I deem it their free will to not want such help. More times than not I regret giving up so easily, as I deem others' apathy as a reflection of my own commitment.

Much thanks for yet more splendid advice from you :)

I hope I'm not being too selfish in "picking" your brain/soul/spirit.

I am a student.

[David Topí]

What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

Hi quench,

I am not very familiar with dream analysis or work. One of my old friends was a dream worker, and she helped thousands of people with her work. It was really, truly amazing to see. From what she told me, dreams come in various forms. For example, lucid dreaming can be used to jump into the astral and travel around the planet, share dreams with others and more. Other dreams are our unconscious self communicating issues to us, others are simply entertaining. I am also thinking that dreams are a way to connect to the human collective consciousness.

But, others in this forum are much more capable and knowledgeable about this topic and I would ask them to jump in and expand on it. It is truly fascinating.

About this topic, some people are Dream Masters. These are the people that during their own dreaming time, assist others in learning valuable lessons in the astral. Essentially, souls can choose to have experiences in the astral so they can learn and grow, rather than having them here in the physical. Dream Masters assist them by playing part in these experiences. For example, someone might need to have a learning experience about betrayal, so, in their dream, they experience being betrayed. A Dream master will be playing an important role here so the soul learns the lesson without having to manifest it in their physical lifetime.

This is why, for what I have seen, may people who are Dream masters are restless sleepers many times, and also have very vivid and interesting dreams, although not always their owns, they are simply being part of someone else’s dreams performing a service.

[jcocks]

Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....

[sdafnom]

What is a dream? Is it your imagination or stuff happening on another "plane" (not sure which word to use)?

Hi quench,

I am not very familiar with dream analysis or work. One of my old friends was a dream worker, and she helped thousands of people with her work. It was really, truly amazing to see. From what she told me, dreams come in various forms. For example, lucid dreaming can be used to jump into the astral and travel around the planet, share dreams with others and more. Other dreams are our unconscious self communicating issues to us, others are simply entertaining. I am also thinking that dreams are a way to connect to the human collective consciousness.

But, others in this forum are much more capable and knowledgeable about this topic and I would ask them to jump in and expand on it. It is truly fascinating.

Hello Quench, Inelia,

I believe all of the above are true in some sense.
My personal view (just a theory) is that sleep is a multilayer / multifunction connection with the oneness (for a lack of better word).
And since imaging / symbolism is a universal language, dreams are an excellent way for message conveying.

If we imagine that dream-state is, a 3-tier connection of our consciousness to the higher-self(s) and the collective, for information exchange, then the actual dream depends on what needs to be communicate between all three levels.

For example if our consciousness transmits a certain experience to our higher self(s), and he/she/it wants to reply a specific message, the dream is specific and based around that experience.

Another example would be dream-sharing with your parallel self(s), which is You again but the surroundings / persons are unknown to your consciousness.

And yet another one would be that the collective conveys a message to your consciousness. Those are the most confusing / difficult to interpret dreams.

If you add to the mix the stages of sleep (non REM) and the body intelligence (most physical growth/repeating happens there), I am tempted to say that a whole lot more takes place during sleep than when we are awake.

Any thoughts are welcome

Stavros

[777]

Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

[9eagle9]

Yes I use kinesiology along with the use of SCM (subsconscious cellular memory). I was curious what context you were employing it in as there is a basic premise to it, which other methodologies have sprung off from. I had speculated that an agreement had been made there since most of our contracts and agreements are found in this way--most of them of not very SELF serving as you have made mention of repeatedly. Its a popular method of lifting out repressed memories.emotion/trauma conditioning as the cellular rotation of individual body cells are altered that causes any sort of emotional embedding, repression from this and other lifetimes. Because it manifests on a cellular level one's physical appearance is often altered as well. Mine has been. And basically the practice has saved my life. Or rather my quality of life. It its also the basis for ensuring that we are not influenced by much of anything. Keeping the practice intact along with other meaningful alternative healing modalities has been one of the challenges of my life time.

And basically I think its more than important to merit a thread of its own because there are so many methods of extraction some of them complex some of them so easy that people doubt them. And because that is also all tied up into our core belief and values system and whatever process someone has underway at any given time. I believe it merits some highlighting on its own. It is becoming more popular.

I would be equally curious to ask why you retain the body memory that you have described?. It is serving you/ a purpose in some fashion, correct? Because there is so much material presented I may have overlooked where you lifted out this body memory...?

Now for the bite side. Understand its not your account I am questioning, ones experience is one's own. I can't deny that walk ins exist, and I would be making myself a hypocrite if I denied that 10d (among others) energies exist. I was raised by a walk in and realizing that through SCM was part of my own healing process .

When you get right down to it one's past is irrelevant to the now save for how we tend to carry crud over from previous experiences. Once those are lifted, the question of the past in regards to tripping us up in the now becomes irrelevant. Because then you are finally able to arrive in a place where you can work in the now and the present unimpeded as the past is no longer influencing us.

In all fairness Inelia, I wouldn't be doing your or anyone else any favors by not mentioning this. People who state they are walk ins are closely scrutinized by those who practice negative energy extraction (exorcism) and body memory--it composes a great deal of that practice of extraction and removing influence. I maintain that a great deal of the population are ' possessed' by their own issues and body memory extraction is a valuable way to free people from what ails them. For us on a collective sense and individual one. And those issues are what external influences are able to attach to if they are allowed to remain in place. It is a form of system busting all on it's own. Hugely valuable.

The reason you will be scrutinized is probably a reason I needn't make you aware of, because there are walk ins that walk ins that are not exactly of the highest good. So you will come under a great deal of scrutiny. And with that , you will be challenged to answer some questions that may be hard to answer because the very premise of body memory presents those challenges in regards to your situation. ESPECIALLY if one is a walk in. It creates a unique scenario which will also bring in some unique questioning. Not by the general populace, or alternative media persay, you will encounter challenges from the alternative and holistic medicine community. I believe you stated you weren't a healer per say and that is where you will receive the most challenging scrutiny of all. And poses a challenge all on its own.


I suppose I am confused between 'coming into this world with this knowledge' (of body memory?) versus the research, testing or reading on theories of it you've done.

Be careful of the theories. Especially if you are stating you are a walk in AND promoting this method of extraction. It is a healing modality and a popular one it is coming more into the mainstream everyday and that brings with it, its own unique challenges as the PTB eyeball everything and look for a way to fumfoozle it from what it really means to be. As I noted earlier that has been my challenge in life keep beneficial therapies in tact and there are unwitting agents of the ptb everywhere looking to distort them to the point they are no longer effective. One could say that is where my own abilities come into play, finding where things have been artificially influenced.

I'm not suggesting you are looking to distort this practice, but the practice itself has been loaded with minefields like any other alternative or holistic means of extraction. I have to be honest here, and speak to you on the highest level of integrity without political correctness as a spiritual equal. You are as you have expressed yourself well equipped to cope with this sort of discourse and I'd be patronizing if I approached you in any other way or tried to soft coat it or namby pampy it down.

Beliefs are flawed and they nearly always contradict, oppose and even cancel themselves at some point. I already understand that I will not be winning any popularity contests by lending you this cautionary note, but I've managed to live without a tiara all these years. (he he)

At this point I have already ID'd a few different ways that presenting body memory or SCM would or could not only fail to support you but cast you in a very unflattering light. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will note this and some people may not lend the cautionary note that I'm lending but attack you and you may find yourself between a rock and a hard place one that is unprecedented to rebutt based on the very nature of yourself. I'm not doing this intentionally, but to bring it to your attention. It just my own experience and knowingness of the subject folding over the way it does in a diagnostic sort of way-- I've already ID'd several challenging questions that you may not be equipped to answer and they are questions that people will ask concerning this, as one's consciousness and spirit are certainly worth heavy duty questioning. Better to get ones fly zipped in a safe place (here in PA) before venturing out into an already hostile world, because I do feel this will draw a great deal of attention to you and Bill both.

It is a valuable 'medicine'. I agree that it proves nothing but on the same note that is filled with its own perils , it can also be a basis to disprove you as well in regards to your own personal situation and experience.

Scrutinize carefully.

Thank you for your response, Inelia . I would personally like to see a thread on things of this the various methods of body memory perhaps in the healing forum I do think it is that valuable a practice.

[Yoda]

Inelia, you bring such a nice flavour to this reality. I find, after reading several of your posts, that I can practicaly taste your "TONE". Would you be able to inspire one of the moderators to collect your "Q and A" into one thread?
Pierre

[sheddie]

In reply to your post 415...it's too long to reply with quote :)

Thank you 9eagle9, I agree a thread on this subject alone would be much appreciated as it is something that interests me a great deal, as I am sure it does many others.

A few posts back I asked about body intelligence as I was confused, I thank you Inelia and Bill for your replies. I am glad to have had the chance to re visit this subject as your answers did not fully clear my confusion.

I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

Has this ever been a problem for you Inelia?

I would be very interested to know as it would provide a different perspective and I am always ready and willing to learn new things especially if they reasonate with me.

Many thanks

[andywight]

At this point I have already ID'd a few different ways that presenting body memory or SCM would or could not only fail to support you but cast you in a very unflattering light. I'm sure I'm not the only one who will note this and some people may not lend the cautionary note that I'm lending but attack you and you may find yourself between a rock and a hard place one that is unprecedented to rebutt based on the very nature of yourself. I'm not doing this intentionally, but to bring it to your attention. It just my own experience and knowingness of the subject folding over the way it does in a diagnostic sort of way-- I've already ID'd several challenging questions that you may not be equipped to answer and they are questions that people will ask concerning this, as one's consciousness and spirit are certainly worth heavy duty questioning. Better to get ones fly zipped in a safe place (here in PA) before venturing out into an already hostile world, because I do feel this will draw a great deal of attention to you and Bill both.

Thank you 9eagle9, at last someone able to explain this fascinating subject who doesn't make you feel that you're too unenlightened to understand what they cannot adequately explain themselves.
:clap2:

[Inelia]

Hi 9eagle9,

Thank you for your thoughts and clarifications: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=210358&viewfull=1#post210358

With regard being scrutinized, not a problem for me at all. I am not here to "convince" people of "truths" but simply share my personal journey as well as what tools and knowings I have come across that have helped me and others. If there is something I don't understand, I say so. If there's something I don't know about, or not equipped to answer I say so :) Not a problem.

People can take my personal opinions and knowings into their lives or leave it, just like everything else on the planet. I have no attachment to either response. If what I say, and what I have experienced, and how I interpret it helps, it helps, if it doesn't it doesn't. A person has to take what I say and scrutinize it before integrating it into their lives, this is a healthy thing to do, as ultimately their life is their own responsibility.

As to walk-ins as possession, there is a distinction between the two, and this answers sheddie's question too. For a walk-in to happen, there HAS TO BE PRIOR AGREEMENT. It cannot happen against the body or the previous soul's free will. A possession is an invasion of body and soul. Remember, also, that, that particular classification was in direct response to a series of definitions from a previous post. According that those definitions, the closest I would identify with in my case was the walk-in. If someone chooses to define a walk-in as something else (possession for example), then that would no longer apply as something I would identify with.

I do appreciate your concern though. As a rule, however, I do not act from a place of fear or concern from what others might say or do, prove or not prove (it is not my business). So, keeping my fly zipped is not an option ;)

And I totally agree that the body memory and body intelligence question is something worth it's own thread. Then we can all chip in with what we know and/or have experienced and keep this important dialogue going!

[trenairio]

Can you reiterate the story of the "caretaker" pottery woman? Thanks

[Inelia]

Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....

Hi jcocks,

I have had very little contact with people with Autism / Aspergers. So cannot comment on your seeing. But it is a very interesting question. I know that there are members here who do have this structural makeup, and I would invite them to give us some input on this question.




Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

Hi 777,

I'd like to post an old article here with some opinions that addresses this a little bit. As the contact with higher self/entourage/Source can be very practical:


There are two main things to remember about guides as you look for them and accept them in your life:

1. They are not here to tell you what to do and to give you orders. I cannot tell you how many people have asked me, "what do my guides want me to do next?". They are not your parents and you are not a child. Asking them what they want us to do is simply a form of avoiding responsibility for our growth, life and actions.

Your guides are here to help you get where YOU WANT TO BE. And they have no judgment, so if your main preoccupation is the thought that you are poor, they will make sure you stay poor because the vibration you are giving is "I am poor". If your main preoccupation is to continue on your soul journey, they will put in your path teachers, books, tv shows, and people who will help you in this journey. And yes, the journey will be flavored with what you think it should be like. So if you believe you have to suffer to get into heaven.. guess what? You will be shown ways to suffer. They are energetic entities, live beings, not supernatural, God like creatures, or figments of your imagination. As such, they have their own evolutionary process to accomplish, part of which is to come to Earth and help with your soul journey or ascension.

2. The way to interact with your guides is on an equal basis, like you are going to meet a good friend who happens to have access to the Universal Library of All. You establish a relationship of trust, then ask for guidance on your latest problem. So, for example, it's not, "tell me what you want me to do next to become an evolved being." Or, coming with a shopping list of items such as, "Can you send me money for childcare, a new car, a beautiful house, my soul-mate, a new job." But, "When I try to merge with Oneness, I am afraid I will loose my identity. Can you tell me if this is going to happen or not?" In other words, be specific. Guides are here to guide us, very much like a Tour Guide on your Earth Holiday. We don't go to the tour guide and tell him or her what they want us to do next! No, we tell them where we want to go and they show us the sites and explain the history and what you can do in the area. But it is our choice of destination.

For example, recently I went to see the movie Avatar, which I highly recommend by the way, and I was reminded of the Interconnectedness of Earth and all that is on Earth, including us. Anyway, I went to bed that night wondering if this interconnectedness is as still strong today as it was when I was a child, or whether in fact we have "ruined" it for all of us through exploitation of natural resources. I asked Mother Earth for a sign, a message, anything, to let me know what the situation was.

The next day, I wake up and go downstairs, put on the kettle, then go to my computer to check email. My study has a very large window overlooking my suburbia garden. There are two large willow trees at the back, one directly in front of my window. Suddenly I see a huge, and I mean HUGE, Redtail Hawk land on this particular tree. My jaw dropped. You see, I am in the middle of the suburb, and had never seen one before in all my years here. Some blackbirds, which were about the 1/3 of the size of this huge hawk, tried to scare it away, it just sat there watching them, and watching me too. Then a tiny little bird made it's way through the branches and stood right next to it, looking at it, had probably never seen such a creature in it's entire life. The hawk just looked at it, as they do, and then looked back at me. You know the feeling you get when you know an intelligent being is looking back at you? Well, that was the feeling I was getting.

I sat down, and instead of checking email, I did a search on the spiritual meaning of redtail Hawks, this is the first page I found:

"Part of the Role for the two-legged beside whom Red Tailed Hawk flies is that of Guardian of the Earth Mother. These are individuals who will possess an astute awareness of the concept of the interconnectedness of all things, and will have an inner reverence for all life." from http://wolfs_moon.tripod.com/RedHawkTotem.html

Do you see how it works? It is simple, yet inspiring, motivating and full of wisdom.

By the way, I'd like to thank Mother Earth for being such a powerful and inspiring Guide and Teacher.

Inelia Benz

[Darla Ken Pearce]

This is so exciting! I can hardly wait to hear the full interview and share in all the joy that has become available for us to share. It is of utmost importance to fill our lives with these new wonderful stories and new lives beginning together in such joy, love, and enlightenment. When one is enabled to find joy and hope and unconditional love, all are uplifted, too, and share in it. So many have come forth to offer their blessings in this thread for Inelia from Bill, it is heartwarming and we haven't even got to see the video yet. Bill and Inelia, you inspire and lift up our spirits just in the knowing of you and being with you. And so it is...all are greatly blessed and we thank you, we thank you, we thank you! Much love and devotion to this new standard and ideal on Avalon! xoxoxoxoxox

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia, thanks for answering all these questions so far, it's very generous of you.

Nate hinted at this in an earlier question. How would you go about contacting your higher entourage and how would you know whether or not you were successful? Sorry if this sounds a bit simple to you but a layman's terms explanation would be great for me and I'm sure many others.

Earlier you said we could ask our physical body questions in the same way and "feel" the response in its' answer. I'm a feeler myself and yet this is as yet beyond my grasp.

Any help would be great, and thank you again.

One thing we can begin with, in order to develop a good clear communication with the body, is to start with very simple yes/no questions. So, for example, think of something that you are afraid of that is not logical. It could be dogs, for example, or snakes, and then ask "is my body afraid of [add item here]", it might respond with fear (yes), or not, if not, then ask "am I afraid of [add item here]" and you will know which one is afraid.

If no response is forthcoming form either, then there's something blocking one's communication with self or body. In that case, I would suggest doing the firewall exercise on it.

Hope this resonates and helps 777!

[Inelia]

Can you reiterate the story of the "caretaker" pottery woman? Thanks

A yes, a great example of the body communicating a wrong turn on the road :)

Bill and I were visiting friends in LA. When we arrived in LA, we took a little trip to Topanga, a place Bill loves and wanted to share with me.

As we drove into the canyon, I felt that the place was alive, and also felt that it had a caretaker.

A caretaker is a human, flesh and blood person who guards, stabilizes and energetically (and sometimes very practically) takes care of a geographical area. The are could be as big as a house, or as big as a country. This is something well known in many native cultures who would see themselves not as owners, but caretakers of Earth. Anyway, having established a telepathic connection, I asked for permission to enter (as is good manners). Permission was granted. And a telepathic dialogue ensued, in which I was clearly able to see that the caretaker was female, white, in her 60s, short dark hair, medium build, physically strong, an artist, gave art classes and was also a respected member of the local community.

I sent her a little energetic "resume" and told her of our intentions.

It was quite late in the evening and we were already late visiting our friends, so we only stayed for about an hour. During that hour, I could feel the caretaker "looking" at us.
Before we left, she sent a very warm and loving welcome, with a special message pertaining to the reason for the visit.

As we left the canyon, I felt the connection cut off. The next day, Bill and I both decided that we wanted to spend more time in Topanga, it's really very, very nice. On the way there, I declared that I really wanted to meet the caretaker in the flesh, that telepathic communication was all very well, but really wanted to meet her.

So, we went to the "village" (a few stores in the main street), and waited outside the local cafe... sending her a big message that we were there and waiting to see her. We waited for quite a while, and time was getting close for us to go back to our friends. It became clear that she was not coming, so we decided we would try locate her ourselves.

We got back in the car and continued on the canyon. Then I started feeling very bad indeed. Bill then asked if I wanted to see the views from the top of the canyon, and we drove up one of the winding roads... I started feeling very, very bad. It was very illogical and I could not understand it. The feelings were "I hate it here, I don't like it here, I don't want to be here". Which was insane because I truly loved the place just a few hours earlier. Then I tapped into the feelings and asked, is this mine? Answer "no". Is this my body's? "yes". OK. I tapped into the body and asked her, "what's going on?" The response was in visuals, saying "WE ARE GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION", plus a visual picture of what road we should have turned at.

As soon as I acknowledged this information, and told Bill, who turned the car around immediately, I felt great again, all those negative feeling were completely gone.

We went back to the road that had been indicated (the instructions were that we had to take a road that was before one we had taken earlier). We turned on the first road after the turn, no, it wasn't it. The second, yes, was it. (feeling good/bad). We went up the correct road, and at one point both Bill and I said, "It's here!". We stopped the car, and looked around. Nothing. We could see no signs that would indicate this is where we could find her.

So, we drove another 100 yards, and on the side of the road we saw a big for sale sign on a field. Bill suggested we park the car there and go for a walk in the field, seeing as we'd been in the car for a while. We got out and started walking up the hill. We came around some bushes, and there was a house there. OOOPS. We were trespassing in someone's back yard.

We stopped and thought of making a quick retreat, but a dog saw us and came over to greet us. It was obvious that if there was a dog there, the owner must be there too. And we decided to stay and apologise for trespassing before leaving. Sure enough, we heard a voice talking near the house, behind some plants, and getting closer. When the person appeared my jaw hit the floor... I grabbed Bill's arm and said, "it's her! It's the caretaker."

It was her! She is a potter, makes beautiful creations in her studio, and holds classes, and is a respected member of the community.

She also had very direct and personal solution with regard the reason for our visiting the area.

She was not aware of our previous (telepathic) communication. But a few questions clarified that she was indeed a caretaker. We told her all about how we found her, and she said that it did not surprise her at all, that the conversation she was having with a friend when we arrived, was all about "signs" of this type. The message I had to deliver to her, was "don't sell the land", but of course, it's her free will to either keep it or sell it.

[Tangri]

Originally Posted by jcocks
Heh... That sounds like me...or rather, sounded like me. I think I might be taking a break though...

On to my own question to Inelia..

What is your take on high-functioning Autism / Aspergers? I've heard that many native races of the Earth regard these types of people as perfect for the shamanic paths (And personally, I have had "connection to the source" as a reccurring theme in many of the card readings I have had done for me)....
Hi jcocks,
Although ASD is not my major practice. I can tell few words maybe helps you.
ASD has wide range of diagnostics. Aspergers like a strong selfish personality, they can focus on very detailed subject but no empathy. Their communication skill allows us to approach them. For me, it is most reward able type of ASD. But still needs to have a ABA to classified.
Swimming with dolphins helps to training. Shamanic paths ( if it is not radical) can help. But critical point is your stamina as a companion.
Love and Peace

[9eagle9]

This however puts the soul in a entirely diffferent light then? ( I did mention there's traps to this and we've just jumped into one...lol).

Most people operate under the premise that the soul is unconditional. Without conditions. The source of unconditional love. Isn't this in part your message as well? That we must shake off our conditioning to find that pure unconditioned expressive essence?

To suggest the soul comes under a contract or agreement is an opposing core value that negates the first one. . An agreement and contract is a condition, and they are found in body memory. Is the soul found in body memory? So what you are introducing here is that the soul in conditional and can assume contracts and agreements.

That right there may be why you will find folks getting testy with the material that you are presenting. (( I for one am not to let you know ))

And because the souls and consciousness is pretty important stuff , I'd have to say that I can understand why people would express angry sentiments event though they aren't sure why. They are being presented with opposing core values. And that is a testament right there that people are more aware than they know...they just don't know it....lol.

The soul is unconditional and the soul is conditional. Two opposing concepts. It makes people nutz and then will climb up your ya ya for it.



Hi 9eagle9,

Thank you for your thoughts and clarifications: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=210358&viewfull=1#post210358

With regard being scrutinized, not a problem for me at all. I am not here to "convince" people of "truths" but simply share my personal journey as well as what tools and knowings I have come across that have helped me and others. If there is something I don't understand, I say so. If there's something I don't know about, or not equipped to answer I say so :) Not a problem.

People can take my personal opinions and knowings into their lives or leave it, just like everything else on the planet. I have no attachment to either response. If what I say, and what I have experienced, and how I interpret it helps, it helps, if it doesn't it doesn't. A person has to take what I say and scrutinize it before integrating it into their lives, this is a healthy thing to do, as ultimately their life is their own responsibility.

As to walk-ins as possession, there is a distinction between the two, and this answers sheddie's question too. For a walk-in to happen, there HAS TO BE PRIOR AGREEMENT. It cannot happen against the body or the previous soul's free will. A possession is an invasion of body and soul. Remember, also, that, that particular classification was in direct response to a series of definitions from a previous post. According that those definitions, the closest I would identify with in my case was the walk-in. If someone chooses to define a walk-in as something else (possession for example), then that would no longer apply as something I would identify with.

I do appreciate your concern though. As a rule, however, I do not act from a place of fear or concern from what others might say or do, prove or not prove (it is not my business). So, keeping my fly zipped is not an option ;)

And I totally agree that the body memory and body intelligence question is something worth it's own thread. Then we can all chip in with what we know and/or have experienced and keep this important dialogue going!

[manny]

david topi stated in a ealier post that he is living two lifes at the same time.
at that time i found it difficult to even conceive the idea.
but lo and behold i just read tonight a section of the book
journey of souls
of which dr newton explains that we are all part source and some of us are able to to live two or more lives at once.
interesting synchronicity.
teaching and learning will come to us in many ways and forms.
just open your eyes to the clues,as someone stated somewhere.;)

[Anchor]

I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

The comparison between walk-in and possession is understandable, but I dont think they are the same.

With possession so far as I know, freewill plays no part, and it is done through subjugation and not necessarily "eviction" of the previous inhabitant!

Walk-in is a free-will agreement between souls. (So the former soul would not mind as it was all part of the agreement) and they both, for their own reasons want to do let that situation roll in the 3d world as each will derive their own desired learning.

The danger in the "3d" world is that the person (body) pre and post walk-in event may appear radically different to people that know them, leading them to suspect "possession" of the nasty kind.

If inelia's walk-in moment was before that personality had a chance to shine, so no-one would see a difference, using "normal" perception that is.

John..

[Anchor]

its own unique challenges as the PTB eyeball everything and look for a way to fumfoozle it from what it really means to be

LOL - fumfoozle has to be the word of the day :)

9eagle9, thankyou for your posts.

John..

[9eagle9]

But John. It still begs the question. Is the soul conditional or not? Is it unconditioned, or can it be conditioned? If its making agreements its setting conditions or operating in them.It can make the agreement to be harvested. If it can make an agreement than it is an essence that is subject to conditions. If a soul can make an agreeable agreement (lol) then it could conceivably make an agreement that doesn't serve us very well. We KNOW the consciousness and subconsciousness does that. So why does the soul need to do it. Now we've opened another can of worms to conceivably wade through, soul, and consciousness agreements. It blows the door wide open onto speculating as to what other conditions would be allowed.

While the entire time we are struggling to get into that unconditioned place we have been led to believe exists for us. Why? Its as conditioned and under agreement as other facets of our life?

I know this is a hard question believe me I know it is.




I would like to ask if the body you 'walked into' minded you taking over as I too do extraction work as a shamanic practitioner and people often want possessions removed.

The comparison between walk-in and possession is understandable, but I dont think they are the same.

With possession so far as I know, freewill plays no part, and it is done through subjugation and not necessarily "eviction" of the previous inhabitant!

Walk-in is a free-will agreement between souls. (So the former soul would not mind as it was all part of the agreement) and they both, for their own reasons want to do let that situation roll in the 3d world as each will derive their own desired learning.

The danger in the "3d" world is that the person (body) pre and post walk-in event may appear radically different to people that know them, leading them to suspect "possession" of the nasty kind.

If inelia's walk-in moment was before that personality had a chance to shine, so no-one would see a difference, using "normal" perception that is.

John..

[Carmen]

Good question, 9eagle9. Is the soul conditional or unconditional? From my limited, but direct, experience, and also from what I have been taught, the soul is the scribe, that records all our lifetimes,but it also is after our evolvement. So, from that perspective, it has an agenda. It prompts us in various directions, which are always evolutionary, even if we, the personality, don't immediately see it that way.

[9eagle9]

That begs another question. If our lifetimes are in our body or cellular memory why do we need the soul to record them.

Then there's hair splitting ...lol. If the soul knows there's no need to use language or records. From my own experience and from the experiences of others past life 'records' can be found in our cellular memory.I have found when people are thinking they are in the Akasha they are actually tapping into their own cell memory. This is wonderful on one hand that they should do, not so wonderful if they are being misled into thinking its a place that is external of them....a 'hall of records'. One one hand it reemphasized that all our answers are found inside of us. But on the same page suggest a opposing beleif that the answers are external of us, in the Akasha. People go inside themselves to obviate Akasha....literally.

It has been suggested in this thread that we look for previous conditions and memories in our body memory. Do we need to go to the soul too? And then another can of worms. We cannot express the Now and the Present and say the soul has no concept of time and then say in the next breath the Past (time) is found there. It confuses people.

I am asking this questions not because I'm confused. I'm asking them because I've asked them before. And they have been asked of me and that is what taught me to grow .

[giovonni]

i believe one's experiences on this plane are self (co) created with others (souls) here. i sense it does not really matter how one explains (defines) ones experiences here in general terms; for i sense we each have differing perspectives in what and how we are experiencing the here and now. But from my perspective - its all good !

[Carmen]

Maybe the soul 'is' the cells, or governor of the cells. Maybe the cells are 'where' the recording happens. I know from experience that when we have a major realization, some part of my body will 'release' energetically. Not always, but enough that I have realized that my body held that memory. Interesting concept.

Could you please comment on these observations Inelia. This is, after all, your thread. I don't wish to go off on a tangent of my own!! Interesting stuff.

[Anchor]

But John. It still begs the question. Is the soul conditional or not? Is it unconditioned, or can it be conditioned? If its making agreements its setting conditions or operating in them.It can make the agreement to be harvested. If it can make an agreement than it is an essence that is subject to conditions. If a soul can make an agreeable agreement (lol) then it could conceivably make an agreement that doesn't serve us very well. We KNOW the consciousness and subconsciousness does that. So why does the soul need to do it. Now we've opened another can of worms to conceivably wade through, soul, and consciousness agreements. It blows the door wide open onto speculating as to what other conditions would be allowed.

While the entire time we are struggling to get into that unconditioned place we have been led to believe exists for us. Why? Its as conditioned and under agreement as other facets of our life?

I know this is a hard question believe me I know it is.

Thanks!!! The harder the better! This is my first attempt at an answer. I reserve the right to elaborate or correct myself later :)

Why is it so hard? It is because we are forced to attempt to explain processes that exist in finer dimensions of space/time and time/space than we are directly conscious of. Our earthbound minds have a special problem with the infinite.

We have to play with abstract concepts and risk being misunderstood, and requiring a process of refinement until that finer sense within us recognizes understanding and agreement.

> Is the soul conditional or not?

In my initial contemplation of this, I had the image of a river of water running down a hill.

Its flow is bounded by conditions the river bank. Therefore its mode of expression is bounded by external conditions, but the water within itself is also subject to a myriad of turbulence, whirlpools, eddies and currents that appear random, but if you knew all the conditions it would be conditional on them and predictable. The river exists in our co-created illusion. We did it. We created that river at levels of our being that are hidden from us at this time. We don't even know we did it more often than not.

I view the soul - my definition of which is the eternal focus of our beingness that has presence in space/time while incarnated and time/space while not. It is an individualized fragment of the one infinite creator, and necessarily has individual qualities in its "now" moment that are based on its path and experience. This as you have referenced is recorded on the very fabric of creation known as akasha (the hall of records). This soul also has a focus in me which is the same as the focus in you and why we are as one - the infinite focus point that they all have.

A William Blake moment is called for...

"To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour."

Poets have the jump on people like me for articulating things like this - it is a humbling power.

The soul is not everything but contains a focus point where it is connected with everything. Accordingly therefore there is a limited boundary at the interface between its infinite self and that which is not of itself, a phenomena that is inevitable on the basis that it is an individual amongst an infinite and multi-dimensional collection of individuals.

That is why I have said, the two basic things in the universe that you need to be aware of - as an individualized expression of the one - are you and everything else in this moment.

In a sense the soul is self-conditioned, it took a mode of incarnation and took on the constraints of a manifest illusion, so powerful that it seems real to the extent of even creating a situation that this very fact is suppressed. Paradox. So I also think the answer is both conditioned by the requirements of the moment, and unconditional in the context of the infinite and boundlessness of the one infinite creation.

You and I both have souls. We are limitless in our power, but we have chosen to limit this to experience that limited mode, and in so doing we play our part in infinite consciousness by conditioning ourselves unconditionally.

Consequently conditions come and go as we decide it. We are making it up as we go along. At the same time according to the laws of attraction and like attracts like, groups of individuals with similar characteristics and conditions will group together.

The answer therefore, to me at this time, is both.

John..

PS: My heart is singing!

[pilotsimone]

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[Inelia]

John,

Thank you for your beautiful, clear and concise post! Makes my heart sing too :D

(This post: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=210721&viewfull=1#post210721)

[David Topí]

david topi stated in a ealier post that he is living two lifes at the same time.
at that time i found it difficult to even conceive the idea.
but lo and behold i just read tonight a section of the book
journey of souls
of which dr newton explains that we are all part source and some of us are able to to live two or more lives at once.
interesting synchronicity.
teaching and learning will come to us in many ways and forms.
just open your eyes to the clues,as someone stated somewhere.;)

Hi Manny,
Just for the record. What I said is what Bill explained, I am aware of other people having the same Higher self as I do. This is called simultaneous incarnations. Imagine that you would project astrally to the plane where your higher self sits, in a person whos method of evolution is reincarnation, you would see just one silver cord, coming from the HS and entering into the body of the person. When a HS chooses to evolve via the simultaneous method, you find out that the HS projects itself into many more souls who are incarnating at the same time.

The trick is that it can be also in several historical periods, so from our perspective, this counts as past lives, but from our HS perspective, this is happening all at the same time. I am aware of simultaneous incarnations of mine active in this 2011 in other parts of the planet, but I can assure you that is this more common that you can think, if you would to develop a bit the communication with your HS you could easily discover that you may be also having simultaneous incarnations.

I have seen many other people (HS) in this situation. My own HS seems to indicate that more than 40% of the population in the planet today are incarnations of simultaneously evolving HS, I have not way to confirm that, it is simply a channeled info received. This is just for my info as I was researching this subject (no need to believe it, this is what I mean).

If you consider also that your HS is out of the continuum time line we exist, you can also imagine easily that it can project several souls into several different historical periods at the same time. Past, Present and Future all COEXIST out of our time percepcion, therefore, you now can be having a simultaneous live in Greece, Rome, the ancient China and the XV century: ALL at the SAME TIME (from our HS perspective).
The way one incarnation influences the other (say you are killed in Rome and you feel the effects now, it is not always because you have a memory from a past life, but because there is a connection between two silver cords, in which the information that one incarnation is transmiting to the HS is also being received into another, in a different time period.

I use this silver cords connections to heal blocks and restrictions from "past" (from our perspective) but simultaneous (from our HS perspective) incarnations, so removing the effects of something that is happening 10 centuries ago into your current incarnation.

It is a bit tricky to explain, but pretty much real!

[Hervé]

We have to play with abstract concepts and risk being misunderstood, and requiring a process of refinement until that finer sense within us recognizes understanding and agreement.

Hi John!

Thank you for initiating a working definition to unravel the confusion.

My take on this is that the confusion has been deliberately intended through an unworkable nomenclature which inverted things, turned them inside out like in the case of bodies pleading with a god to save their souls... how much more inverted could this be?

Another example of a twisting around to make things unworkable is given by Ingo Swann in his book "Penetration" with respect to telepathy. The official definition makes it impossible to understand the phenomenon and therefore prevents anyone to experience it from the definition's premises.

So, thank you John for starting from scratch!

[Bill Ryan]

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A brief clarification about the 'unconditionality' of the soul/ spirit.

It can do pretty much anything it wants - but the entire point of the Games/ Matrix/ all levels of existence 'below' Source/ Unity/ Omni is that the soul/ spirit exercises choice and responsibility. When it does not, then things tend to go wrong.

With regard to walk-ins, for instance, when Inelia says that the soul-spirit taking over a body in must/should get the agreement of the prior occupant of the body, it's a little like walking into someone's house, or driving away their car.

The ethical procedure is to sign a rental agreement, or to buy the car. There's an agreement involved to which both parties consent.

But sometimes there are thieves. Or squatters. Or in a military situation, the cars and houses are simply destroyed.

Inelia is referring to the way we should be going about these transfers (if the players are being ethical). In the meantime, some hostile walk-ins do occur.

With regard to abilities, the soul/ spirit voluntarily agrees to give up some abilities when entering the Games/ Matrix from Source. What we give up is an individual choice. This is [one reason] why souls/ spirits have different personalities. We choose the clothes we wear when going to the Ball.



The marble not yet carved can hold the form of every thought the greatest artist has.
-- Michelangelo

I choose a block of marble and chop off whatever I don't need.
-- Alexander Pope
The reason we give up some things is that if we came into the Matrix/ Games literally as omnipotent, omniscient beings, there would be no game. It would be like God playing chess or football. No match. We did come down here to enjoy ourselves, and to learn - and to do that, it has to be a fair game.

Over the aeons of time, this Giant Game of all Games has become corrupted in various ways. This is the root of the problem. This is why beings like Inelia (and many others) are here - to restore fair play.

Not to rescue us. But to allow us to have a fairer chance of rescuing ourselves out of this mess - and in turn, once we've got ourselves in good shape again, to assist others.

I've been doing this work in the background for 30 years (and, although we'd never met, so has Inelia). It's not new for me, or for her. But now, our working in partnership together allows us to combine our strengths (and different personalities!) and create a significant synergy that can have a much broader ripple effect.

For feedback about our experimental seminar, do read these pages starting here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18497-Bill-Inelia-experimental-seminar-Sacramento-CA-Saturday-30-April/page6

The reason this is happening now, is because now is the time. :)

[777]

Thank you to everyone participating in the last couple of pages especially, you've collectively blown my mind.

John I can hear the music of your brains cogs from here, they make a very sweet song.

:ear:

[daddy fishwick]

I am compelled to be happy! This all resonates well with an inner understanding i've always had! With thanks Bill and all!

[Anchor]

Hi John!

Thank you for initiating a working definition to unravel the confusion.

My take on this is that the confusion has been deliberately intended through an unworkable nomenclature which inverted things, turned them inside out like in the case of bodies pleading with a god to save their souls... how much more inverted could this be?

Another example of a twisting around to make things unworkable is given by Ingo Swann in his book "Penetration" with respect to telepathy. The official definition makes it impossible to understand the phenomenon and therefore prevents anyone to experience it from the definition's premises.

So, thank you John for starting from scratch!

Your very welcome. I was worried I might make things worse! I have edited that post 3 or 4 times now, so I must apologize to people that read it before about an hour ago.

Anyway I agree with you.

Layers of distortion and confusion have been deliberately cultivated by the controllers. It is time to avoid this mess and start using our swords to cut through the bull****. Its really hard. For my part I need the refined insight and questions of people like 9eagle9 to put me in a place where that can be done. I can't seem to do it on my own very often.

So I credit 9eagle9 for allowing that post to do its work through me - it came from nowhere that I recognise in my own knowledge base! If the question had not been asked, I would not have been driven to the state that I find necessary to even begin to answer something like that. This process is a mystery to me and I am only beginning to plumb its depths.

Also sometimes I personally learn things directly from people that post - others I learn from my own answers that get put out my fingers in reaction to other posts! In these moments I certainly cannot take the credit.

I have concluded for the moment that this is for me a process closest to the experience of remembering something.

The fact that this forum is now giving greater prominence and air-time to matters of a serious meta-physical nature is for me a VERY ENCOURAGING and quite an exciting development. Once upon a time, I thought it would not happen.

John..

[777]

John, my apologies if I've overstepped the mark, but, I've taklen the liberty of quoting you in my signature. Is this ok?

I for one, need reminding of this sentence and concept on a daily basis, it's not made this much sense to me ever in my life, for which I'm very grateful. You're so right as well that the feeling is one of remembering rather than a new idea. Thank goodness for 9eagle9 in being the catalyst. This is awesome, what a time to be alive!

[Anchor]

John, my apologies if I've overstepped the mark, but, I've taklen the liberty of quoting you in my signature. Is this ok?

I for one, need reminding of this sentence and concept on a daily basis, it's not made this much sense to me ever in my life, for which I'm very grateful. You're so right as well that the feeling is one of remembering rather than a new idea. Thank goodness for 9eagle9 in being the catalyst. This is awesome, what a time to be alive!

My ego reports that it is seriously delighted and thanks you for it :) The other part of me is trying to be ok with it.

Seriously dude, let those words be written without my name attached. I'll get my ego back for the stimulation it received later.

John..

[777]

John, my apologies if I've overstepped the mark, but, I've taklen the liberty of quoting you in my signature. Is this ok?

I for one, need reminding of this sentence and concept on a daily basis, it's not made this much sense to me ever in my life, for which I'm very grateful. You're so right as well that the feeling is one of remembering rather than a new idea. Thank goodness for 9eagle9 in being the catalyst. This is awesome, what a time to be alive!

My ego reports that it is seriously delighted and thanks you for it :) The other part of me is trying to be ok with it.

Seriously dude, let those words be written without my name attached. I'll get my ego back for the stimulation it received later.

John..

hahaha! Why of course.......

[SEAM]

Good question, 9eagle9. Is the soul conditional or unconditional? From my limited, but direct, experience, and also from what I have been taught, the soul is the scribe, that records all our lifetimes,but it also is after our evolvement. So, from that perspective, it has an agenda. It prompts us in various directions, which are always evolutionary, even if we, the personality, don't immediately see it that way.

Hey... I've not followed along with this discussion, so I don't know exactly what the heart of the matter is... but after reading a couple pages, I just wanted to offer... and I apologize if it has been mentioned, or if I am off topic, or if it even matters... but I believe we have two souls!

We have two of everything else. Maybe one belongs to us and the other belongs to the Source... Maybe one chamber of our heart, or one hemisphere of our brain follows suit, I don't know. But I do think that we would not have one soul, seeing as we have two of everything else... food for thought. Carry on.

[bearcow]

I think perhaps for the the sake of clarity we need to try to clearly define what we are talking about when use the term "soul". In many new age texts it is become synonymous with the astral body, the personality that is self aware when someone astral projects, has a near death experience etc. I think perhaps in the original definitions of the word it is more closely related with what people generally call the higher self, or the individual jiva (divine individualized spark) that separates from the atman or the group spirit. The Taoist terms for this are ling and shen. To understand these concepts clearly can get quite complex and to be honest has little practical value for the person just starting out. From one perspective it can be said that you have a individualized soul and spirit and from another perspective it can be said that you do not. From my perspective both are correct. When looking at the term "soul" from this perspective the average person has a very limited connection to higherself/soul and the primary form of communication between the waking self and the soul is through unconscious/sub conscious means.

Let me say this, the white light that people see when they have a near death experience could be thought of as your soul, it comes down from heaven and reels your astral body back in when your time is up. As people experience it, they see themselves separate from it, yet if they choose they can or cannot merge back into it.

The trick is to merge the soul light into the physical/astral body while still alive in order to become a full expression of the divinity.

[9eagle9]

Sure blame me, 777 and John.Good intuitive call though -- I am a catalyst I make things happen. What comes burping up as a result of my caterwauling--I mean catalysing-- though is YOUR responsibility ;)

Thank you for response Bill, I think for comforts sake I will respond in a different way shortly.




John, my apologies if I've overstepped the mark, but, I've taklen the liberty of quoting you in my signature. Is this ok?

I for one, need reminding of this sentence and concept on a daily basis, it's not made this much sense to me ever in my life, for which I'm very grateful. You're so right as well that the feeling is one of remembering rather than a new idea. Thank goodness for 9eagle9 in being the catalyst. This is awesome, what a time to be alive!

My ego reports that it is seriously delighted and thanks you for it :) The other part of me is trying to be ok with it.

Seriously dude, let those words be written without my name attached. I'll get my ego back for the stimulation it received later.

John..

[Sidney]

Hi Inelia (and Billl, WOW.. I don't get alot of free time to visit the forums lately, but I need to state that there has been a complete turnaround in energy flow here. (in a positive way of course;)).

Thank you so much for devoting your time and heart to help all of us to continue to grow. Inelia, you are such a true being of light, it is unmistakable.


I have a question for you. And it seems like it would be obvious, but,, how can we know if our body has been "invaded"? Sometimes, when I feel very negative, it seems as though it is not my own soul creating this energy, that it is from another source, and do we just "ask" or "tell" it to leave, or is it more complicated than that? Thank you again for your wisdom.

[Hervé]

Let me say this, the white light that people see when they have a near death experience could be thought of as your soul, it comes down from heaven and reels your astral body back in when your time is up. As people experience it, they see themselves separate from it, yet if they choose they can or cannot merge back into it.

The trick is to merge the soul light into the physical/astral body while still alive in order to become a full expression of the divinity.

That's exactly the very trouble with current nomenclature and what John started to do away with in order to unconfuse the issue.

Taking the example of that white light thingy, some people call it an electronic tractor beam as in "beam me up Scotty" that's ideal for "soul" harvesting and the transportation channel to the hypnotic rooms full of screens and telepathic implantations of the newly retrieved "soul." (see any abduction stories)

This is where Inelia's input is invaluable and badly needed to first sort out what's what and then give it a name that leaves the accumulated confusion out of the picture.

Hence my question to Inelia: What's what in these "white light" tunnels?

[Corncrake]

Anchor - thank you for the Blake quote - a timely reminder to read him again. William Blake - great artist, great poet, great mystic.

[manny]

some of these post jogged a memory from when i was younger.
for many a year i always felt i did not belong in my body.
someone else was inside me looking out.
my feelings and thughts did not match my physical body.
i looked in the mirror many a time wondering who i was.
i felt dis connected,dis embodied.
as though i was watching a real time movie of my life.
i was always questioning my innerself.

i remember trying to explain this to a friend,and he stood me in front of the mirror and said,
manny this is you this is what you look like.
was i depressed?
or was there a connection to a HS ,a walk-in.
i don,t know.

i accepeted this and began to try and conform with the physical world we live in.

well just maybe i was right,and he was wrong.
and latley questions are coming back again .
but now i have people who may be able to explain these questions.
thank you
does this make sense.

what does make sense to me is that if you go to your gp and say...
i can astral travel.
i see things.
i can communicate with et.
i can communicate with source.
ect.
what would he do.
you are not conforming with rules that he has been taught and will advise you to take medication and see a psychatrist..

[Anchor]

how can we know if our body has been "invaded"? Sometimes, when I feel very negative, it seems as though it is not my own soul creating this energy, that it is from another source, and do we just "ask" or "tell" it to leave, or is it more complicated than that? Thank you again for your wisdom.

Starchild111 - you may find a review of this thread takes a few steps to answering this question http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11264-LLResearch-Psychic-Attack&p=101563

Also a thread here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14614-Physical-possession-by-another-spirit which discussed a real event

Also from the old forum ...


While reading the Matthew message for ( http://www.matthewbooks.com/mattsmessage.htm ) for Feb 18th 2006, I noted the following - very relevant to this thread.

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13. So that you can distinguish between the dark souls and those through whom dark entities are working and thereby deal most effectively with all, I asked my mother to gather information that will assist in your identification and protection processes. And now, Mother, please add that and also the guidance for connecting telepathically with light beings and assuring that sources you reach are who they claim to be. Some readers may know this innately or may have learned it, those to whom this is new can benefit a great deal from it, and all who wish can make this guidance available to receptive people.

S: Matthew, I’m just going to write my notes and not take time to put them in literary fashion because I know you want this to go out.

14. The eyes are a direct reflection of the soul’s frequency. To distinguish between light-filled souls and dark, look into the eyes. The eyes of a lighted soul shine with aliveness; dark souls’ eyes are dull-dead, devoid of warmth or light. A person with a lighted soul can hold a steady gaze when talking with you; a person with an “ordinary” dark soul or is heavily influenced by darkness keeps glancing around, unable to meet the light in your eyes.

15. Strategic touching. Dark entities know that the nape of the neck and lower back are especially vulnerable to their entry into a body’s energy system. Someone who grasps you in either or both places probably is NOT being playful or affectionate—the darkness in them is trying to infiltrate you. This doesn’t come from that person’s intellect or conscious awareness; it’s an automatic response to their influencing dark entity’s attempt to interrupt your energy flow so its streamer tentacles can enter.

16. Tone of voice, choice of words, topics of conversations. Indications of dark entities working through a person are gossip; sarcastic, hurtful or boastful remarks; unjustified criticism or blame; monopolizing a conversation; in a large group, insensitivity to others’ conversations by speaking out loudly; obsession with talking about fearful subjects. When you’re listening to someone and can’t tell whether the person is speaking from ego or soul, mentally ask your soul and pay attention to your immediate reaction—it is instinct, one way the soul communicates with the consciousness. ALWAYS listen to your soul voice—it never lies. Soul knows when lies come from other sources and alerts you via your instinct, intuitive thoughts and sensations—trust them.

17. Characteristics; change of behavior. Controlling or intentionally harming others, torturing animals, uncontrollable anger, greed, dishonesty, insistence that only their beliefs are right, and egotism are obvious reflections of dark souls and dark entities operating through unaware people. Infiltration by those entities is evident in people who formerly did not exhibit those traits or condone the actions and suddenly their behavior includes one or more; a slight tendency toward the traits or actions and/or cracks in the psyche “invite” this.

18. The aura, like eyes, is a dead giveaway. Ask your soul to let you see the person’s aura (energy emanating from the body) and look two inches above the head. You may see only a fleeting glimpse of color, a form or geometric symbol; depending on what you see, you know whether light or dark energy is flowing from the body. A cross or some other symbol you feel is sacred will identify a lighted soul; if you are light energy-sensitive, you may see gold, white, blue or rainbow prisms around the person. The auras of dark souls are dark, corresponding in degree to their energy emanations, and any symbols you see will be the opposite of what you think of as good, or light—e.g., a small viper, a tail (may be lashing out), an inverted cross or a broken star. Look down, about two inches in front of the person’s feet, for the same kinds of symbols that are in the aura.

19. Radiated energy. Energy-sensitive people can feel warmth radiating from lighted souls and cold from dark ones. With the pretense of seeing something on the floor, feel the energy by the feet; dark energy at that point is icy cold. Icy cold hands (unless holding an iced drink) or clammy hands is another indication of dark influence IF that's in conjunction with the primary signs that darkness is present.

20. Other physical reactions. The negativity of dark energy streamers is very heavy and creates a heaviness in your sensations when you’re in the presence of dark souls or people under the influence of dark entities. Also a lighted soul usually starts to feel repulsed, and some will begin to feel their skin itching. Dark energy is parasitic; it drains your energy and uses it to refuel itself. After such an encounter, your body may need lots of water, sea salt or even sugar to spontaneously regenerate itself. You may feel a sudden stiffness as the chakras work to protect themselves against dark energy streamers or feel throbbing in your temple or third eye area. Chakras always instinctively act and react to protect the root system and alert you to the dark energy through physical sensations.

21. Levels of darkness. Dark forces attack their equal in the strength of light-filled beings. Lesser-strength entities will move away from bright light; they can’t bear to look into it or stay near its energy. The more light in a person, the stronger the entity sent to invade it; “tests” for light beings become correspondingly harder because new, stronger entities come. Dark souls and people through whom the stronger entities work have NO power over souls who stay steadfast in the light and know its greater power; your “safety net” is WITHIN, not in any external source. ALL levels of darkness can be defeated by knowledgeable action on your part.

22. The innocence of young children and animals gives them heightened sensitivity to energy. Pay attention to the reactions and body language of children who seem suspicious or express fear for themselves or others and animals that keep a wary eye on their animal and/or human family—they try to avoid people whose energy is dark and feel a need to protect others from dark energy around them.

23. Protection. You must be aggressive against the dark forces. Write out and memorize the following words, which were given by God; these exact words are essential because the vibration they carry is your protection. After you have memorized this command and practiced enough so that the exact words easily come to mind, the command will come immediately and automatically as a sensation and verbalizing no longer is necessary. Practice quieting your mind, then saying aloud or mentally: “In the name of Jesus The Christ, I now command that if you are not of the highest, most evolved form of Jesus The Christ Consciousness, that you are to here and now disappear immediately and NEVER return.” Dark souls CANNOT disobey this command due to its vibrations.

24. The darkest souls are the most cunning, most determined; they seek a lighted person on one-to-one basis and engage in direct and steady eye contact, like a cobra, to mesmerize the person. To break the effects of their powerful gaze, think the word LIGHT with forcefulness. This command is essential in that situation; the dark soul can’t disobey its vibration, which is the light intensity equivalent of that soul's darkness. This command isn’t a substitute for the other one that's required for protection in other situations.

-- update --

The information above was cut and pasted direct and offered as is. I don't always agree with everything that Matthew says, but the material does have some useful parts to it and if read with discernment, is usually valuable.

[Inelia]

Let me say this, the white light that people see when they have a near death experience could be thought of as your soul, it comes down from heaven and reels your astral body back in when your time is up. As people experience it, they see themselves separate from it, yet if they choose they can or cannot merge back into it.

The trick is to merge the soul light into the physical/astral body while still alive in order to become a full expression of the divinity.

That's exactly the very trouble with current nomenclature and what John started to do away with in order to unconfuse the issue.

Taking the example of that white light thingy, some people call it an electronic tractor beam as in "beam me up Scotty" that's ideal for "soul" harvesting and the transportation channel to the hypnotic rooms full of screens and telepathic implantations of the newly retrieved "soul." (see any abduction stories)

This is where Inelia's input is invaluable and badly needed to first sort out what's what and then give it a name that leaves the accumulated confusion out of the picture.

Hence my question to Inelia: What's what in these "white light" tunnels?

Hi Amzer,

I haven't had any experience with the tunnels. Nor do I have any "in between lives" memories, so I am not really qualified to answer questions on the trajectory of the soul between bodies or how they are trapped after death. I've had two near death experiences in this lifetime, and in both of them, the trajectory was one where I went into a state of "nothingness" and then emerged as the "higher self" - the highest conscious singularity in the matrix - where we are all beings, all things, all time and all space, and all nothing, at the same no-time "kinda thang", ready to move past it and out of singularity. At which point, I was thrown back into the smaller singularity which is the person typing these words.

Once, while bi-locating to see where one of my aunts was as she was not answering her phone, she saw me as a white, butterfly like light near her ceiling - she stared right at me. She immediately called the other aunt I was with to tell her she just saw a "spirit", the second aunt asked her if it was hanging out near the ceiling in her corridor, "yes," and we had a good laugh about it. But it does give us data on how RVer or bi-locators can be detected by gifted psychics and perhaps by specially designed technology too.

The only time I experienced a tunnel with a light at the end of it, was when an old relative (who had passed away several decades earlier) came to fetch me. She pulled me out of the body, into the tunnel, and into the light. In the light was another place in the planet, my grandmother's room in Chile. She was dying at the time, and the other relative asked my grandmother to go "with us" to the other side, to rest. My grandmother refused and went back to sleep. The next day I phoned and was told that my grandmother had had a very close call the night before, but had made it through.

This is all the data I have with regard light tunnels, near death, and a light type "body", I have not investigated an interpretation for it. Any input is welcome :)

One important thing to remember, and something a good friend reminded me of recently, is that there is a very thick eeky yucky membrane surrounding the planet, which is thick, dark and removes memory. Plus I think people bounce off it when they die while still asleep. One of the things I suggest to people to do is to move their viewpoint toward the sun, looking back at the Earth, where the Earth is about the size of a small soccer ball. And just hang out there, soaking up the solar energy, and being out of the "trap" for a while. Then get in communication with the planet, exchange vibrations directly (unpolluted) with her, and to see how they can assist Her and the collective in this shift.

[bearcow]

The eyes are a direct reflection of the soul’s frequency. To distinguish between light-filled souls and dark, look into the eyes. The eyes of a lighted soul shine with aliveness; dark souls’ eyes are dull-dead, devoid of warmth or light. A person with a lighted soul can hold a steady gaze when talking with you; a person with an “ordinary” dark soul or is heavily influenced by darkness keeps glancing around, unable to meet the light in your eyes.

This is not correct, people who have suffered severe trauma or chronic depression will have no life in their eyes and will generally shy away from direct eye contact. This has nothing to do on whether or not they have a "dark soul". Basically this statement says that introverts are bad, extroverts are good. Rubbish

Read Wilhelm Reich's books if you want to understand why some people lack the ability to elicit a positive response through direct eye contact.

Cant say anything else positive about what "matthew" is saying, mostly half truths served up with a dash of paranoia to boot.

[Inelia]

The eyes are a direct reflection of the soul’s frequency. To distinguish between light-filled souls and dark, look into the eyes. The eyes of a lighted soul shine with aliveness; dark souls’ eyes are dull-dead, devoid of warmth or light. A person with a lighted soul can hold a steady gaze when talking with you; a person with an “ordinary” dark soul or is heavily influenced by darkness keeps glancing around, unable to meet the light in your eyes.

This is not correct, people who have suffered severe trauma or chronic depression will have no life in their eyes and will generally shy away from direct eye contact. This has nothing to do on whether or not they have a "dark soul". Basically this statement says that introverts are bad, extroverts are good. Rubbish

Read Wilhelm Reich's books if you want to understand why some people lack the ability to elicit a positive response through direct eye contact.

Cant say anything else positive about what "matthew" is saying, mostly half truths served up with a dash of paranoia to boot.

Thank you for your response on the Mathew part. It does have to be read with discernment, and is a little too filled with generalities. I have had dealings with "dark" beings in human bodies, they indeed don't necessarily avoid eye contact. . The previous thread listed in the post you quoted has some very good discussions on the matter from various points of view, worth a read :)

[manny]

The eyes are a direct reflection of the soul’s frequency. To distinguish between light-filled souls and dark, look into the eyes. The eyes of a lighted soul shine with aliveness; dark souls’ eyes are dull-dead, devoid of warmth or light. A person with a lighted soul can hold a steady gaze when talking with you; a person with an “ordinary” dark soul or is heavily influenced by darkness keeps glancing around, unable to meet the light in your eyes.

This is not correct, people who have suffered severe trauma or chronic depression will have no life in their eyes and will generally shy away from direct eye contact. This has nothing to do on whether or not they have a "dark soul". Basically this statement says that introverts are bad, extroverts are good. Rubbish

Read Wilhelm Reich's books if you want to understand why some people lack the ability to elicit a positive response through direct eye contact.

Cant say anything else positive about what "matthew" is saying, mostly half truths served up with a dash of paranoia to boot.
this i can vouch for.
i was severly depressed and started work.
i remember a rastafarian guy looking up at me and saying ..i had no soul.
i read his lips.i read him.as he did me.
and he was right i was severly depressed.
and i showed it.
how you feel affects other people.how they read you.
i have had many a experience of this and learned to handle it..
but people avoid you,because of the facial,energy that you radiate .
the energy you give off can be misunderstood.

in world war one they shot people for going AWOL.

now it is understood that they may be under the influence of shellshock.

who are we to judge anyone,people must judge themselves.

[Anchor]

This is not correct, people who have suffered severe trauma or chronic depression will have no life in their eyes and will generally shy away from direct eye contact. This has nothing to do on whether or not they have a "dark soul".

Fair enough. I think when it comes to generalities, they will always be a fight with other generalities.

Like Inelia said it needs reading with discernment.

I will add that I do not personally agree with everything Matthew says either.

John..

[humanalien]

Hi Inelia,

I have been noticing for quite some time how events that occur in this reality must have an extradimensional origin. It is my summation that most in this reality are unable to perceive this. Many, if not all, of the events we see on the world stage are driven by entities just outside of our awareness. It is often repeated in our circle that the spiritual governs the natural, as above-so below. But how many in the alternative community truly understand what this means? Beings beyond our ability to perceive them are influencing us and helping to orchestrate our moves. Why is this necessary? This is very apparent to me in the realms of world leaders, corporations, and politicians. Many times these forces are of a dark nature although I am also able to see how events are also influenced by beings of love and light. I have read about wars being waged between the Angels and the Dominion of Darkness. It is my observation that this is done here on the 3D plane as well. It is subtle but exists none the less. I am quite certain you have also seen this but I am curious as to your take on this as it has been occupying my mind for the past week. It is like a dirty little secret no one ever acknowledges or talks about. Yet I see it happening every day in big ways and small.

There seems to be a large piece of the puzzle that is missing because most do not see that it is not there. There is something much larger here than even those in the alternative community are aware of. Why is it necessary for perfect beings to come here and be subjected to the atrocities that are so prevalent here? So many beings desire peace and harmony and yet there is a concerted effort on the part of our "leaders" to keep this from happening. Why? What are we not seeing here? These leaders appear to be influenced by a negative energy. We have been poisoned and dumbed down to the point that we are little more than retarded monkeys. Why? What is there to gain by doing this? And by whom and to what end? It is my observation that many spirits return to the spirit world badly damaged as a result of their time here on earth, yet we are told that this is a game where no one really gets hurt.

I have felt that I am a prisoner all my life, all I have ever wanted is to be free, truly free. Why do we have to pay to live in a place where we were born? Why is it necessary to come here over and over again to "learn" when we are already All? Why is it necessary to come here at all? It makes no sense. I propose to you that our enslavement is not just here in this hard reality, but in the spirit realm as well. As above, so below. Perhaps unlocking our freedom here will cause the walls to come crashing down there. There is so much more than we are aware of. I tired of being told I chose to come here, bull****! I have read Michael Newtons books and I have to tell you that the most striking piece of information that he had was when his clients would tell of very advanced beings coming to visit their class. Who are these beings? What is the purpose of their visit? Are they gauging how their slaves are coming along? The students were not aware of who these beings were or why they were there. According to Newton, there is no such thing as deception in the spirit world, but I can't help but wonder if there is such a thing as ignorance. We are told this is a game, but who's game is it? I have never enjoyed games, I find them useless. I love to explore and take the world on my own terms. I'm tired of playing someone else's game and having to follow their rules.


It all comes down to energy. If every thing and every one is energy, then what is the purpose of producing and directing energy in this reality? We are energy. We use energy. We manifest and produce energy. Others take energy from us. Everything we are, everything about our existence is energy at its most fundamental level. Could this be the key to why we are here? Is this why the concept of free energy is taboo? If our individual realities are constructed and influenced in such a way as to direct our energy in a certain direction, towards a certain end, what is that end? Think about this. We are forced to spend our days putting forth our energy at work or at school. Where does this energy go? Look at our society. We are enamored with sex, violence, fear, celebrity, politics. These things draw an energy from us, it goes somewhere. Where does it go? If there are beings standing outside of our reality who are in fact directing our reality then what are they doing with the energy that is being produced in this reality. Is this energy being sent to an extradimensional reality? Why and to what end?

I am most curious to hear your thoughts on this subject.

Excellent post.

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.


It is my understanding that adam and eve could see God and the angels before they both sinned.
Once they were kicked out of eden, Adam could hear the flutter of angels wings, as they came
near him, but neither of them could ever see God or the angels again.

When you say gods, you have to be referring to aliens because after adam and eve got kicked out
of eden, they didn't even know how to eat or drink, let alone build cities. If mankind did build
cities, it was with the help of aliens.

This information comes from the lost books of the bible in Geneis.

[humanalien]

I haven't looked at the "Hollow Earth" topic or place at all actually, so know nothing about it. I have, however, looked at the hollow moon, and the aliens who are buzzing around our moon too, plus the humans there. And can be most certain that the moon is an artificial and hollow-ish artificial construct. Hollow as in an office building being hollow, not one big hole, but compartmentalized and with communication corridors all through the inside. I decided to take a look after a member mentioned it, and at the same time a friend sent me Ingo Swan's book "Penetration". My experience of RV the moon was somewhat different to Ingo's. It appears that they now get visited regularly by ordinary folk doing RV, so now they have a type of "welcome room", at least one of the species does. I couldn't work out if there is just one species there or whether they are groups who have like "embassies" or "watching posts" there from different species. I haven't had the time to go back and investigate it further.

You told me that you don't do remote viewing. What's up with that?

[Bill Ryan]

I haven't looked at the "Hollow Earth" topic or place at all actually, so know nothing about it. I have, however, looked at the hollow moon, and the aliens who are buzzing around our moon too, plus the humans there. And can be most certain that the moon is an artificial and hollow-ish artificial construct. Hollow as in an office building being hollow, not one big hole, but compartmentalized and with communication corridors all through the inside. I decided to take a look after a member mentioned it, and at the same time a friend sent me Ingo Swan's book "Penetration". My experience of RV the moon was somewhat different to Ingo's. It appears that they now get visited regularly by ordinary folk doing RV, so now they have a type of "welcome room", at least one of the species does. I couldn't work out if there is just one species there or whether they are groups who have like "embassies" or "watching posts" there from different species. I haven't had the time to go back and investigate it further.

You told me that you don't do remote viewing. What's up with that?

Inelia doesn't really 'remote view' anything. Remote viewing is when you look at a distant scene (in time or space) as if through a kind of psychic security camera. That's the reason it's called remote viewing.

This is what most - but not all - 'remote viewers' are doing. An exception is David Morehouse, who wrote the book Psychic Warrior. (http://psychicwarrior.com) It's the only book I know of that describes remote viewing as bilocation, which is a totally different process.

But the two terms are sometimes used casually and interchangeably, especially when checking out what's going on in a remote location.

As she explained in her interview trailer (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4), Inelia goes there personally - in time or space. She travels there, instantly, and sees what's happening for herself. She's done this all her life. She just goes to take a look at something, and then comes right back.

I accompanied her on one trip (to a location in Chile, in November 1972). It's totally different from the kind of enhancement of remote perception (which the Victorians called 'clairvoyance') that Ed Dames or Courtney Brown describe.

In this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=211410&viewfull=1#post211410) Inelia describes how she went to take a look at how one of her aunts was doing, and the bilocating Inelia was spotted by her aunt as a bright light near the ceiling. :)


Once, while bi-locating to see where one of my aunts was as she was not answering her phone, she saw me as a white, butterfly like light near her ceiling - she stared right at me. She immediately called the other aunt I was with to tell her she just saw a "spirit", the second aunt asked her if it was hanging out near the ceiling in her corridor, "yes," and we had a good laugh about it.

[noprophet]

It would be handy if we could get someone reliable to take a look into the earth and put some of the hollow earth questions to rest.

[Seikou-Kishi]

It would be handy if we could get someone reliable to take a look into the earth and put some of the hollow earth questions to rest.

Would people trust them if they gave an answer they didn't like? People are so attached to their ideas that they will devalue their confidence in someone if that person's first hand account doesn't correlate with their tenaciously held beliefs.

[gigha]

Hi Inelia, someone who i used to be very close to once told me that Mars was a place where various beings, entities or just travelers from other dimensions, planes etc. would go as a meeting place. I guess my question is have you ever heard anything about that. Love and Peace gigha.

[Inelia]

I haven't looked at the "Hollow Earth" topic or place at all actually, so know nothing about it. I have, however, looked at the hollow moon, and the aliens who are buzzing around our moon too, plus the humans there. And can be most certain that the moon is an artificial and hollow-ish artificial construct. Hollow as in an office building being hollow, not one big hole, but compartmentalized and with communication corridors all through the inside. I decided to take a look after a member mentioned it, and at the same time a friend sent me Ingo Swan's book "Penetration". My experience of RV the moon was somewhat different to Ingo's. It appears that they now get visited regularly by ordinary folk doing RV, so now they have a type of "welcome room", at least one of the species does. I couldn't work out if there is just one species there or whether they are groups who have like "embassies" or "watching posts" there from different species. I haven't had the time to go back and investigate it further.

You told me that you don't do remote viewing. What's up with that?

I actually did not say that I did not remove view. However, Bill is correct that I do go to the place, bi-location is a better description. What I have been describing are not "claims" but actual events, with witnesses in most cases, of things that have happened. FYI, these things are not at all unusual or unfamiliar in my family. To quote what I did say to you, "The only ability I lay claim to, is that of imparting information and tools that can be useful/empowering to others. And I always ask the person to check that the information resonates with them before doing it, because if it doesn't, it's wrong for them." You may go to my website, and if you think I am not doing this at all (which some people do think) then that's your proof of my claim being wrong for you.

Everything else is my subjective experience... with witnesses who collaborate them. Nothing I can lay claim to, prove or say it is even in any way important or unusual. It is my belief, that a completely rehabilitated human being and body, can do MUCH more than this.

And a group of people are even more powerful than any individual person.

For example, while I was in college in Dublin, I used to smoke cigarettes. I was sitting at a table with some friends, who, like you, had asked for proof of the psychic kind and had seen some during our years together. I lit a cigarette, then realised I needed to go to the loo. I was a bit annoyed because tobacco in Ireland is very expensive, and the way they design cigarettes means that even if you leave it unattended, it will burn completely. So, I picked it up, and said to it, "don't burn out," put it on the ashtray and walked off. When I got to the loo, I found it had a huge queue, so it took me a while to get back to the table. As I approached the table, I saw that all my friends were leaning toward the center of the table, watching something very intently. When I reached them, I saw that the cigarette had not burned out, not one millimeter. I reached over, picked it up and took a long drag, then looked at it and said, "thank you."

My friend all clapped and said, "wow", "amazing", "how did you do that," all that sort of stuff. So, I looked at them and said, "I didn't do a thing, you did it. You thought it was going to happen because I said it, and then it did happen." It wasn't me at all you see, it was them. I had forgotten about the thing as soon as I got to the loo. They knew I could do a few "weird" things, so they really believed that it would happen. They are, we are all, able to manipulate this holographic reality to the extent of our own "knowing" and rehabilitation.

Also remember that abilities are common, and they don't necessarily come packaged in "light" or even "wisdom", or even a "higher awareness". The reason, I believe, that these abilities do develop via a spiritual evolutionary journey, but a spiritual evolutionary journey does not develop from these abilities, is because the abilities belong to the body, and the spiritual journey, to the "spirit". So, even though anyone can find the information on the internet to do these things themselves, I would strongly suggest to match it with meditation, or other spiritual exercises, or they are in danger of losing their way (it can become a real distraction).

[Seikou-Kishi]

Inelia, you should use your bilocational ability to go somewhere new for a cup of tea... be frivolous lol


Edit:... shall I put the kettle on? :D

Edit 2:... although I would leap out of my skin :D

[Inelia]

Inelia, you should use your bilocational ability to go somewhere new for a cup of tea... be frivolous lol


Edit:... shall I put the kettle on? :D

Edit 2:... although I would leap out of my skin :D

LOL

I love it. Actually, that's not a bad idea. It would save on air fair, and would be much easier on my body (which suffers pain while traveling on airplanes). And think how we would cut down on our carbon footprint!!

Earlier I had a thought, I wanted to travel to Europe for a couple of hours, and, like all things, it is possible, all we have to do is remove the stops. Then I thought, oh dear, what if I get there, and then I can't get back, I've got to get my boy from daycare later, I'd have to call and tell his teacher, "errrr, I'm in Europe right now, can you hold him for a couple of days while I travel back please?"

I know, crazy thoughts right? ;)

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia, someone who i used to be very close to once told me that Mars was a place where various beings, entities or just travelers from other dimensions, planes etc. would go as a meeting place. I guess my question is have you ever heard anything about that. Love and Peace gigha.

No, I haven't. The only data I have on Mars is that stuff that Bill has been working on. Obviously there are being there, whether human or alien, and the place is very much like Earth, but apart from that, I've not taken a look.

[Seikou-Kishi]

It could be worse. "Hey, could you look after my boy for as long as it takes me to hijack the next shuttle from the Moon? Yeah visa problems, that's right"

[Inelia]

It could be worse. "Hey, could you look after my boy for as long as it takes me to hijack the next shuttle from the Moon? Yeah visa problems, that's right"

RAOFL

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Omni]

Hey Inelia. I'm wondering do you have the ability to see from other being's perspectives, independent from your own? Do you practice holographic perception, or do you have one dimensional(not nec. inferior as the truth is in some ways one dimensional) views on things.

What I mean by holographic perception is like looking at a holographic image on a piece of plastic. you move the angle of viewing it, the holographic picture shifts and changes, but it is one piece of material in whole(the premise = the material, the holographic nature = the different unique forms you can see with different angles[perception]). Basically I mean being able to hold multiple notions in your mind on things(not at once).

Also if you could remote view(I would call what you said remote viewing too IMHO because it is more clear said that way) me, and see how the entities controlling me are doing it I would be very grateful. You could do it pretty much at any time of the day. They control me all day pretty much... Although there may be periods when I am asleep when they are not altering me but the connection is there regardless. Are you able to feel things when you see them? I was shown supposedly how advanced ETs remote view things(or inter-dimensionals). They can feel things they view if what they claimed to me was right. Like everything has it's vibrations and everything has it's own energetic signature etc. Can you feel things when you do it? Might try it if you don't. Can you hear people's thoughts when you are around them in that form? Can you enter their mind?

I look forward to meeting you in June if you and Bill head to Portland, OR. :)

Thanks.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Wouldn't it be good if wherever Bill went on Avalon business, one of the nearby Avalonians planted a tree. There'd be a dispersed Avalonian forest tracing a web across the globe

[/idle sentimentalism]

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,

From a point of view of a being whose primary vibrational level is on the 10th dimension (or any other higher plane of existence), how do they (or you) perceive the lower density levels or dimensions? I mean, a being who has evolve past all the lower levels we are right now and "spends" its "existence" in that dimension, can it perceive what is going on on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc densities?

I know you go back and forth, and you have a body that anchors you to this 3D, so you can see it and interact with it, but an entity who has no real connection with the lower levels, can it "see" them? Like groups of energy? or like waves or consciousness points? or anything like that?

thanks for your time and patience! :-)

[Butterfli13]

I have not posted in QUITE awhile, I've just been taking alot of information in, and feeling what resonates with me... I've also been tending and nourishing my "sense" or "gift"... whatever you want to call it, with WONDERFUL and AMAZING results!

I know nothing about you, Inelia to be honest... for me, the jury is still out with this, because of personal reasons. There have been SO many changes on Avalon the past 6 months, I just don't know what to make of it... so I'm trying to catch up a bit.

Anyway, I will remain cautiously optimistic...

[Inelia]

Hey Inelia. I'm wondering do you have the ability to see from other being's perspectives, independent from your own? Do you practice holographic perception, or do you have one dimensional(not nec. inferior as the truth is in some ways one dimensional) views on things.

What I mean by holographic perception is like looking at a holographic image on a piece of plastic. you move the angle of viewing it, the holographic picture shifts and changes, but it is one piece of material in whole(the premise = the material, the holographic nature = the different unique forms you can see with different angles[perception]). Basically I mean being able to hold multiple notions in your mind on things(not at once).

Also if you could remote view(I would call what you said remote viewing too IMHO because it is more clear said that way) me, and see how the entities controlling me are doing it I would be very grateful. You could do it pretty much at any time of the day. They control me all day pretty much... Although there may be periods when I am asleep when they are not altering me but the connection is there regardless. Are you able to feel things when you see them? I was shown supposedly how advanced ETs remote view things(or inter-dimensionals). They can feel things they view if what they claimed to me was right. Like everything has it's vibrations and everything has it's own energetic signature etc. Can you feel things when you do it? Might try it if you don't. Can you hear people's thoughts when you are around them in that form? Can you enter their mind?

I look forward to meeting you in June if you and Bill head to Portland, OR. :)

Thanks.

Hi Omniverse,

From my family's perspective, the ability of seeing from another being's perspective is called "borrowing" (a term we "borrowed" from Terry Pratchett as he describes it so well in his novels). This is closely related to how animals and pants/trees communicate with us. There is a "sharing of each others' perspective" at an awareness viewpoint level. In other words, one becomes the other being for a split second or longer while.

As to straight "borrowing", permission is asked of the other being, then one moves into their viewpoint and body. For example, lets say we see a hawk or eagle in the sky and we want experience their experience of being up there. Permission is asked, if the eagle or hawk says yes, one can move in. But, it is very important to be a "passive passenger" at this point. If one tries to take over the body of the other being, it breaks down because that is no longer sharing a viewpoint, but becomes an attempt to control of another body. It is important to respect the other being's free will.

Telepathic communication is very much like this too. The concept of "thought transfer" is an unworkable model. Someone mentioned in another thread that Ingo Swan covered this in his book "Penetration". And I would use that reference too. So, when in the company of others, a type of "merge" occurs, where the individual viewpoints start joining together and being shared. Some individuals experience this at a "feeling" level, others at a "word" level, others at a "visual" level, or a combination of all.

A holographic viewpoint. That is a very good way to put it. Not sure if my interpretation would be exactly the same. Although I do have different "focused" attention on various things at the same time, I really don't have much thoughts on them. The gap between thoughts in my mind is rather large.

As to your other question, can I see what they are doing to you? I see lots of noise and interference around you. What it is, what it's doing, or where it comes from I don't know. Look forward to seeing more in person when we go to Portland :)

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

From a point of view of a being whose primary vibrational level is on the 10th dimension (or any other higher plane of existence), how do they (or you) perceive the lower density levels or dimensions? I mean, a being who has evolve past all the lower levels we are right now and "spends" its "existence" in that dimension, can it perceive what is going on on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc densities?

I know you go back and forth, and you have a body that anchors you to this 3D, so you can see it and interact with it, but an entity who has no real connection with the lower levels, can it "see" them? Like groups of energy? or like waves or consciousness points? or anything like that?

thanks for your time and patience! :-)

Hi David,

I wouldn't call the 10th D my primary vibrational level, but it does help a lot.

As to my personal perception of the denser dimensions, yes, I do have this body here so I can perceive it quite well - although many of my friends have had to educate me on what is actually on the 3D and what is not, or not considered "normal" (and cannot be seen/perceived by others). As to entities who do not have bodies here, I am pretty certain they can perceive denser dimensions, but cannot "affect" it directly. They can do so indirectly, through influencing, or appearing and/or talking to individuals in the denser dimensions. However, I think the latter is more to do with the rules of the game than their ability to do. What do you think?

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,

From a point of view of a being whose primary vibrational level is on the 10th dimension (or any other higher plane of existence), how do they (or you) perceive the lower density levels or dimensions? I mean, a being who has evolve past all the lower levels we are right now and "spends" its "existence" in that dimension, can it perceive what is going on on the 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc densities?

I know you go back and forth, and you have a body that anchors you to this 3D, so you can see it and interact with it, but an entity who has no real connection with the lower levels, can it "see" them? Like groups of energy? or like waves or consciousness points? or anything like that?

thanks for your time and patience! :-)

Hi David,

I wouldn't call the 10th D my primary vibrational level, but it does help a lot.

As to my personal perception of the denser dimensions, yes, I do have this body here so I can perceive it quite well - although many of my friends have had to educate me on what is actually on the 3D and what is not, or not considered "normal" (and cannot be seen/perceived by others). As to entities who do not have bodies here, I am pretty certain they can perceive denser dimensions, but cannot "affect" it directly. They can do so indirectly, through influencing, or appearing and/or talking to individuals in the denser dimensions. However, I think the latter is more to do with the rules of the game than their ability to do. What do you think?

Hi Inelia,
As for influencing others from a lower density or dimension, pretty much agree that you have to obey the game rules of that dimension/game. I am aware that our HS can "physically" influence our 3D reality if needed (like for instance, avoiding anything that would really put in peril its plans for a certain incarnation to be completed) but I guess this is because they simply are part of the game which is played at different levels and they have that right.

Entities from the negative astrals, for instance, do always have to get "permission" from a person in order to influence it (or attach to it), at least for what I see, so they trick us or offer plenty of stuff. Guess you will believe me if I say that I have allowed negative entities attach to my aura (not posses me) in exchange of happiness (and this is pretty much common!), they dress up as ascended masters, guides, beings of light, etc, and trick you during your astral wanderings specially while dreaming.

I would think that it is the same as the beings that are behind most of the people your deal with (the red cardinal that you talk in your interview came to mind for example), that only can influence them if the human soul originally incarnated in that body gives permission, otherwise it can not be done.

But it is a pretty much complex subjecct, I still do not get for instance why a being from the upper places or densities would be interested in the lower ones, even if it is to help. Do no get me wrong, this is pretty much a huge game, we are the players and we agree to come here to learn, but once you have move beyond this learning and are already evolving somewhere else, why come back to this "childish" game (for an "adult" being who has played for thousands of years)?

It is not that it is not appreciated, it is that I can not see why being in the last year of university, would be interested in what is going on in kindergarden :-)

hugs!

[humanalien]

I haven't looked at the "Hollow Earth" topic or place at all actually, so know nothing about it. I have, however, looked at the hollow moon, and the aliens who are buzzing around our moon too, plus the humans there. And can be most certain that the moon is an artificial and hollow-ish artificial construct. Hollow as in an office building being hollow, not one big hole, but compartmentalized and with communication corridors all through the inside. I decided to take a look after a member mentioned it, and at the same time a friend sent me Ingo Swan's book "Penetration". My experience of RV the moon was somewhat different to Ingo's. It appears that they now get visited regularly by ordinary folk doing RV, so now they have a type of "welcome room", at least one of the species does. I couldn't work out if there is just one species there or whether they are groups who have like "embassies" or "watching posts" there from different species. I haven't had the time to go back and investigate it further.

You told me that you don't do remote viewing. What's up with that?

I actually did not say that I did not remove view. However, Bill is correct that I do go to the place, bi-location is a better description. What I have been describing are not "claims" but actual events, with witnesses in most cases, of things that have happened. FYI, these things are not at all unusual or unfamiliar in my family. To quote what I did say to you, "The only ability I lay claim to, is that of imparting information and tools that can be useful/empowering to others. And I always ask the person to check that the information resonates with them before doing it, because if it doesn't, it's wrong for them." You may go to my website, and if you think I am not doing this at all (which some people do think) then that's your proof of my claim being wrong for you.

Everything else is my subjective experience... with witnesses who collaborate them. Nothing I can lay claim to, prove or say it is even in any way important or unusual. It is my belief, that a completely rehabilitated human being and body, can do MUCH more than this.

And a group of people are even more powerful than any individual person.

For example, while I was in college in Dublin, I used to smoke cigarettes. I was sitting at a table with some friends, who, like you, had asked for proof of the psychic kind and had seen some during our years together. I lit a cigarette, then realised I needed to go to the loo. I was a bit annoyed because tobacco in Ireland is very expensive, and the way they design cigarettes means that even if you leave it unattended, it will burn completely. So, I picked it up, and said to it, "don't burn out," put it on the ashtray and walked off. When I got to the loo, I found it had a huge queue, so it took me a while to get back to the table. As I approached the table, I saw that all my friends were leaning toward the center of the table, watching something very intently. When I reached them, I saw that the cigarette had not burned out, not one millimeter. I reached over, picked it up and took a long drag, then looked at it and said, "thank you."

My friend all clapped and said, "wow", "amazing", "how did you do that," all that sort of stuff. So, I looked at them and said, "I didn't do a thing, you did it. You thought it was going to happen because I said it, and then it did happen." It wasn't me at all you see, it was them. I had forgotten about the thing as soon as I got to the loo. They knew I could do a few "weird" things, so they really believed that it would happen. They are, we are all, able to manipulate this holographic reality to the extent of our own "knowing" and rehabilitation.

Also remember that abilities are common, and they don't necessarily come packaged in "light" or even "wisdom", or even a "higher awareness". The reason, I believe, that these abilities do develop via a spiritual evolutionary journey, but a spiritual evolutionary journey does not develop from these abilities, is because the abilities belong to the body, and the spiritual journey, to the "spirit". So, even though anyone can find the information on the internet to do these things themselves, I would strongly suggest to match it with meditation, or other spiritual exercises, or they are in danger of losing their way (it can become a real distraction).

Ok. I stand corrected. I took what you told me to mean that you either didn't do
remote viewing or that you couldn't do remote viewing. My mistake and i do apologize.

[humanalien]

Some people here are asking you about middle earth and if you have
ever RVed there before. I'd like to ask you if you would be interested
in RVing middle earth and reporting back what you have seen?

Your story wouldn't be any more believable or unbelievable than the
current stories that are already on the internet.

I'm not testing you here. I have a real interest in what really lays
in middle earth, as do many other people.

[angel-sylph]

Hi Inelia,

I have totally enjoyed reading all your posts on this thread.

I am not quite sure how to reply with post - but you were talking about borrowing, how the plants and trees communicate with us, and telepathy.

This reminded me of experience I had - I was camping with my husband next to some big redwood trees. Before we went to sleep I telepathically ask him if he wanted to go to the top of the trees with me that night. He said he did so we went to the top of trees and had a wonderful time. The next morning he was totally freaked out.

So - my question is - has this kind of thing happened to you? Have people around you wanted to see or experience different things and then freaked out afterwards? And how do you handle it?

Thanks,
Laura

[Billy]

I think perhaps for the the sake of clarity we need to try to clearly define what we are talking about when use the term "soul". In many new age texts it is become synonymous with the astral body, the personality that is self aware when someone astral projects, has a near death experience etc. I think perhaps in the original definitions of the word it is more closely related with what people generally call the higher self, or the individual jiva (divine individualized spark) that separates from the atman or the group spirit. The Taoist terms for this are ling and shen. To understand these concepts clearly can get quite complex and to be honest has little practical value for the person just starting out. From one perspective it can be said that you have a individualized soul and spirit and from another perspective it can be said that you do not. From my perspective both are correct. When looking at the term "soul" from this perspective the average person has a very limited connection to higherself/soul and the primary form of communication between the waking self and the soul is through unconscious/sub conscious means.

Let me say this, the white light that people see when they have a near death experience could be thought of as your soul, it comes down from heaven and reels your astral body back in when your time is up. As people experience it, they see themselves separate from it, yet if they choose they can or cannot merge back into it.

The trick is to merge the soul light into the physical/astral body while still alive in order to become a full expression of the divinity.

Yes i think i would also like to add to the term Spirit/Soul if i may. Spirit and soul are 2 out of the 3 energies which make up your completeness as a human being, The 3rd being Mind, When Mind, Spirit and soul are blended together completely, You have pure energy which is pure soul,

SPIRIT is the soul that manifests both in the physical world and the atmosphere of the physical world. It is the vehicle, it is the astral body.

MIND is connected to the soul, The mind is the intelligence of the soul.

The Mind is connected to the soul, Spirit is connected to the body, The Soul is independent of the body, Not "in" the body, The soul is connected to the Etheric Body.
3 bodies, Etheric, Astral and Physical. Like an egg, the chick is the Physical body, The membrane is the Astral Body and the Shell is the Etheric. ( The Cover )

The Physical body takes form, also the soul takes form, There is no death of the soul or spirit or of emotionally experienced energy. We do not become enlightened through the passing of death, When we pass over, WE Are Who We Are here on earth, Our time on earth is our time to become Enlightened. Please be in control of you Physical Body as those that want to control gain access to your soul, Do not allow other own your soul.

SPIRIT.
All Spirit, ALL that is each of you contained within self, is all the essence of the divine source creator contained within each of you continues into eternity.


There is a time coming when a soul will have full memory of the agreement of choosing mother and father, Therefore the importance of that family will be the bringing forth a SOUL, and for that soul to nurture the parents and both parents to nurture that soul for the evolutionary and universal growth.
Barriers will fall away, The heaviness of the density will Peel away in preparation for the Blooming of Mother Earth.

I think this is a fantastic thread, everyone can learn so much here, Thank you Inelia and Bill and everyone for sharing their thoughts, wisdom and Knowledge, This is my input for just now, I hope it is not off topic.

Bless Ya All

[silvervioletrubie]

Pardon me if this has been covered previously.

I am contemplating timelines and how these unfold. My question to Inelia and everyone is...how/can we identify "nodes" in our lives that are junctions with multiple highly probably paths. Which would then create new timelines for our element of the source to follow.

I guess the first question would be...is this perspective indicative of the process as you see it Inelia (and/or Bill)?

I am trying to grasp this in an attempt to begin finding "myself" in other timelines.

Thanks!

[noprophet]

Some people here are asking you about middle earth and if you have
ever RVed there before. I'd like to ask you if you would be interested
in RVing middle earth and reporting back what you have seen?

Your story wouldn't be any more believable or unbelievable than the
current stories that are already on the internet.

I'm not testing you here. I have a real interest in what really lays
in middle earth, as do many other people.

Like Seikou said there will be those who fervently disagree with the results one way or the other no matter what. But for those of us who are simply interested and consider you a reliable source - it would be very much appreciated.

[David Topí]

L et me say this, the white light that people see when they have a near death experience could be thought of as your soul, it comes down from heaven and reels your astral body back in when your time is up. As people experience it, they see themselves separate from it, yet if they choose they can or cannot merge back into it.

The trick is to merge the soul light into the physical/astral body while still alive in order to become a full expression of the divinity.

Yes i think i would also like to add to the term Spirit/Soul if i may. Spirit and soul are 2 out of the 3 energies which make up your completeness as a human being, The 3rd being Mind, When Mind, Spirit and soul are blended together completely, You have pure energy which is pure soul,

SPIRIT is the soul that manifests both in the physical word and the atmosphere of the physical world. It is the vehicle, it is the astral body.

MIND is connected to the soul, The mind is the intelligence of the soul.

The Mind is connected to the soul, Spirit is connected to the body, The Soul is independent of the body, Not "in" the body, The soul is connected to the Etheric Body.
3 bodies, Etheric, Astral and Physical. Like an egg, the chick is the Physical body, The membrane is the Astral Body and the Shell is the Etheric. ( The Cover )

The Physical body takes form, also the soul takes form, There is no death of the soul or spirit or of emotionally experienced energy. We do not become enlightened through the passing of death, When we pass over, WE Are Who We Are here on earth, Our time on earth is our time to become Enlightened. Please be in control of you Physical Body as those that want to control gain access to your soul, Do not allow other own your soul.

SPIRIT.
All Spirit, ALL that is each of you contained within self, is all the essence of the divine source creator contained within each of you continues into eternity.


There is a time coming when a soul will have full memory of the agreement of choosing mother and father, Therefore the importance of that family will be the bringing forth a SOUL, and for that soul to nurture the parents and both parents to nurture that soul for the evolutionary and universal growth.
Barriers will fall away, The heaviness of the density will Peel away in preparation for the Blooming of Mother Earth.

I think this is a fantastic thread, everyone can learn so much here, Thank you Inelia and Bill and everyone for sharing their thoughts, wisdom and Knowledge, This is my input for just now, I hope it is not off topic.

Bless Ya All

Hi billyji,
great post, I share the basic same understanding of the structure, but a slight different terminology. I would explain the whole process from "source" to "human body" to be something like:

Source --> Creation of the HS (an entity is "being born") --> Achieves a certain "maturity" ---> is ready to incarnate and evolve using the human body vehicle --> the HS "sends" a part of himself, projects himself into a tiny portion of awareness energy= the soul or the basic "spiritual" body --> The soul is ready to incarnate -- > "puts" around itself first the mental body (first "shell") --> puts "around" itself the emotional or astral body (second shelf") --> creates the etheric body --> moves into a human physical body.

While alive, the chakra system and the aura, together with the meridians and the rest of the energetic channels are working. When we die, the chakra system and the aura stop working, but we still have the etheric, astral or emotional and mental body surrounding the soul which moves on with us.

If you astral project, you take with you part of the energy of the etheric body (to do assistance to others for instance), or you simply drop it and you OOBE with your astral/emotional and mental body.

When we die, we leave behind first thing the etheric body, which dissipates quite fast. But until the moment we reintegrate with our HS we spend quite some time in the astrals, being the same "person" that we were, because we still have the same emotional/astral body and the mental one.

Then depending if your HS is using "reincarnation" (sequential method) or simultaneous, you simply start the whole process all over again or fully reintegrate for once and all into your HS.
Just the way I managed to the get picture, as said, I guess it is basically the same structure but different wordings :-)

David

[araucaria]

It can be a bit more subtle than that; things can produce doubt and gradually gnaw away at entrenched ideas. In fact I'd say this is how it usually works.



It would be handy if we could get someone reliable to take a look into the earth and put some of the hollow earth questions to rest.

Would people trust them if they gave an answer they didn't like? People are so attached to their ideas that they will devalue their confidence in someone if that person's first hand account doesn't correlate with their tenaciously held beliefs.

[araucaria]

Earlier I had a thought, I wanted to travel to Europe for a couple of hours, and, like all things, it is possible, all we have to do is remove the stops. Then I thought, oh dear, what if I get there, and then I can't get back,;)

Inelia, now I am confused! If you can get a cigarette to wait for you, how could you fail to get your 'driver/pilot' to wait (he might charge a bit!)?

[noprophet]

Inelia, now I am confused! If you can get a cigarette to wait for you, how could you fail to get your 'driver/pilot' to wait (he might charge a bit!)?

If I understood correctly it was not her action that made it burn slowly but rather the focus of the group she was with in response to her action.

[greybeard]

Everyone genuinely thinks they are right and doing the right thing--- that is everyone without exception is acting for the best.

That is a quote from the relationship thread.
It may seem of topic.
It may be helpful
Have a look at the thread if the subject interests you

Chris

[Jeffrey]

Sri Ramakrishna describes God's relationship to the universe as being similar to a spider and it's web. The cosmos is in God as the thread of a spider is in its belly, and as a spider sits centered in its web so God remains at the core of all creation. At the end of the day the spider eats it's web and rebuilds it anew the next day. All must return to the source, yet all are already one with the source. To the selfish ego we are like an insect trapped in His web of life. The ego is animated by the soul. In varying degrees the ego provides the mechanism necessary to be separate from God. It is required and should not be denied or repressed. We need to learn with it in order to better understand ourselves.

We are seeking union with the Source. God is seeking fulfillment through mans ignorance. Not that He needs to seek anything because He is Infinite, but that's just it. God needs no motive for creation; it's a byproduct of His Being. The concept of the Absolute Existence-Knowledge-Bliss has to have something outside of itself to justify it, but nothing can be outside of it because it is Infinite in every way. Our being is nothing more than a seed of divinity planted by God destined to blossom into individuality. This inherent manifestation provides the illusion of isolation. It all remains Self-contained. This is what gives the Lord His identity. Creation is God's mirror. Man is God's means of observance. Our awareness is an intrinsic cog in the machinery of a conscious Universe. This idea would suggest that our soul purpose here in this world is to witness God, to behold Him in all things, and practice a constant recollectedness of His presence. God must have a means to experience the finite and limited without nullifying His infinite nature. We are the apparatus for this Divine stipulation.

Agog only when the Mind of God is in a state of slumber
can he manifest the ignorance to satiate the wonder.

I feel as if we are transitioning from a dream state to a lucid dream. Step by sweet step we will wake up to our True Self.

In taking this mission and by signing the contract of ignorance, it was known that we would eventually 'cycle' back; making our way through higher vibrations that would eventually resonate with the Source.

Inelia, I would love to hear your thoughts on the machinery of the Divine cosmos, the purpose of the soul, and the function of that purpose.