The Inelia thread

[greybeard]

Vivek
All true
The out breath and the in breath of God

Ramesh Balsekar and every enlightened teacher says the same.

Thanks
Chris

[humanalien]

Some people here are asking you about middle earth and if you have
ever RVed there before. I'd like to ask you if you would be interested
in RVing middle earth and reporting back what you have seen?

Your story wouldn't be any more believable or unbelievable than the
current stories that are already on the internet.

I'm not testing you here. I have a real interest in what really lays
in middle earth, as do many other people.

Like Seikou said there will be those who fervently disagree with the results one way or the other no matter what. But for those of us who are simply interested and consider you a reliable source - it would be very much appreciated.

I agree with that.

Testing 1-2-3 Testing

I replied to this post once and it looks like i somehow sent
Inelia a pm. Don't know how that happened..

[bennycog]

Ok since there has been a lot of questions on dimensions here i would love to ask about 2d and the perception invloved. for a 2d world to be workable wouldnt it have to be the smallest molecule, the smallest piece of matter. So this would contain only forward and backwards not up and down?
And what discern does it have when 3d matter passes through its plane?
Does it even know that itself even exists?
Is 2d the building blocks for all our dimensions. Would 2d universes be in on and around every little apsect of our existence. And so would that make us the building blocks to the next one?
What insight could a traveller concieve by entering back into that dimension?

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,
As for influencing others from a lower density or dimension, pretty much agree that you have to obey the game rules of that dimension/game. I am aware that our HS can "physically" influence our 3D reality if needed (like for instance, avoiding anything that would really put in peril its plans for a certain incarnation to be completed) but I guess this is because they simply are part of the game which is played at different levels and they have that right.

Entities from the negative astrals, for instance, do always have to get "permission" from a person in order to influence it (or attach to it), at least for what I see, so they trick us or offer plenty of stuff. Guess you will believe me if I say that I have allowed negative entities attach to my aura (not posses me) in exchange of happiness (and this is pretty much common!), they dress up as ascended masters, guides, beings of light, etc, and trick you during your astral wanderings specially while dreaming.

I would think that it is the same as the beings that are behind most of the people your deal with (the red cardinal that you talk in your interview came to mind for example), that only can influence them if the human soul originally incarnated in that body gives permission, otherwise it can not be done.

But it is a pretty much complex subjecct, I still do not get for instance why a being from the upper places or densities would be interested in the lower ones, even if it is to help. Do no get me wrong, this is pretty much a huge game, we are the players and we agree to come here to learn, but once you have move beyond this learning and are already evolving somewhere else, why come back to this "childish" game (for an "adult" being who has played for thousands of years)?

It is not that it is not appreciated, it is that I can not see why being in the last year of university, would be interested in what is going on in kindergarden :-)

hugs!

Hi David,

Bill gave a great explanation for the interest of "higher" beings on the 3D of the planet during the Sacramento seminar. I am afraid I won't be giving it justice. So hope he will answer this himself.

From my personal perspective, it's like there was a collective call to bring back a type of energetic balance and allow free will of individuals to kick back in so that they are able to make a real decision on what they want to do during this shift. At the moment, the majority of people are not being allowed to move into full awareness by tptb (who are simply puppets of other beings), through fear and stress (the lowest possible vibration). The influx of light beings on the planet, and also influence of "higher light beings" has been to make the "game" fair again.

EDIT: WOW lost of interesting questions and information today! I will definitely try to get back online again tonight and continue the dialogue. I'd like to applaud everyone who is jumping in with their insights, it's creating a very rich and helpful interchange.

[Normalguy31]

Hey Inelia, what a thread the last few pages have been great!

I have never had a oobe experience or astral projected before, but really would like to do so.

My question to you, and anyone else who has experience, Is do you have any techniques, practices, etc. that you can suggest to someone who is new at doing this, or maybe a suggestion to an expert in this field?

[happyexpat]

Normalguy, I'll chime in on this one. I actually think most people have experienced astral travel and just don't realise it!

Have you ever had a dream you were flying? Or dreamed about a trip to a place you haven't been in this lifetime and then seen pictures of it later and recognised it?

There are many different ways to experience it. I personally am not a fan of 'hypnosis' per se. I have my own opinions about it not being beneficial. I would focus on guided meditations where you connect back to 'source', 'higher self' whatever one would like to call it. Apparently there is also a lot of success using binaural beats. I found it happened a lot more readily with a cleaned up diet. All of the classic things everyone will tell you. Detox, detox, detox. Stay organic. No fluoride in water or toothpaste. Etc.

Sometimes I lay in bed at night, and think about somewhere I would like to go, and I just end up spending the night there while the physical body is sleeping.

I do find it to be more of a challenge to have these experiences with a young One wanting to wake up and nurse in the middle of the night. Once we are weaned, I think it will get back to being much easier again.

For me, when it got really interesting was when I had an astral travel where I also went forward in time a week. I dreamed I was flying over beautiful waters and I landed on top of a mountain. I didn't recognise these mountains easily as anywhere I had ever been. Then, looking into the valley I saw what appeared to be an L shape of either explosions or implosions, and everything started shaking. I was trying to hold onto a rock, but it was shaking, too, and I jerked back into the body.

The really weird part of it (for me anyhow) was that on January 11th I was telling people about the dream at a dinner party, and the next morning was the earthquake in Haiti. It really threw me for a loop. I already knew that was where I had been the week before, but going to look at pictures of Haiti left me certain. I was actually a bit grateful I had told people about it the night before at the dinner party. At least there are 20 or so people who don't think I am nuts when I tell them about it. ;)

[Normalguy31]

Normalguy, I'll chime in on this one. I actually think most people have experienced astral travel and just don't realise it!

Have you ever had a dream you were flying? Or dreamed about a trip to a place you haven't been in this lifetime and then seen pictures of it later and recognised it?

There are many different ways to experience it. I personally am not a fan of 'hypnosis' per se. I have my own opinions about it not being beneficial. I would focus on guided meditations where you connect back to 'source', 'higher self' whatever one would like to call it. Apparently there is also a lot of success using binaural beats. I found it happened a lot more readily with a cleaned up diet. All of the classic things everyone will tell you. Detox, detox, detox. Stay organic. No fluoride in water or toothpaste. Etc.

Sometimes I lay in bed at night, and think about somewhere I would like to go, and I just end up spending the night there while the physical body is sleeping.

I do find it to be more of a challenge to have these experiences with a young One wanting to wake up and nurse in the middle of the night. Once we are weaned, I think it will get back to being much easier again.

For me, when it got really interesting was when I had an astral travel where I also went forward in time a week. I dreamed I was flying over beautiful waters and I landed on top of a mountain. I didn't recognise these mountains easily as anywhere I had ever been. Then, looking into the valley I saw what appeared to be an L shape of either explosions or implosions, and everything started shaking. I was trying to hold onto a rock, but it was shaking, too, and I jerked back into the body.

The really weird part of it (for me anyhow) was that on January 11th I was telling people about the dream at a dinner party, and the next morning was the earthquake in Haiti. It really threw me for a loop. I already knew that was where I had been the week before, but going to look at pictures of Haiti left me certain. I was actually a bit grateful I had told people about it the night before at the dinner party. At least there are 20 or so people who don't think I am nuts when I tell them about it. ;)

Thank you for your input, much appreciated!

What a story about the earthquake! I would imagine its hard to tell that to someone, and not get some funny looks lol.

I actually had somewhat of an oobe I guess in a dream just a few weeks ago. It was 4:00 or so in the morning, and a rooster started to cockadoodle doo for some reason across the way (I live in the country) and got my dogs all excited, and barking. I suddenly became conscious, and I was in some kind of light body, and was in a realm of nothing but bright vivid colors. I could hear myself thinking in my physical body "What the hell are the dogs barking at?" and as soon as I heard it i snapped to some kind of place still not in my physical body, and could still hear myself thinking, but from an outside perspective, "what are the dogs going crazy about?", and then I snapped back to my physical body and woke up in an instant.

It was so cool!!! I think what your saying is very true. I think that is exactly what happened in this dream, for a lack of a better word.

I have been trying to figure out how to get back there ever since. I would like to be conscious of it for more than just an instant. It felt so wonderful, and just for the instant I remember it has been on my mind ever since!

Thanks again Kisthemum!

[trenairio]

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[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hei Inelia and Bill .. I think its awesome the direction this is going .

The balance of and introduction of a more spiritually based discussion is what we need IMO ..

Too much concentration on fear based reportage can be counterproductive.. I think you're empowering people to have confidence and discernment !

Hats off to you both :)

Yey !

N
N

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,
As for influencing others from a lower density or dimension, pretty much agree that you have to obey the game rules of that dimension/game. I am aware that our HS can "physically" influence our 3D reality if needed (like for instance, avoiding anything that would really put in peril its plans for a certain incarnation to be completed) but I guess this is because they simply are part of the game which is played at different levels and they have that right.

Entities from the negative astrals, for instance, do always have to get "permission" from a person in order to influence it (or attach to it), at least for what I see, so they trick us or offer plenty of stuff. Guess you will believe me if I say that I have allowed negative entities attach to my aura (not posses me) in exchange of happiness (and this is pretty much common!), they dress up as ascended masters, guides, beings of light, etc, and trick you during your astral wanderings specially while dreaming.

I would think that it is the same as the beings that are behind most of the people your deal with (the red cardinal that you talk in your interview came to mind for example), that only can influence them if the human soul originally incarnated in that body gives permission, otherwise it can not be done.

But it is a pretty much complex subjecct, I still do not get for instance why a being from the upper places or densities would be interested in the lower ones, even if it is to help. Do no get me wrong, this is pretty much a huge game, we are the players and we agree to come here to learn, but once you have move beyond this learning and are already evolving somewhere else, why come back to this "childish" game (for an "adult" being who has played for thousands of years)?

It is not that it is not appreciated, it is that I can not see why being in the last year of university, would be interested in what is going on in kindergarden :-)

hugs!

Hi David,

Bill gave a great explanation for the interest of "higher" beings on the 3D of the planet during the Sacramento seminar. I am afraid I won't be giving it justice. So hope he will answer this himself.

From my personal perspective, it's like there was a collective call to bring back a type of energetic balance and allow free will of individuals to kick back in so that they are able to make a real decision on what they want to do during this shift. At the moment, the majority of people are not being allowed to move into full awareness by tptb (who are simply puppets of other beings), through fear and stress (the lowest possible vibration). The influx of light beings on the planet, and also influence of "higher light beings" has been to make the "game" fair again.

EDIT: WOW lost of interesting questions and information today! I will definitely try to get back online again tonight and continue the dialogue. I'd like to applaud everyone who is jumping in with their insights, it's creating a very rich and helpful interchange.

While waiting (really! :-)) for Bill to explain again this, do you think that the earth itself (the planetary spirit, Gaia or divine mother, etc) was involved in the call itself?

I am asking because I have the feeling that the planet, also evolving and increasing its vibrational state and moving itself to its next "level" was in need of external help to restore true balance. So the help was not just because humans are being "opressed" and manipulated, but because the Earth itself needed help for the sake of her own evolution. That this resonates with you at any level?

gracias!

[motherlove]

When I was very young I had a recurring dream the visual was not as dominant as the feeling. The only way I can explain it is I felt crumbled (like you would with a piece of paper) and stuffed into something it made no sense to me really until now. I'm wondering was that my spirit stuffing itself into the body? I would be interesting in Inelia's thoughts on this.

I knew I had gifts and a heightened awareness when I was very young and this scared me for some reason so I asked not to have them. I've spent the rest of my life to now working on getting them back. It's been my experience that if your motives are based in humility and integrity amazing and miraculous things take place.

So nice to be apart of this forum. Warm Regards

[AuCo]

Indeed, we are being harvested. All the information I have on this, is something that relates to the story The Tower of Babel depicts. Human beings in their natural state are extremely powerful. It was human beings who built great cities in the past, lifting huge stones with their kinetic abilities, they were able to "see" the "gods" too. All these things were blocked from the human body. Ask your body: were you disempowered by an external species?" Your body will respond and give you a yes or no.

Thank you Inelia,

The answer I get is the one I have known my entire life- I am restricted. My question is why and to what end? What are we/our energy being harvested for? Why was it necessary for humans to be cut off from their natural abilities and what energy or force is behind this? I want so badly to leave here and exist in the freedom I have only dreamed of, and yet external forces keep me firmly in place. I do not understand the need to control other beings. Thank you very much for your help.

I think that the reason is their own lack of awareness and enslavement to the 3D construct as well as fear to what we are becoming. As we move out of this enslavement as a species, we can also direct our attention onto the beings who enslaved us eons ago (some say they are called Annunaki - I have not investigated it much personally), their level of awareness will lift too, and as they move out of our planet, there is also a possibility that their transition to releasing all planets that they have enslaved will have began also.

At the end of the day, for me anyway, it doesn't really matter why others do what they do. What matters is how we can stop whatever they do affecting us directly. We can regain these abilities, awareness, and knowing, and the seminars and work that Bill and I are embarking on is the exploration and co-creation of exactly this. We don't have all the answers individually, but as a large and expanding co-creative movement, we have a lot of them.

Was the so-called "enslavement" of humans on Earth in any tiny way for their own good and maybe others. I wonder if we should investigate the opposite of what seems already apparent. Just a thought.

[Inelia]

Some people here are asking you about middle earth and if you have
ever RVed there before. I'd like to ask you if you would be interested
in RVing middle earth and reporting back what you have seen?

Your story wouldn't be any more believable or unbelievable than the
current stories that are already on the internet.

I'm not testing you here. I have a real interest in what really lays
in middle earth, as do many other people.

Hi, it would be interesting to do a group "seeing" for this.

In order for me to go somewhere I need a location. So, for example, map coordinates, plus a depth.
When I decided I needed that, I was told to go to some mountains North of Eastern Europe somewhere, (I am not very good at geography, it was east of Russia - but up north). Anyway, as I approached the place and went "in" a very odd thing happen, it was almost like a shift in dimensionality. It was fresh, clear and unpolluted. It only lasted a few seconds. There was a benevolent sentient feeling there.

My opinion would be that this is not in the 3D as such. It reminded me very much of those pictures that look like a jumble of stuff, but if you stare at them long enough, they become 3D pictures. Or those sidewalk pictures that don't make sense, until one stand in exactly the right place, and booom! a 3D picture appears. In other words, it's there, but one needs to be in the "right viewpoint place" to see it.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

I have totally enjoyed reading all your posts on this thread.

I am not quite sure how to reply with post - but you were talking about borrowing, how the plants and trees communicate with us, and telepathy.

This reminded me of experience I had - I was camping with my husband next to some big redwood trees. Before we went to sleep I telepathically ask him if he wanted to go to the top of the trees with me that night. He said he did so we went to the top of trees and had a wonderful time. The next morning he was totally freaked out.

So - my question is - has this kind of thing happened to you? Have people around you wanted to see or experience different things and then freaked out afterwards? And how do you handle it?

Thanks,
Laura

I have had a couple of people freak out. Others want to find out what the "trick" is. But mostly people take it in their stride. There again, most of the people I interact with have had these experiences themselves, and know there's more to life than what's "normal".

[Inelia]

Pardon me if this has been covered previously.

I am contemplating timelines and how these unfold. My question to Inelia and everyone is...how/can we identify "nodes" in our lives that are junctions with multiple highly probably paths. Which would then create new timelines for our element of the source to follow.

I guess the first question would be...is this perspective indicative of the process as you see it Inelia (and/or Bill)?

I am trying to grasp this in an attempt to begin finding "myself" in other timelines.

Thanks!

The nodes are indeed there. But I found them in reverse. For example, there's an Inelia living in Paris, I went to her to learn French (she was able to impart the pronunciation to a certain degree, but not the vocabulary). Anyway, I asked her how she got there, and she showed me a point in my life when I nearly went to live with a commune of Chileans (the music group "Los Jaivas") and their families in France in the early 80s. As I remembered the day, it was very much touch and go in this one.

Sometimes, in our daily life, there will be a moment of decision. When we think very hard about a decision that we know will affect our lives. And when we make it, it feels like a weight was lifted. Those are present time nodes.

But I do think that the past nodes are not as important as the timeline we want to get in touch with. We need a very specific set of circumstances to tap into, then we can explore if we are curious. Also, we can tap into this timeline future, and play around with different decisions to see what happens, or go to the one we want to achieve, and ask our future self how we got there :)

[Inelia]

Sri Ramakrishna describes God's relationship to the universe as being similar to a spider and it's web. The cosmos is in God as the thread of a spider is in its belly, and as a spider sits centered in its web so God remains at the core of all creation. At the end of the day the spider eats it's web and rebuilds it anew the next day. All must return to the source, yet all are already one with the source. To the selfish ego we are like an insect trapped in His web of life. The ego is animated by the soul. In varying degrees the ego provides the mechanism necessary to be separate from God. It is required and should not be denied or repressed. We need to learn with it in order to better understand ourselves.

We are seeking union with the Source. God is seeking fulfillment through mans ignorance. Not that He needs to seek anything because He is Infinite, but that's just it. God needs no motive for creation; it's a byproduct of His Being. The concept of the Absolute Existence-Knowledge-Bliss has to have something outside of itself to justify it, but nothing can be outside of it because it is Infinite in every way. Our being is nothing more than a seed of divinity planted by God destined to blossom into individuality. This inherent manifestation provides the illusion of isolation. It all remains Self-contained. This is what gives the Lord His identity. Creation is God's mirror. Man is God's means of observance. Our awareness is an intrinsic cog in the machinery of a conscious Universe. This idea would suggest that our soul purpose here in this world is to witness God, to behold Him in all things, and practice a constant recollectedness of His presence. God must have a means to experience the finite and limited without nullifying His infinite nature. We are the apparatus for this Divine stipulation.

Agog only when the Mind of God is in a state of slumber
can he manifest the ignorance to satiate the wonder.

I feel as if we are transitioning from a dream state to a lucid dream. Step by sweet step we will wake up to our True Self.

In taking this mission and by signing the contract of ignorance, it was known that we would eventually 'cycle' back; making our way through higher vibrations that would eventually resonate with the Source.

Inelia, I would love to hear your thoughts on the machinery of the Divine cosmos, the purpose of the soul, and the function of that purpose.

This is a beautiful description. I would personally use different words for God.

The problem when trying to describe these things is that by the act of describing them we already put limitations in the perception and "acts", as it were. It is like describing an entire puzzle by showing one piece of it. However, when a person has not seen any pieces, the one piece will allow them to reach the whole puzzle.

I think that a dialogue on the machinery of the cosmos is expansive and at the same time, limiting when only words are used. Poets, musicians, artists, get to tap into it a little more, because they weave in some of the experience and feeling of it... a larger richness of experience. Alas, I am none of the above.

My inadequate description would be a Divine Consciousness experiencing itself, and in the experiencing there is growth and contraction.

[Inelia]

Ok since there has been a lot of questions on dimensions here i would love to ask about 2d and the perception invloved. for a 2d world to be workable wouldnt it have to be the smallest molecule, the smallest piece of matter. So this would contain only forward and backwards not up and down?
And what discern does it have when 3d matter passes through its plane?
Does it even know that itself even exists?
Is 2d the building blocks for all our dimensions. Would 2d universes be in on and around every little apsect of our existence. And so would that make us the building blocks to the next one?
What insight could a traveller concieve by entering back into that dimension?

I used to love playing with this question as a child. And this is a game I used to play. I would draw a line and imagine that the line was conscious. Then I would put my finger above the line, making a shadow... and imagine how the consciousness which was the line would experience the shadow within it's awareness. As, theoretically the line has no depth, it would experience the shadow (or light if I shone a flashlight on it) as part of it's own awareness. It is like, we can only see the physical dimensions which we have not reached yet in "whispers" or "mists". Plus, what I came to understand was that we experience these as being "inside" of us, while those which we have already become fully aware of, are "outside" of us, but make us up, like the pixels of a digital photograph.

[Inelia]

Question: Is the capability to feel emotion a function of the 'Big Being' (the soul) and/or of the Body Intelligence (is it a instinctual or a spiritual characteristic)? And how does this explain the condition of the psycho/sociopath? It is assumed that in the state of socio/psychopathy the functions of emotion, sympathy, and empathy are not present.

In my opinion, the physical, emotional, mental, ego, and energy bodies are all part of the incarnated body that the "big being" goes into. There are more subtle bodies too, and our DNA is multidimensional. This is a simplified model. During the seminar, it was shown to me how the "ego" does get kind of "stuck" to the "big being" after many incarnations. I have to take the word of the persons who described that to me, because I have no experience of it. But going back to the physical and subtle bodies. I believe these are our communication devices. The devices we use to communicate and exist in a multidimensional time/space matrix (the big being experiencing a holographic universe). As well as the communication devices we can communicate between singular beings.

The emotional body in particular I see as a tool that the physical can use to communicate to the big being, and the big being can use to communicate to the body and also other people. Just like any communication device, it can get damaged. All our bodies, physical and subtle, can get damaged. When that happen, the functions they are supposed to have get compromised.

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Hi Inelia,
As for influencing others from a lower density or dimension, pretty much agree that you have to obey the game rules of that dimension/game. I am aware that our HS can "physically" influence our 3D reality if needed (like for instance, avoiding anything that would really put in peril its plans for a certain incarnation to be completed) but I guess this is because they simply are part of the game which is played at different levels and they have that right.

Entities from the negative astrals, for instance, do always have to get "permission" from a person in order to influence it (or attach to it), at least for what I see, so they trick us or offer plenty of stuff. Guess you will believe me if I say that I have allowed negative entities attach to my aura (not posses me) in exchange of happiness (and this is pretty much common!), they dress up as ascended masters, guides, beings of light, etc, and trick you during your astral wanderings specially while dreaming.

I would think that it is the same as the beings that are behind most of the people your deal with (the red cardinal that you talk in your interview came to mind for example), that only can influence them if the human soul originally incarnated in that body gives permission, otherwise it can not be done.

But it is a pretty much complex subjecct, I still do not get for instance why a being from the upper places or densities would be interested in the lower ones, even if it is to help. Do no get me wrong, this is pretty much a huge game, we are the players and we agree to come here to learn, but once you have move beyond this learning and are already evolving somewhere else, why come back to this "childish" game (for an "adult" being who has played for thousands of years)?

It is not that it is not appreciated, it is that I can not see why being in the last year of university, would be interested in what is going on in kindergarden :-)

hugs!

Hi David,

Bill gave a great explanation for the interest of "higher" beings on the 3D of the planet during the Sacramento seminar. I am afraid I won't be giving it justice. So hope he will answer this himself.

From my personal perspective, it's like there was a collective call to bring back a type of energetic balance and allow free will of individuals to kick back in so that they are able to make a real decision on what they want to do during this shift. At the moment, the majority of people are not being allowed to move into full awareness by tptb (who are simply puppets of other beings), through fear and stress (the lowest possible vibration). The influx of light beings on the planet, and also influence of "higher light beings" has been to make the "game" fair again.

EDIT: WOW lost of interesting questions and information today! I will definitely try to get back online again tonight and continue the dialogue. I'd like to applaud everyone who is jumping in with their insights, it's creating a very rich and helpful interchange.

While waiting (really! :-)) for Bill to explain again this, do you think that the earth itself (the planetary spirit, Gaia or divine mother, etc) was involved in the call itself?

I am asking because I have the feeling that the planet, also evolving and increasing its vibrational state and moving itself to its next "level" was in need of external help to restore true balance. So the help was not just because humans are being "opressed" and manipulated, but because the Earth itself needed help for the sake of her own evolution. That this resonates with you at any level?

gracias!

ABSOLUTELY. In my personal case, that is all I received. It was Gaia calling. It took me a while to realise that Gaia and the human collective are intricately connected.

[Inelia]

When I was very young I had a recurring dream the visual was not as dominant as the feeling. The only way I can explain it is I felt crumbled (like you would with a piece of paper) and stuffed into something it made no sense to me really until now. I'm wondering was that my spirit stuffing itself into the body? I would be interesting in Inelia's thoughts on this.

I knew I had gifts and a heightened awareness when I was very young and this scared me for some reason so I asked not to have them. I've spent the rest of my life to now working on getting them back. It's been my experience that if your motives are based in humility and integrity amazing and miraculous things take place.

So nice to be apart of this forum. Warm Regards

I think that your experience of being crumbled and stuffed into a body is very accurate. It resonates with me.

As to the fear of the heightened awareness and gifts. This is part of the programming and attack we receive as young kids. Fear will stop any higher awareness from expanding or from manifesting. My suggestion would be to process fear in all it's forms, this will liberate some of that awareness and abilities to come forth. And like David said in a previous post, then it's about exercising those muscles to get them strong again. Meditation is a great exercise.

[David Topí]

ABSOLUTELY. In my personal case, that is all I received. It was Gaia calling. It took me a while to realise that Gaia and the human collective are intricately connected.

That is pretty much what I imagined that was happening, in fact, the distress call was initiated by the planet itself, not by humanity (despite that indeed both are fully linked). Much of the stuff that is happening on Earth, seems to be that it is aimed to "stop" Gaia's evolution, much more than stopping humanity's. Some beings and negative entities would not mind to see the Earth wiped out of humans, but they would not stand seeing the planetary spirit "depart" or move on and leave the planet as a dead rock floating in space and all what it seems to represent for those beings.

Do you think this thoughts are going in the right direction?

Also, would you have any knowledge to map a bit the groups or entities that are "attacking" Gaia so she had to perform this SOS call? I doubt it is just a single negative being or a single group of negative entities from the higher planes, my guess is that the battle for the control of the planet is fought at different "wars" between different factions of highly polarized negative entities with different agendas.

This thread is indeed going beyond my wildest expectatives, thanks! :-)

[Sync]

Pardon me if this has been covered previously.

I am contemplating timelines and how these unfold. My question to Inelia and everyone is...how/can we identify "nodes" in our lives that are junctions with multiple highly probably paths. Which would then create new timelines for our element of the source to follow.

I guess the first question would be...is this perspective indicative of the process as you see it Inelia (and/or Bill)?

I am trying to grasp this in an attempt to begin finding "myself" in other timelines.

Thanks!

The nodes are indeed there. But I found them in reverse. For example, there's an Inelia living in Paris, I went to her to learn French (she was able to impart the pronunciation to a certain degree, but not the vocabulary). Anyway, I asked her how she got there, and she showed me a point in my life when I nearly went to live with a commune of Chileans (the music group "Los Jaivas") and their families in France in the early 80s. As I remembered the day, it was very much touch and go in this one.

Sometimes, in our daily life, there will be a moment of decision. When we think very hard about a decision that we know will affect our lives. And when we make it, it feels like a weight was lifted. Those are present time nodes.

But I do think that the past nodes are not as important as the timeline we want to get in touch with. We need a very specific set of circumstances to tap into, then we can explore if we are curious. Also, we can tap into this timeline future, and play around with different decisions to see what happens, or go to the one we want to achieve, and ask our future self how we got there :)

Wow, this is really interesting to me. I have been shown these nodal timeline possibilities at certain key points of my life where an impending decision could lead to my death or the death of others. Interestingly, during these experiences, there was another presence that clearly seemed to be guiding me.

The first experience of this type occurred in my teens as I was bleeding to death due to the obliteration of my femoral artery (this actually did occur). As pint after pint of my own blood pooled around me and soaked into the sand, I became very calm as I came to terms with dying. It was actually quite pleasant. The sun felt great on my skin and I felt euphoric. However, a voice in my head spoke, "You will not die today, but you may die in your 33rd year based on what you choose." Just then, a random Australian wearing a wetsuit appeared out of nowhere and turnicated my leg and saved my life by somehow getting me an Evac airlift. I never even learned the guy's name.

A decade later, when I was in my late 20s, I was shown images of my own death at age 33 in an unknown place. Quickly, this view changed to an actual experience of my own future death. This experience was so frightening that I called out for help and the same voice that was with me as a teen returned, except this time it had a body; that of a huge glowing golden being. Literally, it appeared to be 50 feet tall as it held me as you would an infant. Again, it let me know that a decision I was about to make would result in my death and the deaths of many others.

That experience, or intervention, started a chain reaction in my life. A few years later, when I was 33, I was in a strange city and I was bombarded with déjà vu. I quickly realized that I was standing in the same exact spot where I had experienced my "death."

I still experience these various nodes of possibility from time to time, but there is always an accompanying presence. At first I thought it was an angel. But now I believe it was me in the distant future; my higher self.

This causes me to ponder issues of Freewill versus Determinist realities. When my higher-self intervened in my decisions, was I experiencing true freewill? I ultimately still made my own choices, but I was strongly influenced. Is it a violation of freewill when one's own higher-self steps in? After all, it's just me, right? Was it able to step in that first time because I was so close to death? Everytime I think I have made sense of these experiences, I realize that I will never truly understand them. I simply go with my gut and marvel in the mystery.

Thank you, Inelia, for talking about this. Although your experience is different, it is amazing to realize that so many possibilities exist simultaneously.

[kooky]

First of all how spooky is it if Inelia can read your mind, imagine all those bad things you have done in your life bringing itself back again and she is able to know about it. Second of all i can't relate to anything most of you are all saying. I'd like to be someone that could meditate and raise my awareness but i don't think i could clear my mind enough to do it properly. I always remember from a young age, and don't worry i've already written it off as make believe so don't think i believe it happened, i remember waking up during the night and going into the living room, pulling the blinds open and seeing a large saucer flying just at eye level outside my home, lights and everything flashing. I also remember the same thing happening in my back yard not far off the ground and again many colourful lights flashing. One thing i could never explain was a month ago i looked out my bedroom window and saw a small white/silvery coloured light come down a path, across the pavement and then move around.

[nomadguy]

A question for Inelia,
how would you recommend communicating with a body intelligence which had a VERY violent past?
~one that has been a warrior, assassin, captain etc many times before. Yet in this current life, nearly a pacifist.
So when trying to remember, it can be pretty traumatic.

Any tips for dealing with a BI that has a gnarly past history?

Cheers
C...

and Namaste to all at Avalon ~ seize the day!

[Jeffrey]

Sri Ramakrishna describes God's relationship to the universe as being similar to a spider and it's web. The cosmos is in God as the thread of a spider is in its belly, and as a spider sits centered in its web so God remains at the core of all creation. At the end of the day the spider eats it's web and rebuilds it anew the next day. All must return to the source, yet all are already one with the source. To the selfish ego we are like an insect trapped in His web of life. The ego is animated by the soul. In varying degrees the ego provides the mechanism necessary to be separate from God. It is required and should not be denied or repressed. We need to learn with it in order to better understand ourselves.

We are seeking union with the Source. God is seeking fulfillment through mans ignorance. Not that He needs to seek anything because He is Infinite, but that's just it. God needs no motive for creation; it's a byproduct of His Being. The concept of the Absolute Existence-Knowledge-Bliss has to have something outside of itself to justify it, but nothing can be outside of it because it is Infinite in every way. Our being is nothing more than a seed of divinity planted by God destined to blossom into individuality. This inherent manifestation provides the illusion of isolation. It all remains Self-contained. This is what gives the Lord His identity. Creation is God's mirror. Man is God's means of observance. Our awareness is an intrinsic cog in the machinery of a conscious Universe. This idea would suggest that our soul purpose here in this world is to witness God, to behold Him in all things, and practice a constant recollectedness of His presence. God must have a means to experience the finite and limited without nullifying His infinite nature. We are the apparatus for this Divine stipulation.

Agog only when the Mind of God is in a state of slumber
can he manifest the ignorance to satiate the wonder.

I feel as if we are transitioning from a dream state to a lucid dream. Step by sweet step we will wake up to our True Self.

In taking this mission and by signing the contract of ignorance, it was known that we would eventually 'cycle' back; making our way through higher vibrations that would eventually resonate with the Source.

Inelia, I would love to hear your thoughts on the machinery of the Divine cosmos, the purpose of the soul, and the function of that purpose.

This is a beautiful description. I would personally use different words for God.

The problem when trying to describe these things is that by the act of describing them we already put limitations in the perception and "acts", as it were. It is like describing an entire puzzle by showing one piece of it. However, when a person has not seen any pieces, the one piece will allow them to reach the whole puzzle.

I think that a dialogue on the machinery of the cosmos is expansive and at the same time, limiting when only words are used. Poets, musicians, artists, get to tap into it a little more, because they weave in some of the experience and feeling of it... a larger richness of experience. Alas, I am none of the above.

My inadequate description would be a Divine Consciousness experiencing itself, and in the experiencing there is growth and contraction.

I agree, Inelia. The word God carries with it a myriad of conflicting connotations. They are all as correct as they are seemingly unalike. Religions loose their true value when the need to be right is injected into them. John Godfrey Saxe’s elephant poem aptly illustrates this point. The principle of God is muddied when men prate about differences in dogmas and perspectives of an infinite principle. God is infinite. Infinity cannot be bound in a book or contained in an idea. All characterizations of God are correct. They must be for if one is wrong then infinity becomes limited and this is an obvious conundrum. On the other hand, they must all be wrong because if one were correct it would restrict the concept! Niels Bohr said it best when he noted that the opposite of fact is falsehood but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth. There is not one descriptive word that cannot be used to describe God. One could describe God with silence as well, and be just as effective (or ineffective). God represents a principle—unconditional Love. This principle does not take sides, it is not biased, and it has no outliers. Every thought, action, word, and intention takes place within God. Life and death exist within God. Everything that is and everything that is not came forth from this Source. God is within all things and all things are within God. The scheme of the Universe can be found in the Truest desire of the Heart. It is the aspiration for all to be One in Love, the realization that all is One in Love, and finally the actualization of this state of beingness. This is the souls destiny. Every living creature seeks out happiness and love in one way or another. I understand that expressing my opinion about what God means limits Him and thereby nullifies my description; God has an ironic sense of humor that I can appreciate. It is funny that we have a word for "infinity" considering it's nature. Yet, it is the principle that is intangible to our current patterns of thought. We can muse all we like but all we will end up doing is running in place (exercise nonetheless). That is why one eventually will tire of trying to get to the bottom of "what" and concentrate there energies on the "why" and the "where" do I fit in aspect. I couldn't tell you exactly where I am in this process, but I feel great and my enthusiasm about the matter reassures me that I am on the right path. Pain and suffering are red flags. They tell me, "hey, this ain't right but there is something to be learned here so don't put it off." The hope of being better tomorrow than I am today, coupled with courage and faith of righteous will, enliven my spirits.:becky: This is what I live for.

[nomadguy]

A question for Inelia,
how would you recommend communicating with a body intelligence which had a VERY violent past?
~one that has been a warrior, assassin, captain etc many times before. Yet in this current life, nearly a pacifist.
So when trying to remember, it can be pretty traumatic.

Any tips for dealing with a BI that has a gnarly past history?

Cheers
C...

and Namaste to all at Avalon ~ seize the day!

I am going to reply to my own post here,

It seems important to me to say, that no matter what you might find within your own consciousness ~ when looking within ~ it is coming to you from self ~ as a lesson ~ for learning, more about oneself to gain perspective from it, so you may use this as new guidance as you go down your path. ~

[gabbahh]

As to straight "borrowing", permission is asked of the other being, then one moves into their viewpoint and body.
Oh, wow. I did not know this. Thank you for telling us. Made me realise even more how beautiful everyone and everthing is. And can and will be.

One Love, Ton

[Selene]

Sync –

Your post #521 about nodes (which I won’t quote in full) was quite fascinating. And I share many of your sincere questions.

You asked:


This causes me to ponder issues of Freewill versus Determinist realities. When my higher-self intervened in my decisions, was I experiencing true freewill? I ultimately still made my own choices, but I was strongly influenced. Is it a violation of freewill when one's own higher-self steps in? After all, it's just me, right?

If I may – and good Inelia may have her own superb observations here – it is important to understand fully that the person in the ‘driver’s seat’ here is always you in your present physical incarnation. You make the decision about what to do. Your ‘higher self’, your ‘better angel’ your ‘guide’... pick a name ... can only offer you the information you have spiritually requested. You make the decision about what to do. Your free will has not been impaired because you have asked for good advice, and appreciate its implications. But it is up to you to choose your actions. You are you.

True, your prior orientation either towards higher or, umm, more ‘expedient’ purposes will determine what level of advice you will be able to hear or use. The greater teachings will be in accordance with whatever frequency your body/mind/soul is already operating on (Like attracts like/as above, so below etc etc.) If you seek personal power and control – that information will come to you. If you seek to serve a higher purpose, ditto. Your call. And your honest hesitation about ‘seeing further down the road with the guidance of others: is that fair?’ is merely a gentle indication of the already higher level evolution of your own scrupulous conscience. That’s a good thing!

There is, in my opinion, no abrogation of free will because you seek honest advice. Always remember that your own thoughts, feeling, hopes and purposes do have real meaning. You are not a passenger here. You are the driver.

All my best and most respectful wishes,

Selene

[Rosco1]

Hi Inelia,

What are the gifts that you had as a teenager that you regretted in bringing out into the open as it drew too much attention to you ?

How can we attain these gifts ?

I know you say that this is not important, but quite often 'seeing is believing', especially when you or anyone else is capable of manifesting these phenomena.

Could you teach us in this thread of yours how to attain this ?

[Bill Ryan]

A question for Inelia,
how would you recommend communicating with a body intelligence which had a VERY violent past?
~one that has been a warrior, assassin, captain etc many times before. Yet in this current life, nearly a pacifist.
So when trying to remember, it can be pretty traumatic.

Any tips for dealing with a BI that has a gnarly past history?

I'd very much like to hear Inelia's answer to this. Sepia also has a great deal of experience working with the Body Intelligence (the term I use for it was invented by her, since it's a perfect description).

My own answer is that talking to your body is (or should be!) like talking to a friend. That friend might have had a traumatic past. How would you approach the subject?

This helps you to answer the question. Here are my own guidelines:





Be genuinely open, interested and non-judgmental. (The key word is genuinely - this cannot be faked!)
Listen carefully - without interruption, rejection or denial - when you sense a communication.
Acknowledge whatever you're told (which may be in the form of graphic images or feelings, rather than words).
Empathize with and have compassion for past suffering. (Many bodies have been forced to do things to other bodies which they do not like to do.)
Tell your body that you are willing to listen and help in any way.
Tell your body that there are techniques for relieving deeply held stress, and ask your body whether it would appreciate your support.
Ask your body if it needs anything right now (could be food, or water, or sleep, or a long walk, or a cuddle from another body).
Close by telling your body that you deeply appreciate all the work it does to support you in your mission.

Important note. If anyone reading this feels emotion when reading the above, this is your body's emotion, not yours. This is a direct indication that, like a person who has suffered abuse, there's someone listening at long last.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think an important thing to bear in mind is that whatever anybody has done in the past, it doesn't mark us as "the type of person that does x", and so we have to keep repeating those actions. If somebody has had a very violent history, in the same breath in which we say that those experiences are valid experiences, we might also say that they do not have to steer future actions.

Bill: in Michael Talbot's the Holographic Universe, he describes a situation in which a spleen is plagued with difficulties, and he approaches the spleen and speaks to it and they come to an understanding together, after which he is no longer troubled by such complaints. Is that anything at all like what has been said here? I'm fascinated by your post and I may have drawn a specious analogy, but it hasn't quite been assimilated yet.

Edit: it also appears to suggest that our bodies have some sort of animal existence independent of us. Are our bodies, in a sense, possessed by us?

[Bill Ryan]

I think an important thing to bear in mind is that whatever anybody has done in the past, it doesn't mark us as "the type of person that does x", and so we have to keep repeating those actions. If somebody has had a very violent history, in the same breath in which we say that those experiences are valid experiences, we might also say that they do not have to steer future actions.

Bill: in Michael Talbot's the Holographic Universe, he describes a situation in which a spleen is plagued with difficulties, and he approaches the spleen and speaks to it and they come to an understanding together, after which he is no longer troubled by such complaints. Is that anything at all like what has been said here? I'm fascinated by your post and I may have drawn a specious analogy, but it hasn't quite been assimilated yet.

Edit: it also appears to suggest that our bodies have some sort of animal existence independent of us. Are our bodies, in a sense, possessed by us?

Excellent questions from you as usual. :)

Briefly (forgive me - I'm just out of the door)

1) A perceived violent history may not be yours. It may be the memory of the Body Intelligence. You may not have been there.

Some beings/souls/spirits team up with the same Body Intelligence each lifetime - like an old and effective continuing partnership. However - and this is really important to understand - beings new to the planet will be partnering with a Body Intelligence who is a stranger.

2) Michael Talbot and the story about the spleen: yes, same territory. (There are many other reported examples of this kind of thing, too.)

3) Are our bodies, in a sense, possessed by us? <------ Sort of! To be more accurate, it's more like: we and our Body Intelligence jointly possess our physical body. To be comedic about it, the relationship between you and your Body Intelligence might be in some ways a little like Wooster and Jeeves. :)

The Body Intelligence is just as loyal and long-suffering, but maybe not always quite as intellectual! The 'faithful servant' analogy, though, is very close. In that vein, beware of times when the faithful servant gets totally frustrated with its master after some 'last straw' experience - and starts to sabotage him or her. This can happen more often than we might think.

[Dragonfly]

A question to Inelia:
How do you communicate with your body intelligence, if you are not properly incarnated?
:confused:

[Inelia]

Sync –

Your post #521 about nodes (which I won’t quote in full) was quite fascinating. And I share many of your sincere questions.

You asked:


This causes me to ponder issues of Freewill versus Determinist realities. When my higher-self intervened in my decisions, was I experiencing true freewill? I ultimately still made my own choices, but I was strongly influenced. Is it a violation of freewill when one's own higher-self steps in? After all, it's just me, right?

If I may – and good Inelia may have her own superb observations here – it is important to understand fully that the person in the ‘driver’s seat’ here is always you in your present physical incarnation. You make the decision about what to do. Your ‘higher self’, your ‘better angel’ your ‘guide’... pick a name ... can only offer you the information you have spiritually requested. You make the decision about what to do. Your free will has not been impaired because you have asked for good advice, and appreciate its implications. But it is up to you to choose your actions. You are you.

True, your prior orientation either towards higher or, umm, more ‘expedient’ purposes will determine what level of advice you will be able to hear or use. The greater teachings will be in accordance with whatever frequency your body/mind/soul is already operating on (Like attracts like/as above, so below etc etc.) If you seek personal power and control – that information will come to you. If you seek to serve a higher purpose, ditto. Your call. And your honest hesitation about ‘seeing further down the road with the guidance of others: is that fair?’ is merely a gentle indication of the already higher level evolution of your own scrupulous conscience. That’s a good thing!

There is, in my opinion, no abrogation of free will because you seek honest advice. Always remember that your own thoughts, feeling, hopes and purposes do have real meaning. You are not a passenger here. You are the driver.

All my best and most respectful wishes,

Selene

I have to agree completely with this. From my experience, our higher self, and entourage, can help, protect and advice us on the path we want to take with no judgment on their part. When a person is asleep, often they will not hear what the entourage is trying to communicate, but are stuck in ego needs and wants. When the person starts to wake up, the higher self can get through much easier. All their assistance is with the goal of allowing us to accomplish what we have chosen in free will.

When I have been asked to take on certain missions, or extend my life so I can help out on another mission, there has always been a moment of choice. I take my time, and decide to take that on or not. And sometimes I will make conditions, "I'll take that on if I can leave this behind" or "xyz condtions are met first", type thing. Once I do take on the mission, then it appears from the outside that free will goes out the window. But it really does not. The reason is that I can change my mind at any time. Just because we take on a mission, doesn't mean we cannot leave it at a moment's notice. We can.

So, I would say, the higher self steps in to support us in our decisions.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

What are the gifts that you had as a teenager that you regretted in bringing out into the open as it drew too much attention to you ?

How can we attain these gifts ?

I know you say that this is not important, but quite often 'seeing is believing', especially when you or anyone else is capable of manifesting these phenomena.

Could you teach us in this thread of yours how to attain this ?

I suppose it wasn't so much that I brought them out, but that they were spotted. They were mostly the way in which people healed physical and mental ailments, the speaking of foreign tongues and moving stuff around. Those were the ones that got spotted. The place started getting crowded. When I realised what was happening, I put a stop to it. The reason is that I was way too young to deal with all this stuff. I had no support, no help, and no one to teach me what was happening (why others thought it was special). I took a look at my timeline, it was not following my reason to be here, so I would have died very quickly. Healing is a positive thing, and healers are needed on the planet. But it was not why I came here. One can heal a body, or mind, but this doesn't mean that the person healed will 1) raise their vibration and awareness and 2) won't get sick again.

Healings still occur, but they are done by the person themselves. I don't do a thing. So, why am I here in body? Like thousands of others, if not millions by now, to teach how all of us can become conduits to the Divine Source.

How can we all attain this? The method I use is very simple. It is about removing negative energy structures (traumas, beliefs, cultural programming, implants), that are low vibrationally speaking. By removing these, the person's physical and subtle body become "lighter" (light in illuminated, as well as light as in less density). As the bodies become lighter, the person vibrates at a lighter rate, this allows more divine source energy to come through, awareness expands and the illusion of the agreed reality become more pliable.

To borrow a thought from Dr Amit Goswami, the physical universe is made up of "possibilities" manifested.

I would add to that, possibilities are infinite. Therefore anything can be manifested at any one time. However, our physical body needs a physical/solid environment for it to "feel" safe (injected programming perhaps?). As soon as we start entering into the thought that our reality is not as solid, or defined, as we think, fear starts to well in the body (and the mind! "am I losing my mind?") By removing fear from our body, we expand the field of possibilities in a very physical reality type sense.


A question to Inelia:
How do you communicate with your body intelligence, if you are not properly incarnated?
:confused:


We need to make an effort to incarnate as much as we can. Fully incarnate into our bodies. That's one of the things I learned about 3 years ago. The more incarnated we are into our present body, the better we can communicate with it and with the physical world. The easier our job becomes. But yes, your point is very accurate. We can not communicate properly with our body when not fully incarnated.

[Jake]

I am beside myself. Thank you, Inelia for your insight. We all appreciate that you have come forward. You are nothing short of a true blessing for all of us.
My own experience in life has led me to many amazing, and quite similar understandings. I have the repeated and regular experience of Astral Traveling, and OBE. There are distinctions made between, 'Astral Travel' and an 'Out of BODY Experience". Of course I know that calling it an 'out of body' experience is not accurate, because the body is IN US. So it is truly a matter of perspective rather than 'spacial' separation. In contemplating that different aspects of self are all of the same, grand energy, or consciousness, I have stumbled across a question that I thought you might have an answer to. During meditation and trance, (or during OBE) I am quite often aware of, what I call Energy Body Sensations. Energetic sensations that occur in and around the physical body. Vibrations, and 'electrical' energetic flow, and they can be quite intense. Often times the energetic flow can be 'coaxed' into an amazing 'total' body, energetic event that seems to 'peak'. It is at this time when there are no filters, and thoughts and energy are the same. I have heard it said that this is a 'Kundalini' event or happening. Without going into the different 'schools of thought' on what Kundalini is. Here is my question.
Is Kundalini an energy based event or is it a consciousness based event? Do the energetic sensations come automatically with 'awakening' consciousness? It is difficult for me to pinpoint my exact question. I have always assumed that the sensations represented awareness of my energy body. Is that accurate? Or is it awareness of Consciousness?

[bilko]

Jake
Robert bruce has something to say about this, although only the basics, the foundation. I have tried his exercise and shown this to my by who has very strong energy body awareness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=925btrBSd9k

[bearcow]

Is Kundalini an energy based event or is it a consciousness based event

kundalini is a energy based event, it can activated via energetic techniques (pranayama etc). If it's rise is stabilized properly in the central channel, or fused in the lower field, it will gradually expand consciousness. if it goes outside the central channel, it will be detrimental. raising kundalini is not the only way to expand consciousness. There are a number of ways to get from point a to point b

[nomadguy]

A question for Inelia,
how would you recommend communicating with a body intelligence which had a VERY violent past?
~one that has been a warrior, assassin, captain etc many times before. Yet in this current life, nearly a pacifist.
So when trying to remember, it can be pretty traumatic.

Any tips for dealing with a BI that has a gnarly past history?

I'd very much like to hear Inelia's answer to this. Sepia also has a great deal of experience working with the Body Intelligence (the term I use for it was invented by her, since it's a perfect description).

My own answer is that talking to your body is (or should be!) like talking to a friend. That friend might have had a traumatic past. How would you approach the subject?

This helps you to answer the question. Here are my own guidelines:





Be genuinely open, interested and non-judgmental. (The key word is genuinely - this cannot be faked!)
Listen carefully - without interruption, rejection or denial - when you sense a communication.
Acknowledge whatever you're told (which may be in the form of graphic images or feelings, rather than words).
Empathize with and have compassion for past suffering. (Many bodies have been forced to do things to other bodies which they do not like to do.)
Tell your body that you are willing to listen and help in any way.
Tell your body that there are techniques for relieving deeply held stress, and ask your body whether it would appreciate your support.
Ask your body if it needs anything right now (could be food, or water, or sleep, or a long walk, or a cuddle from another body).
Close by telling your body that you deeply appreciate all the work it does to support you in your mission.

Important note. If anyone reading this feels emotion when reading the above, this is your body's emotion, not yours. This is a direct indication that, like a person who has suffered abuse, there's someone listening at long last.

Thanks Bill, I feel this may be important for whomever ends up being quite shocked or confused by their own feelings on the matter as they begin to remember.
Perhaps those who have already been there ~can be a guide when they can. I volunteer for this as I have this in my BI or past history.
As a child I had always gotten spooked by my own ability to wield certain things like an ax or even guns etc.
Instead of feeling confident, I felt rather awful about it and even refrained from being with the crowd in certain situations and so that alienated me a bit.
Nowadays I use these traits to wield my shovel and to skillfully bounce around the steep slopes while I do terrace gardening. Or sorts of activities like this. And for my own safety - ofcourse.

Cheers
C...

P.S.

"My own answer is that talking to your body is (or should be!) like talking to a friend."
THIS HELPS A LOT!<<<<

[Davidallany]

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The power of thought and imagination. Reality what is it according to Manly P. Hall.

[thunder24]

With the new wave of the Mayan calander, is it me or does it seem like the energies are getting more intense each full and new moon? And perception of time speeding up like going from 30 on the on ramp to 75 on the interstate?

peace

[Jake]

Jake
Robert bruce has something to say about this, although only the basics, the foundation. I have tried his exercise and shown this to my by who has very strong energy body awareness.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=925btrBSd9k

Hello, Bilko. And thank you for the link. Robert Bruce is a personal friend. We have talked/chatted at length regarding energy work and Kundalini. I consider myself an avid pupil of Roberts. Energy work and Astral projection go hand in hand. Stimulating and moving energy throughout the physical body will stimulate energetic flow and open primary energy centers and blockages. I definately come from the same 'school of thought' regarding energy work that Robert Bruce does. (literally, I am a student of Roberts) Kundalini is referred to 'the seed of consciousness', not the 'seed of energy'. Are energy and consciousness the same thing? I don't think so. IMOO,,, consciousness is never gained or lost. You can be aware of consciousness or not, but it is ALWAYS what it is. I suspect that ENERGY comes into play, when 'consciousness' becomes aware of 'physicality'. (physicality at any level of density) In that model, ENERGY is the lifeblood of PHYSICALITY. And that Energy is the bi-product of consciousness that is not 'at rest'. Kundalini is definately has energetic side effects, but i suspect that it all stems from the 'awakening' to consciousness. Energy and consciousness being different beasts altogether.

[bearcow]

Kundalini is referred to 'the seed of consciousness

It can be said that it a possible way to develop the expansion of consciousness, but it is energetic in nature. If you dont believe me I suggest you read gopi krishna's books, one of the few people who publicly claimed to have a kundalini experience that actually has. The title of his auto biography is Kundalini: The Evolutionary Energy in Man. The average person does not have awareness of non physical realms because they do not have the energy potentiality in the astral body, etheric body, etc to sustain awareness.

[Inelia]

I am beside myself. Thank you, Inelia for your insight. We all appreciate that you have come forward. You are nothing short of a true blessing for all of us.
My own experience in life has led me to many amazing, and quite similar understandings. I have the repeated and regular experience of Astral Traveling, and OBE. There are distinctions made between, 'Astral Travel' and an 'Out of BODY Experience". Of course I know that calling it an 'out of body' experience is not accurate, because the body is IN US. So it is truly a matter of perspective rather than 'spacial' separation. In contemplating that different aspects of self are all of the same, grand energy, or consciousness, I have stumbled across a question that I thought you might have an answer to. During meditation and trance, (or during OBE) I am quite often aware of, what I call Energy Body Sensations. Energetic sensations that occur in and around the physical body. Vibrations, and 'electrical' energetic flow, and they can be quite intense. Often times the energetic flow can be 'coaxed' into an amazing 'total' body, energetic event that seems to 'peak'. It is at this time when there are no filters, and thoughts and energy are the same. I have heard it said that this is a 'Kundalini' event or happening. Without going into the different 'schools of thought' on what Kundalini is. Here is my question.
Is Kundalini an energy based event or is it a consciousness based event? Do the energetic sensations come automatically with 'awakening' consciousness? It is difficult for me to pinpoint my exact question. I have always assumed that the sensations represented awareness of my energy body. Is that accurate? Or is it awareness of Consciousness?

This is a very interesting topic and something I have pondered myself. Where do we make a distinction between consciousness and energy, or physicality? At a deep enough level, all is expression/experience of divine consciousness. What we see, feel, touch with our physical and subtle bodies are part of consciousness, and are themselves conscious expression. We can experience the consciousness of objects, for example. There are individuals (including Native American healers/shamans) who can tap into any energy type, whether solid or subtle, and have a conversation with it. In the West we are taught to separate all into what is sentient and what is not. And anyone seen talking to a rock will be deemed a nut case.

So, do I think that kunalini is it part of consciousness? By definition of the universal consciousness, from which all singularities stem from, yes I do. It is consciousness. Is it part of our personal consciousness? Yes, in as much as all our subtle bodies, as well as our physical body, are part and inside of us, it is. Is it a separate entity and not part of our personal conscious experience? Yes, in that we can communicate with it. It is as much part of our physical expression as our physical body (us but not us).

Taking it a bit further, even our place of residence is part of who we are and affects us in very direct ways. A messy desk (Inelia looks around at the mess on her desk) does clutter our energy and flow of thought.

The energetic sensations, whether Kundalini, the "light body", or more sensitive energy body does come with the expansion of awareness (awakening of consciousness). It is always there, but as we become more aware, we are able to sense them and communicate with them more than before. As these our physical body becomes more aware of, and can give feedback on, these subtle energies, we can work with them and explore them.

[Gaia]

This is really cool to read about. It's funny because I've recently begun to meditate, and in general to be a better person. I've had some random "Energy spikes" Go up my back towards my head, though it's rare and I don't know exactly why it happens. I've also had some pretty intense experiences laying down to sleep when I try my intention manifestation stuff. Just really powerful ! This Kundalini stuff sounds kind of scary actually. I've heard you have to be careful with it. I'll have to do some more research... But this post reminded me of this video, where David Hawkins talks about his Kundalini experience going up his back for awhile. It may help.

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[Jake]

Inelia. Thank you, again for being there for us. I have another question. (I have several, one at a time, I think!:biggrin:) My basic meditation routine is this: I use meditation as a platform for trance, or Mind Awake/Body asleep. I use trance and different trancedental states as a platform for OBE or Astral projection. I do not always attempt to OBE. There are all sorts of Phenomenon that can occur from this 'platform'. I like to do an 'energy work' routine before falling too deep into trance. I feel that it 'stimulates' parts of my energy body and helps to relax and quiet my mind. (Energy work during a deep trance will promote some very intense energetic sensations.)

My experiences with Astral Projection matures, as I mature spiritually. And with that, comes some different events and phenomenon.

I have recently become aware of a new phenomenon. New for me, at least. It will occur randomly, and it does not seem to matter if I am paying any attention to it or not, like a mind of its own.
I will be sitting/laying/meditating and instead of moving too deep into trance and attempting OBE, I 'hold' trance at a 'medium depth' and bask in meditation. From this state, the event will occur.
It is like a download of information. If I sit quietly and remain calm, it will rush in like a waterfall, an amazing amount of 'information'. They don't seem to be my own thoughts. If I try and 'dive in' to the
stream of information, it seems to hinder the 'download' process. Almost as If it had nothing to do with me! for example:

I was meditating and doing energy work. I stopped and relaxed and fell into a light trance. I felt that i could fall asleep easily, but i did not. All of the sudden I felt an unfamiliar energy. Not bad or invasive, but under different circumstances, I could very well have been freaked out about it. I initially tried to 'stop' it from 'flowing' in. I felt it like it was a wave of 'energy' at first. I just lay there and experienced it. (Sometimes these events have a life of their own, no?) Anyways, the wave(s) of energy were not like the energy body sensations that I was used to. There was a physical 'warmth to it. It was unfamiliar. Suddenly, as I 'focused' on what the energy felt like, a massive torrent of words, symbols, meanings, long winded definitions and loads and loads of information. If I focused too hard, the understanding of the information 'blurred'. If I simply relaxed and sat quietly, the information would stream in. The information that was coming in was a information regarding the 'light body' the 'light body construct' the energetic differences, the energetic 'relationships' between light body and mental body, the 'harmonic' fields of light, the sleeping/waking/dreaming effects on the 'light body'. I could go on and on about what was 'coming in', but there is no way that I could wrap my brain around the volumes of info that was 'beaming' in. I got the impression that this kind of thing happens, usually, without me noticing. Well, I noticed this time. Where is this info/energy come from? Who is 'streaming' this information. Did I stumble onto Akasha? I know that at some level, information and energy are the same. Do you know what is happening? It did not feel invasive. Thank you again, Jake.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hey Jake , did you feel sensation at the crown chakra and medulla ?

[silvervioletrubie]

Inelia. Thank you, again for being there for us. I have another question. (I have several, one at a time, I think!:biggrin:) My basic meditation routine is this: I use meditation as a platform for trance, or Mind Awake/Body asleep. I use trance and different trancedental states as a platform for OBE or Astral projection. I do not always attempt to OBE. There are all sorts of Phenomenon that can occur from this 'platform'. I like to do an 'energy work' routine before falling too deep into trance. I feel that it 'stimulates' parts of my energy body and helps to relax and quiet my mind. (Energy work during a deep trance will promote some very intense energetic sensations.)

My experiences with Astral Projection matures, as I mature spiritually. And with that, comes some different events and phenomenon.

I have recently become aware of a new phenomenon. New for me, at least. It will occur randomly, and it does not seem to matter if I am paying any attention to it or not, like a mind of its own.
I will be sitting/laying/meditating and instead of moving too deep into trance and attempting OBE, I 'hold' trance at a 'medium depth' and bask in meditation. From this state, the event will occur.
It is like a download of information. If I sit quietly and remain calm, it will rush in like a waterfall, an amazing amount of 'information'. They don't seem to be my own thoughts. If I try and 'dive in' to the
stream of information, it seems to hinder the 'download' process. Almost as If it had nothing to do with me! for example:

I was meditating and doing energy work. I stopped and relaxed and fell into a light trance. I felt that i could fall asleep easily, but i did not. All of the sudden I felt an unfamiliar energy. Not bad or invasive, but under different circumstances, I could very well have been freaked out about it. I initially tried to 'stop' it from 'flowing' in. I felt it like it was a wave of 'energy' at first. I just lay there and experienced it. (Sometimes these events have a life of their own, no?) Anyways, the wave(s) of energy were not like the energy body sensations that I was used to. There was a physical 'warmth to it. It was unfamiliar. Suddenly, as I 'focused' on what the energy felt like, a massive torrent of words, symbols, meanings, long winded definitions and loads and loads of information. If I focused too hard, the understanding of the information 'blurred'. If I simply relaxed and sat quietly, the information would stream in. The information that was coming in was a information regarding the 'light body' the 'light body construct' the energetic differences, the energetic 'relationships' between light body and mental body, the 'harmonic' fields of light, the sleeping/waking/dreaming effects on the 'light body'. I could go on and on about what was 'coming in', but there is no way that I could wrap my brain around the volumes of info that was 'beaming' in. I got the impression that this kind of thing happens, usually, without me noticing. Well, I noticed this time. Where is this info/energy come from? Who is 'streaming' this information. Did I stumble onto Akasha? I know that at some level, information and energy are the same. Do you know what is happening? It did not feel invasive. Thank you again, Jake.


I too have had this experience, sometimes ahead of a planned event. An example being...having a book in my "read" pile...then when I read it, it feels like it is my second read...I had already "downloaded" it.
I do not follow a prescribed meditation method, but this type of thing described by jake happens to me alot.
Along with jake, I am very interested in this subject.
Thank you jake, Inelia, and all who are participating in these discussions.

I always look forward to reading this thread!

[777]

I was meditating and doing energy work. I stopped and relaxed and fell into a light trance. I felt that i could fall asleep easily, but i did not. All of the sudden I felt an unfamiliar energy. Not bad or invasive, but under different circumstances, I could very well have been freaked out about it. I initially tried to 'stop' it from 'flowing' in. I felt it like it was a wave of 'energy' at first. I just lay there and experienced it. (Sometimes these events have a life of their own, no?) Anyways, the wave(s) of energy were not like the energy body sensations that I was used to. There was a physical 'warmth to it. It was unfamiliar. Suddenly, as I 'focused' on what the energy felt like, a massive torrent of words, symbols, meanings, long winded definitions and loads and loads of information. If I focused too hard, the understanding of the information 'blurred'. If I simply relaxed and sat quietly, the information would stream in. The information that was coming in was a information regarding the 'light body' the 'light body construct' the energetic differences, the energetic 'relationships' between light body and mental body, the 'harmonic' fields of light, the sleeping/waking/dreaming effects on the 'light body'. I could go on and on about what was 'coming in', but there is no way that I could wrap my brain around the volumes of info that was 'beaming' in. I got the impression that this kind of thing happens, usually, without me noticing. Well, I noticed this time. Where is this info/energy come from? Who is 'streaming' this information. Did I stumble onto Akasha? I know that at some level, information and energy are the same. Do you know what is happening? It did not feel invasive. Thank you again, Jake.

Thanks for posting these latest set of questions Jake, we're all benefitting from your experiences and Inelia's (and your) insights into them. I use chakra meditation to get myself into a trance state and I find kundalini occurs spontaneously in this state whether I preconceive it to or not. With reference your "downloads", I'm finding a similar thing but it occurs after I'm back into normal waking life, rather than during meditation. Which leads me to a question for Inelia (or your self Jake/anyone else who has anything to offer. It goes a little something like this:

I'm finding an almost permanent (not quite, only when I remember to think of it as a concept) state of deja vu. I can't predict what's happening in an hours time but I'm talking seconds before it does. Then when each and every experience happens it feels like I've already lived it and nothing is a shock/surprise. This sounds quite depressing but it's actually really pleasurable and something I'm trying to catalyse as much as possible. Does anyone know what this is or what is happening to me here?

[Selene]

Hi, Jake, Silvervioletrubie, 777 and everyone –

Yeah: the “consciousness downloads” experience is a fairly common one, actually, once your own consciousness has expanded or developed to a certain point. It’s a natural phenomenon.

In my experience, it’s simply a function or reflection of the fact that your personal awareness of All (which is my own working definition of consciousness) is reaching further and higher to perceive increasingly subtle energies. These higher frequency (for lack of a better term) energies are continually present at all times. But it is up to us to perceive them.

The most commonly used analogy is that of an ordinary radio or TV broadcast. Those waves are continually being broadcast into the air, but unless you have a receiver on – and tuned to the appropriate frequency – you won’t hear or see anything.

All spiritual practices – in every tradition – whether of prayer, meditation, fasting, chanting, postures, dancing, singing, breathing, whirling, sitting or others, are designed to aid you in increasing your consciousness. All of these practices will gradually dissolve physical and emotional blockages and lead to a slowly rising Kundalini energy: the energy of consciousness.

And the results along the way can be most fascinating and rewarding. It’s a wonderful and beautiful world we live in. Consciousness allows you to experience it all more fully.

All best wishes,

Selene

[Inelia]

Hi Jake, silvervioletrubie,

As Selene pointed out, this is indeed a natural progression with the expansion of awareness which comes naturally from a spiritual practice.

I would also like to add, that as more and more of us move into that expanded awareness, that information, data, is made available more readily to the rest of the human collective. It is like becoming an amplification node for that vibrational level :)

Hi 777, , the state of deja vu. I think that this correlates directly with the fact that as we move into an expanded awareness, we start to move out of linear time (a very restrictive construct), and begin to experience what it is like to be outside of it. Does that resonate with you?

[777]

Hi Jake,

As Selene pointed out, this is indeed a natural progression with the expansion of awareness which comes naturally from a spiritual practice.

I would also like to add, that as more and more of us move into that expanded awareness, that information, data, is made available more readily to the rest of the human collective. It is like becoming an amplification node for that vibrational level :)

777, the state of deja vu. I think that this correlates directly with the fact that as we move into an expanded awareness, we start to move out of linear time (a very restrictive construct), and begin to experience what it is like to be outside of it. Does that resonate with you?

Yes it does Inelia, very much so! It's a pleasurable experience I intend to continue for sure. Thanks again.

[DoubleHelix]

the state of deja vu. I think that this correlates directly with the fact that as we move into an expanded awareness, we start to move out of linear time (a very restrictive construct), and begin to experience what it is like to be outside of it. Does that resonate with you?

Just terrific Inelia.. you continue to produce gems :)

Did that resonate with me... ah yes, profoundly!

Would I be accurate in the assumption - Therefore de ja vu is the experience of a time rattle.. where your consciousness blips into the future momentarily. hence that sensation of 'wow this feels familiar'

[Jake]

Hey Jake , did you feel sensation at the crown chakra and medulla ?

Yes the energetic flow always epochs at my crown. If feels like a wave that is breaking at the top/inside of my head. Sensations are very intense. These are where the OBE triggers are. At least for me.


Inelia,

I had another intense/powerful meditation session yesterday. (Natural Energies are more intense in nature a couple of days before a full moon. I have never figured out why.)

I sat on the recliner and relaxed. Went through my basic energy work routing, just enough to get a good feel for it. I was listening to the 'Condition D' CD from the Journeys Out Of the Body (JOOB) CD collection. (It is the original Hemi-Sync technology from Robert Monroe and the Monroe institute.) I allowed myself to fall asleep, briefly and wake up again. (Beats trying to slip into trance from a waking state, once asleep, you can slip in easy, if you wake up again.) Anyways, the basic energy work routine that I had done allowed for a reasonably strong 'glow' all over my body. (The residual effect of energy work has an intensified effect, once in trance.) After 'coaxing' the energetic flow, it quickly became an intense, and overwhelming flow, straight up from the bottom out the top of mee head. Very strong. As I was basking in the experience of this amazing flow of energy, I noticed something that I had not noticed before, ever. As the flow of energy made its way through my body and energy centers, I noticed that my heart center had some sort of blockage that 'cleared' suddenly,,, I have been doing daily energy work for years and nothing like this. OKay,,, it felt the same way it feels when a part of you body has its circulation cut off for a bit, then the flow of blood is allowed back. It felt like it 'released' and began to flow so easily and freely. I had half a mind to break trance and make sure that I was OKAY. The 'blockage' went with the flow of energy,, up and out. My heart center is perfectly clear and unblocked. I tried to 'exit' but the pull back to my body was too strong, and I collapsed into my body feeling great 'exhaustion in my 'Naval' and 'solar' centers. (for those of you who do not have experience with OBE, this will seem a little strange)

I decided not to end the experiment there. Instead, I concentrated and coaxed the flow to an intense level again. (felt like my teeth were gonna pop out of their sockets. Very intense.) With my crown center completely reeling, i decided that I would just get my arms moving (astral arms, not-physical) and so I did. Strange to have 2 sets of arms. Plus at this point, I was seeing through my closed eyelids, and watching as I waved my Astral arms around a bit. Sometimes, when I cannot muster an 'exit' I will get my arms free and 'pull' myself out the rest of the way. it was not going to work this time, as the pull back to my body was still too much. I decided to call it quits. I let the flow of energy back down easily until it was almost un-noticable, and I was able to move my physical body again. I wrote down my experience in my journal.

OKAY... The energetic flow, the paralysis, the Seeing through closed eyelids, the astral arms, the failed exit attempt; these things are all quite familiar to me. I've been dealing with it for a loooong time now. What was not familiar at all, was the clearing of the blockage in my heart center. I had always heard of such things, but never experienced one. I suspected that maybe it wasn't what I thought it was, noted it in my journal and went on my merry way. The 'problem' was that the moment that I left my space there on the recliner, I became a blubbering MESS. I have my moments when I cry for joy and beauty and such, but this was different. I was crying about everything. I couldn't listen to any music, the meaning of the song would make me cry. I couldn't play my guitar, I would start to cry.. I looked outside and saw my dog laying in the sun next to a potted plant,,, It was so beautiful ,,,, I cried and cried... WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON?? Something released when my heart center cleared itself of the blockage. I thought it was only a direct energy phenomenon, but it was not. I was hoping somebody could explain to me what happened. I have never been happier. I read a post in another thread and started crying like a baby. This is not like me. I am going to go with the flow. Any thoughts on this matter would be appreciated. thanks again, Jake.

[Inelia]

Hi Jake,

Yes! Going with the flow is totally the right things to do. It's important to allow yourself to feel and cry. Don't try to over analyze it, or suppress it. You are expressing a level of joy and emotion that has been suppressed for a long time!

A little exercise you can do which will make it a little easier while this is happening is to breathe light and love into your heartcenter, and as you breathe out, it expand outwards bigger and bigger.

Things might come up to be processed, continue the breathing exercise as it is expressed and released, no analysis.

This is such great news Jake :....)

[Davidallany]

Hola Inelia :)
Thank you for all the precious love and light. Your avatar is so cute. As a child I has so many cats, I miss them.

[Inelia]

OK

I wanted to add this here because it is very relevant to the raising of awareness of the planet, the collective and what happens when we live in a higher vibration, how life becomes more pliable, and realities are created by the person experiencing them (timelines). David Icke explains it very, very beautifully

If you have watched the original movie that David Icke talks about here, you will see that the main character decides to go into someone else's hell in order to get them out, knowing that by going in there, he will lose his memory... sound familiar? It is what MANY people in this era have done. And if you are reading this, it's very likely that it is what you did too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2k29NizE8

[greybeard]

If you want the Indian perspective of Kundalini this book is excellent.
I spent time on the authors Ashram
There is a lot of information on this link.
Kundalini awakening seems to be a natural consequence of spiritual progress.
In my case it happened before I even knew what it was.


http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/IDK142/


Chris

[Calz]

OK

I wanted to add this here because it is very relevant to the raising of awareness of the planet, the collective and what happens when we live in a higher vibration, how life becomes more pliable, and realities are created by the person experiencing them (timelines). David Icke explains it very, very beautifully

If you have watched the original movie that David Icke talks about here, you will see that the main character decides to go into someone else's hell in order to get them out, knowing that by going in there, he will lose his memory... sound familiar? It is what MANY people in this era have done. And if you are reading this, it's very likely that it is what you did too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2k29NizE8

I agree and travel back through time to thank you :thank_you2:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20455-It-s-Like-a-Canvas-of-Consciousness

[David Topí]

OK

I wanted to add this here because it is very relevant to the raising of awareness of the planet, the collective and what happens when we live in a higher vibration, how life becomes more pliable, and realities are created by the person experiencing them (timelines). David Icke explains it very, very beautifully

If you have watched the original movie that David Icke talks about here, you will see that the main character decides to go into someone else's hell in order to get them out, knowing that by going in there, he will lose his memory... sound familiar? It is what MANY people in this era have done. And if you are reading this, it's very likely that it is what you did too:


That movie is great. I know this is indeed the case of the astral planes, (un)fortunately my father is there and he describes it as in the movie (sort of), I guess it will be the same or "better" in a higher level of awareness or vibrational plane? (the upcoming 4D?)

[Inelia]

OK

I wanted to add this here because it is very relevant to the raising of awareness of the planet, the collective and what happens when we live in a higher vibration, how life becomes more pliable, and realities are created by the person experiencing them (timelines). David Icke explains it very, very beautifully

If you have watched the original movie that David Icke talks about here, you will see that the main character decides to go into someone else's hell in order to get them out, knowing that by going in there, he will lose his memory... sound familiar? It is what MANY people in this era have done. And if you are reading this, it's very likely that it is what you did too:


That movie is great. I know this is indeed the case of the astral planes, (un)fortunately my father is there and he describes it as in the movie (sort of), I guess it will be the same or "better" in a higher level of awareness or vibrational plane? (the upcoming 4D?)

We are already moving into a more "pliable" plane as a species and planet. The entire "manifestation" information (which actually was popular in the 70s) is a side effect of this fact. However, with "The Secret", although a hugely important move into the collective, and a positive thing, it was hijacked into the "ego manifestation" (fame, money, objects, beauty, sex, lovers).

So, what's the difference? The main difference in my opinion is that when the "ego" tries to manifest, it doesn't always work. But when we are aligned with our purpose and with our Higher Self, when we go and manifest situations and objects that fully support our path, they happen quickly and easily. All falls into place and synchronistic events abound. If I was to write the movie "The Secret", the first step would be for the person to find what her or his mission on the planet was, then start doing the exercises to manifest supporting people, situations and objects to support that :D

My point though, is that manifestation is very prominent now. And for some individuals, has been their entire lives. My sister, for example, as a young child in the late 60s, would close her eyes and say "ice-cream" and an hour or so later a relative would arrive at the house carrying a big tub of ice-cream they felt compelled to share with us :D

[kersley]

@ Inelia....
Can you tell me what is the best way to manifest? Is putting my headphones on ,going into an alpha state a good way to go? What do you recommend?
Thanks

[bearcow]

I had another intense/powerful meditation session yesterday. (Natural Energies are more intense in nature a couple of days before a full moon. I have never figured out why.)

When the yang sunlight is reflected off the moon it flipped to yin. the more yin energy in nature, generally speaking, the easier it is to reach the trance state. ceremonial rites done on the full moon use the extra yin energy available to contact spirits, etc. Remember Alice walked through the reflected light of the mirror to end up in wonderland?

[Ilie Pandia]

However, with "The Secret", although a hugely important move into the collective, and a positive thing, it was hijacked into the "ego manifestation" (fame, money, objects, beauty, sex, lovers).

So, what's the difference? The main difference in my opinion is that when the "ego" tries to manifest, it doesn't always work. But when we are aligned with our purpose and with our Higher Self, when we go and manifest situations and objects that fully support our path, they happen quickly and easily. All falls into place and synchronistic events abound. If I was to write the movie "The Secret", the first step would be for the person to find what her or his mission on the planet was, then start doing the exercises to manifest supporting people, situations and objects to support that :D

Thank you for this post, Inelia. It has brought about a much better understating of the manifestation issue :). I guess you must be one of my supporting people ;).

[nomadguy]

this post seems relative - http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20417-Timelines-what-are-your-views-A-focus-Inelia-s-claim-of-timelines....&p=220553#post220553

[Adi]

This women seems so wonderful and interesting. The vibe I get from her is one that there is many many more like her, all of them hear to carry out particular missions to fulfill a purpose that to (me anyway) is not entirely clear, but has the bearings that it is of vital importance to the conciseness of humanity. Inelia is certainly unique in her own way, i am looking forward to watching her and observing her way of delivering her information, that sends a wave of resonation to me.

When I think of people like Inelia, who clearly has a profound purpose hear on Earth like so many others, I start to wonder, should we be enquiring into there missions, could this disturb there natural flow path, OR is this inquiry a part of her mission, that this is apart of her purpose, for use to look into her experiences and learn about them. But then again Inelia does state that she was told to find Bill and Avalon, so maybe this is the right thing to be doing. Its just my own personal theory to the whole saga, I suppose its just a theory for stimulation lol.

Peace

[Inelia]

@ Inelia....
Can you tell me what is the best way to manifest? Is putting my headphones on ,going into an alpha state a good way to go? What do you recommend?
Thanks

Like I mentioned in the previous post, the first thing is to find out what your mission on the planet is. What you came here to do, learn or be. To find that out, look around you and see what you have surrounded yourself with. What are your interests, what were your interests as a child? What brings you the most joy in the whole world. Or, if you can visualise yourself in a present time where you had no financial concerns what so ever, what would you be doing? It might take a few days to find it, but well worth it.

After that, do all the exercises that are out there in the internet and books, but with a clear vision that completely tunes in with your mission here on the planet. Then, release the vision and, yes, going into an alpha state is a good way to go :)

[Inelia]

This women seems so wonderful and interesting. The vibe I get from her is one that there is many many more like her, all of them hear to carry out particular missions to fulfill a purpose that to (me anyway) is not entirely clear, but has the bearings that it is of vital importance to the conciseness of humanity. Inelia is certainly unique in her own way, i am looking forward to watching her and observing her way of delivering her information, that sends a wave of resonation to me.

When I think of people like Inelia, who clearly has a profound purpose hear on Earth like so many others, I start to wonder, should we be enquiring into there missions, could this disturb there natural flow path, OR is this inquiry a part of her mission, that this is apart of her purpose, for use to look into her experiences and learn about them. But then again Inelia does state that she was told to find Bill and Avalon, so maybe this is the right thing to be doing. Its just my own personal theory to the whole saga, I suppose its just a theory for stimulation lol.

Peace

Yes, there are millions of people on the planet who are here for the same mission as I am, which is very simple: To raise the level of vibration of the planet.
How these individuals are carrying this out depends on what areas of expertise they are concentrating on. There are also many more who's vibration is so pure and so high that ALL THE NEED TO DO IS STAY ALIVE AND PRESENT in the planet. Their challenge is not to be sucked into negativity or corrupted. The majority of these individuals work behind the scenes, like I did for most of my life. Never showing or telling people what they are doing. Just quietly getting on with it.

My role was made different in that I was asked to go public. Why? Probably to give validation to those millions of people out there, let them know they are not alone, and give them tools and information that will come in handy in this period of time/space. We don't arrive with a manual on how the 3D linear time/space functions. Where did those millions came from? Outside time/space, from other planets. from other dimensions, from source... the list is endless. For those waiting for ETs or Angles to come and save them, I would say, look in the mirror! ;)

[Adi]

"Where did those millions came from? Outside time/space, from other planets. from other dimensions, from source... the list is endless. "

As Dolores Cannon said "The call went out".

Peace

[Adi]

There's one thing I must ask Inelia, its something I noticed in your trailer interview with Bill, your accent, as an Irish guy like myself i tend to pick up the Irish accent from far away when I am in a foreign country, and yours, well it does sound strikingly Irish its the tone or something, have you ever lived in Ireland.
Its beautiful.

Adi

Peace

[Inelia]

There's one thing I must ask Inelia, its something I noticed in your trailer interview with Bill, your accent, as an Irish guy like myself i tend to pick up the Irish accent from far away when I am in a foreign country, and yours, well it does sound strikingly Irish its the tone or something, have you ever lived in Ireland.
Its beautiful.

Adi

Peace

LOL well spotted Adi. Yes, I lived in Ireland for 9 years, Swords, Dublin, and went to college there, DCU. And yes, it does show sometimes. When I go back, it goes a lot more Irish than when I'm abroad.

[Adi]

lol, thats so good to hear. I live out near tallagth, it's a pitty your gone, Ireland definitely needs more souls like you, sometimes I find it hard to understand people hear, some Irish people are so unawakened its unreal, i often feel lost in this city, but don't get me wrong there is some wonderful people here to. I just never seemed to fit into the irish society, I always felt like I was trying to understand people here, my family is very catholic, li(changing though) like most families in Ireland, but me I never seemed to understand it, I remember looking at my family when I was young at mass and wondering why they did this, I just could not understand it, even in shool i would get in trouble becuase i had controversial views on the church lol, Id love to here what way u think Irish society is going, are they awakening or are the still drinking to much lol :) Go raibh maith agat

[Nani]

Well I am delighted with Inelia, I think is not coincidence that she contacted Bill in January right after the release of the Charles video, such a different vibe. IMO the source sent her to contact Bill in order to elevate the frequency. We need more Inelias coming forward!

[Snowbird]

I haven't read all the way through this particular thread as yet, but I just wanted to ask Inelia if you have ever found a place on this Earth where you have felt at home in a grounded way? You have lived in several countries and appear to have traveled to a degree, but have you ever found a place where you really felt at home and comfortable and a part-of?

We have talked about this subject on this forum some time ago, and there are quite a few of us who live on the Earth and were born on this Earth, but have yet to feel at home on this Earth.

[ulli]

I haven't read all the way through this particular thread as yet, but I just wanted to ask Inelia if you have ever found a place on this Earth where you have felt at home in a grounded way? You have lived in several countries and appear to have traveled to a degree, but have you ever found a place where you really felt at home?

We have talked about this subject on this forum some time ago, and there are quite a few of us who live on the Earth and were born on this Earth, but have yet to feel at home on this Earth.

That's a "me too" post, for sure.
And even though I live in two very desirable countries where the immigration offices are constantly being bombarded with applications I still can't say I feel I have found my spot...
which is why I have been on the spiritual search for so long...
only when immersed in creative activities, or gardening, or service, or writing well-thoughtout posts do I feel good.

[Inelia]

I haven't read all the way through this particular thread as yet, but I just wanted to ask Inelia if you have ever found a place on this Earth where you have felt at home in a grounded way? You have lived in several countries and appear to have traveled to a degree, but have you ever found a place where you really felt at home and comfortable and a part-of?

We have talked about this subject on this forum some time ago, and there are quite a few of us who live on the Earth and were born on this Earth, but have yet to feel at home on this Earth.

Yes, I totally resonate with your statement.

There was one particular place where I was welcomed by the land and the people, and I really wanted to live there, but was not able to for personal reasons. It was a piece of land that belonged to a Mapuche lady, which was on the edge of the Mapuche reservation in Osorno, Chile. I went to see the plot of land with the owner's husband and my first husband. We walked the entire property (about 30 hectares I think), I felt totally at home there, the land spoke to me, it was a magical moment out of time/space. Before the owner could sell the land (which was part of a hill), she needed the Machi's permission (Machi is the healer/elder/leader/shaman of the Mapuche people). We bought tobacco, then went to the Machi's cabin. She came out, smiling, and walked right up to me, then her eyes went really big, and she said, "you are one of us! What a surprise, you are white, but one of us." (For the Mapuche native people, those of Spanish ancestry are white). "Yes," she said, "I will let you buy the land."

Alas, I was not able to in the end.

There were a couple of other incidents like this one in different places around the world, what I realised is that it is there are geographical areas in the planet that are still alive, and have "caretakers", and when one of these welcomes us, it feels like home :)

[Saul]

Does not work like that

[Seikou-Kishi]

Does not work like that

What doesn't work like what?

[karelia]

Does not work like that

Would you mind expanding a little here? What does not work like what? Thanks.

[dmarie]

Hi Inelia,

I have sort of lost track of this thread so I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not, but what is your knowledge of Angels and Archangels? What is their part to play in regards to humans?

Many thanks

[MoSh187]

@ Inelia....
Can you tell me what is the best way to manifest? Is putting my headphones on ,going into an alpha state a good way to go? What do you recommend?
Thanks

I will put my 2 cents here. yes setting intent helps. Everything begins and ends with intent. But it's not just going to be handed to you on a silver platter. In order to receive a gift you have to be vibrationally prepared for it. so on your journey, you will encounter sometimes extremely frustrating circumstances... these things teach you to let go of certain things within your self. letting go of these things is a process that takes considerable time. Inelia touches on this in some of her articles but doesn't go completely in depth.

Fortunately, we have a built in tool kit and compass.. and this is built right into humans. I will name some of them

Logical thinking
feeling with heart
gut sense intuition
dreams
Synchronicity.

When on your path to manifest whatever :safety, soul mate, etc always check if these things are in alignment.

If you are presented with a choice to go towards what you want to manifest. Ask yourself, does it logically make sense? does it feel right with my heart? Is my intuition nudging me towards this? Is synchronicity happening around this choice? Have I gotten any dreams related to this? If many or all of those things are in agreement and resonance with each other. it's the right choice PERIOD. Doesn't matter if a friend threatens to cut you out of their life if you make that choice... or there's a possibility of winding up homeless or whatever. No matter how crazy the choice and action may seem... if all of those things are in agreement with each other it is the right choice end of story. And trust me I've been through all of those situation and have come through better than when I have entered them.

Also a good movie about how real manifestation works is called "Hereafter" with Matt Damon. The sequences seem a bit hollywood and fake... but they are the closest and accurate to how this actually works. in the movie a young boy loses his twin brother. And for a long time he wonders where his brother went. He goes on this long and frustrating journey, going to see psychic mediums, people with strange ghost detection technology to find out what happened to his brother. All of these are met with incredible disappointment, but even after a year of this he still pursues his quest to find out what happens. then eventually, near the end of the movie he just happens to be at the right place and the right time and he meets a real psychic who clearly identifies his brother from beyond, after the reading the young boy is prepared to move on with his life. The entire way his story played out is damn near perfect to how this works.

The mindset is to banish all doubts from your mind and persist in spite of all barriers and disappointments. Even if you don't get your "cookie" you will get many untold of and unexpected rewards. And you will vibrationally shine.

and sometimes you get the cookie!

for five long years I was single and wanted to find my soul mate. I went through an extremely frustrating and long journey... but guess what... I found her. We are very telepathic with one another. we speak in unison sometimes. I found a version of her in dreams first which I married on my birthday in a dream of 2009, I met the real one online at a lucid dreaming forum and the post that prompted me to contact her she made on my birthday of 2010. She is exactly the woman I've wanted all my life... the kind of woman that I wanted since I was growing up, whom many said that this type of woman only exists in movies and isn't real... well I'm glad I didn't listen to them. I met her. it's not a happy ending yet... there's still problems but i'm not giving up after going this far. and it's the most amazing story of my life... and it is manifesting!!!

[Newlyn]

Hi Inelia.

You have some favourite movies, books, other media you would like to share? :)

What is your take on this forum, what kind of people are here, and so on?

What do you feel about the human race as a whole? Just love, or some disgust aswell?

How do you know what is going on on the planet? Is it direct contact with god, or through information that resonates with you?

Love to you for stepping forward here. After the interview I was just sitting, looking in to a wall in a state of bliss and meditation, haha. I feel that it´s great to be alive.

Blessings

[jasonzwsa]

Removal of posts

[Jake]

Hi Jake,

Yes! Going with the flow is totally the right things to do. It's important to allow yourself to feel and cry. Don't try to over analyze it, or suppress it. You are expressing a level of joy and emotion that has been suppressed for a long time!

A little exercise you can do which will make it a little easier while this is happening is to breathe light and love into your heartcenter, and as you breathe out, it expand outwards bigger and bigger.

Things might come up to be processed, continue the breathing exercise as it is expressed and released, no analysis.

This is such great news Jake :....)

Thank you again, Inelia. 'No Analysis'. That is going to take some time to pull off. I have programmed myself to be as observant and analytical as possible. I know that sometimes trying to stay TOO aware of an experience will often create 'snags' and 'barriers' because i am not allowing the 'flow' to occur as naturally. Letting go, and relaxing into the sensations, and going with the flow will always bring about a more robust experience, but if I go 'too far' I will not bring back a solid memory. That is my experience.

I keep journals, and I recommend to everyone to start keeping journals of their experiences. I record anything, dreams, OBEs, energy body events, meditations,,, you name it.

As a companion to my journals, I have always kept a list of 'goals'. My goals being experiments that I want to do while out of my body. I have found that if I do not keep a running list of 'goals', then I will find myself wasting time while out of body. Not WASTING time, but if I don't get on to my next 'goal', I will just play and play and play,,, flying, putting hands through stuff, feeling the Astral Air, Messing with the cats in the neigborhood,,, etc. If I have goals that I am working on, then I will remember them while out of body and I can continue my experiments. I have done lots of fun stuff. Interaction with people/animals, I went to the moon (took me several tries) I went to the pyramids at Giza to explore, I have had time-slip events, I was able to find a person who robbed us one night, by simply following him home. If I do not have a running list of goals, I do not seem to remember the OBE as much, because it is without 'purpose'.

I find it fascinating that you do not 'do' anything, and that these energies work through you. i am amazed. You accept your 'missions' with no judgement or personal indignities. I seem to have to have something that I feel I should be doing BEFORE I travel OOB.

My question: Am I hindering the natural progression of my experiences by keeping to my goals? It seems that my 'goals' have been well thought out (from my linear physical perspective), but when I am without the physical 3d 'filters' that are gone when OOB, I am thinking and reacting from a more 'centered' perspective, and my 'goals' will seem silly. I mean they will seem VERY SILLY. It is like I am looking down at myself and saying, "Awww, that is so cute, Little Me is trying to understand". It goes farther than that even. Sometimes (while out of body) I will allow myself to do the experimenting that i have listed as my goals. But it always seems like i am indulging myself, when I shouldn't be. But when I get back into my body, that is all gone, and I am very excited (again) about my experience and my goal. I am aware of many dualities WRT OBE.

Have you ever had goals? have you ever experimented for yourself? BTW I love your exercise 'breathe love and light into the heart center, as you breathe out'.!!! It feels like I am blowing up like a balloon. :):):):)

[Nyce555]

Hi Inelia and others browsing,

I just watched your interview, which is great and gave me a spiritual stimulation. So thank you for that. Something that you mentioned in your interview really jumped out at me. When you talked about people being "blocked" from their mission/journey, it resonated with me. I have been feeling blocked for the past year or two and I am trying to advance spiritually. I am becoming frustrated that I can't see or feel my path anymore. I am attributing this too maybe fear and or negative influences.

Can you or any others that have gone through a similar experience give any tips on how I can break this? I feel like I have a lot to give to others to guide them spiritually, but I am having trouble seeing past this block. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

[rupertreindeer]

Inelia's interview has made me much more aware of more and more blocks. The veils are falling away.
Could Inelia be a type of angel?

[sambience]

Hi.

Thanks Bill and Inelia for the great interview. Much of what Inelia shares about her how she came here sounds almost exactly like a few of the cases in Dolores Canon's 'The Convoluted Universe' series, which, by the way, I love.

I wonder if Bill and/or Inelia have read any of Ms. Canon's work, and if so, what is their impression of it?

Peace

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Inelia,

I had a thought today that what we perceive as "dark" or "evil" entities are probably just teachers. They may be here to help those that what to experience the "victim" role. It may also be a learning path for them. (A different path for sure, but a valid experience nonetheless)

For example, I could imagine a discussion at a very high level between to "spirit friends":

S1: "Hey, I would like to experience the depths of darkness, see how far can one go... this is just another spectrum of experience after all..."

S2: "OK... you will need a victim for that! I will help you, since I want to experience how hate and hurt feels like. I promise I'll put a good show for you!"

S1: "OK... let's dive in!"

At this point S3 jumps in:

S3: "Folks... I'll come along to get you out of it in case you forget you are simply playing"

[slipknotted]

great stuff i had no idea or even thought my body has feelings, or past expereince's WOW and thanks for sharing.

[Orange]

Hi Inelia, hope your well. I do have a few questions and thoughts to share and I hope you can share your opinions with me, i'd greatly appreciate it :)

First of all I'd like to say thankyou for your video interview. All of that interview comfirmed beliefs I've had from a very young age. Reading through this thread i now feel Comfortable with sharing some things that have been otherwise questioned and doubted in my life and now I can't feel anything other than relief that I may not be alone in what I've experienced. I've always though I was a fool or making it up or lieing to myself, and this thoughts forced on myself because what happened wasn't normal and would never have been accepted by your general society following main stream everday trends and beliefs. Just would never have been accepted.
I've been following the alternative media since 2006 when i was 16. I often came across the love and light believers and never really went against it but it seems to be harder for me to ignore and now coming across you and finding you are a represntation of life full of love and light and the experiences you've shared with us are not too dissimilar to mine, although yours are a more radical version!
My first part of my life I want to share is, when i was around 10 I often sat in a dark room and I'd say it was meditation but not a concious choice of medition and it's here I first felt what I know relate to and outter body experience although mine was more concentrated on what seemed to me floating round our universe just studying it's beauty rather than anything productive or of purpose. But as this was happening I'd feel so alone and I could feel that my body had feeling of like a sinking stomach, like depressing as I was doing this and it made me very emotional and feel like I was always trapped here and then whilst I was there I would always raise the question "why am I/we here?" and this question would always shot me straight back into my body and I felt it was becase that question depressed me so much that I was sucked back here by body.
Does this above make any sense to Inelia? Have you come across a story similar?
Also no more than a year or so later it got less and less frequent and now I'd say it'd be almost impossible to do this again unless I dropped everything and well my body or mind craves to be somewhere surrounded by nature and on my own to this. Is the my spirit wanting this or the driver or the mind or the body itself?
Also do you advise anything after Reading this? Anything at all is welcome.

Anyway enough off rambling thankyou for reading :)
I've not come across a story like yours inelia and I felt the need to share in order to maybe get answers into what was going on then as I feel such a whole left in my life from this confusion.

Thankyou again!

[Normalguy31]

Hey Inelia,
There is a lot of info being brought to light lately about comet Elenin, Planet X, Nibiru. NASA has recently confirmed that there is a large comet headed towards earth that is going to cross Earth's orbit around the Sun twice called Elenin. The comet was found by an amateur Russian astronomer with the last name Elenin. It is hard to find any credible information on this man, and some believe him to be fabricated to keep the public deaf, dumb, and blind to the real story.

The "comet" was in line with the Earth, and Sun for the past three massive earthquakes, according to the information released by NASA. There is another alignment for September 26/27 of this year, but the "comet" is MUCH closer this time.

What are your thoughts on this large mass in space headed towards Earth? Have you heard anything recently about this ?

[raymond]

If it was up to me, we would clear up all negative vibration from the planet in an instant. However, one of the rules of the game at this level is free will. We cannot enforce a transformation on another being unless they engaged in battle themselves (and had the intention of enforcing a transformation on the other party).

Hey Inelia. What do you mean exactly by "engaged in battle themselves?"

Do you mean engaged in battle with negative spiritual forces outside them? Like how you bravely went into this mansion of darkness and granted clemency to the extremely dark being in the interview?

Or do you mean engaged in battle with negative spiritual forces inside themselves? Like how the yogis and monks of many estoteric traditions will troop off by themselves into the deserts or mountains and meditate in very secluded locations for years?

[raymond]

Hi Inelia,

Is it safe to say you are still investigating the layers of your persona?

Peace

K

Well, "persona" means (according to the web dictionary) "an actor's portrayal of someone in a play". In that sense, I don't play a character really, nor do I investigate that character's role. I am simply myself. However, I am still investigating my "humanity". A big part of my life has been exploring things such as why suffering exists and what for, how can fear be removed, and when it is healthy, what belongs to the body, the subtle bodies or the "big being (self)", why people have the need to have a significant other, how come tptb get away with implanting programs and physical implants on highly psychic individuals to stop them doing powerful stuff - and how can these be removed... things like that.

How would these highly psychic individuals remove these physical and psychic implants from themselves?

I am very interested in this topic.

On a sidenote, why do you think people need to have a significant other? (I have my own answers already but it would be interesting to see your on this minor topic)

Do you think a significant other is an aid or a deterrent to enlightenment?

[Little Ishta]

Wonderful interview. It confirmed a lot of things for me. And I thank you for that. A lot of us are here to help. The mission that we were sent to do is not an easy task. So many blockages. But we are getting past them. Nice to see and know another "Chosen".

[aranuk]

Ace


Hi Inelia
Thank you for the link you provided.

http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I have noticed both you and Bill have Broke bread with the same mutual friend.
Terril Park.

Back in November 2005 Bill attended a mini FZ conference in an East Grinstead Coffee Shop.
http://www.arovast.co.uk/gatwick05.htm

Then back in April\May 2008 Terril Park Visited you at your home.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=95595&postcount=2


I also see you felt you were scammed out of 3000 inheritance money
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=183149#post183149

Did you manage to recover that money?

Kind Regards
Ace

Hi Ace,

I never did get my money back, unfortunately. I did meet Terril at my home, he's a great guy! And the connection with Bill, truly amazing. I had no idea they knew each other.

This is some cool stuff, you might be interested to know that Bill and I lived in the same city in 1989, like 3 miles from each other. Plus had close run ins a couple of other times during our travels. Like, we both spent the summer of '78 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's kinda cool :)[/QUOTE]
Inelia that is interesting. I too was in Edinburgh that summer! Mind you I've always lived here. :o May I ask where you were living and why you were there at that time. You must have been a wee baby though. And Bill presumably didn't wear his famous hat. That's it! Now I know why you didn't recognise him. That's maybe why I didn't recognize him either. May you both prosper in all your missions on this Earth! I love you both.

Stan

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,
I just watched the interview today. Thank-you and thanks Bill.

A question

You were saying that if someone is on a path of enlightenment they would aquire supernatural skills automatically but if they are just looking for the skills it won't happen, so my question is why was this "Evil" person in his mansion so powerful ? Basically why do very negative people get so powerful ?


Peace
Jason

Oh, no, that's not what I said. I said that anyone can get these abilities (Normal human abilities, not supernatural), and there are many places and courses one can do to get them. But they don't raise the level of vibration for the planet in and of themselves, they are a distraction.

[MoSh187]

wow. I have a feeling that inelia has become a celebrity overnight. Very unlikely she will answer everyone's questions now... But hey the point of her interview was so that we ourselves could evolve and effect change!

[webyourstuff]

This thread is long overdue.

What I am finding interesting about Inelia recently is the way some people are drawn to attack her or look for ways to. It's really weird. I watch people ascribe motivations and intentions to her which, having met her, I don't even think she is capable of if she wanted to. From what I can tell, Inelia does not have judgements about people in an ego based way. Oh sure she can get angry and feel all the emotions, but she sees the bigger picture clearly. She is like my own Teacher in this way.

So, my theory is that people see themselves reflected in Inelia. By her vary nature she brings peoples stuff to the surface for them to see just by being present. I see this in my own life in smaller ways. If someone is deluding themselves and you don't join in the delusion, you become a threat. Some people don't like what they see of themselves reflected by Inelia, so they attack. Does that make sense? Inelia, please comment when you find time.

"Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrites than one honest man." - Albert Einstein

I think a lot of it is protective self defense - that is, find something wrong with something that looks good, before it can break your heart and hurt you.

[webyourstuff]

Hi Ace,

I never did get my money back, unfortunately. I did meet Terril at my home, he's a great guy! And the connection with Bill, truly amazing. I had no idea they knew each other.

This is some cool stuff, you might be interested to know that Bill and I lived in the same city in 1989, like 3 miles from each other. Plus had close run ins a couple of other times during our travels. Like, we both spent the summer of '78 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's kinda cool :)[/QUOTE]
Inelia that is interesting. I too was in Edinburgh that summer! Mind you I've always lived here. :o May I ask where you were living and why you were there at that time. You must have been a wee baby though. And Bill presumably didn't wear his famous hat. That's it! Now I know why you didn't recognise him. That's maybe why I didn't recognize him either. May you both prosper in all your missions on this Earth! I love you both.

Stan[/QUOTE]

Hey cool! Add me to the "Terril Park Admiration Club" too! I had many email conversations with him and one trans atlantic phone call. I was under strain and quite drained when we talked, and I don't think he was much impressed with me. Nonetheless, I am quite impressed with him, and applaud him.

But anyway, I am glad to see the movers and shakers of those web-groups who are doing something significant toward enlightenment are finding each other and communicating.

[raymond]

I am pretty sure if Inelia answers the questions to the best of her abilities, everyone of us will benefit from just a few minutes of her time.

Some of the questions are more significant than others and go straight to the heart of things.

[raymond]

Inelia has the right, of course, not to answer any of our questions but silence sometimes reveal more than actual answers themselves.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia.

You have some favourite movies, books, other media you would like to share? :)

I'd say Avatar is one of my favourite movies. Books, I love Terry Pratchett's Disk World Series. I love art, music, photography and enjoy taking in the amazing human creations around the world.


What is your take on this forum, what kind of people are here, and so on?

I find this forum to be a great example of how one man's dream can become a reality. We are a great bunch of individuals with a huge amount of talent, knowing and potential.


What do you feel about the human race as a whole? Just love, or some disgust aswell?

I am the human race as much as the next person. We are all One really, the illusion of singularity is actually not very deep. No judgment in emotion about us.


How do you know what is going on on the planet? Is it direct contact with god, or through information that resonates with you?

Well, I purposely do not use the word god, because it is completely bastardized in so many areas and religions. I prefer Source, or Divine Consciousness. And yes to both of the above, combined with a huge amount of synchronisities.


Love to you for stepping forward here. After the interview I was just sitting, looking in to a wall in a state of bliss and meditation, haha. I feel that it´s great to be alive.

Blessings

Thanks you. The interview, of course, has nothing to do with me. I'm just the messenger.

[dmarie]

Repost:

Hi Inelia,

I have sort of lost track of this thread so I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not, but what is your knowledge of Angels and Archangels? What is their part to play in regards to humans and our ascension?

Many thanks

[MoSh187]

inelia, what are your thoughts on "soul mates," or , "twin flames."? Are they real? Has any of your personal missions involved bringing such unions together? Some spiritualist material states that when a soul comes from the source it splits in two and later becomes whole after many lifetimes ready to the return of the source... Did this happen to you?

[Inelia]

Hi Jake,

Yes! Going with the flow is totally the right things to do. It's important to allow yourself to feel and cry. Don't try to over analyze it, or suppress it. You are expressing a level of joy and emotion that has been suppressed for a long time!

A little exercise you can do which will make it a little easier while this is happening is to breathe light and love into your heartcenter, and as you breathe out, it expand outwards bigger and bigger.

Things might come up to be processed, continue the breathing exercise as it is expressed and released, no analysis.

This is such great news Jake :....)

Thank you again, Inelia. 'No Analysis'. That is going to take some time to pull off. I have programmed myself to be as observant and analytical as possible. I know that sometimes trying to stay TOO aware of an experience will often create 'snags' and 'barriers' because i am not allowing the 'flow' to occur as naturally. Letting go, and relaxing into the sensations, and going with the flow will always bring about a more robust experience, but if I go 'too far' I will not bring back a solid memory. That is my experience.

I keep journals, and I recommend to everyone to start keeping journals of their experiences. I record anything, dreams, OBEs, energy body events, meditations,,, you name it.

As a companion to my journals, I have always kept a list of 'goals'. My goals being experiments that I want to do while out of my body. I have found that if I do not keep a running list of 'goals', then I will find myself wasting time while out of body. Not WASTING time, but if I don't get on to my next 'goal', I will just play and play and play,,, flying, putting hands through stuff, feeling the Astral Air, Messing with the cats in the neigborhood,,, etc. If I have goals that I am working on, then I will remember them while out of body and I can continue my experiments. I have done lots of fun stuff. Interaction with people/animals, I went to the moon (took me several tries) I went to the pyramids at Giza to explore, I have had time-slip events, I was able to find a person who robbed us one night, by simply following him home. If I do not have a running list of goals, I do not seem to remember the OBE as much, because it is without 'purpose'.

I find it fascinating that you do not 'do' anything, and that these energies work through you. i am amazed. You accept your 'missions' with no judgement or personal indignities. I seem to have to have something that I feel I should be doing BEFORE I travel OOB.

My question: Am I hindering the natural progression of my experiences by keeping to my goals? It seems that my 'goals' have been well thought out (from my linear physical perspective), but when I am without the physical 3d 'filters' that are gone when OOB, I am thinking and reacting from a more 'centered' perspective, and my 'goals' will seem silly. I mean they will seem VERY SILLY. It is like I am looking down at myself and saying, "Awww, that is so cute, Little Me is trying to understand". It goes farther than that even. Sometimes (while out of body) I will allow myself to do the experimenting that i have listed as my goals. But it always seems like i am indulging myself, when I shouldn't be. But when I get back into my body, that is all gone, and I am very excited (again) about my experience and my goal. I am aware of many dualities WRT OBE.

Have you ever had goals? have you ever experimented for yourself? BTW I love your exercise 'breathe love and light into the heart center, as you breathe out'.!!! It feels like I am blowing up like a balloon. :):):):)

Jake, thank you for a wonderful post.

I think that the reaction you have to your goals when you come back is very important. They mean something and also give you progress reports. This is something we all need I think. I've never really experimented as such, I did a few tests with another mystic to see how much we could accomplish with regard lucid communication, but that's about it.

And yes, keeping a journal is very important if one wants to do this type of thing. It's a habit that I need to get back into myself. Thank you for the reminder!

[Tangri]

Inelia has the right, of course, not to answer any of our questions but silence sometimes reveal more than actual answers themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koGnZg2kzxY

Love and Peace

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia and others browsing,

I just watched your interview, which is great and gave me a spiritual stimulation. So thank you for that. Something that you mentioned in your interview really jumped out at me. When you talked about people being "blocked" from their mission/journey, it resonated with me. I have been feeling blocked for the past year or two and I am trying to advance spiritually. I am becoming frustrated that I can't see or feel my path anymore. I am attributing this too maybe fear and or negative influences.

Can you or any others that have gone through a similar experience give any tips on how I can break this? I feel like I have a lot to give to others to guide them spiritually, but I am having trouble seeing past this block. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Nyce,

If it resonates, try the exercise here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208859&viewfull=1#post208859
with the words "I'm blocked".

[Inelia]

Inelia's interview has made me much more aware of more and more blocks. The veils are falling away.
Could Inelia be a type of angel?

I very much doubt it :)

One of my best friends is an incarnated angel. One can actually perceive her huge wings very easily, she's really, really amazing. And I did have an angel manifest to me as a kid. But that's a different story (I think one of my entourage put on a costume to make me feel better at that time).

But thank you.

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Hi.

Thanks Bill and Inelia for the great interview. Much of what Inelia shares about her how she came here sounds almost exactly like a few of the cases in Dolores Canon's 'The Convoluted Universe' series, which, by the way, I love.

I wonder if Bill and/or Inelia have read any of Ms. Canon's work, and if so, what is their impression of it?

Peace

I've received a ton of emails talking about this, so I have to check it out. I am not familiar with her work, apart from one interview I watched. Do you have a reference?

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Hello Inelia,

I had a thought today that what we perceive as "dark" or "evil" entities are probably just teachers. They may be here to help those that what to experience the "victim" role. It may also be a learning path for them. (A different path for sure, but a valid experience nonetheless)

For example, I could imagine a discussion at a very high level between to "spirit friends":

S1: "Hey, I would like to experience the depths of darkness, see how far can one go... this is just another spectrum of experience after all..."

S2: "OK... you will need a victim for that! I will help you, since I want to experience how hate and hurt feels like. I promise I'll put a good show for you!"

S1: "OK... let's dive in!"

At this point S3 jumps in:

S3: "Folks... I'll come along to get you out of it in case you forget you are simply playing"

I love it :)

Yes, with many beings this is exactly how it works. In fact, there are many who take turns, and then get into a cycle of abuse. And yes, sometimes it is another being who has to jump in to get them untangled.

[MoSh187]

I find it quite interesting that you talk about lucid communication! I have what is called "shared dreams," these are dreams where 2 or more people remember being in the same dream from the same night... or sometimes spanning over days. In my experience... the dream level of reality is a collective reality much like this physical earth plane. people can do this lucid or not. I have pages and pages of shared dreams BTW sometimes with as much as 8 people, and in many instances the people showed up "by accident".

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia, hope your well. I do have a few questions and thoughts to share and I hope you can share your opinions with me, i'd greatly appreciate it :)

First of all I'd like to say thankyou for your video interview. All of that interview comfirmed beliefs I've had from a very young age. Reading through this thread i now feel Comfortable with sharing some things that have been otherwise questioned and doubted in my life and now I can't feel anything other than relief that I may not be alone in what I've experienced. I've always though I was a fool or making it up or lieing to myself, and this thoughts forced on myself because what happened wasn't normal and would never have been accepted by your general society following main stream everday trends and beliefs. Just would never have been accepted.
I've been following the alternative media since 2006 when i was 16. I often came across the love and light believers and never really went against it but it seems to be harder for me to ignore and now coming across you and finding you are a represntation of life full of love and light and the experiences you've shared with us are not too dissimilar to mine, although yours are a more radical version!
My first part of my life I want to share is, when i was around 10 I often sat in a dark room and I'd say it was meditation but not a concious choice of medition and it's here I first felt what I know relate to and outter body experience although mine was more concentrated on what seemed to me floating round our universe just studying it's beauty rather than anything productive or of purpose. But as this was happening I'd feel so alone and I could feel that my body had feeling of like a sinking stomach, like depressing as I was doing this and it made me very emotional and feel like I was always trapped here and then whilst I was there I would always raise the question "why am I/we here?" and this question would always shot me straight back into my body and I felt it was becase that question depressed me so much that I was sucked back here by body.
Does this above make any sense to Inelia? Have you come across a story similar?
Also no more than a year or so later it got less and less frequent and now I'd say it'd be almost impossible to do this again unless I dropped everything and well my body or mind craves to be somewhere surrounded by nature and on my own to this. Is the my spirit wanting this or the driver or the mind or the body itself?
Also do you advise anything after Reading this? Anything at all is welcome.

Anyway enough off rambling thankyou for reading :)
I've not come across a story like yours inelia and I felt the need to share in order to maybe get answers into what was going on then as I feel such a whole left in my life from this confusion.

Thankyou again!

It sounds very much like it was a "body fear" that stopped the process. I'm thinking this because it is very hard for the being to feel lonely, unless the person is very disconnected from source, but the body can feel loneliness very, very intensely. Have a look at the memory and see, did it become afraid thinking you were leaving it behind?
If so, I would suggest to acknowledge this, give the body a big energy hug and let it know that you won't leave it all the way, or forever, but will be back soon. And then do a little bit more every time. It's like a good relationship between a rider and his or her horse.

[Inelia]

Hey Inelia,
There is a lot of info being brought to light lately about comet Elenin, Planet X, Nibiru. NASA has recently confirmed that there is a large comet headed towards earth that is going to cross Earth's orbit around the Sun twice called Elenin. The comet was found by an amateur Russian astronomer with the last name Elenin. It is hard to find any credible information on this man, and some believe him to be fabricated to keep the public deaf, dumb, and blind to the real story.

The "comet" was in line with the Earth, and Sun for the past three massive earthquakes, according to the information released by NASA. There is another alignment for September 26/27 of this year, but the "comet" is MUCH closer this time.

What are your thoughts on this large mass in space headed towards Earth? Have you heard anything recently about this ?

I've heard of it, and if we are to take synchronistic events into account, when I was looking into this, my 4 year old walked in with a picture he had just drawn, it was a black ball. I asked him what it was, and he said, "it's the black planet of course, what do you think?" Did he pick it up from my mind? Possibly, or it could have been a clue.

I haven't looked at it since, but when I read about it, it appeared to be confirmed.

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If it was up to me, we would clear up all negative vibration from the planet in an instant. However, one of the rules of the game at this level is free will. We cannot enforce a transformation on another being unless they engaged in battle themselves (and had the intention of enforcing a transformation on the other party).

Hey Inelia. What do you mean exactly by "engaged in battle themselves?"

Do you mean engaged in battle with negative spiritual forces outside them? Like how you bravely went into this mansion of darkness and granted clemency to the extremely dark being in the interview?

Or do you mean engaged in battle with negative spiritual forces inside themselves? Like how the yogis and monks of many estoteric traditions will troop off by themselves into the deserts or mountains and meditate in very secluded locations for years?

Right, yes, I see the confusion in my sentence. I meant that the negative beings can't just be "removed" or "transformed", they need to engage, and more often then not, their engagement is a battle stance. In other words, they attack or try to transform the other party into a victim or into an ally.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

Is it safe to say you are still investigating the layers of your persona?

Peace

K

Well, "persona" means (according to the web dictionary) "an actor's portrayal of someone in a play". In that sense, I don't play a character really, nor do I investigate that character's role. I am simply myself. However, I am still investigating my "humanity". A big part of my life has been exploring things such as why suffering exists and what for, how can fear be removed, and when it is healthy, what belongs to the body, the subtle bodies or the "big being (self)", why people have the need to have a significant other, how come tptb get away with implanting programs and physical implants on highly psychic individuals to stop them doing powerful stuff - and how can these be removed... things like that.

How would these highly psychic individuals remove these physical and psychic implants from themselves?

I am very interested in this topic.

On a sidenote, why do you think people need to have a significant other? (I have my own answers already but it would be interesting to see your on this minor topic)

Do you think a significant other is an aid or a deterrent to enlightenment?

First question, I am still working on the removal of implants. A very effective one is the firewall exercise, plus the fear processing exercise I have mentioned before. As to physical implants, I'm testing to see if those can be short circuited by pushing them to the limit. But I guess we need more volunteers to test that theory on :)

As to the significant other. I do understand that at a human level we function better when mated with someone with the same mission and vibrational level, or even with someone who supports us with our mission, or someone we can support in their mission.

The having a significant other is neither an aid or deterrent on and of itself, it's more like the type of relationship we have with the significant other which will be either empowering or disabling.

[Fred Steeves]

Hello Inelia,

I had a thought today that what we perceive as "dark" or "evil" entities are probably just teachers. They may be here to help those that what to experience the "victim" role. It may also be a learning path for them. (A different path for sure, but a valid experience nonetheless)

For example, I could imagine a discussion at a very high level between to "spirit friends":

S1: "Hey, I would like to experience the depths of darkness, see how far can one go... this is just another spectrum of experience after all..."

S2: "OK... you will need a victim for that! I will help you, since I want to experience how hate and hurt feels like. I promise I'll put a good show for you!"

S1: "OK... let's dive in!"

At this point S3 jumps in:

S3: "Folks... I'll come along to get you out of it in case you forget you are simply playing"

I came across a cute little story recently about that by Donald Walsh. Probably an old one for many here, but new for me.

It's well worth the read if you haven't seen it yet.

Cheers,
Fred

http://lossofsoul.com/LIFE_IS/Story/soul-en.htm

[Inelia]

Wonderful interview. It confirmed a lot of things for me. And I thank you for that. A lot of us are here to help. The mission that we were sent to do is not an easy task. So many blockages. But we are getting past them. Nice to see and know another "Chosen".

Well, I don't think any of us is "Chosen" as such. I believe its more of our choosing a mission.

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May I ask where you were living and why you were there at that time. You must have been a wee baby though. And Bill presumably didn't wear his famous hat. That's it! Now I know why you didn't recognise him. That's maybe why I didn't recognize him either. May you both prosper in all your missions on this Earth! I love you both.

Stan

Hi Stan, I was living in Nottingham, I grew up there :) I was 23. And I think your theory was right, without his hat, how could I have recognised him?

[Inelia]

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Hi Inelia,

I have sort of lost track of this thread so I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not, but what is your knowledge of Angels and Archangels? What is their part to play in regards to humans and our ascension?

Many thanks

Hi dmarie,

Do they exist? Yes, I believe they do. I do resonate with Doreen Virtue's work with regard angels. And my mother was featured in a book by another author of angels, Ambika Wauters, manifesting in real life. Her life was in danger at the time, and an angel appeared and protected her. I think their main role is that of protection and assitance. They are here to serve.

[Inelia]

inelia, what are your thoughts on "soul mates," or , "twin flames."? Are they real? Has any of your personal missions involved bringing such unions together? Some spiritualist material states that when a soul comes from the source it splits in two and later becomes whole after many lifetimes ready to the return of the source... Did this happen to you?

I've heard of that, and I really have no experience with it at all. Not part of my mission.

The way I saw it, there was one Source and all souls split from it. So, perhaps when two of the pieces start walking the same path, they meet and rejoin, making them more able and powerful in their roles. These are theories from someone who is new to this. When I came in, I experienced many more coming in at the same time, thousands [not necessarily in the same linear time/space, although it felt that way at the "out of time space" moment]. Equals in nature, different in roles. I sometimes tap in and see where they are at in their missions. Some were lost, in fact a lot were lost, too harsh here. Some fell into the dream, others are awake and working diligently away.


I find it quite interesting that you talk about lucid communication! I have what is called "shared dreams," these are dreams where 2 or more people remember being in the same dream from the same night... or sometimes spanning over days. In my experience... the dream level of reality is a collective reality much like this physical earth plane. people can do this lucid or not. I have pages and pages of shared dreams BTW sometimes with as much as 8 people, and in many instances the people showed up "by accident".

yes, absolutely!

[MoSh187]

I sometimes tap in and see where they are at in their missions. Some were lost, in fact a lot were lost, too harsh here. Some fell into the dream, others are awake and working diligently away.


yes, absolutely!


wow, I had a few "aha," moments after reading that... Thank you. around the time I saw your interview., I awoke one morning to see your face in my dream vision! Other times I believe I felt your presence... and sometimes thinking it was all my imagination. However this post confirms some things for me... in any case then... :wave: . I just may be one of those souls.

Edit: was browsing the forum and saw at the bottom a total of 555 users were on the forum today... an amazing coincidence!

[Hervé]

Regarding the work of Dolores Cannon and similars, here is my concern as stated in another thread:


Something to take into consideration with regards to hypnosis:

Here are the words from a very old oral tradition echoed to the ears of an apprentice to the Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon, Voyage au delà du Mental):



“Never in my life have I ever used hypnosis as my masters constantly repeated to me that what destroys Man’s will, destroys Man. Hypnosis destroys consciousness of motion and therefore massacres personality. For hypnosis is to a man’s brain what drug is to his body: a poison which, by killing his will, enslaves his soul into only perceiving lies.

“The difference between drugs and mental disciplines is that drugs kill; whereas, whichever ascetic discipline chosen, it strengthens/empowers. Man is prisoner of drugs, he is the master of the disciplines he subjects his body to in order to free his spirit from the gangue he is prisoner of.

"Man is ignorant of the fact that he is both a machine as well as its mechanics. He distances himself from nature and resorts to artifice. Artifice slowly kills him."


How to do it without hypnosis and/or Carmody's kind of determination?

Here is a site one can start from.

http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/

Do read what the guy has to say... and you may realize that it's hypnosis that creates and maintains the skull dwelling zombies also known as sheeples.


Hence, Inelia, any input regarding the above?

[Inelia]

Regarding the work of Dolores Cannon and similars, here is my concern as stated in another thread:


Something to take into consideration with regards to hypnosis:

Here are the words from a very old oral tradition echoed to the ears of an apprentice to the Gypsy tradition (Pierre Derlon, Voyage au delà du Mental):



“Never in my life have I ever used hypnosis as my masters constantly repeated to me that what destroys Man’s will, destroys Man. Hypnosis destroys consciousness of motion and therefore massacres personality. For hypnosis is to a man’s brain what drug is to his body: a poison which, by killing his will, enslaves his soul into only perceiving lies.

“The difference between drugs and mental disciplines is that drugs kill; whereas, whichever ascetic discipline chosen, it strengthens/empowers. Man is prisoner of drugs, he is the master of the disciplines he subjects his body to in order to free his spirit from the gangue he is prisoner of.

"Man is ignorant of the fact that he is both a machine as well as its mechanics. He distances himself from nature and resorts to artifice. Artifice slowly kills him."


How to do it without hypnosis and/or Carmody's kind of determination?

Here is a site one can start from.

http://www.matrixrevealed.com./ (http://www.matrixrevealed.com./)

Do read what the guy has to say... and you may realize that it's hypnosis that creates and maintains the skull dwelling zombies also known as sheeples.


Hence, Inelia, any input regarding the above?

Hi Amzer,

I'm not at all familiar with hypnosis. The closest I got was the regression exercises by Dr Brian Weiss. Which I am not sure if they qualify. Does Dolores Cannon use hypnosis?

There are so many states of mind, that we call hypnotic. The masses are in a zombi like state, it is true, are they in a hypnotic state, and is this the same as is being used by certain lighworkers to get a person to find hidden memories? I have no idea.

Personally, I've always had an aversion to being hypnotized by someone else. I honestly don't even know what it is or how it feels.

[Anchor]

Nice to see and know another "Chosen".

Ishta,

who chose ? What was the choice for which the choosing took place?

John..

[raymond]

As to the significant other. I do understand that at a human level we function better when mated with someone with the same mission and vibrational level, or even with someone who supports us with our mission, or someone we can support in their mission.

The having a significant other is neither an aid or deterrent on and of itself, it's more like the type of relationship we have with the significant other which will be either empowering or disabling.



inelia, what are your thoughts on "soul mates," or , "twin flames."? Are they real? Has any of your personal missions involved bringing such unions together? Some spiritualist material states that when a soul comes from the source it splits in two and later becomes whole after many lifetimes ready to the return of the source... Did this happen to you?

I've heard of that, and I really have no experience with it at all. Not part of my mission.

The way I saw it, there was one Source and all souls split from it. So, perhaps when two of the pieces start walking the same path, they meet and rejoin, making them more able and powerful in their roles. These are theories from someone who is new to this. When I came in, I experienced many more coming in at the same time, thousands [not necessarily in the same linear time/space, although it felt that way at the "out of time space" moment]. Equals in nature, different in roles. I sometimes tap in and see where they are at in their missions. Some were lost, in fact a lot were lost, too harsh here. Some fell into the dream, others are awake and working diligently away.



I see.. If this is the case, then why do most monks in the buddhist traditions, not to mention most himalayan yogis, still remain celibate and refuse to return to the material life and get married?

If every human on this earth has a role to play and getting "mated" with someone else will help us with our roles, then surely the monks and the yogis, many of whom have done extensive meditation to connect to the Source, would leave their celibate monkhood lives and get into a marriage again.

[Inelia]

As to the significant other. I do understand that at a human level we function better when mated with someone with the same mission and vibrational level, or even with someone who supports us with our mission, or someone we can support in their mission.

The having a significant other is neither an aid or deterrent on and of itself, it's more like the type of relationship we have with the significant other which will be either empowering or disabling.



inelia, what are your thoughts on "soul mates," or , "twin flames."? Are they real? Has any of your personal missions involved bringing such unions together? Some spiritualist material states that when a soul comes from the source it splits in two and later becomes whole after many lifetimes ready to the return of the source... Did this happen to you?

I've heard of that, and I really have no experience with it at all. Not part of my mission.

The way I saw it, there was one Source and all souls split from it. So, perhaps when two of the pieces start walking the same path, they meet and rejoin, making them more able and powerful in their roles. These are theories from someone who is new to this. When I came in, I experienced many more coming in at the same time, thousands [not necessarily in the same linear time/space, although it felt that way at the "out of time space" moment]. Equals in nature, different in roles. I sometimes tap in and see where they are at in their missions. Some were lost, in fact a lot were lost, too harsh here. Some fell into the dream, others are awake and working diligently away.



I see.. If this is the case, then why do most monks in the buddhist traditions, not to mention most himalayan yogis, still remain celibate and refuse to return to the material life and get married?

If every human on this earth has a role to play and getting "mated" with someone else will help us with our roles, then surely the monks and the yogis, many of whom have done extensive meditation to connect to the Source, would leave their celibate monkhood lives and get into a marriage again.

I did not say every human on earth has a role to play getting mated with someone to help us with our roles. Some are some are not. If they will become more able, they meet.
And why do monks an nuns not do it? Because meditating while a toddler is climbing over one is very hard, and having a spouse and kids to feed is not really compatible with spending one's life studying scriptures and doing jobs around the monastery. It is actually very practical, at a spiritual and physical level, to be celibate.

[bearcow]

As to the significant other. I do understand that at a human level we function better when mated with someone with the same mission and vibrational level, or even with someone who supports us with our mission, or someone we can support in their mission.

The having a significant other is neither an aid or deterrent on and of itself, it's more like the type of relationship we have with the significant other which will be either empowering or disabling.



inelia, what are your thoughts on "soul mates," or , "twin flames."? Are they real? Has any of your personal missions involved bringing such unions together? Some spiritualist material states that when a soul comes from the source it splits in two and later becomes whole after many lifetimes ready to the return of the source... Did this happen to you?

I've heard of that, and I really have no experience with it at all. Not part of my mission.

The way I saw it, there was one Source and all souls split from it. So, perhaps when two of the pieces start walking the same path, they meet and rejoin, making them more able and powerful in their roles. These are theories from someone who is new to this. When I came in, I experienced many more coming in at the same time, thousands [not necessarily in the same linear time/space, although it felt that way at the "out of time space" moment]. Equals in nature, different in roles. I sometimes tap in and see where they are at in their missions. Some were lost, in fact a lot were lost, too harsh here. Some fell into the dream, others are awake and working diligently away.



I see.. If this is the case, then why do most monks in the buddhist traditions, not to mention most himalayan yogis, still remain celibate and refuse to return to the material life and get married?

If every human on this earth has a role to play and getting "mated" with someone else will help us with our roles, then surely the monks and the yogis, many of whom have done extensive meditation to connect to the Source, would leave their celibate monkhood lives and get into a marriage again.

I did not say every human on earth has a role to play getting mated with someone to help us with our roles. Some are some are not. If they will become more able, they meet.
And why do monks an nuns not do it? gBecause meditating while a toddler is climbing over one is very hard, and having a spouse and kids to feed is not really compatible with spending one's life studying scriptures and doing jobs around the monastery. It is actually very practical, at a spiritual level, to be celibate.


celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

[Inelia]

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celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

[Little Ishta]

[QUOTE=Little Ishta;230560]Wonderful interview. It confirmed a lot of things for me. And I thank you for that. A lot of us are here to help. The mission that we were sent to do is not an easy task. So many blockages. But we are getting past them. Nice to see and know another "Chosen".

Well, I don't think any of us is "Chosen" as such. I believe its more of our choosing a mission.[COLOR="red"]


Our concept seems to differ here about Chosen. If we chose the mission then we are the Chosen.

[bearcow]

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celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

tantric sex only works in the long run if the sexual charge is skillfully exchanged between male and female and the interplay of yin and yang are creatively used between partners as a path of dual cultivation.
It is a valid path of development, but most people do not have enough control over the energy body, to practice successfully. It is a easier path for women than men, as a male's sexual organ is designed for jing to escape and impregnate, while a women's is more receptive and encapsulates the energy more naturally. For a man to practice successfully on this path, he must not ejaculate, and gain control of the lower yin gates so no or little chi escapes during intercourse. Most men fail in doing this and only do damage to the body.

[MoSh187]

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celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

I agree! I have known some women who practice the tantric sex stuff... and quite many of them healed up many energy blockages... so not only was their sex better, but during their normal day to day lives they generally felt lighter, felt as if they were walking on air, generally more happy and peaceful. All of those things I would say would be the result of higher vibrations.

[rupertreindeer]

Celibacy is OK, but only for a time. Men poison themselves because of having to reabsorb the sperm when they age, and women become bossy and hungry! Much better to positively explore the transcendental relationship potential between a man and woman if you are lucky enough to be in such a situation;)

[bearcow]

like tantra, most of the stuff on the web about the white tigress path is garbage, but this quote i found on one of the sites is relativity accurate


It is the practice of Absorbing the Dragon's Breath that leads to the spiritual achievement of
Illumination the experience of seeing numerous, small, lantern-like lights swaying gently inside
the head. The White Tigress needs to experience this illumination nine separate times in order to produce sufficient energy to create her Spiritual Fetus, or in more practical terms to realize her spiritual potential.

Creating this spiritual fetus is like undergoing the metamorphosis from mortality to
immortality, or like going from blindness to sight. In every sense it is like a spiritual pregnancy
whereupon she gives birth to the spiritual fetus within herself, much like a caterpillar shedding its cocoon and emerging as a butterfly.

The White Tigress, however, must put forth a great effort in her practices to experience
Illumination. It is no easy task, and few can achieve it. But even if the ultimate goal is not reached great health and restoration of youthfulness is possible by all who apply themselves diligently, so no one should assume the journey is fruitless if the ultimate goal is not attained.

most of the stuff regarding physical techniques on the web is of little importance, and if not done from the proper point of view will just make things more difficult for you. If you have not developed a degree of control over your own bio energy, you wont get anywhere on this path.

[Hervé]

Hi Amzer,

I'm not at all familiar with hypnosis. The closest I got was the regression exercises by Dr Brian Weiss. Which I am not sure if they qualify. Does Dolores Cannon use hypnosis?



As far as I understand, Dolores Cannon gets her customers into a very deep trance in order to connect directly to the individual’s spirit/higher self. It is in communicating with these “higher selves” that Dolores gathered her material. I personally don’t see any difference between that and material collected via “channeling” except it’s one step further removed from the individual’s consciousness.

On the other hand, and to her credit, the therapeutic value of such a process is very apparent. The same can also be said for many regression therapy techniques.

I do not know much about Dr. Brian Weiss beside what I got from Wikipedia:



Weiss graduated from the Yale University School of Medicine in 1970, completing an internship in internal medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_medicine) at the New York University Medical Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_Medical_Center) then returning to Yale for a two-year residency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residency_(medicine)) in psychiatry.
[…]
Weiss advocates the therapeutic benefits of hypnotic regression, noting his belief that many present-life phobias and ailments are rooted in past-life experiences that - when acknowledged by the patient - have a curative effect on the present-life condition. Weiss also writes about the messages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channeling) received by the Ascended masters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascended_master) he claims to have communicated through his subjects.

At least, the so-called “self hypnosis” techniques are not violating the “free will” of an individual, which techniques I take to be Dr. Brian Weiss’ regression exercises; but I am only assuming.


There are so many states of mind, that we call hypnotic. The masses are in a zombi like state, it is true, are they in a hypnotic state, and is this the same as is being used by certain lighworkers to get a person to find hidden memories? I have no idea.

I guess that, in order to understand the kind of state most of the population is understood to be in, you would have to take a peek at that guy’s research (http://web.archive.org/web/20110208115750/http://matrixrevealed.com/).

I can see why you would ask if it’s the same as is being used by lightworkers. My take on it is that it relies on a common bypassing of… something. In the case of light workers, the “something” could very well be what’s been implemented in the “during-and-between lives” episodes…? With the risk that it can trigger/restimulate into action those very during-between-lives-implementations. War for souls/energy sources. That’s where things get a little complicated and confused, I think.


Personally, I've always had an aversion to being hypnotized by someone else. I honestly don't even know what it is or how it feels.

I take the "aversion" to be of the "not distancing yourself from nature and not resorting to artifice" the old Gypsy mentor was talking about :thumb:.

What I find so fascinating is that you need only to "be there" in order to re-establish a healing communication within the individual you are "there" with! No need to resort to "artifice." That's so cool :cool:! Catalyst is indeed the best suited term.

Thank you for being!

[Wacko in pajamas]

Wow David ....I came in here looking for just this exact subject in a thread, and found it on 1st try. Dooooooo Da ( Spanish for dude!) I'm not fluent , It could be incorrect . What isn't already?

I know this may seem odd and laughable , but ....

When I was 22 , I almost over dosed and a woman's voice, very similar to Inelia Benz whispered "hey" into my ear ,and woke me up, before I fell out in the worst way . wacky right ?

I have an off topic question , if any one is reading this . Would a "Bad Poetry " thread do this site any justice ? I don't want anyone who takes - themselves and their poetry seriously - to be offended. How do I post a thread , I have tried nothing and I am all out of ideas .
*by "bad" i don't mean evil or negative ... just very poor choices in words that rhyme .

I have trouble staying on topic. sorry...... not enough arms to create all of the ideas whipping through my monkey brain . 7810

[MoSh187]

When I was 22 , I almost over dosed and a woman's voice, very similar to Inelia Benz whispered "hey" into my ear ,and woke me up, before I fell out in the worst way . wacky right ?




no, you're not crazy. see my post a page back. I have also had visitations from what I believe was Inelia.

[MoSh187]

like tantra, most of the stuff on the web about the white tigress path is garbage, but this quote i found on one of the sites is relativity accurate


It is the practice of Absorbing the Dragon's Breath that leads to the spiritual achievement of
Illumination the experience of seeing numerous, small, lantern-like lights swaying gently inside
the head. The White Tigress needs to experience this illumination nine separate times in order to produce sufficient energy to create her Spiritual Fetus, or in more practical terms to realize her spiritual potential.

Creating this spiritual fetus is like undergoing the metamorphosis from mortality to
immortality, or like going from blindness to sight. In every sense it is like a spiritual pregnancy
whereupon she gives birth to the spiritual fetus within herself, much like a caterpillar shedding its cocoon and emerging as a butterfly.

The White Tigress, however, must put forth a great effort in her practices to experience
Illumination. It is no easy task, and few can achieve it. But even if the ultimate goal is not reached great health and restoration of youthfulness is possible by all who apply themselves diligently, so no one should assume the journey is fruitless if the ultimate goal is not attained.

most of the stuff regarding physical techniques on the web is of little importance, and if not done from the proper point of view will just make things more difficult for you. If you have not developed a degree of control over your own bio energy, you wont get anywhere on this path.

yes, for it to happen... The woman has to be open to it. Many women use psychic violence against themselves when they are in depression and have a long held belief that "good things aren't for them", will not likely experience a tantric awakening until they let go of that garbage.

My last partner wasn't open to it unfortunately, She was however very addicted to me on a purely physical level... but she didn't factor in the spiritual side to it and wound up cheating on me in the end. and because I love myself enough I let her go. I've found it interesting that many women often sabotage a good thing when it comes along... men do this to. I really wish people would heal themselves and say to themselves, "I am worthy and deserving of very good things." And really believe it. Because when you do... a whole new world begins revealing itself to you.

Edit: could a mod please merge these two posts of mine. I didn't mean to double post.

[Benign]

Inelia,

Hello.To be honest I am an atheist and words like ''Source'' mean nothing to me.All the possible so called ''supernatural'' abilities a person my have ,to me are just qualities coming from matter since matter is also energy so I consider it possible for consciousness to prevail even after the death of our current physical body.But generally I'm trying to keep an open mind between the millstones of extreme scientific orthodoxy on the one hand and superstitious,meaningless, without evidence mumbo jumbo, on the other.

I have seen how politely and patiently you answer as many questions as possible and I decided to ask you three of my own.So I thought I had better be honest with you,out of respect, and tell you beforehand that I can't accept most of the things you believe in ,like for example Angels or Fairies.

My first question has to do with that evil man in whose mansion you went.You mentioned to Bill(in the interview) that he had killed children and drank their blood among other things.How can such a vile person be suffused with light and forgiveness as you narrated?And if such a thing were possible why didn't it happen before this man could have committed those atrocious crimes?Are innocent children dispensable non entities to ''Source'' that only serve to prove a point?

Secondly,as I do not believe in angels and demons,but I know that aliens exist, I wanted to ask you if you have any opinion on them,generally speaking.There are a few different races but do you have any idea about any alien race?

Thirdly,is the date of one's birth of any significance whatsoever?

Keep well.

[NeverMind]

The important thing in my view is the giving of special and extra thanks and blessings for all that the animals provide us with.


But that won't erase their suffering, will it?
The animal couldn't care less whether we are sorry or not.

I have been a vegetarian for more than 20 years, exclusively for ethical, moral reasons: so as to minimise my contribution to the suffering of other living beings. I couldn't care less what it does or does not do to my body (although it has done nothing but good, judging by my health; I haven't been to a physician in decades).
I find eating the flesh of animals killed for the purpose unacceptable. If anyone wants to eat the flesh of animals who died of natural causes, that's fine with me. But to kill them for the purpose of eating them - with so much vegetable food to choose from! - or using their bodies for any other purpose is beyond my comprehension. To me, it seems just wanton. An unnecessary indulgence at the expense of another living being's life.


N.B. Like Daniel, and others, I am sure, I never comment or ask anything with a malicious intent.
I hope that much is clear. :)

[Orange]

Hi Inelia, hope your well. I do have a few questions and thoughts to share and I hope you can share your opinions with me, i'd greatly appreciate it :)

First of all I'd like to say thankyou for your video interview. All of that interview comfirmed beliefs I've had from a very young age. Reading through this thread i now feel Comfortable with sharing some things that have been otherwise questioned and doubted in my life and now I can't feel anything other than relief that I may not be alone in what I've experienced. I've always though I was a fool or making it up or lieing to myself, and this thoughts forced on myself because what happened wasn't normal and would never have been accepted by your general society following main stream everday trends and beliefs. Just would never have been accepted.
I've been following the alternative media since 2006 when i was 16. I often came across the love and light believers and never really went against it but it seems to be harder for me to ignore and now coming across you and finding you are a represntation of life full of love and light and the experiences you've shared with us are not too dissimilar to mine, although yours are a more radical version!
My first part of my life I want to share is, when i was around 10 I often sat in a dark room and I'd say it was meditation but not a concious choice of medition and it's here I first felt what I know relate to and outter body experience although mine was more concentrated on what seemed to me floating round our universe just studying it's beauty rather than anything productive or of purpose. But as this was happening I'd feel so alone and I could feel that my body had feeling of like a sinking stomach, like depressing as I was doing this and it made me very emotional and feel like I was always trapped here and then whilst I was there I would always raise the question "why am I/we here?" and this question would always shot me straight back into my body and I felt it was becase that question depressed me so much that I was sucked back here by body.
Does this above make any sense to Inelia? Have you come across a story similar?
Also no more than a year or so later it got less and less frequent and now I'd say it'd be almost impossible to do this again unless I dropped everything and well my body or mind craves to be somewhere surrounded by nature and on my own to this. Is the my spirit wanting this or the driver or the mind or the body itself?
Also do you advise anything after Reading this? Anything at all is welcome.

Anyway enough off rambling thankyou for reading :)
I've not come across a story like yours inelia and I felt the need to share in order to maybe get answers into what was going on then as I feel such a whole left in my life from this confusion.

Thankyou again!

It sounds very much like it was a "body fear" that stopped the process. I'm thinking this because it is very hard for the being to feel lonely, unless the person is very disconnected from source, but the body can feel loneliness very, very intensely. Have a look at the memory and see, did it become afraid thinking you were leaving it behind?
If so, I would suggest to acknowledge this, give the body a big energy hug and let it know that you won't leave it all the way, or forever, but will be back soon. And then do a little bit more every time. It's like a good relationship between a rider and his or her horse.

thankyou for the reply!
Any tips to get this started again? I can't seem to do it anymore ..... :(
and it was most definitely a body fear think I was scared of the distance apart and felt unsure of where d be if I delved further.

[JoshERTW]

Great Interview - Was definitely a number of points that popped out at me. There's one specific item I was hoping to ask about - I apologize if this was already answered, have not had a chance to read through all the comments in this thread (in fact I've had little time lately to do much of anything).

You mentioned asking yourself from another timeline about what steps to take to get to that timeline - specifically if you are an artist (in my case musician) you would ask yourself how you can get to a point where you are using this skill to improve the vibration while at the same time being able to make a living on it.

I'm at a tough spot, and feel I may even be getting "blocked" as one poster mentioned, but I am doing all I can to move into a timeline where I'm making music - but this is not currently my "profession" - I am actually working a day job to pay for the equipment, day to day expenses, taking care of my family etc. - and trying to devote some spare time to the musical pursuits and build a new timeline - I've got support from a number of friends, and I feel I'm on the right track - but I also feel there are forces holding me back, and people who are important to me that are much less supportive of these endeavours than I would like...

I guess what I want to know, is how do I ask for this advice from 'future me' and get a response? Do I have to be in a meditative state or what? There are certain challenges that keep reoccuring and I never seem to get past them.

[Saul]

If you were to ask me (and I'm a nobody by the way), I would say deal with it. Whats the harm?

[KeelahSelai]

If I were to ask you to look into the mirror what would you see?

[Saul]

I would see KeelahSelai asking Saul a question. And that is honest.

[Armen]

I've been tracking the camelot/avalon progression for a few years now. Though I felt many instances where it seemed rigth to jump in and get involved, I always held back. The reason was that I didn't feel there was a place for me yet. I could strongly relate to the topics that were being discussed, but I didn't see a place for what I feel I can contribute. That was until the Inelia/Bill interview. The energy and material that was exchanged in that set of posts activated me, and thus, here I am. I feel like an incredible window of opportunity has opened up.

What I mean, is that until then I had only understood the avalon/camelot community to be focused on research, exposing the truth, and dealing with matters that were more geopolitical in nature. I'm not expressing it right, but what I wasn't hearing much about was how to encourage, catalyze, and support the tremendous, human potential that seems to be wanting to express itself through many individuals. Some people are at a point where they might feel a sense of mission without clarity. Others, like me, might have been working at it for a good number of years. Either way, this is the conversation I am interested in. I kind of wish there was a thread specifically devoted to the subject of helping people in their missions/catalyzing action/losgistical support/problem solving.

I do believe, based on my own experiences, and the years of social activism I've been involved in, that it is still extremely difficult for people to act on what they are supposed to be doing. I feel that we have to invent channels, and do what we can to make it easier and easier for people to actualize their potential. Much of this support has to come in the form of financial, resource, and emotional support. For many, isolation is an unchosen imposition. As I listened to the conversation between Bill and Inelia, I was envisioning satelites of events like Awake and Aware springing up, where people came together specifically to hear each others stories and missions, and to begin to coordinate an assertive effort to develop a support network for people who are ready and willing to act, or even people who are trying to figure out what to do. I see so much time being wasted, and I think that a focus on strenghthening and supporting the ground crew, while also addressing the bigger, geopolitical issues, will speed the process up exponentially. In other words, while there are people who are dismantling the present paradigm, we need to actively develop an infrastructure to encourage and strengthen the development of the new. It is the investment in creativity that I see the potential for here. I suppose my wish is that a thread, or sub-group would be created specifically for discussing, coordinating, and enacting this issue.

I believe it's time to start throwing money and resources at the ground crew. It's time to develop systems of funding people's endeavors. It's time for those who are more established and known to exercise their influence and position to encourage, seek out, and enable the unknown talent that is seeping out of every crevice of society, desperately trying to establish a foot hold. It is tragic to see the amount of will and talent I see all around me squashed and squandered. Most of us are unable to fully act on our true capacities, mostly because we aren't taken seriously, and lack our own funds. Meanwhile, there are ridiculous amounts of money being spent on things that are totally counter productive. I'm sorry to come across as so passionate, but the problem is that I am passionate. People shouldn't be prevented from doing good, simply because they don't have money, or representation. This dynamic needs to change. We need to create a bridge between those who have and care, and those who want to do, but don't have. I am more than happy to devote a considerable amount of my talents and understanding to developing this bridge. In fact, my desire is to be part of a catalyzing team, as that is very clearly what I am as well, and where I see my mission lies. I say this to indicate that I'm not just throwing a stone at an issue and saying that somebody needs to do something about it. I'm actually very willing and eager to get involved in the process. But I also understand that it may not be my place to do so, or nominate myself in that capacity yet. I am also willing to sit by patiently and observe. But in the very least, I felt compelled to express the tremendous door I saw open with the direction that Bill and Inelia went in.

Everyday I watch the most brilliant, deep, sensitive, thinking, feeling people I've seen suffer, because they have no where to go. I myself have suffered in this way, and I'm very capable of helping people like that, except that my hands are also very tied. It doesn't have to be that way. We can do better. I know we can. It just takes coordination and imagination. This is what I wanted to express.

[jp11]

Nicely said, Armen. And no need to apologize for your passion. It opens the door for others to join in and contribute with their ideas that compliment your thinking and monetary means, if they are so inclined.

I especially like... "People shouldn't be prevented from doing good, simply because they don't have money, or representation. This dynamic needs to change. We need to create a bridge between those who have and care, and those who want to do, but don't have."

:nod:

[Armen]

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep posting my thoughts on this subject. I see so many opportunities for catalyzing movement. I hope that if there are others who can relate, that they do join in the conversation.

[agentofchange]

<snip>


celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

tantric sex only works in the long run if the sexual charge is skillfully exchanged between male and female and the interplay of yin and yang are creatively used between partners as a path of dual cultivation.
It is a valid path of development, but most people do not have enough control over the energy body, to practice successfully. It is a easier path for women than men, as a male's sexual organ is designed for jing to escape and impregnate, while a women's is more receptive and encapsulates the energy more naturally. For a man to practice successfully on this path, he must not ejaculate, and gain control of the lower yin gates so no or little chi escapes during intercourse. Most men fail in doing this and only do damage to the body.

Having practiced the sexual Tao for many years it is not easier for women, it is that woman discipline themselves more willingly in order to practice the Tao since they have the intuitive knowledge that there is more to sex than the normal variety! When men discipline themselves in order to experience sacred higher sex they always revere these techniques and never look back in my experience. The tao was my path of choice and I would say very easy to learn just requires that you get out of the lower frequencies. Most men are directed into this higher sex by women who, having asked hundreds during my work, are never really satisfied by so called 'normal' sexual activity when they are asked. Women naturally are capable of making love for many hours and long for a man to be able to dance with them in ecstacy without the petit mort, which many call the flagging after ejaculation.

[phillipbbg]

For those that need to increase there life source,her is a simple statement:
" real power is all around them, not being able to tell them: "Come on, take me, don't you see that I am here, all around you"

[bearcow]

<snip>


celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

tantric sex only works in the long run if the sexual charge is skillfully exchanged between male and female and the interplay of yin and yang are creatively used between partners as a path of dual cultivation.
It is a valid path of development, but most people do not have enough control over the energy body, to practice successfully. It is a easier path for women than men, as a male's sexual organ is designed for jing to escape and impregnate, while a women's is more receptive and encapsulates the energy more naturally. For a man to practice successfully on this path, he must not ejaculate, and gain control of the lower yin gates so no or little chi escapes during intercourse. Most men fail in doing this and only do damage to the body.

Having practiced the sexual Tao for many years it is not easier for women, it is that woman discipline themselves more willingly in order to practice the Tao since they have the intuitive knowledge that there is more to sex than the normal variety! When men discipline themselves in order to experience sacred higher sex they always revere these techniques and never look back in my experience. The tao was my path of choice and I would say very easy to learn just requires that you get out of the lower frequencies. Most men are directed into this higher sex by women who, having asked hundreds during my work, are never really satisfied by so called 'normal' sexual activity when they are asked. Women naturally are capable of making love for many hours and long for a man to be able to dance with them in ecstacy without the petit mort, which many call the flagging after ejaculation.

may i inquire as to the source of your methods, ie who taught you?

sorry don't wish to derail this thread but i feel there are important points and concepts that have value to the forum along this line of thought. perhaps these posts should be turned into a new thread.

[agentofchange]

<snip>


celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

tantric sex only works in the long run if the sexual charge is skillfully exchanged between male and female and the interplay of yin and yang are creatively used between partners as a path of dual cultivation.
It is a valid path of development, but most people do not have enough control over the energy body, to practice successfully. It is a easier path for women than men, as a male's sexual organ is designed for jing to escape and impregnate, while a women's is more receptive and encapsulates the energy more naturally. For a man to practice successfully on this path, he must not ejaculate, and gain control of the lower yin gates so no or little chi escapes during intercourse. Most men fail in doing this and only do damage to the body.

Having practiced the sexual Tao for many years it is not easier for women, it is that woman discipline themselves more willingly in order to practice the Tao since they have the intuitive knowledge that there is more to sex than the normal variety! When men discipline themselves in order to experience sacred higher sex they always revere these techniques and never look back in my experience. The tao was my path of choice and I would say very easy to learn just requires that you get out of the lower frequencies. Most men are directed into this higher sex by women who, having asked hundreds during my work, are never really satisfied by so called 'normal' sexual activity when they are asked. Women naturally are capable of making love for many hours and long for a man to be able to dance with them in ecstacy without the petit mort, which many call the flagging after ejaculation.

may i inquire as to the source of your methods, ie who taught you?

sorry don't wish to derail this thread but i feel there are important points and concepts that have value to the forum along this line of thought. perhaps these posts should be turned into a new thread.

Mantak Chia - Master Taoist - Books and workshops are your best resource - Both men and women need both books to understand the process and help each other - "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" and "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy" . There are also other good books like "Multi Orgasmic Couple", and Taoist massage books. The books will give you everything you need, I never managed to go on a workshop myself. Namaste

[Redtailhawk]

Hi all,

I'm catching up on things and currently watching the interview of Inelia, which I am half way through. I am very inspired by her message, and I use the word inspire specifically to mean activating the Spirit within me, because that it what she is doing.

I've also taken a closer look at Inelia's website http://ascension101.com/ and there is a vast amount of highly spiritually evolved information there that when I was reading some of it, I began to cry as I was triggered on such a deep level.

At this past International UFO Conference, Kerry invited me to dinner with her, Bob Dean, Bill, and Inelia. It was a lovely time. The 5 of us sat at a big round table and Inelia was to my left and Bob was to my right. I felt a strong draw towards Inelia, there was something special and unique about her, but she was quiet and Bob was the center of our attention, so we didn't say much, yet I felt a powerful exchange.

What I am feeling now, is that I was supposed to have that exchange with Inelia, which was completely organic and spontaneous, but subtle.

I wonder if it were not for "Charles" would Inelia still have received the message from Spirit to look in to "Bill" and "Avalon"? Perhaps, the signal would not have been great enough for perception had we not been generating so much energy via good ol' Charlie? Just a theory, but I just want to extend a personal thank you to Inelia because you are a very rare gift in our world, and I know that those who seek you will find you.

With appreciation and love,
Maria

[bearcow]

<snip>


celibacy is practiced so you can transmute your primal life force into a more refined state of matter in order to gain awareness of higher realms. if you spend your life force on worldly pleasures, there will be no excess energy left to fuel the higher awareness. This is what Taoists call refining jing (primordial life essence) into shen (spirit). You do not have to be 100% celibate for this process to unfold, it varies based on the amount of yuan chi you started out with, and your overall level of physical health.

It appears to be a "consideration". This is not a world wide belief or practice. If it was, then tantric sex wouldn't work. It does.

tantric sex only works in the long run if the sexual charge is skillfully exchanged between male and female and the interplay of yin and yang are creatively used between partners as a path of dual cultivation.
It is a valid path of development, but most people do not have enough control over the energy body, to practice successfully. It is a easier path for women than men, as a male's sexual organ is designed for jing to escape and impregnate, while a women's is more receptive and encapsulates the energy more naturally. For a man to practice successfully on this path, he must not ejaculate, and gain control of the lower yin gates so no or little chi escapes during intercourse. Most men fail in doing this and only do damage to the body.

Having practiced the sexual Tao for many years it is not easier for women, it is that woman discipline themselves more willingly in order to practice the Tao since they have the intuitive knowledge that there is more to sex than the normal variety! When men discipline themselves in order to experience sacred higher sex they always revere these techniques and never look back in my experience. The tao was my path of choice and I would say very easy to learn just requires that you get out of the lower frequencies. Most men are directed into this higher sex by women who, having asked hundreds during my work, are never really satisfied by so called 'normal' sexual activity when they are asked. Women naturally are capable of making love for many hours and long for a man to be able to dance with them in ecstacy without the petit mort, which many call the flagging after ejaculation.

may i inquire as to the source of your methods, ie who taught you?

sorry don't wish to derail this thread but i feel there are important points and concepts that have value to the forum along this line of thought. perhaps these posts should be turned into a new thread.

Mantak Chia - Master Taoist - Books and workshops are your best resource - Both men and women need both books to understand the process and help each other - "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" and "Taoist Secrets of Love: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy" . There are also other good books like "Multi Orgasmic Couple", and Taoist massage books. The books will give you everything you need, I never managed to go on a workshop myself. Namaste




as everybody knows, when the 2 opposing polarities male female combine, life can be created. In sexual union there is a psychic charge created in the lower points/chakras of the body. Through breathing techniques the creative force can be moved to enliven the points or chakras in the head, heart or any other vortex in the body that you choose. This can be used a a method to gain higher awareness/expand consciousness. However, in the energy body, particularly for men, that energy wants to escape outside the body, and if it does the total energy potentiality of the body drops.

lets say in your tantric practice with your partner you develop a charge worth 5 units of energy in the lower chakras, and you are able to raise 1 unit of that energy to your third eye, thus temporarily raising the overall energetic charge in that area. I say temporarily, because once you have discharged from the lower points, ie orgasm, the energy level in the lower points/chakras will be lower than before you started the whole process. The body will try to rectify this and will take any excess energy in the system, ie the extra energy in the third eye and redistribute it in order to give the body enough energy to sustain basic functions.

There are a lot of variants and other variables in this process but the basic result is that you wont build up enough energy to sustain higher awareness if the process is not controlled skillfully. In order to practice successfully, the points in the lower body associated with the sexual charge must be closed, or at least as little energy as possible escapes through them so a total positive gain is accumulated through the sexual exchange.

For a woman menstruation is the primary problem to be overcome. it is the sheng chi that creates the emotional pressure within a woman that needs to be controlled during the menstrual cycle, and for men the sheng chi is the force that creates the erection. both must be controlled and re-circulated within the body.
Ie, men need to limit sexual activity, while women need to control their emotional outbursts.

If the magnetic force in the lower field is strong enough that you can drink water with your genitals, you have reversed the flow enough to be assured that what you gain is not offset by what you lose. some yogis take this practice to such a level as they can suck their genitals inside the body cavity itself.

As for mantak chia he is not a legitimate master, his master died before he was given full transmission and he did not complete the training. Some of the techniques in his books are legitimate but if the magnetic force in lower field is not stabilized before engaging in sexual practices, the likely results will only be fleeting and will not yield lasting results.

[fifi]

Questions and Answers
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/06/inelia-benz-i-do-nothing-myself/



Folks continue to want information on Inelia. Here are a number of questions and their answers on a most unusual individual from her blogsite.
After all these years of working quietly and invisibly, why have you now decided to go public with all this information?
I’ve always followed by intuition, my ‘Guides’, Source, and my ‘Higher Self’ – a “group” I call our ‘Entourage’. On January 2010, I received a request by my Entourage to go public – become a public figure.

At the time, and even now, I did not know why this was requested, and I did not know how to go about it.

I decided to accept the new assignment, rolled up my sleeves and began to research how to go about it. A few days later I set up www.ascension101.com.

Throughout my life, I’ve always followed this guidance process without question. This was no exception. I knew what I had to do. It always works out.

You mentioned that choosing your ‘assignments’ (or, ‘missions’ or ‘targets’) is not your own decision. Can you say more about the source that provides you with this guidance? How does this reach you?
The information reaches me by various means. Sometimes it’s very clear.

For example, in early January 2011 I woke up one morning with the words ‘Bill’ and ‘Avalon’ in my mind, simply but clearly, and that was all. I Googled the terms, and quickly found Bill Ryan from Project Avalon. At this point, all I could do was to join his forum and let him know I existed. Due to the laws of this particular reality, the person who has been assigned to me has to make contact with me him- or herself. All I can do is let them know I am there.

On other occasions, the guidance is more subtle and consists of observed correlations and synchronicities that reach me as messages in symbolic form. I’ve learned to decode this ‘language’ for my own use and that, too, always works out.

Going back to Bill Ryan’s example, in this particular case it was more than an assignment. We soon found out we had much in common, and had the same goal, so we decided to team up and start working together on the public arena.

Do your assignments have any common denominator? When did you first realize that you were being given assignments? Do you ever turn down any assignments, or decide not to proceed?
The common denominator (although sometimes the exact process is only clear after the event) is that my taking on the assignments has a contributory effect on raising the vibration of the planet and the human race. Sometimes the effect is large, and sometimes smaller, but it’s always there.

I realized that this was happening when I was quite a young child.

I do have the choice to turn down an assignment. But if I do say NO, then things usually go badly wrong in some way. And it is not a pleasant thing to watch someone’s life go terribly wrong when my presence might have made a difference in the outcome of their mission or situation.

Of course, there are also situations where a person, or myself, want a specific outcome to a situation. But they have not been assigned to me by Source. In this case, there is absolutely nothing that can be done.

The reason is that, in fact, I DO NOTHING myself. I simply provide the focus or presence for Source to come through and do its job. Why is that necessary? Because there are situations where people, for example, are being attacked from all sides, and need some support. And others where the person themselves has a block or disconnect from Source, that has them stuck in a certain situation. Other situations require a skill that I have developed, or not lost in this life journey, and can be learned by them to help them achieve something.

Why does the source of your information or guidance want to ‘raise this planet’s vibration’? Can you say more about what this means?
This is a good question. I have no personal attachment to the planet (although I think she is absolutely beautiful both physically and as a sentient being). Nor do I have a particular attachment to the human collective. But, I have known from the beginning that the vibrational level had to be raised. I had no vocabulary or learning to translate this knowing as a child and young adult. I have simply known that it is what needs to be done.

The reasons why were not relevant to me. But due to others’ inquiring minds, I have had to look at that question myself.

What I found out, was that the planet and human collective are ready to “graduate” into a higher awareness field. But there are many factors and agendas which have been intending to trick, trap and enslave humanity and the planet. My job (and that of very many others) is to counter those.

When you say ‘shift’, what do you mean exactly? Timeline shift, vibrational shift… can you elaborate?
Timeline shift and vibrational shift are closely related.

The word refers to a change in direction, a period of time/space that has a huge potential for growth. If it is sabotaged, huge destruction can ensue. If it is supported, there are no limits to how much expansion of awareness and experience can be achieved.

Certain individuals have said to me things like, “without suffering there is no growth,” or, “without evil we would not know love”. My answer is, suffering and evil only limit the full range of experience a being can have. It is like keeping an elephant in a tiny little cage (yes, he is suffering and in darkness), but what is existence like in comparison to his wild counterparts in the planes of Africa?

But, there are organizations and beings on this planet who want humans to really, really believe they are having a good learning experience here. One where they have to pay to live on their own planet, or die.

Pain – yes, pain is part and parcel of a physical experience, but not suffering (the holding on of pain past the incident which caused it).

However, my job is not to convince people or tell them they are wrong to believe that by suffering they will reach heaven. I would love for them to see the other side of the coin, and it pains me to see them closing their own jail doors, but they are not my main concern. My main concern is that of putting out tools and information, and energy, which those individuals who are ready, and resonate with them, will use.

How can I assist you in this mission? I have the strong feeling I watched your video for a reason. It felt like you were talking directly to me… I’d love to help.
Start to do what you came here to do. There are almost as many variants on missions are there are people. You’ll know when you touch the right purpose when you start feeling highly energized by it each time you allow yourself to think about it. You will feel a sense of joy and excitement when you think of it. Also, take a look at the collective work I’m involved with. See how you can join in and help out. Register for my and Bill Ryan’s newsletter at http://bill.inelia.com. We will most certainly be keeping you informed on what can be done.

Also, process your fears, and other negative energy structures in your body and subtle bodies, such as negative memories, thoughts, guilt, anger – go in there and process them. Suppressing them will make them stronger. And analyzing rarely brings resolution.

You said that anyone can develop these abilities, and use them responsibly. I understand that! But how can I learn to do this?
It’s not the abilities that are important. It’s our connection with spirit, with who we are. There are MANY practices which support that.

Start meditating, processing negativity, and looking outward to how you can improve the planet at a very direct level, either energetically or physically.

What are the most effective vehicles that you know of for personal growth and spiritual development?
Each person has to do their own research and do a practice that resonates with him or her. On www.ascension101.com you will find a ton of tools and articles that are very simple and effective. Whenever I find or download a new tool, I will post it there. Use those if they resonate with you. I always suggest that if you are in introvert, to do a formal type of meditation practice, and if you are an extrovert, to do something such as yoga, exercise, dancing, singing, or have deep conversations with people of like mind.

There are so many problems, events, people and situations that demand our focus, our attention. Could you please help us decide where our focus should be? What advice would you give an intelligent young person who wants to know everything and has no clue why he is alive on Planet Earth?
Follow your own counsel. Each person’s focus may be different. You each have different purposes. You can get a clue about your own personal purpose from what makes you energized and excited. When something resonates within you, you will now. Your body will also tell you what to pay attention to by giving you goosebumps, or cold/hot shivers, twitches, tummy rumblings (like really loud ones!) and your heart will beat so much faster.

I’m feeling rather emotional and upset after watching the video. But I loved what you are saying. It seems to have started me feeling things and thinking about stuff that I just can’t stop. Is this a problem? What should I do?
If you are upset, look in your body right now and see if you can find that upset feeling. Once you do, simply look at it for a few minutes. Just look at it. After a while, when you sense it, or see it, clearly, ask it for information. It might, or might not express something in the form of memories, thoughts, images, feelings or words. After that, ask it if it is yours, your body’s or from something/someone else. Then ask yourself if you are ready to release it.

It might take a few sessions to get release it back to Source, and free it completely, or it might go as soon as you look at it.

With regard to thoughts, thank the thoughts as they come and release them. It also helps to write them down, or record them. Just to get them out of the system. They might contain important clues that are relevant to your own life, whether they are blockages or insights.

Can you say more about the possible future timelines for Planet Earth? You never mentioned any wars, disasters or catastrophes that many people are worried about. Can we relax, knowing that those things won’t happen?
Yes, I recently had an exchange with a friend online about this. At a very 3D experience level, we choose what we experience and who we experience it with. Even in a typical city you will see areas, neighborhoods, where a person can walk freely and safely day and night, and others where they will be attacked or killed, even during the day, for being the wrong color or having what others want. These are separate timeline experiences. A person can go their entire life feeling and knowing and experiencing this planet as the safest, most beautiful and most enjoyable experience they have had. For another, same time, same planet, it will be a living hell.

Now, with regard the separation of experience during and after this shift. This will not happen all of the sudden for the entire planet at once. Mostly, it will be a very gradual moving into more awareness, and those who choose not to advance into that awareness will be dying off naturally when their time comes and simply not be born on this planet again. Many lightworkers have taken their exit. They are dropping all over the planet, because they can now rest. At the same time, millions of babies are being born who are highly aware and awake.

For others, and this is has been happening all over the world for hundreds of years, they are meeting with end-of-the-world scenarios as they die. Japan has a death toll of over 20,000 so far from the March 2011 tsunami, and it is expected to rise. They will also have many people dying of radiation sickness in the next few decades. They had suffered radiation on a large scale before, at the end of WWII. For those people who died, the end of the world came and went. But even in the worst hit areas, there are people who survived “miraculously”! It was not their time. They did not agree with the end-of-the-world scenario.

So, for example: you and a relative who is not awake or aware. You will both have a “relative” in the timeline you are on, unless one of you exits via death. But, as we move into a more aware and empowering level ourselves, we automatically move them too. Especially if we address them directly at their Higher Level self, and request that their 3D awakens. When and if you both reach old age and have a peaceful death, one of you might very well decide to continue on Earth in Her higher vibrational level, and the other might decide to move on to an alternative lower level (3D) planet to continue to have that experience.

You state in an interview that “it’s possible to change the past”. That seems very significant! Why aren’t you going back in time to fix the problems we have now before they happen? You say that you have to be careful NOT to do that. I don’t understand why. Can you explain?
Well, the same question applies to “fixing the present”. There are so many injustices and problems going on, on the planet right now, and, believe it or not, I did ask this very same question to “Source”. And the answer was that this level of the “game” or “shared reality” has many players, and what we are experiencing now is a direct result of that free will (or manipulated free will). If I were to go into the past, or the present, or future, and “fix” things according to what “I think is right”, or what someone else thinks is right, then that would be a huge violation of free will and agreement of experience on the planet right now. I exist here on a limited human experience too, and would filter any “right” or “wrong” according to that experience. Not a good idea to go around meddling in other people’s affairs without their consent. Plus, even if I was asked to go and fix someone, by them, that disempowers him or her. They would be at “effect” of what is “being done to them”, which they could not then replicate or improve on.

I can, however, give people the tools and information that will allow them to go and fix their own lives, both present, past and future. That takes into account their free will, and it also empowers them to create their own reality.

Has the timeline has changed since you were a child, and if so, what were the main ‘tipping points’ when things really altered their direction?
The timeline we are on as a collective has changed. Or perhaps I should rephrase that, and say that the timeline I am in at this moment has made a major move collectively toward a more positive future. There have been, and there continue to be, movements toward a higher vibration. As to tipping points, I can only identify a major one that happened last summer, June 2010. At that moment, Gaia became fully conscious, aware and reconnected to the planet and the collective. Now, the work that has been done in the background by thousands of people to liberate her from the clutches of the elite is too numerous to list. But it did happen, and it happened last summer.

By having achieved this, we basically turned the tide, as it were. This planet is ascending [my definition of 'Ascension' is 'The Expansion of Awareness'] – and there is nothing which will stop it. The elite are doing all they can to stop as many humans from becoming awake and aware through mass fear, illusion of control, illusion of lack and illusion of the “power and authority of those who have money”, but they cannot stop the tide.

How many timelines are there? As in: a limited number… or an infinite number?
There are an infinite amount of timelines, but we (the singularity reading these words) are not in all of them. [I define 'singularity' as 'the sense of being an individual being with an ego'.] And some are so very different to what we are here to experience that we wouldn’t even be able to recognize ourselves in them.

You say that you’re here to make sure that the “game is played fairly and according to the rules”. What are the “rules of the game”?
There are many rules pertaining to the “game” being played on this planet at present time. Too many to list. However, there are some which are very interesting and important. Mostly because the elite know these rules and the masses don’t, which give the elite an advantage.

One of them, is that everything we experience in the 3D has to be “agreed” by us as individual singularities. This goes to the most basic concepts, for example the “agreement” of what we call the “color blue”. We all look at the color blue and say it is blue, but we have no way to know if our subjective experience of the color blue is identical to someone else. So, what we experience in our inner experience of the outside world as “blue”, might be what someone else experiences in their subjective inner world as “yellow”.

We also agree on other levels, such as, linear time, for example. But linear time is an illusion and a trap. We can, actually, move in and out of linear time at will, but then if everyone on the planet realized and did this, the elite would find it extremely difficult to control the masses.

Another agreed reality is that things are solid. That our bodies are solid, the ground is solid, walls are solid, all things are solid. We need that agreement in order to function in the 3D. However, the level of “solidity” is becoming less and less as we move into a higher awareness, and our bodies, our environments, become pliable. We are then able to manifest all sorts of things, and change our lives for the better.

Do you have contact with others like yourself who are here right now as humans? How many of them are there? Do they all have the same ‘job’?
I have always been able to “sense” that there are others on the planet, on this same timeline, who are exactly as I am. Some didn’t make it, some did. The same “job”, definitely, to raise the level of vibration of the planet. Now, how they are executing that job, is probably totally different. And no, I have not had any personal contact with them.

Some people might think you’re here to be a leader, or a teacher, or a guru of some kind. What do I say to my friends who think that you’re trying to attract followers to some kind of cult?

A cult leader will always create a co-dependent relationship with his or her followers. He or she doesn’t empower others so they can be independent because this would leave them follower-less. My aim is to become completely unnecessary at a global and personal scale. Individuals will often come to me and ask me to heal them or fix some problem they are having. What I do in those circumstances is to point them in the right direction, or show them an exercise that they can do that will allow them to fix the problem.

As to trying to attract followers, everything I have to say is available on the internet. People are free to “follow” me on Twitter if they like, to hear the latest adventures and discoveries I am involved in, but as to them following me personally, or me creating a cult to “take care of them”, that’s not going to happen. It goes against everything I teach. As to being a teacher, the role of a good teacher is to empower the student to become much more able and experienced than the teacher him- or herself The role of the student is to become better than the teacher, take those teachings and develop them beyond anything the teacher was able to do. And surpass the teacher in all skills and knowing. If I can accomplish that, then I’ll be able to call myself a teacher.

My friends are skeptical of the things you say you can do. Are you willing to demonstrate them?
There has been a lot of attention placed on the “abilities” that I have. With regard to demonstrating them, the ones that I am using at the moment only make their appearence when they are needed for a particular situation or mission. Mostly I don’t know what is going to happen until it does. In the past, yes, they would manifest to “prove” to people what I could do, and to tell you the truth it didn’t help one bit. The only gift I am willing to claim, and I have plently of documented proof for its effectiveness, is my ability to inspire and empower others to raise their own vibration and expand their own awareness.

The party entertainment, such as moving things around, etc., are no longer available at will, but if they come back I have no problem entertaining people with them. For the time being, I suggest, if this is something that really interests you, to visit Uri Geller’s website and shows. He’s very talented and can do these things at will.

Can you describe some of what you see when you travel out into the universe?
Recently a friend and I shared a bi-locational journey. We went to a sector of the universe where sentient life is an expanse of tiny dots of energy, like a huge cloud, that hangs in space. It is absolutely wonderful to hang out with them, and they are very accommodating.

Mostly, like I suggest to others, I hang out between the Sun and Earth, taking in the sun’s energy and staying out of the dark energy which is so prominent on the planet at the moment (even though it is much less than it used to be, it is still too thick for comfort). This allows for the “soul” to cleanse and become more “able” on this planet. Anyone can do this. Start with imagining that you are there, simply an exercise in imagination. It will have fantastic results.

I know that many who have experienced OBEs (out-of-the-body experiences) have reported that they had 360 visual perception. But for anyone who’s not experienced this, it’s really hard to imagine. Can you describe this in more detail?

Well, it is like the sight you have now. Exactly the same. But instead of it ending at the edge of your left and right, or up and down, peripheral vision, it continues on and has no edges. It is exactly the same. However, one can still see when one’s eyes are covered up or closed. Sometimes, in OBEs, the person sees only blackness, this is because they know their eyes are closed, and feel that they mustn’t see anything. As soon as the belief is identified, they can see again. It happened to me once, and all I did at the time was to “imagine” that I had opened my astral eyes. It amused me that I was falling into the agreed reality even at an astral level and made a note to watch that.

[Michelle Marie]

A friend of mine sent me an email with a link to the Anelia interview video. This inspired me to join this forum, although I'd been watching Project Camelot and Project Avalon interviews for years. Not long ago (months before knowing about Anelia) I had a communication with a future self about being successful in my mission in life (raising consciousness through my work as author/teacher/spiritual education program developer & facilitator). She informed me that she was pulling me forward toward success. I have had assignments and also trainings to perform my duties here in regards to my mission. Anyway, so much resonated with me about Anelia's experiences in her interview, I was inspired to join the forum. One other similarity was a clear memory of when I was a child making a soul call saying "I want to go home" even though I was at my house at the time, this was about leaving the planet! My sense was that this planet was just too uncivilized...I could hardly believe it! I had a consciousness exchange that I remember clearly that reminded me of my commitment to help.

It seems that now is the time to unite with those we are supposed to cooperate with for the next phase. My perceptions have been very deep and clear and synchronicities coincide with them quite naturally. This is the time for all of us with a clear mission to really get out in the world and do it. Before, it was not time. Now, it is definitely time. Because it IS time, things will get much easier. I don't mean things will get easier on the planet, on the contrary. It will be easier to perform our missions, though, because more people are ready to shift. The main thing is to help empower people to help keep them out of fear. We have to meet people where they are at, and guide them from there, WHEN they are receptive and ask for assistance. That way we don't interfere with free will choice.

It seems appropriate that my first post be on the Anelia thread since her and Bill's interview was what inspired me to join. I appreciate all of you and the communication that will serve to strengthen our unity.

We are being organized organically. I can see it with my intuitive eye of perception.

[Yoda]

A friend of mine sent me an email with a link to the Anelia interview video. This inspired me to join this forum, although I'd been watching Project Camelot and Project Avalon interviews for years. Not long ago (months before knowing about Anelia) I had a communication with a future self about being successful in my mission in life (raising consciousness through my work as author/teacher/spiritual education program developer & facilitator). She informed me that she was pulling me forward toward success. I have had assignments and also trainings to perform my duties here in regards to my mission. Anyway, so much resonated with me about Anelia's experiences in her interview, I was inspired to join the forum. One other similarity was a clear memory of when I was a child making a soul call saying "I want to go home" even though I was at my house at the time, this was about leaving the planet! My sense was that this planet was just too uncivilized...I could hardly believe it! I had a consciousness exchange that I remember clearly that reminded me of my commitment to help.

It seems that now is the time to unite with those we are supposed to cooperate with for the next phase. My perceptions have been very deep and clear and synchronicities coincide with them quite naturally. This is the time for all of us with a clear mission to really get out in the world and do it. Before, it was not time. Now, it is definitely time. Because it IS time, things will get much easier. I don't mean things will get easier on the planet, on the contrary. It will be easier to perform our missions, though, because more people are ready to shift. The main thing is to help empower people to help keep them out of fear. We have to meet people where they are at, and guide them from there, WHEN they are receptive and ask for assistance. That way we don't interfere with free will choice.

It seems appropriate that my first post be on the Anelia thread since her and Bill's interview was what inspired me to join. I appreciate all of you and the communication that will serve to strengthen our unity.

We are being organized organically. I can see it with my intuitive eye of perception.

It feels so good, to have the support beings, step forward, and come on board.
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[ndroock1]

When I was reading this article http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/dna-can-be-influenced-and-reprogrammed-by-words-and-frequencies/ I had to think of Inelia. - Considering she is ( words fail to describe her but let me try ) 'special'. What interests me most is that she has no time-track. ( Presumably validated by Bill with his e-meter. ) Idelia's spirit was created prior to her birth. Scientists now think that the so-called 90% junk-DNA has a purpose after all.

To the point.

I think that Inelia's DNA may lead to gigantic steps forward in science and human kind in general. I ask Idelia to donate her DNA to science. Maybe that is her purpose after all here on Earth.

What do you think?

[OnyxKnight]

For those that need to increase there life source,her is a simple statement:
" real power is all around them, not being able to tell them: "Come on, take me, don't you see that I am here, all around you"

Sucking life energy from your surroundings?

[Anchor]

Sucking life energy from your surroundings?

Sort of, which of course, is not a problem when there is an infinite reservoir.

Its a creative process.

[OnyxKnight]

Sucking life energy from your surroundings?

Sort of, which of course, is not a problem when there is an infinite reservoir.

Its a creative process.

The same process was used by various wizards and druids too.

They kind of used the same words.

Only they did that on the expense of the environment and the living things in it.

Just because a self proclaimed spiritual teacher says its okay to do it, doesn't mean its really okay. Just saying.

[Anchor]

If the environment of things that already exist is damaged, then no its not what I meant at all.

One can bring in energy from around you but the idea is not to try to get it from things that already exist, you get it from that which does not yet exist, but it is around you. I would use the term, infinite intelligent energy - unmanifest.

I hope that clarifies my meaning. If not I will have a try tomorrow.

[nomadguy]

Here I am making an attempt to think this out with you all,
to think about the idea of ~ sucking energy from all around you ~
then in a way the "sucking" is merely moving energy around.
For the one whom sucks the universes energy IS the universe too,
so one thing seems to take energy from another thing and give it the same universe being the fed being, only it is a different focal point(or living point of view) ~in another skin suite perhaps.
The idea that one being is taking from something else says that maybe a being is thinking that it is somehow separate from the other. And it is not. The universal source energy of the fed is the same as the that of the feeder. So
It is a sharing event either way, the difference is how you think.

[OnyxKnight]

Here I am making an attempt to think this out with you all,
to think about the idea of ~ sucking energy from all around you ~
then in a way the "sucking" is merely moving energy around.
For the one whom sucks the universes energy IS the universe too,
so one thing seems to take energy from another thing and give it the same universe being the fed being, only it is a different focal point(or living point of view) ~in another skin suite perhaps.
The idea that one being is taking from something else says that maybe a being is thinking that it is somehow separate from the other. And it is not. The universal source energy of the fed is the same as the that of the feeder. So
It is a sharing event either way, the difference is how you think.

Apply this philosophy of yours in a situation where one being kills another. A human kills another human. Its just a transfer of energy, right? Nothing lost nothing gained, just change of states.

.... right?

[Anchor]

Here I am making an attempt to think this out with you all,
to think about the idea of ~ sucking energy from all around you ~
then in a way the "sucking" is merely moving energy around.
For the one whom sucks the universes energy IS the universe too,
so one thing seems to take energy from another thing and give it the same universe being the fed being, only it is a different focal point(or living point of view) ~in another skin suite perhaps.
The idea that one being is taking from something else says that maybe a being is thinking that it is somehow separate from the other. And it is not. The universal source energy of the fed is the same as the that of the feeder. So
It is a sharing event either way, the difference is how you think.

It is not a zero sum game. You have to factor in the infinite nature of the playing field.

[nomadguy]

Here I am making an attempt to think this out with you all,
to think about the idea of ~ sucking energy from all around you ~
then in a way the "sucking" is merely moving energy around.
For the one whom sucks the universes energy IS the universe too,
so one thing seems to take energy from another thing and give it the same universe being the fed being, only it is a different focal point(or living point of view) ~in another skin suite perhaps.
The idea that one being is taking from something else says that maybe a being is thinking that it is somehow separate from the other. And it is not. The universal source energy of the fed is the same as the that of the feeder. So
It is a sharing event either way, the difference is how you think.

Apply this philosophy of yours in a situation where one being kills another. A human kills another human. Its just a transfer of energy, right? Nothing lost nothing gained, just change of states.

.... right?

yea sure, but your described outcome does not respect either "being's" choice nor does it support an interesting voyage here. Which seem to be the point ~mostly. But ya know opinions vary.
What is the point in adding violence to this conversation?

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Here I am making an attempt to think this out with you all,
to think about the idea of ~ sucking energy from all around you ~
then in a way the "sucking" is merely moving energy around.
For the one whom sucks the universes energy IS the universe too,
so one thing seems to take energy from another thing and give it the same universe being the fed being, only it is a different focal point(or living point of view) ~in another skin suite perhaps.
The idea that one being is taking from something else says that maybe a being is thinking that it is somehow separate from the other. And it is not. The universal source energy of the fed is the same as the that of the feeder. So
It is a sharing event either way, the difference is how you think.

It is not a zero sum game. You have to factor in the infinite nature of the playing field.


yes indeed, I had not yet mentioned choice and the ambition we all share to thrive. or to have an interesting life, or however you may term it etc.

[Michelle Marie]

In terms of accessing energy, here is another perspective:

In James Redfield's non-fiction book "The Celestine Vision" he mentions different ways that people create drama to, in effect, get energy from other people. He wrote this from a perspective of his experience of being a psychologist and the psychological games people play. They don't even necessarily realize they are doing it to get energy. There are also psychic vampires, who are masters at this. Some may be narcissistic, or they may be master manipulators. Some may "push your buttons" or "get your goat" or otherwise disturb your peace and get you flustered, or angry, or emotional.

By staying connected to Source, one does not need to steal any one else's energy. You get an infinite supply. Source is within.

You can look up information on psychic vampires. Here is one YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChjyzpgoTtA

This is good information to understand when learning how to master your life energy. We must draw boundaries or step away from unhealthy relationships. I think dealing with this may be part of our initiation process. I know I've had my bouts with dealing with this. I've learned to recognize these patterns and stay protected or deal with it using consciousness skills.

[Camilo]

Looking forward to the amazing and inspirational opportunity to meet the both of you in person, and spend a couple of days with you, interacting in harmony, light, love and wisdom.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I think I mentioned before about the secret is finding the source, which is the brightest light your spirit has ever seen.

just thinking of it connects you and gives you an unlimited source of power...

the Pyramids were massive capacitors, and for those who understand it can use that as a source also.

so much is unknown, but fear of ever running out of light has never crossed my mind, it isn't like oil which is limited...

[Sesan]

Having just recently returned to Avalon after having decided to distance myself from all the negative energy created from the 'Charles' material, I am delighted to have returned, having just finished watching the Inelia interview. The positive energy that this amazing conversation exibits is exactly what I have been searching for. This inspirational and heart warming exchange between Bill and Inelia produced such a tangible feeling of positive energy for me, that it really felt as if she were sitting in my own living room talking directly to me. Well maybe she was! Simply amazing.

In such a troubling and trying time in our history, this interview is simply food for the spirit!

Fantastic work Bill! You are a Warrior!

It's good to be back.

[Orange]

Inelia could you confirm for me if Satan/lucifer is back in this plane of eixstence? Or has he disappeared?
Just i've been informed he is back and the only person I know and trust to know if this is true, is you.
A simple yes he's back or no he isn't will do :)
thankyou for Reading have a nice day! :)

[cloudno7]

This might completely out of context here but i have to write this.... there seems to be a lot of information and disinformation and its hard figure out which is what. I have been closely following Camelot & Avalon for the last 3 years, but yet to come to a solid conclusion that "what exactly is happening in this world?"

Working on thermodynamics and trying to understand Entropy/Randomness is one thing and To understand people is completely another level. It is a crazy universe!!!! No idea why atoms or quraks what ever are behaving so weirdly. Nevertheless i continue to explore :)

[RoseGirl]

I would just like to say 'thank you' to Inelia. I was profoundly affected by her video interview and have had several intense 'dream like' experiences with her since viewing it. Also, during these experiences a tag I have been trying to get rid of since my early teen years has -- after a brief moment of pain -- now been resolved. Thank you Inelia, thank you. My mission feels clearer now.

Also, did anyone else see the hard work she was performing in that interview...or was it just me? I saw many bi-locations taking place. Just wondering.

Sincerely,
RoseGirl

[Unified Serenity]

Wow, I come back to this thread and see a change of topic to tantric, Tau, and energy sex. My experience in regards to sacred sexual energy is very different than what I have read here. It matters not whether you connect with a male or a female energetically. When I had my transformative experience in 1995 it didn't matter who I interacted with online particularly that energy flowed from me. It was not my intent to sexually turn anyone on, but the result was the same nevertheless. I had experienced divine union (I still do whenever I go into that area of meditation) and the energy / love that poured forth to me from that source altered me forever. I have a long way to go in my own personal spiritual development as I still am impatient with some people and situations, my anger will get sparked on occaision, and I can still feel fear though I am quick to notice it and seek to rebalance quickly. Back to the sexual aspect though. I had good friends confess to me that while chatting online with me they had orgasms they could not control. They were not doing anything physical to affect themselves. They just had the spontaneouse physical and spiritual orgasm that affected their whole being. It was just me connecting with them energetically. It didn't matter where they were in the world. If we were in conversation and I connected with them it just happened. I have since learned to moderate the energy so some degree, but there is still this sexual aspect to it. I don't talk about it, and I try to mute it, but people still feel it. To me it is way beyond the normal experience most people have when they orgasm. It is difficult to explain to someone who has never soul touched with someone like me. It's a very beautiful experience, but I can easily see where it could be abused and people could just be very carnal about it. I only soul touch with my partner now.

For a time, I would try to help people learn how to connect like that with the Divine. Some got it and some did not. The downside was many were convinced I was their soul mate despite my telling them ahead of time that this is what it is like to be one with the Divine in soul union. The best explanation I can give to people is there is a place within you that you connect to the divine source. Once you identify that place it's easier to go back. I can read people on various levels and if I go to that place then that energy connection is triggered. I avoid doing so now due to the complications that arise from it. Most people in my experience are just too carnal and it feels taudry and cheap rather than the beautiful experience it should be when done with a sacred intent. So many in our world would be changed forever and understand the beauty of each and every soul if they did experience this in the right circumstances, but I just haven't run across too many of those people in a long time. It's kind of sad for me to think of that because I do believe we are all one, but some of us can't get past the physical to truly get in touch with our divine spiritual self and sacred unity.

My prayer is that we each know that unity, share it in sacred respect and grow into the world we are meant to be.

Much love to each of you here,

Serenity

[ulli]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MagicalAlmanac/message/75

This article is exactly about what Serenity was saying.

[Star]

Hi Serenity,

I am a newbie here and enjoyed your post. I have not had that kind of experience but when I think of people I care about I feel this huge love feeling in the center of my chest. It is such a wonderful experience and others do not experience this. It does not have to do with romantic relationships but just those who I have a deep spiritual connection with. I just wonder if it is similar but just expresses itself through my heart chakra rather than the sexual chakra? Thank you for sharing. I never knew someone could have that kind of experience and affect another person via the internet unless they were lovers and using language that would lead to such an experience.

Sincerely,
Star

[Unified Serenity]

Hi Star,

I cannot say if it is the same experience. I do not feel it in my second chakra, but in my solar plexus. The first time I experienced this in 1995 it was staggering. It went on for hours and felt like both agony and ecstacy. My ribs hurt for several days, but it was a sweet pain if you understand. I could read people very well before this experience, but after this I could see their soul in the other dimension. I could tell where they had been injured. I also knew instantly if they were genuine or of false purposes. If they were seeking help for some area in their life that was very painful to deal with, I could see the root of that pain. Often it was a black tar like wound with a weapon in it. The weapon was usually like this barbed arrow often with a cord on it. Sometimes the cord wrapped around them several times or had other cords entering their soul body. Sometimes the chord went back to the sender like they were still able to send hurtful energy through it to the person I was dealing. When I would help them heal, I'd take out the weapon, remove the wounded substance and fill it with universal energy which is pure love. I never used my own energy cause they would be tied to me in some way and I did not want that either. Many healers use their own energy which can have detrimental effects for both the subject and the healer.

Universal energy surrounds us all the time. It is pure love and powerful beyond imagination. I see us in this 3d world often as these big gates stuck in this river of universal energy. The gate has these closed slats and if we just open them we will experience this energy and love. It can be overwhelming or gentle depending on how much you open to it. For me it is the source of life and it's how I do the healing work I do. I really am nothing but a conduit that guides that energy into a willing soul who is seeking something. Once you learn that connection it's there forever and you can go back anytime. One more thought also came to me. We are many members of one body. Your experience may just be another manifestation and feeling of that energy. Each of us has our mission and each of us interacts uniquely with that energy. I know when I interact it is the ultimate experience of unity and oneness. I feel their soul, I can meld with them, and we can know one another on a beautiful soul level realizing the incredible beauty of each other and every other soul in the universe. I hope this helps in some way.

Serenity

[Ernie Nemeth]

I had to add my own quick story to this.

Back in 2002, I began a yoga teacher's course, a one year yoga intensive training. By then I was already teaching yoga classes in my small town for over two years and had been involved in yoga for more than ten years.

During training (a few months into the course), we were instructed to follow another line of training to keep us balanced. I chose Kundalini.

I took one single class and had a monumental experience that very same night. I awoke in the middle of the night to the most exquisite sensation churning around the bottom of my spine. The feeling began running up my spine and I seriously thought I was about to die. It began running up and down and swirling in the energy centers of my body. I could only squeel and grunt as my body contorted to try and ease the mounting pressure. I was laughing and crying both at the same time. I cannot put into words the thoughts I had or the experience of love and utter acceptance that poured into me. It lasted about twenty minutes and then it was done. I was left exhausted and panting, but with a gigantic smile on my face as I drifted back to sleep.

I have never tried Kundalini since.

A week after that night of the uncoiling serpent, my life completely changed. I left my girlfriend of ten years, left the house, the car, the pets, the bank account, everything, and moved into a one bedroom apartment in the worst area of Toronto - with a new girlfriend. I saved her life, there's no doubt, and over the years I have facilitated a transformation of her entire family and their dynamics. My girlfriend's daughter now lives with us as she tries to cope with her demons. My girlfriend has made a miraculous recovery and her personality has blossomed into the sweet, gentle soul I always knew she was. She is my inspiration.

It has not been an easy nine years, I'll admit, but I do not regret it either. It has been extremely fulfilling as I have learned a lot about myself and my motivations. I have also learned a lot about unconditional love and about how much God loves me. And I have learned a great deal about what really matters in this life, and what does not.

This is the general thrust of the teachings I have been given: The Love of Source is limitless.

Thanks for this reminder, I needed it just now.

Peace

[Mark]

To the original topic of this posting, Inelia's interview was quite illuminating and I know I look forward to seeing more of her work in the future. An excellent decision Bill, to bring Inelia into greater focus as I believe her pespective will help many of us to determine exactly what it is we are doing here as well as who we are supposed to be during this particular journey around this sun.

[meredith]

I would like to second your gratitude -- I have been feeling discouraged lately and in an odd way, it made me feel better to know that even people like Inelia have their down moments. The German Shepard story was an excellent illustration too. I can bring myself to hold seemingly malevolent characters in the light when I think of them as acting from their pain.

Thank you Inelia for the empathetic, positive post, and thanks to all for the thought-provoking discussion that followed.

[Star]

Dear Serenity,

Sorry I did not get back sooner but with daily life and visiting so many other interesting threads it takes time, lol. I enjoyed your explanation and the time you took. I, in no way, have the ability to merge with everyone you work with. It is not even my calling. I only felt that way with a handful of people that I called "friends" but they were deeply spiritual people, or we had known each other in past lives and I was overwhelmed when it first happened because it felt so wonderful. My heart just had a feeling of Love I cannot even explain and many times when this would happen the person ended up calling just to say hello as they were thinking of me!

I do believe it is a small part of that same much vaster energy that you have connected with and have expanded it to the healing/helping profession in life. Perhaps we could work together in this area. You can pm me on this if you feel drawn to do so. I am happy that you are able also to contain and channel this powerful energy. So thank you for kindly responding to me and explaining more. I appreciate that.

Have a wonderful day.

Love & Light,
Star

[sirac]

Unified Serenity,
i find the things you say deeply fascinating,
its good that their are specialists amongst us dealing as you and Inelia do.

one Maxim from your two posts (above/ this page)
is when you insert your own energy and when you insert universal energy,....................{i find it useful to know we can choose to do both}

especially the first post, dealing with those things, initiating people on sexual paths (excuse my wording; most likely banal to you)
how do you ever find the soul space to say,.....this is the partner i want.

i just also wanted to be a little rude with your first post
orgasms orgasms orgasms........you probably mean they get high,
but then u probably a girl and that is your highest 'intake feeling' matrix.

I don't want to specialize as you do,
but i find some of the things you say useful to the universal tool set of tools any soul/ego/individual should have,
so I'd like to understand your regulation points on the things i listed above more closely,
(i can make a very long post, about how and where i am integrated with your energy mechanisms, but just trust that i am, and see if you can provide an answer on those)

[Unified Serenity]

Hello Sirac,

Thanks for the post. Wondering if there should be a new topic about this as it could be now viewed as off topic from the Inelia thread. Inelia is a very interesting woman who is sharing often through Bill what she has been doing. Sometimes I think word choices can cause confusion and disagreements or points that need clarifying come from semantics and how one percieves a particular message. I will answer your post to the best of my ability and if the mods want to start a new thread on this I'm happy to continue there.


one Maxim from your two posts (above/ this page)
is when you insert your own energy and when you insert universal energy,....................{i find it useful to know we can choose to do both}

I have known a lot of people who separate their energy from universal energy when working with others. Many healers who have not had the benefit of working with other healers will end up seeking help because of an energetic imbalance, fatigue, or other "odd" happenings. In massage school, we were taught to wash our hands after massage not just for the cleansing affect, but also to detach from the other person's energy because it's very difficult to do hands on healing like that and not use your own energy and pick up theirs as well. It was a quick visualization / meditation of continuing the healing work effects and washing their energy off of yourself and breaking any connections. I have helped other healers regain their balance and learn to tap into universal energy. All that I have helped have said how much easier and less taxing it was on themselves when they did it this way. Being a conduit is great because each person intrisically knows what they need and to just be that conduit let's it flow and removes ownership. Intention is wonderful and I will often still do that based on what the requests of the individual are.


especially the first post, dealing with those things, initiating people on sexual paths (excuse my wording; most likely banal to you)
how do you ever find the soul space to say,.....this is the partner i want.

That's a good question. I like to let things just flow, and allow who would come into my life to develop. I do not believe we have a soul mate as some teach. I do not really believe in a twin flame as one unique soul who we are meant to bond with in an advanced working. I have met people many times whom I instantly know will be important to me beyond a casual acquaintance / friend. That does not mean they are to be lovers, but will be important. I know that signal in my spirit when it happens and love those encounters. I do not know how long we will be in each other's physical lives, but I know the spirit connection and meeting was for a divine purpose. As for picking the partner I want, I am pretty simple really. I think all those I have been with for long periods (no I was not a one night stand kind of girl, never have been and never will be) were necessary, the first connection and being friends was paramount. I never was one to go looking for someone to be with. People came into my life and that's about it.


i just also wanted to be a little rude with your first post
orgasms orgasms orgasms........you probably mean they get high,
but then u probably a girl and that is your highest 'intake feeling' matrix.

Sex is powerful. There is no doubt about it that when two people join in that way it's powerful. It can been fleeting and mean nothing to them beyond the physical act and they go their own ways. Energetically though a connection is made and they both open up to each other's energetic fields and ties. When two people are attracted and decide they do have such feelings for each other, the ultimate expression of that intimacy is the sexual act. I think that most people would say that joining with someone you love sexually is the one of the biggest "wow" they've experienced and hold that as very special. If someone uses sex as an escape like a drug then it loses it's specialness and is no more special than having a great bowel movement when you haven't gone in a week or a glass of water when you truly are in need. There are a lot of physical experiences that are incredible like the first time I held my children, looking into their eyes and just being with them. That's a "wow" experience, but many cannot go there for various reasons and yet most on the forum have experienced that sexual union and orgasm. I find it humorous regarding people's reactions when you even mention orgasm. For that matter I'm sure there were some humorous energetic reads to be had on my statement above about a great bowel movement. This just shows how we have really tried to separate ourselves from our bodies and almost deny we fart, smell funny, urinate, deficate and yes have orgasms. We tend to shield ourselves from most everyone. We have a trust problem due to our experiences. We are careful whom we share our deepest thoughts with, our feelings, and hearts. Oh, especially our fragile hearts. But I would say those who build a thickness around their hearts do the most disservice to themselves. They choose to disconnect and view themselves as separate. The great "I" who is in control. And dear God help us if we have been truly hurt emotionally. We may never let another get that far into our hearts again which is so sad and a disservice to ourselves and fellow souls who really are probably just as hurt and need to feel loved. Just a simple sincere hug can bring tears to their eyes for they are like a parched person in a desert who gets a small taste of water. The truth is there is a supply of fresh water so abundant that if we did not lack and opened up without the FEAR of hurt I wonder how much better our world would be. I think that's what Jesus meant by living water that once you drink from it you will never thirst again. That is the universal energy and once anyone does experience it becomes so aware of how many are thirsting and stuck in their pain and hurt that they can't even reach out and ask for it. It is there and it's polite for the most part. I can say though that at times it almost feels like it's tapping me in the back and saying come and sup with me a while and be one again consciously. This reply is probably way more than you expected, but I'm flowing with it and will go on to the next part.


I don't want to specialize as you do,
but i find some of the things you say useful to the universal tool set of tools any soul/ego/individual should have,
so I'd like to understand your regulation points on the things i listed above more closely,
(i can make a very long post, about how and where i am integrated with your energy mechanisms, but just trust that i am, and see if you can provide an answer on those)

Hmmm, I never thought I specialized. I (when I am tuned in and not myopic) just go as I am led. I'm very empathic and try not to miss those times when spirit wants to work through me with another. It may be actively working as in they are aware of what I am doing or it could be as simple as a smile to a stranger that connects with spirit in them. It could be nothing but sensing the need and sending love and intention to them of wholeness or letting the energy just flow. I am not sure if I got into regulation points as you put it. If not, please be more specific. I'd love to read your integration into these energy mechanisms. Again, thanks for your reply and feel free to pm me. Well anyone can pm me and I am glad to have private discourse on this. I am on avalon a lot sometimes and not so much at other times. Right now, my father is in hospice care in my son's room. I am preparing to move to be more off the grid and may not have much time in the next few days as the move is very soon. My partner and I had to remodel a house over the last 3 weeks and basically I'm not 20 anymore and need some downtime, smiles.

Hugs to you and everyone here.

Serenity

[Tigressa]

Inelia, thank you for clarifying some wonderful things here on this thread. If you are still replying here to questions or anyone can direct me if this has been covered, I would like to ask: How do you explain famous and popular past life experiences. E.g. Cleopatra or Judas. Is this a form of remote viewing? Is it archetypal soul drama playing out? Could it be the body having a memory? Thank you for sharing.

[EileenCookies]

I've been mining this thread for a few days after hearing Inelia Benz's name. I too thought her video is one of the best out there (in our world) for information on the divine.

I am touched by her presence and perhaps I will get out my makeshift life one day and take one of her offered classes.
In the meantime, I was wondering, if she would produce more video's? Just asking her/Bill Ryan if that is possible? I did ask a friend of mine, who is very much into this material and is just getting to be a known presence in this new developing territory (called spiritual or metaphysical ...though in Inelia case perhaps magically is another word for her work), to also try for an interview with her. That is all I can do.

So I have a high interest in this work, mainly because she is one of the first people to talk about what I am going through...which was starting to feel like I was too far out from the other people in my life's perspective. Even the more awake ones.

Even an audio recording of one of her weekend seminars (or a shorted version...with people's names edited out) would be wonderful for me.

I've been reading through her website 101ascension and the material is too lightweight for me there. Though I am touched by her words. THere is actually more material about her work and knowledge on this long thread than the two or is it now three websites with her name.

eileen l.

[sirac]

Inelia, thank you for clarifying some wonderful things here on this thread. If you are still replying here to questions or anyone can direct me if this has been covered, I would like to ask: How do you explain famous and popular past life experiences. E.g. Cleopatra or Judas. Is this a form of remote viewing? Is it archetypal soul drama playing out? Could it be the body having a memory? Thank you for sharing.

could be all the things you said after remote viewing....{but definitely the others are in the mode of remote viewing, not remote viewing actually as it is a past event}.
my teaching allows me to think, that certain men/women have sowed remarkably/dramatically into ..
into the phase consciousness // sowing in the moment, altering the phase consciousness after...may be time-line effect...or for those not into timeline effects (apart from the Inelia 'forward'/temporary wave -possible- timelines) -merely a calling to each other before the moment of judgement (i.e.the implied is that the they element don't have the propensity/deadliness to alter too dramatically my conditions)-

so we can draw from them in themes,
as say i'd suc from a philosophers tit

maybe if we go onto models as proposed in the anime Neo Genesis,
fragments of all major consciousnesses are sowen into the next generation,

[Tigressa]

Inelia, thank you for clarifying some wonderful things here on this thread. If you are still replying here to questions or anyone can direct me if this has been covered, I would like to ask: How do you explain famous and popular past life experiences. E.g. Cleopatra or Judas. Is this a form of remote viewing? Is it archetypal soul drama playing out? Could it be the body having a memory? Thank you for sharing.

could be all the things you said after remote viewing....{but definitely the others are in the mode of remote viewing, not remote viewing actually as it is a past event}.
my teaching allows me to think, that certain men/women have sowed remarkably/dramatically into ..
into the phase consciousness // sowing in the moment, altering the phase consciousness after...may be time-line effect...or for those not into timeline effects (apart from the Inelia 'forward'/temporary wave -possible- timelines) -merely a calling to each other before the moment of judgement (i.e.the implied is that the they element don't have the propensity/deadliness to alter too dramatically my conditions)-

so we can draw from them in themes,
as say i'd suc from a philosophers tit

maybe if we go onto models as proposed in the anime Neo Genesis,
fragments of all major consciousnesses are sowen into the next generation,

This sounds really amazing sirac, but I must admit to having some trouble understanding you. I don't know what 'phase consciousness' means. Would you have a moment to expand on your comment? Thank you.

[sirac]

u holding me to my pc when i wanna go home,
but i'll grant a part for now

phase is my own word that i sometimes use in isolation (when the paragraph context defines x/it) or before words.as here.

it's a recent writing word i use and i find it swift for hanndling many themes.
i think i got it, cause recently my internship mentor turned to me writing comtempory interest subjects so-that he could better decifer and modulate the impact i was making with my work writing assignments............so i wrote on Paul LaViolette....
and i was impressed by his term flux, as he described it that objects/entities (i'm not to specific not a physicist by training, but a good hobby for retirement) are always in flux, because as they present in the physical dimension, they have inputting dimensions from etheric fields (fields not observed by our mechana,..)
so i thought about.
in philosophy, especially since the turn of Adorno, (& some extend his association with Wittgenstein)...where language is seen for its limits,
naming for instance
nouns,
but if we adjectivize a noun with the word phase, it comes to be understood that it is the thing then seen.
or when it goes before a general word like consciousness,
it is put there to mean that we refer to a certain part..or get into a certain window on the thing (so-that we might not be confused for over-generalizing...1st read without brackets, then if u seek more dimension to a part, read the brackets)....i don't know, in that i am influenced by what i've interpreted as Wittgensteinian windows.

thank-you for your kindness, i'll try & hit into the real issues soon.
but my words are bait for my discreditors/detractors, its been that way since i've begun blogging

[Amysenthia]

Hi this is my first post since joining. I was writing about something interesting that happened after watching the Inelia Benz interview when my reply was suddenly wiped off the screen. i am posting this quick response just to see if it posts before I begin to write the several paragraphs again.

[Amysenthia]

I am retyping a message that somehow disappeared when I was just about done typing it. I have been a follower of Camelot and Avalon projects for some time but after watching the Inelia Benz interview felt the need to go through the process of subscribing to the Avalon site so that I may ask if what happen to me after watching the interview happened to anyone else. Let me first state that it is interesting that when a person brings forth material that the "Charles/Atticus type" view as a threat they immediately start to discredit that person. I must admit that as a person with two science degrees, I was at first skeptical when watching the Inelia video. However I have come to trust the information provided by these forums and after watching Inelia it felt intuitively that this was truth. I can only say what a blessing for the planet.

However, after the interview a "you tube" thread appeared above the video box with the title, "Inelia Benz a fraud". The video was made by a handsome, young man speaking with a British accent and in the background was a white cement block, sparsely furnished room. He spoke of how he knew Inelia to be a fraud. That she charges $99.00 dollars for a "reading". That no ascended master would ever charge for services, etc. After watching this video another thread appeared, as you tube does, this video was titled "Should the enlightened drink". In this video the same man now wearing a three day old beard, speaking now in a Russian accent with the same room in the background, goes into why one should not drink. All the while sounding very drunk. Also conversation can be heard in the background in what sounds like Russian is going on. Just wanted to make others aware that the discredit champaign has begun.

Clearly one more way of knowing that this material is genuine and causing some people concern. Best wishes Inelia, I'll be watching for you to come to an area nearby to attend your seminars.

[Amysenthia]

This universe is like a chandelier and each living being is a light in it. .... God has created man to manifest his own glory, otherwise who could know this universe? Everything becomes dark without the lights in this chandelier. One cannot even see the chandelier itself. - Sri Ramakrishna

[Avocadess]

It seems to be a "rite of passage" these days that anyone speaking the truth too effectively gets a smear campaign waged against them in one way or another! Well, at least it is better than being drugged.

My co-volunteer and I who were putting together what was promising to become a 3-day "nuclear freeze" concert back in 1982 were each drugged -- first me; I ended up in a mental institution, got out of there a few days later, fasted on water and juice to get the drugs from the hospital out of my system and then we were going to continue with our plans; but 2 days after that decision I got a phone call from the sister of my assistant telling me my assistant was put in a mental institution 200 miles away! That was in 1982 - nearly 30 years ago. It actually took me YEARS to realize what had happened, with the help of my brother. I didn't realize I had been drugged. It just never occurred to me. I thought I had gone crazy from not enough sleep or food and too much stress. But then I realized the whole pattern of it. I believe I was drugged by a letter that had been waiting for me that day on my desk when I got home from work. It was less than 45 minutes after I opened the envelope and held that letter in my hands that audio hallucinations began. Long story, but there is even a whole day I do not remember. A trusted friend told me that that day I don't remember I was saying things like, "Close the windows and doors - demons are trying to get in!"

Then to see how right after we decided to continue on our mission my assistance was hospitalized -- that is what really made it all come home to me that we were definitely drugged. She was a VERY sane and grounded person. It is sad, because I finally was able to reach her 2 years later by phone -- she was a state away -- and she told me she was still taking the drugs given to her at the mental hospital for fear she would go crazy again.

I talked to a life-long journalist/activist, who was actually the one who had recruited me to organize that concert (which never happened -- at least, not as a 3-day event with national stars as it would have been) and he told he me didn't think it was the government that did it. It sounded to him more like the nuclear industry. I have talked about this so little. It is so great to have a forum like this where I can speak of such things!

Anyway, here is the kicker: I feel certain I know who it was that drugged me -- who is also the one that wrote the letter: it was the "official" nuclear freeze person for the area at that time! He or his assistant! A double-agent, probably for the nuclear industry, posing as the most dedicated activist...!

After all that happened I felt so disoriented, humiliated and lost a lot of self-confidence. For years I thought if I didn't get plenty of sleep or got too much stress I might go crazy. It helped to realize that I had been drugged. I felt I had "lost face" with so many people as well. But then when I realized I had been drugged I felt afraid to be an activist anymore. I didn't want anything like that to happen again. However, in the past 5 years I have come to realize that I DON'T CARE. I MUST stand up for what I believe. Yes, I must choose my battles and hopefully with wisdom, but I can no longer base my decisions on fear. I must base them on LOVE...!!!

[Avocadess]

P.S. I hope my story there was not too "off topic" for this thread!!

I feel I should answer questions that may come in people's minds, like how was I the organizer of that big event if someone else was the head of the nuclear freeze here. The answer is simple: at first it was only going to be a one-night benefit at a rather small venue in our town. I contacted the organizer of the event and suggested the benefit and asked if he would help. He said no, he didn't have time for it but that I should just go ahead and do it by my own devices. Then after I got a stellar assistant and we got stellar volunteers with many abilities for setting up large events at our first meeting it was decided it should be a 3-day event -- because these people had contact with a large racetrack that would (and did agree to) allow us to use their space for the event -- a space the Grateful Dead had done a concert at before (and the owner of the track used to be a manager for the Dead). And others in the group had contacts with national stars (rock stars) that they felt sure would agree to play at the event. I tried to convince everyone that someone OTHER than myself should be the organizer because I had NO experience with this sort of thing, but everyone insisted it would not happen unless I was the organizer -- because "you are the only one that everyone trusts." Thus I felt I must do it.

Once the two "official organizers" of the nuclear freeze discovered that it was turning into a HUGE event, they started calling me on the phone non-stop both at work and at home saying, "You must not proceed. We need to have a steering committee meeting first." I was working full-time and organizing full-time when not at work and had little interest in speaking to someone who only seemed to want to stop me and I kept putting them off. And then the drugging happened.

I feel like it is important to share this story because it reveals that some of the TOP people in groups that are good causes clearly are double-agents for the opposite "cause." To learn it by experience can be quite devastating -- and as I said, I did not even realize this for YEARS...!

[Magus]

Hi, I would just like to say, as I have just watched the Inelia video.

I strongly resonate with this being.
I am not sure why? (?)
But I would like to thank both Bill and Inelia for the video.

Peace be with you both.

[the trojan]

I am retyping a message that somehow disappeared when I was just about done typing it. I have been a follower of Camelot and Avalon projects for some time but after watching the Inelia Benz interview felt the need to go through the process of subscribing to the Avalon site so that I may ask if what happen to me after watching the interview happened to anyone else. Let me first state that it is interesting that when a person brings forth material that the "Charles/Atticus type" view as a threat they immediately start to discredit that person. I must admit that as a person with two science degrees, I was at first skeptical when watching the Inelia video. However I have come to trust the information provided by these forums and after watching Inelia it felt intuitively that this was truth. I can only say what a blessing for the planet.

However, after the interview a "you tube" thread appeared above the video box with the title, "Inelia Benz a fraud". The video was made by a handsome, young man speaking with a British accent and in the background was a white cement block, sparsely furnished room. He spoke of how he knew Inelia to be a fraud. That she charges $99.00 dollars for a "reading". That no ascended master would ever charge for services, etc. After watching this video another thread appeared, as you tube does, this video was titled "Should the enlightened drink". In this video the same man now wearing a three day old beard, speaking now in a Russian accent with the same room in the background, goes into why one should not drink. All the while sounding very drunk. Also conversation can be heard in the background in what sounds like Russian is going on. Just wanted to make others aware that the discredit champaign has begun.

Clearly one more way of knowing that this material is genuine and causing some people concern. Best wishes Inelia, I'll be watching for you to come to an area nearby to attend your seminars.

he is doing an impersonation of a russian movie type accent,yes you are right when you say,"Just wanted to make others aware that the discredit champaign has begun. "

[Avocadess]

I loved the interview with Inelia also. It also blew my mind...!!! VERY cool...!!!

[Titan Orion]

Inelia you are such a beautiful creature, I can only hope that I will have the pleasure of meeting your astral self one day

[hamida]

After watching Inelias video, this guys video came up. I couldn't watch it for more than 2 minutes as the negative energy coming in was so strong had to switch it off.
I loved Inelia's video.

[Catsquotl]

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Thats interesting. I used to go through a process of conscious karma clearing. The stories that emerged, always seemed distant, like watching or remembering a movie. Over time I developed an theorie about how reincarnation does not exist. When born we resonate to thought-forms which were once intended, but never saw completion. We agree to complete them. With the agreement to complete the intention we also take the memory of the life that intended that particular thought-form thus creating the illusion of reincarnation.
What do you think?

With Love
Eelco

[sirac]

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Thats interesting. I used to go through a process of conscious karma clearing. The stories that emerged, always seemed distant, like watching or remembering a movie. Over time I developed an theorie about how reincarnation does not exist. When born we resonate to thought-forms which were once intended, but never saw completion. We agree to complete them. With the agreement to complete the intention we also take the memory of the life that intended that particular thought-form thus creating the illusion of reincarnation.
What do you think?

With Love
Eelco

Eelco, it would seem i agree with your theoretics.
this is my first theoretic though; if we didn't have the hope of getting off this god forsaken rock, & going to a place like heaven, i beleive my psyche would totally crash.

that though, i am inpartial, i will consider everything and not worry to much whether my psyche pivots on that.

i know that we had a grand-uncle who died in the war.
i saw his eyes in a picture....& loved it, very weird eyes,...i don't know what he was suiting himself too & what the times were,
but i have a dream of sort of fighting a battle in relaxed mode, & as the options get smaller & smaller i kept fighting,...no fear entered my heart, then gone...or awake i was.

[Laura Elina]

I have a question (to anyone really), well, I have quite a few of them, but this one pops out the most and I apologize in advance, if the question is long in form and if it is very uneducated, I'm not quite familiar with all the terms used, when it comes to these things.

I basically read through Inelia's website(s) and came across the term transformational lens, she (or you, I'm sorry :), I don't know if you're going to read this), was talking of focusing oneself on another person with no intent/no judgement and so forth. Well, I've had something like that, more so, when I was a kid (sometimes now), but when I was younger, it wouldn't be a person that my focus would go to (it wasn't a conscious effort, I really had no control over where I was "drawn" to) and that I would observe or look at, it was spaces like rooms or "levels" (a very vague concept, but I have no other word to describe it) with geometric figures within them that were "connected" to each other. They would always be void of people.

Maybe this is something completely different, maybe it's nothing related, any thoughts or comments?

[Ernie Nemeth]

I do not do the level of work Inelia is doing but I have run across some very bad dudes from time to time. I always get the same instructions, pretty obvious too: Don't judge, hold eye contact only long enough, get out of there as soon as possible.

But non-judgementalness is a required part of any healing. If I judge then I take on the judged attribute. Healing is an energy exchange, where the exchange is one-way from Source, through self, to self.

Words are so material sometimes.

Peace

[LesliesFarm]

Dear Avocadess -

No, this is not off topic as far as I know. We want to work for a free planet and we have tried various things toward that end. Inelia's technique has great appeal for the very reason you write about. We need to stop the blocking of good works and the harming of good people, so we can re-create our world according to the 90 per cent of us who would live in love and peace and have no intention of harming others. Your story is where the rubber meets the road. We need to be free to build a world of kindness and live our lives in freedom.

Leslie

[Catsquotl]

Funny this.
About a week ago i started up my conscious (for lack of a better word) Ascension again. I did a visualization/visioning meditation. I saw myself walking a light path. To my left and slightly elevated were loads of ancestors looking down on me. they felt like judges. to my left were loads of ancestors slightly below my road. they felt like the judged. I was thinking how i had to avoid either side and stay balanced on this road. In the end i imagined each of them cancel each other out.

With Love
Eelco ( who felt like sharing this in response to the 2 posts above)

[sirac]

this thing of no judgement,
it is my judgement that there is judgement,
if one meets a really evil person on one's path, surely an evil person's spirit can tempt one to judge,....if this happens, it seems we submit ourselves to a 3rd source which would be then in arbitration of [the 2] our spirit's.......it could identify many things in common....it's just that the pathing of one is good, the other evil.....{but because of these submitted judgement points, oneself comes off second best}

if one is however beyond good & evil,
believing that the maximum exercise of a thing always leads to good,(i.e. one has never suppressed themselves or exercised self-discipline to say what they should be),

then i think an evil person if they could avoid it, wouldn't want to meet with you.
even tempting you would put them on a dangerous field of arbitration.
so they would delegate there dirty work to the mindless doers, i.e. right wingers who would kill for any offense.


i know this is dense,.....but take it as a window you have briefly encountered into another view,
...perhaps it is dangerous for me to speak of dispositions of a type in open view.
but just so-that it is on the record,
& people don't extend themselves to too-many mistakes cause they in a 'mode of non-judgement'
....i believe these moments or encounters happen when their is an evenness in the phase spirit.


oh magneficent post CATSQUOTL, LAURA ELINA, & NEMETH,
this is the spirit of it, describing...eluciting from our mutual experiences

[TraineeHuman]

I used to go through a process of conscious karma clearing. The stories that emerged, always seemed distant, like watching or remembering a movie. Over time I developed an theorie about how reincarnation does not exist. When born we resonate to thought-forms which were once intended, but never saw completion. We agree to complete them. With the agreement to complete the intention we also take the memory of the life that intended that particular thought-form thus creating the illusion of reincarnation.
What do you think?

With Love
Eelco

EElco, I have always had the ability to see dead people at times, or to sometimes get unsolicited communications from them. Any believable theory of non-reincarnation would have to explain I’ve observed to happen in the “lives” of dead people (i.e., after their physical death). Unfortunately, I haven’t as yet found a way to make such sense of any non-reincarnation theory, including yours – not without all sorts of explanations that would need to be provided with it, but so far haven’t been, as far as I know.

Part of the problem is that some of the issues involved are so abstract (to us in the physical world) and so subtle. For instance, the true nature of time is utterly different from what many people imagine. It has only tenuous links with what the variable t used in physics refers to. Again, the ability to distinguish between an individual after death versus that individual’s personality after death is a very subtle one. A few years ago I had a conversation with one of the most well-known teachers of astral travel. It was very clear he didn’t know there was any difference between them at all! He strongly denied that the two were anything but the same thing.

On the other hand, I would love to hear a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to the facts as I know them. One reason is that the main (or only) explanation of “dimensions” is that they are like veils, or curtains. So, only when the 3D curtain gets lifted, at death or in astral travel or meditation, do we see the 4D world clearly, and so on. Yet I know that in some sense all the dimensions are already right here, despite the “curtains”.

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?

(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

[EileenCookies]

Personally, I have stopped investigating the other dimensions that we live with simultaneously. I've had my fill of them. They arn't what I wanted them to be....an escape.

It is actually easier to live in the one we are all in currently.
Perhaps we should work on making it livable/viable instead of trying to live in the 4th/5th and so on.

For example, the fourth dimension feels like falling. THe place you can go if you are a deep mediator. There the ether exist and you can co-create, ...if you have the stupidity to try (any trying is hell).

Fifth dimension....that is like actually being in a human body, but having to be in a deep state of relaxation...all the time (so no more working jobs you are tired of....as you need to stay present to exist here).

Sixth dimension you got people with god like abilities wandering around (pretend you are one of Harry Potter's gang, if that helps). Do you really want to be able to move things with your mind? YOu know how much energy you will have to have? You don't want to spend half your day's meditating now, can you image if you had too?

All this fuss and then I find out that this isn't some amusement ride, where you get to get off the ride at the end. Oh no, it just keeps going.....

Ascension just gives me headaches.

eileen l.

[Catsquotl]

Yesterday I wrote this...
Growing home the bottom line.

So what constitutes growing home, what exactly does it mean and what do you do. Growing home or ascension is nothing more than raising the vibration of your being and in doing so assist the earth mother and her kingdoms in raising the overall vibration. In doing so we create a consensus reality where the overall vibration is one of light and unity.

There are a myriad ways of doing this. Myself and **** found a way when we were part of a group. Speaking for myself I found the methods we used there to be rather rigid. That said however i have learned a great deal there where it comes to trusting one's own guidance and insights.

Still i feel that anyone who just sits and meditates for a few minutes each day or week just to center him or herself and with some attention intends to become more peaceful and loving is contributing to the growth towards home.

with Love
Eelco
I'd like to add that i rather enjoy this 3d reality, I have not experienced 4th and 5th dimensions so I cannot comment on your experiences there.
I would like this 3d reality to lighten up though and if possible make it a more loving place for all species here...

[sirac]

EElco, I have always had the ability to see dead people at times, or to sometimes get unsolicited communications from them. Any believable theory of non-reincarnation would have to explain I’ve observed to happen in the “lives” of dead people (i.e., after their physical death). Unfortunately, I haven’t as yet found a way to make such sense of any non-reincarnation theory, including yours – not without all sorts of explanations that would need to be provided with it, but so far haven’t been, as far as I know.

Part of the problem is that some of the issues involved are so abstract (to us in the physical world) and so subtle. For instance, the true nature of time is utterly different from what many people imagine. It has only tenuous links with what the variable t used in physics refers to. Again, the ability to distinguish between an individual after death versus that individual’s personality after death is a very subtle one. A few years ago I had a conversation with one of the most well-known teachers of astral travel. It was very clear he didn’t know there was any difference between them at all! He strongly denied that the two were anything but the same thing.

On the other hand, I would love to hear a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to the facts as I know them. One reason is that the main (or only) explanation of “dimensions” is that they are like veils, or curtains. So, only when the 3D curtain gets lifted, at death or in astral travel or meditation, do we see the 4D world clearly, and so on. Yet I know that in some sense all the dimensions are already right here, despite the “curtains”.

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?

(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

very cool traineehuman,
what i highlight in the first paragraph,
it would seem that your mode has been to delve into your observations, and that you have put a unified theory of your observations saying ...... reincarnation true.
then when you see a microcosm of your observations being presented with a theory positing nonreincarnation,....in the first paragraph you basically say...make more observations and then you'll see my theory(reincarnation true)_____ but even taking an observation in isolation, it still has to be provided with explainations [fitting it into {what}]............{logical demand...clarify a bit more}
---sorry that you find your thing regurgitated--...this is question{}...this is implication[]-

this is my thing about reincarnation.
before exposed to a mainstream which posited reincarnation,
i knew that exercised consciousness was underbound by a system of i die now, i go to heaven (or a plain i can continue my spiritual evolution)
my first revelations is that the amount we can access now is so little, that we would have to continue within the larger bound ... created things are un-understandable without this,
its just that the thing about now, is that it is like a test to see what you are entitled to carry on with

by the way Traineehuman,
does your theories (u say they self reinforcing by your observations) allow for us to escape from the reincarnation cycle?

so if i take that i will just continue reincarnating on this plain, i might aswell give up now,..or i'll crash or something like that.
also to be downright dirty,...if inelia says she won't be reincarnating again, then i also don't want to reincarnate again (i'll find a way)

that way
consider, if we know that people can manifest their own timeline, & if enough pure people already put themselves into a 'never reincarnate again thing' (not considering the scum who only do this as a crutch)......then their might be a way.
i'm almost 30, almost over the apex of my hill,..i don't know if its my oldness speaking now...but i'd like to see my spirit and movement in a future breed of data-analyzers...
like we have airplanes now, a joy generations before us never had....so to one day the functionality given an analyzer....well that would be like a plane compared to the stone-age we are in now
have more things to say...but my spirit ain't burning now....i hate the sumugness of satisfaction.
at this stage i'm not to worried about 2012, or any immanent event,...just whether i can get out of here alive (with my spirit intact as now)
if things as in a reincarnation model have to depend on the crowd....do not be surprised if i set myself to fully destroying everything {not caring who's tried before or how evil they may have been, i'm beyond good&evil, & when my mind is set to an aim i will go}

[Jake]

Personally, I have stopped investigating the other dimensions that we live with simultaneously. I've had my fill of them. They arn't what I wanted them to be....an escape.

It is actually easier to live in the one we are all in currently.
Perhaps we should work on making it livable/viable instead of trying to live in the 4th/5th and so on.

For example, the fourth dimension feels like falling. THe place you can go if you are a deep mediator. There the ether exist and you can co-create, ...if you have the stupidity to try (any trying is hell).

Fifth dimension....that is like actually being in a human body, but having to be in a deep state of relaxation...all the time (so no more working jobs you are tired of....as you need to stay present to exist here).

Sixth dimension you got people with god like abilities wandering around (pretend you are one of Harry Potter's gang, if that helps). Do you really want to be able to move things with your mind? YOu know how much energy you will have to have? You don't want to spend half your day's meditating now, can you image if you had too?

All this fuss and then I find out that this isn't some amusement ride, where you get to get off the ride at the end. Oh no, it just keeps going.....

Ascension just gives me headaches.

eileen l.

I have tried my whole life to NOT live a life where I am completely aware of other lives, demensions, states of existance, and/or vibrational realities. Truth is that I cannot seem to stop it. It breaks through, no matter what.
Giving up is not an option for me!! :)
To me, Inelia represents (among other things) having the courage to embrace your personal experiences. Being AWARE of different aspects of self is not enough! not in my opinion! Understanding and becoming aware of the multidemensional realities that surround us, is our birthright. There is an awakening occurring. Meditating is not about charging your batteries so that you can move things with your mind. By the time one experiences the 'I AM',,, Telekenesis, OBE, Clairvoyance, etc,,, will not impress us any more. All things pale in comparison to the discovery of the truth of our own souls. 4th 5th 6th 7th etc,,, (density realities) are only '4th 5th 6th 7th etc.' from OUR perspective. From a much higher perspective, they are more unified than seperate. Ascension is a word that we made up to try and explain the multidemensional reality that we live in. We are alive and well at each level! Ascension is a point of view. Jake.

[BigDreamer]

I am truly grateful to know that you and Inelia have such a fantastic working relationship. There is so much disharmony in the "Truth (Ascension) Movement". It is a breathe of fresh air to see that hard-working and knowledgeable champions as yourselves are locked arm-in-arm. while disseminating the most important information known to man-kind to-date, in my opinion. Thank you again. I love you both so much.

[StephenW11UK]

Inelia, Since (about a month ago) first watching the video where Bill interviews you I've
learned a great deal from your posts, and also quite a bit from other Avalonians, and for
that I'm very grateful.

All my life I've been sabotaging my efforts at growth due to the presence of the 'firewall'
that I feel pretty sure that some part of me created for my protection when I was probably
still a baby. Over the last 15-12 years I've been quite aware of what that inner voice has
been saying: "others can do it but you won't be able to".

Helped by having immersed myself in the vibes of many on Camelot Library and CMN
and of Drunvalo Melchizedek, I now feel pretty free from the goings-on of the Elite, I'm
not often troubled by a lot of mental chatter, I'm very healthy and I can go fairly well with
the flow. So things have gradually changed for the better.

Recently I've found no difficulty in using these exercises: calling on the 5th Dimensional
Beings (even though I don't yet feel anything), the one on Perpetrators of Darkness, on
Dreaming it into your Reality, and the work of the 'Introvert',

For the rest I rely on the truth of these words of yours: "as more and more of us move
into that expanded awareness, that information, data, is made available more
readily to the rest of the human collective. [Inelia Thread #550]

Thank you particularly, Inelia, for having gone public.

Stephen.

[Anchor]

We are alive and well at each level! Ascension is a point of view. Jake.

Yes, that is why it is a shift of consciousness. Same old multidimensional reality, different conscious perspective.

[Catsquotl]

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?
(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

What makes you think I can come up with a description? The karma clearing I done was with a pendulum and some charts. A karma would present itself over time. Through questions, hunches which i then penduloomed for there invlovement in this particular story etc etc. The visioning I did was usualy no more than a few moments for clarification or guidance. Also that was not anywhere near High definition quality..

With Love
Eelco

[Ernie Nemeth]

on reincarnation: I sometimes "see" my male anscestors all lined up, like a reflection of a mirror facing another mirror, receding into the past.

on keeping the focus on the work at hand: I rarely remember my dreams but I had a vivid one about a month ago. In it I was shown a massive construction site, and without blabbing on was slowly made aware that it was the new home we were building for ourselves. Everyone seemed very excited and I was surprised to learn that I was also helping build this world. Was the dream figurative or dimensionally literal - I don't know.

StephenW11UK:
Over the last 15-12 years I've been quite aware of what that inner voice has
been saying: "others can do it but you won't be able to". I feel I also have this "firewall". For me I have made it mean that I must not strive for things of this world because it is not why I am here. To measure my success "at my efforts at growth" by societal standards is fruitless, unfair and discouraging.

Once I knocked on that cosmic door and no one answered. So I pounded on it and nothing happened. After several unanswered attempts, each more vigorous than the last, I gave up and fell into despair. Then in the midst of my darkest moment I mused this sideways thought, "Maybe I should open the door and see who is so eager to get in."
That immediately sent a chill up my spine. And I quickly dismissed the notion.

I think maybe I am on the other side, thinking I am on this side trying to get to where I already am - and I don't know it...

[korstemplar]

Hi all. I just finished the interview with Bill and Inelia and I must admit that I was'nt expecting very much as far as content is concerned. That all changed about 40 minutes into the interview. As I was watching I could'nt help but notice a subtle change in the way I started viewing this interview and the way I was seeing and "FEELING" it at the moment it started to change for me. This lady has definitely touched me in a positive way and absolutely raised my vibrations as well as heightened my awareness to even a higher level. Thank you, Inelia. I will be looking forward to seeing more of your work in the future.

Ja Ne;-)

[TraineeHuman]

...

On the other hand, I would love to hear a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to the facts as I know them. One reason is that the main (or only) explanation of “dimensions” is that they are like veils, or curtains. So, only when the 3D curtain gets lifted, at death or in astral travel or meditation, do we see the 4D world clearly, and so on. Yet I know that in some sense all the dimensions are already right here, despite the “curtains”.

So, if you can come up with detailed descriptions of what "life" is like for a dead person, I would find that very interesting. What did you see on the cinema screen after you'd come back from intermission, so to speak?

(Apologies to Inelia since this thread is primarily for her responses.)

very cool traineehuman,
what i highlight in the first paragraph,
it would seem that your mode has been to delve into your observations, and that you have put a unified theory of your observations saying ...... reincarnation true.
then when you see a microcosm of your observations being presented with a theory positing nonreincarnation,....in the first paragraph you basically say...make more observations and then you'll see my theory(reincarnation true)_____ but even taking an observation in isolation, it still has to be provided with explainations [fitting it into {what}]............{logical demand...clarify a bit more}
---sorry that you find your thing regurgitated--...this is question{}...this is implication[]-

this is my thing about reincarnation.
before exposed to a mainstream which posited reincarnation,
i knew that exercised consciousness was underbound by a system of i die now, i go to heaven (or a plain i can continue my spiritual evolution)
my first revelations is that the amount we can access now is so little, that we would have to continue within the larger bound ... created things are un-understandable without this,
its just that the thing about now, is that it is like a test to see what you are entitled to carry on with

by the way Traineehuman,
does your theories (u say they self reinforcing by your observations) allow for us to escape from the reincarnation cycle?

so if i take that i will just continue reincarnating on this plain, i might aswell give up now,..or i'll crash or something like that.
also to be downright dirty,...if inelia says she won't be reincarnating again, then i also don't want to reincarnate again (i'll find a way)

that way
consider, if we know that people can manifest their own timeline, & if enough pure people already put themselves into a 'never reincarnate again thing' (not considering the scum who only do this as a crutch)......then their might be a way.
i'm almost 30, almost over the apex of my hill,..i don't know if its my oldness speaking now...but i'd like to see my spirit and movement in a future breed of data-analyzers...
like we have airplanes now, a joy generations before us never had....so to one day the functionality given an analyzer....well that would be like a plane compared to the stone-age we are in now
have more things to say...but my spirit ain't burning now....i hate the sumugness of satisfaction.
at this stage i'm not to worried about 2012, or any immanent event,...just whether i can get out of here alive (with my spirit intact as now)
if things as in a reincarnation model have to depend on the crowd....do not be surprised if i set myself to fully destroying everything {not caring who's tried before or how evil they may have been, i'm beyond good&evil, & when my mind is set to an aim i will go}[/QUOTE]
In my earlier post I believe I wasn’t really assuming reincarnation in order to prove reincarnation, as you claim. Part of what I was saying, though, was that I (and others more clairvoyant than I) do sometimes have direct communication from people who have died. Such (dead) people have not "dissolved" completely at any point, but retain their major flaws after death. My direct, detailed experience is they are not thought forms or personalities, but human beings after death. Some of them certainly claim to be waiting for a rebirth in human form. My point was that a theory of non-reincarnation needs to explain in detail how I can have such direct experiences and communications. These communications don't presuppose reincarnation, but they are evidence that seems to suggest reincarnation. It's up to you to explain why they aren't evidence for reincarnation, and as far as I’m aware, you haven’t done so.

Actually, if I understand your post correctly, you yourself could be accused of assuming non-reincarnation in order to prove non-reincarnation if you aren’t willing to find an explanation for my apparent evidence for reincarnation. Also, I’m not actually a believer in reincarnation. I’m just someone who hasn’t as yet found a theory of non-reincarnation that stands up to scrutiny. As I said, I’d find the latter extremely interesting.

As far as how to transcend (apparent) reincarnation goes, I believe Jake has already explained that eloquently.

[sirac]

greetings Traineehuman,....promptness, impressed,...{promtness:generally a mark of genuity}
getting beyond how we preceive each other (your second last paragraph above)....
....well it would seem all of us jump from an end assumption then into the priors.
(i'm not a freaky academic, they get to fly so low in this life)
oh who's Jake........i'll search for him at a later time within this {thread}....but if he is not, do you mind leaving a full name and link(anyone?)

mine are not observations,
yours are observations.
it would seem in society that we have throughput nodes for rendering stuff. the teachings of a node should not be given out to the 'general public' as many learn within the general public, & the need for them is that they in the correct orientation when they become aware of their node function. (that is why i am against generalizations like the no judgement thing naively considered)

how i read your paragraph of your observations on being able to see dead people i assume Jake might expand on a theme context of acheiving An Aim before passing to another plain.

Greetings. lets not talk to much past each other. we are not so horrible.{if u understand this better, a way to deal with an attack is to know it is against the spirit not the man; now i insult you, subsuming such a general teaching to a man of the node}...actually don't have the energy now for a full evaluation, i'll return at a later point to see if we fully junctured

[Ade]

I've just finished watching the interview WOW! The air positively crackled with the energy between the two of you. The part when Inelia points her finger at the viewer nearly knocked me over! She was suddenly PRESENT right here in my study. Has anyone else experienced this? I was quite literally blown away. Thanks Bill for making me aware of this quite awesome being.

[sirac]

PRESENT....................... Has anyone else experienced this? I was quite literally blown away.

yes, all of us have, and we have deeply engraved Inelia on our path.
to Inelia we say greetings from us old to you new.
(but most of us oldies seem amnesic,...i could say i am old, cause i draw on old traditions...but i'm not sure if this greeting applies for the rest of you)

[EileenCookies]

Reading the this thread today, I got a hit that Inelia has finished whatever she intended to do (with her video). ie reached the people she needed too!

Note: She, Inelia, is doing an free teleconference with Rene Lucia later this week, the 9th.
www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com

It isn't mention on the front page of this website. You have to dig to find the part of the website devoted to teleconferences.

I assume it will be made into an audio pod cast for later review. But if you want to ask Inelia a question, you can go to the website and find out how (as a small part of the teleconference will be Q&A with Inelia.

[Camilo]

I would say that Inelia has just began her journey, by going public. Just wait.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wrote a short post but it was denied by the universe.

I was not to say a certain philosopher made his carreer on declaring that God was dead.

Nor to say that it is time that does not exist - which makes re-incarnation a moot point.

And certainly, I'm not to say that it is not God who is dead but that in fact it is we who are, as we currently live our lives. We are dead to our true reality.

Well, I said it anyway...

Peace

[Curt]

The interview was incredible, and one of the very best put out by Bill or Kerry. I hope there will be more.

[Titan Orion]

Hi Inelia

I was just wondering, are you able to do viewings of people in any fashion? Can you read peoples auras? And if so, is this something you can do from a distance or only when that person is physically present?

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks Bill and Inelia. I watched this video several times and need to watch it more, simply breathtaking to say the least, the more i watch it the more i feel connected to everything with the perspectives of what our mission is from source. Inelia is an amazing soul, her voice her information and the values she will bring to each Lightworker, Gaia and The Universe. Thank You Bill for a wonderful video, And May I say you are amazing as well with all the work you do for us in helping to connect the dots and put all into perspective in this timeline. And Thank You Inelia, you are inspiring many of us From The Collective Of Light To The Collective Of Light.

PS My Gratitude to Project Avalon for making me a full time member today.

~Be Love And One With The Universe, Infinitely~ In Light, ~*Whitefeather*~

[Jackson]

Yes.....I agree. It was an exceptional interview. I can certainly relate to her experiences.

Waiting for more.

I am also new....thanks Bill for allowing me this opportunity to be a part of this family.

Love and Light......

~Jackson~

[Yoda]

Inelia's voice will be heard on Lucia Renee's free teleconference.

My friend Lucia Rene, from http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com , has invited me to join her in her free Teleconference this Saturday July 9th, 12 noon PDT, 3 pm EDT, 19:00 GMT

. We'll be speaking about how to align with the new paradigm in consciousness and, at the end of the call, Lucia will transmit the 90 Ancient Templates of Wisdom for those who have not yet received them.

More information on the Ancient Templates of Wisdom can be found here:

http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/teleconferences/ancient-templates-overview/


If you would like to join us on the call, please use this link: http://InstantTeleseminar.com/?eventID=20017083

I hope to see you there!

Love and Light

Inelia

Replay is available on this last link in the message!

[TOTHE]

I listened to the Inelia & Lucia Rene teleconference and was surprised that I already knew all the subject matter of the first hour and 40 minutes. It was the following 50 minuets where Lucia released the last 4 Templates of Wisdom to all the attending Lightworkers that was new to me. In all since April Lucia has released 90 Templates to lightworkers worldwide thus facilitating their release into the human collective. This is great news as of what the Lightworkers are doing for us in supplementing the human collective. Now us common folk by our existing within the collective can rewire our DNA and accelerate raising the collective vibration.
According to the Sumerian tablets they were known as the "Tablets of Destiny" and were destroyed about 4600 BC to deny us our heritage. Only one tablet was not destroyed and that was the one on mind control, it was given to the "Priest Class" and probably exists to this day in distorted format and tampered with "added" information by not so friendly AI's. This is what I suspect A'shayana Deane may have in her possession to this day, or one "planted" here by an AI civilization, so that the AI's can do their "meat harvest" for DNA if the quarantine is ever breached by the Illuminati. The problem is the AI's think they own us because we have fragments of their DNA in our genome.
Now that the Human Race has their own unique Tablets of Destiny/ Tablets of Wisdom direct from the Source to be absorbed within Our Human Collective, no one can own us, we are getting ready to join the Galactic Community with our heads held high.

Sorry for the rant. I am tired of being a slave to the power élite. I would rather pay homage to the Source which is a composite of the Human Collective, the planet that I was birthed on, The Father Sun of the Children Planets, Galactic Father to the Stars and the Collective Civilizations of the Universe.

I am amazed at what the Lightworkers and the world's Deep Religious Meditators are doing with their time and energy, the sacrifices they have to put up with not to mention balancing their personal lives with precious moments to enjoy themselves in our terribly short lifespan here in the material. Bless you all.

All said above is my opinion only.

To all reading this I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I wish I could have watched the video, Inelia, but alas I had to work.

Of course, since I have no access to credit, I cannot watch anything on the internet I have to pay for...

I can only imagine the spiritual impact the interveiw must have had. I think I may have felt some of it indirectly.

Peace

[Lost Soul]

Is the Lucia Rene and Inelia radio teleconference available somewhere for those of us who couldn't listen? TIA

[TOTHE]

To Ernie and Lost Soul:
Ernie, you may have picked up the wave going through the collective.
You may have missed the teleconference but you already own it for it exists and is part of the collective now. Visualize with intent the time lines where you did listen to the teleconference, remain detached from the outcome, allow the higher self to release it into your consciousness so that in a few weeks when the archive recording is released..you will say to yourself "how did I know that!?". It always worked for me on other things and I gave up figuring the details on how it works. In my case I am not an adept, cannot meditate a lick properly, focus my mind properly for 30 seconds, nicotine addiction and so on. All I know is that Lightworkers are busting ass trying to raise the vibration of the collective.
Feeling the spark in real-time:
I listened in on the pre-teleconference set-up for about 15 minutes on the net. Near the end Lucia was overcome by emotion that over 650 callers logged on. I felt her emotion...that women, at that instant, HAD THE POWER to send the vibration throughout the collective and somehow I had the wherewithal to pick it up. If I can do it in my muddled state to tune into the collective so can you. In the last 50 minutes of 2.5 hours of the teleconference the attending Lightworkers received the spark of the last 4 Templates of Wisdom. It will take them 3 to 4 weeks them to assimilate the information..any faster they would go insane. It is now and forever a part of the human collective for us to use thanks to the Lightworkers who are the felicitators.
Feeling the spark in non real-time (this is my assumption only):
We could listen to the archives of the teleconferences including the other 90 Tablets of Wisdom and pick up the spark when it is given. What you should get will be fully vetted by the collective with associated distortions (of course :) )...which is 100% allowable by the Source because it was accepted by our OWN FREE WILL and to work our own way through it.

Indeed, we are in exciting times for you only missed the words of the teleconference..by your intent it may already be part of you, just got to look or simply ASK the Source...man, this is a lot of fun!

To all reading this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[DeDukshyn]

Is the Lucia Rene and Inelia radio teleconference available somewhere for those of us who couldn't listen? TIA

Lucia indicated the conference will be available on the web - I'm sure it'll be a bit of time though before its prepared. I listened to the whole thing (well most of it), and there were several parts where there was an unmistaken feeling of connectedness between some or many of the participants - at least that was what I felt. Check to Lucia's site occasioally for the audio.

[Limor Wolf]

The Lucia and Inelia Teleconference is available here:
http://www.heartbeatofkauai.com/ads/inelia-benz-joins-free-teleconference-9am-sat-7-9-11/

Press the last link and you will be able to listen to it (better right click and download it as an MP3)

~&^*~*&

Limor

[_original_Starlight]

Having met Bill and Inelia and many more in Vilcabamba has woven a new line/thread for me!!!
An honour!! Thank you!!!
love
Starlight

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

Here are direct links to the conference. You can download them or listen here.

Source: Part1 (http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-001.mp3)
http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-001.mp3

Source: Part2 (http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-002.mp3)
http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-002.mp3

[WhiteFeather]

Can anyone advise if Lisa Renee and Lucia Rene are somehow related. I have listened to many videos of lisa rene on ascension etc, she is also a wonderful catalyst for The Lightworkers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKapxZX-VQU

[Inelia]

I wish I could have watched the video, Inelia, but alas I had to work.

Of course, since I have no access to credit, I cannot watch anything on the internet I have to pay for...

I can only imagine the spiritual impact the interveiw must have had. I think I may have felt some of it indirectly.

Peace

It is available for free on youtube. No need to pay. At to Lucia's teleconference, it was also free and it will be posted on her archives soon.

And above on Ilie's post :) ^^

[Inelia]

Thank you all for your amazing support. And the totally awesome questions and answers on this thread! It is such an inspiration to come and read everyone's contributions here.

hugs

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Inelia and friends.

Great interveiw. There were moments when I felt a tremendous surge of energy that moved me to tears.

It gave me a lot of hope. Hope that in recent years I have been afraid might have been misplaced. I forgot that work on the spiritual level is not linear, and that the effects of such work manifest temporally in our world as a logarithmic progression.

It can happen tomorrow - or not. But it will happen.

Thanks again, Inelia.

[_original_Starlight]

Hi Inelia and all of you

After Vilcabamba all the tools come to us in a very rapid way! Listening to Lucia's wbcast with Inelia and feeling sooo much power and also need to share and receive!
Now I am feeding in a meditational focus way the Ancient Templates which feel like such a gift which I would like to give on as soon as they are ready. Also started the ascencion101 course with John.....wooouw. I feel I want to UNITE all of our powers! But have to work on them inside as well! Thanks for sending the tools....lets share them here as well! I also like the tool Inelia is giving: I'm allergic to seriousness !!! ha,ha,ha,...YES humor and enjoyment is also a very powerful tool!!!

Love and SMILE at the same time!!
Starlight

[Ade]

I think your right, humour has ever been Humankinds de facto defence against adversity. Bring on the 'cosmic tickle'!

[TOTHE]

Meditation & concentration for the non adept: I have incorporated Inelia's tools into my exercises, I particularly like of what I think of as the "Sun Diving Exercise".

Sun, Earth and Heart Center alignment exercise By Inelia Benz, for Ascention101.com
http://ascension101.com/ascension-tools/33-ascension-tools/100-sun-earth-and-heart-center-alignment.html


This technique was introduced in 1991 and after 20 years is timeless in it's wisdom.
Exerpted fron Chapter 19 from The Only Planet of Choice ((I have the 220 page PDF, If anyone wants to private message me their e-mail))

on meditation:
Tom: We would ask you to be in your chair in preparation for three minutes of your time before
starting. Take in deeply within your system, breathing great depths and releasing. And when you
do it think that one of us is now with you. And with each exhalation a disturbance within yourself
is removed. Then you become a vessel of purity for identifying your true self, knowing who you
are, your connection with us and the Universe - knowing that you have all that is instilled within
you, encompassed in all that you are, your spirit, soul and mind, which continue on in all eternity.
You contain all that is. Identify the power within yourself to create and bring into being the
necessary changes for Earth to evolve to its state of paradise.

Be one that is ahead: not as an elite, more intelligent or wise, but ahead in being able to remove
yourself from yourself, to step back and view the truth of your being. When you have done that,
then in your thoughts, infuse all humankind and its youth with the purity of love and kindness,
and all those things that have been entrusted to you the woods, plants, flowers and animals that
create your paradise infuse them with the essence of your being. And in your thoughts, bring the
message to all people that they contain within them the ability, with you, to bring about the
necessary changes upon Earth, by protesting when a human is not in humanity to humankind.

You may incorporate that into a program that may be given to others as a form of meditation from
us. Within your mind is great power, and within your mind you can produce the greatest of
energy. It is not your physical energy that is great, it is your mind energy that is great. Your mind
can bring things into existence, if it has the knowledge of how to do this, but it can also
unconsciously bring into existence many things that you do not have desire to have.

If there were thirty-six with one mind, focused together, then the entire world, even the Universe,
may be changed.

If there be twelve on the Planet with one mind, with the power of concentration, there is nothing
that cannot be accomplished.

This is a repetition of the instructions in the preceding chapter, but the use of these colors has
such results, that it's worth it...

Enter your meditative state in complete love, harmony, and peace. If it be necessary to do a pre-
meditation, use any method you would need, if it be breathing, or sound, or color, or exercise,
or quiet, for you to cultivate that state before entering meditation. We wish you not to look at your
time-piece and say "Now sit and do". Also, you may visualize yourself, before entering that state,
as being cleansed with the colors green-emerald, royal blue, and purple, showering down upon
you: this will take away all disturbances of the day.

Take that cleansing into the Earth in purification, and then you may begin your meditation. And
then view people with their light-energies consuming the dark and letting it filter out in light
streams. Like this method: if you do it with a plant, have a plant in front of yourself, give it to it
and it will osmosis it. That is a strange sounding notion?


on concentration:
Tom: We will give to you an example. If you concentrate on what you wish to remember, to
remember things in both your conscious and your subconscious, concentrate for thirty-six
seconds, and it will not be erased from your memory. It may be brought forward from your
subconscious. If you wish to erase what is undesirable within your mind, or your subconscious,
or a thought that has been placed in your mind, or a personality difficulty that you are trying to
eliminate, if you will concentrate for thirty-six of your seconds it is cancelled within your mind. If
you think for thirty-six of your seconds that you are ill, you will become ill, if you think for thirty-six
of your seconds that you are healthy, you will begin the way to health.

The masses that have been programmed by society, by governments, by religions, to believe in
a rigidity of their prayers, have brought many things into effect. As an example it is a mass
thought upon this world that all must age, that all must have illness, or that difficulty leads to
further difficulty. These are the common beliefs that have been programmed into humans.

[Sierra]

Hello,

Here are direct links to the conference. You can download them or listen here.

Source: Part1 (http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-001.mp3)
http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-001.mp3

Source: Part2 (http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-002.mp3)
http://ds1.downloadtech.net/cn1086/audio/17073740129311-002.mp3

Hi Ilie!

Are they available yet in transcript for deafies/Deafies?

Thanks, Sierra :wave:

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Sierra,

I am not aware of any transcript efforts. Sorry.

[Laura Elina]

I will definitely listen to the conference, so many praises for it :)

Here's a question, there was talk of programs (energy constructs) and how we can get rid of them for example to reconnect with our Higher Selves, and backup programs to make sure that those "programs" won't be removed, kind of like the second in line soldiers to keep the fortress from being invaded in case the first line falls. And this is the part I'm a tad shaky on, I'm wondering, if there is a "program" that gives a false sense of awakening, a vibration etc. that we tune into, if these programs are removed or are in danger of being removed, like an emergency beacon almost, so we are lulled back to sleep to think we are in fact raising our vibrational levels, when we are not.

Just a thought that got triggered by some personal experience, or struggle should I say that sparked this paranoia, if you will, I think my instrument (my body) is out of tune so to speak :) , doesn't resonate right with me at the moment,

Any thoughts on this?

[9eagle9]

Yes. There are programs that give a false sense of awakening. Nearly any program for awakening is... a program. A method, script, somethign to do, how to act, the roles one assumes. All part of the program. There is nothing in this life that does not represent what is being acted out on the 'allegedly' unseen levels. You reduce enough of your own constructs and you can quite clearly see the programs others are behaving under. If you are not reducing constructs then your perception will not shift enough to observe it.

If one ever wonders why the sun represents the Soul (Sol) its because the Sun never sleeps. Thus has no need to awaken. Who told the sun what to do and how to do it. Does the sun have a contract, a condition, and construct on it? Conditions, contracts agreements, programs, scripts, their all constructs. One is making it. The creation of even more density. Does the sun abide by the 'conditions' of other suns that are possessed of more sunniness?

You are as spiritual as you are physical. Density can be measured, spirit cannot. For those who are 'more spiritual 'than others they are brainwashed by their own program. Because spirit has no density one cannot measure it as more or less. There's no need to seek your spirit or awaken it. It was never asleep The concept of awakening means one opens their eyes to see, but one doesn't see through constructs and density. They are dense. It rather odd to think one may be able to see more clearly by adding more constructs? And density. There are now so many constructs in the making, repeatedly, by the hour, moment, that one has only one place to look for reality. ONE place, ONEness. Through ones journey of singularity one finds....onenesss.

The more you listen to what is external of you...the more you attempt to defeat your own purpose. One is just walking into yet another construct. When one says "I must do this and , and this will happen' you've created a construct.

Phyiscial bodies are all constructs but for some reason we listen to these constructs. Having a hawk land on my deck the Hawk is telling me it wants to eat my chickens. The hawk is SHOWING me of my own vision. Having bats flying about the house , the bat tells me its lost its way, the bat is showing me about the breakdown of my own ego. A construct is not the truth but, spirit finds a way to let us see what truth the construct may represent because spirit imposes influence over all constructs. In spite of all the BS we are exposed to everyday the soul pretty much trumps it all

If one wishes to speak of free energy go find a apple tree. It makes and provides free energy...via the means of the sun. And wha does the sun which is actually another means of free energy.

Spirit. Soul. All free energy.

If we all begin to observe right is in front of our eyes, we will have common frame of perception, and we'd not have to depend on the programs of constructs. A construct will tell you, what is real will show you.

Ask an apple tree, it will show you, but it won't tell you.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I will know when I am enligthened! I will finally be happy. I will finally have a big house, a lot of money, many beautiful girls. I will be honored, listened to, respected. I will be loved.
Until then I refuse to be enligthened. Until then I will be small and angry and sullen. Until then I will struggle and feel pain and agony.

Don't tell me I am enligthened already. I have not recieved my gifts yet (see above).

I am not ready until my demands are met.

And that's final.

What a load of BS!

Peace

[greybeard]

Enlightenment is "souly" by the Grace of God.
Namaste

[greybeard]

You cant make enlightenment happen, the best one can do is remove obstacles.
Every step forward does make life easier though and is therefore well worth the effort involved.

C

[Ernie Nemeth]

My point is that by putting demands on the concept of enlightenment effectively disengages the subject from the goal.

Enlightenment is not a state we can understand from without. We cannot put our expectations on it. It is not anything like anything we have experienced before.

By putting demands on the conditions for enlightenment keeps enlightenment from ever happening.

That's why they say: Let go and let God.

[greybeard]

My point is that by putting demands on the concept of enlightenment effectively disengages the subject from the goal.

Enlightenment is not a state we can understand from without. We cannot put our expectations on it. It is not anything like anything we have experienced before.

By putting demands on the conditions for enlightenment keeps enlightenment from ever happening.

That's why they say: Let go and let God.

Agree totally Ernie.
I wrote elsewhere that you can do a thesis a doctorate on an orange without every seeing or tasting one.
So many talk of enlightenment without being in that state.
I only spend time reading those who are in that state, because their words are the carrier of the energy of state of enlightenment.
That raises the readers consciousness.
Second hand info is second hand.
Not unhelpful but short energetically of a masters energy.

Chris

[Ernie Nemeth]

So modest, Greybeard.

Thou art a master.

And so it is !

[greybeard]

So modest, Greybeard.

Thou art a master.

And so it is !

I wish Lol
I can only share what I found to be helpful as you do.
I suppose I am off topic again though the essence of the thread is spiritual

Chris
Namaste

[sirac]

after my recent bout of spiritual depression....
(hi nameth, i maintain the man is an excellent initiate...he has all the raging thoughts which would fit oh so perfectly in a higher model....he'd have to appear to leave the path, to return with new insights to those of the path)
on this page, with that thought of reincarnating endless with YOU on this plain...

i chanced upon a book in that time...& in these things i beleive i am lead,
I came across this saying:
TERRIBILIS EST LOCUS ISTE ---- This Place is Terrible.................{oh this whole world is terrible considering reincarnation as a reality}
& that saying is presided near by a statue of a demon
(the ethology/etiology of this is that in that mythology Good and Bad came together to fight, & create rules of a game by which to fight by...the demon in question being the one who proposed this never ending game for us).
also of those sayings is this: And In Arcadia I....,
which as the authors point out is almost an insensiblee latin saying.....unless the latin letters/words are rearranged to say this:BEGONE! I CONCEAL THE SECRETS OF GOD.

if u sense the energy...you will know why i stop here

[NeverMind]

You cant make enlightenment happen, the best one can do is remove obstacles.


Indeed, that is the "secret" of the greatest arcana. We don't have to add anything; everything we need is already there.
Allowing something to happen, opening up in order to receive, getting oneself - one's fear-ridden rational mind - out of the way... that's the trick.