The Inelia thread

[sirac]

ever heard of this kabalistic teaching...
the division of 5 putative worlds
when one ascends, than one's view of the world in the new level[world] changes.....objects that were there previously now have different conoted visions.

so it is, .......don't bother myself..........only wonder the relative world of the person and filter appropriately.

i thinks inelia has withdrawn herself, cause she has ascended a world, her relative vision and mission will become different.

(so no nay sayers of the average)

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sirac, sounds like the ancient wisdom teaching of the five ages of man. I think we are supposed to be entering the last age.

The Kabalistic teaching of the tree of life teaches three paths to enlightenment the two paths of the pillars and the center way. I'd have to get out my notes but I believe there are five levels of ascension. Is that what "the division of 5 putative worlds" refers to? - the horizontal levels of the tree of life?

Inelia began a process. We are working it out.

I'm sure she follows along...

[hexenomega]

its not the person you agreed with, but the one you didnt is the partial key

[TOTHE]

Something here to keep us encouraged in our work.

After analyzing this information posted below I am going to try to do something different with my light body. I will visualize the normal cleansing of the LB with Gaia and "Sun Diving" exercise ...then I will go into the "Cold Zone" between the Galaxies, away from all the traps and mind control. I want the light body to go into the region where there is only me with the dark matter and energy of the Universe just to bathe in the vibration of the nothingness and listen to the whisper and be part of the Source of all life. When the light body returns to me I hope something filters down into my thick skull, past all the traps and Thoughtforms populating the Etheric Bands. It is like staging a solo prison break and returning to help my fellow inmates raise their vibrations so we can all have a collective prison break..it's no fun for me unless others are in the gang (or game) with me.

A distant echo from the past: In 604 BCE, Laozi gave a small a piece of advice on the spirit with visualization of the outcome as already completed and detachment from the outcome. Success is never measured by the outcome but by the steps taken or action. Detaching from the bondage of outcome, of control and manipulation, of scene or process...if we can do that in our daily activity we can free that which binds us to a lower vibration, IMHO

"He who looks will not see it;
He who listens will not hear it;
He who gropes will not grasp it.
The formless nonentity, the motionless source of motion.
The infinite essence of the spirit is the source of life.
Spirit is self.

Walls form and support a room,
yet the space between them is most important.
A pot is formed of clay,
yet the space formed therein is most useful.
Action is caused by the force of nothing on something,
just as the nothing of spirit is the source of all form.

One suffers great afflictions because one has a body.
Without a body what afflictions would one suffer?
When one cares more for the body than for his own spirit,
one becomes the body and looses the way of the spirit.

The self, the spirit, creates illusion.
The delusion of Man is that reality is not an illusion.
One who creates illusions and make them more real than reality,
follows the path of the spirit and finds the way of heaven."

The above quote was excerpted from page 97 of this 319 page PDF link below. (it takes awhile to get through this and the ton of footnotes, confirms what Bob Dean is trying to hint at)
It appears that theis is an 1947 interrogation of an AI. It looks like the "mind control trap" has been disabled since then, that is why Inelia's higher self so unique. The ball is now in play Boys and Girls..so lets have some fun in this game and give the Universe a show they won't forget. ;)

http://exopoliticshongkong.com/uploads/Alien_Interview.pdf

[nomadguy]

enlightenment to me is something you discover. And just like that the feeling is gone. You have moved past it.
I do not think it is a permanent state of being, it takes work and devotion to BE enlightened at all times. And that is a feat that seems almost undo-able to me at present. If I get a few moments here and there I know I am on the right path. So to me enlightenment is the AHA moment within us.
It activates all on its own. SO in that way ~ yes you are already... enlightened.
Somewhere within your being, enlightenment is waiting to be activated into a resonant action or feeling.
BUT... Can YOU sustain that feeling from that point on through eternity?
Seems like a tough task, but then again, if you let your ego go.
Let it be merely a part of you, fully expressed,
I mean ego in an almost physical way, it is your current self awareness.
Face this part of yourself and then choose to not let your ego-self awareness consume your every thought and feeling.
If you can do that, then maybe... And just to leave it on a positive note, I think you can. All of us can do it.

[sirac]

Sirac, sounds like the ancient wisdom teaching of the five ages of man. I think we are supposed to be entering the last age.

The Kabalistic teaching of the tree of life teaches three paths to enlightenment the two paths of the pillars and the center way. I'd have to get out my notes but I believe there are five levels of ascension. Is that what "the division of 5 putative worlds" refers to? - the horizontal levels of the tree of life?

Inelia began a process. We are working it out.

I'm sure she follows along...

i'm very surprised to be replyed too, that does not often happen. beginning of a new week and new meditations.

5 putative worlds.....let me clarify. i'm not the best teacher....i'm sure there are other Kabalists floating around Avalon (I've encountered 2--- hey Kabalists, what does the number 33 mean to u guys?)....i'm not the best teacher, cause i am an applicationist.....what applies to me is the phrase "forgotten more than a novice would get to know"(there is a similar proper phrase, but thats my systemization of the phrase).
the 5 worlds ....names:.....the highest one is Azilute (pronounciation right sp. but actually wrong sp.) and Beria is another.
anyways (this i got from Bnei Burush {wr.sp!}), all objects within the 5 worlds are the same. but starting from the lowest [lets say..] when one ascends to a higher one, than coming to the higher[2nd] one, one[you] views the objects {i.e. same objects present in the world u had access to before} but they have a different meaning and orientation.

u can hear i am a kabalist no more; but it appeals to me. consider that they say the bible is only the 'bereucrized{bureaucracy} version', or the administrative system to manage a mass, the research version actually belonged to the kabalist segment. Also if u've broken through religion, than you know their heavy emotionalised language. kabala is almost like pure math (one of a higher flavour can hardly take offense). one goes to it [kabala] cause one feels one has grown to the limit in normal religions....but Kabalists aren't ready for the infusion...cause they from a 1st school they try and alter current teaching {if u've come to kabala, that's your 2nd school....kabalists normally having inexperience cause they on a 1st school {c i don't mean 1st and 2nd in the prioritized meaning of those indicators[1st&2nd]}}. Like i trust foreigners & not my own countrymen to get thc to me, so too wouldn't i trust a human to teach me kabala...it would have to be a 3rd party that can see immediately where i juncture & what needs to be thought me...((but secretly privately i depend on the Holy Spirit {i still retain the conversation with jesus thing/love it}))

notice especially the context of silence. silence in some things is the thought answer.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Sirac,

Your answer makes me think of the spiralling nature of wisdom/knowledge. As one becomes more knowledgable the same topics are visited again and their relative meanings have changed. Spiralling outward, this knowledge circles wider and wider in ever more inclusive bouts of recognition. Spiralling inward, this same knowledge becomes increasingly centered and focused. Together, this inward/outward surge meets at the boundary of all knowledge/wisdom - where in meets out. It is this point, this membrane, this vast topographical contour of reality, this field that is the truth and Source of all life and all realities.

And I imagine that membrane as the place of true silence.

Peace

[TOTHE]

Enlightenment and the confusion to equate it to perfection which is impossible in this density.

chapter 19 discussion
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/opc19.htm

For further reading: The Only Planet of Choice in it's entirety
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/contents.htm

What I say now is my own opinion as an non-adept looking at the data and my own conclusions:

To achieve our prison break we need activate our DNA by utilizing more of our heart chakra of the emerald green.
Since the chakras are windows to the soul we may be concentrating too much on the power chakras of the crown and throat.
Starting lower in the heart looks like it is better place to start raising the vibration of the collective..love and life is more understood in this density by the collective. The steady pressure against the bars will cause the collective to move in a less destructive way to higher vibration during the break out.

If we use the power chakras too much we would be lacking finesse: How do you open a door? With a jackhammer or a battering ram..or just turn the knob? I don't want to see my Fundamentalist Christian, Fundamentalist Moslem or Orthodox Jewish brothers being left behind wading through centuries of distortions before figuring out how reality really works....they are our friends and teachers, we need them with us too..they will be and always will be part of our evolution.. within our disagreements with them at times are truely the seeds of wisdom.

To all reading this I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[sirac]

Interesting things happen here, & interesting knowledge is dropped,

Indeed Nemeth, i see your have systemized the explaination, , now i feel slightly more at home
{within something called Mayan Dreamspell i learnt of the multivariateness of personality. one personality by its functions overlaps with others in clans, one being part of many clans}....of our clan ... men of this node {i have not seen women yet, i'm honest, but i have seen the likes of Kerry feeding us}, of this node function ..welcome Nemeth,welcome myself.

tothe...i'll have a look at that. indeed if one is aware of themself & has built their own chakra then 'crown' & 'throat' chakras would be dominant. emerald is a dominant colour with the riches of Soloman. & indeed if he was an apex, then i need to find on what his technique was about {{know u didn't say that, but i enter it through the gate which is best for me}}

...serendipidy, u [tothe] have raized it, & it has been on my spirit.
..but again i cannot now speak of it in full context...but veiled in a window sothat those of the putative 5 worlds may access what they want..
--damn, i can speak of it by so many narratives, but what is the core of the spirit & what is eminent for now.
"indeed secularization posited judism islam & christianity at opposing ends of the spectrum (i mention christianity last, cause it has no tradition relative to the others, almost lacking those structures, but what can be said of it is that it was the wide-dest phase barrier which allowed the most promalguation of consciousness,..that is however why i despise them,.. its like a good car that becomes fashionable, & by virtue of becoming fashionable, actually becoming out,.. like the bmw, it is still my houses primary car, & when i'm in it nothing behind that wheel surpasses me in skill)"
..now that i've wasted my time on you, consider the highest strongest and most ancient clan have left those of christianity islam & judism to rot in their own flesh, letting them emigrate on mass to the Full Eastern religions, while they took the central tenets of all 3 of those and became stronger and more eminent beyond imagination.
infact seen from my perspective in my world window, these are why the flows of secularization have been allowed to continue, & why christianity especially is being allowed to die a slow death in the public domain, so-that people abandon those 'strength structures', those idiots, those supposed rulers of the world, will then come forth with their treasure.(interesting, i must apply they technique of domination in a more mundane setting...deceiving the masses to leave the treasure)

[WhiteFeather]

"Enlightenment is not a process, but a sudden leap".

[sirac]

"Enlightenment is not a process, but a sudden leap".

all of these multivariate responses of what enlightment is, each true, but are we now using bling as a weapon here....{i.e. to disqualify the seeming 'wonderings of some{myself}'}

9eagle9, beautiful post.
i know a secret alogory in Job about the soul.
the watching beast (from amongst the reeds) who sets his mouth to the river & drinks everything

[TOTHE]

Interesting things happen here, & interesting knowledge is dropped,.....


Sirac:
It is balance, you already are familiar with the powers..time to give the heart dominance at this time to move the collective. We individually cannot move forward unless the collective moves with us, we are bound to it because we birthed in it. You signed on for this job by birthing into it and like my favorite Christian brother, Dannion Brinkley says "you da man!". So, Sirac, lets work on the compassion bit for a while...let it become your whole personality and that vibration of yours will be added to the collective. Note too that Jesus when he returned from India he had an idea of the structure of the Universe but did not waste too much time explaining quantum physics to tribal leaders, nomads and the enslaved Roman occupied civic population. His main concern in his ministry was to teach compassion and raise the collective vibration. Good heavens at that time the Patriarchy believed in slavery that included reducing the role of women to almost slavery...times were bad then, slightly better now because of Jesus planting the seed back than.

Kabalistic arts on how the Universe is structured is useless on a collective bound in tribalism, power and enslavement. Lessons on compassion, love, respect for life and related context how it fits into the structure of Universe will be much easier for the collective suffering wise.

About the great pillars of religion and their thoughforms residing the etheric bands: there is deception and also great wisdom. If you are aware and balanced it will be no problem to find the wisdom of the great teachers who stand in their truth. It is a small minority within the contingent of the priests or (false) masters who screw up the original message who are a problem because of the inherent imbalances within the collective. Raising the collective vibration to compassion will bring the words of the Great Masters down from the ages back into the forefront of the collective consciousness with less distortion...for there is an army of true priests and masters of whom are aware and keeping the original message alive.

Sirac, all I have said is my opinion and not intended to change your reality but to add to your awareness of reality without prejudice.

Because I mentioned Jesus, a good reference not much distortion:
The Lost Years of Jesus: Documentary Evidence of Jesus's 17-Year Journey to the East, by Elizabeth Clare Prophet

Original manuscript within the text here lacks distortion, Chapter 12 is awesome...complete text & of all 101 verses in 14 chapters:

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicholas Notovich
http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_unknown_life.asp

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.

[nomadguy]

interesting "Nalanda"
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5HDjgyk5r4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4QuYXGLr-A

[sirac]

Interesting things happen here, & interesting knowledge is dropped,.....


Sirac:
It is balance, you already are familiar with the powers..time to give the heart dominance at this time to move the collective. We individually cannot move forward unless the collective moves with us, we are bound to it because we birthed in it. You signed on for this job by birthing into it and like my favorite Christian brother, Dannion Brinkley says "you da man!". So, Sirac, lets work on the compassion bit for a while...let it become your whole personality and that vibration of yours will be added to the collective. Note too that Jesus when he returned from India he had an idea of the structure of the Universe but did not waste too much time explaining quantum physics to tribal leaders, nomads and the enslaved Roman occupied civic population. His main concern in his ministry was to teach compassion and raise the collective vibration. Good heavens at that time the Patriarchy believed in slavery that included reducing the role of women to almost slavery...times were bad then, slightly better now because of Jesus planting the seed back than.

Kabalistic arts on how the Universe is structured is useless on a collective bound in tribalism, power and enslavement. Lessons on compassion, love, respect for life and related context how it fits into the structure of Universe will be much easier for the collective suffering wise.

About the great pillars of religion and their thoughforms residing the etheric bands: there is deception and also great wisdom. If you are aware and balanced it will be no problem to find the wisdom of the great teachers who stand in their truth. It is a small minority within the contingent of the priests or (false) masters who screw up the original message who are a problem because of the inherent imbalances within the collective. Raising the collective vibration to compassion will bring the words of the Great Masters down from the ages back into the forefront of the collective consciousness with less distortion...for there is an army of true priests and masters of whom are aware and keeping the original message alive.

Sirac, all I have said is my opinion and not intended to change your reality but to add to your awareness of reality without prejudice.

Because I mentioned Jesus, a good reference not much distortion:
The Lost Years of Jesus: Documentary Evidence of Jesus's 17-Year Journey to the East, by Elizabeth Clare Prophet

Original manuscript within the text here lacks distortion, Chapter 12 is awesome...complete text & of all 101 verses in 14 chapters:

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ by Nicholas Notovich
http://www.atmajyoti.org/sw_unknown_life.asp

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.

I leave your quote in full, cause i am throughly impressed by your tone.
don't worry, before i entered here, i already came with a plan to diffuse 'my as by your eyes seen aberant energy'
...the only problem i have now is the time to devote to it.

i may seem overly brash.
but that is the way i act amongst the educated & those who are priveledged enough to be able to [think &]talk.

the priveledge of being able to think (i know thinking is despised as a path by those here& anywhere generally), is really a priveledge.
the most enlightened people & the people closest to my soul energy {the observation has a breaking effect on me} are actually the down & outs of society...
the old beggars who are waiting to die.
that is why i beleive some things are incredibly unjust, & which is why i tend to want to believe in an ascension event.
however i look with despise on the middle class of the world, their pleasure mongering making this dimension heavier & the probablity of an ascension event even more improbable

[Ernie Nemeth]

Sirac

I feel your connection and it is palpable. My heart feels the strength in your words. I can feel your striving, your yearning, your sacrifice. Or is it my own? Perhaps both? Neither?

Thinking is over-rated.

Peace

[sirac]

Sirac

I feel your connection and it is palpable. My heart feels the strength in your words. I can feel your striving, your yearning, your sacrifice. Or is it my own? Perhaps both? Neither?

Thinking is over-rated.

Peace

multiple choice for paragraph 1....all of the above. esp. neither[its over perspective of the path which would tend to say neither], maybe not our yearning but the yearning of the earth to all those who would hear. we are a unique seed, a unique equivalent for this time (this must always be within our phase meditation)

thinking is over-rated, perhaps it is hearing...but i like thinking, so-many things can potentiate within it correlate within it, it is an intensely enthusing area

have you ever heard of the MTBI or Socionics personality system. it is merely worth-while to know the final indicator of the MTBI one...that of J or P
J standing for judgement and P for perceptive.
the data processing of the J is linear. the data processing of the P is dotted, it could jump between beginning and end & concentrate on middle.
its worthwhile to know your own to organize your systems in potentiation of that

[Yoda]

Inelia's latest audio recording,she answers the Annunaki question.

http://thehundredthmonkeyradio.com/inelia-benz.html
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Yoda]

Inelia Benz, lots of French articles, and video with French subtitles.

http://www.ascension101.com/fr/

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[giovonni]

Greetings,

This seems like the right place to share this with all here...

From Tom & Ramon's ~ One Hundredth Radio's program ~ Inelia Benz

Note- this interview was recorded July 18, 2011 and was broadcast today Sunday July 24, 2011

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR52h7a-d_x-1j9v4Pzis4ezuQGHWcUM_Q-IWcePMjq4dy-L7WCRQ
Listen here:
http://thehundredthmonkeyradio.com/inelia-benz.html

[TOTHE]

Searching

Who are you, anyhow?

I Am that I Am.

What is your name?

I have many names; Father- Mother-
Source- Allah- Divine Presence-
Creative Energy- Supreme Being- God

Do you have a body?

I am not a physical being. I am
Spiritual Energy.

How can I find you?

You can feel my presence , if you
bcome conscious of it.

When can I find you?

In the pure eyes of a newborn; the
voice of the singer; the hand of the
surgeon, pilot, artist; the roar of the
ocean; the fragrance of a flower.

What holds me back from experiencing life more fully?

False beliefs. Stop identifying with your
past. Forgive anyone who may have
disappointed you.

What is my purpose in life?

To reach for greater understanding of
your spiritual heritage- to view the
world as your playground- to live life
fully enjoying each day.

Will you always be there? Even when I die?

Of course, my bloved child. There
is no beginning, and there is no end-
I will never forsake you. Life is Eternal.

Edie Jurmain, "Searching," Science of Mind November (2003): p 58
note: Edie is an Holocaust Survivor

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.

[TOTHE]

Bringers of The Dawn by Barbara Marciniak:

This is the book that started it all in 1992 with the Lightworkers. This information is from one of the advanced lower civilizations, not like The Nine whom are non physical light, older and closer to the Collective of the Source. The transmitters of this information seem genuine in their noncommittal intention to help us raise our vibration because we are holding back on the evolution of the Universe. For us common folk (well, me in particular) it won't hurt to know this stuff and own it. Anything that helps us rewire our DNA & raise our vibration is important, IMO. There is physical confirmation in the Sumerian Tablets, Spiritual confirmation if you follow your intuition, medical confirmation as in if you have studied biotechnology and have knowledge of quantum physics. There is wisdom here. There may be distortions as this information was channeled, I would feel more comfortable if the receiver got her information shielded while sitting in a Faraday Cage...but that is my skeptical and suspicious nature to question everything from the etheric bands.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/esp_pleyades_14.htm

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.

[WhiteFeather]

Bringers of The Dawn by Barbara Marciniak:

This is the book that started it all in 1992 with the Lightworkers. This information is from one of the advanced lower civilizations, not like The Nine whom are non physical light, older and closer to the Collective of the Source. The transmitters of this information seem genuine in their noncommittal intention to help us raise our vibration because we are holding back on the evolution of the Universe. For us common folk (well, me in particular) it won't hurt to know this stuff and own it. Anything that helps us rewire our DNA & raise our vibration is important, IMO. There is physical confirmation in the Sumerian Tablets, Spiritual confirmation if you follow your intuition, medical confirmation as in if you have studied biotechnology and have knowledge of quantum physics. There is wisdom here. There may be distortions as this information was channeled, I would feel more comfortable if the receiver got her information shielded while sitting in a Faraday Cage...but that is my skeptical and suspicious nature to question everything from the etheric bands.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/esp_pleyades_14.htm

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7l0cJL7e4w

[WhiteFeather]

Bringers Of The Dawn Is Just, Great Stuff.

[meredith]

If Tom & Ramon are Avalon members, I'd like to thank them. I really enjoyed this interview.



Greetings,

This seems like the right place to share this with all here...

From Tom & Ramon's ~ One Hundredth Radio's program ~ Inelia Benz

Note- this interview was recorded July 18, 2011 and was broadcast today Sunday July 24, 2011

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR52h7a-d_x-1j9v4Pzis4ezuQGHWcUM_Q-IWcePMjq4dy-L7WCRQ
Listen here:
http://thehundredthmonkeyradio.com/inelia-benz.html

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi All,

In the same sort of light as Bringers of the Dawn is the author Ken Carey, "The Third Millenium, The Starseed Transmissions".
Here is a link to an interview:
http://www.ascension1.com/resources/10-ken-carey-interview-loving-planet-each-other.html

I really enjoyed his books.

[Ade]

Apologises if this has been discussed here before but it strikes me that Inelia must be one of the souls that Dolores Cannon talks about, but does not need regression hypnosis to know this? I feel that this being revealing her self is the start of the 'fight' back,if 'fight is the right word of the Light. I see much corelation between the truth Inelia shares and the work of george Kavasillas and the guy ( whose name escapes me) who is an indigo with total recall I think his name is M Stefano? The 'Baddies' have had their day! their day, the narrative they constructed is colapsing by the day. My small contribution is to grow vegetables and share them freely with my neighbours. Insignificant I know but it is done in love, and people have began to resiprocate. One of them has a plum tree which fruits prolifically, before most of the fruit rotted on the ground, this year we've organised to make jam with the surplus! It's a small start I know but the energy has changed .People were suspicious at first ( I live in the innercity of Birmingham) But now some of my neighbours are talking about specialising, so Mr J will grow potatos, Mr P on fruit. It is a beautiful experience to give someone a cabbage which was grown in their neighbourhood. Hope this isnt too far off topic?

[Ade]

" When the power of love over comes the love of power, the World will change." James Marshal Hendrix" RIP. Thank you Inelia from the very depths of my being.

[TOTHE]

Apologises if this has been discussed here before but it strikes me that Inelia must be one of the souls that Dolores Cannon talks about, but does not need regression hypnosis to know this? I feel that this being revealing her self is the start of the 'fight' back,if 'fight is the right word of the Light. I see much corelation between the truth Inelia shares and the work of george Kavasillas and the guy ( whose name escapes me) who is an indigo with total recall I think his name is M Stefano? The 'Baddies' have had their day! their day, the narrative they constructed is colapsing by the day. My small contribution is to grow vegetables and share them freely with my neighbours. Insignificant I know but it is done in love, and people have began to resiprocate. One of them has a plum tree which fruits prolifically, before most of the fruit rotted on the ground, this year we've organised to make jam with the surplus! It's a small start I know but the energy has changed .People were suspicious at first ( I live in the innercity of Birmingham) But now some of my neighbours are talking about specialising, so Mr J will grow potatos, Mr P on fruit. It is a beautiful experience to give someone a cabbage which was grown in their neighbourhood. Hope this isnt too far off topic?

Ade;
That would be cool if Inelia could hook up with Dolores Cannon! I never tied the two together in that concept.

You are doing your part unconsciously to raise the collective vibration by teaming up with your neighbors in a communal effort to raise vegetables on the limited land space you can find in the inner city. Great job!

Suggestion forRed Cabbage, it is loaded with iron.
Suggestion for Purslane, a common weed that seems to come with my Home Depot potting soil, is loaded with omegas..the highest of any edible leaf vegetable.

link to another message board where I posted this complete information.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=65249266

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love tenacity and courage.

[EileenCookies]

Ascension, enlightenment, to wake up are terms to describe a person surrendering their physical needs for the alternative, a 'spiritual needs' lifestyle.

What does your spirit want? might be a better question to ask. My teacher use to say follow your bliss. And there is more energy required to do the spiritual work (verses the physical).

I prefer to educate people about the reality of this earth manifestation. Rather than collecting odds and ends that do nothing for the spiritual being, put energy into manifesting the wealth of information spirit has to offer.

Some people feel living a life style that is more about giving than receiving is right for them and that is what they need.
Some go a step further and want to alieve all suffering. The choice is always yours which path you are on.

If you choose the hardest path, living from your truth, then eventually, you will retire from all the physical manifestations on this
plane of existence. Not everyone can handle the journey. So always support your fellow 'sufferer reliever',...their job is big.

eileen

[Elle]

Each and every one of us are manifestation/a little part of 'consciousness'; 'conciousness¡ that experience itself in infinites ways... as humans, plants, rocks, animals, insects, planets, galaxies, etc. Isn't it wonderful to know each of us contribute (in our own ways) with a bit (but important) part of that huge 'wisdom' (just to say a word, not sure if 'wisdom' is the 'correct' one).

[NeverMind]

Hello,

I've been trying to "catch up" with the writing and theories of some of the people oft mentioned here, specifically Inelia Benz.
Now, I see there are lots of wonderful minds and hearts here, but frankly, many also appear to be very easily offended or "trigger-happy", so I am almost afraid to ask... Nah, I'll ask anyway. :)

Ms. Benz says (on her website, I think) that she has the ability of remote viewing, and that she does it "easily".
I was wondering, would she consider remote-viewing the whereabouts and/or fate of some missing people, like the McCann girl. I am sure it would be very worthwhile because it would put an end to an awful lot of heartbreak.

I understand the possible concern that success in such a high-profile case might cause an avalanche of similar requests; but this could be easily avoided in various manners.

So, that's it, basically.
I only thought of this because of the recent (non)developments in the McCann case. I once knew a person whose child went missing, so I can picture the pain all too easily.

[sirac]

Nevermind,
you are speaking of the people of a certain node awareness. i am sure their are some who have dedicated their life to this. if for those who choose it, it is not a path without its dangers. one has to figure out for themselves if they are that antiseed to the evil one. one who has exercised this that you might know of is Credo Mutwa, & one knows of his path that the greatest strategic he uncovered was to do with the .... and hence his association with .... .
Just saying this, for it seems to me inelia is in another strategic interaction zone, her hands are so to speak just for the interaction zone or toil of the evils of a certain class,..it's amongst us interhumans. (seems like that, disregard sirac's voice..he interdescribes) .if so, if it is then amongst us then another intuitive of inelia's subclass would readily help u

[NeverMind]

I think I understand, Sirac.
(Words are very tricky - much trickier than many people realise - so one cannot be careful enough with interpretation. :-)

Thank you very much for your reply.

[EileenCookies]

When I remote view it isn't that I wanted it, it just comes to me. Unasked,....in a way. It usually follows my intention (before I went to bed).
I havn't tried to find missing persons, ....as I havn't tried to look into lots of evil. I have had enough trouble already with it. I use it for healing....period. Healing of the planet, of people (in mass) etc. Looking mostly to heal any imbalances in my own self.

I have tried to find missing animals....usually I just find out what happened to them and not a location. Got me how this functions....and what rules pervail. I just follow instinctively.

[NeverMind]

When I remote view it isn't that I wanted it, it just comes to me. Unasked,....in a way. It usually follows my intention (before I went to bed).
I havn't tried to find missing persons, ....as I havn't tried to look into lots of evil.

Indeed, usually people cannot choose to look into "nice" things only, when they're open to imagery or whatever path they practice.
When those doors open you MAY very well see the proverbial lottery numbers - but everything else could also come flooding in.
Who could blame you for not wanting to risk seeing terrible things?
Once you see something you cannot un-see it.

Thank you very much for replying. :)
It's always interesting and useful to read about people's practices and experiences.

[EileenCookies]

If I worked with others with similar intent, I might be able to handle more information (evil). Though it could just be endangering their lives as well. It isn't a risk I feel like others should take for me.

I have attempted remote viewing (for concern for others) of places that I ended up having to defend myself (psychically) afterwards. Inelia might have a way around such evil-ness. I just move on.

I would rather not give out any ideas....so not to lead someone astray.

Now, big disasters is another story. Being able to help out magically is helpful and encouraged. I never run aground in those type of remote viewing situations/opportunities to give aid/guidance.

[StephenW11UK]

Hi Yoda, I did enjoy watching the interview with Inelia, thank you. Also, though, may I use this reply to ask Inelia a personal question unrelated to what she was saying here? I don't know how else to go about getting the information I need.

Hello Inelia,

There seem to be at least two prominent advanced human beings who are saying that it would be wise to consider seriously where some of the beings offering us teachings and learning programmes are really coming from.

Most of them, they say, are perhaps still caught up to some extent in this imprisoning matrix, so if we follow their advice we are in fact not only giving our power away but also limiting our possible spiritual growth. They claim that even some ascended masters who, although their vibrational level is far superior to ours, are still operating within the field of influence of the Annunaki and others like them.

So my question is, Inelia, is it at all possible that the Ancient Wisdom Templates that Lucia is giving away freely could have been contaminated, maybe millennia or more ago, by some very powerful Dark entity or entities?

My very best wishes for your work 'down here',

Stephen

[EileenCookies]

I can only speak for myself but I currently avoid all downloaded material...period. I tried out every one I have run into and they all just gave me bad intel (negative). I will stick to the old fashion method of self discovery alone.....
Who knows why it doesn't effect everyone (but I have my guesses). But I will add that those selling these devices are not clear human beings (clear of their karma, present, in the now, awake etc.). Again, using discernment for ones own evolvement is best. Then you know where the information is coming from....oneness. And I don't mind not being agreed with. I can only state what happen to me (I can give specifics ....but I listened to those Lucia talks, two of them, and they only resonate to a certain level. Stuck is stuck. Even nicely stuck.

[NeverMind]

The origins of any "channelled" information is a very important and valid question, in my opinion. You - meaning anyone - never can know, with absolute certainty, where or whom something is coming from.
To put it purposefully simplistically: if I were, say (just a metaphor), the "devil", I would not advertise my identity, would I? :-) No, rather I would mimic the most pleasant and "enlightened" discourses I could find.

Personally I do not pay any attention to any "channelled" information. I'd like to stress that I am not saying they are necessarily bogus or harmful or anything; it's just that their origins, and even their relevance to ALL people (as opposed to individuals), are inevitably dubious and disputable.

[sirac]

Hi Yoda, I did enjoy watching the interview with Inelia, thank you. Also, though, may I use this reply to ask Inelia a personal question unrelated to what she was saying here? I don't know how else to go about getting the information I need.

Hello Inelia,

There seem to be at least two prominent advanced human beings who are saying that it would be wise to consider seriously where some of the beings offering us teachings and learning programmes are really coming from.

Most of them, they say, are perhaps still caught up to some extent in this imprisoning matrix, so if we follow their advice we are in fact not only giving our power away but also limiting our possible spiritual growth. They claim that even some ascended masters who, although their vibrational level is far superior to ours, are still operating within the field of influence of the Annunaki and others like them.

So my question is, Inelia, is it at all possible that the Ancient Wisdom Templates that Lucia is giving away freely could have been contaminated, maybe millennia or more ago, by some very powerful Dark entity or entities?

My very best wishes for your work 'down here',

Stephen

StephenW11UK,
certainly in your post you describe the Golden Knife of Avalon, or any thinking place - where what is coming from, when why what does it alter, is it altering my disposition.
came here, structure certainly is very striking, even i can feel there is a niggingness i'd like someone of the authority index of inelia to answer.
but this is attenuated when one considers the position of the filter...all of us have filtered here otherwise we'd not be amongst other filterers.
but great great great,
in one side an imprisoning matrix...and yes u imply definitely that there are masters that continue or perpetuate their 'energy'[perhaps] to keep the matrix system in the present state (..that is most people maximally bound up).
u know master speak as of a power bound is new to me, for me it was always the primary place of breaking, like that in a philosophers hand. i also thought on reality, what i can say is that the system tends in a great state of flux circular everything leading to everything, self reinforcing. much depends on the instinct of spirit..to relate this to you, i have to depend on a facet that i know where i am, and that i am in state of dependence on the dance of my spirit, even hunger and biting is in its power.
i know not yet of lucia, but when i encounter her, a new set of enemies i'll have, & it may just be so not her, but my view that would be co-suplicated under her bridge. this is how all encounters with the teachers go, its all about the individuals in the end.

kindly sir, what are the lucia plates, to save me the sweat?

[Pete]

Thank you, Bill. I have a sense that Inelia offers a very important perspective, as well as some essential tools for many of us. At this point in time, there is an enormous shifting of energies - learning to work with one own energy and processes is critical- and I have given it top priority in my own life. The time is now. Thank you for having the courage to walk this path. I know there are many who are unhappy with Avalon and the direction it is headed. So be it. Nothing can be all things to all people. We must each listen to our own heart's widsom. Thanks to both you and to Inelia for stepping forward to help show the way. Namaste.

yes this resonates with the the way I feel now, I am prepared to drop everything to concentrate my efforts to this endeavour. It feels to me that that the time is upon us.

a single fibre of hemp is pliable but when joined by many others becomes a rope of immense strength, we all have our part to play.

[Inelia]

Hi Yoda, I did enjoy watching the interview with Inelia, thank you. Also, though, may I use this reply to ask Inelia a personal question unrelated to what she was saying here? I don't know how else to go about getting the information I need.

Hello Inelia,

There seem to be at least two prominent advanced human beings who are saying that it would be wise to consider seriously where some of the beings offering us teachings and learning programmes are really coming from.

Most of them, they say, are perhaps still caught up to some extent in this imprisoning matrix, so if we follow their advice we are in fact not only giving our power away but also limiting our possible spiritual growth. They claim that even some ascended masters who, although their vibrational level is far superior to ours, are still operating within the field of influence of the Annunaki and others like them.

So my question is, Inelia, is it at all possible that the Ancient Wisdom Templates that Lucia is giving away freely could have been contaminated, maybe millennia or more ago, by some very powerful Dark entity or entities?

My very best wishes for your work 'down here',

Stephen

Hi StephenW11UK,

This is something that each individual need to discern for themselves. Not just about the templates, but about EVERY word or tool they hear, or are offered, from others. By asking someone else to judge the tool for us, we give our power away. No structure, tool or teaching can entrap. This is also a giving away of power. We can remove anything that has been place on us, or that we place on our selves, at any moment.

Any fear that a tool might be contaminated has to be looked at and processed. Once the fear is processed, the information of whether it was or wasn't will arrive. We learn how to use, and trust, our own guidance system at all times.

[Curt]

Hi Yoda, I did enjoy watching the interview with Inelia, thank you. Also, though, may I use this reply to ask Inelia a personal question unrelated to what she was saying here? I don't know how else to go about getting the information I need.

Hello Inelia,

There seem to be at least two prominent advanced human beings who are saying that it would be wise to consider seriously where some of the beings offering us teachings and learning programmes are really coming from.

Most of them, they say, are perhaps still caught up to some extent in this imprisoning matrix, so if we follow their advice we are in fact not only giving our power away but also limiting our possible spiritual growth. They claim that even some ascended masters who, although their vibrational level is far superior to ours, are still operating within the field of influence of the Annunaki and others like them.

So my question is, Inelia, is it at all possible that the Ancient Wisdom Templates that Lucia is giving away freely could have been contaminated, maybe millennia or more ago, by some very powerful Dark entity or entities?

My very best wishes for your work 'down here',

Stephen

Hi StephenW11UK,

This is something that each individual need to discern for themselves. Not just about the templates, but about EVERY word or tool they hear, or are offered, from others. By asking someone else to judge the tool for us, we give our power away. No structure, tool or teaching can entrap. This is also a giving away of power. We can remove anything that has been place on us, or that we place on our selves, at any moment.

Any fear that a tool might be contaminated has to be looked at and processed. Once the fear is processed, the information of whether it was or wasn't will arrive. We learn how to use, and trust, our own guidance system at all times.

Hello Inelia,

I enjoyed the video with Bill. It was very refreshing and seemed different somehow from lots of other information being offered--or it least it is different from the information I've come across. I feel that the information was a good counterpoint to lots of the Gloomy Gus material floating around at the minute. I have to admit, I often get sidetracked by the negative info, and by the disaster scenarios, etc. It can become a form of pornography at a certain point. Do you have any advice on how to balance the need to discover how things work--even the dark stuff--with the need to be a positive person who isn't completely distrustful of each and all? I admit, some of the information I've read/watched/listened to leaves me even suspicious of my own motives half the time. LOL. Also, lots of times there will be this or that horrible information about a public person, and then I'll see them smiling on the news or singing karaoke and it's hard to reconcile the two 'faces'--or to know what to believe to begin with--to know how to integrate the new dark information with the image already in mind of a relatively decent person. Some would call this cognitive dissonance. I certainly experience this quite a bit. Perhaps many of us do. What advice do you have on how do deal with any or all of this?

Thanks very much for your time and for your presence on this forum and on this planet!

[Inelia]

Hi CurtisW,

With regard judging people from what we hear others say about them, I am personally not very interested in the person as much as I am about their work. I look at it, see if it resonates, if it does I take it and use it myself. If it doesn't then I leave it behind. What they do with their personal life, or what they are labeled as, is not really relevant. Often someone's work will resonate with me in part only, like they got the gem, but then covered it in other stuff. So, I remove the stuff and keep the gem.

If I have to work with the person, then I go day by day and observer them. If there are red flags, I address them directly with the person. It is the person's response that allows me to see if I can continue working with him or her, or not.

As to the huge amount of negative information on the airwaves right now, it is advisable to spend time tapping into the larger (yeah larger) amount of love, compassion, inspiration, creativity, passion and decency generated by humans in the planet every single second of linear time, at least once a day :)

[Curt]

Hi CurtisW,

With regard judging people from what we hear others say about them, I am personally not very interested in the person as much as I am about their work. I look at it, see if it resonates, if it does I take it and use it myself. If it doesn't then I leave it behind. What they do with their personal life, or what they are labeled as, is not really relevant. Often someone's work will resonate with me in part only, like they got the gem, but then covered it in other stuff. So, I remove the stuff and keep the gem.

If I have to work with the person, then I go day by day and observer them. If there are red flags, I address them directly with the person. It is the person's response that allows me to see if I can continue working with him or her, or not.

As to the huge amount of negative information on the airwaves right now, it is advisable to spend time tapping into the larger (yeah larger) amount of love, compassion, inspiration, creativity, passion and decency generated by humans in the planet every single second of linear time, at least once a day :)

Thank you. This is something I'll reflect on...It is much appreciated.

[LesliesFarm]

Apologises if this has been discussed here before but it strikes me that Inelia must be one of the souls that Dolores Cannon talks about, but does not need regression hypnosis to know this? I feel that this being revealing her self is the start of the 'fight' back,if 'fight is the right word of the Light. I see much corelation between the truth Inelia shares and the work of george Kavasillas and the guy ( whose name escapes me) who is an indigo with total recall I think his name is M Stefano? The 'Baddies' have had their day! their day, the narrative they constructed is colapsing by the day. My small contribution is to grow vegetables and share them freely with my neighbours. Insignificant I know but it is done in love, and people have began to resiprocate. One of them has a plum tree which fruits prolifically, before most of the fruit rotted on the ground, this year we've organised to make jam with the surplus! It's a small start I know but the energy has changed .People were suspicious at first ( I live in the innercity of Birmingham) But now some of my neighbours are talking about specialising, so Mr J will grow potatos, Mr P on fruit. It is a beautiful experience to give someone a cabbage which was grown in their neighbourhood. Hope this isnt too far off topic?

Thank you for telling about what you are doing. As I work in my garden, I think about creating just that!!! We're having a terrible drought, down here in Texas, but I think I will expand on my next planting. Homegrown veggies and fruits during a 150year drought? That will open some minds as to what is possible! We CAN take care of ourselves.

Leslie

[StephenW11UK]

First, sirac, Lucia René has recovered these templates from a supposedly very ancient site. They have information in them of a vibrational kind that is said to help those who take them into their energy body to raise their level of consciousness fairly quickly.

Last year Lucia, an advanced mystic, published a book, Unplugging the Patriarchy. From the in-depth research she did about the Elite and their relationship to the 5 000-year-old male-dominated age that is still largely with us she has produced a practical programme for women, enabling them to free themselves from that long karmic journey

Here are a few words from the lady herself about the Templates: "The templates are exquisite snowflake-like structures in the astral planes that are encoded with light—information about every aspect of awakened embodiment. They were placed on earth at the beginning of this grand experiment in consciousness so humans would have a template for how to embody universality". http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com and click on Offerings

Bill did an interview with Lucia René earlier this year - IMO one of his great interviews.

sirac, you may still be wondering how Inelia is connected to all of this. Well, she and Lucia have worked together quite a bit, at vibrational levels much higher than those that many of us Avalonians are familiar with - working with high-up menbers of the Elite and dealing appropriately with them. If interested, same website and April 30 Lucia Teleconference

Best wishes, Stephen

[StephenW11UK]

Hi Inelia,

And it didn't even occur to me that I was giving my power away!

Thank you your series of wise comments - very much appreciated.

Stephen

[sirac]

Thank-you StephenW11UK,
don't have much time to spend myself on an accurate statement.
glad in one sense our teachers, or teachers of such eminence as Inelia (& what i've process assumed of L from your hearing) and Lucia are working together ...{where they should work together on a process variable so complex it can only be trusted to the best}
but i must say something of my own heart,
not a woman, so not having to be free'd from a veil of oppression [as that] (but others i have had),
a basic logical thing i must induce, and as from logic it may seem as a stumbling block which indeed it is to many things including my own acceptance,
in my heart,
though spectres may have been controlled by a male hierachy,
yet i feel that we where never men.
(for in the traditional as evolved from this earth process variable, in this ..a traditional male female set where in that set the female only receives what to do, rather than being privy to decision making),
in my sense,
we have always been women, for we have merely received,
and if their was a process hierachy above us, they to merely received, even the highest man being nothing more in that spirit than a pitiable woman for having received such.
i've only said enough to get me into high trouble, bbut let the trouble come first then i'll process evaluate this statement, or come up with anotherr higher statement in time (normal observation of my process)

thank-u Inelia mostly

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Hello Houston Control: Do you read me? Can you copy?

There is something serious that needs to be said in this link about now. Many of you keep addressing Inelia and asking for answers. Yet you fail to notice that she is not responding, and hasn't responded for a very long time.

Does someone need to keep bringing this to your attention and are you really not seeing this? This thread has taken on a life of it's own but it's getting more off-topic by the day.

Sometimes no matter how hard we try, things go amiss. No matter how much we desire for things to have happy endings, they don't work out to our expectations and those are dashed to the ground. In order to move forward once again and enable ourselves to regain our balance it's necessary to heal all wounds. Dust ourselves off and regroup our senses.

This is such a time on Avalon in the present moment.

Just like when Charles was a brief flash in the pan, there is a certain amount of fawning still present here for him and for Inelia. It's a shadow of something dark and illusive that could have been bright but is not. I can't quite put my finger on it and apparently I am not alone in this regard. Something reeks here and it has nothing to do with the price of butter in Denmark.

Inelia has been seen present in the house on Avalon but chooses not to answer any of the questions posted in this link. And this is her link and under Bill's stewardship.

Can you see this for yourself? This sign that she is on to new adventures? She was here and now she isn't participating further. How many hours and days need to go by without any response from her or Bill before we will finally "get it?"

It would be refreshing to get these old shadows out of Avalon and the file section about now. Just sweep threads like this off the main screen, as they no longer are valid or worthwhile for anyone involved. These are choices, of course, and they certainly are not mine to make but I would like to put forward this suggestion of housecleaning in the files of Avalon. These include all the ones for Atticus, too.

Keep the video interviews but get the rest of these bad memories off the main focus areas. They are no longer of value. It seems clear, at least to me that this one is going nowhere fast. More than a dozen questions blow in the wind in this thread alone and there are many other areas where this now applies.

Another dozen are in threads concerned about Bill and where he is and if he's okay. I would suggest that he is NOT okay and won't be until some housecleaning is done on Avalon that doesn't make him sick to his stomach signing on here. We need to help him out. Take hurtful things out of his vista and our own. What hurts Bill, hurts all of us as well. It's not necessary or productive to leave these things up front when they need to be placed in the back 40 acres of Avalon about now. This is just IMHO.

If this is done, might he return? Yes, I think so...this would be a great incentive for his return. We need to put forth a little effort in this regard to make it possible that he can return. Some understanding is needed along with a broom and dustpan.

Inelia has not participated much if at all, since the opening and fizzling of her new website with Bill and the conference in Peru. Now Bill is absent even from his own forum. How did this happen and what are the ramifications of these events?

Inelia is now working with someone else in a whole different direction that does not include Avalon or Bill. In fact, conferences with Bill have been cancelled.

"Scottie, do you read me?" Draw your own conclusions. Neither of them are going to speak about these matters.

When will you realize that Inelia is in some ways a new Rock Star of the Enlightenment groups and Avalon is no longer her chosen platform. It was for only a very brief time and now this time has ended. She was here for a short time and has moved on now. There is no getting that toothpaste back into the tube on this point.

It should be obvious to anyone that Inelia could answer but doesn't choose to do so. Why might that be? Bill is not present. Again this is not Rocket Science.

Many of us love and care about Bill and it seems clear ~ he is recovering from something ~ might it be shock and awe. What do you think might have happened?

Avalonians. We need to move on now. Quit kicking a dead horse. Do you think if you post another ton of questions to her and continue to do so, Inelia will be forced to answer them? Her silence should be answer enough for all of us. It is for me.

Thank you for hearing me out in this matter of the heart, or at least, Bill's heart and so it is...

[sirac]

i thought of coming, i processed what i'd do. sorry for now Darla, i cannot now read your post,

i expressed it in the spirit but now processing the charge as it were from another socionic node would destroy the ability of genuinitive incorporative activity.
here was it in the previous process flow, a more exactitude i planned to set on my statement.

i said to myself i can't process it so long it will become altered by too much narrative round flow, but i cannot say it directly from its full push matrix least
lets seee how we can jump into it, contexting has to support parts so excuse unimbivivocilies, so its imagined that a better contexting model for the relative forms would at some future time manifest, but here done mere so that its process flow is not unimbiviquated

a
so considering that men were never men

b
they have to know that process models are never perfect, they describe an ideal, we can fit it on a system to describe the dynamic system, but it never comes close as it is in flux, and higher something something of a dynamic system would tend to fluid or change or introduce new dynamic sets (considering measurement of certain dynamic sets).. an ideal system fits over the model and tends to come in especially when fluid.

c.
ideal systems.
in one process flow, signiture is defined by personality process parameter. many subtypes of subtypes. but in ideal form, 16. divided into 4 groups of 4. members of each quadrant processes informing each other...person being each other (yes heidegger, thanx for intro philo of being). Interaction amongst the 4 flowing in secession..one group to the next. each one can be said to have a dominant name of the process which those for now do. those which inform constitutionality are normally in grid maybe so to speak perhaps with Darla, which is why a message from a quadra can never be taken lightly..but i subjugated that law rational to posit my quadras core function of which i am but one example...
subject balance over other systems
chow

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Darla- thanks for your heartfelt observations - the time is now for each of us to step into our own power - to stop fawning, following, expecting another to create a "cliff notes" version of personal power. We CAN connect to the Greater Source energy, but our focus and intention must be pure. I wish both Bill and Inelia the highest good, but their journey is their own. We all have enough to manifest our own realities, to live our own Dharma fully and consciously - Namaste!

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Hello Houston Control: Do you read me? Can you copy?

There is something serious that needs to be said in this link about now. Many of you keep addressing Inelia and asking for answers. Yet you fail to notice that she is not responding, and hasn't responded for a very long time.

Does someone need to keep bringing this to your attention and are you really not seeing this? This thread has taken on a life of it's own but it's getting more off-topic by the day.

...
Avalonians. We need to move on now. Quit kicking a dead horse. Do you think if you post another ton of questions to her and continue to do so, Inelia will be forced to answer them? Her silence should be answer enough for all of us. It is for me.

Thank you for hearing me out in this matter of the heart, or at least, Bill's heart and so it is...

You are mistaken. Please look at posts #792 & 794

An attempt of character assassination I do believe.

[mountain_jim]

Darla means well I believe, but she does appear to have missed that Inelia was just here in the last few days, and answering some chosen recent posts. And the rant above about 'failing to notice' really... what's the old saying about getting 'hoisted on one's own petard'?

I know I have my own issues with self-rightenousness and an alway available soapbox near at hand, that I have and continue to have to work on.

I agree that we don't need answers from anyone but within our own selves, I look forward to Inelia's presence here whenever she is moved to grant it, answers or not.

[mountain_jim]

Well I felt bad and came back to edit down the above post to remove more of my own 'box' , but since Darla has already read and thanked me I am too late to edit myself into appearing nicer than I am. Again....

I most recently appreciated another post of Darla's in the channeling sub-forum, where I now also go regularly.

smiles

mj

[ulli]

Well I felt bad and came back to edit down the above post to remove more of my own 'box' , but since Darla has already read and thanked me I am too late to edit myself into appearing nicer than I am. Again. I most recently appreciated another post of Darla's in the channeling sub-forum, where I now also go regularly.

smiles

mj

Darla just wants everyone to be free of their neediness, that's how I see it.
I saw no character assasination attempt, although a rant, yes.
That was a good example of a planetary influence, in this case from Pluto, who will open a pipeline that can cause one to do that.

[sirac]

sorry Darla, still haven't read your post, but will not pass over it..(though i could sight reasons to do so perhaps)
sirac..little creature..so many dangerous ways of speaking.. but i have to communicate through an organ or persona so to speak perhaps of my personality... maybe shead my own skin.
but not necassary when sirac is at play.

the thing i had to bring to inelia's thread, to give to put here is something i plucked from a hairy rose bush..many thorns..and that part in its own contexting will be present on my thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25627-lore-to-law ..it will be post 7, i saw i could do the one i planned to do in the wake of this storm and tie it in some way to what i said i wanted to get into ..in post 5's end, but it won't be full, merely a process narrative building knowledge of that phase), after r&r. but to keep within process flows of 'keeping with in topic'..(really do people hear badly when they seemingly see something evill accumulating more knowledge..charlies stuff that i have to process barrier too for your sakes... but i am in r&r, and don't want to be forced into too much hate... my plan is constant..though these wind moments of posting are as said ..random to the page)

what i have brought... may be small gem perhaps, but any child would generously place a stone at a place no matter how crappy as a mark of affection to say,...i have gone & i understand...this is what is seen through my lens.
oh the post of mine directly above follows a process characteristic of wittengstein for the tractatus.. the 'a' being a statement of logical imposition as one seen; then the go down 7 points.

it comes to as banally saying,
i've seen the process window of the mirror.. the true harmony of dual energies interplaying (even zoomed out to the process level of .. we see teachers in dual sets for projects, many dual sets, yes now too i see In. do this too)..i know process and time windows. but to say it, merely i've accessed. how banal, not becoming of me.
so..
oh true gem of that was that i said what we seeing is that windows of hierachy are the problem being bound into by us. when the true model of exercise would be individual.
i'm running now from u. the ruunning man is also know in the writings of N.
tomorrow in my time for the rest or longer..no more banal sirac perhaps then,just restful sirac having positted his window

[Ernie Nemeth]

Earlier this year, I began a meditating/vibration lifting routine that included this Avalon site as part of the process.

I got sick. I felt a presence around me that I could not shake. Then I got physical symptoms...

I tried ignoring it, rationalizing it away, countering it, but nothing worked. So I went to my only spiritual teacher and he would not engage, at all, on the subject. Then I tried members of Avalon who are my friends, and they did offer suggestions but as I got more frantic with calls for more help - they stopped corresponding. So I resorted to talisman magic, for want of a better word. I constructed a staff, all the while thinking about how foolish this seemed to be. So like Gandalf, I stood at 3:00 a.m. one full moon with my staff screaming out the equivalent of "You shall not pass!" to try and exorcise my demon. I must have woke the entire neighborhood with my antics. And the last time I brought my staff down - it broke in two and the quartz crystal I installed at the top popped out.

That's when I realized my mistake. Although natural wood, white candles, timing, crystals, chanting, incantations and the rest have their focussing potential merit - it is the individual whose power is being tapped. To believe it is any of the artifacts that give power is to believe the self has none, or at least to limit its scope.

I gave up my deep meditation, and the symptoms almost immediately dropped away as well. I will no longer search outside myself for my answers. I have reached a place of tentative novelty. Although many things remain unanswered, core subjects are in equilibrium and balance. It feels funny, to center myself in mystery and be okay with my human foibles. The answers I seek will come when they are needed. That is my resting point, my certainty.

The trick is to let my human self play out its drama without as much attachment, knowing that great truths, pearls of wisdom, opportunities for growth can only be seen when I am at rest, in certainty - open. I need not condemn myself for my human limitations, I need merely to embrace them as the mystery that they are.

Or something like that, anyways.

I feel maybe Inelia might be saying the same thing with her silence?

[Artemesia]

I just finished a lovely teleconference call with Lucia Rene. She mentioned that Inelia was visiting her and that they had both been discussing that many many people email them questions, and that they both keep coming back to the same place, that they wonder when people will realize that they themselves have all the answers. My own bit to add to this awareness is that we've been addicted to the idea of EXTERNAL authority, the idea that at some point, like a 'big break' in a career or winning the lottery, that we'll meet someone who has ALL THE ANSWERS. This is true. But there is an aspect of that awareness, that EXPECTATION, that most of humanity has been missing for a long time. That person we intend to meet is US, the individual we hope to be/become. We each have all the answers for ourselves. Just look within. Its really that simple. And that difficult.

[Mother]

Dear Avalonians;

Inelia has posted at this thread just two days ago, I don´t think she has left the thread at all, although I´m sure enough she doesn´t consider it as "her" thread. She is also participating here at Avalon, posting her ideas on some discussions at "The Montesuenos Reality Group", it is public, you are all more than welcome to be a part or visit. I have no reasons to think that Inelia won´t give an answer just for fun, maybe she has no time, no interest, or no information, in the same I´m sure none of us answer or engage into everything. Even so, regards some particular issues, mainly the ones who doesn´t help "raising the vibration of the planet", for those who has being paying attention, I´m sure even when Inelia is silent, she is still giving an answer. For those who really claim her answers because are missing her thoughts, I´d say they are equaly valuable at her site www.ascension101.com, which has also link to personal contact with her.

IMHO, this forum is an open space to discuss everything anyone consider usefull to learn and grow, and I also like to think I´m free to do it or don´t. I´m not sure anyone one of us would like to know we are forced to answer hundred questions a day- and many times, the same questions, because people themselves have no time to see that their answers are already done and answered.
At the same time, even if I decide to give an answer, there is nothing I can do if it is not the desired answer.

People, we all came here to a purpose. Let´s make it worth! Inelia or not Inelia, to Bill or not to Bill, there is A LOT going on here, at this forum and out of here; I say let´s keep flowing, aware, united, saving energy for all that is still to come!

If we continue engaging on judgment, we are just repeating ourselves. Personaly, I don´t recommend "cleaning" the forum. I think we had enough of "don´t remember" strategy.

Keeping the threads or not keeping the threads is not bringing Bill back or push him away. The value of Avalon relies in its very dynamic, all he only asked us was to be respectfull to each other. He would be proud if we can use all that is being said to learning and strenght.

We ´ve paying the price because we are not allowed to remember our history, and humanity is making all the same mistakes for hundreds of years! Let´s keep the stones visible, for others who came after us don´t fall.

Let´s DO remember: if we feel we are not giving enough information, let´s remember how few information we had before sharing with Avalonians, and I don´t mean only Bill or Kerry or Inelia. If we feel somebody became hostil to our position or words, let´s remember how many friends we found here. If we have an opinnion on how things are being made here, let´s remember they are not being made without a collective agreement. And if we think somebody is doing wrong, let´s remember to forgive him/her, for his/her mistaken, as we ´d like to be forgiven.:grouphug:

[StephenW11UK]

Hi Darla Ken Jensen Pearce,

You don't seem to have noticed that Inelia has quite recently replied to (1) my post #792 and (2) CurtisW's #794
Fairly obviously, Inelia has chosen not to answer any others at the moment.

Stephen.

[Anchor]

Yes - everything is ok :)

Sorry, I just felt a generic comment was in order !

[sirac]

i hopped here cause i was eager to see what Nemeth said.

for the other things i got on the way down to reply.
you see a window....hostile imposition u say...i.e. from the sphere of leaders to genra us, th e forum,;
but consider the windows and masters u've hopped thru till here, one thing u may have learned ...or i learned, the trueness of the kabalist window,
of imposing of worlds above and in coordinate ... those our teachers are from higher process windows, only now and then do they tread on a lower window to process afair things... i.e. what can have been seen to be enlightened must than say that there is a path window now on us... essential they leave us to play amongst ourselves as is...we have not understood the vortic we control... they are the necassary other horn operating then in a supposed nother horn.{but sh*t this is why i don't like wind posting , cause now i've borrowed a visual system to describe something i described elsewhere in myself..or in legendarium. Wind, now u've brought something pertinent from cent func earth [in my case;Mayan func.s] In. is in legendarium, i am comforted that i will interact with her, be it here or in plains where she be next{that though is place of legendarium}..& to show process humour amongst u, when i die now, or have to go thru more incarnation, but then, even in 900yrs i'll be their. but windows i describe so do not be scaredd of my process windows...designation u can give me is process fable-ist, }

[sirac]

oh nemeth,
i couldn't reply to be honest... i drew on your orientation.

though i can give a bit of a reply just to show some mutuality of sort...but i would have to describe it by another process window. ..i have to give 2, then but the 1 overperspective, is probably locked-up in the writing
"in a thing i will not name for fear of naming my systems and so inducing me to attack...but understand...i learnt a spiritual language..1st words first, from a set of 1st teachers (Over Force eventually tells them to go),...then i come amongst places where they fluent in spoken.s.language, but it is not my dialect, and when they say speak i shy,or stutter ..intaking the difference. but phase exercise a language in fluency now i can.. but it is my dialect"
2nd. I know that teachers especially spiiritual (spelling error intentional, cause i'm introducing phase structures only those would know who regularly see emphasis twists like this) turn away. they do this when student exercises in phase languages new...this is understood by the council nodes ((i have a better name than merely 'council' but i won't say it. my 1st approximation of it was by the phase proper final work in old english of Napolean Hills -one of his books, all have such similar names..but if u read him carefully you'd..-)).
let me skip, so stuff, lets i reveal a node of attack open to the all, i've already assumed for what i write i'll have to protect myself, so i'll lend same courtesy.
any case...it may be Nemeth that something of the new which cannot be heard in this time but that u are process preparin for another time is what u speak


{edit input: a start on post7, themetic would need post 8 http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25627-lore-to-law&p=279174#post279174}

:)

[Lettherebelight]

When you are really following your heart's path, you'll see that people may be drawn to you, looking for their own. At that time , it is our duty to try in some small way, to help them find their own true path.


tWzbCk18wTw


@ Sirac. True eloquence...is the truth spoken concisely, for the benefit of all.

[Inelia]

With regard answering questions, many of them have been answered by others, so there is no need to add more to them :)

My absence from posting is due to the fact that I just hang out and read the offerings of others here most of the time that I do spend here. There is such a wealth of information, insight and resources here that it is hard not to spend time exploring and reading.

At the moment I am investigating Lemurians. A series of synchronisities had me become conscious of their existence, and then I "coincidentally" met and had an extremely interesting chat with a first hand witness who visited with them. This woman is top notch as a witness, and I will be meeting her again later this month.

Mother, thank you for posting the link to ascension101, it is indeed the place where I post my findings, explorations, answers to questions and latest tools.

[Lost Soul]

I just found ascenion101 after listening to another interview. There's plenty of good articles. I also just bought her two books.

[TOTHE]

A second free transmission of the Ancient Templates of Wisdom scheduled for this Saturday August 13th quoting from Inelia's E-mail to me today.


Dear Friend,

I, Inelia Benz, am willing to collaborate with any species or peoples who want to raise the level of vibration of the planet and the joint collective.

The next question is, "how do we collaborate with each other?"

My personal answer to that question is:

1) We work on raising our personal vibration by processing fear, both our own as well as the collective fear.

You can find the full text for the exercise I personally use to process fear here: http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools/33-ascension-tools/105-fear-processing-exercise.html

2) We find what brings us joy, what excites us, and we do it. This raises our own vibration, as well as being the strongest clue as to what we are here to do.


3) We network with others who are willing to do the same. The moment of leaderless networks is here, we share, we communicate and we act. The only following we do is to follow our heart and our intuition.


It is not complicated, and does not require one "special" group, leader or belief system, tool or modality. We find what works for us individually and we go for it.

+++++++++++

Upcoming Activities:

A quick reminder of the Free Teleseminar with Lucia Rene, on Saturday August 13th, 12 noon PDT, 3 pm EDT, 19:00 GMT

I will be joining Author and Mystic Lucia Rene on her free teleconference, to discuss a methodology for changing timelines. If you are not familiar with Lucia Rene's work, or the Ancient Templates of Wisdom (which she will be transmitting to us during the free teleconference), please visit her website, before the call, at:

http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/teleconferences/ancient-templates-overview/

The link for the event is: http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventID=21220446

I would also like to let you know that Lucia's book "Unplugging the Patriarchy" has been released on PDF. This book is not an ordinary book, it is actually a mystical tool which facilitates a person's unplugging from social programming which has kept us enslaved for thousands of years. You can buy the PDF version of the book directly from Lucia's site at: http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/teleconferences/digital-products/

+++++++++++

Interviews:

If you have not met her yet, I would like to introduce Joyce Keller who is an internationally-known visionary, author, television and radio host, media personality, author of six best-selling books.

She interviewed me on the 3rd of August 2011 and the full, very interesting, conversation is linked for you to listen to at:

http://ascension101.com/en/events/event-archive/127-interview-by-joyce-keller.html

+++++++++++

As always, I hope that this Newsletter finds you in good health and great spirits. Lets get this collective rocking :)

hugs

Inelia Benz



Alternatives suggested by me that confirm Inelia's work in the links below. I challenge everything I read over the internet, even God sometimes. My DNA is damaged over the years (and it is not my fault) and my "light body" is working overtime to repair my physical body. I am so paranoid that to avoid a 'blocked chakra I use a different color each day for 'chakra washing & showering and grounding'. Over all this is a lot of fun, this Saturday will be fun too.

From The Collective of intergalactic non-physical Light Beings:

Vibration group meditation chapter 18 compiled from 1974 to 1991.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/opc18.htm

The e-book that contains above chapter 18

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/contents.htm

From an advanced Galactic Civilization

This e-book chapter 21: 'Your commitment to Evolve in 3-D'. from 1992.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/esp_pleyades_14.htm

From the prison matrix thoughtform

Solar light activation for DNA repair, April 2011.

http://starchildglobal.com/newearthenergiesapril2011.html

From The Law of One censored by the prison matrix

NEW READING AUGUST 10, 2010... "MANAGEMENT NOTICE: PREPARE FOR TRANSFIGURATION

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/863-managementtransfig

All the links above focus on the technical's but lack in human psychology, emotion and desire or Will for that matter. So here is my opinion on Will that all you readers can feel free to challenge me on.

The Will is our personal desire, or motivation, to see the object of our intention or magic come to pass in reality. It is a verb, a desire for action. It arises from the very center of our being and creates in the world the object of our desire. It is not merely a want for something. To want something implies that we are, in some measure lacking it. We then sit passively in a state in a state of lack, in a state of want. But when you "will" something, you are never lacking anything, for the minute you conjure up will, you create that which you wanted. It is already yours.

To all who read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[sirac]

Thank-you Inelia, your true heart and intent are denoted from the e-mail to TOTHE (he has given me most |accurate| things, which i still don't want to go into , so as to do so i must first colate my own bearings and past sectors of insight into such a matter), i hope the teleconference with Lucia Rene , though live today, is recorded.
THank-you for the othre collections of series of talks with you, we are most intent on them for insight

[TOTHE]

The reason I am posting this is because we have many Enlightened Christians, Moslem Brothers & Sisters and the Exotic Eastern Pillars of The Faith who read here. We all have a tendency to Pray at times. Petition prayers may be good for the 3D in the past but for the vibration sensitive metaphysical paradigm we may have to do things differently.

The fact that you have initiated a prayer means that you are in the presence of the Devine and are acknowledged. Show gratitude for your free will, love of life and mirror of reality of do on to others as you would have them do on to you. Ask only for guidance and love..the petition part is over and finished, do not dwell on it any more....then start the metaphysical visualization you have always been empowered to do. You now are one with the Creator and creating with Him.

Example of the lost mode of prayer by Gregg Braden in the YouTube link below. The patient and the three practitioners believe in the process which in this case is healing. Remember the format: This is not a petition prayer or process but it is instead is an visualization of the intent that the outcome has already manifested in reality. What your are doing is detaching yourself from the bondage of the outcome of the process, scene, scenario, control or manipulation. Toward the end of this short video, Gregg implies how a group as small as three meditating by visualization of intent & outcome spread out in different parts over the World can change the Planetary Vibration.

First we have to process the fear as Inelia has pointed out in her e-mail and under the 'Tools' tab in the http://www.ascention101.com website. Yeah, we got fear this week: financial and market collapse in the US and riots across the pond. No one ever said that manifesting our reality is going to be an easy job in the 3D...I love the challenge though and it give the solar plexus chakra a little exercise in the meantime.

Gregg Braden: Healing with Prayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlRwSw6zREE&NR=1

The complete audio treaties if you want to look deeper:
Gregg Braden: The Lost Mode of Prayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XawWu6DDO1I&feature=related

All said is above is my opinion only and not intended to influence or prejudice anyone.

Sending to all who read this, love, light, tenacity and courage

[sirac]

i c i may have shifted the wind slightly, hence need to defend against certain frauds,
though u cannot see it from my outer pillars,
TOTHE expresses truth as is,
i'm tempted to say ....but i'll dissapear anyway fairly soon, so i need not worry,
'position of favoured son he occupies, and certainly right, those of this {*}node{*level} must rule the spectre'
it is by implication of calling him a son,that i couth eveness.though right not to be limited in anything i explore.indeed i've thought with favour on the concept that certain things should be hidden from some of a certain age,till they grab at it from self, but if they grab they must find, &hence u find this[here] path [as on Inelia thread]

[starsha]

At the moment I am investigating Lemurians. A series of synchronisities had me become conscious of their existence, and then I "coincidentally" met and had an extremely interesting chat with a first hand witness who visited with them. This woman is top notch as a witness, and I will be meeting her again later this month.


Can you expand on that Inelia ? I have been having dreams and visions of woman in 'blue robes' for about the last 8 years, and several times when i have been able to tune and and 'ask' who they are, the answer comes back 'Lemuirans'. I would appreciate any info you could give, or point me in the right direction. :)

With regards to the topic of dependency and neediness etc. I think it's really good to be able to discern or make the distinction between drawing from the support of a community and giving your power away, or taking power selfishly. I think it's only natural for humans to lean on each other to some degree and i have always considered humans to be 'pod dwellers', not 'lone wolves'. if healthy community spirit is balanced with wisdom and clarity then the whole group can run harmoniously and sychronistically and we can provide the right things to each other at the right times.

It's like humanity is one big huge jigsaw puzzle and we are all working on it together, there is no harm in putting a piece in the puzzle if you know it fits, becasue it supports the whole ultimately.

[Elle]

"If the path before you is clear, you're probably on someone else's." — Joe Campbell

[Yoda]

Thank-you Inelia, your true heart and intent are denoted from the e-mail to TOTHE (he has given me most |accurate| things, which i still don't want to go into , so as to do so i must first colate my own bearings and past sectors of insight into such a matter), i hope the teleconference with Lucia Rene , though live today, is recorded.
THank-you for the othre collections of series of talks with you, we are most intent on them for insight

Inelia's latest teleconference with Lucia Rene

http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventID=21220446

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[greybeard]

Thank-you Inelia, your true heart and intent are denoted from the e-mail to TOTHE (he has given me most |accurate| things, which i still don't want to go into , so as to do so i must first colate my own bearings and past sectors of insight into such a matter), i hope the teleconference with Lucia Rene , though live today, is recorded.
THank-you for the othre collections of series of talks with you, we are most intent on them for insight

Inelia's latest teleconference with Lucia Rene

http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventID=21220446

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com


Does Bill have any part in this?
Chris

[TOTHE]

Posts by Starsha, Sirac and Inelia got me dusting off my brain.

Graham Hancock's books exposed me to the to Mu, Lemuria and Atlantis back in 2000-2005. I did not do much Lemurian research after that because I was involved with all of Zecharia Sitchin's books. By the time the Anunnaki arrived 450,000 years ago most of the traces of the ancient Lemurians may have been buried in ice or in tectonic shifting or (nuclear wars?). However from the surviving hominids I suspect we all have vested Lyrian-Lemurian genes and reincarnated souls. Assuming the Lyrian Civilization is many billions of years old their collective should be in the Light and a few dimensions higher than us, they may too watching and guiding their children today..I know I would.

The Lemurians: This is what I was able to dig up. There may be distortions and some truth in the links below, remember all we are allowed to read is from the "prison library"..channelers who can punch through the etheric bands and in to the Light Beings Collectives may have less distortions. It is a wonder the stuff you can find on the internet..like the green tea in China.

The different races
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_races00.htm

GALACTIC HISTORY shows that the Lyrian Civilization established one of their colonies here on Earth and was known as Lemuria
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_galactichistory01.htm

lemuria
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_lemuria.htm

To all who happen to read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[TOTHE]

About the second Inelia & Lucia conference call:
Two Masters showing us how to access timelines from their own organic timeline. It was awesome.
Then releasing the Tablets of Wisdom into the Human Collective. It was riveting.
A phone call from someone who felt pain accessing the information. Some are not ready to hold it? It was
revealing.
Bless all the Light Workers for you are the Masters of the Collective who have shepherded us to the Universe. Some day I will have access to the Hall of Records to your enshrined names to relive all that you have lived through to get to where we are today. For now with joy I will begin exploring and evolving in the future you have helped us to manifest.

[Jake]

It is too late to post judgement... we are on a path... YOU are on a path.. We are all on a path... it is all happening too fast... the past is a memory,,, the future is BS... NOW.... fuc$%%^Y NOW..........

¤=[Post Update]=¤


It is too late to post judgement... we are on a path... YOU are on a path.. We are all on a path... it is all happening too fast... the past is a memory,,, the future is BS... NOW.... fuc$%%^Y NOW..........
I do not believe in past or future...................................................................................

[MiguelQ]

Although i m a goodperson and always wanted to help, and make revolutionary projects in this planet, i feel that there is something wrong with that misson. It does not happen, its like im living in this age or timeline that isnot advanced enought to accept my vision and and understand it. Im always saying i born on the wrong millenium. And i feel useless, because i cant do anything i idealize. And everything turns out on the reverse way. Think i need an external hand, to understand the nature of the negative outcome that my thoughts create. This world is so sick ,money or profit dependent that in thise conditions there is no possible good that i cN do.
Why i posted here, because if inelia has experiência in such helping backgrounds, i would like her to read me. Sorry english , but its late, and worked alot today.
Cnt believe how after 2000 years we still need typing ,which is so retrogad thing..

[sirac]

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i'm still on holiday so trying not to read anything. it is in. supercontext.
i only came cause Starsha message landed in my inbox. if it was off the cuff that i moved [*^%$#], but i've filtered it. i'm still strictly on 10day break to myself,that within a 3month cacoon.
but,..THIS[above]...i can't say now of this. in a way..1000times more banal i am now, 1000times more erudite. let me fix the temptation phrase. but i can't fix it with more words, for those too would take a cacoon of a 1000words to close-it. i still implement order balance. i talk don't directly as in friend but only in those ways you've seen to Inelia. by sort of so to speak kabalic world ordering, she is still worlds above me. & my words are often interposed through a lens...here i am very close&that* aspect is veiled threat...i always speak as this, hence i cannot speak to Inelia here as in commune as u guys do in community.(i got to that via considering my two words: node and lens...lens was the orginal, then it spilt to lens proper and node. i see i use node way to often, perhaps in time it will evolve to two distinct words for two distinct concept/group sets)

*visually imagine a lens, here it zooms in, but on the other side a veiled threat...timeline threading or command inset base it must be (i still want freedom to attack which is why i say this)

[sirac]

just a weakness from the previous window(post) i must redress...for a full context reader will derive it.
i believe within this kabalic ordering system, that the necassity of Inelia in world above category was a physionomic thing,...otherwise other spirits would not be able to rush there....spiritual imposibility. oh GreyBeard, similarily we have been moved [i c u ask of Bill], my place is not to know...i had a process fable, but these process fables would overwhelm me. i'll post it on the 23rdAug, which was 10days ahead of the last time i was really posting...{just fixing things here for you}.

to continue...for there are aalways many narratives to a single thing. if i am banal and violent amongst you, yet not equality i seek with ... to be able to attack there-within for there-within would be another level. BUT PROPER AVALON MUST NOW COME INTO POSSESION, for i need those to move amongst, so that my warring attitude is taken up within the council, but tthem not infected, it would be a function of the council to move on all wisdoms

[Elle]

Another Lemurian related site: "An illustrated, clairvoyant revelation of man's untold journey to Earth from the Pleiades millions of years ago, and the struggles faced through the eras as souls matured into their ultimate destiny and Divinity." http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/ls/

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/ls/images/ls_cover.jpg

Vishayasuchi. Tables of Contents http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/books/ls/ls_table_of_contents.html


Note: this site was the first I've stumbled upon regarding Lemurians... still is my favorite :D who knows why?, i blame the drawings lol (anyways, i hope you can find this useful too) :D

[Mother]

Guys, I just received this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC27DSSMryI
from our good friend Jackeline, who were with us at Vilcabamba, altough she didn´t join us here in Avalon. I´m also studying Inelia´s Ascension course...it´s getting more and more confuse to "resonate"...I would love to hear your oppinion on the video..please take a time, ok?
Tks!

[Ruby L.]

Hi, Mother-

Tenzin started a thread a few days ago and opened with the very video Jackeline sent you.

This is the thread: It is not 2012, but October 2011 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27666-It-is-not-2012-but-October-2011-&p=283483#post283483)

You'll find a few poster's thoughts on the video, Awakening As One. :)

[Mother]

Hi, Mother-

Tenzin started a thread a few days ago and opened with the very video Jackeline sent you.

This is the thread: It is not 2012, but October 2011 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?27666-It-is-not-2012-but-October-2011-&p=283483#post283483)

You'll find a few poster's thoughts on the video, Awakening As One. :)

Oh, tks a lot, Ruby, I´ll check it!

[sirac]

hang man by tarot it explains it all. the pulse stopping for 33hours almost.
how real do u find ESP? for people sense me as by my changes. today to make a simple story, a woman said 'don't come and smoke here, theirs this chemical thing with u and i have only started feeling it since u've come, before this i was fine'

time is like a wave reaching into now, back and future, and gradually one comes to a completion of a thing, except one realizes it was in many moments.

read hangman. it almost overwhelms me to try and make sense for u.

i just want to say of hangman....that man who saw a secret and died and came back to life by the memory of the secret. but all of my sorting mechanisms as to prevent me to speak properly are because of hang man. to complex i thread. sometimes i think the world is trying to kill me. its a good place to be amongst similar as myself as here. Thanx TOTHE, that your mind is moved by me to find greater knowledges. i made my prior decisions not having a personal pc. i got one after that post. one has to know my post was pure energy burned in 5minutes...i could feel its impact, but it introduced an energy and hence the movement..... good luck to the sensor girls , the ones now dealing with Lemurians. what a sense organ we have in them.

i am also a sense organ. perhaps my node is knowledges. i got X5x120, but i realized mistakes i could couple on it, indeed i knew why Muhammed took the bane of saying ... i'll still be judged, rather than saying i made it. so much evil in the world interacts with us, that once we get, still we have to fight, for the world would tend to kill us.(*).. i don't know what the next battle brings. *or me, i must be brash or brag about hang man

[TOTHE]

A good way feel your way through the New Age is through the imagination of its writers. Neil Gaiman's book American Gods was one for me. It is a story about a reincarnated olden god. Neil has just written a short poem that I would like to share with you.

THE [BACKSPACE] MERCHANTS

The merchants sell deletions and removals,
masters of the world (or so they claim)
they go by
many hundreds of different names
and live in a giant block of Spam.

It quivers, as if alive, is fed
by tubes and tendrils, and is inhabited.
Portions are cut from it continually to feed the people.
Insidious, invidious,
(occasionally in videos),
the [backspace] merchants seek to sell you:
[b]V1agRa and all its magical cousins
(If you had a larger thing in your pants your life would be better!!!)
(MAGIC PENIS ENLAGEMENT PILLS)
(She'll love the new growth!)
(Make nights turbulent.)
Also, designer watches, diplomas,
diplomats who will entrust you with their missing millions.
There are girls in your town who want to
meet you.

The [backspace] merchants want so to delete you.

The [backspace] merchants click and they erase
our faces, so we keep losing face.
The [backspace] merchants
offer relief from their own excesses:
The products will not work as advertised
The Spam is vast and must be satisfied.

In the old days of the future
our freedom fighters lived deep inside the chicken meat
Their coffee was coffest, their dreams the dreamiest.
The rest of us craved and grazed our lives away
and wondered if we should emigrate to Venus.

These are the poles we navigate between:
Yesterday's futures now reshape our days
into futures past, somewhere between last week and day million
as ancient as a black and white TV show, watched so late
and all the names we conjured with appeared to us in monochrome
with their faces, such young faces,
to those of us who would learn to be plugged in at all times,
they told us of the future, and that is what they saw
a Game of If when they opened wide their eyes.

So we avoided all their awful warnings,
ignored the minefields as the klaxons sounded
played "Cheat the Prophet" just as Gilbert said,
we sidestepped catatopias unbounded
and built ourselves a gorgeous mess instead

I wish we could still emigrate to Venus.

Sometimes I wonder what the Spam makes of us:
does it define our base desires,
or hope we can transcend them? Like small gods,
the [backspace] merchants offer us all choices
and each day
we can be tempted
or delete.
They lay traps ineptly at our feet.

The present moves so quick we cannot describe it,
so Science Fiction Limns the recent past.
We future folk are just another tribe who
hyperlinked our colors to the mast,
When now is always then and never soon.
Our freak flags will not fly upon the moon.

THE [BACKSPACE] MERCHANTS

Our prophets opened gateways, showed us pitfalls
gave us worlds of it and galaxies uncountable.
They made us think then take the other road.
But future yesterdays are growing cold.
The [backspace] merchants huddle in their meat
while we demand a finer, nobler future:
It waits for us beyond the blue horizon.
Our future will be glorious and gold.

If it lasts more than four hours
consult your physician.

http://books.google.com/books?id=vDT40CJk1zQC&pg=PA343&lpg=PA343&dq=the+%5Bbackspace%5D+merchants&source=bl&ots=kHVXM_6vfc&sig=i71_ciel_K2aM0ySc3xU-rGhTQU&hl=en&ei=Wh5PToPHA8fE0AG6_emUBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20%5Bbackspace%5D%20merchants&f=false

To all who happen to read this I send you light, love, tenacity and courage

[sirac]

--[thank-u , a further thread voice that u cannot hear .. indeed this goes with the 8 of the snake]--
this can come now too,

Go Rin No Sho - book 5
THE BOOK OF THE VOID:

The Ni To Ichi Way of strategy is recorded in this the Book of the Void.

What is called the spirit of the void is where there is nothing. It is not included in man's knowledge. Of course the void is nothingness. By knowing things that exist, you can know that which does not exist. That is the void.

People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.

In the Way of strategy, also, those who study as warriors think that whatever they cannot understand in their craft is the void. This is not the true void.

To attain the Way of strategy as a warrior you must study fully other martial arts and not deviate even a little from the Way of the warrior. With your spirit settled, accumulate practice day by day, and hour by hour. Polish the twofold spirit heart and mind, and sharpen the twofold gaze perception and sight. When your spirit is not in the least clouded, when the clouds of bewilderment clear away, there is the true void.

Until you realise the true Way, whether in Buddhism or in common sense, you may think that things are correct and in order. However, if we look at things objectively, from the viewpoint of laws of the world, we see various doctrines departing from the true Way. Know well this spirit, and with forthrightness as the foundation and the true spirit as the Way. Enact strategy broadly, correctly and openly.

Then you will come to think of things in a wide sense and, taking the void as the Way, you will see the Way as void.

In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness.


Twelfth day of the fifth month, second year of Shoho (1645)

Teruo Magonojo for SHINMEN MUSASHI

[Lost Soul]

If you haven't read Inelia's book, Interview with an Alien, get it! It's easy reading and many of us here can readily identify with a lot of material found therein. If you're familiar with George Green's Handbook for a New Paradigm, a lot of things will resonate within you. For instance, the creator is within and that we can control and create our own destiny.

I'm now starting on her Ascension book.

Thank you Inelia.

[Yoda]

Inelia Benz-Collective timeline exercise on YouTube

jdJ4qHjg5H8

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[TOTHE]

E-Mail from Inelia today:

(Yoda, I am posting the whole e-mail with text and links.)

My take on the process for the non-adept is to visualize your intent and the outcome as completed. Example: you are standing on your own organic timeline facing the curved beachfront of infinite timelines extending right and left. Pick out the timeline of the green and unpolluted Earth, the one where the rivers run so clear that when the sun shines down you can see the rays extending downward so it looks like you are seeing an underwater cathedral with silver flashes of tiny fish flitting about. Before you leave always give thanks to the Creative Force that sustains our world--- the Source, God, Goddess, or Whomever you worship whose love manifests in the bounty of the land.

This is within our power, so lets use it to manifest our reality, to quote the great rede: An you harm none, do what you will.


Dear Richard,

Earlier this month, August 2011, during a public conference call hosted by Author and Mystic Lucia Rene, we carried out an exercise for the Collective Timeline.

This exercise is very simple and only a few minutes long, please join in its energy and spirit by doing the exercise yourself and also sharing it with your contacts.

You can find the Collective Timeline Exercise on YouTube here:

jdJ4qHjg5H8

And at ascension101.com here:

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-tools.html

Find the full free teleconference discussion on Timelines between Lucia Rene and myself, which includes another exercise on personal timelines, as well as the Timelessness Template from Lucia, here:

http://ascension101.com/en/events/event-archive/122-august-13th-joining-lucia-rene-on-her-free-teleconference.html

Thank you for your continuing work and support on raising the level of vibration of the collective!

Love and light

Inelia Benz

To all who happen to read this I send you light, love , tenacity and courage.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I watched the live stream and recieved the templates ten days ago. Didn't think much would happen, for whatever reason I may have made up for myself.

Man!
So intense, like something wants to break out, sum it up, get on with it. An old memory...surfacing. And the timely insights, refocusing, reprioritizing.

But the momories... they're so familiar and haunting - surreal.

Life is fun!

[Catsquotl]

Recieved them then myself.

I guess they are silently finding their place within.
Nothing mayor. Although guidance is pointing me towards the divine Feminine

With Love
Eelco

[sirac]

I watched the live stream and recieved the templates ten days ago. Didn't think much would happen, for whatever reason I may have made up for myself.

Man!
So intense, like something wants to break out, sum it up, get on with it. An old memory...surfacing. And the timely insights, refocusing, reprioritizing.

But the momories... they're so familiar and haunting - surreal.

Life is fun!

yes, why it can't be big in the present, or fades memory...is because in the activation period we can only be subject to a certain sset of the whole.... i.e like 25 or so x plates functioning deeply in the moment we aware... perhaps again a timeline thing, of many moments, but when the moments are put together a full is seen. what is sure is (may be unimportant what i say, just want to inspire the same relative movement)....oh i just came to say YES, then it said 'not less than 10 characters'

[daci]

Where is Bill?

[sirac]

Catsquotl,
we have to define major.
{maybe u were in a safe-ish place... maybe it was because your node was ingrebbing this,so u'll didn't feel it,perhaps u instantiated it,& so it was nothing major....but the nothing major is a truism to this subject indeed, its just that i can't place the statement...almost funny in my ear it sounds}

where's bill,
u can see his orientation on the fore pages of this thread. he seems to be saying his going into a teaching phase.
leave the man alone for a bit.
we don't need bill to grind this bit down for us...yet...big guns for later....we know his process spirit, when it comes it will be good

[Ernie Nemeth]

Yeah, the feeling isn't intense outward. It seems to be an inward shift for me. Quiet and still. Like a deeper understanding, or a gentler one - of my own reality. Of how perfect everything had to be to get me here, like I am, with all my supposed flaws. Even the slightest change in my timeline would have produced a different me.
It's like I'm a line in a symphony, or just a note, I guess. But without me the symphony would not reflect the intended image of its Composer.
I know it's been said before but every time back around brings greater depth and insight - like a spiral.
Like the circle in the dot.

[sirac]

you don't know where my imagination has been, almost war i came to make.
realizing things as they are... simple posts are too much for ambiguity...too-much for the 1001-things that can be drawn from it....i wanted to come & make true war from my summations. X5x120 is too precious to be let go, or to dwell in the Chandra. Ernie Nemeth has attenuated my war-making. citi-dwellers i would have called u. too-inorbed with the other things of the city to see what is truely precious as the desert dwellers see (in history invaders like the mongols & persians swept & ruled because of the desert).

[sirac]

as of the worlds thing [[but i can't have it attenuated in wrong ways*/?]].

*this is as of a subsumed thing, for orientation is not to leave emotive thread into thing that would expend me{or would be not}, to be relaxed i must of necessity be

[Yoda]

Inelia, Dynamite! interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDeYNXLkvjI&list=PL3F634D48C1A81D3F&index=1&feature=plpp

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[TOTHE]

Today hurricane Irene's eye past my location about 50 miles to the East. Reminds me of hurricane Diane in 1955.
I look at hurricanes as torsion wave vortexes, visualize them as a singularity with it's black hole gravity well moving across different dimensions. Useful as a meditation tool for grounding fears, blocked chakras, (my #1 and #2 had small blockages) and raise your personal consciousness vibration adding to the overall collective. I used the hurricane eye to suck out worn out mental trash and overused concepts that if you keep them too long the become negative energy. The vortex suction became a braided light cord and the added force of Love pushed that negative energy right down into the molten magma of the Earth where Gaia had some fun neutralizing it.
Even though there was a lot of wind and rain, I sent the light body above the whirling cloud inferno to grab some UV's & gamma rays and some of the cosmic radiation from the Galactic Center. Called back the light body to do the job of repairing the physical (yesterday's sunburn probably included). As I was exposed in the 1950's from the Nevada test clouds the passed over New York State so I am loaded with heavy metal. I visualize the light body to focus cosmic rays to smash into the radioactive isotopes, bromides and other useless stuff to render them so that the physical body can choose to expel them or put to use. Example: an ORME or a transmutation into the platinum heavy metals group http://www.crucible.org/monatomic_elements.htm or http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/hudson.htm or http://www.pascashealth.com/BIOLOGICS-_WW-Monoatomic-White-Gold.pdf a single atom of Ruthenium at the end of a DNA strand turns it into a superconductor.
http://www.sicluceatlux1.org/CARTOUCHESETBLK.gif

Many of my generation have succumbed to cancer, I am still standing...I wish they would listen to me. But instead of direct face to face and by using the process of going into the 'backdoor' of the collective by raising my conscious vibration gives me hope. John Dunn was right: "Every man is a piece of the main".

To all who happen to read this: I send you love, light, joy, tenacity and courage.

[jen]

dear bill, i have just watched the inelia interview. wow inspirational and wonderful. peace and love to both, thank you for being there.

[Mother]

Inelia and Lucia live, in two hours: http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventID=21408375

[Southsea]

Thought I was too late, but discovered the link is still good in that it allows the download of replay. Thanks Mum

[sirac]

Inelia and Lucia live, in two hours: http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventID=21408375

k, wow, how to start always an issue i feel like crying about.
i know my steps to deal.
i've divided usuage categories of Lucia's type into 4 (yes again only ONE knows these 4 amongst u),
i hope that their are other advanced users of her stuff, for a community of interaction would be better to learn these things
i don't know if my taro superusuage windows fits

2 worlds we are now.
tht was start of wanting to post.
i'll process these things on my own. and fathe energy will now leave so u may be uninhibited.
i always say i will return later then realize food issue.
and this statement comes from viewing food..i.e.listenin to Lucia stuff. but now i call X5x120 HERS TRUELY.
but u can't decifer her as i
(i must choose right reality now, hence perhaps reason for leaving for a while to figure this out for self)

[Njord]

I'm sorry, but Inelia doesn't resonate with me at all. She comes off more like a "fortune teller" (I'm struggeling with finding the correct word here) with good intentions to me.
Then again, it could be because I really don't "get" what she is talking about. I mean, I understand what she says, and agree with the message...but it sounds made-up.

I have watched all the videos and read a bit of the transcripts etc, but it doesn't feel true to me.

Don't get me wrong...I get what she is saying. And I agree with the basic message of "love and understanding".
I just think she isn't what she thinks she is.

She has a pretty view of the world, and a nice message. But there is just something that screams at me this is all made-up.
I don't want to come across as a negative-nancy here and get hounded for not "towing the line". But that is how I feel.

She feels to me, like I assume Charles/atticus feels to many of you. I hope that makes it clearer. There is just something that is "off" here.

[trenairio]

I am still totally clueless, lmao.

[NancyV]

I'm sorry, but Inelia doesn't resonate with me at all. She comes off more like a "fortune teller" (I'm struggeling with finding the correct word here) with good intentions to me.
Then again, it could be because I really don't "get" what she is talking about. I mean, I understand what she says, and agree with the message...but it sounds made-up.

I have watched all the videos and read a bit of the transcripts etc, but it doesn't feel true to me.

Don't get me wrong...I get what she is saying. And I agree with the basic message of "love and understanding".
I just think she isn't what she thinks she is.

She has a pretty view of the world, and a nice message. But there is just something that screams at me this is all made-up.
I don't want to come across as a negative-nancy here and get hounded for not "towing the line". But that is how I feel.

She feels to me, like I assume Charles/atticus feels to many of you. I hope that makes it clearer. There is just something that is "off" here.
It's always good to know what you don't resonate with. Any path or mission that focuses on the divine feminine doesn't resonate with me either, which may be why the interview with Lucia Rene did not feel compatible with my energy. I do think there is a huge difference between not resonating with someone's mission and seeing them as actively negative. I felt Charles/Atticus as an actively negative energy but Inelia and Lucia have the best of intentions.

The important thing for me is to concentrate on who I am, what I choose to do and not to allow myself to think I should take on anyone else's mission or practices. It's good to know when something is "off" for you and not to feel like you should be more accepting of something that doesn't feel right.

I send Inelia and Rene best wishes for happiness and fulfillment in their missions and I send Charles the negative energy he puts out bounced back to him tenfold.

[sirac]

I'm sorry, but Inelia doesn't resonate with me at all. She comes off more like a "fortune teller" (I'm struggeling with finding the correct word here) with good intentions to me.
Then again, it could be because I really don't "get" what she is talking about. I mean, I understand what she says, and agree with the message...but it sounds made-up.

I have watched all the videos and read a bit of the transcripts etc, but it doesn't feel true to me.

Don't get me wrong...I get what she is saying. And I agree with the basic message of "love and understanding".
I just think she isn't what she thinks she is.

She has a pretty view of the world, and a nice message. But there is just something that screams at me this is all made-up.
I don't want to come across as a negative-nancy here and get hounded for not "towing the line". But that is how I feel.

She feels to me, like I assume Charles/atticus feels to many of you. I hope that makes it clearer. There is just something that is "off" here.

I AM THE KEY YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ME YET SO ANGRY AM I THAT I AM ON HOLIDAY YES HOLY DAY TO DEFEND ALL MY EMOTIONS FROM TOTAL EVIL. I KNOW HER SYSTEM NAME, I KNOW LUCIA'S SYSTEM NAME. CAUSE I KNOW MY OWN SYSTEM NAME. I AM SCARED OF MY POWR FOR I CAN CAUSE A TRUE EVIL OF THE WORLDS A TRUE WAR OFTHE WORLDS PURELY BASED ON EVERYTHING. THAT IS WHY I TRY AND COUTH MYSELF WITH GOOD< WHY I DRAW AS NEAR AS I CAN. angry u of other worldxs or the lost have made me. why come i cause i know the true system orientation relative to charles, charles was not charles he was representative of a true male node player that plays to get into councils and plays by sowing seed. now see why i call bill central master. really away from u's for rage i must go. i will not inhibit the children learning anymore..for truely know u that only male energy inhibits. yes perfect blocking stone ihave put in your place. go to inelia, but go to her thru war with ME

INPUT
so cold is it in the NORTH that eskimos build their houses of ice to defend from ice.
so evil is it up here that i build my hut of evil, to protect from evil. really come against me BATI BAIT

[Lettherebelight]

Wow, Sirac. I don't normally post on this thread, but your method of speaking intrigues me...

Are you able to disclose Inelia's system name...or yours? To what do you refer when you say 'system'?

Thanks :)

[sirac]

no no mystery by common communion of man
i'm view this now. maybe u can come to my 3rd of Norea system orientations by some links i saved to view again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-BHgor6zo&feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxR_JxkwC0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwnXC3gHIYA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyMPSI8HXPE&feature=related

can
t remember whic h frags are in theres but arewamaybe us se see u seee

actually:
actually it is telling me not to war. where i will go to war eventually i know not
see u guys don't understand common language. my 3 is not perhaps trinity 3, but a systems 3 i've seen. know not if u can get my full frags

[sirac]

view that

mistake i made by coming amongst u again
to cover this mistake
the hangman dropping a fragment amongst u

i see i
have to
start Majarim 18 befor i intended,
as a corrective action
antidote for my flames
to me they were gems
the smallest fragment intrepreted from u is your own fire

so speaking as a man knowing my trouble
knowing the hope and desire i have to save in me, by p & in preventing my self from total evil
i have to work for three ends,
my job in biologicals, if i can survive so far and decide not to turn to USD to make chemicals,
and in this
evil is in failure
success is fulfillment of desires
and desires are small, they just merely want to be as my father farmer, cattle farmer not sheep farmer..i love space and love land

it will be in lore to law
law ended at 23 my birthday
majarim will start with system name 18
i intend as one to intrepete the parable of startrek and the 3 major races
subs they needed for the human one just to build it up. but 3 their are
and we are actually in fact borg and that specie tath borg feared
we all 3

[Lettherebelight]

Shine on, brother Sirac!

Thanks for the links! :)

[Ernie Nemeth]

:rolleyes:

[sirac]

roll eyes indeed;
thank-you,
hence this need to work it off and show central perspective, not just the outer fragments.... soon...sometime like a saturday sometime. Greetings Great Nemeth

[Ernie Nemeth]

Dear Sirac,

Please understand this. I have felt from the start that you are one of considerable knowledge and power. Your style of writing, for me, makes me have to concentrate very hard with my right brain to understand your meaning. I have learned a lot from your posts. Your take is unique and thought-provoking.

Lately, I've noticed you have begun talking about war. And defending yourself from evil - with evil. This is not the way to progress our agenda, IMO.

And that is when I thought perhaps your writing style is a form of war. But I do not understand who you want to war with.

Rereading your last post, I find that maybe I misunderstood it. If that is the case I am sorry.

Oh, heck, I'm sorry either way.

Not my place to judge.

:o

So peace to you, brother. :hug:

[transiten]

My 1:st post on Avalon, been away for 3 months. Watched the interview with Inelia today. I searched this thread for more sceptical posts and I wonder why noone has adressed this one??? At first I felt OK with the video but since I have negative experiences from spiritual abuse I tend to gather a lot of info before I can decide whether something resonates with me or not. I have some concerns with Inelias facial expression and the 99$ one should pay to "access ascension" on her website.

I just arrived home yesterday and 1:st thing I did was watching Davids Wilcock video on "The Source Filed Investigations" and at 11.33 the postwoman brought it to my door and my heart rejoiced so now I will focus on his teachings.

Namaste from transiten

Namaste from transiten

¤=[Post Update]=¤

????

I was referring to Darlas post about Inelais and Bills absence and clicked on the reply button but her post didn't appear? Anyway, go to page 41 and read her post in big letters!

transiten

¤=[Post Update]=¤

...it wasn't my 1:st post <Lol> must go and check, been away for too long.

Cheers!

[sirac]

transiten.
actually...know not how those things work... but for myself, sometimes i intrinsically distrust Wilcock.
sometimes somehow. but he is the greatest for me for past teachers in awakening excitement into 2012. actually, since that time, leaving all teaching for a while, i felt my predispositions were a bit deceived for how Wilcock came across for me. Not Wilcock, but some predispositions i had after that which lead me into some hectic #h#t.
if in anyway i can describe this letting go, and sometimes re-coming back to a teacher , i'd model it by what i understood of kabalic world views.
it may be that with inelia, you almost share a same II build base II, and hence being in a world removed, you may feel a movement which for the time is malevolent
indeed, once i centre myself again i'll reapproach Wilcock....pinky swear me you'll do the same for Inelia!?!?

anycase. Nemeth, i'll tell u a quick joke before i must run again,
its like the mystical bases of the world were all formed in unison.
how can i find a parable here, and there, where no logical correlation was bound to exist, i find another parable for correlation.
anyways. in this regard,
Mayan Castles. i once found Buddist statues.
Nietzsche i knew to be of the Southern Castle...and indeed there was a Buddist Arc Angel statue with a Big Dreadful Spear.
then West and East with their swords showing rotation attack strategies.
then North.... didn't understand it then, infact it seemed stupid. the North held a guitar. if Northern Castle is of Crossing. then guitar in some ways and points also denote crossing or a time to come to a crossing point (crossing points being by knights taro descriptions :visual)... anycase. Guitar, since i am of this house means something else to me. not so much that, it devolves and impliments.

oh come back to Inelia soon. The parable i had of that time for Wilcock...was "We have selected him (i.e. us amongst our spirits)"....this WE contextor, well it is only in the QURAN that i have seen a full WE CONTEXTOR.
much greetings and love to everybody(((((ah, ah, double ahhhhhh!!!!, never done that. i still want to make war. i'll tell u how perhaps soon...gotta run)))))


oh we know how sublime the central Green Castle is. thanx for sublime stimulating input

[Catsquotl]

Watched the interview with Inelia today. I searched this thread for more sceptical posts and I wonder why noone has adressed this one??? At first I felt OK with the video but since I have negative experiences from spiritual abuse I tend to gather a lot of info before I can decide whether something resonates with me or not. I have some concerns with Inelias facial expression and the 99$ one should pay to "access ascension" on her website.


I see what you mean.
Having been the victim of false teachings and an unintended member of a group I now percieve as a cult before..

But I also noticed she wrote that her ascension course should be available to any lightworker who felt drawn to it.
So I wrote her an e-mail. ANd without going into to much specifics of my finacial situation, just explaining it in very general terms. I recieved a downloadlink for her course. The only thing she asked me to do is when things are finacialy getting better. to donate what I felt drawn to donate....
So in that regard i can vouche for the fact that she (in my case anyway) acts upon what she writes...

With Love
Eelco

[sirac]

i didn't read anything else, i just want to repent a floor.

dead serious, least u think i forget.

mode of intensity is war.

it is my central hope, i would fail without its promise. deadly serious.

i brought charles in here in a deadly context way. but i did not show u my inner court greetings to the matter (indeed i do not know the specifics as u might, accessed spirit... in spirit, time when i realized he was here was a time for intensity of move, before that i burned to get here when Kerry contexted Niburians for us... i wanted to know the full modes of what she assessed, indeed in way Kerry is most war like of all of us. i know those interviews when it would be , oh no kerry's getting into this, now its like the line we followed and wanteed to access is lost...but it was always a thing of revisiting it[interview] in consciousness, and then realizing Kerry's orientations were fundamental)

[sirac]

understand now a bit more?
least you were floored by your world view into Reification.
that art as Adorno would describe of reading the world wrongly.
i'll start of telling u my orientations.
indeed my value is not in teaching...it is in the model points the access points
do not take it lightly that i like dwelling on Inelia's place....indeed central thing she gave US/WE/ME,
and i will not have it abrogated by lower world views.
though indeed the love greeting was to say GO ON WAY, RETURN SOON SOMEHOW , JUST AS I KNOW I MUST

[sirac]

Catsquotl, indeed central node u are
u understand why u must not see my value
and i understand why i must not see your value.
(or what vectors are we dealing with now.....vectors....let us know....the central thing is acting [not controlling not permitting to a looser value.greetings])

[Catsquotl]

Hi Sirac.

I do try to understand and even respond.
Your way of writing though seems to catch me at a loss.
Don't think I do not value your contribution. I just don't understand them.

With Love
Eelco

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Watched the interview with Inelia today. I searched this thread for more sceptical posts and I wonder why noone has adressed this one??? At first I felt OK with the video but since I have negative experiences from spiritual abuse I tend to gather a lot of info before I can decide whether something resonates with me or not. I have some concerns with Inelias facial expression and the 99$ one should pay to "access ascension" on her website.


I see what you mean.
Having been the victim of false teachings and an unintended member of a group I now percieve as a cult before..

But I also noticed she wrote that her ascension course should be available to any lightworker who felt drawn to it.
So I wrote her an e-mail. ANd without going into to much specifics of my finacial situation, just explaining it in very general terms. I recieved a downloadlink for her course. The only thing she asked me to do is when things are finacialy getting better. to donate what I felt drawn to donate....
So in that regard i can vouche for the fact that she (in my case anyway) acts upon what she writes...

With Love
Eelco

Great! And actually David also charged for an online course so....I really want Inelia to be the Real Thing but I have this initial scepticism due to the abuse I've experienced. I also question David W sometimes but then again, we're all human right! One thing I have a hard time to grasp is that Inelia states she comes directly from The Source and has never been incarnated and will go back to The Source after this reincarnation. I never heared of anything like this before and I've read a lot of "esoterics".

Much bad spelling in the last post, was in a hurry:plane:

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[QUOTE=sirac;303747]transiten.
actually...know not how those things work... but for myself, sometimes i intrinsically distrust Wilcock.
sometimes somehow. but he is the greatest for me for past teachers in awakening excitement into 2012. actually, since that time, leaving all teaching for a while, i felt my predispositions were a bit deceived for how Wilcock came across for me. Not Wilcock, but some predispositions i had after that which lead me into some hectic #h#t.
if in anyway i can describe this letting go, and sometimes re-coming back to a teacher , i'd model it by what i understood of kabalic world views.
it may be that with inelia, you almost share a same II build base II, and hence being in a world removed, you may feel a movement which for the time is malevolent
indeed, once i centre myself again i'll reapproach Wilcock....pinky swear me you'll do the same for Inelia!?!?

Sure sirac, I'm too curious not to :peep: in and see how this unfolds

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[Catsquotl]

Catsquotl,
we have to define major.
{maybe u were in a safe-ish place... maybe it was because your node was ingrebbing this,so u'll didn't feel it,perhaps u instantiated it,& so it was nothing major....but the nothing major is a truism to this subject indeed, its just that i can't place the statement...almost funny in my ear it sounds}


Major in this case is a live changing, if not that, at least a few days of a permuating feeling of change, of something that will not be denied.
These templates came in ever so subtle. I counted the first 86 then felt the 3 larger ones enter.. Did not feel the spark.
over the next few days I could only get a hint (was that real? or imagined?) of them finding their place.
now nearly 4 weeks later no life changing events. no epifanies of insight. No clue as how to work with them from within..
Mind you am not saying they are not there. I am not saying they do not have some profound impact on my personal being(maybe some wishful thinking here)
Just saying recieving them and having the in my field does not feel like anything major(life changing, permuating feeling of change that will not be denied)

With Love
Eelco

[sirac]

cause she say she from source (that is why i am irrevocably drawn, even beyond anyone that can steal)
i'm almost afraid of meeting her in person, for then things will be comprehended immediately, and that might change course

indeed i feel, for better, somehow something of me subfragments....riding with civ.
aim is to be of Ewich status, as billy meier gets to in modeling aspects of how pleiejaren civilization structures.
indeed i hate that man. the misinterpretations that may be understood. that his accessments on the 500million which should be on earth;fitted quite perfectly with illuminati agenda....but then understood as a control point. almost 10billion of us there are. i'm merely playing politics in this. we shuld be of the stars already. infact all of us rightly understanding our purpose,,,,that would be a true machinists dream, imagine how fast and how high we would ride.
part of me really panics at remaining in this mess with u*. of my original parables ,and there understanding within myself i know Inelia's fragments are right. absolutely right. i want to spend time, or be.
infact this is something i can't say now, cause charles build up my understanding of this too. IT is a motor....2 things i have orientated under...and it must produce a third. i know not why ur merger senses are offended by charles. what he really introduced was the one behind him. infact my original greeting to charles was as like a brother. even coincidence i found in him appreciating a 1980's bmw (yes i rode it to...rawer then what followed immediately after,,,good supercar training).... i would have addressed him in one ping and said, why call self a tool. then actually just getting to what i want.. i say glad i am that that one who has hidden in civilization has returned with news i knew..aim of civ stuff. indeed higher model we'll reach than all the aliens which have subfragmented with us to give us some of their values (and i appreciate the mess not with us character of the Nibs. indeed, so small, yet how tenious that even the reps would not mess with them. no illuminati value in them disgust....so low as to eat of that...no what i appreciate is their character....and to be appreciated, one has to give as of an equal....understand this... activating therefore nonetheless, so-that i may give Inelia her praise hyme. you understand not how the youngest most naturally powerfullest enlivens the dead hearts of the old {in this temp zone had a youngest sister...between co-eldest...i am eldest by sister a year younger shares my dads original obstinence...youngest coming in was the mark stone of a new beginning. Inelia is a new beginning a new mark. but those of carnal chastizement would not understand})

*everything i want. heaven. that place. having a part of me remain and systemize within this mess, building civilization is what i want. we don't have civilization now. indeed nibureans for stealing our gold only gave us the starts of civilization. does nobody understand this yet? satisfied they are. eating their own bacteria laden crumbs... (no wonder God still rides with the beggars)


have work to do....cant order these fragments which had to find there footing perfectly for u. but big men u are. kill eat nonetheless.
(this was the original parable of a war like god . indeed i can't be congruent with all negs Collier ascribed to him)
{wilcox thing is funnier. that time i would download transcripts and have a voice program translate....i learned alot,,,but listen in actual to his voice i saw how slow the rate was with which he arrived at it. emotion one can hear}
{know i made mistakes....please pounce}

[sirac]

indeed greater fights than i can handle i always chew off. the aim is always to get a pursuit, and then enemies in pursuing are always weaker. i see i do this over many domains, even work. don't worry, your first prophet will be matyred long before u can see him

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I was in yoga teachers training we had to learn the Bagavad Gita, which I am sure you know.
In it, Arjuna, the hero, is reluctant to go into battle against his brother. And the Lord of battle convinces him that the greatest honor lies in the destruction of evil that is loved and cherished. Or something close to that - its been many years since that time. I remember that I did not agree with this assessment at all and we had some interesting discusions on the topic.

It is a hard decision and not at all clear cut. But I have been to that place, in my small way, and I learned that it is possible to overcome evil without war. Warriors respect force. Show them a force they cannot attack, maim or destroy and they will lay down their arms.

Love is the only way - it is the only force with no equal.

Perhaps the castle with the guitar is a metaphor for love.

Peace

[greybeard]

When I was in yoga teachers training we had to learn the Bagavad Gita, which I am sure you know.
In it, Arjuna, the hero, is reluctant to go into battle against his brother. And the Lord of battle convinces him that the greatest honor lies in the destruction of evil that is loved and cherished. Or something close to that - its been many years since that time. I remember that I did not agree with this assessment at all and we had some interesting discusions on the topic.

It is a hard decision and not at all clear cut. But I have been to that place, in my small way, and I learned that it is possible to overcome evil without war. Warriors respect force. Show them a force they cannot attack, maim or destroy and they will lay down their arms.

Love is the only way - it is the only force with no equal.

Perhaps the castle with the guitar is a metaphor for love.

Peace

I agree with Ernine totally though I would change the word force to power as in this context Love is all powerful
It is the energy in the space in every atom, that is the Power that holds everything in the universe in its form.

The truth is to be found with enlightened teachers.
Enlightenment is the state where ignorance is replaced by spiritual truth.
Every enlightened teacher will say God is Unconditional Love.

Dr Hawkins in Power vs Force highlights and explains why Spiritual Power (Love) always overcomes force which eventually runs out of energy.

Chris

[sirac]

indeed great and respected teachers you are both above. greetings. what these others don't know is that their is no way to defeat me except from that which is higher.
you guys do not understand my view yet
would i disregard my view even amongst u.
no i say.....see these flies flying around....and perhaps then in fullness of time we'll readdress this.
(i still owe to u the parable from my perspective, indeed time is soon ripe)

[sirac]

When I was in yoga teachers training we had to learn the Bagavad Gita, which I am sure you know.
In it, Arjuna, the hero, is reluctant to go into battle against his brother. And the Lord of battle convinces him that the greatest honor lies in the destruction of evil that is loved and cherished. Or something close to that - its been many years since that time. I remember that I did not agree with this assessment at all and we had some interesting discusions on the topic.

It is a hard decision and not at all clear cut. But I have been to that place, in my small way, and I learned that it is possible to overcome evil without war. Warriors respect force. Show them a force they cannot attack, maim or destroy and they will lay down their arms.

Love is the only way - it is the only force with no equal.

Perhaps the castle with the guitar is a metaphor for love.

Peace

I agree with Ernine totally though I would change the word force to power as in this context Love is all powerful
It is the energy in the space in every atom, that is the Power that holds everything in the universe in its form.

The truth is to be found with enlightened teachers.
Enlightenment is the state where ignorance is replaced by spiritual truth.
Every enlightened teacher will say God is Unconditional Love.

Dr Hawkins in Power vs Force highlights and explains why Spiritual Power (Love) always overcomes force which eventually runs out of energy.

Chris

lets try and address y to show i was not toying. good systems of attack u have. i'd be able to interprete GreyBeard better if i knew his castle.
but i don't need to know it. i know that their weapons have a good rotation of attack to battle. i always appreciate Nemeth, knowing his sublime orientations always bring warm fire.
but as i said i do not need to know. the castles are from this work i stole from this man...who owns the MayanDreamspell site (he may want his money now, but i really fear the muslims for one frag misintrepreted from them would be fatawa on me){just google it, and for this new form of terrorism based on birthdates [indeed i am glad for the Maya shift for then i of knowledge would not know my childrens maya, and that would be good for one who can by accumulation of knowledge turn to any war {outer court i speak now, those of inner court do not think wrongly now..language has not provided us all of our tools}]}.
in war systems. that which senses, that which from instant of detection moves, that which coordinates warriors from their own house that is strong. indeed guitar i am no longer ashamed of, that is my rotation of attack, to be constantly aware that is why i say YOUR SENSES ARE TOO MEAGER to be taken up within my arsenal, infact it would weaken me, and what bread will i eat from the carnal once i am as poor as they. don't take up my war council, it may alter your rate of attack, and swords and some massive spears as Nietzsche exercised some of you already have.
i've formed new parables by playing around with my old parables, new application zones i have especially as it pertains to kabalic modeling.
don't u see any of Kerry's orientation to say to the powers that be....game up....all join in now.
or have u not heard or accessed or taken up from that spirit.
what evil.
evil is foolish and weak. bring all of them. dust they will be.
repent therefore now oh foolish. mighty God is Allah and free from all evil they in unknowing would ascribe to him
have u not seen or dealt with the parables of war....how it applies to all human domains and that in them is the correct orientation for all other things. i repeat, it is a mode of intensity. you by preaching your word only allow these foolish to die a prolonged death by their own hand. if i find myself on their time line. be sure....aim to nuke or chemically destroy i would find in my hand to destroy all of them. for giving me hell, hell i would bring. i am not of the chandra

[sirac]

unique view don't i have. fear not u in writing this up. fear nsa for interpretation of last line especially if they would not read all my posts. hear this, i don't need to be of you, of the horde. i am just basically saying don't f**k-up (yes only one word of the temporal domain has this impact). i am making a contract with you and with this world. i will go on my life. peace i want. for i am going to give it much.
have to take up more parables to keep my sublimity, for the is the true castle being* as seperate from the one castle that has instantiated this. know that i am not easily mocked, and that i have high councils and high ways.(*never paused on that word have u?)
its almost to banal to say what i am going to do , i have logicum work, & i will not have the horde distract me from it.
if u can't read my words or don't know a word... yes u would probably know that i borrow chandra for its meaning aspect from the hindu's
original aim of civ we want, in true aspect, not your abhorrent aspects. Leave Inelia alone. don't come and mock at her door. if u will learn not the parable from her. then certainly as u see now u don't want to learn the parable from me. and truely scared u must be if on an evil aspect u find me on your timeline.
i say this, cause my own goals will take 5 years to achieve, and i will not have u stand in the way of the couth which i will create.

parables of war, as i originally understand them.
moved out the veil of the christians with Nietzshe(that one who was so misused r, in fact if misuse me as so, a thousand dooms i will predict .... 8000 to seal u in your way forever)
revisited what i knew when i knew (but i run with so many multiple eggs it is always a chicken and egg story, one never knows what comes first.....but to remove myself from this fast wind, i am calming down, and telling u really really, i have high hope and that high hope is my only true ultimate shield from evil, indeed know i have to win, for otherwise that One God will not admit me. u only know the outer perpetuated veil of lies. an original parable of the idols say they were keep as a reminder to do good by a pre-civilization, indeed of high standing they were, but then when others viewed these subprincipalities then they became taken up with it. know u not that in this domain devil swore to use any tool against u. lady gaga junk, u like that, even i can grove to that, but why it inflames u is because u have not known anything deeper, as the true mights of god, which thou hast discard...now inflamed with every evil u willl be. hear this, for gaga, cure is trance music. pure european trance. but before u get their hear the heart songs of the isrealise true good music they produce... indeed the original parables are lockup with those of the languages , religion is almost within the language system. but it is only lock-up for a future time. then us all we will intreprete the fragments and become one. forget not what i said about absolute posits of reality. but really now in a other domain i must work to build a house. hear again, don't spoil it, that is my heart desire. i remove signiture. this is signiture. hear it. fly out of your way i will (to be embroiled with wrong battle i will not be. know u not of the right domains. they aren't carnal. infact carnality breaks it. i want a central place, and to get it i will move. i have taken up my fruit, u carry on. u know not how closely i have addressed u for u could not interprete one of my fragments). my fathers parable was train, mine was jet, my sons will be ufo). its a saturday somewhere perhaps. cannot pick fruit while it grows

[Christine roby]

I watched your interview with anelia last night it sent shivers up my spine she verbalized what I think and feel a truly beautiful spirit I think too things are sent to you at the right time this includes people if you ever find a person looking at you it's usually you have a message for them or they have a message. For you I will always say hello to such a person and find they are people like me and we have a strong spiritual bond

[sirac]

is so is so, to presumptuous to be in be, [by/bye][bye/by]

[sirac]

oh in summary, to understand this catch all previous posts. lets not forget how this whole long fight started.
someone came and mocked inelia directly, then i mocked their teacher directly

peace token i gave by saying i'll go back to wilcock.
so don't come and return the favour by mocking inelia again with other teacher in mouth,
my secret opinion is u snared by the mouth of the enemy
really
really
bentausi

anycase....still can't unsubscribe,...they give some error, & i don't want to hit the unsubscribe from all threads buzzer
do me a favour and post something unoblivious so it can just stay in my inbox while i don't have to come back
i'll just go to ascension101
or come to avalone directly thru the frontpage
(when i misspell i do so as the hebrews. when i sentence mechanism, so of the tecs of germans and french i hope to molde into the structure of my english. this is a writing hand. i am never ever a ....)(behind the mechanism person which is why i can trace so elagantly into somany dangerous subframe...see how northern castle has moved before the enemy and this merely from pinging..i don't want to conteminate this page with maya stuff, it is mostly for information purposes [on inelia's stuff] which should continue to be so.....u isdfse should become aware oof your own psychological quarum...cell or insect type signaling with standard response mechanisms for....or in when...a limit threshold has been reached.greetings...i fear reading Inelia's light and dark worker page....when i do i will not become convinced of mechanisms...as of the common chandra...but i fear what it will do to my working hand....it would stimulate me to work...but i never abrogate teacherss...i hopeu see that...oh combining words with pronouns is also another style i saw...i'm merely intrigued and like using it.)

it would stimulate me to open two sub-ideas
see i am a logic processor....before interacting with a work all my previous workings are in my logic processor...in info goes...then comes out a 3rd...if i have a reaction with the lightworker darkworker thing...i will become more convinced of...
and this will mainly have to deal with heart charkra.(i did say something in loretolaw about killing i think a diamond would tend to want to kill a dark worker...but then my thought is complex...cause i saw others of the prio merely..hold them in bound from the top of the hill --just because overpurpose for moment same/sane{how similar})
but inelia has weird cool heart charkra, one always finds a spaciousness of elements...one is kind of set at rest.
i hope bill liked my diamond mechanism
was it merely a mechanism [as of its own]
or did i merely say i was using it and so excusing something.
know not.
that is how the matrix swallows up. i too must be swallowed for a while in rest

{oh my latest mechanism on phrasing has me flying to fast... i will alter its rate in time when i am convinced i will not lose any older mechanisms....ur heart charkas are all so messed up when u guys constantly think on logical duality factors in the world....yes cut air sword cut.....for all my mistakes ...really hear the story of kenshin}

:target: inelia information purposes...as was...{my sentence mechanism above was to fast to capture this thought -on paper- there[above]}.... appreciations sound so fickle for me, as i am fickle i see this. i still can't believe a panic of types was created...this is the chandra as information ....see why even i should leave, i know my mechanisms, my true cutting blade is not for this place....soldiers can't go where policemen(adminis) should tread...really please unsubscribe me from here.don't tell me how to do it...ur page has a bug...just do it

[sirac]

while i am the only one here
often my own personal stuff, becomes entangled thru the lens u would see.

i learned of heart charkra's today amongst the chandra, that they see sword-air statements as lies, sometime jealousy, encrouching on their heart charkra, cause that is they are fooled, they would have driven out the very seeds which would have gone to the illuminati and have returned with dread upon them.
yes this is rose with thorns. since u are easily fooled each way...i care not now....(in any case many thorns, so why care)

these are 3 fairy tales i see,
often i have to get inspired by immersing myself before hitting more mundane stuff.
encode the parables yourself and u will see me, and the situation as i might think it will go. in anycase i need not worry for i gave myself a time to go away.uknowwaris near my lips

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Quorum sensing is a system of stimulus and response correlated to population density. Many species of bacteria use quorum sensing to coordinate gene expression according to the density of their local population. In similar fashion, some social insects use quorum sensing to determine where to nest. In addition to its function in biological systems, quorum sensing has several useful applications for computing and robotics.
Quorum sensing can function as a decision-making process in any decentralized system, as long as individual components have: (a) a means of assessing the number of other components they interact with and (b) a standard response once a threshold number of components is detected.


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[edit] Honey bees
Honey bees (Apis mellifera) also use quorum sensing to make decisions about new nest sites. Large colonies reproduce through a process called budding, in which the queen leaves the hive with a portion of the workers to form a new nest elsewhere. After leaving the nest, the workers form a swarm that hangs from a branch or overhanging structure. This swarm persists during the decision-making phase until a new nest site is chosen.
The quorum sensing process in honey bees is similar to the method used by Temnothorax ants in several ways. A small portion of the workers leave the swarm to search out new nest sites, and each worker assesses the quality of the cavity it finds. The worker then returns to the swarm and recruits other workers to her cavity using the honey bee waggle dance. However, instead of using a time delay, the number of dance repetitions the worker performs is dependent on the quality of the site. Workers that found poor nests stop dancing sooner, and can therefore be recruited to the better sites. Once the visitors to a new site sense that a quorum number (usually 10–20 bees) has been reached, they return to the swarm and begin using a new recruitment method called piping. This vibration signal causes the swarm to take off and fly to the new nest location. In an experimental test, this decision-making process enabled honey bee swarms to choose the best nest site in four out of five trials.[28][29]


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[edit] Controversy
As quorum sensing implies a cooperative behavior, this concept has been challenged by the evolutionary implication of cooperative cheaters. This is circumvented by the concept of diffusion sensing, which has been an alternative and complementary model to quorum sensing. However, both explanations face the problems of signalling in either complex (multiple species sharing the same space) or simple (one single cell confined to a limited volume) environments where the spatial distribution of the cells can be more important for sensing than the cell population density. A new model, efficiency sensing, which takes into account both problematics, population density and spatial confinement, has been proposed as an alternative.[22] One of the probable reasons for controversy is that current terminologies (quorum sensing, diffusion sensing, efficiency sensing) all imply an understanding of the motives and benefits of the process, and may be observed to apply under some circumstances but not others. Perhaps a sensible resolution to these controversies could be to return the terminology of the process to autoinduction, as originally described by Hastings and coworkers, as this term does not imply understanding of the intent(s) or benefit(s) of the process.

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i still have to posit my opinion on light and dark workers before i encounter Inelia's work, then i will read hers, then i will posit a 3rd subconclusion

[shamanseeker]

Hi Njord! Inelia resonated with me immediately and that's how I was drawn to this forum. I've been doing her very straight-forward processing exercises and am not having the serious problems I had for quite a few years with my nervous system. Inelia doesn't judge and she imparts a message of pure love. I suppose I'm lucky in that I came across her just when I was ready to hear her message.
Bye!

[sirac]

oh thanx, this means i can go.
--but the subprocessium is weird. here the time-line goes on,
but what have i encountered, a potential of where....
to dangerous are things sometimes, the highest wisdom of my father was not to say something least it explode, it would be better if we heard it elsewhere,
that is often as something said would and could stimulate fear.
post above yours was reactive perhaps with bills opinion. as said, many imaginery bouts...(lets leave, even that is too embracing)

[sirac]

k, i can leave strategic issue A,
but i must quickly show what i meant on strategic issue B,
least these two uglyly become the same thing

B issue.
how i see the good evil stuff. dark worker light worker modeling. let me put u in no doubt to what i am. but maybe i should, cause i want striking perogative on anything.
this is what i think the modeling of this stuff is.
a dark worker wouldn't want a light worker of equal stature....for this would break, or provide light for them on issues.
so see it from there perspective....i know i am hiding, but that has nothing to do with the issue...they hiding...why.
consider a sublevel. they send out doers.....{this logistics branch goes too long}

actually really , why they don't or stop sending out. is because you learn by all earlier encounters. so they in a hard tundry. they want to overwhelm but if you learn to much, they can't...so lulls might be necassary.
just know in my modeling, the doers are nothing....like dust,
u can see the evil in their eyes, and u feel greater will, strike once, and i will have the will to not only do that but more..


see how complex modeling is at the centre.
i should reserve my task basis.

break is for holiday break
break is for quarum sensing
other break is i will not break,...but kindly i've told that i've returned the gift to all who would have and i gave u my Bleach[anime] parable to describe the ...or give feeling for the art of breaking the reality breaker...or reality deceiver.bye for good...for shamanseeker and like is all that should be seen here....just movement...need to direct my eyes elsewhere....such modeling as mine does not belong to well in the mundane/here...if i process to-much now i may ruin it.... i just always need the right inset point on which to move. myself sounds good enough for now

mundane / here. both. i've learned from a boss / mentor /prodder/goodguy. many fragmentium to a moving reality. sometimes u try and expand to much on sub-issue, the thing is already going .but last thing....good war exercise of types we had,even i can take the satisfaction that i did not ruin everything if i see it from that perspective.men need great wisdom.[tI]

[sirac]

k, i know what it is, just analyzed a part...it may be swirly but don't take the lie,
there is a central core only some picking up would have seen.

it let me know what diamond is at rest
i was focusing on issueA...dropped, issueB...got novel insight...could promulguate across the mechanism base, but as i tried to talk about it here,
i realized issueA and issueB....were like hangman energy points channeling across say a diamonds edges,
i was writing , and now it seems relatively automatic(bottom of diamond..the swirliness is just from the things in environment unlocking some flow sets) in my observation now,
but the top point of the diamond was actually interactive with relative audience sets as i perceived them.

there fore i say drop now dangerous,

this is now my third subconclusion
diamond can never be used by any side good or bad
[end momentum]
[end momentum...even to take up a small hand is bad, i hope u can see this is why i want to withdraw my complete reflective base...if i want to go,need my own wings ,i still know i interact with reality very dangerously.i feel somehow an only proper place would be a top of pyrimid...see why the evil ones parables are attractive. it is wanting to be,and seeing where to be. but again. they can't be on any side. i just have to take satisfaction from building.and not here,my light reflective sets are only exciting in battle, and dangerous at standstill as above]

[shamanseeker]

Hi Nancy, I might be wrong but maybe it could be detrimental for us to send negative energy, even if it's back to the one who sent it to us. Maybe, we should send that negative energy back to source. The way I see it is that a message of truth is very straightforward and simple per se. The truth from source will never be complicated in my opinion. Afterall, truth is love and love is truth. The message of the real Jesus, not the one concocted by the churches, was extremely simple and straightforward.
Best wishes!

[Yoda]

New Inelia interview with Lisa Harrison!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkErO_FvYIU&feature=player_embedded

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[sirac]

nancy, yes, obliterated,....my pm didn't go thru. but for such a conclusion, either very erudite, or i know what and where you have read it. messages are such as time clocks.
i'm choosing to build all of my exciting mechanism bases again for self. so care not.

personally i would have told u about jesus...properly, but out in open not.
but u right this is the time for phase flow of that. cheers....can one seend obliteration back to source, or would one need to.
wrong contexting from others can inhibit.
hell i inhibit...see how long it took u's to achieve flow again. hell i want to achieve flow...so let me drop this issue before it becomes double or triple

even so ... Inelia's stuff is the most exciting out there... s o t h a n x f o r a message clock

[sirac]

i'll finish this while near.
individual build model,....build,.....weakest areas are last....

its tempting to move in this logic domain on your weaknesses.
and being a man behind pen....is a bit like throwing stones.
i need to go to the final phase of the parable. killing snakes by stick.(or instantly as they stand up.... but in regular domains would need a tome of work to be able to do this). know the timing now....which i had to build thru blindness. we'll see perhaps nancy next , oh i shouldn't build like this, or should i. no , i should ...whatever.... these words even subfragment into me. i got there, thanx for expressing your surprise here.
already cashed my capital....(i could see an ultimate mechanism...enough to rest and put energy elsewhere)

okay be logical...not of the cuff.
you are right about your mechanism shaman seeker or be'er. no more secrets for rabbits

[sirac]

sorry i sometimes process reality by posting. i have many friends who have given me precious things...(few friends i am an intp,like they say of them)

no we not attached to our individuality.....{post edit, this was in the interview...i agreed then it does not seem sensible by my logical mechanisms of moving ... i think people withdraw from themselves if they are not -so-centred?-? promulgation of dimensions on a heart level by sighting of ghosts..how discussing,as if this does not bow and we do not rise....is this lie..it is only lie here...at problems now in interview...so u know this is a round lens...goes down there to end and comes back here fourth....manual?}

Inelia's secret co in power thoughout her lens is non-worry. just listenning to the ri icu es interviewers way.
this is why i like inelia, highest of these yet not with attachments from the others learning frames. cudos
oh suboc was that poet who gave me this mechanism. for u it is sorry


oh my stick thing is from a dream.
my father started killing snakes cause he grew impatient with people throwing stones at them.
i really heard he took down cobra, without glasses, a stick again!
my dream was in that process reality -- ascension process .. should we say as inelia says.
its about heart constructs not married to this illogical logic --my words {and all u'd try and see is flaws in --- logic...u name the name, its many for this ---}
oh i'm learning now...keeping silent.
let's not the reptils plac

[sirac]

august was my best month
cause i burst then or soon after then.{{phase time thing}

oh this interviewer knows pressure. cudos to her

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u misinterprete my ways..words...summarization words... she felt the split...cudos

[sirac]

great interview.
i felt isolated in not being mirrored in that, but i came to that place, it is good hearing this an-d setting in to orientate. i feel the general niceness of the energy.
{like dimension talk{}onions are hard}

[sirac]

i've felt dark energy from people ... is it dark... i encountered it once in ..
okay but i have learned how to sense it.
i made a mistake by engaging someone once then.

do i make a mistake by posting.... dropping , i wonder whether i am buying myself into a

from all of these things... many descriptions... why do all illuminate me?.....Train?

[sirac]

all of these victim mentalities
and there varying degrees,
is the mechanistic i knew and didn't want to describe...which is why i said.... mechanism build.....weakest sometimes last...as i said in m y defiant tone..take it for yourselves

lets not have others control ourselves but ourselves controlling ourselves.

i must not fear overall timeline..... sometimes i fear i am in that vibrational category that was mentioned earlier...was it bad...inelia did not categorically in narrative describe that cause narrative went past that...why would some vibrations go to source*

i see four lenses out.
future here..... fear for future in here
future there..... giving up here (false thought)
future there ....future here .....processing fearto gain abilities...christian structures have other meditative structures#...
lose way when in abilities ... yes. but this is commentary. i've made space for my other work hadn so-that i am not nancy

*did they have a doomed effect, like for pure poetry future for future or past ..tosource us,,,,,,(thats not poetry...its the lens i used for hangman to say both are sort of doomed, it is like encountering energy break to come).....damn i need to live 5 year!?!?!,,,,,{its a joke , don't know where i am going}

....2 for strange alien specie....perhaps it is ..u can only tap past a breaking mechanism when 2 of the collective could as a collective broadcast...block was perhaps as natural universe mechanism..as perhaps we'd come across.....HISTORY IS STRONG>>>IT SETS OUR FUTURE IT IS MY LIGHT AND LOVE
((sadness and loss was before august wasn't it??))
{hollow earth...simply from internet stuff, it is that they wanted us to evolve so that they could also collectively with us go to that future...we need them all as they would need us to need us all, all race times and parables as by my own/[old] words perhaps}

#i can now say of its relative history it is broad. as i would se e it by the jesu connection ... if we understand his fragment we unite tomorrow including chinese.
i see it thus-ly let not fake audiences perturb me {this is mechanism based i was philo structure set...so glad to have a third lens now..byso}
muslim intrepretation was right... there fragments, that he was not god sun but he didn't leave a message either so it was for muhammed to abstain miracles so as to get a process document ((forget the mistakes of their dogma,don't see any of their lenses it weakens u)),
but the true inner circle stuff he built ...that went to the Manicheaens... and they spread as such wildfire that Hinduism Christianity Jewdism Buddism tried to expunge them
what actual jesus must have created was a secret order of text .. i believe my book says in the lower meditarean region were mancheanism could have co spread {{powers that be have removed this document and i believe like only 12% is ours and this only the stu id cosmological s it that could be ... well, i want the whole document ...translated in english unfortuanately but i want to elucit structures.
but it might be... yes the other part i feel may be a lie, i haven't processed it, or have, but it can lend credence to a dangerous lie. but still, since i can't logicalize/systems/logistics this,... i guess i must just be in bliss to leave top part here, and let u guys co create reality till we can see it, i see it, and u see yours.... so we can cross compare. many are the nautineer. i actually got this from them,surprised at inelia's ...how did she get that word...it is not commonly contexted anymore

[sirac]

oh thats the last one ever

no information to share

just showin what goes on in my head.
i need never expand on even a small definition fragment
i just hope to show the quandry of processing reality. well do so elsewhere[okay]. not proces s to learn but process to be. BYE FOREVER HERE. i just saw. last i needed to see, or to be seen of actual energy set in by this signiture. i still keep it , but u dont see it.....(how do we request that thing?_the one offered, i see not common space for such a request..as soon as i set in with a logistics bridge i am as a man stepping on a bridge causing fire...burning it, i take it now cause it sets back on saying i can go but u can't follow __this statement implodes)

[Mother]

oh thats the last one ever

no information to share

just showin what goes on in my head.
i need never expand on even a small definition fragment
i just hope to show the quandry of processing reality. well do so elsewhere[okay]. not proces s to learn but process to be. BYE FOREVER HERE. i just saw. last i needed to see, or to be seen of actual energy set in by this signiture. i still keep it , but u dont see it.....(how do we request that thing?_the one offered, i see not common space for such a request..as soon as i set in with a logistics bridge i am as a man stepping on a bridge causing fire...burning it, i take it now cause it sets back on saying i can go but u can't follow __this statement implodes)

Sirac,
be in peace!
:hug:

[sirac]

oh thats the last one ever

no information to share

just showin what goes on in my head.
i need never expand on even a small definition fragment
i just hope to show the quandry of processing reality. well do so elsewhere[okay]. not proces s to learn but process to be. BYE FOREVER HERE. i just saw. last i needed to see, or to be seen of actual energy set in by this signiture. i still keep it , but u dont see it.....(how do we request that thing?_the one offered, i see not common space for such a request..as soon as i set in with a logistics bridge i am as a man stepping on a bridge causing fire...burning it, i take it now cause it sets back on saying i can go but u can't follow __this statement implodes)

oh this was posted in the sequence when somebody pm'ed me to say.....do u think it is a good idea to be here in your present stage of ..spir development {plus other logistical branch sets like maybe finding another forum..}
anycase i replied: Okay take it. for i was at that note
what i meant by inspecificity of narrative based describable was this: for those with vibration frequency that could not be here....so flocking here there and such forth, two stood out...'with source' {negative energy aspect was their tooin Inelia's describle} and future.(perhaps reality reincarnation here)
this caused panic for i knew not neither....choosing each one would cause panic for now

i know the thing of august. it must have been a month when all potential timelines stood together.

anycase...
u can take this back
(i.e. like a general saying...yeah, i don't need my armies there anymore)
i'll ping elsewhere.
not comment on interviews opennly as here ever. decided
and u guys can go forth with your ... {well i can't transliterate socion language basings...u give the they move....but u guys may not know if my word is honest....but that is the shift and my inclarity on information aswell. ....scared of being energetically disturbed and dieing, other ba tar s have caused socionic problems for me potentially again, by blocking direct advancement path on a thing i needed to do this weekend,just need to sit and relax and think what else i can do now}

so gone here. have it back kindly. (oh and thanx mother type person)

[sirac]

--[thank-u , a further thread voice that u cannot hear .. indeed this goes with the 8 of the snake]--
this can come now too,

Go Rin No Sho - book 5
THE BOOK OF THE VOID:

The Ni To Ichi Way of strategy is recorded in this the Book of the Void.

What is called the spirit of the void is where there is nothing. It is not included in man's knowledge. Of course the void is nothingness. By knowing things that exist, you can know that which does not exist. That is the void.

People in this world look at things mistakenly, and think that what they do not understand must be the void. This is not the true void. It is bewilderment.

In the Way of strategy, also, those who study as warriors think that whatever they cannot understand in their craft is the void. This is not the true void.

To attain the Way of strategy as a warrior you must study fully other martial arts and not deviate even a little from the Way of the warrior. With your spirit settled, accumulate practice day by day, and hour by hour. Polish the twofold spirit heart and mind, and sharpen the twofold gaze perception and sight. When your spirit is not in the least clouded, when the clouds of bewilderment clear away, there is the true void.

Until you realise the true Way, whether in Buddhism or in common sense, you may think that things are correct and in order. However, if we look at things objectively, from the viewpoint of laws of the world, we see various doctrines departing from the true Way. Know well this spirit, and with forthrightness as the foundation and the true spirit as the Way. Enact strategy broadly, correctly and openly.

Then you will come to think of things in a wide sense and, taking the void as the Way, you will see the Way as void.

In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness.


Twelfth day of the fifth month, second year of Shoho (1645)

Teruo Magonojo for SHINMEN MUSASHI

i don't know emotions are like a spiral.


since i carry many domain and constantly try to balance everything,
when something unexpected shoots me on one foot {ryhme makes this inspecific: i.e. imagine contexts x-z, running parralel ...u spend so much time tracing where context zyx is in time to completion...that when one stops, u have to spend time on the fault finding, and refind say zy in timeline}..
so that is why bastards come out,

when in the historitive context briefcase...the story is pretty illuminating
for instance, this was where i would have run down my 180samples perfectly, but for lack of want of staying on one step, where unsurity was...do and kill all samples...wait at you have to figure it in for time.&
so much to do, which to do to centre heart and get energetic perspective, and then in sequence u have to get to ...line sequence iuytr(picture x aspect, where prior zyx is y aspect as on xy-paralel line axis)
but spend to long on any of each iuytr and you don't get to do uytr or whatever...some tasking taken up change the perspective of what comes next...that is mere play here...but on regular world well....okay time manage

form but sentence above, this is pysician who can't heal himself as by the Gk parables
from....
b
& this is very inspecific, cause this one caused a time co-ordination issue
(last )

...these are mag c tricckwords seemingly perhaps.
but i want ot put down my fianl quandry...the only one i can have


oh i know whati have to do now....g
{macrophores microphores anyone on the aspcet of the movement base of this one...}
...last one, it is the generic verso/verse (yes even the the last one had to have an inverse mirror for all ..... its cause i [w]right in conclusional base structure that is all why it seems my hand is so... for u it is idiocy...forget all my previous narrative systems in hearing that ..prophetic, i think that applies for natural planners [[if u understand systems aspects , the propf one makes no sense, it is merely ....it seems i'm like the french now good swinging with a sabre, but i needed to switch to long sword a while ago and u have not understood....what u see i sculptre it is 3arts in,to the 5th and then 3 arts out to the other side. all]]. which is why i must find some )
...let me not say what i do in daily life, then it was ch ming for effect that u could zoom, but i don't ... or that i would

..g back to lab and be swallowed in other language systems

[shamanseeker]

Hello Inelia, I've been wanting to ask you this question since you posted the article (see excerpts below): Spaceship Earth - and you are the Captain on your site. My understanding was at first that the people who hadn't woken up before the split would be taken with their dark masters into a dense world when they reincarnate. I was depressed for a long time thinking that my family who are lovely people but who do not want to believe that our leaders are who they really are had no hope of ascension and would have to wait thousands of years for another chance. Then I read about billions of sleepers maybe being carried with us and this gives me hope.
I'd really appreciate it if you could clarify this for me. Does this mean that there is still a chance for the people I love so much to wake up and be able to enter a higher dimension?
That week, you were asked to leave your body when the split took place, I felt really nauseous and couldn't eat. Is that something to do with this?
Thank you for all the help you've given me. Knowing about you arrived just at the right time for me. I've learnt so much from your site.

Excuse me if I've taken the following quotes out of context. This is the address: www.ascension101.com


"...the Splitting of the Worlds. This event, mentioned by so many, awaited by millions, mentioned in religions and cultures around the world, had happened. That much I knew.
The souls divided between light and dark, awakened and asleep, aware and blind.
An agreement was struck roughly a year ago, about what happens with those who did not wake up enough to make a choice. The agreement was that the "dark side" take them into their new reality. The reality where enslavement, pain, suffering and fear reign. Why? Because there is something in the game called "free will". The population was informed, and if an individual decides to ignore that information, it means they do not want to know. It means someone else can make a decision for them.

It is not up to me to choose whether those billions of sleepers are carried by us, forced to wake up, or left to their choice of wanting to stay asleep, not responsible for their actions, and let the "dark" take responsibility for them as they take them into a denser, darker Earth."

[Logan]

Inelia,

I just listened to your interview on YouTube with Bill and found it fascinating and everything you say rings very true. I realize I think that I have already been working on raising awareness simply by awakening myself and doing work in my own life. That positivity resonates with those around me. I feel it.

I wish you all the best and I will take a peek at your website at home later when I have time.

[sirac]

u have a 33 post Shamanseeker. truely glorious. i was there. i ...well this is the 7 ...the 7 where 6 have gone before it to sniff the wind.
i think its RELATIVITY,
that time was flat for me, 20-28Aug, and gone thru hectic things before, and spirit was building on things. and then after ....{picture a wave form going into 20-28 then extending again}, well i only saw that specific one...much much later ...our heart identifies...its just we on the opposite side of the scope..seeing wise but {your} orientations are now perfectly sensible to me.

maybe the time became brighter afterwards, because WE came in...i.e. u and i shamanseeker. no quells. greetings. no return momentum either. i move so fast on these things that why it seems innoseating (it is just flux form....perhaps u were really experiencing flux forms)


sorry..train must pass by.
but verso of the inverse inorbed above....similarily inverse (talking hangman taro cards)
is for those who would disproportion above.
imagine wave forms coming into Aug20-28 then wave forms coming out.
perhaps with each of these shifts(rather than splits perhaps..though split is the energy systematic description) is that many more come in.


ever considre inelias director pos
(train must pass to deploy elsewhere, i just preceived ...nauseas as during that time as lie... but realized relative perspective when saw conce s).by

bye.no tarot reading. i have to much to know. i simply flow on wave form systems, jsut glad that tarot is like a complex logics system. .. see i came to it last, not me to it first. and i don't advocate the systmes lust i 've seen on the internet. if it really was the atlantian art, thatn it is like a magic frorm for if we have attained the levels reach of many systems, limited in each sense by eacch systema as outgrow, then u would understand why we reach for the most ancient artl
the 4__o overC i, tat iu mentioned,{{}see the reverse energetic mirror on this statement to that stablilty.b}

[shamanseeker]

Hi Sirac, thank you for answering me. To be honest, I had no idea what you were saying at first. It's a bit like reading Nostradamus ;-) Then after reading about 5 times, I suppose you are writing as you read the Tarot cards and understood only a little. But thanks all the same :-)

[nomadguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDeYNXLkvjI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwPIUorCIM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dECg5fkpdR4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyUqUh9bn6M&feature=related

[Solstice]

Bill, I have been an Avalonian for around 24 hours now and just beginning to post. I was blown away with your interview with Inelia, went to her website and discovered that I,m not the only person that had problems sleeping this month and why. What a revelation! I hope to be able to contribute to this project and want to thank everyone for a safe place where I can finally get answers.

[psci]

I posted Inelia's most recent interview (Sept 20th) to http://pscinet.blogspot.com. Check out the other posts, as well.

[Ascension]

I am new to the forum and decided to sign up after watching the Inelia interview. I was very moved by her words and her vision of hope and the idea that we as a collective can effect change. It also opened up a whole slew of questions in trying to understand some of the ideas she presented.

I'll just start with my first question. If an infinite number of timelines exist simultaneously, and all outcomes are possible in any given timeline, why is there intense interest by the collective in the outcome of any one timeline and in particular, this timeline? Should not all timelines happen as they happen? If it has to do with an unwritten law of the universe that the playing field should always be balanced, are there other timelines where this adjustment is occurring as well to ensure a level playing field? Should there not be an equal number of timelines where negative "wins" so to speak? Do timelines exist where positive has an unfair advantage and are adjusted by the negative elements of the collective?

I appreciate any clarification you may be able to provide.

[Mother]

I am new to the forum and decided to sign up after watching the Inelia interview. I was very moved by her words and her vision of hope and the idea that we as a collective can effect change. It also opened up a whole slew of questions in trying to understand some of the ideas she presented.

I'll just start with my first question. If an infinite number of timelines exist simultaneously, and all outcomes are possible in any given timeline, why is there intense interest by the collective in the outcome of any one timeline and in particular, this timeline? Should not all timelines happen as they happen? If it has to do with an unwritten law of the universe that the playing field should always be balanced, are there other timelines where this adjustment is occurring as well to ensure a level playing field? Should there not be an equal number of timelines where negative "wins" so to speak? Do timelines exist where positive has an unfair advantage and are adjusted by the negative elements of the collective?

I appreciate any clarification you may be able to provide.

Hello,
welcome! You will probably receive many answers to your question, for there are a lot of enlightened, wise and well informed avalonian members who can help you, as they have been helping people like me, but may I suggest: if you have questions that you want Inelia to answer, try to get in touch through her site www.ascension101.com; there are a lot of wonderful explanations there, already, and chances are that she answers you quickly than here.
Again, welcome, and have fun!

[sirac]

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-information/31-september-2010/95-the-nature-of-darkness-in-duality.html?start=4
[seen now, sorry for personal reading, gradually discover these things in waves ... in personatude, read all,refl i c]
suboc was the poet who also knew i channelled of the vortex


i c wilcocks site. weapons so powerful even origni would be questionned, so then pease,...this is a big subFractuim any energy would put there force behind. .in systems approach macro to micro in every wave (picturing a dual sort of thing spining, i'm only one mouth buti pick up where f m has fold)...red biteis cool

[araucaria]

I am new to the forum and decided to sign up after watching the Inelia interview. I was very moved by her words and her vision of hope and the idea that we as a collective can effect change. It also opened up a whole slew of questions in trying to understand some of the ideas she presented.

I'll just start with my first question. If an infinite number of timelines exist simultaneously, and all outcomes are possible in any given timeline, why is there intense interest by the collective in the outcome of any one timeline and in particular, this timeline? Should not all timelines happen as they happen? If it has to do with an unwritten law of the universe that the playing field should always be balanced, are there other timelines where this adjustment is occurring as well to ensure a level playing field? Should there not be an equal number of timelines where negative "wins" so to speak? Do timelines exist where positive has an unfair advantage and are adjusted by the negative elements of the collective?

I appreciate any clarification you may be able to provide.

Hi Ascension

In Borges’ The Garden of Forking Paths, an eminent scholar explains to a student who reveres him that there is a timeline where they are enemies. The story is about that timeline. Borges provides a satisfactory plot whereby the scholar is murdered by this student. He dies uncomplainingly because he is resigned to this happening in some universe.

There is a great deal of poetic licence in having precisely this unlikeliest of events occurring in the here and now. A real-world synonym for poetic licence might be fatalism – I will let this happen because it is bound to happen somewhere. Let me suggest to you an alternative, drawn from the real world as far as my research and intuition tell me.

Imagine a man who realizes that his brother is going to kill him because he is likely to blow the whistle on his evil doings. He drops dead at the very moment when this murderous plan has gone into action. So the brother is fratricidal in thought but not in deed, but once his brother is conveniently out of the way, his affairs do not prosper, but go into decline.

What we have here is the opposite of fatalism. It is tantamount to saying, this evil deed is not going to happen in any timeline, and at the very least not in this one. To the extent that he is in connection with his soul operating on many different timelines, the effect of his one action, much more powerful that it seems, ricochets across these other timelines.

Ultimately I see multiple timelines as the effect of reality splitting at every possible choice. If you can focus your intentions to the point of making no choices, (eg by deciding that in no timeline will my brother ever kill me), you can cause them on the contrary to coalesce.

Just my two cents, let me know if it’s too succinct.

[sirac]

my friend donald says. indeed i have an original donald tshirt but,

his one of those galactic portal types in maya, and when i said i tossed around my kabalic parables, what i actually meant is they sowerd across those old maya subfragments which even i have forgotten for a new-er type,....but i want to prtoetect myself with information to,
from implication impression which u are goin g to get ...amany promulgeous interpreti for any one so let it mbe not his words of my phase waepone but his own words this is what he siaid in his relative ignorance as did iL

:
i'm recalling waht u said to me the other day.but i'm just going to interprete it in my own words.10s.u are saying what is actually happening now.15s.is beyond the forces of the physical.18.that is what u are saying ..& i believe say is
...i'll c posts just now and see if i justify use of the tongue...he must hear and repeat to me.notme
i believe that the biggest difficulty is actually realizing how to function in the spiritual i can't understand it,...i just can't fathom it


..relative kabalic subfragtum that must be as ye t attenuated by i, eye but it eye am so much in dirt. alway later ene n for later. know not to turust anyone of foci mec, but will statrtig n with this WAR is won i mbuy my susbfragtum fdonald is right i will see by wyyorr information mechanism whether as yet u understand him.,sorry donald for seeing the hand of the sirac

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cool 2cents

[sirac]

oh for your subfragtium the key for your understanding is th e lucky number

below 12 , now o no .,13

is
perhaps
dualitim subeject to information war.

oh my little antimage, with the right tool kits for an agility hero he used to be able to chase down an d kill mages.


don't u guys see how primariy Inelia is along with Ickie along wthi Wilcock.
its just art i present here. but it is real for som e subfractum that would say dust to all who do not understand.(wehere as i am wisdonm weak for understanrtding).


w&u
in my first kab unlock when at world end of all previous teaching then i intutied kab tre


......even this last post i see is subject to the poewer of whoever bends it stronger for wicheich ever enermy so graceful bowout is lall i trust.

&&
i just don't mean on a forum or anti this that level. i mean on every leve l whic his why it is so scary see. every banal winodow(that say in g huaman is banal.but u have not interpreted energy cross points in my posting hyet. so which is why just bow out.bye for your by).oh weel since writing is a useless mechanism anyhow. i will let otherss tell u.thisISaGoddpoint to be swllowed by martix see,whichisiwhyican

even last para has a cross point enerygy to banal to state for infarctitude by nice.butugle y to state. crossout

[Ascension]

Thank you Araucaria for your reply. It sent me off in multiple directions.

On the story about the brother, you are saying that the brother is karmically, for lack of a better word, responsible for his thought even though he did not directly bring about his brother's demise.

Applying this to our situation in this timeline, then it can be inferred that that those who think negatively will suffer karmically as a result if the outcome is a negative one. This is a viewpoint from the positive perspective, is it not? What do the negative-intentioned people see as an outcome? If their negative outcome is not achieved, do they see themselves as being karmically branded by the opposing side? In fact, wouldn't they see the punishment as being given positive karma which would move them toward the positive side? Does this apply to those who have not thought about it for whatever reason or the ones who think negatively because they have been deceived..

On the coalescence idea, I liken it to a stream flowing to a particular point of negativity. By injecting positive thoughts we are throwing pebbles into the stream. In order to change the course of the stream, a large amount of rocks will be needed, otherwise, the water simply rejoins itself on the other side of the rocks. Which means that every thought we have does not affect a change. It is only the sum of all thoughts and as a result, many will suffer who are not on the largest side. In other words, if so many people focus on a positive result but the end is negative, they suffer in human form for lack strength in numbers but gain positive karma for attempting to make a change. It matters only from the perspective of a human being on this planet then. It is an attempt to prevent suffering on this planet in this timeline, correct? In the scheme of eternal existence, it makes no difference. Those striving for the negative will move in that direction based on their thoughts and those striving for positive will toward positive.

Okay, Inenelia also mentioned that when she visits other timelines, she must be very careful not to affect change in that timeline. However, what she is attempting to do in this timeline, IS to drastically affect change. Which brings me back to this intervention thing. It appears that intervention is required in our timeline when the law of the universe appears to strictly adhere to a non-interference policy. Is this a unique situation in this timeline? Why now? Suffering has been an integral part of our history as human beings. Or does this have more to do with earth itself. I would assume that non-human part of universal consciousness would be more concerned from that standpoint that the earth is suffering as a result of our lack of vision rather than the fact that human beings appear to be lost. Or maybe it has to do with the sheer numbers of people whose souls are misdirected at this point in time. If something were to happen all at once to billions of clueless souls, the balance would be disrupted? But are we not merely a speck of dust in the immenseness that is infinity?

[Lost Soul]

On 9/22/11, I. Harrison interviewed Inelia. Well worth an hour four minutes your time: Link at YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkErO_FvYIU)

Thank you Inelia!

[sirac]

thanx for reiterating tthe second. an absolute passing in time cannot sometimes be made by me without a sword air statement. just i realized it is so that it can be missintrepreted or bent. so i don't care. i think all of these things u see are correct, but u guys givie it to yourself a reason to doubt...i see them as mere realities which should be altered. but bringing these aberant though right ones back to centre is dangerous, for one does not know wh o is ultimately in charge in temporal logistic. so let them go i think. merely bow out. Inelia's stuff is indeed to precious. it is training for every level.many sublevels defined

:mmph:really need ultimate time to calculate it which would not be now. but ti seems now asif the collective has a grabbing point. karmically perhaps though i cannot insult it by saying..i feel asif this is the pooint to reach the highest, it would just not be seen yet. but extend logic to anydomain within domain, and still some scary logistics come to fore. and even those immediately would abrogate to zero.doingnothingfirsttimeroundireallydontdeservetobeherewithual

[EileenCookies]

Hi all, I havn't been able to get on the computer for long, these past few months and so can't get to all the newest Inelia material. But I was up to date until then.

My question would be to her or anyone else who read her, if she says anything big happening right now (through march of next year). I only ask because Paul Lowe just mentioned on his email list (a very excellent source) that he has just been informed by a good psychic that he will have a choice in February of next year whether or not to continue to exist.

I already was given that information for myself (with a deadline of the spring equinox in 2012...so run to manuever)...that I may not exist in human form after that....(if I got it right...not a good psychic myself...just average).

I also, two nights ago was given a vision of a supernova/emmense solar flare?? type event....though could be a methaphor (it happens). Lots of questing to do.
eileen

[sirac]

Lowe good news?
certainly for any i

this was in my calculation. if more crystals and violets are here for own purpose. but as some are karmically bound with past and future in addition to willful present, and the most of these diamonds, then u would know where the thing*sits (*action points).

we can see anything now as last fights, and obviously people treat information on such a personal void term that it is abberant and disgusting that refrain is best
best calculation. go back to zero(but really otherwise i'd like u all to see the combinatorium Inelia Icke Wilcock{fullfordinfo})

[sirac]

this is what i think.
violets was a mistake in theprevious for indigo children.

so really, we deal with a multiplex of layers here. fullfords info would seem correct.
certainly much on many levels.

but the premise point is whether all as collective bind in or not.
even victory has its own price. assistance to others as us.

here u see spirit levels
elsewhere logistic levels.
lowe is a coward as much as i see myself

[sirac]

this is what else i also see.
any logistic thing (take lowes death date, i'll certainly buy to that)
if improperly balanced becomes dark side agenda

that is why i say leave crystals.
let indigo's act as judge for crystals
i will not have this task for diamonds

[sirac]

here's a relative perspective on fullford stuff on wilcocks site
{obviously below a putative 13 there are many logistic layers of dualitim, so wone would expect war on all tlevels. why i saw the HARP on LA thing as ridicules is because...here the powers,black kabal were obviusly ready to get rid of hollywood, why else. what ckept the world in equilibrium after 911, obviously ther own media organ. u guys were so in fear, but what i saw is that if Am troops start imprisoning there own people it would be the excuse needed to call Am black beast and invade it immediately. but saying this, means balcak kabal would have pawn of info on which to sow more disinfo. if u strectch it to the next big logistic buy in and all has remained the same, the black gets beigger. not knowing the enermy is your enemy. cause u see it in everytingh. unified gov would be useful ultimately. but human s have not bought the original parable of god saying ...all rulers...so dto dangerous for u}

consider a sub possible logistic
who would have had the force of weapons. obviously highest human civilizations. who would have done the information war. we know these guys don't move easy. so it would have been alien factions who want to win now and turn the tide, buying us into a war for them.
just think across all logisticsal (Collier etc.,&DeAgle for movement base of light factions, what said of independence relative of human factions with reps.{hey i saw that the revival chiristian was actually under auspices of reps, and why cause bpeople woulhd have received in receivnng easily from the black. i am a diamond time delay is immanent with me}).no time now. therethese are just my thoughts. my despise is shown in the spelling mistakes. but i'm with u. we need 10billion people proper to start this civi

[sirac]

for those of the esosteric community. i will not dishonour u. one name is enough. start searching.
inddeed i pick from such a small dot. i will not insult your intelligence. u go seek.

for those who would know i write this but would not stop reading or assessing.(wyes within work, i wonder who really read s this thien might be happy if they moved ...yesGoodkarmicsolution in tht)
this i say. ultimate trick card.
:sad:
3 environmental lenses. only some intended. for those who can be true partners it is not


i can''t say specific, it has to many legs attached. legs i realize. my box. let them move. i 'm tired of being moved on directives i should not be


they try any leve l attack. paranoi is what i hear now. indeed massive knowledge in either direction of picking a spot. its simply logic within the information environment.:tongue1:

[sirac]

central parable to embrace
on which ever bridge i step that burns with fire.

lets finish the low
some biotec company i sit in near some godforsaken coast. let them have the absolute civil strife they will sow. anycase of these. weak projects they give me. saying this will teach u to think . but the more i think the more i realize its lowness. i have a skin colour designation here...for an international imagine. its funny that one of the central ones who abridged my name said too.... throw food in a dogs bowl and he won't eat it.
these idiots also imagine they had spanish clients, but i know what the client name base was before and i picked up the switch.
they think this is not inflammation when it is not said. yet hear this said. if wht i say is so near to the truth as what u cannot imagine than it is logical that every intelligence community has dibs on this.* since i cannot be sure if i have a side or if there is a side, or whether it would be merely expedient to end me,,,,,,small satisfaction i ask. for ur pushable lens that u can use for any purpose. yes give me a karmic solution in exchange.
*(including log in times, pages seen when and contextual ignorance)
now we'll see if they can really context read. normally they send me on a directive, pretend they can't read context and pick apart words and phrases that has nothing to do with the imperitive of the message.
when i said deep waters. they said prove yourself in these shallow waters. and they pretend asif their apparent references mean anything to me.
just a small world alliance. i wonder what BRIC thinks about one of their minds wasted....never mind the national branch here.


STOP READING MY BLOGGS> i'll get a life. u get another gossip life meanwhile

[sirac]

k,
now that i have freedom to play from last pursuers, lets really make them laugh. and oh that laughter i will see too.

consider only logistical guides.
lets step thru layers of dualities.

...here's a dual. every day i may step out my door, and cause i don't make friends anymore...i know to expect gangs....cause yes to them i am scary in thought, when i won't give a lighter to their joviality
thats irrelevant, they see smally
when u speak against nations. what u want is even a gun on that... yes, for us that would be aliens....let them now laugh and see that it is plainly logical
under that branch, is another pretense point. illuminati
this ties in with the central story of _.if we merely model that he was aware of hinduist central teachings...him being an essene,
then we know why a complex system he sowed. but the church is fully immoral. as every religion which matyrs men by enslaving their intellect to be monks, while base banal people don't have to have those knowledges but laugh with there accruements(seen in buddism too, was one of my worst moments to encountera weight of having pity but still having to show no pity then). indeed this is where i have seen some false panic. many good people so sowing in there energies to the populace that they are powerless in the face of what they know is coming, through co-sowing in(not completely guiltless here)
amongst illuminati, of which they would not speak, are the black-light factions, then the original branch which would come from that man.
infact a funny thing they have. calling leader youngest son.... but is this youngest son representative of humanity as a youngest son of federation galactic
thisis merely modeling
but they [idiots who seem to know what i post] would call such knowledge....which is why i won't answer...i say i know i bring trouble, don't be anywhere near in karmic dept when it strikes.
which is why a muhhamd can say...he must clean this...a putative so and so.
there system is good for a true intergalactic civilization. imagine meeting five times a day....just between specialists

:mod::sad:karmic dept owed OUT

[sirac]

now i'm being called from blind numbers. i wonder what next. it is all small in the scheme of things. i man is not normal when personal things are being pinged
yes they can context read
i wonder whether they can see that they touched personal things first. if i die....in the next....well local police, u know who to pin it on. some inteligence they do have, i just wonder what intelligence they think they would have enslaved me too.

some violations for violations
will they not understand this.
asif i am afraid of dieing

[araucaria]

Sirac,
are you sure this is the right place to discuss all this stuff? If I were you, I'd start a thread of my own.
Just saying
Peace

[araucaria]

Hi Ascension, thank you for that meaty reply!

Regarding negative karma, I see it as a metaphysical equivalent of money. Often (but not always, I hasten to add) money accrues to people in proportion to negative karma. So in a one-on-one situation, you owe me money and I owe you karma (my negative equals your positive).

If you see negative karma in terms of money, you understand that some entities have become too big to fail, too evil to be left to their own devices; they need a karmic bailout. On a personal level, in the long-term of infinity, they are going to balance their karma books, so anything they do now is either spending their capital or just a temporary overdraft paid off later.

My example of the brothers works slightly differently. I would say the thought is NOT the deed. If I prevent you from killing me by dropping dead, you are not responsible for something you haven’t done. In gaining positive karma for myself, I am reducing your negative karma: it is a win-win situation. This is an extreme instance of Inelia’s non-interference. You can go killing people as you like, but you will not kill me, and I am perfectly free to drop dead if that is the only way to make you understand.

When I say the surviving brother’s affairs do not prosper, I mean his negative doings do not prosper, so, although it doesn’t look good from his standpoint, he begins to behave more honorably. So his negative karma is further reduced, again without interference.

Fortunately the universe is not run by accountants. In a cashless society there is no such thing as being in the red: either you have something or you have nothing, never less than nothing. In a capitalistic society on the other hand, there is no such thing as a win-win situation. Therefore karma is another instance of the wool being pulled over our eyes.

My love breeds your love breeds more of my love: this is the (in)famous positive feedback which the anthropogenic global warming lobby have contrived to turn into a negative! The only thing we have to ‘fear’ is global warming to each other!

[Ascension]

Thank you Araucaria for that clarification. I misunderstood you to mean the brother was worse off. Well, technically, in his eyes, if he is more honorable, he IS worse off. But I understand the difference now.

Lol about global warming to each other. I may quote you on that sometime!

[sirac]

:smow: realization of mechanism i can't have anymore.
see i took evil to protect from the lens of evil
and now i must take:smow: to protect from the lens of . some seperations must be made. tha t is perhasp ofvermechansim.
...and can't hear second subfractium.

a classic artist also developed a definite 3 flavoru
that is my justification for beginning or being. i was here mberfore in infinite mechanisms
they misintreprete heavy and light (N would have said this too)
:laser::brushteeth::rofl:
a


>>(disclaimer for those who see evil wrongly. it is the story ending as by the positive energy in balance.icanendhere nowoverstoryendshereonthisnot)

[sirac]

apologatim. moved from one world lens to nother world lens and carried in to much

:violin:

[Tui Allen]

Just watched the Inelia video and must say I was delighted to see all the squirrels jumping around behind her in the final minutes when she was outside in the park. We don't have squirrels here so it was fun to see that.
At the end when she advises us that the time may be near when we should look out for chances to step up to become a catalyst ourselves, it really struck a chord. About two or three years ago, I was troubled with asthma which I suspected of being psychosomatic so I went to a local healer who was open to non-drugs treatments.
Months afterwards I could hardly remember it was asthma I went to her for. She fixed the asthma - that was certain but she fixed so much more than that along the way. In fact she sorted out issues I'd had since childhood that must have been affecting my life without my knowledge.
From then on I began to discover that there were areas that I could step up and become a catalyst for others myself. That healer was the catalyst for me. Yet she just seemed like the ordinary lady down the road at the time. Immediately afterwards, I began on a huge task I should have begun years before, and one which has the power to raise vibrations on the planet. It felt like my life's work had finally been begun and it was a very late start since I am no chicken. But my point is, it's like a chain. The healer helped me, enabling me to step up and do my bit for others, who can then pass the energy on still further. Seeing the Inelia video helped to crystallize this in my mind.
I hope that many see Inelia and are enabled to increase the good vibrations of the planet. I believe in my case this will result in the planet becoming a better home for all its inhabitants beyond just mankind. Perhaps that is why those squirrels jumping around behind Inelia seemed such a benign harbinger of the future world.

[Newlyn]

Just watched the Inelia video and must say I was delighted to see all the squirrels jumping around behind her in the final minutes when she was outside in the park. We don't have squirrels here so it was fun to see that.
At the end when she advises us that the time may be near when we should look out for chances to step up to become a catalyst ourselves, it really struck a chord. About two or three years ago, I was troubled with asthma which I suspected of being psychosomatic so I went to a local healer who was open to non-drugs treatments.
Months afterwards I could hardly remember it was asthma I went to her for. She fixed the asthma - that was certain but she fixed so much more than that along the way. In fact she sorted out issues I'd had since childhood that must have been affecting my life without my knowledge.
From then on I began to discover that there were areas that I could step up and become a catalyst for others myself. That healer was the catalyst for me. Yet she just seemed like the ordinary lady down the road at the time. Immediately afterwards, I began on a huge task I should have begun years before, and one which has the power to raise vibrations on the planet. It felt like my life's work had finally been begun and it was a very late start since I am no chicken. But my point is, it's like a chain. The healer helped me, enabling me to step up and do my bit for others, who can then pass the energy on still further. Seeing the Inelia video helped to crystallize this in my mind.
I hope that many see Inelia and are enabled to increase the good vibrations of the planet. I believe in my case this will result in the planet becoming a better home for all its inhabitants beyond just mankind. Perhaps that is why those squirrels jumping around behind Inelia seemed such a benign harbinger of the future world.

I´m in the same state. Wounderful to read this, it feels almost like my own words! :)

The best to you on your journey!

[shamanseeker]

Hi Eileen, I've just read a link from Inelia's facebook page to David Wilcock's. http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/975-undergroundbases
If the info he is getting from people is correct, the situation for the future looks very bright indeed! They say the underground bases that the illuminati had prepared for their protection have been destroyed - either by ETs or the Pentagon - the top leaders of the Nazi-esque cabal that has been running/ruining the world for the last half century are on their way out. Kissinger, Bush snr and jnr, Rumsfeld, Blair, etc will be arrested - they have nowhere to hide now. A lot of the people who were working for them are changing sides apparently. They will probably make a run to S. America but they will be arrested there or the pilots who are constantly on standby to transport them will probably refuse to take them. There was, they say, a meeting on a ship just off the coast of Monaco with representatives of 57 of the 80 countries who do not support the G5 (US, Britain, France, Germany and Italy) and they are cutting off the 5 financially so they are unable to do much any more. I do hope this is true! I believe it is because I trust Inelia. The beginning of the Golden Age???

[TOTHE]

From my friend Benjamin Fulford for you reading enjoyment. ;-) This is from his weekly newsletter that I have subscribed to. This newsletter/post was released 10/3/11.

The process of removing the cabal that has controlled most of the world for the past 300 years is almost complete, according to sources directly involved in the takedown. The takedown is being done by the world’s military, police and intelligence agencies. The group being taken down is the Thule Society, Skull&Bones Nazi conglomerate headed by George Bush Senior. This group was trying to start world war 3 in order to reduce the world’s population by 85% and start a fascist world government. Instead, they will be bankrupted and put in jail. Evidence of the takedown is now becoming visible for all to see. For example the IMF, supposedly the world’s lender of last resort, is saying they have no money to help the Euro. This is publicly available evidence that the post war power structure is ending. The best way to understand what is happening is to take a look at this map:

http://benjaminfulford.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Cumulative_Current_Account_Balance4-300x136.png

Source: Wikipedia

This is a map of the real global economic situation. It shows the cumulative current account surpluses and deficits of the world’s countries. The countries that appear green on the map are the countries that have lent money to the countries that appear red. This is money based on actual physical trade so it is backed by reality unlike the trillions and quadrillions sitting on bank books that were created through fraud.

What has happened is that the green countries that have real money stopped lending to countries still controlled by the fascists (the G6: Germany, the United States, England, France,Italy and their small group of slave states) starting in the fall of 2008. That is the real reason for the so-called Lehman shock.

Looking back, the titanic struggle for control of the global financial system and hence global power, has been dramatic.

The fascists countered the initial green attack by using fiat money to ramp up global oil prices. They also tried to create a starvation crisis by paying Western farmers with fiat money to grow “eco-fuel,” instead of food. These efforts failed because the fascists no longer had a lock grip on the world’s oil and food supplies.

The fascists also tried to renege on their debts by issuing a new currency they wanted to call the Amero. This was rejected because the green countries rightfully said they did not want their hard-earned dollars to be devalued. Instead the green countries acted to preserve the value of their hard earned dollars by refusing to accept all dollars created inside the US after 2008. Evidence for this can be found in trade numbers showing such things as a year on year 77% drop in US imports of Japanese cars or in the 90% drop in the Baltic Dry Index (the price of shipping).

This explains why the US dollar has not collapsed despite the announced printing of countless trillions by the US branch of the Federal Reserve Board. These dollars are simply not entering the international financial system although they are goosing the Dow Jones Index.

The fascists won a year’ respite when they promised “change” under Obama. That ended in 2009 after Obama showed through his actions that he was part of the fascist continuum.

Since then the fascists have been acting like unemployed junkies, selling off anything they can and writing false checks to pay their dealer. For example, they melted down and sold giant silver machines used for the Manhattan project. They have also resorted to outright theft.

If you look at the green countries on the map you can see their targets. They attacked Japan with a nuclear tsunami weapon and an engineered nuclear crisis in order to try to extort (unfortunately with some success) money from Japan.

They also overthrew a few dictators like Mubarak in Egypt to steal their money (they got Mubarak’s $70 billion slush fund). Then they invaded Libya to steal that country’s oil and over $100 billion in assets. They also killed the members of the youth division of Norway’s ruling party in order to try to extort that countries $1.5 trillion rainy day fund.

Since they are bullies who are too scared to attack countries that can defend themselves (Russia and China), the next targets of these extortionist thugs would appear to be weaker green countries like Saudi Arabi, Algeria and Venezuela.

These moves have bought the fascists some time. However, that time is quickly running out. Recent illegal maneuvers to push down precious metals prices will not help.

The fascists also tried to carry out a coup against the US patriots in the Pentagon and the agencies by setting off nuclear bombs in New York and Washington. Instead these bombs were taken by patriotic forces and used to blow up the warehouse facilities of the underground bases the fascists were hoping to hide in after they started World War 3.

The bombs were set off in in a manner designed to prevent human casualties. Reports of 30,000 dead are false.

Sources in the KGB, the Pentagon and MI6 all confirm that the nuclear warhead used to trigger the tsunami in Japan and the two blown up underground in the US were part of four warheads that were stolen from the Russian submarine Kursk. That means one more rogue nuclear weapon is still in their hands and probably located in Europe.

It is hard to know when the final take down of the cabal will proceed but the situation is now down to a few technical legal details. This is because the authorities that are taking down the cabal want to do everything legally and constitutionally.

However, the take-down has already begun. In addition to thousands of bankers who have already been arrested, some big fish are being targeted. Public legal proceedings have already begun, for example, against Tony Blair, Nikolas Sarkozy and IMF head Christine Lagarde. Putin, for his part, recently fired his long term finance minister Alexei Kudrin because he had been compromised by the fascists. The Chairman of UBS was also removed because of his cabal connections.

The fascists have also been trying to negotiate their way out of this situation. George Bush Senior has contacted a senior US White Dragon Society member and offered “all the money in the world,” in exchange for “being left alone.” Unfortunately for the Nazis, many of them have tried to cling to power too long and are no longer in a position to negotiate immunity for themselves. White Dragon sources in the US agencies say top cabalists like the last four US presidents will go to jail.

Benjamin Fulford

[EileenCookies]

Hi shamanseeker, I am not sure what you were relating to, but you mentioned me, so I am replying. I took a look at Inelia and she is a top psychic, that is clear. Whether I understand where she is coming from regarding her being taken out of our time (that is how I read her on her ascension101) while we were being moved into a different reality (like she isn't part of ours) is not clear.

Perhaps you have to move beyond the realm of what we refer to reality to dip inside her mind energies in order to see her clearer. I decided it wasn't urgent to figure her out. What happens happens. Knowing about it ahead of time doesn't change the outcome, only what reality I emerge into. And it keeps a changing. Nothing is fixed. That I am clear on.

lv
eileen

[christian]

Inelia is moving back to the US.

That's what she shared on FB:


On my way back to the USA. Some of you might know that I spent the last week in Ecuador. I am now returning to the USA, where I feel my place is to help stabilize the collective energy for the next 2 years and in particular from now until November 2011. I will be writing about this soon, which will be translated into different languages, in my site.

2011 must be a misspelling apparently.

[amadeus]

hi inelia, very pleased to meet you

ascension

a moment for the individual
a process for the collective

is that correct ?

[Selene]

FYI, Inelia has just posted this article on her site, ascension101.com, explaining her return to the U.S. and other related matters.

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-information/49-october-2011/158-the-united-states-of-america-call-to-action.html

Cheers,

Selene

[Kristin]

Hello Avalon,
It has been a long time since I've posted, though I have been "checking in" on occasion. In this time we have all been on one interesting journey to say the least. I've just watched the interview with Inelia and Bill. Wonderful, Brilliant. True. The most important information (for me) that I wish to tag is the individual choice of timeline. Yes, it finally all clicked in for me and made sense in words. Perfect in that way perfection washes over oneself without harm, without question, pure love truth and honesty. It was very timely (LOL) for me to feel this video at this time.

The many choices that I have laid out in front of me at this time are large... yet the path of joy and least resistance is at balance with my purpose here. What is unfolding is the reconnection with myself with the planet as a whole being and I being a limb of it. This is being manifested through my personal relationships, where I live now, and the land that is calling me to touch and reconnect. I have a choice before me as to continue to work with a person who is doing great works or not, yet somehow that destiny was not feeling right. Only certain parts were right. I realize now that I can choose to support the right portions, the ones that do not resist the path of flow and the path of gentleness and the path of love. I felt that my true talents were being ignored and not manifesting the light that I intended... now I see that I need to create that space and all will follow.

Let me be clear that this is not a lazy path or one that will not create work for me, indeed not, but it is with joy and full acceptance of my own self created destiny that I am able to live with it and embrace it for work is not work when it is joy. I want to follow what I am supposed to be doing... Not what another feels I should be doing to support their own path. All these things are the same are they not? Though the destination is the same, there are many ways to get there.

I pray that we are all following the flow of our purpose and at times questioning the things that do not resonate or flow. I had to laugh as Inelia used an artist as a metaphor. I am a visual artist. I smiled as she easily brought forth what I had been struggling with. What brings me joy? Painting. What connects me to source? Again, painting. Where do I touch the divine and give without trying to control the message? Yet I am also a Production Designer, Production Manager, Radio Announcer, Director, Musician. Yet all those things I became to support the purchase of canvas. Now I find myself being pulled in many directions. I felt guilty for I agreed with the spiritual purpose of the projects that I was involved in, yet felt drained and empty as though that cup was not for me to drink from. While all this time I would stare at my art studio and say, "I'll be getting back to you! Soon!"

My health took a turn for the negative, and I found that my abilities to heal others and connect with certain "divine agreements" had become difficult and clouded. It had been only in the last few weeks that I had made the decision to follow my heart, buy a piece of property, start doing art shows again, and take care of myself and take time off to meditate. The video and questions presented in the interview were wonderful, heartening, and not at all an accident. Thank you.

I hope in some small way my sharing my story will help others.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[CdnSirian]

Hi Wormhole. "The most important information (for me) that I wish to tag is the individual choice of timeline." Appreciate your whole post and sharing your situation. Being Wormhole, you are the path, and you can zip to your chosen time line any moment you perceive you're not quite on it exactly. Power to you!

[Kristin]

"Being Wormhole, you are the path, and you can zip to your chosen time line any moment you perceive you're not quite on it exactly."

Yes indeed, I used to zip around quite a bit, like a child riding a bike. Yet now it seems full of potential... intention, clarity. I see what you mean; the fine tuning of the journey. Getting used to the non-division during the journey. Using it as a tool to refine and uplift the given potential, without judgement on oneself or others. I'm going to work on the perception part, true intuition. I know what it feels like now so I will respect and recognize that feeling when it comes. Practice. Thank you for your kind words my fellow Canadian.

[Carmen]

Nice to see you here again Wormhole, it's been a while.

[Kristin]

My dear Carmen, if only you could see the smile upon my face!

[Floyd]

Thanks for that info Wormhole!

[Yoda]

Inelia has released a video of a speaking engagement.
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com


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[Kristin]

I found this article interesting. I believe it has some application with the ideas in this thread. Would love to hear some feed back. I'm looking at this in terms of scientific data that upholds the idea of wormholes as a traveling mechanism between timelines...


http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/dna-can-be-influenced-and-reprogrammed-by-words-and-frequencies/
Enjoy,
Wormhole

[TOTHE]

I have not been posting much for awhile because I am soaking up a lot of information to get up to speed. The Lightworkers have a head start on me, I am just a dull multiple reincarnate trying to remember what I am. What is happening to me so far is that I am beginning to live my divinity with awareness. This includes dragging around my column of light all day by visualization and also the hard to get October suntan.

Some 1974-1990 DNA specific channeled information from 300 billion year old nine of twelve non -physical (light-energy) civilizations of whom were the first original fragments of the source consciousness. This information is from the transceiver, Phyllis V. Schlemmer's The Only Planet of Choice some of the material was received when she was in a faraday cage.
Chapter 20.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/opc20.htm
The book.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/planetchoise/contents.htm

DNA relevant channeled information from a physical and younger but highly evolved civilization within our own galaxy.
Barbara Marciniak's Bringers of the Dawn..Chapters 5,6 &7 are good for now, however the whole book is about DNA upgrade.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/esp_pleyades_14.htm

David Wilcock's research.
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/articles/362-groundbreaking-russian-dna-discoveries
All of Wilcock's E-Books
http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online

Inelia's blog of October 2010
http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-information/32-october-2010/101-ascension-and-dna-can-we-accelerate-the-process.html

Healing The Gerson Way by Charlotte Gerson: The proper diet to work on the DNA upgrade. The blood purifying enzyme produced by the liver is glutathione S-transferase as mentioned in the video in the post below.
WhiteFeather's post.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31513-The-Beautiful-Truth&p=321342#post321342

Inelia's blog of April 2010
http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-information/23-april-2010/75-to-eat-meat-or-not-to-eat-meat-that-is-the-question.html




Hi all, I havn't been able to get on the computer for long, these past few months and so can't get to all the newest Inelia material. But I was up to date until then.

My question would be to her or anyone else who read her, if she says anything big happening right now (through march of next year). I only ask because Paul Lowe just mentioned on his email list (a very excellent source) that he has just been informed by a good psychic that he will have a choice in February of next year whether or not to continue to exist.

I already was given that information for myself (with a deadline of the spring equinox in 2012...so run to manuever)...that I may not exist in human form after that....(if I got it right...not a good psychic myself...just average).

I also, two nights ago was given a vision of a supernova/emmense solar flare?? type event....though could be a methaphor (it happens). Lots of questing to do.
eileen

Eileen:
If you are given a choice, reflect on the fact that your job here may be incomplete. The dark entities may want you neutralized or spread fear into you..you are more powerful than you know. It is a war out there to subvert the Lightworkers in my opinion, war is dirty by nature and anything goes in a free will universe. Suggestion: visualize that you are living your divinity and you will be safe with the Creator.

To all who read this: I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[Kristin]

Really great of you to post some of these well known and cherished archives. Thank you Tothe.

I think that the fact that you are reading these messages is telling in itself, I agree that you are more powerful then you know. I smiled to see, Eileen, that you say you are not physic and yet then talk about a vision you had. BIG SMILE on that one. See the presence of the divine in you and recognize that it is working with you at every moment, asleep or awake. Beautiful...

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[transiten]

"Gracias a la Vida! This Land is Your Land, Bring back your Greenbacks" :music:

[Davidallany]

2011 must be a misspelling apparently.
I did wonder.
Apparently, Inelia is not interested in posting on Avalon anymore, or at least not like before. If she could post on her Facebook page and website, she could also post here, but no.

Maybe she is posting in the invisible section of Avalon, that only a small group of 18 or so can read.
It's a shame because sharing good energy is desirable.

[TOTHE]

Davidallany;
About 4 months ago Inelia may have contacted me via the collective. I had dream about her for no reason I could figure at the time. It was so sudden, unique, unexpected, off the cuff or the wall that I did not confirm it with her by e-mail or with a post on this thread.
It is my opinion only:As drawn from her posts on http://ascension101.com/ that she is very involved with deep meditation with all the other "watchers" & "sentinels" around the world to raise the collective vibration. The fight between dark and light may be getting intense as the dark loses it's food source as the vibration moves up. As this may be the "mopping up phase" the dark may be trying to burn some bridges behind them or there may be massive "clemency" work that only Source is qualified to do. I imagine that all the Source Reincarnates around the world are pretty busy now.
David, I am satisfied with the way the things are going on with this thread. I look for my energy and answers from within by DNA activation to remember who I am and gather information & experience from outside myself. I have the ascension 101 course on my computer (C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Administrator\Desktop\Ascension 101 Course.zip) but my intuition has not sent the urge signal to look at it yet! If I have to seek my energy from someone outside myself, I will be falling into the trap the human race has been for thousands of years: worshiping someone as a god or worst yet using them as a food source. Again, all this is an opinion..I am no judge of others, I only judge myself.

I am looking outside my window: there is SNOW falling. 'Sigh', I have to send the light body into space when the sun don't shine down here to get to the filaments. This is fun stuff, too.

We need more humor on this thread, IMO.

Do you feel like we are in a time acceleration?
Time flies like a arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana.
We are quite possibly flies on a fast moving banana. :-)

To all who read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[vibrations]

Davidalany;
About 4 months ago Inelia may have contacted me via the collective. I had dream about her for no reason I could figure at the time. It was so sudden, unique, unexpected, off the cuff or the wall that I did not confirm it with her by e-mail or with a post on this thread.
It is my opinion only:As drawn from her posts on http://ascension101.com/ that she is very involved with deep meditation with all the other "watchers" & "sentinels" around the world to raise the collective vibration. The fight between dark and light may be getting intense as the dark loses it's food source as the vibration moves up. As this may be the "mopping up phase" the dark may be trying to burn some bridges behind them or there may be massive "clemency" work that only Source is qualified to do. I imagine that all the Source Reincarnates around the world are pretty busy now.
David, I am satisfied with the way the things are going on with this thread. I look for my energy and answers from within by DNA activation to remember who I am and gather information & experience from outside myself. I have the ascension 101 course on my computer (C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Administrator\Desktop\Ascension 101 Course.zip) but my intuition has not sent the urge signal to look at it yet! If I have to seek my energy from someone outside myself, I will be falling into the trap the human race has been for thousands of years: worshiping someone as a god. Again, all this is an opinion..I am no judge of others, I only judge myself.

I am looking outside my window: there is SNOW falling. 'Sigh', I have to send the light body into space when the sun don't shine down here to get to the filaments. This is fun stuff, too.

We need more humor on this thread, IMO.

Do you feel like we are in a time acceleration?
Time flies like a arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana.
We are quite possibly flies on a fast moving banana. :-)

To all who read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.


Good words, and I see the fly with a big old fashion motorcycle goggles.

[TOTHE]

No chemtrails today, are we free?
No clouds in the sky but only a blazing sun, yesterdays 4 inches of October snow starting to melt..really bending the tree branches with leaves sill on them..no disaster like October 4, 1987 that began a whole week without power.

Sudden intuitive urge today to go to "Occupy Albany" at Lafayette Park, arriving at noon. Grounded myself and walked around in my divinity and light pillar with intent. Donated 2 cans of beef stew to the food tent. Asked around a dozen people for the for the resident "Lightworker", Lightkeeper or Psychic and drew blank looks. Patient observation after that, then intuition led me to approach one...bingo. Shared energy, brief 5 minute conversation, agreed on a lot of things about consciousness and vibration, both of us not even mentioned the issues of the sign carriers..current issues were like any other objects that we take for granted in our reality. Our added vibrations took precedence for that brief moment.
Someone donated a port-a-potty yesterday in the park. I think the Mayor knows that there are registered voters camping out here. ;-)
If intuition calls next Sunday, I will drop by again with more cans of beef stew.

Watch us all you Worldwide Avalonians, the US is starting to stir. We have probably the most largest controlled society ever on this Earth and this prison without walls is finally waking up. Thank you for your paitence with us.

The shift has happened, IMO. August 23, if you want to put a finger on it, when I felt the vibration...the day the Monument cracked and the gargoyles fell off from The National Cathedral (the only damage to it by the way). Next thing we have to wait for is the nanosecond blast of information from "out there". We had a small one in April of this year I think. It was a one second, field of vision, white snowflake sort of thing during my daily meditation session..I thought at first I was having a brain aneurism...I am at that age you know. :-)

To all who read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[TOTHE]

E-Mail from Inelia today, you all may have missed it today like I did (looked at my mail at 5:00 PM today). The meditation event is archived in English and Spanish in the two links below.


Dear Richard,

Some gems for you:

Video and Meditation from the Grass Valley Meet and Greet of the 23rd October 2011:

http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-videos.html

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And a FREE collective concurrent meditation hosted in English and Spanish:

http://ascension101.com/images/stories/ineliabenzloretoalonsoalegre.jpg

Together into Oneness
EVENT: Cleaning the collective, hosted by Inelia Benz and Loreto Alonso-Alegre.
What would the planet be like, if fear did not exist?

Para unirte en español: http://my.webconf.me/join/994227/rqsv3500WS , dirigido por Loreto.
To join English meditation : http://InstantTeleseminar.com/?eventid=23883456, hosted by Inelia


DATE & TIME: Tuesday/Martes, November/Noviembre 1st at 1:00pm Pacific, 21 hours Central Europe.

Thank you for your continuing support and work for the planet :)

hugs

Inelia



To all who read this: I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[Davidallany]

Why wasn't Inelia invited to the Awake and Aware function, she should have been.

[Xenos]

I have a very strong feeling with Inelia Benz since i first saw her face and eyes... and not a positive one... sorry for the +5 000 fan on Facebook... and the other here...

I have to say because it is hard for me to don't say a word... does she is a walk in ?

If she is and it seem to be from an internet web site that I found http://lightworkers.org/node/141957

So she is a walk in ? Because if it is everybody should be careful... because a walk in is a possession right ? A spirit that put of Inelia's soul and speak through his mouth... right ?

[Kristin]

I suppose that we could say that we are all possessed as our souls are in possession of our earthly bodies. Caution is good advice when seeking wisdom. Inelia resonates for me; she may not for others. We are truly fortunate to have so many choices to ponder in this creation. This is neither good nor bad. It just is. Find the choices that resonate, those that feel true and flow without judgement.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Xenos]

I suppose that we could say that we are all possessed as our souls are in possession of our earthly bodies. Caution is good advice when seeking wisdom. Inelia resonates for me; she may not for others. We are truly fortunate to have so many choices to ponder in this creation. This is neither good nor bad. It just is. Find the choices that resonate, those that feel true and flow without judgement.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

I expected an answer, and you wrote Wormhole, thank you :) Your name and your answer are a very interesting symbol... very :)

So,... for me their is a bbbbbiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggg difference between a human soul and a being incorporate. So huge ! Even incomparable... Like day and night... how can explain the difference between the Sun and the Moon ? Hard isn't it.

So, without answering... you answer :) Thank you :) So, she is a walk-in... a possessed human... ok.

A major point in my mind is that she is a walk-in since... always... and people told me that only depressed people (or very low person) has the proposal to go away (with great "spiritual" gift.. ok) and a being fit inside. So, it is maybe little early for a baby to be depressed and to have the proposal... don't you think ?

So, my point is, does Inelia could be a project ? Genetically build and intentionally used for... ? She says something very special in the video, on the main page of Avalon, when she is speaking about her childhood... she didn't use her eyes to see, they are a sort of mask... as we all know, it is normal for a human. Everything is normal, circulate ! Well... nop for me, that's why i'm asking question. Also, she seem to speak many language... and you don't have to ignore that it is a manifestation of a dark spirit. In exorcism, it is a clue. Ask to a priest.

Something interested me on an other video with Bill Ryan (the one in the garden where she is dressed in white), she has a mask of fear, like if she was scared of Mr Ryan, or scared about his question... weird for a "spiritual" person and human, when we know or have strong feelings about how Mr Ryan care about his race, truly... but the mask of fear is coherent if it is a masquerade. Watch again the video with this perception.

I personally just asking question, and i'm concerned about MY people... after... but if it not a problem for you to consider that a little girl is born, her soul fired and replaced... and if you doesn't have problem with that, with a lie from the very beginning... i cannot much for you.

My last question is : Who is REALLY Inelia Benz ? I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

[TOTHE]

Buddha at the gaspump interview with Inelia on November 2.

Posted on Inelia's website.
http://ascension101.com/en/ascension-videos.html

and on Buddha' s website.
http://batgap.com/

To all who read this, I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[Kristin]

I do not have a negative take on Inelia; then again I do not feel particularly negative on anyone. I do believe in spiritual autonomy and hold to the freedom of choices here as being a direct link to the creator. Though we feel separated all in existence are one with the creator and in this I feel that creation itself experiences all things through us and through all that is. Whether one has been incarnate here many times or few is not an issue for me. It is no small miracle that we are even here to experience at all.

When you are in tune with the unknown, the known is peaceful. I used to scramble for facts, philosophies and terminology to explain the unknown and this time in my life served me well. It was a time filled with questions and a thirst for knowledge. Very exciting indeed. However, now these questions are quieter and the asking is more gentle and accepting. I am living and present. This is enough.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[daci]

My last question is : Who is REALLY Inelia Benz ? I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

You are not alone!
More I am listening her... more she is repeating herself and the "stuff" I was reading and listening years, years ago...
Maybe she was listening too... :)


After Bill's interview... she got so much "EGOs" too...
I have for NOW ON "enough" Inelia... :rolleyes:



Namasté

[transiten]

Well perhaps the only way to really find out is to meet her, and other pple you meet on the internet IN PERSON?

[Kristin]

"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and right doing, there is a field. I will meet you there." - Rumi

Daci, that is a beautiful quote!

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[daci]

Thank you Wormhole!
Namasté

[Xenos]

I do not have a negative take on Inelia; then again I do not feel particularly negative on anyone. I do believe in spiritual autonomy and hold to the freedom of choices here as being a direct link to the creator. Though we feel separated all in existence are one with the creator and in this I feel that creation itself experiences all things through us and through all that is. Whether one has been incarnate here many times or few is not an issue for me. It is no small miracle that we are even here to experience at all.

Wormhole i understand your meaning... but we live in a dynamic world with hundreds of millions of races and we are in the middle and... every single things fit perfectly all together. The tableau is simply out of words.

This mean that we, the Man race, has a meaning and a very strong one, very deep and pure. Humanity has a true destiny, and it is not a story or a joke. It is real. Our destiny fit in the Universe... and in the whole Creation. It is in a way a nationalist partition, because we have all to cultivate our unique qualities... all the qualities of the whole race put all together = The Source. And we are the Future.

Yes for spiritual autonomy, but no for freedom of choice. Why ? Because you, we have a meaning. We have a destiny. "God" has a plan for you in other words if you prefer... and all the walk in interfere with your own destiny, the destiny of our race... they are projecting their false beliefs to lose you... because we are the Race with NO king, and because our destiny is to be the spiritual leader of the Universe. Amazing... but true. So, you'll maybe understand the spiritual fight that we are observing since century... even millennium and millions of year if we want a deep and real vision of what we are... where we come from... where the Man race come... from a very deep time forgotten by many of us. Forgotten because so bright that your proud would be insane... but your proud would be right, right for all the pain that we have all lived in our daily life... and for millions of year. We lived genocide... genetic modification... many horrible, nasty and dirty things... and we are still here ! We are still alive and proud of what we are, and of what we will be. We are the Future and do we deserve it ? I deserve it... i fought for that trying to survive as i could all alone... and my greatest wish is to see all of us happy, realized in their intimate and secret dream. That every single of us try to bring light and love even in the dark place, understanding everybody, their fear, their hope... because we are all the same... down their and up their.

So... no you are not free to mess up our project and i will not allow to anybody from any world to destroy my race... to anyone... from the higher rank of any state to individual people. Your not free to listen lies and to stay in silence, waiting... with a lot of wonderful things broken in you... and do you know how beautiful we are all ? Your not free to kill yourself !

If you are really in touch with our beauty, so you would reject all the walk in, because they cannot understand what we are. "They are them and we are us" as my E.T and dimensional friends told me... my brothers, my family should be right... we don't have to speak sirian, we should start to well speak our own language... we don't have to dress or to be like other, be ourselves is a great wealth for all of us and already a big job !


When you are in tune with the unknown, the known is peaceful. I used to scramble for facts, philosophies and terminology to explain the unknown and this time in my life served me well. It was a time filled with questions and a thirst for knowledge. Very exciting indeed. However, now these questions are quieter and the asking is more gentle and accepting. I am living and present. This is enough.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Why are they quieter ? Because maybe too much false data broke your spirit, your hope and your dream. You are still spiritual because it is deep in you, but on a survivor mode... with the truth you will bright as a living sun... and this is our destiny ! For ALL of us !



My last question is : Who is REALLY Inelia Benz ? I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

You are not alone!
More I am listening her... more she is repeating herself and the "stuff" I was reading and listening years, years ago...
Maybe she was listening too... :)

After Bill's interview... she got so much "EGOs" too...
I have for NOW ON "enough" Inelia... :rolleyes:

Namasté

I'm happy :)

I'm truly agree with you my friends and i'm happy that you are seeing.


Well perhaps the only way to really find out is to meet her, and other pple you meet on the internet IN PERSON?

She doesn't even speak about her project... people do it for her... so to meet her... has she said, people that doesn't catch are not interesting for her and i don't catch her ! So... useless.

[NeverMind]

I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

Vous plaisantez? :)

Of course you're not the only one.
But, most of all, I think, it is good to address the many underlying questions that her views raise.
Nothing but good can come from passionate and open airing and confronting of views.

I, for one, appreciate the information - not pedestrian "facts", biographical or otherwise, but rather the different insights - that this thread is providing.

[TOTHE]

I do not have a negative take on Inelia; then again I do not feel particularly negative on anyone. I do believe in spiritual autonomy and hold to the freedom of choices here as being a direct link to the creator. Though we feel separated all in existence are one with the creator and in this I feel that creation itself experiences all things through us and through all that is. Whether one has been incarnate here many times or few is not an issue for me. It is no small miracle that we are even here to experience at all.

When you are in tune with the unknown, the known is peaceful. I used to scramble for facts, philosophies and terminology to explain the unknown and this time in my life served me well. It was a time filled with questions and a thirst for knowledge. Very exciting indeed. However, now these questions are quieter and the asking is more gentle and accepting. I am living and present. This is enough.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole, I agree, let me lend my 2 cents and energy to the discussion. Regard my input as message board opinion only that carries little weight for I am always in a personal struggle as a co-creator. My balance object is the tetrahedron and it is big problem keeping the sides from getting too distorted.

We all started somewhere eons ago as a fragment from the Multidimensional Source Consciousness vibrating everywhere at the subatomic level throughout the Universe. We have made many choices good and bad, into the Dark and back into the Light for the many life experiences...we all should have some impressive bios in the Akashic's by now accumulated over the eons.
This enslavement by ignorance with suppression of knowledge was a big no-no by a certain group currently for about the last 11,000 years. The Patriarchy assumed dominance over the Devine Feminine almost reducing it to a whisper within the collective. Our escapement mechanism out of this is the information contained within the quantum vibrations of the multidimensional light infusion of filaments and cosmic radiation. Our DNA helix is a natural organic light transducer that allows stored data in the strand to become coherent. Much like in a computer where you upgrade your ROM, RAM, CMOS and cache memory (this is visualization abstract from a computer engineer...yours may be different).
To ensure our survival as a species we had to move the collective vibration higher or the physical bodies would begin to die out within a few generations as the genome begins to deteriorate with damage induced by the current social structure based on materialism that is subtracting from the vitality and resources of the planet...our nest is getting soiled in other words.

I like this quote from Chapter 21. My intuition finds minimal distortion in this truth.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/pleyades/esp_pleyades_14.htm

Love is what you experience when you go beyond light. You need light, which is information, to access this love. Without the informational frequency, the love frequency is misunderstood. When the love frequency comes first, without the light frequency, you think that love is outside of yourself rather than understanding that it is you. Then you do what people on the planet have done for eons: you worship and deify everything and think that love is out there rather than is Here.

You see, I started seeking the light in traumatic year of 1964. I had to find myself and seek all the information I could...my heart was in a knot after a traumatic event of November 22, 1963 that shook the collective more than 911..in my opinion. From that distant day on I stopped seeking Love from outside myself. I looked within and found the light...it was then I connected to the Source and the Love vibration. I found my divinity and now live it. I think I did a good job, for today you are all included in my reality that I had a part in manifesting. :-)


One useful "sitting in the sun" meditation tool for the non adept will be the Spottiswoode Peak I posted on another thread last week. For November it will be around 10:32 AM LST everywhere.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33710-HALLOWEEN-s-CONNECTION-TO-PLEIADES&p=344689#post344689

To all who read this: I send you light, love, tenacity and courage.

[Xenos]

I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

Vous plaisantez? :)

Of course you're not the only one.
But, most of all, I think, it is good to address the many underlying questions that her views raise.
Nothing but good can come from passionate and open airing and confronting of views.

I, for one, appreciate the information - not pedestrian "facts", biographical or otherwise, but rather the different insights - that this thread is providing.

Ouf, rassurez-moi ;)

You right, i wrote without thinking too much... because i'm just bored of those walk-in... we have it here in France too and they are saying crap... i destroyed a famous one here in France, and i will continue everywhere i go :) The interesting point, is the follower... totally blind people, acting almost like robot. The walk-in doesn't do anything, the followers do for him/her.

You are right and i will analyse her video, maybe you have lead to share ?

One point that i could say on an inverted way of seeing things is that she's not interested by other people that doesn't catch her meaning, not even interested... which is totally incoherent with what she say and pretend to be... also the price of her teaching... quite expensive... truth isn't free ? Or based on donation ?

I'll take time and i'll come with more... much more :)

[NeverMind]

You are right and i will analyse her video, maybe you have lead to share ?

Oh, sorry, I haven't even seen any videos - full length - of hers, only snippets of conversation.
But it's other people's reflections on the topics she addresses, and on her own views, that I find very illuminating and interesting. Those reflections are, literally, reflections, like those in a mirror. :)

Regarding attaching monetary value to any teachings, I do not have particularly strong feelings about that (maybe that's because I don't buy them :-)), but I do think that profoundly affecting , hence effective, teachings should be absolutely free of charge, for the simple reason that only those who are ready to accept them or discover their truth in themselves, are going to understand them, in the first place.
People who are not "ready" for them won't even understand them - they won't even see them.
But I could be wrong.

I also happen to think that everything that needs to be known, in terms of the "mechanics" of one's ascension to the fullness of our Being, was written many years ago and is available for all to see, for free, in a little tome - widely known but seldom read :-) - called the New Testament.

[motherlove]

If you process your fear no matter what book or belief you choose to hold you are doing the best you can with what you know. That is all anyone is asking or suggesting. No fear and see what happens. Best Wishes.

[Phil_7050]

I'm very interested, i'm maybe the only one on the forum.

Vous plaisantez? :)

Of course you're not the only one.
But, most of all, I think, it is good to address the many underlying questions that her views raise.
Nothing but good can come from passionate and open airing and confronting of views.

I, for one, appreciate the information - not pedestrian "facts", biographical or otherwise, but rather the different insights - that this thread is providing.

Ouf, rassurez-moi ;)

You right, i wrote without thinking too much... because i'm just bored of those walk-in... we have it here in France too and they are saying crap... i destroyed a famous one here in France, and i will continue everywhere i go :) The interesting point, is the follower... totally blind people, acting almost like robot. The walk-in doesn't do anything, the followers do for him/her.

You are right and i will analyse her video, maybe you have lead to share ?

One point that i could say on an inverted way of seeing things is that she's not interested by other people that doesn't catch her meaning, not even interested... which is totally incoherent with what she say and pretend to be... also the price of her teaching... quite expensive... truth isn't free ? Or based on donation ?

I'll take time and i'll come with more... much more :)

Hi Xenos, laissez-moi vous rassurer, I told Inelia I was disappointed about such a high price and was not in a position of making such a payment for her course. She wrote me back offering me the course for free to download in the condition of making a donation whenever I can in the future. Une geste assez généreuse n'est-ce pas? ;) Her course is not about truths but rather on a level to meditate on personal issues. If you really can't afford her course, why don't you ask her yourself like I did and get it for free. In reality she doesn't ask for much: Her goal is to raise the vibration level of the masses... and asks you to do the same in your own way. In the end, nothing is free. Just like you can't create energy out of thin air.

I don't think it's a question of believing in Inelia Benz or not, but more about understanding what she has to say and if the information resonates (makes senses) to you or not.

Peace

[Xenos]

I don't think it's a question of believing in Inelia Benz or not, but more about understanding what she has to say and if the information resonates (makes senses) to you or not.

Merci ;) I'm agree that it is not a question of believing... it is out of believing... it is a matter of feelings from the beginning... words are words and can carry lies but it show human heart and their goal.

That's why i decided to watch the interview of Inelia Benz made by Mr Ryan.


nLiNMBKi0ew

Pretty interesting :)

Before, i would like to apologize to Mr Ryan, because she is a friend for him... and so i'm sorry, because I respect him, even if I don't know him personally. But i have to share my thought.

So, my process is that i watched only 15min of the video, and on this time period we have already a lot of information on the reversal state of mind shown by Inelia Benz... literally and i will try to explain it. To explain my point of view.

I would like to call your spirit, all of you, and to see the game where we are... to see what is happening now is beyond friendship, beliefs, fidelity... we are in a practical story happening under our eyes. The story concern all of us as a Free race walking to our destiny... without interference. Listen your inner "God".

Sorry if people feel attacked, but i do care about my people. And that's why i'm doing what i do right now.

I'm maybe wrong and i don't pretend to be right... i'm simply expressing what my heart and soul tells me... and so i would like that every body react and all together we try to understand... trying to avoid emotional reaction, or false reason...


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As Mr Ryan start in the video and summary quicly : "Her gifts are human ones... birth rights... controller doesn't want to know we have... they used for themselves... magic fascinated people". So, does "gifts" are birth right ? If is a gift it is not a right, because it is a gift... you see my point ? After, who is the controller ? Human or non human ? The human are they the bad guys in the story ? I would be interested.

It is said in the video that magic = spirituality. "many great master attest that"... but magic and spirituality has nothing in common. We can take a look to the definition.

Spirituality : Spirituality can refer to an ultimate or an alleged immaterial reality; an inner path enabling a person to discover the essence of his/her being; or the “deepest values and meanings by which people live. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality)

Magic : Magic is the claimed art of manipulating aspects of reality either by supernatural means or through knowledge of occult laws unknown to science. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_(paranormal)

Occult mean "what is hidden" (The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occult ... and as we know, or i know, that bad people hide themselves... and has the scripture says : « secret doesn't exist »... but here, it does exist and even compare to... spirituality. It is simply a total reversial concept... under our eyes it is expressed.

If we consider that the spiritual war is an old war, so you'll understand that “spiritual master” comparing magic and spirituality are probably all walk-in... the project is old to bring the antechrist here, on Earth. So, it is normal that they are old “master”, because most of people doesn't consider the manipulation out of time. But it does exist. We have a proof here !

It say in the video that we can create our own time line, our own future... create the world that we want... pretty individualistic and it fit in our individual world. “My things”, “myself”, “me”, “me”, “me”... and “us” ? “We” ? Never ? Too much of individual goal hidden behind... collectif goal. Doesn't work from my point of view.

What we can learn about her is interesting too :

1 _ She's not a person. “When I look people on Earth they are soul or sparkle of divinity enter in time space in a complete oness, would be transform ina period of 1000 years - I don't know how many lifetime - a sentient being separate from one”. Whow, little cryptic doesn't it ! So... and the NDE ? All the past life testimonies... and so... if she's not one of us, can she speak about what we are... As I see and understand... no she can't. Why ? Because she is a walk-in. She's not a Man race and so they cannot understand what we are, but we can understand what are they.

2 _ “People incarnate to have feelings as a sentient being” Double whow ! An non human being, not a soul, couldn't say better. Do we human incarnate to have feelings ? What a goal in life ! So luxury is a main goal in life ? Just asking question, cause luxury make you feel a lot !

3 _ She's incarnate without spiritual evolution (she is a non human being, so it is correct) to do particular job on the plante”. Sounds big isn't it ? So a being without any spiritual evolution can help human ? No. For mad people here, wait, I will explain this point later, on other points inside the video. I do care about you.

4 _ After her “job”, her individuality won't exist anymore. Does she's trying to say without saying that she's a sort of “avatar” ? “In the concept that the soul in not there” (interesting to watch her face at 07:55, look at her superior smile. But it is a lot of non sense... doesn't it ?

5 _ She is a noob in every single way of thinking as she say... She come from te Source in a human body, like if she was a direct avatar (main point to keep in your spirit)... does an “avatar” of the Source (if it can exist) can act, react or be like she is ? No way lol ! It is simply ridiculous. Does she knows about what she is speaking about ? She's a noob without spiritual evolution... so probably not. But sounds big... only sounds... it is big ? So, what is the Source for her ? What does it look like ? I saw it so I feel very confortable in my opinion. Everything that she pretend to be is a total reversial state of mind, because we are all the Source... no kidding... so she try to make you think that she is “God” himself sittiong in a living room, and it is normal. Who can cheat people mind like that ? Remember me please.

6 _She act – operating – in a total other way that human do... but she wear clothes, look for money... a Sadhu doesn't act like other human and respect the real sense of the world... she seem to be pretty human to me. Pretty materialistic... Don't you think ? It it totally coherent to behave like human, to look for materilial things and pretending that she is a sort “avatar”... It sound coherent for you ? So, she is so superior that she act differently than human who rebirth “millions time” without spiritual evolution... lol ! No joke ?

7 _We learn that time space is linear too (09:48)... quantum physic just prove that is false...

8 _Mr Ryan say also : “Coming from nowhere and nowhen”... does it sound coherent with what she is pretending to be ? An accomplish being come from somewhere and live everywhere... because HE IS. Don't you think ? Does it sound coherent with what the Creator is ? Honnestly ? As an “avatar” it is a great challenge for her job ignoring basic law of physics... proven. Nothing imagine. The Greys are a proof that space time is not linear lol... but everything is fine lol.

9 _Donald Rumsfeld came in my mind... “bigger a story is, easier it is make it believe”... because here we are in a total imagination... without any connection with what we are, as Man race.

10 _She used also a new age vocabulary... “i came with my tools” probably energetical ones... does it sound with the Source ? The Source IS the tool lol ! Honnestly...

11 _If she doesn't have data she take it in “the human collective”... does the Source would act as a parasite in fact ? The Source is not the data ? The data is separate ? Interesting to know ! It is again a total reverse concept.

12 _She downloaded the spanish language when she was young... it sound big isn't it ? Does it fit in the world ? It is a materialistic way of seeing things... a sort of biological robot would act that way for sure. The Source (if it can be personnalize and I doubt about it, because everything is the Source) would act in a different way... don't you think ? As an “everything” state... pretty materilastic, too much for me (11:30).

13 _We learn too that if she needs things, she gets it and if she's curious, she doesn't (11:45). Pretty interesting don't you think ? Because it can interesting to know what sort of needs an “avatar” like would have, especially if it doesn't act like human and I always hear too, that curiosity is a matter of intelligence... so, my point is, if “people” forbid here to know new things, she's not free and if she's not free, she belong too whom ? Does it fit with the Source, the creator of the WHOLE ? Honnestly ? Does a spiritual being, human one of course, doesn't know if things are already good or bad... if things are forbidden for here, so she just doesn't know or she's under control, and what she is preteding to be is a LIE. Simply a lie.

14 _She's also speaking language that she doesn't know... after the download story, I can say... interesting ! So, this is a lead of demonic possession (her face is very proud too, without ego off course at 12:10). The Source, or a real spiritual being, should be proud of what is natural ?

15 _She also speaking foreign language totally incousciously... which is a total reverse of basic spiritual taeching... that we have to be conscious of what we do. And she's not ! What would be the point of view of a real truth seeker about this ? Doing things incousciously does it fit in our goal ? Yes or no ?

16 _You know what is marvellous here ? It alaways happen when people needs help (here face analysies is amusing too how she behave). Cool isn't it ? But, look closer. She spoke incousciously portugese for a very ill person so... as an “avatar” so powerfull, she didn't help him, heal him... she spoke to him as “regular human” do every day without making stories. What did she tell him ? It would be very interesting to know how she helped him, or didn't... which for me possible. It is an evantuality. Don't you think ? (12:50)... And it true that we need the true power of an “avatar” to help people lost in the madrilene metro, because it is a pretty bad case ! It me me laught, sorry lol. (13:25)

17 _From 14:00 it is pretty bad... and clearly, without doubt a possession. The body and her has to find an agreement... because as a parasite the body is probaly fighting against the occupation, the spiritual rape that he is living. Do nature find agreement, when things ARE natural ? Honnestly, do you think ? For me, again, a total reverse of state of truth. Agreement mean opposition. Don't you think ? An UN natural event mean agreement... you see my point ?

18 _At 14:38 it is again reverse, because the soul is waiting for the body... and it is not that way... again reverse and material way of seeing things. “They” (who ?) ask to the body to exchange the soul and the answer was “yes” (look at her face)... so why does the human soul wanted to incarnate ? Using “they” doesn't fit with what she is pretending... she's acting in real for people... who ?

19 _I would finish on a theory wich i'm pretty agree... Rudolf Steiner say that a human body is incarnate at 7 years old (I personaly add that it can be 6 years too), but the incarnation is not as a baby... and gess what ? In Inelia case it is that way. So ? She not a soul, but a being... a multidimensional being.

20 _Walk-in and the new age movement works for the coming of the antichrist... and with all the reverse valor, knowledge that we have here in only 15min of video... it is pretty interesting.

I will take time to watch the rest and what kind of surprise I will find inside.

I would like to finish in music.


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[Anchor]

I have a very strong feeling with Inelia Benz since i first saw her face and eyes... and not a positive one... sorry for the +5 000 fan on Facebook... and the other here...

I have to say because it is hard for me to don't say a word... does she is a walk in ?

If she is and it seem to be from an internet web site that I found http://lightworkers.org/node/141957

So she is a walk in ? Because if it is everybody should be careful... because a walk in is a possession right ? A spirit that put of Inelia's soul and speak through his mouth... right ?

Inelia explained it on this thread in response to my question: see here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208619&viewfull=1#post208619

There are distinct differences between walk-in souls and possession. The former is always done in a manner that respects the free-will of both; possession - not always the case!

[Xenos]

I have a very strong feeling with Inelia Benz since i first saw her face and eyes... and not a positive one... sorry for the +5 000 fan on Facebook... and the other here...

I have to say because it is hard for me to don't say a word... does she is a walk in ?

If she is and it seem to be from an internet web site that I found http://lightworkers.org/node/141957

So she is a walk in ? Because if it is everybody should be careful... because a walk in is a possession right ? A spirit that put of Inelia's soul and speak through his mouth... right ?

Inelia explained it on this thread in response to my question: see here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208619&viewfull=1#post208619

There are distinct differences between walk-in souls and possession. The former is always done in a manner that respects the free-will of both; possession - not always the case!

Edit :

Distinct difference ? A foreigner in a human body is not a human and still a foreigner...

After, as great human as Rudolph Steiner was, a body is incarnated around 7 years old... not before. That's why in France for exple (and probably somewhere else too) we says that 7 years old is the "age of reason". But this proverb doesn't come from Steiner... it is older and come from a truth...

So... a walk-in in the birth... is suspicious... based on human works and not from "space master of (?)"... and my feelings, but i can consider that my feelings concern myself.

But as i said, if your not shocked that a little girl is possessed by a non human being (demonic or not it doesn't change anything)... what to say ? Everybody has a place, and a non human being doesn't have to be in a human body, speaking about human goal that they don't understand... Maybe too simple to be understood, i don't know...

But, i won't include positive being in that... so do you think that a good person would propose to make you leave of your body, taking your life, to do... ? And you, what do you become ? Do we know what people that accepted to exchange their body become ? Probably no...

Like many walk-in here in France perverting the life of Jesus... making him as a walk-in lol... so... it all have a sense...

[Anchor]

But, i won't include positive being in that... so do you think that a good person would propose to make you leave of your body, taking your life, to do... ?

I didn't say anyone was made to do anything (free-will of both respected). In other words this is a mutual agreement between souls.

So, if I were to vacate my body so another soul could use it, and I agreed with that and allowed it, then that would be fine.


And you, what do you become ? Do we know what people that accepted to exchange their body become ? Probably no...

I understand a good deal about the relationship between body/mind/spirit and soul; and for me this is no problem.

I become nothing different than I was before. I am an eternal soul currently having a human experience incarnated in a mind/body/spirit complex for your debating pleasure.

What do you think happens?

[Xenos]

Are you a walk-in too ?

Allow me to doubt on the version that a walk-in give.

[Anchor]

Are you a walk-in too ?

Allow me to doubt on the version that a walk-in give.

No. I am a wanderer (see my question to Inelia for what I mean by that). A soul incarnated in normal human by normal means and accordingly due to the way the process works forgot most of what I knew before in the process - the thing is though, I have started to remember.

Would you please answer my question.

[Xenos]

Are you a walk-in too ?

Allow me to doubt on the version that a walk-in give.

No. I am a wanderer (see my question to Inelia for what I mean by that). A soul incarnated in normal human by normal means and accordingly due to the way the process works forgot most of what I knew before in the process - the thing is though, I have started to remember.

Would you please answer my question.

A wanderer... well. Do you have the link, because it is hard to read 50 pages and watch all Inelia's video. You would help me.

I checked on Google and i learned that a wanderer is a E.T "soul" incarnate in a human body. An other type of parasite ? Because, research show that particular races of E.T wants to steal human Soul, because you don't have one. E.T races are very jealous of us, that's why things happen. So, it is not a Soul that you have or it is maybe a copy like Bright Garlic spoke about, a kind of false energetic duplicate.

It is a total parasite way of seeing to incorporate human body to feel things... like truly parasiote... you bring nothing nice or useful as you please to pretend.

More i read, more i start to think that if the planet is going so bad it is your fault... to bring sadness, bringing walk-in and wanderer to destroy us. Putting human one against other... not to help at all ! The situation is getting worse for century now and not human fault indeed.

Right now i understand the french secret service when they were talking about an invasion... because it is what it is. You are invading us.

Secret service and military, i understand you now ! And i understand all the restrictive procedure that could happen. It is clear right now.

So, i thank you Anchor, Inelia, etc.


What do you think happens?

Maybe you can explain what happen if you know well those questions.

[CdnSirian]

Whew! If Inelia ever needs a reason not to return to this forum, it's much of the above. Yet those who go public probably expect this type of knee-jerk analysis and downright getting dissed.

Walk-in - easy concept. Someone agrees to walk out, someone else walks in. No further complication. If it occurs while in the womb, one minute later, or whatever, no significance.

She is not a person? Semantics, semantics, semantics. Don't we already know how inadequate our languages are? Is that not one reason why we are so easily controlled?

I doubt that Bill Ryan meant for this thread to go this far in the negativity about Inelia. He made a comment - and - whoa! Of course it would be nice if she showed up a little. But I don't think she used him and threw him away. Just my humble opinion.

Please note that I would not be on this forum, if I did not appreciate all of your input and constant provoking of choice as to where I put my thoughts. Regards to all.

I do not personally know Inelia. I do not get any negative stuff whatsoever. Sometimes I truly do not understand what she says, whether it is language, accent or what.

[Xenos]

Whew! If Inelia ever needs a reason not to return to this forum, it's much of the above. Yet those who go public probably expect this type of knee-jerk analysis and downright getting dissed.

Walk-in - easy concept. Someone agrees to walk out, someone else walks in. No further complication. If it occurs while in the womb, one minute later, or whatever, no significance.

She is not a person? Semantics, semantics, semantics. Don't we already know how inadequate our languages are? Is that not one reason why we are so easily controlled?

I doubt that Bill Ryan meant for this thread to go this far in the negativity about Inelia. He made a comment - and - whoa! Of course it would be nice if she showed up a little. But I don't think she used him and threw him away. Just my humble opinion.

Please note that I would not be on this forum, if I did not appreciate all of your input and constant provoking of choice as to where I put my thoughts. Regards to all.

I do not personally know Inelia. I do not get any negative stuff whatsoever. Sometimes I truly do not understand what she says, whether it is language, accent or what.

To be shocked and invokes of sanction is tactic of manipulation... And i thank you for your compliment :) Are you also a walk-in, wanderer or sympathizer ?

It seem to be an easy concept for a simple mind... yes you right. But it's not because it seem to be easy, that it is easy. You get my point ?

I am maybe putting this thread in a technic way of seeing things and you hate it, because i show you up ? :) How many person on this forum think like me ? Do you accept the difference of thinking ? You accept walk-in, wanderer and all the non human being and not a human ? Owner his own body, own Soul ? It is a problem for you ? I express my idea and hope that every single human here get what is happening right know. Hey ! You're on my planet invaders ! Go back to your home guys ! :)

If any human is interested by the future of his own race, so we should explore the danger that walk-in and wanderer and the other that i don't know represent. Because it happen in real. We have here person pretending to be that... and do we have to accept it ?

You know, semantic is very important... if you don't care it is your problem, but intellectual people do care :) Analyzing is very important, because if it's not, we can allow everything, all the meaning will be lose and we will be in a true satanic society... bring by walk-in & co (to be short sorry).

I do care on this question. Nobody force you to participate in a constructive way. I'm maybe not constructive, but show me where i'm wrong :) Don't cry, roll on the floor asking for ban... almost... defend your idea :) Do you have one ?

I don't think also that Bill thought about the possibility than walk-in & co are invaders and the bringer of sadness, all the problem on Earth and the destruction of our society. I do believe that Mr Ryan is clever enough to intervent as he want... he doesn't need pression from you and scandal without at the end, saying something. You are just crying.

You know, i think that the zombie movie is a metaphor speaking about this question... what can tells us, for US human, that you'll not turn crazy and kill us all ? I don't forget that your not human, you look like. That's maybe why the Chinese say that the dalai lama is a human with a dog heart... maybe he his also a walk-in. Which, i have to say, it could be possible.

The Gov. know about that, and it is probably why the concentration camp are build in the US... because you could try to take the power on Earth, because walk-in & co are progressing undercover. Do we know if industrial, financial, politics, murderer or whatever are not a walk-in ? The spiritual face would be so, the correct way to present you :) Get my point ? :) It is strategy of infiltration. If we have military here, maybe they can tell.

This thread bring us in a very interesting points. Don't you think ?

[CdnSirian]

Whew! And double whew!!

[Xenos]

Whew! And double whew!!

What else ? :ear:

[misericordia]

For those of you unsure about Inelia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w at 1:34:42 when Bill sais 'watched' look closely at the dark tree branch to her right.

There are other similar little moments.

[CdnSirian]

Which dark tree branch on her right? You mean the shadow of one on the ground where there is a squirrel running?

[Anchor]

What do you think happens?


A wanderer... well. Do you have the link, because it is hard to read 50 pages and watch all Inelia's video. You would help me.

I look forward to the answer.

I gave you a link already. [http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208619&viewfull=1#post208619 ] You clearly did not read all of it. I think you just don't want to, or cannot answer the question :)

You have called out inelia, a member of the forum as either possessed or negative when there is no real evidence for this except what you say - so it is YOU who have some explaining to do. At least demonstrate your understanding and frame of reference, until you do we have nothing productive to talk about really.


I checked on Google and i learned that a wanderer is a E.T "soul" incarnate in a human body. An other type of parasite ? Because, research show that particular races of E.T wants to steal human Soul, because you don't have one. E.T races are very jealous of us, that's why things happen. So, it is not a Soul that you have or it is maybe a copy like Bright Garlic spoke about, a kind of false energetic duplicate.

This is wrong. You do not understand the concept of wanderers in the sense I have referred to it at all.


It is a total parasite way of seeing to incorporate human body to feel things... like truly parasiote... you bring nothing nice or useful as you please to pretend.

More i read, more i start to think that if the planet is going so bad it is your fault... to bring sadness, bringing walk-in and wanderer to destroy us. Putting human one against other... not to help at all ! The situation is getting worse for century now and not human fault indeed.

Right now i understand the french secret service when they were talking about an invasion... because it is what it is. You are invading us.

Secret service and military, i understand you now ! And i understand all the restrictive procedure that could happen. It is clear right now.

Please find someone (French) who can explain the concept of wanderers to you properly. I am sure I can not penetrate the layers of fear and paranoia that cloud your understanding of this topic using English alone, and I am sorry for that.

John..

[misericordia]

Which dark tree branch on her right? You mean the shadow of one on the ground where this a squirrel runinng?

It's cast in a shadow, sorry perhaps I should have been more descriptive. It's protruding from the main tree that is immediately on her right side.

[Anchor]

So I saw a flicker of light for about a frame, is that what you meant?

[misericordia]

Yes. But within the context of Bill saying 'what would you say to people who have watched everything so far and they just cannot believe what you're saying and they can't believe that you're real.' A random and very bright flicker on an isolated portion of a darkened branch seems oddly coincidental.

Or she was playing with us. (as there are other similar little incidences)

Just my opinion.. :)

[TOTHE]

Yes. But within the context of Bill saying 'what would you say to people who have watched everything so far and they just cannot believe what you're saying and they can't believe that you're real.' A random and very bright flicker on an isolated portion of a darkened branch seems oddly coincidental.

Or she was playing with us. (as there are other similar little incidences)

Just my opinion.. :)

Well we now know definitely the Source has a sense of humor shown in a visual metaphor.
I have interpreted the squirrels shown along with Inelia depicted are finding and planting the acorns or seeds of information for us to find and plant into the collective.
Look for other clues you guys. Case in point, my intuition never gives a direct answer..it's a big fun game for the Watchers looking down at us pieces here on the chessboard trying to solve the puzzles in our reality.

To all who read this: I send you Light, Love Tenacity and Courage.

[NeverMind]

For those of you unsure about Inelia.

What do you mean, Misericordia?
(I isolated this part of your post simply because I am not sure what you're aiming at, that's all.)

I watched that part several times, but all I noticed was the bright flash of a light-coloured car driving behind the tree line of the park (there is even a honk a second later, although it may not be the same car), and there is a squirrel working up an appetite before lunch. :-)

[Xenos]

Greetings all ! :)

We are in a chronology, so Jean Michel Jarre join us... put music brother ! Let sing !


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What do you think happens?


A wanderer... well. Do you have the link, because it is hard to read 50 pages and watch all Inelia's video. You would help me.

I look forward to the answer.

I gave you a link already. [http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=208619&viewfull=1#post208619 ] You clearly did not read all of it. I think you just don't want to, or cannot answer the question :)

You have called out inelia, a member of the forum as either possessed or negative when there is no real evidence for this except what you say - so it is YOU who have some explaining to do. At least demonstrate your understanding and frame of reference, until you do we have nothing productive to talk about really.

Oh, you meant that link ? I'm a fool, i expected a real answer... not a "heard of". I have to say that i particulary like that Inelia cannot explain what she is... she agreed, well ok ... I love it... if we keep in our mind that she is an "avatar" of course :)

As you said : As I understand it Walk-ins enter a body sometime after it has been born and it is by agreement of the original occupying soul which leaves. I think Wanderers means people from other extra-planetary soul groups that are not really needing to incarnate here, but as "brothers and sisters of sorrow" do so to increase their own experience and lend a hand with their higher than average vibrations (as they are usually from very high densities of expression).

I have to say that taking a quote from people that are walk-in, wanderer or whatever themselves... is fun :) What else they can say ? Of course that to be what you are is "cool"... but it's not. You know it like if i was quoting Adolf Hitler to explain you racial concept if i was a nazi... it is equal.

That's why i gave you a chance to give your own explanation... yes i'm nice :) And my dear, i already shown on 15min that she is wrong, based on 20 points... simple point for exple that you deny... "time line is linear". From an "avatar" knowing the whole Universe coming from the source... it is fun... from my point it is hilarious. And i understand your deny.

So, my turn to give an answer that i don't own. As the Christian that I am : First, adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the Serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed, every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.

Walk-in & co are adultery and you are the child of the Serpent... coming here to live in the flesh... to feel the flesh. That's why you will be dissolute by your own nature... your false Nature.



I checked on Google and i learned that a wanderer is a E.T "soul" incarnate in a human body. An other type of parasite ? Because, research show that particular races of E.T wants to steal human Soul, because you don't have one. E.T races are very jealous of us, that's why things happen. So, it is not a Soul that you have or it is maybe a copy like Bright Garlic spoke about, a kind of false energetic duplicate.

This is wrong. You do not understand the concept of wanderers in the sense I have referred to it at all.

I'm wrong ? Well... ok :

What is a wanderer? Some wanderers are ETs who have come from elsewhere to planet Earth for this incarnation or at this time. (http://www.llresearch.org/)

After, it all propaganda because of course that for "you" it is "matured" to be a wanderer and anything else. So, it is immature to be a Man ? This is manipulation...

That's why, us the Man race say : It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually exist unless he becomes like them. This is not the way with man in the world: he sees the sun without being a sun; and he sees the heaven and the earth and all other things, but he is not these things.

So, how and what can you see if you're living in pure flesh ?



It is a total parasite way of seeing to incorporate human body to feel things... like truly parasiote... you bring nothing nice or useful as you please to pretend.

More i read, more i start to think that if the planet is going so bad it is your fault... to bring sadness, bringing walk-in and wanderer to destroy us. Putting human one against other... not to help at all ! The situation is getting worse for century now and not human fault indeed.

Right now i understand the french secret service when they were talking about an invasion... because it is what it is. You are invading us.

Secret service and military, i understand you now ! And i understand all the restrictive procedure that could happen. It is clear right now.

Please find someone (French) who can explain the concept of wanderers to you properly. I am sure I can not penetrate the layers of fear and paranoia that cloud your understanding of this topic using English alone, and I am sorry for that.

John..

Your sweet :)

I'm a Man and I hope too that you understand, if your still a human, what we are... because as a wanderer or anything else other than a human, you'll never understand. Because you just can't... it is a matter of creation and you've been created like this... to fail.

We say : The superiority of man is not obvious to the eye, but lies in what is hidden from view. Consequently, he has mastery over the animals which are stronger than he is and great in terms of the obvious and the hidden. This enables them to survive. But if man is separated from them, they slay one another and bite one another. They ate one another because they did not find any food. But now they have found food because man tilled the soil.

Walk-in & co exchange our Soul, the "hidden superiority". Get my point ?


For those of you unsure about Inelia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w at 1:34:42 when Bill sais 'watched' look closely at the dark tree branch to her right.

There are other similar little moments.

You right brother, and their is something else on the video that I will show. Thank you :)

You made a little mistake, it is not on her right, it on our right. Or, it is on her left. So, everybody will see the being.

Sorry to correct you brother, but I have to do it.


Well we now know definitely the Source has a sense of humor shown in a visual metaphor.
I have interpreted the squirrels shown along with Inelia depicted are finding and planting the acorns or seeds of information for us to find and plant into the collective.
Look for other clues you guys. Case in point, my intuition never gives a direct answer..it's a big fun game for the Watchers looking down at us pieces here on the chessboard trying to solve the puzzles in our reality.

To all who read this: I send you Light, Love Tenacity and Courage.

First degree of seeing...

Tht's why, the Man race say : Names given to the worldly are very deceptive, for they divert our thoughts from what is correct to what is incorrect. Thus one who hears the word "God" does not perceive what is correct, but perceives what is incorrect.

What you think to know is false, because you're not created that way... We, the Man race, know and walk-in & co prevent my race to accomplish our destiny, because of jealousy.

See you soon, with new data friends :)

[Anchor]

So, my turn to give an answer that i don't own. As the Christian that I am : First, adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the Serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed, every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.

Walk-in & co are adultery and you are the child of the Serpent... coming here to live in the flesh... to feel the flesh. That's why you will be dissolute by your own nature... your false Nature.


Great, you still didn't answer my question.

Why wont you?

[Xenos]

So, my turn to give an answer that i don't own. As the Christian that I am : First, adultery came into being, afterward murder. And he was begotten in adultery, for he was the child of the Serpent. So he became a murderer, just like his father, and he killed his brother. Indeed, every act of sexual intercourse which has occurred between those unlike one another is adultery.

Walk-in & co are adultery and you are the child of the Serpent... coming here to live in the flesh... to feel the flesh. That's why you will be dissolute by your own nature... your false Nature.


Great, you still didn't answer my question.

Why wont you?

I don't see any question ? No subject, just nothing.

"What happen" is not a clear question... i'm just a human without super power lol... be nice :)

Or if I get it... "what happen to you"... I answer but you deliberately ignore the answer.

You don't get it because maybe you can't understand... it is here under your eyes :)

[Anchor]

This is the question I answered:

Do we know what people that accepted to exchange their body become ? Probably no...

But then I asked you :

What do you think happens?

This is the question I want you to answer, I am sorry if it was not clear before.

[Xenos]

This is the question I answered:

Do we know what people that accepted to exchange their body become ? Probably no...

But then I asked you :

What do you think happens?

This is the question I want you to answer, I am sorry if it was not clear before.

They are probably destroyed... tortured... because exchange our greatest gift for pure weakness... is pure craziness. Pure.

You know, abduction research in Europe show that their is very huge place own by malevolent being that storage Soul in container... and they are exploited. You're maybe their...

But, as you said, you know pretty well those question. So, you can maybe give your point of view, as a walk-in/wanderer/follower ? :hungry:

We are both agree that you're not human anymore... you look like... but that's all. Right ?

[Tony]

Seeing significance is a coincidence


I looked at the clock,
and it said 11am.
I ran round the house.
And all the clocks,
said the same.

Oh, the marvel of it!