The Inelia thread

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

I think that after this remarkable post on the Integrity (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18908-Integrity&p=204826&viewfull=1#post204826) thread (which I was actually unaware of until after it was closed), Inelia deserves her own thread.


Bill and Avalon are standing strong. If I feel a threat to this place or Bill, even if simply implied, I will step in. No question.


It appeals to my well-developed sense of all that is wonderful to have a self-appointed bodyguard who stands five foot nothing and weighs 99 lbs.

:)

But this is not a joke. I greatly appreciate her commitment. I reciprocate it here in an equally clear statement of my commitment to her.

Inelia and I will be working closely together for many years to come. (One or two were concerned that this might not have Kerry Cassidy's support, but it does: Kerry has the highest regard for her.)

True to her post above, Inelia is a remarkable person. Many others are, of course, including a large proportion of Avalonians - some of whom I already know very well. I mean that sincerely.

But if I came right out and laid out everything I now know and understand about Inelia's life, many of you wouldn't believe me. We're going to start recounting this together, beginning in Sacramento this Saturday (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18497-Bill-Inelia-experimental-seminar-Sacramento-CA-Saturday-30-April) (30 April 2011).

One day might not be enough, but we're going for it. There's an enormous amount to explain and present, in any way we can. It's an inspiring and deeply instructive story. We'll be releasing my video interview of her as soon as a website is ready to receive what may be a large number of questions and enquiries.

This is an unfolding tale, as well, which continues to grow and change almost daily. It involves us both - in ways we will be expanding on soon.

My best wishes to all - Bill

[W.C.]

...looking forward to the unfolding of the tale. Inelia and many others' commitment to you (and vice versa) is testament to your character and work.

I'm sure I speak for a number of people when I say it is highly appreciated.

[Nortreb]

Thanks Bill.
I was fortunate to have the chance to listen to a 15 minute trailor of Inelia's experience this morning.

Incredible and quite fascinating!

She possesses a "High Range of Energy". I could feel it in her voice.

Thanks for this.

Nortreb

[perfectresonance]

http://content6.flixster.com/poll/44/82/44828_std.jpg

Just something that came to me...

[ace]

http://content6.flixster.com/poll/44/82/44828_std.jpg

Just something that came to me...

Thats like are old friend Gypsy......

Ace

[perfectresonance]

I was being more subtle than that Ace. It's Lady Guinevere...

[perfectresonance]

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It appeals to my well-developed sense of all that is wonderful to have a self-appointed bodyguard who stands five foot nothing and weighs 99 lbs.


This may be just my perception, but I recall her seeing Charles off the premises...

[ace]

I was being more subtle than that Ace. It's Lady Guinevere...

Come on, A spade is a spade.

Better days to come.

Ace

[The One]

Looking forward to it

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have

[fopa]

Interesting, i look forward to the content.

[John Parslow]

Hello Bill

Many thanks for this new information, I along with others I am sure are delighted to know that you and Inelia will be working together in the future. I am sincerely looking forward to any videos from you both and here’s wishing you my best regards for the future …

Love and peace to you both. JP :cool:

[eaglespirit]

Looking forward to it

Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have

YES Indeed...and now, now, now IS the Time!!!

[Gaia]

Sounds cool ! She seems to me like a really good person and influence.I will also add that she's not a fraud. Will luv to know her better:)

http://ascension101.com/images/stories/ascension2012.jpg
http://en-gb.facebook.com/inelia
http://inelia.blogspot.com/

[PHARAOH]

http://content6.flixster.com/poll/44/82/44828_std.jpg

Just something that came to me...

perfectresonance, I have it on good authority this is whom Charles saw when he meet Inelia. :boxing:

[EsmaEverheart]

This is great! Can't wait to get to know her. Wish I could come on Saturday but I am moving my elderly parents to a Retirement Center and all the chores that go along with that. It has me tied up for a while.

[Yoda]

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Dear Friends,

...
It appeals to my well-developed sense of all that is wonderful to have a self-appointed bodyguard who stands five foot nothing and weighs 99 lbs.

:)

But this is not a joke. I greatly appreciate her commitment. I reciprocate it here in an equally clear statement of my commitment to her.

Inelia and I will be working closely together for many years to come. (One or two were concerned that this might not have Kerry Cassidy's support, but it does: Kerry has the highest regard for her.)

...


I am so glad that you have both made your feelings, for each other, public. When two strong spirits join together, in a common focus, it is more than exponential.
We are in for a very high energy exploration. Congratulations to both!
Pierre

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you, Bill. I have a sense that Inelia offers a very important perspective, as well as some essential tools for many of us. At this point in time, there is an enormous shifting of energies - learning to work with one own energy and processes is critical- and I have given it top priority in my own life. The time is now. Thank you for having the courage to walk this path. I know there are many who are unhappy with Avalon and the direction it is headed. So be it. Nothing can be all things to all people. We must each listen to our own heart's widsom. Thanks to both you and to Inelia for stepping forward to help show the way. Namaste.

[Lifesong]

Hi Bill and all,

I'm glad to read this as I've been a little bit confused about Inelia since the whole "Lucifer is gone" thing with Atticus, and then the pretty nasty thread that followed it.

I'm truly looking forward to the interview. While I'm eager to learn from credible sources, I do still need to hear Inelia's information to know what I think about it.

That said, you sound happy, Bill, and I love that.

:)

[toothpick]

You are really building up the excitement of members who want to read Inelia,s thread, Bill, excellant.
Can,t wait myself, but I don,t want to say too much before sinking my teeth into Ineia,s thread.
Oh yeah, Inelia, my wife must be a kindred spirit of yours.
She is 4ft 11 3/4 inches tall and also wieghs around 99 lb. according to her, anyway.
Small but mighty, she is the only woman I have ever been afraid of, and, after 37 yrs together thats alot of fear to deal with.
Looking forward to the thread.

toothpick

[MMA_Fan]

Hi Bill, Inelia,

What's the purpose of this particular thread? Is it for Q&A or for Inelia to make statements?

I've wanted a Q&A thread for Inelia since listening to her excellent interview on that podcast: http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/audio/FREE_11-02-11_Inelia_Global_Elite.mp3 or maybe have a sub forum with Inelia's thread's in it?

Cheers,
Jim

[Normalguy31]

Excited to hear more about Inelia's story. I get a good feeling inside from her posts, and attitude. I am eager to see where this goes!

Anyone know when the interview will be published?

[Inelia]

I'll be happy to answer any questions. Do keep in mind that I will be traveling (setting off in a few minutes) and will not have much access to the Internet until tomorrow Wednesday 27th of April.

[Bill Ryan]

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A slightly better photo of her. She left her longbow in the car.

:)

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_Sedona_sm.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Excited to hear more about Inelia's story. I get a good feeling inside from her posts, and attitude. I am eager to see where this goes!

Anyone know when the interview will be published?

Here's the 15 minute trailer. The full interview will be published in the next few weeks.

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4

or

http://sendspace.com/file/c7lmij

Enjoy. :)

[manny]

some people have all the luck.
beauty and brains;)

[Muzz]

What a lovely woman. Thanks for the sneak preview Bill. Looking forward to the full interview.

[Calz]

Just had the good fortune to view a 15 minute "trailer" to the upcoming avalon release of Bill's interview with Inelia (received as email as one who has visited her site).

Some overlap with Lucia's audio interview but goes beyond even in the short 15 minute "teaser" of what will soon be coming for us all to enjoy.

Hopefully Bill and Inelia can either find the means to hit a number of different locations or else get it recorded. I have no doubt many would be willing to purchase a dvd if that is the only means to hear the message and be able to discern for ourselves what that could bring to us all.

Thanks to all.

*** adding ***

oops ... as I was posting looks like Bill has added the same 15 minute trailer I referred to.

enjoy :)

[manny]

Inelia ,
have you noticed if the ptb have taken a interest in you and your ability,s.(because surely if they have not ,they will now)
especially if your are willing to help others unlock their potentials.

have you ever felt threatened by them or anything else.
how do you defend yourself.

Bill your interview was released the same time as this.are you leading up to something?
something big.i ask this because you challenged tptb,et or whomeever that you two will be in florida.and seemed very confident.
in a earlier post you said that the timeing of these releases where important.
would you care to elaborate.

after so much disharmony here recently,these are very refreshing.

can you feel the energy....;)

too many syncronitys today here on avalon lol

[MMA_Fan]

some people have all the luck.
beauty and brains;)

...and superpowers :)

[Andrew]

Excited to hear more about Inelia's story. I get a good feeling inside from her posts, and attitude. I am eager to see where this goes!

Anyone know when the interview will be published?

Here's the 15 minute trailer. The full interview will be published in the next few weeks.

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4

or

http://sendspace.com/file/c7lmij

Enjoy. :)

Perfect timing, I've just watched your part 1 interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFP5hOux4UY&feature=feedu) then I watch this. Thanks, they were very welcoming, hope to meet you both someday.

[benevolentcrow]

Always open to new thoughts and new faces to take me to new places.

There are many exits to explore. Excited to see where this journey leads us.

[Normalguy31]

Ahhhh what a teaser. I hope the whole interview will be published soon.

Much love to both of you guys!!!

I have such a wonderful feeling inside right now. :o Smiling from ear to ear

[K626]

"It's wide open right now, there are no limits to what can be accomplished". Inelia

I second that. It is completely true.

It is in OUR HANDS it always has been.


love

K

[Davidallany]

Inelia deserves her own thread.
Thank you Bill. Thank you Inelia. Thank you Project Avalon.

[Alexandrian]

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/centurion09.jpg

Extremely psychic Pict warrior in movie Centurion (avail on Netflix)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

This thread is long overdue.

What I am finding interesting about Inelia recently is the way some people are drawn to attack her or look for ways to. It's really weird. I watch people ascribe motivations and intentions to her which, having met her, I don't even think she is capable of if she wanted to. From what I can tell, Inelia does not have judgements about people in an ego based way. Oh sure she can get angry and feel all the emotions, but she sees the bigger picture clearly. She is like my own Teacher in this way.

So, my theory is that people see themselves reflected in Inelia. By her vary nature she brings peoples stuff to the surface for them to see just by being present. I see this in my own life in smaller ways. If someone is deluding themselves and you don't join in the delusion, you become a threat. Some people don't like what they see of themselves reflected by Inelia, so they attack. Does that make sense? Inelia, please comment when you find time.

"Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrits than one honest man." - Albert Einstein

[Yoda]

Inelia ,
have you noticed if the ptb have taken a interest in you and your ability,s.(because surely if they have not ,they will now)
especially if your are willing to help others unlock their potentials.

have you ever felt threatened by them or anything else.
how do you defend yourself.

Bill your interview was released the same time as this.are you leading up to something?
something big.i ask this because you challenged tptb,et or whomeever that you two will be in florida.and seemed very confident.
in a earlier post you said that the timeing of these releases where important.
would you care to elaborate.

after so much disharmony here recently,these are very refreshing.

can you feel the energy....;)

If you really want to curl your toes, listen to Inelia's interview with Lucia Rene. It's called "Update on the global elite"

http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/teleconferences/?page_id=945...

[MMA_Fan]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

[ROMANWKT]

I am really looking forward to getting to know what Inelia is all about in more depth, I can feel the excitement. I know that this union will start to move things ahead for Avalon, as I feel you are both gifted people and leading us in the right direction.
Inelia you are a very beautiful woman, your photo just lights up.

My sincerest regards to you both
roman

[Leprechaun]

Being new to this forum, although not to the themes herein contained am intrigued by this, will be checking what Inelia has to say, and looking forward to becoming an active member of this forum. Would love to network with fellow Avalonians especially those in th UK to help in the reconnection process..... I have so much to remember and would appreciate all and any help.

In peace, love and lowness

[Kate]

some people have all the luck.
beauty and brains;)

...and superpowers :)



the potential is in all of us. sometimes we just need to be reminded. or remember.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi all
I just had a look at the 15 min video that bill has released, and its a wow, its everything that i had ever wanted to know, and I really feel that she is a person that can lift all spirits here in Avalon, she was just talking to me about all the thinks that I think daily trying to resolve or come with an understanding, A wonderful find Bill, Great vibes all around. cant wait to see the whole video, thank you Inelia, thank you Bill. CANT WAIT
My regards as always
roman

[Sierra]

Five feet tall? 99 pounds? LMAO!!!

I am going to be LOOMING over Inelia this weekend!

Sierra :hippie:

[NancyV]

Inelia reminds me of the Fifth Element:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0qy3JHz6X0&feature=related

The clip below could be Inelia and Bill: :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P8jJNbLREo

[ulli]

Spot on.
Key movie.
Thanks for posting, NancyV.
Thanks for BE-ing, Inelia.
I feel safer, all of a sudden.

[Bob_2011]

Hi Bill and Inelia,

As Carrie Underwood says at the start of this song, youv opend the floodgates, and maybe thats just what the mission is for you two. Good Luck,







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk&feature=player_embedded

[HORIZONS]

"I am willing to change,
the way I think, the way I feel.
I am willing to change,
from what I think, to what is real."

I think and feel that, yet another, personal timeline change is much overdue.
~a well braided timeline is not easily broken~

[Chelle]

I really enjoyed the preview.

Thankyou Inelia and Bill

[RedeZra]

Tnx Bill this is another feather in your hat ; )


I'm looking forward to the full interview with Inelia

She seems like a sweet strong Sister

[Roseheart]

This thread is long overdue.

What I am finding interesting about Inelia recently is the way some people are drawn to attack her or look for ways to. It's really weird. I watch people ascribe motivations and intentions to her which, having met her, I don't even think she is capable of if she wanted to. From what I can tell, Inelia does not have judgements about people in an ego based way. Oh sure she can get angry and feel all the emotions, but she sees the bigger picture clearly. She is like my own Teacher in this way.

So, my theory is that people see themselves reflected in Inelia. By her vary nature she brings peoples stuff to the surface for them to see just by being present. I see this in my own life in smaller ways. If someone is deluding themselves and you don't join in the delusion, you become a threat. Some people don't like what they see of themselves reflected by Inelia, so they attack. Does that make sense? Inelia, please comment when you find time.

"Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrits than one honest man." - Albert Einstein

This is so timely for me... I just had this very thought before I logged on... This is the first thread I've read today....
I was thinking about how since my own awakening began, certain people have literally attacked me for no reason or created a situation which lead me not choice but to end the friendship. I was thinking about how possibly they sensed that I could now see behind their mask (which I could) and this made them too uncomfortable to be around me... I then thought that this is the very situation that Inelia may be inspiring here with some people... It's like you have no control over it - people will just do anything to get away so they feel safe again....
I was going to PM Inelia to ask her about this very thing and then I find this from you Whisky! Thank you!

Inelia, I'd love to hear what you have to say on this.

Blessings to all. x

[fifi]

Thanks for opening this thread, Bill. I can hardly wait for the full interview. I am so happy to see Bill has a strong ally and "protector", and feel that we are so lucky to have Inelia joining our forum. Thank you very much, Inelia, for helping Avalon members by sharing your knowledge and wisdom.
Fifi

[Hervé]

Bill, thank you for opening the thread.

So... that's what's happenning in your life, eh!?

I can hardly wait for what's next then!

Although I suspect it's gona be a trememdous healing for all (that includes closing all gaps).

Inelia, thank you for taking this on!

[benevolentcrow]

Enjoyed the video. Thank you Bill and Inelia. Great preview of things to come. Exciting times we live in...

"Don't go through life, grow through life" Eric Butterworth

[Bill Ryan]

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There are quite a few interesting stories in the full-length interview. Since that was recorded, Inelia has told me many, many more.

Some of them are moving, some entertaining, some almost unbelievable, and some are just hard to hear by any standards.

One of them, connected with the coup in Chile in 1973, is one of the most remarkable and inspiring I've ever heard. I'll write this up and tell it soon. I still cannot recount it without coming apart.

In the meantime, my second favorite Inelia story is a simple one, and is extremely funny. Once when she was 4 years old (and even then very small for her age), she became extremely upset about a particular incident - and the supervising adult had to lock herself in another room until reinforcements arrived.

That makes me laugh every time I think about it. Never upset a tiny toddler with a keen sense of justice when they're new to this universe and have all their abilities intact.

:)

[norman]

Never upset a tiny toddler with a keen sense of justice when they're new to this universe and have all their abilities intact.

:)

That's FUNNY!:pray:


EDIT: Inelia, I wonder why it took so long?

[slipknotted]

sounds interesting as always cant wait and i enjoyed your newest vid thanks

[Wiremu2011]

Who needs or cares about William and Kate, when we've got our own Bill and Inelia ;)

[Calz]

I'll be happy to answer any questions. Do keep in mind that I will be traveling (setting off in a few minutes) and will not have much access to the Internet until tomorrow Wednesday 27th of April.


Sure.

My question is where do we go to apply for "clemency"??? :target:

I could use a nice blast of that "stuff" ... wallowing around in bliss sounds pretty good in these times. :haha:

[toothpick]

Just caught the Inelia trailer, Wow!
Absolutely facinating.
I,ve been waiting along time to hear exactly what Inelia had to say about our abilities.
My jaw is hanging and I have goosebumps.
Where ever you are from sweetheart, Welcome, lots of love and respect.
Can,t wait for the rest.
Talk about the right thing at the right time, just lovely to hear.
Bill, nothing to say man. you already know how good this will be for all members.
I sure hope I,m not dreaming, man.

toothpick

[Hervé]

Inelia reminds me of the Fifth Element:


Yep!

Something like Inelia badaboomed into Bill's car.

[motherlove]

I'm so pleased I listened and came here at the right time and the right place. I hear you and I see you. May everyones dreaming be productive and their hearts true. Best Wishes.

[mosquito]

I've just watched the very interesting preview. All the things Inelia describes about her childhood were true of me when I was young, except I don't recall leaving my body. I clearly remember being able to somehow perceive the things that were going on with humanity, and inwardly screaming and wanting out. I also used to be able to just sit with people and help them get better. Nowadays I'm in a bizarre situation - the basic, physical, mundane, day to day life is a struggle for me, but in meditation all is wonderful ! I have a blank piece of paper, I can write the rest of my life story, except I don't know what to write ! Life for me in recent years has been a day to day affair, which feels as though it's a necessary process. Yet there's a feeling of being on the edge of something, a tiny side-step into a different reality. (Language breaks down here I'm afraid !) I'm aware of living in a paradox, which, paradoxically is a frustrating but wonderful place to be. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say ?

[bilko]

I knew there was something special about that girl when she mentioned sock puppet to charles.I believe she was holding up the forum that night, literally.
I look forward to the interview.
Whoa! just watched the clip and i can't wait!
Inelia seems like an extraordinary being now that i have see her.
Thank you Inelia for addressing the balance for us.

[NancyV]

Inelia reminds me of the Fifth Element:


Yep!

Something like Inelia badaboomed into Bill's car.
Yep, BIG Badaboom!!
Nancy :)

[Jake]

My lives search for answers led me to Avalon. I have been awake and aware for some time now. I have had Many OBEs and communication with non-physical beings. Out of all of the research and reading and studying that I have done personally, I have never resonated with an energy/spirituality/goals etc,,, the way that I have resonated with Inelia and her message. The trailer sends chills up and down my spine and I can't wait for more. I have always held on to the belief that the most effective 'revolution' would be to empower ourselves spiritually. Take back our own power by 'proving' to ourselves that we are more that our human bodies. 'Come out of her!" Inelia is a skilled and gifted psychic and natural energy worker. Her cup spills over. As we move closer to the inevitable shift in consciousness, it is increasingly important for us who are already 'awake and aware', to move forward with this message. I have found that I can spend countless hours with a person, trying to 'teach' them how to have an OBE. I can give them all of the information in the world. But,,, there is nothing that will ever compare to a single moment of 'inspiration'! THAT is what will repel you beyond your body. I have come to Avalon to do my part to help facilitate this message. I cannot wait for more. What a wonderful time to be an Avalonian.

[Wiremu2011]

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A slightly better photo of her. She left her longbow in the car.

:)

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_Sedona_sm.jpg

Wow, she's an esoteric hottie. :) sorry I don't know much about Inelia, but by the way this thread is going, I'm equally excited. If it's all positive, which I'm sure it is, then I'm all for it. Thanks all the same. Huge kudos to you both; Bill and Inelia.

[An Cailleach]

Great choice of music for trailer opening:

"We're living in a strange time
working for a strange goal
we're turning flesh and body
into soul.."

Strange Boat- The Waterboys

Just watching it now.

[Flash]

very interesting trailer of inelia, eager to see more

[Karma Ninja]

I am extremely curious to hear the interview and see if it can connect some dots for me.

I have long searched for a kinder, longer lasting and more sincere truth than the one I seem to fly in and out of... A few years back I went into a deeply emotional and happy phase in my life that had me seeing aura's and it seemed like everything I said to people was 'significant' to them. I was meditating more and my wife and I were trying for our baby and I wanted it to be born from the strongest love I could muster. She is here now and the most amazing little girl. I couldn't love something more than her... I just feel like somehow I was really connected to a higher power or a better place and I have slipped away from it a little now. Yet the past few months I have been getting that feeling again. I am really taking control of the things that move me away from my goal.

Inelia really strikes a chord with me and I can tell others feel that way too.

Peace

[jp11]

I've tried to use the Thanks button for a few posts and it isn't working for me. Anyway, I just want to thank you all for this uplifting thread. Thank you Bill and Inelia for what is being brought forth.

Last night my ego was triggered when I wanted to either post or thank a few people on the Integrity thread only to find it had closed while I was on there. At first I blamed Inelia because no sooner had I read her say the thread should close...and it did. A nice eye opening lesson in misplaced anger for feeling out of control in my life and/or situation.

Again, I am expressing my gratitude to you Bill for offering something to me that makes a difference in my life. I look forward to spending time with you and Inelia at some point in the future. I know it will be. Now all I have to do is wait for the reality to catch up with that knowing. In the meantime, blessings to us all and certainly Bill and Inelia.

I watched the 15 minute Inelia trailer and will be sending the link to a few people. And when I have more time I'll be watching Inelia's interview of Bill. :pop2:

[Lita]

I am looking forward to the whole interview ..thanks

[Nasu]

What a build up, can't wait for the interview! Glad to hear you in great spirits Bill. N

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Multipass.

[IndiRey]

What an honor to be newly part of Avalon and to have the privilege of being able to attend the gathering on Saturday. What a gift. Thank you, Avalon, Bill and Inelia! I am looking forward to what the future has in store.

[bennycog]

Dare i say my love interest question has been answered bill ;)
I have noticed that change in you, which is why i posed th question.. If so it brings hope to all us single guys and gals on here, waiting for that attractive (visually, spiritually and vibrationally), understanding and %110 supportive other half to come along :)

[Sync]

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A slightly better photo of her. She left her longbow in the car.

:)

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_Sedona_sm.jpg

Bill, you sly ol' dog, you...

You are now forgiven for referring to yourself in the third person.

Cheers!

[jcocks]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE! Look around you. Is a shift happening NOW? Sure, small changes first, but think about where they will lead.....

2012 is a ploy to get people to ignore what is happening around them NOW.
:)

[astrid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWGbvemTag&NR=1

multlpass

[MMA_Fan]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE! Look around you. Is a shift happening NOW? Sure, small changes first, but think about where they will lead.....

2012 is a ploy to get people to ignore what is happening around them NOW.
:)

Hi,

You misunderstand me :)

I am aware that things are happening right now (and have been for a while). What I want to know is if we are going to hit a 'booster' around this time.

As for being a ploy...I would have agreed with you just a few days ago but now I am not so sure (hence my question to Inelia). I think 2012 may be a post it note marking something 'big', or pehaps there will be a huge wave of conciousness.

I am open to all potentialities however.

Regards,
Jim

[Wiremu2011]

I just watched the 15 minute video trying to understand who she is. And what a lovely breath of fresh air she is and very beautiful too. My BS radar instantly dropped it's guard immediately when she spoke. Her spirit really resonated with me (and I consider myself to have reasonable discernment). I looking forward to listening to more of what she has to share. I feeling all warm and fuzzy about this. Hallelujah!

[Lifesong]

Inelia, thank you, I enjoyed the trailer and am looking forward even more to hearing the entire interview.

I have many questions, but will hold off until the full interview is released.

Safe travels to Florida, you and Bill...please take care.

- In Peace.

[Dennis Leahy]

...Last night my ego was triggered when I wanted to either post or thank a few people on the Integrity thread only to find it had closed while I was on there. At first I blamed Inelia because no sooner had I read her say the thread should close...and it did. That was my fault. I closed the thread (which I had almost done several times earlier, as the thread had run its course and was disintegrating.) Mods are supposed to leave a note when they close a thread, and I forgot to. (Paul properly noted the thread closing later.) My apology for my mistake that led to misplaced anger.

Dennis

[Aurelius]

Folks .. I just need to reiterate ... I am very uncomfortable when people with exceptional abilities that are doing good come to the forefront ... Inelia isn't invincible in the physical realm .. we need to keep these people's identities guarded ... not draw attention to them ... so that they can continue to do their good work and hopefully teach/guide/help others.

Create an Avalon inner-circle (greater than the mod team)?

Food for thought - Mr X, Mallove, JFK, Colby, Kelly + Deacon, McKinnon, Humble, Peterson ...

[Anchor]

Create an Avalon inner-circle?

No!

Inner circles are broken!

Look what happened the last time with the "Charles" inner circle.

Personally I am not worrying about Inelia - I think she knows exactly what she is doing, and I am quite pleased that she is.

I have never seen Bill coming from this new spiritual "perspective" before, so that's a big plus for me.

Go Inelia!

John..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWGbvemTag&NR=1

multlpass

Classic.

Fifth Element is a big hit with the Wanderers that I have come across - I am guessing that another favourite would be the film "Contact" ;)

John..

[sunflower]

Thoughts winging towards a positive and spiritual outcome. All good. We can contribute to this optimal flow.

[Aurelius]

no inner-circle ... hmmmm ... do you see anything wrong with exposing all exceptional people to the whole internet community indefinitely ?

ps. no one said it is meant to be easy / unbreakable ...




Create an Avalon inner-circle?

No!

Inner circles are broken!

Look what happened the last time with the "Charles" inner circle.

Personally I am not worrying about Inelia - I think she knows exactly what she is doing, and I am quite pleased that she is.

I have never seen Bill coming from this new spiritual "perspective" before, so that's a big plus for me.

Go Inelia!

John..

[bennycog]

Folks .. I just need to reiterate ... I am very uncomfortable when people with exceptional abilities that are doing good come to the forefront ... Inelia isn't invincible in the physical realm .. we need to keep these people's identities guarded ... not draw attention to them ... so that they can continue to do their good work and hopefully teach/guide/help others.

Create an Avalon inner-circle (greater than the mod team)?

Food for thought - Mr X, Mallove, JFK, Colby, Kelly + Deacon, McKinnon, Humble, Peterson ...

I am so damn happy you brought this up because i have been thinking about a question all day that involves your comment.
In relation to living our lives over and over again, (reincarnation, souls/energy projecting itself into a a body here on earth). With an entity entering a body here on earth and containing the wisdom and knowledge before they enter. Why do they enter into a body knowing full well that the outcome of what they want to acheive here on earth will result in thier own death or complete removal of social recognition? It is not only done a few times but we have seen so so so many people from the past and now removed from us that could have changed the world as we now in a drastic but beautiful way.
Another thing i guess i will bring up is the timeline strategy. My feeling is we need the doom so we can choose not to go through that part of the timeline find another path around it. If we are told something bad is imminent, lets choose not to go that path. If we are holographic and in a play and ad-libbing and in control ourselves. This place called avalon, (as well as other communities), are really the neuron's and pathways or forks in the road that can lead us to or beyond disaster for ourselves and the universe.

[Anchor]

no inner-circle ... hmmmm ... do you see anything wrong with exposing all exceptional people to the whole internet community indefinitely ?

ps. no one said it is meant to be easy / unbreakable ...

No I don't generally - because these people tend to know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it.

What I do like (very much) is the pure-hearted intent behind your idea - you want to protect something you see as good.

However, inspiring as that is - does it not admit a measure of fear? A little fear that something can go horribly wrong and wreck everything? I suspect that people like Inelia dont need that - they would rather the support came in the form of active and fearless energy.

I'll admit I am guessing a lot here and might not know exactly what I am talking about :)

John..

[Alexandrian]

Great choice of music for trailer opening:

"We're living in a strange time
working for a strange goal
we're turning flesh and body
into soul.."

Strange Boat- The Waterboys

Just watching it now.

Last week - I was in one of those conditions where I KNEW there was something significant I should be doing but had not found it yet....

Opened Avalon - and badaboom badabing - this Inelia thing is starting in my neighborhood....

As I was enjoying this re-connect to the flow/source etc - Pandora (the music player) graciously served up the song "How to Become Clairvoyant" by Robbie Robertson. Highly recommended - lots of soul in his music in general - seems to touch that place in me - unleash the potential that is within me.

It's new so I couldn't find a youtube to add here but here are the first few lines:

Benedictine sister to Isis
And the black Madonna
Mysteries and magic
Goddess of the night
She could read the stars
Knew the secrets of the day
And could see what kind of madness
Was stirring around in your head
She said "My birth sign is Scorpio"
We ate ourselves up and burn ourselves out
So could somebody show me
How to become clairvoyant
To be one of the ones
Who can see around corners
And knows what's to come
How to become clairvoyant
That's what I've gotta know
So just show me where to sign
And point me where to go

light-love to all

[bilko]

Folks .. I just need to reiterate ... I am very uncomfortable when people with exceptional abilities that are doing good come to the forefront ... Inelia isn't invincible in the physical realm .. we need to keep these people's identities guarded ... not draw attention to them ... so that they can continue to do their good work and hopefully teach/guide/help others.

Create an Avalon inner-circle (greater than the mod team)?

Food for thought - Mr X, Mallove, JFK, Colby, Kelly + Deacon, McKinnon, Humble, Peterson ...

Hi Aurelius, wonderful name by the way. It rolls off the tongue so well.
I respect your post here however i get the feeling that Inelia is in no danger.

If i am right then Inelia being the wonderful gifted vessel that she is, is like a constantly live circuit.
If i am right then she is instantaneously protected by love and/or the power that works through her, she is a conduit, a vessel for higher powers. She does not actually have to do anything but allow IT to work through her. It is for this reason that i believe she is in no danger.

Maybe a different analogy - a black hole does not have to be on its guard from light and matter because it snatches it as soon as it comes into contact, sometimes before it comes into contact. Inelia could be described as an expanding ball of love that snatches or engulfs darkness and evil without thinking about it, if i am right.

She is the balance or the power that works through her is. Anything bad that comes into contact with her has no escape and it knows this too as it asks for leniency.
So you see i believe Inelia will be fine. Inelia, our beautiful spiritual terraformer lol.
Like i say i do respect and understand your opinion here though.:)

[Starshowerusa]

Good Morning,

I am so glad that my husband and I will be able to join this event on Saturday. I know it will be a very powerful co-creation! I am so looking forward to meeting you all, make new friends and connections and create a powerfield that will help support the creation of the new timeline. We are making this happen!

[Aurelius]

<snip>
In relation to living our lives over and over again, (reincarnation, souls/energy projecting itself into a a body here on earth). With an entity entering a body here on earth and containing the wisdom and knowledge before they enter. Why do they enter into a body knowing full well that the outcome of what they want to acheive here on earth will result in thier own death or complete removal of social recognition? It is not only done a few times but we have seen so so so many people from the past and now removed from us that could have changed the world as we now in a drastic but beautiful way.
<snip>


for me it is simple. we need to start to play this game properly. we don't have infinite time to get it right. having a strategy is key.

you raise an excellent philosophical question .. ie. why does a soul incarnate when they see the path ahead. it would be good to get Inelia's take on this, since she has full recollection. it may be as simple as .. we often do things based on the end result (overlooking the actual journey) ... and things look different from an etheric perspective .. ie. time doesn't exist the way it does for us (our history is the snap of a finger) and everything is an illusion (holographic universe)



<snip>
This place called avalon, (as well as other communities), are really the neuron's and pathways or forks in the road that can lead us to or beyond disaster for ourselves and the universe.
<snip>



Nurture, preserve and protect ...

(addressed in a strategy & the key message in my original post)

[Aurelius]

Bilko .. this all boils down to strategy .. anticipating & preparing ahead of time.

ps. don't loose sight of some of the examples I listed .. the list goes on.




<SNIP>
I respect your post here however i get the feeling that Inelia is in no danger.

<SNIP>
If i am right then she is instantaneously protected by love and/or the power that works through her, she is a conduit, a vessel for higher powers. She does not actually have to do anything but allow IT to work through her. It is for this reason that i believe she is in no danger.

[jp11]

Dennis, I don't know what it is with me and the Thanks button, but it just won't work for me most of the time. Anyway, thanks for your reply to my post. But whether you did or did not follow proper protocol really isn't the point for me. What I gained from that experience is to notice when I'm reacting instead of responding.;)

[Calz]

Create an Avalon inner-circle?

No!

Inner circles are broken!

Look what happened the last time with the "Charles" inner circle.

Personally I am not worrying about Inelia - I think she knows exactly what she is doing, and I am quite pleased that she is.

I have never seen Bill coming from this new spiritual "perspective" before, so that's a big plus for me.

Go Inelia!

John..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jWGbvemTag&NR=1

multlpass

Classic.

Fifth Element is a big hit with the Wanderers that I have come across - I am guessing that another favourite would be the film "Contact" ;)

John..

Agreed ... while many have fallen by the wayside bringing forth "truth" I think Inelia can handle herself.

[dan i el]

I don't want to be disruptive, I want to dissent. I don't want to be banned, I want to ask a question to Inelia. It is a respectful question and I mean it in a respectful way.

It is about eating animals.

On average ( I think ) I eat animal flesh about once every two years or so...simply when my body urges me to do so..

I read on the Ascension blog that eating flesh can preclude or inhibit smooth Ascension ( I am not entirely sure what Ascension is supposed to constitute other than an apparent shift in state of being for those "ready" for such an experience )

My question is this: If it is not good to eat the meat of a once living flesh and blood creature then why is it acceptable to clothe oneself with the flesh of such creatures? Is it not, in essence, exactly of the same premise? I cite the the photo of the leather jacket worn against the backdrop of hills laden with Cacti.

As said, I eat of animals, very rarely, but occasionally, I am not a Jain. I thought the idea of eating animals as unhelpful to Ascension but wearing their skins as presumably okay, confusing and paradoxical. In these terms, I am proffering dissent as I don't think it makes sense and it makes me wary of the overall message.

please don't ban me, i want to be a constructive participant in the community.

I am wary, often wary. I was wary when a Lama told me he knew me from a time before. I apologise if I am being overly wary, I have Asperger's and wariness is sometimes a healthy necessity for my ilk in navigating the neurotypical world.

[Hervé]

Well, I feel this is better suited here with regards to the current avatar:



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[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Dear Dan i el,
I cannot speak for Inelia, but I understand your confusion regarding meat and the wearing/ use of leather. I eat sparingly of meat, and I am always careful of the source (grassfed, locally raised). I consider myself to be on a spiritual path. I read the material at "Ascension 101" and I took away the idea that intention and an overall mental attitude was key. Most spiritual traditions encourage a vegetarian type diet, but in some geographical locations, this is not possible. Listen to your body and focus on raising your vibration in as many different ways as possible. Obsession on any one thing is probably not a good idea!

That said, I DO still wear boots of leather, carry a leather purse, and have a leather jacket (also a "pleather" one that looks like leather - good for rain). I am not ingesting these into my body, so I don't think the vibrational impact is the same. For example, compare shaking hands to making love as to the impact on the participants. Anyway, I don't think people get banned for asking questions, rather for being sort of nasty and mean or deceitful and devious. Hope this helps! Namaste.

[Anchor]

I don't want to be disruptive, I want to dissent. I don't want to be banned, I want to ask a question to Inelia. It is a respectful question and I mean it in a respectful way.

...

please don't ban me, i want to be a constructive participant in the community.


The very core of the question you are asking is exactly why this forum exists, but the bracketing of the question in please don't ban me speaks to a deeply flawed understanding of what has been going on recently with those who were asked or made to leave.

No one is going to get banned for asking questions or challenging views in a genuine manner that is not a sly ad-hominem or otherwise passive aggressive attack on someone.

John..

[dan i el]

Dear Dan i el,
I cannot speak for Inelia, but I understand your confusion regarding meat and the wearing/ use of leather. I eat sparingly of meat, and I am always careful of the source (grassfed, locally raised). I consider myself to be on a spiritual path. I read the material at "Ascension 101" and I took away the idea that intention and an overall mental attitude was key. Most spiritual traditions encourage a vegetarian type diet, but in some geographical locations, this is not possible. Listen to your body and focus on raising your vibration in as many different ways as possible. Obsession on any one thing is probably not a good idea!

That said, I DO still wear boots of leather, carry a leather purse, and have a leather jacket (also a "pleather" one that looks like leather - good for rain). I am not ingesting these into my body, so I don't think the vibrational impact is the same. For example, compare shaking hands to making love as to the impact on the participants. Anyway, I don't think people get banned for asking questions, rather for being sort of nasty and mean or deceitful and devious. Hope this helps! Namaste.

Many thanks for the reply! I also have some leather boots and as said on occasion eat animal flesh too. If I can ask your own opinion-- why does physical ingestion play a part in the process? Is it because what is expected is solely a material transcendence and thus clothing oneself in animal hide, as oppose to eating animal flesh makes a pronounced metaphysical difference? Simply put, I simply just don't understand the difference that it entails! Why is it any different?

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I don't want to be disruptive, I want to dissent. I don't want to be banned, I want to ask a question to Inelia. It is a respectful question and I mean it in a respectful way.

...

please don't ban me, i want to be a constructive participant in the community.


The very core of the question you are asking is exactly why this forum exists, but the bracketing of the question in please don't ban me speaks to a deeply flawed understanding of what has been going on recently with those who were asked or made to leave.

No one is going to get banned for asking questions or challenging views in a genuine manner that is not a sly ad-hominem or otherwise passive aggressive attack on someone.

John..

I didn't want the impetus behind my question to be misconstrued in such a time of strained emotions!

edit) I will be the first to accept that I may have a "deeply flawed understanding" of what has been going on here, though...although your phrasing might be unnecessarily strong tbh.

with respect

[Anchor]

Many thanks for the reply! I also have some leather boots and as said on occasion eat animal flesh too. If I can ask your own opinion-- why does physical ingestion play a part in the process? Is it because what is expected is solely a material transcendence and thus clothing oneself in animal hide, as oppose to eating animal flesh makes a pronounced metaphysical difference? Simply put, I simply just don't understand the difference that it entails! Why is it any different?

Seems like you already got the answer, but yes eating and wearing are different because when you eat you transform the material into your own body. When you wear it, you don't (well there is some subtle effects).

The important thing in my view is the giving of special and extra thanks and blessings for all that the animals provide us with.

[Calz]

I don't want to be disruptive, I want to dissent. I don't want to be banned, I want to ask a question to Inelia. It is a respectful question and I mean it in a respectful way.

...

please don't ban me, i want to be a constructive participant in the community.


The very core of the question you are asking is exactly why this forum exists, but the bracketing of the question in please don't ban me speaks to a deeply flawed understanding of what has been going on recently with those who were asked or made to leave.

No one is going to get banned for asking questions or challenging views in a genuine manner that is not a sly ad-hominem or otherwise passive aggressive attack on someone.

John..

I think there is a real downside to the atmosphere lately and hopefully that will soon pass.

So many posts now have to have some sort of "disclaimer" such as "don't shoot the messenger" etc.

Yes there should be controlled moderation to ensure we all have room to speak without personal attack ... but still there needs to be "room to speak" with a level of comfort.

[dan i el]

Many thanks for the reply! I also have some leather boots and as said on occasion eat animal flesh too. If I can ask your own opinion-- why does physical ingestion play a part in the process? Is it because what is expected is solely a material transcendence and thus clothing oneself in animal hide, as oppose to eating animal flesh makes a pronounced metaphysical difference? Simply put, I simply just don't understand the difference that it entails! Why is it any different?

Seems like you already got the answer, but yes eating and wearing are different because when you eat you transform the material into your own body. When you wear it, you don't (well there is some subtle effects).

The important thing in my view is the giving of special and extra thanks and blessings for all that the animals provide us with.

No, I didn't feel that my question was adequately answered.,Personally perceive it on an equally spiritual as atomic level ie. wearing and eating both are tantamount to the same. I do not subscribe to your onus on "there are only subtle effect if you dont actually ingest" -- it reminds me of Clinton not inhaling! In light spirit, no offence intended, sorry if I caused rancor.

I agree with thanking the flora and fauna though! :)

[Bill Ryan]

It is about eating animals.

On average ( I think ) I eat animal flesh about once every two years or so...simply when my body urges me to do so..

I read on the Ascension blog that eating flesh can preclude or inhibit smooth Ascension ( I am not entirely sure what Ascension is supposed to constitute other than an apparent shift in state of being for those "ready" for such an experience )

My question is this: If it is not good to eat the meat of a once living flesh and blood creature then why is it acceptable to clothe oneself with the flesh of such creatures? Is it not, in essence, exactly of the same premise? I cite the the photo of the leather jacket worn against the backdrop of hills laden with Cacti.

As said, I eat of animals, very rarely, but occasionally, I am not a Jain. I thought the idea of eating animals as unhelpful to Ascension but wearing their skins as presumably okay, confusing and paradoxical. In these terms, I am proffering dissent as I don't think it makes sense and it makes me wary of the overall message.

please don't ban me, i want to be a constructive participant in the community.

I am wary, often wary. I was wary when a Lama told me he knew me from a time before. I apologise if I am being overly wary, I have Asperger's and wariness is sometimes a healthy necessity for my ilk in navigating the neurotypical world.


The very core of the question you are asking is exactly why this forum exists, but the bracketing of the question in please don't ban me speaks to a deeply flawed understanding of what has been going on recently with those who were asked or made to leave.

No one is going to get banned for asking questions or challenging views in a genuine manner that is not a sly ad-hominem or otherwise passive aggressive attack on someone.

John..

Exactly!

Dan i el, this is an important and intelligent question. Thanks for asking it. :)

I'll be really interested to read Inelia's answer. Here's my own:

As spiritual beings, most of us are heavily affected by our bodies - more so than most of us realize.

The body has its own intelligence, its own problems, its own concerns, its own sense of purpose, and its own [very long] history - both as itself a reincarnating 'body intelligence' (an intelligent spiritual component) and also through the DNA, which is a deeper program that contains elements of all the genetic line going back a very long way. (Important to note: these two factors are different and separate, though they can sometimes be connected.)

What we eat (and other things that happen to the body - like radiation, illness, psychic attacks, and physical incidents) all affect us as big beings.

All bodies (and body intelligences) are different - as different as people are. They have personalities, quirks, preferences, strengths, weaknesses, sensitivities, and vulnerabilities.

Some food that the bodies eat can affect the body in various ways. Like poison, toxins, allergens, and poor quality food.

One aspect of poor quality food is food that contains a residue (like a kind of spiritual echo, or accompanying shadow) of suffering. That is the case with many animal products.

This can be minimized by 'blessing' (healing) the food before it is eaten. One does not necessarily have to abstain.

A good prayer before eating a meat meal is similar to that of Dr Masaru Emoto's prayer for polluted water (the principle is very similar indeed):

I am sorry to have made you suffer. Please forgive me. I thank you. I love you.

This works for all animal products. It's not a ritual, of course. One has to mean it sincerely.

The physical components of meat can be valuable for the body in physical terms - like repairing a car with components made of high quality steel. But the spiritual component of meat can be upsetting to the body intelligence.

Regard this as a sort of cannibalism: the body is really an animal (but the kind of animal that a highly sophisticated spiritual being can 'drive' - like 'driving an Avatar', as in James Cameron's wonderful movie). And here it is eating another animal that has suffered - forced to do so by its 'driver' (i.e. you or me).

Some bodies will not mind this at all. Others may be highly sensitive.

In my opinion, eating meat is not connected at all with 'ascension' (which Inelia uses as an encompassing term for I call the wholesale raising of consciousness) - unless it interferes with the body's operation and 'body's mental health', which in turn affects you or me as the 'driver'.

And it can affect the driver, in this way, as surely as if you had food poisoning. One can't easily 'ascend' (or readily expand one's consciousness) if one is very sick, either.

[dan i el]

That's a great answer, Bill. many thanks. I could be off track in terms of the genomic imperative in this but I suspect we should possibly also consider equally to offer prayers of conciliation to the animals' whose skins we adorn for warmth against the elements or to stop our feet scuffing against the ground. A song springs to mind here! :)

p4G2RlBKbrM

[Inelia]

<snip>
I read on the Ascension blog that eating flesh can preclude or inhibit smooth Ascension ( I am not entirely sure what Ascension is supposed to constitute other than an apparent shift in state of being for those "ready" for such an experience )

My question is this: If it is not good to eat the meat of a once living flesh and blood creature then why is it acceptable to clothe oneself with the flesh of such creatures? Is it not, in essence, exactly of the same premise? I cite the the photo of the leather jacket worn against the backdrop of hills laden with Cacti.

As said, I eat of animals, very rarely, but occasionally, I am not a Jain. I thought the idea of eating animals as unhelpful to Ascension but wearing their skins as presumably okay, confusing and paradoxical. In these terms, I am proffering dissent as I don't think it makes sense and it makes me wary of the overall message.

<snip>

Hi Dan i el,

The definition of Ascension I use in my website is as follows = The expansion of Awareness.

It is, as pointed out by Bill, a matter of the vibrational residue left in the meats that enter our own physical body. The meat from a battery hen, is not vibrationally the same as a freerange hen who has been well looked after and kept, plus given a quick and painless death.

Also, as Bill pointed out, blessing the food, or energizing it with light and love will have a huge effect on it.

With regard what we wear on our bodies, this has a lesser effect, but does have an effect. Again, something (whether leather, cloth of plastic) that has been crafted by an individual who loves his/her craft, is much better energetically than a shirt from a sweatshop in China or India. I often will put clothes back on the rack at stores because I can "read" the makers suffering while she/he made it. One can, of course bless the clothes too, plus the washing and wearing process will eventually "clean" the negative residue... but on this regard, I prefer to spend a little more too and buy from local artisans who enjoyed making them.

[dan i el]

Hi Inelia, I appreciate your reply. I do understand the issues of sweat shops and Laogai's and really don't want to participate in such atrocity at all. In fact, I haven't even bought clothes for a long time now as I figure I have accumulated enough through the last few years which are presentable enough to see me through for a while yet! lol

My main quandry was about the energetic effect of wearing animals as oppose to refraining from eating them.. Bill answered it for me with aplomb tbh, so I won't labour the point any longer. I must though admit that I do not see a pronounced difference in terms of "energetic residue" spiritually between eating and wearing, if only in terms of our identity as independent entities being, nevertheless, a perceived construction within a light reactive atomic field at core level on this plane? The nature of separation being facilitated by the dance of the atom?

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

The "shift" began in the 50s, through the 60s, was hijacked in the 70's and 80s, and took off again in 2004 or thereabouts. We are accelerating, a huge global awakening is the result of it, and the changes will be in direct relation to the level of awareness of the entire human collective. When I have looked at the "natural" disasters that have happened in the past couple of years, I feel they were enhanced by artificial means. Why? Because tptb want to create an Armageddon type scenario for their own purposes. Keep the collective in a "fear" vibration, and they minimize how much the collective wakes up en mass.

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Never upset a tiny toddler with a keen sense of justice when they're new to this universe and have all their abilities intact.

:)

That's FUNNY!:pray:


EDIT: Inelia, I wonder why it took so long?

Hi norman,

What took so long?

;)

[Inelia]

Folks .. I just need to reiterate ... I am very uncomfortable when people with exceptional abilities that are doing good come to the forefront ... Inelia isn't invincible in the physical realm .. we need to keep these people's identities guarded ... not draw attention to them ... so that they can continue to do their good work and hopefully teach/guide/help others.

Create an Avalon inner-circle (greater than the mod team)?

Food for thought - Mr X, Mallove, JFK, Colby, Kelly + Deacon, McKinnon, Humble, Peterson ...

It is true that my physical body is as vulnerable as anyone else's. However, if they did take my body out, I would simply come back in an instant (unless the job was finished, in which case, I would not). It is actually beneficial to those who track people like me to know where I am and what I am up to, that gives them a sense of "control". If they killed my body, they would have to find me again, among billions of people ;)

[DeDukshyn]

If I may just share a little on eating meats: My appetite for meat has vastly waned in the last couple years, in fact it has for most all food, and definately processed foods. I really like meat, but I am now sensitive to this "residue" - never quite thought of it like that though, but I could sense the fear and suffering in my meat. I can actually taste it now even. I seem to be able to taste or sense every single chemical and food additive and it's really hard to force myself to eat a lot of the time. I grew up as a kid with garden fresh vegetables charged with love and care - I can barely eat grocery store vegetables anymore - they taste like crap to me. I ended up hardly eating at all for a while and discovered that I didn't even need 75% of the "food" I was putting into my body anyway. I still need to start a garden - something I've been meaning to do.

I would have far less issues eating meat if I could grab a bow and arrow, pray for any critter willing to give up his life for my meal to meet me out in the woods. I would appreciate that so differently because it was given to me - not taken by me.

Thanks Bill and Inelia for so simply yet accurately describing the issue.

[Tangri]

Hi Inelia,

Did you hear the name of Alexandra Williams?
I think I have met him with different body , person and will.

[fifi]

Excited to hear more about Inelia's story. I get a good feeling inside from her posts, and attitude. I am eager to see where this goes!

Anyone know when the interview will be published?

Here's the 15 minute trailer. The full interview will be published in the next few weeks.

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4

or

http://sendspace.com/file/c7lmij

Enjoy. :)

Hi Bill, I cannot see the trailer in either link, because I cannot open mp4 file, only mp3, and cannot access the second link either. Is it possible for you to post the trailer and later the full interview in mp3, or as an embedded video file.

Thank you very much,
fifi

[norman]

Hi norman,

What took so long?

;)

You, I, Bill, and so many more have been here a very long time. I feel worn out by the world I've endured.

By 'what took so long' I mean, couldn't this have been started many years ago?

[Inelia]

Hi norman,

What took so long?

;)

You, I, Bill, and so many more have been here a very long time. I feel worn out by the world I've endured.

By 'what took so long' I mean, couldn't this have been started many years ago?

Oh! right! Yes, well overdue. The shift, on this timeline, was hijacked and slowed down (the acceleration of the shift started in the 50s, if not earlier). That's why so many lighworkers and lighwarriors are feeling battle-weary and have a sense that this darkness and sleeping masses, destruction of the planet etc.. has simply gone on waay, way to long.

[bennycog]

Hey Inelia :) any chance you can share some insight from my question please...?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=205720#post205720

[Inelia]

Hey Inelia :) any chance you can share some insight from my question please...?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=205720#post205720

This is a very good point. Yes, a lot of people who were beacons of light, have been taken out in many ways. While looking at it from my perspective, we are all going to die and disappear from the human collective consciousness at some point. There has been a couple of deaths, such as that of Lady Diana, which were not just to take out her light from the planet, but to vamparise the archetype she was bringing into the planet.

One of the solutions is for so many people to come out and shine bright, that at the end of the day, they cannot take us all down. The proof is in the pudding, the planet is awakening... and there is nothing tptb can do about it.

As to our collective choice of not agreeing with doom... yes, very important.

[manny]

hi inelia .
do you have any targets at this present time.

[David Topí]

Hi norman,

What took so long?

;)

You, I, Bill, and so many more have been here a very long time. I feel worn out by the world I've endured.

By 'what took so long' I mean, couldn't this have been started many years ago?

Oh! right! Yes, well overdue. The shift, on this timeline, was hijacked and slowed down (the acceleration of the shift started in the 50s, if not earlier). That's why so many lighworkers and lighwarriors are feeling battle-weary and have a sense that this darkness and sleeping masses, destruction of the planet etc.. has simply gone on waay, way to long.

HI Inelia,
for those who seem to be ascending, moving to a higher state of awareness and vibration, and for those that, at a Higher Self level seem to be ending their 3D physical learning cycle, do you have any "knowledge" on how an hypothetical transition to a new higher density level would be? For instance, do you recall when you moved from being a 3D consciousness to a 4D one and how was it?

thanks!

[Inelia]

hi inelia .
do you have any targets at this present time.

Yes, I'm working with lightworkers, leaders and artists. It is very effective to give support to those who are empowering thousands/millions of people, because as they become stronger, and their light brighter, they can then serve those people they are empowering even better. As to "dark" targets, yes, there's a couple of groups I am working with at the moment.

[manny]

one more q please.
was there any dark targets that you have targeted,that have you have worked with and surrendered the light ,and would they be willing to come forth and tell their story.
thanks

[Inelia]

HI Inelia,
for those who seem to be ascending, moving to a higher state of awareness and vibration, and for those that, at a Higher Self level seem to be ending their 3D physical learning cycle, do you have any "knowledge" on how an hypothetical transition to a new higher density level would be? For instance, do you recall when you moved from being a 3D consciousness to a 4D one and how was it?

thanks!

Excellent questions. As awareness grows, the higher (lower density, higher vibration) level is accessible, we can see this today as more and more people realise that this reality is becoming more pliable, like putty in their hands, and able to manifest and create items and situations very quickly and without much effort, into their lives. This is them entering the 4th dimension. As to recalling the transition, I am not really qualified to answer that question as my "reality" is that the entire time/space matrix creation is a holographic construct as unreal, or as real, as a thought. Including all the different dimensions within.

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one more q please.
was there any dark targets that you have targeted,that have you have worked with and surrendered the light ,and would they be willing to come forth and tell their story.
thanks

That would be very cool indeed. I second that request :)

[gigha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q29YR5-t3gg

it is a great song.. :)

[David Topí]

HI Inelia,
for those who seem to be ascending, moving to a higher state of awareness and vibration, and for those that, at a Higher Self level seem to be ending their 3D physical learning cycle, do you have any "knowledge" on how an hypothetical transition to a new higher density level would be? For instance, do you recall when you moved from being a 3D consciousness to a 4D one and how was it?

thanks!

Excellent questions. As awareness grows, the higher (lower density, higher vibration) level is accessible, we can see this today as more and more people realise that this reality is becoming more pliable, like putty in their hands, and able to manifest and create items and situations very quickly and without much effort, into their lives. This is them entering the 4th dimension. As to recalling the transition, I am not really qualified to answer that question as my "reality" is that the entire time/space matrix creation is a holographic construct as unreal, or as real, as a thought. Including all the different dimensions within.[COLOR="red"]



Thanks, I understand, your whole being seem to be part of a much larger state of awareness that simply being part of one dimension ( I call them densities, somehow, and due to some experience with "parallel" dimensions, I try to make a different between parallel "realities" and different levels of vibrational existence). I understand that we as Higher Selves, do indeed "exist" in several densities (or at least we "sit" in a higher plane and then we project a part of us into a physical body into a lower level), but we are still, in general, even at HS level, 3D beings trying to move into higher 4D or whatever it comes later level of existence.
It is tricky sometimes to grasp what lies beyond us, I have been told so many times that we do not need to worry, that all this is just indeed an illusion and that all the "bad" guys you fight, at HS level, at the very best friends of our own HS, just playing different good/bad roles in this matrix, just for the "fun" and just for experience and grow. I believe this applies to all 3D HS incarnating here, maybe not to negative polarity beings from higher densities, but not sure if you can comment anymore on that.
thanks!

[MMA_Fan]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

The "shift" began in the 50s, through the 60s, was hijacked in the 70's and 80s, and took off again in 2004 or thereabouts. We are accelerating, a huge global awakening is the result of it, and the changes will be in direct relation to the level of awareness of the entire human collective. When I have looked at the "natural" disasters that have happened in the past couple of years, I feel they were enhanced by artificial means. Why? Because tptb want to create an Armageddon type scenario for their own purposes. Keep the collective in a "fear" vibration, and they minimize how much the collective wakes up en mass.



Thanks for replying:)

I wonder if the 'hijacking' in the 80's was behind all the terrible haircuts and shoulder pads? lol

[jcocks]

for me it is simple. we need to start to play this game properly. we don't have infinite time to get it right. having a strategy is key.

you raise an excellent philosophical question .. ie. why does a soul incarnate when they see the path ahead. it would be good to get Inelia's take on this, since she has full recollection. it may be as simple as .. we often do things based on the end result (overlooking the actual journey) ... and things look different from an etheric perspective .. ie. time doesn't exist the way it does for us (our history is the snap of a finger) and everything is an illusion (holographic universe)


Well actually, we DO have infinite time to get this right - we can come back again and again and again until we get it right. But the point is we are getting this right NOW, we wouldn't be here if we weren't.

My understanding of the question is that we incarnate here precisely BECAUSE we see the path ahead. We're here for the ride, among other things. We want to experience the adventure that this blue orb of ours is currently going through. It sometimes amazes me that we are currently going through precisely the time period that I used to talk about within the new-age group that I belonged to in the late nineties.... And if you think things are interesting now, you ain't seen nothing yet! This is just the warm-up (but I believe things are going to really heat up soon!)...

[David Topí]

for me it is simple. we need to start to play this game properly. we don't have infinite time to get it right. having a strategy is key.

you raise an excellent philosophical question .. ie. why does a soul incarnate when they see the path ahead. it would be good to get Inelia's take on this, since she has full recollection. it may be as simple as .. we often do things based on the end result (overlooking the actual journey) ... and things look different from an etheric perspective .. ie. time doesn't exist the way it does for us (our history is the snap of a finger) and everything is an illusion (holographic universe)


Well actually, we DO have infinite time to get this right - we can come back again and again and again until we get it right. But the point is we are getting this right NOW, we wouldn't be here if we weren't.

My understanding of the question is that we incarnate here precisely BECAUSE we see the path ahead. We're here for the ride, among other things. We want to experience the adventure that this blue orb of ours is currently going through. It sometimes amazes me that we are currently going through precisely the time period that I used to talk about within the new-age group that I belonged to in the late nineties.... And if you think things are interesting now, you ain't seen nothing yet! This is just the warm-up (but I believe things are going to really heat up soon!)...

The way I see it is that we incarnate here on Earth because it is the most challenging school and place to evolve and learn. Otherwise, our HS would be still incarnating in alien bodies (reptilians, sirians, whatever). And the funny part is that we have been before on those "alien" places incarnating, just for the experience, but it was too "easy", so in order to "grow faster" (time as an illusion, I know) we came here.
Earth is the perfect school, it was designed this way, it was probably high jacked a bit and made more complicated that it was supposed to be I guess, but none the less, when we entered this 3D game and choose Earth as the game board, we knew what we were doing. In fact, we still know what we are doing, we simply do not "ask" enough to our HS to get that info while incarnated in body :-)

[arpanet]

Continuing a bit on the food subject.

I have never understood how just meat or animal products are a bad thing. Don't plants have the ability to feel pain too?

I remember reading a story about an Indian female mystic/saint. One day she asked her pupil to pick up some leaves for the meal in the ashram. The pupil went to gather some leaves and when he returned the saint was angry because the pupil had picked too many leaves and thus hurt the plant unnecessarily.
I remember this saint always blessing the food before eating. In fact it is a great privilege to get to eat food that she has blessed.

This whole thing with blessing the food seems to be also quite common in some native tribes. For example after killing the animal they express their gratitude and perhaps carry out some ritual for the soul of the animal to return to heaven or reincarnate.

To generalize this... what kind of objects can contain this kind of emotional "energy"? Does it apply to everything? For example is it possible put some negative energy on a coin? How about love on a computer? I'm really trying to ask a serious question here. :)

I remember a recent thread here somewhere where they were discussing about treating the negative emotions of elemental particles. I think the context was the Japanese nuclear plant disaster. It seemed too far out for me.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

What can you tell us about 2012? Is there going to be a shift? It always seemed a little too soon for me, perhaps something with an element of truth that got spun out of proportions.

Can you please elaborate on what will happen around this time and what sort of changes we can expect?


Cheers,
Jim

The "shift" began in the 50s, through the 60s, was hijacked in the 70's and 80s, and took off again in 2004 or thereabouts. We are accelerating, a huge global awakening is the result of it, and the changes will be in direct relation to the level of awareness of the entire human collective. When I have looked at the "natural" disasters that have happened in the past couple of years, I feel they were enhanced by artificial means. Why? Because tptb want to create an Armageddon type scenario for their own purposes. Keep the collective in a "fear" vibration, and they minimize how much the collective wakes up en mass.



Thanks for replying:)

I wonder if the 'hijacking' in the 80's was behind all the terrible haircuts and shoulder pads? lol

Objective proof that the darkside took over that decade. ;) lol so funny!

[Amer]

Hi Inelia
Over different times here there has been focus on certain individuals who have said to have abilities/knowledge/insights etc., that are so appealing for us the general populace interested in the unending quest for truth and self-development.
Important things for me in the face of giving credence to what someone is saying is their complete transparency and my own intuition of them. I remember your interesting exchange with Atticus – when he asked you how you had come to Bill’s attention you said that he himself (Atticus) had told Bill to contact you. In the trailer for your interview you say that you were given the name Bill and Avalon and at that time it didn’t mean anything to you. Are you saying that you became a member of Avalon and then worked through Atticus ( to his unknowing I would imagine) to have him suggest to Bill to contact you? How did Atticus know you? Have you worked together in the past? Was he aware of your extra special abilities? Could you clarify this passage please?
Could you also explain a little of the comment you made some time ago that Lucifer was no longer in the matrix? It is such a comfort to hear but if I’m not mistaken you talk of very real evil present in people- is this possible if indeed the personification of evil is no longer in our matrix?
Thanks so much in advance
Amer.

[Inelia]

Continuing a bit on the food subject.

I have never understood how just meat or animal products are a bad thing. Don't plants have the ability to feel pain too?

I remember reading a story about an Indian female mystic/saint. One day she asked her pupil to pick up some leaves for the meal in the ashram. The pupil went to gather some leaves and when he returned the saint was angry because the pupil had picked too many leaves and thus hurt the plant unnecessarily.
I remember this saint always blessing the food before eating. In fact it is a great privilege to get to eat food that she has blessed.

This whole thing with blessing the food seems to be also quite common in some native tribes. For example after killing the animal they express their gratitude and perhaps carry out some ritual for the soul of the animal to return to heaven or reincarnate.

To generalize this... what kind of objects can contain this kind of emotional "energy"? Does it apply to everything? For example is it possible put some negative energy on a coin? How about love on a computer? I'm really trying to ask a serious question here. :)

I remember a recent thread here somewhere where they were discussing about treating the negative emotions of elemental particles. I think the context was the Japanese nuclear plant disaster. It seemed too far out for me.

Yes, plants also feel their own destruction. Some fruits are produced specifically to be eaten by animals, so they can carry the seeds far and wide. But plants do respond to gratitude and asking for permission, just like animals.

As to putting love vibration into objects, that works too. I was recently at a friend's house who is the most talented intuitive Feng Shui consultant I know, and the entire house buzzed with positive energy, the food her husband prepared was so high vibrational that when I eat it I could feel the lightforce and good vibes entering my body... it was quite an experience.

An intuitive person touched my car once and pulled back shouting "oh my god, it's alive!" :)
This same car refused to start one day, we tried "jumping" it for about an hour, then, as soon as I decided I was not traveling (I had a long drive scheduled), it just started. As I was climbing out, someone pointed out to me that one of the back wheels had about half the air as the rest. Something I would not have noticed myself.

[Tantauri]

As spiritual beings, most of us are heavily affected by our bodies - more so than most of us realize.

The body has its own intelligence, its own problems, its own concerns, its own sense of purpose, and its own [very long] history - both as itself a reincarnating 'body intelligence' (an intelligent spiritual component) and also through the DNA, which is a deeper program that contains elements of all the genetic line going back a very long way. (Important to note: these two factors are different and separate, though they can sometimes be connected.)

What we eat (and other things that happen to the body - like radiation, illness, psychic attacks, and physical incidents) all affect us as big beings.

All bodies (and body intelligences) are different - as different as people are. They have personalities, quirks, preferences, strengths, weaknesses, sensitivities, and vulnerabilities.

Some food that the bodies eat can affect the body in various ways. Like poison, toxins, allergens, and poor quality food.

One aspect of poor quality food is food that contains a residue (like a kind of spiritual echo, or accompanying shadow) of suffering. That is the case with many animal products.

This can be minimized by 'blessing' (healing) the food before it is eaten. One does not necessarily have to abstain.

A good prayer before eating a meat meal is similar to that of Dr Masaru Emoto's prayer for polluted water (the principle is very similar indeed):

I am sorry to have made you suffer. Please forgive me. I thank you. I love you.

This works for all animal products. It's not a ritual, of course. One has to mean it sincerely.

The physical components of meat can be valuable for the body in physical terms - like repairing a car with components made of high quality steel. But the spiritual component of meat can be upsetting to the body intelligence.

Regard this as a sort of cannibalism: the body is really an animal (but the kind of animal that a highly sophisticated spiritual being can 'drive' - like 'driving an Avatar', as in James Cameron's wonderful movie). And here it is eating another animal that has suffered - forced to do so by its 'driver' (i.e. you or me).

Some bodies will not mind this at all. Others may be highly sensitive.

In my opinion, eating meat is not connected at all with 'ascension' (which Inelia uses as an encompassing term for I call the wholesale raising of consciousness) - unless it interferes with the body's operation and 'body's mental health', which in turn affects you or me as the 'driver'.

And it can affect the driver, in this way, as surely as if you had food poisoning. One can't easily 'ascend' (or readily expand one's consciousness) if one is very sick, either.

Dear Bill,
Great job on providing a concise and very clear explanation to a quite complicated and complex topic.
One thing I might add is that the joy, love and 'state of mind" of the cook can have a strong impact as well. Compare a home cooked meal or one from a small family run restaurant to other options. In the right environment of gratitude and appreciation, some plants and/or animals are fulfuilled by providing sustanence to a "higher" life form.
Much Love,
T.

[Tantauri]

Oops. Sorry, meant to clip the long quote from Bill, but then again it is worth a second (or third) read if you haven't already.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia
Over different times here there has been focus on certain individuals who have said to have abilities/knowledge/insights etc., that are so appealing for us the general populace interested in the unending quest for truth and self-development.
Important things for me in the face of giving credence to what someone is saying is their complete transparency and my own intuition of them. I remember your interesting exchange with Atticus – when he asked you how you had come to Bill’s attention you said that he himself (Atticus) had told Bill to contact you. In the trailer for your interview you say that you were given the name Bill and Avalon and at that time it didn’t mean anything to you. Are you saying that you became a member of Avalon and then worked through Atticus ( to his unknowing I would imagine) to have him suggest to Bill to contact you? How did Atticus know you? Have you worked together in the past? Was he aware of your extra special abilities? Could you clarify this passage please?
Could you also explain a little of the comment you made some time ago that Lucifer was no longer in the matrix? It is such a comfort to hear but if I’m not mistaken you talk of very real evil present in people- is this possible if indeed the personification of evil is no longer in our matrix?
Thanks so much in advance
Amer.

I was guided to join the forum and post something that Bill wouldn't miss. It was then up to him to contact me. I can only let people/beings know I'm there, and it is up to them to engage the rest of the way. Why Atticus told Bill to contact me... the divine works in mysterious ways sometimes. I cannot speak for Atticus, so cannot say what went through his mind. I have not met Atticus or worked with him in the past. From the conversation I had with him, and the exchanges we shared in the forum, I can stipulate that Atticus cannot see me or locate me at a psychic level. This is not uncommon.

As to Lucifer no longer in the matrix, there was a very specific dark being, who has been known as Lucifer, who was working through various people on the planet (and one Vatican person in particular). The entity did leave, some of the people are still around, and are still working for their "master", even though the "master" is no longer here. When a person has been infused with darkness for their entire lifetime or many lifetimes, it takes a while for their higher self to regain connection. But it is much easier when the entity who was feeding from and through them is gone.

If it was up to me, we would clear up all negative vibration from the planet in an instant. However, one of the rules of the game at this level is free will. We cannot enforce a transformation on another being unless they engaged in battle themselves (and had the intention of enforcing a transformation on the other party).

[ace]

Hi Ineila.

Had you not had any contact with Bill prior to joining Avalon.

When you say, you were guided to Avalon, to post something for Bill, so he would use his free will to pick up on it, who guided you?

A earth person or Spiritual being?
Excuse my confusion.

Regards
Ace

[norman]

Hello again Inelia,

I have a hard time accepting the idea of multiple timelines, even when Bill tries to explain them.

Can you say what you know about timelines and perhaps say it in a way even I can get my head around?

[Bill Ryan]

Excited to hear more about Inelia's story. I get a good feeling inside from her posts, and attitude. I am eager to see where this goes!

Anyone know when the interview will be published?

Here's the 15 minute trailer. The full interview will be published in the next few weeks.

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4

or

http://sendspace.com/file/c7lmij

Enjoy. :)

Hi Bill, I cannot see the trailer in either link, because I cannot open mp4 file, only mp3, and cannot access the second link either. Is it possible for you to post the trailer and later the full interview in mp3, or as an embedded video file.

Thank you very much,
fifi

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.avi (video)

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp3 (audio)

The AVI video file is twice the size (167 Mb) and the quality is a little reduced - but it should certainly work as an alternative.

[Bill Ryan]

Hello again Inelia,

I have a hard time accepting the idea of multiple timelines, even when Bill tries to explain them.

Can you say what you know about timelines and perhaps say it in a way even I can get my head around?

Do read this, by Whitley Strieber:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170418032801/http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/most-complex-encounter

I've had some recent personal experience with this that's very similar to Whitley's. The multiple timeline phenomenon is totally real, but (like recalling past lives), it's on the other side of a perceptive veil (a kind of firewall) which cloaks and 'separates off' that entire reality.

Inelia and I can share an astonishing and entertaining story - but it needs her consent (and as this is her thread, I'll allow her to tell it if she wants to). :)

[Alexandrian]

Hello again Inelia,

I have a hard time accepting the idea of multiple timelines, even when Bill tries to explain them.

Can you say what you know about timelines and perhaps say it in a way even I can get my head around?

I would like to humbly ask for the attention of the many people following this thread to take a look at a thread I have begun with the Intention of consciously beginning to work on changing the timeline - I hope this is not presumptuous of me - but I have been moved - in the run up to the Inelia / Bill seminar to go ahead and get to work.

The threads title is Timeline Shifting - Co-Creation - Practical Application and here's the link (i think?)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19367-Timeline-Shifting-Co-Creation-Practical...

[Bill Ryan]

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Re eating meat, here are the very interesting comments of the Ninja Nun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12082-A-message-from-a-Nun-about-the-Charles-material) - reposted here with her permission:






Hi Bill,
Interesting comments re: eating meat. I tried once to be a vegetarian and abstain from eating meat but found it left my body weakened. After having "a word" with Source about this, I was instructed that I was a "frequency modulator" and that many of us are.

The very act of eating meat, (despite its' lowered frequency,) and transforming it to a higher frequency through consciously offering it continual blessing through intent, invites the lower frequency to change and become a high frequency energy wave as it was absorbed and becomes part of us. The importance of blessing our food both at harvest and as we eat it, is part of the frequency modulation process. Gratitude is an indestructible light filament, connecting us with The Source and strengthens the bond we share with all life.

Harboring gratitude within our heart-space and "running" the attitude continuously throughout our being is like praying without ceasing and a powerful frequency modulation technique. Whenever we find ourselves distracted from that focus through fear, worry, doubt and the like, we can simply choose to generate the gratitude from the heart-space outward and turn the frequency up. Of course, the more of us committed to this just increases the amplitude. Choose to be a blessing, let it flow!

The frequency modulation is something that aware and awake beings can use to counter the huge attempt at fear production that is going on at this time world wide. Those of us who know we are powerful frequency modulator are targets for dis-info and distraction.

This is why alternative media is a target. We can be a powerful force for the PTB if we fall for their lies. Discernment is key. There is nothing to fear. If they kill us we will be even more powerful than we are now. All is well in our world as we walk in blessing and gratitude. We will prevail. Continued Blessings, Bill. All you do matters for the greater good, Sr._

[toothpick]

Inelia hi , its a great thread. good questons, good answers.
While watching your video i got this, don,t worry about me, worry about yourself, vibe, inexlicable.
I do have a question, please.
How do i help my family wake the heck up and gently throw them down the rabbit hole.
They do have to figuire it out for themselves after all, yes.
Seriously though, I do not want to leave my loved ones behind with no help or guidance.
I love them all but they are sheeple. Im supposed to be head of the family,
but not one of them will even hear me out. I have to just walk away or I,ll get upset for sure.
Alot of people are suffering the same sheeple syndrom out here. They, we, need help.
Inelia is there any way you know of to ease these people onto thier journey.
Lots of vibratons,
(edit) I,m glad i don,t have to feel bad about wearing leather or eating meat.
toothpick

[Dragonfly]

Hello Inelia

In my blurred memory - so please correct me if I'm wrong - I remember you saying that the names "Avalon" and "Bill" were given to you.
I might have missed that point, probably you explained it somewhere and I'm not able to find the information...
Would you mind to elaborate again? Who gave you these names?

Kind regards,
Dragonfly

[Alexandrian]

Hi Inelia,

As I see that you have noted - I started the thread "Timeline Shifting - Co-Creation - Practical Action" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19367-Timeline-Shifting-Co-Creation-Practical

as a place to state intentions and discuss the practice of timeline shifting and to enable this forum as a place where WE ACTUALLY PRACTICE IT.

So with this in mind I stated the following:

I WILL that the weather manipulation be brought to light, the perpetrators be discovered, so that justice and balance may be restored to the universe

I have learned from other sources about intentionality that stating/feeling/experiencing/willing that something ALREADY IS is the correct way to do it.

So therefore My Question is:

Is it more effective to state intention in the following way or does it not matter?:

Weather Manipulation IS brought to light, The Perpetrators ARE discovered, Justice and Balance ARE restored to the Universe

thx

Alexandrian

[Anna]

Ha Inelia,

Thank you for being here and on this forum.
Today I watched your trailer interview and felt I could relax.
Since the Charles/Atticus threads I also felt worry for Bill; out on his own, in the open, in front of this big crowd.
And your presence is a relief in this respect with good feelings.
Welcome to this inspiring group of people,

hug from Anna

[perfectresonance]

I do have a question, please.
How do i help my family wake the heck up and gently throw them down the rabbit hole.
They do have to figuire it out for themselves after all, yes.
Seriously though, I do not want to leave my loved ones behind with no help or guidance.
I love them all but they are sheeple. Im supposed to be head of the family,
but not one of them will even hear me out. I have to just walk away or I,ll get upset for sure.


I love my wife very, very much. She is a very good and nice person, a wonderful mum, the best friend I have ever had.

But this, here, is "the weird stuff" I am into.

She is so intelligent, yet she can not see.

I've noticed that when I told her things in the past, she would either be bemused or freaked out. Now, she listens out of love, but it bounces off - she's not interested.

So I have given up that way.

Instead, I am in the process of living the Change to the best of my current ability.

I've decided to get to a point where people ask me "Hey, you look so much better, and you are happy all the time. You seem to have your **** together, how do you do that?".

Don't get angry. Don't get frustrated.

:music: Love is all you need :music: (dum dee dum dee duuuum)

sTF_wJW7N4g

[Inelia]

Hi Ineila.

Had you not had any contact with Bill prior to joining Avalon.

When you say, you were guided to Avalon, to post something for Bill, so he would use his free will to pick up on it, who guided you?

A earth person or Spiritual being?
Excuse my confusion.

Regards
Ace


Hello Inelia

In my blurred memory - so please correct me if I'm wrong - I remember you saying that the names "Avalon" and "Bill" were given to you.
I might have missed that point, probably you explained it somewhere and I'm not able to find the information...
Would you mind to elaborate again? Who gave you these names?

Kind regards,
Dragonfly

This is a question that is covered in the full interview, and a very important one too.

Information comes to me in various forms, depending on assignment (target). With regard Bill, the names came "telepathically" when I woke up.

Where did they come from? Very good question. I work with an entourage, this is what I call guides and higher self, divine source, our selves from different timelines and future, as well as people on the planet who are also in the same "job".
A very good question that pops up when we work with these beings, or even people we work with in our environment, is "are they really working for the light, or are they wolves in sheep's clothing?" And this is where personal discernment comes in.

Some individuals will feel that a person is being used and manipulated by the darkside by that being from the darkside masquerading as a light being. And this is when one of the rules of life comes in. We can ask the person/being, if their intentions are benevolent and of the "light", at this point, even if they try to lie, the truth will be revealed.

It is also very important to develop a strong sense of vibrational discernment of "truth/lie", and this is where our physical and subtle bodies come in. One can start this by doing simple exercises, like: think of a truth, then think of a lie, see how it feels in one's body.

Another simple rule is: if they are telling you to harm yourself or others... then it's a dark being talking in your ear.


Hi Inelia,

As I see that you have noted - I started the thread "Timeline Shifting - Co-Creation - Practical Action" http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19367-Timeline-Shifting-Co-Creation-Practical

as a place to state intentions and discuss the practice of timeline shifting and to enable this forum as a place where WE ACTUALLY PRACTICE IT.

So with this in mind I stated the following:

I WILL that the weather manipulation be brought to light, the perpetrators be discovered, so that justice and balance may be restored to the universe

I have learned from other sources about intentionality that stating/feeling/experiencing/willing that something ALREADY IS is the correct way to do it.

So therefore My Question is:

Is it more effective to state intention in the following way or does it not matter?:

Weather Manipulation IS brought to light, The Perpetrators ARE discovered, Justice and Balance ARE restored to the Universe

thx

Alexandrian

The second form resonates more with me.

[Bill Ryan]

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A note about verbally formed affirmations / postulates / intentions / requests.

If anyone says "I'm going to be a millionaire" or "I'm going to be totally healthy" (for instance) - then it always hangs in the future: it's always 'tomorrow'.

And so it never manifests, because the 'tomorrow' is always there - just out of reach.

That's why anyone who says (no matter how strongly and sincerely) "I'm going to stop smoking" never does. Because it's never now - which is the only time that counts.

Health, prosperity, love, forgiveness, solution and resolution are always now.

[ace]

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A note about verbally formed affirmations / postulates / intentions / requests.

If anyone says "I'm going to be a millionaire" or "I'm going to be totally healthy" (for instance) - then it always hangs in the future: it's always 'tomorrow'.

And so it never manifests, because the 'tomorrow' is always there - just out of reach.

That's why anyone who says (no matter how strongly and sincerely) "I'm going to stop smoking" never does. Because it's never now - which is the only time that counts.

Health, prosperity, love, forgiveness, solution and resolution are always now.

Now...............
Am off to the land of nod

Have fun every body

Buenas noches. Sé fuerte, sé fuerte, sé feliz
Ace

[ulli]

These are affirmations that have helped me in the past and still do.
A matter of remembering....

Everything is perfect when you think it's perfect.

It's all good.

[sheddie]

And another one ....................EWOP..............Everything is Working Out Perfectly

x

[Inelia]

Hi Ineila.

Had you not had any contact with Bill prior to joining Avalon.

When you say, you were guided to Avalon, to post something for Bill, so he would use his free will to pick up on it, who guided you?

A earth person or Spiritual being?
Excuse my confusion.

Regards
Ace

Correct. I had not had any contact with Bill before January 1st, when he came into my awareness.

The message came from a spiritual member of my entourage.

[Donna O]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

[Donna O]

Sorry, just one other thing. You were in the Scientology organization by all accounts, was this the cos or an offshoot. Just trying to clarify a few things here

[Inelia]

Sorry, just one other thing. You were in the Scientology organization by all accounts, was this the SOC or an offshoot. Just trying to clarify a few things here

hi leelah,

Yes, I was at the Cof$ as a staff member in Plymouth UK... quite an interesting experience! After I left, I was involved in getting people out, as well as rehabilitating those who had left but were still in fear. You can read a summary here: http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I was there for about a year. At the time I was exploring how they managed to get such a hold on people. It is very, very interesting. On the one hand, the people on the ground floor at their Orgs are very much lightworkers. They want to make a difference, save the world. But scrape the surface and it's all about control and the transporting of moneys to the higher echelons of the so called Church. They exploit the staff in ways which are inhumane, really bad, even young kids.

That organization has become a lightworker and lightwarrior trap. They grab them when they are waking up and enslave them big time.

I found (as many have) that Hubbard's techniques work, and to a certain degree are very effective, but they are misapplied by almost all in the Cof$ either deliberately or because the members are unaware of what they are doing. It is a cult. The year was 'interesting'.

[Inelia]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

[K626]

I do have a question, please.
How do i help my family wake the heck up and gently throw them down the rabbit hole.
They do have to figuire it out for themselves after all, yes.
Seriously though, I do not want to leave my loved ones behind with no help or guidance.
I love them all but they are sheeple. Im supposed to be head of the family,
but not one of them will even hear me out. I have to just walk away or I,ll get upset for sure.


I love my wife very, very much. She is a very good and nice person, a wonderful mum, the best friend I have ever had.

But this, here, is "the weird stuff" I am into.

She is so intelligent, yet she can not see.

I've noticed that when I told her things in the past, she would either be bemused or freaked out. Now, she listens out of love, but it bounces off - she's not interested.

So I have given up that way.

Instead, I am in the process of living the Change to the best of my current ability.

I've decided to get to a point where people ask me "Hey, you look so much better, and you are happy all the time. You seem to have your **** together, how do you do that?".

Don't get angry. Don't get frustrated.

:music: Love is all you need :music: (dum dee dum dee duuuum)

sTF_wJW7N4g

Hi P

You have to keep at it, because as you well know a persons world view is very ingrained and from childhood. So you are up against a fair few layers of programming and belief system. But I'd suggest keep at it but in subtler ways, a time may come when you will need her and a moments doubt could be costly. My girlfriend is the same, but she has taken on board the bits that she likes, which is a start...;)


Peace

K

[Donna O]

Thank you Inelia. The information I have asked you has been released tonight as some kind of expose against you (I'm sure you know who) And I thought it better to bring it out into the open rather than to let it continue to be whispered around. Hope you don't mind :)

[Inelia]

Thank you Inelia. The information I have asked you has been released tonight as some kind of disclosure against you (I'm sure you know who) And I thought it better to bring it out into the open rather than to let it continue to be whispered around. Hope you don't mind :)

LOL that is hilarious. Thanks leelah! My involvement is public knowledge, I did not make a secret of my real name in any of my dealings with the Cof$.

[K626]

Hi Inelia,

Is it safe to say you are still investigating the layers of your persona?

Peace

K

[Bill Ryan]

Thank you Inelia. The information I have asked you has been released tonight as some kind of disclosure against you (I'm sure you know who) And I thought it better to bring it out into the open rather than to let it continue to be whispered around. Hope you don't mind :)

Yes - and you don't have to look very far to see the intention! :)

I too have been in Scientology, but never in the Church. (I'm honored to be on their famous Enemies List (http://projectcamelot.org/the_scientology_enemies_list.rtf)).

I also did Werner Erhard's est Training (http://www.wernererhard.com/est.html) in 1984 - a terrific experience. My girlfriend at the time was on est staff, and worked closely with Werner's family.

I became interested in Scientology when I discovered where Werner got all his techniques from. Werner was taken down by the Church of Scientology in 1990 in a well-orchestrated sting operation against him. He left his organization - then called Landmark Education - for others to run - and continued to act as a consultant backchannel. He is one person I would very, very, very much love to meet and interview.

[Inelia]

Hi Inelia,

Is it safe to say you are still investigating the layers of your persona?

Peace

K

Well, "persona" means (according to the web dictionary) "an actor's portrayal of someone in a play". In that sense, I don't play a character really, nor do I investigate that character's role. I am simply myself. However, I am still investigating my "humanity". A big part of my life has been exploring things such as why suffering exists and what for, how can fear be removed, and when it is healthy, what belongs to the body, the subtle bodies or the "big being (self)", why people have the need to have a significant other, how come tptb get away with implanting programs and physical implants on highly psychic individuals to stop them doing powerful stuff - and how can these be removed... things like that.

[Sync]

Dear Inelia,

I am extremely grateful you are speaking your truth as it has tremendously resonated with me.

Your outlook is what the world needs. I believe there are many more of your kind.

I was curious if you could speak about your process of “coming out” to the world of Avalon, which spans the globe.

The energetics associated with a rapid transition into a higher public profile feel tremendous and involve multiple domains.

I can sense many positive aspects that some people may experience, such as having a forum to benefit others by sharing experiences, the reinforcing of a collectivist social support group, and helping the wayward seeker who stumbles upon this data.

Conversely, I have seen others that “come out” experience negative aspects, such as increased time in front of an EMF emitting box, quicker recognition in astral recon by negs, heightened visibility to beings that intrude on lightworkers by exploiting ego, the public’s Messiah complex, as well as a host of other considerations.

What were some of your experiences?

What was one aspect of “coming out” (on Avalon) that was cause for pause?

Do you feel that you have a bigger effect on our timeline now or when you were behind the scenes?

How are the two different? How are they the same?

Perhaps if you could share some salient aspects of your process, others may follow and share their truth; regardless of the possible associated risks to themselves and the general populace.

Sincerely,

Sync

[Anchor]

An intuitive person touched my car once and pulled back shouting "oh my god, it's alive!" :)
This same car refused to start one day, we tried "jumping" it for about an hour, then, as soon as I decided I was not traveling (I had a long drive scheduled), it just started. As I was climbing out, someone pointed out to me that one of the back wheels had about half the air as the rest. Something I would not have noticed myself.

Your car was looking after you!

It reminds me of something that happened to me. I was walking with my wife, we had just left the flat to walk to the shops and going through the carpark and I heard a car about 30m behind being cranked and cranked and it wasn't going to start. I felt a bit bad for the driver - who I sensed was on the way somewhere important.

In my mind I was kind of led to think about the car and said "come on little car, your owner needs you to work today" and I envisaged the engine cranking over and starting... and immediately it fired into life.

My wife immediately turned to me and said "was that you?"

I think I was being helped in the process as a kind of teaching thing. It was about 12 years before I really started to realize what was going on.

[Kano]

Hi Inelia,

Thanks.

[Roseheart]

Hi Inelia thanks so much for answering the questions here.

I know it's true for me and many others here that we struggle with those around us that can't see the truth... This gets very tricky with family and close friends and can be lonely and frustrating.
I've come to the understanding that at this time it's all about vibration more than what is said a lot of the time...?
Are some of us here more to hold a particular frequency than to 'spread the word'?
I am moving to the country next year but I worry I won't be 'doing enough' while I'm there to help....

Blessings to you x

[K626]

Hi Inelia,

Is it safe to say you are still investigating the layers of your persona?

Peace

K

Well, "persona" means (according to the web dictionary) "an actor's portrayal of someone in a play". In that sense, I don't play a character really, nor do I investigate that character's role. I am simply myself. However, I am still investigating my "humanity". A big part of my life has been exploring things such as why suffering exists and what for, how can fear be removed, and when it is healthy, what belongs to the body, the subtle bodies or the "big being (self)", why people have the need to have a significant other, how come tptb get away with implanting programs and physical implants on highly psychic individuals to stop them doing powerful stuff - and how can these be removed... things like that.

Very thoughtful and clear ans thanks.

A rejoinder however would be to ask how you are sure WHO the core self is (yourself) without identifying its various facets (ie personas).

I know you are aware that you aren't BORN YOU....It is a point one arrives at over time.

Thanks in advance.

K

[fifi]

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.avi (video)

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp3 (audio)

The AVI video file is twice the size (167 Mb) and the quality is a little reduced - but it should certainly work as an alternative.

Thank you so much, Bill. I am able to listen to the trailer now, and eagerly wait for the full interview. Next week is May already.

[Mike]

hi Bill,

what do i have to do to get on that esteemed Scientology enemies list? i feel so left out! lol!

[Teakai]

A good prayer before eating a meat meal is similar to that of Dr Masaru Emoto's prayer for polluted water (the principle is very similar indeed):

I am sorry to have made you suffer. Please forgive me. I thank you. I love you.

This works for all animal products. It's not a ritual, of course. One has to mean it sincerely.



If one meant it sincerely, Bill - then how many times would one do it given the choice of other food products to nourish them?

Just sayin'.

Mind is the master of the ship - whose steering it?

I haven't watched the trailer yet - it's still downloading - but I was going through the comments and felt inspired to comment on this part :)

[Anchor]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Inelia, this is very interesting and raises a question in my mind. It is a little complex and to ask it I need to define what I am meaning by certain terms because otherwise the question wont work!

Avatar: someone who has no need to incarnate but takes a body (even to the extent of manufacturing one! Perhaps a "mayavarupa" body) to provide a service - this would be at the very high end of the spiritual spectrum I guess etc - these people are masters of time and space and everything is possible for them (subject to freewill rules).

Overshadowing: A technique by which one person is working intimately with another for the same body, one being a high vibrational being and the other being an exceptionally high vibrational being. The higher overshadows the lower under complete freewill. As an example Jesus of Nazereth overshadowed by the Christ Principle that evolved on this planet and thus becoming Jesus the Christ for his ministry that was somewhat documented in the Bible. Jesus was conscious of it, but he was moving with the will of the Christ principle. I have seen the term overshadowing used to describe this. So in this overshadowing Jesus remains an independent entity is working with the higher principle directly and they both use the same body.

In the question to follow the terms walk-in and wanderer are meant in the Carla Reukert and LLResearch sense of the terms. As I understand it Walk-ins enter a body sometime after it has been born and it is by agreement of the original occupying soul which leaves. I think Wanderers means people from other extra-planetary soul groups that are not really needing to incarnate here, but as "brothers and sisters of sorrow" do so to increase their own experience and lend a hand with their higher than average vibrations (as they are usually from very high densities of expression).

Inelia, would you mind clarifying something, in the terms given above are you overshadowed, an avatar, walk-in, a wanderer or none of these things (please elaborate if this is true!)

John..

[sheddie]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Thank you for answering all these questions Inelia

I am a little confused as to the difference between a body 'intelligence' and yourself now being 'new to this earth'........

Can you explain in more detail please as it is very confusing and can lead to confusion.

Many thanks

[Wiremu2011]

A good prayer before eating a meat meal is similar to that of Dr Masaru Emoto's prayer for polluted water (the principle is very similar indeed):

I am sorry to have made you suffer. Please forgive me. I thank you. I love you.

This works for all animal products. It's not a ritual, of course. One has to mean it sincerely.





If one meant it sincerely, Bill - then how many times would one do it given the choice of other food products to nourish them?

Just sayin'.

Mind is the master of the ship - whose steering it?

I haven't watched the trailer yet - it's still downloading - but I was going through the comments and felt inspired to comment on this part :)

It never really occurred to me, but there was something about that scene in the Avatar movie that struck a chord with me, when the animal laid down to be sacrificed for food, by the the main character (whoever he was!). Before killing it knelt down before it and thanked the animal with gratitude. It was something like an understanding of mutual agreement in which both were reciprocating each others need in the bigger picture. When I read Bill's statement above it was the first thing I thought of and thought yeah, there could be some real validity in this than never occurred to me before... Interesting indeed.

[Teakai]

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Re eating meat, here are the very interesting comments of the Ninja Nun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12082-A-message-from-a-Nun-about-the-Charles-material) - reposted here with her permission:





Hi Bill,
Interesting comments re: eating meat. I tried once to be a vegetarian and abstain from eating meat but found it left my body weakened. After having "a word" with Source about this, I was instructed that I was a "frequency modulator" and that many of us are.

The very act of eating meat, (despite its' lowered frequency,) and transforming it to a higher frequency through consciously offering it continual blessing through intent, invites the lower frequency to change and become a high frequency energy wave as it was absorbed and becomes part of us. The importance of blessing our food both at harvest and as we eat it, is part of the frequency modulation process. Gratitude is an indestructible light filament, connecting us with The Source and strengthens the bond we share with all life.

Harboring gratitude within our heart-space and "running" the attitude continuously throughout our being is like praying without ceasing and a powerful frequency modulation technique. Whenever we find ourselves distracted from that focus through fear, worry, doubt and the like, we can simply choose to generate the gratitude from the heart-space outward and turn the frequency up. Of course, the more of us committed to this just increases the amplitude. Choose to be a blessing, let it flow!

The frequency modulation is something that aware and awake beings can use to counter the huge attempt at fear production that is going on at this time world wide. Those of us who know we are powerful frequency modulator are targets for dis-info and distraction.

This is why alternative media is a target. We can be a powerful force for the PTB if we fall for their lies. Discernment is key. There is nothing to fear. If they kill us we will be even more powerful than we are now. All is well in our world as we walk in blessing and gratitude. We will prevail. Continued Blessings, Bill. All you do matters for the greater good, Sr._


Taking a life in order to satisfy a need that may be satisfied by not taking a life - where's the love? I mean really, where's the love? There's protein in food other than meat. We are not deficient in our food choices.
Look at body builders who only eat vegies.

I'm all for people making their own choices, and I'm not making any kind of judgment here, rather I'm pointing out an observation, but if it's contradictory to love, then it's contradictory to love - the highest frequency.

One may justify it in all manner of ways, but I fail to see where the love is. That may be my own shortsightedness and if someone could explain it, I'd be interested to hear it.

Also - just watched the interview and am looking forward to seeing the whole thing.

[Teakai]

It never really occurred to me, but there was something about that scene in the Avatar movie that struck a chord with me, when the animal laid down to be sacrificed for food, by the the main character (whoever he was!). Before killing it knelt down before it and thanked the animal with gratitude. It was something like an understanding of mutual agreement in which both were reciprocating each others need in the bigger picture. When I read Bill's statement above it was the first thing I thought of and thought yeah, there could be some real validity in this than never occurred to me before... Interesting indeed.

I thought of that, too, Wiremu.
'They' wish us to eat meat to keep us vibrating at a lower frequency. I see that scene as subliminal. Keep eating meat - it's OK to eat meat, eat the meat eat the meat eat the meat.

We have permission to eat the meat if we bless it. But, where's the love? I see none.

I'm sorry, I keep responding to off topic stuff. I'm trying to think of a question for Inelia, but haven't come up with one just yet.

[thunder24]

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Re eating meat, here are the very interesting comments of the Ninja Nun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12082-A-message-from-a-Nun-about-the-Charles-material) - reposted here with her permission:





Hi Bill,
Interesting comments re: eating meat. I tried once to be a vegetarian and abstain from eating meat but found it left my body weakened. After having "a word" with Source about this, I was instructed that I was a "frequency modulator" and that many of us are.

The very act of eating meat, (despite its' lowered frequency,) and transforming it to a higher frequency through consciously offering it continual blessing through intent, invites the lower frequency to change and become a high frequency energy wave as it was absorbed and becomes part of us. The importance of blessing our food both at harvest and as we eat it, is part of the frequency modulation process. Gratitude is an indestructible light filament, connecting us with The Source and strengthens the bond we share with all life.

Harboring gratitude within our heart-space and "running" the attitude continuously throughout our being is like praying without ceasing and a powerful frequency modulation technique. Whenever we find ourselves distracted from that focus through fear, worry, doubt and the like, we can simply choose to generate the gratitude from the heart-space outward and turn the frequency up. Of course, the more of us committed to this just increases the amplitude. Choose to be a blessing, let it flow!

The frequency modulation is something that aware and awake beings can use to counter the huge attempt at fear production that is going on at this time world wide. Those of us who know we are powerful frequency modulator are targets for dis-info and distraction.

This is why alternative media is a target. We can be a powerful force for the PTB if we fall for their lies. Discernment is key. There is nothing to fear. If they kill us we will be even more powerful than we are now. All is well in our world as we walk in blessing and gratitude. We will prevail. Continued Blessings, Bill. All you do matters for the greater good, Sr._


Taking a life in order to satisfy a need that may be satisfied by not taking a life - where's the love? I mean really, where's the love? There's protein in food other than meat. We are not deficient in our food choices.
Look at body builders who only eat vegies.

I'm all for people making their own choices, and I'm not making any kind of judgment here, rather I'm pointing out an observation, but if it's contradictory to love, then it's contradictory to love - the highest frequency.

One may justify it in all manner of ways, but I fail to see where the love is. That may be my own shortsightedness and if someone could explain it, I'd be interested to hear it.

Also - just watched the interview and am looking forward to seeing the whole thing.

have you ever noticed that when you breath, you are taking in microorganisms and atoms and molecules all concious?
peace

[Teakai]

have you ever noticed that when you breath, you are taking in microorganisms and atoms and molecules all concious?
peace

Of course, Thunder. But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.
One we can make a conscious choice about - the other we can't.

[thunder24]

Its just a question, but since you don't see the connection I ask another : are plants conscious?
peace:bowl:

[Teakai]

Dear Bill,
Great job on providing a concise and very clear explanation to a quite complicated and complex topic.
One thing I might add is that the joy, love and 'state of mind" of the cook can have a strong impact as well. Compare a home cooked meal or one from a small family run restaurant to other options. In the right environment of gratitude and appreciation, some plants and/or animals are fulfuilled by providing sustanence to a "higher" life form.
Much Love,
T.

What do you mean by higher. Tantauri?

Just to notch it down a bit - would you be happy to be used as energy for the satisfaction/needs/desires of the 'ptw' - so long as they kept you happy enough?

Henry Kissinger and his ilk view us as cattle - would you be happy to be his food source?

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Its just a question, but since you don't see the connection I ask another : are plants conscious?
peace:bowl:

I don't know if plants are conscious, Thunder. I know they have energy because everything is energy.

Are you able to explain to me the connection between choosing to eat meat and breathing in microscopic bugs?

[dmarie]

One aspect of poor quality food is food that contains a residue (like a kind of spiritual echo, or accompanying shadow) of suffering. That is the case with many animal products.

This can be minimized by 'blessing' (healing) the food before it is eaten. One does not necessarily have to abstain.

A good prayer before eating a meat meal is similar to that of Dr Masaru Emoto's prayer for polluted water (the principle is very similar indeed):

I am sorry to have made you suffer. Please forgive me. I thank you. I love you.

This works for all animal products. It's not a ritual, of course. One has to mean it sincerely.

The physical components of meat can be valuable for the body in physical terms - like repairing a car with components made of high quality steel. But the spiritual component of meat can be upsetting to the body intelligence.

Some bodies will not mind this at all. Others may be highly sensitive.

In my opinion, eating meat is not connected at all with 'ascension' (which Inelia uses as an encompassing term for I call the wholesale raising of consciousness) - unless it interferes with the body's operation and 'body's mental health', which in turn affects you or me as the 'driver'.

And it can affect the driver, in this way, as surely as if you had food poisoning. One can't easily 'ascend' (or readily expand one's consciousness) if one is very sick, either.

:clap2: Thank you! I thoroughly agree!

Though, it may be difficult for someone who believes that meat is bad for them or will even hinder "ascension" to then turn around and eat meat with saying a prayer.....for too many the belief is too ingrained in their being to allow for this the prayer to have any real influence over their belief which will override any affects.

However, those who have been wondering “should I eat meat” can now look at in different way and truly change the way they eat. :)

[thunder24]

yes I can. Either way you are takeing a life to live. weather it is eating, breathing, or drinking...imo.
peace

[Teakai]

yes I can. Either way you are takeing a life to live. weather it is eating, breathing, or drinking...imo.
peace

Breathing in natural microscopic bugs is a natural process. One we have no control over unless we take unnatural measures. Breathing in those bugs may have its own purpose. They may even be the natural way to nourish ourselves in regard to breathanariansm, perhaps. (no idea, just throwing that out there.)

Eating meat on the other hand is making the conscious choice to kill another living being and to eat it's flesh, because we want to. It's not because we can't get by not killing it, but because we like the way it tastes.

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Inelia, I am going to wait for the full interview to see if I have any questions. Looking forward to hearing it :)

[perfectresonance]

Its just a question, but since you don't see the connection I ask another : are plants conscious?
peace:bowl:

There seems to be enough evidence (http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/philosophy/Personnel/susan/LucyRhiannonRuth/CB%20ground%20breaking.html) to say so, yes.

I certainly acknowledge the elders of the forest wherever I go, by talking and touching and thanking them for my safe passage.

How to deal with mowing the lawn, I haven't figured out. Cattle eat grass, so...

I need my own live-in Guru for questions such as these ;)

[thunder24]

Its just a question, but since you don't see the connection I ask another : are plants conscious?
peace:bowl:

There seems to be enough evidence (http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/philosophy/Personnel/susan/LucyRhiannonRuth/CB%20ground%20breaking.html)
I need my own live-in Guru for questions such as these ;)

I feel ya
peace

[Inelia]

Inelia, do you have any past life experiences or did I hear you say you were new to this earth?

My body "intelligence" most certainly has had previous lifetimes on this planet. As to myself, no I have not. For example, I'd done quite a few lifetime regressions, and it took quite a bit of discernment to learn what was my own body's and what belonged to the persons around me. I will often speak about a previous lifetime when dealing with Body memories, as, in a very powerful way, they are part of my present make up.

Thank you for answering all these questions Inelia

I am a little confused as to the difference between a body 'intelligence' and yourself now being 'new to this earth'........

Can you explain in more detail please as it is very confusing and can lead to confusion.

Many thanks

Bill touched a little on this on his previous post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206183&viewfull=1#post206183
I agree with his summary completely.

As an example, sometimes the body "we" react in a very strange way, illogical way. Feeling sad or fear at something which is not really that fearful... like spiders. And, at that moment, we can ask "is this fear mine?", if the answer is "yes" then we do some sort of process to see where that fear came from. If the answer is "no", we ask, "is it my body's?" if the answer is yes we acknowledge the body, give it a big calming energy "hug", and process the fear with it. If it is "no" we look see if it's an implant and/or find the external source.

This will start the journey of discovering about our physical and subtle bodies. It also works with the emotional body, the mind and the ego... great stuff.

[jcocks]

It is true that my physical body is as vulnerable as anyone else's. However, if they did take my body out, I would simply come back in an instant (unless the job was finished, in which case, I would not). It is actually beneficial to those who track people like me to know where I am and what I am up to, that gives them a sense of "control". If they killed my body, they would have to find me again, among billions of people ;)

I personally have conquered my fear of death. If they want to kill me, then so be it, but I will stand tall and fearlesss to them. Also, I *KNOW* I am being watched and protected - I've had proof. I was attacked in a park a little less than a year ago and came away with hardly a scratch - I was punched once and I didn't even get so much as a bruise, although I'm certain the punch connected. Another two kids who were walking through the park and attacked at the same time as me came off a lot worse with serious injury.

On another note, I was wondering if I could ask you a question inelia? Do you know of a universe known as "the golden universe"? I was given information in a dream that I came from there.....

I know I'm here for a reason, but I'm not entirely sure what it exactly is. It would be nice if I was already fulfilling me purpose for being here, but I think there's a little time left before my work starts in earnest :) In any case, I'm enjoying the ride. :D

[Nate]

Hi Inelia,

Please thank the spiritual member of your entourage for pointing you our way. It is proving to be a wonderful benediction.

Any insight you may be able to provide to these questions will be appreciated.

For some people their ascension/raising of awareness comes on very quickly and is very powerful. New abilities are suddenly discovered and blissful, strange and unexplainable things start happening to them. It can be difficult for the individual to rationalize and explain what is happening (since they were not born with such exquisite gifts or slowly discovered them), and very easily the ego can come along the ride and ultimately attract negative energies that can cause someone to "fall from heaven" quite abruptly and hit the ground hard.

1. Are there any techniques you can share with us on how to avoid the ego making us think we are a powerful God-like being deserving to be King or Queen of others simply because there are divine whispers in our head(so clear it sounds like our own thoughts), and have abilities that are impossible to truly explain in words? (I tried to make this sentence shorter, I did!)

2. If we have raised our level of awareness to a great height only to come crashing down due to ego/stress/broken hearts/etc, and have done it twice before... Is the third time truly a charm? :third:

The higher our level of awareness gets, the bigger target we seem to become to negative energies. Maybe it's just me, but I doubt it.

3. If you have had to deal with such things before, I'm hoping you can give us some advice on how to remain in higher states as we grow spiritually, avoiding the demons. Or is the process of ascending/falling/ascending a necessary evil to grow quicker? Spiral in/Spiral out.

Thank you for your subsistence.

[dmarie]

Here's the 15 minute trailer. The full interview will be published in the next few weeks.

http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4

Enjoy. :)

Thank you!

Beautiful! I'm extremely excited to view the full interview in the near future!

Both of you shine brightly. :love:

I was directed to this board at the right time...as if there is any other time. :wink:

[Wiremu2011]

Folks .. I just need to reiterate ... I am very uncomfortable when people with exceptional abilities that are doing good come to the forefront ... Inelia isn't invincible in the physical realm .. we need to keep these people's identities guarded ... not draw attention to them ... so that they can continue to do their good work and hopefully teach/guide/help others.

Create an Avalon inner-circle (greater than the mod team)?

Food for thought - Mr X, Mallove, JFK, Colby, Kelly + Deacon, McKinnon, Humble, Peterson ...

It is true that my physical body is as vulnerable as anyone else's. However, if they did take my body out, I would simply come back in an instant (unless the job was finished, in which case, I would not). It is actually beneficial to those who track people like me to know where I am and what I am up to, that gives them a sense of "control". If they killed my body, they would have to find me again, among billions of people ;)

Wow, wow, wow. What a statement Inelia. The more I'm discovering about you, the more I'm feeling priviledged to be here at this time, to hear your upcoming "message". I don't usually get fuzzy and googey when the 'next big thing' rocks up on the scene, but there's something uncanny and different about your persona/spirit that's exciting and seperates you from the rest of the pack.

Just a quick question if I may: I'm sensing that you're a possible catylst to the next level of awakening and that you've been specifically directed to this forum for reasons that may or may not be obvious to those who reside here.
Would that be true in your case? And are there others like yourself placed in other locations with a similar agenda if I may call it an agenda? Thank you :)

[Inelia]

<snip>

1. Are there any techniques you can share with us on how to avoid the ego making us think we are a powerful God-like being deserving to be King or Queen of others simply because there are divine whispers in our head(so clear it sounds like our own thoughts), and have abilities that are impossible to truly explain in words? (I tried to make this sentence shorter, I did!)

This is something that happens to a lot of people. What happens basically is that the person becomes enlightened, and the light is so bright, they become blinded by it. Eventually, they realise that it is the divine light and that everyone on the planet has it. Then they might fall into thinking they are special because they have access to it and others don't.

And here is the key word: special. Also: important (the need to be important), the need to be special, the need to be a chosen one, the need to be validated, admired and loved.

When we move into new situations, or a new level of awareness, one thing we can do is ask ourselves, "does this make me feel special? important? the chosen one? recognised? validated? admired? loved?

And another thing we can do is to ask ourselves, "do I think I did that with my powers?" if the answer is "yes", then we are in trouble. It is a paradox really, but when we reach a certain level of awareness, we KNOW it's not "us" doing the magic. And don't take credit for it. Yes, we do have a part to play, we have had a learning journey on the planet to be able to handle these energies, we've put the time and work on getting informed, and trained our bodies. But, the wisdom and energy does come from the divine source. If we try to use our own, then it's ego, need, or ignorance.


2. If we have raised our level of awareness to a great height only to come crashing down due to ego/stress/broken hearts/etc, and have done it twice before... Is the third time truly a charm? :third:

The higher our level of awareness gets, the bigger target we seem to become to negative energies. Maybe it's just me, but I doubt it.

Third time a charm? well, only if you are vigilant :)
Yes, the higher level of awareness, or ability, the bigger the target one becomes. Nothing we can't handle.


3. If you have had to deal with such things before, I'm hoping you can give us some advice on how to remain in higher states as we grow spiritually, avoiding the demons. Or is the process of ascending/falling/ascending a necessary evil to grow quicker? Spiral in/Spiral out.

Thank you for your subsistence.

Stay vigilant, ask the questions and keep humble.

[Inelia]

Wow, wow, wow. What a statement Inelia. The more I'm discovering about you, the more I'm feeling priviledged to be here at this time, to hear your upcoming "message". I don't usually get fuzzy and googey when the 'next big thing' rocks up on the scene but there's something uncanny and different about your persona that's exciting and seperates you from the pack.

Just a quick question if I may: I'm sensing that you're a possible catylst to the next level of awakening and that you've been specifically directed to this forum for reasons that may or may not be obvious to those who reside here.
Would that be true in your case? And are there others like yourself placed in other locations with a similar agenda if I may call it an agenda? Thank you :)

It is true, and there are THOUSANDS [hundreds of thousands] of catalysts on the planet. I am not at all unique. In fact, the only difference between me and the majority of those who are here with the same "job" is that I was asked to go public. Most of us work in the background, silently, quietly and anonymously. Why was I asked to do this and not others? No idea. I have no attachment to it, and if I was asked tomorrow to go back into anonymity, I would do that too.

As to my role in this forum, this forum is a very distinct collective entity. And it is important - which is why so much time and effort has been used by tptb to take it down.

[andrewgreen]

Avalon seems to be evolving since TPTB failed attempt to take it down, losing negative energies and gaining positive ones. Obviously TPTB wont be too happy, do you expect any kind of reaction from them or have they learned their lesson?

[Meadowlark]

Hi Everyone,

These are great questions people are asking, and really valuable answers Inelia has been generous enough to provide.
I just spoke with a friend that was not aware about Inelia’s books, so I just wanted to mention it to anyone here who may not be aware that Inelia has written a number of books available on her website. (http://www.ascension101.com/books.html)

I just finished Interview with an Alien (http://www.ascension101.com/books/38-books-by-inelia-benz.html), and it was excellent! It addresses a number of questions similar to those being asked here as well as covering a number of topics I had not considered. It should be required reading for anyone looking to become “awake and aware!”

It’s not very long-- only about a 115 pages, but it’s well-written without dwelling on extraneous information, like a lot of books. Being a slow reader myself, I really appreciate the efficient use of words. The book is short, but powerful-- just like its author. ;) Just kidding Inelia.

I’ve bought her other books too, but haven’t started reading them yet. Getting these books is great information for ourselves, and also a helpful way we can support the work Inelia is doing for all of us! :)

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

Here is a most remarkable and inspiring story I would like to share. It leaves me speechless.

When Inelia was young she lived in Chile, at the time of Salvador Allende's freely elected socialist government. It was a radical experiment in politics - the first time in the world. Her parents were very close to the government.

One of the friends of the family was MICHAEL WOODWARD, a British Catholic Priest.





http://memoriaviva.com/english/victims/woodward_iribarry_michael.htm
http://guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/09/pinochet-chile-michael-woodward-valpara-so

Woodward was a wonderful man who Inelia knew. He visited the family often. She was 7 years old at the time of the coup.

Soon after the coup (11 September 1973 - this was the 'other' 9/11), Woodward was at Inelia's aunt's house where Inelia was staying. Woodward told Inelia that he knew he was going to die, but that she should not be worried. He then gave Inelia a message to memorize, and asked her to pass it to his family.

Then Woodward went out into the street. There was an army truck coming. He didn't appear to see it. Little Inelia saw it, though, and tried to shout to him. But she was so frightened she could not get the warning out. She was just 7 years old.

The troops jumped out of the truck and clubbed Woodward on the head with a rifle butt. He was knocked to the ground and dragged away. Inelia never saw him again. Later it emerged that he had been tortured terribly before he died, his body completely broken.

That all happened on 13 or 14 September 1973.

27 years later, in the year 2000, Inelia found Woodward's sister, Patricia, in Madrid - and told her the message. Patricia had earlier tried to bring the torturers to justice, but had thus far not been successful.

When Inelia delivered the message from Woodward, this rekindled Patricia's spirit. She continued a major project to bring those men to justice.

I am more impressed by this story than I can put into words. Inelia, aged 7, carried this message for 27 more years, found Michael Woodward's sister, and her intervention then made a real contribution to the process which will bring the torturers to justice.






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Edit to amend one or two minor details above after consultation with Inelia. I'd recounted this from my own recollection of the story she told me personally, which affected me deeply. She didn't know I'd posted this until she read it on this thread herself.

In response to one or two questions raised by others, please note that Inelia's recollection of these events does not correlate with the 'official version', which states that Michael Woodward was arrested at his house. When I asked her about this, she said:










"I cannot account for the different witness accounts of his arrest. I saw him hit and dragged, at which point I ran back into the house. It is possible he was not taken away but just dragged out of the truck's way.

"This is how I remember it. He was a hero. He came to my aunt's house knowing he was in danger, to warn my parents to stay in hiding (my parents were not there at the time), because the army were after them. He put his own life in danger to save others.

"I wouldn't say that it was my intervention that brought these men to justice, not by a long shot. It was Pat and Fred Bennetts' years of work and diligence that did that. All I did was give them a small piece of a very large puzzle. And you might be right, it could have been a turning point for Pat. In fact, she did tell me this at the time.

"Pat and I had a very long conversation about this. Fred was kind enough to entertain my three children while we chatted as the topic was very painful. At the time, she told me that this information, and the message, confirmed that she was doing the right thing, and stated she would not stop until she brought those men to justice.

"This story, and why it was important to me throughout my life, is that I learned a very, very important lesson that day. A lesson which I have not forgotten. That lesson is that I realised that we must NEVER give in to fear. Never.

"I was seven years old, and was too frightened to shout a warning to him down the hill, so he did not see the trucks until it was too late. I have always felt that if I had managed to shout, he might be alive today. This was a big lesson to me.

"Never give in to fear, never break one's own integrity, always do what is right, no matter what the cost or danger."

[Carmody]

Wow, wow, wow. What a statement Inelia. The more I'm discovering about you, the more I'm feeling priviledged to be here at this time, to hear your upcoming "message". I don't usually get fuzzy and googey when the 'next big thing' rocks up on the scene but there's something uncanny and different about your persona that's exciting and seperates you from the pack.

Just a quick question if I may: I'm sensing that you're a possible catylst to the next level of awakening and that you've been specifically directed to this forum for reasons that may or may not be obvious to those who reside here.
Would that be true in your case? And are there others like yourself placed in other locations with a similar agenda if I may call it an agenda? Thank you :)

It is true, and there are THOUSANDS [hundreds of thousands] of catalysts on the planet. I am not at all unique. In fact, the only difference between me and the majority of those who are here with the same "job" is that I was asked to go public. Most of us work in the background, silently, quietly and anonymously. Why was I asked to do this and not others? No idea. I have no attachment to it, and if I was asked tomorrow to go back into anonymity, I would do that too.

As to my role in this forum, this forum is a very distinct collective entity. And it is important - which is why so much time and effort has been used by tptb to take it down.

Yeah. It seems they were pretty PO'd with this one.

I'm only now getting my Kundalini back and the pain from viewing the forum has died down enough so I can comfortably participate again.

I told Charles in a PM that if they took me out, all that would happen is that someone else would pop out of the woodwork, and take my place. And behind that one would be another 50, whatever. That the universe will continue to press on this ---until it gets what it wants.

[bennycog]

Hey Inelia, how many times have you had to go through this process on earth? has it been on other planets too?
By process i mean coming here and awakening the people or raising the vibration, weeding out the wickedly negative.

[DeDukshyn]

Wow, wow, wow. What a statement Inelia. The more I'm discovering about you, the more I'm feeling priviledged to be here at this time, to hear your upcoming "message". I don't usually get fuzzy and googey when the 'next big thing' rocks up on the scene but there's something uncanny and different about your persona that's exciting and seperates you from the pack.

Just a quick question if I may: I'm sensing that you're a possible catylst to the next level of awakening and that you've been specifically directed to this forum for reasons that may or may not be obvious to those who reside here.
Would that be true in your case? And are there others like yourself placed in other locations with a similar agenda if I may call it an agenda? Thank you :)

It is true, and there are THOUSANDS [hundreds of thousands] of catalysts on the planet. I am not at all unique. In fact, the only difference between me and the majority of those who are here with the same "job" is that I was asked to go public. Most of us work in the background, silently, quietly and anonymously. Why was I asked to do this and not others? No idea. I have no attachment to it, and if I was asked tomorrow to go back into anonymity, I would do that too.

As to my role in this forum, this forum is a very distinct collective entity. And it is important - which is why so much time and effort has been used by tptb to take it down.

I think it's obvious why you were made to go public. Enough background work has been done (it's been long and hard) - now's the time ;-)

[dmarie]

Yes, I was at the Cof$ as a staff member in Plymouth UK... quite an interesting experience! After I left, I was involved in getting people out, as well as rehabilitating those who had left but were still in fear. You can read a summary here: http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I was there for about a year. At the time I was exploring how they managed to get such a hold on people. It is very, very interesting. On the one hand, the people on the ground floor at their Orgs are very much lightworkers. They want to make a difference, save the world. But scrape the surface and it's all about control and the transporting of moneys to the higher echelons of the so called Church. They exploit the staff in ways which are inhumane, really bad, even young kids.

That organization has become a lightworker and lightwarrior trap. They grab them when they are waking up and enslave them big time.

Hi Inelia,

Can you go into how they are/become trapped? Is that information in the link above?

When Bill had mentioned this particular group (I believe it was in a video or perhaps here in a post) I began to put some pieces together (questions I had...soul level feelings I was receiving) about another group that I felt/feel is doing the same thing. Anyway, that is the reason I ask, as I feel it may help me see this other group more clearly.

Many Thanks.

In Light,
~ dmarie

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, I was at the Cof$ as a staff member in Plymouth UK... quite an interesting experience! After I left, I was involved in getting people out, as well as rehabilitating those who had left but were still in fear. You can read a summary here: http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I was there for about a year. At the time I was exploring how they managed to get such a hold on people. It is very, very interesting. On the one hand, the people on the ground floor at their Orgs are very much lightworkers. They want to make a difference, save the world. But scrape the surface and it's all about control and the transporting of moneys to the higher echelons of the so called Church. They exploit the staff in ways which are inhumane, really bad, even young kids.

That organization has become a lightworker and lightwarrior trap. They grab them when they are waking up and enslave them big time.

Hi Inelia,

Can you go into how they are/become trapped? Is that information in the link above?

When Bill had mentioned this particular group (I believe it was in a video or perhaps here in a post) I began to put some pieces together (questions I had...soul level feelings I was receiving) about another group that I felt/feel is doing the same thing. Anyway, that is the reason I ask, as I feel it may help me see this other group more clearly.

Many Thanks.

In Light,
~ dmarie

The anatomy of the trap is rather like this.

(Note that I've never been in the Church, and Inelia observed all this from the inside: she may be better able to comment.)






Create a dependency.
Tell the new member that they have serious problems - but they can all be fixed (at a high price, of course).
Find subtle ways of making the new member feel bad about themselves.
When the fixes are attempted, make all kind of 'mistakes' which then have to be fixed again (which is like going to a doctor, being given the wrong remedy, feeling even worse, and then having to pay for another remedy - ad infinitum).
Exert continual suppressive control (ever-present but sometimes very subtle) over every aspect of the member's life, beliefs, thoughts, feelings and attitudes. This erodes away self-belief and self-preserving intention.
Hammer into the member that the only way out is to continue, and that no other 'help' will be effective.


Free Zone Scientology is absolutely opposite to any of the above, and honors and always works towards free choice and self-determinism.

The only factor in common with the Church of Scientology is the basic processes that Hubbard developed (correctly applied - and correctly applied, they can work miracles).

Like the surgeon's knife, Hubbard's techniques are very powerful and can be used to cure or kill, free or enslave, liberate or indoctrinate. The processes themselves, which are mostly in the form of structured therapeutic questions, have no 'intention': it's only the intention of the practitioner (or the organization that trained the practitioner) that determines the outcome.

[dmarie]

Like the surgeon's knife, Hubbard's techniques are very powerful and can be used to cure or kill, free or enslave, liberate or indoctrinate. The processes themselves, which are mostly in the form of structured therapeutic questions, have no 'intention': it's only the intention of the practitioner (or the organization that trained the practitioner) that determines the outcome.

This is what I'm feeling has a much deeper level to it...hmmm hard to explain, but on a deep personal soul level, some type of soul "entrapment". What I think I mean by that, as it's not all that clear to me yet, but giving them the feeling of freedom and where they "should be", but indeed in almost a different realm of sorts. Does any of that make any sense? lol sorry that wasn't very clear, as I said it's hard to put into words as it's thoughts and feelings running through me and I'm trying to put the pieces together.

Again, thank you.

:love:

[manny]

Here is a excerpt from a book The Cosmos of Soul.
Your life source your energy is light,which enters the body through the skin,your eyes and more importantly your food source.as you have become more removed from the earth by technology and commercialism,you have abandoned the true meaning of nourishment from the food supply.which must feed not only the physical but also the spiritual self.
Eliminate dead animal flesh from your diet.
Eliminate artificial colouring,flavouring,synthetic foodstuffs and synthetic vitamins.
Select wholesome,unprocessed,natural foods from thebottom of the foodchain such as grains,seeds,fruits and vegatables.
Radically change your methods of preparing food to include from 60-70 per cent uncooked vegetables and fruits ideally straight from the plant or tree source.
Grow your own produce.
Bless the food you eat and encircle them with light.
Silicon dioxide can neutralize some of the contaminants found in drinking water.place a quartz point in a glass bottle and store filtered water overnight before drinking.

Meat.consider that you are taking violent death into your being every time you cut into a piece of meat.remember that it is old dead ,flesh that you are feeding to your body that you are trying to enlighten.you are bombarding your bodies with the overload of the terrified dying animal-hormones,toxic chemicals and genetic tampering used to artificially stimulate growth for the obvious reasons.

Plants.these are the lungs of Gaia,and as a food source provide not only oxygen to the system,but draw light into the cells.know that every cell of your body is activated by light.like a miniature battery,with north and south poles;each cell holds within it a full rainbow spectrum,just as you have come to know the colours spectrum of your primary chakras.this is important clue to understanding the importance of the the words (you are what you eat).plants capture light in their leaves in their photosynthetic process.the ingestion of raw fruits and veg draws the light through the digestive system,reacting with your cellular make-up as light bearers replenishing the Ka,or life force within you.

Well that certainly makes sense to me.

lol just after posting this i saw http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18116-Eating-animal-products-will-shut-down-your-dna

sycronicity again.

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,

thanks for the ongoing work you are doing. I read recently that the Japan EQ has shifted our current time line, the energy and the event was so powerful that managed to distort briefly the current time-space continuum, so the direction that global events are taking as from now maybe a bit different that the ones that were going to get manifested prior to that.
Are you able to feel those shifts or main deviations? I know timelines get constantly adjusted depending on global consciousness, but major changes sure must be noticed somehow, I wonder if this was for real and we are now to head to a better or "worse" direction :-(

[ace]

Hi Inelia
Thank you for the link you provided.

http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I have noticed both you and Bill have Broke bread with the same mutual friend.
Terril Park.

Back in November 2005 Bill attended a mini FZ conference in an East Grinstead Coffee Shop.
http://www.arovast.co.uk/gatwick05.htm

Then back in April\May 2008 Terril Park Visited you at your home.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=95595&postcount=2


I also see you felt you were scammed out of 3000 inheritance money
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=183149#post183149

Did you manage to recover that money?

Kind Regards
Ace

[Ilie Pandia]

I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

[ace]

I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

I did not say that, I said they had a muteral friend.
I did not say they had met before.

Ace

[Ilie Pandia]

I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

I did not say that, I said they had a muteral friend.
I did not say they had met before.

Ace

Let me rephrase then: How is having a mutual friend should have made Inelia "aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan" (your words)?

[ace]

I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

I did not say that, I said they had a muteral friend.
I did not say they had met before.

Ace

Let me rephrase then: How is having a mutual friend should have made Inelia "aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan" (your words)?

I just took a look at the link that Inelia provided for us to read and noticed they knew the same person.

That's all.

Tell me what part of my post is wrong in your eye's and I will delete it.

Ace

[Ross]

Think ace means 2011 not 2012? Or am I a year behind? :horn:

Ross

[Ilie Pandia]

I just took a look at the link that Inelia provided for us to read and noticed they knew the same person.

is very different than the implications of this quote


I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.

Anyone with a good command of English will see the difference between those two.

I do not intend to delete any of this (even though we both disrupted this thread), but I will call on Bill or any other moderator to delete it, if they consider it not useful.

[ace]

I apologize for my poor command of English and have edited my post as to not offend anybody.
Ace

[araucaria]

Hi Ace
I think the part you might like to rephrase is 'I was under the impression' - it makes it sound like you are joining dots where there are no dots to be joined.
regards






I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

I did not say that, I said they had a muteral friend.
I did not say they had met before.

Ace

Let me rephrase then: How is having a mutual friend should have made Inelia "aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan" (your words)?

I just took a look at the link that Inelia provided for us to read and noticed they knew the same person.

That's all.

Tell me what part of my post is wrong in your eye's and I will delete it.

Ace

[ace]

Hi Ace
I think the part you might like to rephrase is 'I was under the impression' - it makes it sound like you are joining dots where there are no dots to be joined.
regards






I was under the impression you were not aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan before 1st January 2012.


Hello Ace,

Where in your links does it show that Bill and Inelia have met before or they were aware of each other?

I did not say that, I said they had a muteral friend.
I did not say they had met before.

Ace

Let me rephrase then: How is having a mutual friend should have made Inelia "aware of Avalon and Bill Ryan" (your words)?

I just took a look at the link that Inelia provided for us to read and noticed they knew the same person.

That's all.

Tell me what part of my post is wrong in your eye's and I will delete it.

Ace

I can see that now and have apologized for my poor selection of words.

Ace

[quench]

Hello Bill/Inelia/everyone
For a complete "beginner" what is the best way to start in this ascension/raising vibration process. Is it a natural process that just needs time or is there a book which contains techniques you can use to start raising your vibrations (such as blessing your food, water etc.) Which book is the best?

Inelia,
Enjoyed your talk with Lucia Rene and looking forward to your upcoming Avalon vid. A question: Do you have a deadline by which all your work has to be done? Or, when will the ascension process be complete (or maybe it's ongoing?)

Thanks

[David Topí]

Hello Bill/Inelia/everyone
For a complete "beginner" what is the best way to start in this ascension/raising vibration process. Is it a natural process that just needs time or is there a book which contains techniques you can use to start raising your vibrations (such as blessing your food, water etc.) Which book is the best?

My take on this, the "ascension" or awareness expansion, spiritual growth or however we call it, is a never-ending path. It starts the day you realise there must be something more that just this "material" or physical existence (nothing wrong with that) and then goes on and on reaching higher and higher levels of understanding about the "nature" of the "reality" (the universe, the incarnational cycle, the densities we exist, the Higher Self role, the nature of the game, etc). It really never stops, for when you have reached a level when you understand something, immediately after there is a new door to cross in which you can learn something more. You personal vibration rate will continue to improve, in the sense that you will be breaking experiential loops and becoming more "spiritually awakened" (but I do not like too much so many new-age terminology, it is simply a growing process). You vibrate higher, if you put an oscilloscope to measure your primary frecuency now, you get a number, if you put it in 5 years, you may get a higher vibrational rate. This is simply "energy" that translate into a new reality and paradigm in your life.


Inelia,
Enjoyed your talk with Lucia Rene and looking forward to your upcoming Avalon vid. A question: Do you have a deadline by which all your work has to be done? Or, when will the ascension process be complete (or maybe it's ongoing?)

Thanks

Again, my personal view is that each one has a different "deadline". I agree that many people say that the Earth "soul" (what people call Gaia, divine mother, etc) seems to be getting ready to move to a higher level of existence. If the planetary spirit moves to 4D or whatever that level may be, may mean that those still with a lower vibrational level may not be able to inhabit Earth if they have not achieved they new vibrational rate. But this is just opinions and many different understandings of what seems to be happening in the planet.

Gaia may not be inhabiting this body we call Earth when she moves to a higher level, she may be simply leaving it and going to incarnate somewhere else where she can continue her journey. What does it means for all of us here? It means that our HS will have to choose, either tries to complete its learning before this happens (if it happens), either simply drops its incarnations when the time comes and moves to another place in the universe to keep evolving at 3D level till it is ready to move to higher densities. So everyone is different, you can be ready now, in 10 years or in 10 lifetimes, the game board may be not here then to keep playing, but other game boards may be as exciting and interesting as this one.

[bilko]

Hello Bill/Inelia/everyone
For a complete "beginner" what is the best way to start in this ascension/raising vibration process. Is it a natural process that just needs time or is there a book which contains techniques you can use to start raising your vibrations (such as blessing your food, water etc.) Which book is the best?

Inelia,
Enjoyed your talk with Lucia Rene and looking forward to your upcoming Avalon vid. A question: Do you have a deadline by which all your work has to be done? Or, when will the ascension process be complete (or maybe it's ongoing?)

Thanks
Hi Quench
You just put a thought into my head mate:)
I have heard that question many times before and rolled off lists of books when i was more informed but never gave it much thought beyond that.

Now though, reading it here i figure that ascension or not is a natural process. Unavoidable almost.
Surely it will happen naturally through the choices we make and lives we live.
A book might put us on the right path but understanding is far different from becoming.
Does one need to read and write in order to ascend? No, think not.

Like i said, just a thought about my own learning that you triggered there mate, thanks:)

[perfectresonance]

--------

Re eating meat, here are the very interesting comments of the Ninja Nun (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12082-A-message-from-a-Nun-about-the-Charles-material) - reposted here with her permission:






The importance of blessing our food both at harvest and as we eat it, is part of the frequency modulation process. Gratitude is an indestructible light filament, connecting us with The Source and strengthens the bond we share with all life.


We have become disconnected with the most basic ways of life, including the gathering of our own food.

I chanced across this just now and think it is a wonderful reminder for all of us.

Video (not YouTube) 7m 09s (http://www.wimp.com/tribesmanpursues/)

[quench]

Now though, reading it here i figure that ascension or not is a natural process. Unavoidable almost.
Surely it will happen naturally through the choices we make and lives we live.
A book might put us on the right path but understanding is far different from becoming.
Does one need to read and write in order to ascend? No, think not.


Good thought. I just wondered whether there may be a sort of guide of thing's which would help the process. Example, a lot of people take food/water for granted never thinking/knowing of the benefits of blessing them before they consume them. I wondered if there were more things along those lines which we could do to help the process along.

[bilko]

Thank you Perfectresonance, that is one of the best hunting sequences i have seen.
Deeply saddening to see such a magnificent animal speared on its knees but it contains an important spiritual message there as well i think.
It is the way of all things in the wild, and and beast alike.
Just goes to show that so many of us do not live with mother earth, we live on her.

[bilko]

Now though, reading it here i figure that ascension or not is a natural process. Unavoidable almost.
Surely it will happen naturally through the choices we make and lives we live.
A book might put us on the right path but understanding is far different from becoming.
Does one need to read and write in order to ascend? No, think not.


Good thought. I just wondered whether there may be a sort of guide of thing's which would help the process. Example, a lot of people take food/water for granted never thinking/knowing of the benefits of blessing them before they consume them. I wondered if there were more things along those lines which we could do to help the process along.

I know exactly what you mean mate. In part this is what we are fighting for, our hidden past and knowledge to be revealed.:)
However, if the drums are right then the time for revelation is past ( almost ), and the time for ascension is upon us not only as a race but as a planet also.
Only time will tell i guess.

[Lifesong]

The anatomy of the trap is rather like this.

(Note that I've never been in the Church, and Inelia observed all this from the inside: she may be better able to comment.)






Create a dependency.
Tell the new member that they have serious problems - but they can all be fixed (at a high price, of course).
Find subtle ways of making the new member feel bad about themselves.
When the fixes are attempted, make all kind of 'mistakes' which then have to be fixed again (which is like going to a doctor, being given the wrong remedy, feeling even worse, and then having to pay for another remedy - ad infinitum).
Exert continual suppressive control (ever-present but sometimes very subtle) over every aspect of the member's life, beliefs, thoughts, feelings and attitudes. This erodes away self-belief and self-preserving intention.
Hammer into the member that the only way out is to continue, and that no other 'help' will be effective.


Free Zone Scientology is absolutely opposite to any of the above, and honors and always works towards free choice and self-determinism.

The only factor in common with the Church of Scientology is the basic processes that Hubbard developed (correctly applied - and correctly applied, they can work miracles).

Like the surgeon's knife, Hubbard's techniques are very powerful and can be used to cure or kill, free or enslave, liberate or indoctrinate. The processes themselves, which are mostly in the form of structured therapeutic questions, have no 'intention': it's only the intention of the practitioner (or the organization that trained the practitioner) that determines the outcome.


Wow, Bill. Thank you for this!

[sygh]

Am listening to the Part I interview now at about 13 minutes in. Very much like the idea of bringing people together and working with the synergy. The thing is, that's is exactly what has been happening, with Bill, and on the forum. Bringing out the best... as Bill says, ...'everybody wins.' Engage in the world. Fix it. And yes, we have trashed this place. This is the message that really resonates with me, just feel so powerless, and alone, as I sit here thinking about cleaning it up.


Many smiles, and easy thoughts...

Robin

[mosquito]

Thanks for the video Perfectresonance - you are so right, people think the "spiritual" path is just about light and "high vibrations". Becoming conscious also means reconnecting to our deepest, darkest selves, (think amplitude - a high frequency wave has troughs as well as peaks !) reconnecting to nature, and (as the video shows), re-learning how to provide for our basic survival needs. If we don't get these needs met (talk about base chakras if you like) then it's very difficult to focus on "higher" things, as anyone who's ever been starving (I have) will tell you. And this is one of the ways the control system works - create poverty, create economic need and you immediately disempower people.
I think we all need to stay realtively grounded, stay open to higher energies, but be aware that future survival is, in my opinion, going to depend on how well you and your community can provide food, shelter and warmth, rather than on who can sit cross-legged and say "om" for longest !
Something we all forget is that indigenous people hunted with respect for their prey, as you can see from the video, they are completely in tune with the chase and the animal. We've all been brought up to buy meat from a shop, ready packaged, ready to cook, which is possibly one reason we all go through phases of feeling squeamish about it, we're completely out of touch.
A sensitive area, I know, and one which we each need to examine for ourselves, and come to our own decision. A (hopefully humourous) aside - how many of us would eat meat if we had to run for 8 hours in the tropical sun in order to get it !!!
A fascinating film, I vaguely remember seeing the whole programme on TV, so thanks also to the San people and to good old David Attenborough

[K626]

The two wolves.

There is a battle that goes on inside people. There are two wolves fighting continuously.

One wolf is ego, greed, anger, jealousy, regret, guilt, violence and fear.

The other wolf is love, peace, hope and divine light.

Which wolf wins?

The one that you feed the most. ;)



I am the third wolf.

Peace

K

[Alexandrian]

I am the third wolf.

Peace

K

Are you suggesting that you are a non-dual being?

[Flash]

I can see that now and have apologized for my poor selection of words.

Ace

Hi Ace, please don't apologize for a poor selection of words that are not from your mothertongue. It makes me so sad - learning subtleties of a foreign language as you just did (for us these are subtleties) and correcting is one thing and it is fine, excusing oneself for not mastering a foreign language completely is something else. This is not your fault.

In French being under "the impression that...." really gives the idea of just that, nothing firmed, just potentials to be clarified, with no negative background thinking. And the words used are the same namely "sous l'impression", but the implications are different. When we master that much of a foreign language, this is art man! To me you are mastering English already Ace.

I often look at the country of origin (flag) to see if I am dealing with someone who may make mistakes in English, so that I am much more lenient and will check firts before judging the real meaning or words.

It is often difficult for English speakers to understand how difficult it is for us to follow on subtleties.

Please, before judging based on presumed intentions, verify with the author more than once to elucidate any misunderstanding. And more if the flag is not from English speaking countries including Quebec in Canada.

This got to me because these kind of mistakes and misunderstandings happened so often to me while switching languages that it is not funny anymore. And yes, I do have some hang ups with that.

Sorry for disrupting the thread, I could'nt avoid responding, it gets me too much.

[Billy]

Now though, reading it here i figure that ascension or not is a natural process. Unavoidable almost.
Surely it will happen naturally through the choices we make and lives we live.
A book might put us on the right path but understanding is far different from becoming.
Does one need to read and write in order to ascend? No, think not.


Good thought. I just wondered whether there may be a sort of guide of thing's which would help the process. Example, a lot of people take food/water for granted never thinking/knowing of the benefits of blessing them before they consume them. I wondered if there were more things along those lines which we could do to help the process along.

Thanking the universe and blessing everything that you encounter on your journey, Food, water, family, friends, all negative and positive experiences, ( those are your greatest teachers) And most important the longest journey anyone will ever travel is from the head to the heart.

do all those things mentioned above from a loving heart and all your fears and worry's disappear and you shine brighter than the stars in heaven above.

[Mike]

hi Inelia,

do you do any type of healing work?

also, i really liked your answer regarding the threat to your physical body, but there is one variable that i'm afraid is not being accounted for: timing. what i mean is, this seems to be a very crucial time. a very important time. do you think tptb would consider taking you and those like you out during this sensitive time to win this last very strategic battle? of course you'd return but perhaps by the time you grew into adulthood the battle would be over and lost??? just a thought.

and thank you for your presence here!(Avalon and earth) much appreciated.

[Bill Ryan]

of course you'd return but perhaps by the time you grew into adulthood the battle would be over and lost???

One does not have to return as a baby! :)

Think of it as a relay race - where the baton is passed to the next runner. A 'placeholder' sets up the body as an infant, child and adolescent with good parents, education, location, and health, accumulates some resources (skills, finance, friends and allies) - and then, by prior agreement, hands over to the walk-in as an optimum going concern with everything already in place and in their favor, able to get on with their mission immediately.

Many such 'placeholders' will already be standing by, ready to serve. That's what Inelia meant by 'returning in an instant'.

[Ammit]

Bill, i`m curious with this comment, could you explain please...

[Inelia]

Ace[/QUOTE]


Hi Inelia
Thank you for the link you provided.

http://exscn.net/content/view/68/102/

I have noticed both you and Bill have Broke bread with the same mutual friend.
Terril Park.

Back in November 2005 Bill attended a mini FZ conference in an East Grinstead Coffee Shop.
http://www.arovast.co.uk/gatwick05.htm

Then back in April\May 2008 Terril Park Visited you at your home.
http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=95595&postcount=2


I also see you felt you were scammed out of 3000 inheritance money
http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=183149#post183149

Did you manage to recover that money?

Kind Regards
Ace

Hi Ace,

I never did get my money back, unfortunately. I did meet Terril at my home, he's a great guy! And the connection with Bill, truly amazing. I had no idea they knew each other.

This is some cool stuff, you might be interested to know that Bill and I lived in the same city in 1989, like 3 miles from each other. Plus had close run ins a couple of other times during our travels. Like, we both spent the summer of '78 in Edinburgh, Scotland. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it's kinda cool :)

[grapevine]

I am the third wolf.
K

So are you the sum of the two wolves KT626 or something else ........? And if something else then what ?

[Mike]

I am the third wolf.
K

So are you the sum of the two wolves KT626 or something else ........? And if something else then what ?


count me in as one of the confused ones here:confused:: you know when you give a dog a command that it doesn't understand and it sort of tilts it's head and looks at you in utter puzzlement...

[grapevine]

Hello Bill/Inelia/everyone
For a complete "beginner" what is the best way to start in this ascension/raising vibration process. Is it a natural process that just needs time or is there a book which contains techniques you can use to start raising your vibrations (such as blessing your food, water etc.) Which book is the best?

Inelia,
Enjoyed your talk with Lucia Rene and looking forward to your upcoming Avalon vid. A question: Do you have a deadline by which all your work has to be done? Or, when will the ascension process be complete (or maybe it's ongoing?)

Thanks
Hi Quench
You just put a thought into my head mate:)
I have heard that question many times before and rolled off lists of books when i was more informed but never gave it much thought beyond that.

Now though, reading it here i figure that ascension or not is a natural process. Unavoidable almost.
Surely it will happen naturally through the choices we make and lives we live.
A book might put us on the right path but understanding is far different from becoming.
Does one need to read and write in order to ascend? No, think not.

Like i said, just a thought about my own learning that you triggered there mate, thanks:)

Hi Quench

The truth is that we all do get there in the end, regardless - even the ptb. Some just get there quicker than others ...... But we all make it in the end. It's a dead cert (no pun intended!:))

[K626]

I am the third wolf.
K

So are you the sum of the two wolves KT626 or something else ........? And if something else then what ?


count me in as one of the confused ones here:confused:: you know when you give a dog a command that it doesn't understand and it sort of tilts it's head and looks at you in utter puzzlement...

Ha ha...The dog imagery is funny. :couch2:

Peace

K

[Alan]

I found (as many have) that Hubbard's techniques work, and to a certain degree are very effective, but they are misapplied by almost all in the Cof$ either deliberately or because the members are unaware of what they are doing. It is a cult. The year was 'interesting'.

Inelia, thank you such much for your participation here!

I found your comment above interesting, I'd like to learn more. Which techniques, and what are they used for? Should I just read one of LRH's books?

[Dennis Leahy]

Hi Inelia,

I have a question about the source of what could be called an "infusion" of energy. I know you have stated that you (the skin-encapsulated being we see in a photo) are not the source, you are merely a conduit.

I also recognize/understand/believe that ultimately, all energy comes from Source. But, in our working through this illusion of Source subdivided into worlds and souls (the illusion that we are separate beings or even separate souls), do you know specifically where the energy comes from when a lightworker (for lack of a better term) acts as a conduit and allows energy to flow through?

Evidently (according to a blended synopsis gleaned by Michael Newton working with over 7000 subjects in soul memory, during Life Between Lives - LBL - hypnotherapy sessions), we all bi-locate. That is, some of our overall soul energy is always with the part of our soul in spirit form, and we make a decision about how much of that soul energy to bring with us in each incarnation - never even close to 100%. (This next part gets a bit tricky for my logical mind, that cannot embrace more than an intellectual glimpse of the concept): time is not linear. So, when in a state of "soul memory", one is also in a state of "soul experience" - literally not just remembering past incarnations, but rather experiencing all of them simultaneously as well as the current (and even future ones.) Whew! Some subjects in LBL hypnotherapy report being able to make a decision to increase the amount of soul energy 'downloaded' into the incarnate being.

So, my long-winded question is: when energy is 'channeled' or 'funneled' into us by a lightworker, is that energy a part of our own soul energy, or is that more like a direct "battery charge" of energy directly from Source?

Dennis

[David Topí]

Hi Inelia,

I have a question about the source of what could be called an "infusion" of energy. I know you have stated that you (the skin-encapsulated being we see in a photo) are not the source, you are merely a conduit.

I also recognize/understand/believe that ultimately, all energy comes from Source. But, in our working through this illusion of Source subdivided into worlds and souls (the illusion that we are separate beings or even separate souls), do you know specifically where the energy comes from when a lightworker (for lack of a better term) acts as a conduit and allows energy to flow through?

Evidently (according to a blended synopsis gleaned by Michael Newton working with over 7000 subjects in soul memory, during Life Between Lives - LBL - hypnotherapy sessions), we all bi-locate. That is, some of our overall soul energy is always with the part of our soul in spirit form, and we make a decision about how much of that soul energy to bring with us in each incarnation - never even close to 100%. (This next part gets a bit tricky for my logical mind, that cannot embrace more than an intellectual glimpse of the concept): time is not linear. So, when in a state of "soul memory", one is also in a state of "soul experience" - literally not just remembering past incarnations, but rather experiencing all of them simultaneously as well as the current (and even future ones.) Whew! Some subjects in LBL hypnotherapy report being able to make a decision to increase the amount of soul energy 'downloaded' into the incarnate being.

So, my long-winded question is: when energy is 'channeled' or 'funneled' into us by a lightworker, is that energy a part of our own soul energy, or is that more like a direct "battery charge" of energy directly from Source?

Dennis

Hi Dennis,
In my experience, the chi or energy that I receive when doing healing work comes from my higher self via the silver cord, entering normally from the top chakra, and my HS gets the energy directly from Source. Maybe for Inelia is different, as she may need a huge amount of energy to get her work done (just guessing).

As for the different incarnations, as far as I can tell, some Higher Selves choose to incarnate sequentially, that is, one life after another (reincarnation), which seems to be the common method everywhere else in the galaxy. However, Earth is a point where simultaneous incarnations are permitted as well, meaning, a higher self can choose to have hundreds of incarnations at the same time, making the evolutionary process and learning much faster.

Last time I "asked" my HS, about 16% of the population on the planet are sequentially incarnated HS, about 40% used the simultaneous method and the rest are minions (just an estimation). That gives us an idea that most probably, most of the people here in the forum are probably projections of simultaneously incarnating HS, each of us at a different level of "evolution", but most probably, otherwise I guess we will not be here, resonating at a similar level close to each other.

Also, sequentially incarnating beings can remember their past incarnations, they do not have the veil of amnesia when they incarnate. This is what happens (IMO) when you see a kid of 4 years old playing piano like Mozart, he simply learn it in a past live and comes with all the knowledge and skills into a new body. Simultaneous incarnating HS do have to "forget" everything in each incarnation in order to not interfere with the others parts of "himself". This seems to be part of the rules in the Earth game.

[humanalien]

Inelia:

Is there a difference between God and Source or are they the same thing?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

All foods are subject to the energetic conveyor belt. from the day its planted to when it arrives on your plate its been through much. The best turning point for food's energetic outcome is at the Chef. a Happy chef that cooks with passion and love will greatly convert the energy of a meal.

As mentioned it is good practice to give thanks for any food on your plate. This is a Shaman trait to give thanks and blessings for the food you are about to eat. When you do this the food is lighter , it feels good in your tummy and you feel it do you good energetically.

This is the same with anything you put in your body. I know it sounds " hippie " but a love blessing on anything done with real " intention " and i mean from the heart, will change whatever you bless to its better vibration. This in turn unlocks past dramas for the " conveyor belt " and does wonders for everybody.

NO SPECIAL POWERS NEEDED , JUST THE INTENTION FROM THE HEART.

Hugs :)

N
N

[sheddie]

Thank you for answering all these questions Inelia,

I am a little confused as to the difference between a body 'intelligence' and yourself now being 'new to this earth'........

Can you explain in more detail please as it is very confusing and can lead to confusion.

Many thanks

Bill touched a little on this on his previous post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206183&viewfull=1#post206183
I agree with his summary completely.

As an example, sometimes the body "we" react in a very strange way, illogical way. Feeling sad or fear at something which is not really that fearful... like spiders. And, at that moment, we can ask "is this fear mine?", if the answer is "yes" then we do some sort of process to see where that fear came from. If the answer is "no", we ask, "is it my body's?" if the answer is yes we acknowledge the body, give it a big calming energy "hug", and process the fear with it. If it is "no" we look see if it's an implant and/or find the external source.

This will start the journey of discovering about our physical and subtle bodies. It also works with the emotional body, the mind and the ego... great stuff.

Thank you Inelia

So are you saying that the intelligent body is the genetic lineage body, our fear of spiders could be from our ancestor's - I think I am getting that :) or it could come from an external source, is that right :confused:

What I am still confused about is how that relates to you being 'new to this earth' if you have been here before? How can you be both things at the same time?

Sorry if I am being particularly dense here but I just don't understand and I would really like to as it is a complicated subject and one I am fascinated by. I would really love to know the difference and would be very grateful if you could help.

Also how would you look to see if it was an implant or from an external source?

Many thanks

x

Many thanks

[Bill Ryan]

Bill touched a little on this on his previous post:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=206183&viewfull=1#post206183
I agree with his summary completely.

As an example, sometimes the body "we" react in a very strange way, illogical way. Feeling sad or fear at something which is not really that fearful... like spiders. And, at that moment, we can ask "is this fear mine?", if the answer is "yes" then we do some sort of process to see where that fear came from. If the answer is "no", we ask, "is it my body's?" if the answer is yes we acknowledge the body, give it a big calming energy "hug", and process the fear with it. If it is "no" we look see if it's an implant and/or find the external source.

This will start the journey of discovering about our physical and subtle bodies. It also works with the emotional body, the mind and the ego... great stuff.

Thank you Inelia

So are you saying that the intelligent body is the genetic lineage body, our fear of spiders could be from our ancestor's - I think I am getting that :) or it could come from an external source, is that right :confused:

What I am still confused about is how that relates to you being 'new to this earth' if you have been here before? How can you be both things at the same time?

Sorry if I am being particularly dense here but I just don't understand and I would really like to as it is a complicated subject and one I am fascinated by. I would really love to know the difference and would be very grateful if you could help.

Also how would you look to see if it was an implant or from an external source?

Many thanks

x

Many thanks

The car (hardware) has been engineered from recycled components - and the engine management system (software) has a mind of its own, and itself reincarnates.

But the driver (the operator) has never been here before, and has never driven any car.

The fear of spiders belongs with the car or with the engine management system. Why should an infinite being with awesome creative powers (like you and I and we all really are) be afraid of anything at all?

[K626]

The car (hardware) has been engineered from recycled components - and the engine management system (software) has a mind of its own, and itself reincarnates.

But the driver (the operator) has never been here before, and has never driven any car.

The fear of spiders belongs with the car or with the engine management system. Why should an infinite being with awesome creative powers (like you and I and we all really are) be afraid of anything at all?

The body, the brain (electrochemical) and the mind (consciousness).

*Would only debate whether the DRIVER has driven before. :couch2:


K

[Aurelius]

Something I still don't get about Scientology / Free-Org / Ron's-Org etc.

Inelia can you or Bill pls fault my logic?

1. The protocols behind Scientology are powerful and of good intention

2. Hubbard is the teacher of these protocols

3. Scientology gets infiltrated 1978+ The material is changed and people are used & abused (ie. it becomes more of a money making racket than teaching people the abilities they seek, people are heavily controlled) This is what we have in mainstream Scientology today.

4. Splinter groups break away, Free-Zone / Ron's Org etc. They continue to work with the technology (the original unmodified material), and don't use and abuse people (they give free choice)

5. Both streams (3 & 4) appear to have high regard for Hubbard as a 'person' and his 'teachings'.

6. Both Inelia and Bill have been heavily involved in #3 (Inelia) & #4 (Bill) and I assume support #5 ?

7. I assume Inelia's abilities were further developed as a result of #3 / 4 ?

8. Looking into Hubbard as a 'person' pre or post 1978 and watching a fair amount footage it appears he 'was' controlling people, money making 'was' a priority (perhaps not to the same degree as today), I don't see evidence of putting the people 1st ahead of the money, and he just does not come across as the nice, kind, caring kinda chap I thought he was (ie. no evidence of any Christ energy - for want of a better description).

#1 + #2 + #5 = #8 ... just don't seem to add up for me.

[K626]

Why would you limit yourself to just learning from nice people?

Peace

K

[araucaria]

Aurelius quote:
'Scientology gets infiltrated 1978+'
I had a rather unpleasant brush with scientology in the UK back in 1973.
I'm not insinuating anything, just supplying a data point from a position of near-total ignorance... Can someone please explain?

[Aurelius]

that is an excellent question ...

you need to see the light shine through somewhere .. if you can't see it ... be weary.


Why would you limit yourself from just learning from nice people?

Peace

K

[K626]

that is an excellent question ...

you need to see the light shine through somewhere .. if you can't see it ... be weary.


Why would you limit yourself from just learning from nice people?

Peace

K

Light isn't one thing. It is never in one place. It is constantly changing.


I listen to Wagner (he was nasty), I read Plato and Nietzsche (they were both ego maniacs and a bit mad) and I love it when I see moments of madness in my friends.


Bring yourself to the party and that is enough.


Peace

K

[Sync]

"The car (hardware) has been engineered from recycled components - and the engine management system (software) has a mind of its own, and itself reincarnates.

But the driver (the operator) has never been here before, and has never driven any car."

Using this metaphor, what fuels the vehicle?

Who maintains the roads?

What are some difficulties associated with driving a car for the first time?

PS: In regard to my earlier questions; Since they remain unanswered, I feel that they may have been interpreted as invasive and/or intrusive. Therefore, I apologize and retract my earlier questions.

After I posted those questions, I was aggressively "pinged" by an entity of some sort that caused me great discomfort.

However, I feel that the greeting may have come from a source related to my work.

I am an advocate for sexually/physically abused children in Central Los Angeles who averages ~65 hours of work per week on top of my own intervention design projects.

I am broke and my batteries are low... but my primary wish is to serve underprivileged minority populations that are invisible to mainstream society.

Although the work is difficult and unglamorous, it remains the most important thing I have ever done. Even more important than last week's meeting with a 9 foot red-headed telepath who agreed with and supported my decision to stay entrenched in this path.

The children are the only hope for our future. So much pain and yet so much beauty exists hidden in plain site.

I am grateful for Bill, Inelia, and all of the other insightful posters. Reading these threads is part of my decompression routine.

Peace be with you.

[perfectresonance]

Inelia:

Is there a difference between God and Source or are they the same thing?

Through research and personal experience I became convinced the god of the Christian Bible isn't the Source God.

But through my upbringing and programming I put the word "God" as the most supreme being; the one that is all and causes all.

Yet the god from the bible is none of these things; nor is Jesus (Jesus may have been very special, I'm not arguing that).

Thing is, every time the word "God" was used there was an instantaneous rejection inside me.

It has taken me until very recently to deal with those filters to the point where I can hear "God" and think "Source".

The reason for this message is to recognise that using words like "God" has the potential to trigger all sorts of pre-conditioning in the reader/listener that you may not intend.

In my mind, using the Source is a very practical alternative which ensures most people will hear your message without bringing their this-world indoctrinations with them.

It amuses me when Bob Dean refers to his "good friend from Galilee" - in my mind he seems to be aware of the same problems by side-stepping the actual word "Jesus".

The use of the word Jesus triggers so much pre-loading in the listener/reader, the actual message may then be lost.

If there is one idea that seems to have almost unanimous support, it is that there is ultimately only one Supreme Entity that created all.

What word we choose for this isn't really important, apart from the benefits of avoiding pre-conditioning as suggested above.

So, God can be the same as Source, or God isn't the same as Source. Depending on each individual's understanding.

To me, it has taken a long time to shift the indoctrinated meaning of God (of the Christian Bible) onto the Source, so now I can hear/read them interchangeably and they mean the same to me.

And while I'm here... I thank you, I thank you, I thank you. I thank you for this wonderful life. I thank you for this beautiful planet in this breathtaking universe. And I thank you for these wonderful souls to share it all with. I thank you, I thank you, I thank you.

[perfectresonance]

Something I still don't get about Scientology / Free-Org / Ron's-Org etc.

Inelia can you or Bill pls fault my logic?

1. The protocols behind Scientology are powerful and of good intention



Protocols have no intention.

The practitioner of a protocol brings the intention when the protocol is used.

Is the use-of-knife protocol good or bad?




a) when cutting fruit or vegetables to bring to your family's table
b) when killing an animal to bring to your family's table
c) when killing an animal that poops on your lawn
d) when killing a person that insulted your honour
e) when killing a person that stole your property
f) when killing a person that killed your child
g) when killing an animal near death but in distress
h) ...

The use-of-knife protocol is neutral.

The intention comes from the person implementing the protocol.

[perfectresonance]

I am an advocate for sexually/physically abused children in Central Los Angeles who averages ~65 hours of work per week on top of my own intervention design projects.
I am broke and my batteries are low... but my primary wish is to serve underprivileged minority populations that are invisible to mainstream society.
Although the work is difficult and unglamorous, it remains the most important thing I have ever done.


I thank you for your important work.

Allow yourself time away to recharge. You are no good to them unless you can work from a place of peace and strength.

TRUST the Source to step in and deal with things in your absence.

You must take care of yourself first. This is far from selfish - it is essential to keep you in top condition to keep doing what you do best.

I speak as someone who has seriously overdrawn his own energy-bank-account a number of times before I learned to balance my life. It takes at least as long to recover from abusing your own body and spirit this way as it took to inflict it upon yourself. What you do is important, but you won't do it for very long, nor very well unless you recognise you should be a finely honed and hardened blade instead of dull edged and rusty...

[Donna O]

It takes at least as long to recover from abusing your own body and spirit this way as it took to inflict it upon yourself.

Excellent point, very true!