US cop punches woman in the face

[ktlight]

A shocking video has emerged showing an off-duty Atlanta officer punching a woman in the face, an incident that has triggered outrage amid rampant police brutality across the US.


The video, which was shot on Sunday at a restaurant in Atlanta's Buckhead neighborhood in the US state of Georgia, shows a confrontation between police officers and a group of women, followed by a violent scuffle between two cops and one of the women identified as Cynthia Freeman, the New York Daily News reported.

The woman can be seen placing her hand on the officer and trying to convince him that she did not do anything wrong. Shortly after she began to assault him, the officer punched the woman in the face and then attempted to arrest her.

The cause of the incident is still unknown, but a woman who was in the scuffle with the officer, has told Atlanta's WSBTV television that she and her friends were having coffee when an officer told them to quiet down.

Four women were arrested in the violence and Freeman herself has sustained injuries. Atlanta Attorney Bobby Aniekwu says he is representing three of the women in what he considers a case of "excessive force."

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[Lord Sidious]

Wow, just wow.
When are people gonna litigate these people out of business?

[king anthony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Xd_ebWzQo

For more related to the topic click here (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=US+cop+punches+woman+in+the+f ace&aq=f).

I say, does this not happen because people allow it to be!? Did anyone in the video(s) aid the person(s) being attacked - by those who allegedly are there to protect and keep peace!?



"The few" (ruling class) convince people "they" will aid the masses (the new parent).

"The few" then take away any ability for the masses to resolve matters for themselves.

People voluntarily surrender themselves to "their" authority.

People for tens of thousands of years (and longer) have "self policed" successfully; yet, in "modern civilization" people are made to believe it is impossible to do. I say, have not great ancient civilizations been successful in the past without (modern type of) policing!?



The self-proclaimed heroes are unable to handle the issues of the masses, therefore many "crimes" occur and/or unresolved.

The enemies of the people "dressed in blue" work for and look after the best interest of the corporation they serve.

The "long arm of the law" is paid through debt, as not one "cent" of taxes go towards the infrastructure of the "land".


How does passiveness aid those being beaten down by "the few", using their resource of police and military!? To what extreme is needed before the masses say, "no more" and fear not these words!? Have not solutions been known and reminded, which fall on "deaf ears" in these times!?



Have not those who choose to serve "them" made a choice on side!?

Have not those who made the said choice given up their "human right" in order to be a part of something other!?

Do not those who say, "in the line of duty" hide from their deeds and who they really are!?


What measure is it if only but a handful of police are brought to the illusion of justice when the remaining continue!? Is there not a motive on occasion to make example of only a few such events as above!?

What of all the events that remain and will be unknown and undisclosed??

I am not promoting violence - however, I am promoting self-preservation and freedom. How far have "they" gone (and will go), I invite you to visit this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17297-Ruby-Ridge-Waco-Texas-and-William-Cooper-What-Really-Happened).

[ktlight]

Hi King Anthony
Nanny state took over when tptb provided us with child benefit and the NHS and we became compliant and submissive, obedient.

Anarchy has never been tried and yet there is great fear even at its mention and there are a lot of opinions floating around, even though we know nothing about it. I trust people to sort themselves out. I trust that when you trust, you too are trusted and people really only want a peaceful and productive life.

I do not find violence acceptable - not in any form, which doesn't mean I have never been violent.

It' difficult to get involved in other people's violence. We are only in our own skin, and maybe do not know what is actually going on, especially if we didn't see the violence from the start of it.

I think we should all carry a videocam around with us and record whatever we see that makes us feel deeply about what our eyes are recording.

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I hope you understand.

I will take a look at the link you provided.

Take care.

[Lord Sidious]

Hi King Anthony
Nanny state took over when tptb provided us with child benefit and the NHS and we became compliant and submissive, obedient.

Anarchy has never been tried and yet there is great fear even at its mention and there are a lot of opinions floating around, even though we know nothing about it. I trust people to sort themselves out. I trust that when you trust, you too are trusted and people really only want a peaceful and productive life.

I do not find violence acceptable - not in any form, which doesn't mean I have never been violent.

It' difficult to get involved in other people's violence. We are only in our own skin, and maybe do not know what is actually going on, especially if we didn't see the violence from the start of it.

I think we should all carry a videocam around with us and record whatever we see that makes us feel deeply about what our eyes are recording.

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I hope you understand.

I will take a look at the link you provided.

Take care.

Google this term In loco parentis, then you will see why they treat us like they do.

[K626]

If that happenned in England those cops would be in hospital. They would have been jumped by every man in the crowd.

cheers

K

[Jake]

If that happenned in England those cops would be in hospital. They would have been jumped by every man in the crowd.

cheers

K

Many times, In America, folks are shot for assaulting a police officer. I do not blame them for not beating up the cops. The consequences would have been as bad, or worse. Remember, American cops carry guns.
With that said,,, I hope those cops get severely punished for their crimes.

[ktlight]

Hi King Anthony
Nanny state took over when tptb provided us with child benefit and the NHS and we became compliant and submissive, obedient.

Anarchy has never been tried and yet there is great fear even at its mention and there are a lot of opinions floating around, even though we know nothing about it. I trust people to sort themselves out. I trust that when you trust, you too are trusted and people really only want a peaceful and productive life.

I do not find violence acceptable - not in any form, which doesn't mean I have never been violent.

It' difficult to get involved in other people's violence. We are only in our own skin, and maybe do not know what is actually going on, especially if we didn't see the violence from the start of it.

I think we should all carry a videocam around with us and record whatever we see that makes us feel deeply about what our eyes are recording.

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I hope you understand.

I will take a look at the link you provided.

Take care.

Google this term In loco parentis, then you will see why they treat us like they do.

Hi Lord Sidious,

From Wikpedia:
The term in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent" or "instead of a parent,"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.
First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]
Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]

From the free dicitonary:
[Latin, in the place of a parent.] The legal doctrine under which an individual assumes parental rights, duties, and obligations without going through the formalities of legal Adoption.

In loco parentis is a legal doctrine describing a relationship similar to that of a parent to a child. It refers to an individual who assumes parental status and responsibilities for another individual, usually a young person, without formally adopting that person. For example, legal guardians are said to stand in loco parentis with respect to their wards, creating a relationship that has special implications for insurance and Workers' Compensation law.

So, they treat us like they do because we allow it, out of ignorance usually, because we do not know our rights or the law.

Maybe I'm being a bit thick, because I really do not understand why you asked me to google the term. Can you please clarify?

[K626]

If that happenned in England those cops would be in hospital. They would have been jumped by every man in the crowd.

cheers

K

Many times, In America, folks are shot for assaulting a police officer. I do not blame them for not beating up the cops. The consequences would have been as bad, or worse. Remember, American cops carry guns.
With that said,,, I hope those cops get severely punished for their crimes.

Oh yeah forgot about the guns. :p

K

[Lord Sidious]

Hi King Anthony
Nanny state took over when tptb provided us with child benefit and the NHS and we became compliant and submissive, obedient.

Anarchy has never been tried and yet there is great fear even at its mention and there are a lot of opinions floating around, even though we know nothing about it. I trust people to sort themselves out. I trust that when you trust, you too are trusted and people really only want a peaceful and productive life.

I do not find violence acceptable - not in any form, which doesn't mean I have never been violent.

It' difficult to get involved in other people's violence. We are only in our own skin, and maybe do not know what is actually going on, especially if we didn't see the violence from the start of it.

I think we should all carry a videocam around with us and record whatever we see that makes us feel deeply about what our eyes are recording.

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I hope you understand.

I will take a look at the link you provided.

Take care.

Google this term In loco parentis, then you will see why they treat us like they do.

Hi Lord Sidious,

From Wikpedia:
The term in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent" or "instead of a parent,"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.
First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]
Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]

From the free dicitonary:
[Latin, in the place of a parent.] The legal doctrine under which an individual assumes parental rights, duties, and obligations without going through the formalities of legal Adoption.

In loco parentis is a legal doctrine describing a relationship similar to that of a parent to a child. It refers to an individual who assumes parental status and responsibilities for another individual, usually a young person, without formally adopting that person. For example, legal guardians are said to stand in loco parentis with respect to their wards, creating a relationship that has special implications for insurance and Workers' Compensation law.

So, they treat us like they do because we allow it, out of ignorance usually, because we do not know our rights or the law.

Maybe I'm being a bit thick, because I really do not understand why you asked me to google the term. Can you please clarify?

Because the concept is that they always know better and that we need to do as they say.
Hence me telling you guys to google that term.

[ktlight]

[/QUOTE]
Google this term In loco parentis, then you will see why they treat us like they do.[/QUOTE]

Hi Lord Sidious,

From Wikpedia:
The term in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent" or "instead of a parent,"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from English common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.
First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1]
Second, this doctrine can provide a non-biological parent to be given the legal rights and responsibilities of a biological parent if they have held themselves out as the parent.[2]

From the free dicitonary:
[Latin, in the place of a parent.] The legal doctrine under which an individual assumes parental rights, duties, and obligations without going through the formalities of legal Adoption.

In loco parentis is a legal doctrine describing a relationship similar to that of a parent to a child. It refers to an individual who assumes parental status and responsibilities for another individual, usually a young person, without formally adopting that person. For example, legal guardians are said to stand in loco parentis with respect to their wards, creating a relationship that has special implications for insurance and Workers' Compensation law.

So, they treat us like they do because we allow it, out of ignorance usually, because we do not know our rights or the law.

Maybe I'm being a bit thick, because I really do not understand why you asked me to google the term. Can you please clarify?[/QUOTE]

Because the concept is that they always know better and that we need to do as they say.
Hence me telling you guys to google that term.[/QUOTE]

Okay, Lord Sidious, got it!
I was not brought up with parents.........
You are so clever to be able to get to the essence so quickly, and lucky. And I mean this.

[Axman]

Oh yea if you have ever been in this type of thing you see how fast they pull them and call in back up and then somebody gets shot.Been here a few times and they get really itchy fast to start the violence. something to do I guess.

The Axman

[ktlight]

Oh yea if you have ever been in this type of thing you see how fast they pull them and call in back up and then somebody gets shot.Been here a few times and they get really itchy fast to start the violence. something to do I guess.

The Axman

AXMAN,
I love your axe. Didn't Albert King design/make the first one?

[Axman]

Why thank you Ktlight Yes he did he played a 1957 koa gibson flying V if you could find one you would not need to work for a while mine is custom made by a guy I work with at a custom guitar shop he does GREAT work I have three done by him not all V,s diff types but thanks again.;)

The Axman

[Davidallany]

Cops are not there to protect the public, but to make sure that stolen money and gold in The banks are safe. The system is made by The banks and work for The banks, police and courts are there to make sure of it. The rest is just a side show.

[folotheflo]

wow. now i've seen some bad s#'t in my time, but this kind of thing really upsets me, i mean really makes my blood boil. thank god ( only as a term of phrase) some one got it on video. i know these cops will get what they deserve wether in this life or the next, but sometimes i wish i could be the deliverer

[siggy]

If that happenned in England those cops would be in hospital. They would have been jumped by every man in the crowd.

cheers

K

The police in the UK would be in serious trouble for punching to the face / acting as in the video, as its clearly not using minimal force to restrain / arrest.

However, they do go unpunished when they contribute to the death of an innocent - by pushing him over from behind, whilst wearing armor / riot gear, whilst policing a demonstration.
Go figure!
If you go up against the police anywhere, you've got a hard fight ahead.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Cops are not there to protect the public, but to make sure that stolen money and gold in The banks are safe. The system is made by The banks and work for The banks, police and courts are there to make sure of it. The rest is just a side show.

My brother is a cop. He is there to protect the public. He is appalled when something like this happens. So are many of his cop buddies. Some people want all cops to be bad so they have a common oppressor to wail against. There is no single unified "cop other". Police departments are very different from location to location. Cops are people with families, hopes, and dreams. Some of them are bad. Some of them are in bad department cultures and don't know how to react. There is no such thing as "the cops". If we objectfy them, we have co-created the problem.

[Davidallany]

Cops are people with families, hopes, and dreams. Some of them are bad. Some of them are in bad department cultures and don't know how to react
So are military personnel, who invade countries and kill innocent people. In their opinion they are doing good.I didn't know that your brother is a cop, brother. This not personal so don't feel.. that it is.

[Lord Sidious]

Cops are not there to protect the public, but to make sure that stolen money and gold in The banks are safe. The system is made by The banks and work for The banks, police and courts are there to make sure of it. The rest is just a side show.

My brother is a cop. He is there to protect the public. He is appalled when something like this happens. So are many of his cop buddies. Some people want all cops to be bad so they have a common oppressor to wail against. There is no single unified "cop other". Police departments are very different from location to location. Cops are people with families, hopes, and dreams. Some of them are bad. Some of them are in bad department cultures and don't know how to react. There is no such thing as "the cops". If we objectfy them, we have co-created the problem.

Your brother is indeed there to protect the public, BUT, only if he is a peace officer.
If he is a law enforcement officer, he is a public policy enforcer and that is what was described above.
What you say about police describes all groups.
I know that when I joined the army, I thought we were all good guys. Then, some nugget stole my issue jumper and that woke me up to that.

[Revere]

I am not shocked by this here in America. Nope, this is par for the course. Many Cops have real psychological power issues and their training fosters these issues. A relative of mine did psychological counseling for many of them and they were very afraid of what they came across. The real fun thing is that they do not even think the law applies to them! Many Law enforcement types are quite sick here in America and I think they may be chosen for it. Yes, there are some misguided good ones mixed in.

But, the new ones are ex-military cops. Who knows about their back ground? But, these 20 year olds are scary as hell. I knew one who took a liking to a group of us at our fishing hole. He would stop by hang out and tell us how he wished someone would just give him a bit of a tuff time some day so he could use his training on them and bust them up! Then he’d talk about how he wanted to use his power to meet woman. Fill in the blanks…I kid you not! These topics came up every time he would stop by. Plus, I have plenty more stories you would not believe. But, here on an international forum, I will be a bit prudent! Never mind! Who do you think is watching us?

BTW did all of you miss the 60s riots, and the LA riots ( I left several out because they are probably Hot words I promise they scan for.) No abuse of civil rights during those situations, right? LOL. Other countries should have an advisory about coming here. If you come here do not tangle with them. They are above the law and any sort of reasonable behavior to most civilized people when they can justify it some way! The justice system is just as messed up.

Why do we not change it here? I am becoming convinced that half our population is brainwashed at any one time. Look at the idiots we vote into office. This guy in Atlanta will get off for his over the top tactics unless it hurts somebody else politically. Then he gets to be the one scapegoat for many.

We see it all the time! Help needed in the land of the Free...yea right! I need that Monty Python clip from the Holy Grail on oppression inherent in the system for some comic relief.

:mmph:
Peace,
-R-

[Second Son]

There is no such thing as a "good" cop or a "good" soldier... just good people who make naive, uninformed, and sometimes stupid decisions. In the case of the cops, they are enforcing corporate statutes and codes, and believe erroneously that these are laws. They are the strong arm of the PTB and exist solely to fill up the state coffers with fine monies, all the while creating an atmosphere in which We The People are forced to make more and more concessions and give up our rights one at a time "for our own good". In the case of the military, the scenario is the same, except they police outside our borders (mostly) Anyone who signs on the dotted line and agrees to blindly take orders and possibly murder for Haliburton/Mobil/KBR/BlacKwater shareholders is not "good" just misguided. IMHO

[ktlight]

Cops are not there to protect the public, but to make sure that stolen money and gold in The banks are safe. The system is made by The banks and work for The banks, police and courts are there to make sure of it. The rest is just a side show.

But they swear on oath to protect the public before they take up office.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am always upset when I see abuses of power, whether from police or elsewhere. I lived in Oakland where the Oakland Housing Authority would plant drugs on people and abuse them with dogs. I have also dealt with darker elements of the Berkley PD, some of whom are really good guys and gals (the PD I mean, not the darker ones).

As bad as the average police culture in America has gotten, it could be worse. Have you dealt with police in Mexico, Thailand, etc? The honest cops that are out there are the last line of defense standing between us and a completely corrupt system where cops pull you over just to shake you down for a quick bribe.

All I keep saying is, do we feed this beast and co-create it, or do we try to find a way to transform it?

My favorite cops were the ones in Japan. If you were drunk in public, they would make sure you got home safely rather than arrest you. Cool guys.

[Mike]

just awful awful. gives me a sick feeling. don't even really know what else to say about this...

[king anthony]

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I say, I know my words will not win favor but has not "passive resistance" been promoted by "the few" for "their" agenda!? Have not different standards been imposed for "the few" and the masses.

The names mentioned had accomplished next to nothing or nothing at all (said respectfully), only the illusion of it - proof can be seen "here" and "today". If my words are not true then why did the English never really leave and the lands remained part of the "common wealth" - did not the other not follow the teachings of the first and died for it!?

I say, would you passively resist if another comes to harm you or your loved ones - has it worked for those used in example!?


Many times, In America, folks are shot for assaulting a police officer. I do not blame them for not beating up the cops. The consequences would have been as bad, or worse.

I say, "they do not have enough bullets" for the masses!!

This is why it is important for the masses to unit and say "no more" - and learn how to live as human beings can and should.


...this type of thing you see how fast they pull them and call in back up and then somebody gets shot

I say, who has favor in numbers!?

[king anthony]

Many Law enforcement types are quite sick here in America and I think they may be chosen for it.

I say, if corporations have been professionally profiled as sociopathic (through actual research and study), then what standard is imposed to be successful as a (corporate) "business" person - or the ones who serve them!?

[ktlight]

I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I say, I know my words will not win favor but has not "passive resistance" been promoted by "the few" for "their" agenda!? Have not different standards been imposed for "the few" and the masses.

The names mentioned had accomplished next to nothing or nothing at all (said respectfully), only the illusion of it - proof can be seen "here" and "today". If my words are not true then why did the English never really leave and the lands remained part of the "common wealth" - did not the other not follow the teachings of the first and died for it!?

I say, would you passively resist if another comes to harm you or your loved ones - has it worked for those used in example!?


The two men whom I mentioned changed the world. Have you been to the Martin Luther King Museum in Memphis? We all know their names and we all know what they did. They did cause things to change for the better.

If I were forewarned about harm coming to my loved ones, I would take measures to resist it. If not, they would have to get past me - this is what I imagine. In the final analysis, this is just an illusion.

[king anthony]

The two men whom I mentioned changed the world. Have you been to the Martin Luther King Museum in Memphis?

If I were forewarned about harm coming to my loved ones, I would take measures to resist it. If not, they would have to get past me - this is what I imagine. In the final analysis, this is just an illusion.

I say, has not history been told the way it was wanted - with an agenda to promote a specific thought or even concept!? How, does visiting such place enlighten one to the realities of the world - I say this not to be confrontational, rather to make clear of my thought. For the (using your words) "measures to resist it" - would that be of "word or sword" - your answer is already implied.

It is "sad" that violence (of any kind to any degree) is a part of reality; and that some who wish it not, must in order to survive.

[Noble Hops]

A shocking video has emerged showing an off-duty Atlanta officer punching a woman in the face, an incident that has triggered outrage amid rampant police brutality across the US.

Since when do "off-duty" officers wear full uniform and badge? Not to sound like a tool or 'cop lover', but strictly based on the clip itself, the unknowns are such that it may be premature to jump to conclusions. What led up to the scuffle between the cop and the gal sitting down? Three in the morning at an IHOP would tell me they were probably plastered, loud, and obnoxious. If the fuzz were called out for that, get up when they tell you and don't assault them? Fill me in if I'm missing something.

What would Dirty Harry do?

[ktlight]

The two men whom I mentioned changed the world. Have you been to the Martin Luther King Museum in Memphis?

If I were forewarned about harm coming to my loved ones, I would take measures to resist it. If not, they would have to get past me - this is what I imagine. In the final analysis, this is just an illusion.

I say, has not history been told the way it was wanted - with an agenda to promote a specific thought or even concept!? How, does visiting such place enlighten one to the realities of the world - I say this not to be confrontational, rather to make clear of my thought. For the (using your words) "measures to resist it" - would that be of "word or sword" - your answer is already implied.

It is "sad" that violence (of any kind to any degree) is a part of reality; and that some who wish it not, must in order to survive.

I understand King Anthony that your intentions are honourable in this discussion.

Measures to resist could mean other things.

Have you never spoken to people who marched, say, with Martin Luther King? Visiting the Museum brought me to tears. I hadn't realised so much about that movement. I came away humbled. It portrays the realities of the world.

I accept that nature is violent. I think it is sad to know that even history of external cultures were warring. In the religions, the positive and negative forces are at war. When were we ever free of wars on this planet?

Animals do not war. They are violent only in survival, to eat or procreate.

I do get your point though.

I hope you get mine.

[NancyV]

Until we know the full story we can't completely judge what was going on just by that video, in my opinion of course. If some women were told to quiet down by the cops and did not quiet down, then they were asking for trouble. They probably also told the cops to "F" off, but we don't know that. What I saw was an obviously upset and maybe drunk woman who was resisting the cop taking some kind of bag from her. She was fighting against him confiscating or taking it by pulling on it. Then she put her hands on him which is legally assault. So she may have been resisting arrest AND assaulted him.

Then he over reacted and slapped her once, she then hit him 3 times. The other cop tried to pull her away and the one cop then punched her in the face. She continued fighting and was probably cussing at them. No matter how bad it looks she was resisting arrest or at least having the bag taken from her. She assaulted the cop first and he over reacted.

My first husband was a Chicago cop. He was unhappy with all the corruption so I urged him to quit and do something else. It was also depressing for him to have to deal with some of the most nasty people you can imagine, and I'm talking about the general public. Cops can develop a lot of psychological problems from having to scrape dead people off the road after accidents, seeing women beat up by their husbands, children abused, victims of rape, incest, etc. It's a thankless job for the most part and it does tend to make many of them more callous and quicker on the trigger.

My present husband quit being a deputy sheriff, which he only did for a short time, when he responded to a domestic violence call where a man was badly beating up his wife. He walked in, pulled the man off his wife and while he was cuffing him the woman stabbed my husband in the back with a knife. He decided it just wasn't worth trying to help people. He was also an MP in the Army for a while.

So when you immediately judge someone from a video it really isn't the whole story all the time. We don't know what that woman was doing to have the cop try to take that bag from her. You absolutely don't refuse to let a cop confiscate something from you unless you want to have a whole lot of trouble. For SURE you do not lay your hands upon the cop because it is considered assault. I personally doubt that this cop would be convicted of a crime unless it turns out to be a politically correct decision. The bottom line is the woman was STUPID to argue and resist the cop.

I never like to see a strong man punch a woman and he may get suspended for his actions, but I don't like to hear all cops vilified. There may be a day when you will be grateful that you can call the cops for help. People are the same no matter whether they are soldiers or cops or whatever. Some are good, some are nasty, some have control issues, etc. Try living in a city with no cops and just the crooks and criminals in charge with a free reign. It wouldn't be a pretty picture and would be a lot worse than it is now.

Nancy

[Lord Sidious]

Cops are not there to protect the public, but to make sure that stolen money and gold in The banks are safe. The system is made by The banks and work for The banks, police and courts are there to make sure of it. The rest is just a side show.

But they swear on oath to protect the public before they take up office.

Sure they do, but how many do you see keep that oath?
How many are used to collect revenue instead?




I would rather do a Ghandi or a Martin Luther King than contribute to violence.

I say, I know my words will not win favor but has not "passive resistance" been promoted by "the few" for "their" agenda!? Have not different standards been imposed for "the few" and the masses.

The names mentioned had accomplished next to nothing or nothing at all (said respectfully), only the illusion of it - proof can be seen "here" and "today". If my words are not true then why did the English never really leave and the lands remained part of the "common wealth" - did not the other not follow the teachings of the first and died for it!?

I say, would you passively resist if another comes to harm you or your loved ones - has it worked for those used in example!?


The two men whom I mentioned changed the world. Have you been to the Martin Luther King Museum in Memphis? We all know their names and we all know what they did. They did cause things to change for the better.

If I were forewarned about harm coming to my loved ones, I would take measures to resist it. If not, they would have to get past me - this is what I imagine. In the final analysis, this is just an illusion.

I hate to break this to you, but martin king, aka martin luther king is a phoney.
Yeah, a phoney.
For one thing, he was a communist.
Secondly, for an alleged preacher, he was sexually promiscuous.
Rosa parks is another one, she also was a communist.
All they were out to do was upset the system as it was and make it easier for marxism to take over.
It worked.
It took over.

[ktlight]

I hate to break this to you, but martin king, aka martin luther king is a phoney.
Yeah, a phoney.
For one thing, he was a communist.
Secondly, for an alleged preacher, he was sexually promiscuous.
Rosa parks is another one, she also was a communist.
All they were out to do was upset the system as it was and make it easier for marxism to take over.
It worked.
It took over.

Lord Sidious, Where in the world is the politics claimed actually practised? Are you saying that the US is communist/marxist? If so, I would disagree and say that it is fascist.

Yes, I did know that he was promiscuous but only insofar as I heard it on TV. If it were a fact in his life, I would face it because he was a young man and young men AND WOMEN tend to be promiscuous. In those days, I think it was called free love. If I had been in his shoes, I would certainly have wanted to upset the system that was causing me to sit at the back of the bus, enter premises through the back door, apartheid. Are you saying that you approve of such a system?

I don't see any marxism in US, although, as I said, I do see fascisim, certainly no democracy.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Sid, you say communist like it's a bad thing. ;):cool:

edit- Alll I really know about Dr. King are his speeches. And I do love his speeches.

[king anthony]

I don't see any marxism in US, although, as I said, I do see fascisim, certainly no democracy.

From this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14763-nonviolent-revolution-handbook&p=150012#post150012):

Dictatorship: the appearance of one - 'same as' - Communism: the government (the appearance of the few) control corporations - 'same as' - Democracy: the corporations (the non-appearance of the few) control the government = (in theory) 51% of the population can take away the rights of 49% = corporate policy rules the people as they have been made into 'law' (voluntary compliance) = Dictatorship (the CEO or president) controls.

I say, is it not clear what is seen!?

[Lord Sidious]

I hate to break this to you, but martin king, aka martin luther king is a phoney.
Yeah, a phoney.
For one thing, he was a communist.
Secondly, for an alleged preacher, he was sexually promiscuous.
Rosa parks is another one, she also was a communist.
All they were out to do was upset the system as it was and make it easier for marxism to take over.
It worked.
It took over.

Lord Sidious, Where in the world is the politics claimed actually practised? Are you saying that the US is communist/marxist? If so, I would disagree and say that it is fascist.

Yes, I did know that he was promiscuous but only insofar as I heard it on TV. If it were a fact in his life, I would face it because he was a young man and young men AND WOMEN tend to be promiscuous. In those days, I think it was called free love. If I had been in his shoes, I would certainly have wanted to upset the system that was causing me to sit at the back of the bus, enter premises through the back door, apartheid. Are you saying that you approve of such a system?

I don't see any marxism in US, although, as I said, I do see fascisim, certainly no democracy.

It does appear to be fascist but that is because a lot of us don't realise what type of communism is prevalent in the west.
They have used a type of gradual communism rather than revolutionary.
Plus, communism isn't what you think it is, it is actually monopoly capitalism.
Democracy as used now is actually a light version of communism, it is the tyranny of the masses.
It is two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu.


Sid, you say communist like it's a bad thing. ;):cool:

edit- Alll I really know about Dr. King are his speeches. And I do love his speeches.

It is a bad thing. Have you got any idea how dangerous communism is?
I would research his background if you care enough.
You don't have to care, I am just saying.

[Axman]

I cant say I have ever heard that one about the movement in the south. Remember that propaganda is the norm here in the USA.

The Axman

[Nyce555]

Not that the cops in this story were right, but I thought pretty much everyone knows that if you touch a police office in a situation like that. They are going to go crazy on you. I'm surprised she didn't get tazed or sprayed with mase. She should have known better to not touch the cops at all because they probably were talking loud. They should have just quieted down a bit until the officers left. When you go up against the police, you should know that you are going down everytime!

I got pulled over once and the officer was trying to taunt me on purpose to get a reaction out of me. I just kept calm and he got even more angry that I was remaining calm. He eventually had to let me go, because he had nothing on me after he ran my plates and divers license and saw that I never had any record what so ever. Best thing to do is to remain calm and say as little as possible.

[ktlight]

Not that the cops in this story were right, but I thought pretty much everyone knows that if you touch a police office in a situation like that. They are going to go crazy on you. I'm surprised she didn't get tazed or sprayed with mase. She should have known better to not touch the cops at all because they probably were talking loud. They should have just quieted down a bit until the officers left. When you go up against the police, you should know that you are going down everytime!

I got pulled over once and the officer was trying to taunt me on purpose to get a reaction out of me. I just kept calm and he got even more angry that I was remaining calm. He eventually had to let me go, because he had nothing on me after he ran my plates and divers license and saw that I never had any record what so ever. Best thing to do is to remain calm and say as little as possible.

The trouble is that we are not all the same at the same time. Some of us just blow up. Surely the police know this, that our tolerance levels vary, just as theirs, as was demonstrated.

[king anthony]

I just kept calm and he got even more angry that I was remaining calm. He eventually had to let me go, because he had nothing on me after he ran my plates and divers license and saw that I never had any record what so ever. Best thing to do is to remain calm and say as little as possible.

I say, what if greater was imposed, such as in the video posted (and others) - there is a time for "peace"; however, is there not a time for other when needed!?

[dmarie]

Many times, In America, folks are shot for assaulting a police officer. I do not blame them for not beating up the cops. The consequences would have been as bad, or worse. Remember, American cops carry guns.
With that said,,, I hope those cops get severely punished for their crimes.

True, but I was appauled by these "men's" reactions:
*below is a different video of this incident


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shJZCnPr9s&feature=related

[king anthony]

True, but I was appauled by these "men's" reactions:

It is not just the reactions of the people ("men") recording, but rather everyone - as no one helped the victim(s) of the crime.

[dmarie]

[QUOTE=dmarie;207445]It is not just the reactions of the people ("men") recording, but rather everyone - as no one helped the victim(s) of the crime.

Absolutely! I wasn't just referring to those recording, in fact, what really got me was the other table laughing...

[Snowbird]

Many times, In America, folks are shot for assaulting a police officer. I do not blame them for not beating up the cops. The consequences would have been as bad, or worse. Remember, American cops carry guns.
With that said,,, I hope those cops get severely punished for their crimes.

What about an off-duty police officer? That one was not on duty.

[Snowbird]

Because the concept is that they always know better and that we need to do as they say.
Hence me telling you guys to google that term.

Do we now address you as pater noster? :sarcastic:

[Lord Sidious]

Because the concept is that they always know better and that we need to do as they say.
Hence me telling you guys to google that term.

Do we now address you as pater noster? :sarcastic:

Nope, Dark Lord of the Sith is fine.