20. Lateral thinking... Eating weeds!

[Tony]

Perhaps we need some lateral thinking.
Pool our ideas together which is not
vertical thinking...some old, same old.

Feel free to express all crazy angles, or go back
to basics and look again. Find the inner genius!

Take the possible food control by our kind friends
at M'. My thinking is.....edible weeds!

Our ancestors, the indigenous peoples of this
planet used to forage.

Take a 'leaf' out of Ray Mears's book.
Study the natural planet, cultivate the edible stuff.
They self seed!

Big M' cannot spray the whole planet.

However some protein is needed, so meat of some
sort might be necessary. Eggs are very good for you!
Read Barry Groves, Trick and Treat.

Well, it's a start!

pie'n'eal

[dukes4monny]

I'm with you on this one pie'n'eal. I'm cultivating a nice crop of dandelions at the moment.........they taste quite nice straight from the lawn. Most of my neighbours have got rid of their lawns / gardens in favour of some slabs and concrete edifices..........I prefer the 'wilder' type of garden.
I am trying to educate myself a bit more about foraging for food.........I think it will be a useful skill in the coming years..........

[bilko]

HI pie n eal
I was under the impression we don't need to consume meat to get protein what we need is amino acids which are bountiful in leafy green herbs.
I heard that protein was the middle man which we get from eating meat, after all the cow didn't eat meat or need protein, neither did the chicken to make eggs. Although i am aware that chickens will eat anything.
What my heart tells me is 'eat the sun'. As far as i'm concerned we are essentially batteries anyway. The body is literally the vehicle that moves the head around and it needs fuel.

I am hoping that one day soon this long debate about protein will be cleared up once and for all.
As for Ray mears - i have to say that if ever there was a modern role model, he is it. I own all of his dvds and have followed him since country tracks was on the box.

I tried a dandelion head straight from the ground the other day and it was delicious, very sweet. Unfortunately my neighbor mowed the lawn a few weeks ago so there were no greens.
Hunter gathering is great for small communities but not for sustaining large populations. However i do think food is one thing that people could take responsibility for individually even if its just learning about what they eat.

I learned nearly everything from this man - another excellent role model.

http://www.youtube.com/user/liferegenerator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTuQQrIinVU&feature=feedu
All you need to know in a nutshell, can, you, diggit?!

[Tony]

Dear Duke4monnt,
I'm having to rethink everything.
Barry Grove suggests what we are told to eat is part of the conspiracy, it is making us ill.

Very few people die of old age now.

It is to do with the balance of carbohydrates, sugars and fats.
He is suggesting that cholesterol is not bad, the body need fats.
Carbohydrates are not so good.
One has to keep open minded on all this, and not make assumption about our present knowledge!

Plus the health authorities together with the pharmaceutical companies are creating industrial slaughter.

[Tony]

Hello Bilko,
I'm sure you are right. However every individual is slightly different.
I was vegetarian for years, and am now paying for it.
Maybe our dietary needs are to do with our early years..?

[bilko]

Dear Duke4monnt,
I'm having to rethink everything.
Barry Grove suggests what we are told to eat is part of the conspiracy, it is making us ill.

Very few people die of old age now.

It is to do with the balance of carbohydrates, sugars and fats.
He is suggesting that cholesterol is not bad, the body need fats.
Carbohydrates are not so good.
One has to keep open minded on all this, and not make assumption about our present knowledge!

Plus the health authorities together with the pharmaceutical companies are creating industrial slaughter.

Right on!:)
When we eat cooked foods deficient in enzymes the body doesn't recognize it as food and so has to leech vitamins, nutrients and minerals as well as its own stock of enzymes from other parts of the body.
Please take at look at Dan in the latter video i just posted. I think you will find him informative, entertaining and very genuine.

[bilko]

Hello Bilko,
I'm sure you are right. However every individual is slightly different.
I was vegetarian for years, and am now paying for it.
Maybe our dietary needs are to do with our early years..?

Bless you pie n eal for being so modest in your rebuttal ( not sure if that is the right word lol )
I don't know the answers, i just go with what sits right. I believe a mixture of fruit, seeds, nuts, and leafy green herbs is a great healing modality but not necessarily good for long term nutrition. Also Inelia and Bill put me onto something last night which i am still coming to terms with. That is being in gratitude for the animals life that you take can actually raise the vibration of the meat you eat from it.
It sounds right but i still have so many unanswered doubts.
Anyway, i am on a SAD diet interspersed with moments of guilt where i have green juices atm.

Dan is an excellent teacher but i didn't realize you posted before me.

[Tony]

Dear Bilko,

I am questioning everything.

This is meant kindly.
You say “With what sits right.” How do you know?

Everything we though about this world is proving wrong.
Maybe what we think, is also wrong.
That is why we need some lateral thinking.

I to can trot out nice cliches....but it does make it right.
Healthy eating has now become big business.
I am actually questioning eating foreign foods. It is their food!

Since we were introduced to 'healthy eating' our health has
deteriorated dramatically.

Question everything, cross check everything... even your own mind!

[bilko]

I don't know, when i say 'sits right', its usually what i feel.:)
Although i am a meat eater i still don't understand how killing animals can be right, that is why i am still trying to work out what Inelia and Bill said.
I do it anyway because i am weak.
Ultimately i think the best we can do is be true to ourselves and that usually means following the heart.
There is another gauge i learned - 'What would happen if everyone did it?'

We do what we can, sometimes more, sometimes less.
Lessons learnt, teachings, have been lost, hidden, replaced by religion, a new way.
Thanks:)

[Tony]

Ok, this should put the cat among the pigeons.
I just read the vegetarians have smaller brains.

Being a vegetarian I can't understand this....!!!?

[jjl]

The way I see it, we are all food. But when we choose flesh for a protein, we must remember the virtue of gratitude.

er... I'd like to modify the "we" to I.
(Perhaps in the spirit of the day, I meant the royal we);)

[bilko]

Hi jjl
Not playing devils advocate but another interesting question has popped up regarding this for me.
Does any other mammal give thanks when it kills?
If not then are they subject to the lower vibration?
Or is it as simple as them being on a different evolutionary path?

Its not a trick question but it brings me back to thinking 'what makes us different from beasts?'
Surely they have souls and intelligence too albeit not as refined as ours. Maybe it is consciousness?
I suppose they kill because they have to in order to survive.
They have different digestive systems i suppose which means they can't live on fruit and veges.

there are a whole load of maybes and explanations i suppose.
I just find it interesting is all.

Edit
Not different digestion, maybe that they don't have thumbs so they can't harvest greens, i dunno.

[jjl]

Hi jjl
Not playing devils advocate but another interesting question has popped up regarding this for me.
Does any other mammal give thanks when it kills?
If not then are they subject to the lower vibration?
Or is it as simple as them being on a different evolutionary path?




The other comment I meant to make was that I dont believe brain size equates enlightenment. (Thank God!) I think the truely enlightened being thinks with the entirity of their being. An instinctual response and loss of ego. Does this make animals more or less evolved? I cannot say. Each species brings thier own special instincts to the table of life.
P.S. I eat meat, just not a ton of it. In the USA pork and beef production has destroyed entire eco systems.

[ulli]

Long before the Intenet I watched a documentary about a baby born with no brain, just fluid in the cranium....
then turns out he functioned as a normal human...had scientists baffled

there was some brain tissue, the size of cherries, near each ear... maybe the documentary was fake, I dunno...

spirit can find a way, I say...
including clones.

[jjl]

I guess there is no way for me to know what every animal thinks, but perhaps they feel true gratitude when the are eating it.

[nomadguy]

What if we human are so BAD at growing food that we are actually only eating 10% of the foods we should be eating, and that the strains of food that we are not eating have gone wild and barren, mostly to suit different mammals other than us that still eat them. Back to the garden yall!

Here is a great source about edible foraging - http://www.youtube.com/user/feralkevin

[Tony]

Dear Nomadguy,

I am totally useless at all this, but I intend to learn fast. I've just found out that one can use rapeseed oil in a diesel motor.
This could make an excellent generator! though for some reason the authorities may not like it.........so I didn't just say that!
Am now looking for a way to make a steam engine!!

all the best
pie'n'eal