Arthurian Dynasty-In Search of the Prince of Wales (Cymry)

[Lettherebelight]

In the wake of the opulent wedding of William and Catherine, I attempt to bring forth truth, regarding the royal lineage of the region of Brittania and the real connection to the House of David. The real story may surprise you, as well as its connection to the people of Wales (Cymry).

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Alan Wilson, who battles against mainstream ox-bridge historians, and is as yet un-interviewed by PC or PA, presents his 30 years of inspired research on his website:

http://kingarthurslegacy.com/

I urge everyone to take a look, and discover the real Arthurian dynasty, understand its Welsh connections and see the origins in the 'Holy Land'.

[Lettherebelight]

Here is a very good introduction to the work of Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett..

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[ROMANWKT]

I am first generation British

My origin is SAXON.

Do you want an apology.

[Lettherebelight]

I submit this copied post from the Prince William update thread, by kind permission of fellow Avalonian and scholar, Bryn ap Gwilym:



Re: Prince William update.



For the record. The english so called royals are frauds, just as their alleged bloodline back to David & Solomon are part of the make believe script that folk keep on quoting as gospel over & over.
Far too many so called truth preachers use this incorrect version of history as their foundation of everything around them. Their foundations are based on a lie. In essence everything else they preach must also be a lie?

Suppressed & correct version.
Omri & his son Ahab are the correct kings of Israel. They were NOT Jews, but kings of the Omrides aka as the Kymry, Khumree etc & todays Cymry (Welsh).
There were other kingdoms also linked to Omri for it was a multicultural & advanced society. These kingdoms all had their own unique ID, but all answered to Omri.

The so called jews only came into being a 1000 yrs ago. They have stolen the Omrides timeline, history, culture etc.
Judah was in the far south & only consisted of about 19 small tribes/sheep farmers.
Judaism is a religion & NOT a race of people.

Hence the english royal bloodline is false & nothing but a lie.

The original Royal Cymry bloodline is alive and well, but remains in the background until....

Sorce:
Myself
Behistun rock
Black Obelisk of Shalmaneser III
Mesha Stele
Hu Gadarn
ROYAL INSCRIPTION OF SARGON II OF ASSYRIA
Tombstone of Darius
Migration of the Cymry
Shlomo Sand
Norman Finkelstein
etc etc etc.

Seeing the report is by the beeb it is bias & leaves out the fact that the real bloodline watches on.
Protests in Cymru over 5 days while the world watches the charade
Royal wedding alternative option at Machynlleth
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/midwales...00/9403646.stm

[Lettherebelight]

No worries about being Saxon, Romanwkt, I too am of Saxon heritage. :)...more like about the hi-jacking of the real story.

[Rocky_Shorz]

no luck opening the link...


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[ROMANWKT]

No worries about being Saxon, Romanwkt, I too am of Saxon heritage. :)...more like about the hi-jacking of the real story.

No worries Lettherebelight I don't care I'm only joking, but I am saxon on my mothers side.but that why they did not kill her during the Nazi reign
regards to you
roman.

ps, they killed her first husband and daughter, and when I was about 16 I asked her about my father who was now dead 3 years, what do you know about dad, and she told me of her first husband and child, then she told me that she only married my father for children, right I thought bloody Saxon mentality,ha-ha
roman.

[Lettherebelight]

That's interesting, the link worked well enough when it was posted on the Prince William update thread.

It was about a situation in Wales where someone was being prosecuted for insisting on using the Welsh (Cymry) language. Very sad. Any inquiries will be gladly met by Bry ap Gwilym, who originally posted the link.

I understand the heritage and history of Wales (Cymry) is forever being suppressed by TPTB.

@ Romanwkt, glad to hear that...must have been my Saxon sense of humour (or lack thereof!) kicking in. Lol

[truthseekerdan]

I thought this video will make a good addition here. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3H2hB21OOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3H2hB21OOU

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

no luck opening the link...


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Try this one buddy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/midwales/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9403000/9403646.stm

Edit:
Lettherebelight Hi.
Remember what I said?

Folk come to this forum demanding the truth, but in essence that's the last thing they want to hear, especially when its totally at the different end of their spectrum.
Its so much easier for folk to live in their fluffy bubbles & to play dress-up.

Are folk yet ready? The few comments here have answered that.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks to you, Bryn.

Like the steady drip of a pure mountain stream, the persistent presentation of the truth wilL, eventually, wear away the rock of falsehood and lies.

I agree, people may not be ready, there's a lot going on in the world ATM, and events are happening quickly, many are preoccupied with this.

In spite of this, the truth cannot be allowed to be buried under apathy, lost to future generations.

I think if people could be certain there still existed a direct line of succession, they would feel more enlivened to seek the truth.

[9eagle9]

My maternal and paternal forebears Irish and Welsh have always prided themselves on not having a drop of saxon blood in them. (No offense to saxons or anglo saxons). A great uncle of mine claimed he'd leave Wales and watch it burn before being infected...lol. The Welsh in my family would take the face of of anyone who suggested they were English and the stories they told about Celtic myth and history were far different than what common history told. It appears now as more of this emerges they were right. My family were as relentless about blood as the snootiest elite. My great grandmother claimed the elite stole the term 'blue blood' from the Celts as we were once known as the Blue People.

But they have their own little secrets. They talk about emigrating to the US when in fact we were run out of dodge (Feins). It was either immigrate or hang in the gallows.

We grudgingly allowed some Scots in because my family always said The Scots are really just prim Irish people with airs...lol.

Oh boy family pride. You gotta love it.

No offense to anglo saxons or saxons.....(smile)

[Lettherebelight]

Your heritage explains your bold, unrelenting expression of your truth, 9eagle9 :)

A breath of fresh air for sure.

[Seikou-Kishi]

If anybody said to an Indian "you are not really British" there would be an uproar. When people say "the English should bugger off back to Germany" it's all "oh yes, please do accept my apologies for treading on your illustrious grass, most noble Welshman"

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

If anybody said to an Indian "you are not really British" there would be an uproar. When people say "the English should bugger off back to Germany" it's all "oh yes, please do accept my apologies for treading on your illustrious grass, most noble Welshman"

A prime example of someone not doing any study at all. Instead their defence mode kicks in. Soon the flame wars will begin as they try their upmost to keep folk in the dark.
Your avatar tells me all I need to know.

[Lettherebelight]

Welsh-->Cymry-->Omri

The truth is there, but you've got to get around those that seek to hide it.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Omri

[siggy]

I've watched a couple of the Alan Wilson lectures and want to get some of his books to investigate more. I also found his discussions about the coelbren alphabet interesting. I can accept his views / research, he knows his stuff and I feel he is sincere.

But, even if you take Alan's research as the truth, what does this mean?

Britain (and everywhere) has been conquered at one time or another, with the victors writing their own version of history and suppressing / moulding 'the truth'.

I'm not trying to be flippant here, I am very interested in this history, but I must be missing something because I'm not seeing where this leads / why anyone would be persecuted for holding these views!?!? So the 'english' have german ancestry, with a bit of viking no doubt, and the welsh are originally from syria - so what (other than it's interesting to unravel and research)!?!?

[Seikou-Kishi]

If anybody said to an Indian "you are not really British" there would be an uproar. When people say "the English should bugger off back to Germany" it's all "oh yes, please do accept my apologies for treading on your illustrious grass, most noble Welshman"

A prime example of someone not doing any study at all. Instead their defence mode kicks in. Soon the flame wars will begin as they try their upmost to keep folk in the dark.
Your avatar tells me all I need to know.

So what, you're trying to claim ownership of the whole of Great Britain, or are you going to share it with the Scots who share your petulant inferiority complex?
But do enlighten me, what is it that my avatar tells you?

[Lettherebelight]

I'm not trying to be flippant here, I am very interested in this history, but I must be missing something because I'm not seeing where this leads / why anyone would be persecuted for holding these views!?!?

That's exactly what I want to know!

Where does it lead? It leads to the person who is in line from Arthur.

There, it is said. :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

what is the story of the Templars who were kicked out of London in 1943?

[Rocky_Shorz]

can anyone tell me more about...


The family of "Washington" can trace their roots back to the ancient Kingdom of Northumbria, which stretched from Firth of Forth, in the north, to the River Tees in the south on the eastern side of the country, straddling the border between England and Scotland. It included the towns of Edinburgh (now in Scotland) Berwick, Newcastle, Durham and Hartlepool (now in England).

The "original" Washington, is situated on a tract of Land between the River Tyne and River Wear, a "Centre of Learning" and a "Cradle of Christianity" in 1000 A.D. It was here that the first ever book, other than the bible, was written in England, by Bede - "An Ecclesiastical History of the English Speaking Peoples". It was from here that the English language and Christianity was spread to the Americas and around the world.

And it was here that the Monks of St Cuthbert lived at Chester le Street, a few miles away from Washington for 100 years, protecting the remains of St Cuthbert and the Lindisfarne Gospels before they they fled from the Vikings in 995 A.D. then returned to Durham where they built Durham Cathedral where both St Cuthbert and St Bede...

link (http://www.ancestryuk.com/WashingtonAncestry.htm)


By 1000 A.D. the Vikings had converted to Christianity and with the Hyltons of Hylton Castle defending the mouth of the River, and the Wessygntons defending both sides of the river at Offerton and Wessygnton, "Lamtun", the "estate of the lambs" where many of the desendents of monks of St Cuthbert lived with their families, Finchale Abbey , the new city of Durham were safe from invaders via the river. The people of Durham at that time considered their first responsibility to defend the Durham church and the relics of St Cuthbert even before king and country...


"Over a thousand leagues of sea

Rich in promise of things to be

From a Durham Village the seed was blown

And in far Virginian field was sown

Little seed of a mighty tree"

[Lettherebelight]

That is very interesting. Saint Cuthbert was a truly spiritually advanced ascetic. Thanks for that link.

If anyone could tell you about the Washington connection, it would probably be Bryn ap Gwilym. Maybe that's the link to the inscription on the Washington Monument that he (Bryn ap Gwilym) has as his signature....?

[Amenjo]

Hi Lettherebelight.

Fascinating topic, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

True history is never quite the same as we were taught at school!

Has anyone heard about Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd, according to folklore he was a Welsh prince who sailed to America in 1170 and created settlements in the Mid-west.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

[Rocky_Shorz]

interesting...


"In 1834 a dinner was held by the Welsh residents of New York, presided over by E. W. Davis, and aided by T. Ingram Tones and the late Daniel L. Jones. The success of the dinner suggested the idea oi organizing a Welsh national society, and a draft of the constitution nnd by-laws for such a society was made. Out of this initiative grew the present St. David Society, which has helped hundreds of distressed Welshmen who have stranded on their arrival In the United States. Daniel L. Jones was president in 1863. Among its presidents have been Gen. Thomas L. James. Hon. Noah Davis, Ellis H. Roberts, the present United States Treasurer, and a score of other prominent Americans. It was through Mr. Jones that the government permitted a stone to be placed in the Washington monument to represent the little principality. This stone was imported from a quarry near Swansea. It bears the following inscription: Fy iaith. Fy Ngwlad, Ky Nghenedl. Wales. Cymru am Byth! Mr. Daniel L. Jones was a faithful, consistent and patriotic Welshman."

the vault (http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/index.php?entry=entry080416-201138)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Has anyone heard about Madoc ab Owain Gwynedd, according to folklore he was a Welsh prince who sailed to America in 1170 and created settlements in the Mid-west.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madoc

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

the Vikings traveled to the Midwest with the Templars, and left the Kensington Runestone in the late 1300s

discussion link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9584-Swedes-brought-Templars-to-MN-to-hide-ancient-treasures-in-1342...&p=82689&viewfull=1#post82689)

Maybe they were following the trail from Gwynned

[siggy]

I'm not trying to be flippant here, I am very interested in this history, but I must be missing something because I'm not seeing where this leads / why anyone would be persecuted for holding these views!?!?

That's exactly what I want to know!

Where does it lead? It leads to the person who is in line from Arthur.

There, it is said. :)

Okay, but who was living in Britain before the Welsh / Omri arrived? Was the land stolen from those who were there before? Or was it an empty Island?
That aside, how did the Arthur's come to be Kings? Were they so nice the people asked them to rule, or did they take the title by force? Is there a Welsh faction who didn't like the Arthurian line?

At the end of the day if you go back far enough, in any country, you'll find someone not happy with their lot who feel (maybe justifiably so) like they've been shafted somewhere along the way. History is littered with Kings who've been overthrown by the next conquering King, so....

[Rocky_Shorz]

so Kate goes back to Durham, and has family lines leading to the beginning of America...


Following the engagement of Prince William to Kate Middleton this week, the former pit village can celebrate another royal connection. Genealogists who have traced Kate’s ancestry back to the 19th century have discovered that James Harrison, who left Newcastle during the industrial revolution to seek his fortune in the booming coal mining industry, was Kate’s great-great- great-great grandfather.

link (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/212435/Kate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palace/Kate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palaceKate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palaceKate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palaceKate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palaceKate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palaceKate-Middleton-From-pit-to-palace)

link (http://books.google.com/books?id=e-0OAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA1124&lpg=PA1124&dq=James+Harrison+gearge+washington+ancestry&source=bl&ots=YYAfEqMSU9&sig=UIq9kqI26dhOZ4LcTDnyRtym7bQ&hl=en&ei=FMu9TaHSOIe0sAOtu-DKBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&sqi=2&ved=0CEMQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false)


The country was named after its inhabitants. The Welsh trace their ancestry to two distinct groups of people—the Iberians who arrived from southwestern Europe in Neolithic times and the Celtic tribes who arrived on the island in the late Bronze Age. Fierce fighters, they resisted the Anglo-Saxon invaders, who could not understand their language and called them wealas (strangers). They called themselves Cmry (fellow countrymen); and, although populations and cultures overlap between Wales and England, Wales and its culture remain distinct. Wales occupies about 8,000 square miles and is the size of a small New England state. Since virtually all farms are no more than 50 miles from the shore, Wales has maintained its own connections with the outside world.
HISTORY

With the collapse of Roman power in the 400s, Germanic tribes from Northern Europe began settling in southeastern Britain. Most numerous were the Angles and the Saxons, related peoples who became the English. The Celts resisted this long influx of alien settlers but were gradually pushed west. By about 800, they occupied only Britain's remotest reaches where their descendants live today: the Highland Scots, the Cornish of the southwest coast, and the Welsh. The Irish are also Celtic.

Over the coming centuries, the Welsh, isolated from other Celts, developed their own distinctive culture. However, their identity would always be shaped by the presence of their powerful English neighbors. Wales became a western refuge from the invasion and conquest by hostile tribes from Europe, as well as for puritanical dissenters against English culture. Not only did this refuge lie farther west than most conquerors could effectively extend, its geography made it inaccessible. Later, Wales became a site from which England extracted resources and prefigured the position that colonial America assumed.

link (http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Sr-Z/Welsh-Americans.html)

Iberians - from Spain...

I B erian - again ending in "erians" - sumerians... ;)


Celtic presence in Iberia likely dates to as early as the 6th century BC, when the castros evinced a new permanence with stone walls and protective ditches. Archaeologists Martín Almagro Gorbea and Alvarado Lorrio recognize the distinguishing iron tools and extended family social structure of developed Celtiberian culture as evolving from the archaic castro culture which they consider "proto-Celtic"...
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtiberians)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so the history of England goes back at least 700,000 years...

link (http://books.google.com/books?id=QAyq9CmPPPYC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=dna+history+of+England+who+came+first&source=bl&ots=XFG7zOyZrU&sig=-HkVc0CIf3MSEkmuPHEnl03Z4uU&hl=en&ei=ctC9TYfVA426sAPRouHQBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=dna%20history%20of%20England%20who%20came%20first&f=false)

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Please study the references which Lettherebelight has kindly supplied. Hard evidence which is written in stone & going back over 2500yrs +. Asking the same questions will rapidly become tiresome.

All your question are answered in those references.

If you have question's after you have studied I will be more than happy to answer them. There is more than enough to keep you all going for at least several months.

Rocky_Shorz
Allegedly the Washingtons & the anglicised Davis surname are one in the same & come from a Cambria / Cambrian (north), but that is open for debate.

Seikou-Kishi Seikou-Kish
If you wish to engage in a flame war and divert folk from the truth, by all means I'll play, but we will do it elsewhere.
There is no way you have studied any of those references in such a short time frame.

[MariaDine]

In the wake of the opulent wedding of William and Catherine, I attempt to bring forth truth, regarding the royal lineage of the region of Brittania and the real connection to the House of David. The real story may surprise you, as well as its connection to the people of Wales (Cymry).

j617mImHVvk&feature=related

Alan Wilson, who battles against mainstream ox-bridge historians, and is as yet un-interviewed by PC or PA, presents his 30 years of inspired research on his website:

http://kingarthurslegacy.com/

I urge everyone to take a look, and discover the real Arthurian dynasty, understand its Welsh connections and see the origins in the 'Holy Land'.

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The historians know this fact, for years, but it's great to have Genetics to back it up !


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http://www.britannia.com/history/arthur/kaking.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

Please study the references which Lettherebelight has kindly supplied. Hard evidence which is written in stone & going back over 2500yrs +. Asking the same questions will rapidly become tiresome.

All your question are answered in those references.

If you have question's after you have studied I will be more than happy to answer them. There is more than enough to keep you all going for at least several months.

Rocky_Shorz
Allegedly the Washingtons & the anglicised Davis surname are one in the same & come from a Cambria / Cambrian (north), but that is open for debate.



calm down, we're interested in learning answers, this is great info you are sharing and I'll try to stay on topic... ;)

so tell me about the Attacotti and the Druids that build Stonehenge 4500 years ago

[Rocky_Shorz]

who's DNA did the King's match that built stonehenge?


Unfortunately researchers have proven this age-old theory linking Stonehenge's construction to the Druids impossible. Through modern radio carbon dating techniques, scientists have discovered that its builders completed Stonehenge over a thousand years before the Celts ever inhabited this region, eliminating Druids from the possibilities. Usually Druids worshipped in marshes and forests, but it has been verified that they did use Stonehenge occasionally as a temple of worship and sacrifice when they moved into the region...

link (http://www.aboutstonehenge.info/index.php?pg=who-built-stonehenge)

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here we go...


Tests reveal Amesbury Archer ‘King of Stonehenge’ was a settler from the Alps

The man who may have helped organise the building of Stonehenge was a settler from continental Europe, archaeologists say.

The latest tests on the Amesbury Archer, whose grave astonished archaeologists last year with the richness of its contents, show he was originally from the Alps region, probably Switzerland, Austria or Germany. The tests also show that the gold hair tresses found in the grave are the earliest gold objects found in Britain.

The grave of the Archer, who lived around 2,300BC, contained about 100 items, more than ten times as many objects as any other burial site from this time. When details were released, the media dubbed the Archer “The King of Stonehenge”.

The grave was found three miles from Stonehenge, near Amesbury in Wiltshire, last May during an excavation by Wessex Archaeology, based nearby at Salisbury, in advance of the building of a new housing scheme and school.

The Archer was obviously an important man, and because he lived at the same time that the stones at Stonehenge were first being built, archaeologists believe he may have been involved in its creation.

Tests were carried out on the Archer’s teeth and bones and on the objects found in the grave, which included two gold hair tresses, three copper knives, flint arrowheads, wristguards and pottery. They show that he came from the Alps region, and that the copper knives came from Spain and France. This is evidence of the wide trade network that existed in the early Bronze Age. The gold dated to as early as 2,470BC, the earliest gold objects found in Britain...

link (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074020/posts)

[Dorok]

I still have yet to see anything to convince me that someone else's genetics are better than mine or that someone else's country's settlers were more important in some way. This all sounds a bit nationalistic and racist to me. Like someone trying to claim 'First!' on the world...

[Ria]

I would like to know more about the Cymry Royal blood line and related material, also the old alphabet
Thank you I look forward to hearing any contribution
Ria

[Rocky_Shorz]

Alexander the Great,

Alexander himself had made known his wish to be buried at the well-known temple of the supreme Egyptian god Ammon Ra in the remote oasis of Siwa, in the Egyptian-Libyan desert. Alexander had made a crucial visit to this oracular shrine in 331, when he had taken Egypt from the Persians.
link (http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200103/alexander-the.great.mystery.htm)
http://kerdowney.com/uploads/image/Siwa_Oasis.jpg

With a population of 23,000, Siwa was, for a long time, the most inaccessible of all Egypt’s Oasis until very recently. It became an adventure travel destination once its notoriety began to rise. The region which lays some 60 feet below sea-level includes a rich history. Notably, Alexander the Great visited to consult the Oracle of Amun in 331 BC. Accomplished archaeologists, such as Liana Souvaltsis, have implied that the great general was buried here, but no factual evidence exists of this. Legends abound of mystical protections which cover the oasis... link (http://kerdowney.com/resources/blog/the-siwa-oasis-an-adventure-travel-destination-like-no-other/)


2340 BC: Sargon I of Kish builds a new capital, Agade (Akkad, later Babylon) and adopts the Semitic language Akkadian instead of Sumerian
2334 BC: Sargon defeats Lugalzagesi conquers Uruk, Ur, Lagash and Umma, thus uniting Akkadian and Sumerian peoples, thus becoming the first emperor in history
2330 BC: Sargon's daughter Enheduanna is a poetess
2320 BC: Sargon invades Lebanon and the Taurus Mountains and creates the Akkadian empire
2300 BC: the Amorites (Semitic people) migrate from Arabia to Syria
2278 BC: Sargon dies and is succeeded by his son Rimush, who sacks Elam
2254 BC: Akkadian king Naram Sin, another son of Sargon, further expands the empire, east and north
2217 BC: Naram Sin dies and is succeeded by his son Sharkalisharri
2200 BC: Royal graves of Alaca Hoyuk (Anatolia, 200 kms northeast of Ankara)
2180 BC: the Akkadian empire is destroyed by the Guti, who invade from the north, and the Elamites of Susa regain their independence
2150 BC: the Sumerians of Lagash revolt against the Guti
2125 BC: Gudea becomes king of Lagash and builds the monumental sanctuary of Eninnu
2116 BC: the Sumerians of Uruk revolt against the Guti
2112 BC: Ur-Nammu of Uruk recreates the Sumerian empire and rebuilds Ur, including the temple of Nanna and the three-terraced ziggurat
2100 BC: the Hurrians settle in the mountains between Mesopotamia and Anatolia and found the holy city of Urkish
2094 BC: Ur-Nammu dies and is succeeded by his son Shulgi/Dulgi, who expands the Sumerian empire to Susa and to the north, bordering the Amorites to the west, the Elamites to the east and the Hurrians (Indo-European people) to the north
2046 BC: Shulgi dies
2018 BC: the Sumerian empire disintegrates
2017 BC: the Sumerian governor of Mari, Ishbi Erra, establishes his own dynasty with capital at Isin
2007 BC: the Elamites of Susa capture Ur
2000 BC: the game of chess ("shatranj") develops in Persia
1932 BC: Gungunum becomes king of the Amorites with capital at Larsa, builds the E-Babbar temple and conquers Ur and Elam
1900 BC: the cities of Assur and Nineveh form an Assyrian kingdom
1900 BC: the Sukkalmah dynasty seizes power in Elam, turning it into a regional power
1900 BC: the Epic of Gilgamesh is redacted in the semitic language of Babylon
1900 BC: the Assyrians emerge from the holy city of Ashur (north Iraq) to establish colonies in Anatolia with headquarters in Nesa (Kanes, Kultepe)
1894 BC: Babylon is conquered by an Amorite dynasty
1834 BC: an Elamite, Warad Sin, becomes king of Larsa
1810 BC: Amorite dynasties seize power in the cities of Ugarit (Lebanon), Aleppo (Syria), Ashur and Mari
1809 BC: Shamshi-Adad conquers the cities of Mari, Ashur and Ekallutum, and thus creates the Assyrian empire
1800 BC: the Hittites invent irons and build the first weapons made of iron
1800 BC: the Babylonians employ a duodecimal system (a system based on 12 and 6) to measure time
1794 BC: Larsa (king Rim-Sin) conquers Isin
1792 BC: Hammurabi, sixth king of the Amorite dynasty, is crowned king of Babylon
1787 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-states of Uruk and Isin
1775 BC: Work begins on the Etemenanki, the ziggurath to god Marduk, in Babylon
1764 BC: Hammurabi defeats the Elamites
1763 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Larsa, and thus Ur, Uruk, Isin
1761 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Mari
1755 BC: Hammurabi creates the first code of laws using the Babylonian language
1750 BC: Hammurabi dies and the Babylonian empire dissolves into city-states
1725 BC: Kutir-Nahhunte I revolts against the Babylonians and Elam regains its independence
1725 BC: Pithana, king of Kussara, conquers Nesa
1700 BC: Babylonians invent the first windmills for the purpose of irrigation
1700 BC: Anitta of Kussara, Pithana's son, ruling from Kussara, conquers eastern Anatolia
1700 BC: the "Enuma Elish" (creation story of the Babylonians) originates
1680 BC: Labarna of Kussara reaches the Mediterranean Sea
1650 BC: Hattusili, son or nephew of Labarna, founds the Hittite kingdom, moves the capital from Kussara to Hattusa (150 kms east of Ankara) and adopts the language of Nesa
1640 BC: Hattusili fights the kingdom of Iamhad (with capital in Aleppo)
1600 BC: Hattusili's son Mursili becomes king of the Hittites
1595 BC: the Hittites under king Mursili I conquer the kingdom of Iamhad (Aleppo) and raid Babylon, thus ending the Amorite dynasty
1590 BC: the Hittite king, Mursili, is assassinated by Hantili, who becomes king
1590 BC: the Hittites install the Kassite dynasty (originating from the Central Asian steppes) in Babylon
1530 BC: the Kassites build a new capital, Durkurigalzu
1525 BC: Telipinu becomes king of the Hittites
1500 BC: a caravan trader, Abraham, leads nomads from Sumer to Canaan and then on to Egypt (Hebrews)
1480 BC: king Parattarna invades the lands of the Hurrians and creates the (Indo-European) Mitanni empire in northern Mesopotamia/Syria with capital in Wassuganni
1475 BC: the Mitanni king Parattarna conquers the kingdom of Aleppo and installs Idrimi as a vassal
1458 BC: the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis III defeats the Mitannis and conquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Saustatar conquers Assyria and reconquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Artatama and the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis IV sign a peace treaty
1365 BC: king Asuruballit restores independence to Assyria
1350 BC: the city of Ugarit (Syria) employs an alphabet of 32 letters
1344 BC: Suppiluliuma becomes king of the Hittites
1340 BC: King Untash-Napirisha of Elam founds a new capital at Chogha Zanbil
1339 BC: king Suppiluliuma of the Hittites conquers the Mitanni empire and establishes two viceregal kingdoms in Aleppo and Carchemish
1307 BC: Adadnirari I becomes king of Assyria and defeats and destroys the Mitanni empire
1275 BC: Khumbannumena expands the Elamite empire
1274 BC: the Egyptian king Rameses II is defeated by the Hittite king Muwatallis II at the city of Kadesh
1259 BC: peace treaty between Egyptians (Ramesses II) and Hittites (king Hattusili III)
1250 BC: the Hebrews return from Egypt and establish a kingdom in Palestine
1250 BC: the Assyrian army employs iron swords, lances, metal armors
1250 BC: the Assyrians divide the circle into 360 degrees
1250 BC: the Elamites build the ziggurat at Choga Zambil, the largest of all times
1237 BC: Hittite king Hattusili III dies and is succeeded by his son Tudhaliya IV, who builds a palace on the acropolis of the capital, Hattusa
1225 BC: the Assyrians under king Tukulti-Ninurta I capture Babylon
1208 BC: the Assyrian king, Tukulti-Ninurta I, is murdered by his son
1200 BC: the Philistines settle along the shores of Palestine
1200 BC: the Arameans migrate from Arabia to Syria (Harrans)
1200 BC: the Phoenicians move from the Arabian peninsula to the Mediterranean coast
1185 BC: the Hittite empire collapses under the invasion of the "Sea Peoples"
history timeline... (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/neareast.html)

sea people as in Atlantis, or...?

[siggy]

I would like to know more about the Cymry Royal blood line and related material, also the old alphabet
Thank you I look forward to hearing any contribution
Ria

Good luck with that. The standard response seems to be study the previous links provided (and then do your own research and learn another language).

I've watched some of the provided links and found the info very interesting (plus I'm trying to learn Welsh - from before I came across this info / thread, which is why I find it all so interesting) and I'll be probably get some of Alan Wilson's books; but is it worth years / months of study / research? Hmm, dunno! Probably not in my case.
But its interesting.

[Aurelius]

interesting thread

[Rocky_Shorz]

The Celt-Iberian Spain

The Greeks referred to the original inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula as Iberians. There are, however, several different populations. According to archaeological, anthropological and genetic research, the Iberians should have arrived to the peninsula at the time of the Neolithic (5000 - 3000 BC).

Some scientists believe that they came originally from the eastern Mediterranean, others believe that they were related to the founders of the megalithic culture (UK, Ireland, France), of which there are numerous findings also in Spain.

The most advanced Iberians were undoubtedly the Tartessos, who founded the oldest Western-European high culture, and their descendants "Turdetanos" and "Turdulos".

By 1200 b.C. Celtic tribes entered the peninsula from the north, mixing up with Iberians and so generating the celt-iberian race. The origin of the bask race living in the north of the country is uncertain, but many historians suppose that it goes back to a pre-iberian population...
link (http://www.red2000.com/spain/primer/hist.html)

so the Welsh started in Spain and had the Celtics join them from the north...

The Welsh didn't come from the Celts, they came from the eastern Mediterranean area...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Tartessos...


Another puzzle lies in the origin of the megalith culture. We all know Stonehenge or the alignments of Carnac, bearing witness to that culture. The origin of this culture (ca. 5000 BC) is to be found in the south of Spain where Gadeirus and the lost kingdom of Tartessos are supposed to have been located. The megalith culture was strongly influenced by the northern part of Africa. Were Atlantean refugees the conveyors of culture to that region? That could be possible since, according to the records of North African tribes, the western island kingdom was known as Atarantes or Atlantioi...
link (http://www.atlantia.de/atlantis_english/myth/atlantis/atlantis_spain_tartessos.htm)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Iberian...


The prehistoric populations of North Africa are related to the wider group of Paleo-Mediterranean peoples. The Afroasiatic phylum probably originated in the mesolithic period, perhaps in the context of the Capsian culture.[15][16] By 5000 BC, the populations of North Africa are an amalgamation of Ibero-Maurisian and Capsian stock blended with a more recent intrusion associated with the Neolithic revolution.[17] Out of these populations, the proto-Berber tribes form during the Late Bronze to Early Iron Age... link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people#Origins)[18]


Recent fieldwork indicates that the culture existed in the region from around the timing of the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM), at 20,000 BP, until the Younger Dryas.[4] The culture is succeeded by the Capsian, which was originally thought to have expanded into the Maghreb from the Near East,[5] although later studies have indicated that the Iberomaurusian were the progenitors of the Capsian...
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibero-Maurisian)

[Rocky_Shorz]

now look at the link between the Caspian and Capsian...


The Capsian culture (named after the town of Gafsa in Tunisia) was a Mesolithic culture of the Maghreb, which lasted from about 10,000 to 6,000 BCE. It was concentrated mainly in modern Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, with some sites attested in southern Spain to Sicily. It is traditionally divided into two horizons, the Capsien typique (Typical Capsian) and the Capsien supérieur (Upper Capsian) which are sometimes found in chronostratigraphic sequence. They represent variants of one tradition, the differences between them being both typological and technological.[1][2]

During this period, the environment of the Maghreb was open savanna, much like modern East Africa, with Mediterranean forests at higher altitudes.[3] The Capsian diet included a wide variety of animals, ranging from aurochs and hartebeest to hares and snails; there is little evidence concerning plants eaten.[4][5]. During the succeeding Neolithic of Capsian Tradition, there is evidence from one site, for domesticated, probably imported, ovicaprids. [6]

Anatomically, Capsian populations were modern Homo sapiens, traditionally classed into two "racial" types: Proto-Mediterranean and Mechta-Afalou on the basis of cranial morphology. Some have argued that they were immigrants from the east, [7] whereas others argue for population continuity based on physical skeletal characteristics and other criteria,[8] et cetera.[4][8][9]

Given its widespread occurrence in the Sahara, the Capsian culture is identified by some historical linguists as a possible ancestor of the speakers of modern Afroasiatic languages of Africa and the Middle East which includes the Berber languages in North Africa[10].

Nothing is known about Capsian religion, but their burial methods suggest a belief in an afterlife. Decorative art is widely found at their sites, including figurative and abstract rock art, and ocher is found coloring both tools and corpses. Ostrich eggshells were used to make beads and containers; seashells were used for necklaces. The Ibero-Maurusian practice of evulsion of the central incisors continued sporadically, but became rarer.

The Eburran industry which dates between 13,000 and 9,000 BCE in East Africa, was formerly known as the "Kenya Capsian" due to similarities in the stone blade shapes.
info link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsian_culture)

the ark landed by the Caspian Sea...

[TimelessDimensions]

I am King Arthur.

[Lettherebelight]

:hail: Well, that's a real threadstopper, my dear TD...!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am King Arthur.

what crimes did your family commit to get tossed out of England to the Prison Isle?

when did you lose the family uni-brow?

[thunder24]

now look at the link between the Caspian and Capsian...


The Capsian culture (named after the town of Gafsa in Tunisia) was a Mesolithic culture of the Maghreb, which lasted from about 10,000 to 6,000 BCE. It was concentrated mainly in modern Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, with some sites attested in southern Spain to Sicily. It is traditionally divided into two horizons, the Capsien typique (Typical Capsian) and the Capsien supérieur (Upper Capsian) which are sometimes found in chronostratigraphic sequence. They represent variants of one tradition, the differences between them being both typological and technological.[1][2]

During this period, the environment of the Maghreb was open savanna, much like modern East Africa, with Mediterranean forests at higher altitudes.[3] The Capsian diet included a wide variety of animals, ranging from aurochs and hartebeest to hares and snails; there is little evidence concerning plants eaten.[4][5]. During the succeeding Neolithic of Capsian Tradition, there is evidence from one site, for domesticated, probably imported, ovicaprids. [6]

Anatomically, Capsian populations were modern Homo sapiens, traditionally classed into two "racial" types: Proto-Mediterranean and Mechta-Afalou on the basis of cranial morphology. Some have argued that they were immigrants from the east, [7] whereas others argue for population continuity based on physical skeletal characteristics and other criteria,[8] et cetera.[4][8][9]

Given its widespread occurrence in the Sahara, the Capsian culture is identified by some historical linguists as a possible ancestor of the speakers of modern Afroasiatic languages of Africa and the Middle East which includes the Berber languages in North Africa[10].

Nothing is known about Capsian religion, but their burial methods suggest a belief in an afterlife. Decorative art is widely found at their sites, including figurative and abstract rock art, and ocher is found coloring both tools and corpses. Ostrich eggshells were used to make beads and containers; seashells were used for necklaces. The Ibero-Maurusian practice of evulsion of the central incisors continued sporadically, but became rarer.

The Eburran industry which dates between 13,000 and 9,000 BCE in East Africa, was formerly known as the "Kenya Capsian" due to similarities in the stone blade shapes.
info link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsian_culture)

the ark landed by the Caspian Sea...

So if the people around the Capsian sea were linguist ancestors for the middle east, and if The Khazars were actually from the tribe of Simeon, Then Kurdistahan would have been a blending back of some of the tribes of Israel that had went Eastward? And then if Mary/bloodline/what ever you wanna call it traveled to the Isles in the United Kingdom, Everybody would be related to everybody? And if the ark landed in Kurdistahan then the people there would have already been of the pre- Israilite lineage?
Interesting.
peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

it is a very small world...

could Atlantis have been an undersea "bunker" made by ETs to ride out a catastrophe? Onyx said the "red" was from radiation exposure... has this planet been through a nuclear war before?


most importantly, did leprechauns come from under the sea? ;)

[thunder24]

Doesn't the Vedas and sitchens work portray nuclear type wars?

According to Sitchin, Nibiru (called "the twelfth planet" because, Sitchin claimed, the Sumerians' gods-given conception of the Solar System counted all eight planets, plus Pluto, the Sun and the Moon) was the home of a technologically advanced human-like extraterrestrial race called the Anunnaki in Sumerian myth, who Sitchin states are called the Nephilim in Genesis. He wrote that they evolved after Nibiru entered the solar system and first arrived on Earth probably 450,000 years ago, looking for minerals, especially gold, which they found and mined in Africa. Sitchin states that these "gods" were the rank-and-file workers of the colonial expedition to Earth from planet Nibiru.

Sitchin wrote that Enki suggested that to relieve the Anunnaki, who had mutinied over their dissatisfaction with their working conditions, that primitive workers (Homo sapiens) be created by genetic engineering as slaves to replace them in the gold mines by crossing extraterrestrial genes with those of Homo erectus.[5][6] According to Sitchin, ancient inscriptions report that the human civilization in Sumer, Mesopotamia, was set up under the guidance of these "gods", and human kingship was inaugurated to provide intermediaries between mankind and the Anunnaki (creating the "divine right of kings" doctrine). Sitchin believes that fallout from nuclear weapons, used during a war between factions of the extraterrestrials, is the "evil wind" described in the Lament for Ur that destroyed Ur around 2000 BC. Sitchin states the exact year is 2024 BC.[7] Sitchin says that his research coincides with many biblical texts, and that biblical texts come originally from Sumerian writings.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin


Scientist find radiated ancient city in India.

The radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.
For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.http://scienceinvedas.blogspot.com/2006/12/ancient-city-found-irradiated-from.html

[Lettherebelight]

Yes, the Vedas speak of nuclear weapons (astras). There is an entire part of the Vedas, the Dhanur Veda, dedicated to the military sciences, and all aspects pertaining to them.

This knowledge was carefully guarded and only shared amongst bramanas and ksatriyas. They knew that in the wrong hands, this knowledge could have a devastating affect on human society.

[TWINCANS]

Does anyone else here have past life memories of Atlantis in the final years?
My understanding is that the Annunaki are way, way different than the Atlanteans yet both had to live for periods together on earth. Also that Atlantis was divided into four sectors for the four peoples that settled it. Also that in the early days Lemuria was still a major force and that those 'people' were also very very different. Then before that was Mu and so on and so on. I believe that earth's history of settlement is many, many millions of years old. Very complex.

The 'bad guys' in my opinion are definitely the Annunaki and the race they 'made.' Once the Annunaki left, their 'children' left behind were very angry and still are.

[9eagle9]

So we've been told that every one moved from east to west, but more evidence is coming to light that folks moved from west to east.Which really makes a lot more sense than trying to flumfoozle and make timelines and artifacts fit a certain criteria. I had always been under the impression that the Welsh were of spanish extraction but ...that may have come later.





The Celt-Iberian Spain

The Greeks referred to the original inhabitants of the Iberian Peninsula as Iberians. There are, however, several different populations. According to archaeological, anthropological and genetic research, the Iberians should have arrived to the peninsula at the time of the Neolithic (5000 - 3000 BC).

Some scientists believe that they came originally from the eastern Mediterranean, others believe that they were related to the founders of the megalithic culture (UK, Ireland, France), of which there are numerous findings also in Spain.

The most advanced Iberians were undoubtedly the Tartessos, who founded the oldest Western-European high culture, and their descendants "Turdetanos" and "Turdulos".

By 1200 b.C. Celtic tribes entered the peninsula from the north, mixing up with Iberians and so generating the celt-iberian race. The origin of the bask race living in the north of the country is uncertain, but many historians suppose that it goes back to a pre-iberian population...
link (http://www.red2000.com/spain/primer/hist.html)

so the Welsh started in Spain and had the Celtics join them from the north...

The Welsh didn't come from the Celts, they came from the eastern Mediterranean area...

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I am King Arthur.

But I'm the one with the Stonehenge Action Playset....

[Rocky_Shorz]

I finally found good info on the Picts...


It is in the sculptured stones of Scotland, left behind by the Pictish and proto-Pictish people of ancient Alba and present day Scotland that we can find some information about a mighty race of people who defied and defeated Rome and who slaughtered the invincible barbarian hordes of Angles Germans at Nechtansmere in Angus, and hammered the invading Vikings back home thus forever preserving a separate culture and race in Scotland. It is in these sometimes mighty, sometimes delicate stones that the history of ancient Scotland is now recorded. Were they descendants of the ancient Basque people of northern Spain once known to Rome as Pictones, who then migrated to northern Britain after they had helped the Empire defeat the seagoing people of Biscay? Or are they descendants of the dark tribes of ancient Stygia and the huge Eastern steepes? No one knows - only the Stones...great info on Picts (http://halfmoon.tripod.com/)

Templar cross on an ancient stone?

http://www.catrionafraser.com/photographs/aberlemno.jpg

The greatest fighters of the age, suddenly disappear at the time of the first viking voyage to America 900-1000?

[thunder24]

Scottish people gets their name from an egyptian pharoahs daughter?


According the Irish origin myths, King Brigus built Breoghan's Tower or Brigantia in Galicia, and also the city of Brigantia or Braganza in Portugal. He also created the most ancient kingdom of Castile which was then also called after him or "Brigia." The ancient Celtic blood of the Castilians was later the driving force in the creation of the modern Spanish nation as the Kingdoms of Castile and Aragon joined under the crowns of Isabella and Ferdinand in the 15th century.

Some Victorian scholars, such as John O'Hart, submit that "Castile" (or "Castilla" or "Castle Land" in Spanish) itself was so called from the figure of a castle which Brigus bore for his Coat of Arms on his banner. The name of that ancient land, however, can only be historically traced to the Dark Ages. In any event, King Brigus, well used to conquering lands and establishing new kingdoms, sent a colony of his people into Britain. His invaders settled in that territory now known as the counties of Durham, Westmoreland, Lancaster, and perhaps Cumberland. These settlers were named after him and were called "Brigantes" by the Greeks. It was these people who ferociously opposed the Roman invader centuries later.

Of even more interest to Pictophiles, King Brigus' son was named Bile, and he was also a Celtic King of Spain. Several Pictish Kings were also called Bile or Bili, including its most famous King, the destroyer of the Angles at Dunnichen in 685 A.D. The name Bile is of high interest also to students of Celtic mythology. According to the Celtic Encyclopedia


"In British tradition he was called Bel or Belinus, but in Irish he was Bile. In some texts, he is said to come to Ireland from Spain - which is clearly intended to be the Land of the Dead. The fires of Beltaine were lit to mark his recognized feast. Very little is known of his mythos, but he, like Danu who is sometimes named as his consort, was a powerful ancestral deity to the Celtic races. (bil-ay) One of the names of the god of Death (i.e. of the Underworld), father of Miled; equivalent, Cymric god Beli, husband of Don".
Bile's son was Milesius, perhaps the most famous of all the Celtic Kings of Spain and the father of the Irish race. As a youth Milesius, distinguished himself as a warrior in Egypt and was also known as Galamh. According to Hynes:

"The original name of Milesius of Spain was, as already mentioned, "Galamh" (gall : Irish, a stranger; amh, a negative affix), which means, no stranger: meaning that he was no stranger in Egypt, where he was called "Milethea Spaine," which was afterwards contracted to "Miló Spaine" (meaning the Spanish Hero), and finally to "Milesiius" (mileadh: Irish, a hero; Lat. miles, a soldier)".


Because of his prowess as a warrior, Milesius was given the hand of Scotta, daughter of the Egyptian pharaoh. From her name comes the name of the Scottish people. He took her to Spain and they reigned as King and Queen of that European nation.

As legend has it, it was his uncle (or perhaps brother or even grandfather), Ith, who one clear day saw the outlines of Ireland from a high tower built by King Brigus. King Miled then sent a fleet of warriors to investigate and by the time it was all over and done, Ith was killed trying to solve a dispute between three kings in Ireland and as a result the avenging Sons of Mile conquered Ireland and defeated the Tuatha de Danaan. According to the Celtic Encyclopedia, the Danaan were:

"The people of Dana. They ruled Ireland after Nemed, according to the Book of Invasions, and were descended from one of his great-grandsons. They were supposed to come from the northern isles of Greece where they had learned all the arts of magic. They brought four treasures with them from these parts: the Stone of Fal from Falias, which screamed under the foot of every rightful king; the Spear of Lugh, which came from Gorias; the Sword of Nuada, from Findias; and the Cauldron of the Dagda from Murias. They fought long against the Fomorians and the Firbolgs, but were eventually vanguished by the Milesians, after which they retired to the Otherworld."
and the Firbolg people. Again, according to the Celtic Encyclopedia the Firbolg were:
"(fir vulag) Nemedian survivors who return to Ireland; name signifies 'Men of the Bags'; the FirBolg, FirDomnan, and Galionin races general-ly designated as the Firbolgs; the Danaan's and the Firbolgs; The first inhabitants of Ireland, according to ancient traditions, were the Firbolgs, who were conquered and driven into the Western Islands by the Tuatha De Danann. The Firbolgs became the first Fairies of Ireland, Giant-like, grotesque creatures. They and the Tuatha De Danann may be compared with the Titans and the Olynpic gods of Greece; They settled in Ireland, fleeing Greece where they had been enslaved and made to carry earth in bags. They afterwards made ships out of these bags and sailed to Spain. They held Ireland after the death of Nemed until the coming of the Tuatha de Danaan."
who at that point were the living in Ireland. It is thus that the Irish are known as "the Milesian race."
And thus we now come to the Pictish connection - probably more fable than truth, but present nonethelesshttp://halfmoon.tripod.com/Spain.html

[TimelessDimensions]

Y'all can stop looking because I'm the Prince of New South Wales ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so they crossed up through Morocco to Spain to settle from Egypt in Boats?

[thunder24]

Can you point to where the info is on morocco, or do you mean through the mediterrainian sea?
peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

looking at the earthquake in Spain 3 days after we were talking about it made me look a little closer into the history... map link (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.6986+-1.6725(M5.1+-+SPAIN+-+2011+May+11++16:47:25+UTC)&f=d&t=h&hl=e&ie=UTF8&ll=37.874853,-1.211243&spn=1.023302,1.766052&z=9)


Furthermore, the ancients also named the various tribes of northern Britain years before the Romans set foot on Britain and one of the most famous of all were the "Brigantes."

Some scholars believe that the Brigantes were named after a Spanish Celtic king. Breoghan (or Brigus or Bregon) who was king of Galicia, Murcia, Castile, and Portugal, and may have even reigned further south in Andalucia - all of which he conquered during the expansion of Celtic culture into Spain. The name "Obregon" is still quite common in northern Spain... link (http://halfmoon.tripod.com/Spain.html)

[Rocky_Shorz]

so the 13th tribe leads to...


Jacob's wives had twelve sons - the thirteenth tribe comes with the inclusion of his two grandchildren, Joseph's sons, who Jacob adopted as his own 'firstborn' sons, Manasseh and Ephraim are counted as one tribe. Dinah has not been included in the Israelite tribes, mainly because I have not done any research on her line as of present - maybe later... link (http://the-red-thread.net/unveiling-the-Israelites.html)


How did 'Dan' leap from Manasseh's territory? Well, I was just about to tell you, so get ready to set another good cookie. You see, in the summer of 1015 CE, Canute the Great, a son of a Danish King, set sail with his fleet of 200 long-ships, and an army of around 10,000 men. Canute was a Great 'Danite' and boosted about his large troop of Vikings warriors that were simply fearless. A gruesome warfare with England [Manasseh] took place for a period of fourteen months. This brutal war ended in 1016 with the agreement that England was to be divided between Denmark's Canute and England's Edmund Ironside, but as luck would have it, Edmund died on November 30, 1016, leaving England united under Danish rule, which continued until the death of Canute's son, Harthacanute in 1042. Thereafter, the kingdom of Manasseh - England, that is, was once again independent. There could have been other times, but this is the one I am using here. Canute liked to be known as the 'king of Christendom'.

Speaking of Christianity, the 'unHoly Roman Empire' was a German-state Empire from 843-1806 CE. These ten 'toes', I mean Germanic nations, emerged out of the eastern part of the Carolingian Empire. This situation with the unHoly Roman Empire ‘beast’ lasted until Napoleon put an end to it in 1806. Is it any wonder that Dan's name was omitted from the list of tribes in the book of Revelation? This unHoly Roman Empire was probably the evilest thing that ever existed on the face of the earth bar none. Dan, what were you thinking – talk about a devilish beast, listen to this:

“Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.” Both Denmark and Germany have had very power armies in the past, but the role Germany played throughout the Dark Ages, and not forgetting the years from 1930-1945, is inexcusable to say the least. For shame. Dan needs to redeem himself for sure. There I go judging Dan, must be a couple family lines from the tribe of Dan running through my veins.

Dan the Serpent: The serpent and the swastika are said to be siblings; the serpent as the darker side of power in the Universe, the swastika represents that force in motion.

Gen 30:6 And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore she called his name Dan, so the name ‘Dan’ means, to judge... link (http://the-red-thread.net/Dan-by-Betmatrho.html)

[Anno]

Is there an official term for when you post on a thread so you remember to read it tomorrow as you're about to go to bed? Whatever it's called, that's what this post is. =]

[Lord Sidious]

Is there an official term for when you post on a thread so you remember to read it tomorrow as you're about to go to bed? Whatever it's called, that's what this post is. =]

Placeholder?

[Anno]

Is there an official term for when you post on a thread so you remember to read it tomorrow as you're about to go to bed? Whatever it's called, that's what this post is. =]

Placeholder?

That doesn't really sound 'internet' enough does it. There should be a cool sounding word for it.

[Lord Sidious]

Is there an official term for when you post on a thread so you remember to read it tomorrow as you're about to go to bed? Whatever it's called, that's what this post is. =]

Placeholder?

That doesn't really sound 'internet' enough does it. There should be a cool sounding word for it.

I know!
How about nugget?
That is a cool word. :p

[Lettherebelight]

Cream-cracker crumbs left on the path through the woods?

[Anno]

I know!
How about nugget?
That is a cool word. :p

It is, but what if the thread turns out to be rubbish? Twould only be a pseudonugget then.


Cream-cracker crumbs left on the path through the woods?

I really like that, but I can see someone saying it's racist. You know what they're like on the internet.

[Carmen]

Interesting thread, my background is Welsh and Irish (maiden name Wyeth) and I have a Welch Cob Stallion called Gwladys LOL Does that count?

[Anno]

Ok I've read up. I think that the race we call the Celts could be the people who lived on Antarctica before it iced over and are the ones who made all those ancient maps. There's a link between them and what we call Scandinavian or Nordic but I don't know what it is yet. Something like Cousins I think.
I'm liking the crust displacement theory which would put Antarctica further north around where south america is today. Before that I'm thinking they came from Mars or the planet that was destroyed and created that asteroid belt thing we have between us and the outer planets.

As for the Arthur claimant, I lol'd. I get to choose who that is because I'm the Ouzel of Cilgwri aka Myrddin. That's Merlin to you anglotypes.

A few things I'd like to add...

Don't forget the Guanches of the Canaries while you're talking about Spain and Portugal. Pronounced wan-cheese not gorn-chez.

I also consider Wirral, Lancashire and Cumbria as Celtic. Not just Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Cornwall. They're more watered down but still very different from the 'other side' of the pennines. The Vikings who settled Iceland are the same ones (I think) that settled on The Wirral under Ingmund. Ing/Yng/Ynglings. Twas 200 years before the Edda was written down in Iceland.

That is all for now, I should be asleep.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks for this info, Anno. I'm sure you're right about the Wirral and northwest England having a strong Celtic heritage. There's something quite sparkly about the folks from that region too (Liverpool, Manchester etc)...very funny people.

[Anno]

Thanks for this info, Anno. I'm sure you're right about the Wirral and northwest England having a strong Celtic heritage. There's something quite sparkly about the folks from that region too (Liverpool, Manchester etc)...very funny people.

The first thing that made me think it is the accents. If you travel from Wales to Scotland along the west coast you hear the accents blending in to each other like they all originally came from one. That and the abundance of ginger people and celtic crosses. Then you have the anti-scouse type propoganda. Once I started trying to look in to the history it looked like the Brigantes and Cornovii were basically pushed over the Pennines as the Danelaw spread over the east and south.

Did you know that the oldest swastika in Europe is in West Yorkshire right by the only known Cornovii grave? In Ilkley where the four moors meet there is an abundance of marked stones and at least two known stone circles. Apparently from the Pennines to the Humber estuary was a sacred Celtic forest called Elmet. Ted Hughes wrote a book of poems based on it but it's like £600 on Amazon. Typical. Official history says it was Brigantes, so why is there a very elaborate Cornovii grave? Menwith Hill can be seen from the moor as it's just a little to the north in Harrogate.

Around 1100AD the Templars and Cistercians turned up and founded Kirkstall Abbey and Temple Newsham in what was then Loidis, now Leeds. The main Christian church site 'officially' dates back to 700AD.
Now the symbol of Leeds is the Owl and the city centre is packed with symbolism. Pretty much every building from around the 1800's has a flaming torch on it and there are obelisks, pyramids and domes sometimes in plain sight and sometimes hidden.
My favourite one is on the Queen's Hotel that is on top of the train station. Outside there is a statue of the 'Black Prince'. He's pointing in one direction but if you follow his eyes he's looking at a small obelisk that's tucked away on the front of the Hotel on what looks like a little balcony. If you didn't look for it you'd not see it.

My second favourite is a bit f****ed up. Opposite where the gay bars are, half way up a building is the grim reaper complete with scythe and underneath the words Tempus Fugit. I laughed when I spotted that one.

Each time I visit I get the feeling that there is ancient energy there and it is being deliberately polluted now. Most of the people in Leeds are transients, ie; students and immigrants. The ancient forest is now ofcourse gone. There's one tiny part left in Middleton but it is surrounded by a council estate. I think the only thing that saved it is that the last surviving section of an historical railway runs through it.

It's the best example I've seen of an ancient sacred site being taken over, desecrated and then pumped with negative energy by the 'illumined ones'.

[Lochinvar]

I finally found good info on the Picts...


It is in the sculptured stones of Scotland, left behind by the Pictish and proto-Pictish people of ancient Alba and present day Scotland that we can find some information about a mighty race of people who defied and defeated Rome and who slaughtered the invincible barbarian hordes of Angles Germans at Nechtansmere in Angus, and hammered the invading Vikings back home thus forever preserving a separate culture and race in Scotland. It is in these sometimes mighty, sometimes delicate stones that the history of ancient Scotland is now recorded. Were they descendants of the ancient Basque people of northern Spain once known to Rome as Pictones, who then migrated to northern Britain after they had helped the Empire defeat the seagoing people of Biscay? Or are they descendants of the dark tribes of ancient Stygia and the huge Eastern steepes? No one knows - only the Stones...great info on Picts (http://halfmoon.tripod.com/)

Templar cross on an ancient stone?

http://www.catrionafraser.com/photographs/aberlemno.jpg

The greatest fighters of the age, suddenly disappear at the time of the first viking voyage to America 900-1000?

The first highlighted bit suggests that Alba no longer exists. That is not the case. It does.

The second highlighted bit I don't believe. Repelled the Romans yes; defeated Rome? No.

Third highlighted bit. Britain didn't exist then. Mainstream media is currently trying to re-write history and pretend that Britain as an entity has existed for thousands of years. No. Since 1707.

Fourth highlight. Did the indigenous people tell the author that?

Peace, love and light.

[Lochinvar]

Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

Shwmae, sut dych chi?

I think it s a case that they don't care & don't want to know for their whole belief structure comes tumbling down. Their xenophobia upbringing is proof in itself as they launch into defence mode.
*One of the main reasons why I stay quiet now regarding many subjects*
Quite ironic really, seeing that they scream that they are now "awake" & want to know the truth.


"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James

yr Alban am byth

[JohannaStarr]

I'm not English I'm infinite conciousness :D

[seko]

Shwmae Bryn

I think there are some on this board that don't know (or don't care) about the difference between England and Britain (and with the media trying to re-write history it is difficult to blame them) so I wish you well in your quest to present properly a more detailed account of the history of Wales.

Cymru am byth.

Shwmae, sut dych chi?

I think it s a case that they don't care & don't want to know for their whole belief structure comes tumbling down. Their xenophobia upbringing is proof in itself as they launch into defence mode.
*One of the main reasons why I stay quiet now regarding many subjects*
Quite ironic really, seeing that they scream that they are now "awake" & want to know the truth.


"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic." -- Dresden James

yr Alban am byth

Shwmae bryn

sut dych chi?? (learning a the basics hihi)

I would like to learn more about welsh history, can you share it with us?? or guide us through links??

Diolch

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Seko. Iawn diolch a chi?

There is a crash course disguised in children's tales called the The Mabinogion.
Its an easy to follow version of history that will give you a good foundation for when & if you want to delve deeper.
The reason why its disguised as children's tales was to protect it from the book burners, but there is a catch.
The translation into English at the time was only permitted [sic] if Lady Charlotte Guest was at the wheel.
Her version is heavily anglicised & certain things have been altered in favour of her establishment at the time, but its close enough to get the jist.

The Mabinogion (http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/mab/index.htm)

[seko]

Seko. Iawn diolch a chi?

There is a crash course disguised in children's tales called the The Mabinogion.
Its an easy to follow version of history that will give you a good foundation for when & if you want to delve deeper.
The reason why its disguised as children's tales was to protect it from the book burners, but there is a catch.
The translation into English at the time was only permitted [sic] if Lady Charlotte Guest was at the wheel.
Her version is heavily anglicised & certain things have been altered in favour of her establishment at the time, but its close enough to get the jist.

The Mabinogion (http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/mab/index.htm)

Bryn, Da iawn diolch.

Thank you for the link. I found this link to get some basic words in Welsh.

http://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/welsh.php

[Anno]

I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

Hi
I'm afraid not, but I have just asked folk who should know. Its now up to them if they are willing to tell me or not, especially via electronic devices.
I'll let you know either way as soon as I know.

[Anno]

I picked up a copy of Y Geiriadur Mawr to help look deeper in to names. Looking at roots etc.

Bryn, do you happen to know anything about Winifrede's Well? From what I can tell there were two going back a long time. The Jesuits have Bruno/Buenos well and keep it pretty quiet and over the way you have Winifrede's with the Catholics camped out and people like the KOC going there.

They clearly took over pre-existing holy sites (I don't remember the original names) but why would they keep the Bruno/Beuno well hidden away with the Jesuits while the other one is publicly advertised as 'The Lourdes of Wales'?

Hi
I'm afraid not, but I have just asked folk who should know. Its now up to them if they are willing to tell me or not, especially via electronic devices.
I'll let you know either way as soon as I know.

Thanks Bryn! I appreciate it. I've spent a lot of time around Halkyn Mountain and I feel that an important part of the puzzle is hiding up there.

[Lettherebelight]

Thanks, Bryn, for bringing up the Mabinogian, which contains many histories of Arthur and his wife, Gwenhwyfar, as well as other 'kings of the island of Britain. I have Sioned Davies' translation, I would be interested to know what you think of this version? I must admit, I found it fascinating.

http://img2.imagesbn.com/images/15570000/15579276.JPGhttp://www.literaturewales.org/client_img/Sioned%20Davies1.jpg

http://www.literaturewales.org/writers-of-wales/i/130372/desc/davies-sioned/

[Lochinvar]

Ok I've read up. I think that the race we call the Celts could be the people who lived on Antarctica before it iced over and are the ones who made all those ancient maps. There's a link between them and what we call Scandinavian or Nordic but I don't know what it is yet. Something like Cousins I think.
I'm liking the crust displacement theory which would put Antarctica further north around where south america is today. Before that I'm thinking they came from Mars or the planet that was destroyed and created that asteroid belt thing we have between us and the outer planets.

As for the Arthur claimant, I lol'd. I get to choose who that is because I'm the Ouzel of Cilgwri aka Myrddin. That's Merlin to you anglotypes.

A few things I'd like to add...

Don't forget the Guanches of the Canaries while you're talking about Spain and Portugal. Pronounced wan-cheese not gorn-chez.

I also consider Wirral, Lancashire and Cumbria as Celtic. Not just Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Cornwall. They're more watered down but still very different from the 'other side' of the pennines. The Vikings who settled Iceland are the same ones (I think) that settled on The Wirral under Ingmund. Ing/Yng/Ynglings. Twas 200 years before the Edda was written down in Iceland.

That is all for now, I should be asleep.

Where did you hear this? It may help with your research to know that the land that most people now know as Scotland (most of it) used to be in the southern hemisphere.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Lettherebelight Hi

Yep, that's a better version again.
Its also wise to know the abc with that version. Hence the correct spelling of Avalon is really Afalon (pronounced the same). Knowing the abc makes the pronunciation & reading much easier & more enjoyable?

[Anno]

Ok I've read up. I think that the race we call the Celts could be the people who lived on Antarctica before it iced over and are the ones who made all those ancient maps.[...]

Where did you hear this? It may help with your research to know that the land that most people now know as Scotland (most of it) used to be in the southern hemisphere.

I didn't hear it, it just kind of jumps out at you. I was reading Hancock, Gray and Wilson talking about this lost civilisation and at the same time reading about the nazi expeditions to Tibet. Add in the Has White Man Colonised Earth thread and Crustal Displacement Theory, the Ancient Maps and stories/descriptions of those who 'brought' civilisation after the flood, then pick up the 'official' trail in Ancient Egypt, The Canaries, Portugal, Cornwall and where do you end up? In the same place the thermal current thingy in the Atlantic ends up, Wales and the North West coast of England, Scotland and then Iceland. Sea expressway from South America to Britain.

My money is on the Celtic/Scandanavians who I reckon are the same people and that's why we kept getting sold this nonesense image of Vikings with horned helments. Cornwall = Cornovii = People of the Horn.

That's about where I'm up to.

[Anno]

Lettherebelight Hi

Yep, that's a better version again.
Its also wise to know the abc with that version. Hence the correct spelling of Avalon is really Afalon (pronounced the same). Knowing the abc makes the pronunciation & reading much easier & more enjoyable?

Doesn't Avalon/Afalon have something to do with Apples in Welsh? I noticed in Tree Ogham the Apple is the 'resting place' or refuge from death. Given where we're told the 'druids' fled to in their last stand against the romans, we're back to North Wales.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Anno hi

Yes afal = apple, but sticking another bit on the end can & usually changes the whole meaning. The answer is hidden in the Mabinogi/Mabinogion. Easier said than done seeing todays language & abc was different to then.

Ynys Môn is the alleged last stand, but Afalon is linked to the south, but the Cymry are infamous for sending folk in the wrong direction & for very good reason.
You may want to check out the geography of a place called Bala in the North. ;)

The ancient language was Coelbren & not the Irish Ogham promoted by the english establishment who done their damned hardest to rubbish that there was a written language.
The Coelbren is found all round the world dating back thousands of years, but its all a mass hoax & people are confused & mistaken according to certain so called scholars.

Edit:
This may or my not shine a new light on things
http://cilmaen.wordpress.com/category/llantwit-major/

[Maia Gabrial]

Please, Bryn ap Gwilym, don't generalize about avalonians. We want to hear the truth about many things. Some of us need alittle more time for the truth to sink in....
You guys aren't the only ones who had their history and lives stolen from them....

[Rocky_Shorz]

Alexander the Great,

Alexander himself had made known his wish to be buried at the well-known temple of the supreme Egyptian god Ammon Ra in the remote oasis of Siwa, in the Egyptian-Libyan desert. Alexander had made a crucial visit to this oracular shrine in 331, when he had taken Egypt from the Persians.
link (http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200103/alexander-the.great.mystery.htm)
http://kerdowney.com/uploads/image/Siwa_Oasis.jpg

With a population of 23,000, Siwa was, for a long time, the most inaccessible of all Egypt’s Oasis until very recently. It became an adventure travel destination once its notoriety began to rise. The region which lays some 60 feet below sea-level includes a rich history. Notably, Alexander the Great visited to consult the Oracle of Amun in 331 BC. Accomplished archaeologists, such as Liana Souvaltsis, have implied that the great general was buried here, but no factual evidence exists of this. Legends abound of mystical protections which cover the oasis... link (http://kerdowney.com/resources/blog/the-siwa-oasis-an-adventure-travel-destination-like-no-other/)


2340 BC: Sargon I of Kish builds a new capital, Agade (Akkad, later Babylon) and adopts the Semitic language Akkadian instead of Sumerian
2334 BC: Sargon defeats Lugalzagesi conquers Uruk, Ur, Lagash and Umma, thus uniting Akkadian and Sumerian peoples, thus becoming the first emperor in history
2330 BC: Sargon's daughter Enheduanna is a poetess
2320 BC: Sargon invades Lebanon and the Taurus Mountains and creates the Akkadian empire
2300 BC: the Amorites (Semitic people) migrate from Arabia to Syria
2278 BC: Sargon dies and is succeeded by his son Rimush, who sacks Elam
2254 BC: Akkadian king Naram Sin, another son of Sargon, further expands the empire, east and north
2217 BC: Naram Sin dies and is succeeded by his son Sharkalisharri
2200 BC: Royal graves of Alaca Hoyuk (Anatolia, 200 kms northeast of Ankara)
2180 BC: the Akkadian empire is destroyed by the Guti, who invade from the north, and the Elamites of Susa regain their independence
2150 BC: the Sumerians of Lagash revolt against the Guti
2125 BC: Gudea becomes king of Lagash and builds the monumental sanctuary of Eninnu
2116 BC: the Sumerians of Uruk revolt against the Guti
2112 BC: Ur-Nammu of Uruk recreates the Sumerian empire and rebuilds Ur, including the temple of Nanna and the three-terraced ziggurat
2100 BC: the Hurrians settle in the mountains between Mesopotamia and Anatolia and found the holy city of Urkish
2094 BC: Ur-Nammu dies and is succeeded by his son Shulgi/Dulgi, who expands the Sumerian empire to Susa and to the north, bordering the Amorites to the west, the Elamites to the east and the Hurrians (Indo-European people) to the north
2046 BC: Shulgi dies
2018 BC: the Sumerian empire disintegrates
2017 BC: the Sumerian governor of Mari, Ishbi Erra, establishes his own dynasty with capital at Isin
2007 BC: the Elamites of Susa capture Ur
2000 BC: the game of chess ("shatranj") develops in Persia
1932 BC: Gungunum becomes king of the Amorites with capital at Larsa, builds the E-Babbar temple and conquers Ur and Elam
1900 BC: the cities of Assur and Nineveh form an Assyrian kingdom
1900 BC: the Sukkalmah dynasty seizes power in Elam, turning it into a regional power
1900 BC: the Epic of Gilgamesh is redacted in the semitic language of Babylon
1900 BC: the Assyrians emerge from the holy city of Ashur (north Iraq) to establish colonies in Anatolia with headquarters in Nesa (Kanes, Kultepe)
1894 BC: Babylon is conquered by an Amorite dynasty
1834 BC: an Elamite, Warad Sin, becomes king of Larsa
1810 BC: Amorite dynasties seize power in the cities of Ugarit (Lebanon), Aleppo (Syria), Ashur and Mari
1809 BC: Shamshi-Adad conquers the cities of Mari, Ashur and Ekallutum, and thus creates the Assyrian empire
1800 BC: the Hittites invent irons and build the first weapons made of iron
1800 BC: the Babylonians employ a duodecimal system (a system based on 12 and 6) to measure time
1794 BC: Larsa (king Rim-Sin) conquers Isin
1792 BC: Hammurabi, sixth king of the Amorite dynasty, is crowned king of Babylon
1787 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-states of Uruk and Isin
1775 BC: Work begins on the Etemenanki, the ziggurath to god Marduk, in Babylon
1764 BC: Hammurabi defeats the Elamites
1763 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Larsa, and thus Ur, Uruk, Isin
1761 BC: Hammurabi conquers the city-state of Mari
1755 BC: Hammurabi creates the first code of laws using the Babylonian language
1750 BC: Hammurabi dies and the Babylonian empire dissolves into city-states
1725 BC: Kutir-Nahhunte I revolts against the Babylonians and Elam regains its independence
1725 BC: Pithana, king of Kussara, conquers Nesa
1700 BC: Babylonians invent the first windmills for the purpose of irrigation
1700 BC: Anitta of Kussara, Pithana's son, ruling from Kussara, conquers eastern Anatolia
1700 BC: the "Enuma Elish" (creation story of the Babylonians) originates
1680 BC: Labarna of Kussara reaches the Mediterranean Sea
1650 BC: Hattusili, son or nephew of Labarna, founds the Hittite kingdom, moves the capital from Kussara to Hattusa (150 kms east of Ankara) and adopts the language of Nesa
1640 BC: Hattusili fights the kingdom of Iamhad (with capital in Aleppo)
1600 BC: Hattusili's son Mursili becomes king of the Hittites
1595 BC: the Hittites under king Mursili I conquer the kingdom of Iamhad (Aleppo) and raid Babylon, thus ending the Amorite dynasty
1590 BC: the Hittite king, Mursili, is assassinated by Hantili, who becomes king
1590 BC: the Hittites install the Kassite dynasty (originating from the Central Asian steppes) in Babylon
1530 BC: the Kassites build a new capital, Durkurigalzu
1525 BC: Telipinu becomes king of the Hittites
1500 BC: a caravan trader, Abraham, leads nomads from Sumer to Canaan and then on to Egypt (Hebrews)
1480 BC: king Parattarna invades the lands of the Hurrians and creates the (Indo-European) Mitanni empire in northern Mesopotamia/Syria with capital in Wassuganni
1475 BC: the Mitanni king Parattarna conquers the kingdom of Aleppo and installs Idrimi as a vassal
1458 BC: the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis III defeats the Mitannis and conquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Saustatar conquers Assyria and reconquers Syria
1400 BC: the Mitanni king Artatama and the Egyptian pharaoh Tuthmosis IV sign a peace treaty
1365 BC: king Asuruballit restores independence to Assyria
1350 BC: the city of Ugarit (Syria) employs an alphabet of 32 letters
1344 BC: Suppiluliuma becomes king of the Hittites
1340 BC: King Untash-Napirisha of Elam founds a new capital at Chogha Zanbil
1339 BC: king Suppiluliuma of the Hittites conquers the Mitanni empire and establishes two viceregal kingdoms in Aleppo and Carchemish
1307 BC: Adadnirari I becomes king of Assyria and defeats and destroys the Mitanni empire
1275 BC: Khumbannumena expands the Elamite empire
1274 BC: the Egyptian king Rameses II is defeated by the Hittite king Muwatallis II at the city of Kadesh
1259 BC: peace treaty between Egyptians (Ramesses II) and Hittites (king Hattusili III)
1250 BC: the Hebrews return from Egypt and establish a kingdom in Palestine
1250 BC: the Assyrian army employs iron swords, lances, metal armors
1250 BC: the Assyrians divide the circle into 360 degrees
1250 BC: the Elamites build the ziggurat at Choga Zambil, the largest of all times
1237 BC: Hittite king Hattusili III dies and is succeeded by his son Tudhaliya IV, who builds a palace on the acropolis of the capital, Hattusa
1225 BC: the Assyrians under king Tukulti-Ninurta I capture Babylon
1208 BC: the Assyrian king, Tukulti-Ninurta I, is murdered by his son
1200 BC: the Philistines settle along the shores of Palestine
1200 BC: the Arameans migrate from Arabia to Syria (Harrans)
1200 BC: the Phoenicians move from the Arabian peninsula to the Mediterranean coast
1185 BC: the Hittite empire collapses under the invasion of the "Sea Peoples"
history timeline... (http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/neareast.html)

sea people as in Atlantis, or...?

bumped for reference