Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi', Libya says

[DevilPigeon]

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I've a feeling things might ramp up quite significantly from now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13251570



A Nato air strike in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, has killed the son of the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, a government spokesman has said.

Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but he was unharmed.

His son Saif al-Arab was killed, as well as three of his grandsons.

Journalists say the building was extensively damaged and one unexploded bomb remains at the site.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said the villa was attacked "with full power."

"The attack resulted in the martyrdom of brother Saif al-Arab Gaddafi, 29 years old, and three of the leader's grandchildren," he said.

"The leader with his wife was there in the house with other friends and relatives, the leader himself is in good health, he wasn't harmed."

"This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country," the spokesman added.

Saif al-Arab was the youngest of Muammar Gaddafi six sons.

[Rocky_Shorz]

TRIPOLI: Sayf al-Arab Kadhafi, embattled Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi's youngest son, and three of his grandchildren were killed in an airstrike on Saturday, a government spokesman said.

"The house of Mr Sayf al-Arab Muammar al-Gaddafi ... who is the youngest of the leader's children, was attacked tonight with full power. The leader with his wife was there in the house with other friends and relatives," Moussa Ibrahim told a news conference in Tripoli early on Sunday morning.

"The attack resulted in the martyrdom of brother Sayf al-Arab Muammar al-Gaddafi, 29 years old, and three of the leader's grandchildren," Ibrahim said.

"The leader himself is in good health; he wasn't harmed. His wife is also in good health; she wasn't harmed, (but) other people were injured," he said.

"This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country."

Ibrahim had earlier taken journalists to the remnants of a house in Tripoli. Given the level of destruction, it is unclear that anyone could have survived, raising the possibility that if Gaddafi was there, he had left beforehand.

Three loud explosions were heard in Tripoli on Saturday evening as jets flew overhead. Volleys of anti-aircraft fire rang out following the first two strikes, which were followed by a third...story link (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/1126018/1/.html)

sounds like end game in Libya...

[sandy]

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I've a feeling things might ramp up quite significantly from now...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13251570



A Nato air strike in the Libyan capital, Tripoli, has killed the son of the Libyan leader, Colonel Gaddafi, a government spokesman has said.

Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, the spokesman added, but he was unharmed.

His son Saif al-Arab was killed, as well as three of his grandsons.

Journalists say the building was extensively damaged and one unexploded bomb remains at the site.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said the villa was attacked "with full power."

"The attack resulted in the martyrdom of brother Saif al-Arab Gaddafi, 29 years old, and three of the leader's grandchildren," he said.

"The leader with his wife was there in the house with other friends and relatives, the leader himself is in good health, he wasn't harmed."

"This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country," the spokesman added.

Saif al-Arab was the youngest of Muammar Gaddafi six sons.

DevilPigeon,

Just wondering if you think this is propaganda and the real truth. Don't watch TV very much so just wondering if Gaddafi has sent a video or news release talking of his loss??

[Nasu]

Sounds like beginning game to me, soon we can offer weapons, aid and other debt tools to the opposition leadership, then leverage it against their water and oil. The game is afoot...N

[DevilPigeon]

DevilPigeon,

Just wondering if you think this is propaganda and the real truth. Don't watch TV very much so just wondering if Gaddafi has sent a video or news release talking of his loss??

Not sure, I just happened to refresh the BBC site when it appeared as 'breaking news'... Like yourself, I don't watch TV so unable to cross reference at the mo... Will see if I can find other sources to verify

[Spiralmind]

So much for the 'no-fly' zone.

[bennycog]

And i suppose most will not care about the children because they were kin of Gaddafi. Shocking to say the least. And still we must be positive right?

[DevilPigeon]

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Gaddafi son, 3 grandsons killed in strikes

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177579.html


NATO dismisses Gaddafi's truce offer

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177457.html

[Pagan]

We better stand up for Gaddafi!

Amen

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

It's pathetic.. good for you all for not watching TV because those that look behind themselves whilst this unfolds get glimpses of the slippery snakes doing the real nasties. Keep focused on other stuff as this is just a farce.

It's sheeple news. Feel so sorry for the people of Libya being used like this.

[Dennis Leahy]

And i suppose most will not care about the children because they were kin of Gaddafi. Shocking to say the least. And still we must be positive right?

It is shocking. More diplomacy using missiles. More 'collateral damage.'

My government has spent a great deal of time over the years painting Qaddafi as a monster, yet, he must have been a monster that did not warrant an effective 'hit' team. It appears now that he will be targeted more accurately.

I'd be willing to bet that less than 0.1% of us have enough real information to know which of the heads of state of any (and every) nation on Earth are relatively 'good guys' (unaligned with the nefarious Global Rulers.) I know that the ones that promote any form of socialism are cast as dictators.

Again, I'm admitting that I don't have a clue to who the real Qaddafi is, but found this letter (attached below) interesting, to say the least:

Dennis

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Gaddafi Unplugged and Uncensored ~ Translated by Professor Sam Hamod, Ph.D.

From Recollections of My Life: Col. Mu'ummar Qaddafi, The Leader of the Revolution

April 5, 2011.



In the name of Allah, the beneficent, the merciful...



For 40 years, or was it longer, I can't remember, I did all I could to give people houses, hospitals, schools, and when they were hungry, I gave them food. I even made Benghazi into farmland from the desert, I stood up to attacks from that cowboy Reagan, when he killed my adopted orphaned daughter, he was trying to kill me, instead he killed that poor innocent child. Then I helped my brothers and sisters from Africa with money for the African Union. I did all I could to help people understand the concept of real democracy, where people's committees ran our country.



But that was never enough, as some told me, even people who had 10 room homes, new suits and furniture, were never satisfied, as selfish as they were they wanted more. They told Americans and other visitors, that they needed "democracy" and "freedom" never realizing it was a cut throat system, where the biggest dog eats the rest, but they were enchanted with those words, never realizing that in America, there was no free medicine, no free hospitals, no free housing, no free education and no free food, except when people had to beg or go to long lines to get soup.



No, no matter what I did, it was never enough for some, but for others, they knew I was the son of Gamal Abdel Nasser, the only true Arab and Muslim leader we've had since Salah-al-Deen, when he claimed the Suez Canal for his people, as I claimed Libya, for my people, it was his footsteps I tried to follow, to keep my people free from colonial domination - from thieves who would steal from us.



Now, I am under attack by the biggest force in military history, my little African son, Obama wants to kill me, to take away the freedom of our country, to take away our free housing, our free medicine, our free education, our free food, and replace it with American style thievery, called "capitalism," but all of us in the Third World know what that means, it means corporations run the countries, run the world, and the people suffer.



So, there is no alternative for me, I must make my stand, and if Allah wishes, I shall die by following His path, the path that has made our country rich with farmland, with food and health, and even allowed us to help our African and Arab brothers and sisters to work here with us, in the Libyan Jamahiriya.



I do not wish to die, but if it comes to that, to save this land, my people, all the thousands who are all my children, then so be it. Let this testament be my voice to the world, that I stood up to crusader attacks of NATO, stood up to cruelty, stood up to betrayal, stood up to the West and its colonialist ambitions, and that I stood with my African brothers, my true Arab and Muslim brothers, as a beacon of light.



When others were building castles, I lived in a modest house, and in a tent. I never forgot my youth in Sirte, I did not spend our national treasury foolishly, and like Salah-al-Deen, our great Muslim leader, who rescued Jerusalem for Islam, I took little for myself...



In the West, some have called me "mad", "crazy", but they know the truth yet continue to lie, they know that our land is independent and free, not in the colonial grip, that my vision, my path, is, and has been clear and for my people and that I will fight to my last breath to keep us free, may Allah almighty help us to remain faithful and free. Mu'ummar Qaddafi.
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[Pagan]

I'd be willing to bet that less than 0.1% of us have enough real information to know which of the heads of state of any (and every) nation on Earth are relatively 'good guys' (unaligned with the nefarious Global Rulers.) I know that the ones that promote any form of socialism are cast as dictators.

Its not a secret that Libya is one of the most developed country in Africa, if not the most developed. Is this a claim that could be denied?

However claims as: there is bases on mars and on the moon, reptilians ruling the world and Et's living amongs us is a all proven fact?

Wich of those above mentioned are easiest to prove?

And btw, as far as I understand the freedom in America is no greater than in Libya, when pros and cons are accounted for.

[bennycog]

Dennis i had not seen that letter before.. are we to assume that the rebel uprising that started this in lybia was at the hands of a black project from the US. I mean i have no doubt about it because i could not imagine myself going up against a government that supplied everything to me free of charge. You could still question the military outfit of such a regime but even that does not ring any bells here.. I think we need to find the other side of his story, the bad one. and not told by the MSM but from the poeple in his country. Because i dont want to sit on the fence from this one. I want to take a side and either protect him and his people from harm or hope that he moves on peacfully..

[Dennis Leahy]

Dennis i had not seen that letter before.. are we to assume that the rebel uprising that started this in lybia was at the hands of a black project from the US. I mean i have no doubt about it because i could not imagine myself going up against a government that supplied everything to me free of charge. You could still question the military outfit of such a regime but even that does not ring any bells here.. I think we need to find the other side of his story, the bad one. and not told by the MSM but from the poeple in his country. Because i dont want to sit on the fence from this one. I want to take a side and either protect him and his people from harm or hope that he moves on peacfully..
Benny, I come at this with no authority, other that my firm belief that whatever the US government says is a pack of lies, so I lean toward believing Qaddafi. I don't know how to get to the story from the heart of the Libyan people, uncensored, and not from planted "spokespersons" that are really black-ops agents.

Where do we go for the truth? Beyond mainstream media, which I completely reject and ignore, there are sites such as Democracy Now! that sometimes reports stories that resound as the truth to me, and sometimes sounds like BS regurgitated from the MSM. The stories they are currently running sure make it seem like it is a "popular" uprising, but is it? And even if it is, are the people of Libya being manipulated? http://www.democracynow.org/tags/libya

Pagan, I do hear what you are saying, and agree, but I just don't know if Qaddafi is a good guy and all negative reports are lies, or if it is more accurate to describe him as a "gray hat" who has done some good things for the country but is also ruthless against those who internally oppose him. What do you think, and is there a way to find out?

Dennis

[sandy]

For myself, I will go with what I see in our Western World today.

Daily we are fed lies, distortions, and manipulated to stay on the path of our very own destruction. What do many in other countries truly know about Western ways when our very own in masses continue to buy into the BS we are fed. Many socialist type countries think that we have a Utopia here on our side of the world because of what they see and hear and little do they know that for many they are better off than a growing majority in North America.

I lean toward the concept that because Qaddafi would not knuckle under to the PTP he will be taken out period on whatever pretext they can try and pull over our eyes and in whatever way they can do matter the consequences. How sad for the Libyans when they realize (for those who want our style of democracy) and wake up to find the same s**t different day is rampant over here.

[Dennis Leahy]

These two related threads have been merged:

Nato strike 'kills Saif al-Arab Gaddafi', Libya says
and
Gaddafi's family killed in airstrike

Dennis

[bennycog]

If the black projects are able to manipulate people, by mind and planting personnel close by . Why the need to kill him out and bring an "American democracy" in?
I really wonder what the real people of libya are saying..

[Dennis Leahy]

Anywhere on the planet, with major crimes, the old adage is "follow the money." In the Middle East, it seems to be "follow the oil."

Article: "Libyan rebels 'sign oil export deal with Qatar'" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12875810

Article: "Libyan oil still blocked despite rebels' deal" http://mg.co.za/article/2011-03-28-libyan-oil-still-blocked-despite-rebels-deal/

I'm not sure where Libya was selling their sweet crude before, but it may not have been Qatar.
You may have to plug your nose to read from those websites, but it sure does give me the sense that the "rebels" were not so much storming the castle as storming the oil supply.

Dennis

[Corncrake]

For a different perspective go to www.johnperkins.org (http://www.johnperkins.org/?p=1051) - for those who haven't come accross him yet he is the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman - and read his latest article 'Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans'.

[Lord Sidious]

For a different perspective go to www.johnperkins.org (http://www.johnperkins.org/?p=1051) - for those who haven't come accross him yet he is the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman - and read his latest article 'Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans'.

Thanks for that. Everything he says is correct.

[Pagan]

Pagan, I do hear what you are saying, and agree, but I just don't know if Qaddafi is a good guy and all negative reports are lies, or if it is more accurate to describe him as a "gray hat" who has done some good things for the country but is also ruthless against those who internally oppose him. What do you think, and is there a way to find out?

As the "Shady Bunch"tries to get their hands on all resources and enslave all resource holding countries, trough their nasty "loans" the preassure on leaders as Gadaffi must be enormous. Impossible to rule countries like Libya by "running around with flowers in the hands" So that harsh reality takes harsh meassures against threats from outside and inside.

I Remember an exclusive interview in 1990 made by a female Swedish journalist. And I still remember Gadaffis last sentence in that interview:

"It's Hard to be pure in a dirty world"

That journalist did a bunch of interresting interviews and she had a gimmick in the end of all those interviews, she asked them to jump in the air together with her and the program ended there, in a freeze frame. As I remember Gadaffi jumped too :D

Found a 15 min part of the interview: http://svtplay.se/v/2336186/oppet_arkiv/moammar_khadaffi Parts of it is in English and worth a look.

[Spiralmind]

Perhaps this will be of some help:


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[Dennis Leahy]

I'm a fan of John Perkins, (how can you not be, if you're a fan of the truth) and after reading that piece that Corncrake posted a link to, it does appear that indeed, economic warfare may be the major piece of the puzzle.

Especially significant: "Muammar al-Qaddafi was openly advocating the creation of a new currency that would rival the dollar and the euro. In fact, he called upon African and Muslim nations to join an alliance that would make this new currency, the gold dinar, their primary form of money and foreign exchange. They would sell oil and other resources to the US and the rest of the world only for gold dinars. "



Here's another article that says some of the same: THE INVASION OF LIBYA: Behind the US-NATO Attack are Strategies of Economic Warfare (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24567)

I would have a hard time completely dismissing oil, as it was oil that was turned into the gold in the vaults, and it will be oil that will provide the future economy. But, probably just like JFK's public craniotomy had a number of possible justifications from those in high places, Executive Order 11110 probably was the ticket to liberation from his worldly body - and Qaddafi painted the same bullseye on his Kufi by standing up to the IMF/World Bank/Global Rulers.

Dennis

[Lord Sidious]

I'm a fan of John Perkins, (how can you not be, if you're a fan of the truth) and after reading that piece that Corncrake posted a link to, it does appear that indeed, economic warfare may be the major piece of the puzzle.

Especially significant: "Muammar al-Qaddafi was openly advocating the creation of a new currency that would rival the dollar and the euro. In fact, he called upon African and Muslim nations to join an alliance that would make this new currency, the gold dinar, their primary form of money and foreign exchange. They would sell oil and other resources to the US and the rest of the world only for gold dinars. "



Here's another article that says some of the same: THE INVASION OF LIBYA: Behind the US-NATO Attack are Strategies of Economic Warfare (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24567)

I would have a hard time completely dismissing oil, as it was oil that was turned into the gold in the vaults, and it will be oil that will provide the future economy. But, probably just like JFK's public craniotomy had a number of possible justifications from those in high places, Executive Order 11110 probably was the ticket to liberation from his worldly body - and Qaddafi painted the same bullseye on his Kufi by standing up to the IMF/World Bank/Global Rulers.

Dennis

Economic warfare is a major element in ALL of the happenings that are provoked.
How else will they keep their charade alive?