Remote Viewing

[The One]

Remote Viewing is a practice of using extra-sensory perception to view a far off location. It has been heavily researched by many of the world's leading intelligence services (especially the US and Russia), and this is documented. Its success rate, and current status of the programs, are currently unknown, and if exist, are highly classified. The basic idea, is that through concentration, a viewer can see far more than a satellite, as he tours the building, etc. moving through walls, and visualizing the target.


Question could remote viewing or black technology eventually have been used to find Saddam Hussein and Osma bin Laden

Your thoughts

Thanks

[Jake]

I suspect that RV is only the tip of the iceberg. That is why it has been made public, because it is yesterdays news. I believe the implications of RV opens up an entire new can of worms, and that Black Programs still exist, built on the shoulders of RV.
Major Ed Dames has been screaming this from the rooftops. There are time-slip RV events that lead to prediction. And you can view past events. And there are projects that involve multiple RV experts sitting back to back in small circles, multiplying the effectiveness of RV. There is also Remote Influence, remote healing, etc... I have heard it said (I will try and find the source) that the 'supersoldier' programs include a 'viewer' or 'seer' to accompany the soldiers for different reasons. The 'viewer' and the 'soldier' work as a team. I think it was the Duncan O'finian Material. There are endless applications to RV.

[kooky]

We often hear the terms Remote Viewing and Astral Projection and Outer Body Experiences and i guess if you see this kind of stuff it is because your curious and you want to 'see what's out there'. Maybe it's another city or country or maybe another galaxy. You will see people that claim be able to do this any time they wish, they often leave their bodies and go visit places, they often leave the planet but is it all just one big joke? I was listening to Bob Dean's latest Camelot interview again today and again he talks about remote viewing and going places and one thing i always notice is that the interviewers never expand on this. Anytime someone talks about going to another planet they never ask the questions that people want to know. That's a pretty big thing right? If i tell you i've been to other planets that's a big thing but when your on the outside looking in, like i am, i want to know everything! What colour was the sky, did they TV, were they humanoid, the questions are endless! Then there is another classic, i have information downloaded to me. So many people experience this, they find out everything they wanna know about the planet and the universe but....they will never tell you what it was! Oh they go all the time, they go on ships, they astral project, they do this and that but they would never share it with you and of course no interviewer would ever dare question any of it. They would never dare put that person on the spot and say 'ok then, i've got all day,sit and tell me everything they told you'. Nope. Would never happen.

Simply put, if it was possible, i could do it. I could go on Google, i could find someone who knows how to do it and i could be taught it and so could all of you. But you can't do it and neither can i.

[Moemers]

Is it possible to accidentally remote view something?

[kooky]

It's possible for your mind to be over active and you wanting to actually believe you've been somewhere.

[linz2d]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7YFTu4NE4

Good video!

[nomadguy]

Remote viewing if it happens unintended can suck.

I was maybe 7 years old and I must have slipped out of my body while sleeping.

I ended up viewing some dark dark things.

If you are one whom is drawn to do this - look into harnessing the ability straight away, it is better to choose what you view...

[Ammit]

Kooky, my father was able to do something, dont know if it was OBE or astro project but he did. I believe something is possible, as some of the information he gave me was afterwards found out to be the truth. How can someone in Dorset see what a family member was doing 200 miles away, and it was verified by me, by phone from this family member as I was being told it from my father. yes most things could be pure coincidence but, when the clothing and the name of a book they were reading at that time was revealed then, explain that to me.....

[ktlight]

When I was a child in a convent, I was barred from a crocodile walk because I refused to own up to something i did not do. I came out through the top of my head and followed them. When they returned I told a few of them what I had seen them do and they were freaked out.

I did this as a child quite often.

However, I am not sure that this could be called remote viewing.

[kooky]

Well there you go nomadguy, my first instinct to you is to ask 'what dark things did you see?'. Do you understand what i'm getting at? I'm not saying you can or can't do something, all i'm saying is there is a complete lack of people understanding about it and very few people willing to talk about it. If it was really possible to do this you can bet there would be people teaching it, who wouldn't wanna leave their bodies and visit other places or visit other planets? Again i'm not saying your all liars, i'm just saying what i feel.

Yes i have read people can see or do things they do not want to. I've read about people not being able to get back into their bodies and being scared and i've also heard entities can try and enter your body while doing this and this can lead to people hearing and seeing things not seen or heard by anyone in this dimension. A lot of these people are then classed with schizophrenia and sent to mental hospitals. That part worries me as i would like to learn to remote view, astral project whatever you wanna call it but i don't end up crazy or have my life changed. I want to do it safely and learn about the Earth and the Universe. But of course the people telling you these things are fine, they have nothing bad happen to them so it's fine for them to warn you about what can or can't happen and in turn i guess that puts people off wanting to try it. Which could be the intention all along, they want to do be able to do it, they don't want you to nor do they want to teach you how to.

[Moemers]

I remote viewed the exterior of an US Government aircraft hangar and felt some powerful mechanical/organic disturbance, and then when I realized what was happening I consciously shut it off.

Then I got super shaky and sick about 5 minutes later...

[kooky]

Who told you how to remote view?

[Flash]

Is it possible to accidentally remote view something?

I sincerely think it is possible. It did happened at least twice to me and one of both times I could verify very precisely with the targetted person. It was all accidental, including a very high emotional component and desire to see. I think everyone could be trained, with some more talented than others. I do think that remote viewing is something about normal with mediation and spiritually developped individuals as well.

However, as Kooky said in post 5, I also do think that a lot of what people say they see may be due to imagination as well.

A third possibility is that RV may be mixed with imagination and it makes for less potent seeing.

Well, this is the first time I mentioned that it happened to me except for the targetted person with whom I verified. He was freaked out.

[KosmicKat]

The questions that are being asked are part of the reason why the scientific remote viewing protocol was developed by Ingo Swann. For RV to be remotely reliable, there can be no way for the viewer to know what the target is that they are viewing.

If you are interested in developing your abilities as a viewer, I recommend starting with The International Remote Viewing Association (http://www.irva.org/), and reading the books available in PDF by Ingo Swann and Courtney Brown. The figure I have heard mentioned with regard to accuracy is around 40% for remote viewing, as compared with 25-35% for field observations.

[Carmody]

Is it possible to accidentally remote view something?

I sincerely think it is possible. It did happened at least twice to me and one of both times I could verify very precisely with the targetted person. It was all accidental, including a very high emotional component and desire to see. I think everyone could be trained, with some more talented than others. I do think that remote viewing is something about normal with mediation and spiritually developped individuals as well.

However, as Kooky said in post 5, I also do think that a lot of what people say they see may be due to imagination as well.

A third possibility is that RV may be mixed with imagination and it makes for less potent seeing.

Well, this is the first time I mentioned that it happened to me except for the targeted person with whom I verified. He was freaked out.

My understanding (via about 2 years of single cause analysis in personal efforts) is that clarity or hit ratios on remote viewing has to do with clarity of the given person at the deepest levels.

Sublimation of the ego via natural efforts and similar. There is a thread where I speak on this directly and more fully, but it is an odd thread that is best left sleeping.

[Carmen]

Im a student of the Ramtha School. One of the first things we are taught as beginning students, is how to remote view, (ie, 'see' something in a box). We all have some success in this and the more practice, the better it gets. Also mind reading. All the skills that are latent in people and are suppressed by tptb, because people cannot be controlled if and when their God-given talents are developed in them. Another great skill is to remote view the future!

As to the 'how'. The first prerequisite of successful remote viewing is the ability to 'focus' in the now, without the chitter chatter/opinion/beliefs of the surface personality, fogging the 'view'

[Moemers]

Who told you how to remote view?

I've never had any formal training, just read a few books on it and listened to Jim Marrs talking about it.

Sometimes in meditation I see what I can do...but never anything like this.

I can't discount imagination either.

[nomadguy]

Well there you go nomadguy, my first instinct to you is to ask 'what dark things did you see?'. Do you understand what i'm getting at? I'm not saying you can or can't do something, all i'm saying is there is a complete lack of people understanding about it and very few people willing to talk about it. If it was really possible to do this you can bet there would be people teaching it, who wouldn't wanna leave their bodies and visit other places or visit other planets? Again i'm not saying your all liars, i'm just saying what i feel.

Yes i have read people can see or do things they do not want to. I've read about people not being able to get back into their bodies and being scared and i've also heard entities can try and enter your body while doing this and this can lead to people hearing and seeing things not seen or heard by anyone in this dimension. A lot of these people are then classed with schizophrenia and sent to mental hospitals. That part worries me as i would like to learn to remote view, astral project whatever you wanna call it but i don't end up crazy or have my life changed. I want to do it safely and learn about the Earth and the Universe. But of course the people telling you these things are fine, they have nothing bad happen to them so it's fine for them to warn you about what can or can't happen and in turn i guess that puts people off wanting to try it. Which could be the intention all along, they want to do be able to do it, they don't want you to nor do they want to teach you how to.

seriously you dont want to know, some things in this world are truly truly horrid and perhaps are better left alone to fizzle away.

When I said dark I meant it. There are underground places in this world - some that certain folks goto to do certain things. What I will say about it is I did see something that I find very interesting, whatever I saw, imaginary or not was very advanced technically.
I saw doors that appeared to be stone or ceramic (smooth and cream colored not textured).
Yet they moved when you came close, like they detected your movement then went up into the ceiling. THis was a sort of super-tech catacomb-like place. There were number pads on some of these auto-doors, in which I snuck in behind someone to get through. At this time they hadn;t even put the auto doors into shopping markets.
I was too young to really get a grasp on what I saw at all. At that time in my life I was big into detective stories like Sherlock Holmes and such. No where near as techy. So later on in life I had to come to grasps with it from memory.
As I had never been exposed to anything like this at all. The techy environment I saw was very much like what can be seen out of the newer star trek series with jean-luke picard. Only that had not even come into existence yet.
Imagination or not, the idea of accidentally remote viewing something should - in my view be handled with care.

and to add, I cannot astral project, no idea how one can do it either.

[kooky]

I think some people just take everything as fact and if i was sitting next to Bob Dean in person i would ask him to elaborate on things he saw 'out there'. I've never even tried meditating before nor do i know how to so i probably wouldn't be very good at anything like this but that doesn't stop me being curious or wanting to know more.

[777]

I think some people just take everything as fact and if i was sitting next to Bob Dean in person i would ask him to elaborate on things he saw 'out there'. I've never even tried meditating before nor do i know how to so i probably wouldn't be very good at anything like this but that doesn't stop me being curious or wanting to know more.

I've meditated a fair bit in my time kooky, it's very pleasurable. I had an RV experience once during a joint meditation with hundreds of people round the world. I was able to see a 50ish year old woman, in a wooden house with a white picket fence. Her bed linen was white, her cat was black and grey and she kept a picture of a young man in a frame next to her bed.

When comparing experiences it turned out I had RVed the host of the meditation session and every detail was absolutely correct. The young man was her son who she misses dearly since he left home. Now I don't know if it was her ability to show me these things or my ability to see them. What I do know is it happened and was highly accurate. Scepticism is a very healthy thing to have but not if it closes one off to the realms of (very real) possibility. Also if you're curious, I've found that life/the universe/events tend to move heaven and earth to satiate that desire to know, if it's strong enough. Of course you don't have to believe me, try it for yourself.

[Carmody]

Im a student of the Ramtha School. One of the first things we are taught as beginning students, is how to remote view, (ie, 'see' something in a box). We all have some success in this and the more practice, the better it gets. Also mind reading. All the skills that are latent in people and are suppressed by tptb, because people cannot be controlled if and when their God-given talents are developed in them. Another great skill is to remote view the future!

As to the 'how'. The first prerequisite of successful remote viewing is the ability to 'focus' in the now, without the chitter chatter/opinion/beliefs of the surface personality, fogging the 'view'

Sounds like the real deal to me. Basic strightforward stuff.

This is a clue folks, that when 'dreaming', or 'astral projecting' in a dream state, be careful in what you believe, as to what you see. Your problem is one of the mind's pre-load and pre-notions.

Shape recognition, object recognition, etc, sound and vocalization decoding systems..all of that internal construct has a bunch of shapes, sounds..what have you that sit in your mind, closest to the conscious surface..and they are readied in order to 'fit' to what you see or hear, to speed up pattern and sound recognition.

Thus, when you see a modern car, for example, you are literally internally commanded to see the smiley face on the front of it first. You are designed to understand 'fight or flight' things that risk your body, FIRST and above all else, at all times. This is a recognition set that you have in you that is the basic interpreter of all input. It puts known or expected things (According to emotional loading, etc) first, in your 'order of operations', with regard to your senses.

When you look at this, you see a face first, correct? You get a freaking Pikachu for a front of your car.

http://www.sagennext.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mazda.jpg

That is the internal system I'm speaking about. This, this deep layer of the structure of the mind, this has to be set aside by venturing deep into the mind and one must be calm as well..and slowly take that system off line to some degree. To sublimate the emotional interpretive system..and when this is done the object recognition system is less likely to attempt to take you into flight or flight reflexes in the face of your body's discomfort..discomfort of the internal being having taken it out for an astral walk. the body is being stressed by YOUR ventures into the 'other' spaces, and does what it is supposed to do. It tries to stop your body from being in the danger position that it FEELS, so like pulling your hand away from a fire...it tells you interpretive lies of the things you see and understand. It tells you stories related to what you know and what your body/mind has learned to fear. Thus the stories of something sitting on your chest and the like with 'sleep paralysis'. That is a normal thing, it has to do with sections of the mind being shut down while the consciousness maintains a connection to being conscious.

I did the craziest thing of all. I did what one hypnotist/therapist in Newton's latest book said was dangerous. Not the best thing to be doing, even through a hypnotist, and they say only for short periods at a time. Hours, max. In tiny pieces. Metaphorically speaking...I strapped myself to a chair, pinned my head back and said, "OK, give me the sledgehammer to the face". Repeatedly. 'thank you'. (ouch!)

I utilized the self hypnosis aspects of deep meditation. recall, etc. And I fired up my kundalini in the extreme, at the same time. Practice, practice, practice. I spent months delving deep into my baseline physiology and psychology and spent weeks at each stage. All the way back to birth. I spent three weeks and more being of the mind and emotions of a two week old child. Then I went to the moment of birth and then I went to the pre-birth womb stage and spent a few days, minimum re-living the undercurrents that it presents. Then I went to the stage of soul inclusion.

Arc strike. Direct connection.

And then... the information of the deepest programmed layers can then be seen as the layers of coloration that they are and put aside so you can see things as they really are. Not quite but their overt influence in all that you are (as a sum total package) can be far better understood and thus, put aside and cease having such great influence. And what you see and understand after that is, well, off the scale of the capacity for many to understand-in their current state of mind and knowing. The more mundane 'Human' concerns tend to fall to the wayside, in ways you are yet to be familiar with or know exist as thought patterns and points of knowing/knowledge.

I literally brought myself to a state where I sat down and had to make a decision. Was I done here, or not? I was trying to decide if I was 'done' here on this globe and should pass to another space, another dimension, whatever..Or return to the mundane state of mind and continue working with the rest of humankind.

The dedication it takes to get there, is not of the simplistic 'button pushing' type. This is not sitting there and pushing buttons on a remote control and switching channels in a blase manner, on the ole' television. This is very serious stuff and it has the capacity to totally transform your mind. Total freedom, total pain. You get both -realization on all levels.

It is the basis of the CIA MKULTRA and the L Ron Hubbard techniques. Etc. They are very similar. The danger of those types (potentially, if the given technique strays into this) is that they are pre-loading your mind with visions of what may be and you are reflecting those back onto yourself. Intense concentration and ultimate truth and honesty is required in order to get to the depths of it ---cleanly.

Since you connect to the deepest layers of dimensional energy expression in those states, this is the issue of the creation of super soldiers by the MKULTRA program. They create monsters by feeding on and manipulating not the deepest components of who you are, but the intermediate emotional interpretive layers.

To put it simply if you wonder what that state of mind is like, how distant is it from what you know..all I can say is that if I'm talking to you, I'm very very likely (99.999% chance) to not be there. It takes months/year(s) of dedication, that is all consuming, to get there. EVERYTHING, even food can fall to the wayside. Family, career, life, human communication, all of it will be sublimated and changed by it on the deepest levels. This, with regard to how you understand and how others see you.

You won't be eating meat, either. One of the reasons I put that all aside, is well, I'm telling you right now. That's one of the reasons. If you are afraid of changing EVERYTHING you know, even the concept of thinking, breathing, blinking and so on..then this is not for you.

To me, to this one...more of this as understandings and 'potential paths' must be publicly known.

But I must recall, that my judgment is off as my information set and how my mind works, it is 'off' from that clarity on that dimensional and connective level that I had before. It can be and likely will be excruciatingly painful to get there (to get there requires much change -on all levels) but it's worth every bit of the effort.

[000]

The dedication it takes to get there, is not of the simplistic 'button pushing' type. This is not sitting there and pushing buttons on a remote control and switching channels in a blase manner, on the ole' television. This is very serious stuff and it has the capacity to totally transform your mind. Total freedom, total pain. You get both -realization on all levels.


It is the basis of the CIA MKULTRA and the L Ron Hubbard techniques. Etc. They are very similar. The danger of those types is that they are pre-loading your mind with visions of what may be and you are reflecting those back onto yourself. Intense concentration and ultimate truth and honesty is required in order to get to the depths of it cleanly.


To put it simply if you wonder what that state of mind is like, how distant is it from what you know..all I can say is that if I'm talking to you, I'm very very likely (99.999% chance) to not be there. It takes months/year(s) of dedication, that is all consuming, to get there. EVERYTHING, even food can fall to the wayside. Family, career, life, human communication, all of it will be sublimated and changed by it on the deepest levels. This, with regard to how you understand and how others see you.


You won't be eating meat, either. One of the reasons I put that all aside, is well, I'm telling you right now. That's one of the reasons. If you are afraid of changing EVERYTHING you know, even the concept of thinking, breathing, blinking and so on..then this is not for you.



Quoted w/ added emphasis on key points.

[A personal editorial: Meat is still a part of my diet. I have just seen/experienced much heavy material as a dreamer that I'm very desensitized now. The emotional connection is good to be tempered along the way, otherwise it can become an obstacle more than an aid to seeing clearly. Doesn't mean you must become frigid, you just [B]have to be balanced otherwise you will short out from so much ESP connectivity.]

This is indeed something not for the light of heart. One absolutely must be balanced as well as responsible. Your freedom is equivalent to the responsibility you take on [this goes for absolutely everything].

It is good and healthy to detach emotionally from sessions both in The Waking Dream AKA Waking Life and in The Sleeping Dream AKA Body Sleep / OOB. Intraphase wrote down some excellent techs as I shall quote below:


A few powerful techniques.

Sorrow.

Set aside 10 minutes to cry each day, no more no less, just sit if you run out of tears. Provide a high quality tear cloth.
Using your two index fingers place them on or just below the lower bone of each eye socket close angled towards the nose and begin slow deep rhythmic breathing while recalling/picturing the sad event.

Anguish or terror.

Using your thumb, a pencil or a small hand crafted wand with a focus point on the end begin visualizing a traumatic event while slowly moving the wand in gentle random patterns and occasionally shaking the wand ever so slightly while moaning and sighing. The visual circuits blocking harmonization(50% of brain activity) and charge reduction in the neural networks are bypassed by the eyes following the focus object and they too are brought from high to medium to low voltage circuits of neural trees arranged in voltage networks.

I witnessed my stepfather yelling at my beloved Basset Hound who got very angry and walked away crossing the street while not thinking. I raised it from a pup and we spent 24 hrs a day together for eighteen month before the corner of the cars bumper struck him in the ribs with a side slap into the spinning wheels and then thrown clear to the curb. I can now visualize it while typing without a trace of emotion and only accurate visual recall. Yet my love and memories are as powerful of him as ever. He has left the spirit world and is actually a human now living next door to my old house, but that is his private business not to be discussed without telling his entire left story. Suffice to say those techniques when practiced/fiddled with until you get results are mega-powerful at releasing the emotional neural charges associated with sudden or repetitive long term trauma. Of course talking is essential to but for my particular personality type talking is sometimes a form of stalling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5HRVz_bSqg


Book of Life Technique. Make a notebook.

Describe everyone you hurt and how
Describe everyone you helped and how
Describe everyone who hurt you and how
Describe everyone who helped you and how.

When it gets to painful in the hurt pages use the wand & tear fingers techniques and then spend some time on the help essays remembering friends and strangers you sacrificed for.

[Steven]

...Question could remote viewing or black technology eventually have been used to find Saddam Hussein and Osma bin Laden?

Certainly, I even know a man who participated in it. He told me, in 2002, that Osama Bin Laden was dead.

Remote viewing is not even a secret at some level of the canadian government. They are used everyday to look for missing people. That is what my friend used to be employed for.

Namaste, Steven

[Intraphase]

Remote Viewing is a practice of using extra-sensory perception to view a far off location. It has been heavily researched by many of the world's leading intelligence services (especially the US and Russia), and this is documented. Its success rate, and current status of the programs, are currently unknown, and if exist, are highly classified. The basic idea, is that through concentration, a viewer can see far more than a satellite, as he tours the building, etc. moving through walls, and visualizing the target.


Question could remote viewing or black technology eventually have been used to find Saddam Hussein and Osma bin Laden

Your thoughts

Thanks

A good thread to compose an executive summary of Ben Laden based RV sessions. It'll take a few hours but it is something worth doing as a final summary.

[Carmody]

[A personal editorial: Meat is still a part of my diet. I have just seen/experienced much heavy material as a dreamer that I'm very desensitized now. The emotional connection is good to be tempered along the way, otherwise it can become an obstacle more than an aid to seeing clearly. Doesn't mean you must become frigid, you just have to be balanced otherwise you will short out from so much ESP connectivity.]

This is indeed something not for the light of heart. One absolutely must be balanced as well as responsible. Your freedom is equivalent to the responsibility you take on [this goes for absolutely everything].

It is good and healthy to detach emotionally from sessions both in The Waking Dream AKA Waking Life and in The Sleeping Dream AKA Body Sleep / OOB.

This is part of why I seem a bit emotionally distant in some ways, on this forum. My emotions are sublimated through a combination of burnout and exposure.

A thing that only a few of you know is that my 'job' seems to be to rescue the soul shard or life lived of the given individuals whom I may run into that have lost themselves and cannot get back to the source. Invariably the types that do want to go back but have not due to being blown to pieces, sometimes literally, they are so far gone in fear, loss and pain that they can't calm themselves enough to get to the right state of mind to get home, so to speak.

That's where I, and others (obviously), come in.

Think of the most horrible deaths you can imagine, imagine living through. and dying -in.

Well, I get to be inside of those deaths. With them.

And I have to be able to be stable and clean inside of that and have enough compassion and love for the both of us, to overcome the loss they are living and dying within.

In that case, when you ponder that, do you think that the PTB scare me?

I've lived through worse.

My burnout happened in 2004-2005 when I took on too much at one time. I have a feeling that I'm still at it and I have a bit of evidence to that effect, but I'm no longer conscious of the efforts, at this mundane level.

[truthseekerdan]

Some cool RV presentations on this thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15246-Farsight-Presentations

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm viewing this thread and my computer's in the other room.

[Carmody]

So. I have wireless keyboards too. :p

[ktlight]

I feel this thread needs to be resurrected.

http://www.farsight.org/AV/av1.html

But click on this link first "Dominique Surel discussing the impact that practicing CRV has on the remote viewers themselves", the last in the list.

[Star1111]

Remote Viewing is a practice of using extra-sensory perception to view a far off location. It has been heavily researched by many of the world's leading intelligence services (especially the US and Russia), and this is documented. Its success rate, and current status of the programs, are currently unknown, and if exist, are highly classified. The basic idea, is that through concentration, a viewer can see far more than a satellite, as he tours the building, etc. moving through walls, and visualizing the target.


Question could remote viewing or black technology eventually have been used to find Saddam Hussein and Osma bin Laden

Your thoughts

Thanks

TheOne - I think they probably knew all along where Saddam and Osma were and I'm sure they know where Gadaffi is too. Interesting thread and I'm sure its a possibility.

[Star1111]

Well there you go nomadguy, my first instinct to you is to ask 'what dark things did you see?'. Do you understand what i'm getting at? I'm not saying you can or can't do something, all i'm saying is there is a complete lack of people understanding about it and very few people willing to talk about it. If it was really possible to do this you can bet there would be people teaching it, who wouldn't wanna leave their bodies and visit other places or visit other planets? Again i'm not saying your all liars, i'm just saying what i feel.

Yes i have read people can see or do things they do not want to. I've read about people not being able to get back into their bodies and being scared and i've also heard entities can try and enter your body while doing this and this can lead to people hearing and seeing things not seen or heard by anyone in this dimension. A lot of these people are then classed with schizophrenia and sent to mental hospitals. That part worries me as i would like to learn to remote view, astral project whatever you wanna call it but i don't end up crazy or have my life changed. I want to do it safely and learn about the Earth and the Universe. But of course the people telling you these things are fine, they have nothing bad happen to them so it's fine for them to warn you about what can or can't happen and in turn i guess that puts people off wanting to try it. Which could be the intention all along, they want to do be able to do it, they don't want you to nor do they want to teach you how to.

seriously you dont want to know, some things in this world are truly truly horrid and perhaps are better left alone to fizzle away.

When I said dark I meant it. There are underground places in this world - some that certain folks goto to do certain things. What I will say about it is I did see something that I find very interesting, whatever I saw, imaginary or not was very advanced technically.
I saw doors that appeared to be stone or ceramic (smooth and cream colored not textured).
Yet they moved when you came close, like they detected your movement then went up into the ceiling. THis was a sort of super-tech catacomb-like place. There were number pads on some of these auto-doors, in which I snuck in behind someone to get through. At this time they hadn;t even put the auto doors into shopping markets.
I was too young to really get a grasp on what I saw at all. At that time in my life I was big into detective stories like Sherlock Holmes and such. No where near as techy. So later on in life I had to come to grasps with it from memory.
As I had never been exposed to anything like this at all. The techy environment I saw was very much like what can be seen out of the newer star trek series with jean-luke picard. Only that had not even come into existence yet.
Imagination or not, the idea of accidentally remote viewing something should - in my view be handled with care.

and to add, I cannot astral project, no idea how one can do it either.

nomadguy - interesting what you said about catacomb place.

I had a 'vision' (not sure what to call it) maybe it was RV, but it I was moving into a catacomb/vault like place, small, low ceiling, Arched ceiling, stone, with about 5 wooden doors - 2 on the side and one at the far end with heavy black knockers on the doors around the room. In the middle was a large chair facing towards me with a big red cross painted or stiched on it. (as in the picture) I felt that something had just gone on (got the feeling a ritual of some kind) but when 'they' had heard me entering they quickly exited out through the doors. I looked at the area for a while, and could feel the damp and the cold AND felt something very threatening............... so I left. That has stayed with me and it was very clear (as if I had actually been there). When I asked my higher self I seemed to get the message Knights Templar. I didn't know much about all of that then and although I have researched it since and understand a bit more I still haven't found out what the 'message' was/is or what had gone on or was about to happen. All I know is that I wanted to get out of there quickly.

If anyone has got any thoughts on what that might have been about I would be very grateful to hear.

[eq1]

I've been a student of ARVARI for about 10 years now.

Spurious moments of "seeing something", as some of the posters in this thread have reported, is not the same thing as RV, though they do share similar qualities. The two CRV videos posted so far in this thread are excellent and accurate, although in the case of the first one, don't for a second take it to mean that destruction is in the works for our future necessarily. We are not bound all together on a single time line by any means, and although some will likely steer themselves onto the path where the futures RV in that video occur, many of us will also steer ourselves elsewhere. I'll try and explain that in greater detail in the Spirit(ual) Science thread.

I've practiced ERV (Extended RV) but many aspects are similar to CRV (Controlled RV), whereas in my mind TRV (Technical RV) was, as the initial replier in this thread suggested, actually just the tip of the tip of the iceberg (if the entire umbrella of RV would be seen as the tip of the iceberg, which is accurate). TRV was the earliest form, the one developed by the military. CRV developed from that foundation (at one time they were synonymous), and over the years developed into something broader, with implications such as those suggested in the first video shared here.

Indeed, the multiple future map that is verifiable by RV (if you can hold that kind of data as valid), says something significant about the nature of reality. If we were to go any further into that topic, we would be getting into set theory, which is another thing I would like to save for the Spirit(ual) Science thread. Have a look for it if you'd like to know more.

ERV was a later development that connected the principle of RV to matters deeper into the core of the iceberg. For one thing, it lead to RI which remains a controversial topic, mainly because there is a pretty ridiculous amount of confusion around it.

RI has been misrepresented on numerous occasions and only now are we slowly finding our way to an accurate definition of it that is expressed well enough to hopefully one way ring loud and clear over all the disinformation around it. Again, more on that in the Spirit(ual) Science thread at some point.

The two things that people have the most difficulty with while studying RV, are improving the signal-to-noise ratio and having clearly self-defined intentions. The latter can especially significantly interfere with results because it is usually representative of the type of individual that tries many things and masters none.

If the signal-to-noise ratio is alike a frequency of signal high enough to pierce through the noise barrier between the RVer and the target (or RIer and target for that matter), then the clear intention is like the amplitude of the signal, and having it be strong enough to transmit "all the way" to the target before signal loss weakens and ultimately destroys the signal.

I'd be happy to share more details if there's any interest.

take care,

eq

[ktlight]

Hi eq1
I am interested in RV, but know nothing about it. I don't even know why it interests me. Is there a simple exercise that can be performed to see if there is any possible talent for RV in a person?

[eq1]

Hi eq1
I am interested in RV, but know nothing about it. I don't even know why it interests me. Is there a simple exercise that can be performed to see if there is any possible talent for RV in a person?

Hi ktlight,

Yes, in fact, there is, but it would depend on whether or not you have some reasonable experience with meditation already. I would teach an ERV technique, I have no idea about the protocols for CRV, but with that C in there standing for controlled I bet there are many.

In ERV you just need to set up your "cue" before going into meditation, and then transfer it to a piece of paper afterward.

There are two popular kinds of cues for simple RV sessions, but one of them will probably be easier for you to try, since the other kind requires someone else to participate.
I'll explain the latter kind if you try the simplest one and decide you want to pursue it more, ok?

The former, simplest kind, is a post-verification exercise. All you need to do is project in your mind a token cue. I would make a mantra for it like "something of importance", or "an important number or set of numbers".

Then you go into the meditation, and with any luck after your mind has been totally clear for some time (not necessarily that you stop having thoughts, but that you stop "chasing them", you must become pure awareness), something will come to you. Depending on whether you want your cue to be literally anything, or more simply a number or set of numbers, write or sketch what came to you.

Now take that piece of paper and put it in an envelope, and put it away in a shelf somewhere where you won't see it again unless you go looking for it.

Let some time go by. Hours, days, maybe a week or two.

If people are successful, usually by a few days after their token cue is revealed in their lives somehow. As in the video, for the CRVers it was the Powerball Lotto number (many people try to learn RV just for Lotto, which I personally think is silly, look at all the lotto winners who turned out no happier than before...).

For you, it could be anything. But something will happen that will cause you to make the connection, and you'll go back to that shelf and open the envelope, and sure enough what you saw, would become representative of something important in your life some time in the future.

There are many things that can go wrong in the process. You can get "AOL" (analytic overlays) if your mind is too active, or too creative, and you'll just conjure something up with your imagination and mistake it for RV data. You can also take a sharp turn in your life and totally miss the thing that connects to what you RVed, even if you RVed accurately.

But with any luck you will start to see a trend, you'll get a gut feeling that the connections you make to important things in your future are no coincidence.

I had a very vivid RV experience (I don't know if you could really call it an RV experience, closer to an NDE but not that either, anyways it was very similar) way back about 12 years ago before I even started RV training, and even now I am still catching up to all the connection points that relate to what I saw. It was like a decade of self-realization preceded by a vivid projection of what it would feel like to exist in a post-realized state. It changed me forever and honestly made me feel many times like none of this is even real. I wouldn't trade the storytale-like quality my life's impressionistic imprint has had on me for anything.

Anyways, once you try this and have some success, then you can be sure that RV is very real, and take it from there. If you try and aren't successful the first time, particularly if you are new to meditation, don't give up. Focus on teaching yourself how to go into a state of pure awareness first. You can't get good at RV without being good at doing that first.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

take care,

eq

PS - For unguided meditations appropriate for such an exercise, I highly, highly recommend some of Dr. Jeffrey Thompson's materials. A small amount of it is too New Agey for my tastes, but out of everything out there, most of it is simply phenomenal tapestries of meditative pads and textures, the binaural encodings are excellent, if you look online try to find flac format and nothing lossy like wma or mp3.

[Carmody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_c6KQZNq0&feature=player_embedded#!

Drop the fears, loose the bankers, the false dream, the falling down of the world. Gain a pair of understandings. A feeling, a knowing of immense power..and responsibility.

It is an easy choice.

As I told my mother, when at the age of 13, I Had two complete life recalls, from birth to death. And suddenly I was a confused child with... memories of 135 years of living:

"Go Anywhere, Be Anywhere.

Do anything, Be Anything.

No Limits."




And as I write this, the synchronicity of timelessness does what it always does, when you immerse yourself in the flow. When you still yourself..and listen...It adds it's voice and sends this (which began playing as I typed the above quote):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JMSXU6FZk0

[ktlight]

eq1, thank you very, very much for your instructions.

The world is but a stage, as Shakespeare rightly said.
A hologram, and illusion. Your vivid RV took you to the right conclusion.

[Carmen]

Thank you Carmody, I enjoyed that presentation.

[Carmody]

Just a note for all:

It is interesting that people want the freedom but they don't seem to connect to the idea that the freedom is also the responsibility and that is tied to energetic capacity or the more negative human word of 'power'. It isn't power, per se, it is ability tied to responsibility which come together as an earned pair.

People project into their upset and fearful designs on 'absolute freedom' from within their ego, their conscious mind, trying to tell something (speaking AT the things their ego fears to understand) they don't know, something their conscious fears -reject. They attempt to steer that truth they cannot see from a point of blindness.

And in that they will always fail .. for they attempt to force a driving of the world and personal vehicle from a position of total conscious blindness.

Like a blacked out trailer with monkeys inside seeing nothing... and only feeling the motion of the actions remotely, the swaying and the bumps..those monkeys in the blacked out trailer try to dictate the driving the direction and the actions of the vehicle that is towing them.

This is what 99%+ of the people out there, that is what they are like.

You want the change, you clamor for it?

Then try stepping up to the plate, the real plate.

From right thought, comes right mind, comes right action.