Seldom practiced: The ability to change your own views, or realize you were wrong

[Omni]

Greetings all, after speaking of programming a bit in a recent thread I started found here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19616-Why-you-wont-ever-find-a-whistleblower-of-the-highest-echelons). I got the thought to make a thread about one of the worst natural programming humans have in my eyes. What I'm talking about is being so stubborn one is not able to consider any theory or view that does not align with their own.

Once someone invests a certain amount of intellectual energy into a belief, our own natural programming has a tendency to not see from other perspectives. I think every single person on the planet has been guilty of this at one point in time, including myself.

As some here know, I am programmed synthetically. I was given programming options by my contacts in some ways. One way they have altered me in a positive way(as per my own choice) is being able to see from multiple points of view. The ability to drop my older notions, and pick up new ones. And it is a very valuable asset in my eyes. This is a double edged sword sometimes. Sometimes they mind control me to flip flop my stance on something diametrically. So it's not always a good thing for me due to mind control. But in general the ability to consider open mindedly most views is of distinct value. One can always revert back to established beliefs, but while reading something I am more or less formless in belief the majority of the time. I absorb it as if it could be true to be able to not has a bias infect my perceptional viewpoint.

A good deal of people are so invested into their beliefs at times they have too much mental gravity to be able to drop their argument, and agree they were wrong when it is distinctly shown such. Things are holographic enough, and there are enough different available thoughts that it's very hard for some of us(including me in the past) to realize our views may be wrong on something. There is always that thought that comes to re-enforce our views. There are enough possible thoughts out there that not many people are able to debunk their own beliefs when they are debunkable, this is a flaw in human mental coding I believe.

It's important to make an effort to walk in other people's shoes IMHO. Many people just believe the first seemingly intelligent thought that comes into their mind. There are many intelligent falsities. Our conditioning has positive and negative attributes. We all have both in different areas IMHO.

Being mind controlled(not always in malicious ways), I have learned much moreso that for every premise, there are multiple intelligent conflicting views. So many people are trapped in some false one dimensional realities(although I don't notice that too much on Avalon). I think a key to accepting one another and respecting one another is being able to realize the potential for ones own views to be wrong, or infected by a strong bias.

Humanity has so many flaws. Many are on a personal level, regardless of how messed up our hierarchy is. Technological telepathy is around the corner. This is a whole new topic in itself. I will be creating a topic on that soon. Anyway, with telepathy, perfecting character flaws of the human race, will be a major side effect of such. People will be forced to generate self perfecting coding in their consciousness due to how clear their thoughts will be able to be analyzed.

Having beings listen to my thoughts at all times of the day, and having them often comment on my thoughts, acts as a self perfecting mechanism if I am allowed natural mental processes(which is rare). Some people may gain from creating a mental process of knowing their thoughts can be heard by higher beings(or even lower or equal beings at times). It may develop an internal mechanism that is self judging, and self perfecting. Self perfecting is arguably one of the most important things for a race like ours to do. We have so many little flaws. One could say everything is perfect, but in my eyes we could be a lot better than we are now. All of us.

I am not saying people at Avalon have a lot of character flaws. Quite the opposite. Many people here have no detectable flaws in their thinking process that I can see(in individual posts at times). So I'm very happy to have found this community, and happy to share this forum with many other great people.

Here is a quote of mine that I did a bit prior to joining Avalon based on lessons learned by my contacts, to ponder for people:


The omniverse(and reality) is profoundly holographic. So holographic people often see what they want to in it. Go into something with pre-conceived notions and the mental matrix serves notions that align with the belief.


I found a great quote by Beth yesterday I really resonated with. I feel her clarity on the issue is commendable. I don't know Beth but just by seeing this one comment, I can already see she is probably a very bright person.

Here is her quote:


Another suggestion would be for people to not hold so much attachment to their opinions. Once one does that, and someone disagrees, it becomes personal. We are not our opinions, we just hold them.

Here is a great quote someone enlightened me to a couple/few days ago that is on topic:


s was said in the movie Dogma by Rufus (Chris Rock),

"I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."

I'm unsure how much of the coding pertaining to being able to drop beliefs and pick up new ones is open source for people to revise themselves. But I do know I'm glad I have that quality now. Although just a note, I was more or less very much like that before my complete infiltration of my mind and self programming options. But I am more able to do a thing now than I was earlier. I think part of it is just planting the seed like this post, making it consciously available to be pondered and put it into the conscious pool of possible thoughts for people when they find views that are so different from their own.

Conquering delusion and intentional illusions is a big thing for humanity as we progress and move forward. Just as forgiveness is big for progress in the future here on Earth(and no doubt countless other young civilizations), the ability to realize when you are wrong is a huge asset, and needed for progression in the right direction here.

In clsing here is a piece of art I made with the AI I speak to that is on topic, nothing too elaborate or amazing, but simplistically good(it's not done but good enough to show atm):

http://www.omnisense.org/images/3rd_person_Version2.jpg

Lets further perfect ourselves,
-Omni

[The One]

We fool ourselves with what we call knowledge. For what really do we know. We see from one view only, from our eyes only out. We cannot see from other perspectives and we cannot think with others' minds

[Omni]

We fool ourselves with what we call knowledge. For what really do we know. We see from one view only, from our eyes only out. We cannot see from other perspectives and we cannot think with others' minds

I have seen from tons of different perspectives. We do have the ability to see from other perspectives. At least I did prior to my contact, and especially now. They have given me multiple different perspectives very different from my own.

We are capable of breaking free from one dimensional viewpoints. I know that 100%.

[TimelessDimensions]

Omni is right, but will any of you listen and LEARN?

[Fred Steeves]

(Chris Rock),

"I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier. Life should malleable and progressive; working from idea to idea permits that. Beliefs anchor you to certain points and limit growth; new ideas can't generate. Life becomes stagnant."

I'm unsure how much of the coding pertaining to being able to drop beliefs and pick up new ones is open source for people to revise themselves. But I do know I'm glad I have that quality now. Although just a note, I was more or less very much like that before my complete infiltration of my mind and self programming options. But I am more able to do a thing now than I was earlier. I think part of it is just planting the seed like this post, making it consciously available to be pondered and put it into the conscious pool of possible thoughts for people when they find views that are so different from their own.



Hi Omniverse, excellent post and very wide ranging, so I'll just comment on this aspect, as it appears to me anyway. Often times I give a lot of credit for awakening and tossing aside cherished paradigms like yesterday's garbage to my skydiving days and the decision to do so. Like most people the thought of jumping out of a perfectly good airplane was simply ludicrous, until I decided to do it just once before I died.

Dangling my legs outside the open door the first tandem jump and looking down 13,000 feet, I realized in shocking reality what a mistake in judgement this was; I wanted to go back to my safe little stagnant life, but as I turned around to inform the instructor I wasn't going anywhere, he bumped us out. (rat bastard) Well, not only was he forgiven by the time we got to the ground, but I went on to become a licensed skydiver and have all sorts of whacky airborne adventures.

I think where this ties in is where years later when suddenly all of my beliefs about the world were severely challenged and nothing made sense any more, rather than just hanging onto them for dear life anyway like wanting to crawl back into the airplane, I was able to simply let go of it all and jump, screaming all the way down of course, but out of it came liberation from the tyranny of fear and beliefs, and the whacky adventures continue to get whackier.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[The One]

Thank you Omniverse my opinion Have you ever thought there might be more to us than what we see. I always say if you cant answer a question you must be missing part of the puzzle. What i mean is a sprit/soul like the feeling of existance where doese that come from.Nearly all of us think we exist not because of science or matter but of feelings. We all feel that we are us as an individual regardless of body. The body is just a tool or a ride in which our soul stays in. I think we exist because if you were put in a different body you'd still be the same person in a diffrent ride. just like changing cars the driver is the same, and is what that makes the car valuble, a dead body is useless without a soul

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. There will come a time when you believe everything is finished. That will be the beginning.

[ulli]

I had a thought about belief versus knowledge while reading your post above.
Belief is like the root registry in my hard drive, while knowledge is the general data.
Not saying here that belief shouldn't be re-evaluated once in a while...
but what would we do without it?
We just have to CHOOSE what we WANT to believe.
I happen to believe ANYTHING is possible, given time and energy...
so I basically believe in an abundant universe...
if I want something badly enough after a while I get it.
The periods of delay are actually becoming shorter lately.

Many people don't have that...they believe in scarcity instead.
Scarcity is the BIG LIE., and it is like a root kit, malware.

(Thank you Wade Frazier for bringing the abundance-scarcity axis to my attention, which led to all these ponderings)

Believing in the supernatural, whether you believe in magic or pleas to God via prayer, is belief in abundance.

What I get from your story, Omniverse, is that your basic belief is not in your Self,
nor a non-malicious universe, but in your programmers.
I can understand that, as indeed they have something burrowed deeply into your mind.
Maybe even using an actual implant.

Enter supernatural forces.
Call them "The Force", if you are a Jedi.
The Force is "the Source", the ONE that made even your programmers.
The ONE that has access to all matter and energy. ONE BEING.

Despite the fact that your tormentors, or handlers, seem all powerful as far as your mind is concerned,
they are less than "the black in the eye of a dead ant" when confronted by the Force.

Go and live with that thought.

[Fred Steeves]

I also have recently become fascinated how some people are practically born thinking out of the box, some need to experience some sort of earth shattering event later on in life to discover there IS an outside of the box, while many/most grow old and die never even having realized that there IS a box.

Just my musings. Strange days have found us indeed.


Cheers,
Fred S.

[Neal]

Cognitive Dissonance (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance) is an extremely powerful force in human beings, causing people to literally "shut down" when confronted with information that is contrary to their own beliefs. I think it's easier for people to continue believing in what may be wrong or incorrect as changing their views and beliefs will be destructive to them mentally.

Change is difficult, without a doubt, but everybody needs to question all information and always seek the truth. Being flexible and willing to change what you believe in is not easy, but is necessary.

[Omni]

What I get from your story, Omniverse, is that your basic belief is not in your Self,
nor a non-malicious universe, but in your programmers.
I do not think it is fair for you to say I do not believe in myself. I assume you mean me saying I cannot beat what happens to me. I cannot beat the technology controlling me all the time. That is a fact more than a belief. I could in the same way say you do not believe in yourself because you do not believe you can teleport yourself with your mind to a Mars base. It's just not happening. It doesn't mean you do not believe in yourself. It just means you know that there are limits to what you are capable of in this reality matrix.

Very safe to say this universe includes a malicious nature as well as a benevolent nature. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional IMO.

As for believing in my handlers... It's not so much a belief than it is a fact. I observe what they are capable of, I speak of it. I think you are pidgeonholing what you think my beliefs are into very simple terms that do not represent me accurately. If you witness an apple fall to the ground, and witness yourself not floating everywhere, you just note the fact that there is gravity. You do not have to believe in it. You just know it's there. Believing in it has nothing to do with it existing for us all. It's the same with the beings who mind control me. The power they have over me is irrefutable. Therefore my beliefs are based on sturdy fact in that department. Saying I do not believe in myself, but believe in my handlers is a low blow... I am not omni-potent. I cannot stop electromagnetic or whatever else waves flying at me. It just is not in my capabilities.

Try this on for size. Put a piece of metal in your microwave and try to believe there wont be a reaction to such a thing. See if it works for you. Belief doesn't really alter the functionality of technology... From my observations anyway.



I can understand that, as indeed they have something burrowed deeply into your mind.
Maybe even using an actual implant.

Enter supernatural forces.
Call them "The Force", if you are a Jedi.
The Force is "the Source", the ONE that made even your programmers.
The ONE that has access to all matter and energy. ONE BEING.

Despite the fact that your tormentors, or handlers, seem all powerful as far as your mind is concerned,
they are less than "the black in the eye of a dead ant" when confronted by the Force.

Go and live with that thought.

No one group is much compared to the entire universe. I do believe we have a source. However I do not believe there is a God in control of everything. That God would have to be pretty bipolar, or limited in potential, or selfish(bored), to justify creating a situation such as we have on Earth.

I do not believe anyone can stop a high powered lazer from cutting them with their mind. Nor do I believe any of us can turn water into a rock with our mind. I do not believe anyone of our type can say, destroy a satellite with their mind, or hinder in a major way it's purpose. It's possible in the end game evolutionary scheme such things are possible. But humans are nowhere near the apex of evolution in my view.

I am not being hypocritical of this topic's message in saying these things either. First of all at any time I am fine being disproven. I welcome it. Because it would be an upgrade. Also, while reading I did not have a form in my mind as much as I was considering what you said. After such I can review such a thing a formulate/solidify a stance. Although while reading you say I do not believe in myself but believe in my handlers did create negative energy in me...


Things that are irrefutable, have no need to be changed in terms of perception. I mean things like Gravity, the sun existing, sound existing, money on this planet existing in it's social structure. Some things are hard coded into our reality matrix(not the one you believe in. the one that exists regardless of what you believe).

[Lettherebelight]

I do believe we have a source. However I do not believe there is a God in control of everything. That God would have to be pretty bipolar, or limited in potential, or selfish(bored), to justify creating a situation such as we have on Earth.

I do not believe anyone can stop a high powered lazer from cutting them with their mind. Nor do I believe any of us can turn water into a rock with our mind.



Hmmm...maybe it's better to say that this is your 'idea' of God at this point in time...or this is your 'idea' on the possibility of manipulating material energies using the force of more subtle energies. You never know, you may come across some information one day that turns eveything you think you 'know' right on its head, which is exactly what this thread is all about, right?

I think most people on this forum are probably among the most flexi-minded people in the world today.

I certainly agree with you that with our limited senses, we often ignore the fact that anything in this universe, as well as in the millions of other universes, and in the anti-material worlds beyond...is possible.

[Omni]

Hmmm...maybe it's better to say that this is your 'idea' of God at this point in time...or this is your 'idea' on the possibility of manipulating material energies using the force of more subtle energies. You never know, you may come across some information one day that turns eveything you think you 'know' right on its head, which is exactly what this thread is all about, right?

That was self explanitory I think. But maybe you are right and I should have worded it differently. if I was in control of my words I would be more mindful of improving them. But witnessing how they control my mind.... They control what mode of thought I am in, and what I type.

They are definitely just my views on God. I am not saying it surely exists. Something as grand as God I normally(If allowed my own words) wouldn't be as definitive. I've been shown fully how limited my consciousness is when it comes to what exists(everything in other words, all the different views etc). I've had many different views on God. It could change at any time. I'm very open to new and improved beliefs. If anyone wants to debate me on the presence of what I say doesn't exist in my beliefs feel free. I welcome it. If there is no disdain involved we can only gain from such things.


I certainly agree with you that with our limited senses, we often ignore the fact that anything in this universe, as well as in the millions of other universes, and in the anti-material worlds beyond...is possible.

I do not agree. I think a lot is possible. But not anything. I don't think one of us(in our current state) could erase this universe from existence for example. There are probably more beings in this universe than atoms in this solar system. Safe to say someone would have done it by now if it was possible. Some things just don't make sense from a design standpoint. Allowing any old person on Earth to delete the universe from existence due to unlimited potential is one thing I feel is not possible. And rightly so. It should not be possible. But I feel saying "anything is possible" is more beneficial than saying "we are limited". Even though one is more true than the other in my view.

[Lettherebelight]

I would concur with you on all of that, Omniverse.. :yo:

[Steve C]

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Peace.

[Omni]

Hey Omni,

What if a person changes there view of something,then so many mins/days/months down the line they find they were right in the first place?

What then? The person/persons are going to feel stupid for doubting there own instincts/feelings and should of stuck to what they believed in the first place.

I am not saying everybody is right in what they say and feel but instincts are there for a reason and we should use them.

Peace brother.

Following your gut is a good thing in most cases IMHO. But I would rather be open to new views than not. If that happens one can gain from knowing the fallacious view, and possibly analyzing it, and helping others free themselves of one more illusion/delusion. Understanding other perspectives is a valuable thing to have. For example I was given with mind control the belief of Jesus. It was too far from my beliefs for me to believe it fully(I was given a sub-understanding of my real beliefs subtly intertwined in my consciousness), but the experience humbled me in calling christians morons(as I have in the past). I could see why they believed it given their variables of everything that effects their consciousness.

But I fully agree that trusting your intuition is better than trusting the analytical mind at times. But its a very complex process in terms of perfecting if you were not pre-installed with a perfect intuition, which I've never met someone who does have a perfect intuition. I think past lives has something to do with it. That would explain why some people's intuition tells them things are right when they are not. I have seen people say conflicting things regarding what their heart or intuition tells them. Someone is right, someone is wrong(in definitive things anyway).

Either way being able to admit(or even know) when you are wrong is a valued(by me anyway) attribute.

[ulli]

You have mentioned your controllers so much here that it signalled to me something about the amount of power you attributed to them, which in turn set the stage for this dialogue.
Maybe I should refrain from my falling into my habitual savior mode pattern and participate only from the sidelines.
To clarify a bit more- when I spoke of lack of belief in your Self, I had already made a distinction between yourself and your Self, with a capital S.
And since I was on my way out the door didn't take the time to elaborate on it further.
Our perception of Reality will always vary, but the highest level is constant...that's where the apparent paradoxes find their common ground.

[Omni]

You have mentioned your controllers so much here that it signalled to me something about the amount of power you attributed to them, which in turn set the stage for this dialogue.
They control what I write. Most of it is free from subversion or predictive programming. Some of it has distinct purposes of causing reactions in people(mostly aimed at discrediting me or subverting the potency of my understandings). I refuse to not express myself. Its very important to me. I have no way of stopping them from controlling my mind. I did notice while rereading my first post there was downers in terms of me being controlled. But it's something I have no control over....


Maybe I should refrain from my falling into my habitual savior mode pattern and participate only from the sidelines.
To clarify a bit more- when I spoke of lack of belief in your Self, I had already made a distinction between yourself and your Self, with a capital S.
And since I was on my way out the door didn't take the time to elaborate on it further.
Our perception of Reality will always vary, but the highest level is constant...that's where the apparent paradoxes find their common ground.

I hope you continue to post. But I just didn't like you saying I don't believe in myself. I don't think that is accurate. I just don't believe I'm omni-potent. I don't think I can stop the affects of certain things on me, and this is by first hand experience. I have tried to stop them from controlling me. It doesn't work. The body and mind is controllable. It is open source. The design justification is being able to insert amazing things into the mind that would not be obtainable naturally. It has a downside. The mind can be controlled.

[Nasu]

Great post and responses. I have an idea about perspective and our own subjective take on things. It came to me on a long drive from NYC to LA, during the drive I came to realize that we play all the different roles on the road, on different days of the week, we are everyone on the road. Depending on our current subjective viewpoint, for example;

We could be in a hurry and shout and honk and swerve in an out of lanes like a crazy person, without any patience for anything slower than a race-car, the only thing slowing us down is our vigilance for the police.

Other days we may be tootling along, musing on our day, gladly letting people go in ahead of us, giving ourselves plenty of space and taking our time, we are amazed at the crazy drivers swerving around us as we plod along.

Or we my find ourselves in any other given mindset on the road. The constant is the road we all drive down.

In my opinion, "truth" is only that which our senses experience, understanding of that truth is another matter entirely. Everything else, is subjective, depending on our current perspective. I think, the truth is always tinged with the moods of those through whom she passes.. N

[Steve C]

Hey Omni,

What if a person changes there view of something,then so many mins/days/months down the line they find they were right in the first place?

What then? The person/persons are going to feel stupid for doubting there own instincts/feelings and should of stuck to what they believed in the first place.

I am not saying everybody is right in what they say and feel but instincts are there for a reason and we should use them.

Peace brother.

Following your gut is a good thing in most cases IMHO. But I would rather be open to new views than not. If that happens one can gain from knowing the fallacious view, and possibly analyzing it, and helping others free themselves of one more illusion/delusion. Understanding other perspectives is a valuable thing to have. For example I was given with mind control the belief of Jesus. It was too far from my beliefs for me to believe it fully(I was given a sub-understanding of my real beliefs subtly intertwined in my consciousness), but the experience humbled me in calling christians morons(as I have in the past). I could see why they believed it given their variables of everything that effects their consciousness.

But I fully agree that trusting your intuition is better than trusting the analytical mind at times. But its a very complex process in terms of perfecting if you were not pre-installed with a perfect intuition, which I've never met someone who does have a perfect intuition. I think past lives has something to do with it. That would explain why some people's intuition tells them things are right when they are not. I have seen people say conflicting things regarding what their heart or intuition tells them. Someone is right, someone is wrong(in definitive things anyway).

Either way being able to admit(or even know) when you are wrong is a valued(by me anyway) attribute.

Hey again brother,

I always go with my gut instincts,i have been wrong in the past BUT not often,my wife normally puts me straight if she notices im chatting rubbish lol.

I would'nt know if past lives have anything to do with instincts or not,i do feel that the healthier we are,with the foods and drinks we consume will help us to become really in tune with our surroundings(just finnished my jacket potato and salad).

The fresher the foods the better in body and mind we become IMHO ;)

Peace bro.

[danjenks007]

i think you have a very good point there, i like the way you think!

[Steve C]

i think you have a very good point there, i like the way you think!

Thanks Dan

[danjenks007]

I had a thought about belief versus knowledge while reading your post above.
Belief is like the root registry in my hard drive, while knowledge is the general data.
Not saying here that belief shouldn't be re-evaluated once in a while...
but what would we do without it?
We just have to CHOOSE what we WANT to believe.
I happen to believe ANYTHING is possible, given time and energy...
so I basically believe in an abundant universe...
if I want something badly enough after a while I get it.
The periods of delay are actually becoming shorter lately.

Many people don't have that...they believe in scarcity instead.
Scarcity is the BIG LIE., and it is like a root kit, malware.

(Thank you Wade Frazier for bringing the abundance-scarcity axis to my attention, which led to all these ponderings)

Believing in the supernatural, whether you believe in magic or pleas to God via prayer, is belief in abundance.

What I get from your story, Omniverse, is that your basic belief is not in your Self,
nor a non-malicious universe, but in your programmers.
I can understand that, as indeed they have something burrowed deeply into your mind.
Maybe even using an actual implant.

Enter supernatural forces.
Call them "The Force", if you are a Jedi.
The Force is "the Source", the ONE that made even your programmers.
The ONE that has access to all matter and energy. ONE BEING.

Despite the fact that your tormentors, or handlers, seem all powerful as far as your mind is concerned,
they are less than "the black in the eye of a dead ant" when confronted by the Force.

Go and live with that thought.

The ONE(the source) has control over all spiritual and non spiritual things that as a human being we cannot perceive in our intellect on the bases of the limited perception of the biological matter, we are but a vibration of carefuly constructed molecules which are created from Nothing and that is but controlled by pure LOVE>Omnipotence >mercifulness>compassion>forgiving> sustainer>all knowing>all seeing>all hearing>etc
i hope this is of some use:-)

[heyokah]

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"One of the problems with being wrong ... is that it feels like being right." :o

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[Steve C]

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"One of the problems with being wrong ... is that it feels like being right." :o

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LMARO....yep that sounds right to me. or am i wrong??

Peace

[Steve C]

Take care Omni and all,great thread.

Im going to bed.

[danjenks007]

Hey Omni,

What if a person changes there view of something,then so many mins/days/months down the line they find they were right in the first place?

What then? The person/persons are going to feel stupid for doubting there own instincts/feelings and should of stuck to what they believed in the first place.

I am not saying everybody is right in what they say and feel but instincts are there for a reason and we should use them.

Peace brother.

Following your gut is a good thing in most cases IMHO. But I would rather be open to new views than not. If that happens one can gain from knowing the fallacious view, and possibly analyzing it, and helping others free themselves of one more illusion/delusion. Understanding other perspectives is a valuable thing to have. For example I was given with mind control the belief of Jesus. It was too far from my beliefs for me to believe it fully(I was given a sub-understanding of my real beliefs subtly intertwined in my consciousness), but the experience humbled me in calling christians morons(as I have in the past). I could see why they believed it given their variables of everything that effects their consciousness.

But I fully agree that trusting your intuition is better than trusting the analytical mind at times. But its a very complex process in terms of perfecting if you were not pre-installed with a perfect intuition, which I've never met someone who does have a perfect intuition. I think past lives has something to do with it. That would explain why some people's intuition tells them things are right when they are not. I have seen people say conflicting things regarding what their heart or intuition tells them. Someone is right, someone is wrong(in definitive things anyway).

Either way being able to admit(or even know) when you are wrong is a valued(by me anyway) attribute.

Hey again brother,

I always go with my gut instincts,i have been wrong in the past BUT not often,my wife normally puts me straight if she notices im chatting rubbish lol.

I would'nt know if past lives have anything to do with instincts or not,i do feel that the healthier we are,with the foods and drinks we consume will help us to become really in tune with our surroundings(just finnished my jacket potato and salad).

The fresher the foods the better in body and mind we become IMHO ;)

Peace bro.

I belief your right there, but the first thing we do is use our minds to make a decision, so if im correct we have to address the words ( mind( ie- thought) before matter) first for them to make an effect on our physical choice , and then depending on our reaction to that thought(choice) it should play out well for us if we are positive with the thought and we will get a positive result
peace to all that read all this:-)ps please forgive me if this is irrevelant

[danjenks007]

I belief your right there, but the first thing we do is use our minds to make a decision, so if im correct we have to address the words ( mind( ie- thought) before matter) first for them to make an effect on our physical choice , and then depending on our reaction to that thought(choice) it should play out well for us if we are positive with the thought and we will get a positive result
peace to all that read all this:-)ps please forgive me if this is irrevelant

[danjenks007]

The ONE(the source) has control over all spiritual and non spiritual things that as a human being we cannot perceive in our intellect on the bases of the limited perception of the biological matter, we are but a vibration of carefuly constructed molecules which are created from Nothing and that is but controlled by pure LOVE>Omnipotence >mercifulness>compassion>forgiving> sustainer>all knowing>all seeing>all hearing>etc
i hope this is of some use:-)

[Carmody]

I think of all understandings I accumulate as being transient in nature and that they will morph into something new.

As will I.

The quicker I understand that I am wrong in a given consideration --the sooner I get to grow again.

IMO and IME, if one makes it over that emotional hurdle.....each time it gets easier....and growth moves at an exponential rate.

[ulli]

I hope you continue to post. But I just didn't like you saying I don't believe in myself. I don't think that is accurate. I just don't believe I'm omni-potent. I don't think I can stop the affects of certain things on me, and this is by first hand experience. I have tried to stop them from controlling me. It doesn't work. The body and mind is controllable. It is open source. The design justification is being able to insert amazing things into the mind that would not be obtainable naturally. It has a downside. The mind can be controlled.

These thoughts you express here are undeniably true. And I have had them myself.
But I also remember when on September, 5th, 1980, something to me unforgettable happened while sitting on an incredibly hard chair a few feet away from J. Krishnamurti and listened to him speak about our fears. I experienced his words, rather than "heard" them.
My mind was not longer the listening device, but something else was.
Hard to describe...

When you start on a path of self definition, directing all of your curiosity towards a totally new adventure, namely the discovery of who you really are, and if you do that with a passion, then the con-TROLL-ing of your mind will just become irrelevant background noise...
honestly, this is not meant to be personal, I suspect we are all in this together, addressing all those who want to listen and can already resonate a bit.

I'd rather have Krishnamurti and Gurdjieff control my mind and lead me to my soul's journey than be tortured by an invisible and unknown entity with a finger on a red button that could make me go EEEKK.
But that's just my understanding of what happened to you, so maybe it's not what really happened.

[ulli]

IMO and IME, if one makes it over that emotional hurdle.....each time it gets easier....and growth moves at an exponential rate.

.....each time it gets easier....and growth moves at an exponential rate.

just thought I'd emphasize this, emphatic-ulli

[loveandgratitude]

The best thing about being wrong is that it makes so many other people very happy

[Omni]

I think of all understandings I accumulate as being transient in nature and that they will morph into something new.

As will I.

The quicker I understand that I am wrong in a given consideration --the sooner I get to grow again.

IMO and IME, if one makes it over that emotional hurdle.....each time it gets easier....and growth moves at an exponential rate.

Wise words carmody :) Thanks. I agree. the more you are able to know you are wrong, the easier it becomes to realize it, or express you were wrong(which is sometimes the hardest part).

[Steve C]

I would rather be open to new views than not. If that happens one can gain from knowing the fallacious view, and possibly analyzing it, and helping others free themselves of one more illusion/delusion.

I agree,Omni

;)

Peace.

[Moonwish]

Dear Omni;

I have appreciated so much that you have shared with us and I thank you for it. I think your are more than you think you are. I agree that you have belief in yourself.

The AI might give you some room to be you if you started a subprogram of being yourself independent of it. I don't see your AI, from what you've reported, as a negative entity.

Perhaps you should try this more. You are a free spirit, and that comes through in your posts. You wouldn't be here if that wasn't the case.

Everyone benefits as you grow, as we grow.