Bombshell: Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag!

[jackovesk]

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack!


...Watch/Listen to the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik below...

Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

Dr. Steve Pieczenik: Bin Laden, The Oswald Like Patsy Died 10 Years Ago! Part 1/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded

Part 2/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeMlL3ANprI&feature=player_embedded

Part 3/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSpWaN7CEo&feature=player_embedded

Part 4/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r36tfTsS7To&feature=player_embedded

Part 5/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74dxhpsFrQc&feature=player_embedded

Part 6/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KjH49jm0vE&feature=player_embedded

Part 7/7


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxl9YSm57RY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html

PS - Smoking Gun anyone!!!

[Lord Sidious]

If this guy is genuine, this could be your most important post here yet jackonugget.
I see no reason to disbelieve him at this point.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Make me wonder what other "chips" they are waiting to be cashed in.

[T Smith]

I actually listened to the interview yesterday. Pretty compelling witness.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

If this is true and this guy is for real, i would be very worried in his shoes.....

[jackovesk]

If this guy is genuine, this could be your most important post here yet jackonugget.
I see no reason to disbelieve him at this point.

I Agree it could be the 'Smoking Gun' we've all been waiting for?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW93WQ98s-I&NR=1&feature=fvwp

As long as he stays safe and has some 'High Profile Protection'! Which seems to be the case.

...and there is at least 1 Honest Federal Judge left?

UPDATE...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/prisonplanetjonesreporttitlesteve.gif

Interview of Steve R. Pieczenik - Alex Jones Show - April 24, 2002 (Partial Transcript)

Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. He is a Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

AJ: Our guest tonight is Dr. Steve Pieczenik and he's one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers. He has over twenty years experience in resolving international crises, working for four U.S. administrations. Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger and Cyrus Vance and James Baker. Working with Secretary of State George Schultz, Dr. Pieczenik has used his psycho-political expertise for the Secretary's mediation of conflict in the Middle East between Israel, Jordan, Syria, again it goes on and on. He's got best selling books. He's basically an infowarrior, a crisis manager. In fact he, according to this and some of the news articles that we pulled up on him, coined the phrase, if these articles are accurate, this isnt even in his bio here, but it says it there in some of the news articles, the crisis mediation and its just endless. It says in one of the bios here that he is also a member of the CFR. Steve Pieczenik, I really appreciate you joining us on the show. Of course, he is also a doctor and PhD as well. Good to have you on the show this evening, Sir.

SP: Can I call you Alex?

AJ: You certainly can.

SP: You can call me Steve, Dr. Pieczenik or Steve, that's fine with me.

AJ: Well, Sir, I mean you've got a long bio here. (Crosstalk) just want to mention to the listeners out there.

SP: Sure, anyway what would you like to start with Alex?

AJ: Tell us a little bit more about yourself. Any key areas of your life, so folks know who you are.

SP: Sure, I'll be happy to. I started as a, I was a medical doctor training at Cornell University Medical College here. I worked my way up through scholarships and then got into the military. I was, during the Vietnam War, I was a very young O6, as many of you know, that is a colonel at the age of 32. I then went on to my training in psychiatry, at the same time at Harvard, and at the same time, I got a PhD from MIT in International Relations.

AJ: Now that was the first MIT PhD, in this particular form of psychology.

SP: Correct, Alex. And the reason for that was that I understood very clearly, a long time ago, thirty years ago that the very essence of relationships between countries and understanding what our national security is about has to lie in the psychological political arena. Its not, necessarily that I am interested in what mother did or your father did, but I am much more interested in what kind of image perception propaganda has been created against us and what propaganda information we have to create against someone else. For example, one of the presidents whom I served. Unfortunately, he is ill now. But one of the most brilliant presidents I served and most people don't recognize his brilliance. I think history will (garbled) and that is President Reagan, who was, as you know, an actor. But he had a photographic memory. And he understood the importance of psychology because he had been an actor and he understood that perception becomes reality. Well, this is a gentleman who using the study that I had worked on thirty years ago and had been intimately involved with him, using psychology and the concept of the perception, we were effectively able.. Its a team effort. I'm not saying myself only. But Reagan was effectively able and the Reagan administration to bring down an entire Soviet empire without firing a gun by simply manipulating the psychology of perception. That we were forcing them into bankruptcy, which we were through the SBI (?) program and at the same time, manipulating their mind using the Chief of Staff. If you want me to go through the detail and showing him what our military capabilities were. And once he saw that both on land and on sea, he basically gave up. And that was Akhromeyev, who was then Chief of Staff of the Soviet military who was an Admiral, and who eventually committed suicide. But from that point on, we broke the entire, we won a war without having to fire a bullet. And that is the kind of thing that I talk about psychological or psycho-political dimension.

You can read the rest the Transcript here...

an example of what you'll read...

AJ: Alright, I mean there are so many, my point is I've had these other guys up and they're pompous, they don't even seem that smart. Compared to having another talk show host on, but you seem very intelligent and obviously so, I mean working around all these people. I mean here you are talking about this bin Laden situation give us your intel on that or what you have heard of the info you have...

SP: Well, its not a good situation but it basically says to me that this is an orchestrated type of war and I think that I didn't want to believe it for a very long time. And then I said that somebody is orchestrating something here with the agreement of the bin Laden family, knowing fully well that he would die. And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spilled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan. Well, he was one of few that knew that he had a kidney problem. That wasnt well known before. Everybody thought he had a heart disease

AJ: Exactly, but we have him in this American, called the American hospital, and that report was confirmed

SP: That was confirmed that he had kidney disease. So, what happened there is that we have Bush, Sr., Bush, Jr, dealing with the bin Laden family and then going to war with this organization that we effectively created in 1970s and 80s, when we drove out the Soviet Union. And that was the conversion, again blowback, of the young mujahideen where we gave them armament through the CIA again and that was no great secret. Everybody knew that and then there was a blowback.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/jones_report_042402_pieczenik.html

Looks like some of the Real TRUTH is finally surfacing!

Enjoy...

[Neal]

I listened to this interview last night and I feel that he is speaking the truth. This interview is a MUST LISTEN or MUST WATCH.

He's actually back on Alex Jones' show right as we speak.

[Carmody]

If this guy is genuine, this could be your most important post here yet jackonugget.
I see no reason to disbelieve him at this point.

I Agree it could be the 'Smoking Gun' we've all been waiting for?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW93WQ98s-I&NR=1&feature=fvwp

As long as he stays safe and has some 'High Profile Protection'!

...and there is at least 1 Honest Federal Judge left?

That reminds me. I found a way, a while back, to accurize the barrel of projectile weapons..by a factor of approx 2x (potentials, estimated) for long range shooting or targeting. The components of the given accuracy for which the barrel is connected to, that is.

I left it on the ground and walked away. I'm not interested in the karma of such things, as one might imagine.

As for the person coming forward. Good for them. Join the ranks of the targeted, and when the ranks become too large, little can be done to target individuals in that group.

Too many targets - it becomes a mass movement.

[Leprechaun]

On the money Jack, thanks

[Rocky_Shorz]

Interesting backgrounds...


Paul Dundes Wolfowitz (born December 22, 1943) is a former United States Ambassador to Indonesia, U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense, President of the World Bank, and former dean of the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University. He is currently a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, working on issues of international economic development, Africa and public-private partnerships,[4] and chairman of the US-Taiwan Business Council.[5]

He is a leading neoconservative.[6] As Deputy Secretary of Defense, he was "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and ... its most hawkish advocate."[7] Donald Rumsfeld in his interview with Fox News on February 8, 2011 said that Wolfowitz was the first to bring up Iraq after 9/11 attacks during a meeting at presidential retreat at Camp David. After serving two years, he resigned as president of the World Bank Group "ending a protracted and tumultuous battle over his stewardship, sparked by a promotion he arranged for his companion...


Wolfowitz read about the Holocaust and Hiroshima as a boy and calls them "the polar horrors".[7] Speaking of the influence of the Holocaust on his views, Wolfowitz said:

"That sense of what happened in Europe in World War II has shaped a lot of my views ... It's a very bad thing when people exterminate other people...link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz)

Stephen John Hadley (born February 13, 1947, in Toledo, Ohio) was the 21st U.S. Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs (commonly referred as National Security Advisor)...


He had been Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Advisor from January 22, 2001. On January 26, 2005, he replaced Condoleezza Rice as National Security Advisor, upon Rice's confirmation as Secretary of State. He is currently a senior advisor for international affairs at the United States Institute for Peace in Washington, DC.[3]

Hadley served as a senior foreign and defense policy advisor to then-Governor Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign and worked in the Bush-Cheney Transition on the National Security Council. Previous to this position, he was a partner in the Washington, D.C. law firm of Shea & Gardner and a principal in The Scowcroft Group, Inc., an international consulting firm...
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hadley)

Elliott Abrams (born January 24, 1948) is an American lawyer and policy analyst who served in foreign policy positions for two Republican U.S. Presidents, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush...

Abrams first came to national prominence when he served as Reagan's Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs in the early 1980s and later as Assistant Secretary for Inter-American Affairs. His nomination to Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs was unanimously approved by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on November 17, 1981.[9] Abrams was Reagan's second choice for the position; his first nominee, Ernest W. Lefever, had been rejected by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on June 5, 1981.[9]

During this time, Abrams clashed regularly with church groups and human rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch.[10][11] and Amnesty International, over the Reagan administration's foreign policies. They accused him of covering up atrocities committed by the military forces of US-backed governments...

President George W. Bush appointed Abrams to the post of special assistant to the president and senior director for democracy, human rights, and international operations at the National Security Council on June 25, 2001...
link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams)

[thunder24]

What has been the real differences between Bush policy starting on 9/11 and Obama policy after he took office(not the flowery promises during the campaign)?
It isn't peace.
peace

[Rocky_Shorz]

he wasn't chosen by Cheney... ;)

[thunder24]

haaha, thats a good one

[W.C.]

Unfortunately, all this General needs to do is deny the conversation took place and dismiss the story, no judge in the world could convict the responsible on this Dr's testamony alone. Next, if the story moves forward, I assume we would see the attcking of the Dr's character, which the sleeping population would eat up in the face of such claims. However, considering the Dr's standing and ties, a revolution, or a behind closed doors retaking of America may be on the horizon... amazing news in any case.

Thank you.

[bennycog]

There have been so many smoking guns. We have been waiting for any one of them to be accepted by a decent MSM reporter to follow it up.. But non of them have the balls.. I wish i could go back and do journalism in school so i could help bring these jerkoffs to justice.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

I am about half way through this interview and there are some things highly suspect:

- If Dr. Steve Pieczenik knew 9/11 was a false flag why did he wait until now to speak his mind? He says he is shocked and upset that the American Gov. is lying to people. But that is no surprise to no one! Especially for someone in the intelligence community. So I question the timing of this "disclosure". The deaths and the cover up of the 9/11 event did not get him upset enough, but killing Osama Bin Laden a second (or third time) did !?

- Dr. Steve Pieczenik keeps giving high praise to the army (well, I guess because he is a military person), but being in the intelligence community he must know better than that.

- He is constantly attacking Obama making him look incompetent, and this interview looks more and more like an "anti-Obama" campaign

- If he did come out in 2002 about Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 and nothing happened, how is this new interview going to be any different? (unless is being used a distraction for something else)?

If you have watched/listened to the interview and you have a better understanding than I did, can you please comment?

[W.C.]

...and there is at least 1 Honest Federal Judge left?

Perhaps one who shows ethics, and has little to lose.

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/ap/old%20judge--325232116_v2.grid-4x2.jpg

Brown is the oldest working federal judge in the nation, one of four appointees by President Kennedy still on the bench. Federal judgeships are lifetime appointments, and no one has taken that term more seriously than Brown.

Brown — who was born on June 22, 1907, in Hutchinson, Kan. — is six years older than the next oldest sitting federal judge. At least eight other federal judges are in their 90s, according to a federal court database.

Brown has asked his colleagues to notify him if at any point they feel he is no longer able to do his job.

"As a federal judge, I was appointed for life or good behavior, whichever I lose first," Brown quipped in an interview.

"I will quit this job when I think it is time," Brown said. "And I hope I do so and leave the country in better shape because I have been a part of it."

"I do it to be a public service," Brown said. "You got to have a reason to live. As long as you perform a public service, you have a reason to live."

[loveandgratitude]

Maybe this is another piece of the puzzle. Worth a look......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqIQV4X-_io&feature=player_embedded

[jackovesk]

President Obama and a the 60 Minutes Interview: Regarding the non-release of Osama's picture.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/04/60_minutes_promo_obama_v2_110508_100x75.jpg

Firstly thanks to a New Member Flasky, who found this interview and posted it on another thread of mine. He asked for opinions as to whether Obama was telling the Truth or Not?

Here is my view on the interview for those that are interested...

Video 'Body Language' Analysis...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b8qBIPhVl8&feature=player_embedded

Steve Kroft: Did you see the pictures?

Obama: Yes

Analysis: Watch for the Blank look Stare that Obama gives (He then Blinks Twice), Watch his Lips turn down, Jaw tighten & Nods...(Lying)

Steve Kroft: What was your reaction when you saw them?

Obama: It was him

Analysis: Bows his head in shame with the same Blank Stare and Nods (Lying)

Steve Kroft: Why would'nt you release them?

Obama: Keep in mind we are absolutely certain this was him, blah blah blah...

Analysis: Professional Liers are trained to lie and look to right, not to the left which is the norm, gentlly shakes his head (signalling futher Deception), voice shallow in response, Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)!

Obama then quotes "Very graphic photos of somebody that was shot in the head" Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)

But watch his hands pointed inwards towards himself! Telling us he feels the same way and is only a Puppet delivering his Controllers Message! Again that Bowing of his head down to the right and Continually blinking throughout the interview without giving solid eye contact to the interviewer is a (Dead-Giveaway he is being Untruthful)..!

In Summary Obama is an "OUT 'n' OUT LIER"!

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=636529088258&id=d4b0f308c5ae6c27a14c2c49418dd1b0&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.about-knowledge.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2010%2f10%2f60-minutes-overtime.jpg

PS - I thought the photo above was appropriate because I think Obama A.K.A Barry Soetoro is into Overtime in his Presidency and the Full-Time Whistle Has Started to Blow!

[loveandgratitude]

Adrian Salbuchi discusses THE OSAMA SAGA with Darly Bradford Smith and what this could mean for the world's safety. How the PTB are desperate at this time and need a False Flag to get the world war going. Always an interesting dialogue between these two fine minds.

http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Salbuchi/TFC.SMITH.salibuchi.mp3

[Enquiring1]

For me, this is the first time I can honestly say with conviction that the PTB are weak and that they actually are not as in control as they first appeared. Try as they might.

Yes, I have heard this before but this is actual evidence...........

The PTB have divided the masses, by they are also divided themselves.

This reminds me of that parable of the Scorpion and the Toad.

[Neal]

Here's the 5 part interview from yesterday on The Alex Jones Show in case anybody is interested in watching/listening:

Part 1 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQglhA4FK8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQglhA4FK8I

Part 2 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOk2bXNy1E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYOk2bXNy1E

Part 3 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkOPbI6XYYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkOPbI6XYYQ

Part 4 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egemc9c9w5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egemc9c9w5A

Part 5 of 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zTuO1sA3sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zTuO1sA3sg

[ceetee9]

I haven't watch the video clips yet, but it occurred to me that if Bin Laden died in 2001 then all the video and audio clips he allegedly made since then had to be faked. Is there any evidence of this? Did Bin Laden make any references to events that occurred around the time the video or audio tape was made? If so, and the tape wasn't faked, how could he have known about future events?

[Dorok]

President Obama and a the 60 Minutes Interview: Regarding the non-release of Osama's picture.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/04/60_minutes_promo_obama_v2_110508_100x75.jpg

Firstly thanks to a New Member Flasky, who found this interview and posted it on another thread of mine. He asked for opinions as to whether Obama was telling the Truth or Not?

Here is my view on the interview for those that are interested...

Video 'Body Language' Analysis...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b8qBIPhVl8&feature=player_embedded

Steve Kroft: Did you see the pictures?

Obama: Yes

Analysis: Watch for the Blank look Stare that Obama gives (He then Blinks Twice), Watch his Lips turn down, Jaw tighten & Nods...(Lying)

Steve Kroft: What was your reaction when you saw them?

Obama: It was him

Analysis: Bows his head in shame with the same Blank Stare and Nods (Lying)

Steve Kroft: Why would'nt you release them?

Obama: Keep in mind we are absolutely certain this was him, blah blah blah...

Analysis: Professional Liers are trained to lie and look to right, not to the left which is the norm, gentlly shakes his head (signalling futher Deception), voice shallow in response, Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)!

Obama then quotes "Very graphic photos of somebody that was shot in the head" Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)

But watch his hands pointed inwards towards himself! Telling us he feels the same way and is only a Puppet delivering his Controllers Message! Again that Bowing of his head down to the right and Continually blinking throughout the interview without giving solid eye contact to the interviewer is a (Dead-Giveaway he is being Untruthful)..!

In Summary Obama is an "OUT 'n' OUT LIER"!

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=636529088258&id=d4b0f308c5ae6c27a14c2c49418dd1b0&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.about-knowledge.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2010%2f10%2f60-minutes-overtime.jpg

PS - I thought the photo above was appropriate because I think Obama A.K.A Barry Soetoro is into Overtime in his Presidency and the Full-Time Whistle Has Started to Blow!

Are there any objective facts to justify that summary conclusion, or should we all be persuaded by colored, bold font?

Also, why is no one focusing on the alleged DNA evidence that was gathered? Isn't that a bit more concrete than photos any way?

[Dorok]

Possibilities and how they effect me regarding the status of OBL:

He's been dead prior to this official declaration.
He was killed when the governement says he was.
He's still alive.


Effect on me: Nil, Zilch, Null.

Nothing that was blamed on OBL will stop happening regardless of his status. The level of truth or deception from official sources will not change by his status.

[JoshERTW]

Also, why is no one focusing on the alleged DNA evidence that was gathered? Isn't that a bit more concrete than photos any way?

I found the announcement that they had DNA evidence suspect - considering they announced it roughly 36 hours after the attack, and that even a "rushed" DNA test takes 72 hours to get results (it's not like on TV you see, but they assumed no one would notice that) - I believe this is another loose end.

Add to this that even if my time line is off as far as the announcment of the DNA evidence (I heard it on Monday morning), they would have had to take the DNA sample to a lab somewhere to get the test STARTED, let alone completed with results, and how many freindly high tech labs are in that neck of the woods? Not many within several miles of the battle I'd wager - closest one maybe in India somewhere?

[Lord Sidious]

I haven't watch the video clips yet, but it occurred to me that if Bin Laden died in 2001 then all the video and audio clips he allegedly made since then had to be faked. Is there any evidence of this? Did Bin Laden make any references to events that occurred around the time the video or audio tape was made? If so, and the tape wasn't faked, how could he have known about future events?

Non US corporation intelligence agencies have said that a few of the tapes they analysed were fake.
Probably computer simulated voice.

[Billy]

Thanks, Downloading videos now, I will wait to comment :whistle:

[jackovesk]

President Obama and a the 60 Minutes Interview: Regarding the non-release of Osama's picture.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/05/04/60_minutes_promo_obama_v2_110508_100x75.jpg

Firstly thanks to a New Member Flasky, who found this interview and posted it on another thread of mine. He asked for opinions as to whether Obama was telling the Truth or Not?

Here is my view on the interview for those that are interested...

Video 'Body Language' Analysis...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b8qBIPhVl8&feature=player_embedded

Steve Kroft: Did you see the pictures?

Obama: Yes

Analysis: Watch for the Blank look Stare that Obama gives (He then Blinks Twice), Watch his Lips turn down, Jaw tighten & Nods...(Lying)

Steve Kroft: What was your reaction when you saw them?

Obama: It was him

Analysis: Bows his head in shame with the same Blank Stare and Nods (Lying)

Steve Kroft: Why would'nt you release them?

Obama: Keep in mind we are absolutely certain this was him, blah blah blah...

Analysis: Professional Liers are trained to lie and look to right, not to the left which is the norm, gentlly shakes his head (signalling futher Deception), voice shallow in response, Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)!

Obama then quotes "Very graphic photos of somebody that was shot in the head" Head slanted down to the right again then stutters with delivery (Lying)

But watch his hands pointed inwards towards himself! Telling us he feels the same way and is only a Puppet delivering his Controllers Message! Again that Bowing of his head down to the right and Continually blinking throughout the interview without giving solid eye contact to the interviewer is a (Dead-Giveaway he is being Untruthful)..!

In Summary Obama is an "OUT 'n' OUT LIER"!

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=636529088258&id=d4b0f308c5ae6c27a14c2c49418dd1b0&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.about-knowledge.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2010%2f10%2f60-minutes-overtime.jpg

PS - I thought the photo above was appropriate because I think Obama A.K.A Barry Soetoro is into Overtime in his Presidency and the Full-Time Whistle Has Started to Blow!

Are there any objective facts to justify that summary conclusion, or should we all be persuaded by colored, bold font?

Also, why is no one focusing on the alleged DNA evidence that was gathered? Isn't that a bit more concrete than photos any way?

Hi Dorok,

New Member Flasky, who found this interview and posted it on another thread of mine, thought Obama wasn't being truthful and asked for opinions as to whether he was telling the Truth or Not?

Having said that, it is only my opinion backed up without fact but a fair bit knowledge and training in human body language.

Re - The DNA aspect? If Dr Steve Pieczenik is correct and Osama died of kidney failure in 2001. It would be a fair assumption that a DNA sample would have been kept on ice, to be produced when required.

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Regards,

Jack

[Flasky]

Jackovesk, I think you kick***! ;)

Just to confirm - I did post that clip and to my 'untrained' opinion, it did feel like he (Obama) was not been honest. And I did ask for other people's point of view - perhaps of ones with a better technique so to offer a more analytical view of the clip.

I have been (stalking-devouring-obsessing-seeking) ahem, reading Jackovesk's posts way before I decided to become a member and I find him to be rather clever with his 'highlighting' specific words in his posts.

Although he posses a very strong and sometimes ADAMANT point/opinion showcasing in his writing - I almost feel that his play with font and color is so that you can STOP and THINK, especially regarding particular passages were he might be poking at you to draw out YOUR OWN conclusions - and not necessarily agree with him.

I find this very admirable in someone. While he may have a very strong funded opinion already, he is still willing to make others think for themselves and WELCOMES -absolutely WELCOMES - other people's opinions and disagreements so that the theories keep on rolling.

:high5:

[noprophet]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

[jackovesk]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

Good question noprophet,

Sometimes I don't get it right but generally I highlight the words in RED that I really want to emphasise and Blue for points I feel are of worth to the reader!

What my Bolding really boils down to is this...

I will scour the Net to Expose Govt. Lies, NWO Globalists and their Agenda, Corruption & Deciept, etc wherever I find it.

I will pick an article out and Bold the points of interest, just like you would do if you were highlighting/underlining the important points of the text you need to memorise for an exam!

That way you know I have Firstly, 'Read the Text' not just 'Cut & Pasted it' and Secondly Highlighted those points which are the most important parts of the article.

Therefore the Reader can Choose to pick out the Highlighted parts or Read the entire article, its up to the individual.

I spend alot of time trying to bring as much 'Truth as I know it' into this Forum as I possibly can, stuff that I feel is Important and Needs to be Exposed to as many people as possible!

...also I am a Visual thinker and often Mindmap concurrent analysis I find and share that with the reader aswell. e.g. Trying to Connect-The-Dots as we all journey deeper into the 'Rabbit Hole'.

I hope that gives you a little more insight as to Why I do it...

Regards,

Jack

[ponda]

Possibilities and how they effect me regarding the status of OBL:

He's been dead prior to this official declaration.
He was killed when the governement says he was.
He's still alive.


Effect on me: Nil, Zilch, Null.

Nothing that was blamed on OBL will stop happening regardless of his status. The level of truth or deception from official sources will not change by his status.


Yes i agree that it doesn't really matter at the moment whether he died before or recently.It might matter later on if he is still alive but the consensus is that he isn't alive.

Some people say that the future is not time driven but event driven as in a sequence of events.If this is the case then i would guess that the 'official' announcement of the killing of OBL by the US government is an important sequential event.This announcement could well have a large rippling effect moving into the future.

I don't think we will have to wait too long before we get another major sequential event.Hopefully it will be of a positive nature.

[jackovesk]

Jackovesk, I think you kick***! ;)

Just to confirm - I did post that clip and to my 'untrained' opinion, it did feel like he (Obama) was not been honest. And I did ask for other people's point of view - perhaps of ones with a better technique so to offer a more analytical view of the clip.

I have been (stalking-devouring-obsessing-seeking) ahem, reading Jackovesk's posts way before I decided to become a member and I find him to be rather clever with his 'highlighting' specific words in his posts.

Although he posses a very strong and sometimes ADAMANT point/opinion showcasing in his writing - I almost feel that his play with font and color is so that you can STOP and THINK, especially regarding particular passages were he might be poking at you to draw out YOUR OWN conclusions - and not necessarily agree with him.

I find this very admirable in someone. While he may have a very strong funded opinion already, he is still willing to make others think for themselves and WELCOMES -absolutely WELCOMES - other people's opinions and disagreements so that the theories keep on rolling.

:high5:

Thanks for your support Flasky and Welcome to Avalon, your analysis of what I am about is SPOT ON..!

What really makes me proud of being a member of Avalon was your statement...

"That you have been reading our posts way before you decided to become a member"

As you can see in an older post here...



In the end my Mission is to Share as much of the TRUTH as I know it, with as many people as I can and am always Mindful of the 1,000's of non-members who frequent this forum and read our posts aswell.

...and Avalon is Still one the best forums to use...IMHO


I am very aware when I post to be mindful of those 1,000's of non-members who frequent this Forum and learn from and read our posts.

...and it is important to be mindful of them and share the 'Truth as you know it' with them aswell.

...although I've had disagreements with some Avalonians in the past and quite possibly in the future, I hope most of you know through my posts, I am on your side and want to Defeat the Corrupt NWO Globalists and their Minions aswell..!

Thanks again for your kind words it is greatly appreciated and it is great to see other Truthseekers have been reading our version of the Truth here at Avalon.

Regards,

Jack

[Fructedor]

Thank you Jackovesk for posting the Alex Jones interviews with Dr. Pieczenik - astonishing information. I'll be watching the second video today. More and more people are beginning to wake up and smell the lies.

[oceanz]

Whom has the 12 year old girl considered to be her father for the last 12 years??

[Calz]

Originally Posted by Flasky


Jackovesk, I think you kick***!

What else would we expect from Neo??? :neo:

Sorry for overlap posting this on several threads but there are several osama threads and this is worth a look:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tOpzAxSnc1M

[Calz]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

Your join date was Jan 3rd ...

Flashback ...

remember Charles???

remember needing to scan through a cajillion posts in whatever time you had to be here???

color helps :)

[noprophet]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

Your join date was Jan 3rd ...

Flashback ...

remember Charles???

remember needing to scan through a cajillion posts in whatever time you had to be here???

color helps :)

rofl, totally understandable - though I can say I read just about every single post in those threads. Some nights I didn't even sleep :P

[Fructedor]

Thanks for the SOTT Report Calz

[Dorok]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

Good question noprophet,

Sometimes I don't get it right but generally I highlight the words in RED that I really want to emphasise and Blue for points I feel are of worth to the reader!

What my Bolding really boils down to is this...

I will scour the Net to Expose Govt. Lies, NWO Globalists and their Agenda, Corruption & Deciept, etc wherever I find it.

I will pick an article out and Bold the points of interest, just like you would do if you were highlighting/underlining the important points of the text you need to memorise for an exam!

That way you know I have Firstly, 'Read the Text' not just 'Cut & Pasted it' and Secondly Highlighted those points which are the most important parts of the article.

Therefore the Reader can Choose to pick out the Highlighted parts or Read the entire article, its up to the individual.

I spend alot of time trying to bring as much 'Truth as I know it' into this Forum as I possibly can, stuff that I feel is Important as Needs to be Exposed to as many people as possible!

...also I am a Visual thinker and often Mindmap concurrent analysis I find and share that with the reader aswell. e.g. Trying to Connect-The-Dots as we all journey deeper into the 'Rabbit Hole'.

I hope that gives you a little more insight as to Why I do it...

Regards,

Jack

I think what might help is a bit of structure to make it obvious when you are quoting someone else and adding your emphasis to their content. I realize that sounds picky, but it's really hard to discern whether or not you are 'speaking' or if it's someone else. Quoting and tampering with the content of another can raise serious issues like plagiarism. I do appreciate the nuggets you dig up, and I'll do my best to keep a lid on my issues regarding style.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Possibilities and how they effect me regarding the status of OBL:

He's been dead prior to this official declaration.
He was killed when the governement says he was.
He's still alive.


Effect on me: Nil, Zilch, Null.

Nothing that was blamed on OBL will stop happening regardless of his status. The level of truth or deception from official sources will not change by his status.


Yes i agree that it doesn't really matter at the moment whether he died before or recently.It might matter later on if he is still alive but the consensus is that he isn't alive.

Some people say that the future is not time driven but event driven as in a sequence of events.If this is the case then i would guess that the 'official' announcement of the killing of OBL by the US government is an important sequential event.This announcement could well have a large rippling effect moving into the future.

I don't think we will have to wait too long before we get another major sequential event.Hopefully it will be of a positive nature.

So, with this perspective, are you saying that the announcement has more weight than the death of OBL?

[HaveBlue]

Thank you very much. this is the reason why i can't agree with David wilcock on this one.
I unlike some on this thread have watched all the vids twice so far. (2 days ago on Alex Jones site BTW) what colour a poster chooses to use here has nothing to do with anything.

I think some of us think we've just identified a shill. We will not be sidetracked away from the real issue into piffle thank you so do not bother, we are not stupid.:rolleyes:

[ponda]

Dorok said:

So, with this perspective, are you saying that the announcement has more weight than the death of OBL?


In a way yes.

As far as the majority of people on the planet are concerned the announcement of obl's death is true and factual....to them it really happened.This goes for all of the terrorists as well.Suddenly obl is a martyr....whether he's been dead for 10 years or still lives.I would guess that the reactions and repercussions from this announcement whether true or false could be far reaching.The 'announcement' might have set off a chain of events.

[Pagan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeF2KWU561k

[Wings]

I think what might help is a bit of structure to make it obvious when you are quoting someone else and adding your emphasis to their content. I realize that sounds picky, but it's really hard to discern whether or not you are 'speaking' or if it's someone else. Quoting and tampering with the content of another can raise serious issues like plagiarism. I do appreciate the nuggets you dig up, and I'll do my best to keep a lid on my issues regarding style.

I do not wish to sidetrack this thread nor detract from the material presented, but you have raised a VERY GOOD point that needs to be noted by many posters.
I'm seeing this a lot of late, and not just in this forum.
Excessive highlighting, and the need to over-emphasise the importance of the material presented (with words like IMPORTANT, THE REAL TRUTH, BOMBSHELL and the use of lots of !!! etc.) seems to be the norm these days. The lack of quotation marks, by many posters, does make it hard sometimes to discern who is speaking. I now find myself going to the bottom of all posts looking for a link, then going directly there to read the material.

[Lord Sidious]

As for the Bold font? Its just a habit I got into, my apologies if it annoys you.

Not to go O/T, but out of curiosity - how do you decide what words to make red and what words to make blue?

Your join date was Jan 3rd ...

Flashback ...

remember Charles???

remember needing to scan through a cajillion posts in whatever time you had to be here???

color helps :)

rofl, totally understandable - though I can say I read just about every single post in those threads. Some nights I didn't even sleep :P

Ok, I am going to have a word with the mod staff then.
We will have to change your username.
It will still start with N and end with T, but less letters in between. :p

[Spartacus]

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.


Steve Pieczenik is a prolific writer of political espionage novels. He is a professional conspiracy theorist! So some bloke in the pub told him that Bin Laden died ten years ago - are we to supposed to believe that?

Now take a look at President Obama's body language in this recent TV broadcast announcement and tell me if you think he's lying.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes&feature=None_mf

[majapahit]

since no one seems to be addressing your remarks, let me have a go at it ;)


Hello,

I am about half way through this interview and there are some things highly suspect:

- If Dr. Steve Pieczenik knew 9/11 was a false flag why did he wait until now to speak his mind? He says he is shocked and upset that the American Gov. is lying to people. But that is no surprise to no one! Especially for someone in the intelligence community. So I question the timing of this "disclosure". The deaths and the cover up of the 9/11 event did not get him upset enough, but killing Osama Bin Laden a second (or third time) did !?


Dr. Steve Pieczenik states he is an 'entrepeneur' now ..

.. which seems to mean that when he left the government 'it is the new team that has to be on watch'
.. and is somewhat of a professional abberation 'not my job any more'




- Dr. Steve Pieczenik keeps giving high praise to the army (well, I guess because he is a military person), but being in the intelligence community he must know better than that.



'but being in the intelligence community he must know better than that.'

.. again, a professional abberation? he's an psychiatrist, ever met one outside of the Zoo?
.. AND he is military people, so he is thick headed twice

.. he has his 'loyalty' to Bush Sr.

.. dah

(.. another prof. abb.)



- He is constantly attacking Obama making him look incompetent, and this interview looks more and more like an "anti-Obama" campaign


.. seems to me he is very very very 'P*&^ Off'
.. he does mention 'Republicans do not have an alternative'
.. also again, here is a 'militairy mind' surfacing. Obama seems to have gay relations, so does Rahm Emanuel, and - of course - that is to be looked 'down upon', they're not 'real men', to be made fun of, ah well

.. Dr. P seems to be disappointed in anything 'politician', left or right



- If he did come out in 2002 about Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 and nothing happened, how is this new interview going to be any different? (unless is being used a distraction for something else)?


.. Dr. P heard Alex Jones mention him / his name, the other day, when AJ referred to 'old disclosures' concerning Osma BL 'to be dead 10 years ago'

.. it seems Dr. P was pleasantly surprised that Alex J. remembered that old interview, and one might assume it was he who then contacted AJ for this present interview

.. and he saw an opportunity, 'as a present civilian & entrepeneur' to share old and present views with AJ & the public



If you have watched/listened to the interview and you have a better understanding than I did, can you please comment?

Dr. P is a Military Psychiatrist hired to do cold & hot war propaganda operations ..
.. he's a special breed
.. he must obviously be intelligent

.. he's obviously also a dinosaur specimen
.. and should read more Avalon posts

.. he could learn a lot then of our Meta Reality

2cts :hat:




EDIT:
your ".. unless is being used a distraction for something else'

.. if you perhaps expect to smell a rat somewhere
.. on second thought
.. I might also
.. perhaps


In my estimation, Obama was scripted to run for a second term ..
.. perhaps someone changed his mind?
.. like perhaps the Bush Sr. faction

.. this will show soon enough

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=Ilie Pandia;211588]Hello,

I am about half way through this interview and there are some things highly suspect:

- If Dr. Steve Pieczenik knew 9/11 was a false flag why did he wait until now to speak his mind? He says he is shocked and upset that the American Gov. is lying to people. But that is no surprise to no one! Especially for someone in the intelligence community.

Indeed Ilie, who is this non barking dog?

Why has this dog suddenly started barking?

Why no barks for the last ten years?



So I question the timing of this "disclosure".

You have every right to question the timing. Could it be I wonder that recent events in Milton Keynes England have cause the dogs to suddenly discover they can bark!

It’s strange isn’t it that the dogs are starting to bark...

The Obama birth certificate.
The Osama death certificate
Suddenly after two years, two black box flight recorders have been found, and recovered from a depth of 13,000 feet in the tropical Atlantic.
The Canadian elections took a new twist.
A non barking dog runs towards his masters media friend in Austin Texas.

The whole world looks south towards Texas instead of North and Canada.



The deaths and the cover up of the 9/11 event did not get him upset enough, but killing Osama Bin Laden a second (or third time) did !?

Friends say the jackals are gathering.



7235



- Dr. Steve Pieczenik keeps giving high praise to the army (well, I guess because he is a military person), but being in the intelligence community he must know better than that.




7236

6000+American *dead, 80,000 wounded 11,000 limbless.. too little and too late many say.

* Coalition excluded.




- He is constantly attacking Obama making him look incompetent, and this interview looks more and more like an "anti-Obama" campaign


The ptb are fighting like ferrets in a sack. Obama wears a different colored shirt compared with this non barking dog



- If he did come out in 2002 about Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 and nothing happened, how is this new interview going to be any different? (unless is being used a distraction for something else)?


7237

Gen Maurice Baril (Retd))

Vancouver is constantly e mailing Stephen Harper cc Nigel Farrage, Leader United Kingdom Independent party (UKIP) regarding the performance of Canadian General Maurice Baril.

In the joint US / Canadian war game exercise operation “Global Guardian” (strange name) held on 9/11 General Baril was officer commanding of all United States air force units.

The American people require an explanation.

Why was the US Air Force air defence system for the purpose of this exercise under the command of Gen Baril compromised on September 11 2001?

Why were three F16 fighters scrambled and then routed towards Delta Whisky three air space in the opposite direction? Who was this rogue controller?


The American and Canadian people need to know why this man;


7238


Col Russell Williams RCAF Trenton Base Commander.


Was flying a Bombardier Cl-144 command support aircraft in the vicinity of New York City on 9/11 while US Airspace coast to coast was closed?

[Fred259]

7243

Charles Frank “Chic” Burlingame III.

Captain. American Airlines Flight 77

Murdered. September 11 2001.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/cfburling3.htm




7242




Wendy Burlingame.

Daughter of Charles Burlingame.


Died December 5 2006 in a house fire Guttenberg NJ.

Wendy Burlingame, had constantly questioned the truth that her daddy would hand over his aircraft to so called Muslims armed with box cutters (Stanley knives)


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/nyregion/06fire.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Therefore;
I,____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. I swear (or affirm) that I am fully aware and fully understand the conditions under which I am enlisting.

[Pagan]

A good question, why didn't Dr. Steve Pieczenik speak up 10y ago? One reason might be that he wanted to live 10 more years. There must be hundreds of government personel outside the plot that knows or have strong suspicions about the event. No one can step forwards as they can't really go an "call the cops" If one puts one self in his, or any other government persons clothes, It's easier to have a view. He maybe just brought up the courage and stepped forwards, maybe others will follow. The truth would eventually get the uper hand.

And in the end: He is saying 9 11 was an inside job, not the opposite.

[Ilie Pandia]

And inn the end: He is saying 9 11 was an inside job, not the opposite.

I believe more and more that nothing will come of this "disclosure". We here knew about this as did Alex Jones. Dr. Steve Pieczenik will not go to a federal judge, In a couple of weeks (days!?) all this will be buried under more "pressing, shocking, important news". Same fate will have the "birth certificate issue". They both canceled each other.

[Pagan]

I believe more and more that nothing will come of this "disclosure". We here knew about this as did Alex Jones. Dr. Steve Pieczenik will not go to a federal judge, I a couple of weeks all this will be buried under more "pressing, shocking, important news".

Maybe so, but it's still a statement to the "right" direction, what so ever. The majority of people also still believes that a bunch of arabs with box-cutters lead from a cave did it. I know several journalists here in Sweden who believes in the "cave-arab-theory", appalling enough!

[W.C.]

I much agree, Ilie. The good Dr Pieczenik simply cannot go to a federal judge without the currently anonymous Generals backing, and even then, the General would need some evidence before any court in the world would accept the case. The news is excellent disclosure wise as it provides the testimony of one who has been up there, influenced propaganda, and still plays a role.

I believe the good Dr Pieczenik's value is in his statements and position, which helps raise awareness, much like the good Dr Ron Paul's campaigning... And just as Dr Ron Paul will not get elected, the good Dr Pieczenik's disclosure will not begin a federal trial.

Awareness is rising. How we go forward is up to us. We don't need a hero, nor will we have one. The true revolution will be a result of humanity at it's finest.

[felixq78]

Thanks for the comprehensive piece on this story. I heard it on Alex Jones yesterday, twas great but the additional information on Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik's background adds heaps of credibility to his statement.
I'm absolutely stunned at the number of people who've just swallowed the official Bin Laden story. Especially our Australian media. Not one has questioned the veracity of this BS PsyOp. I won't be able to watch the mainstream news EVER AGAIN, it's just too infuriating.
Even without evidence like this, it just stood out as total BS. We've heard absolutely "nothing" from this dude for 10 years [except for 3 or 4 obviously faked videos, one of which was some other guy with a beard but with darker skin, a broader nose, different eyes,...etc Yaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! Why can't they see it???]
And then out of the blue timed perfectly for Obama so he deflects interest from his BIRTH CERTIFICATE saga, they say he's been found and killed, also giving them a somewhat lame excuse to go into Pakistan to start another war. These psychopaths have to be stopped, it's become totally out of control, it's like some black comedic nightmare from which we can't awaken. Please someone hit me over the head with a sledge hammer so I can wake up from this !!!

[Hervé]

Well, well, well... what do we know with certainty? That it's a true psyop disinfo sandwich of lies.

Thtat's the only certainty one can rely on.

Why?

According to this other high ranking CIA whistleblower -- Dr. Sue Ann Arrigo, nephrologist -- OBL was still alive, although unwell, in 2004 as she treated him for his renal condition on American soil! That's right, he was in the US in 2004 for a kidney transplant!

She stated this on the Michael Herzog's American Awakening radio show on May 1st, 2008.

Hence the very clever question asked regarding that stormed compound: Where's the dialysis equipment?

Other infos from Dr. Arrigo can be found here:

http://coverthistory.blogspot.com/2007/06/short-trip-to-spookyville-dr.html (read the comments as well)

http://avalonlibrary.net/Sue_Arrigo/

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=137&contentid=4451

[Pagan]

If Bin Laden died 2001 or later, doesn't really change much in the end, doesn't it?

[Fred259]

If Bin Laden died 2001 or later, doesn't really change much in the end, doesn't it?

I take your point Pagan, at the end of the day you are right.

It does show however that the war on terror is completely bogus.

Countless have died.

I was reading a post earlier about the London subway bombing on 7/7. They didn’t even carry out post mortem examinations on those who died.

The blogger correctly pointed out that Blair wanted to join Bush on this expedition of terror, but given that no terror existed in the UK they just created one as justification for inclusion in a club.

The sooner they are all shipped to The Hague the better.

[Dorok]

Dorok said:

So, with this perspective, are you saying that the announcement has more weight than the death of OBL?


In a way yes.

As far as the majority of people on the planet are concerned the announcement of obl's death is true and factual....to them it really happened.This goes for all of the terrorists as well.Suddenly obl is a martyr....whether he's been dead for 10 years or still lives.I would guess that the reactions and repercussions from this announcement whether true or false could be far reaching.The 'announcement' might have set off a chain of events.

Thank you. I think this line of thinking might be worth expanding on.

So, let's talk about why the majority of the people on the planet finally believing OBL is dead is important. Are you suggesting something of a spiritual nature or more of a practical planning/scripting by mere mortals?

[Lord Sidious]

Dorok said:

So, with this perspective, are you saying that the announcement has more weight than the death of OBL?


In a way yes.

As far as the majority of people on the planet are concerned the announcement of obl's death is true and factual....to them it really happened.This goes for all of the terrorists as well.Suddenly obl is a martyr....whether he's been dead for 10 years or still lives.I would guess that the reactions and repercussions from this announcement whether true or false could be far reaching.The 'announcement' might have set off a chain of events.

Thank you. I think this line of thinking might be worth expanding on.

So, let's talk about why the majority of the people on the planet finally believing OBL is dead is important. Are you suggesting something of a spiritual nature or more of a practical planning/scripting by mere mortals?

You know of the law of attraction?

[majapahit]

.. The sooner they are all shipped to The Hague the better.
'The Hague' is a New World Order institution ..
.. bought & paid for

I suggest ..
.. you get used to the idea of having to handle the rope yourself

:spy:

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(or rather, those able bodied men & women .. called to do duty)

[ponda]

Dorok said:

So, let's talk about why the majority of the people on the planet finally believing OBL is dead is important. Are you suggesting something of a spiritual nature or more of a practical planning/scripting by mere mortals?

To the majority of people OBL's 'announced' death is just a bit of passing news...."oh they finally got him" etc... but to certain people it might be a big motivating force that might inspire them to react somehow.I'm talking about the taliban,alqueda(if they exist),misc terrorists and various others etc.IMHO it might only take one or two minor perceived terrorist incidents to occur for the establishment to 'over react' and possibly clamp down on personal freedoms more or do something else that might infringe on the average persons rights etc or they might do something else say in the ME for example.

I find your linking of 'spiritual nature' and mortal planning scripting to these events interesting.Yes i suspect that there is a higher negative force involved with much of this and i suspect that it plays both sides off against each other.It might influence the establishment AND the terrorists at the same time.

[Dorok]

Dorok said:

So, let's talk about why the majority of the people on the planet finally believing OBL is dead is important. Are you suggesting something of a spiritual nature or more of a practical planning/scripting by mere mortals?

To the majority of people OBL's 'announced' death is just a bit of passing news...."oh they finally got him" etc... but to certain people it might be a big motivating force that might inspire them to react somehow.I'm talking about the taliban,alqueda(if they exist),misc terrorists and various others etc.IMHO it might only take one or two minor perceived terrorist incidents to occur for the establishment to 'over react' and possibly clamp down on personal freedoms more or do something else that might infringe on the average persons rights etc or they might do something else say in the ME for example.

I find your linking of 'spiritual nature' and mortal planning scripting to these events interesting.Yes i suspect that there is a higher negative force involved with much of this and i suspect that it plays both sides off against each other.It might influence the establishment AND the terrorists at the same time.

I only asked the spiritual vs. mere mortal question to determine which direction you were coming from with your analysis. I find it much easier to discuss mortal issues than spiritual since there is a bit more 'concrete-ness' to those 'facts' and 'evidence'.

I think we have some concrete evidence already of the over reaction you mentioned with the new proposed security screening for Amtrak after a plot idea was discovered in the OBL raid. I have to ask myself, "Did we not consider commuter rail a potential terrorist target before?" I'm quite certain we did!! Combine that with the proposal for new burdensome data requirements for US passports (and lots of other travel related difficulties), and it seems as if US citizens are trying to be kept in country.

Now that's a new realization for me, but I think that might be worth keeping in mind when looking at upcoming news.

If that thesis has merit, then we need to consider whether or not we are being penned in for 'our own good' or not. I've heard many witnesses say that the US will survive (Charles/Atticus was one) any SHTF shenanigans. Seems odd to feel 'protected' by nefarious types that might plan to hurt the rest of the world. Or maybe the converse is true, we're being isolated for negative reasons. Who knows what's considered right/wrong at higher levels?