Paul McCartney really is Dead

[foxtastic]

I just watched a new documentary that really got me thinking titled "Paul McCartney Really is dead". I'm 31 years old so I'm too young to remember when the story was big, a long time ago. It was a very interesting Doc, but I definitely don't believe everything in it (like most things, I take what feels right and leave the rest). This case in particular really has me "scratching my head". I always thought of Paul (Faul, fake Paul) as kinda of the more nefarious of the 4, but never thought that he might be a body double!!! I was wondering if any of the members have researched this topic before (especially some of the older members) , and if so what is your take on the story?

I found a copy of the torrent on a fantastic search engine i discovered the other day concen.org. This is an engine that is primarily dedicated to conspiracy research, and i recommend everybody become a member.

Thanks alot Dan

[foxtastic]

Alright its been a few days since i first discovered the "Paul is Dead" story, and I'm not much further along than I was before. The only conclusion I have come up with is, "The Beatles aren't what I thought they were." And I'm not one to discount strange things easily. I think that they were like so many of my heroes as a kid turned out to be, "wolves in sheep's clothing". A perfect example is a scene i became familiar with "the Grateful Dead tour scene". When I was younger I thought of it as "rebellion against the system", and this was very true for each individual, but it wasn't tell I'd grown up a little bit that I realized , "it was the system itself that was putting on the show." No matter how much I still love these bands, and the music I can't help thinking of them as "Pied Pipers".
Anyhow this is the best video I've found on the McCartney Conspiracy "The Winged Beatle".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsPCQ932vlU&feature=player_detailpage

[Enquiring1]

I'd grown up a little bit that I realized , "it was the system itself that was putting on the show." No matter how much I still love these bands, and the music I can't help thinking of them as "Pied Pipers".

Very well put Foxtastic!

Its funny you say that because when I was growing up my favorite band was Metallica, and in there early years there lyrics were very "Conspiracy" orientated.

These days they are very main stream and I was wondering the exact thing you just mentioned.

[shijo]

hmmm if he is dead his new wife to be aint gonna get much fun,mind you ive heard necrophilia is all the rage in the upper echelons.... seriously folks he aint dead i saw him in liverpool 2 years ago, and although the voice was croaky the bass playing was amazing and typically Paul.these rumours were first scotched in 1968 when they appeared. Now if you had been talking about Bin Laden.........

[Autumn]

Very masonic movie ... don't really know what to think.

[Fred259]

Interesting post…

[GK76]

Thanks of the link. :)

I've been following the 'conspiracy' for about 15 years (being only 34 myself)... always waiting for the next revelation. It has seemed that there is too much evidence and strangeness to possibly ignore or put down to coincidence (not that I believe coincidence exists, life keeps showing me patterns). If the revelation concerning the unpublished book by Mal Evans proves to be true it could answer a lot, I won't hold my breath though. There is obviously a hidden secret concerning Paul and Crowley, also there is another story lying in the shadows... perhaps we'll find out the whole Beatles episode is an engineered plot.

I hope there is more to this story... still waiting for the big revelation. :biggrin:

[mondaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qYZKogc78 found this film very compelling, apart from the obvious fake george harrison voice over. hangs together alarmingly well.

[strawberry]

Well if this is true that Paul is a double, could it be that he is a clone a sin James Casbolt's case? Just an idea...

[bitworm]

It started when people started playing "Strawberry Fields" backwards; at the end among other things, it sorta sounded like "I buried Paul," and on the Abbey Road cover, he is barefoot and out of step with the others. George is supposed to be dressed up like the gravedigger, and John is the preacher. Also Paul has a cigarette pointing down to the ground, whatever that means...

But I've watched him play bass, a lot. It's always been the same guy.

[foxtastic]

Thanks for finding the video in the "you tube maze". Yea the video's premise is completely fake, but it introduced me to a new 'conspiracy', and I always get excited when I find something like that. I'll admit it 'creeped' me out a little bit when I seen it. If I get that feeling, more times than not there's something to it. Whether it is 'Faul' or Paul I guess it's probably insignificant to whichever it is, because it is just a small part to a much bigger picture. The Beatles to me were obviously involved with some sort of intelligence agency, Magick, politics, and pretty well relates to all of the topics we discuss on this forum. It's fun to inquire about, and I put it up there with all of the other mysteries I enthusiastically seek answers to.

[Garry Irwin]

After watching the video "Paul McCartney Really is Dead - The Last Testament of George Harrison", I can only come to the conclusion that Joel Gilbert is a man who would sell his soul to make a few dollars.
There are a number of historical inconsistencies and fantastic claims throughout.
To name two of the most obvious:
Gilbert states McCartney's parents were in attendance at the secret burial in 1966 at Blackpool... Paul's mother died in 1956.
Gilbert claims that Rita, the girl who was involved in the alleged car crash turns up later as Heather Mills... What? Heather Mills wasn't even born until 2 years after the incident in 1968.

As always, there are more questions...

Why all the references to Paul being dead, hiding in plain sight on the album covers' artwork and the backwards masking that revealed clues when the record was played backwards?
It's right that we should ask these questions, but Gilbert's claims are just too fantastic to be believable. Maybe I would have been more impressed had he actually used Harrison's original tapes in the film. Instead we got a laughable imitation of George by Lance Lewman.
If anyone here has more insight to this story, I would really like to know.

[mondaze]

i recognised the same faults upanatom... and the phony george was trite. i do not buy the idea that mi6 set the whole fake paul scenerio just to stop teenage girls from committing suicide, i mean half the music industry died in the next few years... jimmy hendrix, jim morrison, mama cass, brian jones et al, nobody impersonated them! the only feasible rationale i can think of is that the beatles were an intelligence asset, as many believe, dreamed up by the tavistock institute, and that they didn't want to lose this control valve on modern culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iDq0Tdja4A&feature=player_embedded
if you watch this series you can see that musicians remain part of the intelligence agencies and ptb assets.

[Shakespeare's Foot.]

Paul McCartney definitely is dead. But the good news is that John Lennon is still alive. Him, Elvis and Jim Morrison rent the house next door to me off Marilyn Monroe. She's alright but charges a lot, apparently.
Seriously, of all the conspiracies to spend your time on.. may i suggest not this one?

[mondaze]

im sorry but to me this is important. this idea shakes me to the fundament. i can easily accept that the ptb can kill presidents, blow up building, trains etc. But the idea that my cultural development was being manipulated by mi6 mind control techniques takes away my foundations.

[foxtastic]

It's funny how things are connected sometimes. Tonight while I was doing completely unrelated research on 'chemtrails' who do I quickly run across in an independent documentary I found? None other than Sir Paul McCartney. He was plugged on some BBC show "would I lie to you". The question was, "did Paul McCartney have clouds removed from the sky to preform 'good day sunshine'?" Of course the host answered, "it was the truth".
Kinda unrelated on the topic of Paul being dead, but not unrelated on Paul being a very strange individual, to say the least.

Angus: Clouds were once removed from the sky so that Paul McCartney could perform 'Good Day Sunshine' at a concert.
Lee: (confused)Sorry. What do you mean?
Tara: You can move clouds if you really want.
Dave: What you do is, you can either fly a plane over it and drop silver-oxide on it, or you can shoot a rocket into the cloud. You can basically steal other people's rain, if you do that.
Lee: Is this a dream? [edit]
Angus: Lying is part of everyday life for most people nowadays, as I was saying to George Clooney only last night in the bar. [edit]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/jun/24/thisweekssciencequestions3

[scooterdubz]

A friend whom I work with told me about this doc recently and actually browsing this thread prompted me to register. I watched the whole thing last night. For those who use Netflix, it is available on their streaming feature. I"ve got to say it didn't really hold up that well for me. As it's been said there are plenty of holes in the "plot" of this conspiracy. Nevertheless, it is still pretty strange that there are so many instances of Paul being dead in their music and of course the album art. I just found it extremely hard to believe that this guy would somehow miraculously get these tapes of "George Harrison" delivered to his doorstep. Also, without the information that was "laid out" for you in the first section of this film, half of the story wouldn't even make sense. That being said, the conspiracy theorist and Beatles fan in me found the whole thing to be entertaining at least. Oh, and one last thing...to the original poster. Do you know about Beardy & The Rooster? :)

[baddbob]

Wondering what your views are on this. In the summer of 2005, a package arrived at the Hollywood offices of Highway 61 Entertainment from London with no return address.

Inside were two mini-cassette audio tapes dated December 30, 1999 and labeled The Last Testament of George Harrison.

A voice eerily similar to Harrison's tells a shocking story: Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash in November of 1966 and replaced with a double!

British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans. However, the remaining Beatles tried to signal fans with clues on album covers and in songs.

Until now, the "Paul is Dead" mystery that exploded worldwide in 1969 was considered a hoax. However, in this film, the mysterious voice on the tapes reveals a secret Beatles history, chronicling McCartney's fatal accident, the cover up, dozens of unknown clues, and a dangerous cat and mouse game with "Maxwell," the Beatles' MI5 handler, as John Lennon became increasingly reckless with the secret. The voice also claims that Lennon was assassinated in 1980 after he threatened to finally expose "Paul McCartney" as an imposter!


http://vimeo.com/28273681

[ponda]

Yeah i've always been fascinated by the photographic evidence of a switch having taken place at some stage of Paul Mccartney.The sudden change in height was very odd.

There's a few pics at this site: http://www.indianinthemachine.com/waspaulmccartneyreplaced.html

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul29.jpg

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul6.jpg

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul1.jpg

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul19.jpg

[baddbob]

Cant forget about the abbey raod alblum cover where paul is barefooted symbolizing Pauls death

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8lNWB57MF1w/TVkXB6AgAJI/AAAAAAAAFTo/9tGpFoVBTcg/s400/beatles%252520abbey%252520road.jpg

[modwiz]

I did not believe the rumor when they were together and I do not now. I am a bass player who grew up listening and being influenced by his playing. The man I have been listening to never changed. If you like the idea of him dead. Go for it.

[ponda]

Cant forget about the abbey raod alblum cover where paul is barefooted symbolizing Pauls death



Yeah i was just looking at that pic and Paul looks about the same height as George and John and yet he looks much taller in some other pics.that album was released in 69 which was after his supposed death

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I did not believe the rumor when they were together and I do not now. I am a bass player who grew up listening and being influenced by his playing. The man I have been listening to never changed. If you like the idea of him dead. Go for it.


I'm not suggesting that he is dead but there are some anomalies with some of the photographs of him.

[RMorgan]

Well, what are the chances that, if he really died, someone could find another person identical to him, with the same accent, with the same voice tone, who could also play the bass and guitar with the same style?

If he is indeed a double, it should take at least 18 months to teach him how to sing, play the bass and guitar, with a really intense training and, as far as I know, the band haven´t gone on vacations to give this supposed double some time to learn it all.

How about this? "British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans."?? I´ve seen many bands come and go, many idols come and go, but I´ve never heart of any mass suicides because of them...

Well, Lennon died. Have you heard of any one who committed suicide because of his death? Michael Jackson died as well, and I´ve heard nothing about suicides as well....

And those pictures make no sense. Artists change style from time to time. If I was to follow such logic, David Bowie should have died about 100 times during his career.

I don´t buy this conspiracy theory for one second.

Cheers,

Raf.

[boja]

""cobblers""

[baddbob]

I did not believe the rumor when they were together and I do not now. I am a bass player who grew up listening and being influenced by his playing. The man I have been listening to never changed. If you like the idea of him dead. Go for it.

Thanks Modwiz for you opinion this video is pretty convincing. Im not sure what to believe this video seems to tell a story that seems hard to make up

[ponda]

Well, what are the chances that, if he really died, someone could find another person identical to him, with the same accent, with the same voice tone, who could also play the bass and guitar with the same style?

If he is indeed a double, it should take at least 18 months to teach him how to sing, play the bass and guitar, with a really intense training and, as far as I know, the band haven´t gone on vacations to give this supposed double some time to learn it all.

How about this? "British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans."?? I´ve seen many bands come and go, many idols come and go, but I´ve never heart of any mass suicides because of them...

Well, Lennon died. Have you heard of any one who committed suicide because of his death? Michael Jackson died as well, and I´ve heard nothing about suicides as well....

And those pictures make no sense. Artists change style from time to time. If I was to follow such logic, David Bowie should have died about 100 times during his career.

I don´t buy this conspiracy theory for one second.

Cheers,

Raf.


I'm just going off the actual photographs.There are some height differences OR there 'appears' to be :)

[greybeard]

Yes and a left handed bass player at that---- really quite rare.
Its a so what!!!!

Regardless some great songs were composed by Paul after the Beatles and for that matter George Harrison was much under rated as a song smith.
The Traveling Wilburies? (cant spell) also a great band with iconic members.

Chris

[baddbob]

Well, what are the chances that, if he really died, someone could find another person identical to him, with the same accent, with the same voice tone, who could also play the bass and guitar with the same style?

If he is indeed a double, it should take at least 18 months to teach him how to sing, play the bass and guitar, with a really intense training and, as far as I know, the band haven´t gone on vacations to give this supposed double some time to learn it all.

How about this? "British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans."?? I´ve seen many bands come and go, many idols come and go, but I´ve never heart of any mass suicides because of them...

Well, Lennon died. Have you heard of any one who committed suicide because of his death? Michael Jackson died as well, and I´ve heard nothing about suicides as well....

And those pictures make no sense. Artists change style from time to time. If I was to follow such logic, David Bowie should have died about 100 times during his career.

I don´t buy this conspiracy theory for one second.

Cheers,

Raf.


I'm just going off the actual photographs.There are some height differences

Listen to the video. what is you opinion on the video ?

[baddbob]

What does everyone think of the video.if you have a chance watch it and it seem to have a lot of answers that describes your disbelief

[ponda]

badbob said:

Listen to the video. what is you opinion on the video ?

I'll check it out bob and get back to you...

[modwiz]

Cant forget about the abbey raod alblum cover where paul is barefooted symbolizing Pauls death



Yeah i was just looking that pic and Paul looks about the same height as George and John and yet he looks much taller in some other pics.that album was released in 69 which was after his supposed death

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I did not believe the rumor when they were together and I do not now. I am a bass player who grew up listening and being influenced by his playing. The man I have been listening to never changed. If you like the idea of him dead. Go for it.


I'm not suggesting that he is dead but there are some anomalies with some of the photographs of him.

Yes, visually. That was why I made my focus one of the ears. Trained ears.

[RMorgan]

I'm just going off the actual photographs.There are some height differences OR there 'appears' to be :)

The Beatles was a pop boy band!! It was, and still is common for band´s managers to choose every single detail about their style, including shoes with variable heel sizes to make them all look perfect and equal. Small differences in height were easily compensated with special shoes.

A band member taller than the others would make the others look too small, and this was not good for business, if you know what I mean.

Also, when you look at such pictures, consider the difference in perspective, which can make him look even taller than the others.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Eric]

The only thing that ever concerned me about Paul was his public reaction to John's death
Other than that the same man and the same musical talent was present throughout.

In a word, nonsense

Love is all you need. :-)

Eric

[ponda]

modwiz said:

Yes, visually. That was why I made my focus one of the ears. Trained ears.

Speaking of ears.There are some earlobe anomalies as well

1964 earlobe
http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul12.jpg


1974 earlobe
http://www.indianinthemachine.com/PAUL11.jpg

[greybeard]

Im with Modwiz.
I also play bass--- McCartney had a unique style of playing right from the word go.
Melodic but with a punch.
I heard the rumors at the time--- we had a good laugh in the pub.
No one took it serious then-----
Hight --- guys wore cuban heeled boots at that time. We did in our band.
The face changes depending on the degree of the hangover--- smiling.

Chris

[Unified Serenity]

Well, when John died, I was just waking up to hear my roommate in boarding school extremely emotional about John Lennon dying, and all I could say was, "Who?"

I like the beatles, but was never a massive fan. I find this sort of thing intriguing, but I can't imagine needing to make a double to save girls lives... now make a double to sell another 100 million records, ok.

It's interesting, but not sure why it's important.

[modwiz]

It's interesting, but not sure why it's important.

My thoughts exactly. My tongue hurts from biting it. :tape2:

A line from Paul in Help!, "Say no more".

[ponda]

RMorgan said:

Also, when you look at such pictures, consider the difference in perspective, which can make him look even taller than the others.



greybeard said:

Height --- guys wore cuban heeled boots at that time.


Well he looks like he's standing on a stepladder in this pic ;)

http://www.indianinthemachine.com/paul1.jpg

[bearcow]

this thread is a complete waste of time

who does this help?

anyways, everyone knows paul McCartney is a clone of angela lansbury, duh!

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2708cf8b-7140-4d70-bca7-aa8cc1a7f69c.jpg

stop it

[Jenci]

This topic attracts a lot of disinfo for some reason. Why ? is a good question to ask. I'm guessing the video in the OP is disinfo.

....but if we take the personality out of the picture, is it so hard to believe that Tavistock, knowing the influence the band had and could potentially have, would replace a band member rather than have the band finish if one of them died/was killed?

Knowing the kind of stuff the PTB get up to, is this such a far-fetched idea?

There's a lot more to this story if you start digging into it. Check out Billy Spears or Faul McCartney as well if you are interested.
http://pid.hoop.la/home


Heather Mills McCartney - No-one listens to this woman. She's been publicly ridiculed - she's just the crazy gold digger!

And when no-one listens, no-one will hear her when she says that Paul betrayed her in a way that wasn't fidelity but if people were to find out, they couldn't handle it, they would be devastated.
But of course, no-one listens to this woman. The media made sure of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8



Jeanette

[baddbob]

Not that its important but rather intriguing. But I guess it doesnt matter if you dont have time to watch the video presentation. I must say though it has gotten a few people intrigued eneough to voice there opinion. I found it interesting that the symbolic meanings of the album covers told the story and how i might use this knowledge. I realy do suggest you watch the video.

[MMA_Fan]

Watched the 'documentary' a couple of months back - a load of crap.

[baddbob]

this thread is a complete waste of time

who does this help?

anyways, everyone knows paul McCartney is a clone of angela lansbury, duh!

http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/2708cf8b-7140-4d70-bca7-aa8cc1a7f69c.jpg

stop it

Wow I thought we were a community where we can talk freely about general discussion. Im sorry the moderators of the forum can delete this and im sorry for discussing general topics:eek: Its a good thing i didnt post this in the conspiracy topic since it seems to not be a conspiracy just a total lie

[ponda]

Very interesting Jenci.i wonder what she meant by "if people knew the truth.They wouldn't be able to handle it" ???

[RMorgan]

Wow I thought we were a community where we can talk freely about general discussion. Im sorry the moderators of the forum can delete this and im sorry for discussing general topics:eek:

Hey Bob,

You´re in the right place Bob. This is the place for such discussions indeed. Although I don´t believe in this conspiracy theory, this discussion is really valid in the Project Avalon context.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Jenci]

Very interesting Jenci.i wonder what she meant by "if people knew the truth.They wouldn't be able to handle it" ???


After some time down this particular rabbit hole, I have an idea about what she could be referring to :)


In 2009 an Italian forensic scientific tean did an analysis on pictures of Paul McCartney prior to Nov 1966 and those taken after. The full magazine article is on this website with the English translation at the end.

http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/01/forensic-science-proves-paul-was.html


Jeanette

[ponda]

Very interesting Jenci.i wonder what she meant by "if people knew the truth.They wouldn't be able to handle it" ???


After some time down this particular rabbit hole, I have an idea about what she could be referring to :)


In 2009 an Italian forensic scientific tean did an analysis on pictures of Paul McCartney prior to Nov 1966 and those taken after. The full magazine article is on this website with the English translation at the end.

http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/01/forensic-science-proves-paul-was.html


Jeanette


Good find Jenci

I've been thinking of the "Beatlemania" aspect of this and the associated emotional energy (loosh) that would of been created by millions of young girls going crazy over the Beatles at the time.There might of been vested interests that wanted that emotional energy to continue.Great article.

cheers

[aranuk]

What a load of drivvel.

Stan

[greybeard]

The amazing thing is that when you have a belief or suspicion then invariably evidence can be found to support that belief.
The Shroud of Turin springs to mind---- many mysteries associated with that and each view point being supported by "facts"
How were the Pyramids built and why? Thats another can of worms.
So yes there is a possibility that the original Paul did die--- or did not.
Toss a coin --- smiling.
I could debate for or against effortlessly and just enjoy the moment of debate without any desire to be right.
The interaction between us is what is really important to my mind.
The respect for the other regardless of their position for or against.
Have fun

Chris

[CeltMan]

BB,

I see why you might have posted this..'conspiracy theories etc'??!

I Did watch it all way thru.

Here are my thoughts:
That voice (IMO) is NOT George Harrison.
I happen to have watched, only 2 weeks ago, two back to back docs about Harrison. That was not his voice on that tape.

2) At times he lapses into almost 'Brumie'(Birmingham accent-which is many miles to the South).

3) Why does he insist on calling Maxwell, 'MUxwell' Scousers do Not pronounce it that way. Then near end, he pronounces it correctly, then again wrongly.

4) At the burial "We decided to have the grave dug the day before, etc etc.".......Er, I cannot speak for any other country, but I can assure you that in UK, the graves are always dug a long time before the burial. Imagine the scene otherwise. 'Fred-the gravedigger'-"Ah you've all arrived early, er, um...just talk amongst yourselves, I will be with you in about 30 mins. Ooops, sorry vicar didn't mean to throw that shovel of soil over you!"

5) Appart from just the other Beatles, there are NUMEROUS people who are involved directly and indirectly with the music/recording business. They would ALL have to be in on this scam, as they would know Paul intimately and wud spot a fake. NO GO!

6) Re height difference: people can seem taller by: standing on a slope; wearing built up heels; standing more errectly; camera angles.

7) the aspect of having to learn to play-left handed, quickly- at a high degree of skill has been mentioned, I fully concur.

I suppose we should be questioning, why the deception?...ah...'follow the money trail'!

Who stands to make a packet out of this?!

[Elixer]

I just watched the video from the OP.
Though I like the idea of this conspiracy, I was never sure about it and this has not convinced me.
Listening to the voice on the tapes, it seems immediately clear that this is not George Harrison speaking.
He sounds a little bit like him, but the real George's voice is quite characteristic, very hard to mimic and I've never known George to speak so theatrically, so story-tellingly dramatic.
Also, I think the speaker isn't even from Liverpool and the accent sounds a little like a put-on. This gets pretty obvious with certain phrases. 'Maxwell' becomes 'mocks well'...

In the later part where we see pieces of interviews with George, we hear him say 'Faul' a few times. In the first segments, they cut to some other visuals so as not to show the lips moving.
In later segments, you hear him say 'Faul', but his lips do are not lining up with it at all. An obvious manipulation, it seems.

It was quite a good film, but I'm pretty sure it's a fixion, in which case it is quite a horrible thing to do.
I do love some of those clues the Beatles supposedly left everywhere. Paul is very often seen to be different from the other Beatles.
Interesting also are the few shots of Faul in Japan where he is playing guitar right-handedly. In the last one there, I think they actually mirrored the image.

Lastly, they say Faul wasn't very good, but Paul's singing has always astounded me. His vocal range is incredible, throughout the Beatles' material, so to have that good an imposter, MI5 did an amazing job, if they ever did.

[Jenci]

Who stands to make a packet out of this?!

I would say this is disinfo, designed to draw people in who are asking the question about whether or not he is dead. They listen to the video and immediately recognise that it is not George Harrison, so assume the whole thing is a hoax.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

Very interesting Jenci.i wonder what she meant by "if people knew the truth.They wouldn't be able to handle it" ???


After some time down this particular rabbit hole, I have an idea about what she could be referring to :)


In 2009 an Italian forensic scientific tean did an analysis on pictures of Paul McCartney prior to Nov 1966 and those taken after. The full magazine article is on this website with the English translation at the end.

http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/01/forensic-science-proves-paul-was.html


Jeanette


Good find Jenci

I've been thinking of the "Beatlemania" aspect of this and the associated emotional energy (loosh) that would of been created by millions of young girls going crazy over the Beatles at the time.There might of been vested interests that wanted that emotional energy to continue.Great article.

cheers

Hi Ponda,
I agree, there may have also been a wider issue in terms of the drug agenda - some suggest that Paul wasn't interested in promoting their "agenda"

I wouldn't be suprised if other influencial celebrities could have been replaced.
Once upon a time I thought that the idea that 911 could be an inside job was crazy and free energy out of space, absolutely ridiculous!

I know different now and I like to keep an open mind and prefer not to be led by what other people think.

There's an interesting audio here with Freeman talking about this subject of Paul. The first 5 minutes or so are not relevant but he is interviewing someone who is presenting the case for Paul's replacement.
http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/freeman/freeman.2009-09-26_16k.mp3

Jeanette

[Eric J (Viking)]

This topic attracts a lot of disinfo for some reason. Why ? is a good question to ask. I'm guessing the video in the OP is disinfo.

....but if we take the personality out of the picture, is it so hard to believe that Tavistock, knowing the influence the band had and could potentially have, would replace a band member rather than have the band finish if one of them died/was killed?

Knowing the kind of stuff the PTB get up to, is this such a far-fetched idea?

There's a lot more to this story if you start digging into it. Check out Billy Spears or Faul McCartney as well if you are interested.
http://pid.hoop.la/home


Heather Mills McCartney - No-one listens to this woman. She's been publicly ridiculed - she's just the crazy gold digger!

And when no-one listens, no-one will hear her when she says that Paul betrayed her in a way that wasn't fidelity but if people were to find out, they couldn't handle it, they would be devastated.
But of course, no-one listens to this woman. The media made sure of this.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCQtP4AjVg8



Jeanette

Yep I agree with Ponda...that video from Heather certainly makes you think !!

viking

[mojo]

And then there was the big discovery of messages in their music when some songs were played in reverse...It made headlines back then...

[ponda]

Jenci said:

I agree, there may have also been a wider issue in terms of the drug agenda - some suggest that Paul wasn't interested in promoting their "agenda"

I wouldn't be suprised if other influencial celebrities could have been replaced.
Once upon a time I thought that the idea that 911 could be an inside job was crazy and free energy out of space, absolutely ridiculous!

I know different now and I like to keep an open mind and prefer not to be led by what other people think.


Hi Jenci,

Yes anything is possible and keeping an open mind is important.It wouldn't surprise me if we get to see some unusual media headlines in 2012


cheers

[Mark Aldebaran]

It's crap.
My sister lived close to Paulditz until she moved away a couple of months ago and saw him regularly over the years.
If it's a stand-in the guy is really good.

[ponda]

And then there was the big discovery of messages in their music when some songs were played in reverse...It made headlines back then...


There's some interesting reverse speech info at this link:

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/dream-warfare-with-jon-kelly.html

i was amazed by some of it.Very interesting.There is a 1 hour mp3 interview with Jon Kelly who specializes in reverse speech analysis with some good examples


cheers

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

It's a fascinating subject. I think the video was good entertainment. I could understand from a strictly $$ standpoint why the Beatles would have been kept going, should Paul have really died early... on the other hand, didn't Jane Asher accompany Paul when the Beatles went to India? According to the video, this would have been after they broke up? Just a point. I have to say, I appreciated the diversion... :)

[baddbob]

And then there was the big discovery of messages in their music when some songs were played in reverse...It made headlines back then...


There's some interesting reverse voice info at this link:

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/dream-warfare-with-jon-kelly.html

i was amazed by some of it.Very interesting.There is a 1 hour mp3 interview with Jon Kelly who specializes in reverse speech analysis with some good examples


cheers

http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-vancouver/vancouver-mystic-s-secret-message-describes-alien-s-memories

[Corncrake]

I don't believe this. A close family member had a lot of contact with the Aspinall's (Neil was a part of the Beatle empire) and totally dismissed this. I also have a friend connected with McCartney and his disastrous second marriage - honestly this is not true. Believe me as titillating as it may seem there are more important things to be addressing than this.

[baddbob]

I don't believe this. A close family member had a lot of contact with the Aspinall's (Neil was a part of the Beatle empire) and totally dismissed this. I also have a friend connected with McCartney and his disastrous second marriage - honestly this is not true. Believe me as titillating as it may seem there are more important things to be addressing than this.

no disrespect here but why even post you thoughts :confused:

[Simonm]

Well, what are the chances that, if he really died, someone could find another person identical to him, with the same accent, with the same voice tone, who could also play the bass and guitar with the same style?

If he is indeed a double, it should take at least 18 months to teach him how to sing, play the bass and guitar, with a really intense training and, as far as I know, the band haven´t gone on vacations to give this supposed double some time to learn it all.

How about this? "British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans."?? I´ve seen many bands come and go, many idols come and go, but I´ve never heart of any mass suicides because of them...

Well, Lennon died. Have you heard of any one who committed suicide because of his death? Michael Jackson died as well, and I´ve heard nothing about suicides as well....

And those pictures make no sense. Artists change style from time to time. If I was to follow such logic, David Bowie should have died about 100 times during his career.

I don´t buy this conspiracy theory for one second.

Cheers,

Raf.

This for me.

Iv'e allus thought about the amazing pieces that him and Lennon wrote. If it was real, then it must be a million billion to one chance they got another with the exact same skills as the previous.

[Jenci]

There's some history with discussion of this topic online. I had read about forums really attracting a lot of interest in trying to get these discussions closed down. People can have very strong feelings because of who Paul is and because he is so loved and admired.

I understand that...... but for those who are still with us here on this thread, imagine if someone queried my identity on my passport and presented to the passport agency the kind of descrepancies in my appearance that you can see in the following pages. Would they just dismiss them as fake and photoshops or would I be likely to find the police knocking on my door investigating me?

Height http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/04/bigger-they-are-harder-they-faul.html

Eye colour http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2009/09/dont-it-make-your-brown-eyes-green.html

Photos http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2009/09/some-video-photo-comps-of-paul-faul.html


Thanks for bringing up this discussion Bob.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

Believe me as titillating as it may seem there are more important things to be addressing than this.

This discussion is not about Paul McCartney. It's about Paul McCartney, Illuminati, CIA & MI6, Tavistock, MK Ultra, mind control......

It is important. Whether it is true or not is another matter. But how many subjects here on this forum can we prove one way or another and yet we still discuss them.
It is up to the individual to draw their own conclusions on the subject matter. We don't have to participate in threads which don't interest us.

Jeanette

[NeverMind]

I can't believe I am really participating in this.... :) But fair enough, certain interesting points have been raised.

The main question, in my pinion, would be: WHY would any organisation, including the police -- in practice (as opposed to theoretical principles) -- even care so much about the possibility , remote or real, of increased suicide rates, and go to such lengths to prevent them, to the point of perpetrating such an impossible feat?

As for the physical evidence.... As others have said, height is not something that you can accurately judge from pictures, not to mention that there were many tricks available to make the "boys" look more or less of the same height.

And I was most surprised by the forensic "evidence". These people seem to be working from the assumption that facial structure does not change in adults.
But it does. Bone loss takes it toll (most often noticeable in the mandibular area, including the disposition of the teeth), and there are medical conditions -- including neurological conditions -- that can and do alter the size and proportion of the facial features, sometimes drastically so. (These are not particularly "exotic" conditions, mind you, although even famous people can get those, too.)
And the tragus of the ear can be -- and often is -- slightly altered as a result of surgical procedures, such as face-lifts.

I am, however, very much intrigued by Jenci's posts. :)
If you can share more about your thoughts on what Heather might have meant, I know I'd like to hear it.
(And yes, I too believe Heather Mills has been unfairly dragged through the mud. But that's just my opinion. I do not know personally either of them.)


Regardless some great songs were composed by Paul after the Beatles and for that matter George Harrison was much under rated as a song smith.

Amen. :)

[norman]

I also find it very hard to believe Macca was switched. The musical continuity from before to afterwards is too seamless.

However, my early memories of the Beatles are so faint and childlike that they hardly count as a reference point. Most of my memories of him are from after 66 so I'm remembering the duplicate.

I've never liked him much, certainly my least favourite Beatle. My feelings have been gradually compounded as the best of the Beatles died off. I was gutted when John died and Paul just sounded like a press agent for 'murder corporation'. Same kind of thing again when George died. Ringo is more of a mystery but I think he's been tapped since his car crash. Paul is still here and completely nobbled as a SIR Paul. I go off stars pretty damn quick once the Queen sticks her badge on them.

My hunch right now is that it's best to apply the notion that comes from war. " If you're getting a lot of flack, you must be over the target". I suspect there really IS something nasty and secret about Paul that there is a noise campaign to drown out in the public mind.

This fairly obvious bogus 'conspiracy theory' may well be a deliberate distraction from something else we might find out about the guy.

I remember the first thing I learnt about black secrets. The really super secret stuff is hidden deep inside the regular secret stuff as a double layer and a near perfect decoy. Any forceful defencive activity can always be associated with the outer "shell" secret and that can even be thrown to the hounds like a chunk of meat if needs must, as long as the super secret escapes notice.

My sixth sense tells me that if I can catch a wiff of a fake curiosity, as I do with this, there's a likely chance there's a real one hidden behind it.

[Jenci]

I am, however, very much intrigued by Jenci's posts. :)
If you can share more about your thoughts on what Heather might have meant, I know I'd like to hear it.
(And yes, I too believe Heather Mills has been unfairly dragged through the mud. But that's just my opinion. I do not know personally either of them.)



I had done quite some research of Illuminati control in music industry, MK Ultra, Tavistock before coming across this subject. I ignored it at first thinking it was crazy until I kept seeing it over and over and thought perhaps I should look into this before I dismiss it myself.

I don't know what happened with Heather. There was something very wrong with how she was treated by the media but that doesn't mean she didn't do anything wrong - nobody knows what goes on in a marriage from the outside. When I listen to that video of her I get that she is talking about something that people, suggesting the public, would be devastated to find out rather than something which would be private. Let's face it, he could have done any number of unacceptable things in the marriage and no-one would have been devastated.

Once the world begins to look very differently to how you have always imagined it to be, it's impossible to go back.
I don't know anything for sure and I haven't drawn any conclusions but my mind is open to all possiblities. I also bear in mind that John Lennon was murdered.
Jeanette

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I remember the first thing I learnt about black secrets. The really super secret stuff is hidden deep inside the regular secret stuff as a double layer and a near perfect decoy. Any forceful defencive activity can always be associated with the outer "shell" secret and that can even be thrown to the hounds like a chunk of meat if needs must, as long as the super secret escapes notice.



That's very interesting, Norman. Thanks for that.
Now I know I have absolutely no idea what is going on, lol

Jeanette

[Borden]

Well, I don't believe this rumour either.

I will say though ... Paul and Ringo still with us ... John and George brown bread. That's some brown bread that is most definitely buttered side down.

Borden

(Jeez - not that I'd want the two remaining dead! That could have sounded horrible, haha. Thought I'd better clarify!)

[grapevine]

""cobblers""

totally imo
I can tell you one thing for sure. That is definitely not George Harrison's voice that is narrating . . .

[aranuk]

""cobblers""

totally imo
I can tell you one thing for sure. That is definitely not George Harrison's voice that is narrating . . .

I agree w1ndmill, not George's voice. Now if it is NOT his voice what does that mean? I don't agree with Jenci about that being a disinfo tactic for any reason. It means that it is someone else speaking. Is there another George? Is Ringo for real? I think Ringo is real.

Stan

[Chester]

I did not believe the rumor when they were together and I do not now. I am a bass player who grew up listening and being influenced by his playing. The man I have been listening to never changed. If you like the idea of him dead. Go for it.

I agree 100% the heart voice that came through his music never changed in that it has been a dot connected journey when you follow the maturation of Paul's inner song

[enfoldedblue]

I would definitely say there has been some illuminati tinkering here. All is definitely not as it seems. I had always dismissed this as a silly rumour (as I had been socially programmed to) but when you really bother to look into it, it is quite amazing to note how obvious it is....and thus how willing we are to simply accept the "truth" as it is dished out to us.

The following is an excerpt from a very interesting article:

The cover-story Chiedi chi era quel «Beatle» for the July 15 2009 issue of Wired Italia, the Italian edition of the US magazine Wired, describes the analysis of the McCartney conspiracy theory conducted by two Italians, Gabriella Carlesi and Francesco Gavazzeni (the man and woman in the photo).
Their purpose for analyzing this conspiracy theory was to provide indisputable, scientific evidence that would put an end to the persistent rumors that Paul McCartney had died in a car accident in 1966. However, the results of their analysis surprised them. Instead of putting an end to the rumors, their analysis provides scientific evidence that the Paul McCartney of today is not the same man as the Paul McCartney prior to 1966.

By coincidence, on that same day that this article appeared in Italy, Paul McCartney was at the Ed Sullivan theater in New York City to appear on the David Letterman television show and to give a free, outdoor performance on top of the marquee of the Ed Sullivan theater. He and Letterman laughed about the silly rumor that Paul McCartney had died in 1966. We could interpret McCartney's appearance in New York City as an attempt to distract Americans from the publication of the Italian article, and to encourage Americans to laugh at the McCartney conspiracy theories.


more: http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

[Vitalux]

Well, what are the chances that, if he really died, someone could find another person identical to him, with the same accent, with the same voice tone, who could also play the bass and guitar with the same style?

If he is indeed a double, it should take at least 18 months to teach him how to sing, play the bass and guitar, with a really intense training and, as far as I know, the band haven´t gone on vacations to give this supposed double some time to learn it all.

How about this? "British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans."?? I´ve seen many bands come and go, many idols come and go, but I´ve never heart of any mass suicides because of them...

Well, Lennon died. Have you heard of any one who committed suicide because of his death? Michael Jackson died as well, and I´ve heard nothing about suicides as well....

And those pictures make no sense. Artists change style from time to time. If I was to follow such logic, David Bowie should have died about 100 times during his career.

I don´t buy this conspiracy theory for one second.

Cheers,

Raf.


I think the chances are actually pretty good.
There have been more than a few times that I have seen people's doubles.

For example, growing up I was in the same school with a guy that resembled me so much that we often got very much confused.
In one incident, Ian Thomas ( which was his name) had a best friend Chris.
Chris had a drop dead gorgeous sister.
One night I was at a pub and Chris's sister mistook me for Ian, and I played along and ended up having sex with her later in the night.
I assume still to this day she thought I was Ian.

On another occasion a similar incident happened again when another girl, who thought I was Ian, ended up spending the night in bed with me.

My point of the above story is to demonstrate that even though there was no genetic ties to this guy Ian, he and I could easily pass as identical twins.
We even had the same voice and were the same height, weight, eye and hair color.

Therefore, it would be very easy to find a double for Paul.
I've witnessed quite a few times singers or entertainers that are a spitting image of the person whom they are impersonating too.

[T Smith]

I follow this story with fascinated reservation. The most compelling evidence is the earlobe.

At the end of the day, however, I'm not sold. Which is not to say I would not bet the ranch Paul McCartney isn't dead. The truth is often stranger than fiction.

[Sidney]

Differences I clearly see are, eyebrows, much more arched "pre-swap", lips thinner before, nose pointed downwards in the later photos, earlobes different, and im sorry, but the height difference is less than subtle. I had never heard of this death rumor until now, but the photos speak for themselves IMO.

[ponda]

Some other famous 'possible' doubles/look alikes of recent times

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/feb07/190207fatnose.jpg

http://www.globalresearch.ca/coverStoryPictures/15601.jpg

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/images/saddamfake.jpg

http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii372/Gloria2931/Akhenaten.jpg

http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/ii372/Gloria2931/QueenTiye.jpg

[RMorgan]

I was thinking about this, this morning:

"The voice also claims that Lennon was assassinated in 1980 after he threatened to finally expose "Paul McCartney" as an imposter!" (from post #1)

I doesn´t make sense, does it? They invested huge efforts to create a perfect Paul double, to pretend he´s alive and well (for several reasons), and than they would kill another member of the band to protect this secret?

In other words: Paul died. They create Paul II. John threatens to reveal the plot. They kill John.

If they could live with a dead band member, why create Paul´s double in the first place?

Cheers,

Raf.

[Belle]

I agree 100% the heart voice that came through his music never changed in that it has been a dot connected journey when you follow the maturation of Paul's inner song

That would make sense if, as Anonymous says in the following, the real Paul is not dead but remained behind the scenes...
Found at http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/04/bigger-they-are-harder-they-faul.html

Excerpts:


"We know Paul was replaced in1966, the question is why? Did he really die all those years ago? We know the Beatles left messages of his ‘death’ on their albums, only to deny the rumor the messages caused, as well as to deny the messages themselves,…. again, why? Because Paul McCartney didn’t really die.
Paul was seriously injured in a car crash in 1966; it left him with facial lacerations, and minor head trauma. He would not be able to continue with the group as things were, so they hired a double to stand in for him publicly while he continued to work with the band behind the scenes. The ‘clues’ were symbolic of Paul’s ‘death’ to the band; in the regard of his role having changed.
It’s not sure who the first replacement was, but he didn’t work out so they brought in the man we know as Paul McCartney today. (Dr. Trudy’s study of voice patterns showed three different voices of Paul McCartney....."


"It’s logical that John had fully expected Paul to come back when he recovered from his injuries, (you don’t write scathing lyrics like that to a mentally disabled man, so Paul was still Paul after the accident), but Paul decided he liked his ‘new’ life and since Faul had been accepted by the public, he would remain anonymous. Instead of resuming his partnership with John, he continued to cover and support Faul. That was it for John, he actually was the first to quit the band, but kept it quiet. He eventually left England with Yoko and never looked back, but his hurt would remain with him for the rest of his life.
There are photos out there that have been confusing to researchers, which ones had been doctored, which ones were originals. But what very few people think about is this: some are of Faul and some are of the real Paul McCartney during the same time frame....."


"The point is, if you don’t take everything into consideration, you miss out on very real, logical conclusions. As long as poor Paul was killed in a car crash, murdered, or kidnapped, he becomes a martyr. He’s on a pedestal, he can be anything you want him to be, except alive. That would just ruin everything.
The real Paul McCartney could be standing right next to Faul and no one would recognize him because no one would be looking for him. When they see Faul, they see Paul McCartney.
It explains why everyone went along with it in the early days, almost gleefully, and why no one has come right out and told the truth today. People usually don’t protect a dead man for 50 years, but they will protect a living man.
It explains why the Beatles continued to deny the clues, why John Lennon said, “Paul McCartney could not die and the whole world not know.” It explains why the album cover on Sgt. Pepper was changed from ‘He die’, to ‘He bie’.
There’s a lot more to it than this, but mainly, too much time went by to change anything. Faul is still Paul, and Paul is still anonymous. Still behind the scenes.
Ever notice how, when people discover the truth, they walk away from it. They don’t disclose it. People will protect a living man."

I really don't have an opinion one way or the other and doubt we'll ever get to find out if it was real or just an elaborate joke on us, but I am enjoying digging into a 'mystery'. Lots of fun and 'what-if's'....thanks.

[music]

Musically unchanged, but undoubtedly visually changed (facially) beyond denial. Two or three explanations: stand ins, cosmetic surgery, hypnosis of a doppleganger. Take your pick.

Yoko would know, ask her.

[baddbob]

LOL hears another theroy into Pauls death


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EzchfRkON2g

[Midnight Rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNjTPZW7GCU

Interesting song from Lennon. "How do you sleep."

"Those freaks was right saying you was dead".

I could believe that Paul was replaced by Faul, but not because they wanted to stop a mass suicide. I think they (MI5 in the video) where curious if they could pull this doppelganger thing of and how good their technology had become.

Another theory I heard Freeman Fly utter is that The Beatles where a Psyops on the teens in that time. The Beatles and the media hype, he said, had been responsible for "the family" breaking up and rebellion against the Mother and Father began. With the end goal of promoting individualism. And this was the reason for promoting them in the States.

If this is true than the reason for the continuation for The Beatles was much more important to The Powers That Where back then, than just a teen band who had their musical geniality ahead of them. Before '66 The Beatles are not that special IMO but after Rubber Soul thing really got good.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBX2dySWGew

Whatever you might think about the theory it is a good reason to post some great songs :)

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All ..If Paul did die in 1966 his double is just as Talented......

Wings...

JK2hKzZss5Y

Paul talking about his marraige to Linda..

F0nCiCgskro


Paul on Parkinson

xFBKXQILeqI

Glastonbury 2009
CVJMhnPzhts

If we lost Paul....We gained paul.....Steve

[baddbob]

Believe me as titillating as it may seem there are more important things to be addressing than this.

This discussion is not about Paul McCartney. It's about Paul McCartney, Illuminati, CIA & MI6, Tavistock, MK Ultra, mind control......

It is important. Whether it is true or not is another matter. But how many subjects here on this forum can we prove one way or another and yet we still discuss them.
It is up to the individual to draw their own conclusions on the subject matter. We don't have to participate in threads which don't interest us.

Jeanette

The Beatles and the Aquarian Conspiracy
An outstanding example of social conditioning to accept change, even when it is recognized as unwelcome change by the large population group in the sights of Stanford Research Institute, was the "advent" of the BEATLES. The Beatles were brought to the United States as part of a social experiment which would subject large population groups to brainwashing of which they were not even aware.

When Tavistock brought the Beatles to the United States nobody could have imagined the cultural disaster that was to follow in their wake. The Beatles were an integral part of "THE AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY," a living organism which sprang From "THE CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN," URH (489)-2150-Policy Research Report No. 4/4/74. Policy Report pre-pared by SRI Center for the study of Social Policy, Director, Professor Willis Harmon.
http://www.illuminati-news.com/rock_and_mc.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6iILTislLGE

secret in a secret:ear: http://stargods.org/BeatlesEvil.html

http://stargods.org/EvilBeatlesLennonSalute.jpg

[aranuk]

BadBob I'm glad you started this thread because I've had the chance to appreciate the Beatles music. The many interviews I have watched for a day or two have convinced me that Paul is dead is untrue. He has a certain way he tilts his head when speaking that is unmistakeable. Also the way he twists his mouth to one side when talking is also unmistakeable, The way he answers questions is the old Paul way. In lots of ways he hasn't changed a bit. As for all those pic comparrisons about height are stupid in that some pics are taken from a different distance. The further you are away from the camera you look smaller. Obviously. Paul is NOT dead YET. It is nevertheless interesting though!

Stan

[music]

We should also consider the entire Beatles phenomenon in light also of the change of musical pitch from A = 432 Hz, to A = 440 Hz. This change was championed by Joseph Goebbels in Nazi Germany, and the Rockefeller Foundation in the US, so you know it can't be good for you. A = 440 Hz is antagonistic to the bodies natural energy field (vibration), and has been shown in studies to foster apathy, the herd mentality, and unfoccused aggression. As a social experiment it would seem to be a great success, because those attributes pretty much sum up the majority of today's population in countries where high level exposure to music pitched at 440 Hz occurs.

[Ishtar]

That's not George Harrison's voice. It's also very bad acting.

[Jenci]

Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about Jane Asher. There are some pictures here of Jane with Paul prior to the alleged replacement and after
http://www.whale.to/b/mccartney_h.html

Paul McCartney
http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/Paul2.jpg


http://i366.photobucket.com/albums/oo110/faulconandsnowjob/color_gal_08.jpg


Apparantly this is someone called Billy Shears ???



http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video_12.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video_16.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video_11.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video_21.jpg

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/billy_shears_on_mal_evans_video.html

[Jenci]

That's not George Harrison's voice. It's also very bad acting.

I agree, Ishtar. I think for anyone familiar with British regional accents it is very obvious that it is not George on that tape but also not a real Liverpool accent.

If someone really wanted to make up a case for Paul being dead then surely they would have at least found someone with the real accent to do the voice. There's a reason why they went to all this trouble and made the video like this.

Jeanette

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I was thinking about this, this morning:

"The voice also claims that Lennon was assassinated in 1980 after he threatened to finally expose "Paul McCartney" as an imposter!" (from post #1)

I doesn´t make sense, does it?

Raf.


John was a very awake man!




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMqau8U1j5s

[M6*]

By now I'm thinking that almost anything is possible! ....Is Elvis dead? ....Perhaps :) ....Where is Paul anyway? Just in case he is hiding out somewhere,
I think it might help to "ramp up the Bass"! ....Anybody for a Rickenbacher? .....Either way, somebody somewhere must be saying, "Well done, my boy"!
Anyway I lived through it all and I'm still here.....I think;-) M6* (Musician, signing in)
"Merry Cacaphony" Everyone!

[Ishtar]

That's not George Harrison's voice. It's also very bad acting.

I agree, Ishtar. I think for anyone familiar with British regional accents it is very obvious that it is not George on that tape but also not a real Liverpool accent.

If someone really wanted to make up a case for Paul being dead then surely they would have at least found someone with the real accent to do the voice. There's a reason why they went to all this trouble and made the video like this.

As a fully paid up Beatles fan for all of my teens, and really most of my life still even now, I would know George Harrison's voice if I heard it behind me in the street, even though I know he's dead and won't be expecting to hear it. His is a unique voice and that one on the tape is nothing like it.

I take your point that this taped voice was so bad that it could have been to throw us off the trail of the truth that Paul actually was dead. But there is another possible explanation.

Somebody went to a lot of trouble to send that parcel from London to the US. Why not just send it to someone in the UK? Could it be that to Americans, many of whom can barely differentiate a Scottish accent from a British one, that scam would get more traction?

Just a thought.

Thanks for the John Lennon tape. I'm still in love with him after all these years and his voice always makes my heart skip a bit. Merry Christmas, John, wherever you are. We're trying to bring peace on Earth, and we'll keep trying. :peace: (Oh and speaking of which, those two fingers are peace signs, not Illuminati signals ~ all us hippies in the Sixties and Seventies would hold up two fingers like that and say: "Peace, man.")

[Valley]

I actually think this thread is a great practice for us all in sifting out the real from the unreal... even if we never get to a common consensus or a decisive conclusion for ourselves. This subject also obviously contains strong feelings for many here, so it's also a fine way for us all to learn how to have more respect for each others' views, even if we strongly disagree with one another... I think this is the more important issue for us in the thread... Are we learning to get along better and become more united, or are we continuing down the dead-end path of disrespect?

[grapevine]

Trouble is that if we are taken in by this then what else have we been duped by . . .?

I hope those of you in UK have watched Derren Brown tonight . . . ?

[Jenci]

Somebody went to a lot of trouble to send that parcel from London to the US. Why not just send it to someone in the UK? Could it be that to Americans, many of whom can barely differentiate a Scottish accent from a British one, that scam would get more traction?
That's a good point. If it was real and you had that in the UK, you might have just taken it to Max Clifford and get him to get the most publicity for it.




Thanks for the John Lennon tape. I'm still in love with him after all these years and his voice always makes my heart skip a bit. Merry Christmas, John, wherever you are.
Even hearing those words of him today - they mean so much right now.



Jeanette

[Cidersomerset]

Out of curiousity I have been looking at Paul clips , although his face changes thru camera angles and fashions etc, his mannerisms and wit
seem consistant imho.....I think he's the real deal....But hey we are a 'conspiracy'.site ..LOL..

1963

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1964

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1966

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1967

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1968

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Ones thing is for sure Paul & Linda were deeply in love......

I could carry on to the present.... Pauls wit, talent and charisma has not deminished at all imho ...Steve

[aranuk]

You tell them Ishtar. I agree. A lot of rubbish. Watch all the concerts and interviews with Paul before and since 1966. He is the same Macca no doubt in my mind.

Stan

[baddbob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cJOm72QDDA

This always tears me up:hippie: "War is over if you want it "

[Jenci]

Out of curiousity I have been looking at Paul clips , although his face changes thru camera angles and fashions etc, his mannerisms and wit
seem consistant imho.....I think he's the real deal....But hey we are a 'conspiracy'.site ..LOL..



Those are good videos, Steve, thanks for posting.
Perhaps the thread is just an excuse to listen to some good music. :)
Jeanette

[music]

The tape also has many historical inaccuracies that are really unforgivable and inexplicable UNLESS this is an agenda communication for the purposes of misdirection. As the playing out of the NWO agenda through the music business comes to the awareness of more and more people, it is not surprising that they are trying to divert us. I am convinced that there is a defininte physical difference between Paul pre and post 1966, facial differences, not height which can be explained (or not) by stacked heels and perspective, but differences in the fundamental structure of the face and ears, including face shape. The voice and playing seem the same to me (I am also a musician), so I can't come out outright and say it's a different Paul, but there is something dodgy, that's for sure.

[Ishtar]

You tell them Ishtar. I agree. A lot of rubbish. Watch all the concerts and interviews with Paul before and since 1966. He is the same Macca no doubt in my mind.

Stan

Yes, you can tell it's Paul all the way through because Paul was always so uncool! Always! And all the girls that used to like Paul were totally uncool too. Just look for the uncool gene... it's there in Paul all the way through, and you can't fake that.

(I'm not disputing his was a brilliant musician, but the Harmony of Spheres will even channel through idiots, as depicted in the movie Amodeus about Mozart ... another totally uncool bloke, in my opinion!).

Now all the girls that liked John and George were totally cool .. and nobody was really that much into Ringo.

[Jenci]

The voice and playing seem the same to me (I am also a musician), so I can't come out outright and say it's a different Paul, but there is something dodgy, that's for sure.

Hi Music,
No one seems to be doubting the talent or the music....and I can't recall ever seeing anything that has.
As to the something dodgy, which I do see, I keep thinking about what Norman said about something else being a secret and the dodgy things getting thrown out to confuse the issue.

Jeanette

[baddbob]

Heres a thought they were into the occult magic good or bad ? and this is what also makes it a mystery secret working behind the seen with a "group",santanic, goverment or other wise for some purpose.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CiEKmYSaMaM


http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/

[music]

Heres a thought they were into the occult magic good or bad ? and this is what also makes it a mystery secret working behind the seen with a "group",santanic, goverment or other wise for some purpose.




Any magic that isn't for the highest good of all, or which is self-serving, is bad. So yes, bad juju.

[baddbob]

An Institute in UK where they research in mind control, run by highly trained psychiatrists who answer to the Illuminati. From here Ayatollah Khomeini, Radovan Karadzic and Milosevic among others were all trained for their mission

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/beatles_mind_control.htm

[Belle]

Just had to reply with quote...the song is just too good not to repeat it.

No matter where I've gone in the past two weeks, this song is playing...the grocery store, department stores, friends homes, everywhere. And when I'm not hearing it physically, it becomes an ear worm.

Lyrics:

So this is Christmas
And what have you done
Another year over
And a new one just begun
And so this is Christmas
I hope you have fun
The near and the dear ones
The old and the young

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Christmas/ War is over
For weak and for strong/ If you want it
For rich and the poor ones/ War is over
The world is so wrong/ Now
And so Happy Christmas/ War is over
For black and for white/ If you want it
For yellow and red ones/ War is over
Let's stop all the fight/ Now

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

And so this is Christmas/ War is over
And what have we done/ If you want it
Another year over/ War is over
And a new one just begun/ Now
And so Happy Christmas/ War is over
I hope you have fun/ If you want it
The near and the dear one/ War is over
The old and the young/ Now

A very merry Christmas
And a happy New Year
Let's hope it's a good one
Without any fear

War is over if you want it
War is over now





http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8cJOm72QDDA

This always tears me up:hippie: "War is over if you want it "

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all although I think Paul Mc Cartney is definately Paul McCartney........

Paul Mc Cartney Brother Mike takes a trip around Liverpool talking about the early days
of the Beatles I think he would know if Paul had died.

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Paul expressing his real feeling about Johns death...

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Now Mk Ultra, phycalelic drugs and mind control was rife in the 60/70' and still is today
and that opens up a whole avenue of conspiricy.I started a thread about it a while back
some interesting info....Steve

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33129-CIA-Mind-control-Techniques......

and one about CIA & Drugs..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?33146-CIA-and-Drugs

[Jenci]

An Institute in UK where they research in mind control, run by highly trained psychiatrists who answer to the Illuminati. From here Ayatollah Khomeini, Radovan Karadzic and Milosevic among others were all trained for their mission

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/beatles_mind_control.htm


That's a good find, Bob. With everything we know so far about Tavistock and their methods, it's not beyond belief.

There's also the issue about mind control on the individual such as programs like MK Ultra. People can have alter personalities programmed to do anything and behave in any way. This is just what we know with information that has come out - what else they can do, particularly these days, who knows.


I feel sorry for the young people who get lured into this business. They have no idea what it is really all about - I'm speaking in reference to that John Todd video and what we know about Illuminati control in the industry.





This is from the interview with John Lennon that was conducted shortly before he was assassinated on December 8, 1980:

PLAYBOY: "Acid?"
LENNON: "Not in years... We must always remember to thank the CIA and the Army for LSD... They invented LSD to control people and what they did was give us freedom..."

source : http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com/2010/02/agents-for-change-beatles-lsd-social.html



Jeanette

[Cidersomerset]

I have just posted this on a drugs thread I put up, but if you don't want to go on there
you have to watch this its epic......

The British army experimenting on troops with LSD in the sixties ,although I don't
condone it, wars would soon end if these 'Carry on Soldiers' got to the front...
No wonder TPTB banned it sharpish......

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The commentator kept it straight laced until the end, but when one 'squaddie'
climbed a tree to feed the birds, and the commander fell about in fits of
laughter even he sounded ammused....Steve

[baddbob]

The Beatles On Marijuana & LSD (In Their Own Words)
John: I got home from the studio stoned out of my mind on marijuana, and, as I usually do, I listened to what I’d recorded that day. Somehow I got it on backwards and I sat there, transfixed, with the earphones on, with a big hash joint. I ran in the next day and said, “I know what to do with it, I know… Listen to this!” So I made them all play it backwards.

(he’s referring to “Rain.”)

John: We must always remember to thank the CIA and the army for LSD, by the way. Everything is the opposite of what it is, isn’t it? They brought out LSD to control people, and what they did was give us freedom.

http://www.musicbyday.com/the-beatles-on-marijuana-lsd-in-their-own-words/585/

http://www.dread.net/~finder/beatles/leary.html

[Jenci]

I have just posted this on a drugs thread I put up, but if you don't want to go on there
you have to watch this its epic......

The British army experimenting on troops with LSD in the sixties ,although I don't
condone it, wars would soon end if these 'Carry on Soldiers' got to the front...
No wonder TPTB banned it sharpish......



Maybe they switched to putting it in the water of the enemies?
Jeanette

[Cidersomerset]

This is interresting...Ringo saying they made rubbish music if they had over 'Partaken'....

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Yes Jenci maybe they will spray over them in chemtrails...LOL.Steve

[Unified Serenity]

This thread has caused me to think out of the box again, which I love. I have written a new essay that you may like. I would like feedback because I do believe we are nibbling truths and discovering things together. The thread I started is here:

Media Musical Chairs: How the Annunaki plan to rule the world (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37316-Media-Musical-Chairs-How-the-Annunaki-plan-to-rule-the-world&p=387250#post387250)

[music]

An Institute in UK where they research in mind control, run by highly trained psychiatrists who answer to the Illuminati. From here Ayatollah Khomeini, Radovan Karadzic and Milosevic among others were all trained for their mission

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/beatles_mind_control.htm


That's a good find, Bob. With everything we know so far about Tavistock and their methods, it's not beyond belief.

There's also the issue about mind control on the individual such as programs like MK Ultra. People can have alter personalities programmed to do anything and behave in any way. This is just what we know with information that has come out - what else they can do, particularly these days, who knows.


I feel sorry for the young people who get lured into this business. They have no idea what it is really all about - I'm speaking in reference to that John Todd video and what we know about Illuminati control in the industry.




There was a tone to the article linked to above that my partner and I picked straight away as the sour note of the fundamentalist Christian, a feeling that was confirmed when I encountered this comment:


it reminds me of how wrongly the word "lover" is used when referring to the filthy interaction between two homosexuals writhing in pigswill

reading a comment like that, I'm afraid, invalidates the whole article for me, because it means that this is an agenda piece. It doesn't mean that the information is not correct in whole or part, it just means that THIS source is tainted beyond redemption.

[Jenci]

There was a tone to the article linked to above that my partner and I picked straight away as the sour note of the fundamentalist Christian, a feeling that was confirmed when I encountered this comment:




it reminds me of how wrongly the word "lover" is used when referring to the filthy interaction between two homosexuals writhing in pigswill

reading a comment like that, I'm afraid, invalidates the whole article for me, because it means that this is an agenda piece. It doesn't mean that the information is not correct in whole or part, it just means that THIS source is tainted beyond redemption.

Hi Music,

I did notice that line. I can't say that I s any agenda......perhaps just an outspoken view that I don't agree with. I take what I can and leave the rest. I've not drawn any conclusions from the article.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

This is interresting...Ringo saying they made rubbish music if they had over 'Partaken'....

[Yes Jenci maybe they will spray over them in chemtrails...LOL.Steve


I hadn't thought about chemtrails !!!

He says in the video that they tried to get Paul to take drugs for 18 months so they were suprised that he came out on TV and said he had taken them. That TV appearance was in 67 I believe.

The Paul is dead theory is based on the idea that Paul wouldn't go along with the illuminati drug agenda and that he was replaced in 66.

Jeanette

[norman]

Ok, here's a thing. Suppose the switch wasn't Paul's body but that it happened at a higher level.

What if the extra dimensionals switched his 'soul' out and only left his body memory there? That would account for the musical continuity and the general life story continuity but there would be an opportunity for a certain amount of agenda bias and gradual takeover of the Beatle phenomenon that eventually caused John and Paul to fight and fall out etc.

[music]

There was a tone to the article linked to above that my partner and I picked straight away as the sour note of the fundamentalist Christian, a feeling that was confirmed when I encountered this comment:




it reminds me of how wrongly the word "lover" is used when referring to the filthy interaction between two homosexuals writhing in pigswill

reading a comment like that, I'm afraid, invalidates the whole article for me, because it means that this is an agenda piece. It doesn't mean that the information is not correct in whole or part, it just means that THIS source is tainted beyond redemption.

Hi Music,

I did notice that line. I can't say that I s any agenda......perhaps just an outspoken view that I don't agree with. I take what I can and leave the rest. I've not drawn any conclusions from the article.
Jeanette

Well, we could see religious fundamentalists and the NWO crew as two sides of the same counterfeit coin. We should therefore exercise caution when we suspect the agenda of either camp is at play.

[Khaleesi]

I must preface what I say here with the fact that I am not particularly musically talented. I know what I like but can not tell the difference in 'style of playing' as more than one person has pointed out. I trust the views of those that say his style didn't change. I am not from England, so I can not tell if the accent is true to someone from Liverpool as others have pointed out. Some have posted certain words don't have the correct accent. I choose to trust their view on this fact. My view on this is based purely on factual errors I found in the OP video. This person that identifies himself as George Harrison states that Paul died in Nov. 1966. He states that John started putting clues about Paul's death in the album Rubber Soul. He says the name Rubber Soul was chosen to represent the 'fact' Paul was dead. Problem! Rubber Soul was release in Dec. 1965 almost a full year before Paul's supposed death. I would think the real George would remember the chain of events. He also states that Paul's parents attended his funeral. Paul's mother died when he was 12. His father did remarry in 1964 but Paul would have been about 22. Would he have considered his new stepmother a 'parent'? I am watching the video again to see if I see any other inconsistencies.

[Khaleesi]

I'm finding so many inconsistencies in the actual release dates of the albums and songs and when 'George' says clues were inserted. Quite a few songs he says had clues were actually released BEFORE the date he gave for Paul's death.

[Mare]

I've been following this thread without actually having watched the video. I must say from the outset that I believe it to be absolute rubbish but now having watched the first minute or so I know it to be absolute rubbish. The first thing I noticed was that 'testament' is spelt 'testiment' on the cassette. I'm sure George would have got that one right. Secondly, the Liverpool accent is all wrong and not the voice of George Harrison. It's not even the voice of a Liverpudlian. For me case closed.

[noxon medem]

To start we should Separate the
Subject ( Paul is dead ?)

and the Presentation of the topic
Movie : Last testament of George Harrison !

In this post I will focus on the presentation , the Movie .
There could be merit to the "Paul died in nov. 66 - story .
- It could also be a deliberate mediastunt by the Beatles ,
or , the phrase " Paul is dead " could have a more
spiritual , artistic , definition , appearing in time
with the trip to india , more or less ...

Well, that aside .

The cinematography is doubtful , at best .
The movie take advantage of the myth , but
do not take properly care of it , in my view .

The whole movie is based around a packet
containing two minikassettes and a fitting
dictaphone mini cassette recorder-player .

The sound quality you would get from such a tape
would be very crude and noisy and smallband , and
would not be suited to use for a whole feature film.

So a professional would use a narrative voice-over
done by an actor , like in the case of this movie .

His name is Lance Lewman , and he appears in
the end credit titles of the film .
( Narration and Voiceover editor )

They never claim that the voiceover is George Harrison ,
- and to anyone with half an ear is obviously not .

This is what I find suspisious , and damaging to movie-credibility:
If they have the tapes of George Harrison telling this tale , why do
they not use any of it in the film ?

Any sane and real producer would include at least 5 seconds of
the (no matter how poorsounding) original tapes .

I did only hear the actor Lance all the way .
Not one second or sound from the alleged tapes ..
( If I have missed something here , please inform me .)

And please do read the comments on Vimeo where OP vid is posted .

..

My mind is still open on this subject , but on the Movie
is a different story .

The production company is called Highway 61 Productions .
Their next film , coming 2012 is called: Elvis found Alive ?
( I kid U not )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVcRvFBuZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVcRvFBuZw
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2124782/

All well , well :- )

PS
- and what is this !?!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/4014522/Sir-Paul-McCartney-falls-off-stage-Macca-falls-down-stairs-after-Liverpool-gig.html

This , or Similar , have been (like most things) discussed
on Avalon forum before .
Two hits on a quick search :
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19890-Paul-McCartney-really-is-Dead
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15069-Is-Paul-McCartney-a-CLONE

..
-

[Unified Serenity]

Very interesting and logical information, thanks. I don't think it really matters if Paul died or not because the symbolism of what is displayed on the covers, the messages in the music I don't really think they apply to Paul, but Paul represents the sheep, the ones who need to be removed and controlled as it were. A new day is coming is their message, and we are being warned how easily we can be duped. Just my take on it.

[Jenci]

I'm finding so many inconsistencies in the actual release dates of the albums and songs and when 'George' says clues were inserted. Quite a few songs he says had clues were actually released BEFORE the date he gave for Paul's death.

Hi Khalessi

I think you are meant to find consistencies in the video, that's the whole point. It's disinfo - it is suggesting that Paul is dead but dropping in so many obvious lies so that the viewer concludes it is a hoax.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

I've been following this thread without actually having watched the video. I must say from the outset that I believe it to be absolute rubbish but now having watched the first minute or so I know it to be absolute rubbish. The first thing I noticed was that 'testament' is spelt 'testiment' on the cassette. I'm sure George would have got that one right. Secondly, the Liverpool accent is all wrong and not the voice of George Harrison. It's not even the voice of a Liverpudlian. For me case closed.

Hi Mare,
For me this is exactly what the intent was for the video.
Jeanette

[Elixer]

I've been following this thread without actually having watched the video. I must say from the outset that I believe it to be absolute rubbish but now having watched the first minute or so I know it to be absolute rubbish. The first thing I noticed was that 'testament' is spelt 'testiment' on the cassette. I'm sure George would have got that one right. Secondly, the Liverpool accent is all wrong and not the voice of George Harrison. It's not even the voice of a Liverpudlian. For me case closed.

Hi Mare,
For me this is exactly what the intent was for the video.
Jeanette

That's why it is a good thing to separate the conspiracy theory of Paul-is-dead from this particular film.
Not saying I believe Paul is dead, but it is a valid theory that can lead into many interesting areas as well.
The conspiracy theory leads to wild areas of speculation. Until more proof arrives, it remains just that: theory.

The interesting thing to me is the fact that this film is so obviously fake and debunkable. Why is all that?
And is it really worth spending all that time and effort into making this thing, just to discourage people to look into the conspiracy theory?

...We really should have caught the name of that narrator much earlier in the thread.
Good post, noxon medem!

Interesting palindromery going on with your name there. You sure you're not a demon? ;)

[Jenci]

That's why it is a good thing to separate the conspiracy theory of Paul-is-dead from this particular film.
Not saying I believe Paul is dead, but it is a valid theory that can lead into many interesting areas as well.
The conspiracy theory leads to wild areas of speculation. Until more proof arrives, it remains just that: theory.

The interesting thing to me is the fact that this film is so obviously fake and debunkable. Why is all that?
And is it really worth spending all that time and effort into making this thing, just to discourage people to look into the conspiracy theory?




I agree it really is quite strange.
Just keeping an open mind here :)
Jeanette

[Jenci]

This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

[baddbob]

on Jan. 3 1966 beatles came out with "We can work it out" the video starts out with john and his right eye is covered with a flower any idea as to what the flower is ? it looks like a chrysanthemum often called mums as in mums the word maybe Its the only time that they are not playing . @ 005 in the video it shows 5 men 6 counting John. cananyone figure out the five men .@ 146 it shows John music sheet theres a face anyone know who this is?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3jlXnQEgbuw

[baddbob]

This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

Great info thanks. What Are They Hiding ? Im actualy getting a rush out of this each little piece seems to have many paths to follow. What Are They Hiding ? or more importanly what are they saying.

[Jenci]

on Jan. 3 1966 beatles came out with "We can work it out" the video starts out with john and his right eye is covered with a flower any idea as to what the flower is ? it looks like a chrysanthemum often called mums as in mums the word maybe Its the only time that they are not playing . @ 005 in the video it shows 5 men 6 counting John. cananyone figure out the five men .@ 146 it shows John music sheet theres a face anyone know who this is?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3jlXnQEgbuw

Hi Bob,

I don't think in early 1966 there is any question about Paul.

It does look like a chrysanthemum on his eye. He sings "Try to see it my way..." with one eye covered. The one eye illuminati symbol is very common in music. It could be a reference to that.

I have no idea what picture is on his music sheet.
Jeanette

[aranuk]

I'm finding so many inconsistencies in the actual release dates of the albums and songs and when 'George' says clues were inserted. Quite a few songs he says had clues were actually released BEFORE the date he gave for Paul's death.

Hi Khalessi

I think you are meant to find consistencies in the video, that's the whole point. It's disinfo - it is suggesting that Paul is dead but dropping in so many obvious lies so that the viewer concludes it is a hoax.

Jeanette

Why would the makers of the film drop in so many lies. Can you explain why Jenci?

Stan

[Jenci]

I'm finding so many inconsistencies in the actual release dates of the albums and songs and when 'George' says clues were inserted. Quite a few songs he says had clues were actually released BEFORE the date he gave for Paul's death.

Hi Khalessi

I think you are meant to find consistencies in the video, that's the whole point. It's disinfo - it is suggesting that Paul is dead but dropping in so many obvious lies so that the viewer concludes it is a hoax.

Jeanette

Why would the makers of the film drop in so many lies. Can you explain why Jenci?

Stan

Hi Stan,

Let's say you are a truthseeker and you have heard that Paul is dead and you go searching and find a video of the last Testamont of George Harrison. Out of all the things you find, you are really going to want to hear what George has to say.

So you watch the video. Let's say you don't think that there is anything wrong with the accent because you are not from the UK but you know a bit about the Beatles. By the time you have heard a few lies, you just give up watching the video because you know it is just a hoax.

Your search for the truth has told you that it is a hoax. As someone else said earlier in this thread - case closed - in other words you accept the official story.

Anyone who has done any research on 911 will see that there are loads of this type of disinfo out there. You want to investigate 911, you end up seeing a video which shows you without a doubt that it is a hoax because of some silly claims set in amongst some truth, so therefore the conclusion must be that the official story is correct. You end up walking away from the search for truth which is exactly what the PTB want.

Jeanette

[Jenci]

This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

Great info thanks. What Are They Hiding ? Im actualy getting a rush out of this each little piece seems to have many paths to follow. What Are They Hiding ? or more importanly what are they saying.

Hi Bob,

Someone seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to put all this info out there. Could it just be some fans who have a crazy idea Paul was replaced and put all this out because they believe it or is someone deliberately muddying the waters?

Jeanette

[Unified Serenity]

Jenci,

Beyond believing Paul died and was replaced and having that conspiracy settled in your mind, is that all there is to it for you? What does it matter beyond knowing you were being played to believe in a Faul? I have my views on it, but I wonder why it matters so much to you if it really happened or if it did not happen. They put a lot of effort into symbolism for some reason which I have started exploring on my musical chairs thread, but I cannot tell why you think believing Paul is dead is important.

As for the hoax idea and the ptb getting us to stop investigating it, then why put it out and why not just let us blissfully go on in ignorance?






This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

Great info thanks. What Are They Hiding ? Im actualy getting a rush out of this each little piece seems to have many paths to follow. What Are They Hiding ? or more importanly what are they saying.

Hi Bob,

Someone seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to put all this info out there. Could it just be some fans who have a crazy idea Paul was replaced and put all this out because they believe it or is someone deliberately muddying the waters?

Jeanette

[Mare]

'We can work it out' is 1965 by the way and the black and white photo at the start of the vid is a copy of a colour set of photo's of the whole band messing about with flowers and watering cans from the same year. I think 'The last Testiment (sic) of George Harrison' tape is flawed with inaccuracies maybe because it's just really poorly researched? Why not look instead at McCartney's work following his supposed death? Any inconsistencies in his remarkable output? Who's been writing his music for the past 45 years then, his double?

Can you tell me what the exact date is in 1966 for his supposed 'death'?

[aranuk]

I don't know where I was at the time this Paul is dead thing hit the world through the press, but this is the first I have heard about it honestly. I asked my wife if she had heard this rumour and she replied yes that was years ago. Well I was most likely working hard at the time and not reading the gutter press. Mind you I never have. I have enjoyed playing the youtube songs though, brings back lots of good memories when I was younger. Baby you can drive my care dadadadadada

Stan

[aranuk]

This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

Great info thanks. What Are They Hiding ? Im actualy getting a rush out of this each little piece seems to have many paths to follow. What Are They Hiding ? or more importanly what are they saying.

Hi Bob,

Someone seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to put all this info out there. Could it just be some fans who have a crazy idea Paul was replaced and put all this out because they believe it or is someone deliberately muddying the waters?

Jeanette

Hi Jen, thank you for your offering a reasonable synopsis. The thought just occured to me that NOT the PTW staged this disinfo but the MAN himself Paul. Paul has the most logical reason to be behind this.
My wife has just told me she has not heard of this either. I must have heard her wrong when I thout she said yes years ago.
I often pick her up wrong after 45 yrs of marriage:p She comes from a different planet. Venus I suppose.

Stan

[baddbob]

'We can work it out' is 1965 by the way and the black and white photo at the start of the vid is a copy of a colour set of photo's of the whole band messing about with flowers and watering cans from the same year. I think 'The last Testiment (sic) of George Harrison' tape is flawed with inaccuracies maybe because it's just really poorly researched? Why not look instead at McCartney's work following his supposed death? Any inconsistencies in his remarkable output? Who's been writing his music for the past 45 years then, his double?

Can you tell me what the exact date is in 1966 for his supposed 'death'?

November 9th, 1966, James Paul McCartney, a former Beatle, was killed

[aranuk]

Bob you bad. Paul was not killed at all. :heh:

Stan

[Jenci]

Jenci,

Beyond believing Paul died and was replaced and having that conspiracy settled in your mind, is that all there is to it for you? What does it matter beyond knowing you were being played to believe in a Faul? I have my views on it, but I wonder why it matters so much to you if it really happened or if it did not happen. They put a lot of effort into symbolism for some reason which I have started exploring on my musical chairs thread, but I cannot tell why you think believing Paul is dead is important.

As for the hoax idea and the ptb getting us to stop investigating it, then why put it out and why not just let us blissfully go on in ignorance?






This may or may not shed light on the video in the OP.

This is a summary of the "60if" document. Apparantly this information was given by George Harrison to some of his Eastern friends. It was taken down in their own language and has later been translated back into English. It tells the story of what happened to Paul and how he was replaced - this dates back to 2002 (explained in FAQ)

http://pid.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/content/251379184221395646

The is an FAQ based on this document
http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=2664

Someone has put together a timeline of photos of Paul and his 'replacement'.

http://60if.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=faul&action=display&thread=3367


Jeanette

Great info thanks. What Are They Hiding ? Im actualy getting a rush out of this each little piece seems to have many paths to follow. What Are They Hiding ? or more importanly what are they saying.

Hi Bob,

Someone seems to have gone to a lot of trouble to put all this info out there. Could it just be some fans who have a crazy idea Paul was replaced and put all this out because they believe it or is someone deliberately muddying the waters?

Jeanette

Hi Serenity,

I don't have the conspiracy settled in my mind. I went down this particular rabbit hole quite some time ago and came out a bit dazed with no answers. If he was replaced, I don't necessarily think that he had to have died - I've seen theories that he just wanted out or had an accident or got ill. I've also seen the theory that he he was replaced by more than one person and the final person was a woman who had a sex change to become Paul. Plenty of theories :)

What I do know for sure is there have been many times in my life where something just has not felt right but I have dismissed it and gone along with the official story. It turns out now that I should have listened to that tiny nagging doubt. It may not have been an elephant in the room, more a tiny mouse in the corner but it was just as significant.

Whichever way I have looked at the Paul story there are some inconsistencies in his appearance which I cannot explain. The fact that he may sound the same or have the same mannerisms doesn't negate the inconsistencies that I can't find explanations for.

Whatever our interests in life - music, film, sport, politics, literature, religion, spiritual - the PTB have got the area covered to manipulate us. A discussion like this, for someone who is interested in the subject, can teach them how to be un-manipulated.

When everything we have ever known or learned is what "they" have told us, learning to think for ourselves can take time. It can be a slow process of peeling off the layers of conditioning which keep the nagging doubts buried at the back of the mind, never to be questioned.

The video in the OP was a good example of how disinfo works. For those who have stuck through the discussion it may have opened up new areas of questioning for them. All of showbiz - music, film is illuminati controlled. From the research I have done - if Paul was replaced - he may just be the tip of the iceberg. Do other people have doubles? Do they have clones? - now that's a wild idea....but is it really?

When I think what they pulled off on 911, how in a very short space of time they were able to present an illusion to the world and have most people believe it, I think they knew exactly how well people would fall for it. I guess they have been presenting us illusions through the media for quite some time, testing the reaction and seeing how far they can get away with it.

As a parent to a 9 year old, I would rather look at this subject thoroughly so that I can help him navigate his way through something which is becoming more and more interesting to him.....perhaps I can teach him a few discernment skills.

In the great scheme of things is Paul important if he has been replaced?
Well when millions have died, people are starving and suffering right now needlessly and millions more could die, I suppose I could say no.
But if this discussion here leads to some people questioning images they are being presented with, it serves a purpose. If someone unlearns their conditioning and really does start thinking for themselves then this benefits us all. The more of us who do this, the better ......and then when we do this we can step back out of a very narrow topic and into a much bigger picture.

As to all their symbolism, I suppose I have only really considered it as their tool to fool and manipulate us and perhaps use to feed their satanic needs. I know they do like to drop hints.....perhaps there is much more to it, as you are suggesting. Why not raise these questions...who knows where they may lead. There's nothing wrong with thinking out of the box, in fact, perhaps it is necessary now. It will be interesting to see where your discussion goes.

Jeanette

[aranuk]

Maybe if Bob or Jenci can answer my few questions here please?
When was the PID rumour first heard of? The date and year?
Where was it reported? In the UK press? USA press? Which newspapers wrote about it?
Was this video in OP the first to mention it?
My wife and I don't remember anything at all in the past about this.

Stan

[baddbob]

No disrecpect here aranuk why should i do your research.If you notice OP i wanted your opnion on the issue:peep: I have never said that i believe hes dead or not.

[Jenci]

Maybe if Bob or Jenci can answer my few questions here please?
When was the PID rumour first heard of? The date and year?
Where was it reported? In the UK press? USA press? Which newspapers wrote about it?
Was this video in OP the first to mention it?
My wife and I don't remember anything at all in the past about this.

Stan


Here's the man himself, Stan.

I think he is talking about 1969 but I am sure that I did see a long time ago a cutting from a newspaper in 1966 the day after it supposedly happened. I can't find it at the moment.

And yes, your theory about Paul himself putting out the story. Why not? who knows. I suppose the question to ask is who benefits?
Jeanette


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiD8oBKO78Y

[Unified Serenity]

The video in the OP was a good example of how disinfo works. For those who have stuck through the discussion it may have opened up new areas of questioning for them. All of showbiz - music, film is illuminati controlled. From the research I have done - if Paul was replaced - he may just be the tip of the iceberg. Do other people have doubles? Do they have clones? - now that's a wild idea....but is it really?



I think that aspect of being able to fool the masses might be the most important aspect if it is true. As for what it really means, well I have started to delve into that on the Musical chairs thread. I think we are inundated today with psy ops programming and manipulation in the form of mass NLP, agent provacateurs and charlitans designed to put out the 10% of lies with the 90% of truth in our super duper top secret research into ancient history, hidden archeology, black ops programs and such. I also think they know we will catch on and thus start to tune out as we see people leaving the forums for various reasons. It's classic disinfo goals to frustrate the seekers and turn away the newbies.

I hope we can keep our nose to the grind stone and continue to work it out.... snickers.

g--Vlij1X1Y

[aranuk]

No disrecpect here aranuk why should i do your research.If you notice OP i wanted your opnion on the issue:peep: I have never said that i believe hes dead or not.

Hi Bob, It's Christmas Eve. No need for you to say that at all. I did give my opinion a few times. I said it's rubbish. I still feel the same. I was continuing on as Jenci pointed out that it is a healthy thing for us to do here and a good excercise for times to come. That's All. I went to Wikipedia and read about it there. A good and fair summary there. And as I suspected it was not the UK press but a student rag in Iowa University. It was also on lots of Radio stations in USA. Have a merry xmas.

Stan

[aranuk]

Maybe if Bob or Jenci can answer my few questions here please?
When was the PID rumour first heard of? The date and year?
Where was it reported? In the UK press? USA press? Which newspapers wrote about it?
Was this video in OP the first to mention it?
My wife and I don't remember anything at all in the past about this.

Stan


Here's the man himself, Stan.

I think he is talking about 1969 but I am sure that I did see a long time ago a cutting from a newspaper in 1966 the day after it supposedly happened. I can't find it at the moment.

And yes, your theory about Paul himself putting out the story. Why not? who knows. I suppose the question to ask is who benefits?
Jeanette


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiD8oBKO78Y

Exactly Jen, Paul stands to benefit the most. If rumours were that I was dead and there was a StanDIN I would be, to say the least horrified. I would do and pay for a video like that too.

Stan

[Mare]

November 9th, 1966, James Paul McCartney, a former Beatle, was killed

Ok let's have a look at what his 'double' was up to in Abbey Road studios after this date.

On the 24th and the 28th/29th November 1966 he was recording Mellotron, bass and bongos on 'Strawberry Fields Forever'. On the 6th/8th/21st December and the 29th/30th December 1966 respectively he began recording his own songs 'When I'm 64' and 'Penny Lane'. Pretty good for a double. Where the staff at Abbey Road fooled or in on it? Cleaners, cooks, press office, designers, runners, technicians etc. etc.? All because the PTB were worried that young girls would commit suicide in droves? Doesn't make any sense to me I'm afraid but 9/11 does.

[aranuk]

Hi Mare, I resonate with you. But eh.... I thought when I'm sixty four was the effort of Ringo. No?


Stan

[Mare]

No Stan,

they just got him to sing it! Paul apparently wrote the song when he was 14.

[Garry Irwin]

I think you will find it was McCartney who sang "When I'm Sixty-Four". It was his song - despite being credited as a Lennon/McCartney composition.
In keeping with the thread... whether you believe it was Paul or Faul, is completely your own opinion.
Regards :-)

[aranuk]

No Stan,

they just got him to sing it! Paul apparently wrote the song when he was 14.

Good on ya man! You are the same age as my daughter how marvelous. I wish you were my son. My daughter hardly knows anything of the Beatles, she takes off her Dad methinks!

Stan

[baddbob]

Paul McCartney Interview for `Life' magazine (1969, November 7)
November 7th 1969 Life Magazine published an article on the recent "Paul Is Dead" fiasco. The article contained the now famous clues, select album cover photos, and Paul's own brief comments on the death rumors. Life magazine's London correspondent waded through a Scotland bog to find Paul and Linda at their secluded farm, hoping to be granted a photo or a brief interview. By this time The Beatles had privately broken up. While the breakup was still a secret and would not be announced for months, Paul states "The Beatle thing is over." The public and press missed the importance of this passing comment.

Life Magazine spoke briefly with Paul about the various "death clues" including the OPD badge on his Pepper suit (which fans took to mean "Officially Pronounced Dead"), his black flower in Magical Mystery Tour, and his barefooted appearance on the Abbey Road album cover.



Paul: "It is all bloody stupid. I picked up that OPD badge in Canada. It was a police badge. Perhaps it means Ontario Police Department or something. I was wearing a black flower because they ran out of red ones. It is John, not me, dressed in black on the cover and inside of Magical Mystery Tour. On Abbey Road we were wearing our ordinary clothes. I was walking barefoot because it was a hot day. The Volkswagon just happened to be parked there."

"Perhaps the rumor started because I haven't been much in the press lately. I have done enough press for a lifetime, and I don't have anything to say these days. I am happy to be with my family and I will work when I work. I was switched on for ten years and I never switched off. Now I am switching off whenever I can. I would rather be a little less famous these days."

"I would rather do what I began by doing, which is making music. We make good music and we want to go on making good music. But the Beatle thing is over. It has been exploded, partly by what we have done, and partly by other people. We are individuals - all different. John married Yoko, I married Linda. We didn't marry the same girl."

"The people who are making up these rumors should look to themselves a little more. There is not enough time in life. They should worry about themselves instead of worrying whether I am dead or not."

"What I have to say is all in the music. If I want to say anything I write a song. Can you spread it around that I am just an ordinary person and want to live in peace? We have to go now. We have two children at home."

http://www.dmbeatles.com/interviews.php?interview=68

[aranuk]

I think you will find it was McCartney who sang "When I'm Sixty-Four". It was his song - despite being credited as a Lennon/McCartney composition.
In keeping with the thread... whether you believe it was Paul or Faul, is completely your own opinion.
Regards :-)

Hi Ups, Now you are older than Mare, but you are awful young to know a lot about the Beatles. Let me say I believe both of you. Just imagine I am 16 and my testorone levels very high and the Beatles hit the scene! What a wonderful treat to have growing up. I am ever thankful for the Beatles, they gave me so much pleasure to ease a hard working youth.

Stan

Stan

[baddbob]

Iam sorry I didnt mean it to be offending in anyway just thats theres so much info hear on it heres a nice site with a lot of the conspiracy talk through out those years

paul is dead conspiracy paul is dead rumors

http://www.kewego.com/search/?q=paul+is+dead+conspiracy+paul+is+dead+rumors+

[Mare]

I think you will find it was McCartney who sang "When I'm Sixty-Four". It was his song - despite being credited as a Lennon/McCartney composition.
In keeping with the thread... whether you believe it was Paul or Faul, is completely your own opinion.
Regards :-)

Of course, my mistake I was thinking of 'A little help from my friends', but as I said Paul wrote the song when he was 14. In keeping with the thread Upanatom I believe it was/is Paul and yes, that is completely my opinion.

[Jenci]

All because the PTB were worried that young girls would commit suicide in droves? Doesn't make any sense to me I'm afraid but 9/11 does.

Hi Mare
If he was replaced, I don't think it had anything to do with young girls committing suicide.

Sept 11th is another date which was suggested in the links I posted a few posts ago.
Jeanette

[Mare]

Hi Jeanette,

Merry Christmas by the way! What do you think then?

[Jenci]

Hi Jeanette,

Merry Christmas by the way! What do you think then?

Merry Christmas to you too. :)

I don't think "they" would have any concern about young girls getting upset and suicidal - they just don't feel like this.

If something did happen to Paul - if he died, was killed, or just quit - then I think their motive for Paul to continue in the Beatles would be more like they had an agenda planned and they were going to carry it out, whatever happened. There could also be a motive to see exactly how far they can push things and what they could get away with. They are always planning a long term in the future. Perhaps they had some other deception planned ahead and this was a good tester. The agenda with drugs and LSD was important to them at the time - it was the following year Paul spoke out on this.

Of course, these are just hypothetical musings and Paul may be exactly who he says he is.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

There's a video posted earlier in this thread, I can't remember if it was George or Ringo but he said they tried to get Paul to take drugs but he wouldn't and then 18 months later they were suprised when he came out and talked about it.

Paul talked about taking drugs/lsd in 1967. This video shows the interview and also has clips of a press conference the year earlier - made on the assumption that he was replaced between the two.

Although I see similiar mannerisms and speech patterns (like 'you know') between the two, something is missing in the second video. In the first video Paul is confident but there is also a shyness and humilty about him. His mouth twitches a lot, he looks awkward. There's a cuteness about him which is really endearing - as a woman I find it very attractive (eg 6.30 & 7.40).

I don't see this in the Paul a year later.I know that those who claim he was replaced talk about spirit of Paul missing in the post 66 Paul.

Having said that the second interview was in a different environment on a one-to-one basis and it may explain his extra confidence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKYgX2Fu-U

Jeanette

[syrwong]

There's a video posted earlier in this thread, I can't remember if it was George or Ringo but he said they tried to get Paul to take drugs but he wouldn't and then 18 months later they were suprised when he came out and talked about it.

Paul talked about taking drugs/lsd in 1967. This video shows the interview and also has clips of a press conference the year earlier - made on the assumption that he was replaced between the two.

Although I see similiar mannerisms and speech patterns (like 'you know') between the two, something is missing in the second video. In the first video Paul is confident but there is also a shyness and humilty about him. His mouth twitches a lot, he looks awkward. There's a cuteness about him which is really endearing - as a woman I find it very attractive (eg 6.30 & 7.40).

I don't see this in the Paul a year later.I know that those who claim he was replaced talk about spirit of Paul missing in the post 66 Paul.

Having said that the second interview was in a different environment on a one-to-one basis and it may explain his extra confidence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKYgX2Fu-U

Jeanette

I think you have done enough research to prove the case for PID. I am pretty convinced, when piles of evidence to see the inconsistencies, like in 911, this is an inescapble conclusion. I even think that in this video, both the voices and personalities are different.

[aranuk]

All I can say is I am not easily convinced. In that video by Jenci, I don't think there is anything at all different other than a year in Paul's life and all the things he had done within that year would account for a change in his confidence and TV presentation skills. I could look back on some old photos of myself at that age and others a year later, I look so different. Everyone goes through change whether they like to or want to. My voice can change a bit from one day to another if I have a cold coming or going or how many cigs I have smoked the day before.

Stan

[Mare]

As far as his personality goes I think you've hit the nail on the head. L.S.D. I think all their personalities altered after it and indeed McCartney was the last to try it being naturally more hesitant about it all than the others. It can certainly make a person more introspective generally and I don't mean just when the drug is in their system. The above clip is nothing new really.

I just find the whole conspiracy rather vague in it's motive. If you really want to get to the bottom of it all study his music and therein you will find the answer. Seasons best-wishes to you and yours. X

[Violet]

Wondering what your views are on this. In the summer of 2005, a package arrived at the Hollywood offices of Highway 61 Entertainment from London with no return address.

Inside were two mini-cassette audio tapes dated December 30, 1999 and labeled The Last Testament of George Harrison.

A voice eerily similar to Harrison's tells a shocking story: Paul McCartney was killed in a car crash in November of 1966 and replaced with a double!

British intelligence, MI5, had forced the Beatles to cover up McCartney's death to prevent mass suicides of Beatle fans. However, the remaining Beatles tried to signal fans with clues on album covers and in songs.

Until now, the "Paul is Dead" mystery that exploded worldwide in 1969 was considered a hoax. However, in this film, the mysterious voice on the tapes reveals a secret Beatles history, chronicling McCartney's fatal accident, the cover up, dozens of unknown clues, and a dangerous cat and mouse game with "Maxwell," the Beatles' MI5 handler, as John Lennon became increasingly reckless with the secret. The voice also claims that Lennon was assassinated in 1980 after he threatened to finally expose "Paul McCartney" as an imposter!


That would explain for his ex-wife freaking out.

[noxon medem]

Funny with the Maxwell Mi5 thug story .
(could be something to that , they were (are)
important British idols (and icons) and definite
part of the history and consciousness of the
later generations , pre second world war .
(enough death , please ..).

On Maxwell ( or Moxwell ) :

(surely a good excuse to post good music)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCV2wgoxC8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCV2wgoxC8
(Maxwells Silver Hammer)
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfnpZhJ8exQ

Also funny how this song goes unnotices
by the moviemakers , of OP vimeo-video.
( Last testament of George Harrison ?)

Happy Holidays , and all well .

Paul McCartneys "Mull of Kintyre" is on
my list of Christmas-specials ..

Here performed by Wings :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhTye_A9H0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYhTye_A9H0

:fish2:

[davewhite04]

The people who did the tape should of hired me, I could of pulled off a better impersonation to be honest.

[shijo]

i saw Paul at the O2 recently, same man as i saw at the finsbury park astoria in 1964 as a young boy,he was playing with a little band called the Beatles...

[gs_powered]

(surely a good excuse to post good music)


Amen to that :)

I'd never heard anything about this change taking place, but I do think it would be very very difficult for it to happen. In my case, if there is a musician or a band that I like, and if I listen to them regularly, a bond is created (even if only on one end, mine) and when any kind of change takes place I can tell. Now, I can only imagine how many thousands of people would listen to the Beatles on a daily basis back on the sixties, and I wonder, wouldn't they all be able to tell?
It can't only be Modwiz and his hear, there had to be plenty more people acknowledging that Paul would be Paul ;)

[New Dawn]

Yeah, MI5 cared about young girls....These kind of conspiracies are what make people laugh at us! Why on Earth would they care and go through all of that hassle? It would have beed easier to just let him die. Come on...

It is quite a fun watch though.

[9eagle9]

You know this is all very interesting the Fauls and the Pauls and the reasons for and against but what does it prove or provide at the end of the day? I mean what benefits us finding out that Paul is dead or Paul is Faul. What does it reveal one way or the other. If Paul isn't dead then nothing occured, and if there's a Faul running around what does that prove or provide? That the PTB tamper with events and media? Is that news?

[Jenci]

Hi Jeanette,

Merry Christmas by the way! What do you think then?

Hi Mare,

I think there is no answer to this - and my mind remains open to all possibilities.

What would be interesting is if we have forensics scientists knowledgeable in the field who were to debunk the claims by the Italian forensic scientists.

But there has been nothing. Their conclusions were significant and yet they were only published in the Italian version of the magazine. It's quite unusual that a magazine with a big story would not publish in its English versions to increase sales.
Jeanette

[Humble Janitor]

Here's a thought that would likely make this conspiracy even weirder: What if Paul was cloned before he died?

It can't be too far-fetched if you factor in the Tavistock Institute.

[Mike Gorman]

Naahh, Paul McCartney did not die, that so-called George Harrison tape confession sounds nothing like him either.
A musician's personal style is impossible to imitate, and Paul's Bass playing, Guitar playing and Piano playing style has not altered,
People change in unexpected ways physically through time, and Photographs are often extremely variable (consider some of your own family photo's)
It was a silly hoax that gained momentum in some quarters, but really ...what a big yawn it all is, urban mythology and hearsay.

[Lancelot]

What does everyone think of the video.if you have a chance watch it and it seem to have a lot of answers that describes your disbelief
I have to say that IMO this video is a very bad hoax. Coming from near Liverpool I am very familiar with the scouse accent and the voice in the video had me in hysterics in its feeble attempt to sound like George Harrison or someone from Liverpool. Lots of things in this story just dont add up or make any sense- like why the secret service had any interest in the wellbeing of the beatles and would go to the lengths of covering up his death and replacing him. Strange though that someone would go to all this effort to make this nonsense up.

[Soul Safari]

Neither for or against..

But it's quite clear (in my eyes) that it's just a voice over. A more professional version as opposed to the original old analogue tape with plenty of background hiss. Anybody ever thought of asking the film makers if this is what they done? Cos everybody is saying it ain't George Harrison (I would agree) but it's a possibility that those words are HIS!?

[Soul Safari]

............

[Unified Serenity]

Naahh, Paul McCartney did not die, that so-called George Harrison tape confession sounds nothing like him either.
A musician's personal style is impossible to imitate, and Paul's Bass playing, Guitar playing and Piano playing style has not altered,
People change in unexpected ways physically through time, and Photographs are often extremely variable (consider some of your own family photo's)
It was a silly hoax that gained momentum in some quarters, but really ...what a big yawn it all is, urban mythology and hearsay.

It's already been noted that the movie states it's has a voice over. There is no way you'd get that kind of voice quality on those little tapes.

[Jenci]

Here's a thought that would likely make this conspiracy even weirder: What if Paul was cloned before he died?

It can't be too far-fetched if you factor in the Tavistock Institute.


I'm not so sure in this case, but the idea of clones, I think it is a possiblilty.

When you consider the work the Nazi scientists were doing in the war and Operation Paperclip, who knows what kind of technological advances they have in this field now.
Jeanette

[Unified Serenity]

Lot's of theories abound about why do this cover up, including another whole thread called Musical chairs:the annunaki's plan to rule the world is basically seeing this move on the part of the beatles to expose a lie in that MI5 was using them, that Paul was dead and Harrison does call him Faul two times that I could tell. The Beatles came to fame at a very pivotol time in American / Western culture. They played a role in ushering in the counter culture movement of checking out and dropping acid.

To move us away from our traditional ways the elites use media, economy, wars etc.. We don't just wake up one day and say, "I want X". OH No no no, we gradually become disenchanted with a system and we demand change because of a crisis. Never let a good crisis go to waste should be the elites motto really. Problem, crisis, solution and it works like a charm. We have been programmed to demand worldwide change in power, sovergnty, money systems, control paradigms, and all towards the goal of ascension. We are not evolving worldwide, we are being herded like cats little by little, and I do believe we are coming to the bottleneck part and the speed of the stuff happenings will just get faster and faster.

Two threads dealing with this topice:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37316-Media-Musical-Chairs-How-the-Anunnaki-plan-to-rule-the-world


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37132-Coming-to-terms-with-Ascension-religion-and-David-Wilcock-hysteria

[Lancelot]

Neither for or against..

But it's quite clear (in my eyes) that it's just a voice over. A more professional version as opposed to the original old analogue tape with plenty of background hiss. Anybody ever thought of asking the film makers if this is what they done? Cos everybody is saying it ain't George Harrison (I would agree) but it's a possibility that those words are HIS!?

I agree the ridiculous voice over doesn't do the credibility of this video any good however if you can get over this and watch the video to the end, the evidence does seem compelling. It does strike me though that the reason for planting the new Paul after the original Paul died is for the record company to continue making millions out of the Beatles rather than to prevent grieved girls from comitting suicide.

[Lancelot]

Also of interest to this thread is an investigation by some italian forensic experts-


http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

[Lancelot]

On further investigating some of the claims in this video I've found that -
Yesterday was released in 1965 so can't have been written about Pauls death (if this really came from George Harrison, surely he would have known that!)
Heather Mills was born in 1968 so can't have been the girl who was in the car crash with Paul in 1966 as she hadn't been born!

It does seem that there may be some truth in the claim that Paul died and was replaced its just that this video doesn't present the evidence in a thouroughly researched or credible manner.

[noxon medem]

There's a video posted earlier in this thread, I can't remember if it was George or Ringo but he said they tried to get Paul to take drugs but he wouldn't and then 18 months later they were suprised when he came out and talked about it.

Paul talked about taking drugs/lsd in 1967. This video shows the interview and also has clips of a press conference the year earlier - made on the assumption that he was replaced between the two.

Although I see similiar mannerisms and speech patterns (like 'you know') between the two, something is missing in the second video. In the first video Paul is confident but there is also a shyness and humilty about him. His mouth twitches a lot, he looks awkward. There's a cuteness about him which is really endearing - as a woman I find it very attractive (eg 6.30 & 7.40).

I don't see this in the Paul a year later.I know that those who claim he was replaced talk about spirit of Paul missing in the post 66 Paul.

Having said that the second interview was in a different environment on a one-to-one basis and it may explain his extra confidence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkKYgX2Fu-U

Jeanette
(very sensible what he says, "Paul" , in that newer inteview, and D old ..).

video is called : A changed Paul (who "died" and was "reborn" ?)

or rather: changing Paul ...

- very adequate keywords .

There is a basic, interesting perspective to this (these) thread (s)
- The illusion , and to what degree our perceived reality is in any
small or serious degree manipulated , by entities as the Mi5 ,types ...

more music , please :
Revolution , live


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imb4tYOk8GE

Paul is accused of being more business-minded.
Here John seems to take control , or be given ,
and drag him (Paul?) along ...

- all to
The eye that see .

- And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=a_XG_YlTPPQ
U know I believe in How
( something else )

- All well to all for all days , and the new year . ( 3387456 BG was it ? )

:)

:fish2:

PS.
In some scolar circles of my hometown there was a particular ,
philosophical idea that was revolved therein for some time :

If the copy is better than the original ,
why not choose the copy ?!?

(why and why not is allmost the same , that is why I normally do not do Why)

DS.

[Eric J (Viking)]

http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.no/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-real.html?m=1

Looks like Ringo has let the cat out of the bag

Viking

[Sean]

It's sad that people are so suspicious these days, that ANYONE can be accused of being an imposter and, have it be taken somewhat seriously no matter how completely ludicrous it may be. Look, Paul McCartney is a musician with an incredible body of work..and, I think that a musician's music is just as identifying as a DNA sample. If Paul were not Paul, we'd know by now. But, hey..carry on..

[Eric J (Viking)]

Further info here...forensic evidence!

http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/Paul-McCartney-Italian.html

Viking

[DNA]

It's sad that people are so suspicious these days, that ANYONE can be accused of being an imposter and, have it be taken somewhat seriously now matter how completely ludicrous it may be. Look, Paul McCartney is a musician with an incredible body of work..and, I think that a musician's music is just as identifying as a DNA sample. If Paul were not Paul, we'd know by now. But, hey..carry on..

I think this conspiracy provides an excellent example of cognitive dissonance. The proof being overwhelming and folks find it too painful to accept.

I think if the real Paul were alive we would have noted more than this from him in so far as post Beatles hits were concerned. Also the lyrics are pretty telling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBX2dySWGew[/url]

[syrwong]

http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.no/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-real.html?m=1

Looks like Ringo has let the cat out of the bag

Viking

Where is the complete interview, and any picture or video of the interview? I searched the internet and found only repetitions of the same clip in different sites. Can't even verify the interview existed. Conclusion: this is faked news, constantly manufactured to discredit the alternative media, so that the mainstream appears the only credible source of "truth".

[Eric J (Viking)]

Have you read any other parts of info with regard to this...post 168 is interesting and much more info out there if you care to research...I know this is a touchy subject..but I don't care. ..truth will surface in all four corners.

be well.

viking



http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.no/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-real.html?m=1

Looks like Ringo has let the cat out of the bag

Viking

Where is the complete interview, and any picture or video of the interview? I searched the internet and found only repetitions of the same clip in different sites. Can't even verify the interview existed. Conclusion: this is faked news, constantly manufactured to discredit the alternative media, so that the mainstream appears the only credible source of "truth".

[syrwong]

Yes. I read that long time ago in this thread. I am making a different point. There must be hundreds of conspiracy theories going on, most of them conspiracy truths. It is important for the Ministry of Truth to dicredit these theories by producing faked stories, false evidence that are meant to be debunked. This would confuse the public and make them lose interest in the subject. BTW, suppose Paul is dead, when Ringo Starr really decides he is too old to lose, he will find he has been preempted.


Have you read any other parts of info with regard to this...post 168 is interesting and much more info out there if you care to research...I know this is a touchy subject..but I don't care. ..truth will surface in all four corners.

be well.

viking



http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.no/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-real.html?m=1

Looks like Ringo has let the cat out of the bag

Viking

Where is the complete interview, and any picture or video of the interview? I searched the internet and found only repetitions of the same clip in different sites. Can't even verify the interview existed. Conclusion: this is faked news, constantly manufactured to discredit the alternative media, so that the mainstream appears the only credible source of "truth".

[yelik]

FORMER BEATLE RINGO STARR CLAIMS THE “REAL” PAUL MCCARTNEY DIED IN 1966 AND WAS REPLACED BY LOOK-ALIKE
World News
Mar
01
2015

http://www.stage2omega.com/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-the-real-paul-mccartney-died-in-1966-and-was-replaced-by-look-alike/?utm_source=Stage2Omega+Daily+Digest+Newsletter&utm_campaign=abe2dbce1a-Stage2Omega_Nightly_Digest_Newsletter1_11_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65449d26fb-abe2dbce1a-219599281
28 February 2015
The former drummer of the Beatles, Ringo Starr, surprised the world this morning during an interview in his luxurious Californian residence, when he admitted that the 45-year old rumors about the alleged death of Paul McCartney in 1966 were actually true.

In an exclusive interview with the Hollywood Inquirer, Mr. Starr explained that the “real” Paul McCartney had died in a car crash on November 9 1966, after an argument during a Beatles’ recording session.

To spare the public from grief, the Beatles replaced him with a man named William Shears Campbell, who was the winner of a McCartney look-alike contest and who happened to have the same kind of jovial personality as Paul.

“When Paul died, we all panicked!” claims Ringo, obviously very emotional. “We didn’t know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire Billy Shears as a temporary solution. It was supposed to last only a week or two, but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better than Paul. The only problem was that he couldn’t get along with John, at all.”

William Shears Campbell, better known as Billy Shears, does indeed “disappear ” from records in 1966 and traces of him can be found after Paul’s alleged death.
paul2

Mr. Starr alleges that the group did send out a lot of hidden messages through the years to prepare the population for the truth.
He notably says that the entire Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album was awash with Paul-is-dead clues: the Beatles had indeed officially formed a “new” band featuring a “fictional” member named Billy Shears, which happened to be the actual name of Paul’s replacement.

“We felt guilty about the deception” added Ringo Starr. “We wanted to tell the world the truth, be we were afraid of the reactions it would provoke. We thought the whole planet was going to hate us for all the lies we had told, so we kept lying but sending subtle clues to relieve our cousciousness. When the first rumors finally began about the whole thing, we felt very nervous and started fighting a lot with each other. At some point, it was too much for John and he decided to leave the band.”

Ringo Starr claims that he finally decided to tell the truth, because he was afraid that it was going to die with him. At age 74, he is the only other surviving member of the famous band besides Paul McCartney, and he was afraid the deception would never be revealed.
beatles

The rumors of Paul’s death began more than 45 years ago, but had always been dismissed as nonsense by the band and its entourage. In September 1969, American college students published a series of articles in which they claimed that clues to McCartney’s death could be found among the lyrics and artwork of the Beatles’ recordings. Clue-hunting rapidly proved infectious, and within a few weeks, it had become an international phenomenon. Rumours only declined after a contemporary interview with McCartney was published in Life magazine in November 1969.

Neither Paul McCartney nor anyone from his entourage have commented Ringo Starr’s declaration yet, but the interview has already provoked a lot of reactions around the world. Journalists and paparazzis from around the world have surrounded the residence of the musician only minutes after the interview was broadcasted and are awaiting for the star to comment the allegations.

The British MI5 also announced an investigation to determine if an impostor could have indeed posed for 48 years as the Member of the Order of the British Empire, Sir James Paul McCartney, during official ceremonies involving Queen Elizabeth II.

Source: http://breakingdownthnews.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-real.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+BdtnBreakingDownTheNews+(BDTN+BREAKING+down+the+NEWS)&utm_content=FeedBurner

[Camilo]

What a load of crap!

[Meggings]

Not so. Is likely true. People don't notice. Who noticed the change in President Carter in May 1979?
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[Kimberley]

I watched a few things about the Paul story a couple of years ago and it was very convincing...however this recent "news" from Ringo seems to not be true...


The most trending fake news as collected by Trendolizer

http://fake.trendolizer.com/2015/02/former-beatle-ringo-starr-claims-the-real-paul-mccartney-died-in-1966-and-was-replaced-by-look-alike.html

[wnlight]

I do not think this story is true, but it is an interesting read.

[Cardillac]

these stories about Paul McCartney and Jimmie Carter (among others) being replaced by 'clones' have been around for awhile;

I don't necessarily believe them but I don't refute them either; let's face it: none of us really knows unless one on this website is an insider-

I wouldn't doubt for a second that successful human cloning has probably existed for a long time now; as to why certain individuals are chosen to be 'cloned' as opposed to others raises many unanswered questions...

Larry

[yelik]

Does Ringo star have a blog where he can confirm or otherwise his comments?

[jc71]

I think this is unlikely to be true. The sources don't look very reliable!

JC

[betoobig]

I´m with Cardillac but in this story clones are not the issue becouse if they where clones we won´t tell the difference and in both stories there are big differences even though they are alike...

[araucaria]

I´m with Cardillac but in this story clones are not the issue becouse if they where clones we won´t tell the difference and in both stories there are big differences even though they are alike...
Yes, we are talking about 'political decoys'


A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impersonate) a politician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician), to draw attention away from the real person or to take risks on their behalf. This can also apply to military figures, or civilians impersonated for political/espionage purposes.
The political decoy is an individual who has been selected because of their strong physical resemblance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look-alike) to the person they are impersonating. This resemblance can be strengthened by plastic surgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery). Often, such decoys are trained to speak and behave like their 'target'
For the best-known examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy
Another more controversial instance is that of Pope Paul VI: http://www.tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm
http://www.henrymakow.com/was_pope_paul_vi_replaced_by_a.html

[Cidersomerset]

There is an earlier thread about this and the links below.
I don't think its true but if it is they were lucky with the double.

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Re: Paul McCartney Really Is Dead: The Last Testament Of George Harrison

Hi All ..If Paul did die in 1966 his double is just as Talented......

Wings...

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Paul talking about his marraige to Linda..

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Paul on Parkinson

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Glastonbury 2009
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If we lost Paul....We gained paul.....Steve

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37168-Paul-McCartney-Really-Is-Dead-The-Last-Testament-Of-George-Harrison&p=386647#post386647

[yelik]

Looks like it might be a hoax, although trusting the Daily Mirror is a bit like trusting a hungry lion 6 feet away.

Just shows how easily people can be mislead. I think the Cabal are going to fill the internet with even more disinfo and distractions as we go along MAXIMUM DISCERNMENT TIME

http://www.mirror.co...it-real-5260576

In the past week you may have seen your friends on Twitter and Facebook discuss an interview in which Ringo Starr reportedly reveals the real Paul McCartney died in 1966.
The 'interview' claims that Beatles bassist Paul McCartney died in a car crash and was replaced by a look-alike in order to keep public morale from dropping.
This has long been a relatively popular conspiracy theory, but has - until recently - bubbled away in dark corners of the internet, disregarded as nothing more than just a conspiracy.
That was until last week, when a number of websites reported on an 'exclusive Ringo Starr interview' in which the former Beatles drummer admitted the conspiracy is true.

WireImagePaul-McCartney-and-Ringo-Starrg.jpg
Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr performing together in 2009

The websites, such as WorldNewsDailyReport.com, reported that Ringo gave the interview to the Hollywood Inquirer, and claimed he said:

"When Paul died, we all panicked!
"We didn't know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire Billy Shears as a temporary solution.
"It was supposed to last only a week or two, but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better than Paul.
"The only problem was that he couldn't get along with John, at all."
But is it true?

GettyFifty-years-since-Beatlemania-gripped-th
The Beatles in February 1964

Well, no. The Hollywood Inquirer doesn't actually exist, and Ringo Starr certainly hasn't granted them an exclusive interview.
WorldNewsDailyReport is a satirical news website and is for entertainment purposes only.
If you recognise the name Billy Shears, that's because he is the fictional musician referenced in The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.
Paul McCartney is alive and well, and despite the fact we don't have any DNA evidence to support our theory, we do firmly believe he is the real deal.
Mainly because:
Imagine the number of people who would have to lie in order to keep this conspiracy going - family members, friends, loved ones. How about ET
Paul McCartney has a fairly unique voice, which still sounds pretty much the same now as it did in his youth (despite losing some vocal range due to old age).
Paul McCartney is one of the greatest songwriters in modern music, but only someone as beautifully mad as Paul McCartney could have a hand in writing something as AWFUL as Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, which was written in 1968.
Imagine the odds of finding an exact Paul McCartney look-alike, who sounds like Paul, writes songs like Paul, and can play bass and guitar left-handed (just like Paul) as well as being incredible at piano (just like Paul).

[Cardillac]

people must finally realize labeled "scandal rags" are simply fronts for alphabet agencies like the CIA/MI6, etc.; they're purposely labeled as such so most reading the info contained within will refute the stories not realizing most of the accounts are reality, albeit some accounts are peppered with a few lies;

hence because Princess Diana's testimony "Charles has threatened me with a fatal car crash" first appeared in Britain's "scandal rag" "The Sun" most still believe Diana's demise was actually an "accident"- give us a break-

it's a fine line one has to draw: separating the wheat from the chaff in scandal rags; but I believe most of what is stated in the scandal rags is actually the truth-

Larry

[Nasu]

people must finally realize labeled "scandal rags" are simply fronts for alphabet agencies like the CIA/MI6, etc.; they're purposely labeled as such so most reading the info contained within will refute the stories not realizing most of the accounts are reality, albeit some accounts are peppered with a few lies;

hence because Princess Diana's testimony "Charles has threatened me with a fatal car crash" first appeared in Britain's "scandal rag" "The Sun" most still believe Diana's demise was actually an "accident"- give us a break-

it's a fine line one has to draw: separating the wheat from the chaff in scandal rags; but I believe most of what is stated in the scandal rags is actually the truth-

Larry

Respectfully, Nah... Even if the current Paul was Billy Shears, so what, he's got some great talent you've got to admit it.. I agree that the alphabet soups try to muddy the waters, maybe your right, but this is just mud, nothing more, IMHO... N

[jake gittes]

He blew his mind out in a car. He didn't notice that the lights had changed.

[ghostrider]

It wouldn't surprise me , the world has been tricked before , we live in a world of illusions , calling Immanuel Jesus , the moon landing hoax , WMD's in Iraq , the end of the world in 2012 , St. Peter was never a pope , the list goes on ...

[East Sun]

I´m with Cardillac but in this story clones are not the issue becouse if they where clones we won´t tell the difference and in both stories there are big differences even though they are alike...
Yes, we are talking about 'political decoys'



A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impersonate) a politician (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician), to draw attention away from the real person or to take risks on their behalf. This can also apply to military figures, or civilians impersonated for political/espionage purposes.
The political decoy is an individual who has been selected because of their strong physical resemblance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Look-alike) to the person they are impersonating. This resemblance can be strengthened by plastic surgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery). Often, such decoys are trained to speak and behave like their 'target'
For the best-known examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_decoy
Another more controversial instance is that of Pope Paul VI: http://www.tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm
http://www.henrymakow.com/was_pope_paul_vi_replaced_by_a.html
--------------------------------------------------------------
ES
This forum is great...we start off with Paul, go on to Jimmy Carter and then Pope Paul
and back to Paul McCartney. And strangely enough I found something significant in that mix-----

---in the Pope part there was mention of Malachi Martin saying that Satan had invaded the Vatican.
Later there was mention of Communism infiltrating the Vatican, which made me connect to 'O' Barry what's 'is name,' bringing Communism into the White House...

Strange how these things reveal so much unexpectedly.

[Mike Gorman]

The Beatles were the first really huge 'pop' phenomenon - there were 'teen idols' prior to them, but it really sent the needle to the right when they were set loose from 1963 - cultural upheavals, and the unfolding of the counter-culture as the 60's progressed - of course stories, claims and conspiracies are going to proliferate about them...The Beatles became the icons of the baby boomer generation, the 'locus mysterium' of alternative spirituality . It nearly drove the sensitive John & George crazy, but Paul McCartney seemed to lap it up and flourish-he was a different animal to the the other three, astoundingly creative and talented in ways quite different to John Lennon, George Harrison & Ringo who were also very gifted but lacked the same commercial instincts and drive as 'Macca'. It is for this reason so much nonsense is perpetrated - he is astoundingly wealthy and 'out there'. This story is either a satirical jibe, or plain bollocks.

[araucaria]

I personally am not terribly interested in the Beatles, especially Paul McCartney, whose contributions make me cringe, :behindsofa:

What interests me here is the idea that all the world’s a stage and we are all in costume and heavily made up. Or think of sport: the personnel on a basketball court or hockey rink is changing all the time, but the game goes on, and while a neophyte might enjoy the spectacle, there is extra fun in knowing actually who is doing what.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting info here. ..
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/paul-mccartney-refutes-ringo-starrs-allegations-that-he-died-in-1966-3/

viking

[Debra]

Oh my goodness, I have been following this thread the last couple of days and ...

well, all I can say is the sources for these allegations are a little limp, don't you think?

I am part amused, part gobsmacked. I have a personal connection within the McCartney family, from way back, and all I can say about this line of enquiry is: seriously?

Notwithstanding many years inside the music industry, I have NEVER heard even a whisper of this.

Enough from me. But go ahead,knock yourselves out. It just seems a strange game of sport to me.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Apparently this is common knowledge in the home town...quite a few anomalies if you research it and delve deeper...who knows...There is video around where Paul was saying that he had sold more records than the other Paul and was a better musician...The Paul today is an outstanding artist, but let's not Bury this just yet ;-)

Viking


Oh my goodness, I have been following this thread the last couple of days and ...

well, all I can say is the sources for these allegations are a little limp, don't you think?

I am part amused, part gobsmacked. I have a personal connection within the McCartney family, from way back, and all I can say about this line of enquiry is: seriously?

Notwithstanding many years inside the music industry, I have NEVER heard even a whisper of this.

Enough from me. But go ahead,knock yourselves out. It just seems a strange game of sport to me.

[Eric J (Viking)]

http://www.bestonlinevidz.com/paul-mccartney-vs-faul-mccartney-forensic-voice-comparison-42806.html

Paul McCartney Vs Faul McCartney, Forensic Voice Comparison

Viking

[Debra]

Gosh Viking, show me the evidence.

I guess even if I produced members of Paul McCartney's family to give evidence to you, you would still think this story is true.

source Mirror UK March 2 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/ringo-starr-just-admit-real-5260576)

For once, I agree with the Mirror ...


Some 'news' websites have been claiming that Ringo Starr has revealed the real Macca died in 1964


http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5260884.ece/alternates/s615/sir-paul-mccartney-Main.jpg
A side-by-side image of Paul McCartney in 1964 and in present day

In the past week you may have seen your friends on Twitter and Facebook discuss an interview in which Ringo Starr reportedly reveals the real Paul McCartney died in 1966.

Meaning that everything from Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band onwards was not performed by him

The 'interview' claims that Beatles bassist Paul McCartney died in a car crash and was replaced by a look-alike in order to keep public morale from dropping.

This has long been a relatively popular conspiracy theory, but has - until recently - bubbled away in dark corners of the internet, disregarded as nothing more than just a conspiracy.

That was until last week, when a number of websites reported on an 'exclusive Ringo Starr interview' in which the former Beatles drummer admitted the conspiracy is true.
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3556608.ece/alternates/s615/Paul-McCartney-and-Ringo-Starrg.jpg
WireImage: Paul McCartney and Ringo StarrPaul McCartney and Ringo Starr performing together in 2009

The websites, such as WorldNewsDailyReport.com, reported that Ringo gave the interview to the Hollywood Inquirer, and claimed he said:

"When Paul died, we all panicked!

"We didn't know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire Billy Shears as a temporary solution.



"It was supposed to last only a week or two, but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better than Paul.

"The only problem was that he couldn't get along with John, at all."

But is it true?

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3105893.ece/alternates/s615/Fifty-years-since-Beatlemania-gripped-the-US.jpg

Getty: The Beatles pose in the sea at Miami Beach during the band's tour of AmericaThe Beatles in February 1964

Well, no. The Hollywood Inquirer doesn't actually exist, and Ringo Starr certainly hasn't granted them an exclusive interview.

WorldNewsDailyReport is a satirical news website and is for entertainment purposes only.

If you recognise the name Billy Shears, that's because he is the fictional musician referenced in The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

Paul McCartney is alive and well, and despite the fact we don't have any DNA evidence to support our theory, we do firmly believe he is the real deal.

Mainly because:


Imagine the number of people who would have to lie in order to keep this conspiracy going - family members, friends, loved ones.

Paul McCartney has a fairly unique voice, which still sounds pretty much the same now as it did in his youth (despite losing some vocal range due to old age).

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest songwriters in modern music, but only someone as beautifully mad as Paul McCartney could have a hand in writing something as AWFUL as Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, which was written in 1968.

Imagine the odds of finding an exact Paul McCartney look-alike, who sounds like Paul, writes songs like Paul, and can play bass and guitar left-handed (just like Paul) as well as being incredible at piano (just like Paul).

With respect ..

[syrwong]

Most conspiracy theories are "uninteresting" in the sense that they are easily judged to be true(or false). For example I was quite convinced that 911 was a conspiracy within hours of watching some presentation. There are just too many holes or discrepancies in official explanations of many conspiracies. This Paul is Dead conspiracy really is very interesting in that I still am not certain of its truth, though I am inclined to believe it. There are bits and pieces missing for it to be convincing. These might be
1. Why is the tape recording of George Harrison exposing the conspiracy not made public? Who is keeping it? There is not even a transcript.
2. Any clear-cut photo of the sudden growth in the height of Paul?
3. Any recording of the other Beatles calling Paul "Faul"? I would consider this very important.
4. All materials about this seem second hand. Any first hand materials given by a Beatle relating to this conspiracy.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Lol you are funny...'THE DAILY MIRROR'

you get more truth in the beano or dandy mags...

Anyway we always discern...The readers can make up there own mind...no worries.

With respect..


Gosh Viking, show me the evidence.

I guess even if I produced members of Paul McCartney's family to give evidence to you, you would still think this story is true.

source Mirror UK March 2 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/usvsth3m/ringo-starr-just-admit-real-5260576)

For once, I agree with the Mirror ...


Some 'news' websites have been claiming that Ringo Starr has revealed the real Macca died in 1964


http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5260884.ece/alternates/s615/sir-paul-mccartney-Main.jpg
A side-by-side image of Paul McCartney in 1964 and in present day

In the past week you may have seen your friends on Twitter and Facebook discuss an interview in which Ringo Starr reportedly reveals the real Paul McCartney died in 1966.

Meaning that everything from Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band onwards was not performed by him

The 'interview' claims that Beatles bassist Paul McCartney died in a car crash and was replaced by a look-alike in order to keep public morale from dropping.

This has long been a relatively popular conspiracy theory, but has - until recently - bubbled away in dark corners of the internet, disregarded as nothing more than just a conspiracy.

That was until last week, when a number of websites reported on an 'exclusive Ringo Starr interview' in which the former Beatles drummer admitted the conspiracy is true.
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WireImage: Paul McCartney and Ringo StarrPaul McCartney and Ringo Starr performing together in 2009

The websites, such as WorldNewsDailyReport.com, reported that Ringo gave the interview to the Hollywood Inquirer, and claimed he said:

"When Paul died, we all panicked!

"We didn't know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire Billy Shears as a temporary solution.



"It was supposed to last only a week or two, but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better than Paul.

"The only problem was that he couldn't get along with John, at all."

But is it true?

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3105893.ece/alternates/s615/Fifty-years-since-Beatlemania-gripped-the-US.jpg

Getty: The Beatles pose in the sea at Miami Beach during the band's tour of AmericaThe Beatles in February 1964

Well, no. The Hollywood Inquirer doesn't actually exist, and Ringo Starr certainly hasn't granted them an exclusive interview.

WorldNewsDailyReport is a satirical news website and is for entertainment purposes only.

If you recognise the name Billy Shears, that's because he is the fictional musician referenced in The Beatles' Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

Paul McCartney is alive and well, and despite the fact we don't have any DNA evidence to support our theory, we do firmly believe he is the real deal.

Mainly because:


Imagine the number of people who would have to lie in order to keep this conspiracy going - family members, friends, loved ones.

Paul McCartney has a fairly unique voice, which still sounds pretty much the same now as it did in his youth (despite losing some vocal range due to old age).

Paul McCartney is one of the greatest songwriters in modern music, but only someone as beautifully mad as Paul McCartney could have a hand in writing something as AWFUL as Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, which was written in 1968.

Imagine the odds of finding an exact Paul McCartney look-alike, who sounds like Paul, writes songs like Paul, and can play bass and guitar left-handed (just like Paul) as well as being incredible at piano (just like Paul).

With respect ..

[kemo]

While they were at it why didn't they replace the real Ringo with somebody who could drum.

John Lennon said he wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles.

[Cidersomerset]

changed post as it was a duplicate of posts above.....

saw this one instead....

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Published on 2 Mar 2015


http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/forme... Beverly Hills| The former drummer of the
Beatles, Ringo Starr, surprised the world this morning during an interview in his
luxurious Californian residence, when he admitted that the 45-year old rumors
about the alleged death of Paul McCartney in 1966 were actually true.

In an exclusive interview with the Hollywood Inquirer, Mr. Starr explained that
the “real” Paul McCartney had died in a car crash on November 9 1966, after an
argument during a Beatles’ recording session. To spare the public from grief, the
Beatles replaced him with a man named William Shears Campbell, who was the
winner of a McCartney look-alike contest and who happened to have the same kind
of jovial personality as Paul.


“When Paul died, we all panicked!” claims Ringo, obviously very emotional. “We
didn’t know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire
Billy Shears as a temporary solution. It was supposed to last only a week or two,
but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy
turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better
than Paul. The only problem was that he couldn’t get along with John, at all.”

William Shears Campbell, better known as Billy Shears, does indeed “disappear ”
from records in 1966 and no traces of him can be found after Paul’s alleged death.

paul2
These pictures from 1966 show the great resemblance between Paul McCartney on
the left, and William Shears Campbell on the right, at the time of McCartney’s
alleged death.

Mr. Starr alleges that the group did send out a lot of hidden messages through the
years to prepare the population for the truth.

He notably says that the entire Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album was
awash with Paul-is-dead clues: the Beatles had indeed officially formed a “new”
band featuring a “fictional” member named Billy Shears, which happened to be the
actual name of Paul’s replacement.


“We felt guilty about the deception” added Ringo Starr. “We wanted to tell the
world the truth, but we were afraid of the reactions it would provoke. We thought
the whole planet was going to hate us for all the lies we had told, so we kept lying
but sending subtle clues to relieve our cousciousness. When the first rumors finally
began about the whole thing, we felt very nervous and started fighting a lot with
each other. At some point, it was too much for John and he decided to leave the band.”

Ringo Starr claims that he finally decided to tell the truth, because he was afraid
that it was going to die with him. At age 74, he is the only other surviving member
of the famous band besides Paul McCartney, and he was afraid the deception would
never be revealed.

beatles
According to Ringo Starr, the cover of the Abbey Road album was a hidden
message to the world, symbolising a funeral procession. John Lennon, dressed in
white, symbolises the clergyman. Ringo Starr, dressed in black, symbolises the
undertaker. George Harrison, in denim jeans and shirt, symbolises the gravedigger
and McCartney, barefoot and out of step with other members of the band,
symbolises the corpse.

The rumors of Paul’s death began more than 45 years ago, but had always been
dismissed as nonsense by the band and its entourage. In September 1969,
American college students published a series of articles in which they claimed that
clues to McCartney’s death could be found among the lyrics and artwork of the
Beatles’ recordings. Clue-hunting rapidly proved infectious, and within a few weeks,
it had become an international phenomenon. Rumours only declined after a
contemporary interview with McCartney was published in Life magazine in
November 1969.

Neither Paul McCartney nor anyone from his entourage have commented Ringo
Starr’s declaration yet, but the interview has already provoked a lot of reactions
around the world. Journalists and paparazzis from around the world have
surrounded the residence of the musician only minutes after the interview was
broadcasted and are awaiting for the star to comment the allegations.

The British MI5 also announced an investigation to determine if an impostor could
have indeed posed for 48 years as the Member of the Order of the British Empire,
Sir James Paul McCartney, during official ceremonies involving Queen Elizabeth II.


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Paul McCartney Rumor His Death 1966 Speaks About That

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Speaks About Rumor His Death 1966

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JOHN LENNON talks of BEATLES Reunion 1975!

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[Cidersomerset]

While they were at it why didn't they replace the real Ringo with somebody who could drum.

John Lennon said he wasn't even the best drummer in the Beatles.



But he was not a bad children's story narrator


Thomas the Tank Engine & Friends Debut - 1984

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I just posted this on the other thread...

0QskdMnib6U

Published on 2 Mar 2015


http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/forme... Beverly Hills| The former drummer of the
Beatles, Ringo Starr, surprised the world this morning during an interview in his
luxurious Californian residence, when he admitted that the 45-year old rumors
about the alleged death of Paul McCartney in 1966 were actually true.

In an exclusive interview with the Hollywood Inquirer, Mr. Starr explained that
the “real” Paul McCartney had died in a car crash on November 9 1966, after an
argument during a Beatles’ recording session. To spare the public from grief, the
Beatles replaced him with a man named William Shears Campbell, who was the
winner of a McCartney look-alike contest and who happened to have the same kind
of jovial personality as Paul.


“When Paul died, we all panicked!” claims Ringo, obviously very emotional. “We
didn’t know what to do, and Brian Epstein, our manager, suggested that we hire
Billy Shears as a temporary solution. It was supposed to last only a week or two,
but time went by and nobody seemed to notice, so we kept playing along. Billy
turned out to be a pretty good musician and he was able to perform almost better
than Paul. The only problem was that he couldn’t get along with John, at all.”

William Shears Campbell, better known as Billy Shears, does indeed “disappear ”
from records in 1966 and no traces of him can be found after Paul’s alleged death.

paul2
These pictures from 1966 show the great resemblance between Paul McCartney on
the left, and William Shears Campbell on the right, at the time of McCartney’s
alleged death.

Mr. Starr alleges that the group did send out a lot of hidden messages through the
years to prepare the population for the truth.

He notably says that the entire Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band album was
awash with Paul-is-dead clues: the Beatles had indeed officially formed a “new”
band featuring a “fictional” member named Billy Shears, which happened to be the
actual name of Paul’s replacement.


“We felt guilty about the deception” added Ringo Starr. “We wanted to tell the
world the truth, but we were afraid of the reactions it would provoke. We thought
the whole planet was going to hate us for all the lies we had told, so we kept lying
but sending subtle clues to relieve our cousciousness. When the first rumors finally
began about the whole thing, we felt very nervous and started fighting a lot with
each other. At some point, it was too much for John and he decided to leave the band.”

Ringo Starr claims that he finally decided to tell the truth, because he was afraid
that it was going to die with him. At age 74, he is the only other surviving member
of the famous band besides Paul McCartney, and he was afraid the deception would
never be revealed.

beatles
According to Ringo Starr, the cover of the Abbey Road album was a hidden
message to the world, symbolising a funeral procession. John Lennon, dressed in
white, symbolises the clergyman. Ringo Starr, dressed in black, symbolises the
undertaker. George Harrison, in denim jeans and shirt, symbolises the gravedigger
and McCartney, barefoot and out of step with other members of the band,
symbolises the corpse.

The rumors of Paul’s death began more than 45 years ago, but had always been
dismissed as nonsense by the band and its entourage. In September 1969,
American college students published a series of articles in which they claimed that
clues to McCartney’s death could be found among the lyrics and artwork of the
Beatles’ recordings. Clue-hunting rapidly proved infectious, and within a few weeks,
it had become an international phenomenon. Rumours only declined after a
contemporary interview with McCartney was published in Life magazine in
November 1969.

Neither Paul McCartney nor anyone from his entourage have commented Ringo
Starr’s declaration yet, but the interview has already provoked a lot of reactions
around the world. Journalists and paparazzis from around the world have
surrounded the residence of the musician only minutes after the interview was
broadcasted and are awaiting for the star to comment the allegations.

The British MI5 also announced an investigation to determine if an impostor could
have indeed posed for 48 years as the Member of the Order of the British Empire,
Sir James Paul McCartney, during official ceremonies involving Queen Elizabeth II.


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Paul McCartney Rumor His Death 1966 Speaks About That

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JOHN LENNON talks of BEATLES Reunion 1975!

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[outerheaven]

I'm a huge Beatles fan. When the course of my awakening took me over this subject, I was ... not too pleased, haha. But tearing down everything I loved and knew, or thought I knew, is a great experience that teaches one to question everything.

I don't think Paul necessarily has to be "dead," though. It's a leap in logic and one we can't possibly know for sure, but it certainly polarizes the heck out of the issue. I would say to that -- ask yourself why. (BTW, I've seen the documentary in this thread, and IMO it contains numerous historical inaccuracies and is thus disinformation, whether intended or not.)

On the other hand -- study their history, or the history of music in the 60's in general, and it becomes very clear that the Beatles and other acts (esp. Laurel Canyon crew) had the backing of the covert agencies and were used for conditioning/programming the masses. This is a fascinating area of research for anyone who is interested.

FWIW, I'm not even convinced that John Lennon was truly assassinated. Yes I know, boo, hiss and jeers, how dare I question consensus reality, etc. I wouldn't be saying this if there wasn't ample evidence to make me have doubt.

Anyhow ... John and George both had amazing solo careers post-Beatles, and if you listen to their music, you will realize they were trying to tell us a lot. The cover of George's album, Brainwashed, might send a chill down your spine!:

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111230200744/the-beatles-collectors/images/b/bb/Brainwashed_europe_lp.jpg

... The song that this album is named after isn't anything amazing musically, but it should also send a chill down your spine if you listen to what he's telling us. Here's a YT link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObRexobAxOI

I also have to recommend listening to Lennon's album Mind Games, which is one of my favorite albums of all time. Simply genius musically, and again, also a hugely revealing album if you have the ears to listen. Full album link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUZQZ_4Zl_M

These guys were initiated into some of mystery's secrets, IMO. They saw and lived through a lot and their music certainly speaks to that. But I don't think we'll ever know what, exactly, happened until the veil is lifted.

Oh, BTW, it's extremely hard to find, but speaking of chills down the spine -- listen to Heather Mills' phone interview with one of those gossip celeb TV shows shortly after her divorce with Paul. She's frantic, says she discovered a secret he kept that was so awful that if the fans knew, it would devastate them. She even says that if anything happens to her, she has distributed the info so that it will come out. She clarifies, "and I'm not talking about infidelity or anything like that" ...

Hmmmmmmm! I don't claim to know what happened, but I can safely say that there are some very odd circumstances surrounding this group, this era of time, this life in general, to make me pause and question what I'm seeing :D

[The Royal Wizard]

Interesting that Paul in the video above actually admits that he is the lookalike. I saw Paul and Ringo resently interviewed when they for the first time was back in an US theater they have played as Beatles in the early sixties. They were talking about how it was and how it looked (the theater), well, Ringo was talking, Paul almost didn't say anything and looked confused. I wondered why Ringo was remembering everything, he laughed, pointed and looked comfortable, but Paul.......almost nothing.

All the best

TRW

[araucaria]

The question is, would this sort of deception be likely in certain circumstances and if so, why? It might be to gain some advantage. There was all kinds of deception in the build-up to D-Day, which included the use of an actor and lookalike to impersonate General Montgomery .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._E._Clifton_James
Whether or not this particular initiative had the desired effect, and there are some indications that it did, the overall outcome was nevertheless that the Germans were to some considerable extent diverted from Normandy, where the landings were made, with many, including Hitler himself, expecting them to come across the Straits of Dover. The fake Monty was only a tiny element in the deception plan, the major one being a whole phantom army under General Patton, with wooden and inflatable rubber tanks and other fakery, as well as fullscale phoney communications to be picked up by the enemy. If you haven’t heard this story before, it is an interesting one.
http://www.americainwwii.com/articles/pattons-ghost-army/

Hence, to return to the Beatles, one may wonder in what circumstances such established deception potential might be brought into play. Apart from the commercial aspect of keeping a highly successful band on the road, there is also a public safety issue. What is known as Beatlemania was throngs of countless hysterical teenagers clamouring to get close to their idols. Car accidents are an everyday occurrence, and were much more lethal back in the days before safety belts and breathalyzers. I’m not saying this actually happened, but if ever one of these guys were to meet such a sticky end, it would have resulted in a Diana-type scenario in spades. So I imagine such a contingency plan would have been in existence and doubtless implemented if ever the need arose. Like many other deceptions, it would have been done with the best of intentions, and was probably the best available option. But at some stage the deceit has got to stop; the exit strategy is always the difficult part and is eventually taken out of your hands if you dither for too long.

[syrwong]

Almost all conspiracy theories can be determined to be true or false within a few hours of examination, except the PID theory. There is a lack of old videos and photos and witnesses to support any conclusion. That is why it intrigued me very much. I was still unable to decide whether it was a real conspiracy, though inclining to believe it was. However, after watching this video which has a lot of photos, I am now 99% sure it is real.
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[Cidersomerset]

This ended up a heart warming journey through memory lane for Paul & James
in Liverpool and there are some good insights into Pauls life in the city. Could
he have learn't these stories ? of course but he seems genuine to me....


Paul McCartney Carpool Karaoke

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Published on 21 Jun 2018
James Corden heads to Liverpool for a special day with Paul McCartney spent
exploring the city of Paul's youth, visiting his childhood home where he wrote
music with John Lennon, performing songs in a local pub and of course driving
around singing a few of Paul's biggest hits.

Pre-order Paul McCartney's new album Egypt Station and download his two new
songs "Come On To Me" and "I Don't Know" here: https://paulmccartney.lnk.to/EgyptSta...

[greybeard]

Too many people knew Paul personally back then for his "death" to be covered up.
Bands in competition with the Beatles would have been only too happy to spill the beans, so to speak.
Having, as a bass guitarist, lived through the Beatles musical career--I would stake anything on the fact that Paul (the original) is alive, well and still making music.
People into conspiracy theory love to be the ones to find out!!! and sometimes they are right, but not in this case.

Chris

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

This ended up a heart warming journey through memory lane for Paul & James
in Liverpool and there are some good insights into Pauls life in the city. Could
he have learn't these stories ? of course but he seems genuine to me....

Paul McCartney Carpool Karaoke

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Would have been an entertaining watch, had it not been for that bloody James Corden. I hear he's in America now. Thank God. For those of you across the pond...I am truly sorry (and no, we don't want him back). :happythumbsup:

[Cidersomerset]

Once you start looking at U'tube's others pop up on the link recommended for you
and this popped up among others and is interesting...

This is from 1969 I don't know if it has been already posted but his brother assures
the host he is alive and well after being unexpectedly confronted as explained
below. Scaffold were a club trio who had a couple of novelty hits in the 1960's
like 'Lilly the Pink'...

Paul Is Not Dead - Mike 'McGear' McCartney

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Published on 20 Feb 2017
Shortly after the PID rumour reached the point of actually making reporters harass
Paul at his Scottish farm, Mike and his Scaffold friends were interviewed about PID.
Here's what a he had to say about the whole thing. Notice how annoyed he gets,
and how it sort of makes his humour fall flat at times. He's clearly upset that people
would make up such rubbish about his brother. The observant viewer will notice that
Mike's hands are the same as Paul's, and that his mannerisms and way of speaking
are also very much like Paul's. In a way, this interview is a PIA clue in itself, since
Paul today behaves and speaks so much like Mike does in this interview.

Quote from 'The Macs - Mike McCartney's Family Album' about the interview in question,
in which Mike gives the reader a hint of how upsetting that whole thing was to him:

"In November 1969 whilst the Scaffold were appearing at the tiny Bitter End Club in New
York, we were asked to make a guest appearance on the Mike Douglas TV show. Being
hypersensitive about the 'Beatle brother' tag (it being only a few years since their last
live appearance in the States) the fact that we were to be part of yet another 'English
Week' on the show placated us somewhat, and the further fact that it would be networked
throughout America clinched the deal.

On the first class Parlor Car train from New York to Philadelphia the American public were
their usual friendly selves and wished us (obvious foreigners) a pleasant trip to their country.
Whilst we were propping up the bar, I scored top marks for spotting a citizen using a phone
on the train. When we arrived at the TV station we were introduced to Douglas Fairbanks Jr.
(ah, this must be English Week) and we were asked to take our seats in the audience! We'd
done quite a few strange shows in our short showbiz lives but not many in the audience, but
thought, like phones on trains, it must be an American custom.

Transmission time arrived and everyone waited expectantly, especially us, as no one had told
us what we had to do. Mike Douglas and Doug Fairbanks talked a bit, fenced a bit, looked English
a bit, and then introduced their next guest. .. a DJ from LA'Ah, he must be British,' we thought proudly.

At that time, the 'Paul is Dead' rumour was sweeping the States and getting enormous exposure.
Now, settling into the guest chair a few feet away, was the disc jockey who'd actually started the
whole rumour on his Los Angeles radio show.

He went through the whole con with Mike Douglas ... Paul's back to front on the Pepper album ...
Paul's shoes are off on the Abbey Road cover ... Paul's this ... Paul's that ... all proving beyond a
shadow of a Paul that Paul was definitely DEAD!!

Now certain things are like a red rag to a bull so when they'd stopped rabbitting on and Mike Douglas
asked me for my comments (seeing as I was just passing, six thousand miles from home, and
coincidentally happened to be Paul's brother) I pawed the ground a little, then charged.

I pointed out that apart from it being too silly to waste valuable air time for me, the Scaffold and the
American public, it was also a gigantic, well-planned hoax, based on groundless innuendo and straight
lies, but most of all how could you, Mr. LA DJ, condone, or live with, the precise moment in time when
millions of young loving trusting teenagers heard that their biggest pop hero was ... dead! (It was as
though the Kennedy and Martin Luther King murders were a hoax!)

There was a stunned silence. Showbiz was never like this, especially on a cosy afternoon, live, network
telly to middle America.Mike Douglas covered beautifully and we went straight into the commercials.

Even I hadn't realised the impact I had caused until we were all halfway up the studio's narrow staircase
and the numbed DJ suddenly came out of his coma. Turning around he spat down the stairs 'You f...ing b d,
you call yourself a f...ing professional, you couldn't lick my ass, you f...ing B...' and various other expletives.

They dragged him up up and away from me, arms flailing, and that day I realised that I'll never be a really
true professional because sometimes (just sometimes) there are more important things than 'professionalism'.
I think they call it telling the truth. I wouldn't mind, but the cad wasn't even British."

[TomKat]

I wasted 2 hours going through the "evidence" and concluded that it was a hoax. They show a picture of Paul drop-jawed compared to one where he's not. They say "Faul" is too tall to be Paul in spite of early video showing him to appear slightly taller than John, as documented on IMDB (Paul was 5'11" and John 5'10-1/2"). They say the ear lobes are wrong but if you look at early pictures, they are not at all. People don't appreciate how much age, weight and hair length change a person's appearance.

[TomKat]

Here's Faul doing a great job of imitating Paul's childhood memories in Liverpool. Faul is so talented, he is a super-spy as well as award winning singer/writer :-)

Seriously, it's pretty great if you're a fan like me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjvzCTqkBDQ

[waves]

An amazingly articulate 16 year old has added far more pieces to the puzzle. Quite a few Pauls and doubles galore. Another Crowley connection lurking among the players. Way more clues than I knew before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In3k3WI51JU

[Bill Ryan]

I wasted 2 hours going through the "evidence" and concluded that it was a hoax.

Inspired by this recent question on my Q-and-A thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--) (and the deep rabbithole it led to!) I spent a while yesterday wading through the evidence as well. I'm actually fairly persuaded right now that it's NOT a hoax. :)


What about the Handbook for the New Paradigm, which George Green says he had channeled?

It was a major inspiration in my life, even though I remember one piece of information in particular I found just odd and unbelievable—that Theodor Adorno wrote the music of The Beatles.

My best answer at the time was this (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?104824-Bill-Ryan-s-personal-Question-and-Answer-thread.-Pile-it-on.--&p=1264507&viewfull=1#post1264507), but then I spent several hours listening to and watching these videos by musician and radio host Mike Williams. They're interesting and compelling.

First, here's his June 2017 interview with lawyer and researcher Tina Foster, from http://plasticmacca.blogspot.com. I find Tina a delight to listen to, adding a very human, friendly and sparkly-bright element to all this. She comes over as being a bunch of fun in all her dialog, but she's actually very sharp and detail-oriented.

Meanwhile, Mike Williams clearly knows a LOT about the entire subject, and despite his own extensive knowledge, he gives Tina a lot of time and room and is a VERY good interviewer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87QF5vyDwPk

Here (20 July 2018), Williams' title is: Yes, Paul Is Still Dead. This is mainly about the Tavistock Institute, and the Theodor Adorno question is taken up at 24:15.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRW87P7uJu0

And finally (6 Dec 2018), Williams lays out a whole carefully structured visual presentation, which really needs to be watched carefully in HD. It's titled: The Beatles, Paul McCartney and The Grand Illusion. It also delves deeply into the Tavistock Institute aspect of what he asserts took place.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=235zPNZ1sgI

There's a lot of information here. For anyone new to the topic, the first video with Tina Foster is probably the best intro. One can tell within just a few minutes if one wants to continue the very fascinating journey.

[greybeard]

I dont believe Paul dies and was replaced.
Any "double " would have to tick too many boxes
If your right handed just try and play an instrument back to front
Paul is left handed.
So apart from that he would have to be able to sing harmony, thats more difficult than singing lea vocal. compose music
Fool girlfriend and all friends and relatives--too many people to hush up.
It s a great story but!!!!
You can find evidence for anything you want to believe.

Chris

[Bill Ryan]

I dont believe Paul dies and was replaced.
Any "double " would have to tick too many boxes
If your right handed just try and play an instrument back to front
Paul is left handed.
So apart from that he would have to be able to sing harmony, thats more difficult than singing lea vocal. compose music
Fool girlfriend and all friends and relatives--too many people to hush up.
It s a great story but!!!!
You can find evidence for anything you want to believe.

Chris

In this interview with Sofia Smallstorm (Sept 2016, earlier than the others in my post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37168-Paul-McCartney-Really-Is-Dead-The-Last-Testament-Of-George-Harrison&p=1268009&viewfull=1#post1268009)), Mike Williams tells Sofia how until a year prior, he had scoffed at the story himself. Then he read The Memoirs of Billy Shears (https://www.amazon.com/Memoirs-Billy-Shears-Thomas-Uharriet/dp/1475145888), and that changed his mind completely.

Besides the excellent and fun Tina Foster interview above (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87QF5vyDwPk), the Sofia Smallstorm interview I found really very compelling.

The Death Of Paul McCartney - September 11, 1966


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV39RmErX14

[The Moss Trooper]

And who could ever forget Heather Mills-McCartneys ominous warning that "if the people knew the truth they could never handle it".

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[avid]

Further to video “Yes, Paul is still dead”, referring to ‘Historical Fiction’ book ‘Memoirs of Billy Shears’, after listening about the ‘layers’of information within the book:

Layer one = just words info
Layer two = emboldened text spelling out sentences throughout horizontally
Layer three = vertical information, over 666 pages doesn’t seem to be possible. However, as a typographer, this is simplistic but tedious. Almost no word editing required.

Text set in columns can be ranged left, right, or ‘justified’ - ie ‘set to fit’. To ‘fine-tune’ vertical information just needs a wee bit of kerning - this is very very tiny adjustments on letter-spacing, usually to offset justification ‘stretching’.

This would easily enable vertical messaging with minor editing, over 666 pages a bit boring, but easily possible.

My take on the logicality of the layered structure of the book.

[najara12000]

I went through so many articles and such over the years and didn't know what to think. Until early last year I found Tina Foster. There is just too much evidence to the contrary that Paul is not "Paul". And it's just so blatantly obvious. What a tragedy. It is just so sad to know the real Paul never got credit nor the respect due. I really don't wish for this to come out. Let Faul deal with what he agreed to do. He wants his accolades. He doesn't deserve any. What a creep. They wanted it secret so "Let It Be."


https://www.facebook.com/tina.foster.92351
mewe.com/i/tina.foster1

she contends that Paul was killed after the Seattle concert in 1966 which is why Candlestick the last of the tour was such a bad set. She is also psychic and a lawyer.

[happyuk]

As an avid Beatles fan I was incredulous when I first heard this from Dr Nick Kollerstrom, a researcher I greatly admire. It was on one of
Rich D Hall's shows I think. I am slowly becoming less than convinced this is some crackpot theory however.

Superficially both versions of Paul have the same (or very similar) distinctly arched eyebrows. But when you compare their noses, the 'original' Paul's is thicker than the hooked, thin-nosed Paul McCartney you see today, although there is every possibility that this was down to cosmetic surgery or some such.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHT4fFLk1k0

It's tantalizing but not enough to convince me yet, especially when I study really HARD the facial features (lips, nose, eyes, ears, chin etc) of pre- and post-1966 McCartney.

[42]

I recently had the extreme pleasure of being in the fourth row at a McCartney concert. I spent three hours watching him play 31 songs without a break. His voice was excellent and his playing was rock solid. I'm a guitarist and was closely watching his chord progressions.

My only comment to add to this thread is that regardless of who i was watching, it was the best concert i have ever seen.

[norman]

The Tavistock Institute may be behind this theory.

I don't regard the 'Memoirs of Billy Shears' as any kind of evidence. After decades of "Paul is Dead" talk, a half decent writer could come up with all that stuff.

The only really curious thing, for me, is the Heather Mills statement.

Mike Williams, who does the Sage of Quay radio show, has presented a lot of 'Flat Earth' people too. His own credibility has got a long way to go yet.

Michael Jackson bought the Northern Songs publishing company. I wonder how much confidential info came with that deal?

I'm undecided about what to think.

[Frenchy]

edit :-
''' If your right handed just try and play an instrument back to front Paul is left handed.... Chris

Greetings GreyBeard and all !

I read a long time ago, that 'Paul', at first had difficulty playing the Guitar efficiently, and had then seen Left-hander player, so he tried that, and his Guitar playing really improved.

I don't know where this fits in the overall picture, just offering it !

[avid]

Further to video “Yes, Paul is still dead”, referring to ‘Historical Fiction’ book ‘Memoirs of Billy Shears’, after listening about the ‘layers’of information within the book:

Layer one = just words info
Layer two = emboldened text spelling out sentences throughout horizontally
Layer three = vertical information, over 666 pages doesn’t seem to be possible. However, as a typographer, this is simplistic but tedious. Almost no word editing required.

Text set in columns can be ranged left, right, or ‘justified’ - ie ‘set to fit’. To ‘fine-tune’ vertical information just needs a wee bit of kerning - this is very very tiny adjustments on letter-spacing, usually to offset justification ‘stretching’.

This would easily enable vertical messaging with minor editing, over 666 pages a bit boring, but easily possible.

My take on the logicality of the layered structure of the book.

More info on encoding - https://steemit.com/bookreviews/@ravenwolf/book-review-the-memoirs-of-billy-shears-thomas-e-uharriet-encoder

“The third layer of coded material is found by taking the first letter of every other line throughout the book to spell out words and sentences forming a secret text known as the acrostic code”.

[najara12000]

Tina Foster's book is now available.
Plastic Macca: The Secret Death and Replacement of Beatle Paul McCartney Paperback – January 24, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5x-ynwHxM&feature=youtu.be

Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1794563849

510 pages of over a decade's research. Tina is a lawyer.

[greybeard]

Whatever---- the current PM is very talented.
Chris

[Bill Ryan]

Another most interesting interview: :thumbsup:

Mark Devlin with Mike Williams - Paul Is Dead - The Memoirs of Billy Shears (Nov 2016)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAwFPsFUp4M[/url]

[Did You See Them]

Being born and bred in Liverpool and knowing quiet a few people who knew them back in the day - to the present, I don't feel there is much to the story to be honest - they all laugh at the story as it being just that - a story.
But you never know ?

[Bill Ryan]

Being born and bred in Liverpool and knowing quiet a few people who knew them back in the day - to the present, I don't feel there is much to the story to be honest - they all laugh at the story as it being just that - a story.
But you never know ?
I laughed at it myself at first; it seemed just way too crazy.

But then I started looking at photos, and listening carefully to some very smart people who took this all seriously and had done a lot of research. Now, I really do think this is plausible.

[Did You See Them]

Being born and bred in Liverpool and knowing quiet a few people who knew them back in the day - to the present, I don't feel there is much to the story to be honest - they all laugh at the story as it being just that - a story.
But you never know ?
I laughed at it myself at first; it seemed just way too crazy.

But then I started looking at photos, and listening carefully to some very smart people who took this all seriously and had done a lot of research. Now, I really do think this is plausible.

Plausible - Yes, Likely - No.

I used to drink in a proper old spit n sawdust pub off Princess Avenue Toxteth with Charlie Lennon. He liked his Newcastle Brown and pickled tripe and eggs.
I remember this being a topic of conversation one night when Bob Wooler was there. He laughed it off and Charlie in his typical dismissive way got quiet angry that it was still doing the rounds - that was in the early 80's.
They weren't the kind of people to be in on or take part in something like this and I doubt John would have kept that to himself ( he had a strong relationship with Charlie )
I just can't see it but I do admit Bill that there is always a possibility that its true.

[Did You See Them]

Just to interject a touch of humour, for those of you not aware here are ..

"The Ruttles"

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[greybeard]

I really cant see it.
This was a time when there wer no tthat many top groups and The Beatles photos adorned every young females bedroom wall.
Our band was a local hero thing and everywhere I went in the street I was recognized and I wasn't on any poster.
Just too many people grew up with Paul saw the Beatles perform regularly.
Photos back then were not the best quality--faces change naturally --and bands playing unsociable hours and unhealthy living takes a toll.
If there was an accident and Paul died the papers would have caught on to it and frankly the Beatles would have become even more iconic--popular.
Singer song writers of the Beatles quality only come a few times in a life time.
I really think Paul is alive and well --the original one that is.
Chris

[greybeard]

Cant help but think that stories like this bring conspiracy forums into disrepute.
Chris

[AriG]

Cant help but think that stories like this bring conspiracy forums into disrepute.
Chris

Ha! Not really. I think that more disrepute is gained by allowing lunatics like Corey Goode and that unhinged guy from Minneapolis forum access. This discussion imho, is a legitimate point to ponder.