Let us get our hands dirty! It is time friends!

[skw11]

This will be my first post on the forums and I thank you all for this wonderful community.
I do wish you to understand I am tired of (as I am sure most of you are) the social structure we now have. This is my first attempt to reach out with intent and help to create a change worthy of effort.


I would like to propose an idea. Instead of talking about and discussing what we
would like to change, lets form small groups and re-learn the way to plant and grow
again. This may be important as what seeds are still around are so very precious.

This is an idea for a community farm that provides food for itself and helps to promote the knowledge of planting and growing for survival. Turn the TVs and computers OFF!!! Getting back in touch with the earth is FREE. Sad how the natives were doing this before us and now we have to re-learn to whole process.


What if a small community could grow and provide for its needs and strive for
sustainability. What if the crops provided could help to offset the cost of a family's
(in the community of course, for we are still thinking small) financial situation 30
percent? This is just a random number, but it could be more! By providing
vegetables and fruits and helping each other to understand that less can be more. Do we really need microwaves and Hot Pockets in the future?? I see no problem with the work that would need to be done, as I am sure people would be more than
willing to volunteer if they knew that the farm was providing for them at no charge.
And this is a key point also.


What about the cost? The sun is free. I will be looking into the land issue, but if there are any ideas concerning this, I would like to hear them. My thoughts tell me that fences can come down and people can give (share) unused portions of their land to help in the effort. Will the government stand in the way of this community effort to share? As more people come together, I think towns will be inclined to let residents come together to share and build a stronger community through shared effort.

Water is an area of concern and I will be looking into that as soon as I can contact my local community.


If one person can give freely, then there is NO cost for anyone around him. And if
everyone around him gave freely, there is NO cost to anyone around them. WE
MUST STRIVE TO GET AWAY FROM FINANCIAL GAIN. WE MUST STRIVE TO GET
AWAY FROM THIS MODERN FORM OF SLAVERY.


We need to get our hands dirty! This is such a wonderful planet and provider. She
truly has all our answers and she truly understands all our feelings.
We need to look to smaller groups that operate efficiently. Communication can be had without computers and cell phones, as we all know.


Why do we worry about esoteric truths when we cannot even plant a tree (which provides us with air to breath!). Our future can be whatever we want it to be, but the idea of continuing growth is
ridiculous. After a great expansion of any kind there is an inherent withdrawal and
reflection. We need this withdrawal NOW. I feel this is somehow like a universe that
continually creates and breaks it's-self (the reflection) down. I have a memory of this process somewhere deep within. The process of building up and breaking down ALL that is. Inhaling and exhaling. It was and is a process of joy to understand that our being is so inviolate that we can literally break our being down to it's smallest part and within this is the knowledge of every-thing. This is our truth. We can see it everywhere around us. Remember so that you CAN forget it all. Forget so you CAN remember. Then quietly start over from no-thing.


I think the most powerful action we can take now is to quietly walk away from what we have come to know. The process of starting over is not that scary when you
know you can turn to the earth and start over again. From nothing.

[KosmicKat]

What I have to offer, I offer freely

[Peace of Mind]

Lately i've been looking for the reset button because just about everything presented as truth these days you can poke holes in. The truth was never meant to be a pin cushin, truth is as solid as the human body, it's easy to detect once it's in your presence because you are part of truth... real recognizes real.

Peace

[777]

sk11.......THAT is quite a first post. I'll be following this thread with great interest. I'm at your service.

[seko]

nice talk and welcome. I talk about this at work and they agree with me, but no one is seem to be doing something about it. I have in my garden basil, chilies and tomatoes, but very small tomatoes, not even cherry hahaha. Hopefully they will grow more or I am not watering them enough.....I'm still learning.

[Nasu]

I have some land, about 1500 acres, in between the Zuni and Hopi, in the four corner area of AZ, 5k ft elevation, water at only fifty ft under the surface, a couple of wells, sat on one of the last untouched aquifers in the US. I have helped set of a foundation to manage the land and some other projects. My intent was to have it as an alternative research area / summer eco camp. Am very interested in your ideas, would love to help in any way I can. The future is us, we must plant the seed though... N

[nomadguy]

GREAT POST ~ I feel this needs a jump start or launch forward.
Hey NASU do you have any pics of this land, or a map?
I am interested to have a look at that area. i amhave been discussing this with my group at thetruthdenied.
We are looking for a hectare or so for this, the project starts with 5 acres then if expands to 20 then to 40.

Beyond that I would need a whole load of willing people to train to manage any further expanse.

Feel free to email me if you want to discuss, we are VERY Serious. webmaster@thetruthdenied.com

I am doing this on the small scale where I am now SEE HERE ---> http://renderosity.com/mod/gallery/browse.php?user_id=46850

Cheers
C...

[Autumn]

http://www.savenaturalhealth.eu/ this would be an important step towards being able to do just a part of your post. I'll return later as I can see you and I have a lot in common. But this link is one of my goals right now - no one is to tell me I can't eat my unwanted garden groth because it can heal me.

[butcherman]

thank you for your brilliant post if i can be of service pm me ill be their { new start new challenges }

Butcherman

[blufire]

Skw11 what I’m about to say will sound extremely negative and “bubble busting” but this comes from actual personal exasperating experience.

I tried exactly what you are saying. I offered 3 acres of my prime gardening land, seeds, equipment and my years of growing experience for a community garden for sharing, learning and establishing a new way of living together without the families or individuals having to move.

It was a complete and utter disaster.

Organic gardening and this type of organized community sharing has been romanticized. Everyone loves this idea of growing, sharing, living and loving . . . but this is not reality.

We love the idea and desperately want this way of life but it cannot work in the current way we think and live. In our programmed and brainwashed way of illusionary living.

Everyone was gung ho until the hard work started. Gardening on this level is hard, hot, dirty, back breaking work. You get blisters and calluses, insect bites and stings. If you don’t love and thrive on this kind of work and living you will hate it.

The sniping and resentment sets in quickly. I had individuals complaining to me constantly. . . “Why should he get an equal share when he didn’t do as much work”. “I had to haul compost last week how about so and so do it this week” There was constant revising of who would work the garden and when. As the season progressed and it became hotter fewer people would show up at scheduled times and about half of the peopls eventually didn’t show up at all.

Worse yet are the passive aggressive individuals who undermined unity.

Both my tiller and $20,000 tractor were damaged . . . and only one person out of the 20 families and individuals offered to help. My tools were broken or lost . . . very few had their own. I asked only for help with the water used for the garden and got complaints.

My stress level shot through the roof because I felt responsible for these people. My income producing work suffered greatly during this time because of the hours I put in trying to organize and keep the endeavor going. There were a couple very well meaning individuals who tried to help my load, but I was the one here on the farm and they had 8 to 5 jobs they had to work. I estimated this project cost me around $4500.

Your last paragraph struck me to the core because this is exactly what I’m doing now.

You said:
I think the most powerful action we can take now is to quietly walk away from what we have come to know. The process of starting over
is not that scary when you know you can turn to the earth and start over again. From nothing.

I started a thread a couple of weeks ago about my decision to step out of the rat race (illusion) and living a life of reality. This decision was many years in the making and I believe very strongly that there are many on the verge.

I know I am being called to be in a place physically and spiritually where I can be still . . . . shed all the noise and stupidity and listen and wait.
Any decisions made from the current “state of being” will only result in situations and living from that state of lies and illusion. To be able to grow and sustain my life based in truth and reality I first have to step into that “state of being”.

[Nyce555]

I would love to start a comminity farm!!! I have thought of writting a lettter to my homeowners association to see if there is a plot of land that could be designated as a community farm since I live in a suburb of DC and I don't have enough land for one :(

[ghostrider]

now your talking, we do it, we care for it, we share it, we organize it, get the picture WE make it happen... I'm in.

[Second Son]

A great idea!

I am SURE, however, that the uber-technological age in which we find ourselves right now is NOT an accident. To attempt to get teenagers outside to work in a garden is like trying to herd cats. With facebook, twitter, myspace, instant messaging, texting, cell phones, PC's, video games, etc., where would they ever find the time???

I am trying to do exactly what you are writing about, though. I would loooove to find a like-minded individual in my area who would like to be a part of something bigger than themself. Someone who wants to "get their hands dirty" as you say. I think it will be VERY important in the future to start homesteading in tight-knit groups. I think too that these groups need to be cognizant of what is happening both politically and spiritually, because intent and substance will be as important to get us through these troubled times as location and ablity.

[skw11]

I am in Central Florida. Please PM me if you are close. It is good to see that some are ready for some action. I would love to start organizing a group of local people.

Thank you Blufire! I appreciate your experience and would love to know more if possible. It is great to know you have tried and been through what many of us have only idealized thus far. I do not consider your attempt a failure!

[Carmen]

My family has a community garden and we all pitch in to do the work. It's fun when everyone works together. We also have our own smaller gardens but get together to work the bigger one. I think when one individual or one family does something like this it inspires others to do the same when they see it working well Great thread.

[blufire]

Skw11 I laughed so hard with your reply, that my effort was not a failure that I about peed my pants. It was an epic failure!!!

I tell you what though I’m willing to give it another shot. The first group of “would be community gardeners” was not so much of a like mind. Perhaps the people reading Project Avalon would be different??

My farm in Kansas is within a radius of 50 miles of Kansas City. In fact anyone from the KC metro area probably has a pretty good idea from my postings who I am.

The following are the basics I can offer and the rest of the details can be fleshed out.
2 organic acres of irrigated land
35 organic acres high quality row crop farmland
4 portable high tunnels
Two livestock barns and an equipment barn
I have three goats and 1dairy cow left
75 chickens
4 barn cats and maybe a couple of dogs

Either post here on this thread if you are interested or on my profile page. Do not send me those private messaging things I simply don’t have the time to chat.

Also I would like to ask the mods if it would be possible to post an email address here or on my profile page for the Guests that read PA. I will set one up solely for this purpose if there is enough interest.

I have probably lost what is left of my pea pickn’ brain . . . . . . . . . .

[ThePythonicCow]

Also I would like to ask the mods if it would be possible to post an email address here or on my profile page for the Guests that read PA.
Guests cannot view your profile, so posting an email address there would not help them.

You can post an email address in a post on a thread such as this, and the whole world can see it.

However ... such seldom is done, usually for one of two reasons:

Either the person really does not want to deal with the high volumes of spam (and attempts to spread computer viruses and what not) that can result from a publicly visible email address, or
the person is selling something or otherwise seeking personal gain ... which is against the guidelines of this forum.

More commonly, some members choose to allow other members to send them email, to their email address on record with the forum. You can do this by going to Settings -> General Settings, and enabling "Receive Email from Other Members".

This will allow other members to send you email, via the "Send Email" link that will show up on your User Profile page.

[blufire]

Thanks Paul. :kiss:

The last thing I need is an email gone wild sort of thing.
and I don't have anything to sell . . . well I have too many chickens :p

I'll see what kind of response there is and go from there.

[Tane Mahuta]

This will be my first post on the forums and I thank you all for this wonderful community.
I do wish you to understand I am tired of (as I am sure most of you are) the social structure we now have. This is my first attempt to reach out with intent and help to create a change worthy of effort.


Hi skw11, welcome to Avalonia!

Awesome first post! Always good to see new members coming in from the wild. You my friend are on the right path. TM is at your service.

nuff said:cool:

[blufire]

skw11 . . . . . I am curious . . . . have you gotten any pm's or response on your very excellent first post . . . . other than the current postings, of course.




This will be my first post on the forums and I thank you all for this wonderful community.
I do wish you to understand I am tired of (as I am sure most of you are) the social structure we now have. This is my first attempt to reach out with intent and help to create a change worthy of effort.


I would like to propose an idea. Instead of talking about and discussing what we
would like to change, lets form small groups and re-learn the way to plant and grow
again. This may be important as what seeds are still around are so very precious.

This is an idea for a community farm that provides food for itself and helps to promote the knowledge of planting and growing for survival. Turn the TVs and computers OFF!!! Getting back in touch with the earth is FREE. Sad how the natives were doing this before us and now we have to re-learn to whole process.


What if a small community could grow and provide for its needs and strive for
sustainability. What if the crops provided could help to offset the cost of a family's
(in the community of course, for we are still thinking small) financial situation 30
percent? This is just a random number, but it could be more! By providing
vegetables and fruits and helping each other to understand that less can be more. Do we really need microwaves and Hot Pockets in the future?? I see no problem with the work that would need to be done, as I am sure people would be more than
willing to volunteer if they knew that the farm was providing for them at no charge.
And this is a key point also.


What about the cost? The sun is free. I will be looking into the land issue, but if there are any ideas concerning this, I would like to hear them. My thoughts tell me that fences can come down and people can give (share) unused portions of their land to help in the effort. Will the government stand in the way of this community effort to share? As more people come together, I think towns will be inclined to let residents come together to share and build a stronger community through shared effort.

Water is an area of concern and I will be looking into that as soon as I can contact my local community.


If one person can give freely, then there is NO cost for anyone around him. And if
everyone around him gave freely, there is NO cost to anyone around them. WE
MUST STRIVE TO GET AWAY FROM FINANCIAL GAIN. WE MUST STRIVE TO GET
AWAY FROM THIS MODERN FORM OF SLAVERY.


We need to get our hands dirty! This is such a wonderful planet and provider. She
truly has all our answers and she truly understands all our feelings.
We need to look to smaller groups that operate efficiently. Communication can be had without computers and cell phones, as we all know.


Why do we worry about esoteric truths when we cannot even plant a tree (which provides us with air to breath!). Our future can be whatever we want it to be, but the idea of continuing growth is
ridiculous. After a great expansion of any kind there is an inherent withdrawal and
reflection. We need this withdrawal NOW. I feel this is somehow like a universe that
continually creates and breaks it's-self (the reflection) down. I have a memory of this process somewhere deep within. The process of building up and breaking down ALL that is. Inhaling and exhaling. It was and is a process of joy to understand that our being is so inviolate that we can literally break our being down to it's smallest part and within this is the knowledge of every-thing. This is our truth. We can see it everywhere around us. Remember so that you CAN forget it all. Forget so you CAN remember. Then quietly start over from no-thing.


I think the most powerful action we can take now is to quietly walk away from what we have come to know. The process of starting over is not that scary when you
know you can turn to the earth and start over again. From nothing.

[skw11]

Nothing sent my way thus far blufire. I have no expectations. i will tell you though, the energy is blistering inside of me. Backbreaking work does not scare me. i welcome it and i welcome death, I have known it so many times before! The loss of self importance has done wonders for my internal being. We all possess a vigorous nature that stands to serve us when it is called upon. Those that are not ready and those that have not heard the call are beautiful all the same. Their hearts beat the same rhythm as the rest of us. We are truly One.

Reading your words, I do think I was thinking smaller at first. I live close to the Venus Project and will be making a pilgrimage there next weekend to see what i can learn and how I can help! It is a very exciting time. The energy available to us all is AMAZING.

I will say that i feel a truth inside myself that has NO boundaries. When everything is ready to be exposed we stand to be all we really are. Vulnerability is a strength.

[9eagle9]

I have discussed this before on the forum but I have had the same experience at 'attempting' to organize and enthuse people to communitize. I left my vent back there and its essentially the same as yours Blufire.

And I won't reiterate the responses I had, you mentioned them yourself.

Essentially the reponse was "if you do all the work , we'll show up"." If we show up before that we'll cause as much drama as possible. ...."lol.

The word community seems to be lost.

So I basically focus my resources (which are considerable) on creating my own solo community. I'd sure love a hand but not at that cost. I have recently found this in ALL relationships. "When you're done working your ya ya off, make yourself available to entertain my ego for a while"

(I'm not an entertainer...lol)

the important thing is the nature connect, and enjoying the wildness around me. My spiritual experiences are pretty much taking long wild rides in the woods with my little psycho companion, Indy.

I'm joined every week by a few more people. None of them are particularly spiritual as in the context we speak of , and none are into alternative media but I find a loose community forming between us based on a shared interest we are all adept at, support, organization everyone pitching in. They are both from the city so when when we are out, they learn the local wild life and flora that is part of my natural environment so we are all sharing something. So we shall see. We just end up falling in together every weekend. I've known these people TWO weeks...lol, and we're forming a sort of alliance that no amount of organization could manage before. We've made goals and plans that we've already set in motion with no intention on our part.

Maybe good communities aren't organized maybe they just fall together based on mutual passion. If the people we are trying organize with aren't passion about it, having fun with it, well...its likely doomed before its begun. I can't make people share my vision, I can make them see the necessity of it, but I can't make them have that heart willingness to bring it to life.



Skw11 what I’m about to say will sound extremely negative and “bubble busting” but this comes from actual personal exasperating experience.

I tried exactly what you are saying. I offered 3 acres of my prime gardening land, seeds, equipment and my years of growing experience for a community garden for sharing, learning and establishing a new way of living together without the families or individuals having to move.

It was a complete and utter disaster.

Organic gardening and this type of organized community sharing has been romanticized. Everyone loves this idea of growing, sharing, living and loving . . . but this is not reality.

We love the idea and desperately want this way of life but it cannot work in the current way we think and live. In our programmed and brainwashed way of illusionary living.

Everyone was gung ho until the hard work started. Gardening on this level is hard, hot, dirty, back breaking work. You get blisters and calluses, insect bites and stings. If you don’t love and thrive on this kind of work and living you will hate it.

The sniping and resentment sets in quickly. I had individuals complaining to me constantly. . . “Why should he get an equal share when he didn’t do as much work”. “I had to haul compost last week how about so and so do it this week” There was constant revising of who would work the garden and when. As the season progressed and it became hotter fewer people would show up at scheduled times and about half of the peopls eventually didn’t show up at all.

Worse yet are the passive aggressive individuals who undermined unity.

Both my tiller and $20,000 tractor were damaged . . . and only one person out of the 20 families and individuals offered to help. My tools were broken or lost . . . very few had their own. I asked only for help with the water used for the garden and got complaints.

My stress level shot through the roof because I felt responsible for these people. My income producing work suffered greatly during this time because of the hours I put in trying to organize and keep the endeavor going. There were a couple very well meaning individuals who tried to help my load, but I was the one here on the farm and they had 8 to 5 jobs they had to work. I estimated this project cost me around $4500.

Your last paragraph struck me to the core because this is exactly what I’m doing now.

You said:
I think the most powerful action we can take now is to quietly walk away from what we have come to know. The process of starting over
is not that scary when you know you can turn to the earth and start over again. From nothing.

I started a thread a couple of weeks ago about my decision to step out of the rat race (illusion) and living a life of reality. This decision was many years in the making and I believe very strongly that there are many on the verge.

I know I am being called to be in a place physically and spiritually where I can be still . . . . shed all the noise and stupidity and listen and wait.
Any decisions made from the current “state of being” will only result in situations and living from that state of lies and illusion. To be able to grow and sustain my life based in truth and reality I first have to step into that “state of being”.

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I have some land, about 1500 acres, in between the Zuni and Hopi, in the four corner area of AZ, 5k ft elevation, water at only fifty ft under the surface, a couple of wells, sat on one of the last untouched aquifers in the US. I have helped set of a foundation to manage the land and some other projects. My intent was to have it as an alternative research area / summer eco camp. Am very interested in your ideas, would love to help in any way I can. The future is us, we must plant the seed though... N

I'm interested in seeing photos of your endeavor too.

[TimelessDimensions]

..and sing in a forest sometime ;)

[9eagle9]

You don't want me singing in the forest. Plants wilt and birds fall dead from the trees.

[nomadguy]

hee hee Eagle - maybe your singing will make the mushrooms grow instead, ~where one thing perishes another flourishes~ That is one of the wonders of nature.
I think that if we can go outside the normal thinking we humans can have all the keys to all the doors. After all we can indeed survive off of good dirt.

[9eagle9]

I have no where approaching 75 chickens but I spent the afternoon clearing out the coop and found my eight ladies produced three commercial wheel barrow sized loads of compost since November. Not counting what is under my finger nails right now. They each produce about 300 eggs a year. I dehydrate what i can't use. So even on a that small scale you get a satisfying return . I think getting some hens is a good way to dip one's toes into the water. Easy to keep, and feed even if fed organically. And the horror stories of salmonella, e coli and things of that nature are for the big commercial agro companies.

[Davidallany]

..and sing in a forest sometime

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