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skw11
8th May 2011, 02:07
I would like to bring up something that I have been contemplating for some time. Well, at least as long as I have been exposed to the Charles material and further back, even though I realize now that it was under the rug, so to say. And i do feel that it is important to note that, upon seeing the video on youtube, I was affected on a deep energetic level. The reason for this is one that I am not completely sure of. Although, after the discussions I have read on this forum and a thourough examination of the Q and A, I do have a greater understanding as to WHY I would be affected by this material.

Let us say, for the sake of argument, that the blood lines who are "in control" of the overall population are making decisions based on their desire for control or power. This is not in accordance with any higher level of thinking that would make sense. At least from my point of view. Or lets say they want to enslave us all and take the earth into space as a spaceship and annhiliate other planets as they come along (a stretch I know, but who knows really). Why all the long and winding road to the end game? Seriously, if they were that advanced, we would have been test tubed long ago and cloned into the voyage of space.

Charles says they are in possesion of "extraordinary knowledge". Fine, so be it. Can they not see that we would all get a lot further if they were willing to work with a population as large as the earths and unite in a single goal? Why take the chance that, in the process of dumbing us all down for ultimate slavery, that large numbers of us could rise up against them and kill them all? 33 bloodlines against how many bloodlines in the whole world, with them in (psuedo) control of a currency that only exists as long as WE see fit?? There is not even a small chance they would survive if we all decided to go after them. Or if the majority of us decided to just quite the whole thing and start over. Even if they had the underground bunkers that they may have been building for ages, I think they would stand little chance. Unless they knew of a super calamity that was coming and were heading to the bunker just in time for the great flood. Which leads me to my next point.

The only way the current course of events (theories) makes sense is that:

1. They are making it all up as we go and they just so happened to be in the right place at the right time (with slightly-to-great advanced knowledge) to consistently manipulate the majority and only give them (us) enough knowledge to make it to the next day, week, year, whatever. Unlikely... but if so congrats!! Nice job

2. The scary one... They are so far advanced from the rest of us that:
-They are able to die and continue awareness through lives. And will never share this knowledge with us untill we can figure it out for oursleves.
-They are aware of things that would make the rest of us seem like worms in comparison.
-They are in league with (or possibly controlled by) beings that are so far advanced from the rest of us that they are able to dole out our reality like it was being fed to a baby.
-They were put in the place of power and given the knowledge (by advanced beings) to control and guide the human race throught the aeons or the era we currently have been travelling through.

Please let me know if I have left any ideas out! i am sure I have.

To me, someone who actively attempts to see and behold the essence of all things, both scenarios are frightening, while the first one will ultimatley end with the lynching of all those who are now in power. A most barbaric end for sure, but a fitting end for those who have fleeced (albeit, they have really taken nothing!! which is the ultimate irony when we do actually decide to end it. we will all have a mighty laugh to remember) the majority of society by force/coersion.

I ask sincerely...... Bill, Charles and your master, or anyone who knows. WHY ALL THE SECRECY IF YOU ARE HERE TO HELP US?? What are we waiting for? If we are not ready, then why do you not help us to get along to where we need to be? (( Like the alien technology that supposedly helped the NAZIs!? really!? what the hell would they have done that for if they were so advanced? surely THEY could have seen and felt the intentions and directions of THAT group )) Letting us take our time and figure it out is essentially saying we have eternity to blunder into the answer.

I admit my ignorance in this, I know. I am truly confused right now. But my intentions, while transparent at best, are felt. I do know myself as fool and master. Please respect my place as the Beggar for this moment. There are so many conflicting messages out there: By letting another shrouded guide into the midst, this will only create more confusion.

norman
8th May 2011, 02:37
You're well read and lingering view of the Charles material is interstingly similar to my own. I've been quite disturbed by the dynamics it threw up here and have yet to reach such a calm and reasonable position as yours.

I'm currently still in the mode of distrust of all that has been said. I'm hung up on the the concept ( that Charles himself introduced ) of deception and division.

The latest round of mega deception radiating from the Whitehouse hasn't helped me any either.

I see an integrity gap between the picture I'm seeing and the narative I'm supposed to believe.

I hate to do this to you're ernest post, but, how do we know any of it is for real?

skw11
8th May 2011, 02:42
Thank you norman, THIS IS EXACTLY what the subtle/not-so-subtle intention of my post means. You have helped me to point it out! I have your integrity for sure.

Ria
8th May 2011, 02:54
It dose all seem to be a bit iffy. What I consider to be most enlightening, fore most, is their treatment of Charles, and then their use of him.

Hughe
8th May 2011, 03:58
I did not find any new information from the Charles material.
The 33s are slaves for other entities. That's why they've done monstrous actions against fellow humans. This is what I can say.

In addition, any humans can go beyond the physical limitation by expanding one's consciousness. There are two ways of achieving immortality: extending physical body's longevity longer, gaining the power of retaining memories between life and death. What will you choose?

Seeing own past lives mean you carry on the knowledge and experiences to present life. When you remember present life of memories after life, you are extending your existence on fully conscious level. You will have different body and other place. A good analogy is your are a drive who chooses different cars. Whenever car breaks down, the driver simply picks up brand new car or used one and drive it for your needs.

One at a time the soul expands own consciousness and move on to bigger playground. It would be fantastic we can all pull together and create different world where every one live free.

jackovesk
8th May 2011, 04:32
I liken Charles/Atticus to this little Fella the 'Wombat'!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=645190002448&id=de5fbdabb6143e2c31aa3bb5e2215835&url=http%3a%2f%2fc4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2fimages02%2f66%2fm_e9b7a947d615471b8443df256cc269c3.gif

Eats, Roots and Leaves!

Don't get me wrong I like Wombats, but the jury is still out on the Charles/Atticus material!

His Initial Mission was to break-up & divide and to a certain extent he was successful...we lost many good long-term members as a result of his presence.

Mad Hatter
8th May 2011, 04:51
Mad Hatter dons the anarchist hat...

Proof the ultimate conundrum. The following may not go down well in certain quarters put I'm gunna put it out there anyways... :p

We have team love and light telling us we are all one and will eventually all rejoin source no matter what...
We have team channel in contact with the space brothers who are apparently helping as best they can...
We have all powerfull, all seeing, all knowing God(s) aplenty...
We have a collection of divine beings, ascended masters etc. with vast knowledge and skills....
We have team 33 bloodlines and all that they control, team Charles if you will...
We have team Military with HAARP, mind control, spy satelites, and who knows what else...
We have team remote view and all that that entails....
We have team government spying on citizens left, right and centre....
We have team illuminati and their control structures/systems....
We have team Vatican and their collective abilities...
We have team Fulford and the ninjas...
Etc. etc. etc. all the way down to neighborhood watch FFS!!

Now the dark side of me, (blacker than black on a bad day), pondered the problem a long time ago of how to get one/any/all of these to step forward and expose themselves...

Solution: Someone would simply need to build Nikola Tesla's mechanical oscillator, which as he stated after testing could split the planet in half as easily as splitting an apple, park it on a rock somewhere turn it on, sit back and wait for any or all of the above to come and turn it off (or prevent it being started).

I won't be that someone since fortunately the universe has blessed me with offspring, probably for just such thinking, but anyone willing/dumb enough to try better remember curiosity definitely killed the cat!!

If others with more than the two neurons I have available to rub together can propose a solution better than the problem I'm really keen to hear(read) it.

cheers

dukes4monny
8th May 2011, 05:27
Mad Hatter dons the anarchist hat...

Proof the ultimate conundrum. The following may not go down well in certain quarters put I'm gunna put it out there anyways... :p



Lol.....I think that you have successfully covered about four quarters there.....would you like to borrow my hard hat and flak jacket? ;)

butcherman
8th May 2011, 08:43
a question of integrity when u wrote this were you angry that you had been left out of the party, to put a post out like this only adds to the confusion, please wait and see BUTCHERMAN
I liken Charles/Atticus to this little Fella the 'Wombat'!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=645190002448&id=de5fbdabb6143e2c31aa3bb5e2215835&url=http%3a%2f%2fc4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2fimages02%2f66%2fm_e9b7a947d615471b8443df256cc269c3.gif

Eats, Roots and Leaves!

Don't get me wrong I like Wombats, but the jury is still out on the Charles/Atticus material!

His Initial Mission was to break-up & divide and to a certain extent he was successful...we lost many good long-term members as a result of his presence.

christian
8th May 2011, 08:56
we lost many good long-term members as a result of his [Charles'] presence.

And lots of new members registered.

mondaze
8th May 2011, 09:34
i think after years of searching for reason, the answers are off-world... ie we dont have the whole picture. if this is the agenda as we see it... the universe is madder than the mad hatter's tea party!

TimelessDimensions
8th May 2011, 13:49
Today's "royal" bloodline has lost much of it's wisdom and power.

Just look at Kate Middleton, I wouldn't let my neighbour's dog marry her.

jackovesk
8th May 2011, 13:54
a question of integrity when u wrote this were you angry that you had been left out of the party, to put a post out like this only adds to the confusion, please wait and see BUTCHERMAN

Ok Butcherman,

We'll wait and see...

ulli
8th May 2011, 14:27
I liken Charles/Atticus to this little Fella the 'Wombat'!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=645190002448&id=de5fbdabb6143e2c31aa3bb5e2215835&url=http%3a%2f%2fc4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2fimages02%2f66%2fm_e9b7a947d615471b8443df256cc269c3.gif

Eats, Roots and Leaves!

Don't get me wrong I like Wombats, but the jury is still out on the Charles/Atticus material!

His Initial Mission was to break-up & divide and to a certain extent he was successful...we lost many good long-term members as a result of his presence.


What about the many members who joined because of him and who are still here?
And making valuable contributions....

jackovesk
8th May 2011, 15:46
I liken Charles/Atticus to this little Fella the 'Wombat'!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=645190002448&id=de5fbdabb6143e2c31aa3bb5e2215835&url=http%3a%2f%2fc4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2fimages02%2f66%2fm_e9b7a947d615471b8443df256cc269c3.gif

Eats, Roots and Leaves!

Don't get me wrong I like Wombats, but the jury is still out on the Charles/Atticus material!

His Initial Mission was to break-up & divide and to a certain extent he was successful...we lost many good long-term members as a result of his presence.


What about the many members who joined because of him and who are still here?
And making valuable contributions....

I should have ended the last paragraph with the sentence...

"Having said that, we did gain and welcome lots of new members whose contributions are greatly valued..."

But it was still sad to see some old friends go...

Heather2017
8th May 2011, 20:58
...And i do feel that it is important to note that, upon seeing the video on youtube, I was affected on a deep energetic level...

I ask sincerely...... Bill, Charles and your master, or anyone who knows. WHY ALL THE SECRECY IF YOU ARE HERE TO HELP US?? What are we waiting for? If we are not ready, then why do you not help us to get along to where we need to be?


Hi skw11. I was also affected on a deep energetic level by the Charles video and his presence on this forum, and we're not the only ones. There were powerful forces working through/with him that felt separate from his 3d personality and words.

Among other things, Charles has been a catalyst. He seemed to have a polarizing effect. It is interesting to consider whether he (or those working through/with him) intentionally promoted division, discord and separation. On the other hand, we are all responsible for our own choices and behavior.

I'm still hopeful some damaged relationships will be healed even if each person is now on a different path. Regardless of whether the people who have hurt us apologize, we can have the courage to forgive them and to apologize for the hurt we've caused. We can forgive ourselves for acting out of pain, fear and anger.

I do think we need to be brave enough as a community to acknowledge that while certain members have behaved disrespectfully, the founder and moderators of Avalon are also human beings capable of acting with less than perfect understanding. (Please note that I'm very grateful to Bill for providing this forum and to the moderators for the work they do.)

As to the second part of your quote, an amazing amount of help and information has become available over the past few years. It's up to us to find, study, discern what resonates and figure out how to work with it. Each of us is on a unique path towards ascension. Others can provide guidance and companionship, but only we can walk our path.

Yes, there are negative forces that wish to stop our ascension and control us in other ways. Some days they bother me more than others. It helps to know that even they are part of Source and will return to Source eventually.

Love and respect,
Heather

ulli
9th May 2011, 14:30
Great post, Heather. You said it all.