View Full Version : Water the new Oil. (Private companies grabbing supply around the world).
http://www.newsweek.com/content/newsweek/2010/10/08/the-race-to-buy-up-the-world-s-water/_jcr_content/body/inlineimage.img.jpg/1286548600698.jpg
The New Oil
Should private companies control our most precious natural resource?
Losing Our Lakes: Precious Resources at Risk
Sitka, Alaska, is home to one of the world’s most spectacular lakes. Nestled into a U-shaped valley of dense forests and majestic peaks, and fed by snowpack and glaciers, the reservoir, named Blue Lake for its deep blue hues, holds trillions of gallons of water so pure it requires no treatment. The city’s tiny population—fewer than 10,000 people spread across 5,000 square miles—makes this an embarrassment of riches. Every year, as countries around the world struggle to meet the water needs of their citizens, 6.2 billion gallons of Sitka’s reserves go unused. That could soon change. In a few months, if all goes according to plan, 80 million gallons of Blue Lake water will be siphoned into the kind of tankers normally reserved for oil—and shipped to a bulk bottling facility near Mumbai. From there it will be dispersed among several drought-plagued cities throughout the Middle East. The project is the brainchild of two American companies. One, True Alaska Bottling, has purchased the rights to transfer 3 billion gallons of water a year from Sitka’s bountiful reserves. The other, S2C Global, is building the water-processing facility in India. If the companies succeed, they will have brought what Sitka hopes will be a $90 million industry to their city, not to mention a solution to one of the world’s most pressing climate conundrums. They will also have turned life’s most essential molecule into a global commodity.
And as demand outstrips supply, those commodities are set to appreciate precipitously. According to a 2009 report by the World Bank, private investment in the water industry is set to double in the next five years; the water-supply market alone will increase by 20 percent.
Nowhere is this truer than China. As the water table under Beijing plummets, wells dug around the city must reach ever-greater depths (nearly two thirds of a mile or more, according to a recent World Bank report) to hit fresh water.
Goldman Sachs estimates that global water consumption is doubling every 20 years, and the United Nations expects demand to outstrip supply by more than 30 percent come 2040.
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/10/08/the-race-to-buy-up-the-world-s-water.html
Water is going to be one of the key ways that population control is quietly exercised.
All over the planet access to water is becoming a major issue.
Ventura has a stab at it...:p
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Carnegie think tank, the dark side pretending it wants to help...:cool:
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TimelessDimensions
8th May 2011, 13:42
Fresh water is free, it falls out of the sky. We're paying for the additional chemicals like chlorine and fluoride.
I recommend buying a good quality water filter.
I got mine from eCosway.
:)
nomadguy
8th May 2011, 21:35
Or ditch the chemicals and filtration systems you have to BUY into.
Make them yourself,
"don't give a hungry man a fish, teach him how to fish"
>>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHilE1ukkjY
And for more info,
Tourmaline
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=Tourmaline%2C+%22water+purification%22&btnG=Search&as_sdt=0%2C29&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
Zeolite
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=qqW&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=zeolite,+%22water+purification%22&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=vs
Black Water Treatment
http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/water/blackwater.htm (http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/QandA/water/blackwater.htm)
Fresnel Lens Generates Electricity And Hot Water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64to7zXXsbE
And last but not least,
Implosive water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1ZqbdPjx4o
Learn ~ do ~ learn ~ do ~ learn ~ do
Lost Soul
9th May 2011, 00:56
George Green said it first. Water is the world's most valuable resource. Personally I think good air is #1, followed by water.
nomadguy
9th May 2011, 05:35
George Green said it first. Water is the world's most valuable resource. Personally I think good air is #1, followed by water.
that a good n solid point.
Really good information Nomadguy and seems at a very reasonable cost with total self-control.
cheers
K
Mad Hatter
9th May 2011, 12:13
Many moons ago (mid 80's) I was the Environmental officer for my states Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs. I remember putting countless hours of effort into reading and responding to the so called science based evidence dished up for public comment at the last possible minute, to justify the proposed wilderness areas and expansion of parks in general. Areas that had been logged, mined and grazed but still in a good enough condition to be classified as ‘pristine’ wilderness! (Sidebar- I believe the IMF are really fond of wilderness areas as colateral for loans)
But all that effort was quietly swept under the rug because our submissions were not presented to parliament into the early hours of the morning on the day prior to the Christmas break and thus dutifully ignored. The major point that was put across to the Green Zealots at the time was the fact that their proposed management regime would lead to more ferocious wildfire, due to a very relaxed approach to controlling fuel on the forest floor via cold weather backburning and poorly maintained / unmapped tracks would potentially put peoples lives in danger. End result... the state (Victoria) has been subjected multiple times to ferocious wildfires with the attendant loss of life both animal and human.
The kicker was that toward the end of this process I spotted a tiny advert in one of the major daily newspapers calling for interested members of the public to attend an invite only meeting concerning the furture management of water. I rang the number given but was bluntly told point blank that even though I was a member of the public my input / attendance would not be required. I thought WTF but did not persue it any further.
As it turns out this meeting was the start of the state gubmint rolling out a 'catchment' area management plan under some new authority which would be the final arbiter of any land use decisions within catchment areas... smooth move since everywhere is a part of a catchment.
The real lunancy is I have a mate who has quite a large dam on his farm and the authority turned up one day and handed him a bill for what they claim was their water in his dam. He promptly wrote out a bill for the equivalent amount and handed it to them saying this was his fee for storing their water on his property.
They stormed off at the time but now turn up on a regular basis and pump his dam dry.... go figure!!
cheers
Many moons ago (mid 80's) I was the Environmental officer for my states Association of Four Wheel Drive Clubs. I remember putting countless hours of effort into reading and responding to the so called science based evidence dished up for public comment at the last possible minute, to justify the proposed wilderness areas and expansion of parks in general. Areas that had been logged, mined and grazed but still in a good enough condition to be classified as ‘pristine’ wilderness! (Sidebar- I believe the IMF are really fond of wilderness areas as colateral for loans)
But all that effort was quietly swept under the rug because our submissions were not presented to parliament into the early hours of the morning on the day prior to the Christmas break and thus dutifully ignored. The major point that was put across to the Green Zealots at the time was the fact that their proposed management regime would lead to more ferocious wildfire, due to a very relaxed approach to controlling fuel on the forest floor via cold weather backburning and poorly maintained / unmapped tracks would potentially put peoples lives in danger. End result... the state (Victoria) has been subjected multiple times to ferocious wildfires with the attendant loss of life both animal and human.
The kicker was that toward the end of this process I spotted a tiny advert in one of the major daily newspapers calling for interested members of the public to attend an invite only meeting concerning the furture management of water. I rang the number given but was bluntly told point blank that even though I was a member of the public my input / attendance would not be required. I thought WTF but did not persue it any further.
As it turns out this meeting was the start of the state gubmint rolling out a 'catchment' area management plan under some new authority which would be the final arbiter of any land use decisions within catchment areas... smooth move since everywhere is a part of a catchment.
The real lunancy is I have a mate who has quite a large dam on his farm and the authority turned up one day and handed him a bill for what they claim was their water in his dam. He promptly wrote out a bill for the equivalent amount and handed it to them saying this was his fee for storing their water on his property.
They stormed off at the time but now turn up on a regular basis and pump his dam dry.... go figure!!
cheers
Very interesting post. Of course self-sufficency, self-thought and self-determination is the enemy of any organised and repressive Govt.
cheers
K
EPA, Army Corps draft new Clean Water Act guidelines that threaten to seize control of all water supplies
Wednesday, May 04, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer
(NaturalNews) On Wednesday, April 27, the Obama administration's US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and US Army Corps of Engineers (ACE) jointly released a new draft guidance for the federal Clean Water Act that aims to dramatically expand both the scope of what constitutes a "water source," as well as the legal power federal agencies can exert over those water sources.
If enacted, the proposal will basically allow the EPA and ACE to control any stream, pond, or even puddle that they determine "has a physical, chemical or biological connection" to any larger body of water, which includes even privately-owned water sources.
One of the biggest impacts of the guidance will be to reverse previous Supreme Court decisions that have established the proper constitutional limits on the scope of federal government regulatory authority over not only water, but other natural resources.
By undoing these decisions, the EPA and ACE will essentially be giving themselves a free pass to arbitrarily develop and establish their own rules, and they will be able to do so without proper congressional approval.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032278_water_supplies_EPA.html#ixzz1M2ZG3min
cheers
K
In Nouvelle France the resource was fur. In the last couple decades the resource in Canada was oil (Alberta) Now in the future, water will be the new oil. As the population in the world continue to increase which will make water the most demanded resource on earth even above water. Canada a country that has the largest supply of water will be in center stage of this shift in power. Canada may have to struggle with even higher immigration than we have today, and many countries across the world are going to be looking at Canada for the resource. Canada will become the new Saudi Arabia for resource. If the US decides to drain the Great Lakes there is not much we can do about it. They can suck it dry from their side. U.S. already having squandered their own water on golf courses & swimming pools in the desert of Arizona and Nevada, our greedy neighbors will have to learn to conserve, whether they believe in global warming or not. We are already seeing water levels drop in the Great Lakes.
Steven
11th May 2011, 11:28
Life is sacred and water is part of it. It shouldn't be owned by individual, but rather protected and preserved with respect by the large community of the human race.
Private ownership of water supply is giving too much power to a few over the whole, again. This mentality of ownership is simply too much widespread in every aspect of our Life. It has to be replaced by a mentality of care for the whole community and for its future.
All necessary needs should be protected by the community and shared equaly according to everyones need. What creates the major imbalanced are the waste and unecessary human activities that transform the resources for profit.
I know it is quite an uthopia, I'm all aware of it. It is nonetheless my goal, mentality and focus.
Namaste, Steven
Life is sacred and water is part of it. It shouldn't be owned by individual, but rather protected and preserved with respect by the large community of the human race.
Private ownership of water supply is giving too much power to a few over the whole, again. This mentality of ownership is simply too much widespread in every aspect of our Life. It has to be replaced by a mentality of care for the whole community and for its future.
All necessary needs should be protected by the community and shared equaly according to everyones need. What creates the major imbalanced are the waste and unecessary human activities that transform the resources for profit.
I know it is quite an uthopia, I'm all aware of it. It is nonetheless my goal, mentality and focus.
Namaste, Steven
J'aime le mot Temiscouata... Salut l'ami de ma région voisine:cool: Voici pour toi quelque chose d'intéressant un vidéo qui reflète je le pense le magnifique post que tu as écris ce matin Merci :
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Steven
11th May 2011, 11:56
Merci Gaia,
Je ne peux pas voir des videos youtube à partir de mon travail, mais ce soir, je le regarderai avec plaisir!
Namaste, Steven
Life is sacred and water is part of it. It shouldn't be owned by individual, but rather protected and preserved with respect by the large community of the human race.
Private ownership of water supply is giving too much power to a few over the whole, again. This mentality of ownership is simply too much widespread in every aspect of our Life. It has to be replaced by a mentality of care for the whole community and for its future.
All necessary needs should be protected by the community and shared equaly according to everyones need. What creates the major imbalanced are the waste and unecessary human activities that transform the resources for profit.
I know it is quite an uthopia, I'm all aware of it. It is nonetheless my goal, mentality and focus.
Namaste, Steven
Industry is one of the heaviest users of clean water on the planet. But as usual the blame will be attributed to people and overpopulation and so on..
cheers
K
Carmody
11th May 2011, 18:59
EPA, Army Corps draft new Clean Water Act guidelines that threaten to seize control of all water supplies
Wednesday, May 04, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer
(NaturalNews) On Wednesday, April 27, the Obama administration's US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and US Army Corps of Engineers (ACE) jointly released a new draft guidance for the federal Clean Water Act that aims to dramatically expand both the scope of what constitutes a "water source," as well as the legal power federal agencies can exert over those water sources.
If enacted, the proposal will basically allow the EPA and ACE to control any stream, pond, or even puddle that they determine "has a physical, chemical or biological connection" to any larger body of water, which includes even privately-owned water sources.
One of the biggest impacts of the guidance will be to reverse previous Supreme Court decisions that have established the proper constitutional limits on the scope of federal government regulatory authority over not only water, but other natural resources.
By undoing these decisions, the EPA and ACE will essentially be giving themselves a free pass to arbitrarily develop and establish their own rules, and they will be able to do so without proper congressional approval.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032278_water_supplies_EPA.html#ixzz1M2ZG3min
cheers
K
The only reasons this happens nowadays is that the fascist intrusion into US politics at the federal level is nearly complete (all encompassing).
Thus the people fighting fascism before and keeping control of things privately..those people now totally control the federal offices..and are now working to privatize from the federal control system they are embedded in.
EPA, Army Corps draft new Clean Water Act guidelines that threaten to seize control of all water supplies
Wednesday, May 04, 2011 by: Jonathan Benson, staff writer
(NaturalNews) On Wednesday, April 27, the Obama administration's US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and US Army Corps of Engineers (ACE) jointly released a new draft guidance for the federal Clean Water Act that aims to dramatically expand both the scope of what constitutes a "water source," as well as the legal power federal agencies can exert over those water sources.
If enacted, the proposal will basically allow the EPA and ACE to control any stream, pond, or even puddle that they determine "has a physical, chemical or biological connection" to any larger body of water, which includes even privately-owned water sources.
One of the biggest impacts of the guidance will be to reverse previous Supreme Court decisions that have established the proper constitutional limits on the scope of federal government regulatory authority over not only water, but other natural resources.
By undoing these decisions, the EPA and ACE will essentially be giving themselves a free pass to arbitrarily develop and establish their own rules, and they will be able to do so without proper congressional approval.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/032278_water_supplies_EPA.html#ixzz1M2ZG3min
cheers
K
The only reasons this happens nowadays is that the fascist intrusion into US politics at the federal level is nearly complete (all encompassing).
Thus the people fighting fascism before and keeping control of things privately..those people now totally control the federal offices..and are now working to privatize from the federal control system they are embedded in.
Hi Carmody,
Being a non-American could you elaborate a bit for me?
cheers
K
Rocky_Shorz
11th May 2011, 19:02
it's been years since we were talking about Rockefellers getting out of oil and buying up land for water tables, glad to see people are catching on...
no surprise water sells for more than oil now is there?
hey Tennessee, you seeing any water shortages?
all we need is a way to move it around to storage areas...
it's been years since we were talking about Rockefellers getting out of oil and buying up land for water tables, glad to see people are catching on...
no surprise water sells for more than oil now is there?
hey Tennessee, you seeing any water shortages?
all we need is a way to move it around to storage areas...
with so many energy solutions on the way it will become more and more feasable to desalinate ocean water....
and the problem of what to do with the yucky brine is just a matter of time,
and they'll either find a way to use it as building materials
or get everyone on the planet to drink margaritas...
there's always a solution....hic
Kamikaze
11th May 2011, 22:10
Why don't they create damn large and many solar focus mirrors and point them at the seas and then collect that steam to transport down to location needed. Just some pipes needed really . Salt stays in the sea water. It doesn't need to consume gas or electricity or anything but only work when the sun is out. Just build more and larger if there isn't enough sun in the area.
Collect in dams or whatever. and repeat procedure and you can freely after some construction move water upstream to the mountains to flow back down, all in your control.
Sure there are a few things to work out but this would work wonders around the dry areas.
Create some rivers in the deserts by sourcing the water from the sea.
Just a large tower that condenses the water like a hundred meters some point high up and let the water flow down by gravity. The higher tower the higher you can move the water and further.
MargueriteBee
11th May 2011, 22:15
When I was a kid we got clean water out of the tap with no charge, the city provided it. Now you have to pay for it from a private company. Something ain't right about that.
Fred259
11th May 2011, 22:28
it's been years since we were talking about Rockefellers getting out of oil and buying up land for water tables, glad to see people are catching on...
no surprise water sells for more than oil now is there?
hey Tennessee, you seeing any water shortages?
all we need is a way to move it around to storage areas...
with so many energy solutions on the way it will become more and more feasable to desalinate ocean water.... and the problem of what to do with the yucky brine is just a matter of time,
and they'll either find a way to use it as building materials
or get everyone on the planet to drink margaritas...
there's always a solution....hic
Israel is doing this already, taking water from the Mediterranean and thorough desalination producing tap water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWM61DXMi_M
thunder24
11th May 2011, 22:30
it's been years since we were talking about Rockefellers getting out of oil and buying up land for water tables, glad to see people are catching on...
no surprise water sells for more than oil now is there?
hey Tennessee, you seeing any water shortages?
all we need is a way to move it around to storage areas...
If you got the storage areas alll we need to do is cordinate. Last night we had strong storms again in east tn. So apparently the whole state is blessed/ cursed right now.
peace
Fred 259 wrote re desalination:
Israel is doing this already, taking water from the Mediterranean and thorough desalination producing tap water.
I read about that...10% of all their water is made that way, at a cost of $8 per m3.
The Saudis are doing 60 % of their water like that already....
so anyone in Costa Rica thinking they're going to make money off of our high rainfall here...think again.
Years ago I met an engineer who was installing a desalination plant in the island of Mustique for Mick Jagger
who was hoping to sell that water to the other millionaires who had mansions there
but once they worked out how much it was going to cost them for one toilet flush
they backed off and Mick was left with zero return on his investment
That plant cost him $60,000
at that time (1987) that seemed like a lot of money but now it's nothing in those circles....
Kamikaze
11th May 2011, 23:03
Seems like those desalination plants aren't that cheap really. I wonder how my idea would compare. Boil by solar and have the steam do work and cool it down to flow back where you need it. Should be pure water. To add minerals just let it flow in nature a little bit as a river. Most of those plants seem overly technical and high "expensive" tech.
Fred259
11th May 2011, 23:07
I like your idea Kamikaze...Im just thinking about it, I guess its like an air pack / heat exchanger..
Have you not got this the wrong way around Kamikaze!
If you boil the water its going to steam and then a vapor, you need to cool the air instead don’t you from vapor to a liquid….
thunder24
11th May 2011, 23:28
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/solarball-promises-deliver-clean-water-developing-countries
interesting
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/solarball-promises-deliver-clean-water-developing-countries
interesting
"To help combat these preventable deaths, one Australian university student has designed an affordable solution to provide clean drinking water to people across the world. The device, called the Solarball, can provide up to three liters of clean water a day. By harnessing the energy from the sun, the Solarball evaporates dirty water. As the water evaporates, contaminants are filtered out and the condensation is collected and stored separately for drinking.
Jonathan Liow, an industrial design student at Australia’s Monash University and designer of the Solarball, was driven to build the device after a trip to Cambodia.
Liow said, “After visiting Cambodia in 2008, and seeing the immense lack of everyday products we take for granted, I was inspired to use my design skills to help others,” Liow said."
K
Jim Rogers, the commodities wizard, says, "If you can find a way to invest in water, you are going to be extremely successful and rich".
Here are some hot tips: :target:
Guggenheim S&P Global Water (CGW)
Aqua Water (WTR)
Market Vectors Agribusiness (M00)
ELEMENTS Rogers Agriculture (RJA)
iShares MSCI Brazil (EWZ)
WisdomTree Dreyfus Brazilian Real (BZF)
These are my favorites. Brazil is going to explode in the coming years. Find ways to invest in their agriculture and farming.
Jim Rogers, the commodities wizard, says, "If you can find a way to invest in water, you are going to be extremely successful and rich".
Here are some hot tips: :target:
Guggenheim S&P Global Water (CGW)
Aqua Water (WTR)
Market Vectors Agribusiness (M00)
ELEMENTS Rogers Agriculture (RJA)
iShares MSCI Brazil (EWZ)
WisdomTree Dreyfus Brazilian Real (BZF)
These are my favorites. Brazil is going to explode in the coming years. Find ways to invest in their agriculture and farming.
Would be great to get Steve_a input on this as he lives in Brazil.
cheers
K
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