a taboo subject

[manny]

how many people are actually scared of dying.
i think that mainstream society try,s to make us fearful of the word death.
it,s like a tabboo word.
a no no subject.
we are to worried what will happen to our loved ones.
you can not even die without worrying if you,ve got enough in the bank for your funeral.
well throw me on a skip.i don,t need my body anymore.
or your money.
well imo this is your journey and they have theirs.
and thats not meant to be negative.but fact.
if you believe in source,soul,spirit,re incarnation.
then there should be no fear.
only fearful because no one has the actual answer to what lies beyond.imo.


it is only what socitey try,s to instill in us.
so don,t be that worried that the elite is trying to depopulate the planet.
or that there maybe mass destruction.


when i pass away i want people to celebrate that i have moved on.and not be sad.
moving on out.

does this make sense to anyone.

[ROMANWKT]

how many people are actually scared of dying.
i think that mainstream society try,s to make us fearful of the word death.
it,s like a tabboo word.
a no no subject.
we are to worried what will happen to our loved ones.
well imo this is your journey and they have theirs.
and thats not meant to be negative.but fact.
if you believe in source,soul,spirit,re incarnation.
then there should be no fear.
it is only what socitey try,s to instill in us.

only fearful because no one has the actual answer to what lies beyond.imo.

when i pass away i want people to celebrate that i have moved on.and not be sad.

does this make sense to anyone.

absolutely

Regards to you Manny
roman

[steve_a]

Hi Manny,

Dying is a natural part of our being. There's nothing to be scared of, actually I would go on to say that those who are afraid of dying are not at ease with themselves. My father was the only person I know that elected to die when he had cancer.He had the choice of going through yet another surgery, or not. He chose not. That episode made me grow up (amongst other things). He said that he had done everything he needed to do in his life and was satisfied. He died on his 65th birthday. He was the only person I know personally who died with dignity.

Best regards,

Steve

[ktlight]

In his book, 'Think on These Things' by Jiddu Krishnamurti, is a chapter on the absurdity of this fear and the fact that, at that time, there were no books about it for children. Shortly thereafter, I noticed 4 books for children on the subject, and there may be more now.

[manny]

i have seen death a few times.
and it traumatised me the first time round.
because i was not educated to it.
was not ready.

another time when my uncle passed away.
he was a aethiest.
then about 2 days before he went he started to ask if their was a god and a afterlife.
its never to late to learn.

[butcherman]

having had a close call when i was 28 ( testicular cancer ) at first being told it was like a devastating bomb going of in my head, full of self pity and anger the fear of the unknown, as time passed i coped with the new level of stress, the second bought of chemo nearly finished me of, at this point all i can say is the stress had gone and an overwhelming sense of peace and love had taken over my body. i was no longer afraid To be honest when i was given the all clear for about thirty seconds i panicked all i could think about was the £ 5,000.00 credit card bill id now have to pay

[manny]

so it all boils down to money.
can,t live without it and can,t die without it.;)

[dukes4monny]

Am I scared of death, absolutely not. Am I scared of dying, nope, I'm loving it ;)

[Sabrina]

Makes absolute sense Manny. I saw my father die, and my husband died and later sent me a mobile phone ringtone on my mobile that was only on his phone - not mine. They have a sense of humour over there. We should all have a great celebration of our lives when we go - just like the Irish wake. Celebrate that our power goes on - but 'they' don't want us to do that.

[Shezbeth]

I agree with you Manny.

I've been to two funerals, both for extremely vivacious individuals. Both funerals, having been orchestrated by the families left behind, were very melancholy, somber, and sad events. Succinctly speaking, they were disingenuous to the individuals who had passed. In one case I could tangibly hear the fellow laughing hysterically from the rafters at the methodical process and ceremony (catholic), and in the other I got the distinct impression that the woman was sitting behind me muttering sarcastic remarks about the entire scene.

My funeral will be a beach-side barbecue. ^_^

You raise excellent points. Most people live in a dillusional perception that they will never die, and ferociously (sometimes violently) oppose any suggestion or indication to the contrary.

I for one am quite looking forward to death, and that is to do with my own perceptions and findings. I find that life, and the attachment of my awareness (soul) to my body is the only thing preventing me from perpetually exploring other realms and dimensions (astral and otherwise). Oh sure, I go elsewhere in dreams and in certain states of perception, but am always drawn back by something. Over the short span of life I have experienced, I have spotted many locales which I would very much enjoy the opportunity to explore indefinitely.

Steve, your description of the manner of passing of your father was most picturesque. From your words I envision: a man who knew he was to die someday, and who lived his life accordingly. When the threat of death was emminent, he did not bide for more time or fret over irrelevant concerns. He set an example that left a profound impression, one that reaffirmed and reinforced the experiences and memories of him. In short, he was a man of great quality.

And this I can see just from a few phrases on a message board!

The only unease I have about dying is the idea that I won't have the opportunity to display such quality.

[bilko]

OH, OOH, OOH!
I have been so wanting to talk about this.

I watched a film the other day called 'The bucket list'.
Its about two men who are diagnosed with cancer and are given 6 months to live. So; thye make a list of things to do before they kick the bucket!

There is a scene in the film that says it all for me. They are sky diving as one of their things to do. One of them is screaming all the way down and the other asks why he is screaming, is it because he is afraid of dying?
A smile comes over the screamers face when he realizes he has nothing to be afraid of because he was only given 6 months to live, so he just enjoys the ride.
I won't bore you with my lightbulb moment, i'm sure this is something you wonderful people can work out for yourselves.:)

Death is a blessing, or it was meant to be.
Everyone dies some time so why not enjoy the ride... Ok i lied , boring light bulb moment just had to get out lol.

Love.:)

[araucaria]

the problem is that traditionally people who realized that dying is not all that it was cut out to be tended (still do) to get themselves martyred, being in too much of a hurry to move on to some better place. So some fear of death appears necessary in order to get the job done before getting out of Dodge.

[kasee]

My funeral will be a beach-side barbecue. ^_^

.....dear god! please clarify! :eek:

[manny]

the point i,m trying to make is it does not matter how you go.
we are all going there.
don,t be affraid when the time comes.it comes.
time to move on.

[Lettherebelight]

Bless you, Manny, for bringing this topic up.

You're right... death (of the body) is staring us right in the face from the moment we are born...but very few seem to want to talk about it.

Reminds me of an old Chinese proverb.....

'A wise man thinks often of death.'

[White Phoenix]

Some people say that our consciousness wears these things we call bodies like a suit in order to experience this level of reality. I agree, although I think of these bodies as more like a school uniform. When we are wearing it our main objective is to learn, or at least we're supposed to be learning, but we get to have some play-time as well. Like any school, there's the smart kids, the sporty kids, the arty kids, the average kids, and of course there's some bullies. But at the end of the day, when that bell rings, we can all go home and take off our uniforms.

Day after day we return to school, until we eventually graduate, and then we don't have to wear these stupid uniforms anymore!

[Arpheus]

There is no dying there is only transition and change its very simple really,but people make it out to be complicated far more then what it is,we are all eternal just like our universe and thats a fact whether you believe it or not.

[Strat]

There was a time when I thought I was going through the dying process and it was horrible. At the time I was afraid, and sad at the same time. I just didn't want to go and I was thinking about family and loved ones, that kind of thing.

It's just not something I really think about. When I do, the thought itself doesn't bother me.

[starsmoonmtns]

If u believe in reincarnation, which I personally do, whats the big deal... we live, we die,,,, the body is just a shell, the life an experience..... Looking forward to that new experience.... what's the big deal....... IT'S nothing to be afraid of IMHO>
Who wants to live to be 100 or more? Not me. Death, like life is the greatest experience of all.........
Namaste

[White Phoenix]

A little death humour...
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[Carmody]

"Death....is the greatest kick of all. That's why they save it for last" -the actor Ron Silver, in the film 'Blue Steel'.

But seriously, my family tends to be the ones trying to keep straight faces at funerals. We're laughing too hard. The corny one liners just never stop.

[starsmoonmtns]

Klight,
Jiddu Krishnamurti was one of my favorite people.... thank u 4 mentioning him..

;)

Truth has no path.it is living

.We have been told that all paths lead to truth - you have your path as a Hindu and someone else has his path as a Christian and another as a Muslim, and they all meet at the same door - which is, when you look at it, so obviously absurd. Truth has no path, and that is the beauty of truth, it is living. A dead thing has a path to it because it is static, but when you see that truth is something living, moving, which has no resting place, which is in no temple, mosque or church, which no religion, no teacher, no philosopher, nobody can lead you to - then you will also see that this living thing is what you actually are - your anger, your brutality, your violence, your despair, the agony and sorrow you live in. In the understanding of all this is the truth, and you can understand it only if you know how to look at those things in your life. And you cannot look through an ideology, through a screen of words, through hopes and fears.

Freedom from the Known - 15

[NancyV]

After going to a funeral with my parents when I was very young I told them I would never go to another funeral again. The only time I went back on that decision was when my 2nd husband's father died and I went for his family and my children wanted to go. When we were at my father in law's funeral my 2 young children went up to the open casket to see grandpa. My 5 year old daughter said, "Mom, grandpa isn't there anymore. It's empty." Yes, the vehicle was now just a hunk of preserved meat.

My father died when I was 19. My mother asked me to come to his "service" and I said no. She said "but darling, I've hired a pastor who is a pilot. We'll fly over the ocean and scatter his ashes while he says some nice words. It will be a lovely trip!" LOL... She was weird. I said NO, it's still a funeral service no matter how you disguise it.

I will be cremated in the least expensive way possible. It galls me that one has to pay so much for disposing of a corpse. The government won't let us sell dead bodies for research, so someone else sells the body parts if you donate your body. They also won't let us cremate a body in a more traditional way or bury it on our own property. Too many people have to make money from the death industries.

Death is not fearful at all for me, especially since I died in childbirth from loss of blood. That's a really GOOD way to die, very nice and quick. I was immediately in a different dimension communing with beings of light. Didn't want to come back into this tiny prison of a body, but here I am. I am very much looking forward to my body finally wearing out and releasing my soul.

Nancy :)

[Shezbeth]

My funeral will be a beach-side barbecue. ^_^

.....dear god! please clarify! :eek:

<mutters something about having to clarify,....>

A beach-side barbecue and celebration involving all those whom I am close to (and theirs as well) with good food, good company, a festive atmosphere and (perhaps) a funeral pyre. Not sure about the legalities on that last.

I wouldn't rule out me being part of the barbecue either. I have some awesome (some might say weird) friends who might sample a piece of me. ^_~

[TimelessDimensions]

There is no "death", only ego-death.

[Jeffrey]

People fear what they don't know; we don't know death. A best friend of mine died young one summer ago. It was unexpected. I find comfort knowing that he is freer now than I am here. I know nothing for certain, but I truly believe that he is in a better place. I could not cry like I felt I was supposed to. There was something inside that wouldn't let me. I've developed the fail-safe mechanism to not feel sorry for myself. If I'm sad because someone near to me has passed away, it is not because they are dead and I feel bad for them. It is because they can't be with me anymore, I can't see them, I'm crying selfishly. Nonetheless, I did cry when he died. Everyone else seemed to take it harder than I did. My family just discovered that Mimi, my grandmother, has terminal cancer. It's bad. Her and I are each others biggest fans. I am not mad though, I have been surprisingly strong and I'm not exactly sure were this firmness of resolve is coming from but it soothes me. Y'all pray for my Mimi, she is a sweet, little old lady and this cancer is trying to steal her joy. Yet, I'm not sure she believes that Joy will return to her seven fold upon waking up to spirit after passing on physically. Help me pray for her peace of mind as well.

"To die would be a grand adventure!" -Peter Banning

Much Love and Thanks to you,

Vivek

[sshenry]

The problem with death is that we've forgotten what it really is; merely a portal to a new way of being. We've become attached to our bodies. We identify with them. We can't imagine existing without them. Once we can get past that attachment, it really isn't that bad at all :)

[Carmody]

After going to a funeral with my parents when I was very young I told them I would never go to another funeral again. The only time I went back on that decision was when my 2nd husband's father died and I went for his family and my children wanted to go. When we were at my father in law's funeral my 2 young children went up to the open casket to see grandpa. My 5 year old daughter said, "Mom, grandpa isn't there anymore. It's empty." Yes, the vehicle was now just a hunk of preserved meat.

My father died when I was 19. My mother asked me to come to his "service" and I said no. She said "but darling, I've hired a pastor who is a pilot. We'll fly over the ocean and scatter his ashes while he says some nice words. It will be a lovely trip!" LOL... She was weird. I said NO, it's still a funeral service no matter how you disguise it.

I will be cremated in the least expensive way possible. It galls me that one has to pay so much for disposing of a corpse. The government won't let us sell dead bodies for research, so someone else sells the body parts if you donate your body. They also won't let us cremate a body in a more traditional way or bury it on our own property. Too many people have to make money from the death industries.

Death is not fearful at all for me, especially since I died in childbirth from loss of blood. That's a really GOOD way to die, very nice and quick. I was immediately in a different dimension communing with beings of light. Didn't want to come back into this tiny prison of a body, but here I am. I am very much looking forward to my body finally wearing out and releasing my soul.

Nancy :)

My Father said, "When I die, don't even bother wasting your money on a pine box. The body is meaningless. Take a hook ended chain, put it in my eye socket, drag my body with the tractor... to the back of the acreage of the property, and let the crows feed on me."

[Shezbeth]

I really appreciate, and echo the sentiments of Bob Dean's UFO congress interview when he suggests (paraphrased):

How much real estate could be made available if humanity wasn't so fixated on burial plots and graveyards?

[Lord Sidious]

My funeral will be a beach-side barbecue. ^_^

.....dear god! please clarify! :eek:

You don't wanna know, just don't eat any hot dogs! :p

[manny]

My funeral will be a beach-side barbecue. ^_^

.....dear god! please clarify! :eek:

You don't wanna know, just don't eat any hot dogs! :p
lmao,lord sid don,t ever ever lose that sense of humour.

[mondaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0
bill hicks, john lennon, i follow these to the grave any time... i have no fears it's just a ride.

[benevolentcrow]

It seems to me that if you or I must choose between two courses of thought or action, we should remember our dying and try so to live that our death brings no pleasure on the world.
John Steinbeck

[Rocky_Shorz]

are people afraid of dying, or not living enough?

[manny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0
bill hicks, john lennon, i follow these to the grave any time... i have no fears it's just a ride.
regarding your avatar.
hope you took your socks and shoes off for five minutes and connected with mother earth.

[East Sun]

I'm going for cremation and my ashes thrown into the wind at my favorite beach at the Atlantic ocean, but I would like a bench put at some quiet spot just as a memorial.

I'll have to pay for of course lol.

Not scared of dieing but don't want go in an accident. I'm retired and this is in lots of ways the best time of my life. Appreciate all the good things like nature and all life. Peace!!!!

[Poly Hedra]

Ya cool subject. i was always fascinated with death.
Since I was a child I just wanted to know all I could about dying and death and what happened to us and where we went.
I gobbled up books about reincarnation and near death experiences.
2 of my grandparents died within a month of each other a couple of years ago. I think my family and friends might get the wrong impression sometimes because I dont feel sad in the same way they do. I dont show the typical grieving behaviour, because obviously they have just moved on. I still feel their prescence and love and know I will meet them again.

Its such a pity that (being Irish) we didnt have a wake for them. My grandfather had a typical catholic funeral, full of ritual. I bugs me a lot because the catholic funeral just replaced the wake. What was good though is that we had three days so say goodbye (albeit meaningless catholic ritual involved).
My grandmother was cremated, it wasnt what I expected at all, a few quick words from the priest, some doors open up, the coffin goes in, the doors close, another few word from the priest and everyone leave, very wierd, mechanical, cold.
Bit of a rant there, nobody wants to talk about death, they say things like oh thats morbid or scary. I think its a perfectly reasonable subject to discuss and it doesnt make me feel morbid or depressed. :)

[Peace of Mind]

People fear death because of the unknown. People tend to fear anything that is unknown. To face the unknown is to face the fears, once the unknown becomes familiar…. the fear subsides and the matter can be dealt with due to the newly acquired wisdom to help you move forward. If a person becomes consume by fear they will become stagnated, unwilling to do anything until they feel safe to do so. That was always the plan…

You can’t have a ruling elite without control. So the best way to control anyone is to keep them in fear. It’s a necessity for the ruling elite to keep you frighten. Their greatest feat has always been their ability to promote death as an eerie event; their best tool to facilitate panic has always been through the media. The most frightened people are those that watch too much T.V.

If you keep looking at death in a bad light you will become hesitant in living, you’ll become miserable and depressed from the constant subconscious manipulations that keeps you unproductive. The body/mind doesn’t want to be worthless, they are a phenomenal pair meant for greatness, and they want / were meant to perform and experience this world. No one truly knows about life after death, no one, the dead tells no tales as far as I know. This occurrence is the grand disclosure promised to everyone.

Eventually, all forms of matter will wear away in time, but who you are, your work / your legacy will live on long after you left. So live each day as your last. Each and every one of us is blessed to be here, so honor your inevitable death by living life and showing your appreciation for it. Don’t waste your very brief moment in this seemingly timeless galactic/universal history, do something, be someone…it’s all on you. Once you realize that, it will become clear that life is actually worth dying for, and only you can allow death to come, or allow life to prosper around you. This is a magical place, your time before your time; don’t waste it by playing dead. You raced against millions/billions of sperm to get here, so know now that you are all truly special… sometimes we tend to forget due to the inferiority conditioning being so thorough.

Peace

[mondaze]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0
bill hicks, john lennon, i follow these to the grave any time... i have no fears it's just a ride.
regarding your avatar.
hope you took your socks and shoes off for five minutes and connected with mother earth.
no socks on... i live on the edge!

[Lettherebelight]

Tecumseh was one of the greatest personalities in the story of North American expansion. Here are some pearls of wisdom from him, travelling to you over the centuries.



So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.

Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.

When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.

Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools
and robs the spirit of its vision.

When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep
and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.

Chief Tecumseh (Crouching Tiger) Shawnee Nation 1768-1813
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Tecumseh.jpg