The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues

[Lily de Cuir]

Hello Atticus and all,

Gee there was hardly anyone here a while ago. Atticus do you realise most of your fan club is in the land of nod? Lol...how come you up so late? You'll have to do with the sleepy-heads and us 'Southerners'.

Guess this is the end of this thread of what it was intended for. Everyone settled? I've got pizza...:rockon:

Lily
x

[ViralSpiral]

Yeah, I felt that familiar spike in the noggin....:p

.



Ditto

M'Lord?

[Mike]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

"the" Atticus? the 1 and only Atticus? hmmm...

your spelling and punctuation sure have improved during your absence;)

[gigha]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

"the" Atticus? the 1 and only Atticus? hmmm...

your spelling and punctuation sure have improved during your absence;)

That is special xx thanks :bounce:

[Harley]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Seen that one coming.

This has happened before.

Thank You Atticus!

[Lily de Cuir]

Forensic hats on....:p

Lily

[Mike]

i'll play along;)

what's up with the new site?

[gigha]

Charles how is your health? I hope that things are not as bad as i thought after the interview. love and peace xxx

[magicmanx]

Good Morning Atticus

Hope you are well...........

Now...what could have made LS do what he has just done?

[Amenjo]

Good morning Atticus,

Love and Truth,

Amenjo

[Lily de Cuir]

What say Atticus has gone sleepy-byes and kept this post open just to keep us in suspenders. Classic stuff. Don't expect anything soon. I'm off to my pizza.

Atticus if you are still here, prove me wrong.;)

Love Lily
x

[gigha]

What did it take Lord Sidious to do that made you come back to being present? x

[loveandgratitude]

Well the epic blockbuster continues.
Lets look at the main characters.

We have a protagonist as well as the antagonist. The best villain protagonist as well as the antagonist are the ones we love to hate, that have been twisted by circumstance, tragedy or their own ambition. Are they here to save us or destroy us?

The good guy – Desires to save the world. Circumstances work against him, people plot against him. That being brave isn't about having no fear but rather about doing things despite fear. There are plots, schemes, betrayal, people with many faces, friends and foe, who is who, people who disappear and leave no trace, where have they gone and just when things look hopeless for our hero we wonder if super sleuth bear will save the day and get to the truth of the matter?
Is it sabotage, an immposter amoungst us, dirty tricks,is it all an illusion, the magician's hand at work.

STRANGER THAN FICTION...........

Let's get to the next chapter.

Please Atticus, please continue...............if you really are Atticus????

Definitely a mystery thriller going on here.

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[sandy]

Hi All,

This is too funny:) I just roared when Atticus posted his comment. I guess Lord Sidious is sleeping or something as I waited a bit to see if he would respond.............noppers' not yet!!

What ever happens from this point will certainly be interesting. Albeit, either way, what has happened on this thread is beautiful and love and unity were definitely on a roll.....................I feel uplifted by that and still do and plan to hang onto the heartfelt messages so many beautiful members posted.

Off to bed, and Atticus I'm hoping one day your will consider changing your hit and run behavior and stay and chat with us at least.:)

[gigha]

Hello modwiz glad to see you are still here. :spider: :brushteeth: or ?

[gigha]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Hello Hello. sleepy bunch xxx

[noxon medem]

Dear "Lord Sidious"
(an early post about your forum-name and avatar do resonate)

Forgive me Sidious (guess you know the Lord-thing is absolete)
- for I am about to offend you here in public, initialy ...

Until now I have perceived you as a bit arrogant, pretencious
and been bothered by the selfimportance and constant
presence of carrots and nuggets all over the place.

I have just spend five hours reading through this thread, and
find myself deeply impressed by your posting and position here.
Allthough your invitation to "sparring" with Bill could have
been initiated on a better way. You know that also, by now.

But the thread, and the theme you introduced, has been
frequently contributed to by many other forum members ,
- and affected many more, most of them is not Bill Ryan.
It also affect him, and in a (longterm) positive way I hope.
I know it has by me .

Your focus, consistensy, persistence and formulation is well
worth the hours alone, and thank you to everyone contributing.

I have actualy come to greatly respect you through this.
And think I see what you tried (are trying?) to do here.
And I for one commend you for the effort, allthough
your initial entrance into communication with Bill
could have been better, no?

Anyway, no matter those details.
I thank you for that, Sid.
( can I also call you Rob ? or maybe Robe suits you better ..)
And for challenging, and changing, my view, also of you.
You are a true asset and resource to this, and any, forum.

Anyone should be glad to have a friend, or companion, like you.
( I have a few, and did not like most of them on first encounter..)
Thank you.

A general perception : ( P.O.V. )
The important, and challenging, (necessary) issues that one
choose to ignore ( that one being Bill Ryan or anyone else )
will somehow, sometime, come back and bite you in the butt.
And beg to be faced and resolved. Demand it, if one deny facing it.
(sticking the head in the sand is not recommended, as it in addition to
strongly limiting the view, also leaves the behind more exposed,
even if the beach is ever so nice )

Well, well ..
All well to All.
And thank You, too ...

The "alternative" community is growing.
That is good. Many forums are needed.
( we see from experience a forum can suffer
in quality if it grows too much (too fast)) .

More and more people are waking up, and
growing up. They all need places like this one
to go to. Too.
For real information and real communication, and more ....

Should "camelot" be content being a single cell
"organism" like forever ?
Not in life as we know it to be.
Cells divide, and the organism develope and grow.
It is quite natural.

Joyful, playfull and meaningful and mindfull
summer, or whatever season it is by you,
to everyone on this wonderful and ever changing
(and challenging :- )
Avalon Forum.

Words do not do service to what I feel and perceive
now

So maybe an image :

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a winter dance unexpected

:fish2:
nm

Ps. this was written before atticus made his
clarification, that I was reading now before posting.
This opinion still stands, as Sidious comment about
being one of the 18 do not mean much to me anyway.
And certainly do not impress me, who is one of the 3 !
( I, me, mine )
just joking, of course ...

and speaking of ..
Here is a humorthread from way back in october 2010
( feels like a million years ago, no ? )
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6739-Uuuhh.-I-m-such-an-idiot
- so choose your apprentices carefully, patiently, and wisely, Robe ..

:jester:

[ViralSpiral]

The landscape we inhabit is an ever-changing one, Senator. One moment we are in the light; the next we are in the dark, left to find our own way through. If events could truly be divined—if one were to be granted such awesome power—then perhaps the future could be directed along one line or another. But until then, we stumble through, groping blindly for the truth.|Palpatine - Cloak of Deception

Did m'Lords infatigable quest have the desired outcome?

May we all live in interesting times


http://www.messentools.com/images/emoticones/zorrito/www.MessenTools.com-th_foxeebyaxshp3.gif

[gigha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4
:) love xx :)

[ace]

Just incase any body is worried about Sid, he has been spotted in a muddy field
some were in Central Europe.

Are reporter on the ground says...

"He is naked wearing only bright orange aluminous Wellington boots,is armed with a pitch fork and is franticly digging for carrots".

Regards
Ace

[Billy]

Nice that Charles has found his communication skills again, lovely hearing from you charles and glad to see that things are moving foreward for you.

[loveandgratitude]

I AM DOING LORD SID'S JOB AT THE MOMENT.

THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM GIGHA AND MANY MORE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanCLS_hIo4

[ViralSpiral]

"Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of." - Ace

:p

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

Just incase any body is worried about Sid, he has been spotted in a muddy field
some were in Central Europe.

Our reporter on the ground says,

"He is naked wearing only bright orange aluminous Wellington boots, is armed with a pitch fork and is franticly digging for carrots".

Regards
Ace

And the funniest post of the thread goes to ......

Seriously that is hilarious.

Thanks

Ski
Bump

[loveandgratitude]

Carrot Song - National Carrot Day Anthem

Dedicated to the Lord of Carrots


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWTd0BMdtvg


WHAT HAPPENED TO LORD SID


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezp62LcyhGs&feature=related

[777]

Welcome back *user of Atticus' account*

Please pass on to him that I hope he's in good health and that things are falling into place for him. Sending as much love as can be mustered on his nut kicking journey, we miss him and would be blessed should he return.

We love you me ol mucker.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just incase any body is worried about Sid, he has been spotted in a muddy field
some were in Central Europe.

Our reporter on the ground says,

"He is naked wearing only bright orange aluminous Wellington boots, is armed with a pitch fork and is franticly digging for carrots".

Regards
Ace

And the funniest post of the thread goes to ......

Seriously that is hilarious.

Thanks

Ski
Bump

Yes Skibs...that was very funny ...

I think he's using some 'bull' to find some carrots!!

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_GsU8trlObhk/Rm_mii2EAyI/AAAAAAAAAqE/iz-ZzkjgC8E/P3161744-1.jpg

viking

[Ria]

All manner of people have committed atrocities past and present you cannot gag someone for pouting this out.

[9eagle9]

What did it take Lord Sidious to do that made you come back to being present? x

Pretty slick move on the part of LS I'd have to say.

[Lily de Cuir]

Just incase any body is worried about Sid, he has been spotted in a muddy field
some were in Central Europe.

Our reporter on the ground says,

"He is naked wearing only bright orange aluminous Wellington boots, is armed with a pitch fork and is franticly digging for carrots".

Regards
Ace

And the funniest post of the thread goes to ......

Seriously that is hilarious.

Thanks

Ski
Bump

Well, let's hope the aliens don't spot Sid's illuminous wellies from outer space and decide to laser a crop circle around him...and Sid, in your naked state, be careful where you place that pitchfork or the carrots for that matter!

Off to juice some carrots for brekky.

Love Lily
x
PS: Good Morning M'lord...we've been having fun while you've been sleeping. Forgive us for we have sinned...:p

[Chelle]

Hi, Atticus

I hope you are well.

[cheez_2806]

ah...i don't quiet follow, since its the truth that white men who DID do damage at the time to the aboriginal population then what is wrong with Bill's comment? ?

[quench]

Good to see Atticus post again, hope things are going to plan. Any chance of an update please??

[Belle]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Good Day, Atticus. Nice to hear from you again.

Is there anything you can share with us about the work of the 18? The website? Anything on the progress of either that you can share?



Edited to add---------

I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on this thread and what has taken place in it.

[9eagle9]

ah...i don't quiet follow, since its the truth that white men who DID do damage at the time to the aboriginal population then what is wrong with Bill's comment? ?

Pigmentation doesn't have much to do with the subjugation.

Say...the French and English (white people) came to America and imposed on the Native Americans here. In the meantime us Irish (white people) were back at home starving to death under English (white rule) and we didn't come to America till much later. I don't think Germans (white people) had much to do with the imposing on the Natives initially either.

Basically this the way the English elite who perpetrated and initiated this atrocity makes sure the responsibility of this gets blurred.

Think a little bit about what we know now and apply it to then.

The Native elders here in America now have understanding it wasn't white people who imposed these conditions on them, it was varying cultures imposing political and economic values under the guise of religion. Religion was a tool used to slide in the ultimate agenda. The same thing most of the rest of us have realized over the last decade or so. For as many people who watch Jordan Maxwell how many people are REALLY getting what he is saying?

The term Wishishi (spelling varies)...is a word Natives use in terms regarding their destruction of their culture by certain people. White people think that's a term that applies to them and THINK it means 'white people' or 'bad white people'. It means Fat Eater--greed. The Native Elders know they were destroyed by greed not skin pigmentation.

Some Native Elders have expressed their view that it was a means of population control, because the the shadow faction behind all of this was threatened by their inherent ability and connection to spiritual realms. The BIGGER picture here conducted under the guise of land conquering. They had medicine wheels a long time ago that had blue bar expressed in it. Blue people. Lots of cultures did a long time ago. Ask yourself what happened to those people? And ask yourself if the destruction of their culture was any different than the destruction of Native Americans and Australian aboriginals. All people whose cultures developed around spiritual values.

And then ask yourself is this REALLLLLLY about skin pigmentation?

[PurpleLama]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Perhaps this is meant to distract us from what has been happening in the thread, more so than what sidious was saying, or not, or working with, or not.

Perhaps this is the hijacking of the hijacked, hijacked, hijacked thread.

So, instead, I say to you, Atticus/Charles, to the 33 and the 18, with as much feeling as I can muster:

HO'OPONOPONO!

I heal you by healing me, I love you, forgive me, I'm sorry, I love you.

I love you.

C'mon folks, Ho'oponopono to the PTB! We can do this!

[9eagle9]

The applied wisdoms of 'Animal House'.

Look at my finger
look at my thumb,
look at my fist
:attention:

gee....you're dumb.

Ready to try it again?

Okay.
Look at my finger
look at my thumb
look at my fist
:whip:
....geee your dumb.

Okay ready for round THREE (I bet we're catching on now)

Look at my finger....
look at my thumb ...
look at my fist

:moony::moony::moony:

gee your dumb....

Flounder can I borrow your car?

Gee guyz are you sure?! Oh please please please take my car.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his cryptic hat... :behindsofa:

1) Fulcrum... unfortunately could not possibly have been anyone else but Bill...

2) Indefatigable... wouldn't have happened otherwise... :playball:

3) Bus is not heading in the right direction... :smash:

4) Already on the bus....:kiss:

5) Got on the bus along the way...:cool:

6) Flew over the bus in registered airspace... (#5's are still alive) :boxing:

7) Well golly gee shazam, suprise, suprise, suprise... something seems to have unclogged a pipe somewhere...:eyebrows:

Lord Sidious even Sun Tzu would be proud...but remind me never to play chess with you

Mad Hatter ducks out for more pocorn...

[PurpleLama]

For example, a person may have terminal cancer. Certain shamans have the skills to track the timelines and find one where this person lives. It may be a highly improbably timeline, but improbable does not mean impossible.
This phrasing makes sense to me.

The variety of future timelines (not a word I would choose - but will suffice for this) available to each of us is not unlimited.

I do not believe there is any timeline available to me which has me as a 300 year old tree on some planet in a galaxy far, far away, tomorrow morning earth time.

I do believe there is a timeline available to me which has me looking tomorrow to begin training as an apprentice Buddhist monk, haven forsaken all my computer geek skills and interests. The odds of my choosing that timeline, from what I know of myself at present, are that of a snow ball in hell. Note that I say that not of disrespect for Buddhist monks, but out of awareness of the sorts of limitations I usually place on my own choices. But I suspect I could choose that.

The power of the human mind is immense -- but not unbounded.

Thanks for that beautiful honesty Paul, and for helping each of acknowledge that "changing my timeline" is not just so simple as to wake up tomorrow, tell the boss to f**k off, and then go and sit under a tree (with 6 concubines). I've made all manner of dreams come true in my life, but none of them have held together, so next time I want to get it right ! It takes time to focus all one's intent and find the truth that dwells in the heart, free of preconditioning and limiting self-beliefs, and of course, while soul-searching, there's still the daily life to live ......
Thanks again, good luck to you !

focus on the good of those around you and not for yourself, and the harder you serve in this way, the more good you will find comes back your way, ofter better than you would have even thought to ask for yourself. This have I observed.

for instance: one of my things is weather working (magic) in which I use my own energies, and those of earth and heaven, to try to lessen the rotation of storms, pushing in such a way weaken destructive storms in general. I've done this for years. Now, I live in Mississippi, and it is very humid, and it gets very hot, even in the spring. When my air conditioner broke recently we had very odd cold front move in about a day and a half later. Now, I didn't ask for cold weather, I've not dealt with calling or controlling fronts, I just deal with the destructive energies I pick up on up there. But, here comes 50°f weather when it had been in the upper 80s lower 90s for a month or more already. In my life, I have never seen a cold snap in the month of May. It is possible that it was "coincidence" and that it wasn't the Universe watching my back because I try to watch everybody else's. But, for me, I don't believe in coincidence, only synchronicity. Not everyone agrees or thinks that way, and that's cool: Ho'oponopono, anyway. This is my new favorite word/concept as it sums up so much of what is right to me.

In the bible, for those who like for things to tie in neatly with that book: "EVERYTHING works to the good of those who love God, and are called according to their purpose.

so the moral of the story is do all you do (metaphysically) for the good of others and in the spirit of service and very likely the best part will be reserved for you. But do it for love, not for the potential reward.

[PurpleLama]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.

[Jendayi]

what an amazing thread this has become!!!
lord sidious has gone through an amazing process.... (keep on going sid, almost there!!)
Atticus has shared with us that he is still alive... (glad to see you doing so well mate)
i have seen people change perspective, apologize and asking (and giving) forgiveness..
you people are wonderful...
who knows... this all might just lead to.....
http://www.sacmidtown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/unity-pic.jpg

well done people!!!!
i love you...

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is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.
what is keeping you from starting such a platform..? now that's Ho'oponopono in action ;)

[Mr54]

ah...i don't quiet follow, since its the truth that white men who DID do damage at the time to the aboriginal population then what is wrong with Bill's comment? ?

Pigmentation doesn't have much to do with the subjugation.

Say...the French and English (white people) came to America and imposed on the Native Americans here. In the meantime us Irish (white people) were back at home starving to death under English (white rule) and we didn't come to America till much later. I don't think Germans (white people) had much to do with the imposing on the Natives initially either.

Basically this the way the English elite who perpetrated and initiated this atrocity makes sure the responsibility of this gets blurred.

Think a little bit about what we know now and apply it to then.

The Native elders here in America now have understanding it wasn't white people who imposed these conditions on them, it was varying cultures imposing political and economic values under the guise of religion. Religion was a tool used to slide in the ultimate agenda. The same thing most of the rest of us have realized over the last decade or so. For as many people who watch Jordan Maxwell how many people are REALLY getting what he is saying?

The term Wishishi (spelling varies)...is a word Natives use in terms regarding their destruction of their culture by certain people. White people think that's a term that applies to them and THINK it means 'white people' or 'bad white people'. It means Fat Eater--greed. The Native Elders know they were destroyed by greed not skin pigmentation.

Some Native Elders have expressed their view that it was a means of population control, because the the shadow faction behind all of this was threatened by their inherent ability and connection to spiritual realms. The BIGGER picture here conducted under the guise of land conquering. They had medicine wheels a long time ago that had blue bar expressed in it. Blue people. Lots of cultures did a long time ago. Ask yourself what happened to those people? And ask yourself if the destruction of their culture was any different than the destruction of Native Americans and Australian aboriginals. All people whose cultures developed around spiritual values.

And then ask yourself is this REALLLLLLY about skin pigmentation?

Thanks for that 9eagle, being an English man (well it says that on my passport but I'm not convinced personally) it would be very easy to feel guilty about so many things. There's plenty of darkness in the history of the country where I happen to have been born. It is so important in my opinion not to fall into the trap of feeling personally liable for these things as to be honest when these dark acts were being perpetrated I imagine that my ancestors were also being shafted, subjugated and shat on. I myself have never subjugated conned fleeced or wronged anybody to any large extent beyond the general day to day negotiation of normal life and will continue to not do so.

[ThePythonicCow]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Public can read most threads here already. Opening up a thread for public write sounds way too scary to us control minded admin types. If you can convince us to do that, then you have some powerful abilities there good friend ;).

[9eagle9]

I agree that we should all, collectively have a responsibility to what we've done to each other, regardless of race, culture etc.

We shouldn't have that responsibility imposed on us though. Its a choice and its a compassionate choice, but its still choice.

And there is a fine identification between 'the' English and the English ruling elite. People are really not all that different from each other. When the UK was eyeballing America several years back rolling their eyes over the 're-election' of George Bush and exclaiming "How half of America could be sooooooo stupid!" we agreed.

Yeah, Pretty Stupid. But hey, now let's take a look at YOUR monarchy. Doesn't look like it's going to expire in four years time...

All things being relative.

[PurpleLama]

what an amazing thread this has become!!!
lord sidious has gone through an amazing process.... (keep on going sid, almost there!!)
Atticus has shared with us that he is still alive... (glad to see you doing so well mate)
i have seen people change perspective, apologize and asking (and giving) forgiveness..
you people are wonderful...
who knows... this all might just lead to.....
http://www.sacmidtown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/unity-pic.jpg

well done people!!!!
i love you...

¤=[Post Update]=¤


is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.
what is keeping you from starting such a platform..? now that's Ho'oponopono in action ;)

Unfortunately I am not a "computer" person, it's just me and ny not so smart all the time smart phone. But the idea is there, and the will, so it is my wish that someone with the proper expertise should wave their magic wand and manifest such a thread, all access all love all forgiveness. I've already been talking Ho'oponopono on the other social networking site I am on *coughfacebookcough* and believe me every person I meet today will at least feel it if they don't actually hear me talking about it.

I would like to thank again those who brought forth the ho'oponopono and also furthering of the discussion of timelines. To me, they go hand in hand, but if timelines aren't your thing, by all means, ho'oponopono anyway!!!!!

[PurpleLama]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Public can read most threads here already. Opening up a thread for public write sounds way too scary to us control minded admin types. If you can convince us to do that, then you have some powerful abilities there good friend ;).

perhaps, with ho'oponopono, we would see a thread with no need to be controlled.

uncontrolled love beauty and forgiveness.

I won't try to convince anyone beyond that.

I will just say ho'oponopono, again and again. I say it with my heart.

much love to the control-minded admin types!!!!!!!

[ulli]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.

Just have to look at some Youtube commentaries and you get an idea of "the public".....

And inviting people to recite anything as specific as the ho'oponopono prayer would most likely get responses that would shock you into becoming a cynic for the next 50 lifetimes....

When I took my inner idealist down a few pegs my world became more serene overnight

[sheddie]

I love you - every last one of you, I'm sorry for anything and everything I have ever said or thought that could in any way have caused harm or pain to you all, please forgive me for all the wrongs I have done to you and everyone else on this planet, thank you I am soooo grateful for everyone and everything in my life.

I love you, I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you.

xxxxxxx

ps this is something that I have used for years and say it as a mantra with intent and focus, it works and brings an immediate sense of calm and welbeing.

I take 100% responsibility for everything in my life. I do not however take on board the guilt etc. - I also try to remember to love myself, forgive myself, thank myself and apologise to myself, if I didn't I would be overwhelmed and that would not help anyone or anything.

We can all do this....no blame, no judgement. All is forgiven.

much love xx

[ulli]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Public can read most threads here already. Opening up a thread for public write sounds way too scary to us control minded admin types. If you can convince us to do that, then you have some powerful abilities there good friend ;).

perhaps, with ho'oponopono, we would see a thread with no need to be controlled.

uncontrolled love beauty and forgiveness.

I won't try to convince anyone beyond that.

I will just say ho'oponopono, again and again. I say it with my heart.

much love to the control-minded admin types!!!!!!!

the psychologist in the story didn't demand that the prison cells were simply opened...
Nor did he run a campaign to get the laws changed....
He stayed in his office, by himself.....read his prayers in private....
That's what made the changes....

[PurpleLama]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.

Just have to look at some Youtube commentaries and you get an idea of "the public".....

And inviting people to recite anything as specific as the ho'oponopono prayer would most likely get responses that would shock you into becoming a cynic for the next 50 lifetimes....

When I took my inner idealist down a few pegs my world became more serene overnight

I do understand what you say about the public, I do.

my own "inner idealist" is pretty much "indefatigable".

I have been infected with a massive enthusiasm for Ho'oponopono. Forgive me, I love you, forgive me, I love you ulli.

my own reality is pretty serene, downright peaceful, and is only becoming more so.

to all, please share this hope, this enthusiasm, I love you all.

[ulli]

I agree that we should all, collectively have a responsibility to what we've done to each other, regardless of race, culture etc.

We shouldn't have that responsibility imposed on us though. Its a choice and its a compassionate choice, but its still choice.

And there is a fine identification between 'the' English and the English ruling elite. People are really not all that different from each other. When the UK was eyeballing America several years back rolling their eyes over the 're-election' of George Bush and exclaiming "How half of America could be sooooooo stupid!" we agreed.

Yeah, Pretty Stupid. But hey, now let's take a look at YOUR monarchy. Doesn't look like it's going to expire in four years time...

All things being relative.

What the English are about is just a higher octave of Ancient Rome....
And what makes the Irish so special is that the Romans never went there...
Until recently, in the form of the English...
I suggest now that every Irish child be given Asterix books as part of their school curriculum we would have global balance reestabished in no time...

[ulli]

is it possible for a thread to be opened that allows public access, for the purpose of ho'oponopono? Gee, it would be great is everyone from all the forums and the public even could have a venue to say I love you, forgive me, I love you. It may not be possible, but you never know if you don't ask.

Just have to look at some Youtube commentaries and you get an idea of "the public".....

And inviting people to recite anything as specific as the ho'oponopono prayer would most likely get responses that would shock you into becoming a cynic for the next 50 lifetimes....

When I took my inner idealist down a few pegs my world became more serene overnight


I do understand what you say about the public, I do.

my own "inner idealist" is pretty much "indefatigable".

I have been infected with a massive enthusiasm for Ho'oponopono. Forgive me, I love you, forgive me, I love you ulli.

my own reality is pretty serene, downright peaceful, and is only becoming more so.

to all, please share this hope, this enthusiasm, I love you all.

Been a fan for years...because it's so simple....a matter of remembering...
Usually when used to walk my dog in the evenings...
Now the dog has a better home, with no cats to tyrannize her
And the cats don't like going for walkies
I had to manifest you to do the Ho'oponopono for me instead.....
Good job!!!!!

[ViralSpiral]

I suggest now that every Irish child be given Asterix books as part of their school curriculum we would have global balance reestabished in no time...


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You are in grave danger of receiving lashes from LS :D ;)





If I did not laugh, I would die. Abraham Lincoln

[Ilie Pandia]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

[Hervé]

HO'OPONOPONO (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ancienthuna.com%2Fho-oponopono.htm&rct=j&q=Ho%27oponopono&ei=zVHLTfbbJKPr0gGU_OjnCA&usg=AFQjCNH7FlANvbTsiyT0SfrqGFsOX7aX5Q&cad=rja)



....look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

... While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal.

'What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?'

"'I was simply healing the part of me that created them,'

"... if you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is in your life. This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy or anything you experience and don't like--is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you.

"... Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself.

"If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone, even a mentally ill criminal you do it by healing you.

"... What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"'I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again,' he explained.

"That's it?

"That's it.

"Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world.

"... In short, there is no out there. It would take a whole book to explain this advanced technique with the depth it deserves.

"Suffice It to say that whenever you want to improve anything in your life, there's only one place to look: inside you. When you look, do it with love."

So... is there any real need to create an Admins' nightmare thread? As it's all one's own inner sanctum work.

I bet His Sidiousness is working on himself for any and every carrot he ever distributed around... but, again, I may be wrong.

[Amer]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

One thing is for sure some people have major issues with being clear with us folks.
If that is not a sign of something amiss I don't know what is.
I said it pages and pages ago and I'll say it again- there is something a tad ominous afoot.

Whatever it is and it shall become clear- it has been overshadowed by the triumph of beauty in all the positive expression by you wonderful people.

[ViralSpiral]

Fellow Avalonians,

(logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)


Why?

Sure.
Any theories?


I content that an honorable man would not be cajoled by such a proposition:
- without reason
- Due to temporary loss of sanity and visions of grandeur
- "outside" influence
- even " inside"

The choices are many. Can you bear the wait?

[ulli]

I suggest now that every Irish child be given Asterix books as part of their school curriculum we would have global balance reestabished in no time...


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You are in grave danger of receiving lashes from LS :D ;)





If I did not laugh, I would die. Abraham Lincoln

Cheers, mate, and thanx for the warning.

But tell Sid that in my timeline I can lump ppl together as much as I want

and if he insists on giving me lashes tell him to first wash off that mud,

then take off those ridiculous boots,

put on his black robe, preferably with the hood down to his nose

I'll be ready...light sabre in each hand

:laser:

[Lord Sidious]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

Thank you very much for your trust Ilie, I don't know what I did to earn it, but it is appreciated and acknowledged.

[Hervé]

It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.
Thank You.


This doesn't state: "No longer."

Mes quelques centimes...

[Jendayi]

he's dealing with it.. and getting there...

[9eagle9]

Several members have noted that something a tad ominous has been afoot for months, as LS has implicated in this current posting. Are you just beginning to realize that after people have been shouting it from the rooftops for weeks?

Let's reframe a little: There is a huge difference between not making one's self clear and some people's inability to understand what is being said.





Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

One thing is for sure some people have major issues with being clear with us folks.
If that is not a sign of something amiss I don't know what is.
I said it pages and pages ago and I'll say it again- there is something a tad ominous afoot.

Whatever it is and it shall become clear- it has been overshadowed by the triumph of beauty in all the positive expression by you wonderful people.

[Ilie Pandia]

My first guess is that Lord Sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in Lord Sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

[Agape]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?



Hello Ille,

I think it's simple , lets say incorrect timing and lack of coordination ( in the group ).

Certain things in this world carry their meaning only as long as you don't need to step on the stage , beat your chest and shout I'm this and that, and now I'm going to tell you.

Maybe the group have plans of their own ..


And if they do ..what is the meaning of talking about it till the need arises. Curosity ? Speculations ? Unripe figs of knowledge ?



:rain:

[9eagle9]

The PTB really don't mind people having certain esoteric truths because they have the one thing they need, the only contingency necessary..... no one will believe those who have it.

Clever of them, eh?

I note other members of 18 are present?

I'm wild with curiosity as to what you have to say?

[ulli]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

there might still be more here, Ilie...

3) his lie was pathological lawyer behavior and Atticus being a wise man likes to distance himself from lawyers

4) his lie was deliberate as part of an ulterior motive to force a response from Atticus
(forcing responses from his superiors seems to be one of his favorite past times, at which he miserably fails in the long run)

5) He and Bill and Atticus and Inelia and Sepia and others are all in cahoots here creating various divide and conquer scenarios to test our responses and then sell their analysis of our reactions to various elite agencies

I'll let you know when I have decided which of the above is my favorite plot...:popcorn:

[Amer]

Several members have noted that something a tad ominous has been afoot for months, as LS has implicated in this current posting. Are you just beginning to realize that after people have been shouting it from the rooftops for weeks?

Let's reframe a little: There is a huge difference between not making one's self clear and some people's inability to understand what is being said.



9eagle9 your perception takes in a lot more that mine I'm willing to bet- I'm learning :-) ( from people like you! )
For me there has only been one constant- where the character of Atticus presents himself I bow out. I said this to Rob pages ago when he brought him into the picture. I seek not to offend him or so many of you who have great affinity for him- but as the Irish saying goes -it's an ill wind that blows no good.

[Lord Sidious]

My first guess is that Lord Sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in Lord Sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

I am not able to speak about anything to do with the 18 anymore, so I can't confirm or deny anything put to me.
Let it be known that I was not playing a game with anyone and I am still not doing that.
I did not start out trying to help, but that is where I ended up.
Again Ilie, I appreciate your words.

[Ilie Pandia]

My first guess is that Lord Sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in Lord Sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

I am not able to speak about anything to do with the 18 anymore, so I can't confirm or deny anything put to me.
Let it be known that I was not playing a game with anyone and I am still not doing that.
I did not start out trying to help, but that is where I ended up.
Again Ilie, I appreciate your words.

Lord Sid, I apologize for talking about you and not at you. I had thought you will not longer post on this thread. (my assumption).

I must confess that I am not sure if you are ironic or not, but I think is important to know what has caused Charles to make such a statement about you in public.

If you cannot clarify that then it remains to us to follow the clues?

[PurpleLama]

Fellow Avalonians,

We have a major mystery in our hands... Sherlock Holmes would argue the following:

1) EITHER Lord Sidious was lying about being a member of the 18 (logic demands that this is considered as a hypothesis)

or

2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?

there might still be more here, Ilie...

3) his lie was pathological lawyer behavior and Atticus being a wise man likes to distance himself from lawyers

4) his lie was deliberate as part of an ulterior motive to force a response from Atticus
(forcing responses from his superiors seems to be one of his favorite past times, at which he miserably fails in the long run)

5) He and Bill and Atticus and Inelia and Sepia and others are all in cahoots here creating various divide and conquer scenarios to test our responses and then sell their analysis of our reactions to various elite agencies

I'll let you know when I have decided which of the above is my favorite plot...:popcorn:

I prefer:

7) he was found to be complicit in an activity that the PTB specifically disapprove of, namely: HO'OPONOPONO.

Rob, I love you, forgive me if this cost your job, but no worries we have a better job for you, namely: HO'OPONOPONO!

Seriously.

[ulli]

The PTB really don't mind people having certain esoteric truths because they have the one thing they need, the only contingency necessary..... no one will believe those who have it.



there are two more contingencies that the great unwashed don't have
and which the elite cannot exist without-- unity and discipline
Unity created by a common etiquette and protocol...
this is the essence of all ritualistic practice...

Whereby everyone agrees on a set of given rules in order to maintain such unity
and discipline is needed amongst all members in order to accomplish this.

Unity is created by a common enemy...and this is easy for them as their common enemy is so HUGE...7 billion strong,
so the more of those 7 billion they can disable by turning them into drones the less threatened they feel.

But by doing that they are missing out on a lot of fun, which their lives of rigid discipline deprive them of.

[sheddie]

I feel your pain my lord Sid and send you healing and much love, you have created a great place of healing and forgiveness here, let us continue with that and see where it takes us

:grouphug:

valx

My first guess is that Lord Sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in Lord Sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

I am not able to speak about anything to do with the 18 anymore, so I can't confirm or deny anything put to me.
Let it be known that I was not playing a game with anyone and I am still not doing that.
I did not start out trying to help, but that is where I ended up.
Again Ilie, I appreciate your words.

[DeDukshyn]

I'm not very good at reading into things (a bit off topic btw), but I'm getting a light impression that Avalon is being "tested" in certain ways and I'm not speaking specifically of this thread. Someone(s) appears to be looking for holes in the net, so to speak. Perhaps so they can be fixed? (because we all know as soon as holes get exposed you Avalonians quickly send in the net minders -- we just don't tend to find the holes until they start to cause bigger issues) -- but again, this thread isn't what makes me think that ... it's more general. ;-) Just a thought ...

[9eagle9]

Its not really about affinity its about seeing the truth when you read between the lines.

Honestly a lot of people have tied up their self identifies with Bill, and PA and the extreme reactionary part of is because of a threatened loss of Identity on other members parts. Thats why they are so heartily tossing in their gloves to something that really, bottom line, is not personal unto the invididual. They've chosen to make it personal and then wonder why there's so much conflict.

They are the ones who choose to tie up their self identity in a place other than where it belongs. .

I in all honesty can say I respect both men, I like both of them, but that's as far as affinity goes. One can not accurately assess the truth of situation when their emotions and identity are tied up in a single person or beliefs. This surface back and forth is not really the issue here.

For my part I will confess that I'm not sleeping, Mess-tressing, or care taking either of them .

I'm making statements based from correct mindedness not emotionally driven.

What is fair and correct and what can be seen between the lines.

I mean if someone is waiting for a written confession and photo evidence you aren't going to get it. The point that is being made is evidence is found between reading between the lines.

**** atrocious typing and the margarita bar isn't even open yet....****




Several members have noted that something a tad ominous has been afoot for months, as LS has implicated in this current posting. Are you just beginning to realize that after people have been shouting it from the rooftops for weeks?

Let's reframe a little: There is a huge difference between not making one's self clear and some people's inability to understand what is being said.



9eagle9 your perception takes in a lot more that mine I'm willing to bet- I'm learning :-) ( from people like you! )
For me there has only been one constant- where the character of Atticus presents himself I bow out. I said this to Rob pages ago when he brought him into the picture. I seek not to offend him or so many of you who have great affinity for him- but as the Irish saying goes -it's an ill wind that blows no good.

[Lord Sidious]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

[9eagle9]

yes, Consider each and every member a potential hole in the net . When you get several potentials all glomming about a some self created emotionally knitted banner that serves as a blindfold, consider that the hole has just gotten wider.

LS is doing something that I very seldom see people do in this forum *save for a handful* that is operate under his own self authority. That has to be much appreciated in this herd unity mentality even if I don't necessarily agree or disagree with it.

People all the time express how the 'outside' world behave like sheeple.

A bit awkward when they exhibit the same behavior in a place that urges against it.



I'm not very good at reading into things (a bit off topic btw), but I'm getting a light impression that Avalon is being "tested" in certain ways and I'm not speaking specifically of this thread. Someone(s) appears to be looking for holes in the net, so to speak. Perhaps so they can be fixed? (because we all know as soon as holes get exposed you Avalonians quickly send in the net minders -- we just don't tend to find the holes until they start to cause bigger issues) -- but again, this thread isn't what makes me think that ... it's more general. ;-) Just a thought ...

[DevilPigeon]

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I'm pleasantly surprised and encouraged that from what I can see there are no negative or hostile reactions toward Lord Sid based on what Atticus posted. If that were a test of some sort, I reckon that's a big green tick in a box somewhere!

:yo:

[Amer]

One can not accurately assess the truth of situation when their emotions and identity are tied up in a single person or beliefs.
Essentially we give our control away and we stop being our sovereign selves- that which is our most precious belonging.

[jjl]

it would seem that Atticus, at first, gave tacit approval, then changed his mind. Wrong timing perhaps?

[Carmody]

When a group of evolving complex avatars are learning the ropes of coming to grips with their reality, there may be a group of them which is ahead of the general swing of things.

This group, They are also likely to be more perceptive than the general group.

As One avatar race moves from the lessons of individuation and into a group understanding and environment, one connected to their evolving information, knowledge and potential understandings, it may be possible to test this group against scenarios.

As this Avatar group moves into the gauntlet of change for their given avatar type, in their given situation, thus defining the leading edge of their overall (all avatars in the system) change and expression.....they may provide to be a valuable resource, on all fronts, for dealing with what ails the overall group and what favors the overall group.

The point that seems to be emerging in evolution, is that the time may come where the given individuals gather in these understandings (this forum in particular-and those few like it) as they will gather on a more rarefied level in the future. (mental joining into a group with retained individuality)

The forum is valuable and important to humankind. Not in an egotistic way, but with respect to testing, and curve fitting of solutions, for the given external (to the forum) but involved groups that may require more stability, testing, etc... in their given endeavor, in the given moment.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid, I apologize for talking about you and not at you.

No Ilie, you honour me with your words and your intent, apology not accepted nor needed.
You are a good man Ilie, avalonuggets should know that I say so.
And I will carrot em if they disagree. :cool:

[Ilie Pandia]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

Lord Sid,

Would you rephrase that? I am not native English speaker and I don't get it...

"if a member of the team and I was never not a member" is there a double negation? a word you forgot to remove or a comma missing?

Could I rephrase it as: "if a member of the team (and I was a member), rocks the boat..." is that correct?

[magicmanx]

Dear LS and 9eagle9 ( Posts 575 and 576 )

What is the top priority........ it is how to work out a system to stop the verbal diarrhoea by us posters........... and I say this with respect. Every forum that is around suffers the same problem.

Everyone has to say something and give input and in actual fact is encouraged to. We have one thread up to 4!!!! plus posts just waiting for an answer from someone.

The fault here is actually not ours ( as posters ). It is really what we are being fed by those who are rocking the boat that has to seriously be reviewed. The ball is actually in your court.

Nice to see you back LS....... :)

[Lord Sidious]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

Lord Sid,

Would you rephrase that? I am not native English speaker and I don't get it...

"if a member of the team and I was never not a member" is there a double negation? a word you forgot to remove or a comma missing?

Could I rephrase it as: "if a member of the team (and I was a member), rocks the boat..." is that correct?

That works.

You know, during the life of this thread, I must say that I am impressed with bills staff.
I have been treated with courtesy and respect and a lot of care as to what was going on.
Dennis in particular spent some hours of his own time to clarify issues.
Bill picked the right people for the staff here, the lot of em.





Nice to see you back LS....... :)

Thanks my triskelion bearing friend.
I had my net go out on me for about 4 hours or so during my night last night plus I slept well today, I needed it.

[Agape]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

Lord Sid,

Would you rephrase that? I am not native English speaker and I don't get it...

"if a member of the team and I was never not a member" is there a double negation? a word you forgot to remove or a comma missing?

Could I rephrase it as: "if a member of the team (and I was a member), rocks the boat..." is that correct?

That works.

You know, during the life of this thread, I must say that I am impressed with bills staff.
I have been treated with courtesy and respect and a lot of care as to what was going on.
Dennis in particular spent some hours of his own time to clarify issues.
Bill picked the right people for the staff here, the lot of em.




Ehm. Why did they do that ? :haha:

[Amer]

Rob- again pages ago, don't ask me to go looking now- I asked you if all of this had something to do with Control with a capital C (in the sense was this what you were trying to make us see)
My feeling was that we refer so much as a community to the ptb, to the fact that we live under a controlling eye in today's world, yet I have had this feeling that many have been giving away their control without even realising it and not that anyone has asked them for it either- merely the fact that it is sometimes too easy to look outside of yourself than inside where the real strength dwells.

I'm not expressing myself as I'd like to- I have to go away and ruminate some more.:blink:

[9eagle9]

Oh of course its not the posters fault :der:

I for one am getting my Kali Action Playset out this afternoon and destroying you all.



Dear LS and 9eagle9 ( Posts 575 and 576 )

What is the top priority........ it is how to work out a system to stop the verbal diarrhoea........... and I say this with respect. Every forum that is around suffers the same problem.

Everyone has to say something and give input and in actual fact is encouraged to. We have one thread up to 4!!!! plus posts just waiting for an answer from someone.

The fault here is actually not ours ( as posters ). It is really what we are being fed by those who are rocking the boat that has to seriously be reviewed. The ball is actually in your court.

Nice to see you back LS....... :)

[Lord Sidious]

Rob- again pages ago, don't ask me to go looking now- I asked you if all of this had something to do with Control with a capital C (in the sense was this what you were trying to make us see)
My feeling was that we refer so much as a community to the ptb, to the fact that we live under a controlling eye in today's world, yet I have had this feeling that many have been giving away their control without even realising it and not that anyone has asked them for it either- merely the fact that it is sometimes too easy to look outside of yourself than inside where the real strength dwells.

I'm not expressing myself as I'd like to- I have to go away and ruminate some more.:blink:

I don't know the point you are trying to make, but what you are saying is correct, people look for an external remedy.
Why?
We already know all, we are all.
But we can be nothing, it is our choice.

[Agape]

Time to change cloak perhaps. Do they have more characters in Stawars ?

:clock:

[Belle]

The words in Atticus' post "It has become necessary..." keep resounding in my mind. What made it necessary? Was it something that was said that has made it necessary, or was it the general direction or tone of the thread?

Whatever the reason, it must have appeared obvious enough to Atticus to make it necessary to post on this thread after being silent for so long.

[ThePythonicCow]

... and I was never not a member ...

I read that as a stronger assertion - that you were always a member of the group of 18, from its inception, until this last day. Is that a correct reading?

[Lord Sidious]

... and I was never not a member ...

I read that as a stronger assertion - that you were always a member of the group of 18, from its inception, until this last day. Is that a correct reading?

I meant avalon, but thanks for pointing out that vagueness in my post.
You gave me a chance to clarify it.

[9eagle9]

Whom would most benefit from Atticus's post?

[Amer]

So you were never a part of the 18? That was also simply a guise to get our attention?

[ulli]

When a group of evolving complex avatars are learning the ropes of coming to grips with their reality, there may be a group of them which is ahead of the general swing of things.

This group, They are also likely to be more perceptive than the general group.

As One avatar race moves from the lessons of individuation and into a group understanding and environment, one connected to their evolving information, knowledge and potential understandings, it may be possible to test this group against scenarios.

As this Avatar group moves into the gauntlet of change for their given avatar type, in their given situation, thus defining the leading edge of their overall (all avatars in the system) change and expression.....they may provide to be a valuable resource, on all fronts, for dealing with what ails the overall group and what favors the overall group.

The point that seems to be emerging in evolution, is that the time may come where the given individuals gather in these understandings (this forum in particular-and those few like it) as they will gather on a more rarefied level in the future. (mental joining into a group with retained individuality)

The forum is valuable and important to humankind. Not in an egotistic way, but with respect to testing, and curve fitting of solutions, for the given external (to the forum) but involved groups that may require more stability, testing, etc... in their given endeavor, in the given moment.

I love this post.

And this line in particular:


mental joining into a group with retained individuality

I'm all for group think but without individual uniqueness it can become an organism

that could be manipulated by meme constructors

and used as a tool to serve unknown agendas,

destroying individual destinies and even souls.

Napoleon and his control over his army comes to mind....

Not sure if it's the Internet in general that permits individuality to be retained here

or if it is some dynamic that is unique to Avalon...

[Hummingbird]

In this open and free place of co creation the very word secrecy is repugnant. Shouldn't the idea's, operations and agenda's of the 18 be available for all since we all helped create what is avalon and are helping maintain it's purity. They are operating using this vehicle that some of us have been contributing to for 4 or 5 years now.

Some of us in more ways then hammering are keyboards and building up our post counts, Like getting out and manifesting the intention into reality by interacting with fellow humans and shifting vibrations.. IMO

[Lord Sidious]

So you were never a part of the 18? That was also simply a guise to get our attention?

I am not a liar.
PM Atticus and ask him if I lied that I was in.

[Ilie Pandia]

The words in Atticus' post "It has become necessary..." keep resounding in my mind. What made it necessary? Was it something that was said that has made it necessary, or was it the general direction or tone of the thread?

Whatever the reason, it must have appeared obvious enough to Atticus to make it necessary to post on this thread after being silent for so long.

Perhaps this was the problem?



I am one of Atticus 18.
Bearing that in mind, there is no profit as such to make from telling me certain things, like that which I spoke of before.
None of us want to see those we care about suffer and/or die before they should.
And that includes him too, so he has a vested interest in getting things in place.

We need to prepare for a cataclysm on the scale, but not of the same type, that killed off the dinosaurs.
I know very little at this point of exact details of what is coming. I am learning and willing to inform others, that is part of what Atticus/Charles mission is now.
Thanks for the kind words, it is not easy to stick to your line when everyone is throwing stones at you, but I figure enough of you will figure that the messenger is usually not received so well, even if they tell the truth.

[Amer]

I am not a liar.
PM Atticus and ask him if I lied that I was in.

I was not saying you were a liar- I was referring to the clarification that you gave to Paul.

[magicmanx]

Dear Hummingbird ( post 596 )

Could it be that we are all members of the team titled ' The 18 '? We just have not noticed or are too busy to be aware! :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

Ah - so you were referring to Avalon. OK. That makes more sense. You were rocking the boat here (on this forum) to get certain focus from Bill, even at the risk of being thrown out. Is that a correct reading of your statement?

[Jendayi]

yes, Consider each and every member a potential hole in the net . When you get several potentials all glomming about a some self created emotionally knitted banner that serves as a blindfold, consider that the hole has just gotten wider.

LS is doing something that I very seldom see people do in this forum *save for a handful* that is operate under his own self authority. That has to be much appreciated in this herd unity mentality even if I don't necessarily agree or disagree with it.

People all the time express how the 'outside' world behave like sheeple.

A bit awkward when they exhibit the same behavior in a place that urges against it.


now that is what i call hitting the nail right on the head!
excellent.. and thank you...

[Belle]

In response to Ilie's post #598...

Perhaps that was it, Ilie. But he did wait for many pages after that before posting.

Guess I'll be re-reading this whole thread again. It has so many wanderings of thought off of the path Rob was trying to lay down that I would not have expected a response to any of it. It could be buried in some of the wanderings. Perhaps while the thread was aligning with the 18's purpose there was no need to say anything, but when it strayed... All speculation on my part, but I do find it curious.

[Lord Sidious]

I am not a liar.
PM Atticus and ask him if I lied that I was in.

I was not saying you were a liar- I was referring to the clarification that you gave to Paul.

I said I was in, I am no longer in. That is all I can and will say.



Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

Ah - so you were referring to Avalon. OK. That makes more sense. You were rocking the boat here (on this forum) to get certain focus from Bill, even at the risk of being thrown out. Is that a correct reading of your statement?

That is the correct reading.

[Amer]

Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?

[Carmody]

Not sure if it's the Internet in general that permits individuality to be retained here

or if it is some dynamic that is unique to Avalon...

Reasoned debate. That is Key. When the avatar is calmed and understands it's duality the next step is not unbridled emotion, but reasoned debate.


The problematic moment or time period, is the overlap of the necessary pressures with the pattern of realization and reaction.... as tied to the idea of evolving reasoned debate ....which becomes the outcome.

[Lord Sidious]

Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?

I know him, you do not.
Atticus is a good man and I still trust him.
I will not speak again on this matter, please drop the topic of why I was dismissed.

[ulli]

Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?

what does it matter when you stand at the crossroads all by yourself...

who anyone else is/was

what matters is which path you take from there....

Being fired is nearly as healthy as leaving your religion.

One moment you are a sheep being herded and not knowing whether they want your wool or your flesh...

and the next you run freely over green pastures

there is an hereafter in which even the most eloquent prophets stand in silence

awed...

as TIME LINES merge and change and shift...

we are the fingertips of God on the touchscreen of the cosmos

what windows will open next?

Looking at the menu now....

[777]

Lord Sid, may I ask what it was you were after from Bill (aside from an apology, let's not drag all that up again). Was it alliegence, or to perhaps test his resolve to having his mind manipulated (not with you as the manipulator I might add, merely the tester)?

[Amer]

I know him, you do not.
Atticus is a good man and I still trust him.
I will not speak again on this matter, please drop the topic of why I was dismissed.
Yes you know him and I do not. I will not broach the subject anymore, but permit me to say this to you and to all of Avalon- cloak and dagger will benefit no one here- it is that which we fight. The constant mystery, the revealing and half revealing of it all, the I know something but you're not ready to know, the appearing and disappearing acts, the ending of the play before the final curtain.... all of it does not further anyone on the road to truth.


what does it matter when you stand at the crossroads all by yourself...

Let's not be afraid to stand alone, look for guidance from those who are willing to give it with a heart and a half..... and then my friends look to your inner strength standing alone yet one with the universe but slave to none.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid, may I ask what it was you were after from Bill (aside from an apology, let's not drag all that up again). Was it alliegence, or to perhaps test his resolve to having his mind manipulated (not with you as the manipulator I might add, merely the tester)?

I wanted bill to do some self analysis and be honest with himself.
Not with me.
Not with you.
With himself.
The apology was merely the key to the door he has to open.

[mondaze]

rob your value here is infinite, as you drag many, not all, kicking and screaming towards the new reality. i thank you for your efforts on our behalf.

[Lord Sidious]

rob your value here is infinite, as you drag many, not all, kicking and screaming towards the new reality. i thank you for your efforts on our behalf.

Thanks for seeing beyond words.
And for seeing me.

[greybeard]

You probably know the expression.
Assume makes an ass out of you and me.
It is normal that humans to want to label categorize put you in a filing cabinet.
They then think they know you and feel safe with that knowledge.

You cant really know some one through what they write on a forum
80% of communication is non-verbal.
Ive seen the assumption made that because a person posts on a forum they are tactical supporting all element and opinions on that forum.
Its like saying all white people are responsible for xy and z.
You are supposed to take sides, I dont though I express compassion to those hurt.

For myself I find it best to not belong to any group or forum that frees me up to be totally myself.
I may be a member but there is not a sense of belonging to a group identity.
Friends yes but I am free to agree or disagree with out being disagreeable -- sometimes tough love -- sometimes just letting be.

A Course in Miracles is good it states--- "The moment you take up a position know that you are identifying with an illusion"

Really think about that if you will.
If the position was truth then everyone would see it and believe it to be so --- no its an opinion-- personal and thus flawed.ie only one side/part of the story.
Every one believes passionately that the are right ---

In AA there is a saying "My hell was worst because it happened to me"

So the truth that I believe is true because it happened to me, it is my subjective experience. Flawed for reasons already given, but none the less, very real to the experiencer.

So getting there.
I can forgive anyone because there is nothing to forgive --- given their life experience conditioning they could not act differently.

But for the grace of God there go I

Dr Hawkins the renowned Psychiatrist said "If they knew better they would do better.

The level of spiritual vibration virtually dictates the reaction to any give situation.
A map of consciousness in this book is a mind opener
"Power vs Force by Dr Hawkins"

Jesus on the Cross said "God forgive them for they know not what they do" they were spiritually ignorant

One famous quote "The only sin is ignorance"
I have meandered a little but The suggestion is live and let live we are all genuine people here on this thread.

Be kind to all life including your own no matter what.

In particular best wishes to Lord Sidious

Chris

[Hummingbird]

The exact thought that came to me a few moments after i posted thanks magic.

Secrecy is what put the world in the situation it is in, which come's from deceit, which is a reptilian mind set protocall to survive.

Atticus may very well be trying to wake us up that we could be left aside, typing and arguing away why people moving there feet could use our contribution.

But then LS just confirmed there is an 18, some of us know who they are, and they arnt talking about what they plan/agenda/ or what they are doing behind the scenes.

from what i c bill does not agree with the timeline( that maybe charles does, reading in between the lines, that he had conveyed that certain catastrophic events would happen to the 18)

Seems charles is taking us in the direction of, secret's within secret's, only known by a select few, all for the purpose preparing certain people for a catastrophic event but not others.. Fear based emotion anyone...

I agree with Bill 100%

I Matthew Murphy do not give my consent to that event and that timeline, that is not what i signed up for

[Lord Sidious]

The exact thought that came to me a few moments after i posted thanks magic.

Secrecy is what put the world in the situation it is in, which come's from deceit, which is a reptilian mind set protocall to survive.

Atticus may very well be trying to wake us up that we could be left aside, typing and arguing away why people moving there feet could use our contribution.

But then LS just confirmed there is an 18, some of us know who they are, and they arnt talking about what they plan/agenda/ or what they are doing behind the scenes.

from what i c bill does not agree with the timeline( that maybe charles does, reading in between the lines, that he had conveyed that certain catastrophic events would happen to the 18)

Seems charles is taking us in the direction of, secret's within secret's, only known by a select few, all for the purpose preparing certain people for a catastrophic event but not others.. Fear based emotion anyone...

I agree with Bill 100%

I Matthew Murphy do not give my consent to that event and that timeline, that is not what i signed up for

If I could give you some advice.
Your post speaks more of your fear than it does of Atticus and the plans.
I don't know what they are, but you know less than me.
The theorising here is not helpful for you, it will only attract negative energy to you, let go of it now for your sake.
None of it will be secret, just wait, that is all you have to do.
No one can tell you anything right now, so if you get anything, throw it away, it is rumour and innuendo.
Don't stress Matthew, wait.

[sheddie]

...............and while you wait work on your inner self, heal what needs healing inside of you. That way whatever happens you will be able to face it without fear and act instead of reacting.

The only person you have control over is yourself. :hug:

much love x

[manny]

each of us will find what is right for us.
when the time is right.
enjoy the now.
for when a struggle comes,remembering what was good and what was right maybe the only thing that keeps you going.
have faith.

[Hummingbird]

Thank you for your advice.

I am not feaful or stressed at all dont worry : ) I am not very good at expressing myself threw the keyboard.

Simply put i don't give my consent to certain people believing they are privy to information that other's " can't handle" or " aren't ready yet"

That is pyramidal old paradigm thinking, which is just going to divide people and the forum. not fear or stress more concern for a place that I love

[Dorok]

I think this thread has given me whiplash...

I NEED APOLOGIES!!! (kidding)

I love you all

[ulli]

the way this thread is going there are way too many people here who have figured out the MYSTERIES of life...

perhaps the moderators might consider letting in another 2000 members of the public who are banging at the castle entrance?

[NancyV]

Lord Sid, if you were one of the 18 and are no longer, I hope you are not bothered too much by it. Without you in the 18 my estimation of the group would be that it is now much lesser in quality. If you were "let go" from the group because you hinted at certain information or if your actions were not approved of, then you are better off OUT of a group like that, in my opinion. If you were not one of the 18 but created this play for other purposes, I hope you have enjoyed it as much as I have.

As far as Atticus posting today, it sure didn't feel to me like his particular "flavor" or energy. Maybe it was one of the "18" posting for him or one of his "assistants". Atticus does not have THE truth. He has his truth, not my truth. I hope he chooses his truth wisely for he will surely get what he focuses on. Any information he might have which he thinks will affect humanity in the future might be interesting, but if it is about a dire and dark future it will not become a part of my truth, even though I would listen to it with interest. One of the consequences of accepting his words as truth is that it may become a part of your reality.

I will focus on creating a different timeline for myself and I'm happy to see there are others who will do this. Having fallen into the trap of believing dire warnings of global catastrophe's several times in my life, I am no longer inclined to believe anyone, especially the doomsday prophets. (but my husband and I will still have a lot of guns and ammo just because we LIKE weapons.)

Ho'oponopono is very powerful. When I was practicing it about 17 years ago I developed a little variation that seemed to increase it's effectiveness for me. I would jump on my rebounder while saying out loud " I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you." The longer I did it, the louder I got, the more heavily I breathed from the jumping, the HIGHER I would get. (High as in blissed out) It was pretty amazing. LOL...

The combination of pranayama (breathing), stimulating the lymph (which cleanses toxins from cells) by jumping on the rebounder, and saying the powerful ho'oponopono words was probably the major catalyst that caused me to have a kundalini opening which lasted for almost a year. I called this process the "Mini Trampoline Path to Enlightenment". Catchy label, right? But somehow it didn't seem to appeal to the more serious new age types where I lived in Ashland, Oregon. Most importantly, it gave me a lot of laughs! LOL...

Nancy :)

[manny]

Thank you for your advice.

I am not feaful or stressed at all dont worry : ) I am not very good at expressing myself threw the keyboard.

Simply put i don't give my consent to certain people believing they are privy to information that other's " can't handle" or " aren't ready yet"

That is pyramidal old paradigm thinking, which is just going to divide people and the forum. not fear or stress more concern for a place that I love
knowledge is power as they say.(unfortunatley).
and this has been for many a year.
it is how our society runs,like it or not.
now if we where to learn the truth all at once,it could be devasting or uncomprehendable.
but some people are deciding to show the truth after all this time.
be patient and let them have their say.
then you decide.

[Calz]

I think this thread has given me whiplash...

I NEED APOLOGIES!!! (kidding)

I love you all

:sorry: (kidding back at ya)

Just like a good novel.

Goes one direction ... the human spirit arises to change the direction ... then WHAMMO ... up pops the mystery guest (or most likely the "stunt 2bl" filling in).

Real page turner :attention:

[Dorok]

I think this thread has given me whiplash...

I NEED APOLOGIES!!! (kidding)

I love you all

:sorry: (kidding back at ya)

Just like a good novel.

Goes one direction ... the human spirit arises to change the direction ... then WHAMMO ... up pops the mystery guest (or most likely the "stunt 2bl" filling in).

Real page turner :attention:

Is M. Night Shaymalan behind the curtain here?? ;)

[Andrew]

Well the Suns getting hot.

[manny]

Charles ,Rob has opened a window for you,are you feeling up to continuing.

[ulli]

Lord Sid, if you were one of the 18 and are no longer, I hope you are not bothered too much by it. Without you in the 18 my estimation of the group would be that it is now much lesser in quality. If you were "let go" from the group because you hinted at certain information or if your actions were not approved of, then you are better off OUT of a group like that, in my opinion. If you were not one of the 18 but created this play for other purposes, I hope you have enjoyed it as much as I have.

As far as Atticus posting today, it sure didn't feel to me like his particular "flavor" or energy. Maybe it was one of the "18" posting for him or one of his "assistants". Atticus does not have THE truth. He has his truth, not my truth. I hope he chooses his truth wisely for he will surely get what he focuses on. Any information he might have which he thinks will affect humanity in the future might be interesting, but if it is about a dire and dark future it will not become a part of my truth, even though I would listen to it with interest. One of the consequences of accepting his words as truth is that it may become a part of your reality.

I will focus on creating a different timeline for myself and I'm happy to see there are others who will do this. Having fallen into the trap of believing dire warnings of global catastrophe's several times in my life, I am no longer inclined to believe anyone, especially the doomsday prophets. (but my husband and I will still have a lot of guns and ammo just because we LIKE weapons.)

Ho'oponopono is very powerful. When I was practicing it about 17 years ago I developed a little variation that seemed to increase it's effectiveness for me. I would jump on my rebounder while saying out loud " I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you." The longer I did it, the louder I got, the more heavily I breathed from the jumping, the HIGHER I would get. (High as in blissed out) It was pretty amazing. LOL...

The combination of pranayama (breathing), stimulating the lymph (which cleanses toxins from cells) by jumping on the rebounder, and saying the powerful ho'oponopono words was probably the major catalyst that caused me to have a kundalini opening which lasted for almost a year. I called this process the "Mini Trampoline Path to Enlightenment". Catchy label, right? But somehow it didn't seem to appeal to the more serious new age types where I lived in Ashland, Oregon. Most importantly, it gave me a lot of laughs! LOL...

Nancy :)

Brilliant what you said here, Nancy, and I had the same thoughts but you beat me to it.
Lord Sid must have had quite a shock, and it speaks volumes for him how quickly he regained his composure.

The real enigma is Charles/Atticus.
No one here was in the particular line of work that he was groomed for
and spent years and years performing....
so maybe we don't have his stamina, his guts, his endurance...

but what we DO have (or at least many of us ,as far as I can see)

is the EXPERIENCE of years and years of building
a light body, of spiritual training that comes with intense search,
overcoming selfish tendencies in order to develop or find our more evolved SELF,
the Self that lives beyond this world of space and time...

maybe we never had psychic powers to give us a short cut to godlike powers,
and which would have only blocked that process...
only to discover that psychic powers come as a surprise bonus at the end of years of work on ourselves.

Meanwhile I must say, I DO feel for Atticus as well,
it can't have been easy for him coming here
but trust that he has the intelligence and the heart to catch up in no time...

Whoever his 5000 year old master is
I sensed his presence, and it was very, very loving....
I feel it's all going in the right direction...

[Lord Sidious]

Thank you for your advice.

I am not feaful or stressed at all dont worry : ) I am not very good at expressing myself threw the keyboard.

Simply put i don't give my consent to certain people believing they are privy to information that other's " can't handle" or " aren't ready yet"

That is pyramidal old paradigm thinking, which is just going to divide people and the forum. not fear or stress more concern for a place that I love

It isn't like that, it isn't about keeping info back.
Imagine this scene, you are just starting algebra and I come to you and start teaching you advanced calculus.
You fail.
Who REALLY failed?
I did, because I should know better. This example is a good one to show you. When someone does that, it leads to frustration in the student AND the ''teacher'' when the message is lost.


Lord Sid, if you were one of the 18 and are no longer, I hope you are not bothered too much by it. Without you in the 18 my estimation of the group would be that it is now much lesser in quality. If you were "let go" from the group because you hinted at certain information or if your actions were not approved of, then you are better off OUT of a group like that, in my opinion.

Thanks for the kind words Nancy. I appreciate the words you use to honour me.


If you were not one of the 18 but created this play for other purposes, I hope you have enjoyed it as much as I have.

Feel free to send him a PM and ask him. Atticus will not lie to you.


As far as Atticus posting today, it sure didn't feel to me like his particular "flavor" or energy. Maybe it was one of the "18" posting for him or one of his "assistants".

It was him, he told me about it before I saw it.


Atticus does not have THE truth. He has his truth, not my truth. I hope he chooses his truth wisely for he will surely get what he focuses on. Any information he might have which he thinks will affect humanity in the future might be interesting, but if it is about a dire and dark future it will not become a part of my truth, even though I would listen to it with interest. One of the consequences of accepting his words as truth is that it may become a part of your reality.

This is true, if we were discussing him and him alone. And I agree about making others truth your own, the law of attraction is very powerful indeed.
Pity more here didn't comprehend this.
I do, that is why I did not react to those kicking me, abusing me and whatever.


I will focus on creating a different timeline for myself and I'm happy to see there are others who will do this. Having fallen into the trap of believing dire warnings of global catastrophe's several times in my life, I am no longer inclined to believe anyone, especially the doomsday prophets. (but my husband and I will still have a lot of guns and ammo just because we LIKE weapons.)

That is good, but what about those who can't do that? Do we leave them behind?
I don't feel that is your intent or your reality, I am just putting this thought there for the readernuggets.
Aha! Shootin irons! I like em too. :cool:


Ho'oponopono is very powerful. When I was practicing it about 17 years ago I developed a little variation that seemed to increase it's effectiveness for me. I would jump on my rebounder while saying out loud " I love you, please forgive me, I am sorry, thank you." The longer I did it, the louder I got, the more heavily I breathed from the jumping, the HIGHER I would get. (High as in blissed out) It was pretty amazing. LOL...

The combination of pranayama (breathing), stimulating the lymph (which cleanses toxins from cells) by jumping on the rebounder, and saying the powerful ho'oponopono words was probably the major catalyst that caused me to have a kundalini opening which lasted for almost a year. I called this process the "Mini Trampoline Path to Enlightenment". Catchy label, right? But somehow it didn't seem to appeal to the more serious new age types where I lived in Ashland, Oregon. Most importantly, it gave me a lot of laughs! LOL...

Nancy :)

Your last part is very much like this thread, you do what you have to do, you do what you know you can do, you are indefatigable and your colours don't run!

[manny]

Ulli originally posted: "Meanwhile I must say, I DO feel for Atticus as well,
it can't have been easy for him coming here
but trust that he has the intelligence and the heart to catch up in no time...

Whoever his 5000 year old master is
I sensed his presence, and it was very, very loving....
I feel it's all going in the right direction.....

if Charles is wrong and has been used for disinformation.whether to his knowledge or not.
then so it be.
we have all been used for something or other in our lifetime.
if he is right with his information.
then so be it.

i for one thank him for his endeavor either way.
whatever he is trying to tell us,he may need our thoughts and love.
why?
because he is on a difficult journey,and trying to educate people.
or he has been misled(used).
i hope this makes sense .

[ulli]

Meanwhile I must say, I DO feel for Atticus as well,
it can't have been easy for him coming here
but trust that he has the intelligence and the heart to catch up in no time...

Whoever his 5000 year old master is
I sensed his presence, and it was very, very loving....
I feel it's all going in the right direction.....





if Charles is wrong and has been used for disinformation.whether to his knowledge or not.
then so it be.
we have all been used for something or other in our lifetime.
if he is right with his information.
then so be it.

i for one thank him for his endeavor either way.
whatever he is trying to tell us,he may need our thoughts and love.
why?
because he is on a difficult journey,and trying to educate people.
or he has been misled(used).
i hope this makes sense .
Now it does

[Blue]

Well Lord Sid,

Sterling effort anyway. You are very loyal, I know its because you trust them.

While we are waiting, what does Ni siochain go saoirse mean at all?

blue



Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?

I know him, you do not.
Atticus is a good man and I still trust him.
I will not speak again on this matter, please drop the topic of why I was dismissed.

[mondaze]

sorry reposting

[jjl]

It isn't like that, it isn't about keeping info back.
Imagine this scene, you are just starting algebra and I come to you and start teaching you advanced calculus.
You fail.
Who REALLY failed?
I did, because I should know better. This example is a good one to show you. When someone does that, it leads to frustration in the student AND the ''teacher'' when the message is lost.



would you teach us some algebra please? A few of us, (maybe only one) could use the lesson

[starsmoonmtns]

Can we replace the "white men" with the anglo-saxon men? It would make more sense. Although I did understand what Bill meant as soon as I read it, so I don't see how others, especially Sidius fail to see it. Maybe because you guys interpret things the way you like to interpret them?

Sid, you are not shy about your pro-white views, and if one was to examine your post contribution to this forum thoroughly, could also notice that. I respect that you are not hiding behind some made up arguments why you view things the way you do, you just do. But I don't have any respect for twisting other people's sentences and changing their context.

You are twice the age I am. One would think you can recognize the context of a sentence (we all speak and understand English here, don't we?), when one reads it.

History is clear about certain things. White anglo-saxon men (not sure there are any other types) did invade the Americas, South Africa, and Australia/New Zealand. Not something I have seen the black people do for instance. If you have an issue with history, take it to the historians and argue with them, although I don't see how one can argue with facts.

Also, I understand white pride is something very close to you, and if everybody knew this, they probably wouldn't react to your posts the way they did. They would understand. And Bill may have unintentionally hit a nerve here, and if he knew this back there he would have either word his post differently, or he would just not respond to you at all (which I think would have been a better thing to do, as you get real grumpy everytime "white race" is being mentioned in a slightly negative context).

Now can we go back on topic please?

Concerning this thread, I think I also am sick and tired of people pointing the fingers at others and criticize if they have objected to something or they have questioned it.

I'm only human and I do like to question things. I do like to have that freedom. I may not always be right about that, but I do like to have the right to do it regardless. If I'm not allowed to object, criticize and question things, then this forum is nothing better than any other forum, or the real world out there, where there is a limit to what you can criticize/object.

If one has a clean cheek of honor and integrity, and they know they are right about something, and that they are acting righteously, then they wouldn't be so against criticism and questioning. They would allow that to happen, and let those who criticize and question things, be proven wrong when the time is right.

That being said, I have seen people being very aggressive towards Bill, and his associates, mods etc. Aggressive in some cases is an understatement. I think if one needs to relay a (constructive) criticism about something, that they choose their words carefully, and make sure they don't sound too harsh or offensive. We do need to keep a level of decency here, right?

Threads like this don't do anything good except to bring two sides of a very complex equation on each other's throat (those who are critical, and those who are favoring those being critiqued). Let's focus on something else, something more productive, shall we?

We in Indian Country simply call them WASPS... White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Sorry if that offends, but that is how it is here.
; )

And Wasps sting like hell!

[mondaze]

Thank you for your advice.

I am not feaful or stressed at all dont worry : ) I am not very good at expressing myself threw the keyboard.

Simply put i don't give my consent to certain people believing they are privy to information that other's " can't handle" or " aren't ready yet"

That is pyramidal old paradigm thinking, which is just going to divide people and the forum. not fear or stress more concern for a place that I love
It isn't like that, it isn't about keeping info back.
Imagine this scene, you are just starting algebra and I come to you and start teaching you advanced calculus.
You fail.
Who REALLY failed?
I did, because I should know better. This example is a good one to show you. When someone does that, it leads to frustration in the student AND the ''teacher'' when the message is lost.

having studied advanced calculus and just scraping a pass i know exactly what you mean!

[g.k.r]

peace to everyone:)

[PurpleLama]

I think this thread has given me whiplash...

I NEED APOLOGIES!!! (kidding)

I love you all


Ho'oponopono, buddy.

[jackovesk]

knowledge is power as they say.(unfortunatley).


I have a slightly different take on that Manny,

'Knowing is the Real Power'! fortunately...

[Lazlo]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Did I miss the part where the 18 was finalized? I must have.

Is the website up yet?

[ulli]

starsmoonmtns:
We in Indian Country simply call them WASPS... White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Sorry if that offends, but that is how it is here.
; )

And Wasps sting like hell!
Let's see now:
My mind is Anglo
My body is Saxon,
My skin is whitish
My religion is Protestant

Do I sting?
only if I want to

Am I offended
squadrons of WASPS are waiting for orders...

Is it going to happen?
Naa...
Peace!

[manny]

I have a slightly different take on that Manny,

'Knowing is the Real Power'! fortunately...

of course it is.
but it should be shared equaly....

[starsmoonmtns]

We in Indian Country simply call them WASPS... White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Sorry if that offends, but that is how it is here.
; )

And Wasps sting like hell!
Let's see now:
My mind is Anglo
My body is Saxon,
My skin is whitish
My religion is Protestant

Do I sting?
only if I want to

Am I offended
squadrons of WASPS are waiting for orders...

Is it going to happen?
Naa...
Peace!

Already did!

Oh,, and Peace 2 U 2

[Lord Sidious]

Well Lord Sid,

Sterling effort anyway. You are very loyal, I know its because you trust them.

While we are waiting, what does Ni siochain go saoirse mean at all?

blue

[irish accent]The shame of it, one of our own that doesn't hear our tongue and know it[/irish accent]

It means ''No peace without freedom'' and it was an IRA saying.
Not the nuggets you are thinking of, the real one from the early part of the 20th century.



would you teach us some algebra please? A few of us, (maybe only one) could use the lesson

I will show you an algebraic equation I invented to use as a defence to a charge of assault.


A - B = C
A is the force I used.
B is the force the ''victim'' would have used.
C is the result of this and shows whether the force is reasonable or not.

The problem is, to solve the equation, you need two values, yet you have only one, that being A.
Therefore the equation can't be solved, thereby showing that reasonable force is subjective and not provable beyond reasonable doubt.
This is my own work and my friend who is a Dr of physics says it is good.

There is your algebra/law lesson of the day.
Thanks.
All cheques to my PO Box. :p

[Gajanana]

Analysing and disecting intellectual philosphies is right for some, there is only one thing appropriate for me right now and that is patience... to be still.

Sid me ol' ship-mate... :clap2:

G.

[ulli]

We in Indian Country simply call them WASPS... White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Sorry if that offends, but that is how it is here.
; )

And Wasps sting like hell!
Let's see now:
My mind is Anglo
My body is Saxon,
My skin is whitish
My religion is Protestant

Do I sting?
only if I want to

Am I offended
squadrons of WASPS are waiting for orders...

Is it going to happen?
Naa...
Peace!

Already did!

Oh,, and Peace 2 U 2

I hope you are not hurt??? Are you ok?
Healing vibes and balms abound....

[Harley]

Add it up:


Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.


Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.


The words in Atticus' post "It has become necessary..." keep resounding in my mind. What made it necessary? Was it something that was said that has made it necessary, or was it the general direction or tone of the thread?

Whatever the reason, it must have appeared obvious enough to Atticus to make it necessary to post on this thread after being silent for so long.


Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?


[...] 2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?


Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.

[manny]

To those that are empathic.
can you feel the calm.
all is good.

[Lord Sidious]

Add it up:

...
Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.

Explain what YOU think all that means if you would.

[NancyV]

I will focus on creating a different timeline for myself and I'm happy to see there are others who will do this. Having fallen into the trap of believing dire warnings of global catastrophe's several times in my life, I am no longer inclined to believe anyone, especially the doomsday prophets. (but my husband and I will still have a lot of guns and ammo just because we LIKE weapons.)

That is good, but what about those who can't do that? Do we leave them behind?
I don't feel that is your intent or your reality, I am just putting this thought there for the readernuggets.
Aha! Shootin irons! I like em too. :cool:
My view on leaving people behind is colored by a near death experience I had (and hundreds of out of body trips). When I died I did NOT want to come back! I was booted out (lovingly) and upon returning to my body after being dead I felt like I was left behind in this tiny prison of a body on battlefield earth.

I wrote this about being "Left Behind".

I was left behind
to experience, to learn
to endure
to love
I suppose it's like bringing up the rear
instead of being point man
but it pisses me off
yeah, you can get stuck when you're following
the mud is particularly sticky down here
it has a holding quality that you don't see
until you are so far within its grasp
you can't remember when you skipped along easily
nothing holding you fast
nothing restricting your movements
nothing causing you pain
I forgot to tell you (since my memory is so hazy now)
that there's a reason for all this
I just can't remember what it is.....

~~~~~~~~~~~
So... we are all left behind at one point or another for some amount of what seems to us like "time". But there is no time, nothing dies, we are here experiencing something for some reason. I just can't exactly remember why!

Nancy :)

[starsmoonmtns]

We in Indian Country simply call them WASPS... White Anglo Saxon Protestants. Sorry if that offends, but that is how it is here.
; )

And Wasps sting like hell! Let's see now:
My mind is Anglo
My body is Saxon,
My skin is whitish
My religion is Protestant

Do I sting?
only if I want to

Am I offended
squadrons of WASPS are waiting for orders...

Is it going to happen?
Naa...
Peace!

Already did!

Oh,, and Peace 2 U 2

I hope you are not hurt??? Are you ok?
Healing vibes and balms abound....

Sent U a PM ... hope that settles it between us.
And ya, there will be war.... death, destruction all around us.... by mother earth and the friken beings on it..... mark my words....
oh yah,,, and it's already happening all around the planet that those who can see and feel and are not 'blinded by the light' are 'aware' of.
; )

Be Well U.

[Jeffrey]

It isn't like that, it isn't about keeping info back.
Imagine this scene, you are just starting algebra and I come to you and start teaching you advanced calculus.
You fail.
Who REALLY failed?
I did, because I should know better. This example is a good one to show you. When someone does that, it leads to frustration in the student AND the ''teacher'' when the message is lost.


In regards to teaching others what someone else thinks they should know...

The blanketing theme for Truth is this: it is infinite and dynamic.

Therefore it cannot be taught wholly by compartmentalizing one aspect of it's grandeur (esoteric or otherwise) for distribution.

The wise man senses the Truth and moves towards it; he never looks back.

When I see the fruits another picks on their path to truth, my mouth will naturally water. If the mother forces the child to eat the vegetables, the child will develop a distaste for those vegetables albeit the vegetables are healthy.


“When the flower blooms, the bees come uninvited.” -Sri Ramakrishna


As adults, we know what food is good and nutritious for us.

There should not be any self-proclaimed authoritative complex in a friendship. The relationships we have with our friends should be one of support. We are still learning how to walk in a spiritual sense. Nobody can command me to walk and expect me to do it. It is a developmental process that I must learn by myself. It is helpful to watch others walk; that makes me think, "Okay, so that's how it's done, now let me try." I will stumble, I will fall and scrape my knee, but eventually I will get it; nobody can learn it for me.

The best help one can give to another is to lead by example. Not by attempting to impose on the free will of another.

I understand you only have Bill's best interest (and ours) at heart, because the Divine flame resides there.

For that I see you, and I thank you friend.

Much Love and Thanks to this community and all of it's beautiful members,

Vivek

[manny]

we where not created to be controlled and mindwiped as it has been
we were created to live ,love and learn.
but somewhere along the line we lost it or it was taken from us.

connection to the spiritself has been lost.
so what is the control really about?
the pyshical,the spirit.the you.

imo it is a mixture of both.whatever,whoever wants to enslave us and make us forget ,what we are ,where we come from.

it can be seen that they are failing.
just by being on this forum.

now the question is who,why,what do they actualy want.

if its the body..take it ...it,s just a vessel.

if it,s the soul,spirit...have a go.
it,s mine .
i am me.
but thank you for taking a interest.
but my soul belongs with source/god..as does yours whereever you are from.
if it,s true that there maybe mass extinction and you are aware of it,and you choose not to reveal this.
then consider.
that a great many of humanity who leave may be advancing towards source/god .
as every being in the cosmos will do.
and for those that know and choose not reveal their little secrets will be left behind.
oh you will get there eventually,just a few steps back.

[777]

Lord Sid, may I ask what it was you were after from Bill (aside from an apology, let's not drag all that up again). Was it alliegence, or to perhaps test his resolve to having his mind manipulated (not with you as the manipulator I might add, merely the tester)?

I wanted bill to do some self analysis and be honest with himself.
Not with me.
Not with you.
With himself.
The apology was merely the key to the door he has to open.

Thanks for answering buddy (and the continued dialogue, it is appreciated).

I would love your explanation of the following:

Is he Bill? Or is Bill's doing this the provocateur to Charles' door being opened?

Was your facilitating of this discourse (in this thread too) entirely your motive with no contributory influence from Charles when you were in the 18?

Please answer these honestly as your self without being cryptic, for I am publicly addressing you. Your usual drive to empower others to find out for themselves is admirable, but in this case please answer this in the concise and honest manner you answered my first one quoted. Much love and respect to you friend, and well done! Not for physical actions, but for the un-movable that is you.

[Fred259]

Add it up:

...
Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.
Explain what YOU think all that means if you would.

It means HH rolled over in his A10 Ba ba ba ba ba….,it only lasted five seconds… that’s it your done, he’s in the shower now…

#647 Atticus… It has become necessary…

#647 Ilia… knows the score!

It also means they want a ZLP Zip lip policy…


Don’t worry Lord join the resistance instead!

[Blue]

Well Lord Sid,

Sterling effort anyway. You are very loyal, I know its because you trust them.

While we are waiting, what does Ni siochain go saoirse mean at all?

blue

[irish accent]The shame of it, one of our own that doesn't hear our tongue and know it[/irish accent]

It means ''No peace without freedom'' and it was an IRA saying.
Not the nuggets you are thinking of, the real one from the early part of the 20th century.

Thanks. I know, it is shameful isnt it! I never did pay attention in Irish class, pity . . . its a lovely language!

[K626]

Sid needs to speak his mind more. :p

love

K

Ooops meant to add:

It has made interesting reading.

[gabbahh]

Great thread so far, but its getting late so have to continue reading later on.

To answer:
Q: Why did camelot split into two?
Q: Why did avalon split into two?
A: Because we are divided. Programmed to be like that. We look for differences, and create conflict. Not seeing we should be one. This One ness is not here or anywhere. Looks like TPTB are still in control, we react exactly as the dividers want.

Q: How far are we going to let all this go?
A: We need to unite. It will be either their world order, or Our World Order. So it is do or die time. No time to wait.

Q: How do we fix these issues if we don't know what the cause is?
A: We are programmed for war, conflict. We have a false artificial ego, we believe in our own truths, instead of investigating THE truth. We are on this forum to spread truths and let our different lights shine on it.

Break the programming, accept the Love.

Peace, Love, Unity, Respect.
Ton

[ace]

Well Lord Sid,

Sterling effort anyway. You are very loyal, I know its because you trust them.

While we are waiting, what does Ni siochain go saoirse mean at all?

blue

[irish accent]The shame of it, one of our own that doesn't hear our tongue and know it[/irish accent]

It means ''No peace without freedom'' and it was an IRA saying.
Not the nuggets you are thinking of, the real one from the early part of the 20th century.



would you teach us some algebra please? A few of us, (maybe only one) could use the lesson

I will show you an algebraic equation I invented to use as a defence to a charge of assault.


A - B = C
A is the force I used.
B is the force the ''victim'' would have used.
C is the result of this and shows whether the force is reasonable or not.

The problem is, to solve the equation, you need two values, yet you have only one, that being A.
Therefore the equation can't be solved, thereby showing that reasonable force is subjective and not provable beyond reasonable doubt.
This is my own work and my friend who is a Dr of physics says it is good.

There is your algebra/law lesson of the day.
Thanks.
All cheques to my PO Box. :p



Suppose:
a + b = c

This can also be written as:
4a - 3a + 4b - 3b = 4c - 3c

After reorganizing:
4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

Take the constants out of the brackets:
4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c)

Remove the same term left and right:
4 = 3

makes you think when your right you could be wrong

Regards

Ace

[jjl]

Let's see now:
My mind is Anglo
My body is Saxon,
My skin is whitish
My religion is Protestant

Do I sting?
only if I want to



Does your race define you? Not to me, although I must admit to being charmed by your accent

[Some Bloke]

Sometimes when I'm reading something in French I know what all the words mean, but the meaning of the sentence alludes me.
I'm having the same thing on this thread.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid, may I ask what it was you were after from Bill (aside from an apology, let's not drag all that up again). Was it alliegence, or to perhaps test his resolve to having his mind manipulated (not with you as the manipulator I might add, merely the tester)?

I wanted bill to do some self analysis and be honest with himself.
Not with me.
Not with you.
With himself.
The apology was merely the key to the door he has to open.

Thanks for answering buddy (and the continued dialogue, it is appreciated).

I would love your explanation of the following:

Is he Bill? Or is Bill's doing this the provocateur to Charles' door being opened?

Was your facilitating of this discourse (in this thread too) entirely your motive with no contributory influence from Charles when you were in the 18?

Please answer these honestly as your self without being cryptic, for I am publicly addressing you. Your usual drive to empower others to find out for themselves is admirable, but in this case please answer this in the concise and honest manner you answered my first one quoted. Much love and respect to you friend, and well done! Not for physical actions, but for the un-movable that is you.

The HE is bill.
This is all my own work, nothing to do with Atticus, the 18 or chop suey.



Suppose:
a + b = c

This can also be written as:
4a - 3a + 4b - 3b = 4c - 3c

After reorganizing:
4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

Take the constants out of the brackets:
4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c)

Remove the same term left and right:
4 = 3

makes you think when your right you could be wrong

Regards

Ace

How about this?
Ace = algebranugget + Uncle Sidious lightsabre = not good for algebranugget. :cool:

[mondaze]

atticus/charles said, a very long time ago, leave no-one behind, i think.... what Rob has tried to do is further that goal, i believe, and has made some significant strides. The key my avalonian friends is to not just read the text...but sense the sub text.

[Dorok]

Suppose:
a + b = c

This can also be written as:
4a - 3a + 4b - 3b = 4c - 3c

After reorganizing:
4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

Take the constants out of the brackets:
4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c)

Remove the same term left and right:
4 = 3

makes you think when your right you could be wrong

Regards

Ace

Sorry, mate, but the term (a+b-c) = 0 which means that 4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c) = 0 and removing the term would be dividing by zero = not allowed.

[kersley]

Lord Sidious.
You asked me what preparation I'm taking? I do have a plan but only if i have enough time. At least if i knew what to prepare for, i could work something out.
I have done what you requested, Please allow me to ask you the same question?

Thanking you in advance...k

[TWINCANS]

When equals merge for a greater creative potential, it is required that they be sovereign beings and masters of their own energy systems. Thus the need to examine inwardly and allow for confidence to discern, as was so aptly put by 9eagle9:


" People all the time express how the 'outside' world behave like sheeple.

A bit awkward when they exhibit the same behavior in a place that urges against it."

[ktlight]

Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.

Why then would LS say that you knew what he was doing and approved of it. I somehow find it hard to believe that he would deliberately lie? Have you dismissed him from your team? Did he really say that he represented the 18, or implied it?

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious.
You asked me what preparation I'm taking? I do have a plan but only if i have enough time. At least if i knew what to prepare for, i could work something out.
I have done what you requested, Please allow me to ask you the same question?

Thanking you in advance...k

I would prefer to answer at a later time, thanks.

[Belle]

Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.

On who's part? Given or received?

For some reason, it sounds like a warning. A reminder, perhaps? :tape:

My mind does flow in all directions when things appear cryptic.

Would you expand on this please, Harley? :unsure:

[Some Bloke]

ERRM,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ

[K626]

Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.

On who's part? Given or received?

For some reason, it sounds like a warning. A reminder, perhaps? :tape:

My mind does flow in all directions when things appear cryptic.

Would you expand on this please, Harley? :unsure:

Think it's just group dynamics at play mate. It always goes through these stages till one voice is agreed upon. That takes time and skillful leadership. Leaders are born not chosen.


Peace

K

[kersley]

Lord Sidious.
You asked me what preparation I'm taking? I do have a plan but only if i have enough time. At least if i knew what to prepare for, i could work something out.
I have done what you requested, Please allow me to ask you the same question?

Thanking you in advance...k

I would prefer to answer at a later time, thanks.

No problem. When you're ready i'll be waiting..
Thanks

[Beloved]

....."with a father that was a black activist"..... what colour would you imagine? And yes we are all many colours, but that was hardly the point I was trying to make. Piety and Zealotry go hand in hand. Namaste

[Belle]

Think it's just group dynamics at play mate. It always goes through these stages till one voice is agreed upon. That takes time and skillful leadership. Leaders are born not chosen.


Peace

K

Thanks, K. I agree. I just felt a need to put it out there.

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious.
You asked me what preparation I'm taking? I do have a plan but only if i have enough time. At least if i knew what to prepare for, i could work something out.
I have done what you requested, Please allow me to ask you the same question?

Thanking you in advance...k

I would prefer to answer at a later time, thanks.

No problem. When you're ready i'll be waiting..
Thanks

Thank you.

[K626]

I have taken care not to venture into this thread for not wanting to muddy the waters. But there are some things I need to relay.

Firstly, I take my hat off to Sid and there were times on some pages where one man stood alone against a sea of queries and implications and assumptions (only natural). The fact that he
saw it out (probably needs to catch up on sleep) can only attest to his belief in his cause THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

This thread is also a beacon that AVALON is very much alive and I thank the mods for mostly careful and sensitive interventions (looking at you Jakey boy).

The full spectrum of self-reflexive (Sid getting his mind in order) and group think counterplay (the rest of us) is open to see and this filtered out to the point where we all to a
degree became self-reflexive (started to wonder about ourselves and our motivations in here). It is not that we spoke at length (not so much me) about various abstract and concrete
issues it is that WE WERE WILLING TO SPEAK OPENLY and with our hearts (as far as I can see)...But deeper still AN UNDERSTANDING has come to pass that will hold AVALON IN GOOD
STEAD.

love to all

K

[Lord Sidious]

I have taken care not to venture into this thread for not wanting to muddy the waters. But there are some things I need to relay.

Firstly, I take my hat off to Sid and there were times on some pages where one man stood alone against a sea of queries and implications and assumptions (only natural). The fact that he
saw it out (probably needs to catch up on sleep) can only attest to his belief in his cause THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

This thread is also a beacon that AVALON is very much alive and I thank the mods for mostly careful and sensitive interventions (looking at you Jakey boy).

The full spectrum of self-reflexive (Sid getting his mind in order) and group think counterplay (the rest of us) is open to see and this filtered out to the point where we all to a
degree became self-reflexive (started to wonder about ourselves and our motivations in here). It is not that we spoke at length (not so much me) about various abstract and concrete
issues it is that WE WERE WILLING TO SPEAK OPENLY and with our hearts (as far as I can see)...But deeper still AN UNDERSTANDING has come to pass that will hold AVALON IN GOOD
STEAD.

love to all

K

People tell me that I can't swim against the current.
I tell em they are nuggets, I am a salmon.

[loveandgratitude]

To Lord Sid

[/QUOTE]Thank you very much for your trust Ilie, I don't know what I did to earn it, but it is appreciated and acknowledged.[/QUOTE]


Maybe because you have a sign saying TRUST ME???

[9eagle9]

Holy feck, are ye Irish or something?

I tell em they are nuggets, I am a salmon





I have taken care not to venture into this thread for not wanting to muddy the waters. But there are some things I need to relay.

Firstly, I take my hat off to Sid and there were times on some pages where one man stood alone against a sea of queries and implications and assumptions (only natural). The fact that he
saw it out (probably needs to catch up on sleep) can only attest to his belief in his cause THERE CAN BE NO SERIOUS DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

This thread is also a beacon that AVALON is very much alive and I thank the mods for mostly careful and sensitive interventions (looking at you Jakey boy).

The full spectrum of self-reflexive (Sid getting his mind in order) and group think counterplay (the rest of us) is open to see and this filtered out to the point where we all to a
degree became self-reflexive (started to wonder about ourselves and our motivations in here). It is not that we spoke at length (not so much me) about various abstract and concrete
issues it is that WE WERE WILLING TO SPEAK OPENLY and with our hearts (as far as I can see)...But deeper still AN UNDERSTANDING has come to pass that will hold AVALON IN GOOD
STEAD.

love to all

K

People tell me that I can't swim against the current.
I tell em they are nuggets, I am a salmon.

[Lord Sidious]

[B]To Lord Sid



Maybe because you have a sign saying TRUST ME???

This is true, but I didn't think anyone would believe a Sith Lord. :p

[loveandgratitude]

my first guess is that lord sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in lord sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

quick peoples ..................find the clue.

[Teakai]

My first guess is that Lord Sidious shared or hinted to some information that he should not have. So if this information is in Lord Sid's replies on this thread it would be very interesting to find it...

M'lord also said Atticus knew what he was saying and approved of it.

[777]

Nice choice of timelines Sid, it's just clicked. Fearlessness personified. I love you man.......

[Teakai]

Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.

*pffft*

(still love ya, though)

[loveandgratitude]

suppose:
A + b = c

this can also be written as:
4a - 3a + 4b - 3b = 4c - 3c

after reorganizing:
4a + 4b - 4c = 3a + 3b - 3c

take the constants out of the brackets:
4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c)

remove the same term left and right:
4 = 3

makes you think when your right you could be wrong

regards

ace

sorry, mate, but the term (a+b-c) = 0 which means that 4 * (a+b-c) = 3 * (a+b-c) = 0 and removing the term would be dividing by zero = not allowed.

never ever ever divide by zero's - universal law


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVr-H3pqDvY

FUNNY THINGS START HAPPENING TO THE WORLD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5hYR08uwnQ&feature=player_embedded

[edina]

I've been away all day, and have come here to discover Lord Sidious in no longer one of the 18. Sid, great job being your own man, I admire your tenacity.

But, in some ways you, and perhaps any one who wants to be a part of this is ever truly off of the team.

Because on this team, every voice counts. But, you've got to want to have a voice, first. And then be capable of making that voice your own, owning your own thoughts, feelings, perceptions,.... fill in the blank.

Sometimes, people need the space to say no, before they can realise the freedom, to say yes.

[Lord Sidious]

I've been away all day, and have come here to discover Lord Sidious in no longer one of the 18. Sid, great job being your own man, I admire your tenacity.

But, in some ways you, and perhaps any one who wants to be a part of this is ever truly off of the team.

Because on this team, every voice counts. But, you've got to want to have a voice, first. And then be capable of making that voice your own, owning your own thoughts, feelings, perceptions,.... fill in the blank.

Sometimes, people need the space to say no, before they can realise the freedom, to say yes.

Don't worry Edina, all is well in the world.

[Mike]

you don't have to be a boxing fan to know who mike tyson is. at the end of his career he couldn't win a fight. he started unravelling, threatening opponent's families. "i wanna eat your children" was 1 of his more colorful quotes. pundits started wondering aloud if mike was losing it OR if he was brilliantly promoting his fights. "is he crazy, or crazy like a fox?" great mystery surrounded tyson and his intentions. was he insane or just playing insane? trying to intimidate opponents? trying to promote the fight?

when asked years later about this very mystery, he sighed and wearily replied: "i didn't know what the f#ck i was doing."

basically, he got caught up in his own game, like siddious here. i'm slightly worried for the sanity of those of you who are reading all sorts of deep meanings into this thread. all i see are cloudy vagaries and double-talk, mixed with an unwillingness to answer direct questions with straight answers.

recall, this all started very disingenuously w/siddious manipulating a harmless bill ryan comment, painting bill in a racist light to further an agenda. taking this very weird, contrived interpretation a step further, he then "demanded an apology". and then, as if this wasn't creepy enough, he bizarrely suggested Bill needed our "help" in order to align his thinking with siddious' land of make-believe. which is very orwellian, really. was it designed to be is really the only relevant question now imo.

and this was supposed to teach us...what? something about unity? forum peace? has anything really been learned about adapting to world changes? if anything this has taught us to be paranoid about discussing race related issues, not "sensitive" as the thread title indicates. if we can't state basic facts without people getting offended, what can we safely say??? or maybe i'm not "reading between the lines". (GROAN)

9 times outta 10 if you've exhausted all logic and still cannot figure out what someone is doing, it's likely because they do not know what they're doing themselves. consider your thoughts here and how random and haphazard they can be at times, as well as opinions and intentions and so forth. if i didn't know about lord sid's previous history here as a valuable member, i might of thought he was a troll or someone trying to divide/conquer the forum with orwellian tactics, gain a following, and maybe join another forum or start one of his own. but i think he's a good guy at heart, and this is likely not the deal.

i think this was a very misguided attempt to fulfill muddled intentions that only got more muddled and misguided as things went along. like tyson, i do not believe sid really knew what he was doing and wound up talking himself in circles, and eventually, corners. once he realized this he hid behind ambiguous posts and "i'm doing this because i care" etc etc... and i believe you do care sid. just a very very misguided attempt at showing it in my opinion.

no ill-will sid. just think of me as a jedi to your sith lord. just doing my job.

[Lord Sidious]

you don't have to be a boxing fan to know who mike tyson is. at the end of his career he couldn't win a fight. he started unravelling, threatening opponent's families. "i wanna eat your children" was 1 of his more colorful quotes. pundits started wondering aloud if mike was losing it OR if he was brilliantly promoting his fights. "is he crazy, or crazy like a fox?" great mystery surrounded tyson and his intentions. was he insane or just playing insane? trying to intimidate opponents? trying to promote the fight?

when asked years later about this very mystery, he sighed and wearily replied: "i didn't know what the f#ck i was doing."

basically, he got caught up in his own game, like siddious here. i'm slightly worried for the sanity of those of you who are reading all sorts of deep meanings into this thread. all i see are cloudy vagaries and double-talk, mixed with an unwillingness to answer direct questions with straight answers.

recall, this all started very disingenuously w/siddious manipulating a harmless bill ryan comment, painting bill in a racist light to further an agenda. taking this very weird, contrived interpretation a step further, he then "demanded an apology". and then, as if this wasn't creepy enough, he bizarrely suggested Bill needed our "help" in order to align his thinking with siddious' land of make-believe. which is very orwellian, really. was it designed to be is really the only relevant question now imo.

and this was supposed to teach us...what? something about unity? forum peace? has anything really been learned about adapting to world changes? if anything this has taught us to be paranoid about discussing race related issues, not "sensitive" as the thread title indicates. if we can't state basic facts without people getting offended, what can we safely say??? or maybe i'm not "reading between the lines". (GROAN)

9 times outta 10 if you've exhausted all logic and still cannot figure out what someone is doing, it's likely because they do not know what they're doing themselves. consider your thoughts here and how random and haphazard they can be at times, as well as opinions and intentions and so forth. if i didn't know about lord sid's previous history here as a valuable member, i might of thought he was a troll or someone trying to divide/conquer the forum with orwellian tactics, gain a following, and maybe join another forum or start one of his own. but i think he's a good guy at heart, and this is likely not the deal.

i think this was a very misguided attempt to fulfill muddled intentions that only got more muddled and misguided as things went along. like tyson, i do not believe sid really knew what he was doing and wound up talking himself in circles, and eventually, corners. once he realized this he hid behind ambiguous posts and "i'm doing this because i care" etc etc... and i believe you do care sid. just a very very misguided attempt at showing it in my opinion.

no ill-will sid. just think of me as a jedi to your sith lord. just doing my job.

That's ok, I will track you down and shoot force lightning up your clacker.
Seriously though, if you got nothing from the thread, does that say more about you or me?

[Mike]

i honestly don't know sid! ;)

[astrid]

I hope everyone is paying attention to what is happening in Japan right now....

Please read.

This CONCERNS US ALL.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20384-Canada-and-US-getting-tons-of-radiation-%21

[Flash]

The thread finally had a surprising side effect on me: I am now reading each post on the whole forum and asking myself "is he/she with Atticus 17" "oh this one must be, no he is not, yes may be" " this one for sure" " nah, not him", I made a personal list, I became kind of paranoi - I will explain later more in details why the paranoi term. LOL

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Well, I noticed there have been over 20,000 viewers and many, many contributions to this thread. At first, I couldn't believe the disagreement could be happening. Then, upon later reflection, I thought that some agreement had to have been made to actually "demonstrate" the sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues. Gosh, what happened? A perfect example of just this topic. How wonderful is that?

All these differences, hurts, asking, and then demanding apologies. It was just like real life that I hoped to escape on Avalon ~ am I teasing? Anyway, this all is a perfect example of how easily things can go wrong when our 3D egos get in the way of clear thinking, taking offense, requiring forgiveness and so forth. An absolutely perfect example that we need to ascend out of and into a whole new light.

Let's be clear as mud. 3D constructs suck big time and they need to be released in a chi ball to fly into the heavens like a dove. It was Ego that came forward and spoke in this thread.

When this happens, we need to ask Ego and we all have a few ~ to sit on our shoulder like a parakeet and be real quiet. In the days ahead and if quiet; we can turn it into a Harry Potter "Snitch" to go out over the earth and heal things for us or bring back a pizza.

Much love for this very accurate example not to follow. Forgive everyone without a thought or worry again. No exceptions. If we are not open to this ~ things continue to escalate out of control and it's a real mess. Incidentally to demand anything is not a way to promote our own happiness. The last time I did that, the universe whacked me upside the head, I fell into my own bedpost and my head and ribs were bruised for weeks.

The Universe frowns on sensitivities and asks us to elevate our senses higher. Like an airplane perspective instead of ~ so up close ~ and personal. If we argue over every word, how will a new Earth come forth? Frankly, I don't want to wait much longer. It has gotten too redundant to believe my own eyes, ears, and Alter Ego anymore.

Amazing how many will show up for a car wreck, an accident, an incident, 20K ~ if that many readers flocked to something under the spirituality forum like channeling, we could change the whole world in ten seconds flat. Instead we have warnings over there but not here.

Well, I've been overcome by giggles and must close now.

Much love and a big group hug for endurance so we can move forward once again into the light of a new day! I may not be your mother but it feels like I am anyway. I am sure old enough for the job. And Sid, Bill will have more fun when I send him to his room, then you will, my Lord. Let's just think about it. xoxoxoxox

[loveandgratitude]

GOOD POINT............What was this thread about, what did we learn individually and as a group.

So this thread does not spin off ... and... be... lost ....forever in outer space, without rhyme or reason, without validation of some sort, I think this would be a good point to ask all the readers what they gained from this thread, what they learned as valuable. PLEASE CONSIDER............

I myself learned about - Ho'oponopono means to make right. Essentially, it means to make it right with the ancestors, or to make right with the people with whom you have relationships. Poeple believe that the original purpose of Ho'oponopono was to correct the wrongs that had occurred in someone's life including Hala (to miss the thing aimed for, or to err, to disobey) and Hewa (to go overboard or to do something to excess) which were illusions, and even 'Ino (to do harm, implying to do harm to someone with hate in mind), even if accidental.

THEORY: We carry inside us as parts of the Unconscious Mind, all the significant people in our lives. (These parts of us often look very much like Carl Jung's archetypes.) Ho'oponopono makes it "all right" with them. The process of Ho'oponopono is to align with and clean up our genealogy as well as to clean up our relationships with other people in our lives.

The Process of Ho'oponopono:

1. Bring to mind anyone with whom you do not feel total alignment or support, etc.

2. In your mind's eye, construct a small stage below you

3. Imagine an infinite source of love and healing flowing from a source above the top of your head (from your Higher Self), and open up the top of your head, and let the source of love and healing flow down inside your body, fill up the body, and overflow out your heart to heal up the person on the stage. Be sure it is all right for you to heal the person and that they accept the healing.

4. When the healing is complete, have a discussion with the person and forgive them, and have them forgive you.

5. Next, let go of the person, and see them floating away. As they do, cut the aka cord that connects the two of you (if appropriate). If you are healing in a current primary relationship, then assimilate the person inside you.

6. Do this with every person in your life with whom you are incomplete, or not aligned.


The final test is, can you see the person or think of them without feeling any negative emotions. If you do feel negative emotions when you do, then do the process again.


I FORGIVE YOU POWERS TO BE

I LOVE YOU

PLEASE FORGIVE ME

I AM SORRY


7389 7389 7389

[sandy]

HI,

Just wanted to say Ho'oponopono to Rob and Atticus. It could not have been easy for either of you as I feel the respect, loyalty, values and friendship between you.

IMHO I think that we all at times have loyalties to different groups in our lives>>>family, employer, friends, etc and get caught in a circumstance where we are so focused on one group, we can inadvertently lose sight of our commitment to the another and all it takes it just a moment or one wrong word sometimes.

I read all of your post LS and I not only feel how much you care about all people but especially those here at Avalon. This does not take away from your care for other groups you have affiliated yourself with and I am sure the group of 18 feel the loss greatly (suspect that Harley may be one of the 18):)

Happy to see you back in the swing today>>>>>>>>>>>>>cudo's to you my friend.

[greybeard]

I call upon the broken words
be one again!
Heal this pain that we feel for eons.


Deep in the past where time was not
We sang a tune of love.


Creating worlds and renewing hope for
all the glory that has ever to be!


So let it be!
I call upon myself from the highest instance
to the very last remnant of remembrance,
Wake up now and be love.


Stars were shining in your eyes
And your voice of divine love
was filling my heart
soothing my soul.


I call you now Tinuviel
Let us be, my love.





My friend Beren gave me permission to post this
I think it appropriate
regards
Chris

[Teakai]

That's ok, I will track you down and shoot force lightning up your clacker.
Seriously though, if you got nothing from the thread, does that say more about you or me?

HAHAHAHAHAHA that made me laugh out loud, M'lord. (nothing like a bit of violence to bring on a good belly laugh)

I got nothing from this thread either - and it says more about you. :lol:

I take that back - Beren's poem was lovely.

[Lord Sidious]

That's ok, I will track you down and shoot force lightning up your clacker.
Seriously though, if you got nothing from the thread, does that say more about you or me?

HAHAHAHAHAHA that made me laugh out loud, M'lord. (nothing like a bit of violence to bring on a good belly laugh)

I got nothing from this thread either - and it says more about you. :lol:

Glad you got a laugh, but I am wondering why it is about me?

[MMA_Fan]

It's been like watching a David Lynch film. Very strange, but compelling none the less.:confused:

Bloody mad the lot of ye!
:p

[Teakai]

Glad you got a laugh, but I am wondering why it is about me?

Because it's your hijacked thread that you were using to impart something important re: the catacylsmic world destruction and survival. Did you?

As for your being human - I already knew that - so, I learned nothing new :)

(and I don't believe for a minute that you're glad I got a laugh) :)

[Lord Sidious]

Glad you got a laugh, but I am wondering why it is about me?

Because it's your hijacked thread that you were using to impart something important re: the catacylsmic world destruction and survival. Did you?

Apart from your being human - I already knew that - so, I learned nothing new :)

(and I don't believe for a minute that you're glad I got a laugh) :)

There is far more in this thread than that.
So I would suggest that if you missed it, that is about you?

[Davidallany]

What is thy bidding Lord Sidious.

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[Noble Hops]

Call me crazy, but I think this thread just turned greybeard into a white guy. :bounce:

[Teakai]

There is far more in this thread than that.
So I would suggest that if you missed it, that is about you?

Ah, here we go again - beating around the bush.

If I missed anything it was just wa-a-a-ay too obscure - I read all the words - I just said I learned nothing from them.
Is it because I can't understand or is it because you cannot communicate the message properly?

You stated you had important things to divulge re: survival. I would like you to point out just one thing you imparted in regard to your stated mission.

If you're talking about all the love and fellowship and forgiveness that people took from this thread and gave through it - I'd say that happened despite anything you intentionally did.

[thunder24]

Ho'oponopono:

[Lord Sidious]

There is far more in this thread than that.
So I would suggest that if you missed it, that is about you?

Ah, here we go again - beating around the bush.

If I missed anything it was just wa-a-a-ay too obscure - I read all the words - I just said I learned nothing from them.
Is it because I can't understand or is it because you cannot communicate the message properly?

You stated you had important things to divulge re: survival. I would like you to point out just one thing you imparted in regard to your stated mission.

If you're talking about all the love and fellowship and forgiveness that people took from this thread and gave through it - I'd say that happened despite anything you intentionally did.

By all means, be honest with me, stop speaking to me with a forked tongue, you think I can't see through you like a sheet of glass?
Spoken with love of course. :p

[gigha]

Call me crazy, but I think this thread just turned greybeard into a white guy. :bounce:

That is brilliant :) :)

[Teakai]

By all means, be honest with me, stop speaking to me with a forked tongue, you think I can't see through you like a sheet of glass?
Spoken with love of course. :p

Of course I'll be honest with you, because I really do love you - it's not just empty words I'm bleating.
Would you rather I lied?

[gigha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAVuJ-Ji3G0&feature=fvsr

:) here is another classic :) xxx

[Lord Sidious]

By all means, be honest with me, stop speaking to me with a forked tongue, you think I can't see through you like a sheet of glass?
Spoken with love of course. :p

Of course I'll be honest with you, because I really do love you - it's not just empty words I'm bleating.
Would you rather I lied?

I didn't lie to bill, why would I want that from you?
I am curious, why do you continue to push this idea that you got nothing out of this = my fault?

[Anchor]

To answer:
Q: Why did camelot split into two?
Q: Why did avalon split into two?
A: Because we are divided. Programmed to be like that. We look for differences, and create conflict. Not seeing we should be one. This One ness is not here or anywhere. Looks like TPTB are still in control, we react exactly as the dividers want.

No WE are not.

What we are however are a collection of individuals, which will form groups of individuals according to the law of attractions.

Those groups are only really groups when you start to put your mind towards measuring some "measure". In truth we are members of many groups as measured by different qualities.

What is happening at this time is that people are changing at rates that many people do not have much experience of, and so it looks like division.

Certain groups express qualities and powers that are a threat to TPTB and attempts are made to deliberately split, however, with mixed results.


Q: How far are we going to let all this go?
A: We need to unite. It will be either their world order, or Our World Order. So it is do or die time. No time to wait.

You can keep your world order thanks, I have had quite enough of attempts at this.


Q: How do we fix these issues if we don't know what the cause is?
A: We are programmed for war, conflict. We have a false artificial ego, we believe in our own truths, instead of investigating THE truth. We are on this forum to spread truths and let our different lights shine on it.

We find methods of letting go of these artificial layers of programming. Some people take the lead and set a good example, the rest follow, occasionally extraordinary people come along and really push the process hard.

John..

[Teakai]

I didn't lie to bill, why would I want that from you?

How on earth do you see that I'm speaking with forked tongue? I have been nothing but honest with you. Point out one example where you think I've been speaking with forked tongue.



I am curious, why do you continue to push this idea that you got nothing out of this = my fault?

I'm not 'pushing' it. I mentioned it as part of the conversation and in response to your question to me. And I didn't say it was your fault. I said it said more about you than me and I gave you my reasons why - and you haven't yet given me anything to expose error in my reasoning. So, is there any?
What is it you think I ought to have learned from this 36 page thread that you were using to impart knowledge of?

[thunder24]

GOOD POINT............What was this thread about, what did we learn individually and as a group.

So this thread does not spin off ... and... be... lost ....forever in outer space, without rhyme or reason, without validation of some sort, I think this would be a good point to ask all the readers what they gained from this thread, what they learned as valuable. PLEASE CONSIDER............

I myself learned about - Ho'oponopono means to make right. Essentially, it means to make it right with the ancestors, or to make right with the people with whom you have relationships. Poeple believe that the original purpose of Ho'oponopono was to correct the wrongs that had occurred in someone's life including Hala (to miss the thing aimed for, or to err, to disobey) and Hewa (to go overboard or to do something to excess) which were illusions, and even 'Ino (to do harm, implying to do harm to someone with hate in mind), even if accidental.

THEORY: We carry inside us as parts of the Unconscious Mind, all the significant people in our lives. (These parts of us often look very much like Carl Jung's archetypes.) Ho'oponopono makes it "all right" with them. The process of Ho'oponopono is to align with and clean up our genealogy as well as to clean up our relationships with other people in our lives.

The Process of Ho'oponopono:

1. Bring to mind anyone with whom you do not feel total alignment or support, etc.

2. In your mind's eye, construct a small stage below you

3. Imagine an infinite source of love and healing flowing from a source above the top of your head (from your Higher Self), and open up the top of your head, and let the source of love and healing flow down inside your body, fill up the body, and overflow out your heart to heal up the person on the stage. Be sure it is all right for you to heal the person and that they accept the healing.

4. When the healing is complete, have a discussion with the person and forgive them, and have them forgive you.

5. Next, let go of the person, and see them floating away. As they do, cut the aka cord that connects the two of you (if appropriate). If you are healing in a current primary relationship, then assimilate the person inside you.

6. Do this with every person in your life with whom you are incomplete, or not aligned.


The final test is, can you see the person or think of them without feeling any negative emotions. If you do feel negative emotions when you do, then do the process again.


I FORGIVE YOU POWERS TO BE

I LOVE YOU

PLEASE FORGIVE ME

I AM SORRY


7389 7389 7389

should this be repeated?
peace

[gigha]

So Charles or maybe i'll just call you Jimmy i am from Glasgow :) do you have anything that you would like to say?
:ranger:

[Davidallany]

i am from Glasgow

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Greetings to the Highlanders.:clap2:

[gigha]

OK nothing to see here people please move along..
come on now just move along.. nothing to see :)

:couch2:

[Davidallany]

OK nothing to see here people please move along..
come on now just move along.. nothing to see


Aye, let's move on.

[Isostool]

you think I can't see through you like a sheet of glass?


WOW.

This thread is DEEP. :cool2:

:p

[magicmanx]

Well LS...

I take my hat off to you.....:yo: I think for the first time I can really see someone who is actually listening to us all and working with us in our questioning and this is reflected in the thread.

What a calm difference to the thousand mega threads of the Charles Material. We have come a long way and cudos to Avalon, the mods and all of us posting.

I just hope Atticus my friend, you are learning from this too. I guess every team needs a spokes person and you have got a good one here in LS :)

[edina]

Lord Sidious,

I have a question for you, it seems to me that when you began this thread, that you did so from your own volition. This seems important to me. And that you did so, because you realised that Bill needed some help. I'm going from memory here. It seemed to me that this had to do with a capacity to apologise, or to accept responsibility for how we experience things.

We are all capable of making mistakes, this is a universal human phenom. It's how we respond to our mistakes that matters.

My question is a repeat of magicmanx question, earlier, just after Atticus announcement.

However, I'm directing it to you. "Now...what could have made you do what you did in this thread?"

I think you knew the risks involved, I'd like to understand why this was so important to you?

[gigha]

Not sure at all but why has Bill not spoken on this thread since maybe page 2 or so..
Just me thinkin. Love.xx

Of course i don't know what he is doing. But Peace and Love. xxx

It just seems so quiet.... shhhh

[SKIBADABOMSKI]

He deserves a round of applause for all the entertainment he has brought to this roller coaster thread. He has gone on a major one here for the last 3 days and I bet he's knackered. At some points it was like he was taking everyone on and doing it with a speed and with an enthusiasm that was impressive and he'd still add a splash of humor and dribbles of intent and I thought he was doing great considering he was also doing PMs and stuff. Check the timing of his responses and you'd see he didn't have time to overlook anything.

Yes it may of been approved of initially but you have to remember it's a group and everyone is heard and everyone is together and it would of been a vote. I don't feel anything LS did was wrong. He was probably a tad unpredictable for comfort. Thus he was voted out. Maybe for safety reasons lol...

He's the type that'd bring in the 33 themselves and call em all nuggets lol... He's the type that could watch a man turn into a 10ft reptile that screams " I'LL KILL YOU " and he'd say " oh look ! a reptilian, have a seat old chap and watch that tail with the fire you clumsy old reptillianugget you.. here try a carrot "

I personally enjoyed the whole thread and think the old crumpet has style... lol

Ski

[Omni]

I would love to know why LS was kicked out of the 18. I know sid said to not speak of it anymore. But it's really what is on my mind.

I look forward to seeing what the 18 and Atticus does in the future here. I feel it will be quite a forum spectacle in time.

Sorry Sid, just speaking my mind. I'm not asking you :P As I feel you wont answer. Just speaking my mind...

I'm also guessing Harley is one of the 18, and may have spoke for them in one of his posts(from his perspective, not nec FOR them). Just a shot in the dark... I'm still looking for a less 'guessy' conclusion.

I am talking about this post:


Add it up:


Greetings members of Avalon,

You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.

Thank You.


Let me say this, if a member of the team and I was never not a member, rocks the boat to get your attention and you want to throw him out of the boat, it may mean that you weren't paying attention to what they said and there was no option but to rock the boat and get your attention.


The words in Atticus' post "It has become necessary..." keep resounding in my mind. What made it necessary? Was it something that was said that has made it necessary, or was it the general direction or tone of the thread?

Whatever the reason, it must have appeared obvious enough to Atticus to make it necessary to post on this thread after being silent for so long.


Rob to be dismissed in this way does it not say something about the man in whom you put your allegiance and trust?


[...] 2) He screwed up somewhere on the thread and has just been fired in public.

I do not think that Lord Sidious would lie to the forum, therefore:

He has been fired in front of our eyes.

Why?


Three Words: ALLEGIANCE - TRUST - INTEGRITY

Can't be any plainer than that.

[jackovesk]

Thine sleepeth with open mind
showeth strength and ye shall find
blessed thines will to asketh thines truth
seeketh ones virtue to right the wrongs
and ye shall findeth ones inner songs
whence thy cometh then thy go of the seasons
hence thou has thou reasons
darkness of the forrest forsaken
thou mustērion returns to awaken

[PurpleLama]

"sometimes god shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways."

I love everyone, but I really love LOVE everyone who has seen what really has happened on this thread.

and to those who don't, Ho'oponopono.

and especially Ho'oponopono to Bill, Charles, the 33, and last but not least, Lord Sidious.

sometimes divine truth is contained in a little humor, and to anyone who says "lookit that ego" ho'oponopono.

I could not possibly be more serious, Sidious.

back on the wormtounge thread, the one Bill posted as opposed to the original to be clear, I drew a circle in the sand.

forgive me, I love you, I didn't tell you at the time, the circle really encompasses the earth, avalon is just an analogue of the way things are supposed to be, how it is on god's time line, where nobody ever had to suffer. My intention. Not a goal. My intention I know already to be real. The thing that really rocked the boat. This kind of intention can not be controlled and most importantly it is NOT MINE, at least it's not mine alone. We are a rag-tag bunch, and nobody gets left behind. Unless they choose. No compulsion. No worries. I love you. Forgive me. To you, everyone.

[PurpleLama]

Not sure at all but why has Bill not spoken on this thread since maybe page 2 or so..
Just me thinkin. Love.xx

Of course i don't know what he is doing. But Peace and Love. xxx

It just seems so quiet.... shhhh

you should not miss bill's post on page 23, or so.

[Davidallany]

Not sure at all but why has Bill not spoken on this thread since maybe page 2 or so..
Just me thinkin. Love.xx

Of course i don't know what he is doing. But Peace and Love. xxx

It just seems so quiet.... shhhh
He's probably just relaxing or reading a book, he is not a machine. Only Neo is a machine.

[gigha]

Not sure at all but why has Bill not spoken on this thread since maybe page 2 or so..
Just me thinkin. Love.xx

Of course i don't know what he is doing. But Peace and Love. xxx

It just seems so quiet.... shhhh

you should not miss bill's post on page 23, or so.

Thanks PurpleLama .. xx gigha

[Mad Hatter]

A question for those claiming to have read this thread and still not see the point...
Did you begin reading at the start of the thread this one was split from?
If not, doing so may well give furher insight as to the nuances of the group dynamics at play here.

Just a thought...

[mosquito]

I've been sitting here staring at my screen for the last 20 minutes debating whether or not to say anything. As you can (hopefully) see, I've decided to speak.
I don't know whether I'm alone in feeling like I've been made a fool of, been a pawn in someone's mind game. am I ?
Following the post by "Atticus" the other day, I decided to observe, and what I observed was an influx of "ooh goody goody, welcome back" type posts, which didn't really add to the thread, they are simply more evidence of the sycophancy I talked about 16-odd pages ago. LS remained conspicuously absent, until Illie gave him a marvelous opening. Since then, we're back to the cryptic messages, interspersed with everyone being all lovey-dovey. So actually, I DON'T see the "point" of this thread, which doesn't mean I haven't got anything from it. There have been some wonderful, inspirational posts, and my situation now is that I've had all manner of childhood/ early adulthood emotions triggered (which is good, but very painful), to do with abandonment, being part of a game where no-one bothers to tell me the bloody rules (and I bet I'm not alone there) and the biggy - TRUST.
In the true spirit of hippo-whatever-the-hell-it's-called, I'm also examining all those places in my psyche which have created this, and am starting to heal them (got my work cut out !), so I AM NOT pointing fingers at anyone, or blaming, just stating my feelings. So, take all that as you wish, I'm a grown man, I teach children but I'm not afraid to admit that RIGHT NOW I feel like a very hurt little child, and if the coming days of pain can help any of you in any way, that's great.
Philip

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his curiosity cap...

To my mind it would seem that the sticky issue of integrity has been raised yet again....

We have Lord Sidious and his claim of memebership of the 18, (now defunct?)...
We have the statement, eloquent or not, by Atticus that LS does not (now?) speak from the 18...
We have the post by Illie questioning why such a thing might have occurred...
We have the post by Harley Hawkins joining certain dots...
We have LS asking HH for an expansion on the dot joining...

So, with respect, we have an opportunity for at least two people above to show us their brand of integrity, no?
Or, can we assume by the ongoing sound of crickets, they have already done so.

Unsure of how many lives he might have used up Mad Hatter quickly removes his curiosity cap...

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sidious,

I have a question for you, it seems to me that when you began this thread, that you did so from your own volition. This seems important to me. And that you did so, because you realised that Bill needed some help. I'm going from memory here. It seemed to me that this had to do with a capacity to apologise, or to accept responsibility for how we experience things.

We are all capable of making mistakes, this is a universal human phenom. It's how we respond to our mistakes that matters.

My question is a repeat of magicmanx question, earlier, just after Atticus announcement.

However, I'm directing it to you. "Now...what could have made you do what you did in this thread?"

I think you knew the risks involved, I'd like to understand why this was so important to you?

Because I can feel that it will become important.
Not just to bill and avalon either.


He deserves a round of applause for all the entertainment he has brought to this roller coaster thread. He has gone on a major one here for the last 3 days and I bet he's knackered. At some points it was like he was taking everyone on and doing it with a speed and with an enthusiasm that was impressive and he'd still add a splash of humor and dribbles of intent and I thought he was doing great considering he was also doing PMs and stuff. Check the timing of his responses and you'd see he didn't have time to overlook anything.

Yes it may of been approved of it initially but you have to remember it's a group and everyone is heard and everyone is together and it would of been a vote. I don't feel anything LS did was wrong. He was probably a tad unpredictable for comfort. Thus he was voted out. Maybe for safety reasons lol...

He's the type that'd bring in the 33 themselves and call em all nuggets lol... He's the type that could watch a man turn into a 10ft reptile and scream " I'LL KILL YOU " and he'd say " oh look ! a reptilian, have a seat old chap and watch that tail with the fire you clumsy old reptillianugget you.. here try a carrot "

I personally enjoyed the whole thread and think the old crumpet has style... lol

Ski

How dare you Skinugget.
I am not old.:p

Seriously, thanks for the vote of confidence. What I did/am doing is nothing to do with the 18. This is me and always was.


I've been sitting here staring at my screen for the last 20 minutes debating whether or not to say anything. As you can (hopefully) see, I've decided to speak.
I don't know whether I'm alone in feeling like I've been made a fool of, been a pawn in someone's mind game. am I ?
Following the post by "Atticus" the other day, I decided to observe, and what I observed was an influx of "ooh goody goody, welcome back" type posts, which didn't really add to the thread, they are simply more evidence of the sycophancy I talked about 16-odd pages ago. LS remained conspicuously absent, until Illie gave him a marvelous opening. Since then, we're back to the cryptic messages, interspersed with everyone being all lovey-dovey. So actually, I DON'T see the "point" of this thread, which doesn't mean I haven't got anything from it. There have been some wonderful, inspirational posts, and my situation now is that I've had all manner of childhood/ early adulthood emotions triggered (which is good, but very painful), to do with abandonment, being part of a game where no-one bothers to tell me the bloody rules (and I bet I'm not alone there) and the biggy - TRUST.
In the true spirit of hippo-whatever-the-hell-it's-called, I'm also examining all those places in my psyche which have created this, and am starting to heal them (got my work cut out !), so I AM NOT pointing fingers at anyone, or blaming, just stating my feelings. So, take all that as you wish, I'm a grown man, I teach children but I'm not afraid to admit that RIGHT NOW I feel like a very hurt little child, and if the coming days of pain can help any of you in any way, that's great.
Philip

Philip, when that post by Atticus was put up, I was asleep.
That was the first good sleep I had since this started. I woke up and started reading the thread just before Ilie posted.
The entire point of what is in this thread is that you find what I was doing.
It can't be hard, I spelt it out at least twice in my posts.

[sandy]

I've been sitting here staring at my screen for the last 20 minutes debating whether or not to say anything. As you can (hopefully) see, I've decided to speak.
I don't know whether I'm alone in feeling like I've been made a fool of, been a pawn in someone's mind game. am I ?
Following the post by "Atticus" the other day, I decided to observe, and what I observed was an influx of "ooh goody goody, welcome back" type posts, which didn't really add to the thread, they are simply more evidence of the sycophancy I talked about 16-odd pages ago. LS remained conspicuously absent, until Illie gave him a marvelous opening. Since then, we're back to the cryptic messages, interspersed with everyone being all lovey-dovey. So actually, I DON'T see the "point" of this thread, which doesn't mean I haven't got anything from it. There have been some wonderful, inspirational posts, and my situation now is that I've had all manner of childhood/ early adulthood emotions triggered (which is good, but very painful), to do with abandonment, being part of a game where no-one bothers to tell me the bloody rules (and I bet I'm not alone there) and the biggy - TRUST.
In the true spirit of hippo-whatever-the-hell-it's-called, I'm also examining all those places in my psyche which have created this, and am starting to heal them (got my work cut out !), so I AM NOT pointing fingers at anyone, or blaming, just stating my feelings. So, take all that as you wish, I'm a grown man, I teach children but I'm not afraid to admit that RIGHT NOW I feel like a very hurt little child, and if the coming days of pain can help any of you in any way, that's great.
Philip

Dear Mariposafe,

Boy can I relate to you and your story as this is how I too felt, played with like a pawn and abandoned with the Charles fiasco. Only my dismay was with Bill as he completely withdrew from the whole process he started and I believed and trusted him and did not know anything of Charles. Thus, my childhood issues of neglect and abandonment came rushing forward once again but even though I knew they were my issues to take responsibility for the sting was still there. My heart goes out to you, I love you and I am sorry for the pain you are experiencing.

The one thing Rob did was stay and continue to interact and explain and answer questions. I respect him for that and he cares just like I said in one of my previous posts. Rob's actions show he cares, even if this whole thing was a little skewed and he may have lost face but he hung in with us. This takes courage just like your courage to walk through your pain. Thank you for sharing your heart with us and even though you feel like a little child your actions are those of a very loving man. Please love you too as that is what the pain needs you to do. Ho'oponopono Sweetie:)

[Lord Sidious]

Dear Mariposafe,

Boy can I relate to you and your story as this is how I too felt, played with like a pawn and abandoned with the Charles fiasco. Only my dismay was with Bill as he completely withdrew from the whole process he started and I believed and trusted him and did not know anything of Charles. Thus, my childhood issues of neglect and abandonment came rushing forward once again but even though I knew they were my issues to take responsibility for the sting was still there. My heart goes out to you, I love you and I am sorry for the pain you are experiencing.

The one thing Rob did was stay and continue to interact and explain and answer questions. I respect him for that and he cares just like I said in one of my previous posts. Rob's actions show he cares, even if this whole thing was a little skewed and he may have lost face but he hung in with us. This takes courage just like your courage to walk through your pain. Thank you for sharing your heart with us and even though you feel like a little child your actions are those of a very loving man. Please love you too as that is what the pain needs you to do. Ho'oponopono Sweetie:)

The only reason I went through with this is that I care enough to do it.
If I did not, I would not have started it.
I don't know how I lost face, it is what it is.
And as I said, I am indefatigable and my colours don't run, I will not abandon anyone.

[ViralSpiral]

Hi Mariposafe

Wherever you go, there you are.
If people have not reacted or interacted according to one"s expectations, then participating and being mindful expands the collective. "Not pointing fingers" is what one does to gain insight into missing links. All is welcome. There cannot be a right or wrong with this thread. There are no rules. It evolved. We have the privilege of choice, so I thank you for "being here", albeit a tad confused. Me three....... but that makes me happy too :)

((hugs))

P.s. Teach your children well

[Davidallany]

participating and being mindful expands the collective
Very true, and very real.

[sandy]

Hi Lord Sidious,

I hear you and appreciate you very much. I did say "May" have lost face re: Atticus' post, but then I'm not surprised to hear you did not. Your sovereignty and steadfastness shines through once again:)

[Lord Sidious]

Hi Lord Sidious,

I hear you and appreciate you very much. I did say "May" have lost face re: Atticus' post, but then I'm not surprised to hear you did not. Your sovereignty and steadfastness shines through once again:)

Ok, thanks. Just checking what you meant, you know the deal, if you don't know, ask.

[sandy]

Hi Lord Sidious,

I hear you and appreciate you very much. I did say "May" have lost face re: Atticus' post, but then I'm not surprised to hear you did not. Your sovereignty and steadfastness shines through once again:)

Ok, thanks. Just checking what you meant, you know the deal, if you don't know, ask.


Hi LS,

Don't need to know the deal< I know you:)

[learninglight]

Hi all and good morning from Glastonbury; the sun has its hat on, birds are singing and i'm all cosy in the tent:cool:

Imo one persons bad is anothers good and vis versa, once all the conditioning has gone we will all be nothing but loving so there will be no inequality or race issues

As for the truth of things, personaly i don't think we will ever find the whole truth because it's been so mish mashed up along the way, and when someone wants to go the whole hog and put something of their version of truth out there there are rules and regs stopping them, it's like we are just not meant to know, why is this! I know you will say 'TBTB' are stopping it coming out but something just doesn't sit right with me about the whole thing, oh well time for a cuppa

Rob (lord Sid) Your a very good person, always willing to share info and help whenever you can, don't let the poke in the eye with a carrot deter you

Much love
learninglight

[Lord Sidious]

Hi all and good morning from Glastonbury; the sun has its hat on, birds are singing and i'm all cosy in the tent:cool:

Imo one persons bad is anothers good and vis versa, once all the conditioning has gone we will all be nothing but loving so there will be no inequality or race issues

As for the truth of things, personaly i don't think we will ever find the whole truth because it's been so mish mashed up along the way, and when someone wants to go the whole hog and put something of their version of truth out there there are rules and regs stopping them, it's like we are just not meant to know, why is this! I know you will say 'TBTB' are stopping it coming out but something just doesn't sit right with me about the whole thing, oh well time for a cuppa

Rob (lord Sid) Your a very good person, always willing to share info and help whenever you can, don't let the poke in the eye with a carrot deter you

Much love
learninglight

Thanks for that.
Are you near the Tor?

[learninglight]

Yes Rob
About 10mins away by foot i can see it clearly from here
Don't go into town much only to do bit food shopping as i get bad vibes when i go in there! But here on the campsite it's amazing, feels so right to be here:cool:

[Lord Sidious]

Yes Rob
About 10mins away by foot i can see it clearly from here
Don't go into town much only to do bit food shopping as i get bad vibes when i go in there! But here on the campsite it's amazing, feels so right to be here:cool:

Any chance you could take a pic or two and upload em?
You are in magical territory.

[777]

Yes Rob
About 10mins away by foot i can see it clearly from here
Don't go into town much only to do bit food shopping as i get bad vibes when i go in there! But here on the campsite it's amazing, feels so right to be here:cool:

Any chance you could take a pic or two and upload em?
You are in magical territory.

Aren't the energies there just gorgeous?! Please upload some pics for us. I feel a pull Somerset and Wiltshire whenever I'm not there.......

[learninglight]

I know it's so very magical and right smack bang on the laylines too (as you prob know but just incase others don't)
Yes of course will do over the weekend, would do it now but i'm crap with anything technical even struggle with my phone lol
I will take a few and get my partner to up load:cool:

Much love

[Lord Sidious]

I know it's so very magical and right smack bang on the laylines too (as you prob know but just incase others don't)
Yes of course will do over the weekend, would do it now but i'm crap with anything technical even struggle with my phone lol
I will take a few and get my partner to up load:cool:

Much love

Excellent, that would be great.
And the same to you and yours.

[777]

To those struggling to get this, I offer a potential explanation. This is how I see it, which could be completely wrong but it's what I've taken from this thread regardless and am always happy have my mind changed!

The simples of the situation were thus:

* A remark was made by Bill that could be perceived to be racist.
* LS called him on this and demanded an apology.
* Bill refused and a semantics game of tug and war ensued.
* LS stuck to his guns.
* Bill stuck to his guns.
* Bill made a last post excusing himself from the thread.
* Everyone gets lovey dovey (which is nice to see!) and here we are.

Within that set of simples what have we learned?

* Bill is strong man, who will not be pushed around by anyone, probably from years of having it done to him.
* This brings into question the integrity of non-apology.
* Lord Sidius fears no rank or percieved status of someone, he'll still call them out for right or wrong.
* We are very lucky to have both in our midst and blessed to watch them spar and know it's ok to do this, we're growing.
* Ho'oponopo, wow what a revelation.

Now with those very straight forward things in the bag, we have to question motive (stick with me on this). What would make Lord Sidius go so vocal and push for this apology so hard he was almost like a man posessed? I for one know that he leaves no man down. Given that he's been privy enough to some of Atticus' knowledge I think it's very safe to presume there was a heck of a lot at stake in Bill's actions, sufficient even for Charles to get back involved (or at least someone posting as him with his permission).

Couple that with Bill and Inelias' awsome work with energy bodies and picking our timelines, changing them constantly and for the better. Do you think LS and Charles are not aware of this concept too? Do you not think maybe the two of them could have been looking at Bill's behaviour and then getting seriously worried for him on his behalf (totally selflessly I might add)?

Imagine in the 3d world Avalon is taken to task. It doesn't take a genius to see that Bill could easily be framed. Now imagine the higher dimension we are all operating on too (if you buy into that.......which I very much do I might add). Imagine knowing (as charles and sid do) that time (and I quote) "isn't what you think (got it now charles, cheers)". Do you not think that charles and LS are perhaps privy to information not of this timeline and that every single little energetic transaction is changing the future (best crude word for it) RIGHT NOW?

THAT (imo) is why this thread is of monumental importance. Here we have Bill publicly making an error and LS desperately and admirabley (fearing for Bill's safety) trying to get him to back track. Inelia was discussing (can't recall the word she used) crossroads or conduits where important decisions are executed, which change a timeline. I feel that has happened.

I see Atticus' re-emergance as a respectful nod to Avalon......."carry on guys, you're getting there", otherwise he simply wouldn't have bothered.

These are very very exciting times my gorgeous species. I would ask everyone to see underneath LS's confrontational exterior and grant him with the intelligence and integrity to be doing things for a reason, not just popping off shots randomly.

Does anyone resonate with this?

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I know it's so very magical and right smack bang on the laylines too (as you prob know but just incase others don't)
Yes of course will do over the weekend, would do it now but i'm crap with anything technical even struggle with my phone lol
I will take a few and get my partner to up load:cool:

Much love

Excellent, that would be great.
And the same to you and yours.

Brilliant, thanks learninglight, look forward to it. Love straight back at you bunch too.......enjoy!

[Donna O]

.......
THAT (imo) is why this thread is of monumental importance. Here we have Bill publicly making an error and LS desperately and admirabley (fearing for Bill's safety) trying to get him to back track. Inelia was discussing (can't recall the word she used) crossroads or conduits where important decisions are executed, which change a timeline. I feel that has happened. !

I disagree; I don’t think Bill made an error. After all, he was generous enough to create this thread to specifically discuss how Lord Sidious had misinterpreted his words and to further explore the subject of sensitivity and language related to racism.

To me, that was a mark of respect and understanding to the offense his words may have created and worth far more than a simple ‘I’m sorry I upset you’. He brought the incident out into plain view into a thread of it’s own to use as a learning tool for us all as a community. How is that an error?

[jjl]

I think Lord Sid was showing us a mirror. That would explain why I didnt get it. I am distracted by reflections.

[mosquito]

Hi again, Special thanks to :

Sandy - You have no idea (a rhetorical device, you obviously do !) how good it feels to be heard - bless you

Rob - One of the reasons I hesitated in posting was that I also had quite a strong voice telling me you weren't bull****ting. I'd previously thought I'd understood what was going on, and I then found my emotional response was so strong, THAT was what I needed to focus on, and I still do. I'm getting there. I want you to know that I respect you for coming back on and continuing the thread, that takes an enormous amount of guts. (as it does to admit feeling like a blubbering little boy, well done me !)

Thank you to anyone else who also felt what I was feeling.
This is what being human is about, accepting and healing one's hurts and moving forward, speaking your truth in the moment it needs to be spoken, supporting others with open hearts.