View Full Version : Timelines, what are your views? A focus: Inelia's claim of timelines....
I don't mind any talk of timelines in this thread, but what I will be mainly addressing and asking for feedback on, is this post by Bill:
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Dear Friends,
[snip of off topic stuff by me]
Please see the last few minutes (starting at 12:46) of the trailer of Inelia's interview (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4) to understand how timelines work. I (and Inelia) have chosen a timeline in which no terrible catastrophe occurs. Others are welcome to join us.
Here's the lowdown - and it's important to fully understand:
If anyone wants to experience such an incident as Lord Sidious would like us to believe may occur no matter what, then they're totally free to do so. It's not my role to convince others not to play a particular game if that's what they want to do, for whatever reasons of their own.
A word of caution which is 100% serious: if you agree to be convinced that this kind of thing will occur, that you may (consciously or unconsciously) buy into the idea and therefore change your own timeline. This is how it works.
Friendly advice: don't do that. Much easier than stockpiling on food, guns and gold. I didn't come to Planet Earth to do that. The future I experience will be very different. I invite any of you to experience that with me.
If any of that made little sense, or seemed confusing, then (I ask you again) do watch the interview trailer (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_trailer.mp4) starting at 12:46. Thanks.
A transcript of that section:
Inelia: Each individual on the planet has control over their own timeline. And that's one of the things that the elite don't want you to know.
Because if the person is able to change their timeline, they're not going to choose one where they're enslaved for the rest of their life.
They're going to choose one where they can manifest whatever they like, and live wherever they like, and have a beautiful life.
So when we're talking about "how we change the timeline", the correct question would be "have I changed my timeline" - and joining with those others who want the same timeline that I want.
Bill: Now... I've got the visual metaphor of "the timeline" as actually being this big braided rope made up of millions of little threads which are intertwined in any number of different permutations to make a timeline.
And each one of us creates that thread as we wish, and aligns ourselves with others who are creating their threads as they wish...
Inelia: Exactly. And you have a conscious choosing of that thread, and threading, and joining. You no longer have enslavement. It's impossible.
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I personally do not resonate at all with this explanation of timelines. To each their own. I am very open to being wrong.
The reason why I do not agree, is I am basically mind controlled against my will continuously at times throughout the day. I have been getting mind controlled against my will since I was a child. Much before I had much of a conceptual understanding of this planet. And before I consciously chose much at all. When asking Inelia to view me and how I am controlled she responded(paraphrasing):
Inelia: 'I sense static and interference'
Now I am very open to being wrong. And welcome any conflicting views in this thread, but expect a debate from me here if it does not prove cleanly that I am wrong. Anyone who lives a happy life could easily buy this theory. But I see direct evidence against it. I am living evidence(to myself at least) that you do not believe your reality into existence. My life as it stands now was unimaginable by me prior to it happening.
Maybe I do not understand the mechanics of it though. From what I get of the post Bill and Inelia are saying you choose your own timeline.... From what age? I see all kinds of problems with this. Other people are in your same timeline. We don't disappear.
If Bill chooses a timeline, and I do not, I'm still in his timeline even in his theory, I just at some point go on my own timeline and have a copy of me in his and vice versa. Unless Inelia is saying at some point the world will have maybe a billion people just mysteriously disappear...
I certainly did not pick my situation. Before I became aware of my mental lack of free will, I had complete faith in the universe. I had synchronicity with the world(beyond sensing some darkness involved in it's inner workings). I had faith I could beat just about anything presented to me. I had faith ETs were enlightened, and not out to hurt me in any way. I had a complete faith in the universe providing for me. I had an outlook that I chose my reality. That what I project is at times what I get. I even had a belief something close to what Bill is saying, that people can consciously choose their life in ways. I still believe in a lot of that, but it has been pretty much proven to me there are elements of truth to those words, and elements of falsity. Any bigwig CEO will tell(as I am good friends with a former president/CEO of major companies) that what you project in terms of optimism is at times key to achieving your goals. I do not dispute that. I dispute that believing in a timeline will change yours. I dispute that we as individuals can choose our own individual timeline.
Much of the views I had have changed after so muc torture, so much subversion, so much of my free will being subverted, it has been bludgeoned out of me. And it was not my choice. It was done by beings inhabiting the same timeline as I am. I am capable of holding optimism, positive feelings for the future and my life, etc. Even though by observation it has been proven to me, we do not just make our own reality. That much is clear to me. We inhabit reality with other beings. They have a role in reality too. It's a delusion to think that you cannot be affected by other beings in your own reality IMO. I believe the same players are in my timeline, as in Bill's, and Inelia's.
Much of this seems to forget the element of others in your same timeline. What do the "elite" do in Bill's timeline that he chose? What about their technology? Their agenda? Does Bill choose a timeline where they don't use it? I find that hard to believe. There may be holes in my reasoning right now though... I welcome anyone who can expose them to me(including Bill or Inelia).
I do not aim to sway people to my own view in making this thread. I am more interested in other people's experiences. Do you feel you chose this timeline(not counting pre-incarnation or on a soul level, I mean consciously in this lifetime)? Personally if I could choose one it wouldn't be where I am. And I see absolutely nothing in my previous beliefs and choices to merit what I have gotten out of the timeline I am in. I believed I was protected before all this happened to me. Oh how that theory has changed. It's a theory not a fact. It's very easy to harbor a theory that you are protected from the groups that have violated me in pretty much every way they could, if they choose to not focus on you.... But I fail to see how anyone could stop them, minus ETs or a force equal or greater in power intervening or protecting them.
The ideas of timelines is a very interesting one, and I welcome any discussion about timelines from anyone in this thread. If I decide the topic of this thread, it is timelines in general. Anything within the realm of timelines is, IMO, on topic. But I do hope to get some views on people who think they chose their own timeline, or did not.
If what Inelia is saying is true, she has one(in my mind) likely fatal flaw to the theory IMO. Here is where the flaw occurs:
Each individual on the planet has control over their own timeline. And that's one of the things that the elite don't want you to know.
Because if the person is able to change their timeline, they're not going to choose one where they're enslaved for the rest of their life.
I never chose my situation in this lifetime... But my point is, people do not just poof out of nowhere into their own timeline if they chose a different one. If this theory has any validity, copies or unique persons inhabit each timeline. The "elite" would have people in their timeline no matter what, as they certainly know they can choose their timeline too. I doubt they would care that certain perception points(souls) chose one and evaded their planned future here as they would still be inhabiting the enslavement timeline just as a different being. Unless there is a time where we just poof out of existence into a new Universe/timeline. I don't see that as likely personally.
Why would the elite not want us to be able to change our own timeline, when they could equally change their own. There would be people in their own timeline, again, we don't just poof out of existence because we change timelines do we? I just don't see this theory as true personally. If it was, the elite would have copies of people to enslave no matter what timeline our personal vantage point goes to. We don't just disappear. One of us would be experiencing their timeline likely no matter what. An exact copy of us. Unless this theory is more workable beyond my present thoughts, I don't see this as a working theory on timelines.
I could see the majority of humanity affecting THE timeline, by projecting what they want out of it. I could believe that(or, as I do, give it some credence as being possible). Perhaps Inelia just needs to explain timelines more in depth, and any flaw i find would be an illusory one based on lack of knowledge.
But do you see my quarrel with this theory?
If you can resolve this flaw, please feel free to do so Bill/Inelia/anyone else. There are enough angles to things there may be a solution(which could be just as delusional, or true). Or you could just bend the words to a new part of it and say "If enough of us do a timeline, they have to join us". Well if Inelia and Bill have already independently chose their timeline, how does that work? Now it's adding a group effect and quite blatantly put, it shows Bill's comment as potentially wrong.
I did not choose to be controlled(unless possibly you count me choosing this life before I incarnated), someone else or other group in the same timeline as me chose to control me with their technology. This is my observation, and it happened completely independent of me believing in it or not.
I will be running an experiment about this. I am not saying I know 100% this theory and apparent belief by Inelia and Bill is wrong. I will be trying my hardest to choose a timeline where I am not mind controlled. I am totally open minded about it. I have numerous times since reading this tried to choose a new timeline where I am not mind controlled. Working? Nope... This change will be evident to me almost immediately if it happens.
My question to you. Do you see evidence you chose your timeline? Or not. If you have, or have not, please reply with your thoughts if you have the time. I would appreciate it anyway...
May the Truth be Revealed,
-Omni
Thanks for starting this thread. I had a similar response.
Timelines, densities, dimensions ... easy to get bewildered.
One thing I found interesting. It may or may not have relevance here but I will throw it out.
Wilcock when talking about the "looking glass" technology suggested that all those who participated encountered a "blank space" (paraphrasing) when it got to the 2012 date. After that what everyone saw was (allegedly) based on their personal level of consiousness. In other words if the viewer was a "positive" person his resonance would return a similar outlook for "the future".
If that was truly a peep into the future(s) then PERHAPS at that point timelines are shifted for all based on their own personal vibration.
Who knows?
Just throwin out a bone from the "cheap seats" at the Nuggetville Gaming Center :dirol:
Thanks for starting this thread. I had a similar response.
Timelines, densities, dimensions ... easy to get bewildered.
One thing I found interesting. It may or may not have relevance here but I will throw it out.
Wilcock when talking about the "looking glass" technology suggested that all those who participated encountered a "blank space" (paraphrasing) when it got to the 2012 date. After that what everyone saw was (allegedly) based on their personal level of consiousness. In other words if the viewer was a "positive" person his resonance would return a similar outlook for "the future".
If that was truly a peep into the future(s) then PERHAPS at that point timelines are shifted for all based on their own personal vibration.
Who knows?
Just throwin out a bone from the "cheap seats" at the Nuggetville Gaming Center :dirol:
Thanks for that, it's valued. Honestly I am hoping what Inelia says is true. I want to be in a different timeline than the one I see taking place. But I'd like to see someone debunk the logic shown in my first post. I will be debating the points presented from my OP point of view, as to potentially show a clearer picture, not to be right.
Hi Omniverse,
I dont really understand what they mean by timeline - do they mean that you can actually choose where, how and what era you want to live in or do they mean that you can choose your own destiny. If they mean the first notion I feel that it is the stuff of fairytales (though fairytales do come true but maybe in a different timeline) but if they mean the second notion then I think its not such a radical idea.
From what I see of life around me, I understand it that most peoples lives are a mixture of actively choosing what life you want like what you want to do for a living, where you want to live and all that and dealing with what life throws at you. I thiink luck is involved too.
I am not convinced though that you can manifest a big house in the country by drawing a picture of it and sticking it on your fridge door like they advise in "The Secret". I think anything you want to achieve and do achieve is by lots of hard work, a bit of luck and positive thoughts. Money helps too.
Is this opinion just a reflection of my state of conciousness?!
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sandy
13th May 2011, 07:20
Dear Omniverse,
I believe that Bill and Inelia are presenting a theory around something that has yet to be a proven fact. As Calz_Avaretard says, timelines, dimensions, densities many theories about them all and each explanation subjective to the one experiencing it.
IMHO I chose to come here in this timeline or else I wouldn't be here. That means to me I came to evolve on this planet and in this timeline and help Mother Earth and Humanity evolve. I believe as a united consciousness we may evolve together to a new timeline>>>>>passing that test as a planet and civilization is the urgency many are feeling. I personally will stay here with Mother Earth and all her creations working together for the good of all humankind.
To each there own but this is what feels good and right to me:)
TraineeHuman
13th May 2011, 07:50
It seems to me that using the word “timeline” here is confusing, because that word is so vague and ambiguous and fuzzy-edged in meaning. I would prefer the word “intention”. In a major sense, it really is true that “intention is everything”. And that if an individual’s intention is truly strong enough then that does have a vastly bigger effect on what happens to them than most people, or science, would consider plausible, or even possible. We tend to suppose that one ordinary individual is too small to make a huge difference. However, we are far more closely interconnected with everything in the entire universe than most people would probably even allow themselves to imagine. Even strictly within the physical world, it’s quite literally a mathematical fact that a butterfly beating its wings can cause a hurricane, or a very beautiful day, on the other side of the planet.
I guess Bill and Inelia are saying something like that, but an even stronger version. I don’t agree with their stronger version. However, a person’s true intention comes from deep within. It can cut through any egoic mind or conditioning, even when it’s an abnormally heavy burden like Omniverse carries.
To me a “timeline” is some kind of “possible universe”. But what is a “universe”, exactly? Indeed, what is time, exactly, given that the truth is it doesn’t “flow” but all pasts and futures are happening right now? And what are “you” really, when the truth is that at an ultimate level you’re at least as big and great as “the universe”?
I don’t know if anybody has read Thornton Wilder’s The Bridge of San Luis Rey. It opens with something like a dozen people all being suddenly killed when a bridge collapses. Then it goes into flashbacks covering each of their lives. We gradually see that at some very subconscious level every one of those people probably had a desire to die on that bridge that day, even though at a conscious level they didn’t know it.
Davidallany
13th May 2011, 07:57
Somethings are a direct experience, rather than only logic and imaginations. Like Morpheus says to Neo " Walking the path is different from knowing the path"
ponda
13th May 2011, 07:59
From one perspective there might be a link between consciously trying to get yourself onto a positive timeline and the 'blank space' around 2012 that Calz mentioned.
Getting one's self onto a positive timeline might also be interpreted as raising your vibration....thinking positive,doing the right thing,raising your awareness etc.This could be important as we approach 2012/13.There have been a few instances where the 2012 'blank space' has been observed.The 'looking glass' example that Calz mentioned and also Cliff High mentioned something about all of their webbot forecasts went blank around the same time for some reason.
Why does this happen around 2012 ? Well i suspect that the universe knows but isn't telling.That's for us to find out.
norman
13th May 2011, 08:17
This is a fascinating and very 'now' issue to get a discussion going on.
But, if I'm going to stay in it past 1 post, it's going to have to be a discussion that excludes fiction.
The biggest problem with trying to get my head around the issues of timelines and consciousness shifts etc is that I completely 'lose it' as soon as anyone mentions some movie plot or great book of fiction.
I'd even argue that all the serious stuff we could be discussing here is almost completely pre nobbled by the mass immersion in fiction.
To all proponents of timeline shifting, I say this at the outset:
Drop the references to works of fiction and learn a new language with the rest of us.
Even if chasing creations of fiction down the path of realisation was a good idea, I still wouldn't want to be guided by the sorts of people who actually write that stuff for Hollywood.
I'm bored and sick of being expected to take a lead from professional illusionists. I want to hear a fresh and truly real explanation of the inclinations of others, especially on the subject of timeline shifting.
I got that off my chest.
FrankoL
13th May 2011, 08:18
The timeline would be for instance like moving yourself from A to B. Therefore your actions are your timeline. If you add choices one might have than timeline is not linear but it looks exactly like a tree.
I am not sure about the possibility of changing it. I would rather say no, it is not possible. The tree of life is definite there is no other way. That is what you get. Why is difficult to predict the future, because one has so many choices he/she might take.
loveandgratitude
13th May 2011, 08:31
If you study palmistry, then you understand that even your lines change, at any time you want them to change. Nothing in the future is set in rock. So you can change your destiny through thought, planning and right action. When someone tells you your future, this does not mean it is going to happen, it means that it may happen if you do not take steps to change it. This is where the FREE WILL comes into play. Most people just accept their fate or destiny without ever considering that they can change it.
I have changed mine so many time, standing on the doors of death or disaster, I changed it. I simply choose not to go down this road, and turned away and choose another. Sometime I felt that someone was guiding me, edging me, persuading me but then ultimately it was up to me.
Once I was in the most percarious situation, it would have cost me my life, a voice in my head just kept saying - "DO SOMETHING - DO SOMETHING"......I kept saying, "WHAT. WHAT"........the voice kept saying "ANYTHING- ANYTHING" so I did the most ridiculous thing that came into my head. It worked. It was unbelieveable. Unfortunately I cannot reveal the situation due to laws.
To this day I am so grateful for having the opportunity to change moments that could have turned out very very badly. Thank you universe.
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From one perspective there might be a link between consciously trying to get yourself onto a positive timeline and the 'blank space' around 2012 that Calz mentioned.
Getting one's self onto a positive timeline might also be interpreted as raising your vibration....thinking positive,doing the right thing,raising your awareness etc.This could be important as we approach 2012/13.There have been a few instances where the 2012 'blank space' has been observed.The 'looking glass' example that Calz mentioned and also Cliff High mentioned something about all of their webbot forecasts went blank around the same time for some reason.
Why does this happen around 2012 ? Well i suspect that the universe knows but isn't telling.That's for us to find out.
Does not the I Ching drop off the page (in essence) as well?
This is a fascinating and very 'now' issue to get a discussion going on.
But, if I'm going to stay in it past 1 post, it's going to have to be a discussion that excludes fiction.
The biggest problem with trying to get my head around the issues of timelines and consciousness shifts etc is that I completely 'lose it' as soon as anyone mentions some movie plot or great book of fiction.
I'd even argue that all the serious stuff we could be discussing here is almost completely pre nobbled by the mass immersion in fiction.
To all proponents of timeline shifting, I say this at the outset:
Drop the references to works of fiction and learn a new language with the rest of us.
Even if chasing creations of fiction down the path of realisation was a good idea, I still wouldn't want to be guided by the sorts of people who actually write that stuff for Hollywood.
I'm bored and sick of being expected to take a lead from professional illusionists. I want to hear a fresh and truly real explanation of the inclinations of others, especially on the subject of timeline shifting.
I got that off my chest.
Valid point(s) and well spoken :)
As far as movies, tv books or any form of mass media I suppose ... follow the money and you find those ol' rascals the illuminati (or whatever name/label you want to use).
For some reason (several debatable) "they" feel inclined to "suggest" to the masses what "will be happening". Cannot imagine it to be simple arrogance. I believe it has more to do with "them" understanding how consiousness creates reality much beyond what the masses suspect. Social engineering if you will. In essence what we see in most programming is simply that ... programming. Putting out the meme, if you will, of direction "they" are hoping to steer our collective consiousness into creating.
A bit off topic from timelines ... but Omni is our local expert on mind control so worth considering in this thread.
IMHO
ThePythonicCow
13th May 2011, 08:47
I view it as levels of ordering. There are many overlapping and nested orderings or structured fabrics, from the basics of matter (atoms, ...) and energy (gravity, light, ...) upward to molecules, cells, organs, and physical bodies. Bodies in turn support emotional, mental and spiritual forms, which each have their own order. Individual beings form families, communities, nations, web forums, civilizations and such. This list barely touches on the manner and variety of orderings.
The higher level orderings compel the elements of the lower levels -- within the limits of what is possible for the lower levels. A starving mother may choose to give her last byte of food to her child. But a mother cannot, just with the strength of her body, stop a raging elephant or a cruise missile from harming her child, no matter how hard she wills.
There have been a few times in my life when a very different way of living and focusing my energy became clear, in my mind. At first, it would be fuzzy, but compelling my attention. Then it would begin to feel necessary, and compelling my actions, directing my focus. My entire life would end up changing, down to the smallest physical details, in those ways that were essential to the new way of life (or no longer demanded by the old way.) Other details of my life, which were not relevant to the larger change, would remain the same, having no need to be changed.
The higher orderings compel the lower orderings -- within the limits of the lower orderings.
This is the essential reason that the Universe does not disintegrate into chaos due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics (chaos, aka entropy, increases inexorably in a closed system.) No layer of ordering is a closed system. The free energy in each layer is available to be used in the service of the higher layers. "Free" meaning "not tied up in the current layer" (not meaning "zero $US.")
When I read of timelines, I translate that into meaning that a vision of something possible can become a compelling destiny, bringing deep change into ones life. One can answer a higher calling. Such possibilities are however not unbounded. One remains constrained by certain immutable elements of ones being, talents and circumstances.
It can be difficult, nigh impossible, to know (with one's rational intellect) just what those limits and boundaries are, for our rational minds, both individually and collectively, is a sometimes crude and limited tool. But the limits are there, both those that we could not exceed even if we knew all, and more commonly those imposed by our own ignorance and confusion.
DoubleHelix
13th May 2011, 09:03
Omniverse great thread! your case is indeed a unique one and I feel for you buddy.. It can't be easy!
I tend to think that maybe each lifetime is chosen by our Higher Selves purely for the reason of experience and self growth. (your case being one of the more challenging)
I believe beyond this incarnation on Earth we experience life outside of time and space, therefore having the ability to witness possible future lifetimes. A choice becomes made in the greater interest of our ultimate journey towards reintegrating with the higher aspects of ourself.
Now that's not too say you can't change the direction of your life from this very moment on, I'm sure this is possible through intent and self belief.
That's just my take.. I'm sure its missing pieces and could be more accurate but I try :)
As for timelines George Kavassilas proposes an interesting theory that there is only one organic timeline similar to the model of a tree, in which the trunk represents the organic pathway and every branch and offshoot are alternative/parallel timelines.. But in going down these alternative/parallel timelines you will eventually make your way back to the organic timeline, however it may take you a few years or eons of time.
If you study palmistry, then you understand that even your lines change, at any time you want them to change.
How do you know? I've wanted my experiences to change like a thousand times while being tortured by advanced technology... I've been through some of the darkest days imaginable.
Also, what happens if what I "want" is controllable too? It can be controlled.
Nothing in the future is set in rock.
This is not meant to be durogatory, but you seem to be very sure of your own theory. It doesn't seem to be a theory to you. Maybe this is to your own benefit, maybe you have encoded truth that I do not have access to at this moment. But it's an observation(your assurity). To me, it's very possible say, 357,000,000,000,000,000 different timelines were set in stone by a designer(s) of this multiverse. So in that essence it could be 'set in stone' on some level. With how big the universe is, and how long it may exist, safe to say my number may be less than 1% of the available timelines. But one theory I resonated with enough to merit putting it in my realms of possibility, is everything has already happened, and it's all happening at once on some level. Maybe the morphiong 'cube' of the multiverse(not saying it's a box, or even a shape) is the end result of observation by beings truly worthy of the term "God(s)". Time exists IMHO to separate everything from being in a fully aligned state of oneness. Stagnant in other words. No construct of evolution or growth. Maybe that is what being God is like. Feeling every single possible everything, at once. Being every single being, in any form of energy every possible being can be. Anyway I'm rambling. lol.
In my reality it's possible everything is set in stone. A lot is possible to me though. I naturally do not have such a definitive reality. If I had to choose one thing, I'd pick what you said in the above quote, but I couldn't say it with assurance with myself in knowing it's right.
So you can change your destiny through thought, planning and right action.
To me, I would term it creating your destiny with those things.
I have changed mine so many time, standing on the doors of death or disaster, I changed it. I simply choose not to go down this road, and turned away and choose another. Sometime I felt that someone was guiding me, edging me, persuading me but then ultimately it was up to me.
This is not the case for us all. I'd say I have about 0-20% free will in my life.
To this day I am so grateful for having the opportunity to change moments that could have turned out very very badly. Thank you universe.
What makes you think your fear was the future, and you changed it? In my eyes your final choice was the future.
So your theory is the future is constantly a works in progress in the now? I wouldn't say that's wrong. Just noting. I think in this field there are many many intelligent theories. Thank you for sharing. I hope to hear more in this thread.
A bit off topic from timelines ... but Omni is our local expert on mind control so worth considering in this thread.
Well I'm not saying this is possible. But I imagine having a goal of mind control devices on every human, would involve manipulating things like this(collective energy and it's manifestation power). Maybe that is what the end game enslavement is in their plans. The one they can't get to work...
As for timelines George Kavassilas proposes an interesting theory that there is only one organic timeline similar to the model of a tree, in which the trunk represents the organic pathway and every branch and offshoot are alternative/parallel timelines.. But in going down these alternative/parallel timelines you will eventually make your way back to the organic timeline, however it may take you a few years or eons of time.
Wonderful theory. This one resonates. Thank you! So in other words Bill and I could both be right. I don't feel like I can change my future much at all right now. I think this theory could potentially be contradictory to Bill's ambitions to be in a completely separate timeline. Something a s big as the planet enduring a E.L.E or close I think would deviate too much from the organic one. But Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is one of the "eons" ones :P
Hi,
When I hear the notion of choosing our particular lifes path in order to experience and/or suffer to evolve, sometimes I think its someones sick joke to keep us all subdued and to accept it as our fate.
When I see how some people suffer and have awful lives, I think 'did you really choose this as a way to learn, really?'. For me, very hard to believe.
And yes, this is a great thread!
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norman
13th May 2011, 09:34
The higher orderings compel the lower orderings -- within the limits of the lower orderings.
This is the essential reason that the Universe does not disintegrate into chaos due to the Second Law of Thermodynamics (chaos, aka entropy, increases inexorably in a closed system.) No layer of ordering is a closed system. The free energy in each layer is available to be used in the service of the higher layers. "Free" meaning "not tied up in the current layer" (not meaning "zero $US.")
hello Paul,
I think you're probably quite right in that lower orders 'serve' higher orders. In a pure system it would be clearly natural.
The general idea is open and divinely discoverable I'm sure. If there were no cheaters and players with less than divine intentions it would be all "up up and away we go!".
I certainly find myself in a world with many opportunistic trouble makers, the smartest of them can be very misleading by pointing at higher orders that are clearly universally inviting but also conditioning the process and the 'path' towards them. This religious capturing of the most basic aspiration we have can be found all around us at all stages of developement.
Although I could, theoretically, ignore all that and make my own blessed way to a higher life, somewhere in my body senses I have a compunction to seek to do it in unity with all the other lower creations of the "higher" "self" or "creator". I find myself asking the question why? why did the creator of this version of me also create all you others of or at this equal lower level all together mingling and crowding the exits to a higher life?
If there is such a thing as a 'planetary' conciousness driving a common timeline ahead of it, How are we to know if each individual has an isolated "freedom" to effectively ignore the rest and go their own way in their own version of understanding without having first fully learned the whole body of multiple experiences by prioritising unity among all here to match the scale of the whole timeline?
And why 'planetary'. What scale of locality is really appropriate anyway?
Omniverse great thread! your case is indeed a unique one and I feel for you buddy.. It can't be easy!
It certainly isn't at times. If I chose this life I think it was an interval in between great lives. Maybe someone had to live it, and I had been living such great lives it was just my time. Maybe my soul will gain certain qualities that are justified in living this life in doing so. But it's hard taking one for 'the team', which in this case is my soul and possibly future lifetimes...
I tend to think that maybe each lifetime is chosen by our Higher Selves purely for the reason of experience and self growth. (your case being one of the more challenging)
I resonate with this as well.
I believe beyond this incarnation on Earth we experience life outside of time and space, therefore having the ability to witness possible future lifetimes. A choice becomes made in the greater interest of your ultimate journey towards reintegrating with the higher aspects of yourself.
On a soul level, unless you devolve on some level from torture, I've gained a good bit from this lifetime. So this has observational clout as well as resonates. But it's still hard to accept my life as being reasonable. lol...
Now that's not too say you can't change the direction of your life from this very moment on, I'm sure this is possible through intent and self belief.
I will be trying as hard as I can for as long as it takes. I'll try to post how this goes here. I did notice a good change after I said more clearly, "I want nothing to do with both sides of ETs and black ops etc if it means the negative will go away", there was a period of some months where they mind controlled, and manipulated me(strongly) into accepting the full end product of it all, but partially due to me not wanting the positive interactions to end. I never agreed to the mind control they do though. Just said I would not take a damaged brain(they have established a dependency on the AI to be my memory...) and a ruined intellectual capacity if all this went away... They still control me, but it has not been as intense. They moreso appear to be just doing spot work lately. Instead of me being 100% programmed and mind controlled in real time. So I'm hoping this changes further.
That's just my take.. I'm sure its missing pieces and could be more accurate but I try :)
Thank you for sharing. I valued your input, kind words, and post.
loveandgratitude
13th May 2011, 10:06
OMNIVERSE - Regarding this quote -
To this day I am so grateful for having the opportunity to change moments that could have turned out very very badly. Thank you universe.
How do I know it would have turned out bad. There was no question about it. I know it would have turned out bad, very bad because I would have ended up in one of the worst prison's on the planet. By divine grace, I was able to change this situation in a miraculous way. I created chaos and a major disruption and in that moment I was safe and free. I cannot elobrate any further about this particular situation but i will share another.
When I was 18, I was driving a very fast car late at night on a country road that I knew well.. I had a passenger with me. I was travelling at about 110 mph - about 160 klms ph. At this speed, I was approaching a one lane bridge and as I came round the corner I noticed a truck approaching the bridge. The lights were bright and I knew there was no way of stopping in time. I closed my eyes, expecting a collision. A voice in my head, said, do not worry, you will be safe. All I remember was bright lights, a twirling light feeling, that I thought was death, with a comforting voice saying do you want to go back and I said casually, OK. Then finding myself about 2 kilometers from the bridge and about 10 minutes of missing time. I had to stop the car and take a deep breathe. My passenger also experienced the same thing. To this day I understand that i went through that truck into a time vortex.
So many times, so many time I have experienced these events, these unbelieveable events, a choice in the road, where I have to opportunity to rearrange things. I have survived near plane crashes, so many near car accidents, falling off mountains without a scratch, bullets killing everyone around me except me, walking out of buildings that caught fire 2 minutes later. (I am a female Indiana Jones). I always felt and feel a divine guiding hand that allows me to stay safe. I am grateful. Hence my name.
enfoldedblue
13th May 2011, 10:28
I think one of the most important things to bring into this discussion is the fact that essentially we are trying to understand a multi-dimensional experience with our physical minds. Though I don't think it is impossible, it is certainly challenging. I have come to believe that there are infinite timelines, realities, dimensions and versions of ourselves. Lately I have been becoming more aware of aspects of myself that exist in different dimensions. I have never had a conscious experience of shifting timelines though.
I do believe that it is possible to shift timelines, but probably not that easy as just saying you're doing it. Imagine if we could just tell people with cancer "oh no problem...just shift to a timeline where you don't have cancer". That would be good, but obviously it is not so simple...as Omniverse points out. I believe that we are ultimately all incredible multi-faceted/dimensional beings, and part of us is having a physical 3D experience. While in our complete state I believe we can jump around dimensions and timelines, but, the nature of this physical existence is limiting by nature. I think part of the goal of the parts of us here in the physical reality at this time is to re-member our true selves. The more we learn to connect with the parts of ourselves beyond the physical realm, the more I feel we will be able to transcend the limitations of the physical, and open ourselves up to more multi-dimesional experiences.
Anyway very limited time for me at the moment, and such a complex subject. Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.
Thanks for posting Omniverse
LOVE ALLways, c
ponda
13th May 2011, 10:51
There's some in depth Timeline info on this link:
http://montalk.net/matrix/122/timeline-dynamics
From the article:
The rules of time travel are rooted in quantum physics. Understanding these rules reveals much about the behavior of hyperdimensional beings and the reason for certain metaphysical laws. Timeline dynamics is essentially about temporal feedback loops between the present and its available range of probable futures. This is just realm dynamics reinterpreted from the perspective of linear time, which affords additional insights as you will see. Although timeline dynamics sounds abstract, it has concrete applications pertaining to manifesting positive synchronicities, deflecting hyperdimensional manipulation, bending probability, and transcending matrix limitations.
Except for feelings of deja vu, we would not naturally notice a timeline edit since our memories would change as well. We can trace the string back and find it winds a continuous path, meaning all consequences of the timeline change are consistently accounted for by preceding causes when examined. As a result, we normally remember only the most recent edit as being the past that always was.
So from our perspective time is constant, singular, and permanent. From a higher perspective, time is variable in its rate of flow and selective in its configuration. Our perception of time, like the flow of time within a movie or novel, is an illusion. The string exists from beginning to end, simultaneously, but its path is open to revision. True time moves forward not with the tick of a clock but the making of a choice. That which is inevitable has already happened.
Summary
In a nutshell, according to quantum physics we are caught in mutual feedback loops with all our probable futures. The greater the probability of a particular future, the stronger the feedback loop, the more tangibly beings from that future can interact with you in the present. By choosing to become more positive and aware, you establish mutual reinforcement with positive futures and thereby increase the number of miracles necessary to evolve you into those futures. The enormous implications I will leave to your imagination and experimentation.
CyRus
13th May 2011, 11:35
I can only speak from theoretical physics, where there is a theory (a rather speculative one) regarding Parallel Universes. This is in an attempt to explain free-will, due to the fact that according to Einstein time is regarded as the fourth-dimension, and viewed as a continuous sequence. With this interpretation, free will cannot exist as every action is predetermined.
Parallel Universes 'solves' this paradox whereby in the moment of each choice, the universe branches, thus incorporating this new timeline in a parallel universe. This theory is based purely on mathematics and speculation though, and therefore impossible to falsify. My problem with this is the fact that it seems very convoluted!
mosquito
13th May 2011, 11:36
This is indeed a very complex issue, made more so by our own language. To keep things short, may I suggest another word, like "script", you write the script for your life and only include the things you are happy to experience. As I write this, I feel objections coming up, so instead of being more verbose, I'll say how I see this in meditation:
I see AND FEEL myself as a plant, normally a tree. I grow according to a blueprint, I am who I always was and always will be. At different stages throughout my life, I have different awarenesses, but I am still the tree, not a cat, not a daffodil. This is connecting with my primal energy - the essence of who I am. I continue envisioning this essence, this blueprint moving from my roots to my leaves.
Now of course, we hit the "free will" problem, My current understanding, through experience, is that "free will" has its' limits, one can only operate within the scope of one's blueprint. So I CAN become a teacher, a pilot, a soldier. I CANNOT become a mouse mat, a pencil sharpener or a shirt.
I wanted that to be simple, maybe it isn't !!!
I also strongly feel that we first of all need to focus on getting ourselves sorted out, living according to our true nature. That after all is all we really can do. As soon as you start creating scripts, and designing your future, you automatically involve other people, that's where it gets hairy.
I'm obviously not very eloquent tonight !
Teakai
13th May 2011, 12:01
Hi Omniverse, from reading Michael Newton's books I got that we have options that we can choose throughout our life - but sometimes these may be altered by some other souls choice.
For instance - (and this is an example from memory as it's been a while since I read it) there was one particular client who had chosen as one of her options to grow old with her husband - except her husband died early in their marriage. This is because he excercised that particular option in his own selection of options, which then wiped out the wife having that option available to her to use.
There was another example of a young girl who was to open the door of a carriage and fall out and become a cripple. She said (in soul memory while under hypnosis) that she didn't have to go through with it - but she did. The reason being was that that particular life she'd chosen was all about what she would learn living life in a crippled state.
I don't know how conscioulsy we are able to make these choices. I rather feel they are under soul control and we from that vantage point will choose our options.
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 12:03
Changing a timeline is subtle and simple. We grasp on to these concepts like they are HUGE constructs. They aren't. We shift and support timelines every day by the choices we make on a daily basis. Everything in life, everything that has ever been built has come from an idea or a belief. Change those and we change our lives. Or time line. Our lives are unraveled out on a timeline.
What is being asked here is: IF you don't want a particular scenario for yourself do what is necessary TO yourself to adjust YOUR timeline. Creating your reality.
I've seen a zillion people in here talk about how they changed their time line and I doubt they knew their actions were effecting an adjustment in timeline. Its just there, and I figured I didn't need to mention no more than I need to point out to people that when they take a deep breath that will be followed by a long exhale as well. I guess I do have to point that out.
When you ID a core value you didn't realize you had and alter it to a more beneficial one--you've changed your timeline. That which was holding you back or navigating you in a way that is not optimal to your quality of life is gone. Your life changes .
Did you get off the old dogma train and embrace more positive forms of spiritual expression and attitude? You changed your timeline.
Did you lose your fear? You changed your time line. No you didn't change the WORLD over night , you changed your timeline.
Did you work through some old abuse and trauma at a subconscious level? You changed your timeline.
I would suggest this is why Bill and Inelia are introducing working with body memory, it helps to support to changing your time line because below the conscious influence that is bringing pressure to bear on you in the NOW is lifted out. There was no suggestion that your time line must precisely match Bill and Inelias. They invited you to share in their timeline, not ASSUME it. I mean within a timeline such as they are suggesting there is room to maneuver to accommodate personal preference.
Cause and effect.
Who complicates this stuff? We do. We take this stuff and clutter it up beyond comprehension, so it become SO titanic we can't muster the energy or courage to do it. Why? I see this all the time, a very basic simply executed process is blown so far out of proportion no one is tempted to undertake it.
Just do it. Take one facet of your life and change it. If you can do one you can do others. If yo don't well..its not because the process is faulty, its because one is unwilling to do it.
It just takes a little willingness.
ponda
13th May 2011, 12:04
One way of looking at it might be that the Universe/Creator has our path/life planned/mapped out for us but gives us the perception of free will as a type of gift or learning tool.When we come to say a major timeline divergence point we are given the free will to make our choice of which direction we take BUT we might be given some inspiration so as to make a certain choice.What choice we end up making might be the be the most beneficial one for us.It might not be the easiest path that we take because of this choice but it might give us the most valuable lesson or experience.
motherlove
13th May 2011, 12:07
It is not easy to explain this concept in words. If you use your intellect or education to explain it or break it down it will elude you because education is a program written by someone possibly who could not comprehend the experiencial nature of reality. It is what it is and once experienced cannot be denied. I see it as your thoughts words deeds and beliefs creating the reality you have if your timeline is not desired possibly these areas of conceptualisation need to be examined and healed. My take is there is nothing to fear but fear itself once you get past that the possibilities are endless. Best Wishes to All.
norman
13th May 2011, 12:13
Why do I get the impression this discussion is going to get very,
Cavaliers v Roundheads
Republicans v Democrats
Tories v Union Reps
Hey, that's it, I've got it!
It works both ways!, yea we can create a different timeline, but, there IS a timeline constantly at work on us too. We are just as much a product of a timeline as a timeline is a product of us.
The Truth Is In There
13th May 2011, 12:14
if time is an illusion, timelines must de facto also be illusions. the way i understand it time exists only here in our 3rd dimensional reality on earth because this is a school and we're here to learn and grow. we are all tiny little parts of our higher selves who operate outside time and from our limited perspective we can neither know what's going to happen nor can we change it if it goes against the plan of our higher self.
the reason why we're here at all, where there's so much negativity, is because negativity, hardship and discomfort facilitate growth, much more so than the easy life of other beings such as pleiadians for example. our higher selves have chosen this path in order to grow more rapidly and we are the parts that have the "honour" to play a vital role in that game of soul growth and development.
it is correct that we can change our personal lives to a certain degree, but if that change goes against the plan of the higher self, as might be the case in omni's situation, you can try forever and it won't work. the secret is to accept what is and don't judge it. use the situation you're in to the best of your ability and know that the great plan is always to become a more loving, compassionate and benevolent being. the harder you have to try to become that being the more you actually grow, so what may look as negative circumstances from our limited point of view is not necessarily negative if seen from a higher perspective.
thus, if i expect the apocalypse to hit in 2012 i don't see that as something negative at all, the way most people perceive it, but as a means to help me and my higher self to grow. i feel that this is why i'm here, why my life has developed as it has and why i have accumulated knowledge during the last few years that didn't interest me before (health and nutrition as one example). i feel that i'm being guided and prepared for what's to come and if i look back on my life i can see the red thread and it becomes obvious that everything has happened for a reason, to bring me to the point where i'm now.
so, for me the bottom line is that i look forward to whatever happens and it doesn't matter if people try to change their timeline or not because everyone will experience exactly what is right for him/herself, from the soul's or higher self's point of view (which is not necessarily the same as your "limited" self's).
Anchor
13th May 2011, 12:27
Why are time-lines important? To whom are they important? Why is the consideration of "changing" timelines important? Who exercises the control to do it?
Timelines exist because of freewill! Without freewill there is no meaningful "navigation" or "changing" of timelines, and freewill means that everyone including you, up to the moment of choice is kept guessing as to what happens next! Perhaps even the creator is kept guessing? Perhaps that was the point in the first place. To let the infinite-panopoly of cosmic chips fall where they may themselves decide to fall and simply see what happens!
When you are attempting to contemplate the notion of a timeline you are contemplating something that is abstract from the "now" moment. You move into the notions of past and future - and these only exist in our illusion because of the physical dimension of time. Time is an essential component of our illusiory experience and helps us conceive of and be aware of cause and effect in a one way stream of moments.
However, many thinkers have advanced that this is not the main issue. The main issue is NOW.
Be here now - Ram Dass
The Power of Now - Eckhart Tolle
This is thinking beyond and transcending time, and so also beyond and transcending the manifest illusion.
Dont do that! It upsets TPTB! They need you in the illusion and unaware that there is anything else! So please keep worrying about timelines and which one to choose because TPTB will be very grateful :)
I hope this helps in challenging the completeness of thinking in this super thread!
John..
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.
Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.
norman
13th May 2011, 12:46
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
If true, it would, but where did this notion come from?
Can someone tell me that for sure?
It may turn out to be some kind of adopted 'comfort' that has crept into the language from 'who knows where'?
Anchor
13th May 2011, 12:49
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.
If I have understood you correctly, I touched on in the inelia thread ---> here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19206-The-Inelia-thread&p=210721&viewfull=1#post210721) <--- if you want to read the whole thing in context or...
> Is the soul conditional or not?
In my initial contemplation of this, I had the image of a river of water running down a hill.
Its flow is bounded by conditions the river bank. Therefore its mode of expression is bounded by external conditions, but the water within itself is also subject to a myriad of turbulence, whirlpools, eddies and currents that appear random, but if you knew all the conditions it would be conditional on them and predictable. The river exists in our co-created illusion. We did it. We created that river at levels of our being that are hidden from us at this time. We don't even know we did it more often than not.
I view the soul - my definition of which is the eternal focus of our beingness that has presence in space/time while incarnated and time/space while not. It is an individualized fragment of the one infinite creator, and necessarily has individual qualities in its "now" moment that are based on its path and experience. This as you have referenced is recorded on the very fabric of creation known as akasha (the hall of records). This soul also has a focus in me which is the same as the focus in you and why we are as one - the infinite focus point that they all have.
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That is why I have said, the two basic things in the universe that you need to be aware of - as an individualized expression of the one - are you and everything else in this moment.
In a sense the soul is self-conditioned, it took a mode of incarnation and took on the constraints of a manifest illusion, so powerful that it seems real to the extent of even creating a situation that this very fact is suppressed. Paradox. So I also think the answer is both conditioned by the requirements of the moment, and unconditional in the context of the infinite and boundlessness of the one infinite creation.
You and I both have souls. We are limitless in our power, but we have chosen to limit this to experience that limited mode, and in so doing we play our part in infinite consciousness by conditioning ourselves unconditionally.
Consequently conditions come and go as we decide it. We are making it up as we go along. At the same time according to the laws of attraction and like attracts like, groups of individuals with similar characteristics and conditions will group together.
The answer therefore, to me at this time, is both.
Does that address your question - if not please have another go, because I would like to have a stab at it and see what happens.
John..
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 13:03
Yes , but we can't impose the physical mind on the mulit dimensional experience. The multi dimenstional experience can and will impose influence on the physical which is what we are talking about here.
In order to do this you don't even have to believe in it. The multi dimensional experince doesn't require belief, the physical mind does.
Which is what the mind is looking for something to believe or think about. If it doesn't make sense to the mind the mind will discard it before one has a chance to benefit from it. This is just something you do, regardless if you believe in it or not. It just takes a bit of willingness to do so. When it expresses itself, you KNOW it works.
I'm DOING it. And knowing that I'm not that much different than other people, I know other people can do it to. My entire life's work has been composed around mentoring people through the process. Those who don't have the willingess to do it aren't in a very good place to say it doesn't work. I mean what sort of happy HS is that? "No I never attepted it but no it doesn't work?
What told them that. The physical mind. The multidimensional expression says otherwise. In fact it don't say nothing at all, it just happens.
When my mind interferes on any sort of SELF work I tell it to shut up. I suspect because i'm basically a nice person, that is why I feel like every moment of the day to tell people to shut TFU because its their minds chattering away making every rationalization in the world NOT to do something while their higher expression struggles to urge them to a better place.
You want an assurance that this works? A guarantee?
DO IT.
Yes. I say exactly that. EXACTLY what you said. Cancer? No problem. Lets see what you got in your timeline? Oh a subconscious contract. Lets rewrite it. Cancer is a no brainer.
I can't think of anything less challenging than cancer. CAncer is EASY, getting my darned house clean is HARD.
Can YOU Understand that as a lay person? Without the 'experience of it?"
. No.
Can I understand its a no brainer as a natural medicine practitioner? Yes. Does it make me wrong when its expressed in my life DAILY that cancer is a no brainer, just because you believe otherwise. That its not expressed in YOUR timeline but it is in mine makes MY timeline wrong? or incorrect. Which is the more positive timeline? Does it make me special? No I'm composed of the same stuff you are. You have something I don't have. An opposing BELIEF the physical mind has created.
I smoke like a chimney. Smoke smoke smoke, puff puff puff. People are always asking me. Aren't you afraid of getting cancer? No. Why would I THINK or BELIEVE that? I KNOW otherwise.
Well you will look old and dried up by the time your 30, they say just oozing this smug assurance.
Wel I'm 45. My physical appearance is reflecting my change in timeline, and the beliefs and thinking attached to my former timeline. When I was 35 I looked 50 I was in that bad of shape from MS. Not anymore. YOu would think that would be evidence enough for people my own self expression. Its not. I'm simply a 33 year old woman lying about her age so people will believe she's pushing 50 just for ****zngiggles even though my ID and birth certificate state otherwise. They'll rationalize that too. Anything. The mind will rationalize anything piling beliefs on like cake frosting to keep you from KNOWING your self expression.
SIMPLE. The SELF didn't complicate this, WE did.
I think one of the most important things to bring into this discussion is the fact that essentially we are trying to understand a multi-dimensional experience with our physical minds. Though I don't think it is impossible, it is certainly challenging. I have come to believe that there are infinite timelines, realities, dimensions and versions of ourselves. Lately I have been becoming more aware of aspects of myself that exist in different dimensions. I have never had a conscious experience of shifting timelines though.
I do believe that it is possible to shift timelines, but probably not that easy as just saying you're doing it. Imagine if we could just tell people with cancer "oh no problem...just shift to a timeline where you don't have cancer". That would be good, but obviously it is not so simple...as Omniverse points out. I believe that we are ultimately all incredible multi-faceted/dimensional beings, and part of us is having a physical 3D experience. While in our complete state I believe we can jump around dimensions and timelines, but, the nature of this physical existence is limiting by nature. I think part of the goal of the parts of us here in the physical reality at this time is to re-member our true selves. The more we learn to connect with the parts of ourselves beyond the physical realm, the more I feel we will be able to transcend the limitations of the physical, and open ourselves up to more multi-dimesional experiences.
Anyway very limited time for me at the moment, and such a complex subject. Looking forward to seeing how this thread develops.
Thanks for posting Omniverse
LOVE ALLways, c
Timelines?? I am beside myself. :p This is a brain-buster. I am instinctively aware of what we are referring to as 'timelines' too. Indeed, it is hard to wrap yer brain around. We still have a linear sense of things and that makes it a bit more difficult to understand. If you were to try and understand reincarnation from a non-linear (time) perspective then maybe it starts to make more sense. Stay with me for a minute: Lets forget about passed lives and incarnations for the sake of this thought experiment. Let us, instead, think about it like this: Maybe my next life/incarnation, I want to come back and live YOUR life. Or you want to come back and live someones life that you know and admire today, someone who is living physically at the same time as you. I consider this a likely possibility.. I can be you (next time) and you can be me (next time). If you follow through with this line of thinking, then eventually, (given that we have eternity to live lives and explore) we will have ALL lived EVERYONES lives, and there would be no other conclusion than WE ARE ALL ONE! In this timeline and any other.
As far as switching timelines goes,,, Once one has made the decision to take back their power and manifest their own reality (and timeline) their worlds change around them. Switching timelines is seamless, and you would never notice. I try not to look at it as 'there are so many possibilities, so many decisions that created new timelines'... Too much information for me!. We 'switch' timelines each time we make a decision. We will never notice, it is seamless. Once we are on another 'line' it becomes our reality, and we are never the wiser. IMOO! The concept of 'creating my own reality' became much more clear once I started thinking about it like that. (my very small linear brain trying to figure it out)
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 13:16
To clarify:
The basic premise we are talking about is true. I personally perceive the material that Bill and Inelia are talking about as over complicated and over languaged, trying too hard to substantiate something that will substantiate itself if given the change. TElling too much and not showing enough, but the basic premise , the foundation of the matter will express itself if the conditions are made for it. I can't disagree with the basic premise, I can only state there's much easier ways of executing it.
Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.
I have been told by beings claiming to be ETs(which I must note could be impersonations by the AI I deal with, I will never know unless they show me their bodies, ships hasn't been enough), that I did agree to this lifetime.
Maybe my next life/incarnation, I want to come back and live YOUR life. Or you want to come back and live someones life that you know and admire today, someone who is living physically at the same time as you. I consider this a likely possibility..
I was pondering that exact theory Jake a bit ago after making this thread, that we all get to live all lives(or at least a large portion of them). That we as souls can incarnate as any being in the multiverse, from a 'cube' of the multiverse, with a slightly open endedness to it, or hardcoded elements to it. This is a very fascinating subject and as always Avalonians show great intelligence and wisdom(even if some of us are essentially wrong with bits and pieces or all of our theories).
The theory you bring up is something I would love Jake. We get to be on Utopian planets with harmony, perfect ecological balance, and no ailments, long great lives(which I have signs of soulular inertia' of since young). And in other incarnations, we live, for example, my life, a rough road full of injustice and potent experiences.
What I wonder about, is soulular progression. What is the apex? What do we graduate into once we have reached a pinnacle of wisdom and experience? I wonder if our 'timeline travels' end at some point, and we become designers or something of a massive timeline. All of us, the dark, the light, the dark/light, and the light/dark.
Thanks all for the spectacular responses. I thought I would get a debate(among other things) and got something much better. Pressing thank you isn't enough. I must express my gratitude. Here is a picture to share :)
http://coolkidlit-4-socialstudies.pbworks.com/f/1224258330/timeline.gif
I wonder if anyone can think up or do(or find) a picture of holographic timelines that may fit into any good theory of timelines. If you get a good idea about it, and are an artist, it may be worth doing :)
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
If true, it would, but where did this notion come from?
Can someone tell me that for sure?
It may turn out to be some kind of adopted 'comfort' that has crept into the language from 'who knows where'?
I cannot ... nor would I dream of attempting to ... convince anyone of a 100% ironclad, static, etched in stone until the end of time certainty.
That includes our "solid" 3d "reality" that would seem to be a holographic illusion of solidity. What happens in between life ... how can anyone offer truth about that. Lots of near-death experiencers come back with similar experiences ... but that offers no "proof".
Anyway ... past (or in between) life regressionists (Delores Cannon comes to mind among many) brings up "contracts".
Proof ... of course not.
Omni is asking for input and opinions regarding timelines ... he didn't ask for proof of anything unless I seriously missed something.
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 13:28
Think about the contracts FIRST that you have created during your current incarnation.
Think about the daily contracts you make DAILY and see how they benefit you. Is the soul making those agreements or...is your mind doing it?
Here's a contract of mine. I tell myself okay. You will clean the whole house before piddling around on the computer. But then instead of taking care of business.....I go piddle away on the computer. Or go ride my horse, or do ANYTHING but by abiding by the contract. And then feel guilty. And all this pressure. And crap just keeps piling up, and my mind is going TSK TSK TSK you are just pathetic, lazy, unmotivated SLOB. Guilt guilt guilt, pressure, pressure pressure against tmy free spirit that says "Oh go horse around and have fun who cares about dishes, they aren't going away." I'm not in agreement with my own contract! Something smarter is telling me is all rather meaningless ?
In fact it goes against my preferred of living.Play first, work later (if you feel like it)
So finally I say this contract is causing me guilt. I'm getting rid of it. .I can kick it in the can. Which one will make me feel better? I'll make the agreement I'll work when I feel like working and stop letting my mind start making judgements on the pile of dishes in the sink.
Start tearing stuff like that down and you will get a clearer idea about other contracts. I won't lead you by the nose on that one, take care of ones created in this lifetime and then you can see for yourself what is going on , on a soul level.
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
Not talking about pre-destined outcomes in life but (allegedly) we have a "blueprint" or "roadmap" of what our soul is expected to learn or experience.
Omni ... perhaps you have answered this in your other posts/threads but have you ever inquired about the possibility of having a "contract" to experience what you are in this lifetime??? I expect that your situation is so far beyond most all of our "realities" that there is no way to really comprehend what you have gone through.
TimelessDimensions
13th May 2011, 13:34
Less talk, more practice..
norman
13th May 2011, 13:34
To be really sure we are all talking about timelines and the strongest cases for influencing them, we have to subtract/extract other more superficial factors that produce effects that we can wrongly get twisted up with timelines.
Creating a difference in your life style may be the product of many factors that are ( for lack of a better term ) earth-looped back into the same old timeline. There are a myriad of 'methods' for changing your 'lot' in life but I wouldn't count them in a specific descussion about timeline changing.
The whole planetary timeline doesn't change just because I apply a few 'prosperity conciousness' practices to myself. Yea, I could go and get very prosperous but I'd not be changing anything in the bigger timeline picture, I'd just be getting a bigger slice of a few things others would reciprocally get thinner slices of by the equations of the same old timeline mechanics.
Also, I could start a school of ( fill in the blank ) and attract around me a large subgroup of humanty with a distictive set of views and aspirations where we could live out the rest of earthly lives believing whatever the hell we like but that still would be within the old timeline mechanics but possible a nicer location, location, location.
Does any of this really change the big picture timeline?
You could argue that it doesn't need to as long it changes mine. If that was all it was about, it would all have turned out to be a very pretentious manuvre to climb the dirt pile, not move it or replace it. A very popular trick in this time line, wouldn't you say?
If a discussion about timelines turns out to be about 'how to get ahead', errr.... I think were already on that timeline.
The One
13th May 2011, 13:35
Time is of your own making;
its clock ticks in your head.
The moment you stop thought
time too stops dead
greybeard
13th May 2011, 13:41
I see it simple
I dont go for the concept of time lines --- I prefer the concept of the potential with in all individuals realizing, actualizing that potential.
Thats evolution of consciousness
There is not enough respect for That which created the totality of things and yes we are That as unified consciousness.
For me humility rules
I dont have the ability to save the world-- does it need it?
I trust in a guiding intelligence which I call God.
If It was possible to change my time line I would automatically change all in the process. (I dont want that responsibility)
In a small way we all do moment by moment but thats different
ie raising or lowering of consciousness.
We raise conscious we bring in a higher vibration attractor field with positive life affirming benefits.
We lower consciousness through fear and negativity then we get more of the same --- anger frustration violence, victim consciousness, some out there to blame.
I am very positive about the future it is in good hands--- not mine.
Chris
andrewgreen
13th May 2011, 13:52
Hello Omniverse love to read you posts and find it very interesting as i believe their has to be a solution to your problem.
Their are potentially millions of timelines and alternate realities and they are increasing by at a vast rate. Consider this with the fact that time may not exsist and its possible that the alternate timelines and realities all work together representing one whole. When we make a decision part of us wants to know what would happen if we made a differn't decision, our higher self could actually know the result of every alternate decision we ever made. Switching between timelines could happen on a minute by minute basis depending on positive or negative decisions by various alternate you's.
With the removal of your free will it could be necessary for you to do a certain job to balance the 'matrix' that you or your H/S agreed to at another time. Our lives become pointless without free will as we are not working out any Karma and you would have just been born an animal. Your life certainly doesn't seem pointless as your contributing to opening up minds and asking as many critical questions as anyone. Therefore it could just be your Karma for a reason you don't yet understand, hence the need to live it.
It could be that your will isn't strong enough, however I used to believe alcohol couldn't effect me when I was under 18. However its a catchh 22 situation maybe once you start to believe for what ever reason you have no control you can't change things until you start to believe you can again, what came first the chicken or the egg. I believe thought came before the physical.
It could just be possible you have given your free will away at somepoint, as your memories have been removed maybe you can't remember when or why, this could be the key to getting your power back.
One critical question I have for you, do you really believe this entity controls you and is negative and you have no potential to do good through your own free will ?
If so would it not be better withdrawing to a monastry or living as a hermit where your potentially less dangerous and also more able to meditate on your problems to resolve them?
andrewgreen
13th May 2011, 14:02
Less talk, more practice..
I assume your referring to zen? I believe this would be highly beneficial to Omni as he seems to have so much outside interference.
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 14:05
I have noticed that people believe humility is some sort of floor mat concept.
The highest expression of humility is to allow god or self to work through you, express, without putting all this gobbedlygook on it.
And when the Higher expression comes in, it can really yank the crank of the ego mind that says "Oh that's just arrogant."
The more I expressed humiliation the more arrogant I was perceived....lol.
oh my god what a life...(chuckle)
I see it simple
I dont go for the concept of time lines --- I prefer the concept of the potential with in all individuals realizing, actualizing that potential.
Thats evolution of consciousness
There is not enough respect for That which created the totality of things and yes we are That as unified consciousness.
For me humility rules
I dont have the ability to save the world-- does it need it?
I trust in a guiding intelligence which I call God.
If It was possible to change my time line I would automatically change all in the process. (I dont want that responsibility)
In a small way we all do moment by moment but thats different
ie raising or lowering of consciousness.
We raise conscious we bring in a higher vibration attractor field with positive life affirming benefits.
We lower consciousness through fear and negativity then we get more of the same --- anger frustration violence, victim consciousness, some out there to blame.
I am very positive about the future it is in good hands--- not mine.
Chris
greybeard
13th May 2011, 14:07
A couple of saying that I like as they keep me in check
"I make plans and God laughs"
"If you think that God does not know what you are going to do next---think again"
Im with Bill in that things can become a self fulfilling prophesy--- you dwell on the negative and thas what you get.
It is important to believe in a good and happy future
My belief is the ancient one which say -- Do what you can in a positive fashion but leave the end results to God.
So from my personal experience invoking the power of God through meditation prayer and humility brings about results that personal will power can not achieve.
At the risk of boring people
Every sober alcoholic is a walking miracle -- in-spite of their own will power they remained drunk and their life unmanageable.
When rock bottom is hit and personal will surrendered to the Divine miracles are the norm.
If you want you can say I changed time lines to get sober.
Well I couldent do it unaided I needed the energy of Divinity to bring it about.
I was willing for change to happen- I requested it--- we can all do that and we should.
That is my personal thoughts which are right for, me work for me, but not necessarily true for others,
Chris
Hello Omniverse love to read you posts and find it very interesting as i believe their has to be a solution to your problem.
Glad you enjoy my posts. :)
One critical question I have for you, do you really believe this entity controls you and is negative and you have no potential to do good through your own free will ?
It appears multiple group(s) are collaborating with my life. As for free will, it's complicated. A lot of what I do is based on who I am, but it's controlled, if you get what I mean. They are just controlling me at times to do what I would normally do, with some alteration in both good and bad(mostly bad). I think they are dumbing down my potential. Like they are 'mastering' my output to be more acceptable than if I was free to evolve and develop into who I would be without their subversion. They have also told me they would never allow someone like me the experiences I have had(in both positive and negative ways) without subversion of memory and mental/soulular matrix because the amount I would be able to convey to others in terms of their 'plan' and tactics. Since a little kid I felt embedded with the dark beings plans quite strongly. I could see through government propaganda at a very young age, and identifed it the first time I heard it and had analytical thought going.
As for subversion, when I was in my teens for example, I would get a distinct feeling that police were coming, when they were. When I was a kid I could read people's minds and also got clairevoyant thoughts about the outside world coming to effect me in some way, and always avoided it. I mean I would get distinct concepts from people directly from their mind to mine, and situations like being at a party and just 'feeling' the police were coming. They told me they subvert that in me, and have for a long time. They only let some through to study it, and see my potential they have said. I could always tell when people were lying to me, or saw me as inferior to their intellect as a child. I had a running joke on old people when young after seeing they didn't respect my intelligence. I played them as I wanted(nothing malicious, just got my way a lot).
As for karma, I don't feel I have much in this lifetime from actions done in this lifetime. Just about every bad thing I've ever done was mind controlled. Naturally I'm sure I would have made some mistakes, but not many. I've always held more wisdom than say, my parents on most things. I was a light hearted kid and teen, with little negative traits compared to the average of humanity. The only thing I can think of I regret that was not mind control, is watching one of my friends rob someone. An innocent guy. I stood there and did nothing, but knew it was wrong. I let gravities influence me more as a kid. I was very docile in ways. That was the only bad trait I can think of in my younger years.
With the removal of your free will it could be necessary for you to do a certain job to balance the 'matrix' that you or your H/S agreed to at another time. Our lives become pointless without free will as we are not working out any Karma and you would have just been born an animal. Your life certainly doesn't seem pointless as your contributing to opening up minds and asking as many critical questions as anyone. Therefore it could just be your Karma for a reason you don't yet understand, hence the need to live it.
Well I have had traits my whole life of being an ET in my previous life. I've been told this is my first life on this planet(a little similar to Inelia except I'm told I was 6th density). Maybe the negation of my free will is so I do not build up karma here, but can still carry out my life missions. Expanding minds, exposing corruption, informing people, increasing enjoyment, upping the life quality of those I can, progressing humanity in a direction that is beneficial to almost all inhabitants here, subverting the dark agendas present, and enjoying myself while I'm at it. All of it is controlled at this point. As I have said lately, I severely want to leave this planet if I don't think about those I would help. That makes it harder. But I'm getting this is my only go round on this planet. I hope I can make a difference. And I'm glad I didn't kill myself when feeling this world just isn't right for me when very young.
You may have a good point with karma. I would say my karma here is somewhat close to an animals. lol. Thank you for those thoughts, they may have helped me figure out more about my existence. :)
If so would it not be better withdrawing to a monastry or living as a hermit where your potentially less dangerous and also more able to meditate on your problems to resolve them?
I would rather have access to the internet, the ability to eat what I want, have people I love around, my own personal bed, and general freedom. I doubt many monasteries would accept someone who strongly dislikes their religion and would try to convert people from it at any opportunity in the right mood. lol. I'm not capable of lying to them without them controlling me. They would probably see me as crazy anyway. Living as a hermit would render my life pointless. I'm not here to have a good time or for much of a personal experience I think, although it's part of it too...
norman
13th May 2011, 14:28
Omniverse, maybe you are in training for a bigger task later.
Is this thread becoming a state of confusion around you too?
If you are feeling 'controlled', what about trying to reduce that to just feeling 'pulled'?
If you can get to that stage you can regard the rest of it a good daily tension workout. You'll have muscles of steel in no time.
Mad Hatter
13th May 2011, 14:30
Hi Omniverse,
Your thoughts regarding people just popping out of existance at a timeline juncture certainly has had my two neurons rattling a bit and I came up with more questions than answers.
My laymans take on the physics I've managed to get my head around to date had me thinking about the Dirac Sea concept. Particles that pop(spin) into and out of our reality. This lends credence to the multiverse(s) concept, holographic or otherwise. Also giving rise to the potential for an infinite number of them. Enough therefore to cater for one for each and every thought anyone has ever had to manifest in. I therefore have no doubt that I would find some quite uninhabitable...
This of course raises the possibility of the one we are all experiencing now as an agregate of all of them. It would also open up the possibilty of time travel being a case of rotating oneself into another universe and then back again. Although to move forward or backward in apparent time would require a difference in the pace of time along with the correct relevant direction within the alternative universe to accomplish such a feat.
Alternatively is the potential for the paralell universe to be mis alinged timewise, thus explaining the apparent instantaneous nature of time travel from the perspective of this reality. It would also be one way of explaining the dejavu experience and maybe that of being able to preciently avoid danger. It also raises the prospect of what we percieve as consiousness simply being some form of bleed through from those paralell realities. Of course once I started to think about the implications of loops my two neurons became very dizzy very quickly.:confused:
It seems to me for our perception of time to work we must have the function of memory operational. This then beggs the question how does memory work in the abscence of time? To get my head around that it seems to me that the concept of the eternal now which holds all potential actions within it seems to fit the bill and maybe what many refer to as the higher self is simply that which speaks from this point of all possibility.
But, and there is always one of those, the cynic within me says the whole timeline postulate could simply be political tool which can be used by anyone to claim they have achieved a particular outcome, ie avoided worldwide disaster, through their actions thus completeley dodging the matter of proof one way or the other... the you should have faith argument if you will...
Upon revision it seems I have just spouted a complete load garbage thus wasting everyones time so please accept my apologies if you deem this to be the case...it is what it is...
cheers
This from Omni:
As for karma, I don't feel I have much in this lifetime from actions done in this lifetime. Just about every bad thing I've ever done was mind controlled.
... raises many questions regarding our collective attitudes and emotions to the PTB/W.
They too (allegedly) have undergone severe "circumstances" from birth ... at least a lot of them have.
Not making excuses as I certainly am in no position to understand all the circumstances of all these things involved.
Just responding to Omni's statement and reflecting on the need for FORGIVENESS in this world. That might be a whole lot more important when all these "things" shake out than most anything else.
IMHO
Omni
if I had your birthdata it would reveal to me whether you need a team
to perform a major rescue operation like some south pole explorer
who fell into a deep crevasse, dangling on a rope..
or just the gentle nudge of a well-chosen word
or need to meet someone like yourself who spent a long time under MK bombardment and found their way to freedom
and can show you the way just by their example....
For each and everyone freedom is a possibility,
but how to get there varies for each person.
In all cases the first and foremost necessicity is the DESIRE...
then the need to search,
seeing the hopelessness...
then increasing the desire even more...
then the discovery of the real obstacle
the inner saboteur who lurks right inside the mind
the loudspeaker that the controllers can use to turn the volume up or down
once you figure out how to disconnect that you are halfway there
Hi Omniverse,
Hey :)
Upon revision it seems I have just spouted a complete load garbage thus wasting everyones time so please accept my apologies if you deem this to be the case...it is what it is...
cheers
I found your post beneficial and intelligent. I think you may be overly critical of yourself.
This from Omni:
As for karma, I don't feel I have much in this lifetime from actions done in this lifetime. Just about every bad thing I've ever done was mind controlled.
... raises many questions regarding our collective attitudes and emotions to the PTB/W.
They too (allegedly) have undergone severe "circumstances" from birth ... at least a lot of them have.
Not making excuses as I certainly am in no position to understand all the circumstances of all these things involved.
Just responding to Omni's statement and reflecting on the need for FORGIVENESS in this world. That might be a whole lot more important when all these "things" shake out than most anything else.
IMHO
It has been a theme of my contact, that when all is revealed, or in the process of being revealed, those who were traiteoous to humanity will be protected from retribution. They willingly gave in to the agenda of world Utopia in the simulation I was part of. And they were protected, and forgiven. Their curse was feeling the suffering they had created, and feeling shame for what they had done. And they would work past that with time.
I do agree many are conditioned and threatened with unbeatable power(in their eyes). One example I heard of was them as children witnessing another child die(A tactic used by the darker forces) in front of them, traumatizing them, and embedding the premise of 'you don't want to end up like that', this coupled with conditioning, rewards, seeing how stupid humans are, and other things, renders then an endarkener at times. Also, I personally do not believe in punishing a being for it's own unstoppable nature unless it has an effect on their soul traits if such exist. I do not believe in punishing a being for who they are naturally. I think there is a better way. I do agree in subverting potential of darkness output in such beings though...
Omni
if I had your birthdata it would reveal to me whether you need a team
to perform a major rescue operation like some south pole explorer
who fell into a deep crevasse, dangling on a rope..
or just the gentle nudge of a well-chosen word
or need to meet someone like yourself who spent a long time under MK bombardment and found their way to freedom
and can show you the way just by their example....
For each and everyone freedom is a possibility,
but how to get there varies for each person.
In all cases the first and foremost necessicity is the DESIRE...
then the need to search,
seeing the hopelessness...
then increasing the desire even more...
then the discovery of the real obstacle
the inner saboteur who lurks right inside the mind
the loudspeaker that the controllers can use to turn the volume up or down
once you figure out how to disconnect that you are halfway there
[snip]
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 15:08
Don't change timelines to change the world . I don't expect that of you . I most certainly wouldn't expect that of you if I were not willing to do it for myself.
Change it to improve the quality of your life, inner and outer, and see how the world changes around you.
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
Deborah (ahamkara)
13th May 2011, 15:37
Thank you Omniverse for sharing your personal experience and starting this thread. This is a beautiful example of why I choose to be a part of this forum. Genuine discussion, questioning and sharing of wisdom in a respectful, thoughtful way.
I experienced Inelia's information about timelines and felt that for me, much of it is potential - for example, when I watch a highly skilled Olympic gymnast, that is one potential for human beings, it doesn't mean I can, myself, go out and execute a routine on the balance beam. We have the potential, as humans, to change our situation much more effectively that MOST people think. I am just beginning to practice this skill. As we become more skilled, the abilities or perceptions increase exponentially (just from my own experience).
My last question, which you partially answered, is WHY you were targeted? It seems as if you were ID'd as worthy opponent or threat, and steps were taken to neutralize your influence. Your existence on this thread shows that the PTB were not entirely successful! :). Sending you kind thoughts and peace. Namaste.
TimelessDimensions
13th May 2011, 16:09
Less talk, more practice..
I assume your referring to zen? I believe this would be highly beneficial to Omni as he seems to have so much outside interference.
It was a general comment for everyone.. i'm not picking on omni hehe
Thank you Omniverse for sharing your personal experience and starting this thread. This is a beautiful example of why I choose to be a part of this forum. Genuine discussion, questioning and sharing of wisdom in a respectful, thoughtful way.
I agree. Great discussion in this thread :) You said it perfectly. I'm glad to have contributed to that.
I experienced Inelia's information about timelines and felt that for me, much of it is potential - for example, when I watch a highly skilled Olympic gymnast, that is one potential for human beings, it doesn't mean I can, myself, go out and execute a routine on the balance beam. We have the potential, as humans, to change our situation much more effectively that MOST people think. I am just beginning to practice this skill. As we become more skilled, the abilities or perceptions increase exponentially (just from my own experience).
I agree. Dedication leads to wonders. But I'm not sure that is the same as what Inelia and Bill are saying. Someone in PM said(who said I could post his PM) that my views aren't too different than Bill's or Inelia's. I agreed with it. I just wouldn't mind debating my OP(either side actually lol). Debates end up in good things if no ego or insults are involved. I feel a debate could lead to better clarity on the subject. But this topic has been perfect without any debate as it is...
My last question, which you partially answered, is WHY you were targeted? It seems as if you were ID'd as worthy opponent or threat, and steps were taken to neutralize your influence. Your existence on this thread shows that the PTB were not entirely successful! :). Sending you kind thoughts and peace. Namaste.
I've been told a bunch of different contradictory things over the years. What you said in above quote makes the most sense to me. I do think they cannot subvert me fully for one reason or another. That they walk a fine line between what they can subvert and what they cannot. I still strongly wonder who really is involved in my situation. And I hope TPTB in human form doesn't have as advanced mind control technology as is used on me. The stuff done in unison to music in my mind seems to be far above what they would have. But maybe I'm wrong. I just don't see them spending too much time and resources on recreational technology like that. Maybe they do though... Maybe it was just given to them, too.
ceetee9
13th May 2011, 16:24
Great thread Omniverse. I, like you, have an open mind about this subject and certainly would like to believe that what Inelia and others have said is true, but I still have a hard time understanding and accepting this theory that we can simply “choose” a different timeline if we don’t like the way our current timeline is going.
Here’s why I have a hard time buying into this theory. I adhere to the idea that we are all sparks of the Creator (i.e., we are the Creator experiencing its creation in an infinite number of ways—dimensions, space and times). And I like to believe each of us is endowed with free will to choose our experience/timeline and, because of this, each decision point we encounter creates at least two paths of which we can only choose one. If this is true then there are a virtual infinite number of timelines for every sentient being (i.e., there are an infinite number of universes with all possible permutations of choice for all sentient beings). That is mind-boggling enough to consider.
Assuming this is the case then there is literally no decision that any of us can make that hasn’t already been made—unless, of course, we consider the possibility that a new universe is created for each of us at the point in which we (in this dimension, space and time) make a decision (i.e., we each create a new timeline for our self, complete with all people, places and things, at every decision point).
If this first assumption is true then do we truly have free will? In other words, if no matter what decision we make it has already been made by some instance of us then where’s the free will? Perhaps we can choose to live in a world of peace and harmony rather than the insane world in which we now live. But if that’s possible then what happens to the instance of you who chose the point that you just stole from him or her? Did that instance of you choose to live in the insane world that you just left? Or does he/she have no choice but to swap places with you? Or does he/she just disappear?
If the second assumption is correct then we truly do have free will. We can choose our destiny. If this is the case then the Creator cannot experience every possible situation. Using the above example, if I choose to live in the world of peace and harmony that I long for then have I cheated the Creator out of experiencing the insane world that exists in our current timeline? Do I destroy all of those who would have no such thing (i.e., do I destroy TPTB who live for wealth, power and control)? What about them? Do they not have the same potential to choose the world they now have with no people like me who want no part of their world? Who wins? If we both win and both timelines exist in some dimension, space and time, then I must exist in both timelines. Yet I do not wish to exist in the insane world timeline. So do I disappear in that timeline or do I have no choice but to accept it (i.e., do I truly have free will)?
I believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience. And as a human I “know” that I am a very good person who believes in the Golden Rule (i.e., live and let live) and wish only to live in peace and harmony with all sentient beings and nature. So if this is my true spirit then why would I choose any other existence? Why would I need to incarnate in a world full of hate, war, greed, and people who feel the need to control every aspect of people’s lives? I do not need to learn that lesson. I know it is a dead end street.
If I truly have the power to not only choose the life I long for, but to actually live it in this dimension, space and time, then why would I have chosen, for instance, to experience an existence where I woke up one morning to find my sixteen year old son dead in his bed, or to experience watching his mother deteriorate from a horrible genetic disease only to die from it 18 years later? What lesson was it I needed to learn from these things that were so alien to my spirit? I certainly would never have knowingly chosen this path. So if the paths I (or the Creator) chose for me to experience have already been pre-determined before I incarnated here and I am now consciously unaware of those paths that I “needed” to experience, then what true free will do I have?
I find it incredibly hard to believe that any sane person or soul would wish to live in a world with all the greed, hate, killing, and controls we have apparently co-created. Are we really this out of touch with our true spirit? Or are we mere pawns in the Creator’s game to experience its creation in all manifestations? If either is true then what hope do we truly have for creating the kind of world that I certainly would love to create and that I’m quite sure most, if not all, people would love to create?
I know what I've written sounds pretty fatalistic, I don’t mean it that way. I truly want to believe we can create our own destiny, and without a doubt we can to a certain degree, but I just have a hard time believing we can to the degree that some claim we can. I pray I’m wrong and welcome any enlightenment and constructive criticism.
9eagle9
13th May 2011, 17:16
We aren't CHOOSING a different time line like forcing our way into a seemingly impossible scenario. We are only choosing to create conditions for change so that what we desire can be expressed.What do you choose? A great outcome or a crappy one...? I prefer a better 'great' actually. WE are creating the conditions for the timeline to shift on it's own. We can't think our way into a time line, we have to create the conditions inside of us to allow it to express. It will then happen naturally.
And no if we have embedded influences and subconscious influences imposing pressure on our existence we do not have full capacity for free will until that conditioning is removed.
Then one can hear for them SELVES what their soul is speaking to them without influence from someone else. What if my soul spoke up and said my contract states I am to have no contracts. Would that make my soul wrong because it didn't abide by the rules of execution.
Do the work and let your soul express on its own what's going on. That's the point.
I have to reemphasize both of them would have an easier time of this if they applied what they know about body memory and intelligence to the timeline or life aspect of it. Its very simple. I mean when you overstate things to the extent that no one wants to try this because the don't understand it one is defeating their own purpose
I have no idea why simple concepts have to be made so complex, I really don't. Its self defeating. Literally SELF defeating.
Mandala
13th May 2011, 18:39
Omni, this is not from me, but from Tom Kenyon. It may give you some things to ponder. Mandala
The Art of Jumping Time Lines
Although it may seem paradoxical to some, your timeline—your life—is only one of many simultaneous possibilities. And it is quite possible, indeed it is your birthright, to alter your timeline and the potentials of your life.
Your culture, for various reasons, has hypnotized you into believing that you are limited to one timeline. In this message we shall endeavor to discuss our understanding of timelines and how you can change them.
Whenever there is an increase of chaotic events, there is a convergence of multiple timelines. Due to the fact that your planet has entered a Chaotic Node and is experiencing ever-increasing levels of chaos, there is also an increase in what we call time nodes.
Time nodes occur when two or more timelines converge. As a result of their close proximity oscillation effects sometimes occur when the realities of one timeline bleed through, or are psychically perceived by those on a neighboring timeline. Strong timelines can also literally affect the possibilities and/or probabilities of other timelines within a time node. In other words, creative and novel effects often occur within timelines when they enter a time node (proximity to other timelines).
These are evolutionary jumpstarts that hold tremendous possibility for accelerated evolution if you understand how to utilize them. As a result of the volatile nature of events on your planet, there are multiple time nodes emerging. This is a very complicated and complex affair, and we shall endeavor to break it down into its smallest segments, for we believe that this information has vital significance for those of you engaged in the ascension process, and for its sheer survival value. Let us turn our attention to the larger picture first and then to the individual strategies we suggest.
Background
Your planet is poised on the brink of utter transformation. The form of this transformation has multiple expressions, and it is you—the collective—that will affect these outcomes to a greater or lesser degree.
Some of these outcomes, these possibilities, fulfill the prophecies of planetary destruction and purification. Other timelines, other expressions, reveal a different outcome. A sudden unexpected shift in human consciousness could bring the Controllers, who have so negatively affected your destiny, to their knees. And there are hundreds of other possible timelines between these two polarities. There are vested interests in your society who wish you to remain hypnotized, which wish for you to continue in the delusion that you are limited to one timeline, one experience of life as they so deem it.
But you have, within your nature, the ability to change timelines and probabilities at the last moment of any event—whether it be personal or collective. We do not say this to be “positive.” We say this as a matter of fact concerning your evolutionary potential. Whether you will collectively reach this potential or not remains to be seen, but the path of an Initiate is to reach upward for the highest potential, regardless of what may or may not be happening around him or her. Thus, in this message we shall discuss what you can do, and how you do it.
From our perspective, your collective destiny is the summation of individual choices that you, as persons, make. This is combined with evolutionary and terrestrial forces that are far beyond your and your fellow humans’ abilities to control. This collection of forces also involves cosmic patterns of energy and intentionality from areas of the cosmos beyond your local solar system, for you are a part of a complex cosmic matrix that is your universe.
If we were to use a metaphor, we would say that you, as humanity, are on a great ocean vessel. But many of you are asleep, and there is someone at the helm directing this vessel that should not be there. For many historical and trans-historical reasons, which we won’t go into here, various beings have commandeered your ship.
But, ah, how the tides are turning. More and more of you are waking up, though some, still half-asleep, stagger across the deck as they watch the tempestuous storm of their world changing before them. The Controllers know that many of you are waking up—too many for their comfort.
It is, indeed, an interesting time to be alive!
The current ecological situation in the Gulf is one example of multiple timelines. In spite of your media’s grand attempt to dismiss the situation, many are sensing how dire the situation is, and indeed, there are complications in the Gulf region that are beneath the surface, both literally and figuratively.
In our previous message we addressed several possible timelines for this event. Which of these possible timelines will unfold into your three-dimensional reality is not written in mud or concrete, but is a changeable event or outcome. In this message we wish to discuss how you, the individual, can jump a timeline into a different destiny at a moment’s notice. This can be extrapolated to your civilization also jumping timelines, but that is a topic for another time.
For the moment we wish to turn our attention to you, the individual human and how you can jump from a disastrous timeline—from an outcome you do not wish—to something more benevolent, life-friendly, and full of evolutionary potential.
For the record, there are technological means to jump timelines, but our information here deals with human consciousness, and how you, through the power of your own awareness and intention, can jump timelines. For this endeavor, you already possess two of the greatest treasures in your very own nature—your sovereign will (to make choices) and your capacity to feel. These two, when combined properly will allow you to jump timelines as you so desire, as co-creators of your reality rather than being mere pawns on a chessboard.
The Fundamental Principle
The fundamental principle, for jumping timelines, involves the coordination of a few significant fields of intentionality.
1) You identify the timeline you wish to move into.
2) You shift your vibrational state to match the timeline.
3) You lock in the vibrational state so it does not waver.
4) You take an action that is an expression of the new timeline.
5) Persevere.
In this fifth stage, you must hold the vibrational state of the new timeline you have chosen, making choices coherent with the new timeline and persevering with this despite sensory information to the contrary.
This last phase of perseverance is important, because your current timeline is an accumulation of your beliefs and intentions. Depending upon the strength of these beliefs and intentions, you may have to accumulate a vast amount of energy in order to overcome the set pattern of your life.
The information we are sharing can be used to address any timeline or expression in your life, down to the most mundane situation. In this message however, we will be addressing this methodology for jumping timelines in regards to the ascension process and how you can move into timelines different than the timeline of the culture you are currently residing in.
This is, for some, a revolutionary idea; but for us it is simply a truth about your nature. You are creator gods and goddesses, and this information we are sharing is simply your birthright. We offer it to you at this time with the anticipation and hope that many of you will jump timelines and tilt the keel of the ship you are upon and take the vessel into safe and prosperous waters.
Enough of the metaphors now, let us get to the nuts and bolts of how you jump timelines.
Ascension
The ascension process, from our perspective, involves the energizing of your second body, your KA, and its elevation in vibration so that it emits more light, eventually becoming the SAHU, the Immortal Energy Body. There are many ways to raise the vibration of one’s KA. Most of your spiritual traditions have their own methods for raising your vibration, unfortunately, many of them are also riddled with dogma, taboos, and quite honestly, interference patterns from thought-forms placed by those who did not and do not desire your freedom, but who profit by your imprisonment.
And, yes, it is sad to say that some of your spiritual traditions—and especially your religions—are insidious traps, and if you are to rise upward in the ascension of your own being, you must separate truth from falsehood. Only you can undertake this task, for it is one of the necessities of mastery. This is a line in the sand of consciousness itself for those who have chosen the ascension of their own being. They become masters of truth and do not step aside from ferreting out falsehood from reality. They are not slaves to dogma. They bow to no one but their own divinity.
From an energetic standpoint, the ascension process begins when your life force, called Sekhem by the ancient Egyptians, begins its ascent up the Djed, or sacred pathway of the chakras. This is ascension in its simplest form. It is the expansion of consciousness and awareness. As your life force enters your higher brain centers and as your KA body becomes energized, you enter another phase of ascension. At this phase, you begin to metabolize light itself. By light we refer to spiritual light, a light that exists in the spiritual realms. This light feeds the KA body and increases its vibration. When the KA body reaches a certain amplitude, or strength of vibration, without wavering, it ignites with a type of etheric fire, turning it into the SAHU, or Immortal Energy Body. This could be viewed as one of the final stages of this particular form of ascension. But what we wish to make very clear is that any movement upward in consciousness and movement of life force up the djed, regardless of the method used, is part of the ascension process.
We wish now to discuss some basic concepts and training strategies that will impart a basic method for jumping timelines. We will then turn our attention to how you can create a new probability for yourself, even in the midst of what appears to be great difficulty. And most importantly, we will explore a significant evolutionary opportunity that exists within your current time node.
One of the first tasks facing you if you are to jump into a different timeline is the transcendence of fear. Most humans fear the unknown, but there is a much more insidious element involved here. The Controllers, those who wish to control your destiny and profit by it, are masters of the projection of fear and they are using vast resources of mind control and hypnosis through the media to convince the masses that there is much to fear. And while there is, quite frankly, some truth to there being reasons for fear, the higher truth is not being revealed.
The higher truth, as we view it, is your capacity to change your reality, your innate ability to use the two treasures of your sovereign will and your capacity to feel as a means to navigate into new timelines. Let us be specific here.
As we mentioned earlier, the type of ascension we are speaking about begins with the simple movement of your life force up the djed, or spine, into your higher brain centers. As this takes place, the energy wheels within your KA body, called chakras, become activated in new ways. This opens windows of new possibilities, and new insights, new forms of inspiration and creativity blossom. But if consciousness is locked into fear, it becomes imprisoned by the lower centers, the impulses for survival, sex, and power.
For various historical and trans-historical reasons, as we alluded to earlier, there has been and continues to be, a collusion to keep humanity locked into the lower centers, to perpetuate fear as a means to control destiny. Thus for any master who chooses the upward path, one of the first hurdles to pass through is the Valley of Fear—the projected thought forms of one’s culture. You must then pass through the portals of limitation that would confine you, to recognize the lies that have been perpetuated, even by some of your most sacred religions.
But let us say that you have the courage and fortitude to undertake such a passage, and let us say, for the sake of example, that the timeline you wish to live in is one of benevolence: loving kindness. Here is how you would do this, remembering that the same principal applies to any timeline you wish to create for yourself.
Preparation and Training
The first step is to identify the timeline you wish to create, that you wish to live in. In this case it is a timeline of loving kindness. The second step is to move into the vibrational state that matches the timeline. In this case, it is the feeling state of loving kindness, so you would, yourself, reside in this state as much as you are capable of. By this we mean you would exhibit loving kindness to others and to yourself.
The third step is locking in the vibrational field, so it does not waver. This is an important aspect of jumping timelines because the old vibrational state has a life of its own. Just because you have chosen to create a new timeline and have stepped into a vibrational state that matches the timeline, is not a guarantee that the timeline will manifest or continue. You must lock the vibrational field in place, for this is what sustains your access to the new timeline.
The first two steps involve your sovereign will. You choose a timeline you want to experience. You choose a vibrational state that matches the timeline. And in the third step—locking in the vibrational state—you use the second treasure of your nature: your capacity to feel.
By feeling the vibrational state you wish to be in, you amplify it; you strengthen it. And if you also include a coherent emotional state such as appreciation or gratitude for the vibrational reality, you will hasten its birth.
This simple act of appreciating, or feeling gratitude, for the new timeline catalyzes its reality in ways that boggle the mind. So it is that the two treasures of your nature are joined together in these three steps. The next step requires your sovereign will again. You must persevere, to hold the vision of the new timeline and the vibrational state, regardless of what your senses are telling you. This is the passage where many fail.
The manifesting of a new timeline into your three-dimensional reality requires accumulated energy. If you persist in holding the vision of the new timeline, with the vibrational field (or feeling of it), along with gratitude for it already existing, you will accumulate energy.
The task here is to be true to your vision while paying attention to what the current reality is showing you. It is not about pretending. It is about facing reality as it presents itself to you while simultaneously holding a higher vision. In other words, you deal with the reality of your life while simultaneously holding the vision of a different life. This is the art.
Using our example, if you desire to create a life with more loving kindness, you would move into that vibrational state by exhibiting loving kindness to others. If you were able to also feel gratitude for this vibrational state, it would accelerate the creation of the new timeline.
In reality, there will be a period when you will recognize that not everyone is capable of loving kindness, nor of receiving it for that matter. Your vision will then be refined by the realities of life, and this maturation of your consciousness will take place naturally, as you deal with the realities of your current timeline along with the emergence of your new timeline.
One result from this way of proceeding is that you will become a master of loving kindness and a master in dealing with those who cannot express such vibrational states. Eventually you will experience a life of more loving kindness, where more people express that quality to you and you to them. And when you encounter someone unable to express this quality, you will be more able to deal with him or her without losing this quality in yourself.
Thus would you seed the new timeline and new reality for yourself.
Let us now return to the collective timeline.
As we said earlier time nodes are juncture points where multiple timelines converge, and you can jump from one to the other if you understand how it is done. We just explained the basic principal as it applies to individual timelines. Now let’s discuss how you can jump to a different timeline than that of any given collective.
As paradoxical as it may seem it is quite possible to live a separate timeline, having a different experience of life than those around you.
Let us say that again another way. It is possible to live in heaven while others are living in torment. At the deepest levels of consciousness it is simply a matter of choice.
We do recognize that you have been, and are continuing to be, manipulated by forces that desire to keep you imprisoned. But our choice in this communication is to give you keys to jump out of that imprisonment, not dwelling on the history of it, or the identities of those involved. For, in truth, the true Controllers are unseen by you. They are the Puppet Masters.
As chaotic events escalate you will have many opportunities to jump timelines. Our suggestion is to remember the steps we discussed earlier. You might experiment with this method by choosing to conduct an experiment. Choose something that you would like to unfold as a reality in your life and using the steps we discussed, see what you can create.
Physical and Spiritual Survival
Our essential reason for imparting this message involves something of greater consequence than creating personal desires. This “something” literally has to do with your survival, both physically and spiritually.
As chaotic events escalate, your powers of intuition will be more important to you than ever before.
Some people call them “hunches.” Without knowing how you know, you suddenly know what to do in a situation.
This is how intuition works. In these moments of intuition you are at a juncture point—a time node—where you can jump into a different timeline and a different outcome.
This increase of intuitive receptivity is one of the hallmarks of personal ascension, or the movement upward in consciousness. A more developed intuition has obvious physical survival benefits.
A moment ago we said something that may be paradoxical to some individuals. We said that the ability to jump timelines had both physical and spiritual survival benefits.
What we meant here is that the ability to jump a timeline into a different outcome can result in physical survival in certain situations. By spiritual survival, we mean that there are threats to your spiritual awakening. If you lose track of your own truth, if you lose the two treasures that you possess in your nature—your sovereign will and your capacity to feel—then you are spiritually in danger. Do not lose sight of these treasures in yourself. As chaotic events increase, and they shall—for this is the birthing of a new world—the Controllers will increase their efforts. Be leery of mind-control and of any thought form that limits your sovereign will and your ability to feel, regardless of its origins—even if it comes from one of your “sacred” religions.
Any thought form, no matter how dressed up in sacred garb or political correctness that would limit your sovereign will to choose or your capacity to feel should be avoided. This is a vital necessity for those of you who wish to survive this passage spiritually intact.
The Convergence of Timelines and the Alteration of Probabilities
Let us now turn our attention to the primary reason for this communication. Everything we have said up to this point is background and suggestions for the training of your own consciousness to jump timelines.
But now we turn our attention to two highly significant timelines that exist independently of your creation. They are of a different order of existence. They are not created out of your personal choice. And they exist in diametric opposition to each other.
You exist, as we have said on numerous occasions, in multiple timelines and probabilities simultaneously. One of the timelines you and humanity are living in at this moment is a fulfilling of the prophecies of doom and planetary destruction. This is a very real timeline. But, this is only one possible timeline. You are at a convergence point, a time node, where it is possible to jump from the doomsday probabilities into a new type of Earth and a new order of existence.
This timeline, which we call the New Earth, is a very different dimension of experience than your current reality. In this timeline, Earth is deeply honored and held in gratitude by the bulk of humanity, which understands and appreciates the truth that all life is interconnected.
Here, Earth is not ravaged and exploited for the sake of profit—at the detriment of her very ecosystem. Technologies have been transformed through the elevation of human consciousness. Gone are the life-threatening technologies and life damaging mindsets of your current era. Wars are a thing of the past. The Controllers who exerted negative forces upon your destiny through their manipulation of religion, economics and international affairs have relinquished their power. Life itself is held as sacred, and a new understanding of the sacredness of matter is embraced by humanity. There is no war between Heaven and Earth in this new world.
There are more things that we could say about this timeline, but you have a sense, we hope, of the difference between this timeline and the other that ultimately leads to doom and destruction.
There is one more thing we wish to say about this timeline of the New Earth. It is an attribute that we particularly appreciate. In this new timeline, the veils between the worlds are thin, and there is greater interaction between humans and intergalactic beings—such as ourselves—and with what you might call the devic and spirit worlds.
It is here that we must say it is not our intention to sway you, for we believe in non-intervention. We will not interfere with your free will. However, we are free to point out to you what we see.
In ancient Egypt there was a goddess called Maat, who held a set of scales, and upon death the heart of an Initiate would be placed upon the scales, and a feather would be placed on the other side. If the heart was as light as a feather the Initiate would be given entrance to the heavenly worlds—meaning higher states of consciousness. But if the heart was laden with negativity, regret, and sorrow, the Initiate would have to return to the lower worlds.
In a very real way humanity is at its meeting point with Maat. Every person who believes in the timeline of doom, destruction and horror will add to its reality. Everyone who holds as real the timeline of the New Earth will add to its reality.
You are not powerless in this situation. You hold in your very nature the power of radical change for yourself and the planet—especially for humanity. If you feel a resonance with this timeline of the New Earth, and if you choose to live in this new order of being, you will be adding your weight, so to speak, and helping to tip the scales.
We wish to say something we said earlier, for it is of vital importance. It is possible to live in heaven while those around you live in torment. This has little to do with your location in time and space, but more to do with your vibrational state.
If you feel the truth of what we are saying and choose to align with this New Earth, we welcome you to a new timeline and a new destiny.
Our suggestion is to go over the steps of how to jump timelines we gave earlier, and to begin the grand experiment. Enter the timeline of the New Earth and prepare yourself for the miraculous.
Finally—let the Earth speak to you. Let her caress you and transfer to you her deepest knowledge and wisdom. She shall be a great ally in the coming changes.
We shall give further information about jumping timelines and the New Earth in future communications. But for now, we hope you have a basic understanding of how to proceed.
As always, even in the midst of such great difficulties as you now face, we hold a higher vision for you, the human family. We see your hidden greatness, even though you may not see it yourself. We hold a light in this hour of darkness. It is just a reminder of the great light you hold within yourself. It is time to free this light within you. Future generations will be blessed by your ascent. May it be so.
The Hathors
August 3, 2010
Tom’s Thoughts and Observations
Several things caught my eye in this communication. First of all they used a term, trans-historical, which I had never heard before. When I asked them about this, they said it described a way of looking at certain types of intergalactic influences that transcend linear time. Thus, the influences they were speaking about were generated outside of time, as we understand it, but then showed up in our time line from pre-history until the present moment. I don’t completely understand all of what they are saying here. I am just passing it on.
Since they emphasized the significance of time nodes so many times and belabored the point of how to jump from one timeline to another, I asked them what the duration was for this current time node. According to them, this time node is highly significant because it contains multiple convergences of possible/probable timelines that will affect our planet and our destiny as a species. Two of the timelines they specifically mentioned were a timeline that fulfills the prophecies of planetary purification and destruction running along with a timeline that leads to a new more benevolent future, a timeline they referred to as the New Earth.
So when did this time node begin and when will it end? According to them, this particular time node of polar opposite destinies emerged into our 3D reality in July of this year and will continue in various permutations through July of 2013.
Please note, they are not saying that the New Earth timeline came into existence during this time node. In point of fact, according to them, this benevolent timeline has been going on for quite some time. But the polar opposite timelines of planetary destruction versus planetary renewal are now moving very close to each other (the time node aspect). Thus, if one knows how to jump timelines, it is much easier to do when the timeline you desire is so close to the one you are on.
The significance of this time node is that humanity is at a choice point regarding which timeline it will experience as a collective reality. And according to the Hathors, the reality that will prevail is being anchored through the choices we are now making, both as individuals and as a collective.
In this message, the Hathors have imparted a basic method for jumping timelines, which, as they indicated, is primarily information for those of us who choose to live in a different and more benevolent reality than the increasingly surrealistic and life-negative reality that humanity is currently living in.
The Training and Preparation section of their message can certainly be used as a method for personal manifesting. Indeed, those who are experienced with these types of matters would most likely consider this information to be Manifesting 101. But the simplicity of the method belies its profundity. The Hathors are masters at simplification of complex concepts and techniques, and this one is no different. However, their reason for sharing this basic method is not for manifesting desires, though it will work for this purpose; it is rather to present a method that will allow us to radically shift planetary realities— if not for the greater collective of our human family, then at least for ourselves.
I loved the metaphor they chose to describe our current situation—as a ship at sea. Indeed, our situation reminds me of what happened on the Titanic as it was sinking. The ship had hit an iceberg and the lower levels of the vessel were filling with water. At first they tried to hide the danger from those on the upper decks. And so the party went on, complete with orchestra, until the end was obvious.
In the manipulated media-hype of our consumer obsessed culture, few are pointing out that our ship, the S.S. Western Civilization, is severely listing to one side, or that it is sitting dangerously low in the water.
The Hathors believe that if enough people jump timelines, leaving the prophetic timeline of planetary destruction behind, and instead, enter the more benevolent and life-affirming reality of what they call the New Earth, many of the disastrous prophecies regarding our planet will not come to pass.
But they are also clear that even if the collective does not shift into a higher destiny, something remarkable will happen for those of us who have the courage to live a different reality than the one that is being impressed upon us by our current culture. “It is possible to live in heaven while those around you live in torment.”
There is something else in this latest message that I consider to be of vital importance—especially for those of us who are actually going to attempt jumping timelines. And this “something” has to do with our human capacity for delusional or “magical thinking.” In case you aren’t aware of that term, magical thinking is a thinking disorder in which the person believes that just by thinking something, it is real or can be made real without any effort on his or her part.
There is, in my opinion, a highly toxic element in New Age thinking that encourages denial as a means to cope with certain difficulties in life (i.e., magical thinking). And to be sure, the current and escalating insanity of our world is increasingly difficult for many of us to cope with. But if someone reading this thinks that denial is an acceptable means to deal with the realities of our current timeline, I wish to point out that the Hathors are saying something quite to the contrary.
Part of the art of jumping timelines is to hold the vision and vibrational signature of the timeline we wish to experience. But at the same time, we need to pay attention to the actual realities of the timeline we are on. This is living between the worlds, and this is the type of mastery the Hathors are calling us to.
I suspect that many of us who choose to jump timelines (myself included) will encounter a learning curve, where we fall short of being able to leap to the new timeline and/or fail to sustain it. This is completely normal when learning a new skill, and yes, this is essentially a new skill—albeit a profound one. So my advice to all of us neophyte timeline-jumpers is to be gentle with ourselves, leave self-judgment behind, and enter into this type of learning experience with a good sense of humor. After all, the whole thing is, from at least one perspective, a grand cosmic joke.
How we navigate the realities of a transforming (some would say dying) civilization, while keeping our hearts and minds on the timeline we wish to live in, will undoubtedly become an art form.
And so… to my fellow Artists of the Living Mystery, to those of you who are enamored with the vision, and who have the courage to jump, I raise my cup to you.
I salute you and the great undertaking we are about to engage, which is nothing short of the ascent upward into our own highest qualities as spiritual beings living a human experience.
Blessings to you and your loved ones,
Tom Kenyon
NancyV
13th May 2011, 20:35
What about "contracts" we allegedly sign before incarnating?
If true that would have a direct bearing on "free will" as well as the "option to jump timelines" would it not???
If true, it would, but where did this notion come from?
Can someone tell me that for sure?
It may turn out to be some kind of adopted 'comfort' that has crept into the language from 'who knows where'?
If it is true that contracts or agreements exist and were agreed to before we entered this "life", I look at them this way; the agreements were created AND agreed to by me so I can change them.
aranuk
13th May 2011, 20:56
I'm trying with great difficulty getting my brain round all this timeline choices Bill and Inelia spoke about. I have this scenario in mind: There is Bill & Inelia in their mindset/timeline thinking and feeling and acting in a world that at the time 21st December 2012 where there isn't anything that terrible having happened or happening. There is also these other two friends of mine who in their mindset/timeline expecting terrible things including the earth being hit by all sorts of electromagnetic waves and earthquakes every day. There beside them I am standing where in my mindset/timeline I think a pole shift is going to happen or has already happened. There are also in the region of 7 billion people who do not have any mindset/timeline except the one where the mass media has shaped them into zombies. Now where is the consensus here? Either Bill & Inelia turn around and say the world is ok just as we pictured it and look at each other and say "where is Stan" he has seemed to vanish and his two friends as well, you know the ones who thought the earth would be hit by EM waves. Presumably the 6 billion are still alive and well. In my reality where there was a pole shift both my two friends have disappeaared and Bill & Inelia have gone. But there are 4 billion people alive and 2 billion died. Then there my two friends reality where 5billion died including me,Bill & Inelia. There cannot be a reality timeline where we ALL are talking to each other. You see my problem here?
Stan
P.S. I'm sorry I thought I was posting no 17. I didn't notice there were more posts to read. I'm getting too old for this stuff.:noidea:
aranuk
13th May 2011, 20:59
Do we vanish when something terrible happens or do we vanish when we have a totally clear picture of our mindset/timeline in place?
Stan
HURRITT ENYETO
13th May 2011, 21:17
This is a fascinating and very 'now' issue to get a discussion going on.
But, if I'm going to stay in it past 1 post, it's going to have to be a discussion that excludes fiction.
The biggest problem with trying to get my head around the issues of timelines and consciousness shifts etc is that I completely 'lose it' as soon as anyone mentions some movie plot or great book of fiction.
I'd even argue that all the serious stuff we could be discussing here is almost completely pre nobbled by the mass immersion in fiction.
To all proponents of timeline shifting, I say this at the outset:
Drop the references to works of fiction and learn a new language with the rest of us.
Even if chasing creations of fiction down the path of realisation was a good idea, I still wouldn't want to be guided by the sorts of people who actually write that stuff for Hollywood.
I'm bored and sick of being expected to take a lead from professional illusionists. I want to hear a fresh and truly real explanation of the inclinations of others, especially on the subject of timeline shifting.
I got that off my chest.
Valid point(s) and well spoken :)
As far as movies, tv books or any form of mass media I suppose ... follow the money and you find those ol' rascals the illuminati (or whatever name/label you want to use).
For some reason (several debatable) "they" feel inclined to "suggest" to the masses what "will be happening". Cannot imagine it to be simple arrogance. I believe it has more to do with "them" understanding how consiousness creates reality much beyond what the masses suspect. Social engineering if you will. In essence what we see in most programming is simply that ... programming. Putting out the meme, if you will, of direction "they" are hoping to steer our collective consiousness into creating.
A bit off topic from timelines ... but Omni is our local expert on mind control so worth considering in this thread.
IMHO
My thoughts exactly Calz,
I don't believe each person can chose thier own INDIVIDUAL time line, but they can 'steer' it to a certain degree, otherwise there would be complete chaos IMHO.
This is why TPTB need to influence and steer Mankind constantly because the more people you have thinking (creating) a certain way the more powerful the the focus is to create the desired reality.
Otherwise TPTB wouldn't bother brainwashing the masses as they could simply create their own timeline.
They know how powerful thoughts are when you have millions of people thinking along the same lines.
Cheers
Hurritt
g.k.r
13th May 2011, 21:21
I'm trying with great difficulty getting my brain round all this timeline choices Bill and Inelia spoke about. I have this scenario in mind: There is Bill & Inelia in their mindset/timeline thinking and feeling and acting in a world that at the time 21st December 2012 where there isn't anything that terrible having happened or happening. There is also these other two friends of mine who in their mindset/timeline expecting terrible things including the earth being hit by all sorts of electromagnetic waves and earthquakes every day. There beside them I am standing where in my mindset/timeline I think a pole shift is going to happen or has already happened. There are also in the region of 7 billion people who do not have any mindset/timeline except the one where the mass media has shaped them into zombies. Now where is the consensus here? Either Bill & Inelia turn around and say the world is ok just as we pictured it and look at each other and say "where is Stan" he has seemed to vanish and his two friends as well, you know the ones who thought the earth would be hit by EM waves. Presumably the 6 billion are still alive and well. In my reality where there was a pole shift both my two friends have disappeaared and Bill & Inelia have gone. But there are 4 billion people alive and 2 billion died. Then there my two friends reality where 5billion died including me,Bill & Inelia. There cannot be a reality timeline where we ALL are talking to each other. You see my problem here?
Stan
the pole shif is underway, magnetic north is moving towards russia and they had to repaint lines at a u,s airport so you are correct in that anyway, sorry if its off topic, i think that its more about little things that you might change instead,, like if you was going to cross the road without a crossing and you was going to get run over but you decide to use a crossing instead, that will change the timeline, i think its more subtle things, also i think it migth be about the powers that be plans in the world and how we can stop certain things from happening, through a conscious choice maybe, lets not let the new world order win for example, if everyone sits idle they will win but if people spread the truth like they have then more people are awakening from it, so that changes the timeline too, i think thats the point anyway, maybe im wrong, for instance, if the farmers dont use gmo crops and stick to the seeds they have now then maybe that will be averted too where the companies that make the gmo seeds that dont seed for the farmers to get seeds for next crops wont gain control of the food chain so easy,. hope im not way off course here
Sebastion
13th May 2011, 21:42
Mandala:
I am exceedingly grateful that you posted that article from the Hathors! Their description of how to go about experiencing higher consciousness and manifesting describes to a "t" exactly the steps I learned through trial and error many years ago. The proof was in the fantastic results I experienced when properly applied. It takes an iron will and unbending intent backed up by inspired thought. Loving what your doing while your doing it and a grand sense of adventure keeps one fueled during the process. Jumping timelines-sounds like another grand and awesome adventure and I am definitely in!!
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Omniverse:
Thank you, thank you, thank you for bringing up this topic!
ROMANWKT
13th May 2011, 21:51
Hi all
By my understanding of this is that all is mentation, its a mind thing,when you sleep and when you are awake, both are an illusion, that's the matrix. we are about to end a 26,000 year cycle, you could call it that our contract is about to end, check the Mayan calender, and you have date given for the last of days and nights which is the UNIVERSAL CO-CREATION.
I have now two dates of the start of co-creation as different people come out with different date, one starts on March 8th 2011, and the other starts at October 9th 2011, one shows every 18 days of a co-creation cycle, and the other shows every 20 days of a co creation cycle. they will finish in 2012.
By my understanding is that we all created this time line in the past and have returned to it since, it took our consensus to create this, we are the creators, and that's what TPTB don't want you to know.
There is a wave of a change on its way here, we have to set up a group, a consensus group to be able to change our time line for the next cycle coming.
The TPTB will start wars,create hunger fear and panic so that you will not be able to think of a future without them, they will steer the world consensus through their bullsh£t, all your fears and negativity will the be generated to the new cycle time line.
This is why Bill and Enelia are about to set thing up and will explain further of this process, I think???
My regards to all
roman
ps there is lots more its best they explain.
I'm trying with great difficulty getting my brain round all this timeline choices Bill and Inelia spoke about. I have this scenario in mind: There is Bill & Inelia in their mindset/timeline thinking and feeling and acting in a world that at the time 21st December 2012 where there isn't anything that terrible having happened or happening. There is also these other two friends of mine who in their mindset/timeline expecting terrible things including the earth being hit by all sorts of electromagnetic waves and earthquakes every day. There beside them I am standing where in my mindset/timeline I think a pole shift is going to happen or has already happened. There are also in the region of 7 billion people who do not have any mindset/timeline except the one where the mass media has shaped them into zombies. Now where is the consensus here? Either Bill & Inelia turn around and say the world is ok just as we pictured it and look at each other and say "where is Stan" he has seemed to vanish and his two friends as well, you know the ones who thought the earth would be hit by EM waves. Presumably the 6 billion are still alive and well. In my reality where there was a pole shift both my two friends have disappeaared and Bill & Inelia have gone. But there are 4 billion people alive and 2 billion died. Then there my two friends reality where 5billion died including me,Bill & Inelia. There cannot be a reality timeline where we ALL are talking to each other. You see my problem here?
Stan
P.S. I'm sorry I thought I was posting no 17. I didn't notice there were more posts to read. I'm getting too old for this stuff.:noidea:
I think i see your point. this entire discussion is making my brain hurt.... ouch!... Delores Cannon has described a major timeline shift where the Earth herself will split (multidemendionally, there will be 2 complete earths) and those who have chosen one over the other will not necesarily be aware of the 'other' that they did not choose.
"People who get left behind will think, "It's too bad _______ died believing what he (or she) believed." They won't be aware that anything has happened. The old earth will still be here, vibrating at it's lower frequency with terrible things happening to it, but the new Earth moves into another dimension vibrating so fast that it becomes invisible to those on 3d Earth."
Cannon is talking strictly about the 'splitting earth' scenerio, but as far as I am concerned it dovetails into ANY timeline change. To YOU I may die, right in front of you. And you will be sad that I was such a fool, believing what I did. I, on the other hand, May experience a similar situation where YOU die in front of me, and I am sad for you because you died believing whatever it was that you believed. This is an extreme example. Death need not be the outcome. Eventually, (imo) we DO experience the lives of what we would experience, were we to have stayed on the other timeline. If there is a timeline in which we ALL are together, maybe this is the one. Maybe not. I understand past lives and reincarnation to be an essential part of this conundrum. I explained in an earlier post my take on reincarnation, and why we are all ONE. let me take it a step further and suggest that our incarnations are NOT limited to this small blue planet. When folks say that ETs have come from around the entire 'multiverse' to witness the 'shift' taking place on earth, try and understand that only PART of them are sitting in their spacecraft watching, this is not a front row seat,,,, NOOO...!!! The ones who were most excited about seeing 'the show', incarnated here, and are experiencing it the same way that we are, AS HUMANS. (I am sorry if I just made a confusing subject, even more confusing.) .... ouch....! mee brain hurts...
truthseekerdan
13th May 2011, 22:11
Hi all
By my understanding of this is that all is mentation, its a mind thing,when you sleep and when you are awake, both are an illusion, that's the matrix. we are about to end a 26,000 year cycle, you could call it that our contract is about to end, check the Mayan calender, and you have date given for the last of days and nights which is the UNIVERSAL CO-CREATION.
Hi RomanWkt, there is a good info thread on the last wave (9th) of the Mayan calendar for those interested here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15573-Calling-for-transformation-March-09-2011
Much love ~ Dan
ROMANWKT
13th May 2011, 22:24
Hi all
By my understanding of this is that all is mentation, its a mind thing,when you sleep and when you are awake, both are an illusion, that's the matrix. we are about to end a 26,000 year cycle, you could call it that our contract is about to end, check the Mayan calender, and you have date given for the last of days and nights which is the UNIVERSAL CO-CREATION.
Hi RomanWkt, there is a good info thread on the last wave (9th) of the Mayan calendar for those interested here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15573-Calling-for-transformation-March-09-2011
Much love ~ Dan
That it, that's the one, you have made a fantastic thread there Dan, thank you.
my regards
roman
NancyV
13th May 2011, 22:25
The Fundamental Principle
The fundamental principle, for jumping timelines, involves the coordination of a few significant fields of intentionality.
1) You identify the timeline you wish to move into.
2) You shift your vibrational state to match the timeline.
3) You lock in the vibrational state so it does not waver.
4) You take an action that is an expression of the new timeline.
5) Persevere.
In this fifth stage, you must hold the vibrational state of the new timeline you have chosen, making choices coherent with the new timeline and persevering with this despite sensory information to the contrary.
This last phase of perseverance is important, because your current timeline is an accumulation of your beliefs and intentions. Depending upon the strength of these beliefs and intentions, you may have to accumulate a vast amount of energy in order to overcome the set pattern of your life.
Tom Kenyon
A good example of these steps in action is my husband. He has changed timelines MANY times in his life, but he doesn't call it anything or really think about it, he just does it. Here is a recent example:
About 4 years ago he went to a doctor and had some tests. The tests came back for him having diabetes. He got some medicine, the blood testing kit, etc. We decided to change his diet first before considering insulin. I did the testing for him daily and his blood sugar levels were very high, like consistently between 250 and 300. First he rejected the medicine because it made him sick. His blood sugar remained high so he continued the diet for another couple of weeks but he never went below 200.
Then he decided to quit the whole thing, the diet, the daily testing, etc. He just refused to have diabetes and high blood sugar because he didn't like that reality. He went back to drinking a lot of soda pop (YUCK!) and his normal diet that had plenty of sweets in it. I argued with him for about a week then realized that I better brainwash myself into accepting his reality as he is immovable when he makes a decision.
He would not waver from his thought that he did not have diabetes. I finally talked him into a quick test after about a month (which he did only to shut me up!) and his blood sugar had gone down significantly, to around 130. So I would say his will power (or whatever power it is) is so strong that he won't accept a supposed reality once he absolutely rejects it, so the reality MUST change.
He did the same thing many years ago when doctors told him he would never walk again without braces (injuries from a helicopter accident - two broken legs and had to have many surgeries). He absolutely would not accept that reality and it didn't take him more than 6 months to be walking with just a slight limp.
Many of us who are extremely stubborn and refuse to accept the proclamations of anyone else can alter the reality they are attempting to impose upon us. I don't accept anything from anyone as the absolute truth so I have changed my life and the outcome of many dangerous situations in some pretty radical ways just by the power of my will and access to the "force". 9eagle9 and loveandgratitude have posted good examples of using this ability. Here in Avalon and the alternative community in general probably the majority of us can change our timeline/reality/life using our willpower and the creative force.
I also like to look at it from a quantum physics viewpoint. I was looking for a particular video by Nassim Haramein, but what has been posted by Ponda in post #22 was some good info about quantum physics and temporal feedback loops. I can just hear Nassim laughing and saying "of COURSE you can change your timeline, you created it you can change it". His 9 part video on Youtube "Crossing the Event Horizon" is quite good. (especially if you're a physics nerd/geek!)
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Lazlo
13th May 2011, 22:30
For me, it helps to break this subject up into a couple of manageable pieces.
First, there is the TIMELINE. This is the path that we, as humanity, rolling through space on the big blue ball, experience and are part of. It can be changed, but individual actions are not "heavy" enough to tip the scales, only collective actions matter.
Then there are timelines. These are the paths that we, as individual follow. The world we create and choose to live in. Small decisions can have enormous impact.
TIMELINE is composed of billions of timelines. Collective actions do in fact change the future, but as an individual, you are merely playing along in TIMELINE.
TPTB inluence events, emotions, and actions in order to prevent individual choices from reaching critical mass and making the leap from changes in timelines becoming changes in TIMELINE.
The two most important factors that prevent changes in timelines are fear and inertia. Fear and inertia are not merely words, they are in fact powerful.
"I want to do something different, I feel that I should be doing something different, but things aren't so bad right now and I don't know what will happen if I make a change."
From personal experience, the single greatest change to my timeline that I made was also the scariest moment of my life. I made the decision because I knew it was the right choice for me, but I was so scared that I was physically ill. It felt like I wasn't going to be able to keep anything in my stomach. Everything external was screaming at me to turn around. But, I listened to the quiet inner voice and perservered, and my life took new and exciting directions that I wasn't even able to imagine then. I feel now like I am living a charmed life, blessed in every way, and I can trace it back to that moment of defeating inertia and fear.
So yes, I agree with what Bill and Inelia are saying, though I disagree with some of the semantics.
Belle
13th May 2011, 23:26
This is for you, Jake.
"Author’s Note: I wrote this some time ago and posted it here. Later on, someone posted the entirety of the text to 4chan without my name, and then reddit posted an image of that page. Somewhere along the way the authorship got lost in the shuffle. So to be clear: Yes, I wrote this. No, it’s not a repost from somewhere else. This page is the original source.
The Egg
By: Andy Weir
You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way."
Belle,, I know we haven't connected yet on this forum. We have now!!!!!! I could not get through it without swelling up inside. thank you for your post... it means alot... now I cry....
Belle
13th May 2011, 23:40
Thanks, Jake. Your posts on this thread reminded me of this story. It has stayed with me since I first read it years ago. I'm so glad it touched you as it does me.
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 01:15
I think i see your point. this entire discussion is making my brain hurt.... ouch!... Delores Cannon has described a major timeline shift where the Earth herself will split (multidemendionally, there will be 2 complete earths) and those who have chosen one over the other will not necessarily be aware of the 'other' that they did not choose.
That began occurring Spring of 2010.Or rather the shift tipped it over into a place where one couldn't avoid noticing it. Earth based shifts have increased so much over the last two decades. 20 years ago it was once or twice a year, then once a month, then once a week,s every few days, and since spring of 2010 its every day, sometimes a few times a day. It sounds divisional but its not really, not like choosing between the ascended and the sinners, it was entirely based on the choices people made. A part of the process not the end of it. Really just a move withing the matrix that allows for its grip on the earth level to be less dense. A portion of what some people may refer to as earth consciousness has been held under artificial conditions and that is when it began easing out of that particular matrix. Probably when they began horsing around with the ionsphere too much. They had an eff up with Haarp that was heard in my time zone (est) about 10pm and I believe the date was July 21-22. 2010. Woke me up from a sound sleep and all hell had broke loose 'out there' , and for the better if one could get past the chaos. Thats when the buzzing , a sub aural hum started for a lot of people who previously didn't hear things of that nature , it was buzzle up and them simmer down and come in fits and starts. Vibration of course causes vibration sounds ...also last year some of these liteworkers that are gridding into vortices and ley lines for no good end (although I'm sure think their well intentioned) suddenly found out they could do that any more. (pause for a brief smirk) . A lot of the people who are sort of intentional agents for that sort of matrix generating, programmers you know , people that are just corded into the crap .A lot of them disappeared off the map here, something slapped them down a notch. People on our level of reality , us commoners...lol. They got sat on pretty hard. Not all of them but one has the impression this is occurring in waves
The anomaly here on the property is idling full throttle.. I've entirely given up on the notion of ever making a cell call from here again. The distortion of the land the feeling that something is superimposed on it is stronger, and how people get directionally disoriented is worse.
I haven't opened anomaly this year so when I go work there in June I'm really curious as what may happen.
MariaDine
14th May 2011, 02:31
«The anomaly here on the property is idling full throttle.. I've entirely given up on the notion of ever making a cell call from here again. The distortion of the land the feeling that something is superimposed on it is stronger, and how people get directionally disoriented is worse.
I haven't opened anomaly this year so when I go work there in June I'm really curious as what may happen»
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Where are you 9Eagle9 ? and where are you going ?
The «waves» you feel are going to get «worse» ....LOL
Carmen
14th May 2011, 02:44
When you think of it. Timelines can be quite simple. Think of when you got into this 'spiritual/alternative/conspiracy stuff'. I bet plenty of your family and friends thought that you were absolutely 'cuckoo'!! You argued for awhile and so did they and then they sort of drifted away and disappeared from your life. You suddenly didnt have a whole lot in common. There was nothing to talk about, no point of agreement and you found those former friends quite boring. You had changed a timeline, a different frequency!
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 02:46
Oh I'm not going anywhere....lol. Not that I consciously plan on at the moment, some higher expression may have other plans for me that isn't being told to me because I'll get all bullheaded and argue about it. he he ..
I'm in Michigan. SE about 70 miles north of Detroit. Lots of pockets of anomalies around here. Time distortion, directional distortion. things of that nature.
I figured the waves would get worse before they got better...lol.
Belle
14th May 2011, 02:50
That began occurring Spring of 2010.Or rather the shift tipped it over into a place where one couldn't avoid noticing it. Earth based shifts have increased so much over the last two decades. 20 years ago it was once or twice a year, then once a month, then once a week,s every few days, and since spring of 2010 its every day, sometimes a few times a day. It sounds divisional but its not really, not like choosing between the ascended and the sinners, it was entirely based on the choices people made. A part of the process not the end of it. Really just a move withing the matrix that allows for its grip on the earth level to be less dense. A portion of what some people may refer to as earth consciousness has been held under artificial conditions and that is when it began easing out of that particular matrix.
I think you've come up with a possible explanation for what I have experienced for the last 15-20 years, 9eagle9.
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's like the earth "hiccupped" and things weren't put back exactly the way they had been the night before. ie the kitchen counter would be a bit higher or lower, or my little rose garden would be a bit further from the walkway/closer to the walkway, the stairs up to the front door would be a bit higher or lower just enough to make me trip going up or down them because the height of each step was off.
At first, it happened rarely. Now it's happening on a daily basis.
Could the earth based shifts be causing this? Like a "blip in the matrix" type of thing?
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 02:55
Could the earth based shifts be causing this? Like a "blip in the matrix" type of thing?
And bleed thru. Some refer to it as ' dimensional shift' but more like bleed through...
Belle
14th May 2011, 03:06
I have experienced many strange things in my life, but on this topic my lack of knowledge makes it difficult to express what I want to say, and to understand what is said.
But on the bright side, you didn't call me crazy! :)
Carmen
14th May 2011, 03:11
Belle, the desire to know something magnitizes people books and situations to gain that knowledge. We all start off on the edge of knowing, and it is hard to put into words. Don't beat yourself up because of lack of knowledge of anything. I have a little/big saying I use when approaching unknown stuff. That is: 'eat your elephant one bite at a time!!!'
sandy
14th May 2011, 04:38
Thanks, Jake. Your posts on this thread reminded me of this story. It has stayed with me since I first read it years ago. I'm so glad it touched you as it does me.
WoW Belle, WoW Jake, Wow Me! Thanks to all of US:)
silvervioletrubie
14th May 2011, 05:40
I don't mind any talk of timelines in this thread, but what I will be mainly addressing and asking for feedback on, is this post by Bill:
...
My question to you. Do you see evidence you chose your timeline? Or not. If you have, or have not, please reply with your thoughts if you have the time. I would appreciate it anyway...
May the Truth be Revealed,
-Omni
Here is how I believe I choose my timeline.
There are points in life where major decisions are made, these are nodes that represent splits in the timelines. In these nodes your mind resides in a particular place. By steering your mindset at these nodes you can steer your timeline. Invisioning your free will decisions to lead you to a timeline you would like, will take you there
The timeline I currently perceive has a defined past, but an infinite future of possibilities and I am in control of the direction by the freewill choices I make. So where do I want to go? It is up to me and the possibilities are
infinite.
Be at Peace, and have a great journey !
Mad Hatter
14th May 2011, 07:42
That began occurring Spring of 2010.Or rather the shift tipped it over into a place where one couldn't avoid noticing it. Earth based shifts have increased so much over the last two decades. 20 years ago it was once or twice a year, then once a month, then once a week,s every few days, and since spring of 2010 its every day, sometimes a few times a day. It sounds divisional but its not really, not like choosing between the ascended and the sinners, it was entirely based on the choices people made. A part of the process not the end of it. Really just a move withing the matrix that allows for its grip on the earth level to be less dense. A portion of what some people may refer to as earth consciousness has been held under artificial conditions and that is when it began easing out of that particular matrix.
I think you've come up with a possible explanation for what I have experienced for the last 15-20 years, 9eagle9.
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's like the earth "hiccupped" and things weren't put back exactly the way they had been the night before. ie the kitchen counter would be a bit higher or lower, or my little rose garden would be a bit further from the walkway/closer to the walkway, the stairs up to the front door would be a bit higher or lower just enough to make me trip going up or down them because the height of each step was off.
At first, it happened rarely. Now it's happening on a daily basis.
Could the earth based shifts be causing this? Like a "blip in the matrix" type of thing?
In light of this part of the conversation, my wife would like to ask if anyone else is percieving this a tremors or shaking of sorts. She is now getting these sorts of sensations almost daily but gets very quizzical looks from those around her at work if she asks them if they felt it....
Maybe having lived with me for so long she is slowly losing the plot, lol, but I know her to be way more advanced spiritually than I am so I would not dream of discounting what she describes as happening...
sheddie
14th May 2011, 08:32
Thank Mandala for reminding me of this :)
I read it when it first came out it's one of the best explanations of timelines that I have read and reasonates strongly with me; it also works :happy:
Tom Kenyon's site has loads more info and some great free music downloads to help you on your way.
http://tomkenyon.com/hathors-archives
Enjoy
valx
Omni, this is not from me, but from Tom Kenyon. It may give you some things to ponder. Mandala
The Art of Jumping Time Lines
Although it may seem paradoxical to some, your timeline—your life—is only one of many simultaneous possibilities. And it is quite possible, indeed it is your birthright, to alter your timeline and the potentials of your life.
the pole shif is underway, magnetic north is moving towards russia and they had to repaint lines at a u,s airport so you are correct in that anyway
A bit of clarity here.
The MAGNETIC pole shift is underway. No denying that.
That does not necessarily mean there will be a PHYSICAL pole shift.
I'm in Michigan. SE about 70 miles north of Detroit. Lots of pockets of anomalies around here. Time distortion, directional distortion. things of that nature.
I figured the waves would get worse before they got better...lol.
Ah ... at last ... a reasonable explanation for what happened to the domestic auto industry :car:
:sorry: my bad ... back to topic. :offtopic:
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 09:55
Yeah it depends on the person, some hear it, and some people feel it buzzling in their own field which gives one the impression its the air or ground vibrating.
Bleed through has a distortion and perspective effect on things expansion and contraction and things appearing to slip or slide, tilt, slither away as 3d perception is challenged, even if the object hasn't moved. Some people have told me everything seemed to get sharper angles and more like two dimensional. Occurrences are usually early in the morning, even if one is fully awake. I was tempted a few times to dismiss it as me still being half asleep but in all honesty I wasn't. But again its up to people's personal sensitivity and how they perceive things.
If anyone has ever admitted to having a hangover and how things seem to move, not the head spinning effect , but things appear to be moving but aren't really ...you get a good idea.
That began occurring Spring of 2010.Or rather the shift tipped it over into a place where one couldn't avoid noticing it. Earth based shifts have increased so much over the last two decades. 20 years ago it was once or twice a year, then once a month, then once a week,s every few days, and since spring of 2010 its every day, sometimes a few times a day. It sounds divisional but its not really, not like choosing between the ascended and the sinners, it was entirely based on the choices people made. A part of the process not the end of it. Really just a move withing the matrix that allows for its grip on the earth level to be less dense. A portion of what some people may refer to as earth consciousness has been held under artificial conditions and that is when it began easing out of that particular matrix.
I think you've come up with a possible explanation for what I have experienced for the last 15-20 years, 9eagle9.
Sometimes when I wake up in the morning, it's like the earth "hiccupped" and things weren't put back exactly the way they had been the night before. ie the kitchen counter would be a bit higher or lower, or my little rose garden would be a bit further from the walkway/closer to the walkway, the stairs up to the front door would be a bit higher or lower just enough to make me trip going up or down them because the height of each step was off.
At first, it happened rarely. Now it's happening on a daily basis.
Could the earth based shifts be causing this? Like a "blip in the matrix" type of thing?
In light of this part of the conversation, my wife would like to ask if anyone else is percieving this a tremors or shaking of sorts. She is now getting these sorts of sensations almost daily but gets very quizzical looks from those around her at work if she asks them if they felt it....
Maybe having lived with me for so long she is slowly losing the plot, lol, but I know her to be way more advanced spiritually than I am so I would not dream of discounting what she describes as happening...
Yeah it depends on the person, some hear it, and some people feel it buzzling in their own field which gives one the impression its the air or ground vibrating.
Bleed through has a distortion and perspective effect on things expansion and contraction and things appearing to slip or slide, tilt, slither away as 3d perception is challenged, even if the object hasn't moved. Some people have told me everything seemed to get sharper angles and more like two dimensional. Occurrences are usually early in the morning, even if one is fully awake. I was tempted a few times to dismiss it as me still being half asleep but in all honesty I wasn't. But again its up to people's personal sensitivity and how they perceive things.
Wonder if that is what has been going on in Florida the last couple months. There was a video that went viral (believe it was posted somewhere on avalon). Last week there was another incident that didn't get as much air time but people were hearing rumbling noises and felt some shaking. The "authorities" denied anything out of the "ordinary" was going on.
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 10:08
I bought a Nissan product and they all just gave up and collapsed knowing they'd never win my favor back (GRIN)
I'm in Michigan. SE about 70 miles north of Detroit. Lots of pockets of anomalies around here. Time distortion, directional distortion. things of that nature.
I figured the waves would get worse before they got better...lol.
Ah ... at last ... a reasonable explanation for what happened to the domestic auto industry :car:
:sorry: my bad ... back to topic. :offtopic:
Carmen
14th May 2011, 10:11
Yes, Ive been getting strange symptoms, like buzzing, vibration (I think its another earthquake but then I realize its 'inner' Also a spacey dizziness. Blamed it on my resent cold but maybe its not. Anyone else getting strange symptoms?
shijo
14th May 2011, 10:22
Do we vanish when something terrible happens or do we vanish when we have a totally clear picture of our mindset/timeline in place?
Stan
I hope neither Stan. I cant get my head around this stuff,i can see choice or intention changing our lives sure, i can also see a dirty great bomb doing the same.
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 10:46
It's entirely possible that this effect is coming into the physical. The wave effect and it keeps getting stronger. Would eventually effect 3d density.
If one viewed it figuratively as earth awareness (not the right word but for common perception suffices) as an octopus caught in a bubble consider that one or two tentacles have gotten free and are lashing around.
I usually open my medicine wheel in spring. I was emphatically warned not to and if one looks back between March 18 to the 22nd there was some funky stuff going on. Supermoon, Libyan invasion. Things of that nature.
Yeah it depends on the person, some hear it, and some people feel it buzzling in their own field which gives one the impression its the air or ground vibrating.
Bleed through has a distortion and perspective effect on things expansion and contraction and things appearing to slip or slide, tilt, slither away as 3d perception is challenged, even if the object hasn't moved. Some people have told me everything seemed to get sharper angles and more like two dimensional. Occurrences are usually early in the morning, even if one is fully awake. I was tempted a few times to dismiss it as me still being half asleep but in all honesty I wasn't. But again its up to people's personal sensitivity and how they perceive things.
Wonder if that is what has been going on in Florida the last couple months. There was a video that went viral (believe it was posted somewhere on avalon). Last week there was another incident that didn't get as much air time but people were hearing rumbling noises and felt some shaking. The "authorities" denied anything out of the "ordinary" was going on.
Their is much I could say but don't have the time right now.
Only to reiterate what has been said. Your sovran right is not to be infringed upon in any way.
build your wall affirm this right in every cell in your body and outer bodies. put up a fire wall of light all around your self
May the divine spark of divinity grow in you like the sun and know this to be so.
By the divine grace of your sovran right to chose.
Be relentless.
It can not be under estimated how tough it has been, but you are remarkable that you are still here.
and the wisdom [thou unwonted] you have gained, will be of service.
I ask for the divinity in all of us and the Creator to heal your wounds, much love and blessings to you.
Lettherebelight
14th May 2011, 11:07
We have the power to exert some control over the events of our lives. We are able to make choices of action that will have varied outcomes. We all make decisions, like 9Eagle9 said, everyday, that influence the world that we are experiencing.
However, and this is the part perhaps some will be unwilling to accept, I offer it nevertheless as the Vedic version. I must emphasise it is not born of my fertile imagination, nor is it the concoction of mental speculation...
The extent of control we are able to exert is determined by the influence of the modes of nature. There are three modes of nature ('gunas', or ropes) which make
up the material universe. Nothing material exists outside their influence. These
three modes of material nature (or tri-guna mayi) are:
tamo guna (mode of ignorance or destruction),
raja guna (mode of passion or creation), and...
sattva guna (mode of goodness or maintenance).
They determine one's entire conditioning..behavioral, physical..everything. They are
determined by our actions, in this life, and previous lives.
This material universe is highly stuctured and governed by strict natural laws. Spiritual consciousness...( that's us!), is injected into the material world, animating it, making it appear alive. We exist in a construct, and these modes of nature are difficult if not impossible to overcome. Do not delude yourself into thinking they are easy to rise above or to control.
Having said this, the conditioned living entity is able to make choices in his own actions and beliefs, raise awareness and increase personal capabilities to various levels...even to very high levels.
The Vedas include many accounts of individuals who have, by performing focussed,
sustained austerities, acheived amazing capabilities. The great sage Kardama
Muni astounded even himself when he manifested a huge aerial spaceship by his yogic prowess. (Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 3-Capter 24)
So, whilst it's true that we are the controllers of our destiny, it is not possible for the individual livng entity to rise above the three modes of nature, entirely, without the assistance of the Supreme Controller.
To this I would like to add, that this information is neither religious, dogmatic or sentiment. It is a science, in regard to laws of nature...the science of energies, both material and anti-material.
Belle
14th May 2011, 11:58
Thanks, Jake. Your posts on this thread reminded me of this story. It has stayed with me since I first read it years ago. I'm so glad it touched you as it does me.
WoW Belle, WoW Jake, Wow Me! Thanks to all of US:)
Shines a new light on the idea that we are all one, doesn't it? Since first reading it I've been kinder and more forgiving to myself and "everyone else".
Wow..this thread is a time line all of it's own
and since I had been thinking recently about my self image...
which is an important thing to do when contemplating time lines...
I noticed how my self image has shifted in recent years.
Where before a lot of my spiritual efforts had to do with addressing racism
they now are to do more and more with weather control...
Calming things down by maintaining inner calm...
yesterday's quake was a good example...
I told it to stop and it stopped.
(It might have helped that I also called on the spirit of Bahaullah to lend a hand...)
oceanz
14th May 2011, 13:10
Quote from Carmody in the 'Time does not exist thread' http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17054-TIME-DOES-NOT-EXIST-verified-my-previous-posts-today-by-BBC-NEWS/page2
Atomic structuring of vorticies, or the vortex of atomic structure that is made up of an 'inne' and an 'outie' of a minimum of two 2d waves. What I mean is that two 2d waves meet and one is at a different vibration and intersect with the other and thus at their meeting point they create a 'particle' and the particle has a inner spin and an outer spin and this balance out as a dual vortex. This is the Fibonacci aspect of the particles that make up an 'atomic structure' we call an atom.
http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2011/05/04/twist_strip.jpg/image_full
Using the information that Carmody has presented and the picture above, my interpretation of time would be the lines orbiting the Earth would be the man made creation of a unit called "time". In the case of Earth, lets say 365 days.
The vertical lines would be 'Past, Present, Future" and where they intersect the orbiting lines of "time" I would class as "Now".
So imagine more orbiting lines and horizontal lines and where they intersect would be "Now, now, now, now" infinite.
So at the smallest measurement of "time" the "Now" is you "Past, present and future".
Anyway, that's just my interpretation. (copy of my original post in Magnetic Time Vortex over Antartica).
Using the picture above I think the orbiting lines around the Earth are time but perhaps more accuarately once's lifecycle.
Depending on how long you lived during that lifecycle that band will be thick or thin.
The vertical lines I would describe as somebody's timeline. I think this timeline does not extend in a straight line but rather is more like a wave (particle) between the lifecycles.
I think timelines are bundled into a rope or strand (like DNA) with family and friends and at the crest of the wave (mid way between lifecycles) is the highest point of ascension.
At this ascension point this rope (of timelines) is very narrow and tied to a bridge (possibly with gates). It is at this point where hopefully your previously past family or friends have hold of the rope sending you messages or trying to keep other gatekeepers away.
I don't think all timelines are positive and I think thats why we strive to change our timelines into positive ones so other gatekeepers don't take over our timeline and force us on to theirs making us endure the same lessons we have previously learnt giving us a feeling of dej ja vu.
In the physical world I don't think you can change your timeline, more likely just change it which would affect your past, present and future.
Getting back to the bridge on the top or crest of the wave. Once other family members or friends start ascending (meaning they have physically passed) they then start descending ---> why not, if you can ascend then you can descend?
Perhaps it is why children die so young, people commit suicide because instead of having to share their physical lifecycle for a a typical lifespan 70 years they would rather spend it in the spiritual world.
Looking at the pic above maybe we are at the top of the lifecycle lines.
Perhaps there is a mirror image on top of this picture and that is the final ascension which eventually leads back to all being one.
So don't think you "choose" your timeline but I do think you can "change" it. However if you don't change it in a positive way all the timelines that are negatively charged will all end up on one side and would be too close to other peoples timelines and may be influenced by them.
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
I would still make a distinction between those two terms
For a belief in Karma implies a tidying up effort...making a blank slate
Whereas believing in timelines, and then choosing consciously,
means all one has do do is overcome writer's block...or painter's block...
that last obstacle
before getting on the feeder ramp of the real cosmic highway
Buddha could have learnt a thing or two around here, hehe...(that's blasphemy, I know, naughty ulli)
I recall a story by Osho...whereby the spirit of the Buddha walked into him,
and after just three days he fled...couldn't handle life in the 20th century at all...hehe....
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 13:45
The division of two earths may be an attempt to repair the unified field and the time space continuum discovery somewhat alludes to that.
Because people have been tearing at the field up until at least the last two seconds ago, that which is tearing it could be separated from it and those who have the tools to repair it may be able to repair without people running along behind them scissors poking more holes in it. Holes turn into wholes.
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
I would still make a distinction between those two terms
For a belief in Karma implies a tidying up effort...making a blank slate
Whereas believing in timelines, and then choosing consciously,
means all one has do do is overcome writer's block...or painter's block...
that last obstacle
before getting on the feeder ramp of the real cosmic highway
Buddha could have learnt a thing or two around here, hehe...(that's blasphemy, I know, naughty ulli)
I recall a story by Osho...whereby the spirit of the Buddha walked into him,
and after just three days he fled...couldn't handle life in the 20th century at all...hehe....
Dear Ulli,
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
At this precise moment this a a perfect place to work,
it's a bit smelly, but there is work to do!
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
If you go to a nice snuggly place, one, I will miss you,
two, you will waste your time in a god realm.
Having to leave will be painful...and I will feel sad.
All the best
pie'n'eal
The division of two earths may be an attempt to repair the unified field and the time space continuum discovery somewhat alludes to that.
Because people have been tearing at the field up until at least the last two seconds ago, that which is tearing it could be separated from it and those who have the tools to repair it may be able to repair without people running along behind them scissors poking more holes in it. Holes turn into wholes.
ulli bowing in shame...back into her corner...
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 13:57
I wasn't naming names....lol.. It really just amounts to pulling the curtain climbers off the drapes so the tailor can make the repairs .
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
I would still make a distinction between those two terms
For a belief in Karma implies a tidying up effort...making a blank slate
Whereas believing in timelines, and then choosing consciously,
means all one has do do is overcome writer's block...or painter's block...
that last obstacle
before getting on the feeder ramp of the real cosmic highway
Buddha could have learnt a thing or two around here, hehe...(that's blasphemy, I know, naughty ulli)
I recall a story by Osho...whereby the spirit of the Buddha walked into him,
and after just three days he fled...couldn't handle life in the 20th century at all...hehe....
Dear Ulli,
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
At this precise moment this a a perfect place to work,
it's a bit smelly, but there is work to do!
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
If you go to a nice snuggly place, one, I will miss you,
two, you will waste your time in a god realm.
Having to leave will be painful...and I will feel sad.
All the best
pie'n'eal
the trickiest part about understanding this, or should I say EXPLAINING this,
is to do with the difference between words (mind) and experience (whole being)...
you said:
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
I would have to write for weeks just to give you the explanation of each one of those bolded words
and I won't because I simply don't FEEL like it right now
and I am NOT being rude here,
because I love you dearly
suffce it to say
that it is my KARMA to choose a timeline, by staying RIGHT HERE
and yet not have any cataclysm happen...
and you know all of that already
paradise exists all around, even in the 3D world of Costa Rica
as people here have just taken a major leap in consciousness
seeing the miracles happen during and after
yesterdays powerful and frightening quake...
and words that you dangle in front of my nose
such as these:
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
mean nothing to me
while they are YOUR PATH....
mine is the TIMELINE PATH...like separate leaves, same tree
Lazlo
14th May 2011, 14:26
Crazy thought just occured to to me, so play along for a minute while I work this out....
If real, alternate timelines are like parallel paths that are separated by a "membrane", sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner...
And, it has been said that ETs are concerned because nuclear blasts cause rips in the membrane and effect the other side...
What if this membrane is like your skin. A small cut bleeds and causes damage, but it can be healed.
Now imagine that there is a global nuclear exchange, or something unexpected at CERN's LHC, and the cut, or cuts, are so severe that it causes the victim, in this case our timeline, to bleed out...the membrane has been ruptured and the veil has been torn down. This could explain ascension as some follow one timeline, and doomsday as some are caught in the other timeline.
Could this explain why RVers and the looking glass experimenters have a wall, or blank space around 2012? Because the membrane has been ruptured and multiple timelines occur simultaneousy?
Is this why people see different futures, because they are seeing only the timeline that they end up on?
Thoughts anyone?
I wasn't naming names....lol.. It really just amounts to pulling the curtain climbers off the drapes so the tailor can make the repairs .
not naming names?
Climbers?
Taylors?
Repairs?
there's no hiding in the new trans-pair-ency...
eagles spotting eagles...
9eagle9
14th May 2011, 14:41
They're metaphors if I didn't speak in veils someone would be ratting me out to a moderator because their feelings got hurt.
jackovesk
14th May 2011, 14:44
Don't often comment on these type of threads...
Don't understand what all the Fuss is about?
Let me put it another way...
'YOU ARE YOUR OWN TIMELINE'
Who am I trying to Fool, right?
You have always known this, so what's the 'Big Secret'?
Crazy thought just occured to to me, so play along for a minute while I work this out....
If real, alternate timelines are like parallel paths that are separated by a "membrane", sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner...
And, it has been said that ETs are concerned because nuclear blasts cause rips in the membrane and effect the other side...
What if this membrane is like your skin. A small cut bleeds and causes damage, but it can be healed.
Now imagine that there is a global nuclear exchange, or something unexpected at CERN's LHC, and the cut, or cuts, are so severe that it causes the victim, in this case our timeline, to bleed out...the membrane has been ruptured and the veil has been torn down. This could explain ascension as some follow one timeline, and doomsday as some are caught in the other timeline.
Could this explain why RVers and the looking glass experimenters have a wall, or blank space around 2012? Because the membrane has been ruptured and multiple timelines occur simultaneousy?
Is this why people see different futures, because they are seeing only the timeline that they end up on?
Thoughts anyone?
That makes sense to me. At this point some are locked into specific timelines, others are not. I love that you called parallel paths 'membranes'. The "M" in "M-band theory" (built upon string theory) stands for 'membrane'. Physicists have already hit their heads on this 'wall'. The vibrating 'strings' which create the energetic base that our reality is patterned after, are a bi-product of (interdemensional) membranes, coming into contact and creating resonating relationships between differing demensional realities. It also makes sense that the advanced AI computers that are busy 'predicting' the future, are running into this same 'problem'. It may also be why certain predictions come true and others do not. (like you already mentioned). It may also be why the PTB are holding onto their secrets so closely. The more awake and aware we are, the less control they have over the timelines. It also may be why they do not care about the deaths of BILLIONS of people, because they know that those souls are not dead, just on to another timeline. It makes me think that this IS a prison planet, contrived to keep as many souls from 'freeing' themselves as possible. By taking OUR POWER they control the timeline. ;)
Crazy thought just occured to to me, so play along for a minute while I work this out....
If real, alternate timelines are like parallel paths that are separated by a "membrane", sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner...
And, it has been said that ETs are concerned because nuclear blasts cause rips in the membrane and effect the other side...
What if this membrane is like your skin. A small cut bleeds and causes damage, but it can be healed.
Now imagine that there is a global nuclear exchange, or something unexpected at CERN's LHC, and the cut, or cuts, are so severe that it causes the victim, in this case our timeline, to bleed out...the membrane has been ruptured and the veil has been torn down. This could explain ascension as some follow one timeline, and doomsday as some are caught in the other timeline.
Could this explain why RVers and the looking glass experimenters have a wall, or blank space around 2012? Because the membrane has been ruptured and multiple timelines occur simultaneousy?
Is this why people see different futures, because they are seeing only the timeline that they end up on?
Thoughts anyone?
no thoughts...
stunned. I LOVE this!
Now we are talking!!! :ranger:
Lazlo
14th May 2011, 15:26
Crazy thought just occured to to me, so play along for a minute while I work this out....
If real, alternate timelines are like parallel paths that are separated by a "membrane", sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner...
And, it has been said that ETs are concerned because nuclear blasts cause rips in the membrane and effect the other side...
What if this membrane is like your skin. A small cut bleeds and causes damage, but it can be healed.
Now imagine that there is a global nuclear exchange, or something unexpected at CERN's LHC, and the cut, or cuts, are so severe that it causes the victim, in this case our timeline, to bleed out...the membrane has been ruptured and the veil has been torn down. This could explain ascension as some follow one timeline, and doomsday as some are caught in the other timeline.
Could this explain why RVers and the looking glass experimenters have a wall, or blank space around 2012? Because the membrane has been ruptured and multiple timelines occur simultaneousy?
Is this why people see different futures, because they are seeing only the timeline that they end up on?
Thoughts anyone?
That makes sense to me. At this point some are locked into specific timelines, others are not. I love that you called parallel paths 'membranes'. The "M" in "M-band theory" (built upon string theory) stands for 'membrane'. Physicists have already hit their heads on this 'wall'. The vibrating 'strings' which create the energetic base that our reality is patterned after, are a bi-product of (interdemensional) membranes, coming into contact and creating resonating relationships between differing demensional realities. It also makes sense that the advanced AI computers that are busy 'predicting' the future, are running into this same 'problem'. It may also be why certain predictions come true and others do not. (like you already mentioned). It may also be why the PTB are holding onto their secrets so closely. The more awake and aware we are, the less control they have over the timelines. It also may be why they do not care about the deaths of BILLIONS of people, because they know that those souls are not dead, just on to another timeline. It makes me think that this IS a prison planet, contrived to keep as many souls from 'freeing' themselves as possible. By taking OUR POWER they control the timeline. ;)
String Theory is exactly why I used the membrane reference. I once had a "mystical" experience when immersed in a book on string theory and modern physics, so this explanation of reality really resonates with me.
Prison Planet or School of Hard Knocks...;)
Mandala
14th May 2011, 15:31
Crazy thought just occured to to me, so play along for a minute while I work this out....
If real, alternate timelines are like parallel paths that are separated by a "membrane", sometimes thicker and sometimes thinner...
And, it has been said that ETs are concerned because nuclear blasts cause rips in the membrane and effect the other side...
What if this membrane is like your skin. A small cut bleeds and causes damage, but it can be healed.
Now imagine that there is a global nuclear exchange, or something unexpected at CERN's LHC, and the cut, or cuts, are so severe that it causes the victim, in this case our timeline, to bleed out...the membrane has been ruptured and the veil has been torn down. This could explain ascension as some follow one timeline, and doomsday as some are caught in the other timeline.
Could this explain why RVers and the looking glass experimenters have a wall, or blank space around 2012? Because the membrane has been ruptured and multiple timelines occur simultaneousy?
Is this why people see different futures, because they are seeing only the timeline that they end up on?
Thoughts anyone?
Yes I've heard like you, that those using looking glass technology came up against a blank spot or wall after 2012. Could it be that the timeline hasn't been written yet...... because it is graduation time?
Earth is a school, a tough school.
We have been taking classes. (Lessons to be learned)
We are in the process of completing classes and taking our finals. (Earth and humanity's evolution)
We are getting ready for an assessment test. (Our raise in consciousness as individuals and as a whole)
This timeline is the most important of all, and it is not written. It is being created as we go because it depends on how we do (consciousness level) with the course work we have been given to work on.
As individuals and as Unity Consciousness, the final grades (Timeline, positive or negative) will be calculated and designed, depending upon our attitudes, our view on where we want humanity to go, and our raise in consciousness.
We create the final outcome. We create our own graduation grade. We make it - Love based, not fear. This is the hidden secret, we create the one we want. ( These are the answers for the final)
HORIZONS
14th May 2011, 15:31
The only "timeline" as I see it is the one behind us - there is not a timeline before us that we can traverse. Timeline could be interpreted as "history" as this is the path you have traveled. We make our own personal timeline/history by the choices we individually make, and how we deal with those choices. But we are also sharing timelines/history on many other levels as well - on a corporate and global scale, to name a couple. When I made the decision to leave my corporate management career and move out to the country and work on a farm, I changed my timeline - I am on a new timeline from the one I previously had - but I still deal with all of the same internal things I have going on within me, even though ALL my external circumstances have changed. My timeline changed because of the decisions I have made - it is my history. But if the nuke plant that is 20 miles away blows up, or there is a massive earthquake, there is nothing I can do about it - I cannot change that timeline as it does not exist - except as a possibility - unless I choose to move from here before something like that happens.
Life is a chance to change - even our timeline - and we always have before us the ability to change something - externally or internally - but there are some things that are beyond our ability to change - therefore we must learn to deal with those "things" and learn and grow from them and thereby we are changing our personal timeline/history. You may very well create a utopia someday, but something or someone else may come along and change that. What is important is how we order our individual lives, for the degree that you learn and grow - change - in this lifetime to that degree will you take that change with you into another - IMHO. We can and do have influence in our personal timeline, and we have creative abilities to orchestrate change in our lives - even if that change is only within us - for that is the greatest change you will ever bring about anyway. Changing the external without changing the inner will only bring about more of the same, only in a new location.
So for me - I have changed my external timeline many times but the timeline I desire most to change is the one within me, at the level of Consciousness, and as that level of consciousness changes I begin to see the changes in my external situations as well. If this could happen on a massive global scale, then we would see massive global changes in our shared timelines - but it begins with each of us one thought at a time, and then becoming responsible for our actions and reactions to to our life issues. No two timelines are the same, but we can walk our timelines together if our goals are all the same.
Omni,
does the word "membrane" ring a bell?
Some membranes are made of iron, some of tin foil, some of elephant skin....
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
I would still make a distinction between those two terms
For a belief in Karma implies a tidying up effort...making a blank slate
Whereas believing in timelines, and then choosing consciously,
means all one has do do is overcome writer's block...or painter's block...
that last obstacle
before getting on the feeder ramp of the real cosmic highway
Buddha could have learnt a thing or two around here, hehe...(that's blasphemy, I know, naughty ulli)
I recall a story by Osho...whereby the spirit of the Buddha walked into him,
and after just three days he fled...couldn't handle life in the 20th century at all...hehe....
Dear Ulli,
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
At this precise moment this a a perfect place to work,
it's a bit smelly, but there is work to do!
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
If you go to a nice snuggly place, one, I will miss you,
two, you will waste your time in a god realm.
Having to leave will be painful...and I will feel sad.
All the best
pie'n'eal
the trickiest part about understanding this, or should I say EXPLAINING this,
is to do with the difference between words (mind) and experience (whole being)...
you said:
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
I would have to write for weeks just to give you the explanation of each one of those bolded words
and I won't because I simply don't FEEL like it right now
and I am NOT being rude here,
because I love you dearly
suffce it to say
that it is my KARMA to choose a timeline, by staying RIGHT HERE
and yet not have any cataclysm happen...
and you know all of that already
paradise exists all around, even in the 3D world of Costa Rica
as people here have just taken a major leap in consciousness
seeing the miracles happen during and after
yesterdays powerful and frightening quake...
and words that you dangle in front of my nose
such as these:
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
mean nothing to me
while they are YOUR PATH....
mine is the TIMELINE PATH...like separate leaves, same tree
Sorry I slipped into jargon ( I hate it when people do that....God I hate myself!)
What I meant by 'perfect place' was that here, now, emotions are intense.
These negative emotions on one level are bad, but on another level are great!
They can be flipped into pure perception. It is the fast path!!!!
I cannot remember if I have said this already (forgive me if I have ).
Take the emotion of anger. Pure perception (YOU) look out, sees a wonky picture
on the wall, or a wonky person. In the first instance the phenomena is seen, quite
precisely. But because of our habitual pattern in the mind we react. This happens very quickly,
and we did not notice that first instant. So anger take over, the wonky person gets upset, you feel
bad or guilty and you get angry at yourself.
That wonkiness has just pushed your button.
However it can all work in reverse! When you know your true nature (pure awareness)
then the moment the anger arises, intense anger, that in itself can show you your true nature.
Of course there is a residue of grumpiness left over, but it's no big deal.
You now know you can be free.
It's that simple!
So where you off to?
pie'n'eal
Dear all,
Isn't the word timeline just another name for karma.
Karma being the acquired mental luggage, which we have to drop.
With that process our life changes, then we can be of benefit to others.
pie'n'eal
I would still make a distinction between those two terms
For a belief in Karma implies a tidying up effort...making a blank slate
Whereas believing in timelines, and then choosing consciously,
means all one has do do is overcome writer's block...or painter's block...
that last obstacle
before getting on the feeder ramp of the real cosmic highway
Buddha could have learnt a thing or two around here, hehe...(that's blasphemy, I know, naughty ulli)
I recall a story by Osho...whereby the spirit of the Buddha walked into him,
and after just three days he fled...couldn't handle life in the 20th century at all...hehe....
Dear Ulli,
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
At this precise moment this a a perfect place to work,
it's a bit smelly, but there is work to do!
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
If you go to a nice snuggly place, one, I will miss you,
two, you will waste your time in a god realm.
Having to leave will be painful...and I will feel sad.
All the best
pie'n'eal
the trickiest part about understanding this, or should I say EXPLAINING this,
is to do with the difference between words (mind) and experience (whole being)...
you said:
Where are you going to go?
Your karma brought you here.
How do you know what is better?
I would have to write for weeks just to give you the explanation of each one of those bolded words
and I won't because I simply don't FEEL like it right now
and I am NOT being rude here,
because I love you dearly
suffce it to say
that it is my KARMA to choose a timeline, by staying RIGHT HERE
and yet not have any cataclysm happen...
and you know all of that already
paradise exists all around, even in the 3D world of Costa Rica
as people here have just taken a major leap in consciousness
seeing the miracles happen during and after
yesterdays powerful and frightening quake...
and words that you dangle in front of my nose
such as these:
This is a perfect place for Vajrayana practise.
The teachings are here...now..right in front of you!
mean nothing to me
while they are YOUR PATH....
mine is the TIMELINE PATH...like separate leaves, same tree
Sorry I slipped into jargon ( I hate it when people do that....God I hate myself!)
What I meant by 'perfect place' was that here, now, emotions are intense.
These negative emotions on one level are bad, but on another level are great!
They can be flipped into pure perception. It is the fast path!!!!
I cannot remember if I have said this already (forgive me if I have ).
Take the emotion of anger. Pure perception (YOU) look out, sees a wonky picture
on the wall, or a wonky person. In the first instance the phenomena is seen, quite
precisely. But because of our habitual pattern in the mind we react. This happens very quickly,
and we did not notice that first instant. So anger take over, the wonky person gets upset, you feel
bad or guilty and you get angry at yourself.
That wonkiness has just pushed your button.
However it can all work in reverse! When you know your true nature (pure awareness)
then the moment the anger arises, intense anger, that in itself can show you your true nature.
Of course there is a residue of grumpiness left over, but it's no big deal.
You now know you can be free.
It's that simple!
So where you off to?
pie'n'eal
about jargon...it happens in the best families...doctors (my husband) and astrologers (me) are prone to jargon slipping, too
I must say, when it happens, it happens, like s**t happens...no need for self hate...no need for hate, period.
It's all a matter of exploration...
for now I'm not off to go anywhere...
was just walking across our farm...
we farm these flowers:
(as well as avocado trees)
it's called Baston del Emperador
and the leaves grow to more than 20 feet tall...the flower just over 4 feet....
http://u1.ipernity.com/14/81/77/7488177.44727321.560.jpg
nearing
14th May 2011, 17:32
I want to marry a Costa Rican doctor and farm Avocados and gorgeous flowers.
Can I change my timeline to make this happen? Please? :~)
the timeline I asked for was slightly different...the things you mention were bonus extras
what I asked for was to live in a BALANCE point
Costa Rica is a mid point of the northern and southern hemisphere, check!
I had been poor, I had been rich, I wanted to find a midpoint there as well...
I asked for middle class living... check!
There is a list now, quite long....
self definition is about eliminating opposite extremes that give instability...
and finding a midpoint
being sickly in my earlier life (7 surgeries) I decided NO MORE...
doctor showed up, and at 62 I enjoy better health than ever....
first I had to get rid of some extreme prejudices against pharma to get there having been New Age for so long
some may not be willing to do that
this is a huge subject....my husband is learning about alternative medicine from me
while I am learning that some pharma shots save lives
meanwhile he is giving some of his patients astrological advice...
he is a natural, never read a single astro book...
just learnt from being around me...
nearing
14th May 2011, 18:01
If your husband ever needs to hire a partner (do they recognize PA's in CR?) I am well versed in alternative and Western medicine - but prefer to heal rather than throw meds at symptoms.
Funny how alike our paths have been ulli.
I am going to ask for more!! I see that this timeline can certainly be improved upon.
Love to all!
I want to marry a Costa Rican doctor and farm Avocados and gorgeous flowers.
Can I change my timeline to make this happen? Please? :~)
http://www.rawhabilitation.com/
Lord Sidious
14th May 2011, 18:03
I want to marry a Costa Rican doctor and farm Avocados and gorgeous flowers.
Can I change my timeline to make this happen? Please? :~)
http://www.rawhabilitation.com/
Meesa knows where Jake Jake Binks isa going for his holidays!
nearing
14th May 2011, 18:05
I want to marry a Costa Rican doctor and farm Avocados and gorgeous flowers.
Can I change my timeline to make this happen? Please? :~)
http://www.rawhabilitation.com/
Nice! Thanks Jake. Next trip may need to be to CR.
Rocky_Shorz
14th May 2011, 18:05
so if we are all floating along on different timelines, does that mean when we gather together on a focused intent we are all just pointing our timelines to direct towards a preferred outcome?
disaster in Italy predicted by a recent Prophet on the 11th...
with all of us "knowing" it wouldn't happen, made it disappear from our timeline...
the sheep are just along for the ride... shhh don't wake them... ;)
DianeKJ
14th May 2011, 18:12
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I can't speak to any of Bashar's other messages, as I don't follow him per say. But I saw this short video a few months ago and loved it. Thought I would share it as well. :)
wow. Jake, this website is giving us an idea...
but no...better not...
he is a village doctor...
does medical consultation for under $30
very involved with the local community...
and people in CR have little money...
and need a lot of assitance, still...
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I want to marry a Costa Rican doctor and farm Avocados and gorgeous flowers.
Can I change my timeline to make this happen? Please? :~)
http://www.rawhabilitation.com/
Nice! Thanks Jake. Next trip may need to be to CR.
I'll help you...
I think Bashar is great...
ulli not a follower either...
just getting inspiration from him whenever I can...
JoeNashville
14th May 2011, 20:38
TIMELINE - this is the title of the interview and clearly Bill's focus which if you listen, is flawed.
LINE - by it's nature is LINEAR, whether it's from point A to B, which is the most common, or a circle or a triangle or any other, it IS a set of points strung together and by default in a series of associated points or events that manifest in a quantifiable outcome.
TIME - a given point in absolute history which, in theory only happens once, in a linear fashion. That's sort of the point to it.
So, either Bill or Inelia are confused, or something, because the 'timeline' clearly is a series of events, recorded in time in a linear fashion. That said you could make the case that there are many timelines and there could be multiple timelines running parallel, or many other ideas which many people have presented, but that is not what Inelia or Bill for that matter are talking about in the referenced video...
Does nobody else see this?
SO given the video as a reference to this thread there is no way the two can correlate in a discussion.
Don't get me wrong, this is easily one of the best threads I've read on this board, but there is a clear disconnect between the two subjects.
As I was reading it and reflecting on my thoughts this suddenly dawned on me.
Something is wrong with the concept and terms of the video and it would be good for Bill to clarify. Maybe he did or does in other source material, but what was presented in video is seemingly a disjointed thesis of thoughts.
But whatever it takes to get a good thread going...
Much of this seems to forget the element of others in your same timeline. What do the "elite" do in Bill's timeline that he chose? What about their technology? Their agenda? Does Bill choose a timeline where they don't use it? I find that hard to believe. There may be holes in my reasoning right now though... I welcome anyone who can expose them to me(including Bill or Inelia).
-Omni
That's a very insightful point most people overlook. If you use the train analogy like Bill did, you can choose which train to get on, but you can't control when the train leaves, when it arrives or if another train may be running on the same track, especially when others are involved. But the elites OWN the train, so they control much more of what goes on. All of it? NO.
But their agenda is directly linked to us because without us they would actually have to work for a living. They can change their agenda, but it is extremely difficult. This end game period we are in is the result of a great deal of planning and execution on the part of the elites, so any rocking of the boat has potentially large consequences which many people have talked about.
Another point is the nature of the individual consciousness versus the collective consciousness of the planet. Part of the flaw of the Bill/Inelia video is that if you go off and pursue your own agenda overlooking the fact that we all have to live on the same planet, doing so is a dead end. Ultimately, we all will have to deal with and pay the price of the acts of individuals. And I'm not talking about in a collectivist/communal sort of way, more along the lines of the consequences of actions, whether individual or not, which is why we have to wrestle control back from the elites and steer it to a workable direction... and soon!
There are many good questions in your post to consider!
Ba-ba-Ra
14th May 2011, 21:13
Some years back my guides told me that Deja Vu moments were bleedthroughs. It took some time for me to get it and still not sure that I "have it" entirely. But here is where I am at the moment.
Einstein claimed all time is happening at once. So if that is true, past, present & future are all happening at once. And we have also been told thru science (quantum physics) and metaphysicians that we are all connected.
If the above is true, what keeps us locked into this body and timeline? hmmm
When I asked I was reminded of this fable: (not verbatum): God was looking down and saw some pigs rolling in the mud, mating, frolicking and they looked joyful - and God decided to have that experience . So down God came into a pig and got caught up in the experience. As time passed the angels became concerned, things needed tending in the universe. The angels came down and said: "God, you must come back, the universe needs you." And God replied, "are you talking to me, I'm just a pig."
I took that to mean that's what we've done. We've become so attached to this particular body, that we've forgotten who we are. Okay, so how do we get back?
When I asked Bill at the Sacramento gathering: "If we are all wise-knowing beings, then why do we come down here to learn when we already know everything?"
His answer was: That we become bored. That was an Ah-Ha moment for me. The realization was we just come down to experience a part (as in a play), but unfortunately (like God in the pig fable) we forget who we are and become caught up in the part. It's like an actor who takes on the role of Hamlet and somewhere in the play he begins to believe he is Hamlet and doesn't want the play to stop. So my question is: Are we keeping this play going because we've become attached to the other characters as well as the drama? Perhaps this is what non-attachment is all about. But I notice when I mention this to folks, they tend to say: but I don't want to give up my mother or father or children or spouse or career or___you fill in the blank__. So we keep ourselves stuck because of our attachment to some aspect of the role.
Can we take them with us? I oscillate on this, but I think not, BUT, if you begin non-attachment you will find that this timeline isn't as bad as you thought.
Deborah (ahamkara)
14th May 2011, 21:38
Omni - to answer your inquiry, for many, many years I had NO indication that I had chosen my "timeline". I was operating, as many do, in a state of near sleepwalking - simply reacting with attachment and aversion in the physical body. Now, there are tiny glimpses that I am beginning to develop the skill to "shift" a bit. I find Tom Kenyon's work on the Hathors very important, especially as we begin to move into a void point with no markers for reference. I have glimpses of the multiple existences that this soul/Higher Self is creating in the now - it is so vast as to be nearly incomprehensible, but it is there.
My intuition tells me that you are questioning and examining these ideas for an important reason. Stay strong. Namaste
Swanette
14th May 2011, 21:48
(I will be trying as hard as I can for as long as it takes. I'll try to post how this goes here. I did notice a good change after I said more clearly, "I want nothing to do with both sides of ETs and black ops etc if it means the negative will go away", there was a period of some months where they mind controlled, and manipulated me(strongly) into accepting the full end product of it all, but partially due to me not wanting the positive interactions to end. I never agreed to the mind control they do though. Just said I would not take a damaged brain(they have established a dependency on the AI to be my memory...) and a ruined intellectual capacity if all this went away... They still control me, but it has not been as intense. They moreso appear to be just doing spot work lately. Instead of me being 100% programmed and mind controlled in real time. So I'm hoping this changes further. )
_____
Hello Omni,
I am so sad reading about your frustrations. Please..remember you are not alone. There are others like you that are being spoken to and mentally 'interupted' with. Many of them are here on this site. But, I have a very good feeling that it will not last very much longer. It remindeds me of a quote from:
JOHN FRUSCIANTE from the Red Hot Chili Peppers: “I had just so many mental problems. It wasn't until I was 28 that my brain actually felt like a spacious place. When I was 18, 19, 22, my brain was just clogged all the time - non-stop voices. I couldn't figure out what was going on. There was a lot of confusion inside me, this flood of voices, often contradicting each other, often telling me stuff that would happen in the future, and then it would happen, voices insulting me, telling me what to do.”
I think amongst these voices, 'whoever they are' , you are learning something. Something that is very important for you and for all of us, too. :hug:
Swanette
14th May 2011, 22:06
...
As for timelines George Kavassilas proposes an interesting theory that there is only one organic timeline similar to the model of a tree, in which the trunk represents the organic pathway and every branch and offshoot are alternative/parallel timelines.. But in going down these alternative/parallel timelines you will eventually make your way back to the organic timeline, however it may take you a few years or eons of time.
Wonderful theory. This one resonates. Thank you! So in other words Bill and I could both be right. I don't feel like I can change my future much at all right now. I think this theory could potentially be contradictory to Bill's ambitions to be in a completely separate timeline. Something a s big as the planet enduring a E.L.E or close I think would deviate too much from the organic one. But Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe that is one of the "eons" ones :P[/QUOTE]
Oh yes and I tend to agree with the above theory of our chosen paths ultimately returning to back to the original. or something like that :)
:doh:
eaglespirit
15th May 2011, 19:12
Life in Front Of US ...
IS "Becoming" as Surreal-Real as Each of Us Chooses and Acts IN That Flowing-Flowering Direction!!!
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQp6IdR9ljGtNVuURWqmi1sWB-GvITRRp67-raKovO4VRux4PNsDQ&t=1
"Let Your Spirit Soar!"
Morgaine
16th May 2011, 09:13
I am posting this comment literally moments after watching Bills interview with Inelia. Upon hearing about the timeline theory I instantly had an amazing realization that this has been happening to me my whole life! I feel truly exhilarated to have come across this information.
So many times in my life I have felt a powerful 'shift' in my reality, or my experience of a given place/time, it has left me feeling lost, uncomfortable and confused as to why this was happening. I seem to have had no control over these shifts. They manifest out of the blue almost like what I would describe as a vibrational change..?
I could be happy in a relationship, get up, go to work, come home on the same day and everyone and everything feels unusual, different and almost 'behind' to put it simply. Once I can remember being 'told' it was going to happen, and I did NOT want it to. It involved leaving a place that I loved, and all my friends, but I had no control and sure enough the shift happened one day.
My goodness the more I think about it, the clearer it is...Every major event in my life has been preceded by one of these shifts it would seem.
What I want to know is how to gain control over my own timelines? And why are mine so erratic and seemingly outside of my control?
I am truly amazed the effect that video has just had on me.
EDIT: (after calming down!) I just want to clarify that I definitely have had the experience of these shifts in timeline, but for me it seems as though I have no control over them myself? Maybe another member can add something here that sheds some light on this.
Anchor
16th May 2011, 10:58
EDIT: (after calming down!) I just want to clarify that I definitely have had the experience of these shifts in timeline, but for me it seems as though I have no control over them myself? Maybe another member can add something here that sheds some light on this.
Here is a possibility - (A rewording of what I mentioned in chat earlier)
As you proceed through your life, you may notice a resonance (or discord) with that plan or mission which you set for yourself before you incarnated - am I doing, or contemplating doing something that is on mission or not. Flipping from one feeling to the other may feel like a "shift" of the sort you alluded to; also as you move through your life, learning/teaching/learning etc and experiencing you probably will some day realize that your awareness is expanded. Its happening all the time, but you probably only notice increases over a certain threshold of awareness. I would think this may also explain some of the sensations.
eaglespirit
16th May 2011, 12:17
Free Will and The Command of the Eagle...YOUR Personal-Timeline-Working-Rhythm
http://www.toltecmysteryschool.com/newsletter/april2002/020401.htm#free%20will
When the warrior becomes fully aligned to the Dreamer they have the Command of the Eagle at their hand. Toltecs call the Creator of the Nagual (all that is), the Eagle. When a warrior has the Command of the Eagle at their hand they have the power of the Intent of all creation.
When we are fully aligned to the Dreamer, the Dreamer’s will and our will are one. We have free will but it is the will of the Dreamer. For those new to Toltec lore, the Dreamer is the entity that dreams our particular lifetime. We are the dreamed, dreamed by the Dreamer, our life is the dream.
We begin aligning to the Dreamer when we embark on the Mastery of Intent. Most never make it this far on their path. We must start with the Mastery of Awareness and move to the Mastery of Transformation. This is where most get hung up. Progressing through the Masteries of Awareness and Transformation requires growth. Growth requires that we clean, clear, heal and strengthen the human tonal (in the human we can look at the tonal as the human personality, which consists of the mental, emotional and physical bodies). Growth has nothing to do with how much we “know.”
The cleaning, clearing and healing is not fun. It is work. It takes diligence and perseverance. It requires that we look at our inner and outer worlds as they are, without sugar coating, avoidance or denial. We must begin by looking at ourselves as we are, not how we wish to be.
In order for us to reclaim our free will and find freedom from the patterns and suffering in our lives we must clean, clear, and heal the tonal. The reason for this is simple, but maybe not obvious.
When we are very young and encounter pain due to the dysfunction in our families and society, the psyche’s response is to try to suppress the pain. When we are young we are not able to process the pains and injustices we encounter growing up. We are totally dependent on our parents and caregivers for our very survival. Our needs must be fulfilled by our caregivers. When our needs are not met, or when we encounter the brunt of our parents’ dysfunction, we are wounded. We engage all of our will to suppress the pains of growing up.
Most of us spend our entire lives suppressing the pains of life. We use all of our will to do this. Every time we suppress something we hide it from our awareness. Each time we suppress something from our awareness we add to our subconscious. By the time we are adults we have a huge dark wall in our inner world that blocks us from the Essential Self. This dark wall is our subconscious.
In order to reconnect with the Essential Self we must take down the wall through cleaning, clearing and healing the tonal. We must bring the subconscious back into the light of awareness.
.......
We and only we are responsible for our healing. No one can do it for us, not a parent, not a teacher, not a Nagual or Master, not Spirit. A teacher can guide us. Spirit can assist us. But only we can do the work.
It takes an incredible amount of personal power to progress on a spiritual path. Through cleaning, clearing and healing the tonal we are able to reclaim our personal power and restore our free will. The Toltec Path provides us with these tools. When we are clean, clear and healed and have reclaimed our personal power, we are able to align to the Dreamer. We are able to experience true Freedom and have the Command of the Eagle at our hand.
....... ....... .......
http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4043
Once we have been brave enough to seize our fleeting moment of chance, one thing begins to lead to another until finally, one day, in the midst of a battle, we suddenly find that our command has indeed become the Eagle's command. From that moment on we are free beings, the world becomes our oyster and joy flows unimpeded without end. This is the Eagle's gift to man/woman - to all men/women who are willing to try, and to keep on trying whatever the cost. The reward though, is so much more, so very much more than the effort it takes to reach out for that gift.
Therefore, if you truly wish to know what is entailed in treading the Warrior's Path, then you must tread this path yourself: only then will your perception coincide with the vision. This is the Law. But know this much, and listen with care, for I now speak of things past, present and future: I speak of man atavistic, of hu-man, and of man conscious. Warriors are first and foremost men/women, humble men/women, who cannot avoid the confines of the Law. Their task in life is to learn by means of mapping the great unknown. To map the unknown requires having to enter that mysterious vastness, but each time we enter into it we transmute those energy fields within us which correspond with the great unknown outside of us. This transmutation affects our entire existence, so that our very state of beingness becomes irrevocably altered. With the effects of transmutation comes eventual transformation, the emission of all that is undesirable. The inevitable product of transformation is transfiguration, a complete metamorphosis.
Know then that once this process has been initiated a chain reaction takes place which cannot be stopped. The Warrior's Path is thus a path of no return - a path of transmutation, transformation, transfiguration.
Your Timeline!!!
9eagle9
16th May 2011, 12:27
Woo hoo!!!!, Eaglespirt.
Nuff said.
Free Will and The Command of the Eagle...YOUR Personal-Timeline-Working-Rhythm
http://www.toltecmysteryschool.com/newsletter/april2002/020401.htm#free%20will
When the warrior becomes fully aligned to the Dreamer they have the Command of the Eagle at their hand. Toltecs call the Creator of the Nagual (all that is), the Eagle. When a warrior has the Command of the Eagle at their hand they have the power of the Intent of all creation.
When we are fully aligned to the Dreamer, the Dreamer’s will and our will are one. We have free will but it is the will of the Dreamer. For those new to Toltec lore, the Dreamer is the entity that dreams our particular lifetime. We are the dreamed, dreamed by the Dreamer, our life is the dream.
We begin aligning to the Dreamer when we embark on the Mastery of Intent. Most never make it this far on their path. We must start with the Mastery of Awareness and move to the Mastery of Transformation. This is where most get hung up. Progressing through the Masteries of Awareness and Transformation requires growth. Growth requires that we clean, clear, heal and strengthen the human tonal (in the human we can look at the tonal as the human personality, which consists of the mental, emotional and physical bodies). Growth has nothing to do with how much we “know.”
The cleaning, clearing and healing is not fun. It is work. It takes diligence and perseverance. It requires that we look at our inner and outer worlds as they are, without sugar coating, avoidance or denial. We must begin by looking at ourselves as we are, not how we wish to be.
In order for us to reclaim our free will and find freedom from the patterns and suffering in our lives we must clean, clear, and heal the tonal. The reason for this is simple, but maybe not obvious.
When we are very young and encounter pain due to the dysfunction in our families and society, the psyche’s response is to try to suppress the pain. When we are young we are not able to process the pains and injustices we encounter growing up. We are totally dependent on our parents and caregivers for our very survival. Our needs must be fulfilled by our caregivers. When our needs are not met, or when we encounter the brunt of our parents’ dysfunction, we are wounded. We engage all of our will to suppress the pains of growing up.
Most of us spend our entire lives suppressing the pains of life. We use all of our will to do this. Every time we suppress something we hide it from our awareness. Each time we suppress something from our awareness we add to our subconscious. By the time we are adults we have a huge dark wall in our inner world that blocks us from the Essential Self. This dark wall is our subconscious.
In order to reconnect with the Essential Self we must take down the wall through cleaning, clearing and healing the tonal. We must bring the subconscious back into the light of awareness.
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We and only we are responsible for our healing. No one can do it for us, not a parent, not a teacher, not a Nagual or Master, not Spirit. A teacher can guide us. Spirit can assist us. But only we can do the work.
It takes an incredible amount of personal power to progress on a spiritual path. Through cleaning, clearing and healing the tonal we are able to reclaim our personal power and restore our free will. The Toltec Path provides us with these tools. When we are clean, clear and healed and have reclaimed our personal power, we are able to align to the Dreamer. We are able to experience true Freedom and have the Command of the Eagle at our hand.
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http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4043
Once we have been brave enough to seize our fleeting moment of chance, one thing begins to lead to another until finally, one day, in the midst of a battle, we suddenly find that our command has indeed become the Eagle's command. From that moment on we are free beings, the world becomes our oyster and joy flows unimpeded without end. This is the Eagle's gift to man/woman - to all men/women who are willing to try, and to keep on trying whatever the cost. The reward though, is so much more, so very much more than the effort it takes to reach out for that gift.
Therefore, if you truly wish to know what is entailed in treading the Warrior's Path, then you must tread this path yourself: only then will your perception coincide with the vision. This is the Law. But know this much, and listen with care, for I now speak of things past, present and future: I speak of man atavistic, of hu-man, and of man conscious. Warriors are first and foremost menwomen, humble men/women, who cannot avoid the confines of the Law. Their task in life is to learn by means of mapping the great unknown. To map the unknown requires having to enter that mysterious vastness, but each time we enter into it we transmute those energy fields within us which correspond with the great unknown outside of us. This transmutation affects our entire existence, so that our very state of beingness becomes irrevocably altered. With the effects of transmutation comes eventual transformation, the emission of all that is undesirable. The inevitable product of transformation is transfiguration, a complete metamorphosis.
Know then that once this process has been initiated a chain reaction takes place which cannot be stopped. The Warrior's Path is thus a path of no return - a path of transmutation, transformation, transfiguration.
Your Timeline!!!
Eaglespirit, I know it's going to be a good day because it started with your post.
Being a warrior means constant vigilance...
Thanks for the reminder:)
;):clap2:
I am posting this comment literally moments after watching Bills interview with Inelia. Upon hearing about the timeline theory I instantly had an amazing realization that this has been happening to me my whole life! I feel truly exhilarated to have come across this information.
So many times in my life I have felt a powerful 'shift' in my reality, or my experience of a given place/time, it has left me feeling lost, uncomfortable and confused as to why this was happening. I seem to have had no control over these shifts. They manifest out of the blue almost like what I would describe as a vibrational change..?
I could be happy in a relationship, get up, go to work, come home on the same day and everyone and everything feels unusual, different and almost 'behind' to put it simply. Once I can remember being 'told' it was going to happen, and I did NOT want it to. It involved leaving a place that I loved, and all my friends, but I had no control and sure enough the shift happened one day.
My goodness the more I think about it, the clearer it is...Every major event in my life has been preceded by one of these shifts it would seem.
What I want to know is how to gain control over my own timelines? And why are mine so erratic and seemingly outside of my control?
I am truly amazed the effect that video has just had on me.
EDIT: (after calming down!) I just want to clarify that I definitely have had the experience of these shifts in timeline, but for me it seems as though I have no control over them myself? Maybe another member can add something here that sheds some light on this.
This is where I find astrology so helpful, and I'm not advocating here to visit an astrologer but to study it for oneself.
By correlating planetary events with events in one's life one can get a much clearer idea about the processes that govern our growth.
Very uplifting post, thank you.
Just adding something more on this subject to clarify further:
We all are poured into a mold when we come here and therefore resist change. So there are always periods in life where things toodle along ...routines. Then one day Uranus arrives at a sensitive spot in our birth chart, and breaks our mold. We experience a shift. Sometimes it's a shock, because we had been slack about certain things and we get dumped to a lower level, or it's a surprise, because we had accumulated rewards, unknowingly or knowingly, and the shift lifts us to a higher level. In any case, Uranus acts in an unexpected manner.
With Pluto's approach there are warning rumbles, usually, which is good as a Pluto shift can be very traumatic and here astrology can do a good job as a good weather forecast.
But the main thing is that it offers one an upper deck...one can be the captain of the ship of one's life.
Andrew
16th May 2011, 15:10
Its funny when people expect things to change, when they don't change anything themselves.
Carmody
16th May 2011, 15:24
Its funny when people expect things to change, when they don't change anything themselves.
That is the edifice of the ego...looking out. The most common problem of all. It can and does run unnoticed within us and sometimes, thankfully we are forced to look at it. But as Winston Churchill said, "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
Its funny when people expect things to change, when they don't change anything themselves.
Hmm, pondering now...
a lot of comedy works with this shortfall in humans...
But when I think about it no baby or even toddler can change anything...totally dependent on externals
So we all start out that way.
Then we grow up and are expected to run the world...the comedy part is the in-between stage...
running before being able to walk properly...then falling over...
I was laughed at at lot....
when all I ever wanted was people to laugh WITH me...
It took me years to learn to laugh at myself falling over.
nearing
16th May 2011, 16:41
as Winston Churchill said, "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
Wow, that is a great quote.
It's how TPTW always got away with what they did! But not anymore!
as Winston Churchill said, "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
The very fact that quotes like this can so easily get to the people nowadays
is proof that the flood gates are opening.
9eagle9
16th May 2011, 19:06
Yeah I noticed MEN stumbling over the truth and hurrying away from it more and more these days.
Glad woman aren't like that; we're blameless (snicker)
as Winston Churchill said, "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
The very fact that quotes like this can so easily get to the people nowadays
is proof that the flood gates are opening.
nomadguy
16th May 2011, 20:36
one perspective I would like to share, is that we can agree to not commit or admit compliance, and in the energetic way say, "that just aint good enough!" And then meditate with all your love energy forces, whatever you want to call it, or not even meditate but rather focus with true and pure intent ~ a new picture of what you might be doing in the future or what it might feel like, look like, feel/look like to others and so on.
Give it a try ~ we are more than we know...
AND it is my perspective ALSO, that our heart chakra is exactly like the sun. Atleast in the energetic way. SO we can send our intent through heart to the sun, then to the greater cosmos. When you feel this went out. Let it go. not one more thought about it, "let it be that way" and turn your focus back to your physical environment with pure and complete focus, like say on your pet, or on a flower etc. - http://img.youtube.com/vi/8HM5RYQ0ke8/0.jpg
eaglespirit
17th May 2011, 00:45
...just a sidenote while walking and dancing in our own higher vibrational timelines...
the more selfless-wisdom-laced our thoughts and actions are the more the great void provides
the more we feel the rightness of our brightness moving the energy around us gracefully
imho from personal experience
love to you all embarking and embracing and enhancing
Nanoo Nanoo
17th May 2011, 18:51
Dream Believe Achieve
Have a dream of your future
Have the courage to believe in it
Get off your bum and achieve it !
Easy !
N
HypnoDoc
17th May 2011, 21:37
HI All!
Regarding alternative timelines and their true functionality, I suggest that everyone check out Matrix Energetics. Martix energetics was discovered by Dr. Richard Bartlett DC. For anyone interested in actual, physically proven examples of timeline alteration, I suggest you check out his website and the active ME community. While the deliberate, conscious alteration of an individual timeline in ME is typically utilized for healing purposes, the ME community abounds with stories of practioners utilizing ME techniques to alter timelines around a large variety of issues. Bartlett's text, The Physics of Miracles, is a great place to start!
In Light and Love, and Service to All,
HypnoDoc
craig mitchell
18th May 2011, 03:57
[QUOTE=Paul;217681]
If there is such a thing as a 'planetary' conciousness driving a common timeline ahead of it, How are we to know if each individual has an isolated "freedom" to effectively ignore the rest and go their own way in their own version of understanding without having first fully learned the whole body of multiple experiences by prioritising unity among all here to match the scale of the whole timeline?
And why 'planetary'. What scale of locality is really appropriate anyway?
Really good thinking here It is planetary because the planet has a consciousness and is a being it itself, therefore planetary intention, or an agenda, if you will, for a higher order of earth in 4th and 5th density. She is choosing to graduate herself and wants everyone of the same persuasion to go with her to accomplish greater levels
Regards, Craig
TimelessDimensions
18th May 2011, 19:27
I experience ALL timelines simultaneously, funny eyy?
andrewgreen
19th May 2011, 07:25
I experience ALL timelines simultaneously, funny eyy?
It made me smile :)
bitworm
20th May 2011, 06:00
NGEO is now airing an episode of Naked Science about parallel universes, might be worth checking out if you're new to the subject matter.
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/naked-science/5145/Overview
It dedicates a segment to Hugh Everett's Many Worlds theory, where it was described how the universe splits every time we encounter a decision; and the reason we can't ever visit other universes is because once we focus on one, we lose perception of the others, and since we are always 'in' one, it's like a catch 22.
There's another segment that goes into multiverse theory, so that if there are an infinite number of universes, then it is inevitable that the arrangement of the particles that make up our known universe will be arranged in exactly the same way in another universe. But it would probably be so far away that we can't go and visit.
Lettherebelight
20th May 2011, 19:10
From a poem by the great acarya Bhaktivinoda Thakur....
'Forget the past that sleeps...
and ne'er the future dream at all.
But act in times that are with thee..
and progress ye shall call!
http://www.scsmath.com/grfx/guru_vinoda.gif
Krylda
21st June 2011, 15:47
When i was a younger boy I used to like Pac -Man - and this game impressed a little lesson on my mind. In this video game you steer your character around and make certain turns - as you do the ghosts chasing you react to those things you do - certain changes in direction can have large effects others small... Later this idea was again impressed upon me by seeing the inner workings of a cuckoo clock with many gears - and how one spindle moving will move and effect by its action all the other gears. Later I got the impression sometimes to change the timing of an action i would want to do - not yet i would feel; or not this way, but that way instead. Lots of small actions are affecting the timeline in added ways that change things sometimes in a big way and sometimes in a small way - so i do this via intuition. Sometimes I want to go do something but something just stops me from doing it and ill wait to the action feels right. Timing like in pac-man is everything sometimes and little changes can result in big changes on the timeline...
Johan (Keyholder)
28th November 2021, 15:21
Reviving this thread. It's about timelines, and timelines are related to what's going on in our world today. Who's world?
Is everyone on her/his personal timeline, maybe shared with (some) others? Or not? It may be useful to read the posts above.
Movies can be a great help to assist us in figuring out "what's really going on".
There is a movie thread on PA, and there "Mr Nobody" is mentioned. This is a great introduction for anyone who would like to get a better idea on what is possible, how timelines (and parallel realities) mày work. There are maybe no "absolutes" in this.
It's for free on Youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyoAYqNAy48
Another very good series is based on a PK Dick novel: "The man in the high castle".
While it is based on a scifi book, I still think it's excellent (think "The Adjustment Bureau", but in a long series and somewhat historical/different too).
The purpose is to talk about different timelines, scenario's, concerning our "present".
There are more threads on the forum here about the same subject, but I do think it's worth talking about this at length here.
Looking forward to an open discussion!
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