Chemtrails don't exist

[T Smith]

New findings -
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/06/27/chemtrails-two-emails-received-anonymously-airline-mechanic-and-airline-manager-bot (http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/06/27/chemtrails-two-emails-received-anonymously-airline-mechanic-and-airline-manager-bot)


The email from the anonymous mechanic rings true. Airline companies in America have been participating in something called Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned.

About twenty employees in our office were briefed along with my by two officials from some government agency. They didn't tell us which one.

They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release special chemicals from commercial aircraft.

When asked what the chemicals were and why we were going to spray them, they told us that information was given on a need-to-know basis and we weren't cleared for it. They then went on to state that the chemicals were harmless, but the program was of such importance that it needed to be done at all costs. When we asked them why didn't they just rig military aircraft to spray these chemicals, they stated that there weren't enough military aircraft available to release chemicals on such a large basis as needs to be done. That's why Project Cloverleaf was initiated, to allow commercial airlines to assist in releasing these chemicals into the atmosphere...

anyone ever heard of Project Cloverleaf?

Yes it’s been pushed around by Cliff Carnicom, a disinformation agent.

It’s so amateurish, these letters and statements, anyone who has any involvement in engineering or the aviation business can see through it all this nonsense.

The aviation industry is so highly regulated controlled and administered that it’s impossible to start these secret covert operations that Carnicom wants you to believe.

Mechanic’s don’t sneak up and fill tanks of chemicals or whatever they want you to believe. Duplicate inspection exists throughout the industry, thus everything requires two signatures, plus foreman managers along with a whole host of people……its doing my head in this, I sit and read these posts from members who have been completely fooled and they believe it all, then again 95% of members thought Charles was a great guy and even now some members still thing he is an honorable man. I tell you in Glasgow he would be taken out for a damm good belting, the chancer he was….. an honorable man according to a few Avalonians…..

I disagree. I think most Avalon members were open, but mostly skeptical about Charles.

You're going to have to make a better argument than "the aviation" industry is highly regulated. The chemtraiing phenomenon has very little to do with the "aviation industry." It has very much to do with the missing trillions from the U.S. treasury and the breakaway civilization that no body on earth regulates.

[Rocky_Shorz]

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Freddy, Freddy , Freddy.... You just gave me a bloody big laugh after I happened to stumble across your post over at nexus, I literally Laughed out loud.

http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3209-Killer-Chemtrails-all-over-the-world-The-shocking-Truth&p=22409&viewfull=1#post22409
You tell 'em man, these people need to know the truth about these chemtrails! How could anyone be so silly to fall for this propaganda. I have to say though my favourite part was this one "Again don’t worry, you are safe."

You can tuck me into bed any night of the week.


The only person who has fallen for the propaganda is you.


PS…. I was posting with a women and trying to reassure her, on the other hand you who know zero about the matter attempt to scare her. It’s a disgrace,


Carry on laughing my friend.

so I'm curious Fred, being from Britain I guess everything the US military does is an open book for you, and Private companies "not" running cloud seeding operations are monitored world wide by the Brits, am I correct? Just like the rockets that never were launched by Irvine...

Rocky, I don’t see your point.

The thread is about contrails that the alternative media have been duped into thinking are Chemtrails.

It would seem that many think they are being sprayed from the skies. Nothing could be further from the truth.

The US military are not spraying chemicals from aircraft. They may be using chaff and all manner or products in trials and on exercise, but they are not spraying chemicals at high altitude.

Cloud seeding has been going on for over fifty years and will continue. This activity takes place much lower down around 8-12,000 feet.

Contrails are formed exactly the same way that clouds are formed. Just because these days the contrails are much larger doesn’t suddenly make them chemtrails, or rather it would seem it does, but only in the alternative community who have been fooled.

how do they seed clouds? any idea what formula is used?

I'm sure you just answered what many people are thinking of as Chemtrails

[Rocky_Shorz]

so you might not be able to share formulas, but maybe you would know if the solution used to seed clouds would be affected by heavy concentrations of Cesium in the same clouds...

falls and forms into a puddle with e coli and transforms it into a mutant Superbug...

the thought someone was crazy enough to release this bug on purpose for an experiment is the other choice...

either way, looking for answers...

[Shocking Display]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.



Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

[Fred259]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.



Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

You might be calling bull of Fred 259, but in reality you are with respect talking bull yourself.

Shocking Display. The alternative media 90% of which is controlled and subverted would have the general public believe that contrailing is in fact chemtrailing and that they the public that is, are being sprayed with chemical substances from high altitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody world wide is spraying a live human population from the upper atmosphere.

That is an absolute fact and absolute truth.

You then come out with a smartass comment about Agent Orange in Vietnam DDT and aircraft at air shows with smoke plumes. We’re not talking about what the military may or may not have been involved with, the thread relates to the subversion and control of the minds of a worldwide population on what is commonly referred to as “chemtrails”

However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up.

If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead.

However before you try and do so I strongly suggest that you shut down that crazy computer of yours and get down to your local public library. This is a highly complex subject, but quite simple in reality and well within your capability. The books you need to borrow are on climatology and meteorology followed by compressibility, thermo / fluid dynamics and gas turbine engines. It might take six to nine months before you have a good working knowledge and understanding of this subject. But what about practical experience, how are you going to gain that? Let’s leave that aside. Concentrate on the text books and post back when you are finished.

Until then take care.

[T Smith]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.



Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

You might be calling bull of Fred 259, but in reality you are with respect talking bull yourself.

Shocking Display. The alternative media 90% of which is controlled and subverted would have the general public believe that contrailing is in fact chemtrailing and that they the public that is, are being sprayed with chemical substances from high altitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody world wide is spraying a live human population from the upper atmosphere.

That is an absolute fact and absolute truth.

You then come out with a smartass comment about Agent Orange in Vietnam DDT and aircraft at air shows with smoke plumes. We’re not talking about what the military may or may not have been involved with, the thread relates to the subversion and control of the minds of a worldwide population on what is commonly referred to as “chemtrails”

However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up.

If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead.

However before you try and do so I strongly suggest that you shut down that crazy computer of yours and get down to your local public library. This is a highly complex subject, but quite simple in reality and well within your capability. The books you need to borrow are on climatology and meteorology followed by compressibility, thermo / fluid dynamics and gas turbine engines. It might take six to nine months before you have a good working knowledge and understanding of this subject. But what about practical experience, how are you going to gain that? Let’s leave that aside. Concentrate on the text books and post back when you are finished.

Until then take care.

That's quite a rant. But at the end of the day, I don't think you addressed Shocking Display's questions adequately.

Putting that aside, for a minute...I'm more interested in your mind control/subversion theory. If indeed the entire Chemtrailing phenomenon is but a fantasy in all our minds, planted by some shawdowy power, by all means. let's discuss that aspect of it. Why? To what end? What purpose does this magic trick serve?

You argue that none of the Chemtrailing phenomenon is real, despite a plethora of evidence. If you are correct, the ptb have accomplished nothing short of a magic trick. They have fomented what amounts to a mass hallucination. I want to know why.

What do I know? The sky could be green for all I know. But until somebody shows me what interests are served to convince me the green sky is blue, I will continue to subscribe to my observation that the sky is indeed blue.

[Fred259]

[QUOTE=Fred259;211267]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.



Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

You might be calling bull of Fred 259, but in reality you are with respect talking bull yourself.

Shocking Display. The alternative media 90% of which is controlled and subverted would have the general public believe that contrailing is in fact chemtrailing and that they the public that is, are being sprayed with chemical substances from high altitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody world wide is spraying a live human population from the upper atmosphere.

That is an absolute fact and absolute truth.

You then come out with a smartass comment about Agent Orange in Vietnam DDT and aircraft at air shows with smoke plumes. We’re not talking about what the military may or may not have been involved with, the thread relates to the subversion and control of the minds of a worldwide population on what is commonly referred to as “chemtrails”

However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up.

If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead.

However before you try and do so I strongly suggest that you shut down that crazy computer of yours and get down to your local public library. This is a highly complex subject, but quite simple in reality and well within your capability. The books you need to borrow are on climatology and meteorology followed by compressibility, thermo / fluid dynamics and gas turbine engines. It might take six to nine months before you have a good working knowledge and understanding of this subject. But what about practical experience, how are you going to gain that? Let’s leave that aside. Concentrate on the text books and post back when you are finished.

Until then take care.



Putting that aside, for a minute...I'm more interested in your mind control/subversion theory.

Wonderful Smithy256 post in and now we are getting to the serious issues. Many thanks I understand what you say I didn’t say mind controlled rather subverted. I don’t really know what mind control is but I have been schooled in subversion or rather counter subversion. So yes I was saying that 90% of the alternative media is subverted in some shape or form.


If indeed the entire Chemtrailing phenomenon is but a fantasy in all our minds, planted by some shawdowy power, by all means. let's discuss that aspect of it. Why?

We need to break this sentence down. Im saying it’s a fantasy in the minds of those who followers of the alternative media. I argue that this is an attack on the alternative media to make us look foolish.

You say planted by some shadowy power. Yes initially but in reality we do this to ourselves. We are the one’s that are at fault. We kick ourselves up the backside all the time by believing these things. Let’s leave Avalon aside and look at David Ickes site, 95% of it is pure rubbish, copied and made up ridiculous statements about all manner of things total garbage from first page to the last. It’s the same at ATS and GLP and all the websites. They all copy from each other and little, in fact not little NO analysis is even considered. Trash in trash out.

You ask Why? What you are really asking is why are we being fed this BS. The answer is Subversion. Leave chemtrails aside. For the last forty years western nations have been subverted initially by the Soviet union and now by those who are in positions of authority, so professional people teachers, university lecturers, senior government staff, police officers, the legal system, NHS and military.

Common Purpose a Marxist subversive organisation has been destroying education in the UK for the last 15 years aggressively. Working out of the office of the deputy prime minister John Prescott they have been remarkably successful. When the labour party were thrown from office we thought, wonderful we can get rid of all these ideological subverted usefull idiots, but no now Francis Maude a Rothschild front man has Common Purpose working from the cabinet office.

It’s government policy. The problem is all these screw heads who went through university in the 1980 / 1990 and all the students today are totally different when compared with us oldies! That’s subversion, how to destroy a nation state.

Its the same in the US. Here is Charlotte Iserbyt Director of Policy in the first Regan Government describing how they were told to destroy the once great and proud US Education system, remember this was 25 years ago!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDyDtYy2I0M

In the UK Gus O Donnell head of the UK civil service was fast tracked through the UK civil service to the top position. He doesn’t work for the UK government really he works for the Rothschild controlled UK government.


To what end? What purpose does this magic trick serve?

It’s the collapse of western democracy we are really talking about, on a huge scale and throughout society and involving all English speaking nations.


You argue that none of the Chemtrailing phenomenon is real, despite a plethora of evidence.

Here we go, this just proves my point. What evidence? Produce it. It doesn’t exist. It can’t be produced. What we do have are terabytes of ridiculous videos taken of jet trails that the alternative media call chemtrails. Why not green cheese it really is that silly.

The established proven science is understood by millions around the world, engineer’s scientist’s university lecturers, met officers, naval officers, pilots, yachtsman and just everyday people including little old grannies , yet they are all wrong and David Icke and his followers are right. Go to You tube and type in dew point temp, adiabatic lapse rate. how are clouds formed etc etc and you find thousands of excellent educational videos. They are also all wrong, and Icke is right. On this thread I have attempted to explain what is a complex subject, and I would find an excellent presentation from NASA which is 100% factual, and I think this is outstanding its from NASA I will post it up, no Icke is right and NASA wrong. Its completely insane.


If you are correct, the ptb have accomplished nothing short of a magic trick. They have fomented what amounts to a mass hallucination. I want to know why.

To dumb down society. Don’t think so much. Its government policy for the second time, policy produced by subverted usefull idiots, who are actually clever people but they have been taught a lot of rubbish, and now they equally teach rubbish to the kids! Watch the Charlotte Iserbyt video.

Think about this. In 1995 we had no internet. By 2000 many people were on line but mainly on dial up with 56k modems. By 2005 Broadband was in peoples homes and now its total e commence e education e everything. Total control and for a good part of the time total BS.

I go to Russia a lot. Russians are highly intelligent 85% of women graduate. 31% of women have two degrees, the figures for men are slightly less because they do military service. Of course Russians have computers but above all they have books on everything literature, the classics, physics everything. A Russian girl will list her hobbies as classical music, keeping fit, ice skating, needlework flowers and nature. Seriously they don’t goof around like us in the west.

Svetlana an engineer I deal with a lot said to me once. “Why is it Americans always crash their cars in the movies” I laughed and said its just a movie, but the point she was making is that in the movie they crashed 4 cars apparently and she would see that as extraordinary. Russians value what they have. If I said to Sveti you know in America the people think they spray chemicals from B767 she would go all serious and wonder why on earth they would think that. Comments like “Its very quizzical” Rushing through the Moscow traffic to Sheremetyevo Airport I asked her if she could buy some perfume as it was my wife’s birthday, as I don’t speak Russian… her reply was “ Will you be strolling your beloved under the moonlight tonight” Yea right I’ve been married for 27 years were kind of past that Sveti…Do you go strolling under the moonlight T Smith? Fantastic people.


What do I know? The sky could be green for all I know. But until somebody shows me what interests are served to convince me the green sky is blue, I will continue to subscribe to my observation that the sky is indeed blue.
Good. That’s what’s needed...... Take care..

[Shocking Display]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.




Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

You might be calling bull of Fred 259, but in reality you are with respect talking bull yourself.

Shocking Display. The alternative media 90% of which is controlled and subverted would have the general public believe that contrailing is in fact chemtrailing and that they the public that is, are being sprayed with chemical substances from high altitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody world wide is spraying a live human population from the upper atmosphere.

That is an absolute fact and absolute truth.

You then come out with a smartass comment about Agent Orange in Vietnam DDT and aircraft at air shows with smoke plumes. We’re not talking about what the military may or may not have been involved with, the thread relates to the subversion and control of the minds of a worldwide population on what is commonly referred to as “chemtrails”

However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up.

If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead.

However before you try and do so I strongly suggest that you shut down that crazy computer of yours and get down to your local public library. This is a highly complex subject, but quite simple in reality and well within your capability. The books you need to borrow are on climatology and meteorology followed by compressibility, thermo / fluid dynamics and gas turbine engines. It might take six to nine months before you have a good working knowledge and understanding of this subject. But what about practical experience, how are you going to gain that? Let’s leave that aside. Concentrate on the text books and post back when you are finished.

Until then take care.

I am not getting into a slanging match here but I seriously doubt anything you would have to say if in one of your first posts you say "...no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air" - My points regarding DDT, Agent Orange and smoke from air shows etc was meant to show that this statement is incorrect, not 'smartass'. Here is undeniable proof....

Cloud Seeding Delivery Systems and Applications - Delivery of Chemicals from the air
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=6KErKC75jmYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=cloud+seeding+delivery&source=bl&ots=rDr-Au7Nda&sig=UwNl0PvPGxnL1iK3ZL3OsHH7IwI&hl=en&ei=jd_yTduCEoqGvAPR--jmBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=cloud%20seeding%20delivery&f=false

Outside air pressure at altitude is lower than inside an aircraft, let alone inside compressed gas cylinders. high pressure flows to low pressure. Physics 101.

"However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up."

Yes I do have an understanding, but I fail to see why you are asking me when you obviously are either intentionally ignoring some very basic concepts and real world applications for some of the things you say are impossible. I listen to logic and reason and from your very first post, you made some critical errors in both of these.

"If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead."
I am doing neither.

"That is an absolute fact and absolute truth."
Need I say more about this?

[chancy]

John aircraft have no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air, so please stop believing this.




Errr........ How was DDT and Agent Orange sprayed all over Vietnam? Ummm how do aircraft at airshows show their smoke plumes.... I am calling bull**** on Fred259 before I even start to read any of this past the first page.

Then goes on to say "I disagree. I think it generally accepted that the US military are involved in aerial trails involving a number of applications in the NW USA, a known test area but apart from that I don’t agree with your comment."

Soooooooooooo this is where I get off.

Can I have my own thread please?

You might be calling bull of Fred 259, but in reality you are with respect talking bull yourself.

Shocking Display. The alternative media 90% of which is controlled and subverted would have the general public believe that contrailing is in fact chemtrailing and that they the public that is, are being sprayed with chemical substances from high altitude.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Nobody world wide is spraying a live human population from the upper atmosphere.

That is an absolute fact and absolute truth.

You then come out with a smartass comment about Agent Orange in Vietnam DDT and aircraft at air shows with smoke plumes. We’re not talking about what the military may or may not have been involved with, the thread relates to the subversion and control of the minds of a worldwide population on what is commonly referred to as “chemtrails”

However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up.

If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead.

However before you try and do so I strongly suggest that you shut down that crazy computer of yours and get down to your local public library. This is a highly complex subject, but quite simple in reality and well within your capability. The books you need to borrow are on climatology and meteorology followed by compressibility, thermo / fluid dynamics and gas turbine engines. It might take six to nine months before you have a good working knowledge and understanding of this subject. But what about practical experience, how are you going to gain that? Let’s leave that aside. Concentrate on the text books and post back when you are finished.

Until then take care.

I am not getting into a slanging match here but I seriously doubt anything you would have to say if in one of your first posts you say "...no means whatsoever of spraying chemicals from the air" - My points regarding DDT, Agent Orange and smoke from air shows etc was meant to show that this statement is incorrect, not 'smartass'. Here is undeniable proof....

Cloud Seeding Delivery Systems and Applications - Delivery of Chemicals from the air
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=6KErKC75jmYC&pg=PA93&lpg=PA93&dq=cloud+seeding+delivery&source=bl&ots=rDr-Au7Nda&sig=UwNl0PvPGxnL1iK3ZL3OsHH7IwI&hl=en&ei=jd_yTduCEoqGvAPR--jmBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=cloud%20seeding%20delivery&f=false

Outside air pressure at altitude is lower than inside an aircraft, let alone inside compressed gas cylinders. high pressure flows to low pressure. Physics 101.

"However to answer your question it doesn’t take a lot of logic to see that what you are talking about is low level tree top military activity, or air shows or crop spraying. Surely this then means that any tank or pump under pressure can only work at ground level. What happens when you have a tank, an aircraft and the atmosphere all at vastly different pressure values? How does that work? So we are now talking fluid dynamics. Do you have any understanding of this subject, if you do post up if you dont listen up."

Yes I do have an understanding, but I fail to see why you are asking me when you obviously are either intentionally ignoring some very basic concepts and real world applications for some of the things you say are impossible. I listen to logic and reason and from your very first post, you made some critical errors in both of these.

"If you want to post here and try and make me look stupid or foolish go ahead."
I am doing neither.

"That is an absolute fact and absolute truth."
Need I say more about this?

Hello Shocking Display: The fact is Fred259 has NOT answered questions that show CHEMTRAILS DO EXIST. I have followed this thread from the beginning and you are wasting you time trying to convince Fred259 that CHEMTRAILS EXIST. I gave him personally Evergreens website of a 747 that is a water bomber that can also spray chemicals and he ignored it completely. Fred259 is wasting your time and everyone elses time since he has been giving lessons in weather and not the science of CHEMTRAILS. There is so much information that CHEMTRAILS EXIST on this website and many many more that it gets annoying to read the banter going on here.
As you and I know CHEMTRAILS EXIST and some people will never believe it and Fred259 is one of those. Enjoy all the threads that are on Project Avalon and let Fred259 continue to give the weather forecasts with a pinch of BS. Lifes too short to waste your time since it will be fruitless. For all the people that haven't been replied to regarding this thread anyone else would have done the research by reading both sides of the story BUT Fred259 ignores any rational that shows CHEMTRAILS EXIST.
It's been given in this thread and CHEMTRAILS EXIST thread and many more threads. If there has been one thing on Project Avalon that has been proven to exist it's CHEMTRAILS.
Have a great day and waste you time not....lifes too short....
Regards,
Chancy

[T Smith]

Im saying it’s a fantasy in the minds of those who followers of the alternative media. I argue that this is an attack on the alternative media to make us look foolish.

Make the alternative media look foolish? To whom? The unthinking masses you condemn?

But let's work it out. So you subscribe to the notion of critical thinking enough to grant the unthinking mass the mental acumen to discern what is "foolish" from what is "truth", yet at the same time you charge the same unthinking mass with no ability whatsoever to discern plausible evidence from disinformation, per the dumbing-down-of-society model. Contradicting yourself, no?



It’s the collapse of western democracy we are really talking about, on a huge scale and throughout society and involving all English speaking nations.

Something that does not exist cannot collapse. There is no such order as western democracy in our Western Culture. You may do well to criticize David Icke's work as rubbish and trash, but anyone who believes we live under the rule of democracy is far more delusional than David Icke.


What evidence? Produce it. It doesn’t exist. It can’t be produced. What we do have are terabytes of ridiculous videos taken of jet trails that the alternative media call chemtrails. Why not green cheese it really is that silly..

Contraire. There is evidence abound, in this thread and elsewhere. You just choose not to believe in, nor even acknowledge the evidence. You would be better served to understand the difference between the statement "no evidence exists" from "I can't believe the evidence exists."


On this thread I have attempted to explain what is a complex subject, and I would find an excellent presentation from NASA which is 100% factual, and I think this is outstanding its from NASA I will post it up, no Icke is right and NASA wrong. Its completely insane.

It's really not that complex. And also, NASA's presentations are necessarily 100% factual? How much do you know about NASA?



To dumb down society. Don’t think so much. Its government policy for the second time, policy produced by subverted usefull idiots, who are actually clever people but they have been taught a lot of rubbish, and now they equally teach rubbish to the kids! Watch the Charlotte Iserbyt video.

I'm well familiar with Charlotte Iserbyt's work. And yes, all those brainwashed kids, who have very little ability to critically think, come to believe, as adults, per their indoctrination program, that they live in a democracy. Some of the more brighter, who have a penchant for mathematics and physics, may even end up working for NASA and disseminating 100% factual information! But for sure, all of them understand what is foolish and was is not. I'm concerned about this. Nevermind that they don't have to think about it.


Good. That’s what’s needed...... Take care..

??? Not quite sure what you mean here. In case my intent was not clear, I ended the post on a note of sarcasm.

[DoubleHelix]

On this thread I have attempted to explain what is a complex subject, and I would find an excellent presentation from NASA which is 100% factual, and I think this is outstanding its from NASA I will post it up, no Icke is right and NASA wrong. Its completely insane.


This alone brings a major flaw to your argument Fred.

Would NASA lie to us? Your god damn right, possibly the worst source of factual information known to man. Did we land on the moon ? hard to say, maybe. Was the footage of the moon landing real? No, 100% categorically fake. So there goes there credibility right there. I could go on and on, just say the word.

Let me ask you a simple one, what's your response to chemicals such as Barium and Strontium being found high up on snowy mountain tops?

[observer]

NEWS FLASH

A spokesman from the High Altitude Atmospheric Research Project (not to be confused with the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, HAARP) has released a statement regarding their secret project otherwise called Fred2+5=9, apparently a self proclaimed counter subversion 'bot program that was designed to infiltrate otherwise subliminally subversive websites and further confuse the members with drivel and poorly concocted anecdotal evidence.

The spokesman said ol'Fred was only programed with a limited amount of information regarding the formation of clouds and other atmospheric conditions. Such information would be relied upon heavily in the robots responses. Other information that was programed into the 'bot included some antiquated aeronautical information, and "there was also a heavy reliance on publicly released NASA data", said the spokesperson.

It was cautioned that nothing from the NASA database included any release of information leading to an hyperdimensional physics conclusion; any covert operations currently underway by one of the many associated black-ops organizations; or any of the many programs supported by the eugenics movement. Therefore this 'bot would not be able to discern between clear evidence of other unrelated phenomenon having nothing to do with atmospheric conditions.

The spokesperson also apologized for any inconvenience, or confusion Fred2+5=9 may have caused any members.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yadj3asTyc0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yadj3asTyc0

Please Take Note:
The above news flash is a joke.... Just like Fred's hypothesis that the New World Order is confusing alternative websites with disinformation propaganda regarding Chemtrails.

That one is even a bigger joke, Fred.

Disclaimer:
This comment has been brought to you purely for its entertainment value.... just like all the other atmospheric conclusions in this thread.

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wd3ncIHwFS8

[Calz]

Let me ask you a simple one, what's your response to chemicals such as Barium and Strontium being found high up on snowy mountain tops?

I was active in a couple threads that got merged into this one ... and have mostly stayed away since.

In fairness to Fred, who I went several rounds with (respectfully for the most part) he said he had no idea where the chemical residue was coming from (although later suggesting it might be getting picked up and distributed in the jetstream).

Not going to spend the time searching for the posts but I suspect they reside towards the earlier pages in this thread.

[Carmody]

well, I've seen chemtrails being emitted by a dumbbell sprayer from UP CLOSE in a HOT SUMMER DAY at..... LOW ALTITUDE where contrails CANNOT form...and they stayed in the air for HOURS.

We're talking of less than 5000 ft of altitude for these chemtrails. I live beside a large lake so they had to be low, otherwise they would drift and miss their targets, you see?

http://www.handpen.com/Bio/chemtrails.htm

Just like an improperly laid down 'nano' sized bit of crop spraying would be. Hours in the air, slow dissipation, in a atmospheric level where it would be impossible to form contrails.

I also predicted that many people would begin to suffer from flu like symptoms in the next few days in the area I reside in. I predicted that IMMEDIATELY ...and that is exactly what happened. For the population in the whole area.

In conjunction with the dumbbell sprayer I saw what looked like ordinary Jet aircraft, in the same area. They were probably military aircraft scouting out the huge dumbbell sprayer, is my guess.

There have NEVER been ANY large aircraft in this area below 40,000 ft altitude, there is no major airport nearby.

I have photos of it all: The sprayer, the jets, the chemtrails - in regular lighting and blue filtered.

As for cynical but informed positions... Fred, I just blew your entire bullcrap story out of the water and I'm calling you out for the second time.

The only reason I can think that you are here is to convince people that don't want to know, that their derision for this subject is deserved.... and that they will stay asleep and not know these things. As permanently as possible.

IMO, that is the purpose of your presence here. To hold the lie for as many as possible, for as long as possible.



My background is solid enough. I'm the only person on the planet so far to produce a medium where one can electrically transmit POWER (current) at +100 GHz (intelligent signal), ie not an antenna but an electrical transmission line. This, as tested by an $XXB a year electronics corporation. This is known to be impossible and every telecommunications company in the would would like to do such a thing and have no idea how to get it done. From Harvard to caltech to MIT to Yale to Sandia labs to Munich, China, Japan or Moscow..I'm the only person who's ever done it. Among other things....(to be truthful and irritating at the same time, I pulled that invention out of my butt. I was bored. I'm capable of far more)

So I'm pretty damned far from being uninformed about the complexities of matter and air/matter interfaces, molecular considerations, air impedance, particles, etc.

[Cidersomerset]

hi all Kerry interviewed Clifford Carnicom last night and it was a very good interview ...Cheers..Steve.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-072711.mp3

[shybastid]

To See or not to See? That is the question. Here in Tahoe? For over a month now,zero,zilch,nadaaaa.
I don't know what I'm not seeing this summer,but last summer I saw that same gosh darn crisscross zig zag.
Not this summer...been clear blue sky's.
Hmmmm..then I seen it,now I don't.. same planes flying patterns to and from airports with a witty bitty vapor behind them.
Hmmmmm I'm going to go back and reread what I didn't see and don't understand the science of. :rolleyes:

[<8>]

Hi Fred...

Just amazing energi you put in here on this thread, trying to explain somthing that are not there. (if i got you right)

Just think if you put that energi on somthing you know are real. You may be the one who make the diff, you know...

[nearing]

well, I've seen chemtrails being emitted by a dumbbell sprayer from UP CLOSE in a HOT SUMMER DAY at..... LOW ALTITUDE where contrails CANNOT form...and they stayed in the air for HOURS.

We're talking of less than 5000 ft of altitude for these chemtrails. I live beside a large lake so they had to be low, otherwise they would drift and miss their targets, you see?

http://www.handpen.com/Bio/chemtrails.htm

Just like an improperly laid down 'nano' sized bit of crop spraying would be. Hours in the air, slow dissipation, in a atmospheric level where it would be impossible to form contrails.

I also predicted that many people would begin to suffer from flu like symptoms in the next few days in the area I reside in. I predicted that IMMEDIATELY ...and that is exactly what happened. For the population in the whole area.

In conjunction with the dumbbell sprayer I saw what looked like ordinary Jet aircraft, in the same area. They were probably military aircraft scouting out the huge dumbbell sprayer, is my guess.

There have NEVER been ANY large aircraft in this area below 40,000 ft altitude, there is no major airport nearby.

I have photos of it all: The sprayer, the jets, the chemtrails - in regular lighting and blue filtered.

As for cynical but informed positions... Fred, I just blew your entire bullcrap story out of the water and I'm calling you out for the second time.

The only reason I can think that you are here is to convince people that don't want to know, that their derision for this subject is deserved.... and that they will stay asleep and not know these things. As permanently as possible.

IMO, that is the purpose of your presence here. To hold the lie for as many as possible, for as long as possible.



My background is solid enough. I'm the only person on the planet so far to produce a medium where one can electrically transmit POWER (current) at +100 GHz (intelligent signal), ie not an antenna but an electrical transmission line. This, as tested by an $XXB a year electronics corporation. This is known to be impossible and every telecommunications company in the would would like to do such a thing and have no idea how to get it done. From Harvard to caltech to MIT to Yale to Sandia labs to Munich, China, Japan or Moscow..I'm the only person who's ever done it. Among other things....(to be truthful and irritating at the same time, I pulled that invention out of my butt. I was bored. I'm capable of far more)

So I'm pretty damned far from being uninformed about the complexities of matter and air/matter interfaces, molecular considerations, air impedance, particles, etc.

Wish I could vote up your post 10 times, Carmody.

Here in NM the chemtrails had stopped all summer until today. They are back at it. Probably because we have finally had some rain which have doused the forest fires that were putting a vast amount of smoke into the sky. I guess we don't need the chemtrails when the smoke can do the job for them. Bastards.

Yeah, not much bothers me these days, but when I se them, my dancer is up!

[Billy]

http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

Exposed: Secret Presidential Chemtrail Budget Uncovered, Congress Exceeds Billions To Spray Populace Like Roaches

The Budget Obama Didn’t Want You To Know About


The Intel Hub
Shepard Ambellas & Avalon
March 30, 2011
© 2011 All Rights Reserved

Geoengineering has now been defined as: “the deliberate large-scale manipulation of the planetary environment to counteract anthropogenic climate change.” – The Royal Society 2009

Recently, the question has been asked, What In the World Are They Spraying? The documentary with the same name answers many of those questions.

The question the world is now asking is “Who in the World Is Spraying Us?”
The World is Now Demanding Answers and Accountability…

As an introduction to this article, we will first cover information to familiarize the uninformed readers as to the core facts and information so that a more complete understanding is possible, given this complex issue.

A recent report by CBS Atlanta detailed how some local citizens are outraged that such “crimes against humanity” are being carried out right before our eyes in secret.

In the report Sen. Johnny Isakson was interviewed on the subject of chemtrails saying quote:

“That is a theory that some people have, but there is no evidence this is happening. This is not happening.”

It looks as if members of the government’s upper echelon and even members of the Senate will go to extreme lengths to suppress this vital information from reaching the American people.

Not to mention they signed off on the multi-billion dollar per year budgets in an economic crisis, with little to no transparency to the public.

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In regards to aerosol spraying into the earth’s atmosphere, a recent update to data assembled by The Carnicom Institute reveals the chemicals used and their respective levels of concentration. The toxic levels that are being used in these aerosols goes beyond shocking – it would appear that these levels are indeed criminal by EPA Standards.

Read More. http://theintelhub.com/2011/03/30/secret-presidential-chemtrail-budget-uncovered-exceeds-billions-to-spray-populations-like-roaches/

[Maia Gabrial]

Yeah, CA, the psychopaths put out the harmful chemtrails and then turn around and blame all of us for polluting the air. What a bunch of schmucks!

[Operator]

Here in NM the chemtrails had stopped all summer until today. They are back at it. Probably because we have finally had some rain which have doused the forest fires that were putting a vast amount of smoke into the sky. I guess we don't need the chemtrails when the smoke can do the job for them. Bastards.


Interesting observation !
If we can establish what is systematical about them we might find the real reason for them. Your observation suggests it is visibility related ...

My assumption so far was either protection against radiation (smoke doesn't do that) or a weird (unexplained) relation with anti-gravity.
It will become more difficult to establish when the reason to spray gets influenced/mixed by the lack of money.

[shybastid]

Nearing? Wierd huh? It's almost like a UFO sighting report. Because OTHER people don't see chemtrails,they dont exist. Or Geo engineered tactics...pick a flavor and description.
It's dumbfounding how insulting people are trying to tell us we're too stooopid to know the difference between a clean sky, and one that's getting coated for some reason.
It's our imagination. Go back to Science Class.

And when we find out what it is, and why,the naysayers will disappear.

We won't even get to say "neer neer."

It HAS been a great summer without spraying though huh?

We had BIG ASS thunder clouds roll through the Tahoe basin last night at sunset.

God showed his glory. That dude(or doodette) KNOWS how to paint the sky with vibrant color. It was magnificent. A camera would'nt have been able to show the 360degree panoramic view.

Glad I could see it without that crap up there. What a refreshing reminder it's not up there all the time.

[nearing]

Here in NM the chemtrails had stopped all summer until today. They are back at it. Probably because we have finally had some rain which have doused the forest fires that were putting a vast amount of smoke into the sky. I guess we don't need the chemtrails when the smoke can do the job for them. Bastards.



Interesting observation !
If we can establish what is systematical about them we might find the real reason for them. Your observation suggests it is visibility related ...

My assumption so far was either protection against radiation (smoke doesn't do that) or a weird (unexplained) relation with anti-gravity.
It will become more difficult to establish when the reason to spray gets influenced/mixed by the lack of money.

operator, visibility is one good explanation, yes. Another, though, might be as a 'carrier' for the HAARP facility. Perhaps any particle, including smoke from a forest fire, would be enough to carry those energy waves from Alaska to where ever they what to direct it?

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

billyji Hi

Great link. I just tried to post it on f/book, but they have blocked it. So I stuck a snippet in a blog & then posted.

I have been at the govt & Co for a few years about this & have given them pictures, video footage & plane data to back it up when they requested it.
Lets just say, they give it a wide birth & refuse to talk about it via any form of electronic devices.

[Operator]

operator, visibility is one good explanation, yes. Another, though, might be as a 'carrier' for the HAARP facility. Perhaps any particle, including smoke from a forest fire, would be enough to carry those energy waves from Alaska to where ever they what to direct it?

Well visibility is the only thing smoke and chemtrails have in common. I am not so convinced of all the capabilities by HAARP.
But metal particles could indeed function as a reflector screen for radio waves. It could be the reason why chemtrails are not
necessary all the time.

[Billy]

billyji Hi

Great link. I just tried to post it on f/book, but they have blocked it. So I stuck a snippet in a blog & then posted.

I have been at the govt & Co for a few years about this & have given them pictures, video footage & plane data to back it up when they requested it.
Lets just say, they give it a wide birth & refuse to talk about it via any form of electronic devices.

Yes FB would not allow me to post also, I complained to FB.
I also have had meetings with local government officials this last few years and handed over research to them. although they did not take it serious they did inform the R.A.F and aviation bodies. I also sent them the info. Interestingly the R.A.F replied with a hint to look at some official government documents which i posted in another thread.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all Chemtrails has a lot to do with haarp , it was one of Frank Carnicoms conlusions in his interview with Kerry last week .He concurs with alot of evidence already put up here that its function
is to ionise the atmosphere so as to fascilitate plasma weaponry which has existed for at least 20 years.I've put up several links before ,I will again if you've forgotten them...
Heres a view from Russia no translation needeed...Cheers Steve.......

2 min film..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwXlBOpk8kg&feature=related

Haarp The Weapon
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Obviously there are other funtions as well weather etc.......

[Cidersomerset]

Hi operator.. I think chemtrails maybe multi funtional as I've said before a possible UV screen could be plausible....I do agree that although I think haarp is part of this , its hard to know how much has been developed ?
Weather modification cloud seeding etc...What we all have in common is deffinatly something is going on..Cheers Steve..

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Shybastid & nearing .....Chemtrails have dissapeard from here for the past month, after regularly getting them at least once a week for months ...Strange now I've got used to them ?? LOL

[shybastid]

Isn't it amazing how the sky looks without them? My whole family laughs when I ask them,"Maybe we never saw them AFTER all?"

It wasn't and isn't our imaginations.

For whatever reason...let's hope they don't come back...

[nearing]

Isn't it amazing how the sky looks without them? My whole family laughs when I ask them,"Maybe we never saw them AFTER all?"

It wasn't and isn't our imaginations.

For whatever reason...let's hope they don't come back...

Sadly, after about 2 months without them, they are back here.

[Fred259]

No one but trolls question "the proof".

Done deal ... thanx for the thread :)

Calz…. I take great exception to your post, if you recall I spent some considerable time explaining this to those who wanted to listen. I was in fact sharing my knowledge and experience along with 16,000 hours of commercial flying experience.

Now according to you I’m a troll. Please can you explain why?

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[Calz]

No one but trolls question "the proof".

Done deal ... thanx for the thread :)

Calz…. I take great exception to your post, if you recall I spent some considerable time explaining this to those who wanted to listen. I was in fact sharing my knowledge and experience along with 16,000 hours of commercial flying experience.

Now according to you I’m a troll. Please can you explain why?


Did not mention your name ... but if you insist ...


Mod-edit: This thread used to be part of the David Icke,Alex Jones,Stewart Swerdlow - Chemtrails,bloody everywhere!! thread.

I have split that thread into two parts. That original and now shorter thread contains some posts concerned about chemtrails. This new and now longer thread contains Fred259's posts stating that chemtrails don't exist, and responses thereto.

As just about anyone who has an interest in chemtrails on this forum has noticed by now, Fred259 is determined to convince us, with volumes of evidence and tireless rebuttals, that there are no chemtrails, just contrails.

In my determination, this is creating a problem for any thread that presents evidence supporting a concern over chemtrails. Any such thread will be turned into another lecture hall for Fred259's rebuttal.

So I am giving Fred259 his own lecture hall - this thread. Perhaps he is right. I personally have not witnessed clear evidence of chemtrails. I am quite certain that TPTB are willing, able and determined to weaken us with a variety of threats real and imagined. Perhaps the "Chemtrail Threat" is just another fear mongering hoax of TPTB, intended to weaken us psychologically.

My guess is not -- but I don't know. So it is reasonable to me that that position have a place on this forum, if someone chooses to represent it. Fred259 clearly does so choose.

But those who are concerned that Chemtrails are a real threat, and who wish to present evidence and discussion to that view, also deserve a place on this forum, without being overwhelmed by lengthy rebuttals.

So I ask (and intend to insist) that Fred259 confine his Chemtrail related posts to this thread, henceforth.

P.S. -- Let me clarify something. I took the above actions to form this thread not because of what position regarding Chemtrails anyone took. Rather I took the above actions because one member's manner of presenting his position was unduly stressful to other threads and posts on the subject. Please see a post of mine, http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20503-Chemtrails-don-t-exist&p=218873&viewfull=1#post218873, below for an analogy that shows in more detail what I was concerned with.

- Paul.

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[Calz]

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[shadowbox]

I do not believe chemtrails are real.

I see "them" all the time here in Fairfield County, Connecticut. This area happens to be one of the most affluent counties in the United States (being just 45-60 minutes from New York City). Many bankers, politicians et cetera live in this area where "chemtrails" are constantly visible.

My wife is a jazz pianist & she played piano at Henry Kissinger's birthday party (at his house in Kent, CT). I grew up not far from Kent & still live in the general area nowadays. Military helicopters are seen flying in and around Kent quite often (likely visiting Kissinger).

My bottom line is that Kissinger, as well as many more elite, live here in Connecticut where "chemtrails" are always visible.

People psych themselves out SO easily.

..my 2 cents.,

[m1i1c2h3a5e8l]

I dont believe Im being tricked by the NWO with regards to chemtrails. I could read about the arguments pro and con all day. But then it would become a true waste of time since the thoughts of others seem to be what "others" go by.

People spray things with planes. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

[Calz]

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[Carmody]

I do not believe chemtrails are real.

I see "them" all the time here in Fairfield County, Connecticut. This area happens to be one of the most affluent counties in the United States (being just 45-60 minutes from New York City). Many bankers, politicians et cetera live in this area where "chemtrails" are constantly visible.

My wife is a jazz pianist & she played piano at Henry Kissinger's birthday party (at his house in Kent, CT). I grew up not far from Kent & still live in the general area nowadays. Military helicopters are seen flying in and around Kent quite often (likely visiting Kissinger).

My bottom line is that Kissinger, as well as many more elite, live here in Connecticut where "chemtrails" are always visible.

People psych themselves out SO easily.

..my 2 cents.,

That would be nice..except for the fact that I was photographing chemtrails over my house and area..and I caught the planes and among them, I caught images of a dumbbell sprayer, is they are named.

Too bad for you, regarding proofing, I can only proof it in some fashion for myself. what I'm saying that I see this as a reality but only to the point of myself and my explorations. As for all of the chemtrail data and information being true, I cannot logically support that, as I only 'know' of my own results, regarding 'proof'.

The more complete story is how the human body operates at the inter-dimensional level and how the chemtrails relate to that.

The mundane view is that SOMEONE is poisoning us. The more esoteric view illustrates that the chemtrials may be multi-function. Virally (immune systems) speaking it may kill and/or modify the humans that are incarnated, and spiritually or dimensional connection wise, they appear to damage connectivity to dimensional energies, at the least.

the data concerning their general composition is out there, and it includes elements that affect the brain and mental function. Barium and aluminum are among the contents.

I also proposed a method of finding the culprits, which, if human, would be VERY EASY.

Purchase points for the refined bauxite would be China or Brazil. usage levels are calculated to be high enough that a paper trail would be in place. Follow the production sources, as the levels of consumed product would be high enough that as in CIA type operations, dummy corporations and offices would be in place.

[Marin]

The mundane view is that SOMEONE is poisoning us. The more esoteric view illustrates that the chemtrials may be multi-function. Virally (immune systems) speaking it may kill and/or modify the humans that are incarnated, and spiritually or dimensional connection wise, they appear to damage connectivity to dimensional energies, at the least.

A very interesting concept......

[Calz]

A lot of peeps don't resonate with Alex Jones but in most cases he delivers the goods in terms of documenting existing paperwork from government and private sources.

Proving things for yourselves is important ... but look at the massive paper trail ... the many many patents related to this technology ... etc.

Watch the vid I just posted (or both).

How anyone can be in denial of this is beyond me.

13390


Nothing to see here folks ... move along ... keep on shopping ...


FxGJu5Hq0lU

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

I just watched this documentary (found in Up at the ranch (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=417686#post417686), thanks Calz :) ) and would like to add it here.
It is very informative and also contains a couple of points about people having ill effects from these chemtrails.


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In that documentary they also question the fact that these "contrails" remain in grid formation, lasting for hours?
Here a photo I took from my lounge January last year.
The "clouds" or "contrails" didn´t move. They simply spread out until the whole sky was hazy.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vab8z5.jpg

[gooty64]

Even channelers Salusa and Matthew Ward etc. are talking about chemtrails and neutralizing them.

How can they neutralize something that doesn't exist?

This is poisonous thread in itself-worse than an actual poisonous chemtrail.

What a world!

[EnergyGardener]

Consider that the chemicals they are laying down on a flight-by-flight basis are known only to those that purchased the chemicals, mixed the solution and maybe those that fill the planes.

But, consider the possibility that the pilots are told they are reducing global warming; and that mixtures vary depending upon the weather addressed. So, the content of the spraying, until now, is of no issue to the pilots, has not resulted in the publications of any formal studies, attention from our "free" media and significant awareness and opposition by us, the little people getting our regular showers.

Let's assume that the pilots do not know what they are spraying. Those that do, likely resign, but dare not speak, or else... When did we start to figure out these clouds weren't created by simple vapor / or "comtrails"? Haven't we all been lulled into an ignorant state of complacency, while they continue their plans, at our expense, and perhaps much worse?

How will anyone know if and when they drop something rapidly toxic and even, viral?

You can bet the pilots will not know until they have dropped their loads.

At that point, if we allow that to happen, it will not matter who knows.