Has white man colonised planet Earth?

[Calz]

Thanx Paul

If it a symptom of editing then that is quite understandable. Saw it several times lately and don't recall seeing it before then.

On a stranger note (sorry ... don't want to suggest more work for the mods) on my #242 post on this thread I just had to go back and do some serious editing of word run ons from a copied text. They were not in the original article. I did go back to edit the post to put it into the quote box. I don't know if the formatting was lost in the initial copy or after the addition of the quote box.

[davyj0nes]

Kerry recently ...
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224509
Mods ... why are we starting to see numbers rather than names in quotes???
Any ideas?
I have seen this several times now.
:cow: :mod: :noidea: :thank_you2:

It looks to me like LeoNorth was doing his best to trim down a quote from a post of yours to a suitably brief snippet, but changed the opening QUOTE bracket in a different way than you might expect.

blast! and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! scooby doo reference, lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-6K32tl7k)

[Calz]

blast! and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! scooby doo reference, lol (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-6K32tl7k)

Well played LeoNorth :haha:

[Calz]

omg, i just remembered an article about mongolian neo-nazis (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMFA9i1ua8

Hard time believing they have any idea of what the nazis were about as with this thread.

Understand a little paranoia regarding the mongolian women as there is a REMARKABLE surplus of men to women in China now due to the one child policy.

Yep ... considering all the raping and pillaging done in the past ... sure adds a little concern to a young chinese army with raging hormones and nowhere to "express" themselves???

[Lord Sidious]

Most of the ''neo nazis'' don't know much about national socialism full stop.
For some reason, many of them are in it for either violence and/or noteriety.

[davyj0nes]

i'm worried about paul now. so like any good super villain when they're caught, they tell you about their diabolical plot.

So, yes i do like to erase the name of those im responding to/quoting because i do not want to tip off the original poster. When i had seen your post Calz, i chuckled delighting in my sneaky nature. little did i know that cow+mod+noidea+thankyou2 actually meant you were calling on Paul. looking back i found that your name had mysteriously reappeared in a quote. i thought i had forgotten to take your name out, haha joke was on me, and went back and edited it. which of course tipped off Paul.

And i would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

[Calz]

i'm worried about paul now. so like any good super villain when they're caught, they tell you about their diabolical plot.

So, yes i do like to erase the name of those im responding to/quoting because i do not want to tip off the original poster. When i had seen your post Calz, i chuckled delighting in my sneaky nature. little did i know that cow+mod+noidea+thankyou2 actually meant you were calling on Paul. looking back i found that your name had mysteriously reappeared in a quote. i thought i had forgotten to take your name out, haha joke was on me, and went back and edited it. which of course tipped off Paul.

And i would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

Emergency Alert :cow: :mod: :cow: :mod: :cow:

Earthling has broken our G.I. Joe decoder ring code!!!

He must be MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOved aside for at least a week (hey I see those "other" threads).

breath ...

Ya think we are gettin a bit off topic lately here :offtopic:

[Calz]

So ... ahem ... any yea neah or otherwise on Peter Beter or Jay Weidner???

[ThePythonicCow]

On a stranger note (sorry ... don't want to suggest more work for the mods) on my #242 post on this thread I just had to go back and do some serious editing of word run ons from a copied text. They were not in the original article. I did go back to edit the post to put it into the quote box. I don't know if the formatting was lost in the initial copy or after the addition of the quote box.The material at http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/the-extraordinary-life-and-work-of-dr-peter-d-beter/ is riddled with runons (Perhaps OCR errors?). So far as I know, QUOTE'ing does not cause runons (it causes other things, such as user frustration ... but not runons ;).)

[Calz]

On a stranger note (sorry ... don't want to suggest more work for the mods) on my #242 post on this thread I just had to go back and do some serious editing of word run ons from a copied text. They were not in the original article. I did go back to edit the post to put it into the quote box. I don't know if the formatting was lost in the initial copy or after the addition of the quote box.The material at http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/the-extraordinary-life-and-work-of-dr-peter-d-beter/ is riddled with runons (Perhaps OCR errors?). So far as I know, QUOTE'ing does not cause runons (it causes other things, such as user frustration ... but not runons ;).)

Thanx Paul

Yipes ... that site (following the same link at home now) is not formatted the same as what I have seen at work for many months now. Different operating system perhaps??? :noidea:

Must be yet another of those corporation type conspiracies ... ummm ... or not.

Yes I see the run-ons now and please forgive the request for extra work on your behalf. I am at a loss.

Sorry to the mods and everyone else :sorry:

[treeman]

The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.

This line of thinking would indicate that Enlil and the annunaki come from Aldebaran..

(According to Sitchin's work Enlil and the annunaki came from Niburu, an idea Bill has dismissed on another thread. )

Not even close.

Admire your attention to detail LORD SIDIOUS...Question? Rockefellers, Rothchilds, US Elitists/Masons and Reich/Nazis, Vatican etc to support Enlil to control the world, suppress the human race? Just to clarify, sorry a little slow on the up take....WWII they were helping Enlil find Enki? Find the origins of Aryans? and in return wealth, technology, power and the elixir of life. Now 2011, with a possible return of Enki to come....? Have I mis interpreted....thanks in advance.

[ThePythonicCow]

Sorry to the mods and everyone else :sorry:
No problem. I always prefer questions I can answer :).

[Referee]

Sid,

I think you need some R and R on the Death Star.

PS do you sleep?

[Lord Sidious]

The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.

This line of thinking would indicate that Enlil and the annunaki come from Aldebaran..

(According to Sitchin's work Enlil and the annunaki came from Niburu, an idea Bill has dismissed on another thread. )

Not even close.

Admire your attention to detail LORD SIDIOUS...Question? Rockefellers, Rothchilds, US Elitists/Masons and Reich/Nazis, Vatican etc to support Enlil to control the world, suppress the human race? Just to clarify, sorry a little slow on the up take....WWII they were helping Enlil find Enki? Find the origins of Aryans? and in return wealth, technology, power and the elixir of life. Now 2011, with a possible return of Enki to come....? Have I mis interpreted....thanks in advance.

You have a whole stack of questions that are answered in the thread.
I would suggest you read it from post one onwards so that I don't have to post a super post that would be redundant.


Sid,

I think you need some R and R on the Death Star.

PS do you sleep?

I have more stamina than the average man, so I don't have to sleep as much.
I may want to, but I don't have to.

[davyj0nes]

so, now that we have gotten this far, let me ask you about the holocaust, how/where/who/what/why does the holocaust fit in?

You'll probably find quite a few answers to that in this thread: A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-...)

after going through a few pages in that thread, it would be safe to say we are now headed toward uncharted waters. the nazi/ufo connection is one thing, but the holocaust is crazy, explosive, potentially dangerous.

So, if Lord Sidious is willing, we can play follow the carrots. perhaps things will be different in this thread as most of the trouble makers have moved on.

[Lord Sidious]

so, now that we have gotten this far, let me ask you about the holocaust, how/where/who/what/why does the holocaust fit in?

You'll probably find quite a few answers to that in this thread: A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-...)

after going through a few pages in that thread, it would be safe to say we are now headed toward uncharted waters. the nazi/ufo connection is one thing, but the holocaust is crazy, explosive, potentially dangerous.

So, if Lord Sidious is willing, we can play follow the carrots. perhaps things will be different in this thread as most of the trouble makers have moved on.

There is a thread on that already.

[kersley]

Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling?

Thanks for your post (as well as all others keeping the ball rolling here) :roll:

I believe he referred to the Enki *faction* ... unless Enki himself was menioned somewhere else and I missed it.


The Enlil all seeing eye hint might imply Enlil is still alive?

So if Enlil stayed on earth and Enki went back home, That would mean that Enki maybe still alive, Where Enlil would have kicked the bucket surely? Otherwise this dosen't make any sense?

[davyj0nes]

So if Enlil stayed on earth and Enki went back home, That would mean that Enki maybe still alive, Where Enlil would have kicked the bucket surely? Otherwise this dosen't make any sense?

i think it is important to note that, channeled information is sketchy at best. Although Zecharia Sitchin may have in fact been channeling Lord Enki, it is for the purpose of this discussion a work of fiction. The facts we have currently lead us to believe differently. That is not to say that perhaps at some future time the facts could lead in another direction.

It would be great for everyone if Lord Enlil died, but it seems a bit far fetched that beings with incredibly long life spans, with the life extension technology one would assume an advance civilization to have, would age and die like any other man.

[jimbojp]

Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling?

Thanks for your post (as well as all others keeping the ball rolling here) :roll:

I believe he referred to the Enki *faction* ... unless Enki himself was menioned somewhere else and I missed it.


The Enlil all seeing eye hint might imply Enlil is still alive?

So if Enlil stayed on earth and Enki went back home, That would mean that Enki maybe still alive, Where Enlil would have kicked the bucket surely? Otherwise this dosen't make any sense?

Maybye it depends on what Enlil and Enki are?
Are they human beings,gods or aliens, maybye they don't live and die like us?

[Lord Sidious]

Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling?

Thanks for your post (as well as all others keeping the ball rolling here) :roll:

I believe he referred to the Enki *faction* ... unless Enki himself was menioned somewhere else and I missed it.


The Enlil all seeing eye hint might imply Enlil is still alive?

So if Enlil stayed on earth and Enki went back home, That would mean that Enki maybe still alive, Where Enlil would have kicked the bucket surely? Otherwise this dosen't make any sense?

We don't know that Enki left.
Why would Enlil have to have died?

[davyj0nes]

so, now that we have gotten this far, let me ask you about the holocaust, how/where/who/what/why does the holocaust fit in?


You'll probably find quite a few answers to that in this thread: A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-...)

Wow, what a thread. it took me the entire day to read it but very eye opening. So it can be said that the holocaust is not as advertised. And, like everything else concerning hitler, ww2, germany there is a very successful propaganda machine behind it.

So if i have this right;

Enki's followers are the NSDAP
Enlil's followers are the banking cartel

And the reason why rockefeller and friends spent so much money vilifying the Nazi, was if people found out you could run a country without having gold deposited at one of the cartel's bank and be charged a fee for parking it there, they'd be broke sitting on a mountain of gold.

The Vatican had to side with the Nazi's because otherwise Rothschild would do the pope like he did the czar of russia.

i am sufficiently blown away right now. there was no rapture, but i do believe my brain has been ruptured, lol.

[kersley]

Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling?

Thanks for your post (as well as all others keeping the ball rolling here) :roll:

I believe he referred to the Enki *faction* ... unless Enki himself was menioned somewhere else and I missed it.


The Enlil all seeing eye hint might imply Enlil is still alive?

So if Enlil stayed on earth and Enki went back home, That would mean that Enki maybe still alive, Where Enlil would have kicked the bucket surely? Otherwise this dosen't make any sense?

We don't know that Enki left.
Why would Enlil have to have died?

I will check that and get right back to you this evening. Have a great day...PS don't over do it. Lord Ra El is watching.. lol..

[Gustav]

Thanks Sidious for a little explanation on your background. That is really impressive to me. At age 11 I just started wondering why there were so many castles and forts in Europe and why they were not used anymore (although that was one of the seeds leading up to being here). Anyway, I visited the site of Mr McClelland. If inspired by such a man and having an inquisitive nature, than yes there is a giant head start ;). Thanks for sharing. You are right that going out and obtaining information, no matter how difficult it may be is the best way to learn. I admire that.

Leonorth, glad you went to read the holocaust thread. I hope it helps you also on this very interesting path.

On the death/alive issue. Time itself and how we live is only viewed from our time experience. If the giant turtles of the galapagos could speak and remember they would tell of the first people who landed there first hand, yet those people are dead to us. If you a butterfly could talk he or she would tell of giant beings that live forever and abduct butterflies in strange rasterized flexible prisons. If general sherman (the tree, not the person) could speak we would be nothing more than ants crawling around and pass away after a few seasonal changes.
What I want to point out. Different physiology brings different experience of time. Different entities will experience time different. For us it will or may seem impossible, to those beings it is us who live irritatingly short. But those are just my views (and luckily they are shared with a dutch astronaut)

eaV-GeAPSlE

[Calz]

i think it is important to note that, channeled information is sketchy at best. Although Zecharia Sitchin may have in fact been channeling Lord Enki, it is for the purpose of this discussion a work of fiction.



I was always fascinated by Stitchin's work and never found any reason to question it until it was later revealed (I think it was in a Jordan Maxwell interview with Stitchin) that much of his writing was channeled (automatic writing style) by the Anunnaki.

That gave me pause ... then I came across someone else's work who reminds that the victors write the "history" books and suggest looking at the Book of Enoch for the "human" side of the story.

That put it in a "human vs Anunnaki" light ... and now m'lord suggests it was more along the lines of humans aiding Enki vs Enlil.

In lieu of this thread and the Enlil/Enki war ... does anyone know if, as LeoNorth brings up, there is any way to know WHO Stitchin was actually in contact with (Enki, Enlil or otherwise)?

[Gustav]

What I would to know, simply because I don't at this moment. Have Enlil and Enki fought before? Yes, right? Was either one of them hurt in that fight, at least according to the stories of old that anyone here knows of?

[Calz]

On the death/alive issue. Time itself and how we live is only viewed from our time experience.

Thanks for sharing that Gustav. Interesting vid.

I think most here would agree linear time as we experience it is not universal.

For instance, consider near death experiencers. A large percentage of them come back with stories of their "past life review" in which they experience first hand all the joy, pain, love, sorry etc that they have caused others to experience. They report that they virtually experience this whole lifetime of "time" in the number of minutes that they are "physically dead" here on earth.

Bring that back to topic ... in the vid the speaker ties gravity into the equation. Perhaps Enlil is on the moon? All sorts of possibilities. Until we understand how OTHER species from around the universe experience time then all we can do is view it from our own perspective.

No matter ... love to experience "thinking outside the box" regardless of whether it leads somewhere or not.

Thank you :)

[oceanz]

The Vril motto “Not all good comes from above” summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.

[B]The name Vril is the shortening of “VRI-IL” which means “Like God”.


I'm still pondering on their motto "Not all good comes from above"

Does it mean:
a) bad comes from above
b) good comes from within
c) good comes from underground

Is this why the "eye" is placed in the top part of the pyramid separated from the remainder because it's orginis are "not all good" and a good laugh on the populous who use this banking cartel fiat currency?

The whole debt/financial collaspe is just one big pyramid scheme and the ones who have benefited, some have been "not all good" and the ones who were suppose to be keeping an "eye" on it well...

[bearcow]

Sin (Akkadian: Su'en, Sîn) or Nanna (Sumerian: DŠEŠ.KI, DNANNA) was the god of the moon in Mesopotamian mythology. Nanna is a Sumerian deity, the son of Enlil and Ninlil, and became identified with Semitic Sin

this statement loosely alludes to the concept that original sin is related to the presence of the moon. From my prespective the energetic source that fuels illusion on planet earth is the moonlight. very interesting.

just to clairify i am not saying moonlight is inherenty evil, it just can be easily manipulated by those who are.

[Calz]

Sin (Akkadian: Su'en, Sîn) or Nanna (Sumerian: DŠEŠ.KI, DNANNA) was the god of the moon in Mesopotamian mythology. Nanna is a Sumerian deity, the son of Enlil and Ninlil, and became identified with Semitic Sin

this statement loosely alludes to the concept that original sin is related to the presence of the moon. From my prespective the energetic source that fuels illusion on planet earth is the moonlight. very interesting.

Particularly if you believe the stories that the moon was not always here ... and possibly brought here as a "craft" by "others" to be used as part of the control system on earth???

[wudaidai]

In my opinion, IT IS A LIE.
Someone hiding in the dark is trying to rewriting the history.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And what's more, UFO events are produced by some people. It is not true. No UFOs in the world. BUT IN PEOPLE 'S MIND.

[Isthatso]

Yikes.....

[Leon]

By Twincans: The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.
Are these not included in NWO?

Just reading some later posts and,
I noticed we have been infiltrated by those who believe blindly........

[TWINCANS]

I was just trying to follow along Lord Sidious' 'hints' but at that point obviously not going where he was indicating, which he soon thereafter redirected. Message to self: just don't bother.

[davyj0nes]

In my opinion, IT IS A LIE.
Someone hiding in the dark is trying to rewriting the history.
¤=[Post Update]=¤
And what's more, UFO events are produced by some people. It is not true. No UFOs in the world. BUT IN PEOPLE 'S MIND.

I wish it was all a lie, and i could believe that ww2 was truly as black and white/good vs evil as the victors make it out be.

I wish i had a mind, i'd love to see a ufo.:noidea:

[Leon]

The whole wwII was run by NWO, the good the bad the ugly... all the same system. And to the blind it is still going today...

I have seen a ufo and it wasn't far away... seen another at a great distance.
there are many man made ufo's, but we would be ignorant if we think we are alone...

[Leon]

Back to the subject though, why have we been lied to for so long?
where are we from?
what is the goal?
what are we meant to prepare for?

Is the world going to get cleaned up before the coming? but those who are doing this will be found out... and then?

slowly we are being disarmed, and why? so we cannot resist what coming

[Leon]

White man were not the first on this plannet were they?

Or is it like the Aussie story?

The Britts discovered this place! or did they? they didn't but we are meant to believe they did....

missinformation, and more missinformation...

[Lord Sidious]

In my opinion, IT IS A LIE.
Someone hiding in the dark is trying to rewriting the history.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

And what's more, UFO events are produced by some people. It is not true. No UFOs in the world. BUT IN PEOPLE 'S MIND.

Ok, what is a lie?
And who is trying to rewrite history?


I was just trying to follow along Lord Sidious' 'hints' but at that point obviously not going where he was indicating, which he soon thereafter redirected. Message to self: just don't bother.

Why not bother?
Seems to be very cryptic posts coming into this thread now.


The whole wwII was run by NWO, the good the bad the ugly... all the same system. And to the blind it is still going today...

I have seen a ufo and it wasn't far away... seen another at a great distance.
there are many man made ufo's, but we would be ignorant if we think we are alone...

I would think that you could say that the nwo made the war happen.
How do we know that all the factions involved were part of the plan?


White man were not the first on this plannet were they?

Or is it like the Aussie story?

The Britts discovered this place! or did they? they didn't but we are meant to believe they did....

missinformation, and more missinformation...

No, they weren't the first, some type of hominid was.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so what happens when a white man gets a tan from being in the sun for 10K-20K years?

[Lord Sidious]

so what happens when a white man gets a tan from being in the sun for 10K-20K years?

Wouldn't he have dehydrated before that? :p

[davyj0nes]

So, after watching this youtube video about a fake alien invasion on 9/9/2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUgyrxqXWbU&feature=player_embedded#at=42) i thought, how can we tell the difference between Enki's ships, and the fake back engineered ships?

[Calz]

slowly we are being disarmed, and why? so we cannot resist what coming

I don't suspect conventional weapons in the hands of the public (if that is to what you refer) would do much good against the high tech toys of the elite ... much less "what is coming".

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So, after watching this youtube video about a fake alien invasion on 9/9/2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUgyrxqXWbU&feature=player_embedded#at=42) i thought, how can we tell the difference between Enki's ships, and the fake back engineered ships?


Oh that one is easy.

Peer through the front windshield of the craft and look to see if the pilot is wearing a white hat :lol:

[TWINCANS]

[QUOTE=Gustav;224485]Ok, interesting turns have been taken, but Sidious as (main) provider in my view of these turns would you than also like to share where this information can be found or how your construct of thought has come about? Most of it can be found on the internet indeed. Going to Tibet, yes. Going to antarctica, yes. Scouring the earth for artefacts by the SS, yes. Admiral Byrd heading to Antarctica with his invasion force and being defeated/run off/found nothing, yes. What I would like to know is where or how did you start connecting dots so we can walk that path ourselves, because that is where real education starts. Or am I just being lazy now? ;)

Gustav

=== Added ===

Indeed, do go and watch the holocaust thread from the very beginning till the end. It was mindblowing for me and am happy to have been accompanied by those who went along for it was a careful journey

I have spent a lifetime reading.
Since I was about 11, I knew that what I was being told was not true.
So, off I went to find out for myself and that includes getting hold of NSDAP publications which isn't an easy task.
Plus, people I know met some of the ''famous'' types and told me about em.
A friend of mine, now passed, was Alex McClelland.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/mcclelland/author.html
He met a few here and there who were major names in the Reich, including Otto Remer.
So my journey has taken me to places that are forbidden territory.
How do you think I can tell you these things?


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LS, wondering if, according to your sources, the NCDAP and Hitler et al were actually aware of the Enlil/Enki story? I thought those actual Annunaki personages and the full story that we are all just coming to grips with in this era, is a fairly recent phenomenon. If they were known all those years ago, what was the contribution of Sitchin?

Sorry if you've covered this before, just trying to put the pieces together in my teeny mind.

[oceanz]

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_kids/AskKids/earthname.shtml

How did Earth get its name?
All of the planets, except for Earth, were named after Greek and Roman gods and godesses. The name Earth is an English/German name which simply means the ground. It comes from the Old English words 'eor(th)e' and 'ertha'. In German it is 'erde'. The name Earth is at least 1000 years old.



http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=570
Did the Sumerians measure precession?I do understand Procession and the fact that it takes approximately 26,000 years to complete one full cycle. My question is:-

1. How is this measured with modern equipment.

2. How were the Sumerians in 3800 BC (modern day Iraq) able to quantify this in their ancient texts, which I understand there are many directly related to astronomy. I was a little dumb struck when this was suggested and have since been convinced it's true.

The basic way to measure precession is to make accurate observations of the positions of fixed celestial objects over time. Hipparchus was the first person (at least where it is generally accepted) to have measured precession (in 134 BC). It is common to fix the position of stars relative to the point where the Sun crosses the celestial equator on the Autumnal Equinox (the day when there is exactly 12 hours of sunlight). Hipparchus noticed that the position of stars relative to this point had moved between his measurements and some similar measurements he had records of from 150 years previously. He reasoned that this must mean that the point of the equinox had moved and attributed this to the precession of the sphere of the stars (the Earth was fixed in his day). More modern measurements are exactly equivalent, but we can just measure positions more accurately now.

There are some claims that the Sumerians also measured precession, but I don't believe that they are commonly accepted. It seems to be based on the fact that they counted in multiples of 60 and that the length of the precession cycle is 26,000 years which is about 60*1200*360/1000 years. The 1200 and 360 also have some significance in Sumerian culture - interestingly the Sumerians gave us the degree (360 in a circle - they also had 360 days in their year) and the second/minute (there being 60 of them is no coincidence).

September 2002, Karen Masters

[
URL="http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/seti.php"]http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/seti.php[/URL]
If extraterrestrial life exists in our Solar System, it is probably no more advanced than bacteria. In recent years, biologists have discovered bacteria on Earth living in conditions that were once thought too hostile for life, for example in Antarctic ice, in super-hot ocean vents, and in rock deep in the Earth. These types of bacteria are called extremophiles, because they love extreme conditions like heat or acidity or saltiness. All life on Earth today evolved from extremophile bacteria. Because of the quantity and variety of extremophiles found on Earth, astrobiologists are hopeful that we may find life even in harsh environments on other planets and moons.


Yes, but if that could survive there (in Antartica) that who knows what else can?

[Lord Sidious]

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LS, wondering if, according to your sources, the NCDAP and Hitler et al were actually aware of the Enlil/Enki story? I thought those actual Annunaki personages and the full story that we are all just coming to grips with in this era, is a fairly recent phenomenon. If they were known all those years ago, what was the contribution of Sitchin?

Sorry if you've covered this before, just trying to put the pieces together in my teeny mind.

I don't know for sure, but I would think that they did know.
Remember, the SS had a section devoted to archeology and did indeed send expeditions around the world looking into things.
That doesn't even take into account the Thule and Vril Gesellshaften.

[OnyxKnight]

In my opinion, IT IS A LIE.
Someone hiding in the dark is trying to rewriting the history.

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And what's more, UFO events are produced by some people. It is not true. No UFOs in the world. BUT IN PEOPLE 'S MIND.

Look, if you don't have first hand experience with these things - fine. But just because of that, don't render other people's experiences down to nothing, because you have no clue yourself, and you are trying to explain the global situation, through the needle hole of your own viewpoint.

UFO cases, genuine ones, do exist, and people do experience this.


The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.

This line of thinking would indicate that Enlil and the annunaki come from Aldebaran..

(According to Sitchin's work Enlil and the annunaki came from Niburu, an idea Bill has dismissed on another thread. )

Has Bill seen the red planet, or its remains? :)

I don't think so (Bill can correct me on this).

But the notion that they come from Aldebaran, also, is not true. A different culture hails from there.

[karelia]

But the notion that they come from Aldebaran, also, is not true. A different culture hails from there.

Would you mind expanding on this? Thanks.

[OnyxKnight]

But the notion that they come from Aldebaran, also, is not true. A different culture hails from there.

Would you mind expanding on this? Thanks.

Well, I can share my own take for that, although I think Lord Sid can expand on that a lot more, since if I'm not mistaken, he also has personal experience regarding that.

Sid, was there a 'thanks' from you under my last post here, or am I seeing things, as I don't see it anymore lol? :tongue1:

[karelia]

Well, I can share my own take for that, although I think Lord Sid can expand on that a lot more, since if I'm not mistaken, he also has personal experience regarding that.

Please share. Thanks.

[OnyxKnight]

Well, I can share my own take for that, although I think Lord Sid can expand on that a lot more, since if I'm not mistaken, he also has personal experience regarding that.

Please share. Thanks.

Aldebaran was colonized hundreds of thousands of years ago. That's enough time to adapt to conditions in that system, which changed slightly those ETs there biologically. They now breathe carbon dioxide (a lot of the human-looking ETs breathe carbon-dioxide), unlike the original Atlas Pleiadian variants who breathe oxygen, like us (its why on a timescale regarding lifespans, the P's barely reach a couple of centuries of age, in comparison with most other human cultures, who have significantly larger lifespans). Their skin has become darker, tanned (not exactly Caucasian white, although some might beg to differ), and their hair dark blond and white. Their skin is also very dry, and sometimes quite visibly wrinkled, unlike the Pleiadians, who seem to have smooth and moisturized skin all their lives.

They are a humanoid human-like civilization that draws its origins from the Pleiades super-cluster. They are a sub-variant of the original Pleiadian genotype that formed with the 'Great Exodus' and are a very aggressive, militaristic, war-mongering, sadistic race, that has a terrible addiction to control and manipulation, and they like controlling and manipulating other less advanced civilizations. They are one of the few who can brag about the amount of deception tactics they have invented. Most of them were colonists on the star Atlas (who in turn were from Alcyone), and they colonized Aldebaran after chasing off a race of mantis-like tall insectoids that used to live there. They were later made exiles from Atlas according to the core pleiadian government in the Alcyone stars, and had to fully transfer their population and resources on the few planets that existed in Aldebaran.

They have a long history of genetic manipulation of their own people, and have tried to create sub-cultures of themselves on several other planets in Aldebaran unsuccessfully. Also other colonization efforts on the more distant colder planets of Aldebaran were dropped as there seems to be a very large concentration of krypton gas, most of which, in radioactive isotopes, more prominent in the colder planets, but present in smaller quantity on the already colonized ones.

There are currently two planets in the Aldebaran system that are inhabited, the one which is the closer to the star being terraformed. The colony on the terraformed planet has suffered some kind of mutation, probably because of the effects of the star, and are not involved in visitations and abductions, to my knowledge.

At the time of our creation as a species, they were part of Atlantis and Hyperborea (mostly active during the latter), and worked alongside the Pleiadians as one of the teams assigned there (I count them all as Pleiadian). They were involved in the formation of the Germanic cultures and some pagan worshiping cults that are now extinct. They later started another program with the whole Thule mess, and breeding another cult. The secret societies there bred their children to become apex minds in all fields of science, as part of their cult's philosophy. Most of this cult was based in the territory of Bavaria. Hitler recognized these people and their kids and saw potential "science resources" for his army. With their help, he built the first A-G craft, based on information and blueprints that the Thule cult had, who were acquired from the Aldebarans. I think Igor Witkowski's 'Bell Project' might be one of the first models. They are currently active on the territory of former Ashaoulon (present-day Antarctica), and with the two black-ops bases that are there. Also some activity in the Middle East, mostly in Iran.

[161803398]

A few years ago a friend on mine showed me a website about Maeshowe on the Orkney Islands. There is a structure there made of stones...a cairn...with a long entrance way. There was, at the time, a video on the website. The video shows a dark room with a spot of light on the wall. Someone waves their hand in front of the light which then forms a square and you can see something inside the square. My friend asked me to tell him what I was looking at. It took me days...because I'm not very technological but I finally realized that what I could see in the square was an upside down image of the clouds and sky outside from the light that came inside through the entrance way. I still didn't get it and showed it to a friend of mine who said...its a camera. Then I realized that in order to get that picture on the wall, the people who built it would have had to know how long to make that entrance. The people who lived on the Orkney Island at that time only lived to be about 25 years old. I think they were trying to preserve their knowledge which had to come from some time long before.

I think the video isn't on the site anymore. http://www.maeshowe.co.uk/

[161803398]

Here's another site about the Neolithic moon map: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/325290.stm

[Calz]

But the notion that they come from Aldebaran, also, is not true. A different culture hails from there.

Would you mind expanding on this? Thanks.

Well, I can share my own take for that, although I think Lord Sid can expand on that a lot more, since if I'm not mistaken, he also has personal experience regarding that.


Speaking for myself only ... first things first ... trying to get a handle on the history of mankind here on earth. Aldebaran is certainly interesting ... but abstract and beyond the scope of most here. Hard enough to integrate that the "god's" from the past are about to enter into our "reality" again (rather than covertly in the background if that has been the case).

Do you agree with Rob's assessment the Enki faction is arriving in the near future as well as the Enki/Enlil topics this thread has gone deeply into?

[oceanz]

How does one pronouce Enki and Enlil.

Everytime I see the word Enlil I keep thinking of Evil.

[Calz]

Fun factoid time ... size of Aldebaran compared to our sun. Doesn't come through clearly (after downsized for attachment) but the bottom left is Jupiter (invisible on this scale) and next to it our sun (one pixel). Aldebaran is clearly bottom rightmost.


7693

[davyj0nes]

How does one pronouce Enki and Enlil.
Everytime I see the word Enlil I keep thinking of Evil.

i say it En-Ki and En-Lil
i separate the names into two parts 'En' and 'Ki'
I hope this helps.

[Mad Hatter]

Fun factoid time ... size of Aldebaran compared to our sun. Doesn't come through clearly (after downsized for attachment) but the bottom left is Jupiter (invisible on this scale) and next to it our sun (one pixel). Aldebaran is clearly bottom rightmost.


7693

Hmmm... simply on the basis of the differential in surface area does that mean theres shiploads more of em...?? :eek:

[TWINCANS]

I wonder how your very interesting info fits with this; I seem to remember that Atlantis was really four factions and each had their own sector or territory.
1/The Sirians / Arcturians / Galactic Federation group
2/ The Lyrans
3/The remnant of the Martians who had destroyed their own planet
4/ The Pleiadians / Aldebarans


BTW I love your phrase 'the needle hole of your own viewpoint'. How true for us all.

[Lord Sidious]

But the notion that they come from Aldebaran, also, is not true. A different culture hails from there.

Would you mind expanding on this? Thanks.

Well, I can share my own take for that, although I think Lord Sid can expand on that a lot more, since if I'm not mistaken, he also has personal experience regarding that.

Sid, was there a 'thanks' from you under my last post here, or am I seeing things, as I don't see it anymore lol? :tongue1:

There was, but I removed it as your edit doesn't sit with me.

[K626]

Sin (Akkadian: Su'en, Sîn) or Nanna (Sumerian: DŠEŠ.KI, DNANNA) was the god of the moon in Mesopotamian mythology. Nanna is a Sumerian deity, the son of Enlil and Ninlil, and became identified with Semitic Sin

this statement loosely alludes to the concept that original sin is related to the presence of the moon. From my prespective the energetic source that fuels illusion on planet earth is the moonlight. very interesting.

Particularly if you believe the stories that the moon was not always here ... and possibly brought here as a "craft" by "others" to be used as part of the control system on earth???

The moon gave life to this earth.

K

[OnyxKnight]

The moon gave life to this earth.

K

Then this Earth is only ~65.000 years old.


There was, but I removed it as your edit doesn't sit with me.

Which part?

Where I say the Aldebarans are not the same as the Anunnaki?

[majapahit]

you guys still contemplating this crazy subject? come on ..

.. 'atlanteans' & their crazed nazi trash must be severely persecuted for inflicted & inflicting stupid
.. but then again they're going to kill themselves anyway

.. together with you guys one could estimate
.. dont get involved in this subject of criminals

[Jake]

Hello, Majapahit. There are quite a few people that actually are paying attention and contemplating the subject matter of this discussion. I could be wrong, but I did not find you last post very productive. Call me crazy, but yeah, I have been learning a lot from it. I don't see any further need to try and derail this thread. I mean that in the best way possible. Cheers, Jake.

[OnyxKnight]

Lets leave the Taurus constellation alone, if we talk about the Annunaki. Try looking their point of origin in the Boötes constellation.

If we talk about Aryans, vikings and the like, lets proceed with Aldebaran please.

[oceanz]

http://ezinearticles.com/?Unknown-Viking-History---Teutonic-Valkyries-Fight-Romans-in-118BC&id=4279110

Little Known Viking History

Teutonic Valkyries Fight Romans 113BC

Much of the history of our Viking ancestors has been lost or buried by others. The modern world only knows what the media and Hollywood allow them to know. The movies "The Vikings" and the history channel etc portray them as barbaric savages.

They do not teach about them in our schools. Native Americans, Romans, Egyptians and Greeks get all the press. Have you ever wondered why in a country that was predominately settled by Aryan Scandinavian, Germanic and Celtic peoples? Here is some little know Viking history. The "Viking Migration" of about 900 AD, which gets the nasty press is only the tip of the ice berg about the history our of ancestors.

First of all the Vikings are Aryans The Aryan race includes the Nordic and Germanic peoples. They have been around, creating history, a lot longer than 1000 years. They both migrated from the far North. A place called "Thule" They separated in their migration downwards.

The Norse settled in the Scandinavian countries. The Germanic's in Germania. They all worshiped the same gods, used the runes and shared the same fine qualities of courage, honor and adventure. There are so many glorious and courageous stories of the Pre 1000 AD Vikings. To find out about them you have to search under the names like Cimbrians, Teutonians, Saxons, Longobards, Chatti, Cherusci and others.

They belong to the Aryan Viking Brotherhood. There is one particular story about the Teutonic Valkyries women that has been buried in the past that I would like to share with you. The Cimbrians (Teutons) were originally inhabitants of Jutland. They were tall, with fair hair and blue eyes and very powerful.

In battle they wore breastplates of iron, helmets crowned with heads of ferocious animals. They carried white shields used to dazzle the enemy by flashing them in the sunlight. They hurled double-headed spears and fought with short swords. The women fought with the men and were just as fierce. They migrated and invaded Roman territory in 113 BC and alarmed Rome. Roman Counsel Marius attacked them and defeated them soundly.

A year later the Roman army again encountered the Cimbrians at Aquae Sexital. The Cimbrians were drawn up in a square. In the center of the square the wagons we arranged in the form of a fortress for the women and children.

The Romans broke through the square and attacked the castle of wagons. The Cimbrian Valkyries fought with desperate bravery. When they saw their men routed and all was lost they killed themselves and their children rather than be sold in slavery. That was the end of the Cimbrians in Italy.

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[Calz]

you guys still contemplating this crazy subject? come on ..

.. 'atlanteans' & their crazed nazi trash must be severely persecuted for inflicted & inflicting stupid
.. but then again they're going to kill themselves anyway

.. together with you guys one could estimate
.. dont get involved in this subject of criminals



Hello, Majapahit. There are quite a few people that actually are paying attention and contemplating the subject matter of this discussion. I could be wrong, but I did not find you last post very productive. Call me crazy, but yeah, I have been learning a lot from it. I don't see any further need to try and derail this thread. I mean that in the best way possible. Cheers, Jake.
There is a 'supposed' matter-of-factness in 'comtemplating the origin of earth man'
When this is mixed with 'aryans' & 'white man' which I find rather poisonous.. and then a 'connection' is made with Sitchin's Anunaki, Pleidians, 'nordics' & and whatever slavedrivers an bandits are roaming our universe
.. this sort of 'mixup' of pseudo objective entanglement one can find also on rather obnoxious sites like Stormfront etc

there is no problem in discussing whatever color of people if one can discern who does what when and where

Discussing in a thread with a header 'white man' and not considering that 'planet Earth' ..
.. when 'COLONIZING' legally is conquest in the barbaric way
.. and is a criminal act in the present day, specifically amongst the likes - i hope - of avalon

and I know all the facts concerning atlantheans - notably the ubermensch of freemasonry - and Pleadians and Anunaki etc and these are factually, slave drivers

discussing this as if one was discussing astronomy, expresses reather a lack of discernment, as an understatement

therefore I comment

All are welcome to express their opinion provided it is done so with a respectful tone.

With 7 Billion + humans on the planet I doubt there is any one of us who "knows all the facts" concerning humanity ... much less that of "atlantheans, Pleadians and Anunnaki etc".

If you have read through this whole thread you would know this isn't about racial predudice. After all these posts yours was more "racially charged" than any I remember.

While I agree our current "condition" could easily be described as "slave driven" the focus here has been on the possibility that the Enki faction could help with that condition.

Whether or not that would improve the living condition for humanity is beyond my scope. I should think it would be an improvement over current conditions.

[Lord Sidious]

Hello, Majapahit. There are quite a few people that actually are paying attention and contemplating the subject matter of this discussion. I could be wrong, but I did not find you last post very productive. Call me crazy, but yeah, I have been learning a lot from it. I don't see any further need to try and derail this thread. I mean that in the best way possible. Cheers, Jake.
There is a 'supposed' matter-of-factness in 'comtemplating the origin of earth man'
When this is mixed with 'aryans' & 'white man' which I find rather poisonous
.. and then a 'connection' is made with Sitchin's Anunaki, Pleidians, 'nordics' & and whatever slavedrivers an bandits are roaming our universe

.. this sort of 'mixup' of pseudo objective entanglement one can find also on rather obnoxious sites like Stormfront etc

there is no problem in discussing whatever color of people if one can discern who does what when and where

Discussing in a thread with a header 'white man' and not considering that 'planet Earth' ..
.. when 'COLONIZING' legally is conquest in the barbaric way
.. and is a criminal act in the present day, specifically amongst the likes - i hope - of avalon

and I know all the facts concerning atlantheans - notably the ubermensch of freemasonry - and Pleadians and Anunaki etc
and these are factually, slave drivers

discussing this as if one was discussing astronomy, expresses reather a lack of discernment, as an understatement

therefore I comment

You aren't white, suppose I say you oppose this thread because you are just being racist?
You are putting YOUR spin on what people are saying and derailing the thread.
If you don't like it, just post on skateboards or something.

[Seikou-Kishi]

and I know all the facts concerning atlantheans - notably the ubermensch of freemasonry - and Pleadians and Anunaki etc
and these are factually, slave drivers

You know all the facts? Wow, that's certainty few can boast of here at Avalon. Certainty few would boast of.

[Calz]

Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?

It seems that they created man as a type of slave, possibly to mine gold, that is one theory.
There are gold mines on the planet that predate recorded history, so that is a possibility and also explains why there is no missing link.

Once they got what they wanted, I suppose they went elsewhere. There was a war on the planet where man fought the gods, as you would find in the Vedas.

Some of them, probably Enlil/Jehovah and Marduk never left, they may have been marooned.
All of this, what we call civilisation may be a support system for them until they can get off of Earth and go home, or help arrives.

That could also explain the world government and the need they have to reduce the planet's population to conserve resources.So, this, what we call existence is probably not what they intended when they genetically engineered man.



Okay.

Enki faction ... perhaps with Enki himself ... soon to arrive.

In the case of the *marooned* theory then *perhaps* there is a chance of a reconciliation of sorts and a revived war is not necessarily on the table???

Would the timing of the return tie in to the "end of the cycle"??? Seems too convenient to be a coincidence.

If depopulation were purely to conserve resources I would think they (Enlil group and earthly minions) would have been more thorough along the way? Weidner's theory agrees in that civilization was built up as a support system but he suggests most all of that was to be transferred to Mars where the Aryans (in his view) will try to ride out the alleged coming solar storm driven events.


Lots of questions remain. Perhaps the nugget trail is ending and nothing is left but speculation and waiting to find out.

[Calz]

Going to post 2 short amazon reviews of one of the books m'lord gave links to written by Stan Deyo. Just the reviews alone are fascinating ... at least to a nuggethead like me. Despite the many dramatic events he foretells ... it appears he still has a real sense of positive outlook and spirituality.

(Note ... not a cheap read ... obviously no longer in publication)


This author is intelligent and provocative! Based on ancient text as well as geological and historical evidence, he skillfully and convincingly reveals the location of Eden and shows you how to find it my name on a map! He covers such eternally important subjects as how the continents split from one central land mass called "Pangaea" ... creation ... Noah's flood ... the race of giants ... Atlantis/Plato ... the Pillars of Hercules ... Poseidon's Temple Island ... how the speed of light is slowing down resulting in an increasing rate of radioactive decay causing 6,000 million years of nuclear decay to have occurred within the limits of some 8,000 years of orbital transits of the Earth around the Sun ... catastrophic shifts of the earth's axis ... gravitic, electric, & magnetic phenomena behind UFO travel ... after death ... out of body experiences ... UFO's & the "Majestic Twelve" & "Majority Twelve" documents ... earth & sun changes ... pyramids ... Biblical prophecy ... Babylon ... The Cosmic Conspiracy ... the New Nimrod ... the 7 churches of God ... and yes, all from a man who loves God and considers the Messiah the light of the world! Highly recommended!


"About the time of the end... [Of an era, not the world], a body of men will be raised up who will turn their attention to the prophecies, AND INSIST upon... [Discovering]... their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamor and opposition..."[tribulation?] - Sir Isaac Newton - as quoted in page one of this books foreword. There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Deyo is one of such luminary men! I would like to personally thank him for such an extensive undertaking! ALL THE KNOWLEDGE & FACT BOMBS THIS MAN DROPS ARE NOT ONLY ALL EMPIRICALLY/SCIENTIFICALLY GATHERED, BUT THEIR TRUTH SHINES THROUGH IN LIGHT OF BIBLICAL/ANCIENT SCRIPTURE! NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE SEEKING ABSOLUTE TRUTH LIKE THIS MAN HAS DONE SO!

[Lord Sidious]

Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?

It seems that they created man as a type of slave, possibly to mine gold, that is one theory.
There are gold mines on the planet that predate recorded history, so that is a possibility and also explains why there is no missing link.

Once they got what they wanted, I suppose they went elsewhere. There was a war on the planet where man fought the gods, as you would find in the Vedas.

Some of them, probably Enlil/Jehovah and Marduk never left, they may have been marooned.
All of this, what we call civilisation may be a support system for them until they can get off of Earth and go home, or help arrives.

That could also explain the world government and the need they have to reduce the planet's population to conserve resources.So, this, what we call existence is probably not what they intended when they genetically engineered man.



Okay.

Enki faction ... perhaps with Enki himself ... soon to arrive.

In the case of the *marooned* theory then *perhaps* there is a chance of a reconciliation of sorts and a revived war is not necessarily on the table???

Would the timing of the return tie in to the "end of the cycle"??? Seems too convenient to be a coincidence.

If depopulation were purely to conserve resources I would think they (Enlil group and earthly minions) would have been more thorough along the way? Weidner's theory agrees in that civilization was built up as a support system but he suggests most all of that was to be transferred to Mars where the Aryans (in his view) will try to ride out the alleged coming solar storm driven events.


Lots of questions remain. Perhaps the nugget trail is ending and nothing is left but speculation and waiting to find out.

I think that the two factions will be at it again, like they were all those years ago.
They can come sign me up, I am ready to go.
At least I would be able to make some input for the greater good.

[jimbojp]

So is it a matter of choosing sides?
I mean isn't that what happened last time, humans sided with enki, enlil got pissed and has been seeking his revenge ever since.
The whole situation would continue?

[Calz]

M'lord:


I think that the two factions will be at it again, like they were all those years ago.

Hmmm ... if that is the case I wonder if all the hollywood "bad alien" programming was more than just project bluebeam??? :suspicious:

The "all seeing eye" would not appreciate the masses welcoming Enki's lot after what you suggest happened last time. :mad2:

[Calz]

jimbojp:


So is it a matter of choosing sides?
I mean isn't that what happened last time, humans sided with enki, enlil got pissed and has been seeking his revenge ever since.
The whole situation would continue?

Hopefully there will be "closure" this time ...

(note - can you edit out that unmatched "[ QUOTE ]" in your post so responses don't leave a confusing trail of "who said what" :gossip: ... thanks ) :thumb:

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I don't see any further need to try and derail this thread. I mean that in the best way possible. Cheers, Jake.
no trying to 'derail' any thread



I hear the slowly growing distant rumble ...

:cow: :horn:

[Lord Sidious]

So is it a matter of choosing sides?
I mean isn't that what happened last time, humans sided with enki, enlil got pissed and has been seeking his revenge ever since.
The whole situation would continue?

Probably, yeah.
But what else is there we can do?
Pray?
Evil needs to be opposed and if that requires some of us to spill our own blood, then so be it.
There has to be more to life than sitting here waiting?
They trained me to kill, I may as well use that against them know that I did my bit.
Talking will only get us so far.

PS Mods, are you going to let majanugget or whatever his name is just derail this thread too?
We are trying to debate something that he obviously has issues with.
Let him go debate scratch and match tickets or something.

[jimbojp]

Sid,
I don't think prayer is gonna help, nor do I think a war is the answer (as much as i'd like that), maybye there is another way.:confused:

[Seikou-Kishi]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

[Calz]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

Depends on who you are praying to ...

:angel: :decision: :mad2:

But wait ... isn't that what we have been talking about in this thread??? :juggle:

[jimbojp]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

I don't think prayer could hurt either:p, but doesn't there need to be some action too.
And when I say action I don't mean picking up a sword and chopping off heads!

[Calz]

Sid,
I don't think prayer is gonna help, nor do I think a war is the answer (as much as i'd like that), maybye there is another way.:confused:

If our "gods" have not gotten over war ... then we could be in for a rather long haul ...

Thank goodness for those "golden ages" to give us a vacation every now and again :thank_you2:

[kersley]

So is it a matter of choosing sides?
I mean isn't that what happened last time, humans sided with enki, enlil got pissed and has been seeking his revenge ever since.
The whole situation would continue?

What is this? Humans sided with Enki? Why not? after all he is the father our our creation. It was Enlil that was against humans. He tried all sorts to get rid of the humans.
Which is why the God, Lead by Enki not to tell the humans what was about to take place, Noah's flood. However after the great flood, when the gods returned, they saw that some humans survived.
Enlil then had a change of hearts, He said that it was their(humans) destiny to have survived the flood.
This is when the gods handed down power and technology to the humans. they handed down kingship.

Please don't take my word for it. do some research and find your own truth. The bottom line is this.... No one on this forum can tell you this is actual fact. Most people on here tell their version. how many version should their be of one event? which version is true? you decide..

[Calz]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

I don't think prayer could hurt either:p, but doesn't there need to be some action too.
And when I say action I don't mean picking up a sword and chopping off heads!

Setting the "gods" aside for a moment ... us human folk have proven scientifically that consiousness has an effect on others (... everything?).

Best to stay as positive as possible regardless of what comes our way. Once you get over the fear of death ... then all that is left is "lessons" ... correct???

[Lord Sidious]

Sid,
I don't think prayer is gonna help, nor do I think a war is the answer (as much as i'd like that), maybye there is another way.:confused:

You pray while I sharpen up my blade weapons.
Best of both worlds.
I just want the madness to end, I am not worried about being here to enjoy the peace.
You have to crack eggs to make the omelette.

[777]

Yet again LS dropping bombs, nice one. VERY enlightening thread again

Just to play devil's advocate here, purely for debate and furtherment, not derailment, my understanding of the pyramid symbol and the eye was as follows:

The eye represents the circle within the triangle of the ancient alchemical symbol known as squaring the circle. This circle is surrounded by a square and the triangle by a further circle. I was thinking that the eye (circle) has been removed from the triangle (pyramid) and become detached, meaning that the process of spiritual transmutation cannot take place with the current power structure, until the symbol is restored. Enter of thine own free will etc.......

Just a thought.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

I don't think prayer could hurt either:p, but doesn't there need to be some action too.
And when I say action I don't mean picking up a sword and chopping off heads!

Setting the "gods" aside for a moment ... us human folk have proven scientifically that consiousness has an effect on others (... everything?).

Best to stay as positive as possible regardless of what comes our way. Once you get over the fear of death ... then all that is left is "lessons" ... correct???

This is Inelia's point in her post http://ascension101.com/ascension-information/31-september-2010/97-it-was-done-to-me-why-we-process-victim-energy.html

We need to remove as much negativity as we can. When we see chemtrails or the threat of war or big brother... all it is is the controllers in one last ditch attempt to get us pitying ourselves. To get us processing that victim energy to throw up great stinking clouds of negativity. Focus on the positive, process the negative and have a high-vibration profusion :D

[jimbojp]

Sid,
I don't think prayer is gonna help, nor do I think a war is the answer (as much as i'd like that), maybye there is another way.:confused:

You pray while I sharpen up my blade weapons.
Best of both worlds.
I just want the madness to end, I am not worried about being here to enjoy the peace.
You have to crack eggs to make the omelette.

I just want the madness to end too. If i'm making an omelette I dont't want it repeating on me! Isn't that what happened last time.

I don't know who enki and enlil are and I don't think I will ever know looking at history.
Could enlil and enki be considered as metaphors, light side/dark side if you will ?

[ThePythonicCow]

PS Mods, are you going to let majanugget or whatever his name is just derail this thread too?
We are trying to debate something that he obviously has issues with.
Let him go debate scratch and match tickets or something.
Shortly ago, we removed a couple of posts from this thread (so those reading the thread now will find Lord Sidious's PS to be strangely lacking in motivation.)

There is a difference between (1) limited, respectful, and productive dissent, and (2) disruptive or disdainful dissent.

One is encouraged, the other discouraged, and the mod team gets the last vote on which is which.

Carry on.

[jimbojp]

I don't think prayer could hurt :P

I don't think prayer could hurt either:p, but doesn't there need to be some action too.
And when I say action I don't mean picking up a sword and chopping off heads!

Setting the "gods" aside for a moment ... us human folk have proven scientifically that consiousness has an effect on others (... everything?).

Best to stay as positive as possible regardless of what comes our way. Once you get over the fear of death ... then all that is left is "lessons" ... correct???

This is Inelia's point in her post http://ascension101.com/ascension-information/31-september-2010/97-it-was-done-to-me-why-we-process-victim-energy.html

We need to remove as much negativity as we can. When we see chemtrails or the threat of war or big brother... all it is is the controllers in one last ditch attempt to get us pitying ourselves. To get us processing that victim energy to through up great stinking clouds of negativity. Focus on the positive, process the negative and have a high-vibration profusion :D

I agree, if you mean a positivity that is beyond good and evil, then yes.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I mean read Inelia's post :P

Seriously though it's very good :-)

[oceanz]

I don't know who enki and enlil are and I don't think I will ever know looking at history.
Could enlil and enki be considered as metaphors, light side/dark side if you will ?

More like the missing link between Homo Erectus and Homo Sapien.


http://www.halexandria.org/dward184.htm

“We therefore find Ea [Enki] as the reputed culprit who tried to teach early man (Adam) the way to spiritual freedom. This suggests that Ea intended his creation, Homo sapiens, to be suited for Earth labor, but at some point he changed his mind about using spiritual enslavement as a means.”

From a Biblical perspective, it was Enki who (with the critical assistance of his half-sister, Ninki, aka Nin-khursag) created Adam and Eve. It was Enlil, on the other hand, who created “Edin”. Enki was the serpent in the garden, who urged Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (which was infinitely beneficial to their spiritual growth). It was Enlil, who drove them out of Edin, while Enki was there to clothe them. It is worth noting that Zecharia Sitchin [2] claims that the biblical word for “snake” is nahash, which comes from the root word NHSH, and which means “to decipher, to find out.” In other words, Enki, the God of Wisdom.

[Calz]

Sid,
I don't think prayer is gonna help, nor do I think a war is the answer (as much as i'd like that), maybye there is another way.:confused:

You pray while I sharpen up my blade weapons.
Best of both worlds.
I just want the madness to end, I am not worried about being here to enjoy the peace.

You have to crack eggs to make the omelette.

Myself ... I prefer my eggs not be scambled ... but that is another story

I don't want my family to suffer is about all I can offer along those lines.

As for "choosing sides" there have been various sources suggesting (mostly channeled I suspect) that at the "end of the cycle" the truth would be made clear. We will be "offered the chance to make a choice."

In context with "chosing which side to fight for" :fencing: ... does anyone have any comments, insights or opinions to offer???

I would hazard to guess all those of "religious persuasion" would (currently) fall under Unlil's hat??? Yes that would be all organized religion. Will those people have the "truth" made aware to them despite a lifetime of conditioned belief???

Do Enki's "scout ships" start opening up "recruiting stations"???

Do we all have a "truth packet" telepathically dumped on us ... sign on the dotted line kinda thang???

Throwing out a few things that could well have no good answers ... but just following the thread of thought here and trying to project the results.

[Seikou-Kishi]

A fight, Calz, is what they want. They want to lower your vibration. Do not accept anything that lowers your vibration (unless you want and choose to) :-)

[davyj0nes]

I'm not sure that war is the answer. Why not just give Lord Enlil a starship and enough fuel and he can go where ever he wants.

[jimbojp]

I've had enough of these demi gods being in charge of humanity. I'd like to see humanity on top of the pyramid.

[Seikou-Kishi]

But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

[Calz]

I'm not sure that war is the answer. Why not just give Lord Enlil a starship and enough fuel and he can go where ever he wants.


Fascinating ... if only it were that simple. :nod:

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[jimbojp]

But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

I have faith in humanity, if the people on top of the pyramid were wise and learned then I would see no problem. When I was growing up my mother and father were in charge of the household, they made the rules, it was a hierachy, I have no problem with that. They didn't use pain and suffering to teach me they used love to guide me.

[Seikou-Kishi]

But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

I have faith in humanity, if the people on top of the pyramid were wise and learned then I would see no problem. When I was growing up my mother and father were in charge of the household, they made the rules, it was a hierachy, I have no problem with that. They didn't use pain and suffering to teach me they used love to guide me.

Except your analogy falls short straight away. This paternalism doesn't work in national politics. Why should it work in racial politics? "Our race is above yours, therefore be dutiful and obedient and we shall be magnanimous and benevolent" (actually, that sounds disturbingly familiar). What if they rebelled against your regime, would that justify 'correction'? It is folly.

[Calz]

But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

Exactly.

Allegedly more "advanced" et societies chose their "leaders" on the basis of spiritual awareness and advancement. Perhaps if we as humanity can ever advance to telepathy for all (aka the *lies stop*) then such a path may be available and having leadership could, in fact, be quite beneficial.

[jimbojp]

But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

I have faith in humanity, if the people on top of the pyramid were wise and learned then I would see no problem. When I was growing up my mother and father were in charge of the household, they made the rules, it was a hierachy, I have no problem with that. They didn't use pain and suffering to teach me they used love to guide me.

Except your analogy falls short straight away. This paternalism doesn't work in national politics. Why should it work in racial politics? "Our race is above yours, therefore be dutiful and obedient and we shall be magnanimous and benevolent" (actually, that sounds disturbingly familiar). What if they rebelled against your regime, would that justify 'correction'? It is folly.

I was suggesting that the rulers were selected for their wisdom, nothing to do with race. A natural hierachy. Do you think society could move forward without any leaders?

[Seikou-Kishi]

Yes. Who would determine who was sufficiently wise?


I would like you to be right.

[Calz]

Do you think society could move forward without any leaders?

Good question.

Another Alex Collier moment ... "why do people born on your planet have to pay for it" (paraphrasing from memory regarding the use of money).

[OnyxKnight]

Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?

It seems that they created man as a type of slave, possibly to mine gold, that is one theory.
There are gold mines on the planet that predate recorded history, so that is a possibility and also explains why there is no missing link.
Once they got what they wanted, I suppose they went elsewhere.
There was a war on the planet where man fought the gods, as you would find in the Vedas.
Some of them, probably Enlil/Jehovah and Marduk never left, they may have been marooned.
All of this, what we call civilisation may be a support system for them until they can get off of Earth and go home, or help arrives.
That could also explain the world government and the need they have to reduce the planet's population to conserve resources.
So, this, what we call existence is probably not what they intended when they genetically engineered man.

True. Things have changed, otherwise we wouldn't have even reach a 'homo sapiens' stage. First impressions go a long way, and I think we have impressed some of them enough, that they not only have let us behave more freely, but they also showed us and taught us things.

Regarding population reduction - there are enough resources to go around for more than 40 billion humans. Its not a matter of resources. Its a matter of management. You can manage 500 million people more easily then you can manage 7 billion, don't you agree?

We are reaching a number that is harder and harder to control and keep in order.

[Seikou-Kishi]

"why do people born on your planet have to pay for it"

By the end of a lifetime, anybody daft enough to come here has more than paid for their own mistake XD

[jimbojp]

Yes. Who would determine who was sufficiently wise?


I would like you to be right.

I'd like to be right too, but at the moment I'm running on faith.;)
We all would determine who was sufficiently wise.
At the moment our politicians are chosen by the ptb, not us. I have faith that given the right options humanity will make the right choices.

[Calz]

Regarding population reduction - there are enough resources to go around for more than 40 billion humans. Its not a matter of resources. Its a matter of management. You can manage 500 million people more easily then you can manage 7 billion, don't you agree?

We are reaching a number that is harder and harder to control and keep in order.

That, of course, all depends on what technology that already exists *here* as well as any other technology existing *elsewhere* would be released to heal the planet.

Yes the globalist wet dream is to have a select few (them of course) with command of a small transhumanist society completely under their control.

[Leon]

I noticed there are those who believe this is a racist thread... I don't think these people have any idea what racism is... like most people don't.

This is just a simple question. the answer may be complex enough...

Let's see if we can come up with an answer instead of bikkering about who is racist, who is right etc...

When did white man come here?

Or when did white man come from?

Are we a mix race?

Are we realted to any other race? eg. Arabian? do we stem from Persia? (Iraq Iran area)

perhaps a link to the war there?

[K626]

Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?

It seems that they created man as a type of slave, possibly to mine gold, that is one theory.
There are gold mines on the planet that predate recorded history, so that is a possibility and also explains why there is no missing link.
Once they got what they wanted, I suppose they went elsewhere.
There was a war on the planet where man fought the gods, as you would find in the Vedas.
Some of them, probably Enlil/Jehovah and Marduk never left, they may have been marooned.
All of this, what we call civilisation may be a support system for them until they can get off of Earth and go home, or help arrives.
That could also explain the world government and the need they have to reduce the planet's population to conserve resources.
So, this, what we call existence is probably not what they intended when they genetically engineered man.

True. Things have changed, otherwise we wouldn't have even reach a 'homo sapiens' stage. First impressions go a long way, and I think we have impressed some of them enough, that they not only have let us behave more freely, but they also showed us and taught us things.

Regarding population reduction - there are enough resources to go around for more than 40 billion humans. Its not a matter of resources. Its a matter of management. You can manage 500 million people more easily then you can manage 7 billion, don't you agree?

We are reaching a number that is harder and harder to control and keep in order.

The hidden story is the naked and wanton consumption of the west and also the waste of energy resources. America alone wastes over 50% of the energy it consumes. Startling and unbelieveable that number may be...
Resources are being used as tools for profit and trading and also as weapons against poorer countries who are forces to take more BANK LOANS to pay old debt to get new loans to buy basics like food and water.
It is really a CONSUMPTION issue right now rather than a population issue.

The cost in energy and materials to build one western family car could feed and water and supply energy to an average African or Indian village for a month.

These are the REAL issues and comparisons that can help people understand what is going on, but of course they never make the news.

cheers

K

[Lord Sidious]

I just want the madness to end too. If i'm making an omelette I dont't want it repeating on me! Isn't that what happened last time.

I don't know who enki and enlil are and I don't think I will ever know looking at history.
Could enlil and enki be considered as metaphors, light side/dark side if you will ?

Enki and Enlil are gods of the Sumerians who were probably extra terrarestrial in origin.
They could be used as metaphors, but most of the metaphors are probably about them to begin with.



PS Mods, are you going to let majanugget or whatever his name is just derail this thread too?
We are trying to debate something that he obviously has issues with.
Let him go debate scratch and match tickets or something.
Shortly ago, we removed a couple of posts from this thread (so those reading the thread now will find Lord Sidious's PS to be strangely lacking in motivation.)

There is a difference between (1) limited, respectful, and productive dissent, and (2) disruptive or disdainful dissent.

One is encouraged, the other discouraged, and the mod team gets the last vote on which is which.

Carry on.

Thanks bovinenugget. :p


I'm not sure that war is the answer. Why not just give Lord Enlil a starship and enough fuel and he can go where ever he wants.

In all likelyhood he will do something to another group.
Why let dirtbags continue their actions?
Some of us were conditioned to be warriors and were built for it.
I was.
So when the darkness comes out of me, I want to destroy the ones who control that darkness.
I want the madness to end, because there are people on this planet I care more about than my own existence.
Knowing that they would be free would mean I would have the armour and weapons out in seconds.
Much like the samurai of old, it is possible to go to your own end singing and full of joy.
Many of you are not conditioned and built for conflict, let those who are go.
My handle is only partly in jest.



True. Things have changed, otherwise we wouldn't have even reach a 'homo sapiens' stage. First impressions go a long way, and I think we have impressed some of them enough, that they not only have let us behave more freely, but they also showed us and taught us things.

Regarding population reduction - there are enough resources to go around for more than 40 billion humans. Its not a matter of resources. Its a matter of management. You can manage 500 million people more easily then you can manage 7 billion, don't you agree?

We are reaching a number that is harder and harder to control and keep in order.

I do agree, this is all about control, nothing else.



I'd like to be right too, but at the moment I'm running on faith.;)

Does her husband know about this? :eek:

[oceanz]

http://image.absoluteastronomy.com/images/encyclopediaimages/d/da/damavand3.jpg

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Iran

Iran in modern Persian derives from the Proto-Iranian term Aryānā, first attested in Zoroastrianism's Avesta tradition. Ariya- and Airiia- are also attested as an ethnic designator in Achaemenid inscriptions. The term Ērān, from Middle Persian indigenously known as " Ērān (written as ''ʼyrʼn) is found on the inscription that accompanies the investiture relief of Ardashir at Naqsh-e Rustam. In this inscription, the king's appellation in Middle Persian contains the term ērān (Pahlavi ''ʼryʼn), while in the Parthian language inscription that accompanies it, the term aryān describes Iran.

In Ardeshir's time, ērān retained this meaning, denoting the people rather than the state. The name Iran is a of Aryan, and means "Land of the Aryan's".

Lots of artifacts found in Iran dating back from around 2.5 million years ago.
I think the Sumerian Civilization started 9,000 B.C in neighbouring, Iraq?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Samarra_bowl.jpg/220px-Samarra_bowl.jpg
The Samarra bowl (the swastika is a reconstruction)


Enki in the south at the temple in Eridu. Enki was the god of beneficence, ruler of the freshwater depths beneath the earth, a healer and friend to humanity who in Sumerian myth was thought to have given humans the arts and sciences, the industries and manners of civilization; the first law-book was considered his creation.

Fresh water depths beneath the Earth - under the ice in Antartica?


Enlil, lord of the ghost-land, in the north at the temple of Nippur. His gifts to mankind were said to be the spells and incantations that the spirits of good or evil were compelled to obey.

Seems plausible that these half brothers who are polar opposites would be as far away as possible (north and south).

[Anno]

Well it's taken me a good few days to read this thread (between working) and that's odd because I can read a harry potter book in a week. Lots of information here and some I've not seen anywhere else.

I have a few things to contribute.

I'm inclined to agree that the white race is not from this planet, but I would also include the other races. I think the black race was created here first from some form of hominid and the other races were brought/created here later by other off world cultures. That said, I like to remember that the body is a suit and what is inside can not be seen but felt.

I think that the true form of Racism is a variation of threat pattern recognition similar to the cause of arachnaphobia transmitted through genetic memory, but it has been hijacked by tptb to cause division. Short version: After speaking to friends of diferent races I worked out that they are only naturally 'racist' towards males who come from groups that their dna would have faced in battle in recent history, including their own.
For example, the main tension is between white/black/arab but they all seem to think the chinese and native americans are cool and don't mind the females from any group.
The 'racism' is simply an initial feeling of unease or distrust that passes quickly once they connect with the spirit inside the machine. The version of multiculturalism we have is intentionally designed to keep people at this level of unease by preventing true mixing and causing ongoing tension and division between us all which adds cognitive programming to the true 'initial unease' to create the reality of what we experience as racism.

I wish people would stop citing Icke, Maxwell and Wiki like they're reliable primary sources.

Someone mentioned squaring the circle. I think the eye is a zero to remind us to include zero in our math and is a clue that the triangle we see in the pyramid is really a square and the pyramid is really a sphere. (see: Graham Hancock - Fingerprints of the Gods).
Same source for whoever mentioned precesion relating to the swastika.
Same source for evidence of Black and White ancients existing side by side and equally in pre-olmec south america.
And also see that book for evidence suggesting that the Antarctic continent was originally further north and was 'atlantis'. It uses the theory of crust displacement to explain why it is where it is now and why the old north pole was in the hudson bay along with all the flash frozen mammoths in alaska/siberia etc.
The pole shift is a misdirection from crust displacement in my opinion.

And finally... ...I think it more likely that the Rothschilds (whoever) that are aiding Enlil are more likely to be none-human. Given their attributes I think it's unlikely they'd trust Enlil if they were human and would probably seek to replace him rather than serve him.

=]

[davyj0nes]

Fascinating ... if only it were that simple. :nod:
^^^^
this is my favorite post so far :)


I'm not sure that war is the answer. Why not just give Lord Enlil a starship and enough fuel and he can go where ever he wants.



In all likelyhood he will do something to another group.
Why let dirtbags continue their actions?
Some of us were conditioned to be warriors and were built for it.
I was.
So when the darkness comes out of me, I want to destroy the ones who control that darkness.
I want the madness to end, because there are people on this planet I care more about than my own existence.
Knowing that they would be free would mean I would have the armour and weapons out in seconds.
Much like the samurai of old, it is possible to go to your own end singing and full of joy.
Many of you are not conditioned and built for conflict, let those who are go.
My handle is only partly in jest.

I can understand where you are coming from. i don't like it, but i can understand why.

[Calz]

Shifting gears just a bit (politically correct verbage for not wanting to resort to a naked :bump2: to keep this thread going) ...

There has been speculation from several sources that the "comet" Elenin was spotted "intelligently navigating" it's way through the asteroid belt (clearly inferring a craft of some sort).

Anyone here have any thoughts on that??? (Enki???)

Anyone here have any thoughts on the "comet" not being a "comet" at all but rather a dwarf star???

Does that tie into the *TIMING* of Enki faction arriving??? (asked this before)

Anyone paying attention to the astronomical alignments going on here with respect to the major earthquake activity lately???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOfBrNUOGA&feature=related

[Anno]

Shifting gears just a bit (politically correct verbage for not wanting to resort to a naked :bump2: to keep this thread going) ...

There has been speculation from several sources that the "comet" Elenin was spotted "intelligently navigating" it's way through the asteroid belt (clearly inferring a craft of some sort).

Anyone here have any thoughts on that??? (Enki???)

I had a bit of a 'train of thought' about it. That's a time-travel pun, you'll get it in the future.

The "Enki is coming" idea has changed my mind on planetry sized spaceships. I've always thought it was a bit of a silly idea. When applying the internationally recognised customer service mantra of choice "Put yourself in the place of the alien", I couldn't see the point in planetary sized spacecraft.
I've got a pretty good feeling that once you've seen a bit of space, you've seen it all and you'd soon get bored. Even if I was immortal, why would I, as an alien, want to travel so slowly? Especially if I had wormhole and/or time travel technology. I would just get so bored and people onboard would get bored and start bickering and falling out. Things would break or run out. And what if I had to change course half way through and go somewhere else? I'd also have to carry a lot of supplies, mainly a massive amount of water and that stuff is big and heavy. I just couldn't see the point.

It ties in to the Enki is coming idea because I thought, if he has wormhole and/or time travel technology, why do we have to wait for him? Why don't they just 'appear'?

Thinking about it again now, I can think of one thing that accounts for all of the above. Mass. When I was about 14 I had a really good lesson on Mass and its effects on moving bodies. I went hiking with someone who was quite short and bad at packing. He had about a foot of heavy rucksack above his head. We decided to run down a hill, his rucksack went faster than him, straight over his head, then it was wearing him for a few meters until eventually they both collided with the Earth at a suprisingly impressive speed. It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

Maybe there's a maximum Mass for craft to use wormholes before they get uncontrollable and dangerous. Apart from navigation issues, you've got stopping distance to think about. If that 'terminal mass' isn't large enough to support decent long term space exploration, (particularly water carrying) then the next logical option would become Deathstar. At that point, the more mass you have the better, because you can use other bodies to slingshot yourself around and conserve fuel for course altering.

So now I think the general concept of planetary sized craft is plausible. Although it doesn't answer my problem of changing course when things change.
The only solution I can think of for that is Trains. If I was a supremely powerful alien, I'd have a few such craft on set orbital routes around the universe. Then I could use smaller craft and/or jump gates to hop from each one and then get anywhere I want in a reasonable time whilst still being able to carry and infinite amount of supplies and minions.

We know the Ancients were obsessed with measuring time and planetary movements and we know they were a maritime based culture, so perhaps things like the Mayan Calendar are intergallactic train timetables and our next scheduled arrival is 2012?

[gabbahh]

I have faith in humanity, if the people on top of the pyramid were wise and learned then I would see no problem. When I was growing up my mother and father were in charge of the household, they made the rules, it was a hierachy, I have no problem with that. They didn't use pain and suffering to teach me they used love to guide me.
I have a serious problem with this pyramid thinking. I will resist ANY who dares to put himself above myself and others. We do not need rulers. Had them for ages, does not work. The progress we have realised is because WE CHOOSE to work together, not because our leaders direct us.

I think this world would move into the Golden Age the moment we all realize we do not need leaders. Organizers and teachers yes. Leaders NO. Take away the power structure which controls us and we will learn in short order that we are more than able to lead ourselves. This acceptance and need for hierarchy feels like a slave mentality.

One of the biggest faults in our thinking is this believing in leaders. These leaders do not exist, currently the world is being run by corporations and power groups, the leaders are sock puppets.

Each one teach one, follow your own path. Work together and anything is possible. Natural yes, hierarchical no. Kill the beast, don't try and raise a new one.

PLUR, Ton

[Calz]

I have a serious problem with this pyramid thinking. I will resist ANY who dares to put himself above myself and others. We do not need rulers. Had them for ages, does not work. The progress we have realised is because WE CHOOSE to work together, not because our leaders direct us.

I think this world would move into the Golden Age the moment we all realize we do not need leaders. Organizers and teachers yes. Leaders NO. Take away the power structure which controls us and we will learn in short order that we are more than able to lead ourselves. This acceptance and need for hierarchy feels like a slave mentality.

One of the biggest faults in our thinking is this believing in leaders. These leaders do not exist, currently the world is being run by corporations and power groups, the leaders are sock puppets.

Each one teach one, follow your own path. Work together and anything is possible. Natural yes, hierarchical no. Kill the beast, don't try and raise a new one.

PLUR, Ton

In the current paradigm I completely concur.

Taking from a previous post ... this is what I would hope will follow:




But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

Exactly.

Allegedly more "advanced" et societies chose their "leaders" on the basis of spiritual awareness and advancement. Perhaps if we as humanity can ever advance to telepathy for all (aka the *lies stop*) then such a path may be available and having leadership could, in fact, be quite beneficial.

[gabbahh]

I have a serious problem with this pyramid thinking. I will resist ANY who dares to put himself above myself and others. We do not need rulers. Had them for ages, does not work. The progress we have realised is because WE CHOOSE to work together, not because our leaders direct us.

I think this world would move into the Golden Age the moment we all realize we do not need leaders. Organizers and teachers yes. Leaders NO. Take away the power structure which controls us and we will learn in short order that we are more than able to lead ourselves. This acceptance and need for hierarchy feels like a slave mentality.

One of the biggest faults in our thinking is this believing in leaders. These leaders do not exist, currently the world is being run by corporations and power groups, the leaders are sock puppets.

Each one teach one, follow your own path. Work together and anything is possible. Natural yes, hierarchical no. Kill the beast, don't try and raise a new one.

PLUR, Ton

In the current paradigm I completely concur.

Taking from a previous post ... this is what I would hope will follow:




But seeing "humanity on top of the pyramid" only means there would be some other unfortunate people beneath humanity. Why would you want to inflict suffering and control to which you yourself have been subjected? Pain and suffering normally teach people that pain and suffering aren't things to be spread about.

Exactly.

Allegedly more "advanced" et societies chose their "leaders" on the basis of spiritual awareness and advancement. Perhaps if we as humanity can ever advance to telepathy for all (aka the *lies stop*) then such a path may be available and having leadership could, in fact, be quite beneficial.
These would indeed be different "leaders", those who lead without force and deception. More like spiritual guides helping us on our journey.

[oceanz]

Calz_Avaretard - the "comet" Elenin could well be a "comet" or it is powered by Enlil rather than Enki (who is probably asleep under the ice in Antartica).

As much as it pains me to use Wikileaks it does lead to other sources and ideas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=10481


According to Sumerian mythology, Enki also assisted humanity to survive the Deluge (Noah's ark flood)
designed to kill them. Enki explains that Enlil is unfair to punish the guiltless Atrahasis for the sins of his fellows, and secures a promise that the gods will not eliminate humankind if they practice birth control and live within the means of the natural world. The threat is made, however, that if humans do not honor their side of the covenant the gods will be free to wreak havoc once again. This is apparently the oldest of the surviving Middle Eastern Deluge myths.


The end of the pre-dynastic "antediluvian" rulers of the Sumerian civilization and the start of the First Dynasty of Kish after 2900 BC. ("After the flood had swept over, and the kingship had descended from heaven, the kingship was in Kish.")


The theory is that a meteor or comet crashed into the Ocean and generated a giant tsunami that flooded coastal lands.

Enlil is the wind/storm and weather god.

Putting aside man made weather modifications there sure is hell a lot of flooding and tornados in the US at the moment as this "comet" approaches Earth.

[davyj0nes]

you know i just had a crazy thought, what if Lord Rothschild is planning to get rid of both Lord Enlil and Enki. Then mankind would become like the gods. I think i asked about this during the atticus saga. If that is the case then, neither Lord Enlil or Enki are safe, and mankind has a third option to choose from.
Lord Enlil, Lord Enki, or themselves.
From there, the most rational choice would be to pick themselves/humanity.
So would that mean that TPTB are really the "good" guys in all of this...

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the "comet" Elenin could well be a "comet" or it is powered by Enlil rather than Enki (who is probably asleep under the ice in Antartica).

holycow, that would explain why the nazi high-tailed it to Antartica. They're trying to find and awaken Enki, before Enlil gets here.

[Lord Sidious]

The idea that some here would like to be the gods themselves is highly likely.
The rothschilds would be high on that list I would think.

[oceanz]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18862-EL-Rothschild-buys-70-stake-in-Weather-Central

Well the Rothschilds did buy a 70% stake in Weather Central. They have first hand information on what the weather (Enlil) is doing/going to do.

LeoNorth - yes, something is happening in Antartica http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19913-Magnetic-Time-Vortex-Over-Antarctica

Could've been Enki and not the time vortex that they were after (or both)...

[oceanz]

And also see that book for evidence suggesting that the Antarctic continent was originally further north and was 'atlantis'. It uses the theory of crust displacement to explain why it is where it is now and why the old north pole was in the hudson bay along with all the flash frozen mammoths in alaska/siberia etc.
The pole shift is a misdirection from crust displacement in my opinion.
=]

Antartica further north, maybe New Calendonia? (en = lord)

Quoting myself from Magnetic Time thread:

* New Calendonia (Calendonia is a latin name for Scotland) and has the name of Calliou (meaning "the stone"), when it broke apart of Zealandia it was known as the Noahs Ark of sorts.

Search on New Calendonia and Enlil and Enki:

http://watch-unto-prayer.org/merovingian.html
Not only was Meroveus sired by the sea beast, Neptune, the Merovingian race was sired by the Nephilim—that demonically-bred race of giants which God destroyed in the Flood. That the Merovingian bloodline is associated with the subterranean race that inhabits earth's center (Hell) is confirmed by DragonKey Press, where a review is posted of a book by Kenneth Grant, who was appointed by Aleister 'The Beast' Crowley to succeed him as Grand Master of the Ordo Templi Orientis:

"The Nephilim were banished to the center of the earth for disobeying God by mating with the daughters of men and teaching them the 'forbidden' arts. In this publication the Nephilim have been identified as the Fathers of the Merovingians...

"...the Merovingian race was sired by a water beast known as the Quinotaur. This Quinotaur took the form of a sea-bull. Crowley's personal seal was of a sea goat. Grant, writing of Crowley's Seal of the Beast, says: 'The beast is the sea-goat or amphibious monster identical with Cthulhu, the Quinotaure or Bull of the Deep.' Grant writes as a footnote; 'The waters under the earth; home of the 'ancestors' or subconscious atavisms of the race.' Is this a reference to the race of the Grail?." (571)

It was originally from Cain, whose descendants intermarried with the Nephilim, that the Grail race descended. Enki, the twin brother of Enlil, is merely an anagram of Cain, whose twin was Abel according to occult belief.

"The mortal world spreads east and west and the land of le invisibles lies above and below it in the vertical dimensions of height and depths, north and south, Horus and Set.' This ties in with the Book of Enoch and the Hosts above and the fallen, banished Nephilim below.
This is the part that I'm more interested in:

This also reminds us of the twins or brother gods in Sumeria called Enki and Enlil. Enki, the infernal of the two, represents Set and Enlil represents Horus (although in this context Enlil would also be Osiris.) In ancient mythologies names and stories can be switched and one god can also be an attribute of another. It's best to keep this in mind when studying this type of material. Set kills Osiris as Enki kills Enlil. As it has been shown in another article of this publication, Enki is associated with Cain, and Cain was a very bad boy. Enki was an infernal god that has been identified, in this publication, as siring the Merovingian race.

"...Enki has been associated with Set...who is also Satan...
Satan not being what we think of Satan to be (I think Lord Sidious had a good definition somewhere in this thread).


The Eye Over the Throne was a hieroglyph used in Egypt and Sumeria to denote the world monarchy of the Atlantean Gods. Since here it is called 'Kingu', obviously he was one of these 'kings', perhaps related etymologically to 'Cain', whose name is the root from which the word 'king' comes, and who is said to be one of the eldest ancestors of the Grail family.

"The Secret Doctrine given to the elite castes of mankind by the Nephilim or the 'Annunaki', the gods of ancient Sumeria and Atlantis, has been passed down through the ages, not only to the Masons, Templars, Rosicrucians, and other fraternal orders which perpetuate the tradition, but also to the teenage geeks and D & D 'gamers' of today :p

There have been a lot of earthquakes in the New Calendonia region lately...

[Lord Sidious]

There there erm, typonugget, there is no Calendonia, it is Caledonia.

[oceanz]

There there erm, typonugget, there is no Calendonia, it is Caledonia.

its a silent "n" - :o note to self: must use spell checker, must use spell checker!

[jimbojp]

I read this a while ago whilst doing some research on chemtrails, made no sense at the time.
A nice story about christmas :smokin:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Chemtrails-The-Truth


The image of Santa Claus as the epitome of human generosity and goodness down the ages is well known to everyone. People still marvel at how he can manage to get around so many children, to deliver his gifts in one night. How many of us have not listened for the sound of sleighbells on the roof, or looked out our bedroom windows to see if we could spot him flying by the moon. He may be a great man, but he does conceal a great sadness in his heart. Behind The "Ho, Ho, Ho, sometimes the tears fall.
The reason for this is because Santa Claus has a younger brother, and this brother is not a nice person at all.


When young Santa was growing up in Greenland many years ago, playing with the reindeer, giving sweets to the polar bears, and dreaming about how he would like to spread happiness and joy to the world when he grew up; there was one person who watched everything he did with a decidedly jaundiced eye. Cedric Claus was an altogether different type of child. He was much more inclined to feed reindeer to the polar bears than to give them sweets. If young Santa stroked a kitten, Cedric would pull its tail. Anything good or nice that Santa did his brother would always try to do the opposite. The result was that everyone loved Santa Claus, and everyone hated Cedric. The more the people, the polar bears, and the reindeer lauded the older brother the more the iron grip of insane jealousy took hold in the soul of the younger. He vowed to do everything he could to frustrate the plans of his hated rival.

[Calz]

Calz_Avaretard - the "comet" Elenin could well be a "comet" or it is powered by Enlil rather than Enki (who is probably asleep under the ice in Antartica).

As much as it pains me to use Wikileaks it does lead to other sources and ideas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=10481


According to Sumerian mythology, Enki also assisted humanity to survive the Deluge (Noah's ark flood)
designed to kill them. Enki explains that Enlil is unfair to punish the guiltless Atrahasis for the sins of his fellows, and secures a promise that the gods will not eliminate humankind if they practice birth control and live within the means of the natural world. The threat is made, however, that if humans do not honor their side of the covenant the gods will be free to wreak havoc once again. This is apparently the oldest of the surviving Middle Eastern Deluge myths.


The end of the pre-dynastic "antediluvian" rulers of the Sumerian civilization and the start of the First Dynasty of Kish after 2900 BC. ("After the flood had swept over, and the kingship had descended from heaven, the kingship was in Kish.")


The theory is that a meteor or comet crashed into the Ocean and generated a giant tsunami that flooded coastal lands.

Enlil is the wind/storm and weather god.

Putting aside man made weather modifications there sure is hell a lot of flooding and tornados in the US at the moment as this "comet" approaches Earth.

Very Interesting

7750

I suggested Enki as it fit one of the themes of the thread (Enki faction was "incoming").

Interesting thoughts ... thanks :thumb:

[davyj0nes]

There has been speculation from several sources that the "comet" Elenin was spotted "intelligently navigating" it's way through the asteroid belt (clearly inferring a craft of some sort).

Anyone here have any thoughts on that??? (Enki???)

It might be Enki, but it could also be Enlil. What are the nazi doing in antartica???


Anyone here have any thoughts on the "comet" not being a "comet" at all but rather a dwarf star???

If i had to choose between 'Elenin' being a 'comet' or a dwarf star, i'd pick a comet. I remember vaguely from science class that stars have a greater gravitational pull, and if that is the case 'Elenin' doesn't have to be as close as it is, or is going to get, to wreck unholy, planet cleansing. Or maybe, if it is a giant ball of gas, its going to ignite as it gets near the sun,frying the inner planets.


Does that tie into the *TIMING* of Enki faction arriving??? (asked this before)

It might be a comet, or it could be a brown dwarf, or it could be an alien armada headed this way. I hope for our sakes, if it is an alien armada its lord enki.


Anyone paying attention to the astronomical alignments going on here with respect to the major earthquake activity lately???

that sounds interesting, would the movement of the planets affect or perhaps point to another part of the story?

[oceanz]

The Big Bang Theory of two planets colliding to bring Earth into existence - what lifeforms at the smallest molecule level existed on both of these planets?

The extinction of the dinosaurs from an asteroid or comet - what new life form did that bring (at the smallest molecule level). Very few species of today exist from then (crocodiles springs to mind) - then of course much later appeared human beings.

Anytime an asteroid or comet crashes in Earth - what lifeforms are they picking up along the way?

Comet Elenin (Enlil) - what is that comet possibly carrying?

[Anno]

Antartica further north, maybe New Calendonia? (en = lord)


I'd have to go look it up to give you an accurate quote, but if you look at where the hudson bay is now, and where the current north pole is, that's the distance and direction of movement. He (Graham Hancock) also cited ancient maps that show Antartica's coast and terrain that could only have been made 10,000BC ish. Plus discoveries of fossilised plants that can only live in subtropical climates.
The general theory is that there is always an ice age, but it's localised to wherever is at the poles (as they get the least sun). When the ice builds up to a set point, it's putting so much weight on the crust that it causes it to slip. That causes the earthquakes and the volcanoes. The poles now having moved, melt. Giving you the floods.
The stars falling comes from the fact that the earth's crust is moving, so it's the observer moving, not the stars. When it stops they'll all appear to be in different places because the observer is at a different location. The ones that survive anyway.

Other evidence that I mentioned are the flash frozen animals and plants in Alaska and Siberia. It's also given as the reason for the northern european ice age ending, as we simply moved into the Sunnier part of the earth.

I just found the original source online: http://www.skrause.org/writing/papers/hapgood_and_ecd.shtml

[Gustav]

Anno

"Put yourself in the place of the alien", I couldn't see the point in planetary sized spacecraft.
I've got a pretty good feeling that once you've seen a bit of space, you've seen it all and you'd soon get bored. Even if I was immortal, why would I, as an alien, want to travel so slowly? Especially if I had wormhole and/or time travel technology. I would just get so bored and people onboard would get bored and start bickering and falling out. Things would break or run out. And what if I had to change course half way through and go somewhere else? I'd also have to carry a lot of supplies, mainly a massive amount of water and that stuff is big and heavy. I just couldn't see the point.



If you are immortal or have an, in our eyes, enormous lifespan than you will regard that timeconstruct as normal. So if you life 5000 years, than that is something as usual as us living 70 years on this earth. It is a matter of how time is perceived and we clearly perceive it from our tiny timescale of 364/365 sunrises and 1 circulation around our sun.

[Leon]

If the ancients do come back, they would listen to the Rothschilds, NWO people for how long?? before seeing threw their bull****!

They might accept some of the things that have been done, but overall man is responsible for the intoxication and overpopulation of this planet...

We have more to fear from our own then anyone coming here...

[Lord Sidious]

If the ancients do come back, they would listen to the Rothschilds, NWO people for how long?? before seeing threw their bull****!

I cannot imagine that these people would have the greed of the white race...

They might accept some of the things that have been done, but overall man is responsible for the intoxication and overpopulation of this planet...

We have more to fear from our own then anyone coming here...

What crap is this?
Are you going to generalise as well? Like we had a while ago?
Would you say that about other races?
They don't have greed?
Think before posting is a good rule.
I am a white man and I am not only not greedy, I resent your implication.

[Anno]

If you are immortal or have an, in our eyes, enormous lifespan than you will regard that timeconstruct as normal. So if you life 5000 years, than that is something as usual as us living 70 years on this earth. It is a matter of how time is perceived and we clearly perceive it from our tiny timescale of 364/365 sunrises and 1 circulation around our sun.

It's all relative isn't it? Whether I lived for 5,000 , 500 or 50 years, I'd still not want to spend large chunks of it sat around on my incredibly slow moving space planet. Even with really cool entertainment and a well stocked harem, boredom and entropy would always kick in.



I cannot imagine that these people would have the greed of the white race...


Let's hope they don't have your ignorance, either.

[davyj0nes]

If the ancients do come back, they would listen to the Rothschilds, NWO people for how long?? before seeing threw their bull****!

They might accept some of the things that have been done, but overall man is responsible for the intoxication and overpopulation of this planet...

We have more to fear from our own then anyone coming here...

i'm sure this sounds a lot worse than what leon meant to say.

[Gustav]

If you are immortal or have an, in our eyes, enormous lifespan than you will regard that timeconstruct as normal. So if you life 5000 years, than that is something as usual as us living 70 years on this earth. It is a matter of how time is perceived and we clearly perceive it from our tiny timescale of 364/365 sunrises and 1 circulation around our sun.

It's all relative isn't it? Whether I lived for 5,000 , 500 or 50 years, I'd still not want to spend large chunks of it sat around on my incredibly slow moving space planet. Even with really cool entertainment and a well stocked harem, boredom and entropy would always kick in.



I cannot imagine that these people would have the greed of the white race...


Let's hope they don't have your ignorance, either.

True, but than still the perspective of a long time is different than from what we perceive to do. It is an assumption that people/aliens will get bored etc. A rightful assumption from our perspective, but if you think that time is indeed relative than boredom will be as relative. Besides, when you have a planet to roam on, there is enough exploring to do. It just does not fit to me, that if you have a space vessel the size of a planet that an entity/alien/etc. would experience boredom. It is not that there is nothing to do around ;). And still, are you bored? You have traveled at least a few billion kilomteres since the time you entered upon this earth, yet have you been bored most of the time?

[Anno]

True, but than still the perspective of a long time is different than from what we perceive to do. It is an assumption that people/aliens will get bored etc. A rightful assumption from our perspective, but if you think that time is indeed relative than boredom will be as relative. Besides, when you have a planet to roam on, there is enough exploring to do. It just does not fit to me, that if you have a space vessel the size of a planet that an entity/alien/etc. would experience boredom. It is not that there is nothing to do around ;). And still, are you bored? You have traveled at least a few billion kilomteres since the time you entered upon this earth, yet have you been bored most of the time?

Good points Gustav! I was imagining some kind of internal spaceship type deal. It could be a huge paradise planet with all sorts of environments to explore. And yes, this planet is a spaceship. We always think (or are trained to think) that we're just going round and round the Sun but in reality we're spiraling through space at thousands of miles an hour.

The only boredom I experience is caused by limitations. If I was free to roam the Earth exploring, free from worries of security or stavation, then I'd feel very differently. Maybe that's the way the Earth was once. I hope it will be again.

You've changed my mind on this one Gustav =]

[oceanz]

Rothschild:

'Roth' original meaning:

http://www.searchforancestors.com/surnames/origin/r/rothschild.php
From a town in Denmark, which is said to take its name from a river with which it is watered that drives several mills. Roe, in the ancient Danish language, signifies a king, and kille, a stream of water or brook, i. e., the king's brook. Some have given the signification 'Red-shield' to the name, from Roth, red.
'Child' meaning:

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/child
(2). A descendant, however remote; -- used esp. in the plural;
as, the children of Israel; the children of Edom.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16101-Proof-that-Comet-Elenin-doesn-t-exists!-We-have-Nibiru-instead!/page11

The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).

One is the guardian of the North Pole and the other is the Guardian of the South Pole

[Anno]

[...]
The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).
[...]

The Red and Blue teams are everywhere aren't they. In football (english) the main two teams in each area are red and blue (usually catholic and protestant) the Masons (and even OTO) have the red/blue. Boxing rings have red/blue corner.

Red + Blue = Purple. Purple is meant to be a Royal colour because of its rarity. Maybe it works backwards. Purple = Red + Blue, so the ruling whoevers created the red/blue competition to keep people busy?

[Lord Sidious]

If the ancients do come back, they would listen to the Rothschilds, NWO people for how long?? before seeing threw their bull****!

They might accept some of the things that have been done, but overall man is responsible for the intoxication and overpopulation of this planet...

We have more to fear from our own then anyone coming here...

i'm sure this sounds a lot worse than what leon meant to say.

It probably does, but didn't we just have a HUGE thread over this same crap?
I bet he wouldn't have thought twice about saying that about africans, asians, arabs, or anyone else.
The madness rears it's head in the most unusual places.
We are all people, we all have the capacity to be good or bad.

[oceanz]

[...]
The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).
[...]

The Red and Blue teams are everywhere aren't they. In football (english) the main two teams in each area are red and blue (usually catholic and protestant) the Masons (and even OTO) have the red/blue. Boxing rings have red/blue corner.

Red + Blue = Purple. Purple is meant to be a Royal colour because of its rarity. Maybe it works backwards. Purple = Red + Blue, so the ruling whoevers created the red/blue competition to keep people busy?

You forgot the two biggest: red vs blue... Political parties (Democrats & Republicans and here in Australia: Labor & Liberal (even though in the end they all come from the same 'family').

So not everything is in black & white perhaps we should look at things in red & blue.

BTW: there are alot of countries that have the colours red & blue in their flags.

[jimbojp]

[...]
The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).
[...]

The Red and Blue teams are everywhere aren't they. In football (english) the main two teams in each area are red and blue (usually catholic and protestant) the Masons (and even OTO) have the red/blue. Boxing rings have red/blue corner.

Red + Blue = Purple. Purple is meant to be a Royal colour because of its rarity. Maybe it works backwards. Purple = Red + Blue, so the ruling whoevers created the red/blue competition to keep people busy?

You forgot the two biggest: red vs blue... Political parties (Democrats & Republicans and here in Australia: Labor & Liberal (even though in the end they all come from the same 'family').

So not everything is in black & white perhaps we should look at things in red & blue.

BTW: there are alot of countries that have the colours red & blue in their flags.
http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/resources/images/1629089/?type=display[/IMG]http://spiderman.ugo.com/images/television/animated/new-animated-series.jpg
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4c36324c7f8b9a763e350000-300-225/obama-june-2010-red-blue.jpghttp://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web05/2011/5/30/15/supermans-ultimate-disguise-19465-1306785159-30.jpg
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[oceanz]

The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).

One is the guardian of the North Pole and the other is the Guardian of the South Pole

When something enters the upper atmosphere from space doesn't it burn red?

Isn't ice that is very deep, look like a blue colour? So if Enki is under the ice of Antartica, when he rises it would look like a burning blue star?

Would the force of rising out of Antartica and the powers he brings make Earth spin Anti-clockwise as in the Hopi Prophecy?

[Leon]

no need to offend because someone puts their thoughts here....

[Lord Sidious]

no need to offend because someone puts their thoughts here....

Erm, you offended me with your post.

[MoSh187]

Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.

This is why I am wary of plaeidian aliens... they bear resemblance to aryans.

[OnyxKnight]

Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.

This is why I am wary of plaeidian aliens... they bear resemblance to aryans.

Those of Aldebaran do have origins from the Pleiadian group, but the reason they went on that system was because they were forced to leave. They were causing a lot of trouble in their planets in the Pleiades.

I also would be wary of them, as the Pleiadians tend to lie and manipulate a lot. The Venusian event with Adamski was their doing.





The Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy (of two brothers).
RED - most likely Enlil
BLUE - most likely Enki (arriving at that conclusion because he is god of water).

One is the guardian of the North Pole and the other is the Guardian of the South Pole

When something enters the upper atmosphere from space doesn't it burn red?

Isn't ice that is very deep, look like a blue colour? So if Enki is under the ice of Antartica, when he rises it would look like a burning blue star?

Would the force of rising out of Antartica and the powers he brings make Earth spin Anti-clockwise as in the Hopi Prophecy?

Two separate clans who maintain the strength of the slave chains on this society's neck. But to who do they both answer to?

Your post triggered a memory in me, I remember reading something about pagan mythology, that when elements of fire and water mix, they create light.

I dunno why, but I'm immediately reminded of the 'Light Bringer'.

[Calz]

Thanks to all for keeping this fascinating and important thread rolling.

I have been overseas with limited net access so can only catch up once in awhile.

Great stuff everyone. :)

[Gustav]

Communists Red, Capitalists (or represented by the USA) mainly blue. That was the one that popped into my mind. But maybe that doesn't make a lot of sense. Anyway, I would like tothank all contributors because again there has been coming a huge amount of info that very little people had on their own. Thank you.

[Anno]

You forgot the two biggest: red vs blue... Political parties [...]

How did that happen lol? Maybe my brain has finally decided to filter them out for me. Maybe if enough of us do it, we can think them out of existence?

So does anyone know the origin of the Blue and Red paths/parties/sides/teams?

[oceanz]

You forgot the two biggest: red vs blue... Political parties [...]

How did that happen lol? Maybe my brain has finally decided to filter them out for me. Maybe if enough of us do it, we can think them out of existence?

So does anyone know the origin of the Blue and Red paths/parties/sides/teams?

No, but isn't Red suppose to represent anger and Blue depression.

[cloud9]

By the way, what happened to Andrew, the original poster?

[Calz]

By the way, what happened to Andrew, the original poster?

That was a cute bump ... I like it :bump2:

Life has a way of reorganizing priorities ... let us tip our hat for the OP :yo:

Let us also query m'lord if there are any more nuggets in this trail???

My sense is that this trail has not yet run dry.

[Anno]

No, but isn't Red suppose to represent anger and Blue depression.

The Blues, how apt for a Monday morning lol. There's Blue Blood too. Blue Moons. Boys in Blue. Generally I thought it represented Communication.

[jimbojp]

This fella here says blue and red represent time and space...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mPLKfmzbvg4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mPLKfmzbvg4
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21323-Saturn-How-deep-are-you-willing-to-go

"Saturn would trace the limits of the solar system.In fact he was the very principle of limitation.What saturns intervention introduced into creation was the potential for individual objects to exist-and therefore the transition from formless to form.In other words because of saturn, there is a law of identity in the universe by which something exists and is nothing else and neither is anything else it. Because of saturn an object occupies a certain space at a certain time and no other object can occupy that space, and neither can that object be in more than one place at any one time. In egyptian mythology saturn was Ptah who moulds the earth on a potters wheel, and in many mythologies saturns title is Rex Mundi, King of the world or Prince of the World, because of his control of our material lives."- The secret history of the world -Jonathan Black

Does saturn have anything to do with enlil/enki?

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/m/mLUcX_srFSCpQsTPe3cJgHg/140.jpg

[oceanz]

Red
power, passion, love, anger, death, leadership, dominance, Cupid, Satan, energy, war, fire, danger, sunset, blood, sacrafice, stimulant

Blue
importance, communication, understanding, sadness, truth, intelligence, faith, Virgin Mary, sky, confidence, knowledge, water, consciousness, heaven, calmness, light and friendly, helps you sleep, unity, peace


http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/colorselection/p/red.htm
Good blue
•True blue - someone loyal and faithful
•Out of the blue - unexpected (could be positive or negative)
•Blue ribbon - first rate, top prize
•Blueblood - person of noble birth, royalty
•Bluestocking - well-read or scholarly woman
•Bluebook - register of socially prominent people
•The Blues (capitalized) - popular style of music sometimes characterized by melancholy melodies and words
•Baby blues - Blue eyes (also see Bad blue words)

Bad blue
•Feeling blue - feeling sad or depressed
•Blue devils - feelings of depression
•The blues (not capitalized) - depression, state of sadness
•Blue Monday - feeling sad
•Baby blues - post-partum depression
•Singing the blues - bemoaning one's circumstances
•Blue laws - laws originally intended to enforce certain moral standards
•Blue language - profanity
•Bluenose - puritanical individual
•Into the blue - entering the unknown or escape to parts unknown
•Out of the blue - unexpected (could be positive or negative)

Good red
•Red letter day - important or significant occasion
•Red carpet treatment - make someone feel special, treat them as if they are a celebrity
•Roll out the red carpet - same as above
•Red sky in the morning, sailor's warning; red sky at night, sailor's delight - pay attention to good and bad warning signs
•Paint the town red - celebrate, go out partying
•Red eye - an overnight flight

Bad red•Seeing red - to be angry
•Red herring - something that deceives or distracts attention from the truth
•In the red - being overdrawn at the bank or losing money
•Red flag - denotes danger, warning, or an impending battle

[oceanz]

The meaning of gold is suppose to be that of illumination

The fiat paper currency use to be backed by gold, and the paper money has all the symbolisms on it and wasn't Enki/Enlil and the likes initially interested in gold?

[Anno]

Could the Red and Blue be something as simple as Mars and Venus? Or Mars and the planet that was destroyed that Tsarion said formed our seas. I think he called it Tiamat. I vaguely remember the story that someone pretended to be hidden there but they were really on Earth. It was mostly a water planet and when it got blown up it formed the asteroid belt and the water came here to Earth.

[Calz]

I have raised this twice in this thread before and will do so one last time as it has not been answered to ... addressed ... or otherwise.

Jay Weidner supported by Kerry suggests the Aryans are actually fleeing the planet (most already gone) to underground bunkers on Mars (allegedly safer with the solar events approaching than on earth).

This is not a fluff issue as M'lord suggests a battle brews between the factions.

Where is the "battle" to be fought???

There are more nuggets here and we need to flush them out.

Perhaps that should have it's own thread ... but I am issuing a "shout out" to m'lord (or a few others who imply they have knowledge of what is to come).

Those that have something to share ... let us all do what we can to nudge the nugget trail along.

Now is not the time to be "shy".

[oceanz]

Jay Weidner supported by Kerry suggests the Aryans are actually fleeing the planet (most already gone) to underground bunkers on Mars (allegedly safer with the solar events approaching than on earth).


Interesting concept Calz

Whilst posting in the cat people thread
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17675-Cat-People-a.k.a.-Feline-People-a.k.a.-Lion-People-a.k.a.-The-Felines&p=238981#post238981
I had this information:


Re: Cat People a.k.a. Feline People a.k.a. Lion People a.k.a. The Felines
I think the constellation Leo is 1,000 light-years away, whether this has a subtle reference to cat/feline people I'd have to research.

Edit:

http://www.thegreekgods.org/Leo_Cons..._Mythology.htm

The Egyptians believed in Leo and they worshiped the lion god because the lion beast had a lot of influence on their life. The Egyptians believed the world was created when the sun rose in Leo close to the star named Denebola. The Sumarians also believed this group of stars was that of a lion. The form is believed, by some, to have been passed on to the Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, and others.

Leo was known to the Persians as Ser, To the Turks he was known as Arten. He was known to the Syrians as Aryo, to the jews as Arye, and to the Babylonians as Aru. All of these names stand for lion, so it proves that there were many who acknowledged the constellation as a lion.

Leo the Lion is the nearest constellation to the Milky Way. The lion has been identified as having a connection to the sun since the earliest Mesopotamian civilizations.

Now, I'm not sure if its a spelling mistake but I'm sure I read whilst researching that the Turk name for Lion is Artan and not Arten. If it is Artan, then take out the "t" and subsitute it for "y" and you have Aryan.

The pictures I have come across of Enki/Enlil and the likes sort of look like cat/lion looking people.

[oceanz]

The meaning of gold is suppose to be that of illumination

The fiat paper currency use to be backed by gold, and the paper money has all the symbolisms on it and wasn't Enki/Enlil and the likes initially interested in gold?

More on gold (blood)...


http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r122604a.shtml

"The black magic rituals we know as Satanism are the modern expression of the rituals and human sacrifice in ancient Babylon and the Brotherhood infiltrated societies of the Sumerian, Phoenician, Hittite, Egyptian, Canaanite and Akkadian, peoples.
The Brotherhood know that blood contains the life-force energy. Drinking menstrual blood has always been a feature of the reptilian bloodlines because they need blood to live in this dimension. It was known as the Star Fire, the female lunar essence. The female menstrual cycle is governed by the cycles of the Moon and the blood contains that energy. Its ingredients are supposed to ensure a long life. In India it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia. This was said to be the nectar of the gods and it was the reptilian gods who are genetic blood drinkers. The 'holy grail' chalice or cup is also symbolic of the womb and ~ drinking menstrual blood, as well as being a symbol of the reptilian 'royal' bloodline itself.

Menstrual blood is one reason why the colour red is so important to Satanists and it is another reason for the constant use of the colour gold by the 'royal' bloodlines. Gold is called the metal of the gods, but to the Anunnaki of the Sumerian Tablets, menstrual blood was the 'gold of the gods'.

Reptilians had been pursuing the Aryan peoples around the universe, because the blood of the white race was particularly important to them for some reason and the blondhaired, blue-eyed genetic stream was the one they wanted more than any other. They had followed the white race to Mars, she said, and then came to Earth with them. It is far from impossible that the reptilian arrival on this planet in numbers was far more recent than even many researchers imagine. An interbreeding programme only a few thousand years ago between the reptilian Anunnaki and white Martian bloodlines already interbred with the reptilians on Mars, would have produced a very high reptilian genetic content. This is vital for the reasons I have explained earlier. They appear to need a particular ratio of reptilian genes before they can shape-shift in the way that they do. But when the interbreeding happened is far less important than the fact that it did happen.


http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r112299a.shtml

According to the Mothers of Darkness, the satanic cult based in Brussels who train and educate the MK child slaves as they are 'born to the blood' - the Aryan bloodline is Alien to this planet - they were a Race fleeing the Reptiles and got here 4000BC - then started mixing with the locals. Red hair, Blonde hair, blue eyes they may have been of great stature as recent excavations of the 8 foot tall Firbolg Knights in Eire suggest.

Then, the Reptilian species - who have according to Giza plain mathematics have come from the Serpens star cluster [serpens caput and serpens cauda both of 7 stars] arrived in 2000BC and as record would have it - infiltrated the Human race and its social structure and began the hybridisation experimentation. One of which was the foundation of the Merovingian Dynasty [born out of half man and half 'fish'].

There are 13 bloodlines from this kind of stock, and all of them have to a greater or lesser degree the capacity to play host to the Shape Changer Reptiles. The known shape shifting in human mythology goes back to North Africa, Tibet, Maya, Rome [called versae pellis effect].

The Reptile species is apparently on a loser because it had been brought into being in a very tenuous way.

Its mission is to bring its ancestors [thought of as daemons] out of an abyss from which they cannot escape [Cthulu mythos etc] and seek to open up a gate or portal Yog Sothoth to enable them to do so. For this, they need lots of pure aryans.

The occult ritual and ceremony [satanic/druidic etc] they perform on aryan sacrifices serves several purposes.

Because the Reptiles allegedly cannot call up their lost mates from the abyss, they need the magical/spiritual properties of the aryans to do the ceremony for them. They turn up - after ritual has been rigourously followed, and give their special team of shape changers in this dimension encouragement to carry on looking for the way to go with the escape of the 'demons' from their abyss. Various MK-slaves are there, some get eaten some get 'orgied' - flesh and blood is devoured especially that of the sacrifice - a female whose combination of blood; preferred menstrual [thats why satanic/druidic ritual goes with the full moon] - and with the secretion from the pineal gland stimulated by intense fear, the sacrifice drives the Reptiles wild with carnage.

The pineal gland or third eye in human terms is an alien piece of biochemistry in the human race - as any biochemistry text book will tell of its reptilian biochemistry - so it leads us to wonder whether or not the Aryan Race was a phase 2 hybrid created by the Shape Changing reptiles so that they could colonise this sector of the '3' dimensional cosmos.

Reptiles could do with a pineal gland - because they want its mystical powers, but it looks like they have been unable to integrate this organ into their own being - as it gives access to dimensions of incredible energy and spiritual purity that would be a bit off-putting to a species hell bent on slaughter. The Reptiles are trying to bring through the 'Old Ones' in fact as characterised by HP Lovecraft in 'the Dunwich Horror'.

So they were mining for gold ---> our blood was their gold...

[Anno]

I have raised this twice in this thread before and will do so one last time as it has not been answered to ... addressed ... or otherwise.

Jay Weidner supported by Kerry suggests the Aryans are actually fleeing the planet (most already gone) to underground bunkers on Mars (allegedly safer with the solar events approaching than on earth).

This is not a fluff issue as M'lord suggests a battle brews between the factions.

Where is the "battle" to be fought???

There are more nuggets here and we need to flush them out.

Perhaps that should have it's own thread ... but I am issuing a "shout out" to m'lord (or a few others who imply they have knowledge of what is to come).

Those that have something to share ... let us all do what we can to nudge the nugget trail along.

Now is not the time to be "shy".

Wasn't there mention a few pages back of the Vrill Nazis fleeing to the moon/mars? I recall stories about The Watchers type characters retreating up there during cataclysms, too. Perhaps this is related?

[bearcow]

The black magic rituals we know as Satanism are the modern expression of the rituals and human sacrifice in ancient Babylon and the Brotherhood infiltrated societies of the Sumerian, Phoenician, Hittite, Egyptian, Canaanite and Akkadian, peoples.
The Brotherhood know that blood contains the life-force energy. Drinking menstrual blood has always been a feature of the reptilian bloodlines because they need blood to live in this dimension. It was known as the Star Fire, the female lunar essence. The female menstrual cycle is governed by the cycles of the Moon and the blood contains that energy. Its ingredients are supposed to ensure a long life. In India it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia. This was said to be the nectar of the gods and it was the reptilian gods who are genetic blood drinkers. The 'holy grail' chalice or cup is also symbolic of the womb and ~ drinking menstrual blood, as well as being a symbol of the reptilian 'royal' bloodline itself.

Menstrual blood is one reason why the colour red is so important to Satanists and it is another reason for the constant use of the colour gold by the 'royal' bloodlines. Gold is called the metal of the gods, but to the Anunnaki of the Sumerian Tablets, menstrual blood was the 'gold of the gods'.


who ever wrote this is trying to tie loose ends together into a single concept, is just plain wrong. in fact, gold is the polar opposite of menstrual blood. gold is male, menstrual blood is, obviously female.

[Anno]

The black magic rituals we know as Satanism are the modern expression of the rituals and human sacrifice in ancient Babylon and the Brotherhood infiltrated societies of the Sumerian, Phoenician, Hittite, Egyptian, Canaanite and Akkadian, peoples.
The Brotherhood know that blood contains the life-force energy. Drinking menstrual blood has always been a feature of the reptilian bloodlines because they need blood to live in this dimension. It was known as the Star Fire, the female lunar essence. The female menstrual cycle is governed by the cycles of the Moon and the blood contains that energy. Its ingredients are supposed to ensure a long life. In India it was called soma and in Greece it was ambrosia. This was said to be the nectar of the gods and it was the reptilian gods who are genetic blood drinkers. The 'holy grail' chalice or cup is also symbolic of the womb and ~ drinking menstrual blood, as well as being a symbol of the reptilian 'royal' bloodline itself.

Menstrual blood is one reason why the colour red is so important to Satanists and it is another reason for the constant use of the colour gold by the 'royal' bloodlines. Gold is called the metal of the gods, but to the Anunnaki of the Sumerian Tablets, menstrual blood was the 'gold of the gods'.


who ever wrote this is trying to tie loose ends together into a single concept, is just plain wrong. in fact, gold is the polar opposite of menstrual blood. gold is male, menstrual blood is, obviously female.

To me it reads like a school essay done at the last minute by someone desperately searching wiki for info. If they still believe in 'Black Magic' then I doubt the veracity of anything else they say.

[jimbojp]

Thought this poem was interesting...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HqjGTNry0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8HqjGTNry0

[Calz]

Wonder if Kerry's video conf. regarding Elenin will add anything of interest to the topics in this thread with Farrell and Hoagland on board.


Dr. Joseph P. Farrell to join ELENIN video conf line-up!

We are proud to announce that Joseph Farrell, author of Giza Death Star and Camelot witness click here for our interview with him... His research compliments much of Hoagland's and adds to filling in the big picture regarding the nazis, secret space program and what is really going on here on Planet Earth. Also, see his recent comments regarding NASA's Bolden's statements to the NASA employees...

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[jimbojp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSq15VC5nc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBSq15VC5nc

[ghostrider]

my native american ancestors the cherokee, the wisdom keepers have a tale of being involved with the blue people. women were the leaders of the clans. small groups living in harmony. to marry a man must get the ok from the mother of the wifes clan. he then becomes part of her tribe. the blue people gave knowledge to the cherokee's hence they are called the wisdom keepers. got my family tree history, my great grandmother back five generations ago kept the decent white people from being scalped. she was an inkeeper and taught them to grow corn. strangely enough I'm in the inkeeper business. she has a monument built and a garden area in tennessee- nancy ward.

[Calz]

Going to copy this one over from another thread because of it's relevance here.

Some posts here in this thread tie in the aryan brothers with the hopi prophesy but I found this video and m'lord response quite compelling:




This is what they say about the Blue and Red Kachina




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y1GdKdNhY4

The two brothers.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder if their names are Enki and Enlil?

And they speak of a situation where the sun rises from the west, just like the qu'ran does.

The messages will be found in a drop of blood.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, look for the genetic code in the dna?

Many thanks for that video, I believe I am on the right path and many things come and point the way to me.

[jimbojp]

:p:crazy::o:(:cool:...........

[Andrew]

Found this link on J P Farrel's site

This is an old German UFA documentary of the German Antarctic Expedition of 1938 (http://vimeo.com/9950795)


http://vimeo.com/9950795

I found this 16mm old film at a antique shop in Denmark. When I watched it I was some what amazed. It seems to be a documentary of The German Antarctic Expedition 1938-1939.

On 17 December 1938 the New Swabia Expedition left Hamburg for Antarctica aboard the Schwabenland, a freighter capable of carrying and catapulting aircraft.

The expedition had 33 members plus the Schwabenland's crew of 24. In January 1939 the ship arrived in an area already claimed in 1938 by Norway as Dronning Maud Land.

There they found some massive underground caves and apparently they build a Nazi city-like bunker there.

[Calz]

Whoa ... nice catch andrew!!! :clap2:

That was remarkable!

Any avalonian speak German??? Even a rough translation would be helpful.

[ulli]

I'm going to translate it as soon as I'm well enough, although there are some technical terms in it I don't know.

[Calz]

I'm going to translate it as soon as I'm well enough, although there are some technical terms in it I don't know.

Thanks ulli :thank_you2:

To me ... this is one of the most fascinating threads ... at least from a historical basis.

It really causes one to reexamine what has happened in the last 70 (or several thousand) years with a new mindset.

[ulli]

Ok, I translated the text of the first of the two documentaries.

One point I would like to make: both films begin with a quote by Joseph Goebbels, and they show a major spelling mistake. This is so out of character with the general precision consciousness behind this work that for a moment I started doubting it's authenticity. The German word for freedom or liberty is Freiheit, yet here it is spelled Freitheit.
For such an error to go unnoticed is very unusual.
Anyway, here we go:

Documentary 1
Schwabenland.

Quote by Joseph Goebbels:
" our goal is the liberty of our people and of an empire of social justice and a happy future."
During the spring of 1938 Captain Alfred Ritscher was entrusted with the leadership of an expedition to the Antarctic by Foreign Minister Constantin von Neurath.
Within six months preparations for the expedition as well as the establishment of topographical knowledge for the German whaling fleet were accomplished.

Simultaneously a scientific program which consisted of biology, meteorology, oceanography, and earth magnetics was prepared with the intented exploration of the hertofore unknown interior, via flight missions from the coast.

Furthermore there was the plan of future aquisition of this sector which is why the preparation for the expedition was kept under strictest secrecy.
1:13 The designated area of the expedition lay between 20 degrees W and 20 degrees E.
At this point in time Siegfried Sauter belonged to the elect group of men who were on their way to unknown adventures to see things which no man had seen before.
(images at sea )
1:59 when the crew have to eat all hands are needed.
The evening meal was prepared with the freshest and finest vegetables and ingredients.
4:03. In total 11600 photographs were taken, half of them by Siegfried Sauter.
An area of 600,000 km2 was mapped.
On February 6th, 1939, the " Schwabenland" began her return journey to Germany.

[ulli]

Part 2 Documentary
Much of the text of this part was a repeat of part 1. Basically we see here the discovery of the area that was later to become the base as well as the plans for future buildings to be erected there, as well as architectural models.
One interesting piece of info
The "Schwabenland" was equipped with a catapult at the rear, to "send aircraft into the sky that weighed up to 10 tons".

1:03 during the autumn of 1938 the "Schwabenland" underwent a remake in the warfts of Hamburg, in preparation for it's mission to the Antarctic. A steam catapult at the rear of the freighter was capable of sending aircraft of up to 10 tons of total weight into the sky.
1:26 Neuschwabenland, so named after the expedition vessel, was mapped and measured.
1:33 Siegfried Sauter undertook one of the most important functions. As one of two photographers it was his job to record the antarctic landscape via photo and film.
This was done from an amphibian aircraft. There were mountain ranges of up to 4000 m altitude.
More than 11000 images were soldered into metal capsules and stored inside a bunker underneath the Hansa Luftbild Company building in Berlin.
2:26
The coastal islands of the Antarctic were reached on January 19th, 1939. Siegfried Sauter's impressions:
" when the first iceberg was sighted we all ran to the upper deck and shouted "wonderful". Later on the entire horizon was filled with them. It was overwhelming. Some of these icebergs were taller than 100m.
Images of caves, Wagner music.
3:43 on the same day the amphibian aircraft "Boreas" together with Schirmacher, Sauter, radio operator Erich Gruber, and mechanic Kurt Loesener undertook the first exploration flight.
3:55 it was to be determined whether the anchor location of the vessel was in the correct spot, as the aircraft would need an ice free area for landing before being hauled on board again by a crane.
3:59
This was not going to work at the first location and it was necessary to relocate further towards the south from which point the departure into the antarctic could begin the next day.
4:06. The first long distance flight was planned for the early morning hours of January 21st, given favourable weather conditions.
The aircraft was catapulted shortly after 5:30 am, at dawn.
Images
Penguins were named and designated as ambassadors, which was accepted with pride.
Repeat data text from docu1.
4:43
Once back on board the ship the planning for construction of a long term base began.
Base 211 was to become home for 5000 experts, administrators and selected civilians.
The final part consists of a variety of sketches, drawings, models, photos of existing buildings to provide ideas for the project.
More Wagner music.
The End.

[ulli]

I'm going to translate it as soon as I'm well enough, although there are some technical terms in it I don't know.

Thanks ulli :thank_you2:

To me ... this is one of the most fascinating threads ... at least from a historical basis.

It really causes one to reexamine what has happened in the last 70 (or several thousand) years with a new mindset.


Reexamining what has happened is not enough, I find. Reliving maybe, but in order to learn from it....why it all led to such a drastic situation of extremes.

While I was doing the translation of this little documentary just now, I could sense some of the NAZI spirit, of strength, of superiority, of comradeship, but in all it was all far removed from the refined spirituality that I normally sense.
Because the conquest of the three dimensional world requires so much energy that the exploration of inner states would become completely impossible.

[Calz]

I'm going to translate it as soon as I'm well enough, although there are some technical terms in it I don't know.

Thanks ulli :thank_you2:

To me ... this is one of the most fascinating threads ... at least from a historical basis.

It really causes one to reexamine what has happened in the last 70 (or several thousand) years with a new mindset.


Reexamining what has happened is not enough, I find. Reliving maybe, but in order to learn from it....why it all led to such a drastic situation of extremes.

While I was doing the translation of this little documentary just now, I could sense some of the NAZI spirit, of strength, of superiority, of comradeship, but in all it was all far removed from the refined spirituality that I normally sense.
Because the conquest of the three dimensional world requires so much energy that the exploration of inner states would become completely impossible.

Thanks for the translation and interpretation.

Well done!!! :)

[Anno]

I'm reading Himmler's Crusade by Christopher Hale at the moment and it ties in to all this. It turns out that the story we're sold about the Nazi's and WWII being about Hitler being mental and hating jews is just a big front. That has more to do with the Rothschilds wanting Israel.

It seems like it was more about Himmler and other occultist types finding the true origin of the white race and building a Lebensraum for the new white race to live in. They saw most of Europe as 'Germany'. The book itself is about the expeditions to Tibet to find the original source of the Aryans.

It's all in the background of the overt WWII story though and that makes looking in to it really difficult because if you so much as mention Nazis, let alone buy books on them, you get instantly tarred with the racist nutter brush.

[Calz]

I'm reading Himmler's Crusade by Christopher Hale at the moment and it ties in to all this. It turns out that the story we're sold about the Nazi's and WWII being about Hitler being mental and hating jews is just a big front. That has more to do with the Rothschilds wanting Israel.

It seems like it was more about Himmler and other occultist types finding the true origin of the white race and building a Lebensraum for the new white race to live in. They saw most of Europe as 'Germany'. The book itself is about the expeditions to Tibet to find the original source of the Aryans.

It's all in the background of the overt WWII story though and that makes looking in to it really difficult because if you so much as mention Nazis, let alone buy books on them, you get instantly tarred with the racist nutter brush.

Good example of the "victors" writing the "history books".

I knew about the nazi interest in the occult ... but this thread brought about many aspects that I was not aware of. No doubt it was available if searching beneath the propaganda but the stigmas attached have always been overwhelming.

[Anno]

Good example of the "victors" writing the "history books".
[...]

Ah well there's the interesting thing. I'm not so sure that the Nazi's lost the war. In that book he talks about reports from the Russian army saying that the Nazi's had some kind of advanced air exploding weaponry that was decimating the Russian armies and when they were about 60 miles from Moscow, Hitler sent them on a detour to the south for no known reason.

Added to the Paperclip data, I'm starting to think that the SS split from the main Nazi party and did a deal to get themselves moved to America where they could carry on in secret, allowing the official Nazi party and Hitler to get defeated and the Rothschilds to get Israel as a result. The SS then become the NSA, CIA, Nasa etc and carry on their research in South American and the Antarctic. It's at this point we see UFO's, Computers, Rockets etc coming in to being out of nowhere. And ofcourse, the Cold War starts because the Russians got some of the technology and scientists too.

[Calz]

Good example of the "victors" writing the "history books".
[...]

Ah well there's the interesting thing. I'm not so sure that the Nazi's lost the war. In that book he talks about reports from the Russian army saying that the Nazi's had some kind of advanced air exploding weaponry that was decimating the Russian armies and when they were about 60 miles from Moscow, Hitler sent them on a detour to the south for no known reason.

Added to the Paperclip data, I'm starting to think that the SS split from the main Nazi party and did a deal to get themselves moved to America where they could carry on in secret, allowing the official Nazi party and Hitler to get defeated and the Rothschilds to get Israel as a result. The SS then become the NSA, CIA, Nasa etc and carry on their research in South American and the Antarctic. It's at this point we see UFO's, Computers, Rockets etc coming in to being out of nowhere. And ofcourse, the Cold War starts because the Russians got some of the technology and scientists too.

No it would seem they certainly did not lose the war ... but that is the perceived history.

Not only did they carry on in silence in other parts of the world ... much of their technology and ideology was carried on in other countries with "operation paperclip" and the like.

[Unified Serenity]

In some of my studies, the subject of caucasians came up. It is possible per bible history that the 10 tribes who refused to follow God were given a divorce by God. They went into diaspera and many found their way North over the Caucus mountains and picked up the name caucasian. They were no longer part of the house of Israel and became known in history as the lost tribes. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It is interesting to note that as missionaries went forth into the world from Israel, that the nations who adopted the belief in Messiah / Christianity were most often white nations. So, are the predominantely white nations really the lost tribes of Israel? Is America the tribe of Menassah and Ephraim with it's great unwalled cities? One day we may find out. I am not saying the other nations are not part of God's plan, it jsst seems God was not ticked off with them as he was with the 10 tribes who refused to obey his commandments. If you think of the bible story of the creation of a special people through Adam and his children down to Abraham and the covenant made by God with him that ultimately led to the nation of Israel, then maybe White people were not native here, and were placed here for a reason. Maybe it's one accounting for their beginning. Maybe the white man were the Annunaki slaves who ultimately rebelled, but were given certain talents which they have continued to use to create the first world countries throughout the world. Maybe there is a natural animosity between the races due to this interferance. Maybe there is reason for distrust and it is felt on a cellular level that only spiritual evolution can overcome.

Maybe species just like themselves a lot and have a hard time accepting change and differences. I enjoy this topic and will keep reading other's responses.

[Calz]

Point of reference for those not yet aware ... our "master of nugget trails" M'lord has left the building ... at least for awhile.

From his profile:

"Lord Sidious - 13th June 2011 08:58
Ok, avalonuggets, Uncle Sidious is done here.
You can all take whatever shots you like, he won't be playing your games.
He might come back one day.
Farewell to you all and best to you and yours."

Those wishing to pay respects there is a "Lord Sid" thread as well as post a message to his profile page:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23184-Lord-Sid

We can all hope he will consider returning ... but in the meanwhile let us do what we can to carry on and see if we can uncover any other useful information related to the topics in this thread.

I was alerted to some interesting material and may be adding something in a day or two but need a little time to scope it out.

Be well Rob :laser:

[Wacko in pajamas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKvvsl37gbI

great post ... more like that XD

~Thanks~

[Andrew]

Ah well there's the interesting thing. I'm not so sure that the Nazi's lost the war. In that book he talks about reports from the Russian army saying that the Nazi's had some kind of advanced air exploding weaponry that was decimating the Russian armies and when they were about 60 miles from Moscow, Hitler sent them on a detour to the south for no known reason.

Added to the Paperclip data, I'm starting to think that the SS split from the main Nazi party and did a deal to get themselves moved to America where they could carry on in secret, allowing the official Nazi party and Hitler to get defeated and the Rothschilds to get Israel as a result. The SS then become the NSA, CIA, Nasa etc and carry on their research in South American and the Antarctic. It's at this point we see UFO's, Computers, Rockets etc coming in to being out of nowhere. And ofcourse, the Cold War starts because the Russians got some of the technology and scientists too.

Do you think that the people that got spread about with operation paperclip and the ones that went to Argentina and the Antarctic are still linked? Because I do not.

[Anno]

Do you think that the people that got spread about with operation paperclip and the ones that went to Argentina and the Antarctic are still linked? Because I do not.

Well it's pure speculation on my part but I think a more likely outcome would be a kind of sacrificing of none vital parts to save the core. At the very top of the SS, Himmler would have known who had the best and most important knowledge. It's important to understand that he was more interested in things like King Arthur and Esoteric knowledge than in weaponry.

I would imagine that he would allow the US and USSR to think that they got the best, when in reality they just got the more scientific physical things like Rocketry. The core knowledge, that of the Ancients, I would think he'd keep separate and hide away somewhere. They were very elitist. For example, one thing I read the other day (same book I mentioned) is that when you applied to join the SS you had to submit a photo with your application and the SS were obsessed with Anthropology, sending people all over the world with calipers and gypsum to measure and make masks of the different races. Elitist is an under-statement. Do I think a group like that would allow their elite to be spread about the place? No, not at all.

What do you think Andrew?

[Andrew]

Well it's pure speculation on my part but I think a more likely outcome would be a kind of sacrificing of none vital parts to save the core. At the very top of the SS, Himmler would have known who had the best and most important knowledge. It's important to understand that he was more interested in things like King Arthur and Esoteric knowledge than in weaponry.

I would imagine that he would allow the US and USSR to think that they got the best, when in reality they just got the more scientific physical things like Rocketry. The core knowledge, that of the Ancients, I would think he'd keep separate and hide away somewhere. They were very elitist. For example, one thing I read the other day (same book I mentioned) is that when you applied to join the SS you had to submit a photo with your application and the SS were obsessed with Anthropology, sending people all over the world with calipers and gypsum to measure and make masks of the different races. Elitist is an under-statement. Do I think a group like that would allow their elite to be spread about the place? No, not at all.

What do you think Andrew?

Well we have all heard the Allied side of the story of what happened during WW2, but what did the Reich want to achieve? what was there goal?
Lord Sid posted this on another thread, this man Prof. Roger Dommergue, this man defends Hitler?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=purWmOFl8qc&feature=related

Also Hitler wrote a book called Mein Kempf, I wonder if there is an English translation?
When watching the above documentary this was in the suggestions part, apparently a translation part of Mein Kempf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xblyxX9_4oE&feature=related

Is there any Jews in great places of power today?

[Anno]

Well we have all heard the Allied side of the story of what happened during WW2, but what did the Reich want to achieve? what was there goal?
Lord Sid posted this on another thread, this man Prof. Roger Dommergue, this man defends Hitler?

Also Hitler wrote a book called Mein Kempf, I wonder if there is an English translation?
When watching the above documentary this was in the suggestions part, apparently a translation part of Mein Kempf.

Is there any Jews in great places of power today?

I'm sure there are lots of Jews in positions of power, just as there are lots of Christians, Muslims, Athiests, Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists etc.

And here is an english translation of Mein Kampf http://www.greatwar.nl/books/meinkampf/meinkampf.pdf

I don't think Hitler was important. He's just like Bush or Blair or Obama. The people with the real power stay in the shadows and put people like Hitler out front to take the fall.

Edit: sorry, I forgot your first question. The goal of the Reich, as I understand it, was to re-establish Greater Germany which seems to be the old Celtic empire of western Europe, to purify what they saw as the German race (not the same as White, they didn't like the Slavs) and to establish a new wonderful empire of suitably nordic looking peoples.

[Calz]

Do you think that the people that got spread about with operation paperclip and the ones that went to Argentina and the Antarctic are still linked? Because I do not.

Agreed.

Whatever commonalities and kinship would surely have fallen away as time wore on.

Once seperated I expect the results of their research varied as well.

[Calz]

Do you think that the people that got spread about with operation paperclip and the ones that went to Argentina and the Antarctic are still linked? Because I do not.

Well it's pure speculation on my part but I think a more likely outcome would be a kind of sacrificing of none vital parts to save the core. At the very top of the SS, Himmler would have known who had the best and most important knowledge. It's important to understand that he was more interested in things like King Arthur and Esoteric knowledge than in weaponry.

I would imagine that he would allow the US and USSR to think that they got the best, when in reality they just got the more scientific physical things like Rocketry. The core knowledge, that of the Ancients, I would think he'd keep separate and hide away somewhere. They were very elitist. For example, one thing I read the other day (same book I mentioned) is that when you applied to join the SS you had to submit a photo with your application and the SS were obsessed with Anthropology, sending people all over the world with calipers and gypsum to measure and make masks of the different races. Elitist is an under-statement. Do I think a group like that would allow their elite to be spread about the place? No, not at all.

What do you think Andrew?

Clearly they would have had plenty of time to "see the handwriting on the wall" and protect their most precious assets.

[Calz]

Found this link on J P Farrel's site

This is an old German UFA documentary of the German Antarctic Expedition of 1938 (http://vimeo.com/9950795)


http://vimeo.com/9950795

I found this 16mm old film at a antique shop in Denmark. When I watched it I was some what amazed. It seems to be a documentary of The German Antarctic Expedition 1938-1939.

On 17 December 1938 the New Swabia Expedition left Hamburg for Antarctica aboard the Schwabenland, a freighter capable of carrying and catapulting aircraft.

The expedition had 33 members plus the Schwabenland's crew of 24. In January 1939 the ship arrived in an area already claimed in 1938 by Norway as Dronning Maud Land.

There they found some massive underground caves and apparently they build a Nazi city-like bunker there.

Here is some commentary from Joseph Farrell's site regarding the videos:


I (MAY) STAND CORRECTED! NEW VIDEOS OF THE GERMAN EXPEDITION TO ANTARCTICA, 1938-1939


As many of you who’ve read my books on the Nazi aspect of this big story know, I have long maintained serious doubts about the claims that during their 1938-1939 expedition to Antarctica they began the establishment of large bases there, and continued to do so during the war. My chief reason for opposition to this long-standing myth has been that operationally, it would have placed severe limitations on the German Kriegsmarine during the war. Additionally I have also maintained that the idea of a large research facility in Antarctica was also very dubious, since the advanced physics projects such as the Bell and so on would have required enormous electrical power, taxing those meager naval resources even more, for imagining shuttling by U-Boat from Germany the construction crews, technicians, and equipment to make all of it possible.

With that in mind, watch these(they’re about 12 minutes in length, total). I apologize as I have not had the time to translated the various title cards that appear in the newsreels, but here, the message is in the pictures anyway.

First, let me say that there is no question in my mind that we are looking at actual authentic UFA newsreels of the 1939-1939 Ritscher Expedition to the southern-most continent.

It is this that makes the comparison between the two films interesting, for in the second, shorter film, one is given the impression that the expedition was conducted by a U-Boat, when in fact, the first film gets that part of the story correct: the expedition was led by Captain Ritscher, and it was mounted from a large sea-plane tender ship. But what I find really really interesting in the second film are the images. One sees clear evidence that the Nazis found large caves there, exactly as has always been maintained by the “Nazi Antarctica Myth.”

But then the film shows some truly remarkable thins, and does so without commentary; after showing us various pictures of large caves in Antarctica, it then goes on to show blueprints for a large underground bunker or factory, and then its actual construction in Germany. It shows after this a picture of research facilities – again without commentary – with what appears to be two very large Van de Graf generators or Tesla coils (I forget which, at the moment). But the important point here is that it shows research facilities and electrical equipment.

All of this, of course, suggests that indeed the Nazis had plans for Antarctica, and that those plans exceeded those of using that continent merely as a U-Boat base.

The first film does not show or say anything else, but this is the clear impression that it gives. There is the usual statement by Reichsminister Goebbels at the beginning of the film, the endless music of Wagner playing in the background. The difference between these two films suggests that the first one may never have seen the theater, for it is very revealing; the second film contains little to none of the imagery of the first: no blueprints for underground factories, no construction of the same in Nazi Germany, no Tesla coils or Van de Graf generators, no hints of research facilities.

Whether or not the Nazis ever did succeed in the plans suggested by the first film is not, for the moment, here at issue, for the first film does in a way corroborate the persistent legend aboutr Nazi survival in Antarctica, and it is true that the size of the caves depicted in the film could easily shelter a fairly substantial number of people. Sustaining them would have been the problem.

We are left again, with a maybe of Nazi survival in Antarctica, a maybe that could, might, just slimly support the idea of some sort of research facility, though that maybe just now grew a lot stronger.


http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/05/i-may-stand-corrected-new-videos-of-the-german-expedition-to-antarctica-1938-1939/

[Ade]

There are more differences within a so called 'race' than between 'races'. I think it was Franz Fannon who said " the black man is not, any more than the white man." I am european, but I tan easily and deeply, does that mean I'm a part time Asian?:confused:

[Anno]

Clearly they would have had plenty of time to "see the handwriting on the wall" and protect their most precious assets.

Most definitely. They had spies all over the place and used Astrology/Numerology. I'm in the UK and in school I hated History because it was all about WWI WWII and 1920's America. I liked much older history. What we were taught was something any Brit can quote you. Gravillo Princip of the Black Hand shot ArchDuke Franz Ferdinand which kicked off WWI. Hitler rose to power and was pissed off about not winning WWI so he invaded the Rhineland to test the reserve of the Brits. We went down the dead end of appeasement and showed weakness and WWII started. That's essentially what we get taught. Then it moves on to Nazis are evil dumbasses and lots of Jews died.
After that we have a collective conditioning that anyone who mentions Nazis is an ignorant racist bigot who should be avoided at all costs. So it's not something your average Brit would choose to look in to.

It's only because I'm reading this book about the expeditions to Tibet that I'm starting to see things that don't tally up with that explanation of history. I'll pull some quotes out of it later on and post them in here.


There are more differences within a so called 'race' than between 'races'. I think it was Franz Fannon who said " the black man is not, any more than the white man." I am european, but I tan easily and deeply, does that mean I'm a part time Asian?:confused:

Hi Ade, as far as I know, white people are Asian. Hence, CaucAsian. This isn't about race though and every time this conversation comes up, it gets turned into a race debate which always ends up in flaming and stupidity. There must be a reason for that. Those that look in to it do see that there is a topic we're being prevented from broaching as the Racist Hammer hovers above waiting for some well meaning person to invoke it. Ultimately, we are talking about the physical world where race exists but we haven't forgotten that underneath it all is the world of spirit where all are one.

If you haven't already, please read the whole thread. There's some awesome information in here. Infact, I'm going to re-read it today. =]

[Andrew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWN2QwsDLhk&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUI0UmLJg9A

[Calz]

Okay avalon nuggets (*shiver* ... I sure miss Rob) :cry:

Here is text from Jay Weidner regarding the Aryans.

He has two interviews on Veritas (the older one May 28th 2010 is the one he goes more into this sort of topics).


Disclosure: Aryans, Mars and the End of Days

An interview with Jay Weidner
Part 2

Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.

Lance: O.K. Good, good.

Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

But this group apparently knows all of the knowledge of the past, maybe as far back as several hundred thousand years. And they live here, on Earth; and they have lived here for a long time. But they've lived separately; until about 6, 000 years ago, they lived separately from us - some place on Earth, in a very nice place.

But, about 6, 000 years ago, the first of many alarms went off. And these alarms have to do with the advance of what we call the end of the Kali Yuga.

Now, the beginning of the Kali Yuga was right near the beginning of the Mayan calendar, 3114 B.C. And it was the beginning of cities and writing and kingships and slavery and women as chattel and animal husbandry and farming and wars and walled cities and writing and science.

And all those things actually began at the beginning of the Kali Yuga - not because we were getting better, but because we were getting worse.

But not only because we were getting worse but because there was something going on: the reason those things came into being is because this group - that are human, but are different - went into action, because the beginning of the Kali Yuga, 6, 000 years ago, the beginning of the Mayan calendar, was a signal.

A signal in a very long, long, long calendar - not 6, 000 years, but like 60, 000 years. And it said that the end of this age was going to come to an end, and the prophecy said that the sun would explode into gigantic solar flares, which would fry everything on Earth and cause huge Earth changes here on the planet.

And this group knew all of this, because they had been through it before and they kept accurate records. So they went into action; and they took a lovely planet, filled with tribes of hunter-gatherers, and they transformed it into civilization.

And they transformed it into civilization so that they could get out of here before the coronal-mass ejections hit. And that is what has been going on for over 5, 000, almost 6, 000, years.

It is a central organizing principle, decided and governed by a group that we don't even know who they really are, for purposes which until recently have remained completely hidden and secret.

And, they promised the managers that they're leaving behind, that they can have the underground shelters and everything; but I don't think that that's really going to help, because I just can't see how that could survive what is foretold.

And the secret space program and all of these things - flying saucers, and bases on the moon, and the Nazis and Joseph Farrell's great book on the alchemy that the Nazis were doing - this is all part of this group developing the technology for what I call "Project GOOD", which stands for "Get Out Of Dodge". And they're getting' out of Dodge, baby; and they're almost out.

And, if you follow the work of Ed Grimsley - I don't know if you know who he is. He has these night-vision goggles, and he goes out at night and he videotapes these craft that you can't see with your eyes. You can type him in on Google. On YouTube, they've got a few astounding videos that he's taken of the gigantic craft.

And that's the story. And I figure I might as well get it out now, because you never know when it's going to be too late.

Lance: Absolutely. Now, of course, some people attach names to these unknowns. And I have read some accounts that these are some kind of Anunnaki/Atlantean lines, and then of course you have some kind of illuminati bloodlines flowing in there. But nobody really seems to know who they are, except that they're not -

Jay: Well, yeah, actually, we do. Yeah, well, they are the - Anunnaki is one of the words that they have. The Nephilim is another that they have.

These are words created by different cultures - the Hebrews, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Persians - to describe these people. OK? But their real name is very easy, because it describes where they go when they get out of Dodge. They're called the Aryans.

"Aryans" is just another word for "Martians", because Aries is Mars. They escape - at the end of the last Kali Yuga - I think, at the end of every Kali Yuga - the same cycle occurs every time; it may even be why there is a Kali Yuga.

They come to Earth after the Earth is healed from the gigantic coronal-mass ejections which occur; and they come back in their ships, and they repopulate the Earth. They may even take genetic strains with them, which is what the genome project is; they may take all the seeds with them, which is what the seed project is.

And they take it there; and they bury themselves under, because Mars is a pretty inhospitable place; and they wait for the Earth to recover. And they came back 60, 000 years ago, and they thought that the Earth had pretty much been wiped out. But a few groups had survived.

Native Americans had survived, by being in caves; and they tell those stories, about how hot - it was so hot that you stuck a stick out the cave opening and it lit on fire. The Chinese survived - somebody - one of those Asian groups must have survived, obviously. And some of the African survived.

So, when the Aryans landed, they kept to themselves. But they did have ships, and they went around; and they had an order that they couldn't have any sex with the remnants that were left behind. They could help them, teach them how to read and write and how to farm and all these other things; but they couldn't have sex with them.

But those Earth women and the way they move: they just couldn't resist.

So these are humans, but they went to Mars for a long time; and they lost the pigment in their skin, they lost the color in their hair, their eyes turned blue or green or hazel. They were tremendously big, because of the low gravity on Mars, when they landed here. Very advanced, super advanced - and they've been here for a very, very long time.

And they're leaving. They're going. They're leaving now. There are colonies - I know this sounds completely out of my mind, but I have proof for all this. There's colonies up on Mars; just type in "Hale Crater civilization" on Google, and read Skipper's work - Joseph Skipper's great work on the colony there, up in Hale Crater.

This is what's going on. This is the long and short of it. And, yeah, they live here; they actually lived once in Norway. That's where they lived, because they liked the coolness; they couldn't get used to the heat. And that spiral that exploded over Norway when Barack Obama was going to get his Peace Prize in Norway - yeah, well, that's their weaponry.

Here's the problem Obama faces. OK? These guys are leaving. They're getting out of here because they think that the coronal-mass ejections are coming. Alright? They're leaving, and they don't care who runs the United States anymore. They did up until last year. Now they don't care anymore.

And so Obama's7 sitting here, and he's got the remnants of their technology. He's got the stuff sitting around; right? And they're probably busily back-engineering the Aryan technologies; OK? And this is what's going on in Argentina and Chile, where they're raiding the tunnel systems.

This is the new world order; these are the managers that have been left behind. The new world order is not the Aryans; the new world order are the Aryans' left-behind managers.

Lance: Right; that would make sense.

Jay: Yeah. The Aryans think of themselves as the 'People of the Red', or 'the People from the Red Planet'. And, when Bauer changed his name to "Rothschild", which means "red shield", he was really signifying that he was the shield for this thing, this project, which moved into high gear at the beginning of the industrial age.

And everyone's thinking that they're deforesting the planet, raping the mountainsides, enslaving people, doing all this stuff, just because there's something that has gone out of control; but it isn't.

It's all the underpinnings of a huge, secret project to develop, quickly, colonies and ships and moving gigantic amounts of goods and services across the gap between here and Mars.

And that's the truth right there.

And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.

Lance: Oh yes, that's right. You briefly touched upon that the last time, I think.

Jay: Yes, this is all ancient texts, and these texts were from the Aryans and they told their story.

Lance: If they had the ability to go back and forth to Mars and further, I'm sure, isn't coronal mass ejection going to destroy Mars as well?

Jay: No, because they're going underground. First off, it will hit Mars but it won't be anything like what happens here.

Secondly, the problem with the coronal mass ejection - which I have to say, the film "2012" did a pretty good job of evoking - is that it is a huge electromagnetic blast which has a commensurate effect on the core of the Earth, which is heavily electromagnetic. So it causes a core flip.

OK, here's how it works. The poles of the sun rotate every 37 days. The equator of the sun would also rotate every 37 days, except that the angular momentum of the planets at the equator of the Solar System causes it to slow down, so it only rotates every 26 days, instead of 37.

Every 87 days, there is a crossing over of the magnetic field, as the 26 catches up to the 37 again. You follow me?

Every 87 days, there's a small electromagnetic crossing, which encases the sun in a tightly woven electromagnetic shell. After about 12-13, 000 years of this nonsense, the entire sun is bound in a huge receding-quickly magnetic field, which has a commensurate effect on the Earth's electromagnetic field, which also begins receding.

This is all happening right now with the loss of the sun spots and the Earth's magnetic field receding. It's a 13, 000 year cycle that we are right on the edge of and when the sun finally has to right itself, i.e., move its rotational fields back into sync again, which it has to do, there will be a huge electromagnetic storm which will go out way beyond the Earth.

It will be carrying with it gigantic coronal mass ejections, which will ignite the forests of the Earth and boil the oceans.

If you're underground, on Mars, well you have a pretty good chance of making it. There's no electromagnetic fields on Mars. There's no tectonic plates. Nothing's going to be spinning around and you just wait it out.

You just wait it out and maybe after a few hundred years, I don't know how long, when the forests grow back and the animal life comes back, then you mount your expeditions and you go back.

So we're building not only the expeditions that are going there, but we've been building for the last three hundred years the expeditions that are going to take them back here, too. Yeah, that's what's going on.

It recurs all the time. The Vedic texts and the Mahabharata, this is what they're discussing, including the gigantic ships, or arks, as they call them.

I want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying white people are Aryans. I'm saying that white people are the bastard children of Aryans and Earth people. You understand? They do not look like us at all. They're chalk-white. They're freakish-looking.

They're where the vampire myths come from because they can only come to the surface of the Earth at night. Their skin is so translucent that you can see the capillary system, so they look blue in certain kinds of light.

Lance: You know, there was a movie that was a remake of "War of the Worlds" and I thought to myself, "Well isn't this strange, for them to make this kind of movie where they're already underground, and those laser beams." Very prescient.

Jay: Spielberg has to know. When I saw that, I just went, "My God, he has to know." He has to know that they've been here the whole time and they are underground. That's exactly where they are.

And by the way, these other things that we see - and I'm not saying there are not other aliens, there could be; I'm not even going to argue that - but some of the other things that we've been seeing are their robotic creations.

They've been here, these robotic creations, for a long time. I don't know if they're robotic or genetic, I can't tell. Sometimes they're robotic, sometimes they're genetic.

Here's the thing Obama has to ask himself. He knows that these guys are leaving. He knows there's a disaster coming of some kind. They shoot a hyper-dimensional weapon over Norway while he's picking up the Peace prize and everybody's screaming and yelling, "Why does Obama get the Peace Prize, he hasn't done a damn thing."

I'm going to tell you why Obama gets the Peace Prize. He gets the Peace Prize if he doesn't shoot at them while they're leaving. Here's the problem that he faces, though, and this is a serious problem.

You're the Aryans and you're back on Mars waiting for the coronal mass ejection. You got the hatches buttoned down, everything, right? What is to prevent the elites that you've left behind from back-engineering the craft, that you've left behind - the ship - and coming after you and stealing your place? I know that sounds crazy -

Lance: No, to me it doesn't.

Jay: - and I'll tell you what. He's worried that they're going to attack us, and that's what that thing in Norway was about. These people are saying that these are benevolent aliens and stuff. You haven't read your history. The Aryans stormed down, they enslaved all of India, they created the caste system.

Lance: Every war has been created indirectly by this influence, hasn't it?

Jay: Absolutely. If you read Andrew Collins' book "From the Ashes of Angels," it's a great book. He talks about the history of these babies, these magical babies that are born after the Aryans and Earth women have had sex.. These babies are white and they have white hair and chalk-white skin, and some tribes were fearful of these children and they killed them.

But other tribes thought that these children were exalted beings and they raised them up into exaltedness in the tribe. These beings frequently had red hair; red hair because of the overabundance of iron oxide in the air on Mars causing red hair.

So they exalted these beings and these were the European tribes who exalted these beings. Read his books, they're very interesting.

Lance: I will, I'll check that out for sure.

Jay: On the other hand Africans have a history of killing albino children right when they're born. I don't know if you know that. They're considered wicked.

Tthey think that these children, the offspring of the Aryans, were wicked or there was something bad about them. This is a long tradition where they would get rid of these angel-demon children.

So the Aryan influences are more prevalent among the European-stock cultures and so they became the vehicles of the real Aryans, which have nothing to do with white people at all, actually, except for leaving behind some genetic trace..

And so that's what's been going on. Skull and Bones is part of this group. Michael Tsarian has traced a lot of these German groups back. The German groups are the key. Once you start back engineering the German groups, you can find everything.

The Saturnian Society, Aleister Crowley, all of the UFO stuff from South America. All this stuff is all intertwined into a cohesive story that makes total sense and gets rid of a lot of the gobbledygook.

But it's backed up and bolstered by very, very serious ancient texts, Purana texts and Vedic texts, which tell the whole story very clearly.

Lance: Huh! Well, how does that tie into the idea that there are different ages? In other words, do we ever get out from under the prison bars of some kind of highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization that controls us without our knowing? Isn't there supposed to be a Golden Age after the Iron Age?

Jay: Well, it is, and here's the thing. This is really the crux of the matter. What happens is is that through the long cycle of the Yugas, which is really called a Kulpa - which is all of the cycles together - there are so many deaths.

And as you approach the Bronze Age and the Kali Yuga, there are more and more deaths of violent nature.

And it takes thousands and thousands of years for bones to completely vanish. The Earth becomes haunted by an inescapable presence - called the 'Ka' in Egypt, which is a residual that's left behind. And the only way that you can have a Golden Age is for all of the Ka to be burned away so that the Earth is completely renewed.

And unfortunately these guys, these Aryans, broke the rules. They didn't want to die in the last catastrophe, which they had to do. That was part of the deal. The Earth can only be renewed if all of the Ka goes. And they escaped, and they went away.

And they kept all of the knowledge that had been gathered from the previous Kulpa, which we were also supposed to lose.

The only way for the Golden Age to actually incarnate is for the earth start out in a pristine state again. And they broke the rules.

And this is why Tsarion's work is so good because these guys broke the rules, and now we're just their slaves. Now racism has come into it. Whereas before there was no racism. Now there's racism. The Aryans think that the Earth peoples are too stupid, that the Earth peoples are too dumb.

And it's not dumb or stupid. They never had the advanced technology carried over from the Dark Age. . And this is the problem. So there has to be a cleansing of the earth so that it can be renewed. And they're not allowing that to happen.

And they keep bringing back the same genetic strains over and over when actually the Earth is constantly rolling the dice and searching for new genetic strains that it can use to embrace consciousness. The Aryans keep bringing back all the old genetic structures. Did you know that corn is a hybrid?

Lance: Yeah.

Jay: Corn is a hybrid. When they discovered corn, even to this day, it is a hybrid. Somebody had to have messed with it a long time ago.

Lance: Now it's all genetically modified.

Jay: Well, it is. And again you have to ask yourself why that's being allowed and why all the forests are being cut down and why...

Lance: Well, when what are the chemtrails and HARP?

Jay: Yeah. Those are to keep us away from seeing what is going on behind our backs, which is a giant evacuation. And they don't care about us anymore.

Lance: Wow! It seems like there ought to be some kind of higher authority that - let's just call it The Cosmic Patrol - that oversees what's fair and what's not fair. In other words, aren't there some kinds of higher more advanced ETs or civilizations or angelic realms or whatever that can put things straight?

Jay: We know as much as we know, and that's all we know. The Vedic texts say that the divas, which have been destroyed through this current Kali Yuga according to the text, have gone back to the Godhead.

They left thousands of years ago to travel back to the Godhead to tell the Godhead that the evil Archons, who are the Aryans, by the way, have taken over the entire planet and that they needed help because the divas have been driven off the planet. The divas, of course, are the nature spirits.

And as Tolkien shows us very clearly in the Lord of the Rings, Sauron and Sauraman are destroying nature to fuel and finance some mysterious project. And if you go back and look and see in history who Sauron is, it's obvious that Tolkien talking about Sargon. Sargon was the first real king of the Kali Yuga in Mesopotamia.

He started calendars. He started clocks. He started the workday. He started everything, and he was an Aryan. And so you can see that there's this regimented thing that starts entering in and removes us from the natural state of a highly advanced hunter/gatherer, which is really what human beings are.

And that's our natural state - very close to the Earth, no agriculture, all fresh foods, a lot of hunting, and a lot of gathering. Very spiritual though. Not a grunting life, but a wonderful beautiful life filled with meditation and a much higher standard of living, which was what was going on before the Aryans emerged.

Lance: Wow! Now is there any connection between the Aryans and then the German Aryans that were involved with one of the World Wars?

Jay: Yeah, absolutely. In fact, all of the German Nazis were obsessed with the lore of a people that lived under the earth. And Hitler even told people that he had met the new man, i.e. the Aryan, that "He is terrible," he said. And this is where they received all of their technology, the Bell technology, which is the spinning mercury which powered the UFOs.

They received all of that stuff from the Aryans. They had contacted them and told them what to do, where to go.

And that's how the Nazis from 1930 to 1945 did the most astonishing advances ever in human history. They invented the laser, the UFOs. They invented radar, television. So many things that it's ridiculous.

No group of people could ever do that, but they did it. And by the way, this was all being financed by the Rothschild and the Rockefellers including George Bush's grandfather.

Lance: That's right. That's right.

Jay: That's right, and it's all coming out of Skull and Bones. And Skull and Bones has a number - a secret number that no one knows what it means - and the number is 322. Yeah, well, 322 - it's quite obvious. It's the first day of Aries. Aries is Mars. Mars is March. March is the only month that's named after a planet, and all alchemy begins in Aries.

Lance: Wow.

Jay: So these are the alchemists, these are the high magicians. These are the Great White Brotherhood.. According to the Tibetans they lived in an underground city named Shambala underneath the Himalayas, and they are chalk white..

Lance: And then of course we know - this is common knowledge - that we brought over all the Nazi scientists up through operation Paperclip.

Jay: We certainly did.

Lance: ... Paperclip and installed them in high positions, including I think the top of NASA.

Jay: Well absolutely they did, and Werner Van Braun told Carol Rosin, his paramour, right near his death he said "You'll see; you'll see: in the end, they'll say all of this was caused by the aliens", and he started laughing.

Lance: Wow.

Jay: And listen, though: there's more than just that. It's been pretty much proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the entire bottom third of South America was given over to the Nazis at the end of World War II. And that was their country; and they owned both sides, Chile and Argentina.

And they ran - and Pinochet was their puppet, and so was Peron.

And, if you ever got close to anything that they were doing in the mountains, you were 'disappeared'. In Argentina, thousands and thousands of people were 'disappeared'. Hikers would get near these Nazi facilities where they were building these huge craft, and they would disappear.

And, if you look at Jacques Vallee's work on U.F.O. sightings and where they are and how many there have been and all of that - he did copious work for 30 years - you'll find that 75 percent of U.F.O. sightings are in the bottom third of South America.

You can type in "Santiago, Chile, December 2008" and watch the YouTube video of about 40 craft flying over Santiago. I think you can almost see them waving out the windows: "See you later, suckers!"

Lance: Wow. Well, what in the heck are we going to do about all this? What can be done?

Jay: Well, you know, here's the thing: we don't know. And I'm not saying there is going to be this thing, because these people could be as wacky as they come. I think actually their numbers are - here's the thing.

Their original number was 2442; that was when they said that the end of the Kali Yuga was coming, according to these ancient texts. And I think that they found out, by deciphering the long-count calendar in the late 1880s, that there may be a chance that it isn't 2442 but it's 2012 -

And so they hit the pedal to the metal and created the 20th century and got out of Dodge and they're up there, but there may still be 400 years left.

Lance: Oh.

Jay: Yeah. I mean their number system definitely says "2442". And it's a big mystery that we're all trying to uncover and figure out.

The entire number system that these people use - have been using since they arrived here - is a higher-dimensional, or hyper-dimensional, number system. There are many places on Earth that use their numerical system, this hyper-dimensional numerical system; but the three places on Earth that have it the most are Giza - the Great Pyramid of Giza - Stonehenge, and the U.S. Capitol.

I'm talking about knowledge that no-one knows about, that would have been almost - one would think - nearly impossible for the guys that built the U.S. Capitol to know, yet they did.

Lance: Dan Brown just came out with another one of his thrillers about the U.S. Capitol.

Jay: Yeah. Well, when "The Sacred Geometry of Time" comes out, by Robert Lawlor, it'll put Dan Brown and the rest of them right in their place.

Lance: Well, of course; they're thriller writers, not esoteric scholars by any means.

Jay: No; Dan Brown's an apologist for the Freemasons. His books are all an apology for the Freemasons. Ronnie Howard, who made "Angels and Demons" and the other book, "The Da Vinci Code", based on his book - he is a also a top Freemason.

And so they have their agenda, and their agenda is to get out of Dodge and leave us all here; and that's the truth of it.

A lot of people are doing things. Patrick Geryls going to someplace in Africa where there are deep caves. I'm heading to Peru. There are people that are doing things. There are things you can do.

Lance: What about building a boat?

Jay: Well, it will work. The problem - if you can get past that initial coronal-mass ejection and the resultant tidal waves and expected 400-mile-an-hour winds. You know, my buddy Clif High is building a boat; I know that, and it's a pretty cool boat. I'm thinking about buying one just in case.

Lance: I just read his article on that. My jaw dropped. It was almost like reading your articles. It was chock full of hidden meaning and - at least that's what I got out of it. You can take it on a literal level, of course. But there's a lot more there than meets the eye, I think.

Jay: Yeah.

Lance: And he's going to be coming back on the show soon, I hope.

Jay: Well, there's a strange thing going on. But there's a certain percentage of people that get it and they really don't even need to discuss it anymore. If you don't see it, that's your problem. We're taking care of business.

Lance: Right.

Jay: He's building a boat; I'm heading to South America.

Lance: I'm probably going to stay right here. I have no desire to - for whatever reason, I've been stationed here. And so -

Jay: There's not a whole lot you can do.

Lance: There really isn't.

Jay: It's a matter of luck, even in a boat.

Lance: Yeah; yeah. And, with my resources, I wouldn't get further than leaving California, probably. But I do know the military's building underground bases as fast as you can flip pancakes, at IHOP.

Jay: They certainly are.

Lance: So they're just scurrying around; but that's not going to help any either.

Jay: Well, I think that the air would get sucked out of them, and then you've got the crust moving around - I don't know. I wouldn't think it's a good idea.

Lance: I wouldn't - it doesn't appeal to me.

Jay: I'm actually glad the Aryans are leaving, and I hope we get a 400-year reprieve - it may be longer. I think they've been a terrible influence on the planet, and they've left a wrecked planet behind.

Lance: Terrible.

Jay: And we've got to pick their mess up. So I don't really appreciate - and I hope we do take a few potshots at them as they're scooting out of dodge, frankly.

Obama's got a terrible mess to handle. I don't pity a politician; but, at the same time, boy, I tell you, I wouldn't want to be in his position ow.

Lance: Well, there's been a lot of talk about disclosure happening very soon, that's supposed to happen on the television, that fits the timing and schedule and everything.

Jay: Yeah. I'll tell you when disclosure happens: it happens just about the last hour. That's the disclosure.

And David Wilcocks going out of his way to say there's going to be a disclosure and he thinks that there's going to be these aliens landing and everything - I'm sorry, I love David, he's a great guy; but, no, it isn't going to happen.

The Disclosure is that they're leaving. And the people in the know, and people like Clif High, and a lot of other people who already know all this - they know what's going on. You can look at it on the Web. You can see it through Ed Grimsley's glasses, going through the night sky. We know what's going on.

Gary McKinnon is being extradited to the U.S. for cracking in to the Pentagon's network. He says there's a secret space program with gigantic ships and hundreds of thousands of personnel. Probably most of the missing people of the last 30 or 40 years.

Lance: Would you mention your websites again?

Jay: Yeah. www.sacredmysteries.com has all my videos, including the new "Infinity: The Ultimate Trip", and "Journey beyond Death", my new film. And www.jayweidner.com has all my high-weirdness articles. So just go there, or just type in "Jay Weidner" on Google, and look at all the nice things that people say, and the nasty things that people say about me.

Lance: Ah, I can't believe that anybody would say anything nasty about you, Jay.

You're a terrific guy, and I love having you on the show, and you'll have to come back again soon; OK?

Jay: My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

Lance: Alright. And be sure and go check out his articles and his website, because, I'm telling you, it's mind-blowing. Alright; thanks a lot, Jay. And good night, everybody.


http://www.jayweidner.com/Disclosure2.html

[DoubleHelix]

I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

What's this guys track record like ?

[Calz]

I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

What's this guys track record like ?

A lot of good information.

He goes *way* down the rabbit hole and those that do so are hard to verify.

For what it is worth ... Kerry did a radio interview with him as well (but last I checked the link doesn't work) and she was in agreement with most all he said.

*** adding ***

btw - I don't agree with the norway spiral assessment either but am not one to throw out the baby with the bath water.

I have one book and several of his dvds. Does good work regarding the Gnostics and some of the hollywood movie "interpretations".

[Andrew]

I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

What's this guys track record like ?

I agree more like dis-info

Check this, more of a trail here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjCEfTMMmU8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

[Calz]

Farrell is outstanding.

Thanks for sharing that. He used to keep himself distant while writing his books but good to see him take a much more active and open path of communication with the public.

Will give it a listen.

[DoubleHelix]

As of late I've been getting heavily involved with the Atlantis subject, which has lead me to Sitchen and others who speak of the Annunaki.
I'm some what familiar with the loose facts, but my god is it a deep rabbit hole.

two correlations that stand out for me - Human genome recently proved to date back 200,000 years, and all religious texts seem to be offshoots of the original Annunaki tablets.

EDIT: Andrew, great video with Hancock & Bauval - good to see them together!

[Calz]

As of late I've been getting heavily involved with the Atlantis subject, which has lead me to Sitchen and others who speak of the Annunaki.
I'm some what familiar with the loose facts, but my god is it a deep rabbit hole.

two correlations that stand out for me - Human genome recently proved to date back 200,000 years, and all religious texts seem to be offshoots of the original Annunaki tablets.

I accepted Sitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.

[DoubleHelix]

I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.

Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.

[thunder24]

http://halexandria.org/dward178.htm

http://halexandria.org/dward722.htm
http://halexandria.org/dward723.htm

Here so stuff on sumerian tablets for you Double Helix. just remember you gotta find the gold amongst the ore.

peace

[davyj0nes]

Here is text from Jay Weidner regarding the Aryans.
He has two interviews on Veritas (the older one May 28th 2010 is the one he goes more into this sort of topics).
Disclosure: Aryans, Mars and the End of Days
An interview with Jay Weidner
Part 2

Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.
Lance: O.K. Good, good.
Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

there it is, the story right there... wow, just crazy. its whats we've been trying to piece together. So then, there is nothing left to do except wait to die. when the CME hits, this civilization is over. the underground 'arks' that they're building, if any survive, will have the monumental task of rebuilding civilization. a truly sad day.

[Calz]

I enjoyed it up until the Norway spiral bit, Alarm bells ringing, Intuition tells me disinfo'

What's this guys track record like ?

I agree more like dis-info

Check this, more of a trail here


I don't believe this is deliberate dis-info.

Joseph Farrell's work stays with as much verifiable data as is available whereas Jay Weidner's theory on the Aryans is taken from ancient texts.

I will do some research and try to get some confirmation from other sources and get back within the next day or two as time permits.


As a side note this from Farrell's site on Jay Weidner:


STANLEY KUBRICK’S 2001 SPACE ODYSSEY: MESSAGES?

March 1, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell


My friend Jay Weidner wrote an excellent “alchemical” analysis of Kubrick’s classic film adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke’s “2001: A Space Odyssey” here, and, though long, it is an article well worth reading (because for one thing, it forms the backdrop for my comment below):

Alchemical Kubrick

All done? OK. Now ponder the following image of the satellite from the beginning of the movie, sent to me by a friend.

(snipped photo)

Assuming the picture has not been photo-shopped, is Kubrick sending more messages here? Notice anything peculiar about that spacecraft? Look closely again. There is a clear depiction of the then West German flag, and boldly emblazoned on the side of the craft is an Iron Cross, symbol of the (West) German military, the Bundeswehr. I could accept the occurrence of only one of these symbols as some sort of “production accident” but two seems to me to be pushing the boundaries of coincidence.

The question is, is Kubrick sending messages here? Or is it just a typical Hollywood way of trying to “internationalize outer space” in a brotherhood of love and harmony that just happens to include the German Bundeswehr? Well, let’s assume that Kubrick IS (or I should say, WAS) trying to send messages here. If so, the question is, what were they? Given Weidner’s extensive and thorough alchemical analysis of the esoteric symbolism contained in the movie, and the discovery of a monolith on one of the Moons of Jupiter, perhaps Kubrick is subtly trying to say that someone (the Germans?) discovered something out there long before the rest of us were made aware of it.

And let’s not forget one other thing… In Clarke’s original 2001, the moon on which the monolith was discovered was not Earth’s nor any of Jupiter’s moons…

Can anyone say Iapetus? George Lucas? Cassini?


The coincidences pile up here, and they are disturbing. At the minimum, I believe we may be looking at a classic case of “synchronicity,” and at the other end of the spectrum, maybe we are, after all, being sent “messages.”


http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/03/stanley-kubricks-2001-space-odyssey-messages/


Does this mean anything? Who knows. I would think if Farrell believed Jay was putting out dis-info he would not be so open about the friendship and quoting his work?

[Calz]

I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.

Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.


Trying to follow up on this without much luck so far. Here is some text in Jordan Maxwell's Camelot interview from 2009 talking about Stitchin. At that point Jordan would not come out with it since it was revealed in a private conversation. It must have been later when he did.



KC: I understand. Now, I don’t know if you’re willing to talk about this, but Zecharia Sitchin and you sat down and you asked him to tell you a secret. Based on all your time with him, the things that you had done for him, etcetera, etcetera, you basically said: Tell me something that I don’t know.

JM: Yeah.

KC: Are you willing to talk about that?

JM: No.

KC: Because I think that that is a clue that people would really benefit from knowing.

JM: Yeah. I don’t think I want to talk about that.

KC: Okay.

JM: Because...

KC: Do you feel that Zecharia would not like that information out there?

JM: No. It was that it was a private conversation and when I asked him... Because, like I said, at one time I was in business with Zecharia. I had a contract with him, and so we were business partners, and so I felt a little bit more of a leeway to talk with Zecharia in private. So I asked him one time some very personal questions about his work and it was absolutely mind-blowing and staggering, the things he was telling me.

And then... Well anyway, then he told me some things about myself and I was amazed. I never heard such a thing, that what he was being told, or wherever he got it from, he had a view on me, who I am and what I’m doing. But at that time we were talking, it was a private conversation, and I think it’d be better just left private.

KC: Okay. Fine.

JM: All I will say is this: Zecharia Sitchin is a fascinating man and a brilliant writer, and I love everything he’s doing, and I love the man. He’s a very dear friend and I love Zecharia Sitchin. He’s a very, very gentleman kind of guy, and so... I like that.


http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jordan_maxwell_interview_en.html

[karelia]

I can't help but wonder what Weidner and Farrell would come up with in terms of conclusions if they considered the idea that the third reich wasn't out to take over the world in the way the cabal has been... It surely would be interesting.
(No, this idea isn't entirely unfounded. After tons of research, I've found some referring to the 'third power' or 'unknown power' likely to be those Germans who escaped the cabal at the 'end' of WWII. Germany (the federal republic) to this day is without a peace treaty, and the country never surrendered in any case. There is plenty of evidence that a lot of UFOs have been spotted displaying the swastica or at the very least the German Cross. Some power has interfered and practiced damage control whenever nukes were fired; otherwise this planet would be completely uninhabitable by now. Since the Germans invented the nuclear bomb, is it so far-fetched to allow the thought that it's them who exercised the damage control? Virgil Armstrong pointed out in one his last interviews that the Germans in Antarctica had turned to the 'good' side.)

[Calz]

there it is, the story right there... wow, just crazy. its whats we've been trying to piece together. So then, there is nothing left to do except wait to die. when the CME hits, this civilization is over. the underground 'arks' that they're building, if any survive, will have the monumental task of rebuilding civilization. a truly sad day.

We don't know that for sure. As Jay points out there is a discrepancy on the date (Kali Yuga implies 2442):


Lance: Wow. Well, what in the heck are we going to do about all this? What can be done?

Jay: Well, you know, here's the thing: we don't know. And I'm not saying there is going to be this thing, because these people could be as wacky as they come. I think actually their numbers are - here's the thing.

Their original number was 2442; that was when they said that the end of the Kali Yuga was coming, according to these ancient texts. And I think that they found out, by deciphering the long-count calendar in the late 1880s, that there may be a chance that it isn't 2442 but it's 2012 -

And so they hit the pedal to the metal and created the 20th century and got out of Dodge and they're up there, but there may still be 400 years left.

Lance: Oh.

Jay: Yeah. I mean their number system definitely says "2442". And it's a big mystery that we're all trying to uncover and figure out.

The entire number system that these people use - have been using since they arrived here - is a higher-dimensional, or hyper-dimensional, number system. There are many places on Earth that use their numerical system, this hyper-dimensional numerical system; but the three places on Earth that have it the most are Giza - the Great Pyramid of Giza - Stonehenge, and the U.S. Capitol.

Allegedly all part of a cycle that has happened before (and will happen again).

In one shape or form I have no doubt life will go on. We *may* be witness to something quite remarkable.

[Calz]

In doing research on the Mahabharata ... there is this ... always best to start here at home on Avalon :)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19745-Vedas-human-dnai-mahabharata-Aryans-aryan-gods

[Calz]

This one is interesting. I am sure everyone has heard about the layer of "glass" in India and speculation of a vast atomic war.

Check this out:


The topic of this issue is the Mahabharata war in relation to world history and culture. We will begin the topic with a question we received sometime back:

"In the Mahabharata, the war seemed to have affected the whole world. We don’t find so many references to such of a huge event in other cultures. Why are there no references to a great world event?"

There is reference to a great war both in the Mayan culture and in old Chinese traditions. They speak about a huge war that happened long, long ago; but they give no details. They only knew that such a war had occurred.

After any war two things happen. In certain regions, nothing develops for a long time; and in certain other regions everything expands very rapidly. The same thing has happened after the Kurukshetra war. In some places everything just stopped; there was no communication. These places became completely isolated from the rest of the world.

You can imagine the situation of those other kingdoms which were working under the fifty-four kingdoms, the Aryan empire. When a huge war like this is waged on the other side of the globe, and none of the kings ever returned, and their armies also didn’t come back, what would be the state of communication?

These kingdoms would have become completely alien to everything. No one would have known what happened. The king with his entire army went to fight in the great war, and that's it. They just disappeared, never to be heard from again. The agents from the ruling kingdoms no longer came to collect taxes, no information was being sent from the world capital. Suddenly these former colonies are isolated and free. They don't have to pay taxes anymore, nor do they have to be subservient.

Naturally the new king would try to make a lot of indigenous effort to put forth their own culture. And if there were any texts left that said his grand father was a slave of Kaikeya, he would just burn it. They wouldn't want to keep such information.

The same thing happened in the modern World War, which was actually just a war around the world. But the Mahabharata war was one massacre at one single place, and nobody went back. None of the kings or soldiers returned to tell what happened.

It is described that the cremations were done there and the rituals were also done there. Even the widows of the other kings were adopted there by the capital, Hastinapura. Seven different types of cremations were done, like mass cremations, individual cremations, etc. After the cremations, the widows were all adopted by Hastinapura there itself. There was practically no one going back to their own countries, hardly a single channel of communication.

We can imagine if we were a distant country ruling under one of these fifty-four kings, the Aryan empire, and we see no one is returning from the battle, no communication is coming from the battle; what would we do? Immediately we would destroy the old information, that showed us as slaves to these Aryan kings, and emerge as a great self-manifesting empire like Egypt. This is exactly what they did.

The destruction caused by the war was not only external. The destruction of the war was also in the minds of the people. After those heavy astras were used, in the minds of the people anything subtle, anything delicate, anything perfectional was completely burnt out. It is just like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, till today you find the children are disabled. How many years has it been? It was only two primitive bombs. They were so gross and physical, but the radioactivity of that is still being seen today.

Then we can understand, according to the descriptions within the Mahabharata, what was the destruction of the Brahmastras used in the war. What was the Agni-astras they were using? What was the power of the wind in the Vayu-astra? It was not only blowing in Kurukshetra, it was blowing all over the planet. What would have happened to the people’s minds because of the diffusion of all these energies?

Everything became lost. Naturally people would not even be able to think that they were serving, or they had been paying tax to the Aryan kings of such and such countries. The whole thing had no meaning any more.

This is known as the "dark period" after the Mahabharata war. Kathacharit-sagara has stories about this dark time. In the Tamil literature also it discusses this period. There was a dark period in between where no one knew what happened. Only the thieves, either through ship or through land, were ruling the world. In Tamil it is known as "kalapirar kalam" which means the time of the unknown kings, unknown rulers. The Tamil literature gives 3,000 years for it. And then the Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas came to power. In between it was completely dark. And these Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas were actually descendants of the original Cheras, Cholas and Pandiyas who took part in the Mahabharata war.

The Chola king was the one who ran the kitchen for the Pandavas. That is there in the Tamil literature. Those people who ran the kitchen, they were not just cooks; they were all soldiers. They went to help in the war and when the division of work was given, they were given the kitchen. So they were cooking. There are hundreds of Tamil verses glorifying that king who cooked for the Pandavas during the Mahabharata war. It is there in the Tamil literature.

If this war never happened, if Kurushetra was only symbolic of the body, mind and senses; why would this Aryan king have spent twenty years of his ruling time in the North cooking for someone else. These are clear proofs. There was a dark time in between. The dark time was nothing but the reactions of the war. After the dark time, those who emerged powerful were not all the authentic rulers. Some were descendants, but most were just those who utilized this opportunity to gain power. This is why it is not mentioned in other cultures, it is not recorded. A great war is mentioned, but no details are given.

Even in the mythology of the Greeks it is there, only the time is looking different. The time frame does not look like it is the Mahabharata war, but the great Achilles fighting and other such stories of Greek mythology have a very close similarity to stories from the Kurushetra war. In Greek mythology some of these stories are internally dated much before the time of the Kurushetra war. The reason is because they wanted to have a separate identity, therefore they told it as though it happened at a much more ancient time. It may sound like mythology, but its just the histories which have been handed down from the Kurushetra war by the bards and entertainers.

The bards and entertainers were not killed. This is an important point in understanding how this history has spread. At that time, war meant that during every evening they had theater, they had dance, they had jokers, etc. They had all varieties of entertainment, and none of these entertainers were killed. That was the rule according to dharma-shastra, they were not supposed to be killed. Everyone died on the battlefield of Kurukshetra, but all of these bards, poets and entertainers lived. This is how the stories were spread.

The people who did street dances and folk dances, poetry and songs, they all went back. But because the armies and kings were not there, they did not reach as far as they had come from. These entertainers had traveled along with the armies and kings, from distant lands. When the battle was finished, they had no king or army to take them back to their homeland, which in some cases was on the other side of the world. They traveled on their own, alone, and managed to reach some distance, somewhere. They did not make it home to their own countries, but they traveled as far as they could go alone. And when they stopped, unable to go any further, there they would have searched for some patron to perform for.

They must have been highly impressed with this war. Whatever had happened, whatever they saw, the battles between the heroes on both sides; it had impressed them so much. Naturally they would dramatize this and make stories of wars, of great battles, of what they had just witnessed.

In this Great war, who would have come back? Only the entertainers; the nandis, vandis and mahatis; those people who woke up the king’s everyday. They are the one's who lived to spread these stories. When their kings died they would leave. This was the tradition. The king goes to the battle with a full entourage . If the king is killed in the second day of the battle, the king who killed him takes his army. This was the system in those days. This was not the case for those who made a pact; like Dhristadyumna was in a pact with the Pandavas. His army would not go to Duryodhana. But those individual kings who came to the help the Pandavas, if the king is killed then everything that he has, including his ornaments, dress and animals, belongs to the king who killed him. Actually his country also belongs to that king. That was how the war was fought. Everything including the ornaments he was wearing, his armor, they belong to the winner. Only his astras won't be taken, because astras won’t serve one unless you have done the proper upasana. The astras will go back to the rishi or the deva who has given them. This was the rule of war.

Once their king was killed, what would the entertainers do? They would not continue sitting there glorifying their dead king while the war was still continuing. As soon as their king died, they would leave the battle field. So for them, the outcome of the war was not even known. But when they left they had nothing, no escort, no entourage; they were alone. So they would travel as far as they could and as quickly as they could, until they reached whatever place they could find. They would be looking for a new patron. And if they found one, the first thing they will say is, "Have you heard? There was a war!" Once they have found a patron they will start performing. But the war was still running, and they would not want to be involved in politics, so to protect themselves they will begin, "Long, long ago..." And that would begin the dramatization of the Great War. This is how the information spread. You can find in every ethnic culture in the world, without fail, there is discussion of a Great War. How does that come about? It may not go by the name Mahabharata, but the great war is there, everywhere.

There is an entire culture whose literature is based around crying, the Sumerian culture. All of their ancient writings are the cries of women who have lost their husbands in the war. Those who can read ancient Tamil will see that their script is almost identical, it is similar to the Dravida alphabets; and even the meanings of the sentences can be understood, it is so similar.

Their texts are saying the same thing as the Mahabharata. A city was built, there was gambling, another city was burnt, a lady was insulted, and because of that there was fire. The order may not be the same, but the elements are identical. After the war, there was crying by the widows. And this crying is the substance of the Sumerian writings. Each song is a cry. It is the same thing as found in the Mahabharata. There is a chapter in the Mahabharata, "the crying of the queens in the war after the kings died". It is identical. Everyone is talking about this same great war.

Even in regards to geography, the ancient cultures are speaking the same thing. There is always mention of a river that is running on four sides of a mountain. They may make the map based on their own idea of how the river is coming down from the mountain, but the substance is the same. They may not understand that it is referring to the four branches of the Ganga which go to the four different levels of the universe, but they have the basic concept. In China it is there. In the Maya culture it is there. This is the same concept as found in the Bhagavatam and other Vedic texts.

There are many other parallels between the world cultures, pointing to a common source. Symbolically the Swastika is found all over the world - in Native American tribes, in Europe, in ancient India. Hitler was trying to revive the old Germanic and Norse tales of the Aryan kings, but he failed to understand the entire tradition. The Swastika represents life, but he chose to reverse it, thus signifying death. Even linguistically, the Indo-European languages, such as Sanskrit, Latin, Greek and their many derivatives, have countless similarities. This all points out that there was originally one culture, one civilization. The Great War described throughout the world is the Mahabharata war.

One may ask, "Why don't the other countries present it in the exact same way?" It is because they were countries working under the fifty-four kings. They were subservient to the Aryan empire, and this war made them free. It was their chance to rewrite the history, to make their civilization the center of time.

The rulers in Hastinapura allowed it to happen by their negligence. Parik**** Maharaja did not function as an emperor of the world for a long time, and as a result there was no unification of the countries done under him. And after him, Janamejaya spent his whole life trying to kill the snakes, until finally he became sick of everything and left the kingdom. Because of this the Aryan kings became weak.

According to Kathacharit-sagara, after the dark period it was Bhima’s grandsons who sprung to power from Ujjain and other places. It was in their line that Vikramaditya later came. In Arjuna's line there was no powerful descendant, although there were some in Kundinapura. But their line quickly became diffused. The Indonesian city, Yogyakarta, previously known as Yajna-karta, was ruled by Bhima’s grandson. It was there that he performed one thousand yajnas, and that is how the city was named. That was much after the war.

In some places the remnants of Vedic culture are more powerful. Their presence is felt more directly. But in other places the remnants are faint and more difficult to perceive. Just like the Sun worshippers of Japan. Previously it was part of a huge land mass in the pacific, but by the movement of the land and the sea it has become a tiny island. In that ancient land, they were worshippers of the Sun god. It was the same with the Lemurian land mass that was between Africa and India. The Tamil literatures describe a massive land going towards the west from the present Indian coast.

After every Yuga there is a change of land and sea. There is one chapter on this in the pratisarga parva of the Bhavishya Purana. It speaks about how the land and sea change by the influence of time. This is how the flood of Noah described in the bible occurred. It was taken as a big dissolution, as a pralaya, but it was just the change of yugas. When Noah built the Arc, He was under the mountain Tuhinachala. Today the Tuhinachala is now a desert. It is no longer a mountain.

There is another case from Bhima’s time, when he went for collection for the Rajasuya sacrifice. He went from Puri to Burma by chariot by crossing two mountains. There was no Bay of Bengal. And now that there is a bay of Bengal, we see two tiny islands, Andaman and Nicobar. They were the mountains that Bhima crossed, today they are just small islands.

It is the same situation with New Zealand. They were not islands, but the peaks of mountains. They belonged to a giant land mass that connected to what was the Kimpurusha Varsha. But today they are also islands because of the land changes that occurred when the yugas changed.

So, with all this - the Great War followed by massive changes in the earth's geography - the civilizations were heavily affected. Vyasadeva describes this war by saying, “There had not been a war as heavy as this at any time in all the lands.” He describes it this way because all of the demons and all of the devas took part in this war at one place - Kurukshetra. It was the heaviest war in the history, fought between universal powers. Thus its effects were felt in all places throughout the world.


http://www.bvashram.org/articles/105/1/Mahabharata-The-Great-War-and-World-History/Page1.html

[oceanz]

In this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23425-12-yr-Girl-Discovers-ALL-U.S.-Presidents-Except-One-Related-to-One-British-King/page2
Siberia9 in response to why the Illuminati dislike Necromancers:
Yes they hunt Necromancers(the Gypsy's I speak of do), and that they are also afraid of anyone with a bloodline that is spiritual, American Indians, Gypsy's, etc etc which is why they are eliminated whenever possible.

I have never heard the word 'Necromancers' before but I immediately thought of 'Necromongers' -
a race of conquerors traveling across space toward the Underverse, a dark mirror of the normal universe where death has no meaning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Riddick

Of course in this movie Riddick is a 'Furyan' - very similar to 'Aryan'.

Back to Necomancers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necromancy

Necromancy is a form of magic in which the practitioner seeks to summon the spirit of a deceased person, either as an apparition or ghost, or to raise them bodily, for the purpose of divination.

Early necromancy is likely related to shamanism, which calls upon spirits such as the ghosts of ancestors.

Necromancy as the principal form of divination amongst the people of Persia (Strabo, xvi. 2, 39, νεκρομαντία), and it is believed to also have been widespread amongst the peoples of Chaldea (particularly amongst the Sabians or star-worshipers), Etruria, and Babylonia. The Babylonian necromancers were called Manzazuu or Sha'etemmu, and the spirits they raised were called Etemmu.

Norse mythology also contains examples of necromancy and was widespread in Western antiquity with records of practice in Babylon, Egypt, Greece, and Rome.

Many medieval writers believed resurrection was impossible without the assistance of the Christian God. They translated the practice of divination as conjuring demons who took the appearance of spirits. The practice became known explicitly as demonic magic and was condemned by the Roman Catholic Church.

Medieval necromancy is believed to be a synthesis of astral magic derived from Arabic influences and exorcism derived from Christian and Jewish teachings. Arabic influences are evident in rituals that involve moon phases, sun placement, day and time. Fumigation and the act of burying images are also found in both astral magic and necromancy. Christian and Jewish influences are found in the symbols and conjuration formulas used in summoning rituals.

Medieval practitioners believed they could accomplish three things with necromancy: will manipulation, illusions, and knowledge.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

Sumerians believed that the universe consisted of a flat disk enclosed by a tin dome. The Sumerian afterlife involved a descent into a gloomy netherworld to spend eternity in a wretched existence as a Gidim (ghost). <---- death has no meaning then.


Enlil, lord of the ghost-land, in the north at the temple of Nippur. His gifts to mankind were said to be the spells and incantations that the spirits of good or evil were compelled to obey

Sumerian writing is the oldest example of writing on earth.

Examples of Sumerian technology include: the wheel, cuneiform, arithmetic and geometry, irrigation systems, Sumerian boats, lunisolar calendar, bronze, leather, saws, chisels, hammers, braces, bits, nails, pins, rings, hoes, axes, knives, lancepoints, arrowheads, swords, glue, daggers, waterskins, bags, harnesses, armor, quivers, war chariots, scabbards, boots, sandals, harpoons, and beer. The Sumerians had three main types of boats: (even perhaps Noah's Ark)


clinker-built sailboats stitched together with hair, featuring bitumen waterproofing
skin boats constructed from animal skins and reeds
wooden-oared ships, sometimes pulled upstream by people and animals walking along the nearby banks

Question, are the true Neomancers those with Rh Neg Blood (those without the Rhesus Monkey factor) who show a talent for Neomancing WITHOUT the use of spells/formulas etc? <--- a gift from Enlil?


http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/rhneg.htm

Many scientists believe that modern man evolved from ape-like primates. They have much proof to back up their theories, including modern blood analysis and comparative studies between modern man and lower anthripoids, such as the chimpanzee and the Rhesus monkey.

It has been proven that the majority of mankind (85%) has a blood factor common with the rhesus monkey. This is called rhesus positive blood. Usually shortened to Rh positive. This factor is completely independent from the A, B, 0 blood types.

In the study of genetics, we find that we can only inherit what our ancestors had except in the case of mutation. We can have any of numerous combinations of traits inherited from all our ancestors. Nothing more and nothing less. Therefore, if man and ape evolved from a common ancestor, their blood would have evolved the same way. Blood factors are transmitted with much more exactitude than any other characteristic. It would seem that modern man and rhesus monkey may have had a common ancestor sometime in the ancient past. All other earthly primates also have this Rh factor. But this leaves out the people who are Rh negative. If all mankind evolved from the same ancestor their blood would be compatible. Where did the Rh negatives come from? If they are not the descendants of prehistoric man, could they be the descendants of the ancient astronauts?

All animals and other living creatures known to man can breed with any other of their species. Relative size and color makes no difference. Why does infant's haemolytic disease occur in humans if all humans are the same species? Haemolytic disease is the allergic reaction that occurs when an Rh negative mother is carrying a Rh positive child. Her blood builds up antibodies to destroy an ALIEN substance (the same way it would a virus), thereby destroying the infant. Why would a mother's body reject her own offspring? Nowhere else in nature does this occur naturally. This same problem does occur in mules - a cross between a horse and donkey. This fact alone points to the distinct possibility of a cross-breeding between two similar but genetically different species.

No one has tried to explain where the Rh negative people came from. Most, familiar with blood factors, admit that these people must at least be a mutation if not descendants of a different ancestor. If we are a mutation, what caused the mutation? Why does it continue with the exact characteristics? Why does it so violently reject the Rh factor, if it was in their own ancestry? Who was this ancestor? Difficulties in determining ethnology are largely overcome by the use of blood group data, for they are a single gene characteristic and not affected by the environment.

Genesis 6:2 "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and took them wives, all of which they chose." Who were the children of these marriages? Genesis 6:4 "God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, and the same became mighty of old." From the King James Bible dictionary we find: "menchildren - men of Israel, male children of God, not children of man - Ex. 34:23." Ex. 34:7 states "The iniquity of the father will be unto the children unto the fourth generation." It is plain that something is inherited, could it be the blood?

Blood is mentioned more often than any other word in the Bible, except God. These two words you will find on almost every page, blood and God! (The blood of the Gods?) This message has been written for thousands of years. There is a connection between the blood and the Gods.

The American Indians had the tradition of making good friends, "blood brothers", if they thought they were worthy. Could this tradition have been for a reason? Could they have actually been checking to see if they were blood brothers (the same type blood)? The clumping (aggulation) that occurs when Rh positive and Rh negative blood are mixed is visible to the naked eye. Could they have been told, by their ancestors, that their blood was different from that of the rest of mankind except for their brothers and sisters, from other tribes, scattered throughout the earth. Indian tradition declares that their ancestors were of cosmic origin. The Indian totem pole is actually a family genealogy.

[Calz]

Cannot remember if this has been posted already.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk&feature=player_embedded


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And on a "ligher note" this is rather amusing:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL40kC4arGw&amp

[seko]

Cannot remember if this has been posted already.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngJ-H7fjsAk&feature=player_embedded


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And on a "ligher note" this is rather amusing:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL40kC4arGw&amp
thank you for the video Calz, I still don't want to draw conclusion to who is who or the real story.

There is so much info out there......I'm a bit overloaded.

[Calz]

thank you for the video Calz, I still don't want to draw conclusion to who is who or the real story.

There is so much info out there......I'm a bit overloaded.

I agree. Was in no way suggesting the validity of these vids. Seemed interesting and thought I would put them out here.

Was trying to research whether the whole Enlil/Enki story came from Stitchin.

Other Sumerian tablet scholars don't agree with all of Stitchin's interpretations.

[Andrew]

I'm a little confused by this

Enki's journey to Nibru: c.1.1.4
In the shrine of Nibru, Enki provided a meal for Enlil, his father. He seated An at the head of the table and seated Enlil next to An. He seated Nintur in the place of honour and seated the Anuna gods at the adjacent places (?). All of them were drinking and enjoying beer and liquor. They filled the bronze aga vessels to the brim and started a competition, drinking from the bronze vessels of Uraš. They made the tilimda vessels shine like holy barges. After beer and liquor had been libated and enjoyed, and after …… from the house, Enlil was made happy in Nibru.

If Enki and Enlil are brothers why does it say above in BOLD that Enlil is Enki's father?
Link to page here (http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/cgi-bin/etcsl.cgi?simplesearchword=enlil&simplesearch=translation&searchword=&charenc=gcirc&lists=)

The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature (ETCSL), a project of the University of Oxford. (http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/)

[thunder24]

Enki and enlil are both sons of an. either typo, or they refer to enlil as father cause he became king?
peace

[Andrew]

The Empire was great, but there came from another uni-
verse violent people who tried to wrest our possessions from us.
These people were humanoid and upon their head they had
horny growths projecting from the area of the temples. They
also had a tail. These people were of a surpassingly warlike
nature, it was their sport as well as their work. In black ships
they poured into this universe and laid waste to worlds which
we had so recently seeded. In space cataclysmic battles took
place. Worlds were laid desolate, worlds erupted into gouts of
smoke and flame and their debris clutters the space ways as the
Asteroid Belt even to this day. Previously fertile worlds had
their atmosphere blasted away and all that lived there perished:
A world struck another world a glancing blow and threw it
against the Earth. The Earth juddered and shook and was
pushed into another orbit which made the Earth-day longer.
‘ “During the near-collision giant electric discharges leaped
from the two worlds. The skies flamed anew. Many of the
Earth-humans perished. Great floods swept the surface of the
world and compassionate Gardeners hurried around in their
Arks trying to load aboard humans and animals that they
should be safely conveyed to higher ground and safety. In later
years,” said the Voice, “this would give rise to incorrect
legends throughout all Earth lands. But in space the battle was
won. The forces of the Empire defeated the evil invaders and
made many of them captive.

‘ “The Prince of the Invaders, Prince Satan, pled for his life,
saying that he had much to teach the peoples of the Empire.
Saying that He would at all times work for the good of others.
His life and that of some of his leading men was spared. After a
period of captivity he expressed himself as anxious to co-oper-
ate in the rebuilding of the solar system which he had so de-
secrated. Being men of good will, the Empire admirals and
generals could not imagine treachery and evil intent in others.
They accepted the offer and set the Prince Satan and his
officers tasks under the supervision of Empire men.
‘ “On the Earth the natives were crazed by the experiences
they had undergone. They had been decimated by the in-
undation and by the flames from the clouds. Fresh stock was
brought from outlying planets where some humans had sur-
vived. The lands were now different, the seas were different.
Through the complete change in orbit the climate had altered.
Now there was a hot equatorial belt and ice formed very
heavily on the polar areas. Icebergs broke away from the main
masses and floated in the seas. Huge animals died in the sudden
cold. Forests collapsed when their living conditions changed so
drastically.

Here were another group of
Gardeners, or “Gods”. Horus, Osirus, Annubis, Isis, and many
others. Here too orgies were occurring. Here too a former
lieutenant of Prince Satan was at work trying to sabotage all
efforts to produce good for this little world. Here too were the
inevitable priests writing their endless and inaccurate legends:
Some there were who had wormed their way into the
confidence of the Gods and had so obtained knowledge nor-
mally forbidden to the natives for their own good. These
natives formed a secret society designed to steal more for-
bidden knowledge and to usurp the power of the Gardeners.
But the Voice continued to speak. “We had much trouble with
certain of the natives and had to introduce measures which
were repressive. Certain of the native priests, having stolen
equipment from the Gardeners, could not control them; they
loosed plagues upon the Earth. Vast numbers of the people
died. Crops were affected.
‘ “But certain of the Gardeners, under the control of Prince
Satan, had established a Capital of Sin in the cities of Sodom
and Gomorrah. Cities in which any form of vice or perversion
or depravity was considered as virtue. The Master of the
Empire solemnly warned Satan to desist and leave, but he
scoffed. Certain of the better inhabitants of Sodom and Gom-
orrah were advised to leave, and then, at the appointed time, a
solitary craft sped through the air and dropped a small package:
The cities were erased in flame and smoke. Great mushroom-
shaped clouds ascended into the quaking sky, and upon the
ground there was naught but devastation, rubble of stones,
melted rocks, and the incredible debris of human habitation in
decay. By night the area shone with a sickly purple radiance Very few escaped the holocaust.

‘ “Following this salutary warning, it was decided to with-
draw all the Gardeners from the face of the Earth and to have
no more contact with the natives but to treat them as speci-
mens from afar. Patrols would still enter the atmosphere. The
world and its natives still would be supervised. But no official
contact. Instead it was decided to have upon the Earth natives
who had been specially trained and who could be ‘planted’
where suitable people could find them. The man who later
became known as Moses was an example. A suitable native
woman was removed from the Earth and impregnated with the
seed having the necessary characteristics. The unborn child was
telepathically trained and given great — for a native — know-
ledge. He was hypnotically conditioned not to reveal the know-
ledge until an appointed time.
‘ “In due course the baby was born and further training and
conditioning was given. Later the baby was placed in a suitable
container and under cover of darkness was deposited securely in
a bed of reeds where he would speedily be found. As he grew to
manhood he was in frequent touch with us. When necessary a
small ship would come to a mountain and be concealed by the
natural clouds or even by those which we made ourselves. The
man Moses would then ascend the mountain and come aboard,
leaving after with a Wand of Power or specially compiled
Tablets of the Commandments which we had prepared for
him.

‘ “But this still was not enough. We had to go through a
similar procedure in other countries. In that land which now is
known as India we specially controlled and trained the male
child of a most powerful Prince. We considered that his power
and prestige would induce the natives to follow him and adhere
to a special form of discipline which we had formulated that
there should be an improvement in the spiritual state of the
natives. Gautama had his own ideas, however, and rather than
discard him we allowed him to produce his own form of
spiritual discipline. Once again we found that the disciples, or
priests — usually for their own gain — distorted the teachings in
their writings. Thus it ever was upon the Earth; a coterie of
men, self-styled priests, would edit or re-write scriptures that
their own powers and wealth should be enhanced.

And so on... this is from this book The Hermit by Lobsang Rampa (http://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/The_Hermit.pdf) a very interesting read.

[ Mod-edit: Lobsang Rampa's books (in pdf format) may now, February 2015, be found at http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research-material.html. -- Paul ]

I want to add this video here of Bob Dean, because at 107:00mins he talks about the the Prince of this world, I wonder if he is referring to the same Prince?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s7c15K4kLo

[jcocks]

You know, it's funny...

I have a vivid image of planets coming in close contact and great massive electrical storms of such verocity it would place most people on Earth in a state of shock if they were to witness them..... I've had this image in my head as a kid, it made a huge impression in me. I used to think i got it from one of the books I used to own on the solar system...

Now I'm not so sure......

[Calz]

Interesting chat from Joseph Farrell on current evironment of "social engineering" from the "elite" via television shows with "alien invasion" themes and memes. Goes on to speculate towards the end about the "incoming" being "annunaki" who may not be real "happy" with the way things have been handled by the "elite" etc.

Doesn't break it down into Enlil/Enki factions but interesting enough to have a listen:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOiIukAQh_c&feature=player_embedded#at=490

[Calz]

btw - thanks to andrew for the link to the interesting book.

I might print it off and try to read it.

Here is an amazon review for those interested:


At the outset, let it be declared that "The Hermit" by T. Lobsang Rampa is a genuine classic of UFO and abduction literature. While that may not have been Rampa's original intent, what he has written not only accurately predicts the future of what would be eventually learned by abduction researchers decades later, but also provides another dimension to the typical abduction narrative that is almost never present: In Rampa's book, the aliens actually SPEAK to the abductee and make him a conscious and active participant in what is happening.
But let us first look at the framework of the story Rampa tells. It begins with a young Buddhist monk's arrival at the cave of another monk who is a hermit greatly advanced in years. The hermit has been expecting the younger priest to visit for more than sixty years, meanwhile enduring deprivations of mind and body that would kill many less faithful to their appointed task. The young monk is to be the repository of knowledge that his elder counterpart has been waiting to impart to him.

The hermit's own story began when he was himself a young Tibetan priest and was taken captive by the Chinese, who falsely believed he was carrying classified information to their enemies. The hermit/priest is tortured as part of his interrogation, and eventually has his eyes gouged out before being thrown on a nearby dung heap to die. Now blinded and barely alive, he makes his escape to the mountains, where he is eventually captured by the aliens and taken to an underground location for indoctrination into the mysteries he is to pass on to the world.

The aliens tell him he has been chosen because he has an exceptional memory that will allow him to vividly remember the details of their message to the world for the rest of his life. At that point, Rampa begins the story of the hermit's abduction experience that, given that it was originally published in 1971, seems absolutely prescient today.

The hermit tells the young monk the entire story in a series of lectures. The hermit was initially placed on an operating-type table with only one pillar in the middle supporting it, one of the most familiar details of the standard abduction scenario. Various devices are connected to his body that seem to serve some kind of medical purpose. At one point, the top of his head is sawed off and a kind of brain surgery performed. There are also moments when he views other worlds on large television screens onboard a ship, as well as a fascinating extended out-of-body experience that teaches him about the slow process of alien-controlled evolution by which mankind came to dwell upon the Earth.

The aliens' message concludes with their many attempts to send religious role models to help keep mankind as much as possible on the straight and narrow. Historical figures such as Moses, Buddha and Christ are shown to be alien creations whose true purpose remains obscured behind the clouds of human superstition.

By now, you may be tempted to say, "But we've heard it all before." Which is precisely the point, it really HAS all been heard before. Whitley Strieber and Betty Andreasson Luca and any number of abductees have had similar things happen. But their stories began in the 1980s, more than a decade after Rampa's book was published in 1971. (Inner Light Publications has enthusiastically reprinted it.) At that point in UFO history, the only other widely read abduction account was John Fuller's "The Interrupted Journey," which told the story of Barney and Betty Hill's 1961 capture and medical examination onboard a UFO.

Rampa has quite simply assembled a narrative report so remarkably consistent with what would be learned in future years that it staggers the imagination and serves as a wonderful bit of prophecy that has been undeniably fulfilled by the abduction research that came later.

The story ends with perhaps one of the most profound scenes ever to grace the pages of a book of this type. Though Rampa is himself deceased, "The Hermit" will live forever as both a spiritual work of sublime depth and as another invaluable glimpse into the crucially important phenomenon of alien abduction, which may one day be the deliverance of life as we "know" it. And for which we will owe T. Lobsang Rampa and others like him a debt of gratitude.

[Andrew]

btw - thanks to andrew for the link to the interesting book.

I might print it off and try to read it.

Here is an amazon review for those interested:


At the outset, let it be declared that "The Hermit" by T. Lobsang Rampa is a genuine classic of UFO and abduction literature. While that may not have been Rampa's original intent, what he has written not only accurately predicts the future of what would be eventually learned by abduction researchers decades later, but also provides another dimension to the typical abduction narrative that is almost never present: In Rampa's book, the aliens actually SPEAK to the abductee and make him a conscious and active participant in what is happening.
But let us first look at the framework of the story Rampa tells. It begins with a young Buddhist monk's arrival at the cave of another monk who is a hermit greatly advanced in years. The hermit has been expecting the younger priest to visit for more than sixty years, meanwhile enduring deprivations of mind and body that would kill many less faithful to their appointed task. The young monk is to be the repository of knowledge that his elder counterpart has been waiting to impart to him.

The hermit's own story began when he was himself a young Tibetan priest and was taken captive by the Chinese, who falsely believed he was carrying classified information to their enemies. The hermit/priest is tortured as part of his interrogation, and eventually has his eyes gouged out before being thrown on a nearby dung heap to die. Now blinded and barely alive, he makes his escape to the mountains, where he is eventually captured by the aliens and taken to an underground location for indoctrination into the mysteries he is to pass on to the world.

The aliens tell him he has been chosen because he has an exceptional memory that will allow him to vividly remember the details of their message to the world for the rest of his life. At that point, Rampa begins the story of the hermit's abduction experience that, given that it was originally published in 1971, seems absolutely prescient today.

The hermit tells the young monk the entire story in a series of lectures. The hermit was initially placed on an operating-type table with only one pillar in the middle supporting it, one of the most familiar details of the standard abduction scenario. Various devices are connected to his body that seem to serve some kind of medical purpose. At one point, the top of his head is sawed off and a kind of brain surgery performed. There are also moments when he views other worlds on large television screens onboard a ship, as well as a fascinating extended out-of-body experience that teaches him about the slow process of alien-controlled evolution by which mankind came to dwell upon the Earth.

The aliens' message concludes with their many attempts to send religious role models to help keep mankind as much as possible on the straight and narrow. Historical figures such as Moses, Buddha and Christ are shown to be alien creations whose true purpose remains obscured behind the clouds of human superstition.

By now, you may be tempted to say, "But we've heard it all before." Which is precisely the point, it really HAS all been heard before. Whitley Strieber and Betty Andreasson Luca and any number of abductees have had similar things happen. But their stories began in the 1980s, more than a decade after Rampa's book was published in 1971. (Inner Light Publications has enthusiastically reprinted it.) At that point in UFO history, the only other widely read abduction account was John Fuller's "The Interrupted Journey," which told the story of Barney and Betty Hill's 1961 capture and medical examination onboard a UFO.

Rampa has quite simply assembled a narrative report so remarkably consistent with what would be learned in future years that it staggers the imagination and serves as a wonderful bit of prophecy that has been undeniably fulfilled by the abduction research that came later.

The story ends with perhaps one of the most profound scenes ever to grace the pages of a book of this type. Though Rampa is himself deceased, "The Hermit" will live forever as both a spiritual work of sublime depth and as another invaluable glimpse into the crucially important phenomenon of alien abduction, which may one day be the deliverance of life as we "know" it. And for which we will owe T. Lobsang Rampa and others like him a debt of gratitude.

Thanks Calv, I have always been fascinated by T Lobsang Rampa, his books are great, I was first given You Forever (http://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/You_Forever.pdf) when I was 11 years old and still have the book to this day, TBH I think many people today used his teachings and stories as inspiration to write there books and talks.

All his books can be found here for download (http://www.lobsangrampa.org/research.html), if anyone has not read them, then they are missing out IMO. His first book The Third eye (http://www.lobsangrampa.org/data/The_Third_Eye.pdf) gives a wonderful background of life growing up in a Tibetan lamasery.

[davyj0nes]

We don't know that for sure. As Jay points out there is a discrepancy on the date (Kali Yuga implies 2442):
Allegedly all part of a cycle that has happened before (and will happen again).
In one shape or form I have no doubt life will go on. We *may* be witness to something quite remarkable.

you're right. it could go either way. were attentions flows, energy flows.

[karelia]

I find this an interesting take on the Enki/Anu/Enil angle:
s5oY7buN6nE

It kind of ties in with the Sajaha prophecies (a translation to English can be found somewhere on the ATS forum if you google it).

[Calz]

Whoa ... great find karelia!!!

Gave me the shivers :)

[seko]

I find this an interesting take on the Enki/Anu/Enil angle:
s5oY7buN6nE

It kind of ties in with the Sajaha prophecies (a translation to English can be found somewhere on the ATS forum if you google it).

there's another interesting video after that one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrYhAuhbRiM&NR=1

[Calz]

Thanks seko.

Fascinating!

Neither vid makes mention of Enlil ... and depicts Anu (the father) as Enki's rival. Aside from that pretty much follows what M'lord has suggested.

Speaking of which ... I keep hoping Sid will come swooping in with his cape and shower us with his nuggets. :laser:

Well we can only hope. In the meanwhile I appreciate all the effort and research being provided by so many to keep this important thread going.

Anyone highly psychic, telepathic or advanced remote viewers???

Would be interesting if we could get some psychic feeling on the "Enki faction in-coming".

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuoLpbQMQ5A&feature=related

[seko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuoLpbQMQ5A&feature=related

Amazing story, thanks for posting that Calz.

This is so interesting.

[Calz]

This one has a lot of beautiful imagery and photography. I was surprised to see Enki linked to the name "Shiva"??? Aside from that much the same as the last few:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96dA16LOeU&feature=related

[Calz]

Latest from Jay Weidner on Red Ice.

Doesn't go into Aryans this time (at least directly) but a lot of fascinating material with loose connections to this thread.


Jay Weidner - Kubrick's Odyssey & The Brotherhood of Saturn

March 6, 2011

Called by Wired Magazine an "authority on the hermetic and alchemical traditions," and "erudite conspiracy hunter," Jay Weidner is a renowned author, filmmaker and hermetic scholar. Considered to be a "modern-day Indiana Jones" for his ongoing worldwide quests to find clues to mankind's spiritual destiny via ancient societies and artifacts, his body of work offers great insight into the circumstances that have led to the current global crisis. He is the producer of the documentary films, "2012 The Odyssey", its sequel "Timewave 2013" and "Infinity; The Ultimate Trip". Jay joins us to discuss his latest film "Kubrick's Odyssey: Secrets Hidden in the films of Stanley Kubrick". The acclaimed American film director Stanley Kubrick told an important story with all his films and they all connect with each other and communicate a message. The question is if Kubrick was murdered considering what he trying to reveal with his films. We start to examine the film "Eyes Wide Shut" and how it connects with mind control, the elite, satanic, archonic, and demonic forces. We also discuss the Brotherhood of Saturn, the secret space program and Arthur C. Clarke. Topics Discussed: Kubric's Odyssey, Eyes Wide Shut, Operation Monarch, occult, sex-cults, Kubrick murdered, storytelling with films, A.I., pedophilia, Archons, Demons, Lolita, bear symbolism, Jim Garrison, Lee Harvey Oswald, NASA, the real space program, Babalon Bunch, Saturnian Society, JPL, the ringmakers, hexagonal rings on Saturn, Jupiter, Zeus, Saturn, Set, Buzz Aldrin comments on the Monolith Phobos, Lord of the Rings, Iapateus, Sargon, rings of Saturn, time trap and more.


http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/03/RIR-110306-jweidner.mp3


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Here is the older interview on Veritas discussing the Aryan Mars material I posted earlier.


Author, filmmaker, and hermetic scholar Jay Weidner discussed his documentary about life-after-death, as well as his research into an ancient group known as the Aryans or the Vril, who migrated to Mars. His film, Infinity: The Ultimate Trip features such people as Dannion Brinkley and Gregg Braden exploring concepts of the afterlife and reincarnation. Weidner said he made the film to help people not be afraid to die, and to no longer be afraid to live their lives freely. "Once we realize that there's no such thing as death, then I think we're going to be liberated from the political and social environment that we've been thrust into," he said. In the film, Brinkley reported that the government has investigated near-death experiences but has refused to tell the public what they've found, because it's in their interests to control the populace through fear.

Secrets are going to come undone, "and one of the main secrets of all is that we are hyperdimensional beings...and that energies do not die, they only transform themselves," Weidner declared. In his study of the ancient Sanskrit texts called the Puranas, he learned that humanity has been on Earth for as long as a million years, and repeats four different cycles. Our current age, they predicted, will end in the year 2442 with coronal mass ejections wiping out life as we know it.

According to Weidner's interpretation of the Puranas, during one of the previous cycles when solar ejections occurred, a group of Earthlings were able to escape to Mars and live there safely underground. When they returned to Earth, their appearance had changed to tall, pale-colored beings, who became known as the Ayrans or the Vril, he said, adding that they're secretly ruling the planet. He also talked about L. Austine Waddell's research into the Aryans, and director Stanley Kubrick, whom he believed was trying to reveal knowledge of secret ruling societies, in his films like Eyes Wide Shut, and an abandoned project called The Aryan Papers.


http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2010/05may/VS-100528-jweidner.php


Lastly the newest interview on Veritas. Similar to Red Ice (although it does touch on the Aryans going off planet leaving "the managers" rockefeller/rothschilds essentially left in the same boat we are ... except they have the DUMBS of course). Of interest he disputes Hoagland on the "glass" walls etc on the moon by explaining what it really is from Kubrick's set doing the fake lunar photo shoot.


http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2011/06jun/VS-110603-jweidner.php


(note - both Veritas interviews are "part ones" of the guest variety - need to be a member for the second part - well worth the small fee in my opinion. Wish I could share 2nd part cuz it rocks!)

[Calz]

Don't look now ... the vid posted by karelia on #473 ... has been blessed by the "ghostly quantum thank you" of lord sid :shocked:

[oceanz]

Is Enki's son Murdak (the giver of Chinese medicine and Tai Chi), is there any link between him and Buddha?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar
The earliest evidence of the Chinese calendar is found on the oracle bones of the Shang Dynasty (late second millennium BCE), which seem to describe a lunisolar year of 12 months, with a possible intercalary 13th, or even 14th, added empirically to prevent calendar drift. The Sexagenary cycle for recording days was already in use. Tradition holds that, in that era, the year began on the first new moon after the winter solstice.


http://www.crystalinks.com/sumercalendars.html
In the 6th century B.C. the scribes of Enuma Anu Enlil were a group of men at the Babylonian court who were experts in astronomy and astrology. Texts refer to this group of scribes, but we do not know exactly who they were, what they did and how they were trained. However, for hundreds of years the scribes kept accurate records of natural events on the earth and in the sky in order to predict the future.

Sumerian astronomy was primitive compared to later Babylonian standards. Babylonian clay tablets that have survived since the dawn of civilization in the Mesopotamian region - record the earliest total solar eclipse seen in Ugarit on May 3, 1375 BC.

Zodiac - Astronomers recognized and cataloged the brightest stars, outlined a rudimentary set of Zodiacal constellations, and noted the movements of the five visible planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn), as well as the Sun and Moon amongst the stars of the Zodiac.

Sumerians also developed a rudimentary system of astrological divination for use in foreseeing the future of city-states and battles, but not for predicting personal futures.

The month began at sunset, with the first visible (thinnest) crescent of the New Moon, which is visible about 18 hours after conjunction or about 36 hours after the disappearance of the Old Moon's thinnest crescent, (under certain circumstances this can be as short as 22 to 24 hours after disappearance of the Old Moon, with a clear western horizon).

Lunar Calendar

The lunar calendar was synchronized with the solar year (the seasons) by intercalation of a leap month every few years.

The Sumerians of Babylon were probably the first people to make a calendar.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization
The Maya calendar, which is based around the so-called Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, commences on a date equivalent to 11 August, 3114 BC.

In common with the other Mesoamerican civilizations, the Maya had measured the length of the solar year to a high degree of accuracy, far more accurately than that used in Europe as the basis of the Gregorian calendar. They did not use this figure for the length of year in their calendars, however; the calendars they used were crude, being based on a year length of exactly 365 days, which means that the calendar falls out of step with the seasons by one day every four years. By comparison, the Julian calendar, used in Europe from Roman times until about the 16th Century, accumulated an error of only one day every 128 years. The modern Gregorian calendar is even more accurate, accumulating only a day's error in approximately 3257 years.

Interesting to note that the Mayan's had a God K and a God L. Was God K, EnKi and God L, EnLil. Was Enki influencing the Sumerian culture and Enlil influencing the Maya culture?

[oceanz]

The only link thus far I have found between Enki's son Murdak (the giver of Chinese medicine and Tai Chi), and Buddha is:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
Heinrich Himmler (the Reichsführer of the SS), was also interested in Buddhism and his institute Ahnenerbe sought to mix some traditions from Hinduism and Buddhism--Gautama Buddha's original name for the religion we now call Buddhism was The Aryan Path. Himmler sent a 1939 German expedition to Tibet as part of his research into Aryan origins.

According to the adherents to Ariosophy, the Aryan was a "master race" that built a civilization that dominated the world from Atlantis about 10,000 years ago. This alleged civilization declined when other parts of the world were colonized after the 8000 BC destruction of Atlantis because the inferior races mixed with the Aryans but it left traces of their civilization in Tibet (via Buddhism), and even in Central America, South America, and Ancient Egypt. (The date of 8000 BC for the destruction of Atlantis in Ariosophy is 2,000 years later than the date of 10,000 BC given for this event in Theosophy.) These theories affected the more esotericist strand of Nazism.

Some writers believe Atlantis to be under Antartica which could explain the Nazi expedition in 1939 to Antartica.

Although not related, I found it interesting to note that Antartica has the lowest solar radiation on Earth so I question if humans originated first up near the North Pole would the last humans be found in the South Pole (meaning the elite would hide there if we have major solar flares/elecromagnetic eruptions etc also based on the secret activity going on there).

[karelia]

<snip>

Some writers believe Atlantis to be under Antartica which could explain the Nazi expedition in 1939 to Antartica.

And by the looks of it, the 1938 one wasn't the first expedition of Germans either...
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Wikipedia page on the Gauss Expedition 1902 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_expedition)

[oceanz]

Earlier today I was researching on Atlantis & Aryans and there was a book written about Aryans "The Myth of the Twentieth Century" by Alfred Rosenberg, which was a researched account of ancient history combined with his own racial interpretations. Anyway, the author George Orwell's name popped up. We now know a lot more about him and his aquaintances (which is why his books were so accurate). Here is Lord Sid's thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20421-Background-of-George-Orwell--Eric-Arthur-Blair-.

I'm beginning to think on this subject that the truth is like a Tree and there has been a lot of gardeners (elites) watering this tree because we are so high up in the tree we can't see the ground. I am hoping this is a deciduous tree as there seems to be a lot of leaves (untruths) falling off this tree and we are getting a glimpse of the ground. Perhaps Calz or Sid ;) will build us a tree house (meaning a summary/re-count) of what this thread has uncovered...

[Calz]

Well now ... isn't this interesting???

From Linda Moulton Howe's site a recent crop circle has been "decoded" to impart information about Enki.

Follow link for whole article. Also has lunar/solar timing worked into another circle.

Could be a timetable for Enki???

Could be nada???



8369


8370


June 20, 2011 - Poirino, Italy


June 20, 2011, crop formation in Poirino, Italy.
Aerial image © 2011 by Concesso l'uso a Space Freedom.
For more images and information: Cropcircleconnector.

Strob (George Costanza) on Circle Chasers Facebook writes: “The Poirino 2011 formation contains some coded information. Among other things, the outer rim contains the names ‘Enki Ea,’ coded in ASCII. These are names of a Sumerian god: Lord of the earth, god of water, creator of mankind.”
ASCII Code of June 20th Poirino Formation


June 20, 2011, crop formation in Poirino, Italy. Beginning at 69 = E and moving clockwise around the formation, the ASCII code lines spell Enki Ea. ASCII code analysis by Strob (George Costanza), Circle Chasers Facebook. Aerial image © 2011 by Concesso l'uso a Space Freedom. For more images and information: Cropcircleconnector.

Wikipedia says the name Enki translates to “Lord of the Earth.” His sacred number was 40 and Enki was linked to the constellation of stars known as the Square of Pegasus. It is Enki who decides to create humankind out of clay and blood to be servants to the Gods. Enki was also known as Ea in Akkadian and Babylonian mythology. See Websites below.


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1868&category=Environment

[oceanz]

The Last crop circle sort of looks like the 'Flower of Life':


http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/p-articles/flower-of-life.php
http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/images/new-thumbs180/flower-of-life-silver.jpg

Flower of life - Sacred Geometry pattern of the Universe
Flower of life - symbol of all major religion
The "Flower of Life" can be found in all major religions of the world. In Egypt, the source of all the monotheistic religions, the "Flower of Life" can be found in the ancient Temple of Abydos. In Israel it can be found in ancient synagogues in the Galilee and in Mesada. The "Flower of Life" contains the patterns of creation as they emerged from the "Great Void". Everything is made from the Creator's thought.

King Akhenaton Flower of LifeThe special qualities within the Flower of Life were taught in Egypt in the 18th Dynasty, during the reign of King Akhenaton. He established three schools of mysticism:

The Right Eye of Horus
dedicated to the left (masculine) side of the brain. This side controls logic, calculation as well as the ability to understand geometry and spatial relations. Its aim was to prove the existence of one spirit that exists everywhere and in everything.

The Left Eye of Horus
dedicated to the right (feminine) side of the brain (emotion and sensitivity side).

The Middle Eye of Horus
dedicated to life itself.

The Egyptians were aware of dimensions and referred to a higher level of existence called "The Fourth Dimension", known as the "after life". The aim of the schools was to reinstate the knowledge of the "One true force - the almighty" that exists everywhere and in everything. This knowledge which came from the advanced Atlantean race was lost 13,000 years ago with the destruction of Atlantis. This loss resulted in "good and evil", duality consciousness.

King Akhenaton, as a messenger of the ascended masters, reintroduced monotheism to his subjects whom, due to the long passage of time had forgotten this Atlantean knowledge. The Egyptian idols were only symbols of the one true God, the "Neter Neteru", that which is beyond definition. Egyptian mythology was transformed into a form of symbolic calculus, by which the sages interpreted the evolution of spiritual states and psychic landscapes. Her religious teachings promoted unity and monotheism but it was never defined beyond the simplistic "Neter Neteru". This Pharaoh's death left behind a legacy that was the source of all the modern monotheistic religions.

http://www.ka-gold-jewelry.com/images/new-thumbs150/patern-of-life-ring-big-silver.jpg

Edit: Hmm, thought I better mention about the Eye of Horus...
Okay, so why is the number 40 sacred to Enki?

[Lord Sidious]

Well now ... isn't this interesting???

From Linda Moulton Howe's site a recent crop circle has been "decoded" to impart information about Enki.

Follow link for whole article. Also has lunar/solar timing worked into another circle.

Could be a timetable for Enki???

Could be nada???



8369


8370


June 20, 2011 - Poirino, Italy


June 20, 2011, crop formation in Poirino, Italy.
Aerial image © 2011 by Concesso l'uso a Space Freedom.
For more images and information: Cropcircleconnector.

Strob (George Costanza) on Circle Chasers Facebook writes: “The Poirino 2011 formation contains some coded information. Among other things, the outer rim contains the names ‘Enki Ea,’ coded in ASCII. These are names of a Sumerian god: Lord of the earth, god of water, creator of mankind.”
ASCII Code of June 20th Poirino Formation


June 20, 2011, crop formation in Poirino, Italy. Beginning at 69 = E and moving clockwise around the formation, the ASCII code lines spell Enki Ea. ASCII code analysis by Strob (George Costanza), Circle Chasers Facebook. Aerial image © 2011 by Concesso l'uso a Space Freedom. For more images and information: Cropcircleconnector.

Wikipedia says the name Enki translates to “Lord of the Earth.” His sacred number was 40 and Enki was linked to the constellation of stars known as the Square of Pegasus. It is Enki who decides to create humankind out of clay and blood to be servants to the Gods. Enki was also known as Ea in Akkadian and Babylonian mythology. See Websites below.


http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1868&category=Environment

If enlil is jehovah and satan means the adversary, who is lord of this world in the old testament?

[observer]

[....snip]
If enlil is jehovah and satan means the adversary, who is lord of this world in the old testament?


The Cathar called this 'lord of the world', Rex Mundi (King of the Earth). See what standing in history that idea got them - totally purged. (look-up Catharsis in Websters dictionary)
Jesus told the Pharisees in the Eighth Chapter of John, "The God you worship is Satan". See where that got him in history.
The Old Testament refers to Jehovah Elohim numerous times. In ancient Hebrew, El is singular for God. Elohim is plural for 'more than one god'.


Just how many gods are there anyhow? (it's a rhetorical question)

[oceanz]

The Eye of Horus is used in the fiat currency but has anybody wondered where the term "Bull" market originates from (a bull'ish view of the financial market is an expected rise).

I'm sure somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the Gods wear 'bull' horns to show they are from Aldebaran (sp?).

Enlil:
http://www.crystalinks.com/enlilbw.gif

[Lord Sidious]

[....snip]
If enlil is jehovah and satan means the adversary, who is lord of this world in the old testament?


The Cathar called this 'lord of the world', Rex Mundi (King of the Earth). See what standing in history that idea got them - totally purged. (look-up Catharsis in Websters dictionary)
Jesus told the Pharisees in the Eighth Chapter of John, "The God you worship is Satan". See where that got him in history.
The Old Testament refers to Jehovah Elohim numerous times. In ancient Hebrew, El is singular for God. Elohim is plural for 'more than one god'.


Just how many gods are there anyhow? (it's a rhetorical question)

There is no need to guess the answer to my question, just do a search in an online bible.

[oceanz]

The number 40:


http://www.crystalinks.com/numerology4.html

40 = 4 = humanity's movement through time to completion, closure.

Forty seems to have many meanings associated with it; especially religious. Many important events in history are linked to 40.

It is the number of probation; trial; initiation; death.

As an elevation of four it is wholeness and totality.

The importance of the "forty days" probably comes from the Babylonian forty days' disappearance of the Pleiades, a period of rains, storms, floods and dangers. The return of the Pleiades was a time of rejoicing and a bundle of forty reeds was burned for the forty days of evil power.

The Roman "quarantine" kept ships isolated for forty days in the harbor.

Temples in Persia, Baalbec, Tartary, those of the Druids and the Temple of Ezekiel, had forty pillars.

Bible: Jesus spent forty days in the desert being tempted by the devil.

There are forty days to Lent, from which were from those forty days in the wilderness.

There are forty of the resurrection, from Easter to Ascension.

The are forty days to privileged sanctuary, and forty days to St. Swithin's weather.

In the Old Testament Moses spent forty days on Mount Sinai; Moses' spies spent forty days in Canaan and Caleb, one of them, was forty years old - For forty years the Jews wandered in the wilderness;

Forty days Elijah was in hiding; probation for Nineveh under Jonah;

In the Flood it rained for forty days and Noah's raven was sent out forty days after mountain- tops appeared;

Isaac was forty years old when he married Rebecca and Esau was also forty when he took a wife

It took forty days to embalm Jacob;

The standard legal beating consisted of forty blows;

Othniel, Caleb's brother, was victorious over 'The King of Mesopotamia" and brought peace for forty years, and the later defeat of Sisera again brought a forty-year peace; a little later Gideon subdued the Midianites bringing peace for - forty years

Abdon, one of the early Judges, had forty sons, but these were unable to prevent the Philistines from ruling Western Israel for forty years;

At Succoth Saul's army and the Philistines sat and looked at each other for forty days;

Ishbosheth, Saul's son, was forty years old when he began to reign over Israel,

David reigned for forty years, and as did Solomon.

Egypt: The forty days of the death and absence of Osiris - resurrection and rebirth - is a period of fasting) through the 'iris' or Eye.

Islamic: The number of change and death, but also of reconciliation and return to the principle. Mohammed received his "call" at forty years; the Quran should be read every forty days.

Mithraic: Forty is the number of days of initiation rites and of festivals and sacrifice.

In mathematics forty is an octagonal number, and as the sum of the first four pentagonal numbers, it is a pentagonal pyramidal number. Adding up some subsets of its divisors (e.g., 1, 4, 5, 10 and 20) gives 40, hence 40 is a semiperfect number.

[oceanz]

More on 40:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_(number)

Astronomy
The planet Venus forms a pentagram in the night sky every eight years with it returning to its original point every 40 years with a 40 day regression (some scholars believe that this ancient information was the basis for the number 40 becoming sacred to Jews, Christians, and Muslims
Messier object M40, a magnitude 9.0 double star in the constellation Ursa Major
The New General Catalogue object NGC 40, a magnitude 12.4 planetary nebula in the constellation Cepheus
The Saros number of the
solar eclipse series which began on -1653 May 28 and ended on -373 July 4. The duration of Saros series 40 was 1280.1 years, and it contained 72 solar eclipses.
lunar eclipse series which began on -1387 February 12 and ended on -71 April 12. The duration of Saros series 40 was 1316.2 years, and it contained 74 lunar eclipses.

Is Enlil's sacred number 10,000?

[Calz]

[....snip]
If enlil is jehovah and satan means the adversary, who is lord of this world in the old testament?


The Cathar called this 'lord of the world', Rex Mundi (King of the Earth). See what standing in history that idea got them - totally purged. (look-up Catharsis in Websters dictionary)
Jesus told the Pharisees in the Eighth Chapter of John, "The God you worship is Satan". See where that got him in history.
The Old Testament refers to Jehovah Elohim numerous times. In ancient Hebrew, El is singular for God. Elohim is plural for 'more than one god'.


Just how many gods are there anyhow? (it's a rhetorical question)

There is no need to guess the answer to my question, just do a search in an online bible.

I expect we are overlooking something obvious ... online bible search going nowhere ... must be using wrong words.

Search engine "lord of the earth old testament" goes all over the place but fwiw here is a parsing of old/new LORD/Lord ...


The LORD and the Lord

The LORD fills the pages of the Old Testament. The Old Testament has over 6000 references to the LORD. The LORD is revealed to be the Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, the God of Israel.
In short, the LORD is the God of the Old Testament.

The Lord Jesus fills the pages of the New Testament. He is revealed to be "that prophet," the Messiah, the son of God, the one who died and was raised again. Jesus is the Lord of the New Testament.

Is the LORD of the Old Testament the same Being as the Lord of the New Testament? That is to say, was the LORD in the Old Testament the one who became the Lord Jesus in the New Testament?
Is the LORD = the Lord? Are they one and the same Being? What does the evidence from the Bible say?

In order to identify those involved in our study, it is most helpful to call them by their names. In our English language Bibles, we read the name of God as "the LORD." This is, of course, not a name, but rather a title. The phrase "the LORD" is a substitution for the Hebrew name YHWH. YHWH is thought by some to be pronounced Yahweh, and by others to be Jehovah. Pronunciation aside (there is one right way to pronounce the name, but none of us are certain what it is), it is of great value to recognize that YHWH is his name—not to obtain salvation through pronunciation, but rather to properly identify who we are talking about. (I will use YaHWeH.) YaHWeH identified himself by revealing his name to us, in the Hebrew language:

•And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YaHWeH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15

•I am YaHWeH: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 42:8

Notice that in these verses, and thousands and thousands more like them, singular pronouns (I, me, my, mine) are used in connection with YaHWeH, the God of the Old Testament. YaHWeH is a single person, not a family. If the name YaHWeH referred to a family, the pronouns used would be plural (we, us, our, ours). The overwhelming number of pronouns used that refer to YaHWeH God are singular.

In our English language Bibles, the name of the Lord Messiah is rendered "Jesus." But the name that he called himself, and the name that family, friends, and foes called him was his Hebrew given name: Yeshua. This name is the same name as the leader who succeeded Moses, commonly (although erroneously) called Joshua. The name Yeshua means ‘Yahweh saves’—a perfect description of the life mission of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. Just as "Joshua" led the children of Israel into the promised land, Messiah Yeshua will lead the children of God into the promised land of the coming Kingdom of God.

The LORD (YaHWeH) and the Lord (Yeshua) have different names.


The LORD (YaHWeH) and the Lord (Yeshua) have different names
http://adonimessiah.blogspot.com/2006/11/lord-and-lord.html

[Calz]

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And by the way ... welcome back :laser:

[oceanz]

Sumerian Plates translated
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/sum07.htm

The creation of man concludes our study of Sumerian cosmogony, of the theories and concepts evolved by the Sumerians to explain the origin of the universe and the existence of gods and men. It cannot be sufficiently stressed that the Sumerian cosmogonic concepts, early as they are, are by no means primitive. They reflect the mature thought and reason of the thinking Sumerian as he contemplated the forces of nature and the character of his own existence. When these concepts are analyzed; when the theological cloak and polytheistic trappings are removed (although this is by no means always possible at present because of the limited character of our material as well as of our understanding and interpretation of its contents), the Sumerian creation concepts indicate a keenly observing mentality as well as an ability to draw and formulate pertinent conclusions from the data observed. Thus rationally expressed, the Sumerian cosmogonic concepts may be summarized as follows:

1. First was the primeval sea; it is not unlikely that it was conceived by the Sumerian as eternal and uncreated.

2. The primeval sea engendered a united heaven and earth.

3. Heaven and earth were conceived as solid elements. Between them, however, and from them, came the gaseous element air, whose main characteristic is that of expansion. Heaven and earth were thus separated by the expanding element air.

4. Air, being lighter and far less dense than either heaven or earth, succeeded in producing the moon, which may have been conceived by the Sumerians as made of the same stuff as air. The sun was conceived as born of the moon; that is, it emanated and developed from the moon just as the latter emanated and developed from air.

5. After heaven and earth had been separated, plant, animal, and human life became possible on earth; all life seems to have been conceived as resulting from a union of air, earth, and water; the sun, too, was probably involved. Unfortunately in this matter of production and reproduction of plant and animal life on earth, our extant material is very difficult to penetrate.

Transferred into theological language, these rationalistic Sumerian concepts may be described as follows:

1. First was the goddess Nammu, the primeval sea personified.

2. The goddess Nammu gave birth to An, the male heaven-god, and Ki, the earth-goddess.

3. The union of An and Ki produced the air-god Enlil, who proceeded to separate the heaven-father An from the earth-mother Ki.

4. Enlil, the air-god, now found himself living in utter darkness, with the sky, which may have been conceived by the Sumerians as made of pitch-dark lapis lazuli, forming the ceiling and walls of his house, and the surface of the earth, its floor. He therefore begot the moon-god Nanna to brighten the darkness of his house. The moon-god Nanna in turn begot the sun-god Utu, who became brighter than his father. It is not without interest to note here that the idea that the son, the begotten one, becomes stronger than the father, the begetter--in a deeper sense this is actually what happens in the development which we term progress--is native to the philosophy and psychology of the Near East. Enlil, the air-god, for example, becomes in historical times more powerful than his father An, the heaven-god. At a later date Marduk, the god of the Semitic Babylonians, becomes more powerful than his father Enki, the water-god. In the Christian dogma, Christ, the son, becomes in many ways more significant and pertinent for man and his salvation than God, the father.

5. Enlil, the air-god, now unites with his mother Ki, the earth-goddess. It is from this union but with considerable help from Enki, the water-god, that the vegetable and animal life is produced on earth. Man, on the other hand, seems to be the product of the combined efforts of the goddess Nammu, the primeval sea; of the goddess Ninmah, who may perhaps be identified with Ki, the mother earth; and finally of the water-god Enki. Just what is involved in this particular combination-and there is every reason to believe that in view of the more or less superficial data of the times there was good logic behind it and not mere playful fantasy--it is difficult to gather from our present material and limited understanding.

Interesting with the crop circles and the binary numbers used to determine Enki's name.


http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
Enki's emblem was two serpents [twin human DNA] entwined on a staff - the basis for the winged caduceus symbol used by modern Western medicine and the rod of Hermes.

http://www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.jpg

Reality is Binary Code
Reality is a consciousness program (hologram, simulation, illusion) created by digital codes. Numbers, numeric codes, define our existence. Human DNA, our genetic memory, is encoded to be triggered by digital codes at specific times and frequencies. Those codes awaken the mind to the change and evolution of consciousness. 11:11 is one of those codes, meaning activation of human DNA.

The brain processes through binary code - zeroes and ones that create patterns of experience and reality. 11 is part of that code... in this timeline associated with awakening the the nature of reality - who we are, why we are here and where it is all rapidly going. We exist in a consciousness computer simulation.

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwWMKC3U01w

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You're searching for your mind don't know where to start
Can't find the key to fit the lock on your heart
You think you know but you are never quite sure
Your soul is I'll but you will not find a cure

Your world was made for you by someone above
But you chose evil ways instead of love
You made me master of the world where you exist
The soul I took from you was not even missed

Lord of this world
Evil possessor
Lord of this world
He's your confessor now!

You think you're innocent you've nothing to fear
You don't know me, you said, but isn't it clear?
You turn to me in all your wordly greed and pride
But will you turn to me when it's your turn to die?

[davyj0nes]

The Eye of Horus is used in the fiat currency but has anybody wondered where the term "Bull" market originates from (a bull'ish view of the financial market is an expected rise). I'm sure somewhere in this thread somebody mentioned that the Gods wear 'bull' horns to show they are from Aldebaran (sp?).

its funny you mention this, the first thing i thought of when i read it was, in ancient canaanite mythology, El/Ilu is known as the Bull God. So a bull market would be El's market. and bullish view of the market being an expected rise, would mean they could see El is getting erect, for which he is so well known.
the ancients were so horny, lol.

[Davidallany]

Colonize the world through taxes and embargoes.
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[Calz]

More from Jay Weidner and some topics of interest with this thread.


Rise of the Archons

An interview with Jay Weidner on Rense Radio

Rense: Many people have heard the term “Archon” but would be hard-pressed to define it. What is an Archon?

Weidner: To begin with, I would draw attention to two articles on your site: The Global Coup d'Etat and the one about ownership of the world. The Queen of England owns one sixth of the non-ocean surface of the world; and keep that in mind as we go into the Archon subject. The Archons were whispered about in texts after the burning of the library at Alexandra with some mention of mysterious beings called Archons. But the powers that be spent 1,300 years cleaning up the records and had written out the Archons from our history. In 1947, texts were found in clay jars in Nag Hammadi in Egypt and, on these texts was a story of what the Nag Hammadi people, 2,000 years ago, thought the world was about.

The reason the Nag Hammadi texts, which date back 2,100 years (100 BC), are so important is that no-one has been able to put a spin on it [the texts have not been altered, destroyed or omitted as in the Bible], no-one has been able to distort or destroy them which is what they’d really like to do [to keep the information and knowledge from the masses]. Luckily, they survived, were successfully translated and when many people read them, they found a clear and defined discussion of what these Archons are. The texts had been buried in a deep cave in Egypt, in order to protect the most important information that they had.

Rense: There are 13 codices containing over 50 texts, which is quite a substantial amount of writing.

Weidner: A highly descriptive document of an entirely different world [from the one we know]. People don’t realise that, 2,000 years ago, there was a religion on this planet called Gnosticism, which was the biggest religion on earth at the time, was vying with Hinduism. You could go take a university course on the history of religions now and wouldn’t even find a mention of Gnosticism. The Nag Hammadi texts provide a description for what the Gnostics believed. Gnostic is a Greek word meaning knowledge – gnosis. The Gnostics believe that liberation can only be achieved by knowledge, by the consumption and evaluation of reality through knowledge. The library at Alexandria was run by Gnostics and they were the first people to collect scrolls and books and assemble this information. Their culture spread throughout Europe and the Middle East. This was long before the advent of the Western religions outside of Judaism which was mostly concentrated in Israel. Gnostics preached that there was an invasion that occurred about 3,600 BC and, about 1,600 years before the Nag Hammadi texts were buried, they wrote that this invasion was like a virus and, in fact, they were hard pressed to describe it. The beings that were invading were called Archons. These Archons had the ability to duplicate reality, to fool us. They were jealous of us because we have an essence of some kind, a soul, that they don’t possess, and the Nag Hammadi texts describe the Archons. One looks like a reptile and the other looks like an unformed baby or a foetus. It is partially living and partially non-living and has grey skin and dark, unmoving eyes. The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors.

Rense: How are they duplicating reality? Is it by using consciousness?

Weidner: Yes, according to the texts, they can get into people and can manipulate people to do things very suddenly that are very odd. But also they are actually responsible for the deterioration of culture, so unlike the culture of the ancient Greeks or Chinese but a cheap façade of a culture. As the Archonic presence has spread across the earth and has escalated in the 20th century, you can see that they are responsible for sprawl and the mass ugliness that is everywhere.

Television is an example of Archonic imitation.

Humans are imitated on television but the imitation is altered and is nearly always obscene and profane because the Archons not only do not understand the sacred but they hate it. They are jealous of the natural world and of human beings with the natural world. Also of sexual relationships: loving couples make them angry and they love violence and are sexually titillated by anger and war and death. They create war to consume energy from the dying.

Rense: The Archons seem to be making their big move now, at this time. You can find out about the Nag Hammadi Library on the Internet, which is the living record of the great Gnostic movement. Gnostics and Templars seem to have been all but cleansed from history. How, in the texts, have the Archons been described as coming here? Is there any reference to their mode of transit, travel?

Weidner: Supposedly, they live or lurk outside the inner planets near Saturn i.e. in our solar system. The Gnostics thought that Jehovah was an alien, off planet, demon and that he was a fake god – a masquerading Archon again - duplicating reality. They did believe in God, they believed in what they called the one true God and that’s how they always defined it. Interestingly, Jesus defined his belief as being of the one true God, always delineating it. I believe many of the stories of Jesus are actually Gnostic myths about a possible rebellion against the Archons who came down very severely on the rebel.

So the Archons were released somehow from a prison – and this is probably what The Book of Enoch is about – where he said he took the demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the end of time. Jesus was very interested in relating this idea that something was going to happen at the end of time. So you see this illusion going on and then we see also that when Sitchin translated the texts, the cuneiform tablets, that the Annunaki are probably also the Archons. So we can learn more about the Archons by reading about the Annunaki who came here and altered us genetically [using our DNA] so that they could make slaves of us. So we can work out a picture of what these Archonic forces are. They were somehow successfully quelled and then began their re-emergence and they are as close to immortal as we could understand and that’s why their plan is so precise but they needed time to gain power because, the people of the earth were essentially Gnostics who were resistant to, and didn’t believe in the “religion” that was being foisted on them where they must be fearful of an angry, war god called Jehovah. But eventually, the forces of Jehovah conquered the last of them and now they are pretty much in control of the system and are getting ready for the final, gleeful [sarcastic] orgy of despair and horror [imposed upon humans] which is what they like. So, following Tim Rifat and his horrific description of what is about to happen. This is very appropriate, very accurate because this is exactly what they want to occur.

When I did a show for the History Channel last year, I shot it so that it would not end up making people fearful. I shot it so that it didn’t have any fearful footage and they went behind my back and they shot more footage without my knowing and they filled this special, for which I was one of the producers, resulting in two hours of terrorising fear. This is the head of a major network. I think the Archons are involved in some bizarre pornography where they are here and they are perverting us and enjoying every last second of it and we’re letting it happen and I don’t know if there’s any escape from it because now they’ve made it almost desirable to be violent and perverted and sick.

Rense: Ask any young person what their life is like and you will hear much of what Jay Weidner is describing. There was a news story, the average 14-year old watches an average of one and half hours of hard core porn per week. There are current terms that we use which could be ascribed to Archon activity: Zionists, megalomaniacs, but this evil that we’re talking about certainly has been around for a long, long time.

Weidner: It’s highly organized and beyond human and one of my reasons for delving more deeply into the subject, was that I could see that the organization was just too effective and too trans-generational [to be earthly] and that’s when I found John Lamb Lash’s book, which I highly recommend, called “Not in His Image” about the Nag Hammadi and the Archons. We must realize that we can tell which ideas are the truest by how much they are repressed. When they are suppressing an idea, a language, or individuals [or a way of being] you know you have accessed the truth or that individual is portraying the truth. The Gnostics were completely wiped out. One group of people that were exposing that they were being invaded by these duplicators, these Archons – were wiped out of history. They were wiped out completely. They called them pagans and other names but that is not what they named themselves, which was Gnostics who were very knowledgeable. They knew at the center of the galaxy were millions of stars, they knew how far the sun was from the earth. They were incredibly advanced people and the undertow of this one war-god religion spread across the entire world and now it’s going to burn itself up in a conflagration where all the Jehovah worshiping religions are going to murder each other – which has always been the point.

I really hate to say this but we have all been fooled. The whole idea that some kind of messiah is going to come to save us is an Archon trick to make you think you don’t have to do anything about your present situation, no accountability. Maybe some supernatural force will come but I think you have to look at how this oppression occurred and why it was written out of history. When you begin to look back, you realize the early Christian, from the time of Jesus to the time of Constantine in 310 AD, they were preaching that they did not worship Jehovah; they worshiped the one true God. It could be argued that the early Christians were actually Gnostic followers of Jesus instead of what we, today, call Christians. The entire New Testament was completely rewritten by Constantine and all of the information on the Archons was removed and the ideas of Jehovah being a cruel god were lessened. This is a fact. The Nag Hammadi texts are older than the New Testament by 400 years. The New Testament that we have today wasn’t concocted until about 350 AD. When you go back to the Nag Hammadi, it doesn’t have the sin factor; they say what they really think.

Rense: The issue of someone coming here to save us, whether it’s the second coming of Christ, a spiritual master or ET which may be the most sorry line of them all. This is the most damaging of all to take humans off the hook of responsibility.

Weidner: I agree. It’s an abuser/abused relationship. What these religions have done is beat us with a stick with nails and, whilst they are beating us, they are telling us they love us and that they are doing it because they love us. It’s a trick, a reversal of reality that the Archons are always doing. They are always trying to convince you that war is peace, that love is hate. Everything is always backwards and the ultimate in this duplication. Once you can see it, you are able to see that everything is being turned into a head-over-heels con trick where everything is reversed. I don’t know how we get out of this except to talk about it and people are very afraid. Even scholars who know about the Archons are very afraid to talk about them in public because you attract Archonic energy by even mentioning them but, at this late stage in the game, we have to start thinking about who is fooling us and why they are doing it – and study what the ancients had to say about all of it.

Rense: Many people look into the media – not the mainstream media – for information. So who are these Archons now? These are Talmudic Zionists, to a large degree. They are part of it, perhaps they are the central core of it. We need to start looking at the name values are and where their DNA says they came from, the Czarian Empire. They adopted Judaism and used it like a stick to beat people and hide behind at the same time which is a great tragedy for true, honest and Jews of good heart and there are millions of them. So they are being used perhaps more cruelly and ruthlessly than any other group. This is a summation, a viable thesis as to why there is so much cogent evil on the planet and why so many deaths in the last century – well over 100 million people have been killed and something is feeding psychically off the energy of these events.

There is a blood lust, a very dark and evil satanic blood lust and we are, apparently, well in the hands of these beings now. They have made their plans long ago and intensified them over the last two hundred years and they’ve pulled it off. They’re doing it without any stealth now. They’re pushing it in the faces of an ever dumber and helpless American populus. Did the Gnostics leave any strategies in the Nag Hammadi texts or anywhere else or any ideas to attack or subvert this evil?

Weidner: The Gnostics believed that there were advanced beings who actually care for us and that there was a bet or forecast made that the advanced beings’ creation i.e. human beings, would one day stop falling for the tricks of the Archons and wake up and they provided avenues for this to happen. One thing that is certain is that the Archons hate more than anything after love is courage. They cannot stand up to courage or a clear, articulate debate because their own premises are built entirely on falsity. It’s all false and so we can begin deconstructing history by seeing through the lies. By observing outside the box, outside the norm, you can see the tricks of the Archons. Everything they do is fake, it is not real and has no history, no veracity. It is always a parasitical living off others. Anyone who is following this mad, insane god, Jehovah, will be lead to their death for certain. If you think there’s a reward for you for serving the Archons, I assure you there is not. As they hate courage, stand up to them. They will try to destroy, try to tear you down and do everything they can but nothing makes them shudder in fear more than someone standing up to them and they always overreact to it because they are cowards and terrified themselves.

They don’t believe in an afterlife and there may not be an afterlife for Archons but I think there is for humans and that humans are a divine principle. This is also what the Gnostics say and we were gifted with intelligence and reasoning and this is what makes the Archons so angry and jealous of us because we have this innate, creative intelligence, which can almost solve any problem.

Solving the Archon problem may very well be the test. The final test of humanity is can you define the Archon problem and solve it? The thing that will solve the Archon dilemma more than anything is to love each other unconditionally. That just drives them out of their minds. They cannot stand familial love or the love between men and women and that’s why they do all these things to destroy the pureness of it. If you look at the path of modernity, it’s one attempt after another to remove any sense of purity even from the children. It is really hard for them because children of 6 or 7 years old who watch television see things that probably no human should even see. The same thing is true about the horror films, these are all Archonic tricks to desensitize people so that they create even higher levels of violence when that point becomes necessary for them, so they can become satiated. Because that’s what they are doing, drawing energy from us because they have no intrinsic assets.

Rense: The whole idea of the Archon controlled media is to desensitize the masses and reprogram them with the most base of drives and instincts.

Weidner: I don’t watch television but I was at a conference recently and switched on the television in the hotel room and was bombarded with people getting killed, all kinds of sex going on.

Rense: I won’t have a television in my home and got rid of it over 21 years ago.

Weidner: Television images are the fastest way into your mind.

Rense: The saddest thing is that this is all self-policing. They understand how the masses work perfectly and peer pressure. They understand the drive of young people defining themselves in order to be accepted by a group and they know that no-one wants to be threatened by expulsion from a group. So we get stories like the one last week: British middle school age students who are very bright, gifted kids on the fast track, individuals are now dumbing themselves down so they can have friends.

Weidner: It happened to me in school. I had to play stupid so my peers would get along with me and would stop beating me up.

Rense: Intelligence is viewed as arrogance and conceit by those who don’t have it or don’t want it.

Weidner: They are against gnosis, they are against knowledge. The defining myth of Western mythology is that Jehovah told Adam and Eve that they could not eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Not only that but if they did eat of it, they would surely die. Yet they both ate of it and didn’t die so he wasn’t even telling them the truth.

This essential core myth that we’re being told from the very beginning is that we are to stay stupid and if you attempt to smarten yourself up, you will be punished. This central myth is the reason we are caught in this nightmare world of abused relationship where they beat us up whilst telling us how much they love us and say, don’t worry, some saviour somewhere is going to save you. You don’t have to do anything, just lay there because it’s going to come in an alien spaceship or the clouds or Obama.

Rense: Many of the photographs of Obama picture him, as they did Bush, with halo-like lighting above his head. Look at the video of Obama on www.rense.com and his deep-waisted bow at the same time as holding his right hand with the King Abdullah of Saudi, which they denied and at the photo shoot, see him grinning from ear to ear. He is as phoney as they get.

Weidner: Yes, and the thing with the Archons is, as soon as you get rid of one, they will trick you and just produce another face. Islam is not what we want to have in this world either. It is another form of Archonic trickery. I’m not saying we shouldn’t believe in the spiritual world, I do, but I’m saying we have to be a lot more discerning about what is being forced upon us.

Rense: I’m seeing the most primitive behaviour now, rising up, as more of the second and third world climbs up the metaphorical ladder.

Weidner: If anyone thinks that we are not being targeted by foreign powers with that president and our current state weakness, well they are out of their mind.

Rense: If they have any minds left to get out of anymore! We are heading towards a conflagration, as you say, there’s no question about it. When and how, we don’t yet know but please do prepare. We’re talking about food, protection, common sense, growing your own food. The Archons have made it very difficult for anyone to live a healthy life because of the constant toxicity pumped into their bodies, the air they breathe, the water they drink but beyond that, but also through energetic subjugation of the masses through cell-phone radiation, all kinds of ELFs and EMFs, Gwen towers, the HAARP projects (including the mobile HAARPs that can be set up anywhere), so there is a tremendous amount of these technologies. All of the telephones all of the media can come through the electricity into your homes, everything can be carried over the electric grid, as we know.

The issue is, they know that, too.


http://jayweidner.com/Archons.html