Has white man colonised planet Earth?

[Andrew]

More from Jay Weidner and some topics of interest with this thread.


Rise of the Archons

An interview with Jay Weidner on Rense Radio

Rense: Many people have heard the term “Archon” but would be hard-pressed to define it. What is an Archon?

Weidner: To begin with, I would draw attention to two articles on your site: The Global Coup d'Etat and the one about ownership of the world. The Queen of England owns one sixth of the non-ocean surface of the world; and keep that in mind as we go into the Archon subject. The Archons were whispered about in texts after the burning of the library at Alexandra with some mention of mysterious beings called Archons. But the powers that be spent 1,300 years cleaning up the records and had written out the Archons from our history. In 1947, texts were found in clay jars in Nag Hammadi in Egypt and, on these texts was a story of what the Nag Hammadi people, 2,000 years ago, thought the world was about.

The reason the Nag Hammadi texts, which date back 2,100 years (100 BC), are so important is that no-one has been able to put a spin on it [the texts have not been altered, destroyed or omitted as in the Bible], no-one has been able to distort or destroy them which is what they’d really like to do [to keep the information and knowledge from the masses]. Luckily, they survived, were successfully translated and when many people read them, they found a clear and defined discussion of what these Archons are. The texts had been buried in a deep cave in Egypt, in order to protect the most important information that they had.

Rense: There are 13 codices containing over 50 texts, which is quite a substantial amount of writing.

Weidner: A highly descriptive document of an entirely different world [from the one we know]. People don’t realise that, 2,000 years ago, there was a religion on this planet called Gnosticism, which was the biggest religion on earth at the time, was vying with Hinduism. You could go take a university course on the history of religions now and wouldn’t even find a mention of Gnosticism. The Nag Hammadi texts provide a description for what the Gnostics believed. Gnostic is a Greek word meaning knowledge – gnosis. The Gnostics believe that liberation can only be achieved by knowledge, by the consumption and evaluation of reality through knowledge. The library at Alexandria was run by Gnostics and they were the first people to collect scrolls and books and assemble this information. Their culture spread throughout Europe and the Middle East. This was long before the advent of the Western religions outside of Judaism which was mostly concentrated in Israel. Gnostics preached that there was an invasion that occurred about 3,600 BC and, about 1,600 years before the Nag Hammadi texts were buried, they wrote that this invasion was like a virus and, in fact, they were hard pressed to describe it. The beings that were invading were called Archons. These Archons had the ability to duplicate reality, to fool us. They were jealous of us because we have an essence of some kind, a soul, that they don’t possess, and the Nag Hammadi texts describe the Archons. One looks like a reptile and the other looks like an unformed baby or a foetus. It is partially living and partially non-living and has grey skin and dark, unmoving eyes. The Archons are duplicating reality so that when we buy into it, when we come to believe that the duplicated, false state reality is the real reality - then they become the victors.

Rense: How are they duplicating reality? Is it by using consciousness?

Weidner: Yes, according to the texts, they can get into people and can manipulate people to do things very suddenly that are very odd. But also they are actually responsible for the deterioration of culture, so unlike the culture of the ancient Greeks or Chinese but a cheap façade of a culture. As the Archonic presence has spread across the earth and has escalated in the 20th century, you can see that they are responsible for sprawl and the mass ugliness that is everywhere.

Television is an example of Archonic imitation.

Humans are imitated on television but the imitation is altered and is nearly always obscene and profane because the Archons not only do not understand the sacred but they hate it. They are jealous of the natural world and of human beings with the natural world. Also of sexual relationships: loving couples make them angry and they love violence and are sexually titillated by anger and war and death. They create war to consume energy from the dying.

Rense: The Archons seem to be making their big move now, at this time. You can find out about the Nag Hammadi Library on the Internet, which is the living record of the great Gnostic movement. Gnostics and Templars seem to have been all but cleansed from history. How, in the texts, have the Archons been described as coming here? Is there any reference to their mode of transit, travel?

Weidner: Supposedly, they live or lurk outside the inner planets near Saturn i.e. in our solar system. The Gnostics thought that Jehovah was an alien, off planet, demon and that he was a fake god – a masquerading Archon again - duplicating reality. They did believe in God, they believed in what they called the one true God and that’s how they always defined it. Interestingly, Jesus defined his belief as being of the one true God, always delineating it. I believe many of the stories of Jesus are actually Gnostic myths about a possible rebellion against the Archons who came down very severely on the rebel.

So the Archons were released somehow from a prison – and this is probably what The Book of Enoch is about – where he said he took the demons and locked them in a box but that they would come back at the end of time. Jesus was very interested in relating this idea that something was going to happen at the end of time. So you see this illusion going on and then we see also that when Sitchin translated the texts, the cuneiform tablets, that the Annunaki are probably also the Archons. So we can learn more about the Archons by reading about the Annunaki who came here and altered us genetically [using our DNA] so that they could make slaves of us. So we can work out a picture of what these Archonic forces are. They were somehow successfully quelled and then began their re-emergence and they are as close to immortal as we could understand and that’s why their plan is so precise but they needed time to gain power because, the people of the earth were essentially Gnostics who were resistant to, and didn’t believe in the “religion” that was being foisted on them where they must be fearful of an angry, war god called Jehovah. But eventually, the forces of Jehovah conquered the last of them and now they are pretty much in control of the system and are getting ready for the final, gleeful [sarcastic] orgy of despair and horror [imposed upon humans] which is what they like. So, following Tim Rifat and his horrific description of what is about to happen. This is very appropriate, very accurate because this is exactly what they want to occur.

When I did a show for the History Channel last year, I shot it so that it would not end up making people fearful. I shot it so that it didn’t have any fearful footage and they went behind my back and they shot more footage without my knowing and they filled this special, for which I was one of the producers, resulting in two hours of terrorising fear. This is the head of a major network. I think the Archons are involved in some bizarre pornography where they are here and they are perverting us and enjoying every last second of it and we’re letting it happen and I don’t know if there’s any escape from it because now they’ve made it almost desirable to be violent and perverted and sick.

Rense: Ask any young person what their life is like and you will hear much of what Jay Weidner is describing. There was a news story, the average 14-year old watches an average of one and half hours of hard core porn per week. There are current terms that we use which could be ascribed to Archon activity: Zionists, megalomaniacs, but this evil that we’re talking about certainly has been around for a long, long time.

Weidner: It’s highly organized and beyond human and one of my reasons for delving more deeply into the subject, was that I could see that the organization was just too effective and too trans-generational [to be earthly] and that’s when I found John Lamb Lash’s book, which I highly recommend, called “Not in His Image” about the Nag Hammadi and the Archons. We must realize that we can tell which ideas are the truest by how much they are repressed. When they are suppressing an idea, a language, or individuals [or a way of being] you know you have accessed the truth or that individual is portraying the truth. The Gnostics were completely wiped out. One group of people that were exposing that they were being invaded by these duplicators, these Archons – were wiped out of history. They were wiped out completely. They called them pagans and other names but that is not what they named themselves, which was Gnostics who were very knowledgeable. They knew at the center of the galaxy were millions of stars, they knew how far the sun was from the earth. They were incredibly advanced people and the undertow of this one war-god religion spread across the entire world and now it’s going to burn itself up in a conflagration where all the Jehovah worshiping religions are going to murder each other – which has always been the point.

I really hate to say this but we have all been fooled. The whole idea that some kind of messiah is going to come to save us is an Archon trick to make you think you don’t have to do anything about your present situation, no accountability. Maybe some supernatural force will come but I think you have to look at how this oppression occurred and why it was written out of history. When you begin to look back, you realize the early Christian, from the time of Jesus to the time of Constantine in 310 AD, they were preaching that they did not worship Jehovah; they worshiped the one true God. It could be argued that the early Christians were actually Gnostic followers of Jesus instead of what we, today, call Christians. The entire New Testament was completely rewritten by Constantine and all of the information on the Archons was removed and the ideas of Jehovah being a cruel god were lessened. This is a fact. The Nag Hammadi texts are older than the New Testament by 400 years. The New Testament that we have today wasn’t concocted until about 350 AD. When you go back to the Nag Hammadi, it doesn’t have the sin factor; they say what they really think.

Rense: The issue of someone coming here to save us, whether it’s the second coming of Christ, a spiritual master or ET which may be the most sorry line of them all. This is the most damaging of all to take humans off the hook of responsibility.

Weidner: I agree. It’s an abuser/abused relationship. What these religions have done is beat us with a stick with nails and, whilst they are beating us, they are telling us they love us and that they are doing it because they love us. It’s a trick, a reversal of reality that the Archons are always doing. They are always trying to convince you that war is peace, that love is hate. Everything is always backwards and the ultimate in this duplication. Once you can see it, you are able to see that everything is being turned into a head-over-heels con trick where everything is reversed. I don’t know how we get out of this except to talk about it and people are very afraid. Even scholars who know about the Archons are very afraid to talk about them in public because you attract Archonic energy by even mentioning them but, at this late stage in the game, we have to start thinking about who is fooling us and why they are doing it – and study what the ancients had to say about all of it.

Rense: Many people look into the media – not the mainstream media – for information. So who are these Archons now? These are Talmudic Zionists, to a large degree. They are part of it, perhaps they are the central core of it. We need to start looking at the name values are and where their DNA says they came from, the Czarian Empire. They adopted Judaism and used it like a stick to beat people and hide behind at the same time which is a great tragedy for true, honest and Jews of good heart and there are millions of them. So they are being used perhaps more cruelly and ruthlessly than any other group. This is a summation, a viable thesis as to why there is so much cogent evil on the planet and why so many deaths in the last century – well over 100 million people have been killed and something is feeding psychically off the energy of these events.

There is a blood lust, a very dark and evil satanic blood lust and we are, apparently, well in the hands of these beings now. They have made their plans long ago and intensified them over the last two hundred years and they’ve pulled it off. They’re doing it without any stealth now. They’re pushing it in the faces of an ever dumber and helpless American populus. Did the Gnostics leave any strategies in the Nag Hammadi texts or anywhere else or any ideas to attack or subvert this evil?

Weidner: The Gnostics believed that there were advanced beings who actually care for us and that there was a bet or forecast made that the advanced beings’ creation i.e. human beings, would one day stop falling for the tricks of the Archons and wake up and they provided avenues for this to happen. One thing that is certain is that the Archons hate more than anything after love is courage. They cannot stand up to courage or a clear, articulate debate because their own premises are built entirely on falsity. It’s all false and so we can begin deconstructing history by seeing through the lies. By observing outside the box, outside the norm, you can see the tricks of the Archons. Everything they do is fake, it is not real and has no history, no veracity. It is always a parasitical living off others. Anyone who is following this mad, insane god, Jehovah, will be lead to their death for certain. If you think there’s a reward for you for serving the Archons, I assure you there is not. As they hate courage, stand up to them. They will try to destroy, try to tear you down and do everything they can but nothing makes them shudder in fear more than someone standing up to them and they always overreact to it because they are cowards and terrified themselves.

They don’t believe in an afterlife and there may not be an afterlife for Archons but I think there is for humans and that humans are a divine principle. This is also what the Gnostics say and we were gifted with intelligence and reasoning and this is what makes the Archons so angry and jealous of us because we have this innate, creative intelligence, which can almost solve any problem.

Solving the Archon problem may very well be the test. The final test of humanity is can you define the Archon problem and solve it? The thing that will solve the Archon dilemma more than anything is to love each other unconditionally. That just drives them out of their minds. They cannot stand familial love or the love between men and women and that’s why they do all these things to destroy the pureness of it. If you look at the path of modernity, it’s one attempt after another to remove any sense of purity even from the children. It is really hard for them because children of 6 or 7 years old who watch television see things that probably no human should even see. The same thing is true about the horror films, these are all Archonic tricks to desensitize people so that they create even higher levels of violence when that point becomes necessary for them, so they can become satiated. Because that’s what they are doing, drawing energy from us because they have no intrinsic assets.

Rense: The whole idea of the Archon controlled media is to desensitize the masses and reprogram them with the most base of drives and instincts.

Weidner: I don’t watch television but I was at a conference recently and switched on the television in the hotel room and was bombarded with people getting killed, all kinds of sex going on.

Rense: I won’t have a television in my home and got rid of it over 21 years ago.

Weidner: Television images are the fastest way into your mind.

Rense: The saddest thing is that this is all self-policing. They understand how the masses work perfectly and peer pressure. They understand the drive of young people defining themselves in order to be accepted by a group and they know that no-one wants to be threatened by expulsion from a group. So we get stories like the one last week: British middle school age students who are very bright, gifted kids on the fast track, individuals are now dumbing themselves down so they can have friends.

Weidner: It happened to me in school. I had to play stupid so my peers would get along with me and would stop beating me up.

Rense: Intelligence is viewed as arrogance and conceit by those who don’t have it or don’t want it.

Weidner: They are against gnosis, they are against knowledge. The defining myth of Western mythology is that Jehovah told Adam and Eve that they could not eat of the Tree of Knowledge. Not only that but if they did eat of it, they would surely die. Yet they both ate of it and didn’t die so he wasn’t even telling them the truth.

This essential core myth that we’re being told from the very beginning is that we are to stay stupid and if you attempt to smarten yourself up, you will be punished. This central myth is the reason we are caught in this nightmare world of abused relationship where they beat us up whilst telling us how much they love us and say, don’t worry, some saviour somewhere is going to save you. You don’t have to do anything, just lay there because it’s going to come in an alien spaceship or the clouds or Obama.

Rense: Many of the photographs of Obama picture him, as they did Bush, with halo-like lighting above his head. Look at the video of Obama on www.rense.com and his deep-waisted bow at the same time as holding his right hand with the King Abdullah of Saudi, which they denied and at the photo shoot, see him grinning from ear to ear. He is as phoney as they get.

Weidner: Yes, and the thing with the Archons is, as soon as you get rid of one, they will trick you and just produce another face. Islam is not what we want to have in this world either. It is another form of Archonic trickery. I’m not saying we shouldn’t believe in the spiritual world, I do, but I’m saying we have to be a lot more discerning about what is being forced upon us.

Rense: I’m seeing the most primitive behaviour now, rising up, as more of the second and third world climbs up the metaphorical ladder.

Weidner: If anyone thinks that we are not being targeted by foreign powers with that president and our current state weakness, well they are out of their mind.

Rense: If they have any minds left to get out of anymore! We are heading towards a conflagration, as you say, there’s no question about it. When and how, we don’t yet know but please do prepare. We’re talking about food, protection, common sense, growing your own food. The Archons have made it very difficult for anyone to live a healthy life because of the constant toxicity pumped into their bodies, the air they breathe, the water they drink but beyond that, but also through energetic subjugation of the masses through cell-phone radiation, all kinds of ELFs and EMFs, Gwen towers, the HAARP projects (including the mobile HAARPs that can be set up anywhere), so there is a tremendous amount of these technologies. All of the telephones all of the media can come through the electricity into your homes, everything can be carried over the electric grid, as we know.

The issue is, they know that, too.


http://jayweidner.com/Archons.html

any link for the show to listen?

[Calz]

You would need to search Rense archives ... I just took the text from Weidner's site.

[Calz]

Lord of this world
Evil possessor
Lord of this world
He's your confessor now!



Hmmmm ... I have to "confess" that was the first time I have done an online bible search.

Not what I was expecting to find (although I *do*, in fact, still have that album on vinyl ... just no turntable to play it on :hippie: )

[Lord Sidious]

Lord of this world
Evil possessor
Lord of this world
He's your confessor now!



Hmmmm ... I have to "confess" that was the first time I have done an online bible search.

Not what I was expecting to find (although I *do*, in fact, still have that album on vinyl ... just no turntable to play it on :hippie: )

Lord of this world in the bible is satan.
And satan being the adversary is enki.

[observer]

[....snip]
....any link for the show to listen?

I've been researching the 'soul harvesting' phenomenon for several years now, Andrew.

The subject of Archons came-up quite a while ago in my research. Weidner, John Lear, Alex Collier, and a few others are the only ones speaking on this subject that I've discovered so far.

As I stated in my comment #489, the Cathar hold a key to an understanding of 'soul harvesting'. This is why in the year 1209 Pope Innocent sent his Albigensian Crusaders into the Languedoc region of France with the instructions, "kill them all, let God sort it out" !!!

Here's a link to the a page in the bibliotecapleyades.net archives that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the subject of Archons. If you scroll-down the index, you will find a link to the radio show you seek. Look for 'Rise of the Archons':

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons.htm

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NOTE To Sidious:
I'm not amused by your banter. Upon following your suggestion, a search of several online Bible sites yielded no results. Your insertion of an irreverent Black Sabbath song offers no positive conclusions for the spirit of this thread.

My suggestion to you would be, make your comments clear and to the point. Being the top poster on the forum has no status if your comments have no value.

[Calz]

Lord of this world in the bible is satan.
And satan being the adversary is enki.

Enki is where I first thought you were heading ... but the online bible search really threw me for a loop. :wacko2:

What is your take on "Anu" the alleged father of Enlil and Enki and ruler of Nibiru???

[Andrew]

I've been researching the 'soul harvesting' phenomenon for several years now, Andrew.

The subject of Archons came-up quite a while ago in my research. Weidner, John Lear, Alex Collier, and a few others are the only ones speaking on this subject that I've discovered so far.

As I stated in my comment #489, the Cathar hold a key to an understanding of 'soul harvesting'. This is why in the year 1209 Pope Innocent sent his Albigensian Crusaders into the Languedoc region of France with the instructions, "kill them all, let God sort it out" !!!

Here's a link to the a page in the bibliotecapleyades.net archives that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the subject of Archons. If you scroll-down the index, you will find a link to the radio show you seek. Look for 'Rise of the Archons':

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons.htm

****

Thanks for that, looks like it will be an interesting read then the radio show as well, my Sunday sorted for now :)
EDIT: Maybe not still only a transcript for the show :(

[Calz]

[....snip]
....any link for the show to listen?

I've been researching the 'soul harvesting' phenomenon for several years now, Andrew.

The subject of Archons came-up quite a while ago in my research. Weidner, John Lear, Alex Collier, and a few others are the only ones speaking on this subject that I've discovered so far.

As I stated in my comment #489, the Cathar hold a key to an understanding of 'soul harvesting'. This is why in the year 1209 Pope Innocent sent his Albigensian Crusaders into the Languedoc region of France with the instructions, "kill them all, let God sort it out" !!!

Here's a link to the a page in the bibliotecapleyades.net archives that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the subject of Archons. If you scroll-down the index, you will find a link to the radio show you seek. Look for 'Rise of the Archons':

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons.htm

****

NOTE To Sidious:
I'm not amused by your banter. Upon following your suggestion, a search of several online Bible sites yielded no results. Your insertion of an irreverent Black Sabbath song offers no positive conclusions for the spirit of this thread.

My suggestion to you would be, make your comments clear and to the point. Being the top poster on the forum has no status if your comments have no value.

Thanks for your contribution from your experience on the Archons.

I think that is important and I will follow up as it ties into several things of interest.


That said ... Sid has made an extraordinary contribution to this (and many other) thread(s).

Many suggest it does little good to "spoon feed" the answers ... those willing to investigate and make an effort to learn on their own will gain dramatically more from the process.

And some of the looney nuggets like myself appreciate some humor added into the mix.

Top poster = biggest bullseye.

Please try to be more understanding. Nobody here "owes" anybody else any answers.

We are here voluntarily to help each other :grouphug:

[Lord Sidious]

[....snip]
....any link for the show to listen?

I've been researching the 'soul harvesting' phenomenon for several years now, Andrew.

The subject of Archons came-up quite a while ago in my research. Weidner, John Lear, Alex Collier, and a few others are the only ones speaking on this subject that I've discovered so far.

As I stated in my comment #489, the Cathar hold a key to an understanding of 'soul harvesting'. This is why in the year 1209 Pope Innocent sent his Albigensian Crusaders into the Languedoc region of France with the instructions, "kill them all, let God sort it out" !!!

Here's a link to the a page in the bibliotecapleyades.net archives that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the subject of Archons. If you scroll-down the index, you will find a link to the radio show you seek. Look for 'Rise of the Archons':

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons.htm

****

NOTE To Sidious:
I'm not amused by your banter. Upon following your suggestion, a search of several online Bible sites yielded no results. Your insertion of an irreverent Black Sabbath song offers no positive conclusions for the spirit of this thread.

My suggestion to you would be, make your comments clear and to the point. Being the top poster on the forum has no status if your comments have no value.

If you believe my comments have no value, is that about you or me?
Be amused or not, that is up to you.
If you can't find that term, again, is that about you or me?
And how do you know that song is irrelevant if you don't know what I am talking about?

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-4.htm
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010504.htm

The point of my method of posting is to get you guys to think for yourselves and do some reading for yourselves without resorting to people drip feeding you.



What is your take on "Anu" the alleged father of Enlil and Enki and ruler of Nibiru???

Not sure yet.

[thunder24]

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-4.htm

LS is this scripture, an example of enlilites writting of the bible to portray enki as a deciever, blinder, satan? Just trying to clarify, sorry for being slow.
and then does this mean Enki is the ruler of the world right now, or are things being put upon him that should be put on his brother?
peace

sorry for any nuggetry:ear:

[Calz]

Interesting. When I did a search of "satan old testament" I was overloaded (different site).



Who Still Rules The World Today?

by Wayne Blank

"Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory of them; and he said to Him, "All these I will give you, if You will fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! for it is written, 'You shall worship The Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.'" Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him." (Matthew 4:8-11 RSV)
Many readers of The Bible are somewhat puzzled when they come across the above verses. Satan said that the kingdoms of the earth were the devil's to give, and more surprisingly, Jesus Christ didn't refute that claim!

Satan's World, For Just A Little While Longer

When Lucifer (see Did God Create The Devil?) rebelled, he was defeated and cast down from the heavens back to the earth:


"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground" (Isaiah 14:12 KJV).
Jesus Christ also described the fall, as He witnessed it in His pre-human form (see The Logos):


"I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven." (Luke 10:18 RSV).
Although he may not be absolutely confined to earth (e.g. Job 1:6), the earth is where Satan now resides and has his throne:


"And to the angel of the church in Pergamum write: 'The words of Him who has the sharp two-edged sword. 'I know where you dwell, where Satan's throne is; you hold fast My Name and you did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells." (Revelation 2:12-13 RSV) (see That Old Serpent)
"The Lord said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered The Lord, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." (Job 1:7 RSV)

The "god of this world"

Incredibly, The Bible refers to Satan as "the god of this world."


"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the likeness of God." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 RSV) (see What Does Satan Look Like?)
Satan's Greatest Fear

Despite the horrendous evil that he is still inflicting upon humanity, Satan has already been defeated; he just hasn't been removed yet (see The Lame Duck). The Return Of Jesus Christ will mark the end of Satan's rule and influence on earth. He will soon get all that's coming to him, and he knows it.


"But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!" (Revelation 12:12 RSV)
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years were ended. After that he must be loosed for a little while. Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years [see The Last Day]. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with Him a thousand years." (Revelation 20:1-6 RSV)

"And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be loosed from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations [see Could Satan Repent?] which are at the four corners of the earth, that is, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city; but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulphur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever." (Revelation 20:7-10 RSV)

Fact Finder: Did The Son of God appear to destroy the work of the devil?
1 John 3:8


http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010504.htm

[observer]

In a reply to a personal message from Calz_Avaretard, he made the comment: "It would be great if there was an "everything you want to know about the universe in one post".

I would like to make an attempt to do just that in a single comment.

In nearly fifty years of research on the issue of the 'history of our antiquity', I have discovered many researchers that have paved the way. Jordan Maxwell, Zecharia Sitchin, Jim Marrs, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tillinger, Michael Cremo, Lloyd Pie - to name just a few. (the list could continue to the next page if I had the room)

Any one of these individuals can be web-searched and a wealth of information (years of research) can be discovered with each. Many on this list have been interviewed on the Camelot site.

Of all the researchers I've discovered, there are a few that 'shine' with observations and conclusions regarding the lost history of our antiquity.

There are three that are at the top of my list. I will list them in alphabetical order as not a single one of these individuals deserves the 'top billing' position - each has a contribution that gives great insight into the nature of our particular reality:


Dr. Joseph P. Farrell -
Most of his books can be found for free on this site:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net

Search for:
The Giza Death Star (trilogy)

His best book so far is not available free online. Here's a link to the book where you can review some of the content:
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-War-Interplanetary-Warfare-Physics/dp/1931882754
(Look for 'Look Inside', and click-on it)
I would highly recommend purchasing this work and all of Dr. Farrell's other work.


Richard Hoagland -
Richard is on the trail of evidence (most of it gleaned from untouched NASA documents) proving an ancient civilization existed, not only here on Earth, but throughout the solar system.

His books include:
"Monuments of Mars"
"Dark Mission"

I would highly recommend purchasing both of these works.


David Icke -
David has written some of the most comprehensive books on the history of civilization up to and including the present circumstances. I would highly recommend all of his work, but if there were one in particular, it would be "The Biggest Secret". Here's a free link to the book in its entirety:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret.htm#contents


****

So.... there you have it Calz - there for the record, available to anyone with an interest. No puzzles.... no riddles.... clearly written with links to everything of which I spoke - the way it ought to be....

[Calz]

1). My PM was in response to yours and PMs are ... private messages ... are they not???

2). Yes I did say that.

3). Yes I am familiar with (and have books from) most all in your post.

4). If you have been able to assimilate everything you need to know about the universe from that sampling then you have done better than I.


That said ... this is not a detraction from the meaning of your post. I expect everyone here is eager to append "truth" to their concept of "reality" (except for the few trollish folk who wish otherwise).

I love to laugh ... I love music ... I love the things that make humans ... human.

I love to take time to smell the nuggets :)

Diversity and differences are part of what makes us ... human ... correct???

[Andrew]

In nearly fifty years of research on the issue of the 'history of our antiquity', I have discovered many researchers that have paved the way. Jordan Maxwell, Zecharia Sitchin, Jim Marrs, Michael Tsarion, Michael Tillinger, Michael Cremo, Lloyd Pie - to name just a few. (the list could continue to the next page if I had the room)

Any one of these individuals can be web-searched and a wealth of information (years of research) can be discovered with each. Many on this list have been interviewed on the Camelot site.

Of all the researchers I've discovered, there are a few that 'shine' with observations and conclusions regarding the lost history of our antiquity.

There are three that are at the top of my list. I will list them in alphabetical order as not a single one of these individuals deserves the 'top billing' position - each has a contribution that gives great insight into the nature of our particular reality:


Dr. Joseph P. Farrell -
Most of his books can be found for free on this site:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net

Search for:
The Giza Death Star (trilogy)

His best book so far is not available free online. Here's a link to the book where you can review some of the content:
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-War-Interplanetary-Warfare-Physics/dp/1931882754
(Look for 'Look Inside', and click-on it)
I would highly recommend purchasing this work and all of Dr. Farrell's other work.


Richard Hoagland -
Richard is on the trail of evidence (most of it gleaned from untouched NASA documents) proving an ancient civilization existed, not only here on Earth, but throughout the solar system.

His books include:
"Monuments of Mars"
"Dark Mission"

I would highly recommend purchasing both of these works.


David Icke -
David has written some of the most comprehensive books on the history of civilization up to and including the present circumstances. I would highly recommend all of his work, but if there were one in particular, it would be "The Biggest Secret". Here's a free link to the book in its entirety:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret.htm#contents




Since this thread began I started to research Farrell again but in a different mind set as to before and its been fascinating, I listened to most shows I could find on Farrell and now I want to buy one of his books, but I wasn't sure which one, your recommendation helped with that thanks.

Also I would add I agree with Observers argument but also like Lord Sids treasure hunting, I really look forward to checking the comments and everyone has helped a lot in keeping this thread alive and healthy, cheers.

[Lord Sidious]

http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/4-4.htm

LS is this scripture, an example of enlilites writting of the bible to portray enki as a deciever, blinder, satan? Just trying to clarify, sorry for being slow.
and then does this mean Enki is the ruler of the world right now, or are things being put upon him that should be put on his brother?
peace

sorry for any nuggetry:ear:

The idea would be that according to the bible, enki is in charge and he is a bad guy and enlil will come save us.
We know that is flipped around, so you tell me.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Congrats on a new record...

what is everyone coming to see in conspiracies?

[Lord Sidious]

Congrats on a new record...

what is everyone coming to see in conspiracies?

What is this record you speak of?

[Rocky_Shorz]

total online at Avalon just passed 1555 for the first time, everyone is swarmed in conspiracy so we must have hit headline news somewhere...

[bearcow]

Is Enki's son Murdak (the giver of Chinese medicine and Tai Chi)

???

Zhang Sanfeng is credited with the development of tai chi

no one person is given credit for the development of chinese medicine as it is today but the yellow emperor is generally credited as it's father.

[oceanz]

In Ancient Civilisations, beings not of this world were worshipped and known as "Gods".
In todays world, beings not of this world are experiemented on and referred to as "Aliens".
In the future will beings not of this world be known as "Visitors or Space Travellers"?
When human beings reach our full capacity will beings not of this world be known as "Inter-Galactic Relations"
---> surely at that stage we would know that physically/spiritually we are all an energy source, a "Atom" or "Adam" and our "Eve" was "(Eve)-olution".

[oceanz]

http://www.crystalinks.com/stargatesanddecoders.html

http://www.crystalinks.com/anunnaki_stargate.jpg
Ninurta (as displayed in the British Museum)

His father was Enlil and his mother, Ninlil - both aliens and the same soul.

This relief in the British Museum show Ninurta in a Gateway (Stargate, Portal). He is very clearly using his index finger to push something on the wall. His bracelet looks very similar to a modern wrist watch (flower petals, no numbers) - ("Time" and Flower of Life metaphors). The emblem around his neck matches the design of the Knight's Templar.

There is a thread in PA on the Knight's Templar.

[Davidallany]

There is a thread in PA on the Knight's Templar.
I think this is stolen Iraqi artifact, the British government with the blessing of TPTB have been helping themselves to tons of items from the so called Iraq since WWI.
What's the cross he's wearing mean?

[ThePythonicCow]

We have deleted one post that was a bit earlier in this thread. The post continued an off-topic rant demanding that only a particular style of posts appear on this forum. This forum welcomes a variety of members, serving a variety of purposes, in various ways. We ask that members treat each other with respect, or at least quietly ignore those they don't enjoy.

If another user is violating an actual policy of this site (not how you think the site should be run) then you're welcome to Report (click on the http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/buttons/report-40b.png triangle) your concern.

Carry on - this is a good thread.

[Davidallany]

What's the cross he's wearing mean?
I did some research and it seems that the object is called Lapis-Exillis which also leads to Rosicrucian Order and Illuminati.
http://www.dvd-bluray-reviews.com/big_images/dvd/Lapis-Exillis--The-Stone-Is-The-Grail---An-Exploration-Into-the-Worlds-Most-Secret-Societies---3-DVD-Set.jpg
I also found this video that seems to be related to the object.
Z_75v1XA46g&list=SL&feature=sh_e_sl

[DoubleHelix]

In the name of truth, let's throw a curve ball in the mix - How accurate was Zecharia Sitchin's deciphering of ancient Anunnaki texts ? ? ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIwZKJK4IJc&feature=BFa&list=PLB83DC6D908DDBDA4&index=27

[Calz]

I accepted Stitchin hook, line and sinker until it later came out (I think from Jordan Maxwell who was a good friend of his) that a lot of his material was "channeled" (automatic type writing) from the Annunaki.

Like always probably a shade of grey ... no doubt still a lot of good information.

Oh no you didn't say the "C" word did you... that's like a shot to the groin.

from credible too incredible in the space of 9 letters.

Thou the waters are muddied I will still review his material.


In the name of truth, let's throw a curve ball in the mix - How accurate was Zecharia Sitchin's deciphering of ancient Anunnaki texts ? ? ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIwZKJK4IJc&feature=BFa&list=PLB83DC6D908DDBDA4&index=27

Very excellent follow up DoubleHelix :thumb:

Really makes you wonder and consider "rethinking" things.

Might be worthwhile to investigate what the top few Sumerian language analysts all have in agreement with Zecharia as opposed to not??? Don't even know if that is available.

Good job.

*** adding ***

There are 13 youtube vids in this series ... I am into the 4th. This is vital material to consider if you want to rely on the work of Zecharia.

[Calz]

Since we are using open minds in having a new look at "sacred cows" of alternative news ... here is another. William Cooper on Jordan Maxwell and goes into Zecharia in the middle portion of the interview:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geje5Ncj__k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxDEQ0JwDo&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUc1WoeDXs8&feature=related

[DoubleHelix]

I noticed Kerry Cassidy, with the help of Andy Lloyd, is looking to organize a conference discussing the work of the late Zecharia Sitchen - http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

The question arises as to whether any of these proposed speakers have ever done any research into the validity of Sitchen's work?

Mr. Michael Heiser from the video I posted before, poses some credible points and questions that need to be addressed IMO. Is this a classic case of selective hearing/viewing from the followers of Sitchen?

Countless researchers have placed emphasis on the accuracy of Sitchen's material over the years, I mean if you had spent many years basing your work on someone who you believed to be credible, to then find out he may have mistranslated a percentage of it, would you want to know? or would you turn a blind eye?

[Calz]

I noticed Kerry Cassidy, with the help of Andy Lloyd, is looking to organize a conference discussing the work of the late Zecharia Sitchen - http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

The question arises as to whether any of these proposed speakers have ever done any research into the validity of Sitchen's work?

Mr. Michael Heiser from the video I posted before, poses some credible points and questions that need to be addressed IMO. Is this a classic case of selective hearing/viewing from the followers of Sitchen?

Countless researchers have placed emphasis on the accuracy of Sitchen's material over the years, I mean if you had spent many years basing your work on someone who you believed to be credible, to then find out he may have mistranslated a percentage of it, would you want to know? or would you turn a blind eye?

Tougher now that Zecharia has passed. People won't want to sound "disrespectful".

[oceanz]

Here is a very good explanation of Enki and Satan:


http://www.helium.com/items/88064-the-origin-of-satan

The origin of Satan
by D.Stalnaker Created on: November 09, 2006
Last Updated: May 11, 2007

For those of you who are reading this and are not familiar with who Enki is, let me inform you. Enki also referred to as Ea is the son of Anu and brother of Enlil, Enki was born after enlil and therefore was not heir to the throne of Nibiru, but was honored as a high god in the council of the twelve gods, he was the god of the "watery deep". Enlil on the other hand was heir to the throne and would receive the enlilship and take his fathers place as ruler and king of nibiru, for those who are unfamiliar with who these gods are I suggest you do some research on ancient Sumeria.

In this entry we will analyze and establish that,

*Enki is the creator of homo sapien.
*Enki was the serpent in the garden of eden.
*Enki saved the human race from the deluge.
*Enki is Satan.
*Satan is not our enemy.

So let's start with the monotheistic view of Satan and his origins as he derives from the old testament (Hebrew bible), Satan was actually Lucifer to begin with and he was simply an adversary to Yahweh, basically like a prosecutor. It states in the Hebrew bible that Lucifer was the god of the "abyss" hence "the watery deep", there is not one single reference to Lucifer being the evil or horrible character that he is made out to be by the christianity and other monotheistic beliefs. Once Lucifer becomes Satan he is demonized by the new testament and branded as a horrible and evil being, so why did this happen?

I believe it happened because enlil who I believe is the Yahweh of the new testament was so oblivious to humans and his brother and the fact that Enki created us and cared for us and viewed us as equals with himself and the other annunaki made enlil so angry he just couldn't help but make his brother into this evil creature. As far as the yahweh of the Hebrew bible I believe it was anu because you can see a major difference between the yahweh of the Hebrew bible and of the new testament, anyways why would anu make these things up about his own son?, the same son he had fashion the primitive worker (Homo sapien), anu from the beginning never had a problem with us, it was enlil who couldnt stand us, because the other annunaki were mating with us and having children (Nefilim), and the fact that we kept him awake at night.

The creation
From the time of the annuanki's arrival on the earth they were mining gold and other minerals to take back to their planet for various uses, they worked day and night until finally the workers stood up and said they had enough, this was brought to the attention of anu and the idea to create a primitive worker was the solution, a worker that could do the annunaki's bidding, so Enki was asked to create this worker, being he was the chief science officer, Enki had to discovered that the worker was already here (Homo erectus), but it was too primitive so he would have to genetically alter it, thus the creation of the homo sapien was about to become a reality, Enki genetically altered the primitive man by adding some of his own genetics to it and created us.

The knowledge bringer
Once Enki had created us all was good as far as the others were concerned, but Enki was not happy with the way his beloved creation was being treated and abused, we were forced to work day and night sometimes without food and water, we were whipped and driven to illness and death, we were forced to work nude and unsheltered, after years of abuse Enki had enough and went into the garden of eden and told the genetic Adam and eve exactly who we were and what we were created for, so you may ask were did the reference of the serpent come from? It came from the symbol of Enki a staff with two serpents wrapping around it, what we now know as the caduceus (Symbol of medicine). Enlil of course was enraged at his brother for telling us the truth and knew that from that day on we would have to be treated better and have some sort of rights.

The savior of the human race
After some time the earth was in an ice age and the arctic ice plates had grown so massive that it was causing the earth to tilt, the annunaki knew this and knew that when Nibiru passed in the near future the ice plates would break off and plunge into the ocean creating a massive flood upon the lands, this was fine to them, they could simply get into their ships and fly back to their planet, but what about the humans? A meeting was held among the council of the twelve gods and it was voted that they would do nothing when the floods came and would let man perish. This saddened and enraged Enki, so he would warn his son Ziusudra (The biblical Noah) of the impending flood and instructed him to build an ark, and put his family and friends in it, this would ultimately save humanity and when the floods had came and gone the gods watched from above and when they realized man had survived and they had food they returned to the earth, enlil was once again enraged, the humans had survived, while the other gods weren't angry and anu himself said he wasn't angry that his son Enki had warned them.

Enki is Satan
So earlier on we established that Enki is indeed the same individual as Lucifer and that Lucifer would get a new name and be demonized by yahweh, not the yahweh of the Hebrew bible, but the yahweh of the new testament, which I said I believe to be enlil, the enlilship had not yet taken place in the time of the hebrew bible, therefore anu was still the ruler and established mankind as being rulers of the earth with of course obedience to himself and the other gods. By the time of the enlilship humankind had grown and enlil couldn't just kill off humanity.

Satan is not our enemy
Now we see that all along enlil had a problem with humans and ultimately we would survive and thrive to become what we are today, Enki always loved and cared for us and did what he had to do to set us free, he always viewed us as equals to himself and the other gods, he never once asked us to worship him or give blood sacrifices to him, this was the work of anu and enlil and after the enlilship I believe that enlil had so much anger towards his brother he would turn the tables on him and establish him as satan. It is plain to see that the real enemy is yahweh and his angels, he wants nothing more than to control us and keep us as his slaves and obedient to him, he therefore keeps our minds closed and keeps us from using and developing out true psychic abilities, which is what the true path of satanism and spiritual sumerianism is really about.

[DoubleHelix]

I noticed Kerry Cassidy, with the help of Andy Lloyd, is looking to organize a conference discussing the work of the late Zecharia Sitchen - http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

The question arises as to whether any of these proposed speakers have ever done any research into the validity of Sitchen's work?

Mr. Michael Heiser from the video I posted before, poses some credible points and questions that need to be addressed IMO. Is this a classic case of selective hearing/viewing from the followers of Sitchen?

Countless researchers have placed emphasis on the accuracy of Sitchen's material over the years, I mean if you had spent many years basing your work on someone who you believed to be credible, to then find out he may have mistranslated a percentage of it, would you want to know? or would you turn a blind eye?

Tougher now that Zecharia has passed. People won't want to sound "disrespectful".

Well you've got to admire anyone who spends a lifetime of work dedicated to one solitary topic.

Yeah it's been less than 12 months since he passed, but I don't think now's a good time to pussy-foot around such a potentially vital topic. Nothing should stand in the way of truth - If we accept that some of his translations were subject to error, then it's sure to have a knock-on effect to many other researchers who relied on his work.

Now more than anything I'm curious to know if there was anyone lesser known that rivaled Sitchen. Michael Heiser did mention a German team who translated the tablets some 50 years prior to Sitchen, yet he never bothered to consult them first.

[Calz]

I would like to bring out a couple things to consider regarding Jordan Maxwell's work as related to this thread.

I want to be clear that, despite the William Cooper video(s) I posted, I am only having a closer look and not suggesting Jordan is less than what we have come to think of him over the years. His work was groundbreaking and inspired many others to follow.

Anyway ... related to this thread there are a couple differences.

1) I don't recall Jordan ever suggesting anything of a positive nature regarding the nazis (or even the possibility thereof).

2) Will need to watch again his "The Dawn of a New Day" dvd. From what I remember watching right after it came out and other of his material he implies the return of the "Sun" god which the illuminati and secret societies are eagerly awaiting.

Neither of those two jive with what has become the "spirit of this thread".

Enlil is allegedly already here ... perhaps it implies he will simply come out into the open???

Not making any conclusions here ... offering up the thoughts for consideration and discussion ...

From Maxwell Camelot interview:


JM: But again I would say it all boils down to one thing in my mind – that the human race on the Earth is being prepared, slowly but surely, in a scientific method being applied to the human race to mutate the human race, to change us from being what we are today to a creature that the Gods have in mind, mutating again. Because if the Bible is correct, if Zecharia Sitchin’s correct and all the other writers on the subject are correct...

BR: This is a real detective story here. I’m on the edge of my seat, thinking: Wow, are we talking about the return of the Anunnaki? Is this connected with the Christian myth of a Second Coming?

JM: That’s right.

KC: This particular video is not really for, you know, people that are just coming to the subject. This actually is for people who have...

JM: A cursory understanding of all this.

KC: ...a background and do understand and have possibly read Sitchin’s work, for example, and are up to speed with even David Icke’s work and our work.

JM: Right.

BR: And who may have been following you for many years because in recent interviews, for example, on Coast to Coast for example, you hinted heavily that there are things which you are not ready to say yet.

JM: Yes.

BR: And a lot of people will be watching this, wondering whether this is the time and you’ve chosen to tell all.

JM: Yeah. That’s true. Yeah.

KC: What we have established here is that there is a very predominant symbol and you’ve talked about how it’s permeated every aspect of life and religion and that people are really not up to speed on what it really means for the human race.

JM: Absolutely. That’s right.

KC: And this is sort of a stunning revelation for many people that are listening to this. But I would like to say, what we are seeing right now is a roll-out of an Illuminati agenda that involves population reduction. What I’m curious is whether or not you can talk about how this agenda to do with the Son [and/or Sun] coming to the throne of the world, if indeed this transpires, the creation of a new race of humans...

JM: Right.

KC: ...and how population reduction folds into that.

JM: Well, I think if you’re going to have a whole new race of humans; they are cultured. That’s why we refer to different races of people as “cultures” and a culture is something under a microscope, you know; it’s like a bacteria. And so that’s what we are on the Earth – we are a culture. And somebody has actually put us here as a culture, and is watching us grow, and we have become a disease, because we’re killing everything in our path.

And so I think that whoever it is that has created us had created us, I believe, possibly already knew that in the far future, once this race is finally brought up to speed, and then we can move it into the next plateau. This is what the Nazis were talking about. This is what Wernher von Braun was talking about. The Nazis were big on this subject and using the symbol and the term that I’m talking about, the symbol between the mountains of the East.

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jordan_maxwell_interview_en.html

[Lord Sidious]

Calz, anyone that suggested there was anything positive about Die Dritten Reich and/or the NSDAP would not be around long.

[Calz]

At last. Omni was able to point in the direction where I heard about Zecharia channeling the Annunaki.

Bill Ryan himself in the OP of the Annunaki thread :)




Interesting thread. Thanks pie'n'eal. I haven't read Sitchin's books. It's a shame they appear to connect dots that are non-existent. I remember reading his funding ties were to like the Rockefellers or something. Although my memory on that is a bit hazy. I haven't checked out any debunked sites about Sitchin either. But I am certainly interested in the Anunnaki. Does anyone have a source explaining Sumer and the Anunnaki that is not reputed to be channeling the info? Or reputed to make stuff up about it? I don't trust Sitchin's info enough to read his books.


Perhaps someone can help me out as well.

I remember hearing from what I thought to be a reliable source that Zecharia was actually channeling annunaki (automatic writing) on at least some of his material.

I am still trying to backtrack and find that source.

I did find a *hint* of sorts in that direction with the Jordan Maxwell Camelot interview.

Anyone???

I first heard this from Bill Ryan saying Jordan Maxwell told him that(or something along those lines). It's a post on this forum. Although I don't remember where. Maybe in the Anunnaki thread Bill made would be my guess.

Thanks Omni.

I was fairly certain it was within camelot/avalon in some fashion or another.

Cal

Spot on Omni :thumb:




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(snip)

One veteran researcher, who Kerry Cassidy and I also know personally, knew Zecharia Sitchin very well. This person told us that Zecharia had told him that his books were NOT translated from the Sumerian - but were actually channeled products of automatic writing.

We were also told that Zecharia Sitchin was paid on a retainer basis by the NSA, who always wanted to be kept up to date by Sitchin about what the Anunnaki were up to - because it seemed that Sitchin had a direct telepathic line to the Anunnaki in real time. (Note: there is quite a lot in Sitchin's books that is certainly disinformation - possibly deliberately inserted by the Anunnaki themselves). But quite a lot of the basic story is probably quite true.



Bill Ryan
Project Avalon
April 2011



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20331-The-Anunnaki&highlight=zecharia

[WhiteFeather]

Actually it was The Arcturian Race. Hope this helps.
Found it in an article by Dr Georgi Stankov. I posted the PDF File On My Profile. Have a gander.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/vol.-i---cosmic.laws.georgi.stankov.pdf
Its on one of the pages, i will find it later and inform you of the page number.

[Calz]

Getting back to Jordan Maxwell ... here is his excellent documentary if you have not seen and wish to.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07REkvATHb8

[Calz]

From Kerry's blog. Return of (son of) Enki ... hmmmmmm.


More on Elenin - Things not Explained in the Video

It is important to note for those who listen to our nearly 5 hour Camelot Roundtable discussion on Elenin that Hoagland makes a very good case for the name Elenin being no accident.

First of all, according to Hoagland, the man who supposedly "discovered" the planet must be a paid informant. Secondly the name Elenin does not equal ELE but adds up to be equal to or a code for "Horus".

With that in mind you need to be aware of the vast amount of information out there that surrounds the Return of the Anunnaki. There is a whole contingent of Illuminati 'followers' out there who do rituals to "Marduk"... another name for Horus. The have been planning and waiting for the return of the Anunnaki and Horus the 'son' of Enki.

click here for some ramblings by Dan Winter on the subject

So, if Elenin is a piloted or remotely controlled craft in the guise of a planetoid (like Phobos?) then what does it contain?

Here, Hoagland would remind us that we should read "Rendezvous with Rama" by Arthur C. Clarke who, he agrees, probably was "in" on all the real secrets. Which I have done and what happens there is a ship enters the solar system, we land on it and investigate and it is uninhabited except by robotic like mechanical toys that 'maintain it'. It serves no obvious purpose and contains a sort of mechanistic world within. All in all it's like a self-contained machine. Where the 'makers' have long since abandoned it... Or perhaps sent it out in space to 'attract' investigation from local beings in whatever solar system it enters... and during that time, monitors and correlates or studies the temporary inhabitants (us in this case) then moves on... never to return again. But in theory could then send back data to some great mothership or civilization many star fields away. One day to be followed by the real 'makers' who would now know fully who and what they were dealing with before they ever arrived. Would robots be the progenitors of 'robots'? Or would they be humanoid? Or what?

At any rate, the point here is that it would seem the analogy to Rama, is a limited one. I don't see Elenin as being an exploratory probe. It seems to plodding and laborious... in making its way through our solar system. Hoagland seems to feel this craft to be a sort of disclosure event for the uninitiated... A theatrical maneuver designed to wow the inhabitants who up to now, for the most part, are not so blissfully believing they are "alone" and need to be brought up to speed that they are 'not alone' and have never been alone (as Bob Dean would say).

But we still must get back to Elenin = Horus because if that is the case then it could also contain a group of beings. Certain sources and I agree that traveling in such a craft would be rather an antiquated means of getting around when intersteller craft going beyond the speed of light would serve far better. To say nothing of the use of stargates.

So is this the return of Marduk? And if so, is it a good thing or a bad thing? Bottom line.

And for that one has to also look at the fleet of ships that are accompanying it... this is info I have from an undisclosed source, that went black. But the word was, that it was a fleet of ships. So then the question is are they 'ours' or 'theirs' and if theirs then are they escorting in the comet-toid (my word for it)? Or are we escorting it in a little like when we scramble jets to flank some invader into our air space?

Again, one must ask is this a good thing or a bad thing? Hoagland would like to believe this is 'something marvelous' and a precursor to an age of disclosure in some form. He also seems to be even more entranced by the other comet/asteroid that he also has been told is 'controlled' called 2005 YU55. Coming from the direction of the sun due to cross closest to Earth on November 8th.

Note: there is ample evidence of large craft very close to the sun, (see the photos of John Walson) and by the way according to my source, those craft are actually bigger than YU55... and then if you go back to Rendezvous with Rama... after Rama left the vicinity of Earth it headed directly to the sun before reversing and moving away from it... the purpose being to 'power up' using the sun as an energy source to replenish itself. So perhaps the same is true of YU55 if it is indeed, controlled.

To get back to Elenin, if it is Horus and if let's say, the approach is expected and even anticipated for a very long time... then our secret space fleet will have been ready for the approach and could easily already been prepped for it. The recent Pope's address to the space station crew would seem to be out of context unless you consider that might have been a pep-talk for what was soon to be a 'greeting committee' of sorts to the 'new arrival' as one of my sources suggests. That address by the Pope has never happened before. Why now? What was he really doing?

Excuse me if I don't trust that this visitation by Elenin staged or not, is the harbinger of an 'age of enlightenment'. Because after all the secret space program is largely made up of former Nazis... or at the very least was run by them. And according to Hoagland they went off planet, back at the end of the war. They are the ones running the bases on the moon and mars. Their earthly contingent is under their orders. And there is a secret space program, apparently Earth based that is being prevented from leaving here (according to Hoagland but I am not sure this makes sense)... And they are not at all happy about it. I would say it's more likely they are leaving here... you can't have a space program that doesn't go into space (unless you count NASA ....lol (!))

If there is such a split within the secret space contingent, then what we are really talking about is a war for space between at least 2 Earthly groups... and then there is the war in space that involves some not so friendly off-world groups who want a piece of either this real estate or our DNA... and things get even more convoluted...

The questions remain and although we have the beginnings of some kind of space drama here things are still terribly hazy. Suffice to say we need more information... the understatement of the decade.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[karelia]

Thanks for that, Calz. Now we're truly entering muddy waters, lol.


Because after all the secret space program is largely made up of former Nazis... or at the very least was run by them. And according to Hoagland they went off planet, back at the end of the war. They are the ones running the bases on the moon and mars. Their earthly contingent is under their orders. And there is a secret space program, apparently Earth based that is being prevented from leaving here (according to Hoagland but I am not sure this makes sense)... And they are not at all happy about it. I would say it's more likely they are leaving here... you can't have a space program that doesn't go into space (unless you count NASA ....lol (!))

I think this is correct only in part. I'm almost certain that there were two factions in war-time Germany. I'm also pretty convinced that if von Braun et al had spilled all the secrets, the US space program would be one heck of a lot more advanced than it is. Anyway, the two factions, I believe, were the spiritually aware ones (creative as opposed to destructive) and were probably the ones who disappeared at the end of the war, minus a few like von Braun who didn't get the chance or who simply resigned himself to living his life out on the surface of the planet or Schauberger who probably died of a broken heart. Then there were the few rogues like Gehlen.

But let's concentrate on the first faction. They are likely the ones with bases on both Mars and Moon, and they probably have had contact with other, higher-realm ETs since at least the 1930s if not before. And somehow, I don't think they're STS-oriented. Imagine, their technologies are probably by at least a thousand years ahead of the Western countries here on earth. There is nothing, no force, to stop them from taking over the planet. Not just any country, but the entire planet. If they were STS-oriented, do you believe for even one second they wouldn't have done exactly that a long time ago? Instead, we hear rumours about the Reich Germans that point more towards defense as opposed to attack (Antarctica, General Byrd etc) and rumours that suggest they're doing damage control to prevent the planet from being completely destroyed by the cabal (UFOs turning up at disasters, man-made as well as 'natural').
Enter Enki/Marduk. Now I can absolutely understand why Hoagland thinks this scenario is a good thing. Only he can hardly come out and spill the details because that would ruin his career in no time.
I'm sure there is a war for space. I'm also sure that it isn't the black ops who are winning it. They may have made some headway over the last 70 years or so, but nowhere near the progress the old Germans appear to have made with a little help from their ET friends.

[oceanz]

Secondly the name Elenin does not equal ELE but adds up to be equal to or a code for "Horus". [/B]

With that in mind you need to be aware of the vast amount of information out there that surrounds the Return of the Anunnaki. There is a whole contingent of Illuminati 'followers' out there who do rituals to "Marduk"... another name for Horus. The have been planning and waiting for the return of the Anunnaki and Horus the 'son' of Enki.


I think I'll have to find some more information on the Marduk/Horus connection.

Interesting to note that the other day was the final space shuttle launch (well at least using that technology). Here's what Obama said:


“Today’s launch may mark the final flight of the Space Shuttle, but it propels us into the next era of our never-ending adventure to push the very frontiers of exploration and discovery in space. We’ll drive new advances in science and technology. We’ll enhance knowledge, education, innovation, and economic growth. And I have tasked the men and women of NASA with an ambitious new mission: to break new boundaries in space exploration, ultimately sending Americans to Mars. I know they are up to the challenge – and I plan to be around to see it.

http://www.universetoday.com/87374/famous-last-words-for-the-shuttle-program/#more-87374

Edit: That's weird - I thought I bolded the whole word "Mars" instead I must've just bolded "Ma" (as in Ma/Mum/Mom/Mother) which then makes me think of Americans are going home (to Mars) because Ma/Mum/Mom/Mother are usually a word associated with home...

[Anno]

I have a unified theory to offer that I've pieced together. I'll try to make this as simple and clear as I can.

1. Evolution is a lie.

Originally there was 'godhead' or 'the source' and it incarnated in to the physical world for experience. It's the story shown in sacred geometry and the flower of life. The first generation of physical beings were very close to 'source' still and could return to it.

Due to the effects of Entropy, each successive generation DEVOLVED further and further away from 'source'. The longer they were in the physical realm the weaker their connection got and they reincarnated in more and more physical forms.

Example: We (modern human) are not evolved from Apes. Apes are devolved from an earlier higher humanoid. This is why many races claim descent from various animals and explains why there is no missing link. Nothing is missing.

2. The Annunaki and Archons/Greys

There is a very ancient race that we call The Annunaki who have been incarnating in this physical reality for so long that they have now totaly lost their connection to source (soul) and the ability to reproduce. The ones around today are clones created by their ancestors after they lost the ability to naturally reproduce. They should have died out but because they've been around so long they have vast technology which they used to create a robotic probe race. The Archons/Greys/Demons.

These robots travel the universe looking for other species who fulfill two criteria:

1. DNA and physical form compatible with the 'clones'/annunaki.
2. A surviving ability to contain a 'soul' or connection to source.

Long ago the Greys/Archons arrived on Earth where they found early homonids. We are told they are caveman and dumb and lesser than us. They were actually far less devolved which is why they lived in harmony with nature. The more 'evolved' we think we get the more technology we need to survive. This is because we are devolving not evolving.

The Greys/Archons began to experiment on these homonid races to create the perfect 'template' for the next phase. This template was Neanderthal Man. Control groups were moved to the North. This is the reason for the sudden desire for humanity to 'exodus' from Africa and go to somewhere less hospitable. As the Greys are robots, their electrical systems work better in the cold as electricity flows better in the cold. Hence northern europe and the antarctic.

3. Adam

Once these control groups were in place the next step was for the Greys/Archons to create the next race blending the Annunak/Clone dna with Neanderthal to create a hybrid we know as Cro-Magnon man or 'White Man'. This is why they pop up out of nowhere in cold environments. They are designed to be easily controlled by the Annunaki and possessed.
Melanin blocks their 'signal' and influence which is why they're considered 'White' although 'Transparent' is more accurate.

4. The Lost Tribe

There is a bloodline within the white race that has a genetic anomaly that makes them immune from The Annunaki. These are the lost tribe of israel and the people that turn up after the deluge to teach the remaining cultures civilisation. In India they are the Aryans, in South America the Viracocha, in Europe the Tuatha de danaann, in north africa/canaries they are the Guanches.
They are the original Brotherhood of the Snake, Great White Brotherhood. Jesus was one.

As they are immune their bodies can not be controlled or taken over by the Annunaki so spirits of light incarnate in to them instead and are trying to free us.

The other human races are devolved from the earlier homonid groups that weren't interfered with although because of interbreeding it is likely that all races now have Annunaki dna in them.

5. The Nazis

I think the Nazis were cover for the SS who were cover for the secret societies like Vrill and Thule who were trying to contact one of these two groups. They travelled all over the world looking for traces of this 'lost tribe' and given the technology they came out with it's clear they contacted someone.

The question is, were they looking for the immune 'Lost Tribe' or were they looking for the Annunaki clones? If the former then they were/are trying to save us. If the latter then they want to continue to control us. By looking at the known actions of the Nazis and SS and comparing it to this theory, ie, who they tried to exterminate, it's looking like they were actually looking for the Lost Tribe and trying to free Earth by using Eugenics to create a master race of immune hybrids (whites).

Sources:

Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls - Nigel Kerner
Himmler's Crusade : The Nazi Expedition to find the Origins of the Aryan Race - Christopher Hale
Fingerprints of the Gods - Graham Hancock

[Calz]

This may be of interest. Formatting will not allow for copy of this table but link is below and worth a quick look (remembering Sitchin is the source):


THE NAMES OF THE GODS


The Nibiruan Council Of Twelve

and their names translated into 12 language groups


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/names_gods.html

[phillipbbg]

Interesting that there is a council of 12.... one would assume that things have not changed in their structure of governance ... I wonder what they are making of our pitiful structure of governance....

I would also assume that they are coming into commuting range so interesting times ahead ... they may have been here for some time as well.....wonder what there English names sound like?

[Lord Sidious]

This may be of interest. Formatting will not allow for copy of this table but link is below and worth a quick look (remembering Sitchin is the source):


THE NAMES OF THE GODS


The Nibiruan Council Of Twelve

and their names translated into 12 language groups


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/names_gods.html

Interesting chart, thanks for that.
From what I can gather, adonai is another name observant jews use for their god, so they are fusing/confusing enlil and enki together.

[oceanz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostle_(Christian)

The term apostle is derived from the New Testament Greek noun ἀπόστολος or apostolos, meaning one who is sent forth as a messenger in contrast to a disciple who is a "student" that learns from a "teacher". Traditionally, Jesus is said to have had Twelve Apostles who spread the Gospel after his resurrection though there is also a tradition derived from the Gospel of Luke of Seventy Apostles.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Didache.jpg/220px-Didache.jpg
Greek icon of the Twelve Apostles (in the front row are Matthew, Peter, James and John).
(The two bearded ones look like brothers, just one looks older. There are two without beards).

[Calz]

Let me put this to you.

Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?

Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.

The genocide is a form of revenge.

The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?

Riddle us this Sid ...

If the Enki faction won the war (with our help) then any idea why Enlil would be left behind (who's watching the henhouse?) and Enki faction left (and are now returning)???

:juggle:

[oceanz]

If the Enki faction won the war (with our help) then any idea why Enlil would be left behind (who's watching the henhouse?) and Enki faction left (and are now returning)???
:juggle:

I think it's going to come down to our definition of "returning".

Enlil, after the great flood might've got a tensy, whensy, bit peeved at his brother Enki and tricked/trapped him in an air bubble (I say "air" because Enlil is Lord of air) and Enki might've gone down with Atlantis which may or may not be under Antarctica.

Physically, Enki could be sleeping trapped under the ice in Antarctica and he's sending positive energy through the water because water has memory and 75% of all bottom water, where ever you are, comes from Antarctica:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19913-Magnetic-Time-Vortex-Over-Antarctica

Unfortunately for us, they put fluoride in the water. Things in Antarctica are really heating up down there at the moment and a lot of underwater volcanic activity and earthquakes near there.

BTW - I found it interesting in Calz link that Anu's greek name was Kronos which means time and there is a space-time vortex over Antarctica (refer to link above).

Enlil, could quite possibly thrive off negative energy and the whole fiat currency system has been more or less going since the great flood (N.B - will have to check that). Look at what is happening in the world at the moment with the whole Global Financial Crisis, there's a mass of negative energy.

Physically, humans survived the great flood but how many humans have been killed via money directly and indirectly via hunger, medication, shelter, clean water and most importantly war which was always back by the resource of money.

Enki may have saved us from the great flood but Enlil's influence is playing havoc now...

[Calz]

So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?

And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)

The war has never stopped. As Lord Sid pointed out, it was the Wehrmacht that capitulated unconditionally. The country NEVER capitulated. To this day, there is no peace treaty between the Allies and Germany. Germany does not have a constitution. If you wish to become a lawyer in Germany, you have to have the consent of the Allies. If they don't give it, tough; you can't practice then. This war has been going on and on and on. The only difference between pre-1945 and post-1945 is that the war continued behind the scenes, invisible to the public.

When Byrd went on his Antarctic "expedition," it was barely veiled as such; it was meant to be an invasion, but he was defeated within days. When in 1958, the US nuked Antarctica three times in the course of a month (August/September), it was another act of war against the Germans.

karelia can you provide any links for information regarding the 1958 nukes in Antarctica???

Most of what I have found suggest that after the release of declassified documents there is nothing there to support the nazi link (big surprise eh?).

I did find some interesting material at the site below. It would appear the nukes were atmospheric (EMP???). Also some speculation the navy was trying to test the effect on the magnetosphere (how stupid are we really ... now haarp, cern and who knows what from the black op boys :tsk: ).



Nuclear Bomb exploded near Tristan da Cunha in 1958

(will be published in one of the forthcoming South Atlantic Chronicles - SHATPS)

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Operation Argus was the only clandestine nuclear test series in the 17 years history of atmospheric testing. It was secretly conducted in the South Atlantic close to one of our 3 islands – Tristan da Cunha.

The tests

The tests were proposed by a scientist of the Lawrence Radiation Laboratory to verify a theory, which argued that high-altitude nuclear detonations would create a radiation belt in the extreme upper regions of the Earth's atmosphere by interacting with the magnetic field of earth. Such belts would be similar in effect to the Van Allen radiation belts. Such radiation belts were viewed as having possible tactical use in war, and could potentially interfere with radar tracking, communications, and the electronics of satellites and ballistic missiles.


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Van Allen Radiation Belt is a torus of energetic charged particles around Earth, which is held in place by the Earth's magnetic field / Wikipedia

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And such an artificial van Allen radiation belt, a radioactive shield, should be created by Operation Argus – and I anticipate – the world greatest scientific experiment succeeded (as we know and can hope).

But why in the South Atlantic? Due to the South Altantic Anomaly, the Van Allen radiation belt is closer to the earth's surface near the magnetic poles. The (extreme) altitude of the tests was chosen so as to prevent personel involved in the test from being exposed to any ionizing radiation. Additional effect - the remote South Atlantic region granted a great secrecy.



When I heard for the first time of nuclear tests in the South Atlantic, I wanted to know where these tests were conducted – and if the people living in that area were impacted by nuclear fallout.

Three ballistic missile launches were started with detonations in high altitude. Later a peak fallout was measured.

The first launch was in Tristan waters (see map and list below) and the 2nd and 3rd launches were approximately between Gough and Bouvet Island, about 1.000 km south of Gough.


(big snip)


Myths & Legends

At the end the connection between the myth of Hitler’s Antarctic Base and Operation Argus:

In January-February 1939, a secret German expedition visited Dronning Maud Land, Antarctica, apparently with the intention inter alia of establishing a base there. Between 1943 and 1945 the British launched Operation Tabarin, a secret wartime Antarctic operation with men from the SAS, Britain's covert forces for operating behind the lines, appeared to be involved. In July and August 1945, months after the German surrender, two German U-boats arrived in Argentina. Had they been to Antarctica to land Nazi treasure or officials? In the southern summer of 1946–1947, the US Navy appeared to invade Antarctica using a large force. The operation Highjump was classified confidential. In 1958, three nuclear weapons were exploded in the region, as part of Operation Argus. It could be a nuclear attack against Hitler’s Antarctic Base. Given the initial lack of information about these various activities, it is not surprising that some people would use these pieces of information to construct a myth of a German base existing in Antarctica and of allied efforts to destroy it.

Using background knowledge of Antarctica and information concerning these activities that has been published since 1939, it is demonstrated: that the two U-Boats could not have reached Antarctica because of missing fuel; that there was no secret wartime German base in Dronning Maud Land; that SAS troops did not attack the alleged German base; that the SAS men in the region at the time had civilian jobs and their Operation area was thousands of kilometers far from Dronning Maud Land; that Operation Highjump was designed to train the US Navy for a possible war with the Soviet Union in the Arctic, and not to attack an alleged German base in Antarctica - and that Operation Argus took place over the ocean more than 2000 km north of Dronning Maud Land and the explosions were in the higher atmosphere. According the Antarctic snow record there was no radiation fall measured in Dronning Maud Land. Activities that were classified have subsequently been declassified (i.e. National Nuclear Security Administration) and it is no longer difficult to separate fact from fancy.


http://www.hahnstamps.com/operation-argus.html

[oceanz]

So was that the real cause of the ozone layer hole over Antarctica - the first test explosions of the upper atmosphere in that area and helped along by CFC's later on?

[Lord Sidious]

Let me put this to you.

Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?

Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.

The genocide is a form of revenge.

The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?

Riddle us this Sid ...

If the Enki faction won the war (with our help) then any idea why Enlil would be left behind (who's watching the henhouse?) and Enki faction left (and are now returning)???

:juggle:

I don't know.
They may have thought that enlil and his lot could do no more harm here.
Or they may not have won.

[Calz]

I don't know.
They may have thought that enlil and his lot could do no more harm here.
Or they may not have won.

Not sure if you had a chance to go through the posts while you were gone. #460 was a rather interesting tale of the war ... and essentially said that no one came home. It seems to infer none of the human armies returned. Only a handful of those traveling with and servicing the armies returned with "tales to tell" but they lacked the means to get "home" in a timely fashion and were scattered around the world.

This one didn't refer to the Aryans.

[karelia]

Calz asked:

karelia can you provide any links for information regarding the 1958 nukes in Antarctica???


I'm sure I read it somewhere, too, but memory escapes me at the moment. And then in a youtube vid called "Das Dritte Reich Schlägt Zurück" (The Third Reich Strikes Back). In there, it said, paraphrased, "The US, in August/September 1958, fired three nuclear bombs within one month. If anyone still has any doubt as to the cause of the ozone hole over Antarctica, your questions may be found in that." It's a very informative video, six parts 10 minutes each, but unfortunately, I've not managed to find an English or even sub-titled version of it.

I don't remember exactly, but those bombs should also be shown in the video that lists all nuclear "tests" from 1945 to 1998. Here:

WAnqRQg-W0k

[Calz]

Found this (and a whole lot more ... too much to paste here) of interest at the link at the bottom:

ADMIRAL BYRD AND OPERATION HIGHJUMP

...In 1947, Admiral Richard E. Byrd led 4,000 military troops from the U.S., Britain and Australia in an invasion of Antarctica [Operation Highjump and follow-up], but encountered heavy resistance from Nazi "flying saucers" and had to call off the invasion. A Rear-Admiral who was in that invasion has retired in Texas, and said he was shocked when he read the "Fire From The Sky" material. He knew there were a lot of aircraft and rocket shoot-downs but did not realize the situation was so bad.

(big snip)

The invasion of ANTARCTICA consisted of three battle groups from Norfolk, VA, on Dec. 2, 1946. They were led by Byrd's command ship, the ice-breaker "Northwind," and consisted of the catapult ship "Pine Island," the destroyer "Brownsen," the aircraft-carrier "Phillipines Sea," the U.S. submarine "Sennet," two support vessels "Yankee" and "Merrick," and two tankers "Canisted" and "Capacan," the destroyer "Henderson" and a floatplane ship "Currituck." A British-Norwegian force and a Russian force, and I believe some Australian and Canadian forces were also involved.
On March 5, 1947 the "El Mercurio" newspaper of Santiago, Chile, had a headline article "On Board the Mount Olympus on the High Seas" which quoted Byrd in an interview with Lee van Atta: "Adm. Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defense measures against hostile regions. The admiral further stated that he didn't want to frighten anyone unduly but that it was a bitter reality that in case of a new war the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds. [Earlier he had recommended defense bases AT the NORTH Pole.] Admiral Byrd repeated the above points of view, resulting from his personal knowledge gathered both at the north and south poles, before a news conference held for International News Service."
When Byrd returned to the States, he was hospitalized and was not allowed to hold any more press conferences. In March 1955, he was placed in charge of Operation Deepfreeze which was part of the International Geophysical Year [1957-1958] exploration of the Antarctic. He died, some have suggested he was murdered, in 1957...

UFO researchers are also aware of strange sightings of 'flying saucers' with swastikas or iron crosses on them, 'aliens' speaking German, etc. (Note: I have also heard of abductees who have been taken to underground bases with swastika emblems on the walls, or as in the case of abductee Alex Christopher, have seen Reptiloids and 'Nazis' working together aboard antigravity craft or within underground bases. So Barney Hill was not the ONLY one to describe the Nazi connection to UFO abductions. - Branton).

An example is the American Reinhold Schmidt -- whose father was born in Germany -- who tells in his book "Incident At Kearney" [Nebraska] that he was taken on a 'flying saucer' on several occasions. He said the crew spoke German and acted like German soldiers. He said they took him to the Polar region [if someone were making up a story, why would they claim to be taken, of all places, to the pole?] (Note: Other sources have implied that an -- underground? -- 'Nazi' base exists somewhere in Nebraska. - Branton)

After returning he was subjected to persecution by the U.S. Government. His description [of the aerial discs] matched pictures captured from the Germans.

(Note: For video's detailing an in-depth historical analysis of the Nazi cults, numerous details on the Nazi aerial disc projects, AS WELL AS actual photo-footage retrieved from classified sources of these aerial discs in operation, and also investigations into the "New Berlin" bases below Neu Schwabenland, Antarctica -- contact: Vladimir Terziski, President, - American Academy of Dissident Scientists, 10970 Ashton Ave. #310, Los Angeles, CA 90024, phone and fax: USA-[310]-473-9717. - Branton)

In 1959, three large newspapers in CHILE reported front page articles about UFO encounters where the crew members appeared to be German soldiers. IN the 1960s there were reports in New York and NEW JERSEY of flying saucer 'aliens' who spoke German, or English with a German accent. In the Julius and Ethel Rosenberg atomic espionage trials, they spoke of "warships of space." Since they had access to top secret information, about what were they talking?


HITLER ESCAPED!

I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D. Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler escaped from Berlin."When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov, whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse that could be Hitler's."The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd, said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say conclusively that Hitler is dead."

Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would pay a claim on Adolph Hitler."

Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However, Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter, his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals, etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that Hitler committed suicide. The story at first sounds convincing, until you realized that they could have memorized a story BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in detail in real life?

Former Secretary of State Jimmy Byrnes in his book "Frankly Speaking" [as quoted in the April 1948 "The Cross and The Flag"]: "While in Potsdam at the Conference of the Big Four, Stalin left his chair, came over and clinked his liquor glass with mine in a very friendly manner. I said to him: 'Marshal Stalin, what is your theory about the death of Hitler?' Stalin replied: "He is not dead. He escaped either to Spain or Argentina.'"I still have the September, 1948, issue of a magazine called "The Plain Truth" with the headline article: "IS HITLER ALIVE, OR DEAD?," subtitled: "Here is summarized the conclusions of an exhaustive three-year investigation -- together with reasons for believing Hitler may be alive and secretly planning the biggest hoax of all history."

Another article in November, 1949, says "The Nazis went underground, May 16, 1943!" and details a meeting at the residence of Krupp von Bohlen-Halbach, the head of I.G. FARBEN, etc., at which they planned "FOR WORLD WAR III."

Another article in August, 1952, entitled "HITLER DID NOT DIE," subtitled "Adolph Hitler's fake suicide in his Berlin Bunker now is exposed as History's greatest hoax! Positive evidence comes to light that Hitler did not die -- here's new evidence that Hitler is alive, directing [the] Nazi underground, today!"

The June, 1952, issue of "The Plain Truth" is headlined: "HITLER 'May Be Alive!'" The article states: "Now, NEW FACTS, or purported facts, leak out. It's reported now that in 1940 the Nazis started to amass tractors, planes, sledges, gliders, and all sorts of machinery and materials IN THE SOUTH POLAR REGIONS -- that for the next 4 years Nazi technicians built, on an almost unknown CONTINENT, Antarctica, the Fuhrer's SHANGRILA -- a new Berchtesgaden."
The report says they scooped out an entire mountain, built a new refuge completely camouflaged -- a magic mountain hide-a-way. The recently discovered continent is larger than Europe -- 5,600 miles from Africa, 1,900 miles from the southern tip of South America, 4,800 miles from Australia.
It is NOT a mere ice-covered surface, but a real continent, with plains, valleys, mountain peaks up to 15,000 feet. The temperature in the interior is around zero (?) in the summer, and never drops below 20 or 30 degrees below in the winter. In other words, it is not as cold as in parts of North Dakota or Canada." (especially underground, where the natural temperature would be in the 50's, even below snow and ice. - Branton)

"Bonjour" magazine, the "Police Gazette," and the Paris newspaper "Le Monde" all had articles about Hitler's South Pole hideaway. Admiral Doenitz, in 1943, stated, "The German submarine fleet has even now established an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress, for the Fuhrer, in whatever part of the world." Although he did not specify where the exact location was, "Bonjour" pointed out that in 1940 Nazi engineers had begun construction of buildings that were to withstand temperatures to 60 degrees below zero.

There have been strong rumors, from the end of the War, that Hitler escaped to the South Pole. Yet, most people simply REFUSE to believe the evidence, the idea that Hitler survived the war is just unacceptable! It is too upsetting to too many people!There is plenty of PROOF that the Americans and Russians LIED about what happened to Hitler, and there are strong rumors that he escaped to Antarctica. There is ample proof that a major group of Nazis escaped to Argentina. What do YOU think? Why did Admiral Byrd lead an "invasion to Antarctica," and why the extreme secrecy about the whole situation?

In 1981, Donald McKale wrote "Hitler: The Survival Myth" to try to lay to rest the questions about what happened to Hitler. The flyleaf says: "In this book a distinguished historian examines the postwar world's most absorbing and persistent mystery, revealing why it has endured and where the mystery leads" [emphasis mine]. The back flyleaf says "Absolute certainty about what happened still eludes us today."

Just recently on TV there are STILL programs telling "at last, the final, once and for all, this is the real story" about what happened to Hitler, yet they all do not really answer the question. A recent TV program, called "What Really Happened to Adolph Hitler," after investigating numerous stories, ends by saying that, in spite of Glasnost and the new freedom of access to Russian files, the files on Hitler are still some of the most highly classified items of the Soviets.

The "Diario Illustrado" of Santiago, Chile, January 18, 1948 issue, said: "On 30th of April, 1945, Berlin was in dissolution but little of that dissolution was evident at Templehof Airfield. At 4:15 p.m. a JU52 landed and S.S. troops directly from Rechlin for the defense of Berlin disembarked, all of them young, not older than 18 years.

"The gunner in the particular plane was an engineer by the name of B... whom I had known for a number of years and for whom I had endeavored to get exemption from military service. He sought to tank up and leave Berlin as quickly as possible. During this re-fueling interval Mr. B... was suddenly elbowed in the ribs by his radio operator with a nod to look in a certain direction.
"At about 100-120 meters he saw a sleek Messerschmitt Jet Model 332 [an editorial comment says this should be an ARADO 234]. Mr. B.. and the radio operator saw, and WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER, standing in front of the jet, their Commander in Chief, Adolf Hitler, dressed in field-grey uniform and gesticulating animatedly with some Party functionaries, who were obviously seeing him off.

"For about ten minutes whilst their plane was being refueled the two men observed this scene and around 4:30 p.m. they took to the air again. They were extremely astonished to hear during the midnight military news bulletin, some seven and a half hours later, that Hitler had committed suicide."

On a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program called "As It Happens," September 17th, 1974 at 7:15 p.m., a Prof. Dr. Ryder Saguenay, oral surgeon from the Dental Faculty of the University of California at Los Angeles, said that Hitler had ordered a special plane to leave from Berlin with all medical and dental records, especially X-rays, of all top Nazis for an unknown destination. He said that the dental records used to identify Hitler's body were drawn from MEMORY by a dental assistant, WHO disappeared and was never found.

An editorial in "Zig Zag," Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948, STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark [still German controlled]. From Tondern, they took another plane to Kristiansund in Norway [also German controlled]. From there they joined a SUBMARINE convoy. ["U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des III Reiches," Mattern, pp. 50-51.]
The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in "The Avengers," p. 99, said: "In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: 'The German U-boat fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.' He did not say in what part of the world it existed, but fairly obviously it was in South America."

The German writer Mattern said that Admiral Doenitz told a graduating class of naval cadets in Kiel in 1944: "The German Navy has still a great role to play in the future. The German Navy knows all hiding places for the Navy to take the Fuhrer to, should the need arise. There he can prepare his last measures in complete quiet."

POLAR DEFENSES

One thing that Admiral Byrd stated in a press conference after his defeat at Antarctica was that the Antarctic continent should be surrounded by a "wall of defense installations since it represented the last line of defense for America." Although the U.S. and Russia had been allies during the war, suddenly the "Iron Curtain" was created and we and the Russians became 'enemies'.

(Note: Some say that the animosity of the Cold War directly following WWII was only an outward smokescreen to justify the expenditure on both sides for massive nuclear armament buildups -- and more importantly for massive black budget projects in space and underground -- and that in reality top U.S. and U.S.S.R. officials met regularly via secret submarine meetings that took place below the North Polar ice pack. This cooperation however was not complete, as there were still many at the higher levels of U.S. government who were against the military imperialist abuses of the Communist system; and many at the highest levels of the U.S.S.R. who were against the corporate imperialist abuses of the Capitalist system. 'Inner Earth' researcher Dennis Crenshaw has written an interesting essay on the Rockefeller influence behind Admiral Byrd's missions to the Antarctic, stating that the Rockefeller's had funded many of Byrd's missions. Could we imply from this that, following the war, the Rockefellers were able to reign-in many of the lower-ranking Nazi's yet many of the higher-ranking Nazi's slipped out of their control? The corporate elite who backed the Nazi's apparently did not want the products of their 'investments' off doing their own thing. Apparently the Antarctic bases, like the Russian invasion, were NOT part of the Rockefeller's plan. However there are suggestions that the Rockefeller-backed Nazi's in America have since made contact with their comrades in Antarctica and have agreed to work together -- along with the Greys -- in an effort to infiltrate America and pave the way for it's fall and assimilation into a New World Order. As we will see later, there are claims that some 1.5 million 'Nazis' are now operating in various levels of American society. Just where did they come from... Antarctica? Physicist Vladimir Terziski stated that the Nazi presence in Antarctica has passed the 2 million mark, and therefore Antarctica might conceivably be able to provide a large percentage of this infiltration force. Also remember that the American, European and Antarctican 'Nazis' -- due to the very secret-society foundations of their movement -- would have to maintain some level of contact with their occultist 'hosts' in Bavaria, especially with the THULE and VRIL societies. - Branton)

Both the Soviets and the United States ringed the poles with defense and detection bases, and in between was the barren no-man's-land of the poles where absolutely nobody lived, or did they? Could it be that we pretended we were protecting against the Russians and they pretended they were protecting against us, while really we and they were both scared of what was in between us -- the Nazi Last Battalion?...

RUDOLPH HESS AND SECRET GERMAN SPACE BASE

Rudolph Hess, Hitler's best friend and second in command, went to England to try to stop the war with Britain and was arrested as a "war criminal" on May 10, 1941 and was kept from having any contact with the public until he was recently murdered. He was the only prisoner in Spandau prison. Ones who paid any attention to his situation at all have wondered what was the big secret he knew that made him so dangerous to the Allies? Perhaps the answer is revealed in [Christof] Friedrich's book "Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions" on page 34: Hess "was entrusted with the all-important Antarctic file... Hess, himself, kept the Polar File..."

If you look at a map of Antarctica you will see that a portion of Queen Maud Land is called New Schwabenland. This is the part of the continent nearest to South Africa. The Germans made a major expedition to this area in 1938-1939 and began the construction of a major base. For details of this expedition, see the book by Friedrich. This book has pictures of the "warmwater" [geothermal] ponds and other information that will surprise you. It has maps showing that Admiral Byrd's Operation Highjump [Naval Task Force 68] military invasion landed on the side opposite the German bases... The maps of Operation Highjump say that they left the German side of the continent 'unexplored'.

A man who was very influential in modern German post-war politics was Hans-Ulrich Rudel, a frequent guest speaker in German military and political circles. Rudel was the man groomed by Hitler to become his successor. It is known that Rudel made FREQUENT trips to Tierra del Fuego at the tip of South America nearest Antarctica. One of Martin Bormann's last messages from the bunker in Berlin to Doenitz mentioned Tierra del Fuego...

A book called "America's Aircraft Year Book" tells about the U.S. using captured German scientists at Ft. Bliss and Wright Field. "Among those in the German group at Wright Field were Rudolph Hermann, Alexander Lippsisch, Heinz Schmitt, Helmut Heinrich, and Fritz Doblhoff and Ernst Kugel. Hermann was attached to the Peenemunde Research Station for Aerodynamics, where Germany's V-2 rockets were hatched and launched against England. A specialist in supersonics, he was in charge of the supersonic wind tunnel at Kochel in the Bavarian Alps. He also was a member of the group entrusted with Hitler's futuristic plans to establish a space-station rocket-refueling base revolving as a satellite about the Earth at a distance of 4,000 miles -- a scheme which he and certain high-ranking AAF officers in 1947 still believed to be feasible."
Later evidence shows that most or all of the [air] craft and 'flying saucer' scientists (who were not captured - Branton) disappeared. The available evidence indicates they went to South America or Antarctica.

The "El Mercurio" and "Der Weg" papers told of a large submarine convoy discovered by the British Navy at the end of WW II. All available Allied units engaged the convoy and were totally destroyed except for the Captain of one destroyer, who was reported as saying, "May God help me, may I never again encounter such a force." On July 10, 1945, more than two months after the end of the War, the German submarine U-530 surrendered to Argentine authorities. The Commander was Otto Wermoutt. The sub had a crew of 54 men [the normal sub crew was 18 men] and the cargo consisted of 540 barrels of cigarettes and unusually large stocks of food. The Commander was 25 years old, the second officer was 22, and the crew was an average of 25 except for one man who was 32 years old. This was an unusually young crew and upon questioning it was learned that they all claimed that they had no relatives.
A map from a Spanish book called "Is Hitler Alive?" with the route of the Fuhrer convoy shows it passed alongside South Georgia Island, where later a secret underground base was the focus of a secret battle during the Falkland Islands War.

On April 4, 1944 at 4:40 a.m. the German submarine U-859 left on a mysterious mission carrying 67 men and 33 tons of mercury sealed in glass bottles in watertight tin crates. The sub was sunk by a British submarine and most of the crew died. One survivor on his death bed about 30 years later told about the expensive cargo and some divers checked out his story and found the mercury. For what purpose was this mercury to be used? And where were they trying to take it? (apparently mercury is theoretically usable as a fuel source for certain forms of aerospace propulsion. - Branton)

There are many other stories of other U-boats and German survivors, mostly in the Southern Hemisphere. The Germans and other European nations required very meticulous registration records of everybody, including their relatives, employment, addresses, children, etc., and at the end of the war the Allies, cross checking these records, taking into account casualties and deaths, determined that THERE WERE [AT LEAST] 250,000 PERSONS UNACCOUNTED FOR... (That's a quarter of a MILLION, by the way. - Branton)

GERMAN SUBMARINES IN THE SOUTH ATLANTIC

The newspaper "France Soir" had the following account: "Almost 1-1/2 years AFTER cessation of hostilities in Europe, the Islandic [Icelandic?] Whaler, 'Juliana' was stopped by a large German U-boat. The Juliana was in the ANTARCTIC region around Malvinas [now Falkland] Islands when a German submarine surfaced and raised the German official naval Flag of Mourning -- red with a black edge.

The submarine commander sent out a boarding party, which approached the Juliana in a rubber dinghy, and having boarded the whaler demanded of Capt. Hekla part of his fresh food stocks. The request was made in the definite tone of an order to which resistance would have been unwise. The German officer spoke a correct English and paid for his provisions in U.S. dollars, giving the Captain a bonus of $10 for each member of the Juliana crew. Whilst the food stuffs were being transferred to the submarine, the submarine commander informed Capt. Hekla of the exact location of a large school of whales. Later the Juliana found the school of whales where designated."

The French "Agence France Press" on 25 September 1946, said: "The continuous rumors about German U-boat activity in the region of Tierra del Fuego [Feuerland, in German], between the southernmost tip OF LATIN AMERICA AND THE CONTINENT OF ANTARCTICA are based on true happenings."

There have been stories and books written about Germans counterfeiting U.S. currency and otherwise obtaining American money printing plates, which may account for the German use of American money.

The Guinness Book of World Records says that the "greatest unsolved robbery" was the disappearance of the entire German treasury at the end of the war.

http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/omega_file_txt.htm

[karelia]

Wow, what a find, Calz! A lot of it (not all) rings true...

[Calz]

Lol ... link on Kerry's site for the radio interview has not worked for some time (unless she just fixed it) but I found another site that had captured it.

This is much like the Veritas interview with Weidner talking about the Aryans leaving earth and heading to underground shelters on Mars to ride out the expected storm.

Good interview :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAX09XfG60&feature=player_embedded#at=13

[Calz]

More:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElzC8LQnk4c&feature=player_embedded#at=109

[Calz]

More of Weidner ... would apologize ... but it is some of the best information IMHO




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiY4JkogeP8&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVgjKEY-I_4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm2jtY9y7ec&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivz0q4itKo4&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD-lAMyXSeU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7oTqtMaURE&feature=related

[doodah]

I just read this whole thread... what a great thread! I wish I'd been able to be online while it was happening in May and June. Somebody should make this into a book, all this good research. It copied into Microsoft Word at 234 pages - just the meat, without repetitions, jokes, and side chatter.

I have a few questions, if anybody is still looking at this:

1. So who are our modern-day blood ritual/ drug running/ pedophile/ "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law" Luciferians? Who are our modern-day Satanists? I'm assuming they are the followers of Enki and are our garden variety Illuminati and friends? That would include both the Rothschild and Rockefeller factions, wouldn't it? I have a little trouble thinking these are the "good guys."

2. If Enki upgraded mankind and gave us free will, are we just an example of free will gone amok and this always happens at the end of the Kali Yuga? What an awful prospect, that this terrible cycle repeats over and over and over! BUT...

3. Isn't what's different about this time the "ascension" thing? As I understand it, we are being offered an opportunity to not come back into this mess, although apparently the mess will repeat for those who choose it. We are being given an "opt out" - if our vibration is sufficiently raised to allow us that choice. I don't see this mentioned in anybody's analysis, and I'm not sure it's really being taken seriously as an aspect of this particular unique time.

4. The Jewish people have traditionally defined themselves as the "Chosen People" ... chosen by Yahweh/ Jehovah/ Enlil?

5. Inelia has said that Lucifer has departed, chosen to be deconstructed. That would be Enki, correct?
* Someone else said that Enlil had had a change of heart and maybe isn't the enemy of humans anymore?
* Where did the speculation that Enki is inbound come from? If he's deconstructed, he's not bound anywhere!
* If Enlil is still here and has had a change of heart about us, that basically leaves the freewill-run-amok, rape-the-planet Illuminati as our primary enemies, which are surely formidable enough.

A little-known part of the Mayan Endtimes mythology is a thing called "Serpent Ropes" (which may be wormholes) which descend upon the planet and Teachers step through to try to teach us a better way once again. Since the Mayan Endtimes doesn't really include a destruction of the planet but is instead the beginning of a new age (as I understand it), I guess maybe there could be some question as to whether the massive system-wide destruction that Weidner talks about as part of the Kali Yuga will happen.

I had a little trouble with the twisted logic of all this, so please correct me if I've got it wrong... and be gentle! I'm just trying to understand it.

[Calz]

doodah:


and be gentle! I'm just trying to understand it.

... as are we all :)

[Calz]

Interesting little tidbit from Kerry's Blog:


July 19, 2011

Quote from the book, "James Bond is Real" - By Mike Sparks

.."The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Lord Sidious]

Interesting little tidbit from Kerry's Blog:


July 19, 2011

Quote from the book, "James Bond is Real" - By Mike Sparks

.."The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

And if you believe this, I have a large bridge for sale.

[Calz]

And if you believe this, I have a large bridge for sale.

Was going to suggest a marketing angle for the next tele-conference ... but didn't want to sound "mean".

Thanks Sid :)

[modwiz]

Interesting little tidbit from Kerry's Blog:


July 19, 2011

Quote from the book, "James Bond is Real" - By Mike Sparks

.."The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

And if you believe this, I have a large bridge for sale.

Are you still trying to find a buyer for that bridge? Persistence is certainly a trait of yours, lol.

[DoubleHelix]

Kerry's great and all but some of the info she runs with really enters the realm of the complete bogus, I fear her power of discernment as dwindled dramatically.

[doodah]

Lord Sid, re Quote from the book, "James Bond is Real" - By Mike Sparks ...

And if you believe this, I have a large bridge for sale. ... Why do you say that? What do you know about James Bond that Mike Sparks doesn't know? (just curious)

Also... anyone... does anyone have any opinion about whether Enki/Enlil (who may be the same as the Aryans, who may also be the Anunnaki) might in fact be vampires? Weidner says the Aryans are so chalk white in appearance that they are the basis for the vampire "myth." Weidner also says that Hilter is reported to have seen the new Aryans and that they are "terrible."

Why I'm asking... we now have whole generations of children who believe that reptoids are cute, loving dinosaurs (never mind that they were HUGE and would eat you!); they were raised with Barney as a friendly reptilian cartoon character. Perhaps this is social conditioning just in case reptoid ETs show up?

So now I'm wondering about the explosion of vampire literature, movies, etc. Even George Noory interviewed someone on C2C saying how this is such a good thing that young people are expressing their interest in vampires. (First it was Goths, now vampires; I'm not sure how those two are linked, or if they are.)

The bottom line with vampires, of course, is that they willy nilly kill people, drink human blood - HUMAN - by legend, only resorting to animal sources if they can't get human blood, but animal blood isn't satisfying to them, it doesn't sustain them.

I don't know about Enki/Enlil being vampires, but they created the kings... in the Byzantine Empire people thought their kings were vampires. Now we have the Illuminati which have blood rituals associated with them, and of course all sorts of awful mind control, sex slavery, and other activities. Do we know that the 13 bloodlines are NOT actual blood-drinking vampires?

Given that nothing happens by accident or for no reason in this world, it seems awfully strange to me that there is a sudden mass-media (mind control; programming) fixation on vampires, particularly among the young. It is clearly a further desensitization about the taking of human life, but I'm wondering if it may also be more than that.

[Lord Sidious]

I was talking about this bit

The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

[Calz]

Shout out to doodah :horn:

Thanks for your post(s).

Thread will only die if we let it ...

Vampires is related but of another "flavor".

Happy to have new energy pushing these topics along :)

[oceanz]

Am just starting to read some information at this site:

http://www.goldenmean.info/enki/

The word hu-man for example originates from a shortening of the original Sumerian LuLu from An. Lulu was the Annunaki name for the less than bright half breeds they genetically modified to do the gold mining slave work. It is about as honorific as being called a mule. Part horse and part donkey plus it can't reproduce itself. . The Lulu was part Cro Magnon and part Annunaki, and could not reproduce itself. It was only by later doing a 3/4 Annunaki cross involving the CroMagnon Egg in an Annunaki female with an Annunaki sperm, did they get Eve / Isis to be fertile. So to be a H'U from An (Annunaki) merely meant you were in some slave condition.

Well, don't that just make you feel all peachy inside :faint2:

[doodah]

I was talking about this bit

The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

Well, yes, I can see that. But what part of that are you saying is not true?

[Lord Sidious]

I was talking about this bit

The Nazi created Deutsche Bank is in the center of stock market short-selling before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks showing prior knowledge and complicity in this "False Flag" operation to create the necessary Reichstag fire to start a phony war on Islamofascist terrorists but in actuality to build an Amero-fascist 4th Reich Nazi empire in the good name of the peace-loving American people. Fleming certainly knew about the Nazis surviving and threatening us from their underground bases with anti-gravity craft UFOs--but was under threat of death to not tell anyone about it. There are sources unfolding even now as I write, that reveal Fleming was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the escape of THE very top Nazi leaders complete with body doubles and faked deaths."

Well, yes, I can see that. But what part of that are you saying is not true?

Well, for one thing, ask yourself what type of individual uses the term ''islamofascist'' and you will recognise who has written this.
Once you realise who wrote it, you will find out why they wrote it.
This Reichstag fire rubbish goes on and on and on.
There will be no fourth reich, the third was not defeated and is still active.
It is still out there working towards final victory.

[doodah]

Am just starting to read some information at this site:

http://www.goldenmean.info/enki/

The word hu-man for example originates from a shortening of the original Sumerian LuLu from An. Lulu was the Annunaki name for the less than bright half breeds they genetically modified to do the gold mining slave work. It is about as honorific as being called a mule. Part horse and part donkey plus it can't reproduce itself. . The Lulu was part Cro Magnon and part Annunaki, and could not reproduce itself. It was only by later doing a 3/4 Annunaki cross involving the CroMagnon Egg in an Annunaki female with an Annunaki sperm, did they get Eve / Isis to be fertile. So to be a H'U from An (Annunaki) merely meant you were in some slave condition.

Well, don't that just make you feel all peachy inside :faint2:

We're still in a slave condition. I don't see how this can change unless the thoughtform that creates these overlords, the Illuminati and whoever they're in contact with off planet or interdimensionally, is wiped from the face of potentiality in all the universes. Otherwise, they survive and do it all over again.

"May their ships explode, may their underground bunkers implode, and may the Light fry their black souls."

Of course, they could choose to choose the Light, that's okay with me, and just stop doing what they do now.

[doodah]

Thanks for the clarification, Sid. I'd have to agree with you about the "islamofascist terrorists" <sigh> and agree that the Third is still doing its thing.

Richard Dolan's idea that they have progressed to such a hi tech level that they are now effectively a whole separate culture seems true, too. This group, the Reich, or the Illuminati, multinationals, shadow governments, however all this is intertwined, has poisoned and sacrificed the planet - and all the rest of us, of course. If it's Enki or Enlil they're in contact with, and their goal is to get off planet to come back later... same old/ same old. This story is really very boring now after all these thousands of years.

[doodah]

Vampires is related but of another "flavor".

Thanks Cal. Care to expand on that statement? Related how?

[Lord Sidious]

Thanks for the clarification, Sid. I'd have to agree with you about the "islamofascist terrorists" <sigh> and agree that the Third is still doing its thing.

Richard Dolan's idea that they have progressed to such a hi tech level that they are now effectively a whole separate culture seems true, too. This group, the Reich, or the Illuminati, multinationals, shadow governments, however all this is intertwined, has poisoned and sacrificed the planet - and all the rest of us, of course. If it's Enki or Enlil they're in contact with, and their goal is to get off planet to come back later... same old/ same old. This story is really very boring now after all these thousands of years.

The Reich is still aiming to defeat its enemies, the same people that most here are out to defeat, yet most here also lump them all together.
Can you see how crazy that is?
I agree it is getting boring, but that is because we haven't put a stop to it yet.

[doodah]

The Reich is still aiming to defeat its enemies, the same people that most here are out to defeat, yet most here also lump them all together.
Can you see how crazy that is?
I agree it is getting boring, but that is because we haven't put a stop to it yet.
Are you saying the Reich is the good guys?


The same people that most here are out to defeat...
The ones I'd like to defeat are those killing the planet, wanting depopulation, working against life and health, creating the wage/slave/debt society of material inequality, chemtrailing us, HAARPing us, GMOing us. I assume this is the Illuminati I'm referring to but I may be as confused as everyone else.

Rockefellers and Rothschilds backed the Third Reich, so doesn't that put the Reich and the Illuminati in the same bed? As far as I can figure, the Reich and the Illuminati are NOT our friends!

So who were the Reich's enemies? The Khazars, Zionists? (not the Jews per se) Maybe I missed this somewhere in this thread; it's a pretty dense thread. The Zionists are NOT our friends either.

The megacorps are not our friends - they're largely responsible for poisoning the planet. I can't see that we have any friends at all in any positions of real power, which is what is making this all so difficult.

Maybe it would help if you could define your take on who these groups are and how they are different. They really do look all the same to me. NOWHERE on this planet do I see massive GOOD being done for anybody.

If the Reich is leaving because they have stripped the planet and have the tech to leave, they haven't done this single-handedly. Some of their Illuminati friends must also be leaving. Of course, not all, so they will still be the ones "in charge" here if they survive whatever's coming. It's still the same old/ same old whether the Reich returns here afterward or whether those Illumes still here start the whole thing up again - as they will.

UNLESS the ones of "us" who survive don't make the same mistake the Native Americans made on this continent: they should have killed every European MAN they saw (I'm not sure they would have needed to kill the women too). That's the only way the European takeover of this continent could have been stopped, but they didn't know that. Maybe the African tribes were right, to kill all white babies born?

Sorry to be so long-winded. These are very complicated issues.

[Lord Sidious]

I don't know if there are any ''good guys'', but if I was forced to pick sides, I would pick the Reich.
The jews are not their enemies and were only that due to some of them engaging in terrorism in the balkans and other areas where the Reich had troops.
The powers that be on this planet are their enemies and in all likelyhood, those on their way here right now, that you would call aryans, would be aligned with the Reich.
Why do you think the glorious allies are still occupying Germany today?
I was on the side of the Reich before, but now I am not on any sides.
As for your comments on genocide, what are you thinking?
How can you justify genocide of any group?
Come on.

[doodah]

...The powers that be on this planet are their enemies...
I still see the Reich and TPTB as linked ... Rocks and Roths backing them, etc. Are they not linked? How are these PTB therefore their enemies?


As for your comments on genocide, what are you thinking?
How can you justify genocide of any group?
Come on.

Normally I wouldn't advocate genocide of anything, except I do have a problem with just sitting by as I'm being overrun by cockroaches, ants, rattlesnakes, etc etc and do take some effective action against them - trying not to harm the planet in the process.

This story repeats over and over because we haven't stopped them yet. They lie and we are deceived; it is their nature, as it is ours to want to trust. "Eternal vigilance" is a very tiring state to live in.

[Lord Sidious]

...The powers that be on this planet are their enemies...
I still see the Reich and TPTB as linked ... Rocks and Roths backing them, etc. Are they not linked? How are these PTB therefore their enemies?


As for your comments on genocide, what are you thinking?
How can you justify genocide of any group?
Come on.

Normally I wouldn't advocate genocide of anything, except I do have a problem with just sitting by as I'm being overrun by cockroaches, ants, rattlesnakes, etc etc and do take some effective action against them - trying not to harm the planet in the process.

This story repeats over and over because we haven't stopped them yet. They lie and we are deceived; it is their nature, as it is ours to want to trust. "Eternal vigilance" is a very tiring state to live in.

They are linked, they are fighting for their sides goals, other than that, they are opposites.
Forget the trash the history channel teaches, that is so far from reality, but I suspect you know that.
Oh and cute with the talk of rattlesnakes, so white people are now vermin/predators?

[doodah]

Oh and cute with the talk of rattlesnakes, so white people are now vermin/predators?

Now, now, Sid, don't go off on me here. When Europeans appeared on the North American continent, they (who I guess you would call "white") CONQUERED this continent. They were land-greedy mercantile people whose purpose was to find gold and exploit the continent for the natural resources and send all this back to Europe.

Now, the story of the USA being about political freedom, religious freedom, etc etc is partially true, but it is not true at the level of TPTB. The freedom story is for the common folk. At the level of TPTB (being European, being "white") ... I think maybe from a Native American's perspective, yes, they were predators. The Native Americans thought they were crazy. They didn't honor the land, committed genocides of their own as they saw fit, broke every treaty and promise they made. These are facts. How would you deal with that? I put them in the same category as rattlesnakes, which I surely do not want living in my house.

[Lord Sidious]

Oh and cute with the talk of rattlesnakes, so white people are now vermin/predators?

Now, now, Sid, don't go off on me here. When Europeans appeared on the North American continent, they (who I guess you would call "white") CONQUERED this continent. They were land-greedy mercantile people whose purpose was to find gold and exploit the continent for the natural resources and send all this back to Europe.

Now, the story of the USA being about political freedom, religious freedom, etc etc is partially true, but it is not true at the level of TPTB. The freedom story is for the common folk. At the level of TPTB (being European, being "white") ... I think maybe from a Native American's perspective, yes, they were predators. The Native Americans thought they were crazy. They didn't honor the land, committed genocides of their own as they saw fit, broke every treaty and promise they made. These are facts. How would you deal with that? I put them in the same category as rattlesnakes, which I surely do not want living in my house.

I don't disagree with what you say, it is the blanket of ALL of them as rattlesnakes.
If I did that with any other group, I would get caned.
There is so much propoganda about topics involving interracial/cultural conflict it can be hard to see the woods for the trees.
A lot of whites went to america and other nations as convicts with little choice, they are not out to exploit anyone.
And as for the so called powers, they aren't white, jewish or anything else, they are just evil, greedy scumbags who have allegiance to others of their ilk while it suits them.

[gabbahh]

I am scarred.

As a prelude to WW2 we had a financial crisis, following the same pattern as the current one.

In those roaring 30's the idea of the Zionist Jew was introduced, a group of people who want to rule the world. This resulted in a push for World Domination, first by Germany, then by others.

And now, when looking at the alternative media, once more, it is those Zionist Jews.

However this prophet has told me the truth, he has shown me my roots. I am a Zionist.

A7sBuvjnvHI

Don't ya wonder why Zion has been turned into an enemy (stronghold) by the rulers of Babylon???

Jah LIVES!

[doodah]

I don't disagree with what you say, it is the blanket of ALL of them as rattlesnakes.
...
A lot of whites went to america and other nations as convicts with little choice, they are not out to exploit anyone.
And as for the so called powers, they aren't white, jewish or anything else, they are just evil, greedy scumbags who have allegiance to others of their ilk while it suits them.

I don't blanket ALL of ANY people. Yes, many people were sent to America to get rid of them, as prisoners and other "undesirables," but we're talking about the Controllers here, generally, in this thread.

The Evil Machine that keeps us in slavery was brutally transplanted to the North American continent. Whether that originated in European law and culture exclusively, I don't know. For sure, "law" and the whole legal system in America (and probably every place the British Empire ruled - still rules) serves the corporations in a very blatant way. What part the Zionists have in this I don't know although there are those who say they're behind the whole thing, including the British Empire, and they may represent the most ancient roots of it all.

The Evil Machine has now been "globalized" at breakneck speed by the multinational corporations and their armies but there are still cultures resisting the process of assimilation (The BORG!).

[doodah]

After all the discussion about who the Controllers may be and what they may be up to, below I've excerpted quotes from the 77-page pdf posted by David Wilcock on Divinecosmos.com along with other documentation of ET contacts in the 1950s. These channeled messages seem to lay the groundwork for much of what we read today: Love and Light is the only way out of the mess we're in.

I believe that the Creator or Father or Radiant One referred to here is the Source, the Creator of All That Is, not Aryans, Enki or Enlil or other humanoid ETs who have visited this planet and genetically manipulated humankind. These messages say again, as Bob Dean has quoted many times: "Know ye not that ye are Gods?"

From David Wilcock, Divinecosmos.com
Extraterrestrial Human Contacts in the 1950s:
Messages for Today ... and Tomorrow

Sept. 29, 1958
[...] In the beginning man was created with free will. Throughout ages of erroneous thinking he has brought himself to this point of destruction. He still has a choice. He can eliminate himself from this planet or turn to the Creator and make this planet truly a heaven. [...]

Oct. 5, 1958
[...] Everything in the Universe was created in the beginning in perfection. [...] Man changed that perfection through his own thinking. Man has created so-called evil in his own mind. Once he has cleared his mind of his own creations, the true Creation will reveal itself in all its glory, perfection, and harmony. Perfection and Harmony -- two words that are the Key to man's true heaven. [...]

Oct. 6, 1958
[...] A new dawn of understanding is coming to your planet. Man must be prepared for this new understanding, as it employs new concepts and ideas. The people of Earth have lingered long under their false illusions. The time has come to step forth in new and greater glory. People of Earth, learn the wishes of your Creator. Live the way you were intended to live. Peace, Harmony, Perfection. When you do this the beauty of the whole Creation will be revealed.

Oct. 8, 1958
[...] Many strange and wonderful things will come about to start your people thinking. Through their thinking is the only way the people can prepare themselves for this golden dawn of new understanding.

Certain things will disappear when this new age comes about. Greed, money, sickness, lust and hate will all come to pass [away]. Many things we know will not be acceptable in this new age. These things will be replaced by Love. Love -- the greatest force in creation. Our many universes were created out of the Love of the Creator. Love is the only ruling force in these vast universes. When this Love is lost we become unbalanced. If we cannot balance ourselves the job is taken over by the Creator in a wise and just manner. There is still time for the people of Earth to balance themselves [...]

Oct. 11, 1958
[...] The rulers of that day, seeing that the people were following Jesus, decided that if this continued they would lose their control of the people. This they did not wish to happen. So they came to the conclusion he must be destroyed. This you know they did. His teachings were destroyed or changed so that they could do the people very little good. Thus the rulers have kept power over this planet till this day. They knew that once man realized his true kinship with the Creator he could be ruled by no one but the Creator. [...] Man as created is free, master of all the universe, to be ruled by none save the master of us all, our Creator [...]

Oct. 16, 1958
[...] Man in his present state on your planet must change in order to survive. Many things will take place on this is planet, therefore man will have to change with the planet. This solar system is moving into an area of space where the vibrations are much higher. This will cause changes in your planet's features. It will also cause changes in your peoples. The vibrations on the planet will become higher, therefore man will have to raise his vibrations in order to exist on your planet. These vibrations can only be raised by the peoples' thinking -- thinking better thoughts of everything in the creation, more spiritual thinking, thoughts that will lift the people of Earth out of the darkness and mud they have lived in for so long. The principle of free will still exists. Man may change and live on this planet in a true father's kingdom, or he may not, and destroy himself and be reincarnated back in a third density materialistic world where he would continue to try to learn his lessons. [...]

Oct 26, 1958
[...] This love that created all the universes created you also. All love comes from the Creator. The Creator created all things with this love. As you are one of the whole creation, you are one with the father. [...] All are one with the father.

Oct. 31, 1958
[...] Live in love as it was intended, not as a possessive attitude you have on your planet. Man is responsible for this restriction on your planet, not the Creator. The Creator created everything in love and harmony, man has changed this otherwise [...]

Nov. 1, 1958
[...] the Creator created everything perfect and perfect it has remained. Only man has brought changes by his thinking otherwise. Throughout ages of wrong thinking he has created evil so strong he cannot see the true Creation [...]

Monday, Dec. 8, 1958
(by Hatton)
Man is the Father's most perfect creation. Yet on your planet he lives in darkness and a life of drudgery. Man should live in love, peace and harmony as was intended in the beginning of creation. Wrong thinking has brought him to this present state of destruction. This has happened before on this planet, and man had to start at the bottom again. This condition will not be on your planet, after it is straightened out this time. [emphasis mine] This planet and solar system are moving into a new area of vibrations, in which conditions as they are now on this planet will not survive. That is why the peoples of this planet must learn the truth concerning the Father's creation. Love, peace and harmony are all that will exist in the Father's true creation. Many will not believe our story but if they do not they are not punished by the Father. They are simply removed to another planet, in a just manner by the Father, where they will try to learn their lessons of love, peace and harmony all over again. [...]

Dec. 8, 1958
[...] regardless of race, creed or color all peoples are the sons and daughters of the most Radiant One. Not just a chosen few. This also means that everything in the creation is from the Father. If your peoples would only realize that this is so, what a change would take place on your planet. Many, many planets know this and living the way of creation.

Love, Peace and Harmony is what was created. Why have hate, wars and discord through your planet? Some of the peoples think they are better than others, in reality they are not; all are the same children of the Father. Others try to rule by force; this should not be. Free will was created; why should the wrong thinking of a few be forced upon many?

All of these things are making an unbalanced condition on and around your planet. At times the Father has to rebalance some of the planets and solar systems. That is what is about to take place on your planet. Conditions on your planet can cause unbalance in the whole solar system, so it must be balanced back into the harmony of the creation.

Many, many will not be able to see the truth as we are presenting it, others will see the truth of love and light from the Father and reap the many blessings of the Father. This will truly be a heavenly planet to exist upon. This planet Earth is one of the most beautiful planets in the universes. [...] "Why oh why people of Earth can't you realize the love of the Father and dwell within his kingdom of love, peace, and harmony?"

Dec. 10, 1958
[...] Many of your peoples have a true understanding of love, others do not even know the meaning of the word. Love is expressed in many ways, in one’s thoughts, physical love in the contact of two people, in one’s deeds to other people, but the real meaning of love is to be able to look upon your fellow man and see the Creator regardless of how this person is expressing himself. This is true love. This is the love you must gain to enter the kingdom of heaven, as is stated in a similar manner in your Holy Works. This is the love that created all creation in love and beauty. Yes there is beauty throughout all creation. Most of your peoples lack the ability to see it. Beauty is everywhere because everything was created from the love of the Father. If there had not been love before the beginning of creation there would be no creation. [...] Practice this love, see everything and everyone as the Creator and you will truly find your heaven without leaving the planet Earth.

Dec. 11, 1958
[...] Love one another, love everything in the creation, that is the mission the people of Earth must fulfill before they leave the confinement of this planet. [...] No one else can do this for you. You must do this for yourself.

Dec. 17, 1958
[...] Your peoples have had this knowledge of love and light available for centuries but for one reason or another they have chosen to ignore it. There are enough of the teachings of the man called Jesus for each and every one to know what is required.

People of Earth, do you wish to live in poverty, illness, drudgery, and ignorance all your lives? The Father has a much better way of life available for all of you, if you will make the effort to gain it. Your Holy Works state: "The Lord helps those who help themselves." Put forth the effort, people of Earth, and gain your rightful place in the Father's Kingdom.

Man is the Father's most perfect creation. Should he dwell in darkness for so long a period because of hate, ignorance of the Father's plan for them, and love of material things?

Dec. 24, 1958
This man Jesus taught brotherly love of one another and love of the Father. Through his understanding of the Father and his creation, he was able to demonstrate miracles, as you call them. These were not miracles but normal, natural things that man can do when he realizes his kinship with the Father, and expresses his love of the Father. This was the real reason of the teachings of Jesus. To show man what he could be if he lived in brotherly love, peace and harmony with his fellow man.

The deeds and thoughts of this man Jesus were pure and simple. That is what it takes - simple living, pure deeds and thoughts of the Father and your fellow man.

[...] We do not mean any disrespect to this person when we refer to him as the man Jesus. He is not the only son of God, as believed by your peoples. All mankind is the sons and daughters of the Father, not just one. We respect and love this man Jesus because he, out of many, was able to realize and demonstrate his true relationship with the Father, as all peoples of this planet are capable of doing if they would but learn the truth and rid themselves of Hate and Fear they now possess -- hate of one another, and fear of punishment from the Father, as taught by most of your religions.

There is nothing difficult. Live the normal, natural way of love, as you were created by the Father. [...] Why must there be anything else?

Dec. 25, 1958
[...] A great number of your religious leaders know of this way of life of the Father but they dare not teach it for fear of losing their hold on the masses of the people they have ruled for so many years. Once man knows the truth, he has no further need of religious organizations. This the churches know. That is why the truth has been kept from the people of Earth for so many centuries.

The man called Jesus was born a simple man like the rest of your peoples but he realized his kinship with the Father and was able to do the things that the Father meant for all his children. Your teacher Jesus said, "These things I do ye can do also and more." Do you the people of Earth believe that your brother Jesus lied to you? No I think not. It is just that you have not been taught the real love and understanding of the Father.

Your Brother Jesus said Love one another, love the Father. Do this, our brothers and sisters of Earth so that we may join hands across endless space and live together as we once did long ago.

Jan. 18, 1959
(by Latue)
[...] You are in the Kingdom of the Father’s mansions now. Wake up my children and realize you are in the Kingdom of God, as you say, now, this very moment. Live in love, the love that is your creation.

Remember these words, I am always with you. You will never be closer to the Father. All you have to do is realize this. You and the Father are one. You are a perfect part of the perfect creation, created by a perfect Father who is all love, all wisdom of the universe.

Jan 19, 1959
(by Latue)
[...] You are the Creator of all you survey. Would it not be better to create love, peace and harmony? This is the path of the Father. Anything else is the path of man.

Jan 10, 1959
(by Hatton)
[...] Evil does not exist. It was not created in the beginning by the Father. It has been created in the mind of man, and can only be gotten rid of by man, through a change in his thinking.

The evil of man's mind has run wild on this planet for a long, long time. This will not be possible in the near future. Evil will not be able to survive in the new age coming to this planet. Those who cannot accept good and love over evil will have to go to another schoolroom. This schoolroom will be for higher students of life in the coming new age.

Prepare yourselves people of Earth. Change your thinking to love, peace and harmony so that you may live with your brothers and sisters as was intended. It is not too late people of Earth. The Father is with you always. Just realize this and live in love, love of the Father and love of one another.

Feb. 3, 1959
(by Hatton)
[...] It is time O people of Earth to change. Have you not grown tired of strife, hate, wars, poverty, sickness, and a host of other things that are not of the Father? The Father created only good and perfection. You the people of Earth are a part of that good and perfection. How long, O how long will this good and perfection be hidden by man's thinking otherwise? Soon, we hope the people of Earth will see the light of the Father that once reigned on this planet.

Message for a New Group
[...] Man of Earth how little you know of your real self. How little you know. You have no idea of the powers that are locked within you. [...] In your seeking, seek also the wisdom that is needed to bring forth and use these powers that you have. Wisdom, self control, emotional control, elimination of self and ego -- all these things are necessary and above all learn to love and understand one another.

Jan 5, 1963
(by Clytron)
[...] For the lesser god called Man, evolving towards a greater godhood, has but a few steps to climb in his evolutionary ladder towards that god-consciousness which is in truth his own, which was EVER his own if he would but reach out and grasp it and acknowledge himself. Hath not the One who came and taught ye of Love said unto you, "Know ye not that ye are Gods?" And know ye not that ye ARE gods. For in thine own essence thou art the quintessence of godhood... If thou are created of Him, then must thou not also have within thee that spark which is of divinity, the part of thee which is of the Creator?

[...] Have ye not heard that the Earth planet is a school for godhood and know ye not that this is Truth, strange as it may seem to thee who look at the Earth world and note its many imperfections? It is, nonetheless, a school for gods.

[...] I speak from my journeyings in Space, from my observings of other planets and other worlds, and I would say indeed, that small in number but great in quality shall be the harvest of this day's reapings when this day dawneth and the harvest is gathered and the change comes upon this planet called Earth, this globe spinning so greenly in its orb.

[...] And the Kingdoms which ye call the Devic, the Nature Kingdoms, the animal Kingdoms and the mineral upon thy planet, shall also make a step upward in their own conscious unfoldment at the time which comes fast upon thy planet now. [...] So shall these things take place upon thy planet which were pre-ordained since the beginnings of time. And the cycle shall end and a new one go forward and a new day shall dawn and in that day shall the children of Men become as the sons and daughters of Light, conscious of their godhood and their oneness with ALL that exists, with ALL that IS.

May 26, 1964
[...] You are already aware of the fact that at this period of time there is a tremendous stirring up [...] of old and rigid patterns upon the surface of the Earth planet. Earthman stands at the end of an era, at the end of an age which has been spoken of in many of your Holy Works throughout your planet, not only those known in the Christian world or the Western world but also known to the Eastern sages, as the ends of certain periods of time.

[...] That which has been of tremendous age, both in man's ideas or concepts and that which has been of rigid valuation, must inevitably break asunder at this period, for if this were not so, Man would continue in this pattern of rigidity and would remain as the chick within the egg, confined within a small hard shall of his own limitation; and truly [...] Man would die or would die out as a conscious entity upon this planet. This will not take place, but in order that it will not take place, a shattering must occur of that which is outworn in order that Man's consciousness may spiral ever upwards unto the new octave of expressed values.

[...] for the entry of planet Earth into the Solar System in the sense of rejoining the Confederation of Planets, that Earth may once more become a member of the Saturn Tribunal and may send delegates to this Saturn Tribunal which as you know is the head of governments of the Solar System.

[...] Earth has been the lagging one in this system. Civilizations have risen and have fallen upon this planet and always when Earth man has reached a certain period of scientific development he has misused this and perverted the Laws governing things Cosmic unto his own small destructive tendencies. This must stop and at this period of time so great have been the destructive tendencies or motivations brought into being upon this planet that it is inevitable that a certain outworking manifests in that which we prefer to call a cleansing of the planet Earth.

[...] Therefore, CHANGE will come to the planet Earth, change which may be viewed only as a cleansing and freeing from the rigidity and from the limited patterns. Change will be brought about bringing in the Golden Age and the ever-ascending spiral of consciousness unto the god-self, unto the reunion of Man with his brothers in Space, and to a greater understanding within him of his part in the creation of the All-Knowing One.

[Calz]

Thanks doodah,

I watched the vids but have not had time to go through the material on the pdf.


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Some here may be interested in listening to the Jonathan Gray c2c recordings as brought out in this thread. Interesting rebuttal (of sorts) to Sitchin material regarding the Sumerian timeframe:


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25937-Ancient-Suppressed-Discoveries-with-Jonathan-Gray

[doodah]

Hi Cal,

The Jonathan Gray material sounds interesting. Of course, other Sumerian scholars have said all along that Sitchin's "translations" were not accurate. It's interesting that that idea is gaining weight.

It's also interesting that right now there's quite a number of threads on Avalon with channeled messages encouraging the Love and Light approach to living. That message cannot be repeated too many times.

[Calz]

Hi Cal,

The Jonathan Gray material sounds interesting. Of course, other Sumerian scholars have said all along that Sitchin's "translations" were not accurate. It's interesting that that idea is gaining weight.

It's also interesting that right now there's quite a number of threads on Avalon with channeled messages encouraging the Love and Light approach to living. That message cannot be repeated too many times.

Listening right now. Fascinating.


Six one hour audios with Jonathan Gray

Ancient & Suppressed Discoveries with Jonathan Gray

Explorer and archaeologist Jonathan Gray discussed discoveries that demonstrate advanced ancient technology. Because such artifacts don't match current academic beliefs they are often suppressed, with evidence destroyed or hidden, he said, citing the Smithsonian Institution, and countries such as Peru, America, Israel, New Zealand, France, and Australia as being involved in covering-up evidence.

Some of the suppressed ancient discoveries he highlighted:

* A kind of glassware in Egypt and Peru that can be bent like plastic.

* Screen projectors used in Egyptian temples, with movement and sound simulation.

* Artifacts and buildings left on the moon-- Chinese records speak of trips to the moon.

* The 'Black Knight' satellite-- ancient races talked about putting up satellites.

* An ancient underground complex discovered in Southern California that included star charts on aluminum sheets.

* Micro-techology found in Russia, with some objects as small as 1/1000th of an inch.

* Maps of the ancient world that showed Antarctica as free of ice and populated.

* The Egyptian pyramids (as well as the structure at Baalbek) were built through a anti-gravity technology using sound waves to lift heavy objects.

* Underground tunnels that go for hundreds of miles appear to be cut with a laser beam.

* Ancient cave paintings depict people wearing modern clothes.

Gray also spoke about his challenge to the work of Zecharia Sitchin, who contends that an ET race, the Annunaki, visited Earth from the planet Nibiru. Sitchin's translations of Sumerian cuneiform does not match the accepted dictionary meanings, he commented.

Long ago and far away ... back toward the start of this thread ... was mention of the Celtic civizilation.

In the Gray recording # 6 about 3 minutes in talking about a dig in New Zealand where many 8-9 foot skeletons have been recovered can be traced to the Celts. New Zealand government produced documents sealing this information from the public for 75 years under the guise of "national security".

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12 minutes into same # 6 he suggests the Arc of the Covenant ***may*** have been found under Jerusalem ... announced for one day on the news then suppressed (of course).

He touches briefly again on the Celts at about the 30 minutes mark into that same # 6.


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Finished with both interviews. Enjoyed those.

Some of the stuff on his site doesn't resonate however.

Interesting listen from the archaeology aspect.

[doodah]

Cool stuff. Edgar Cayce said long ago that sound technology was used in building the ancient megalithic structures, which is why we can't figure out how they did it because we don't have that technology any more. David Wilcock has reported about monks in Tibet(?) raising giant stones to the top of a cliff using sound generated by musical instruments, drums, and chanting.

It begins to look like we're recycling the same tech, especially since there's such a brutal grabbing for ancient artifacts and such. About that stone in a tomb(?) in Egypt showing modern-day helicopters and such... I'm not real sure I believe that one. All the lines in the drawings are a little too neat and clean, not like they've been there several thousand years. And how come nobody ever noticed that drawing until relatively recently? [edit to add] I'd guess it's because it wasn't there until relatively recently.

And why do we have to be protected from giant skeletons? Except somebody posted on here that there are no such people as the Celts... I'll have to look into that.

[Calz]

And why do we have to be protected from giant skeletons? Except somebody posted on here that there are no such people as the Celts... I'll have to look into that.

Don't remember anyone suggesting the Celts did *not* exist ... but clearly the governments of the world have been doing all they can to suppress our true history.

The point he was making regarding the Celts is they had migrated all the way to New Zealand (or at least some of them).

[doodah]

And why do we have to be protected from giant skeletons? Except somebody posted on here that there are no such people as the Celts... I'll have to look into that.

Don't remember anyone suggesting the Celts did *not* exist ... but clearly the governments of the world have been doing all they can to suppress our true history.

The point he was making regarding the Celts is they had migrated all the way to New Zealand (or at least some of them).

Right, that the Celts migrated. And by the skeleton size, they would have been from the time when Giants Walked the Earth, therefore hybrids of the Aryan/Anunnaki/Archons, right? Klaus Dona had lots of information about giant skeletons in South America and was supposedly trying to put together an expedition to document some of them.

The post on here about the Celts was by someone named Cymry or something like that. I can't seem to ever turn up much when I do a search, so I couldn't find exactly what I was remembering (or mis-remembering). The post had to do with the people of Wales.

[doodah]

12 minutes into same # 6 he suggests the Arc of the Covenant ***may*** have been found under Jerusalem ... announced for one day on the news then suppressed (of course).

Is the Ark of the Covenant supposed to have been some kind of communication device for talking with Yahweh?

I heard a woman on C2C [can't recall name] talking about how the New Testament fails to emphasize how people "had to go to the Temple to speak with God." This almost sounds like some kind of direct communication, not prayer.

[edit to add]: The "Cymry" I mentioned appeared in the "A Look Beneath the Holocaust Propaganda" thread which was referenced earlier in this thread. Since I read everything all at one go, I got the two mixed up. Here's the reference, which raises some interesting questions about suppressed history that would require yet more research to understand correctly:


Bryn ap Gwilym
What is ironic is the Jews were not the Israelites but only about 19 small tribes in the far south. The Israelites were the Omrides, today's Cymry (Welsh). ... The holocaust is nothing more than Zion propaganda. along with Jewish so called history resulting in covering up an ancient royal bloodline & replacing it with the frauds we know today.
The Cymry are still fighting the war machine on a daily base now while the rest of the world sleeps in its brainwashed English indoctrinated slumber.
The gypsies are also of Cymry descent.

29th January 2011 17:01
Fred259
Quote:
I was just wondering if when you say today's Cymry, do you really mean "Celts"?

29th January 2011 18:10
Bryn ap Gwilym
No I don't mean Celts. In essence there is no such people as the Celts, for this was yet another 17th century English invention to suppress & confuse the masses. It also doubled up for intertwining false bloodlines into the Cymry history thus enabling them to falsely claim a throne, but these false monarchs still need the Jacobs pillow / stone of Skone (scone). The Cymry has this title by birth right.

War machine:
We are still fighting for our language to have equal rights for the Zionists / English are trying their hardest to stamp it out. S4c is the only Cymraeg language channel on the planet, but Westminster is in the process of closing it down.

Cymraeg, Coelbren & hieroglyphics are all the same & hold the very key of history. If the masses start to study the language then the game is up for the frauds. (Look up Alan Wilson & Baram Blackette - MOSES IN THE HIEROGLYPHS) http://www.kingarthurslegacy.com/bookmoses.html Suppressed historians.

Our history is refused in schools including Uni. While English brainwashing make-believe is forced on the world. [...]

The only language that isn't allowed to be spoken in the House of Commons is Cymraeg, while the likes of German & Yiddish is used. Political red tape along with their law lords, shills, trolls etc are doing their damned hardest to erase the Cymry once & for all. The list is endless.

[...] How many Americans know that Cymraeg is on the [Washington] monument? Two years ago scaffolding was erected for Bush wanted it removed. He failed. The same time he ordered the plaque of Prince Madoc to be taken down & destroyed. It was taken down, but a higher power ordered it to be put back up.

29th January 2011 18:42
Lettherebelight
Bryn ap Gwilym,
You have raised a most interesting point here on this thread regarding persecuted people. The people of Cymry, who originally inhabited a much larger geographical area, have been hounded and culturally suppressed for hundreds of years.

It is little known fact that their culture was extremely advanced, extremely ancient and shared many similarities to ancient Vedic culture. There are many Welsh words today that are uncannily similar to their Sanskrit counterpart.

The question is why do dark forces want to obliterate the mystic knowledge of Cymry? Your references to the Washington monument, etc. are most intriguing.

[Calz]

Anybody familiar with or lend credibility to Laurence Gardner's research on the Anunnaki?

I found a Sumerian Family Tree that looks interesting but it won't let me copy the text nor capture an image.

The Grand Assembly of the Anunnaki


Here is the link to the document:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward186.htm


Here is the link to Gardner's site:

http://graal.co.uk/

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.halexandria.org/images/scan0083.gif

[oceanz]

If Enki created humans, is this why a large percentage of the human body is made of water because Enki is the God of water?

[Anno]

If Enki created humans, is this why a large percentage of the human body is made of water because Enki is the God of water?

Maybe it refers to the idea that the spirit Enki works their influence through Water, either literally or symbolicly? We are pretty much ruled by our emotions and they are Water.

To say anyone created humans is a bit of a stretch of the truth I think. From what I'm reading, Human refers to the physical form that was created to caputre a specific type of 'Spirit'.

Conversations like this can so easily be distracted by 'racism' when people identify with their body. I like to remind myself that when you say Enki created Humans, it's like saying Ford created the Mustang.

I do think that the White races came from 'out there' and to people like the Black Power movement that can be used to back up their "white man is the devil" nonesense. The fact is, I am 'in' a white body, I am not 'a' white body.

[Calz]

Anno:


The fact is, I am 'in' a white body, I am not 'a' white body.

Or as David Icke puts it "We are Infinite Consciousness having a human experience".

[Mark]

[QUOTE=oceanz;275868]I do think that the White races came from 'out there' and to people like the Black Power movement that can be used to back up their "white man is the devil" nonesense. The fact is, I am 'in' a white body, I am not 'a' white body.

We are all in bodies, we are not these bodies. Your comment is therefore meaningless in the context you place it, as those "black nationalists" are equal to you in essence, being souls on a human journey as well, and therefore subject to the same worldly conundrums as everyone else. Their experiences are directly related to the immediate experience of negative externalities, which you might have difficulty comprehending, not having to go through them yourself. You "are" your white body just as much as they are their black bodies, and you "are" connected to the history of your white body just as they are connected to the history of their black bodies. Denigrating the perspective they put forth which is based upon over 400 years of negative experience with "Caucasians" could be countered by a measured recounting of relevant factoids pertaining to that history, but in this venue such would probably be worse than pointless.

Trying to get around this reality by utilizing semantics is therfore useless as the ramifications of our incarnations and responsibilities cannot be avoided no matter how much we would like to, on an individual as well as a group level. An interesting question pertaining to this topic is the question of reincarnation, and how souls reincarnate in kin-groups and in the same general ethnicities. In Africa, for instance, it is commonly believed in some tribal groups that reincarnation generally occurs within the same family ... Ancestors, are always with us ... our parents, grandparents all come back to us through us, which is why, for Africans and African-descended folk, family is generally so important ...

Just took about 6 hours to read this entire thread, so I'm not coming into it just having read the last few msgs. What an interesting and revealing thread. I also followed many of the links, looked at and tabbed a lot of the videos. Much of this information I'd read before, but some of it was new. I'm always glad to learn more about the hidden history of this planet, as well as the relation of humanity as a family to those extra-terrestrials who have made there way here and done what they've done to us in the name of service-to-self at the interpersonal level, but so obviously service-to-others at the higher density level of ultimate causation. Seems to me that they've created quite the conundrum for themselves in creating a race of beings who have spiritual capabilities that they themselves can only yearn for.

I like to find the things in common across many threads and synthesize them. By so doing it is possible to come up with common themes that more often than not comprise the simple truth of the matter beyond which all else is fluff and subject to falsification. The themes running through this thread and general conclusions derived therefrom seem to coalesce around the following:

1) what we now consider to be the white race is the remnant of an alien invasion that occurred in relatively recent times (4-6,000 years).

2) the genetics of this alien race - through the expansion of Europeans outwards into the rest of the world through colonization/imperialism/globalism - have been mixed with the genetics of the other races on this planet, who are hybrids of earlier alien/hominid genetic experiments.

3) the white race is the one which is most closely aligned with relatively recent extra-terrestrial origins and have something to do with Reptilians/Anunnaki and Pleidians who may or may not be one and the same.

4) the other races on the planet are more closely connected to the hominids and alien species - presumably some form of Reptilian/Anunnaki and/or Maldekian/Grey/Zeta - that predate the arrival upon the planet of the most recent ancestors of the white race.

5) Being more recently connected to certain factions of alien origin which may or may not be now on the ascendancy, the "white race" is now the group being utilized by these extraterrestrials to complete their designs, whatever they may be, upon this planet and its other inhabitants.

Obviously, as these are generalizations regarding the thread and not inclusive of every single theory that has been brought to bear, I've left out some specifics that may conflict with the above. This was done based upon my own discernment and the knowledge I bring from my own research and experiences. The quote that I left above relates to a perspective not represented here, probably purposefully, and coming generally from the side of the spectrum referenced by the poster. My questions are these, for any who wish to respond:

1) What of the mitochondrial eve (out-of-Africa) theory? Michael Cremo does an excellent job in "Human Devolution" of speaking to the statistical shortcomings of the original formulation of the theory, but his book does little to explain the continuing research coming not only from American, but European and Asian biologists and genetic researchers that find the oldest basal clades (genetic root structures) originating in Africa. Lord Sidious, I recall your statement that it is the primate aspect that is being tracked here, corresponding to your theory that different ET groups created hominids. Any other takers?

2) If, as has been shown here through an excellent exploration of the Nazi aspect, there is a "breakaway civilization" comprised of members of the 3rd Reich and their descendants, are they the ones who are currently attempting to flee the Earth so as to escape possible impending doom? If so, are they doing so with their Aryan masters? If that is the case, then why the continuing stories revolving around genetic tests, hybrid creation and abductions, not only in Europe and the Americas, but also in Africa, as evidenced by the testimony of Credo Mutwah and many others?

3) What are the spiritual implications o all of this? The obvious service-to-self/evil ramifications of this constellation of potential "facts" cannot be overlooked. Were the Aryans supposed to interfere with those who were here before them, if that is even true? Were the Anunnaki supposed to? The Greys? Other extraterrestrial races? Does all of this contribute to the greater evolution of the human family and, if so, does this negate all of the negative occurrences that have been associated with this ongoing experiment in consciousness?

Obviously it is a gigantic topic. I appreciate each and every one of the posters and contributors to this thread, thank you all so much for the time, energy and effort that you put into researching and elucidating these difficult and contentious topics. They must be discussed, freely and openly if we are ever, as a human family, to truly know who we are and what exactly has been done to us to place us in this predicament that we are currently in.

[oceanz]

[QUOTE=Anno;276057][QUOTE=oceanz;275868]I do think that the White races came from 'out there' and to people like the Black Power movement that can be used to back up their "white man is the devil" nonesense. The fact is, I am 'in' a white body, I am not 'a' white body.

We are all in bodies, we are not these bodies. Your comment is therefore meaningless in the context you place itQUOTE]

I think you'll find it was Anno's quote and not mine ;)

[Anno]

I do think that the White races came from 'out there' and to people like the Black Power movement that can be used to back up their "white man is the devil" nonesense. The fact is, I am 'in' a white body, I am not 'a' white body.

We are all in bodies, we are not these bodies. Your comment is therefore meaningless in the context you place it


I think you'll find it was Anno's quote and not mine ;)

We can pretend you said it if you want. I'm not really in the mood today. To be honest, it's the kind of thing I'd ignore anyway. I think we all know in the real world, race is a very very real issue to most people and many are killed and abused every day because of it. On the internet it's ok to be all love and light but the next time someone is trying to mug or kill you for your race, try it out on them and see what happens.

Meanwhile, back on topic: So I see the Nazi's may have had the Atom Bomb and used it as a big carrot to set up Paperclip/Nasa etc and also as a sneaky cover for keeping Vortex Energy and UFOS.

[Davidallany]

I'm not really in the mood today Why not Anno?

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap for a slightly OT excursion...


The term “race” has many definitions, ranging from a family unit to a species, but in common and medical usage, defining “race” has meant separating Homo sapiens into three to six groups.This division of Homo sapiens into race taxons started in the 18th century, when the sciences of genetics and evolutionary biology were not yet invented. These disciplines have since shown that human race taxonomy has no scientific basis. Race categories are social constructs, that is, concepts created from prevailing social perceptions without scientific evidence. Despite modern proof that race is arbitrary biological fiction, racial taxons are still used widely in medical teaching, practice, and research. Human diversity is inconsistently taught in medical schools and erratically presented in medical texts. Race taxons have been “medicalized”; that is, race groupings have been legitimized by their use in medical literature and practice as acceptable descriptive labels that are integral to the proper diagnosis and treatment of disease in humans. Assumptions about disease that are made because a race has been assigned can result in important negative consequences for individual patients and inaccurate genetic inferences for populations.
In contrast, ethnicity is a concept that incorporates social, religious, linguistic, dietary, and other variables to identify individual persons and populations.Ethnicity may be able to impart clinical clues to diagnosis if the clinician taking the history is well informed and open minded. Ethnic boundaries are dynamic and imprecise, and a strict methodical approach to ethnicity that is equal to the approach required for the study of other variables is necessary if the concept of ethnicity is to be clinically useful.

source http://www.annals.org/content/125/8/675.short
NB My bold.

So what ethnic grouping would one put Enlil, Enki and co... :p

PS thanks for the great thread all !!

[Davidallany]

So what ethnic grouping would one put Enlil, Enki and co
They are Anunakians.

Scientists have recently found that Neanderthals had bigger brains than original humans who lived in Africa, moreover, they found at least 4% of Neanderthal DNA in all human groups except indigenous Africans.
They are theorizing that some original humans from Africa migrated north and intermingled with Neanderthals who had big frame, white skin and blond hair, thus producing today's people in asia and Europe.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/

[Mark]

I think you'll find it was Anno's quote and not mine ;)

Hi Oceanz, please forgive me for the "quote mess", I did realize that and thought I'd kept and erased the right text, obviously not. My bad!


We can pretend you said it if you want. I'm not really in the mood today. To be honest, it's the kind of thing I'd ignore anyway. I think we all know in the real world, race is a very very real issue to most people and many are killed and abused every day because of it. On the internet it's ok to be all love and light but the next time someone is trying to mug or kill you for your race, try it out on them and see what happens.

Meanwhile, back on topic: So I see the Nazi's may have had the Atom Bomb and used it as a big carrot to set up Paperclip/Nasa etc and also as a sneaky cover for keeping Vortex Energy and UFOS.

Anything having to do with race is on-topic in this thread, as the entire thread is about race. You cannot speak only of the "white" race and expect not to have to discuss the context. Since our "real world" experience is that which comprises the parameters of our belief systems and knowledge bases it is pertinent to discuss the offhand remarks of members contributing to a thread in the greater context, as your original context and derisive remark toward so-called "Black nationalists" - which is a misnomer at best - was dismissive of quite a long history of scholarship as well as a sober recounting of an admittedly subjective yet accurate generalization of the behavior of one sub-family of humanity in its interactions with the rest in what are called "modern" or "historical" times. The term "devil" is used to describe individual as well as collective behavior, is a stereotype and representative of actions and outcomes, as well as intentions. The discussion of that aspect of the "white race" is pertinent to the thread since there has been, during the thread's progression, discussion of the Archons, the Anunnaki and the Greys, all of which have, at some point or another been considered "devilish" by one part or another of the human family. So, if there is some truth to these tales, then claiming an almost direct descent from one faction or another of these groups might be considered by some as "owning" a devilish heritage, if we want to be consistent in how we are looking at these things and, since you brought it up in the first place. I thank you for that, as it is also a pertinent aspect of the originally discussion and is imminently on-topic, not off.




They are Anunakians.

Scientists have recently found that Neanderthals had bigger brains than original humans who lived in Africa, moreover, they found at least 4% of Neanderthal DNA in all human groups except indigenous Africans. They are theorizing that some original humans from Africa migrated north and intermingled with Neanderthals who had big frame, white skin and blond hair, thus producing today's people in asia and Europe.

Thank you for this, David. I actually really love this part of the new and revised genetic history of humanity, as I've followed this debate for over a decade now and have always wondered what the problem was for Europeans claiming their Neanderthal heritage. Not just Europeans, but all of us who have European blood due to the deprivations of what the "Black Nationalists" call "The Maafa", or the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. So it is me claiming my Neanderthal heritage as well, which I think is kind of cool. But what are the implications of such? Who were the Neanderthals and what did they contribute to the human family? Were they another experiment of the Anunnaki/Archons/Aryans? Cro Magnon existed alongside Neanderthal for some thousands of years in the Levant and in different parts of central and eastern Europe, there was definitely some genetic admixture but what, culturally and spiritually, was the net effect of this co-mingling, I wonder ... For the longest, Neanderthals were depicted as being brutish and dark-skinned, their culture seen as simple and regressive, with nothing beyond an ability to create a simple kind of tool. In recent years, as the genetic argument has turned more and more toward the opposite end of the spectrum, it has been enlightening to watch the visual depiction of Neanderthals shift as a new examination of their culture and contributions to the Human Family have been depicted in a more favorable and "humane" light (http://www.athenapub.com/8shea1.htm). The implications of the research seem to reveal that the civilizing or higher and more modern intrusion of genetic stuff by way of Homo Sapiens, then, came from the south. The story the archaeological and genetic record then tells, is that dark-skinned Homo-Sapiens lived close to and mated with light-skinned Neanderthals, resulting, finally, in the creation of the newest branch of the human family upon the earth, the "white" race.

I'm reading the Kolbrin Bible (http://www.thekolbrin.com/) currently, which has an amazing set of Creation tales that loosely corresponds to that which is given in Genesis, which is itself a loose and simple retelling of older Sumerian Creation tales. Even those "Black Nationlists" that Anno mentioned earlier, particularly the Nation of Islam, have a set of beliefs that speak to a form of "creation with Creation", which seems to be a recurring theme and a fundamental expression of Consciousness across the galaxy and universe. They say that the white race was created by a black scientist known as Yakub, on the island of Patmos in the Aegean sea over a period of some centuries to be a "disagreeable" people and opposite to the original people (read Black) yet, necessary, for the testing and evolution of the world and the Divine plan. The Kolbrin speaks of "the sons of god" who stayed apart, and then merged genetically with the others who also lived on the earth, described in this book as a lesser species. This genetic merging then evolved over what seems to be quite a long period of time into the resolution of these differential genetic stock into one, human race. The book also speaks of groups of people who were descended from animals, the implication being that genetic experimentation was rife back in the day, but that all of it went, eventually, into the creation of a composite human race originating from many different species existent upon this planet. So when scientists say that everything on this planet shares the majority of the same genome, ranging from +70% to +97%, it may not have happened the way they think, in some process of evolution by which we were everything before we were human, but instead, by the admixture of different forms of life with the "human".

Chimpanzees have type A blood, with some instances of O, but never B. Gorillas have type B blood, with some instances of O, but never A. So does this mean that modern humans are descended from these primates, or does it mean that the ancestors of these two primates were used as the base stock for Anunnaki and other genetic research, whereby the essence of the alien "Other" was grafted onto them, resulting in the creation of modern humans, with the addition of the genetic strands of other lifeforms on the planet?

Since ALL humans have blood type of one of the above - notwithstanding the RH negative and positive contention - does that not mean that ALL humans are from this planet, even if the members of the "white" race, the youngest race upon this planet, is the newest one to be grafted?

[Anno]

[...]those "black nationalists" are equal to you in essence, being souls on a human journey as well, and therefore subject to the same worldly conundrums as everyone else. [...]which you might have difficulty comprehending, not having to go through them yourself.[...]

In one breath we're all equal and in the next, one has 'harder' problems and lessons the other can not comprehend.


[...]Denigrating the perspective they put forth which is based upon over 400 years of negative experience with "Caucasians" could be countered by a measured recounting of relevant factoids pertaining to that history, but in this venue such would probably be worse than pointless.[...]

There is more than just 'one' white race. We may all look the same but we are not. All races have been someone's bitch at some point going back thousands of years. If you're stuck in the last 400 maybe it is you that should learn more of history? What is wrong with the venue exactly?


[...]1) what we now consider to be the white race is the remnant of an alien invasion [...] the white race is the one which is most closely aligned with [...] with Reptilians/Anunnaki [...] through colonization/imperialism/globalism [...]

Invasion. Reptilian. Globalism. Like I said, white devil propganda.

You may want to look at South America and the Olmec sites that show "White" and "Black" man living equally many thousands of years before you claim they invaded. Which is in this thread you just read all of. You may also want to look in to the fact that there is no more one white race than there is one black race. Which is also mentioned in this thread you just read all of. There are many tribes and one from around Turkey is the one causing all the trouble. It has made sure that the other white tribes have lost touch with their histories and identity and act as a scape goat. Which, guess what! Yup.


[...]derisive remark toward so-called "Black nationalists" - which is a misnomer at best [...]

Really? Want me to start posting the videos of them calling for the extermination of white people? I have a problem with all racists of all colours and I don't recall you ever commenting on me when I've said something about the EDL being inbred ****wits or the Zionists being a bunch of cowardly sneaky ****s. Why is that? We're all equal right?


[...]a long history of scholarship [...] an admittedly subjective [...] generalization[...]

Cognitive Dissonance.

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I'm not really in the mood today Why not Anno?

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We can pretend you said it if you want. I'm not really in the mood today. To be honest, it's the kind of thing I'd ignore anyway. I think we all know in the real world, race is a very very real issue to most people and many are killed and abused every day because of it. On the internet it's ok to be all love and light but the next time someone is trying to mug or kill you for your race, try it out on them and see what happens.

Why is race so important? In my experience race is just an interesting little fact like all the other factors of the whole person which don't form part of the human quidity. It's true, though, that two people can be neighbours yet live in completely different worlds. If it's important to you I wouldn't want to say it shouldn't be, but I can't see why it would be. To me, though, people commit a category error when they consider such factors more important than the essential humanity; just because 'Black', 'White', 'Arabic', 'Jewish', 'Aboriginal' precede 'person', it doesn't mean they're the more important part. Black people, White people, Arabic people, Jewish people, Aboriginal people are people first and foremost.

Once you've decided that the value of a person is in their humanity as a living, breathing, thinking and feeling thing, and not as some privilege of race, religion or other triviality, things become so much more simple. And when it comes to origins — I really couldn't give a flying stuff if somebody comes from neanderthal stock or whether they blinked into existence on the spot; if they can be happy and sad and laugh and love and celebrate and grieve and all the things that matter they are the same in all the ways that matter.

[Gone002]

The term WHITE MAN, is contested by a high number or white people, granted most of them are not aware that there is only one race HUMAN. I have heared people say, that if your Spanish, Italian, (the olive skin ones )Irish, French, Greek etc you are not white. Can anyone shed light on this or is just the ill informed talking more poo.

[Mark]

In one breath we're all equal and in the next, one has 'harder' problems and lessons the other can not comprehend.

Indeed. Souls are equal but bodies and physical experiences are not, outside of the context of lessons learned designed exactly for our individual evo- or devo-lution. Some people have different capacities than others, based upon their karmic burden per lifetime, different kinds of people have different capabilities. That is just life as lived. And I am speaking there, particularly, of the experience that people of a melanated persuasion have in a world, in a cultural system where racism is institutionalized. Because you perhaps do not experience it yourself, you do not know what it is like to walk around on a daily basis having to deal with people's near-unconscious behaviors, what it is like going into stores, walking through parks or down the streets, the small, subtle effects that institutionalized and personal racism have on those who have to live under its weight. If you do experience such a life, then by all means, share your experience and understanding as well as your compassion. As you attempt to find petty reasons to dispute based upon your original comment decrying those you consider offensive to you please consider the reality that the vast majority of this thread would be offensive to anybody not of a Eurocentric background. I am speaking on this topic reasonably and from a measured viewpoint. And I did not say harder. Everyone has their karmic tests to afford them the opportunity for growth ... being among those oppressed results in very particular types of lessons, as being among the oppressors does as well.



There is more than just 'one' white race. We may all look the same but we are not. All races have been someone's bitch at some point going back thousands of years. If you're stuck in the last 400 maybe it is you that should learn more of history? What is wrong with the venue exactly?

That is very true. I am speaking of modern history just for the sake of this thread. I thought that I could speak equally well about ancient history, but I must say that I am clueless as to the existence of multiple white races. Could you inform me of where I can learn about all of these different white races? I know that "whiteness" was constructed as a racial identity at the end of the 16th century in the United States in order to agglomerate the lower classes of immigrant Europeans, many of whom were indentured servants, in order to prevent them from united with the blacks, with whom they had more in common class-wise, against the upper and ruling class Oligarchy, but it seems that you are speaking of something different.


Invasion. Reptilian. Globalism. Like I said, white devil propganda.

You may want to look at South America and the Olmec sites that show "White" and "Black" man living equally many thousands of years before you claim they invaded. Which is in this thread you just read all of. You may also want to look in to the fact that there is no more one white race than there is one black race. Which is also mentioned in this thread you just read all of. There are many tribes and one from around Turkey is the one causing all the trouble. It has made sure that the other white tribes have lost touch with their histories and identity and act as a scape goat. Which, guess what! Yup.

Ah, I see. You are referring to ethnicities, hence the difficulty with terminology here. Of course there is only one race, the human race, and many different ethnicities within the one overall racial group. I use race as I have seen it used throughout this thread in order not to have any difficulties in translation, but I see that did not work with you, as you seem to have misunderstood. I am quite well familiar with the Olmecs. That society was genetically predominantly Africoid, actually, there was a small representation of what could be considered to be Semetic people, but yes, it was a "diverse" civilization. Why do I need to look at that civilization, please? In order to bolster your point about "black nationalists" proselytizing nonsense? All of the terms you just quoted, "Invasion", "Reptilian" and "Globalism" have been used throughout this thread. So why do you not consider this thread to be white devil propaganda as well?



Really? Want me to start posting the videos of them calling for the extermination of white people? I have a problem with all racists of all colours and I don't recall you ever commenting on me when I've said something about the EDL being inbred ****wits or the Zionists being a bunch of cowardly sneaky ****s. Why is that? We're all equal right?

LOL I might as well start posting all of the Nazi/White Supremacist/White Nationalist videos there are on the Net as well and, as you should know, there are many, many more of those than there are Black Nationalist videos on the Net. As I stated earlier, there is no use in all of that, as that is beyond the scope of this thread and, you are the one who brought up the Black Nationalists in the first place, as you seem to be conveniently forgetting. Regarding the EDL and Zionists, I'm sorry, I do not recall those posts, if they were in this thread I passed over them, although I thought I'd read the entire thread through. I highlighted your post because you mentioned "black nationalists", as if they all were about the same thing or believed in one, overarching ideology, which is not the case. I was speaking only to that particular quote, I was not making some sort of statement about you personally, as I do not know you. I also do not subscribe to any system that preaches prejudice, hatred or inequality, but at the same time, I recognize the truth laid bare in even the manipulated historical record regarding the Trans-Atlantic slave trade and the genocide of native peoples here in the Americas, as well as the depredations of racial slavery.


Cognitive Dissonance.

On your part? I expect so, as you ignored the gist of my post except for a few points which you were incorrect about anyway. You did make an excellent point though regarding the fact that it was generally only a small segment of the European population who was in charge of the more extreme aspects of the Global White Supremacy System, but at the same time, it is a large majority of the Eurocentric population who now lives within the system, enjoying the benefits of the system, but refusing to take any responsibility for doing so, even as that system now crashes and burns around them. But it's all good. It's all in the spirit of sharing limited belief in order to come to a greater knowledge. :peace:



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Here is some related music, everybody hold hands:

SURE. :dance3:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97nAvTVeR6o

[Calz]

Wow ... I guess the music threads are becoming infectious :music:

We are One. That's the lesson. Time is runnin' a bit short to learn it.

We are One with Gaia and *all* of life. Spirit flows throughout *all*.

We are connected to the Universe and need to come back into harmony.

We have all been many races and both genders before ... remember???

Sure ... it is Friday. Let us celebrate *Life* :nod:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxq0dYXZ4og
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxq0dYXZ4og

[davyj0nes]

now i remember what i wanted to share. shaktipatseer2 made a small documentary about the hollow earth, the aryans, hitler, ect. I thought it was pertinent to the thread at the time, but i couldn't post it. so better late than never here is part 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo8Y8XRkKBw&feature=channel_video_title

[Lord Sidious]

The term WHITE MAN, is contested by a high number or white people, granted most of them are not aware that there is only one race HUMAN. I have heared people say, that if your Spanish, Italian, (the olive skin ones )Irish, French, Greek etc you are not white. Can anyone shed light on this or is just the ill informed talking more poo.

Amongst the people I used to hang around with, this was a topic of much debate and conflict.
Some said only Nordics are white, others said northern Euros and not southern.
I can see the aryan progenitor in many groups, from Euros to some Arabs and others too.
Not that it matters that much, but there is a connection.

[princesslovercup]

Many well written and thoughtful posts in here. It's important to think about where we came from. In this we might find equality? Just a thought.

[Davidallany]

For the longest, Neanderthals were depicted as being brutish and dark-skinned, their culture seen as simple and regressive, with nothing beyond an ability to create a simple kind of tool.
My friend, this is exactly what i were taught throughout school years in Baghdad, so much for scientific evidence. I have said it before in another post, when it comes to His-story, anything can be fabricated with the right amount of undertaking.

[Mark]

My friend, this is exactly what i were taught throughout school years in Baghdad, so much for scientific evidence. I have said it before in another post, when it comes to His-story, anything can be fabricated with the right amount of undertaking.

I taught physical and human geography classes in universities for over a decade, as a graduate student and associate professor. Much of what I taught my students over those years, I now know to be incomplete at best, outright lies at worst. These days my motto is, I know nothing really, but I have a few ideas.
:horn:

As they used to say in that television show, the X-Files, "The Truth is out there" ... but what they don't say in real life is that pretty much everything you've been taught about the world is a lie. Been reading a lot about the Archons the past day or so, and trying to figure out how to combine all of these ideas about extra-terrestrial origins and the human presence on this planet, reconciling the archeological record, the genetic record and cosmology. The status of Earth as a Prison Planet seems to necessitate this level of deception and polly-annish ignorance amongst the general population, since the spiritual purpose seems to be a condensed and intense method of learning ethical lessons. If that's truly the case, I'm ready to graduate. :ballchain:

[jcocks]

The status of Earth as a Prison Planet seems to necessitate this level of deception and polly-annish ignorance amongst the general population, since the spiritual purpose seems to be a condensed and intense method of learning ethical lessons. If that's truly the case, I'm ready to graduate. :ballchain:

The whole idea of Earth being a supposed "prison planet in quarantine" is new-age bull**** with the sole purpose of keeping us sheeple who have new-age beliefs in a downtrodden state with no hope of getting out if it. The reality is that if we are a prison planet in supposed quarantine, then they'd better sack the prison guards, because they've done a ****ing **** job, to put it lightly.

The amount of new-age information out there that seems to only serve the purpose of keeping us downtrodden and making sure we know our place ("Down there with the rest of the trash") is astounding. It goes to show that there are plenty of supposed "new-age" people out there who need waking up as well...

I'm personally sick of it, I don't want to read about how we're confined to this planet, that we've all been naughty and this is our punishment. I'm only interested in the heights we can climb, and help in climbing those heights.

[Anno]

Why is race so important?[...]

Because we're not supposed to talk about it. Simple as that. Look at all the subjects that the PC people go after and then see which ones are connected to hidden history and the true origins of mankind. Women are subjugated to make the idea of Matriarchal societies look stupid. Gays are demonised to make the idea of Shaman and Warrior castes being traditionaly Gay/Bi look stupid.

Every time 'whitey' starts talking about his own lost history and tribes you get nervous people assuming it's going to become 'Racist' and 'Nazi' and they pop up talking about nonesense. Plus you get the races that traditionaly capitalise on race discussions (consider positive discrimination) and bang on about something that happened to their ancestors that they've never even met and use it as a justification to get hand outs and sympathy.

The whole subject is full of idiotic half ideas and paradoxes. Consider Aboriginals. Why is it being said that they came first? Because they're the blackest? Why do people assume 'White' man must be the Alien? Because they think 'Black' is more 'Earth'. What that is really saying is Black people are from Apes and White people are from some far off planet. Isn't that a bit racist? Why can't White man be the caveman and Black man be the advanced space alien? Or why can't all of the races have come from out of space which is what most of them claim when you read their stories.

As far as I'm concerned, each variety of form you find whether it's a human race or a species of bird, exists for a reason. To ignore that reason is to ignore reality. Race, like everything else, is a field of data that can answer questions about our collective past and should be discussed freely without people disrupting the conversation because they think 'one has to be better than the other'.

Form is the manifestation of Spirit. If Spirit was all one we'd all manifest the same, no? People can not claim to think they are all 'spirit' then continue to identify with their 'race' and start whining. It's just half awake people mumbling in their sleep.


The term WHITE MAN, is contested by a high number or white people, granted most of them are not aware that there is only one race HUMAN. I have heared people say, that if your Spanish, Italian, (the olive skin ones )Irish, French, Greek etc you are not white. Can anyone shed light on this or is just the ill informed talking more poo.

I've not heard of it as 'you are not white' because that's just daft. I know the Nazis hated the Slavs and the Irish but I don't understand their logic. Within the 'White Races' there are different tribes but they all seem to have lived together at some point then migrated. Middle East > North Africa (including Canaries) > Portugal/Spain > Britain (including Iceland) > Scandinavia. With lots stopping off along the way and getting different degrees of tan.

That said, I don't buy the whole, Hebrews and Arabs are white/caucasian. In my opinion, Arabs/Hebrews are the odd ones out that came out of nowhere and then hid in the white and persian groups. Call a Persian an Arab and you'll see how pissed off they get about it.

If you're looking for an invader who came to Earth to cause trouble, look to the Hebrews/Arabs. They're the 'odd one out'.

[Lord Sidious]

I know the Nazis hated the Slavs and the Irish but I don't understand their logic.

Erm, no, you don't know.
Did you know there were hundreds of thousands of ''slavs'' in the service of the Reich in the war?
And the comment about them hating the Irish? I won't even rebutt something so rediculous.
This is easily found to be false with a very quick read over google found links.

[Mark]

The whole idea of Earth being a supposed "prison planet in quarantine" is new-age bull**** with the sole purpose of keeping us sheeple who have new-age beliefs in a downtrodden state with no hope of getting out if it. The reality is that if we are a prison planet in supposed quarantine, then they'd better sack the prison guards, because they've done a ****ing **** job, to put it lightly.

The amount of new-age information out there that seems to only serve the purpose of keeping us downtrodden and making sure we know our place ("Down there with the rest of the trash") is astounding. It goes to show that there are plenty of supposed "new-age" people out there who need waking up as well...

I'm personally sick of it, I don't want to read about how we're confined to this planet, that we've all been naughty and this is our punishment. I'm only interested in the heights we can climb, and help in climbing those heights.

I'm speaking of more than the physical sense, I'm also speaking of the spiritual sense. I am one of those who believes that we are controlled in the astral as well, that we are tricked into returning and playing the game of karma in order to continue to feed those who do the controlling. That the religions, the spiritual paths, including the New Age, are generally traps. BUT, I also believe that the Truth MUST be given, and IS out there, hidden like jewels among the mud, that that is a condition of our reality, that we must be given a chance to discern it, if we are able. Archons, Foreign Installations, Greys, Reptilians, whoever or whatever you want to call them may be doing whatever they can to keep us spiritually bound, but for those who seek Truth, it cannot be hidden. I'm sick of it too, I know what you mean, but I do want to read about it because knowledge is the key. In order to know something isn't true you have to know about it and if you don't read about it you are choosing ignorance over knowledge and that is not my path. Because you are here at Avalon, I am guessing that it is not your path either.

As far as the material idea of us being quarantined or something, I don't know about that. I do have the belief that there is a "breakaway society" who has technology beyond what the masses have access to, but I don't know anything about a sign on the back of the moon saying KEEP AWAY. Most of the information I hear about that is from channeled sources and the only channeled source that has a good track record as far as I'm concerned is the Cassiopeans, and I haven't read anything particular to that topic that they've written. If we're quarantined in a physical sense, then it must be a one way quarantine. I'm of the belief that if we can get out there then we're welcome to, since getting out there in a way that matters means having access to advanced technology that pre-supposes certain things. But again, I don't know ...

That is why knowing about such things as these is important, finding out as much information as possible, seeing which parts of the information are given elsewhere, finding the correlations, making the synthesis and determining truth from falsehood using your own internal barometer of such, your connection to Sophia, Truth, the Divine, the Cosmos, or whatever you want to call it.

That's also why threads such as this are important, because it actually bears upon your statement about the Earth being a prison planet being hunde shiza. A lot of people in the mainstream believe that about everything that we're talking about here, having no knowledge of it, having never heard it or having made the decision that it is such without exploring it at any level. Such is life ... and such is being an inmate in a Prison Planet for your soul, your heart and your mind.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Why is race so important?[...]

Because we're not supposed to talk about it. Simple as that. Look at all the subjects that the PC people go after and then see which ones are connected to hidden history and the true origins of mankind. Women are subjugated to make the idea of Matriarchal societies look stupid. Gays are demonised to make the idea of Shaman and Warrior castes being traditionaly Gay/Bi look stupid.

Race is important in the sense that it shows our provenance and heritage, and white people as any should be free to discuss such things.

[Anno]

[...]Race is important in the sense that it shows our provenance and heritage, and white people as any should be free to discuss such things.

Exactly. And as we're about to see, whilst we're all being prevented from doing it because of the 'racism programming' TPTB have been putting a lot of effort in.


[...]Did you know there were hundreds of thousands of ''slavs'' in the service of the Reich in the war?[...]

Since the long long ago the first thing any military force does when taking prisoners is to seperate any potential combatants and either kill, maim or convert them. We've all seen the movies where the Nazis take people off the train and make them line up. Women, kids, pensioners and the sick/disabled get to go one way and work to death wearing a concentration camp uniform. The combatants get to go work to death wearing a military uniform on the Eastern Front. What's the difference?

As I'm sure you know, before WW2 most things now considered 'nazi' were popular theories in Europe. Mainly because in the past when Germany was a group of rival Teutonic kingdoms, one king thought; "Hang on, why should I have all these wars to conquer territory when I can just have loads of kids and marry them in to the other Royal houses? Within a generation or two his Family will be ruling all of Europe. Which they did and still do today, including America, Canada and Australia. Which is why Bush is related to The Queen. Eugenics and 'inferior races' were common knowledge and very popular.

In 'Himmler's Crusade' by Christopher Hale you can read about how the SS weren't a bunch of racist idiots in beer halls. That was the SA. They were the top academics from every field that Germany had. They pretty much invented Anthropology by sending teams all over the world with calipers and plaster to measure all the different races and work out the origin of the races. Whilst some did that others talked to the elders or religious leaders and recorded any myth, cosmology and genealogy. Added to all the Occult knowledge they were also collecting and all the work from Scientists who would later form NASA, DARPA and the NSA.

Their main source texts were the Vedas and they were looking for the Aryans who they saw as 'Nordic' Europeans. These Aryans started in Tibet and travelled in a circuit through India, Persia, The Med, North Africa and around through the UK before ending up where they are today. Founding all the big civilisations along the way including Egypt, which explains all the links with Scotland.

You could have skin as fair as Snow White but if you didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes you weren't pure. You came from some kind of interbreeding with one of the other races along that ancient journey. As they were mainly using the Vedas they saw this as breaking the interbreeding laws of the caste system and as such all other white races are inferior. Not as inferior as the Black or Asian or whatever other race, but inferior none the less.

They further claim (and I don't know if this is true) that the word Nordic was invented by them and comes from the Sanskrit word for Aristocrat or Noble. Ever noticed how the people that channel them (or their cousins the pleadians) tend to be blonde with blue eyes?

Or if you fancy a Google, go look at the street maps of New York and see what races we shipped out into the now famous poor areas we're used to seeing in Movies and Musicals. The Italians, Russians, Irish and Spanish are in there next door to the Jews and Blacks. On the other side of the Journey you have purpose built slave port of Liverpool. The ones that never left and settled there instead are called 'Scousers' and are only one step above 'pikeys' in British Folklore. On that, Why does the River Mersey run through Liverpool? Because if it didn't it'd get mugged.

To show how matter of fact all this knowledge was taken, especially by the SS, here's a quote from the 'Himmler's Crusade' book that is an SS person you may recognise, talking about how new applicants had to attach a photo to their application so that their faces could be measured to work out what races their ancestors may have been 'impure' with...


[...]A typical Slav-face would scarcely be taken into the SS by an SS-Fuhrer,' Himmler wrote.[...]

Speaking of Himmler and bringing it back to Avalon. He was a massive fan of the Arthur Legends.

For evidence in a familiar Whistle Blower you can look at Joseph Farrell. Most of his evidence comes from Russia via Former East Germany after the wall came down. Why? Because the Nazis only used their deadliest secret weapons on the Eastern Front. Never on the Western Front or the UK. If they were just a mad killing machine why didn't they use them on both or even (as he asks) not put fuel air bombs on rockets and obliterate London? Why (he asks again) did they send a plane to within a few miles of New York to take photos and not bomb it?

I would suggest that they never wanted to kill us because we were closer to the pure bloodstreams and valuable gentically as well as the financial links we all know of. The Eastern Front countries were inferior, the west was just 'poluted'. Instead they separated out all the undesirables and took them away and killed them in Poland and along the Eastern Front. Or shipped them off to the US and Australia as they'd been doing for quite a while as I already mentioned.

So you see, not so rediculous after all.

If anyone wants more quotes from the book let me know. =]

[nomadguy]

this is some interesting material, and this has lots of background on the ET history of earth as described to Mr. Winter by Alex Collier himself.
~I recommend watching 1-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WH3mvSstrQ&feature=autoplay&list=WL646D1AFD61AA4D61&lf=bf_play&playnext=1

[WhiteFeather]

It was colonized by the colonizers, not from this earth by far.


http://files.meetup.com/1545595/Zecharia%20Sitchin%20-%20The%20Lost%20Book%20of%20Enki.pdf

[mab777]

thanks WF .... this book is very interesting.

[OnyxKnight]

Erm, no, you don't know.

Sid, when you are right, you are right. But this is not one of those times.

If he wasn't stopped, next stop was the "cleansing" of the Slavic population, as seen on documents taken from his HQ as he was fleeing. Some surviving documents were shown in a few documentary movies. Just because some Slavs were involved with the nazi side (such as some Serbs/Croats, and Bulgarians) doesn't mean a thing. They may not have been aware of his plans.

[Lord Sidious]

Erm, no, you don't know.

Sid, when you are right, you are right. But this is not one of those times.

If he wasn't stopped, next stop was the "cleansing" of the Slavic population, as seen on documents taken from his HQ as he was fleeing. Some surviving documents were shown in a few documentary movies. Just because some Slavs were involved with the nazi side (such as some Serbs/Croats, and Bulgarians) doesn't mean a thing. They may not have been aware of his plans.

I find that a lot of the documents from that period are suspect.
Besides the fact there is a lot of propaganda around, there is also a lot of mud kicked up in the water too.
I have seen nothing that would convince me that there was a plan to exterminate ''slavs'' anywhere.
You do know that the term slav is not one that is attached to race or the like, don't you?

[OnyxKnight]

I've not heard of it as 'you are not white' because that's just daft. I know the Nazis hated the Slavs and the Irish but I don't understand their logic.

You are going about it the wrong angle.

Every single tribe on Earth has been influenced culturally, philosophically and/or genetically by one or more extraterrestrial groups.

Take a look at who had the role of an extraterrestrial influence to the tribes/nations that were subject to nazi prosecution or were planned to be.

Slavs are "white", or Caucasian, yes. Whatever one defines under that term. But their extraterrestrial influencers were not.

I believe the prosecuted groups were target because of their influential background.

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[OnyxKnight]

I find that a lot of the documents from that period are suspect.
Besides the fact there is a lot of propaganda around, there is also a lot of mud kicked up in the water too.
I have seen nothing that would convince me that there was a plan to exterminate ''slavs'' anywhere.
You do know that the term slav is not one that is attached to race or the like, don't you?

Well, I trust my grandfather, and what he said (if anything). He was involved in WW2 and he was exposed to enough solid information to know what he was talking about. He told me when I was younger that if Hitler wasn't sopped right there and then, that he would have continued his agenda towards southeast Europe targeting the Slavic countries. He specifically used the words 'ethnic cleansing'.

I know the term is not attached to race, but neither is "jewish", although some might claim otherwise.

[Lord Sidious]

I find that a lot of the documents from that period are suspect.
Besides the fact there is a lot of propaganda around, there is also a lot of mud kicked up in the water too.
I have seen nothing that would convince me that there was a plan to exterminate ''slavs'' anywhere.
You do know that the term slav is not one that is attached to race or the like, don't you?

Well, I trust my grandfather, and what he said (if anything). He was involved in WW2 and he was exposed to enough solid information to know what he was talking about. He told me when I was younger that if Hitler wasn't sopped right there and then, that he would have continued his agenda towards southeast Europe targeting the Slavic countries. He specifically used the words 'ethnic cleansing'.

I know the term is not attached to race, but neither is "jewish", although some might claim otherwise.

Some of those nations were allied to Germany, others weren't.
What gave him the idea that some were for the chop but others weren't?

[OnyxKnight]

Some of those nations were allied to Germany, others weren't.
What gave him the idea that some were for the chop but others weren't?

He said all were on the chopping board. The aligned ones were probably gonna have one very nasty surprise coming their way.

He had no reason to lie to me, nor there was any need for him to be lied to, as he was not a spy or working for an intelligence agency, but a pilot. He did have connections to some intelligence factors, but i still see no reason for him to be lied to, as the agency, according to him, had people from various countries in Europe working together and they all had the same information, from different sources.

The info on his connections was told to me later on, during an unrelated topic, but all the information pertaining to WW2 was gained this way, he told me.

I don't see why its logical for certain populations to be targeted by the nazis, and others are not.

[Lord Sidious]

Some of those nations were allied to Germany, others weren't.
What gave him the idea that some were for the chop but others weren't?

He said all were on the chopping board. The aligned ones were probably gonna have one very nasty surprise coming their way.

He had no reason to lie to me, nor there was any need for him to be lied to, as he was not a spy or working for an intelligence agency, but a pilot. He did have connections to some intelligence factors, but i still see no reason for him to be lied to, as the agency, according to him, had people from various countries in Europe working together and they all had the same information, from different sources.

The info on his connections was told to me later on, during an unrelated topic, but all the information pertaining to WW2 was gained this way, he told me.

I don't see why its logical for certain populations to be targeted by the nazis, and others are not.

That is what I am trying to figure out.

[Calz]

Excellent short summary of the history of mankind. Goes into Enki/Enlil and much more. Ties it in with where we are today and how we got to where we are. Well worth 30 minutes even for those familiar with the topics.

IMHO


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[Andrew]

Joseph P Farrell, The Clash of Civilizations, The Byte Show


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x5mRayS_-k

Joseph speaks about his upcoming book Covert Wars and The Clash of Civilizations with GeorgeAnn Hughes (2 hours).

Commenting and building upon his arc of books, from the Giza Death Star, to the Philosopher's Stone, The Cosmic War and many other works, Dr. Farrell is finally ready to lay down his cards and connect all the dots in the right order.

He speaks about Richard Dolan's work, UFOs and the National Security State, the Breakway Civilization and its culture, the official evidence for exo-culture, the nature of attacks on our world, the anxiety of the elites, the Tower of Babel moment, Gold, and how the UFO, real or not, is central to understanding modern history. This is a ground-breaking talk and one not to be missed!

[Calz]

Welcome back Andrew.

Probably my favorite thread *ever* on Avalon.

Yes Joseph Farrell is one of the really clear lights that is available to us.

Thanks for your post.


Brings back so very fond memories of Lord Sid ...


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[Bill Ryan]

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I'd not actually seen this thread before. Great thread title, and my answer is yes.

By that, I'm meaning that western civilization has now reached into every corner of the globe. Economic and cultural colonial take-over. Nike trainers, designer sunglasses, McDonald's, Coca-Cola, baseball, Hollywood movies. In Lima, Accra, Yakutsk, and Ulan Bator.

I live in Ecuador, and I see people all around aspiring to be like Americans. They buy the junk in 'western-style' supermarkets, thinking that that's the way to live and be -- while, all the time, beautiful, cheap organic produce is right there in all the local markets.

In those markets, I see local people with very limited resources shopping carefully for wonderful, healthy fresh food. Meanwhile, the middle class Ecuadorians, iPhones in their pockets, fill up their new SUVs with expensive chips, sugary drinks, and TV meals, because that's how to be 'modern' and tuned-in.

They've bought the deliberately-peddled fantasy, all captured by the allure of the hypnotizing matrix. It's the adult equivalent of having to dress just like the hippest kids on the block. We humans fall for it every time, and to take advantage of that huge ego-weakness is the manipulative purpose of most of the the commercial world.

[Calz]

Amazing thread Bill.

Hard to imagine you not seeing it before (but there was that "other guy" taking up so much attention at the time :) )

You should take some time ... skim through it and consider putting it in your "priority forum".

Perhaps it will shed some light on why there was so much love for Rob?

IMHO as always

:yo:


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Hmmm

guess not ... and that's too bad ...

this was a golden opportunity to bring understanding to the forum at large.


*** adding again in sorrow of a wasted opportunity ***


a glimmer of light has come and gone ...

another chance at understanding and reconciliation gone by ...


:tsk:

[ghostrider]

a college proffesor, african american, female, full of class , interesting to talk to , made a statement that stopped me in my tracks... did you know that three quarters of earth has dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes ??? I thought , hmmmm until the Lyrians came and mixed with earth humas, now some with dark skin , have blue eyes ...genetic tampering begins ... Lyrians came here after their world was destroyed by War and weather modification, they tampered with their sun ... the ring nebula , the eye of god seen by hubble ... we are on track to repeat their mistakes ... geo engineering and weather modification ... ET has watched six extinctions , and they are concerned we may have another ... the Lyran genetics always survive ... hmmmmm

[ghostrider]

the three original earth tribes, Hebrons, people of India , and Native Americans ... dark hair , dark skin, dark eyes ... everthing else was brought here from different star systems ... the main genetics all trace back to Lyra and Vega ... Orion and Nissan were brought in the not too distant past , the asian genetic is the new kid on the block ... I take this from the contact notes from Billy Meier ...

[DNA]

Calz mentioned this thread to me in answer to my questions on Aldebaran. So I bump as I prepare to dig in.

[DNA]

This was on another thread here, still got it downloading to listen to.
Stan Deyo is an interesting guy.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRrB693TUA

http://standeyo.com/bio.Stan.html
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Conspiracy-Millennium-Stan-Deyo/dp/0908477058
http://www.amazon.com/Vindicator-Scrolls-Vol-1/dp/0908477031

He was a naughty boy once and offered his opinion when he shouldn't have.
So, they exiled him to Australia, Perth to be exact. I looked him up in the phone book and there he was, living in Kalamunda.
He got his passport back and is back in America.
From the other thread I got this from it is said he is speaking of an event the us govt is preparing for.
The return of the sumerian gods.
And guess who that is?
The aryans, just like your Uncle Sidious has been telling you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYX-qI9oxw[/url]

If you have never watched the single season homerun that was the TV show called the event it's binge watching at its best and dove tails well with what Lord Sidious talks about.

[DNA]

It was the two Maria and Sigrun from the Vril, not the Thule.
And seeing as they have indeed disappeared without trace, I would think that in itself is a good clue.


did vril society depart for aldebaran in 1945

Did Maria Orsic hop in a Vril-7 spacecraft and make the jump in a worm hole to Aldebaran? A March 11, 1945 letter to the Vril Society written by Orsic, ended with "niemand bleibt hier" (no one is staying here). Orsic and the Vril Society vanished off the face of the earth shortly after. What does it imply? Did their fate take them elsewhere? In 1919, Orsic claimed to receive telepathic tranmissions, which originated from Aldebaran in the constellation Taurus. The transmissions resulted in two piles of papers, one in a secret German Templar script and a second unknown language, which turned out to be Sumerian. The papers were detailed plans for a flying machine. By 1922, the flying machine project, funded by the Thule and Vril Societies, began assembling parts manufactured for them by independent industry sources.

By early 1944, Orsic and Sigrun, the Vril mediums received information on inhabitable planets around Aldebaran and discussions ensued about a possible trip. These discussions included the highest levels of the Third Reich. The decision was made for a test flight of a Vril 7 through a "dimension channel", which rumor has as barely averting disaster. Did Maria Orsic and the Vril Society make it or crash and burn? Is it myth or is there something more? A nice ten minute video primer of the occult background and progression of the Vril flying machine is linked here.

http://cyber-space-war.blogspot.com/2010/12/did-vril-society-depart-for-aldebaran.html


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The Vril Discs

Series 1-11
(1941-1945)

The Vril motto “Not all good comes from above” summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.

The name Vril is the shortening of “VRI-IL” which means “Like God”. Officially Vril was “The All German Society for Metaphysics” which merged with the Thule Gesellschaft and the obscure DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) in the year 1919.

The DHvSS (1912) worshipped the German mountain goddess Isias and the Schwarz Stein (black stone). The Thule Gesellschaft (1917) believed in the hollow earth theory and derived its name from Ultima Thule the ancient capital of Hyperborea at the top of the world. Vril worshipped the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which supposedly gave or generated incredible power and communicated with Aryan aliens living in the Aldebaran system through psychic channeling.

Confused by the strange language and mental images she was receiving through psychic channeling, Maria Orsic of Thule joined with the Vril Gesellschaft which brought in another psychic medium named Sigrun to help translate the alien language (which turned out to be ancient Sumerian) and decipher the strange mental images of a circular flight machine for making contact.

Sigrun was not the Vril medium’s true name but is derived from Sigrune - one of the nine daughters of Odin and a Valkyrie.

So this is where the Vril disc story begins ...



http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm


(note - this one has plenty of photos if you follow the link)

This is pure gold. Right to the heart of the story. Thank you

[DNA]

Interesting topic,
I've felt for a while humans are not native to earth, each ruined or had thier planets ruined and were mercy moved here, ( god gave us these lands is a statment in alot of religons) I also think some of the things discovered on mars could be evidence of various races being moved here from mars after it was ruined it as well .. Mars vibrates "war disaster" to me, its why its being refered to as the god of war etc IMHO..

If you are a believer of Sitchin. Then i recommend you read the lost book of Enki. it is available online for free. you'll learn about the Annunaki gods who came here from elsewhere. You will also learn about the 300 beings that was stationed on mars and the 200 that came here for the wedding of Enki's son Marduk. Marduk gave up his royal title in order for him to be allowed to stay on earth with his earthling wife.These off key evil bad mind rebellious beings from mars are the same beings that took women for wives and created giants of olden days.
He also tells a story about mutation. how the white man came about. It is a fantastic read. I have read it over 20 times. best of all his books.

People often say Sitchin was disinformation. I have never thought that a possibility until now. Maybe Sitchin was muddying the waters to prevent what this thread discusses from being taken seriously.

[MorningFox]

I would like to read more questions or answers about this theory that the western people are NOT Native to planet Earth and that everything in the past 6000 years or more relating to Western civilization has been about preparing and colonizing planet Earth, this could explain why the TPTB keeping the knowledge away until there ready and whatever they've been doing.


... grammar.

They're = They are

;)

That aside, it would certainly seem that you are correct in your hypothesis. White man (of which I am one of, I may add) is evidently responsible for most of the awful and degenerative things that have happened and are happening on planet earth. Ironically there are so many of us now that we can and will be a significant help in bringing an end to what our ancestors and ruling class are attempting to do.

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[ Mod-edit: I trimmed this post down, and removed a few off topic replies concerned with grammar, with whether such concerns were off topic, with whether off topic concerns were further off topic... -- Paul. ]

[Flash]

... did white colonised the planet (therefore are outisders originally), I would think that wherever humans are from, we are all quite well ingrained in this planet, with our bodies made up of its components, and therefore adapted to be able to grow here. THerefore, we are now from here, independently of where we came from originally.

I would not say the same for all viruses and microbes we have around, in the way the play havoc with our carbon base system. And i would not say the same either for the ways of thinking that are implemented on this planet, destructive to its life supporting énergies.

[DNA]

Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?


They were looking for the Ark?



Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?

were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???

Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.

Shut the ef up. No fraking way. Holy crap. I have never heard anything like this before.

This is good stuff, I'm on page 12 of this thread and I gotta tell you folks, it's really good, and worth your time.
I can't believe I skipped this thread back in the day due to my society planted issues on race and my resultant discomfort with all things nazi for fear of association.

[ThePythonicCow]

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As noted in Post #640 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man-colonised-planet-Earth&p=936427&viewfull=1#post936427), I deleted a few posts.

[Calz]

Thank you Paul .... I wasn't going to go there ... but this thread deserves respect.

[DNA]

Thank you Paul .... I wasn't going to go there ... but this thread deserves respect.

You seemed to have no problem while your lord was back handing the hell out of OnyxKnight through out the meat of this thread.

I have no problem with Paul's handling and erasing of these last few posts. I felt a possible escalation coming on. And it was really all to do about nothing.
But, that being said, this thread isn't exactly a holy stop on a pilgrimage road. Just saying, let's keep things in perspective is all.

[DNA]

So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?

And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)

The war has never stopped. As Lord Sid pointed out, it was the Wehrmacht that capitulated unconditionally. The country NEVER capitulated. To this day, there is no peace treaty between the Allies and Germany. Germany does not have a constitution. If you wish to become a lawyer in Germany, you have to have the consent of the Allies. If they don't give it, tough; you can't practice then. This war has been going on and on and on. The only difference between pre-1945 and post-1945 is that the war continued behind the scenes, invisible to the public.

When Byrd went on his Antarctic "expedition," it was barely veiled as such; it was meant to be an invasion, but he was defeated within days. When in 1958, the US nuked Antarctica three times in the course of a month (August/September), it was another act of war against the Germans.

I've never heard this mention of Admiral Byrd's Antarctic expedition being a veiled attack against a defending Nazi regime. Nor had I heard anything about nukes being used. Would you know how I could find more data in this regard? Thank you

I will state that in a recent interview Kerry Cassidy did with Jim Nichols it was stated that Jim Parsons rocket work resulted in being used as attachments to the wings of airplanes to help them take off from aircraft carriers commanded by admiral Byrd in Antarctica.

[Andrew]

So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?

And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)

The war has never stopped. As Lord Sid pointed out, it was the Wehrmacht that capitulated unconditionally. The country NEVER capitulated. To this day, there is no peace treaty between the Allies and Germany. Germany does not have a constitution. If you wish to become a lawyer in Germany, you have to have the consent of the Allies. If they don't give it, tough; you can't practice then. This war has been going on and on and on. The only difference between pre-1945 and post-1945 is that the war continued behind the scenes, invisible to the public.

When Byrd went on his Antarctic "expedition," it was barely veiled as such; it was meant to be an invasion, but he was defeated within days. When in 1958, the US nuked Antarctica three times in the course of a month (August/September), it was another act of war against the Germans.

I've never heard this mention of Admiral Byrd's Antarctic expedition being a veiled attack against a defending Nazi regime. Nor had I heard anything about nukes being used. Would you know how I could find more data in this regard? Thank you

I will state that in a recent interview Kerry Cassidy did with Jim Nichols it was stated that Jim Parsons rocket work resulted in being used as attachments to the wings of airplanes to help them take off from aircraft carriers commanded by admiral Byrd in Antarctica.

There is also another interview Kerry Cassidy did with Dr Richard Allan Miller and he says that the Allies Nuked a Nazi base in Antartica in 1967 (would have to confirm it was this year he said). Not sure which interview exactly, one of the later ones I think.

[Roisin]

Did the interbreeding between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens result in a species more receptive toward the principles of Nazism? Is there a genetic pre-disposition of the resulting hybrid of that combo intellectually embracing that ideology on a mass scale like what we saw happen in Nazis Germany? Is there a demographically larger concentration of hybrids of that kind with a higher percentage of Neanderthal genes in the region of the world where Germany is located resulting in an intense focus of nationalism and race than any other region of the world?
If this is true, I find this very unsettling because German-Americans are America's largest single ethnic group.

[Agape]

The whole topic has actually everything to do with climatic zones and different evolutionary periods ( of humans ) on earth rather than anything else .

Firstly , all humans are descendants of an ancient ET race ( and I gave details about it in my testimony ) and their origins can be traced to single group of ancestors who came to this planet tens of millions years ago.
That's a very long time .

Secondly , from these first settlers and proto-humans several - many human sub-groups evolved with many different characteristics . We are speaking of millions of years of human history here, not thousands .
So imagining that your todays 'white man' is some kind of 'direct ancestor' or closest model to the original is something like .. well, like your believe that you've actually evolved from more intelligent group of apes .

None of the hominids whose remains are found by todays palaeontologists 'evolved' further , except for they have accidentally or less interbred with so call 'modern man lineage' but by themselves, they were either cross-breeds of primitive man with apes or other animals ( it's not only apes ..) or degenerated human lineages .
Possessed of some higher cognitive faculties but fairly animal instincts made them weaker rather than stronger ,
they were not able to make it further and their remains are quite scarce .

If you look at the last 'visible' 'evolution epoch' to do with mankind , the pre- and post- glacial period that lasted in broad sense some 300 000 years , and in narrow sense , ten times less ..
starting from the 'global cooling' and forced migration of tribes either close to the equator or north and south poles that were at certain periods lush green ,
and then consider what kind of isolated evolution and fate they suffered ,

and what had happened after the ice age started to recede in the 'middle climatic zones' you will understand why the 'caucasian race' , relatively youngest took over the power .
The 'youngest' always do suppose their conditions are more ideal .

Older human groups who moved before, as I've said , either to the north or close to the equator had to fight for survival even if they were previously much better evolved , for some 100 000 of years , at least , and imagine what 1000 years means to you now .
Naturally , you don't meet many 'sun tanned' people living at the far north ?

And if you go live to Saharan Africa today which by the way was also much more hospitable place times upon times during its history , your skin will turn darker in mere 20 years . What to speak about skin of your tens generation grandchildren ?

Don't you have eyes people ?

You have to adapt to the climate , no matter where you live .

The so called 'caucasian race' evolved somewhere in the middle , 'fairly recently' from historical point of view , it does not mean that there were not older white races or various coloured people before, those who you won't meet anymore nowadays

but kindly look under your skin and what color your tongue has and organs and their functions etc etc and of course there are minor differences and always will be,
your children who will live in the North will be different from your children who will in the South ,
after thousands of years , they will be fairly different people .

White is nice and it's true that our ET ancestors were also 'white light' but they were not made of human flesh !!! and could show any colour they chose .
I'm sorry if you can't understand that part ,
and I am also very sorry that no one here finds any deeper interest in my origins of mankind report ,
since you are attracted to the mixed bag of mixed opinions and agendas and famous 'prophets' claiming any information 'sent to them by heaven' , changing the story for you on a go.

But what I started saying is that 'white is nice' but very vulnerable , psycho-somatically , the weakest race on earth , so also prone to many genetic and civilisation diseases , in long profile ,
its only chance for survival in long term is what you probably call 'racial mixing' , so true also for the others .

Every expression of human genome on this planet is unstable , it is forced to evolve, move on, improve , successfully or less , or die off , in long term of thousands of years again.

Climatic situation poses serious concern and threat in itself even without human action because this planet is relatively young and these periodical climatic cycles are bound to occur in future too , often accompanied by huge local shifts and calamities ,
it means that in some faraway future , hundreds or thousands of years people will be forced to massive migration from where they are now .

The planet is managing its ecosystem on very 'grass roots level' because it's ideal so far for the more primitive forms of life and to them this does not mean a lot .


You know, in past .. till now, if you go to any remote tribe or village ( group or nation ) living thousands of miles away from other humans , each of them , no matter their morphological features believed that THEY are the right people ,
the chosen ones, their ancestors, myths, legends, blood etc etc were the sacred and original item .. why ,
because of thousands of years of isolation of one group from another .

Now the population on this globe rose from millions to billions in few thousands of years,
that's a very huge leap .

It's also misguiding your idea about how your ancestors felt and looked upon the planet and the universe, how strong or weak they felt,
what they truly believed, how lonely it's been here times to times .

Guess I will stop here ..


but look under your skin before claiming some kind of nonsense .


:lol:

[TargeT]

Did the interbreeding between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens result in a species more receptive toward the principles of Nazism? Is there a genetic pre-disposition of the resulting hybrid of that combo intellectually embracing that ideology on a mass scale like what we saw happen in Nazis Germany? Is there a demographically larger concentration of hybrids of that kind with a higher percentage of Neanderthal genes in the region of the world where Germany is located resulting in an intense focus of nationalism and race than any other region of the world?
If this is true, I find this very unsettling because German-Americans are America's largest single ethnic group.

I wouldn't say "nazism" spesifically, but "collectivism" yes... for example:

In the US nearly every large city is predominantly democratic, (aka collectivist) everywhere ELSE in the US (smaller population, or less dense population areas) is conservative; this is a very strange phenomenon but apparently seems to be repeated around the world.

Collectivists give up their decision making power to the group (in their mind) which usually means in reality they give thier power up to a very small group that has leveraged control of the collective; it's just an inherently easily corrupted situation.

we are also predisposed to "novelty" (otherwise referred to as spirituality) and can easily be lead to follow a god figure (in the past more so than now).

And to top those two off we have an incredible tolerance for mild discomfort (how do you boil a frog?) and since our perception changes what we consider "mild" this can slowly be worked up to some pretty spectacular situations (Nazi Germany for example, or China, where there are 1 BILLION people under the boot of a (comparatively) small group of government officials).


to me these are three basic programing "catch all's" for population control... If we are a sub race I'm sure we were created with a few "fail safes" and I think it very likely that those three could be exactly that.

[Wind]

Do take a look at the Cayce readings (http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/cayce/10.html) (the most consistent data source there is known to man) regarding Atlantis and Lemuria, our mother cultures, that explains a lot about races and some other things. The further we go back in time, the more it becomes obscure and impalpable to our minds.


The size of Atlantis was equal to that of Europe, including Asia in Europe. He saw visions of a continent which had gone through three major periods of division; the first two about 15,600 BCE, when the mainland was divided into islands. The three main islands Cayce named Poseida, Og and Aryan.

(Q) Are the places designated for the beginning of the five races correct? (A) As we find, these are changed, in that: Those in the Gobi, the yellow. The white - rather in the Carpathians than India, though this is the change to which they are made. The red, of course, in the Atlantean and in the American. The brown in the Andean. The black in the plain and the Sudan, or in African.

(Q) Where was the Carpathian region? (A) Aarat. (Q) Where is the location? Is it on the map today? (A) Southern part of Europe and Russia, and Persia and that land. Caucasian mountains.

Q) Why was the number five selected for the projection of the five races? (A) This, as we find, is that element which represents man in his physical form, and the attributes to which he may become conscious FROM the elemental or spiritual to the physical consciousness. As the senses; as the sensing OF the various forces that bring to man the activities in the sphere in which he finds himself.

(Q) Did the appearance of what became the five races occur simultaneously? (A) Occurred at once.

(Q) Are the following the correct places? Atlantean, the red. (A) Atlantean and American, the red race.

(Q) Upper Africa for the black? (A) Or what would be known now as the more WESTERN portion of upper Egypt for the black. You see, with the changes -when there came the uprisings in the Atlantean land, and the sojourning southward - with the turning of the axis, the white and yellow races came more into that portion of Egypt, India, Persia and Arabia.

(Q) There was no original projection in upper India? (A) This was a portion rather of the white and the yellow as represented. Let these represent the attributes of the physical, or the senses and what forms they take, rather than calling them white, black, yellow, red and green, etc. What do they signify in the SENSING? Sight, vision - white. Feeling - red. Black - gratifying of appetites in the senses. Yellow - mingling in the hearing. What is the law of the peoples that these represent? Their basic thoughts run to those elements!

There were also other centers that were developing. For in the projections they began as many, and in creating influences they began as five - or in those centers where crystallization or projection had taken on such form as to become what was called man. Hardly could it be said that they were in the exact form as in the present. For there were more of the influences that might be used when necessary; such as arms or limbs or feet or whatnot.


Edgar Cayce On Life and Mankind (http://www.powerattunements.com/article119.html)

"Of the souls which God created—and He created all souls in the beginning; none has been made since—only a comparative few have come into the experience of the solar system, though many have gone through or are going through a similar entitlement in other systems.

A way of escape for the souls which were entangled in matter was prepared. A form was chosen to be a vehicle for the soul on earth, and the way was made for souls to enter earth and experience it as part of their cycle. Of the forms already existing on earth one of the anthropoid apes most nearly approached the necessary pattern. Souls descended on these apes—hovering above and about them rather than inhabiting them—and influenced them to move toward a different goal from the simple one they had been pursuing. They came down out of the trees, built fires, made tools, lived in communities, and began to communicate with each other. Swiftly, even as man measures time, they lost their animal look, shed bodily hair, and took on refinements of manner and habit.

All this was done by the souls, working through glands, until the body of the ape was an objectification—in the third dimension of the solar system—of the soul that hovered above it. Then the soul descended into the body and earth had a new inhabitant: man.

He appeared as a consciousness within an animal, a consciousness which was felt on the earth in five different places in the Caucasus, the Carpathians, and Persia. They yellow race appeared in what is now the Gobi Desert. The black race appeared in the Sudan and upper west Africa; the red race appeared in Atlantis; the brown race appeared in the Andes.

The Pacific coast of South America was then the western coast of Lemuria. The Atlantic seaboard of the United States comprised the lowlands of Atlantis. Persia and the Caucasus were rich lands—the Garden of Eden. The poles of the earth as we know them today were tropical and semitropical. The Nile emptied into the Atlantic Ocean. The Sahara was fertile and inhabited. The Mississippi basin was part of the ocean.

The problem was to overcome the attractions of earth to the extent that the soul would be as free in the body as out of it. Only when the body was no longer a hindrance to the free expression of the soul would the cycle of earth be finished.

Atlantis and Lemuria sank; civilizations rose and fell; man was here a little better, there a little worse. He descended to the depths of earth consciousness, then slowly began to climb back. In earthly seasons it was a long journey from the moment when the first soul, looking down through the trees, saw a violet and wanted to pluck it, to the instant when the last soul should leave its body forever.

At present man is in a state of great spiritual darkness—the darkness which precedes dawn. He has carried his scepticism to the point where it is forcing him to conclusions he know intuitively are wrong. At the same time he has carried his investigation of natural phenomena to the point where it is disproving all it seemed to prove in the beginning. Free will is finding that all roads lead finally to the same destination; Science, theology, and philosophy, having no desire to join forces, are approaching a point of merger. Scepticism faces destruction by its own hand.

Man is at all times the total of what he has been and done, what he has fought and defended, what he has hated and loved. In the three-dimensional consciousness of earth every atom of his physical body is a reflection of his soul—a crystallization of his individuality. His emotional and nervous structures, his mental abilities, his aptitudes, his aversions and preferences, his fears, his follies, his ambition, his character, are the sum of what he has done with his free will since it was given to him. So every personality—the earthly cloak of an individuality—is different from every other personality.

This has been true from the beginning. The first independent thought of each soul was a little different from the first independent thought of every other soul.

So people are different in their likes and dislikes, in their desires and dreams. The law of karma—cause and effect—likewise makes them different in their joys and sorrows, in their handicaps, their strengths, their weaknesses, their virtues and vices, their appreciation of beauty, and their comprehension of truth. Debts incurred in the flesh must be met in the flesh.: natural law, not man or God, demands a eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

The same law applies to groups of people, as they act together. There is karma for families, for tribes, for races, for nations. When the souls who committed a war return to a nation, a war will be committed upon that nation. Only when defeat is endured by a nation with humility and understanding, only when victory is dispensed by a nation with justice and mercy, will the karma of battle be lifted from them.

Every person’s life is shaped to some extent by karma: his own, that of his associates and loved ones, that of his nation and race, and that of the world itself. But these, singly or together, are not greater than free will. It is what the person does about these influences and urges, how he reacts to them, that makes a difference in his soul development. Because of karma some things are more probable than others, but so long as there is free will anything is possible.

Thus free and predestination coexist in person. His past experiences limit him in probability, and incline him in certain directions, but free will can always draw the sword from the stone.

No soul takes on flesh without a general plan for the experience ahead. The personality expressed through the body is one of many which the individuality might have assumed. Its job is to work on one or several phases of the karma of the individuality. No task is undertaken which is too much for the personality to which it is assigned—or which chooses it. (Some souls choose their own entrances and set their own tasks; others, having made too many mistakes and become dangerously subject to earthly appetites, are sent back by law, at a time and under circumstances best suited to help them.) The task is seldom perfectly fulfilled, and sometimes it is badly neglected.

The general plan for perfecting the individuality in its experience of the solar system then proceeds. Another state of consciousness is assumed, as a trial or as a means of reinforcing the character of a future personality.

So the problems of individualities, the problems of groups, the problems of races and nations, are worked upon time and again until, by free will, they are solved, and the souls go on to other worlds, other systems, other universes."

[DNA]

Did the interbreeding between Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens result in a species more receptive toward the principles of Nazism? Is there a genetic pre-disposition of the resulting hybrid of that combo intellectually embracing that ideology on a mass scale like what we saw happen in Nazis Germany? Is there a demographically larger concentration of hybrids of that kind with a higher percentage of Neanderthal genes in the region of the world where Germany is located resulting in an intense focus of nationalism and race than any other region of the world?
If this is true, I find this very unsettling because German-Americans are America's largest single ethnic group.

I've read in enough places where upon I am unable to easily dismiss the idea that there have been several genetic modifications done to mankind since the initial creation of Homosapians via the Annunaki genetic adaptation of Neanderthals.

Here is the rub.
If it is true that we have been genetically altered several times with the subsequent populations rubbed out if you will, what do you think the reasons are for the modifications?

I don't think the modifications were upgrades in the sense that we were improved upon.
I think the upgrades had to do with limiting our awareness.
I think the upgrades were actually downgrades.
I think these downgrades made mankind less dangerous and more easy to control.

Is anyone familiar with Ingo Swann's book Penetration? It's a pretty good read. If I could boil that book down to one brief statement it would be

That mankind, humankind as we know it is at a distinct disadvantage to those who have a form of telepathy, this telepathy is the ability to read the thoughts of another person and, Ingo states that those with this telepathy also have telepathy+ which is, that they can also insert thoughts and/or emotions into the minds of others as they see fit.

I'm of the opinion that all of mankind had this ability at one time, this telepathy+ but that it was bred out of us by those we mistook for as Gods.

[DNA]

Of the forms already existing on earth one of the anthropoid apes most nearly approached the necessary pattern. Souls descended on these apes—hovering above and about them rather than inhabiting them—and influenced them to move toward a different goal from the simple one they had been pursuing.

I love Casey, I really do. And I'm well versed in his creation myth, based on the fact that it is exactly the same as HP Blavatsky's. But I also believe mankind as a whole did not originate on this planet. I vibe with Sitchin and agree with Billy Meier. Both talk of very similar off world roots that jive well with this thread. I've often felt like Casey's creation myth was vague enough that it could very well have been talking about evolution on another planet. Or in this case, the souls guiding the evolution could very well have been the off worlders Sitchin talks about.

Regardless, Casey's work absolutely mentions genetic tinkering.

Have you ever read "Edgar Cayce on Atlantis"? In it Cayce states that the number one cause for the wars that caused the downfall of Atlantis was a disagreement between two sides. The two sides were The Sons of Belial and the Sons of the Law of One. The major argument between these two was over the use of slavery. The Sons of Belial believed it was okay to create automatons, which were part human and part animal slaves.

Edgar Cayce mentions that the priests of Ra, when they arrived in Egypt found the people there a stock of people that were the result of this genetic tinkering and that they went about trying to repair these folks as best they could.

Further, the Cayce work states that there were half human, half animal beings basically the stuff of mythology. Centaurs, Minotaurs, Griffins and a whole host of creatures being the result of the sons of belial who thought it okay to mix animal and human DNA.

Melba Ketchum who has been attacked nonstop for her work on the bigfoot genome came up with some stunning discoveries in 2012. Her work stated that bigfoot was a relatively modern animal, not on archaic human ancestor as many folks have thought. Further, bigfoot is the product of genetic hybridization. Ketchum's work stated that Bigfoot was part animal and part human and only 15,000 years old.

That would put Bigfoot right in the thick of Atlantis. Pretty cool huh?

[Wind]

I haven't made my mind about that subject, not that I really could know. If I remember correctly, the law of one says that we were seeded by some ET races and that is most probably where we come from, meaning the stars, and of course the Creator. It is know that Mars once was full of life and was destroyed, there was this other planet too which is in rubbles now. The more warlike souls incarnated here. I do think that ultimately our souls are extraterrestial anyway... I do believe what Agape is saying, our star being.

Yes, the subject of Atlantis is familiar to me even though I haven't read that book, just several other different books, articles and readings. The Sons of Belial (Baal - Beliar - Beelzebub) were responsible for the moral decay which eventually lead to the downfall. It's very interesting that slavery has existed since those days and The Sons of Law of One opposed such thing, as any sane humane being would. The same struggle seems to have been going on for eons now until these days. Some are still more slaves than others while some have been able to found freedom.

When it comes to all those creatures and etc. It appears that myths really weren't myths, or only some of them were. Since the days of Egypt it's been downhill since the two different factions ruled at different times in different places, they did go to South America too. I'm sure most of us know the story (if you know your history). I would have loved to learn all of this in school, but instead we were told that the human civilization started to develop just after the ice age. What an incredibly silly and mistaken theory. Humanity once used to be in a great place technologically, but especially spiritually. Now we've been slowly climbing out of the hole in which we felll. Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up! ;)