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Andrew
15th May 2011, 19:20
Is the missing key white man?
For the past 6000 years has it been about white man COLONIZING planet Earth?
Is this why we don't have a history beyond that?
And that the natives are ones that do?
Did we come here and build all the monuments around the globe in preparations to move to Earth?
To preserve White mans knowledge?
Where were these colonizers from?
Orion or the Pleiades like some monuments point too?
Why don't we work with the natives instead of destroying them?
Is it because we (the white man) are not Native to Earth?
Is it really all about making room for us?
Is this is all true then why did they have to move here?
Is there Sun dieing?
Is there a Sun dieing?
Is white man the ET's?
Is the population explosion and many souls incarnating here part of the big move?
Is this why there preserving there bloodline (stock)?
An advanced civilization moving to earth, how would you go about this?
Is Atlantis really a myth to explain away the reason the monuments and missing civilizations?
If white man did come here from another place could that theory explain whats been going on in the last 6000 years?
Has this been the big plan all along?
I would like to read more questions or answers about this theory that the western people are NOT Native to planet Earth and that everything in the past 6000 years or more relating to Western civilization has been about preparing and colonizing planet Earth, this could explain why the TPTB keeping the knowledge away until there ready and whatever they've been doing.
If people can connect more dots to this theory that would be great.
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 19:29
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Whoa ... the nuggets are flowing today!!! :)
mondaze
15th May 2011, 19:32
taking the bull by the horns eh?
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 19:35
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Whoa ... the nuggets are flowing today!!! :)
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.
Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
Davidallany
15th May 2011, 19:49
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
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Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Whoa ... the nuggets are flowing today!!! :)
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.
Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
I was aware of some of the "ancient history" of the swastika prior to usage in germany ... but it would seem I need to dig deeper.
HORIZONS
15th May 2011, 19:51
Adam means "red in the face" - he represents the white race, for you can see this in his blush. They were deposited here to learn and grow and become a new species that has never existed before. But with his knowledge of good and evil he (the race) is walking down both paths simultaneously - and you can see the results all around you.
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 19:55
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
0BVlARaJM74&feature=related
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
truthseekerdan
15th May 2011, 20:02
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 20:07
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
Two things for ya,
First, good to see someone is paying attention.
Secondly, I am the Emperor, I can spell it as I please.
Do you believe that? :p
Carmody
15th May 2011, 20:24
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
The Vril Society was founded as "The All German Society for Metaphysics" in 1921 to explore the origins of the Aryan race. It was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Marija Oršić (Maria Or****sch) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Tauri, in the Aldebaran system. Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was formed from the ancient Sumerian word "Vri-Il" ("like god"). A second medium was known only as Sigrun, a name etymologically related to Sigrune, a Valkyrie and one of Wotan's nine daughters in Norse legend.[citation needed]
Davidallany
15th May 2011, 20:24
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Yes, Lord, semantics.
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 20:26
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
The Vril Society was founded as "The All German Society for Metaphysics" in 1921 to explore the origins of the Aryan race. It was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Marija Oršić (Maria Or****sch) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Tauri, in the Aldebaran system. Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was formed from the ancient Sumerian word "Vri-Il" ("like god"). A second medium was known only as Sigrun, a name etymologically related to Sigrune, a Valkyrie and one of Wotan's nine daughters in Norse legend.[citation needed]
Maria Dine has a thread on it here on avalon.
truthseekerdan
15th May 2011, 20:33
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
Two things for ya,
First, good to see someone is paying attention.
Secondly, I am the Emperor, I can spell it as I please.
Do you believe that? :p
Don't believe ya, Emperor Nuggetus... ;)
Andrew
15th May 2011, 22:04
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Whoa ... the nuggets are flowing today!!! :)
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.
Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
Yes I understand this, makes me re-think what World war 2 was all about.
Lord Sidious
15th May 2011, 22:07
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Whoa ... the nuggets are flowing today!!! :)
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.
Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
Yes I understand this, makes me re-think what World war 2 was all about.
Now THERE is a question and a half.
Mad Hatter
15th May 2011, 23:16
taking the bull by the horns eh?
Woolly Mammoth perhaps...;)
Notice that is aldeberan, not alderaan?
Aldebaran: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldebaran
Sidiousnugget :p
Two things for ya,
First, good to see someone is paying attention.
Secondly, I am the Emperor, I can spell it as I please.
Do you believe that? :p
Don't believe ya, Emperor Nuggetus... ;)
That someone is paying attention ... or he is Emperor??? :)
Maria Dine has a thread on it here on avalon.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19745-Vedas-human-dnai-mahabharata-Aryans-aryan-gods
OnyxKnight
15th May 2011, 23:46
Adam means "red in the face" - he represents the white race, for you can see this in his blush. They were deposited here to learn and grow and become a new species that has never existed before. But with his knowledge of good and evil he (the race) is walking down both paths simultaneously - and you can see the results all around you.
Wrong. It refers to the color of the skin.
The name is such, so the Adamites can be differentiated among the other tribes, who had a different pigmentation. Mostly greenish skin.
Davidallany
16th May 2011, 00:15
My papa has red skin, but he is not Native american.
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 00:33
My papa has red skin, but he is not Native american.
What makes you think i was referring to Caucasian red skin or even Native American red skin complexion?
East Sun
16th May 2011, 01:52
Is the missing key white man?
For the past 6000 years has it been about white man COLONIZING planet Earth?
Is this why we don't have a history beyond that?
And that the natives are ones that do?
Did we come here and build all the monuments around the globe in preparations to move to Earth?
To preserve White mans knowledge?
Where were these colonizers from?
Orion or the Pleiades like some monuments point too?
Why don't we work with the natives instead of destroying them?
Is it because we (the white man) are not Native to Earth?
Is it really all about making room for us?
Is this is all true then why did they have to move here?
Is there Sun dieing?
Is there a Sun dieing?
Is white man the ET's?
Is the population explosion and many souls incarnating here part of the big move?
Is this why there preserving there bloodline (stock)?
An advanced civilization moving to earth, how would you go about this?
Is Atlantis really a myth to explain away the reason the monuments and missing civilizations?
If white man did come here from another place could that theory explain whats been going on in the last 6000 years?
Has this been the big plan all along?
I would like to read more questions or answers about this theory that the western people are NOT Native to planet Earth and that everything in the past 6000 years or more relating to Western civilization has been about preparing and colonizing planet Earth, this could explain why the TPTB keeping the knowledge away until there ready and whatever they've been doing.
If people can connect more dots to this theory that would be great.
Now, that is really interesting. Had not considered that before. Wowzie, it make sense. Have to check it out. Just when I thought the forum was going the way of the Dodo.
A New Hope Reborn
16th May 2011, 02:27
Is the missing key white man?
For the past 6000 years has it been about white man COLONIZING planet Earth?
Is this why we don't have a history beyond that?
And that the natives are ones that do?
Did we come here and build all the monuments around the globe in preparations to move to Earth?
To preserve White mans knowledge?
Where were these colonizers from?
Orion or the Pleiades like some monuments point too?
Why don't we work with the natives instead of destroying them?
Is it because we (the white man) are not Native to Earth?
Is it really all about making room for us?
Is this is all true then why did they have to move here?
Is there Sun dieing?
Is there a Sun dieing?
Is white man the ET's?
Is the population explosion and many souls incarnating here part of the big move?
Is this why there preserving there bloodline (stock)?
An advanced civilization moving to earth, how would you go about this?
Is Atlantis really a myth to explain away the reason the monuments and missing civilizations?
If white man did come here from another place could that theory explain whats been going on in the last 6000 years?
Has this been the big plan all along?
I would like to read more questions or answers about this theory that the western people are NOT Native to planet Earth and that everything in the past 6000 years or more relating to Western civilization has been about preparing and colonizing planet Earth, this could explain why the TPTB keeping the knowledge away until there ready and whatever they've been doing.
If people can connect more dots to this theory that would be great. HaHaHa LOL white people are human too,and i think the missing link is ET. BTW humans have been warring with each other all over the world for thousands of years.
here are some links that might interest you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_clustering
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_people
pleas read this one it will clear up alot of confusion : http://raceandgenomics.ssrc.org/Lewontin/
slavery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery
War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_war
that should be enough info to answer your question Oh! and use common sense too people LOL
Andrew
16th May 2011, 02:28
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.
Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
Yes I understand this, makes me re-think what World war 2 was all about.
Now THERE is a question and a half.
This page I came across looks interesting
http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/category/05-chapter-v-part-1/
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 02:33
This page I came across looks interesting
http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/category/05-chapter-v-part-1/
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
sandy
16th May 2011, 03:20
This page I came across looks interesting
http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/category/05-chapter-v-part-1/
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
Congrat's Lord Sidious,
Happy to hear about the Radio Show becoming a reality>>>>>>>>>>>>>wait with baited breath for the contact info and start date:
A New Hope Reborn
16th May 2011, 06:17
You might want to check out Michael Tsarions work. He has an interesting take on things. He's theory talks about a previous civilization that was destroyed through a war and a catastrophic pole-shift. he has a good understanding of symbolism metaphors and etymology. he uses this knowledge to decode all the mythologies from around the world and according to him they all tell the same story. check out he's Atlantis book and the Irish origins of civilization he makes some interesting arguments
Here is his youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/UnslavedFilms#p/p
Here is his official webpage: http://michaeltsarion.com/
I think Bill should interview him he's stuff on consciousness is fascinating.
Andrew
16th May 2011, 14:37
You might want to check out Michael Tsarions work. He has an interesting take on things. He's theory talks about a previous civilization that was destroyed through a war and a catastrophic pole-shift. he has a good understanding of symbolism metaphors and etymology. he uses this knowledge to decode all the mythologies from around the world and according to him they all tell the same story. check out he's Atlantis book and the Irish origins of civilization he makes some interesting arguments
Here is his youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/UnslavedFilms#p/p
Here is his official webpage: http://michaeltsarion.com/
I think Bill should interview him he's stuff on consciousness is fascinating.
I really do wonder if Atlantis was on another planet?
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 16:29
You might want to check out Michael Tsarions work. He has an interesting take on things. He's theory talks about a previous civilization that was destroyed through a war and a catastrophic pole-shift. he has a good understanding of symbolism metaphors and etymology. he uses this knowledge to decode all the mythologies from around the world and according to him they all tell the same story. check out he's Atlantis book and the Irish origins of civilization he makes some interesting arguments
Here is his youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/UnslavedFilms#p/p
Here is his official webpage: http://michaeltsarion.com/
I think Bill should interview him he's stuff on consciousness is fascinating.
I really do wonder if Atlantis was on another planet?
It is possible, the question is, is it probable?
It may well be.
You might want to check out Michael Tsarions work. He has an interesting take on things. He's theory talks about a previous civilization that was destroyed through a war and a catastrophic pole-shift. he has a good understanding of symbolism metaphors and etymology. he uses this knowledge to decode all the mythologies from around the world and according to him they all tell the same story. check out he's Atlantis book and the Irish origins of civilization he makes some interesting arguments
Here is his youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/UnslavedFilms#p/p
Here is his official webpage: http://michaeltsarion.com/
I think Bill should interview him he's stuff on consciousness is fascinating.
I really do wonder if Atlantis was on another planet?
It is possible, the question is, is it probable?
It may well be.
I have listened to a lot of Tsarian's stuff ... good researcher.
Sure don't remember hearing that one.
Real head scratcher ... Atlantis on another planet ... between timelines, densities, dimensions and the various ways to travel outside of the physical I suppose just about anything is possible???
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 17:10
This was on another thread here, still got it downloading to listen to.
Stan Deyo is an interesting guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kGRrB693TUA
http://standeyo.com/bio.Stan.html
http://www.amazon.com/Cosmic-Conspiracy-Millennium-Stan-Deyo/dp/0908477058
http://www.amazon.com/Vindicator-Scrolls-Vol-1/dp/0908477031
He was a naughty boy once and offered his opinion when he shouldn't have.
So, they exiled him to Australia, Perth to be exact. I looked him up in the phone book and there he was, living in Kalamunda.
He got his passport back and is back in America.
From the other thread I got this from it is said he is speaking of an event the us govt is preparing for.
The return of the sumerian gods.
And guess who that is?
The aryans, just like your Uncle Sidious has been telling you.
Nuggets from Heaven ... :thank_you2:
davyj0nes
16th May 2011, 17:42
From the other thread I got this from it is said he is speaking of an event the us govt is preparing for. The return of the sumerian gods. And guess who that is? The aryans, just like your Uncle Sidious has been telling you.
the aryans are the annunaki, which are from aldeberan? if so woa... and why???
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 17:52
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
Andrew
16th May 2011, 17:56
So for the last 6000 years its about preparing earth for there return?
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 17:57
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
So for the last 6000 years its about preparing earth for there return?
I think that most of what has happened here was unintentional.
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 18:00
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:03
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Tell me, why is it that when this topic comes up, you have to interject and disrupt the discussion?
What is in this for you?
norman
16th May 2011, 18:12
Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?
Seikou-Kishi
16th May 2011, 18:16
The word "Aryan" does indeed predate Hitler. It is a word common to most Indo-European languages, where it refers to heritage, especially the shared heritage of kinship groups. The word 'Aryan' is cognate with 'Iran', which literally means "our home", with the emphasis on 'our' as a representation of kinship and heritage. If Hitler has dirtied the word it's unfortunate, but the term has a long history independent of him, and until him it did not have negative connotations any more than words like "self", "kin"/"kith", &c., nor did it have any connotation of superiority, it meant what it meant and it included no judgement of worth or value.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:18
Why do you think it's mostly been unintentional SID?
It seems that they created man as a type of slave, possibly to mine gold, that is one theory.
There are gold mines on the planet that predate recorded history, so that is a possibility and also explains why there is no missing link.
Once they got what they wanted, I suppose they went elsewhere.
There was a war on the planet where man fought the gods, as you would find in the Vedas.
Some of them, probably Enlil/Jehovah and Marduk never left, they may have been marooned.
All of this, what we call civilisation may be a support system for them until they can get off of Earth and go home, or help arrives.
That could also explain the world government and the need they have to reduce the planet's population to conserve resources.
So, this, what we call existence is probably not what they intended when they genetically engineered man.
The word "Aryan" does indeed predate Hitler. It is a word common to most Indo-European languages, where it refers to heritage, especially the shared heritage of kinship groups. The word 'Aryan' is cognate with 'Iran', which literally means "our home", with the emphasis on 'our' as a representation of kinship and heritage. If Hitler has dirtied the word it's unfortunate, but the term has a long history independent of him, and until him it did not have negative connotations any more than words like "self", "kin"/"kith", &c., nor did it have any connotation of superiority, it meant what it meant and it included no judgement of worth or value.
Aryan means Pure in sanskrit.
That is why I say that THEY are the aryans, not their descendants.
Mostafa
16th May 2011, 18:26
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
norman
16th May 2011, 18:27
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
hello, What do Iranians call Iran?
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:28
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
No worries man.
Glad to have someone from Iran aboard, you can probably keep us up to date with the realities of life there.
I am sure there would be many who want to seperate fact from fiction, I know I do.
Mostafa
16th May 2011, 18:37
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
No worries man.
Glad to have someone from Iran aboard, you can probably keep us up to date with the realities of life there.
I am sure there would be many who want to seperate fact from fiction, I know I do.
for sure
I would be more than willing to answer any question.
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Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
hello, What do Iranians call Iran?
Hey
we call it Iran and write it like:
ایران
our alphabet is Arabic but our language is different from Arabic
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It was formerly called Persia though. After the republic well...things changed.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:38
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
No worries man.
Glad to have someone from Iran aboard, you can probably keep us up to date with the realities of life there.
I am sure there would be many who want to seperate fact from fiction, I know I do.
for sure
I would be more than willing to answer any question.
¤=[Post Update]=¤
Seikou-Kishi and Lord Sidious thank you both:) I can't believe I didn't know what Iran means.
hello, What do Iranians call Iran?
Hey
we call it Iran and write it like:
ایران
our alphabet is Arabic but our language is different from Arabic
¤=[Post Update]=¤
It was formerly called Persia though. After the republic well...things changed.
That says Al Iran in arabic.
Farsi is very close, but you have letters that arabic doesn't.
Mostafa
16th May 2011, 18:41
That's right:) four of them:
گ
چ
پ
ژ
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 18:46
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Tell me, why is it that when this topic comes up, you have to interject and disrupt the discussion?
What is in this for you?
Disrupt in what way? Or do you mean disrupt your view of things?
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:49
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Tell me, why is it that when this topic comes up, you have to interject and disrupt the discussion?
What is in this for you?
Disrupt in what way? Or do you mean disrupt your view of things?
You know what I mean, you attempt to do the same thing every time.
It didn't work in the other thread either.
Trying to big note yourself at my expense and to try and make me out as some type of white supremacist.
Why don't you just go off and talk to your alien friends elsewhere?
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 18:50
The word "Aryan" does indeed predate Hitler. It is a word common to most Indo-European languages, where it refers to heritage, especially the shared heritage of kinship groups. The word 'Aryan' is cognate with 'Iran', which literally means "our home", with the emphasis on 'our' as a representation of kinship and heritage. If Hitler has dirtied the word it's unfortunate, but the term has a long history independent of him, and until him it did not have negative connotations any more than words like "self", "kin"/"kith", &c., nor did it have any connotation of superiority, it meant what it meant and it included no judgement of worth or value.
So that's why I was told Iran has connection with the Aldebarans.
Interesting ...
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 18:54
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Tell me, why is it that when this topic comes up, you have to interject and disrupt the discussion?
What is in this for you?
Disrupt in what way? Or do you mean disrupt your view of things?
You know what I mean, you attempt to do the same thing every time.
It didn't work in the other thread either.
Trying to big note yourself at my expense and to try and make me out as some type of white supremacist.
Why don't you just go off and talk to your alien friends elsewhere?
1- I made a reference on a play of words that people use when referring to the old age of the term 'Aryan'. Has nothing to do with making you, specifically, a racist, or a white supremacist. But acting out a victim is a frequent tactic you and the like use. You are a victim as much as you let yourself be one.
2- I can talk/speak/post wherever I like. If you don't like it, there is an 'ignore' button. I believe this forum template features one If I recall well. Put it in use.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 18:58
There is no such thing as an Aryan race. The Aldebarans intoxicated Hitler's mind with those gibberish. Indirectly of course.
That is why that word predates him by millenia.
The sum-aryan play of words? LOL
yeah .... right ....
Tell me, why is it that when this topic comes up, you have to interject and disrupt the discussion?
What is in this for you?
Disrupt in what way? Or do you mean disrupt your view of things?
You know what I mean, you attempt to do the same thing every time.
It didn't work in the other thread either.
Trying to big note yourself at my expense and to try and make me out as some type of white supremacist.
Why don't you just go off and talk to your alien friends elsewhere?
1- I made a reference on a play of words that people use when referring to the old age of the term 'Aryan'. Has nothing to do with making you, specifically, a racist, or a white supremacist. But acting out a victim is a frequent tactic you and the like use. You are a victim as much as you let yourself be one.
2- I can talk/speak/post wherever I like. If you don't like it, there is an 'ignore' button. I believe this forum template features one If I recall well. Put it in use.
Good attempt, but no.
You consistently enter threads and divert them, that is trolling.
Secondly, I would love to see how many times out of my posts I have complained about behaviour like yours. You just want to make the victim appear to be the problem, like you did to James Horak.
And your comments about the ignore button, showing a lack of respect for anyone else, betray you as the troll you are.
Begone and don't hurry back.
The bridge the SS was looking for is in Tibet. iirc It was Himmler who was very into it.
cheers
K
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 19:07
The bridge the SS was looking for is in Tibet. iirc It was Himmler who was very into it.
cheers
K
Tell us more, this is interesting.
Why the heck is it that all the popcorn moments appear when I have to head off to slumberland??? :sleep:
:boxing: ... :pop2: ... :decision: ... :pop2: ... :boxing:
As my small call for "let there be peace" I will copy this one here (since with so much action is going on the lighter side seems to be falling by the wayside):
7447
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 19:14
Good attempt, but no.
You consistently enter threads and divert them, that is trolling.
Secondly, I would love to see how many times out of my posts I have complained about behaviour like yours. You just want to make the victim appear to be the problem, like you did to James Horak.
And your comments about the ignore button, showing a lack of respect for anyone else, betray you as the troll you are.
Begone and don't hurry back.
No, I was on topic, till you started acting the victim role again. And you constantly complain about my behavior. And no matter how many posts, its only you that complains. The ignore button comment still stands (take it or leave it).
And FFS, try getting back on topic please.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 19:18
Good attempt, but no.
You consistently enter threads and divert them, that is trolling.
Secondly, I would love to see how many times out of my posts I have complained about behaviour like yours. You just want to make the victim appear to be the problem, like you did to James Horak.
And your comments about the ignore button, showing a lack of respect for anyone else, betray you as the troll you are.
Begone and don't hurry back.
No, I was on topic, till you started acting the victim role again. And you constantly complain about my behavior. And no matter how many posts, its only you that complains. The ignore button comment still stands (take it or leave it).
And FFS, try getting back on topic please.
So you are the victim now?
Interesting.
ThePythonicCow
16th May 2011, 19:20
Heh - what is this? You guys vying to see who is the victim here?
You'all making my mod duties difficult :hurt:
;)
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 19:21
Heh - what is this? You guys vying to see who is the victim here?
You'all making my mod duties difficult :hurt:
;)
Easy way to fix that.
Who do you want to be a member here, him or me?
The bridge the SS was looking for is in Tibet. iirc It was Himmler who was very into it.
cheers
K
Tell us more, this is interesting.
Here mate. This is the best book.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H2aV5WYlL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
There is also a doc out there which is high quality but hard to get hold of...
http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/n-s/nazimyths.html
My understanding was that the Thule society was really the driving force of the mythos voodoo if you like.
"Remarkable stories clustered around the Schäfer Expedition to Tibet of 1938-1939. The project was only one of several German expeditions to that part of the world at about the same time (the one that included Heinrich Harrer is perhaps the best known because of his memoir, Seven Years in Tibet), but the Schäfer Expedition had the backing of SS-Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler and of the Ahnenerbe, the research bureau reputed to be interested in the occult. Besides, it reached the then rarely visited holy city of Lhasa, and the Germans were known to have found favor with the ruling Regent.
The British feared that the Germans were attempting to organize a Himalayan Front against India in preparation for the coming war. Tibetan peasants said that the fearsome leader of the German team drank blood. Later, more imaginative rumors had it that the true purpose of the expedition was to open contacts with the diabolical forces resident in Agarthi, a hidden city of theosophical legend.
Christopher Hale is a noted producer of travel and anthropology documentaries. In this book he never shies away from reporting a lurid story or an intriguing rumor, but he manages to make the Schäfer Expedition and its participants no more fantastic than they really were. Thus, though Himmler seems to have been keen on uncovering the theosophical mysteries of Tibet, the members of the expedition were doing more or less serious science. The Germans and the Tibetans do seem to have been making tentative diplomatic overtures, though perhaps to cross purposes. And yes, the expedition’s leader did drink the blood of animals he killed: it was a hunter’s thing.
That leader was Ernst Schäfer (1910-1992), an ambitious zoologist who specialized in ornithology and big-game hunting. The book is chiefly concerned with him and with Bruno Beger (1911-2004), the team’s anthropologist. They figure most prominently among the five scientists on the expedition. They also had disturbing careers as experts in the biological sciences for the SS during the war.
Schäfer had been in Tibet before, on two specimen-gathering trips led by the wealthy American naturalist Brooke Dolan. Dolan had learned Theodore Roosevelt’s trick of getting scientific institutions (in Dolan’s case, the Philadelphia Academy of Natural History) to fund his hunting expeditions, with the happy side effect of making the hunters moderately famous. Dolan and Schäfer journeyed to eastern Tibet, a debatable land of chronic skirmishing among the Chinese Nationalist government, various war lords, the ineffectual Tibetan army, and, just in time for the second expedition, the Red Army on the Long March. On neither trip did they come anywhere near Lhasa (Dolan did reach Lhasa in 1945, as a member of the OSS), but Schäfer’s books and articles about his adventures made him something of an authority in Germany about Tibet, as well as a minor public figure. Those qualifications and his membership in the SS were more than enough to bring him to the favorable attention of Heinrich Himmler.
Schäfer had been planning his own, more thoroughly scientific expedition to Tibet as soon as he returned home in 1935 from the second and rather acrimonious Dolan expedition. He needed sponsors, and Himmler offered to help him financially and bureaucratically. Part of the cost to Schäfer was that his enterprise would be associated with the Ahnenerbe (usually translated “Ancestral Inheritance Bureau”). That SS agency really did have someone looking for information about the Holy Grail at the time; a close connection with it could ruin an academic career, even in Nazi Germany. Schäfer succeeded in refusing to include an Ahnenerbe expert who had written a novel entitled Springtime in Atlantis, and in fact the financial help that the Ahnenerbe could give was so small that its patronage was not conspicuous. Nonetheless, after his return, Schäfer would manage an independent Asia-studies institute that was technically within the Ahnenerbe."
And so on...
I've visited Wewelsburg castle and that place has a very dark aura...My girlfriend is German and I really had to talk her into it....
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/WewelsburgCastle/Photos2008/Wewelsburg6792.jpg
The Wewelsburg castle was built between 1603 and 1609, on the site of a previous castle, as a second residence for the Prince Bishops of Paderborn. It features three towers connected by walls which enclose a triangular shaped courtyard. Wewelsburg is the only three-sided castle in Germany.
The mystical side of the SS and the high command were IMO tuned into some pretty heavy exotica. Best leave it at that. :p
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/WewelsburgCastle/Photos/NorthTower.jpg
"Known as the Obergruppenführersaal in German, or the Hall of Supreme Generals in English, this room on the ground floor of the North tower was designed with 12 pillars arranged in a circle like Stonehenge in England. It was designed to be used as a ceremonial hall for the top 12 generals in the Schutzstaffel or SS, the elite army of Germany in World War II."
There was a special magic ritual as the light is meant to hit the newly ordained from the 12 windows and so on...
cheers
K
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 19:25
Aha, that is what you meant.
Ok, yeah, I know about that stuff.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is partially based on the various expeditions.
Aha, that is what you meant.
Ok, yeah, I know about that stuff.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is partially based on the various expeditions.
Got away with not explaing the bridge. :p
K
OnyxKnight
16th May 2011, 19:30
Heh - what is this? You guys vying to see who is the victim here?
You'all making my mod duties difficult :hurt:
;)
Sorry Paul.
I'll refrain from responding any longer to him, as he has a long history of derailing topics. The thread shouldn't suffer because of him.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 19:30
Aha, that is what you meant.
Ok, yeah, I know about that stuff.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is partially based on the various expeditions.
Got away with not explaing the bridge. :p
K
So what are you waiting for then?
You raised it.
Heh - what is this? You guys vying to see who is the victim here?
You'all making my mod duties difficult :hurt:
;)
Sorry Paul.
I'll refrain from responding any longer to him, as he has a long history of derailing topics. The thread shouldn't suffer because of him.
That is a much better attempt than you have done for a while.
Still a b-, but getting better.
Aha, that is what you meant.
Ok, yeah, I know about that stuff.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is partially based on the various expeditions.
Got away with not explaing the bridge. :p
K
So what are you waiting for then?
You raised it.
;)
It's above your paygrade rasta. ;)
Kstein
Some Bloke
16th May 2011, 19:58
Interesting thread, heres a facinating site on the Vril /Thule/ alderbaran topic
http://black.greyfalcon.us/
thunder24
16th May 2011, 20:01
Lord Sid and Onyxknight,
I appreciate both of your insights here on Avalon. Why can't we just post and not direct it at any one. if one has an opposeing view then state it and vice versa. You don't have to respond at anyone. Don't become keyboard warriors, please and thankyou. Both of you intrigue me so I thankyou for that.
peace
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 20:05
Lord Sid and Onyxknight,
I appreciate both of your insights here on Avalon. Why can't we just post and not direct it at any one. if one has an opposeing view then state it and vice versa. You don't have to respond at anyone. Don't become keyboard warriors, please and thankyou. Both of you intrigue me so I thankyou for that.
peace
Go back and review his posts, lots of them are trolling and could be seen to be breaking the rules.
I have reported his posts on occasions and nothing is done.
So here we are, either he is controlled and we both post on the forum, or they pick him or me.
I am not playing games with him anymore.
Andrew
16th May 2011, 20:08
Aha, that is what you meant.
Ok, yeah, I know about that stuff.
Raiders of the Lost Ark is partially based on the various expeditions.
Got away with not explaing the bridge. :p
K
So what are you waiting for then?
You raised it.
;)
It's above your paygrade rasta. ;)
Kstein
What bridge? bridge to where?
lol inner earth?
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 20:20
He probably means the bridge between the surface and the hidden cities.
majapahit
16th May 2011, 20:46
if I may bud into this discussion (I'm only glancing these posts)
may I remind readers that in the heyday of 'northern european' academics
the european - based - universities were spreading 'classicism'
the Superior people were considered the Romans, i.c. the 'Latin' breed, the harbingers of
classic History, Academics, Law & Politics
(the Romans themselves thought, by the way, the Greek to be their superior Philosopher)
a topic headed "Has white man colonised planet Earth?"
is a post WW2 notion in the realm of the 'multitudes'
and a - arbitrary - post Bismarck notion for the better versed
and have a wild guess why that is
(& I find these notions rather unhealthy, and do not have a place on Avalon.
May I point to the "The Anglo-Saxon Mission" publication, rather in-your-face and page 1 of this Forum
& People should better understand what such a 'mission' means, in all its degeneracy)
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 20:50
if I may bud into this discussion (I'm only glancing these posts)
may I remind readers that in the heyday of 'northern european' academics
the european - based - universities were spreading 'classicism'
the Superior people were considered the Romans, i.c. the 'Latin' breed, the harbingers of
classic History, Academics, Law & Politics
(the Romans themselves thought, by the way, the Greek to be their superior Philosopher)
a topic headed "Has white man colonised planet Earth?"
is a post WW2 notion
and have a wild guess why that is
(& I find these notions rather unhealthy)
You think the latin speaking groups aren't white?
This isn't about which group is better or whatever, it is about an idea that the threadstarter had.
Why is it that some of you want to shut this down?
So much for being able to debate.
majapahit
16th May 2011, 21:00
if I may bud into this discussion (I'm only glancing these posts)
may I remind readers that in the heyday of 'northern european' academics
the european - based - universities were spreading 'classicism'
the Superior people were considered the Romans, i.c. the 'Latin' breed, the harbingers of
classic History, Academics, Law & Politics
(the Romans themselves thought, by the way, the Greek to be their superior Philosopher)
a topic headed "Has white man colonised planet Earth?"
is a post WW2 notion
and have a wild guess why that is
(& I find these notions rather unhealthy)
You think the latin speaking groups aren't white?
that Latin speakers would be considered 'white'
also is (for the media masses)
a post "WW2" notion
the original white nazi thought a 'one breed EU' a swell idea
only, you should be aware of what german nazi's (then and now)
really think of the 'inferior Latins'
- and I've heard this live on German Television, I can understand German
This isn't about which group is better or whatever, it is about an idea that the threadstarter had.
Why is it that some of you want to shut this down?
So much for being able to debate.
I consider these notions
how "The Anglo-Saxon Mission" really really f(^$#@d up peoples brains
how successfull
read history
pre-WW2
pre-Napoleon
the NWO bought & paid the universities, you will agree on that, I suppose
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 21:03
Well thanks for continuing the thread going offtopic.
Obviously the topic is so offensive it needs to be shut down.
Did you ever think (?) that the white men he referred to weren't from earth?
Or did you just sniff some racism in the water and decide to wade in?
And those ''nazis'' you speak of?
You know nothing of them, you only think you do.
What ethnicity was Rudolf Hess's mother?
majapahit
16th May 2011, 21:06
Well thanks for continuing the thread going offtopic.
Obviously the topic is so offensive it needs to be shut down.
Did you ever think (?) that the white men he referred to weren't from earth?
everybody is
ask charles:cool:
Or did you just sniff some racism in the water and decide to wade in?
I sniff ignorence
therefore I enlighten
And those ''nazis'' you speak of?
You know nothing of them, you only think you do.
oh, but I do
What ethnicity was Rudolf Hess's mother?
to the thoroughly confused
my bet is she is to be considered Celtic
(Etruscan? Scithian? not Macedonian, that would be bloody awful, wouldnt it)
in the way the Windsors think they are 'the lost tribe'
all nonsense of course
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 21:08
Well thanks for continuing the thread going offtopic.
Obviously the topic is so offensive it needs to be shut down.
Did you ever think (?) that the white men he referred to weren't from earth?
everybody is
ask charles:cool:
Or did you just sniff some racism in the water and decide to wade in?
I sniff ignorence
therefore I enlighten
Sure you do.
You enlighten us by speaking down to us and making reference to something unrelated other than skin colour?
Funny, I thought you were against ignorance?
majapahit
16th May 2011, 21:12
Well thanks for continuing the thread going offtopic.
Obviously the topic is so offensive it needs to be shut down.
Did you ever think (?) that the white men he referred to weren't from earth?
everybody is
ask charles:cool:
Or did you just sniff some racism in the water and decide to wade in?
I sniff ignorence
therefore I enlighten
Sure you do.
You enlighten us by speaking down to us and making reference to something unrelated other than skin colour?
you are referring to the color of blood or braincells here?
oh, this will be my last post on this subject
Funny, I thought you were against ignorance?
Andrew
16th May 2011, 21:35
The theory an advanced people evacuating here from another planet (or got stuck here), now trying to get home or more likely setting up camp, while preparing earth for this massive change, is a wild theory but wow its good. Using this theory seems to answer a lot of questions.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 21:37
Well thanks for continuing the thread going offtopic.
Obviously the topic is so offensive it needs to be shut down.
Did you ever think (?) that the white men he referred to weren't from earth?
everybody is
ask charles:cool:
Or did you just sniff some racism in the water and decide to wade in?
I sniff ignorence
therefore I enlighten
Sure you do.
You enlighten us by speaking down to us and making reference to something unrelated other than skin colour?
you are referring to the color of blood or braincells here?
oh, this will be my last post on this subject
Funny, I thought you were against ignorance?
Yeah, you got your snide remarks in, scuttle off back under your rock.
Say hello to onyx for us.
The theory an advanced people evacuating here from another planet (or got stuck here), now trying to get home or more likely setting up camp, while preparing earth for this massive change, is a wild theory but wow its good. Using this theory seems to answer a lot of questions.
Too bad your thread attracted the interest of those who don't want it debated.
The same ones again and again.
And I think you are close to the money.
TWINCANS
16th May 2011, 22:24
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Back to what I'm sure will be a thoroughly interesting topic...
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
I personally look to some of the earliest tablet images as portraying the Annunaki (I guess from Sitchin's approach) and they don't look like blond Celts or Western European whites to me. More big boned, dark curly haired and swarthy.
Lord Sidious
16th May 2011, 22:30
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Back to what I'm sure will be a thoroughly interesting topic...
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
I personally look to some of the earliest tablet images as portraying the Annunaki (I guess from Sitchin's approach) and they don't look like blond Celts or Western European whites to me. More big boned, dark curly haired and swarthy.
The gods who gave sanskrit to the local were described the same as gods all around the planet, large, white, blonde with blue eyes.
No idea why this is so offensive to some, I never wrote it, this is thousands of years old.
TWINCANS
16th May 2011, 22:42
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
Some Bloke
16th May 2011, 22:44
It sure does, I''ve got 27 teeth but its 3 too many
Andrew
17th May 2011, 00:34
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
Considering the layout of the Giza pyramids and Teotihuacan in relation to the Orion constellation and the Pleiades and the layout, the way there positioned on the Earth, if you draw a line through Orion's belt and follow it down it leads to the Pleiades, if you do this with a map of the world and draw a line through the Giza pyramids and follow it down it will lead to Teotihuacan (this tells us something) also considering they have been built to stand the test of time as markers and/or keepers of knowledge, by some advanced civilization who just seemed to of built them and left? During which our civilization springs up?
Also not all at once this has been a process.
TWINCANS
17th May 2011, 01:08
Yes, the Orion Stargate theory. The three stars being called Is, Ra and El. The layout of the 3 pyramids being also in the Fibonacci spiral pattern, presumably to increase power to the larger one for initiation and contact purposes.
The question I had is the Aldebarans reference. And the link to the Aryans and Annunakis. After all it was only 2 Thule channelers who came up with the Aldebaran name. As you point out, what about the Pleiades, who many channelers believe are 'tricksters'.
Also I was also going to ask if anyone can describe the look of the other ruling race on earth at the time, the Atlanteans?
DouglasDanger
17th May 2011, 01:40
Interesting topic,
I've felt for a while humans are not native to earth, each ruined or had thier planets ruined and were mercy moved here, ( god gave us these lands is a statment in alot of religons) I also think some of the things discovered on mars could be evidence of various races being moved here from mars after it was ruined it as well .. Mars vibrates "war disaster" to me, its why its being refered to as the god of war etc IMHO..
Lord Sidious
17th May 2011, 03:07
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
For all I know, they could be another ''ethnicity'' within the aryans that are the progenitors of the greeks, italians, spanish and the other latins and the persians too.
Yes, the Orion Stargate theory. The three stars being called Is, Ra and El. The layout of the 3 pyramids being also in the Fibonacci spiral pattern, presumably to increase power to the larger one for initiation and contact purposes.
The question I had is the Aldebarans reference. And the link to the Aryans and Annunakis. After all it was only 2 Thule channelers who came up with the Aldebaran name. As you point out, what about the Pleiades, who many channelers believe are 'tricksters'.
Also I was also going to ask if anyone can describe the look of the other ruling race on earth at the time, the Atlanteans?
It was the two Maria and Sigrun from the Vril, not the Thule.
And seeing as they have indeed disappeared without trace, I would think that in itself is a good clue.
It was the two Maria and Sigrun from the Vril, not the Thule.
And seeing as they have indeed disappeared without trace, I would think that in itself is a good clue.
did vril society depart for aldebaran in 1945
Did Maria Orsic hop in a Vril-7 spacecraft and make the jump in a worm hole to Aldebaran? A March 11, 1945 letter to the Vril Society written by Orsic, ended with "niemand bleibt hier" (no one is staying here). Orsic and the Vril Society vanished off the face of the earth shortly after. What does it imply? Did their fate take them elsewhere? In 1919, Orsic claimed to receive telepathic tranmissions, which originated from Aldebaran in the constellation Taurus. The transmissions resulted in two piles of papers, one in a secret German Templar script and a second unknown language, which turned out to be Sumerian. The papers were detailed plans for a flying machine. By 1922, the flying machine project, funded by the Thule and Vril Societies, began assembling parts manufactured for them by independent industry sources.
By early 1944, Orsic and Sigrun, the Vril mediums received information on inhabitable planets around Aldebaran and discussions ensued about a possible trip. These discussions included the highest levels of the Third Reich. The decision was made for a test flight of a Vril 7 through a "dimension channel", which rumor has as barely averting disaster. Did Maria Orsic and the Vril Society make it or crash and burn? Is it myth or is there something more? A nice ten minute video primer of the occult background and progression of the Vril flying machine is linked here.
http://cyber-space-war.blogspot.com/2010/12/did-vril-society-depart-for-aldebaran.html
*** adding ***
The Vril Discs
Series 1-11
(1941-1945)
The Vril motto “Not all good comes from above” summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.
The name Vril is the shortening of “VRI-IL” which means “Like God”. Officially Vril was “The All German Society for Metaphysics” which merged with the Thule Gesellschaft and the obscure DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) in the year 1919.
The DHvSS (1912) worshipped the German mountain goddess Isias and the Schwarz Stein (black stone). The Thule Gesellschaft (1917) believed in the hollow earth theory and derived its name from Ultima Thule the ancient capital of Hyperborea at the top of the world. Vril worshipped the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which supposedly gave or generated incredible power and communicated with Aryan aliens living in the Aldebaran system through psychic channeling.
Confused by the strange language and mental images she was receiving through psychic channeling, Maria Orsic of Thule joined with the Vril Gesellschaft which brought in another psychic medium named Sigrun to help translate the alien language (which turned out to be ancient Sumerian) and decipher the strange mental images of a circular flight machine for making contact.
Sigrun was not the Vril medium’s true name but is derived from Sigrune - one of the nine daughters of Odin and a Valkyrie.
So this is where the Vril disc story begins ...
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm
(note - this one has plenty of photos if you follow the link)
kersley
17th May 2011, 07:19
Interesting topic,
I've felt for a while humans are not native to earth, each ruined or had thier planets ruined and were mercy moved here, ( god gave us these lands is a statment in alot of religons) I also think some of the things discovered on mars could be evidence of various races being moved here from mars after it was ruined it as well .. Mars vibrates "war disaster" to me, its why its being refered to as the god of war etc IMHO..
If you are a believer of Sitchin. Then i recommend you read the lost book of Enki. it is available online for free. you'll learn about the Annunaki gods who came here from elsewhere. You will also learn about the 300 beings that was stationed on mars and the 200 that came here for the wedding of Enki's son Marduk. Marduk gave up his royal title in order for him to be allowed to stay on earth with his earthling wife.These off key evil bad mind rebellious beings from mars are the same beings that took women for wives and created giants of olden days.
He also tells a story about mutation. how the white man came about. It is a fantastic read. I have read it over 20 times. best of all his books.
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
For all I know, they could be another ''ethnicity'' within the aryans that are the progenitors of the greeks, italians, spanish and the other latins and the persians too.
Yes, the Orion Stargate theory. The three stars being called Is, Ra and El. The layout of the 3 pyramids being also in the Fibonacci spiral pattern, presumably to increase power to the larger one for initiation and contact purposes.
The question I had is the Aldebarans reference. And the link to the Aryans and Annunakis. After all it was only 2 Thule channelers who came up with the Aldebaran name. As you point out, what about the Pleiades, who many channelers believe are 'tricksters'.
Also I was also going to ask if anyone can describe the look of the other ruling race on earth at the time, the Atlanteans?
It was the two Maria and Sigrun from the Vril, not the Thule.
And seeing as they have indeed disappeared without trace, I would think that in itself is a good clue.
To understand the Aryan is to understand will not colour. It is to understand imagination undeminished by the herd. It is to understand destiny beyond the limits of chance. And then it is just another word for the universal force. It is ulitmately and energy to overcome that which cannot be overcome.
K
To understand the Aryan is to understand will not colour. It is to understand imagination undeminished by the herd. It is to understand destiny beyond the limits of chance. And then it is just another word for the universal force. It is ulitmately and energy to overcome that which cannot be overcome.
K
That is certainly interesting ... and humanity could use a little injection of "energy to overcome that which cannot be overcome" right about now.
Would it be rude to inquire where that information/knowledge came from?
Andrew
17th May 2011, 14:36
It was the two Maria and Sigrun from the Vril, not the Thule.
And seeing as they have indeed disappeared without trace, I would think that in itself is a good clue.
did vril society depart for aldebaran in 1945
Did Maria Orsic hop in a Vril-7 spacecraft and make the jump in a worm hole to Aldebaran? A March 11, 1945 letter to the Vril Society written by Orsic, ended with "niemand bleibt hier" (no one is staying here). Orsic and the Vril Society vanished off the face of the earth shortly after. What does it imply? Did their fate take them elsewhere? In 1919, Orsic claimed to receive telepathic tranmissions, which originated from Aldebaran in the constellation Taurus. The transmissions resulted in two piles of papers, one in a secret German Templar script and a second unknown language, which turned out to be Sumerian. The papers were detailed plans for a flying machine. By 1922, the flying machine project, funded by the Thule and Vril Societies, began assembling parts manufactured for them by independent industry sources.
By early 1944, Orsic and Sigrun, the Vril mediums received information on inhabitable planets around Aldebaran and discussions ensued about a possible trip. These discussions included the highest levels of the Third Reich. The decision was made for a test flight of a Vril 7 through a "dimension channel", which rumor has as barely averting disaster. Did Maria Orsic and the Vril Society make it or crash and burn? Is it myth or is there something more? A nice ten minute video primer of the occult background and progression of the Vril flying machine is linked here.
http://cyber-space-war.blogspot.com/2010/12/did-vril-society-depart-for-aldebaran.html
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The Vril Discs
Series 1-11
(1941-1945)
The Vril motto “Not all good comes from above” summarizes the entire history of the Vril Gesellschaft (Society) from its inception to the final days of WW2 when this occult group seemed to vanish right off the face of the earth.
The name Vril is the shortening of “VRI-IL” which means “Like God”. Officially Vril was “The All German Society for Metaphysics” which merged with the Thule Gesellschaft and the obscure DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) in the year 1919.
The DHvSS (1912) worshipped the German mountain goddess Isias and the Schwarz Stein (black stone). The Thule Gesellschaft (1917) believed in the hollow earth theory and derived its name from Ultima Thule the ancient capital of Hyperborea at the top of the world. Vril worshipped the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which supposedly gave or generated incredible power and communicated with Aryan aliens living in the Aldebaran system through psychic channeling.
Confused by the strange language and mental images she was receiving through psychic channeling, Maria Orsic of Thule joined with the Vril Gesellschaft which brought in another psychic medium named Sigrun to help translate the alien language (which turned out to be ancient Sumerian) and decipher the strange mental images of a circular flight machine for making contact.
Sigrun was not the Vril medium’s true name but is derived from Sigrune - one of the nine daughters of Odin and a Valkyrie.
So this is where the Vril disc story begins ...
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm
(note - this one has plenty of photos if you follow the link)
"The “Future Plan” was for the Third Reich to survive outside of Europe and re-emerge in the far future from either another location on earth or from the stars if a Raumschiff could be constructed in time before the collapse."
Hmmmm.
No "thank you" from LS on my post on Maria and Sigrun from the Vril would suggest we need to dig deeper ...
I thought the 2nd link was quite informative ... but there must be something else we need to know.
davyj0nes
17th May 2011, 15:54
i think some definitions are in order to clear up confusion, and too help move the discussion forward.
Aryan, in this discussion, is referring to a race of E.T's who came to Earth a long time ago and genetically manipulated early man. If it is more comfortable, you can use Annunaki instead. I'm sure it is difficult for most to dissociate the word 'Aryan' from Hitler and his atrocities.
Aldebaran is an actual star in space. it is quite old and looks to be ready to collapse.
'White' or the Caucasian people are not strictly fair skinned. 'White' peoples come in many colors from the fair skinned Nordics to the southern Mediterranean, all the way to the middle eastern.
Please feel free to add your definitions. I feel this story needs to be told, needs to be discussed.
Mostafa
17th May 2011, 16:33
Did this version of Aryans also settled southwest of Iran? (Ilam) did they settle at all?
update: in Iranian societies within Iran there's tribal folks one of which is called Bakhtiari (I am one) we settled southwest of Iran along the mountains of Zagros. we know ourselves to be the only true descendents of the Aryans from Persia.
On the "brighter side" we do have a "thank you endorsement" from LS that we are, in fact, talking about the Aryans.
So who do you think is piloting that ''comet'' that we are awaiting?
Well ... autopilot guess would be connecting the nuggets regarding the Aryans???
I am going to bump a couple *very* interesting Anunnaki related posts from another thread over here.
NSA is not here to stay..
They are a bunch of little kids playing in a kiddy pool, they have no idea who or what they are up against..
Even those UFO's and inter-dimensional beings are kids playing in a kiddy pool..
There is something much bigger coming to the current tyrants of mother Earth.
Watch, listen and learn.......
They are not far away now, I have the feeling their scouts are here assessing the situation already.
My Lord, Please spill the nuggets. Who is not far away? what is the plan?
Those who are the same as Enki.
The aryans.
Let us then collect some other nuggets so we may proceed.
LS from Anunnaki thread:
Enlil is yahweh/jehovah.
That being the case, Enki is satan.
Remembering that satan means the adversary.
From the NSA Who is Watching the Watchers thread:
Sitchin and others put forward the idea that Enki created the 'god' system, and moved it into the monotheistic state for all humans....and then Enlil took it over and made it the evil thing that it is today.
So this makes Satan the nice guy.?..!!
Who told you he was bad?
The followers of jehovah?
Okay ... laying the base for continuing the nugget hunt:
1. Enki faction of Aryans are close and heading this way.
2. Suspend your prior beliefs because it could be they are not "hostile" to humans.
3, They (along with Enlil faction) are at the roots of our human heritage.
Pending loose end nuggets:
1. Arkaim and Tocharians.
2. Vril channelers.
Hope I got this all correct m'lord.
On with the nugget hunt ...
Lord Sidious
17th May 2011, 17:01
i think some definitions are in order to clear up confusion, and too help move the discussion forward.
Aryan, in this discussion, is referring to a race of E.T's who came to Earth a long time ago and genetically manipulated early man. If it is more comfortable, you can use Annunaki instead. I'm sure it is difficult for most to dissociate the word 'Aryan' from Hitler and his atrocities.
Aldebaran is an actual star in space. it is quite old and looks to be ready to collapse.
'White' or the Caucasian people are not strictly fair skinned. 'White' peoples come in many colors from the fair skinned Nordics to the southern Mediterranean, all the way to the middle eastern.
Please feel free to add your definitions. I feel this story needs to be told, needs to be discussed.
That is a seperate part although connected to this and I think you might find Hitler to be different to what you think now.
There is much to be told in that too.
Some will shock you, some might not.
Did this version of Aryans also settled southwest of Iran? (Ilam) did they settle at all?
update: in Iranian societies within Iran there's tribal folks one of which is called Bakhtiari (I am one) we settled southwest of Iran along the mountains of Zagros. we know ourselves to be the only true descendents of the Aryans from Persia.
I think you must be speaking of the remnants of the Bactrians who were not only aryan descendants but were connected to Alexander the Great as well.
Here is a short lesson on the life of Alexander from Iron Maiden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTEQf1d9Iw
Here is a short lesson on the life of Alexander from Iron Maiden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTEQf1d9Iw
Man I wish I woulda had you for a high school teacher.
:dance3: :rap: :dance3:
Jendayi
17th May 2011, 17:33
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
Wow ... a "storm trooper" that can rock ... just doesn't get any better than that!!!
Nice to see you here Jendayi Knight :laser:
majapahit
17th May 2011, 17:48
with this thread evolving from extra terrestrial colonization to the mythical 'aryan' roots of white man, with or without swarthy beards
dreaming up flying saucers may be 1 thing
being an arian uberrace with a license to kill,
a root of certain evil,
something quite another
on top of that
it appears that said mythology dictates an aryan aptitude of burning down one owns nest, land, country, and finally their own planet(s)
(it appears these idiots seem to have done so several time over)
besides of their neighbours
rather undesired role modeling I suggest
and an inherent want of servitude to money changers, gold diggers and warmongering (white) zionists and/or nazi's
all this comparable and akin to the worst of Hessian garbage,
as noted in white history
so I suggest
when such arian nation finally comes forward from their latest raping of earth women for genetic experiment,
in collusion with greys and what have u not
from their cowardly cloaked but very superior flying machines
because of cowardice, warmongering, rape, racism, servility to Agenda's of suicidal garbage, racketeering with a criminal cabal, theft, arson & major war crimes
consider
with one foot on terra
their giant step
their path to the land (and I suggest: again) of lemmmgs
we treat these degenerate & undesirable terrorists,
immediately with a bullet above their left eye
what we need is power generators, running on water
(the Japanese appear to have/had one
Stan Myers had one, 'arkanzised' by said cabal)
.. that's all
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Back to what I'm sure will be a thoroughly interesting topic...
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
I personally look to some of the earliest tablet images as portraying the Annunaki (I guess from Sitchin's approach) and they don't look like blond Celts or Western European whites to me. More big boned, dark curly haired and swarthy.
The gods who gave sanskrit to the local were described the same as gods all around the planet, large, white, blonde with blue eyes.
No idea why this is so offensive to some, I never wrote it, this is thousands of years old.
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
For all I know, they could be another ''ethnicity'' within the aryans that are the progenitors of the greeks, italians, spanish and the other latins and the persians too.
.
I have heard history shows Greeks were originally Blonde with blue eyes,
but some where along the line of time i ended up with black hair/brown eyes:p
oh, this will be my last post on this subject
:stop:
Ya know ... there are some wonderful herbs that enhance memory :nerd:
You have made your point(s) quite clearly. :rant:
Why not stand down so you can continue to make your points in the future??? :sad:
davyj0nes
17th May 2011, 18:25
we treat these degenerate & undesirable terrorists, immediately with a bullet above their left eye
war/fighting is not answer. It would be a futile endeavor to fight against an advanced alien armada. if that is what you are calling for, perhaps i got it wrong. :noidea:
Lord Sidious
17th May 2011, 18:34
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
1000 apologies nugget, I must have missed it.
I am still working out the back end part.
Setting up the ability to broadcast is easy.
Just working on a way to store the archives for download.
Once I do that, I will figure out what format I want to use.
I will have to prerecord it, my net isn't reliable enough to go out live at this stage.
I may even have others do their own shows too.
Dunno yet.
I would prefer people to do shows that are either discussion or lesson type in their format.
Musical breaks is ok, but music shows isn't an area I would want to cover.
Gonna be some Ofra Haza on my show, let me tell ya!
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Back to what I'm sure will be a thoroughly interesting topic...
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
I personally look to some of the earliest tablet images as portraying the Annunaki (I guess from Sitchin's approach) and they don't look like blond Celts or Western European whites to me. More big boned, dark curly haired and swarthy.
The gods who gave sanskrit to the local were described the same as gods all around the planet, large, white, blonde with blue eyes.
No idea why this is so offensive to some, I never wrote it, this is thousands of years old.
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
For all I know, they could be another ''ethnicity'' within the aryans that are the progenitors of the greeks, italians, spanish and the other latins and the persians too.
.
I have heard history shows Greeks were originally Blonde with blue eyes,
but some where along the line of time i ended up with black hair/brown eyes:p
I have heard that too, but never really worried about it too much.
What is, is.
You are what you are and you can't change it, even if that is something you wanted to do.
Remember, every ethnic group has their own attributes.
That is the type of diversity I like, we are all the same, but all different.
There are those who would be described as white supremacists who would worry.
At the end of the life of our body, we seperate from it, does this mean anything then?
Jendayi
17th May 2011, 18:40
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
1000 apologies nugget, I must have missed it.
I am still working out the back end part.
Setting up the ability to broadcast is easy.
Just working on a way to store the archives for download.
Once I do that, I will figure out what format I want to use.
I will have to prerecord it, my net isn't reliable enough to go out live at this stage.
I may even have others do their own shows too.
Dunno yet.
I would prefer people to do shows that are either discussion or lesson type in their format.
Musical breaks is ok, but music shows isn't an area I would want to cover.
Gonna be some Ofra Haza on my show, let me tell ya!
i was not talking about a music program sid... ;-)
i have a lot of media experience, both on camera and radio..
among topics i would discuss are:
- Metaphysics
- shamanism
- sacred geometry and vibrational healing
- True history..
- the "freeman" position
- Tantric Sexuality and the healing of sexual imbalances (my specialty!)
- the "Dark side" and how to deal with it... (no battling of the dark side mind you, I am a force wielder, remember?) ;)
- taking down hierarchies (i just know you'll love that!!)
- maybe play 1 or 2 healing tunes per hour?
and many more...
again.. let me know!
Jendayi
17th May 2011, 18:48
p.s.
i was born a white guy.. spent my first year of life in Iran, spent another 6 yrs in Nigeria, ended up in libya.., reagan bombed the place.. since then living in holland..
i have a white skin.. but my heart has many colors!
Seikou-Kishi
17th May 2011, 18:53
That's funny Jendayi, because on the outside I look white, but my heart is jet black *devil's grin* haha
Lord Sidious
17th May 2011, 18:54
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
1000 apologies nugget, I must have missed it.
I am still working out the back end part.
Setting up the ability to broadcast is easy.
Just working on a way to store the archives for download.
Once I do that, I will figure out what format I want to use.
I will have to prerecord it, my net isn't reliable enough to go out live at this stage.
I may even have others do their own shows too.
Dunno yet.
I would prefer people to do shows that are either discussion or lesson type in their format.
Musical breaks is ok, but music shows isn't an area I would want to cover.
Gonna be some Ofra Haza on my show, let me tell ya!
i was not talking about a music program sid... ;-)
i have a lot of media experience, both on camera and radio..
among topics i would discuss are:
- Metaphysics
- shamanism
- sacred geometry and vibrational healing
- True history..
- the "freeman" position
- Tantric Sexuality and the healing of sexual imbalances (my specialty!)
- the "Dark side" and how to deal with it... (no battling of the dark side mind you, I am a force wielder, remember?) ;)
- taking down hierarchies (i just know you'll love that!!)
- maybe play 1 or 2 healing tunes per hour?
and many more...
again.. let me know!
Ok, that sounds good, I can see a show like that fitting in.
I would like to listen in to that myself.
I suppose we should stop derailing this thread though.
That's funny Jendayi, because on the outside I look white, but my heart is jet black *devil's grin* haha
If all you ever did was put me onto Ofra, I would still say that you are not what you say.
Trust me on this, I have had and still have a lot of enjoyment from her work and I would not have had that, if you had not posted kaddish.
The celt in me loves to hear music, everything from metal, to folk, ethnic, some pop, classical and other stuff too.
Middle eastern music is something I always loved, the oud is magic to me.
Even though I know you were joking around, I feel moved to put this up for everyone else to read, just as much as for you.
You don't have a black heart. :bs:
http://calitreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/citizen-kane-clapping-gif.gif
p.s.
i was born a white guy.. spent my first year of life in Iran, spent another 6 yrs in Nigeria, ended up in libya.., reagan bombed the place.. since then living in holland..
i have a white skin.. but my heart has many colors!
But the predominant color of your heart (as well a m'lord for those who have the eyes to see) is pure gold.
Both of you put yourself on the line for those in need on a daily basis and we as a forum are extraordinarily blessed to have you here.
:first: (it's a tie) :clap2:
Jendayi
17th May 2011, 18:59
right you are!!!
:focus:
J4rj94Zcu_U
There is some good stuff on that page, mixed in with a lot of junk.
I will probably have to cover this type of thing on my radio show.
It appears that I will have my own stand alone show, as things stand right now.
hey sid... need any help with your show? mentioned it before.. but never got a reply....
the offer still stands!
let me know...
1000 apologies nugget, I must have missed it.
I am still working out the back end part.
Setting up the ability to broadcast is easy.
Just working on a way to store the archives for download.
Once I do that, I will figure out what format I want to use.
I will have to prerecord it, my net isn't reliable enough to go out live at this stage.
I may even have others do their own shows too.
Dunno yet.
I would prefer people to do shows that are either discussion or lesson type in their format.
Musical breaks is ok, but music shows isn't an area I would want to cover.
Gonna be some Ofra Haza on my show, let me tell ya!
Excellent questions all.
I would suspect that those called aryans are from a world in orbit of aldeberan.
Back to what I'm sure will be a thoroughly interesting topic...
Do you yourself feel comfortable with the Aldebarans = Aryan = Annunaki idea?
I personally look to some of the earliest tablet images as portraying the Annunaki (I guess from Sitchin's approach) and they don't look like blond Celts or Western European whites to me. More big boned, dark curly haired and swarthy.
The gods who gave sanskrit to the local were described the same as gods all around the planet, large, white, blonde with blue eyes.
No idea why this is so offensive to some, I never wrote it, this is thousands of years old.
So who are those in the tablet pictures from Sitchin's books? They look dark haired, bearded don't they?
I know. Say white and gods or rulers in the same post and the political correctness police show up. Hard to have an academic discussion aimed at education. IMHO history has been so incredibly twisted that it is important to dig and discuss - and duck. Unfortunately facts annoy those with strong opinions.
For all I know, they could be another ''ethnicity'' within the aryans that are the progenitors of the greeks, italians, spanish and the other latins and the persians too.
.
I have heard history shows Greeks were originally Blonde with blue eyes,
but some where along the line of time i ended up with black hair/brown eyes:p
I have heard that too, but never really worried about it too much.
What is, is.
You are what you are and you can't change it, even if that is something you wanted to do.
Remember, every ethnic group has their own attributes.
That is the type of diversity I like, we are all the same, but all different.
There are those who would be described as white supremacists who would worry.
At the end of the life of our body, we seperate from it, does this mean anything then?
Agree totally, Was just throwing it out there for you to get back on topic nugget :)
Seemed to have worked to. lol
Mostafa
18th May 2011, 04:31
Did this version of Aryans also settled southwest of Iran? (Ilam) did they settle at all?
update: in Iranian societies within Iran there's tribal folks one of which is called Bakhtiari (I am one) we settled southwest of Iran along the mountains of Zagros. we know ourselves to be the only true descendents of the Aryans from Persia.
I think you must be speaking of the remnants of the Bactrians who were not only aryan descendants but were connected to Alexander the Great as well.
Here is a short lesson on the life of Alexander from Iron Maiden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTEQf1d9Iw[/QUOTE]
LS thanks for the vid:)
Bactria consisted of Persian states of Uzbekistan, Afghanestan and Tajikistan in the Central Asia back in the day. In Avestan language Bactria which is written like this: باختر means north and as I said it refers to the states in north and northeast of today's Iran. But the Bakhtiari were settled in southwest and I'm not sure if there's any link between the two. Bakhtiaris are a subdivisions of the Lor folks. And of course Bakhtiari being the only descendents of the Aryans is incorrect, I was just expressing my tribal pride:P
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I tried to quote you LS but I don't know what I just did!
Andrew
18th May 2011, 15:15
The Ayrans seem to of gotten around a lot. Is there a connection with the Vedas?
Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 15:32
The Ayrans seem to of gotten around a lot. Is there a connection with the Vedas?
Read em and tell me.
There are all sorts of stories of fantastic goings on.
Onward we go. Let us take another look at one of the two channelers ... Maria Orsic. Someone suggested a theory of Atlantis actually being offworld. Not sure I subscribe to that but found this interesting reference to Atlanteans here:
Maria Orsic and the Vril Society
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Maria Orsic, from Zagreb, is the most famous medium in the Balkans and along with Sigrun and Traute, she is one of the Vril Chefin(bosses).
The Vril Society was founded as "The All German Society for Metaphysics" to explore the origins of the Aryan race. It was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Maria Orsitsch (Orsic) of Zagreb, who received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Tauri, in the Aldebaran system.
Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was formed from the ancient Sumerian word Vri-Il ("like god").
The Society teaches concentration exercises designed to awaken the forces of Vril, and their main goal was to achieve Raumflug (Spaceflight) to reach Aldebaran. To achieve this, the Vril Society joined the Thule Gesellschaftand DHvSS (Men of the Black Stone) to fund an ambitious program involving an inter-dimensional flight machine based on psychic revelations from the Aldebaran aliens.
Dr Wolfram von Wartenburg believes Maria us communication with Atlanteans - The Builders - who have gone to Aldebaran.
The Vril Gesellschaft (Society) - motto: “Not all good comes from above” - works within The Thule Society, and practices techniques suggested in Vril: The Power of the Coming Race, by Edward Bulwer-Lytton.
The Vril Chefin are psychic mediums who wear a horse-tail hairstyle, believing that their long hair acts as cosmic antennae to receive alien communication from beyond!
Members of the Vril Society are said to include Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Göring, and Hitler's personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell.
With Hitler in power in 1933, both Thule and Vril Gesellschafts received official state backing for continued disc development programs aimed at both spaceflight and possibly a war machine.
The Vril Society worships the Black Sun (the invisible inner light of the Godhead) which gives or generates incredible power and communicates with Aryan aliens through psychic channeling.
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http://hollowearthexpedition.pbworks.com/w/page/18795122/Maria-Orsic
*** adding from another site ***
Near the end the last words heard from her was that "No one is staying here" ... and that was the last the Vril were seen or heard from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcEnOJvzaA&feature=related
*** adding again ***
Lots more interesting stuff at the link below but don't want to overlap too much ... yet could not resist this for m'lord
:laser:
Vril, The Power of the Coming Race
Vril, The Power of the Coming Race was an early science fiction novel written by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, a British novelist. The book is the story of a mining engineer who accidently discovers a subterranean world inhabited by superior humanoid beings, who call themselves the Vril-ya. The Vril-ya are said to be "descended from the same ancestors as the great Aryan family", and reside in underground caverns connected by tunnels, where they build their advanced, technologically-enabled utopian civilization. Their mastery of an energy source known as "Vril" (which appears to be in many ways similar to The Force from Star Wars), gives them amazing psychic powers and is the foundation of Vril-ya society. Vril can be mastered by a host through mental training, and acts as a universal constructive and destructive agent. Eventually, the Vril-ya will run out of subterranean space and invade the surface world, subjugating humanity in the process.
http://conspiracytheories.lcc.gatech.edu/index.php/Vril_Society_Conspiracy
Andrew
18th May 2011, 16:14
Hess found unnerving to watch Maria Orsic’s eyeballs rolling back and showing only whites, and to see her slumping backward in her chair, mouth agape. However Sebottendorff smiled in satisfaction as the voice of Eckart started coming out of the medium. Eckart announced that he was obliged to let someone else’s voice come through, with an important message. A weird voice then identified itself as “the Sumi, dwellers of a distant world, which orbits the star Aldebaran in the constellation you call Taurus the Bull”. Hess and Schulte-Strathaus blinked at each other in surprise. According to the voice, the Sumi were an humanoid race who had briefly colonized Earth 500 million years ago. The ruins of ancient Larsa, Shurrupak and Nippur in Iraq had been built by them. Those of them who survived the great flood of Ut-napishtim (the Deluge of Noah’s Ark) had become the ancestors of the Aryan race. Sebottendorff remained skeptical and asked for proof. While Maria was still in a trance, she scribbled several lines of queer-looking marks. Those marks turned out to be ancient Summerian characters, the language of the founders of the oldest Babylonian culture.
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/maria-orsic-and-the-vril-society/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHJz-xPopU
davyj0nes
18th May 2011, 16:19
Members of the Vril Society are said to include Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Heinrich Himmler, Hermann Göring, and Hitler's personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell.
woa, does that mean hitler was psychic? if so it might explain how he was able to 'control' or at least 'sway' so many people and stay one step ahead of tom cruise. <<<< hehehe movie reference
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after watching the video it seems the vril society did not have dark intentions; at least not initially.
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i just realized now, why the gods wear bull horns. they're telling you they are from aldebaran, in the taurus constellation.
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/maria-orsic-and-the-vril-society/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHJz-xPopU
Excellent video Andrew :thumb:
Many people don't like to wade through a lot of text and that one brought out many points of interest :clap2:
davyj0nes
18th May 2011, 17:37
So, i guess the next step would be to attempt psychic communication with aldebaran.
So, i guess the next step would be to attempt psychic communication with aldebaran.
or else get a good pair of military grade night vision goggles :painkiller:
At this point ... seriously ... not looking for "saviours" ... but how much worse can it be than under the nitwit ptb/w???
:attention:
I would hazard to guess that "they" don't want to blow the planet to bits like ... well ... you know.
:welcome:
Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 18:00
So, i guess the next step would be to attempt psychic communication with aldebaran.
Why not wait and speak to them when they arrive?
Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 18:12
Hess found unnerving to watch Maria Orsic’s eyeballs rolling back and showing only whites, and to see her slumping backward in her chair, mouth agape. However Sebottendorff smiled in satisfaction as the voice of Eckart started coming out of the medium. Eckart announced that he was obliged to let someone else’s voice come through, with an important message. A weird voice then identified itself as “the Sumi, dwellers of a distant world, which orbits the star Aldebaran in the constellation you call Taurus the Bull”. Hess and Schulte-Strathaus blinked at each other in surprise. According to the voice, the Sumi were an humanoid race who had briefly colonized Earth 500 million years ago. The ruins of ancient Larsa, Shurrupak and Nippur in Iraq had been built by them. Those of them who survived the great flood of Ut-napishtim (the Deluge of Noah’s Ark) had become the ancestors of the Aryan race. Sebottendorff remained skeptical and asked for proof. While Maria was still in a trance, she scribbled several lines of queer-looking marks. Those marks turned out to be ancient Summerian characters, the language of the founders of the oldest Babylonian culture.
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/04/maria-orsic-and-the-vril-society/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHJz-xPopU
Excellent video and backs up some of the things I was already sharing with you.
Pity the guy mispronounces so many things, but good none the less.
The last part about the rockefeller foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.
Hint, hint.
The last part about the rockefeller foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.
Hint, hint.
We just :luv: love :luv: those nuggets and hints :gossip:
davyj0nes
18th May 2011, 22:07
Why not wait and speak to them when they arrive?
Well i guess i could watch out for tall white guys speaking ancient sumerian. I think just same, i'll attempt a communication with aldebaran.
Andrew
18th May 2011, 22:57
http://www.greatdreams.com/solar/swastika3.jpg
LOL - while doing some research on google I found ... *this thread* :)
Has white man colonised planet Earth?6 posts - 3 authors
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2...-vril-society/ .... The last part about the rockefeller foundation should set off some alarm ...
projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man...- Block all projectavalon.net results
The last part about the rockefeller foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.
Hint, hint.
But these exist in America, and in large numbers. For around the same time the Americans recorded quite a number of crashes that could not be kept entirely secret. More of that later. Back to the political arena. Apart from the fact that I.G. Farben supported Hitler, their cartel partner Standard Oil (Rockefeller) fanned the flames against the Nazis. The Ford Motor Company for instance helped to build up the American army while at the same time producing in Germany military vehicles for the Nazis. Ford and Opel (subsidiary of General Motors that is controlled by J.P. Morgan) were the two largest producers of tanks in Hitler’s Germany.
Whatever the outcome of the war, these multinational companies had already made their cuts. Many enterprises followed this principle during the Second World War.
• Why is there nothing about all this in schoolbooks or encyclopaedias?
• Especially in Germany where the freedom of the press is apparently honored and the truth is taught?
One of the reasons is that the Rockefeller Foundation spent US$ 139,000 in 1946 to present an official history of the Second World War which covered up the whole story of the U.S. bankers building up the Nazi regime as well as the occult and mystical background of the Nazis. One of the main sponsors was Rockefeller’s own Standard Oil Corp.
Taken from site below which goes into great detail about a number of things (no idea how accurate):
Vril Power and the Vril Gesellschaft
Posted: May 2, 2009 by Wes Penre in Battle of Armageddon, Occultism and Mysticism, Science and Technology, Secret Societies, War in Heaven
Tags: albebaran, aryan race, jan van helsing, sirius, vril 8, vril generator, vril machine, vril power, vril society
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by Jan van Helsing, excerpt from his book, “Secret Societies and Their Power in the 20th Century, Chapters 32-33, 1995
Published here: Saturday May 2, 2009 at 11:14 AM
CHAPTER 32
ADOLF SCHICKLGRUBER AND THE ‘THULE-GESELLSCHAFT’
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/vril-power-and-the-vril-gesellschaft/
davyj0nes
19th May 2011, 03:12
The last part about the rockefeller' foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.Hint, hint.
The rockefeller's are general ne'er-do-wells, but what should we take away from the last part?
Are we trying to say that the rockefeller's have the 'ark'??
or
is in league with enlil/stranded aryan/annunaki??
or
that the rockefeller's are not human??
An interesting question, however, is why would the rockefeller's spend so much money covering up esoteric angle to the WW2. The only reason i can think of, is that they are in possession of a 'mythical/mystical/magic' artifact previously owned by the nazi party. Which leads me back to 'ark' and the economic prosperity that followed USA after WW2. Or, maybe, they don't want anyone else communicating or knowing about other alien species. Which would mean that the alien coverup is at the direction of rockefeller.
Oh, look at what committees the great grandson of John D Rockefeller is on;
Rockefeller serves on the following committees in the 111th Congress: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller)
Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation (Chairman)
Committee on Finance
Subcommittee on Health Care (Chairman)
Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness
Subcommittee on Social Security, Pensions, and Family Policy
Select Committee on Intelligence
Committee on Veterans' Affairs
Joint Committee on Taxation
It should be noted that Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence) appropriates funds for the black budget.
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 03:38
They have a reason they don't want anyone researching the NSDAP and what it was about.
The question is, what is that reason?
This just *has* to be on the right track ... "Calvin ... Minds in the Making" :humble:
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/fibel.htm
Background: The Nazis had a large corps of propagandists at the local level, who needed training. Some of the best material for such propagandists comes from the Austrian part of the Reich, perhaps because propagandists there needed to be trained rather quickly after Hitler took over Austria in 1938. In any event, this is a translation of a small book published in 1942 that told propagandists what they needed to know. It was intended primarily for local group propaganda leaders, but notes that it will also be useful for anyone engaged in making party propaganda. It provides a detailed summary of what the Nazi propaganda system expected to happen at the local level, though as this book sometimes notes in passing, things did not always work as they were supposed to.
As background, the Reichspropagandaleitung was the Nazi Party’s central propaganda office. The country was then divided into Gaue, or regions. They were divided into counties (Kreise), which were further divided into local groups (Ortsgruppen). There were propagandists at each level.
The source: Franz J. Huber, ed., Propagandisten-Fibel. Herausgegeben vom Gaupropagandaamt Oberdonau der NSDAP (Wels: Leitner & Co, 1942).
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A Propaganda Primer
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This handbook for propagandists was prepared by the follow officials of the Gaupropagandaamt [Gau propaganda office] Oberdonau of the NSDAP: Leo Bauer, Robert Gessner, Ferri Hietler, Friedrich Koch, Walther Streitfeld, Karl Struckl, and Herbert A. Zieband. It was put together by Dr. Franz H. Huber.
This book is not available in bookstores, rather exclusively at offices of the NSDAP.
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Reichspropagandaleiter Dr. Goebbels:
“Propaganda has no principles of its own. It has only one goal, and in politics that goal is always to conquer the masses. Any means to that end is good. and any means that does not serve that end is bad.”
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Gauleiter August Eigruber:
The propagandist never asks “Why?” He needs no justification, but rather only this granite faith: “I believe in the Führer, I believe in the Reich, and I believe in victory!”
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Table of Contents
Words from the Reichspropagandaleiter
Words from the Gauleiter
I. General
II. The local group propaganda leader as active propagandist
The display case
Posters
Leaflets
Banner campaigns
NSDAP public meetings (See III)
Major events
Slide shows
Exhibitions
Face-to-face propaganda
Caring for soldiers and the wounded
III. Public meetings of the NSDAP
Preparation and organization
Advertising
Decorating the meeting hall
Caring for speakers
Course of a meeting
Evaluating meetings
Is your meeting successful?
Examples of decorating meeting rooms
IV. The local group ring
Coordinating propagandists
Coordinating propaganda actions
Coordinating propaganda resources
Merchandise
V. Cultural work in the local group
General
Ceremonies and events
Visual arts
Music
Literature
Theater
Popular culture
VI. Film in propaganda work
Preparing for a film showing
Propaganda
Carrying out a film showing
After the showing is finished
Summary
Suggestions for the newsreel
Ten commandments for the local film leader
VII. Radio and local propaganda
Reception in restaurants
Community radio
Mass meetings
Caring for soldiers
The radio trade
Program evaluation
The Dr. Goebbels Radio Fund
Program contributions
Foreign stations
VIII. The Reich Federation for Damage Prevention
IX. Conclusion by Gaupropagandaleiter Rudolf Irkowsky
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I. General
This little booklet brings together the most important tasks of the propagandist. It is primarily intended to guide the activity of the Ortsgruppenpropagandaleiter of the NSDAP [local group propaganda leader], but with appropriate allowances it is also useful for the work of all other propagandists of the movement, no matter what position they may hold in the party’s divisions or affiliated organizations. Their task is to thoroughly present the entire German people with the National Socialist worldview, and to explain to them the achievements of the leadership of the party and state. The tremendous significance of this task has been proved by the war, in which the work of propagandists is critical for general morale and thereby for the spiritual powers of resistance of the German people. Obviously, effective propaganda is possibly only when it is unified. Only unified slogans spread by a tightly organized organization explain the power of National Socialism’s ideas during the struggle for power, which won over millions of the German people, until first the majority, then the entire population, supported Adolf Hitler. The tested methods of propaganda and all the related areas that influence general morale and make it possible to lead people were therefore maintained after the takeover of power.
The whole propaganda of the NSDAP and its divisions and affiliated organizations, is in the hands of the Reichspropagandaleiter [Goebbels]. He determines their propaganda activities. The most important areas relevant to this task are “active propaganda,” culture, film, radio, and finally cooperation with all divisions, clubs, and other relevant organizations, which are organized into the so-called Reich Ring (Gauring, Kreisring, Ortsring). There are also other particular areas, such as press propaganda, which must maintain contact with the NSDAP press apparatus, the Reich Federation for Damage Prevention, and other groups that in most cases function only at the Reich or Gau level.
This system corresponds to the various areas of the movement’s propagandists, who are in direct contact with the population, in particular the local group propaganda leader of the NSDAP. His subordinates include the heads of various departments — although they often exist only on paper, given personnel shortages — and he is responsible for the overall conduct of propaganda within his area. The entire propaganda of the NSDAP, its divisions and affiliated organizations, is under his authority. He is also responsible for the propaganda work of all other offices within his area, and is responsible for ensuring their unified cooperation. The local propaganda ring assists him in this task.
The Organisationsbuch der NSDAP[the party organization handbook] provides little information on the ways and means with which the propaganda leader is to carry out his responsibilities. Ordinarily, he will receive detailed guidelines from above for particular campaigns. However, in the future, as in the past during the domestic struggle, the first rule for each propagandist will be to use his own initiative. The propagandist in the local group is the one nearest to the people. He has the most direct contact with the manifold changes in the moods and attitudes of the various circles within the population. He sees with his own eyes and hears with his own ears what party members and citizens think of actions by the leadership of the party and state. He knows the personal influence he has, and can constantly check the impact he is having and find better ways to carry out his duties.
We now turn to the most important tasks of the local group propaganda leader. We will not provide dry and barren rules, but rather lively and understandable answers to the questions the propagandist faces in his daily work.
The local group propaganda leader as active propagandist
Other areas of propaganda, for example film, radio, etc., are rather precisely defined by their nature. The area of “active propaganda” is essentially unbounded. In general, one cannot exhaust the scope of propaganda in a barren plan. That is even less possible with active propaganda. It includes all methods of influencing the population, in as far as they are not covered by particular areas like the press, radio, etc. Your most important method of propaganda is probably the spoken word in mass meetings, meetings, cell evenings, and not least, face-to-face propaganda. However, “active propaganda” also works with pictures, with the written word in any form that seems useful, with posters, leaflets, showcases, etc. The following points give an overview of the most important parts of the varied work of an active propagandist in the local group, which will probably fall into the personal responsibility of the local group propaganda leader just about everywhere.
1. Showcases
Each local group has showcases and bulletin boards for the NSDAP, its divisions and affiliated organizations, and of other clubs and bodies. These showcases are a mirror of the local group. If all the showcases are in order, one can be almost certain that the overall state of the local group is good. The local group propaganda leader is not responsible only for the party’s showcases, but also for those of all other offices. He must ensure that they look good, are up-to-date, and are consistent with National Socialist thinking. Only a good and constantly updated showcase fulfills its task. A bad showcase not only does no good, but is harmful. The local group propaganda leader should note bad showcases, or those of divisions, organizations and clubs that are not maintained at all. If several warnings do not result in improvements, he should either use them for another purpose, or have them removed altogether.
All the showcases and announcement boards that belong to the NSDAP are under the direct supervision of the Ortsgruppenleiter, and must be exemplary. Fresh material is regularly available for this purpose:
The “Picture of the Week” consists of four current pictures with a common theme. Each local group gets it weekly.
Each local group subscribes to the “Slogan of the Week.” It can either be posted as a whole, or put in a showcase, appropriately cut into sections.
The “Quotation of the Week” provides a quotation from a leading German in elegant form. It provides a good focus for a showcase, and can be supplemented with pictures.
Periodically, particularly for national occasions, local groups receive material from the showcase service of the Reichspropandaleitung or the Gau propaganda office, which naturally should be the center of showcases.
Beyond that, each enterprising propagandist can find his own material in the daily press and illustrated magazines to use in showcases, providing a personal note as well as variety. The local group itself usually subscribes to a useful major newspaper or illustrated magazine.
The material used in showcases must be used in an attractive way. Random clippings and pictures may not be posted in a jumble, but rather everything must be organized and should have a clear theme. Less is usually better than more in this regard. It is best to have two or three items with a suitable background and appropriate text.
If one lacks the necessary talent in drawing and handwriting, he must get an assistant, who can usually be found without much difficulty in the ranks of the Hitler Youth.
(take link at top for much more)
They have a reason they don't want anyone researching the NSDAP and what it was about.
The question is, what is that reason?
Most obvious reason, I would suspect, making (more) people aware of the many aspects and usage of propaganda:
I. General
This little booklet brings together the most important tasks of the propagandist. It is primarily intended to guide the activity of the Ortsgruppenpropagandaleiter of the NSDAP [local group propaganda leader], but with appropriate allowances it is also useful for the work of all other propagandists of the movement, no matter what position they may hold in the party’s divisions or affiliated organizations. Their task is to thoroughly present the entire German people with the National Socialist worldview, and to explain to them the achievements of the leadership of the party and state. The tremendous significance of this task has been proved by the war, in which the work of propagandists is critical for general morale and thereby for the spiritual powers of resistance of the German people. Obviously, effective propaganda is possibly only when it is unified. Only unified slogans spread by a tightly organized organization explain the power of National Socialism’s ideas during the struggle for power, which won over millions of the German people, until first the majority, then the entire population, supported Adolf Hitler. The tested methods of propaganda and all the related areas that influence general morale and make it possible to lead people were therefore maintained after the takeover of power.
The whole propaganda of the NSDAP and its divisions and affiliated organizations, is in the hands of the Reichspropagandaleiter [Goebbels]. He determines their propaganda activities. The most important areas relevant to this task are “active propaganda,” culture, film, radio, and finally cooperation with all divisions, clubs, and other relevant organizations, which are organized into the so-called Reich Ring (Gauring, Kreisring, Ortsring). There are also other particular areas, such as press propaganda, which must maintain contact with the NSDAP press apparatus, the Reich Federation for Damage Prevention, and other groups that in most cases function only at the Reich or Gau level.
This system corresponds to the various areas of the movement’s propagandists, who are in direct contact with the population, in particular the local group propaganda leader of the NSDAP. His subordinates include the heads of various departments — although they often exist only on paper, given personnel shortages — and he is responsible for the overall conduct of propaganda within his area. The entire propaganda of the NSDAP, its divisions and affiliated organizations, is under his authority. He is also responsible for the propaganda work of all other offices within his area, and is responsible for ensuring their unified cooperation. The local propaganda ring assists him in this task.
The Organisationsbuch der NSDAP[the party organization handbook] provides little information on the ways and means with which the propaganda leader is to carry out his responsibilities. Ordinarily, he will receive detailed guidelines from above for particular campaigns. However, in the future, as in the past during the domestic struggle, the first rule for each propagandist will be to use his own initiative. The propagandist in the local group is the one nearest to the people. He has the most direct contact with the manifold changes in the moods and attitudes of the various circles within the population. He sees with his own eyes and hears with his own ears what party members and citizens think of actions by the leadership of the party and state. He knows the personal influence he has, and can constantly check the impact he is having and find better ways to carry out his duties.
We now turn to the most important tasks of the local group propaganda leader. We will not provide dry and barren rules, but rather lively and understandable answers to the questions the propagandist faces in his daily work.
*** more ***
VI. Film in propaganda work
The party’s propaganda today considers film as film as one of the most important methods, both in terms of its significance and effectiveness. Countless movie theatres keep the German leadership in touch with the people through newsreels, but also through educational and entertainment films. Consistent effort has made it possible to bring films even to citizens who live in an area that does not have a film theater. Especially there, films have particular importance. since these citizens rarely attend other events, theatrical productions, concerts, and speeches. Film also has a cultural task. The following four points should guide one’s work:
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 04:17
Nope, you are off the path now.
Okay ... back to work :cry:
davyj0nes
19th May 2011, 04:26
They have a reason they don't want anyone researching the NSDAP and what it was about. The question is, what is that reason?
the rockefeller's were NSDAP financiers, but i think there has to be more to it than that. everyone knows that the bush family helped hitler out also. so one reason is they didn't anyone to know, would be because they were profiting from war. hitler's financiers with pictures (http://geschichteinchronologie.ch/eu/3R/Hitlers-financiers-ENGL.html) I can't help think there's something missing.
They have a reason they don't want anyone researching the NSDAP and what it was about.
The question is, what is that reason?
"They" being a reference to Rockefeller Foundation?
Cannot review vid from Andrew at the moment (firewall) so will take a step back.
Definition for nsdap:
The National Socialist German Workers' Party (, abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party (from the Ger. pronunciation of Nationalsozialist), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. .... More »
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NsDAP Source
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 05:02
Nope, you are still missing it, even though you all have it in this thread.
Nope, you are still missing it, even though you all have it in this thread.
Thanks.
In the meanwhile here is more on NSDAP:
Programme of the NSDAP, 24 February 1920
The 25 points of the NSDAP Program were composed by Adolf Hitler and Anton Drexler. They were publically presented on 24 February 1920 "to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval." (Mein Kampf, Volume II, Chapter I) Hitler explained their purpose in the fifth chapter of the second volume of Mein Kampf:
[T]he program of the new movement was summed up in a few guiding principles, twenty-five in all. They were devised to give, primarily to the man of the people, a rough picture of the movement's aims. They are in a sense a political creed, which on the one hand recruits for the movement and on the other is suited to unite and weld together by a commonly recognized obligation those who have been recruited.
Hitler was intent on having a community of mutual interest that desired mutual success instead of one that was divided over the control of money or differing values.
THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF-INTEREST -
THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE PROGRAM. BREAKING OF THE THRALDOM OF INTEREST - THAT IS THE KERNEL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
In these straightforward statements of intent, Hitler translated his ideology into a plan of action which would prove its popularity with the German people throughout the coming years. For many, the abruptness of its departure from the tradition of politics as practiced in the western world was as much of a shock as its liberal nature and foresight of the emerging problems of western democracy.
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The Programme of the German Workers' Party is designed to be of limited duration. The leaders have no intention, once the aims announced in it have been achieved, of establishing fresh ones, merely in order to increase, artificially, the discontent of the masses and so ensure the continued existence of the Party.
1. We demand the union of all Germany in a Greater Germany on the basis of the right of national self-determination.
2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and the revocation of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain.
3. We demand land and territory (colonies) to feed our people and to settle our surplus population.
4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the State. Only those of German blood, whatever be their creed, may be members of the nation. Accordingly, no Jew may be a member of the nation.
5. Non-citizens may live in Germany only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens.
6. The right to vote on the State's government and legislation shall be enjoyed by the citizens of the State alone. We demand therefore that all official appointments, of whatever kind, whether in the Reich, in the states or in the smaller localities, shall be held by none but citizens.
We oppose the corrupting parliamentary custom of filling posts merely in accordance with party considerations, and without reference to character or abilities.
7. We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it should prove impossible to feed the entire population, foreign nationals (non-citizens) must be deported from the Reich.
8. All non-German immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who entered Germany after 2 August 1914 shall be required to leave the Reich forthwith.
9. All citizens shall have equal rights and duties.
10. It must be the first duty of every citizen to perform physical or mental work. The activities of the individual must not clash with the general interest, but must proceed within the framework of the community and be for the general good.
We demand therefore:
11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.
The breaking of the slavery of interest
12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.
17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *
18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.
19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.
20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education (with the aim of opening up to every able and hard-working German the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement). The curricula of all educational establishments must be brought into line with the requirements of practical life. The aim of the school must be to give the pupil, beginning with the first sign of intelligence, a grasp of the nation of the State (through the study of civic affairs). We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the State.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
22. We demand the abolition of the mercenary army and the foundation of a people's army.
23. We demand legal warfare on deliberate political mendacity and its dissemination in the press. To facilitate the creation of a German national press we demand:
(a) that all editors of, and contributors to newspapers appearing in the German language must be members of the nation;
(b) that no non-German newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be printed in the German language;
(c) that non-Germans shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing German newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspaper, and the immediate deportation of the non-Germans involved.
The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.
24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence not offend the moral feelings of the German race.
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not commit itself to any particular denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and without us, and is convinced that our nation can achieve permanent health only from within on the basis of the principle: The common interest before self-interest.
25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.
The leaders of the Party promise to work ruthlessly -- if need be to sacrifice their very lives -- to translate this programme into action.
* On April 13, 1928, Adolf Hitler clarified section seventeen in the programme in order to stop political mischaracterizations: "Because of the mendacious interpretations on the part of our opponents of Point 17 of the programme of the NSDAP, the following explanation is necessary.: Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/
We have a lot of info on here already.
Stuff about the swastika and it's origins and why the NSDAP flag is the colours it is.Check it out, you will probably be shocked.
http://flagspot.net/flags/de%7Dnsdap.html#int
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A red flag, in the center the golden Party Membership Insignia (Goldenes Ehrenzeichen) which consists of a black swastika in a white circular disk surrounded by a dark red ring with the inscription "National-Sozialistische D.A.P." in white, surrounded by a gold wreath. Ratio 6:7. Surrounded by a gold fringe (except at hoist).
Norman Martin, Feb 1998
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Shade of Red in the Swastika Flag
Norman Martin mentioned an interesting colour classification [Gau: bright red (Hellrot) with dark red (Dunkelrot) border]. According to it, what was the colour of the main field of Nazi flags - bright red or dark red?
António Martins, 10 Jun 2000
Certainly not dark red. The text of the Organisationsbuch distinguishes red, bright red and dark red. Dark red is clearly darker. Bright red and red are not far apart, but bright red seems a bit yellower to me. In any event the Organisationsbuch calls the color of the main field simply red.
Norman Martin, 11 Jun 2000
*** adding more from LS in another thread ***
Think about this, if you have that swastika/hakenkreuz/kolovrat/fylfot as a real object or flag, then from one side it is one way, the other side it is the other, no?
There was a piece of anglo-saxon treasure found at Sutton Hoo that is EXACTLY like the NSDAP one, same angle even in a circle, I am trying to find a pic now, but for obvious reasons, they don't show that so much.
*** adding more from the nugget trail ***
Origins of the Swastika Flag
Excerpted from Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, 1923:
The organization of our monitor troop clarified a very important question. Up till then the movement had no party insignia and no party flag. The absence of such symbols not only had momentary disadvantages, but was intolerable for the future (...) party comrades lacked any outward sign of their common bond (...) [Hitler then writes about how he attended a mass Marxist demonstration:] a sea of red flags, red scarves, and red flowers (...)
I have, in our movement, always upheld the standpoint that it is a true good fortune for the German nation to have lost the old flag (...) from the bottom of our hearts we should thank Fate for having been gracious enough to preserve the most glorious war flag of all time from being used as a bedsheet for the most shameful prostitution. The present-day Reich, which sells itself and its citizens, must never be permitted to fly the black, white and red flag of honour and heroes...
The question of the new flag —that is, its appearance— occupied us intensely in those days. From all sides came suggestions (...) the new flag had to be equally a symbol of our own struggle, since on the other hand it was expected also to be highly effective as a poster (...) an effective insignia can in hundreds of thousands of cases give the first impetus towards interest in a movement. For this reason we had to reject all suggestions of identifying our movement through a white flag with the old state (...) white is not a stirring colour. It is suitable for chaste virgins' clubs, but not for world-changing movements in a revolutionary epoch. [other assessments of various colours also]
I myself always came out for the retention of the old colours, not only because as a soldier they are to me the holiest thing I know (...) nevertheless, I was obliged to reject without exception the numerous designs which poured in (...) which for the most part had drawn the swastika into the old flag.
I myself, meanwhile, after innumerable attempts, had laid down a final form; a flag with a red background, a white disk, and a black swastika in the middle. After long trials I also found a definite proportion between the size of the flag and the size of the white disk, as well as the shape and thickness of the swastika.
And this remained final.
I have cut out a lot, but this whole passage makes interesting reading. It is pages 492-497 of the Houghton Mifflin edition, translated by Ralph Mannheim, 1971. I haven't seen the passage in Mein Kampf, but William Shirer in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich says the following:
He [Hitler] says that numerous designs suggested to him by party members invariably included a swastika and that a "dentist from Sternberg" actually delivered a design for a flag that "was not bad at all and quite close to my own."
David Cohen, 12 May 1998
According to John Toland's Adolf Hitler, the flag submitted by the "dentist from Starnberg" was "a swastika against a black-white-red background". He also writes that "Hitler insisted upon a party flag that could compete with the flaming red Communist banner". "We wanted something red enough to out-Herod Herod", recalled Drexler, something to outdo the Reds but "quite different." Anton Drexler was one of the founders and the original leader of the German Workers' Party, which became, after Hitler joined, the National Socialist German Workers' Party, or Nazi Party for short.
Devereaux Cannon, 12 May 1998
England 1997 [eng97] deals with the subject in depth and says:
(...) what inspired Hitler to use the swastika as a symbol for the NSDAP was its use by the Thule-Gesellschaft [organization] since there were many connections between them and the DAP (...) from 1919 until the summer of 1921 Hitler used the special Nationalsozialistische library of Dr. Friedich Krohn, a very active member of the Thule-Gesellschaft, (...) Dr. Krohn was also the dentist from Sternberg who was named by Hitler in Mein Kampf as the designer of a flag very similar to one that Hitler designed in 1920 (...) during the summer of 1920, the first party flag was shown at Lake Tegernsee (...) these home-made (...) early flags were not preserved, the Ortsgruppe München flag was generally regarded as the first flag of the Party.
Most of these early relic NSDAP flags, including the flag of the 5th Munich SA Company of the 1923 Putsch, which became the famous Blood Flag in 1925, were eventually lost during the Allied bombings of World War Two. Of the four original NSDAP Deutschland Erwache standards only one still exists today.
Ben K. Weed, 17 November 1996
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Origins of the Colours
After the North German League in 1867 (and after 1871, the new German Empire) was formed, the Prussian government's dislike for the black-red-gold flag resulted in the adoption of a new black-white-red tricolor. Affter the German defeat in World War One, the new republic adopted the black-red-gold tricolor earlier used in 1848 — and now again the German flag. As a result, the right wing parties urged the readoption of the black-white-red. The colors of the Nazi flag was thus a form of right wing allegiance and signified opposition to democracy. The original (1867) meaning was apparently a merger of the Prussian black-white and the red and white colors common among German maritime states (allegedly inspired by the medieval Hanseatic League).
Norman Martin, 2 June 2000
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Swastika Symbolism
The [above] historical information about the development of the swastika does not explicitly state why a swastika in the first place. Smith 1975 notes that it was a symbol of the Aryan peoples (among many others) in much earlier days, possibly a sun symbol, and he obliquely implied a link between that and Hitler's ideals of an Aryan race.
Rob Raeside, 6 January 2001
The swastika was earlier used as a sign for power, and thus often used on maps to indicate where you could find a power plant or such things. The Swedish company ASEA —now the "A" in the Swedish-Swiss company ABB— used a swastika in its logo until the beginning of the 1930's, when this symbol got a more political meaning. In Swedish, a swastika is called hakkors or hook cross, so at least here it is considered a form of a cross. The hooks are of course formed by the cross arms that are set in angles. Swastikas were used in the air force signs of Finland and of Latvia from their independence following World War One and until the 1940's. The use of swastikas by the Finnish in their war of 1941-1944 against the Soviet Union, had therefore nothing to do with their alliance with Germany at the time.
Elias Granqvist, 7 January 2001
A swastika is a symbol of multiple meanings. It can be found almost all over the world "except to certain areas of Central Africa and Southern Mesopotamia", according to Symbollex, the Norwegian edition of J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Traditional Symbols, Thames and Hudson Ltd., London, 1978, 1982, 1990. Swastikas have been used in the Indus Valley, in Greece, Cyprus, Iceland, by the Lapps, in Ireland, Scotland, and England. The symbol arrived in Egypt about 2500 years ago.
There seems to be agreement that the swastika is a symbol of the sun. It might have been a symbol of the most influential Arian Gods (Zeus, Jupiter). There are lots of possible explanations: It might be a symbol of the stars revolving around the North Pole, the four seasons, it might be a symbol of a human being (two arms + two legs), also something like the yin and yang symbol (masculine and feminine, movement and rest etc.). Some theories say that it might be a symbol of a maze, lightning, water in motion etc. Among some Asian muslims, the swastika is a symbol for north/south/east/west and the four seasons, for some Chinese it is a "a collection of happy symbols, including thousands of good effects". Today not everyone would agree with this understanding of the symbol.
Helge Jacobsen, 7 January 2001
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Left-handed Swastika Legend
One version of the origin of the Nazi flag is given by Francis King, Satan and Swastika: The Occult and the Nazi Party, Mayflower Books, 1976. On p. 117 it is stated that in early 1920 various designs for National Socialist flags were submitted to Hitler:
The one finally adopted (...) was designed by Dr. Friedrich Krohn, a dentist from Sternberg (...). Krohn's design, the swastika on a white disk against a red background, was intended to symbolize the ideology of the movement — in red its social ideal, in white its nationalism, and in the swastika "the struggle for the victory of Aryan man". But Krohn's flag featured a right-handed swastika, traditional symbol of good fortune, spiritual evalution and the triumph of spirit over matter. Hitler insisted on it being replaced by the left-handed swastika, regarded by occultists as the equivalent of a reversed crucifix, an evocation of evil, spiritual devolution and black magic!
King is a well reputed author on the history of modern occult organizations. In this instance, however, he does not give sources. In J.H. Brennan The Occult Reich, Signet, 1974, the same basic story regarding Krohn's participation is related (p. 86); Brennan also quotes from Mein Kampf where Hitler wrote:
A symbol it really is! In red we see the social ideal of the movement, in white the nationalist idea, in the swastika is the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man.
Peter Cawley, s.d.
Although this claim occurs quite regularly, there is in fact very little evidence for it (which probably accounts for the lack of sources). In fact, the swastika, including the so-called left-handed version, is an ancient sun-wheel symbol used by peoples across the world, ranging from the American Indians to the Tibetans. They would hardly be likely to use the left-handed swastika if it was associated with evil. Similarly, the left-handed swastika appeared on the pre-war national symbols of Latvia and Finland, before there was any association with Nazism. The Isle of Man flag is also a variation on this theme. I suspect that the story about the left-handed swastika, like the allegation of Hitler's illegitimacy, was simply Allied wartime propaganda.
Stuart Notholt
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Order of the New Templars 1907
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by José Manuel Erbez
The first time the swastika was used with an 'Aryan' meaning was on 25 December 1907, when the self-named Order of the New Templars, a secret society founded by Lanz von Liebenfels, hoisted at Werfenstein Castle (Austria) a yellow flag with a swastika and four fleurs-de-lys.
José Manuel Erbez, 21 January 2001
*** adding from str8thinker ***
Thus the swastika, thought to be the exclusively Aryan symbol of sun-worship misappropriated by the Nazis, and found depicted on many of the clay pots unearthed in Arkaim, is an older religious and metaphysical symbol than that attached to the Aryan Sun God, its roots lying in totemic shamanism. René Guénon, the eminent French esotericist, points out that the swastika, symbolising eternal motion around a motionless centre, is a polar rather than a solar symbol, and as such was a symbol central to the Pole star cult, originally dedicated to a planetary deity connected to Ursa Major, the Great Bear. This centre, Guénon stresses, “constitutes the fixed point known symbolically to all traditions as the ‘pole’ or axis around which the world rotates…” The swastika is therefore known world-wide as the ‘sign of the pole.’
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18785-Arkaim-ancient-Russian-city-and-psychic-hotspot&highlight=swastika
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 05:42
It isn't the 25 points.
I will give you another hint.
http://www.infowars.com/headline_photos/April/dollar_ase.gif
Another from str8thinker (after a nugget from m'lord):
m'lord:
I think you will find the term in Russian you want is kolovrat.
And this is an excellent post, this is where the aryans introduced the first of their hybrids that ended up in Europe.
I will ask Jorr to bring the info he has on the Norse coming from elsewhere with their gods showing them the way.
(note: "where" in reference to Arkaim)
Thanks your Lordship, that fits it exactly! Funny that none of my references above used this word.
Kolovrat or kolowrat (also Colovrat, sometimes anglicized as Collowrath) means spinning wheel in a number of Slavic languages (contemporary or archaic meaning): "kolo" means "wheel", "vrat" is the stem for "turning/spinning/etc." It may also be an archaic form of the East Slavic word kolovorot for "brace". Kolo symbolizes the Sun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolovrat
As we saw above, some believe the kolovrat originally symbolized the Pole star (maybe even a spiral galaxy!). This is obviously very much a moot point.
http://solomongiants.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/kolovrat_2_big1.jpg?w=300&h=296
Why then is there a Mt. Kolovrat in the Solomon Islands, of all places? Find out here (http://solomongiants.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/mount-kolovrat-story-by-james-baura/).
Note that this kolovrat has six, not four feet, and they are "walking" clockwise (same direction as Nazi swastika), yet I've seen some web pages claiming direction (clockwise or anticlockwise) may be important to distinguish between them, also others who claim that the traditional kolovrat as seen on some Slavic houses was more like a spinning wheel (or chariot wheel).
http://www.rushohloma.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/%D0%92%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0%B7-%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8F%D0%BD.jpg
Flag of Slavic Unity - feet "walk" anticlockwise
http://slawianie.narod.ru/img/vera/06.jpg
Old photo of Slavic house decoration
Wonder if anyone can put this straight?
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 07:10
Go with my last hint for now.
It isn't the 25 points.
I will give you another hint.
http://www.infowars.com/headline_photos/April/dollar_ase.gif
I was hoping to get some help from my fellow nuggets. :help:
I am at work and thus behind a firewall blocking many sites and all videos so it is hard to do research here.
At home I have a whole book on the great seal (if I can find it when I get there anyway).
I will throw out some basics from what I *can* reach and hopefully a few others can join in and help get the ball rollin' again.
From:
http://goddrinksbeer.com/2011/02/13/freemasonry-and-the-great-seal-on-the-dollar-bill.aspx
Freemasonry and the Great Seal on the Dollar Bill
The pyramid side is sometimes called the spiritual side of the seal. The pyramid design was chosen as a symbol of duration, a nearly eternal nation and of the West's ancient heritage, much of which has its roots in Ancient Egypt. It is important to note that people during the Enlightenment Era marking the democratization of the West were heavily involved in speculation upon ancient symbols and histories. This is also the era that birthed the remarkable discipline of archaeology.
The Eye of Providence sits at the pyramids zenith. Historically the All-seeing-Eye motif has been used by countless civilizations on all continents but interested parties who promote the Masonic Dollar theory like to point out that a very similar motif is in fact used by Freemasons today. This is true however; those who promote this theory often fail to recognize that during the Enlightenment the eye motif was used repeatedly by many different artists and organizations unassociated with Freemasonry. It is also often overlooked that the Eye motif had been an element of the design on the Great Seal since the seal was first proposed on August 20th, 1776 and finally adopted by Congress on June 20th 1782. Freemasons did not begin using the all-seeing-eye emblem until 1797 in "The Freemasons Monitor of Thomas Smith Webb" fifteen years after the Great Seal was finalized. In fact it is more likely that Freemasons adopted the motif from the Great Seal rather than the other way around.
The Latin phrase "Annuit Coeptus" means "He has favored our undertakings," which refers to the founding belief that the success of the American revolution was a matter of divine Providence as can be found written in the Declaration of Independence. The next phrase is another point that conspiracy enthusiast enjoy kicking around like a rusty old tin can, telling themselves it's actually a football.
"Novus Ordo Seclorum" does not mean "New World Order" as so often incorrectly translated. It means "New Order of the Ages." It refers to the Founders recognition that they were creating a new order in a new era. They recognized that they had begun an age of reason, logic, and spiritual and practical liberty from dogmatic institutions. The new order was liberty, democracy and republicanism in opposition to the old order of submission to monarchical regimes.
Tidbit from Jordan Maxwell:
The eye in the triangle symbol does not represent what many Christians and conspiracy researchers think it does. Before condemning it, research it
From str8thinker in another thread (snip to show dollar great seal portion only):
Volume 3 - Eye Of The Phoenix
http://www.cuttingedge.org/ahpimages/Eye-of-Phoenix1.jpg
(Google Video)
“Eye of the Phoenix” documents the bizarre history of the design of the dollar bill, exposing the occult activity surrounding the FDR administration. There is perhaps no other period in U.S. history when so many people were so deeply involved in the occult, and held positions of power that reached all the way to the White House. Phoenix focuses specifically on the years prior to World War II leading up to 1935, when the Great Seal was taken out of obscurity and placed on the foundation of America's currency. According to official records from the State Department, FDR and his Secretary of Agriculture, Henry Wallace, specifically chose to use the Great Seal because, as Freemasons, they believed the “Novus Ordo Seclorum” (which they equated with the New Deal) could only be fulfilled under “the eye” of the Great Architect of the Universe (the god of Masonry). Two heavily influential occultists during the FDR era were Manly P. Hall and a Russian mystic named Nicholas Roerich.
Manly Hall's writings influenced Freemasonic presidents FDR and Harry S. Truman. It is even said that Hall was responsible for the number of stones on the pyramid of the Great Seal, and for the identification of the eagle as a phoenix. Meanwhile, Nicholas Roerich was an international figure and Theosophist. His quest for Shambhala and the Stone of Destiny (symbols of the New World Order) captivated Henry Wallace. According to a variety of sources, it was Roerich's influence over Wallace (and ultimately FDR) that led to the placement of the Great Seal on America's currency. As American Heritage writes: “The State Department grew very nervous about Roerich, but he had influence in the Oval Office.” Some Christian leaders continue to downplay the occult nature of the dollar bill; but once you understand the beliefs and influence of Roerich, Wallace and Manly Hall, you will clearly recognize the Luciferian nature of its design.
Also discussed in this documentary are: the Bohemian Grove, the Illuminati past and present, Theosophical Society, Benjamin Creme and the Maitreya (i.e. Antichrist); along with a prediction for how the dollar will be used to establish the New World Order.
(cuttingedge.org)
This high quality documentary proves the following points about the two Seals on the back of the One Dollar Bill with clarity and precision: 1) The two Seals are Egyptian and Luciferian 2) The two Seals were introduced by Freemasons, in 1782 3) Masonic President Franklin Roosevelt, aided by his Secretary of Agriculture/Vice President Wallace, ordered these Seals to be placed on the back of the Dollar Bill in 1935, having been urged on and advised by the Russian channeler/mystic, Nicolas Roerach. 4) Americans had no idea that the Roosevelt Administration was as controlled by mystic, Black Magick forces, as it was. Had they known the degree to which Roosevelt was controlled by Black Magick forces, he would have been forced out of office immediately. 5) Former Satanist, Doc Marquis, reveals that, while in the Illuminati, he was taught that the two Seals are NOT official seals of the United States, but of the Global Illuminati! 6) Doc Marquis also reveals that these two Seals hide three (3) hexagrams plus a hidden message about Freemasonry. These hexagrams form a '666' 7) We correctly link the symbolism of the All- Seeing Eye of Lucifer hovering over the unfinished pyramid on the back of the Dollar Bill to the coming prophesied Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem! The Masons have been steadfastly determined since 1782 to seize control of the Temple Mount so they could resurrect Solomon's Temple for use by their Masonic Christ!
Since this was the plan in 1782 when the Seals were created, the Masons made sure that the symbolism of the unfinished pyramid directly tied into their plan to rebuild Solomon's Temple. When the Masonic Christ (Antichrist) is planned to be the "Living Stone" to top off the unfinished pyramid!
You will be amazed at this simple, but profound, symbolism linkeage and by the thorough degree to which this plan fulfills Bible prophecy exactly! You will be shocked to realize that the stage for the fulfillment of this End of the Age prophecy was set all the way back to 1782!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5475768478934201793# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5475768478934201793#) 2:51:38
The Masonic Dollar Bill Talisman
In 1933, 33rd degree Freemason Franklin D. Roosevelt added the Great Seal to the US Dollar, transforming it into an occult Talisman. The same year he signed a Gold confiscation order and took the US off the gold standard. At a press conference on March 8th, 1933, he joked, “As long as nobody asks me whether we are off the gold standard … that is alright, because nobody knows what the … gold standard really is.”
“The 33rd degree Freemason and Black Nobility president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, had this symbol printed on the dollar bill from 1933. It was a symbol of secret societies in Europe long before anyone heard of the United States and it is awash with Freemasonic and secret society symbolism going back to the ancient world.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” 353
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Notice the symbology and numerology used on the dollar bill. The most obvious symbol is the Illuminati pyramid with the hovering all-seeing eye in the capstone. Opposite this is the “all-American” Eagle with a down-turned US flag affront its chest. These and many other symbols on the dollar come from the ancient Stellar, Solar, and Lunar cults.
“The Pyramid is for the Stellar Cult, as are the various stars that appear on the bill. The Golden Eagle is for the Solar Cult. The Eagle is the symbol of America because it signifies the constellation in Scorpio called Aquila. Scorpio is the sign of power, money and wealth, as well as secret knowledge. (The U.S. elections are held right n the middle of Scorpio and the birthday of America is in the Scorpionic decanate of Cancer.) The color green also relates to the Solar Cult. The number thirteen, which appears frequently on the dollar bill stands for the Lunar Cult. There are thirteen months in the Lunar Year. (America originally had thirteen States. London is made up of 28 boroughs, this being the number of the Lunar ‘mansions.’) Thirteen is also a Stellar Cult numeral, much used by the Israelites and other Semitic tribes and nations. Then there are the watermarks, or ‘moon letters,’ for the Lunar Cults.” -Michael Tsarion, “Astrotheology and Sidereal Mythology”
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The double-headed eagle symbol which came from Babylon and survived through the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry has been today adopted by America, Mexico, Israel, Germany, France, Chile, Italy, Honduras and many others.
“The eagle is a widely used Brotherhood symbol and it can be found on the coats of arms of many countries, including Egypt, Libya and Iraq. It was a major symbol for the Nazis in Germany and it appears in the designs of pulpits and lecterns used by the Christian Church. Seals like the one used in the Great Seal of the United States can be traced back to at least 4,000 BC in Egypt, Babylon, Assyria and India.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” (353)
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The word “mon-ey” comes from the Lunar cults. Early words for the Moon were “mon” and “min” giving us “mon-ey” printed at a “min-t.” We have a global “mon-archy” that controls the world’s “mon-ey” supply. We have finance “min-isters,” prime “min-isters” and their “min-istries” being controlled by occult elites/societies. “Mon-ks” perform “mon-thly cere-mon-ies” in “mon-asteries.” It is interesting to note that the plant “mint” is green, our “mon-ey” printed at the “min-t” is green, and the Isis moon goddess Statue of Liberty is green. Someone who is ignorant is green. Moon-lovers are “luna-tics,” from the French; They are “mon-sters.” You can see how the elite esoterically worship the moon continuing the Lunar cult, while exoterically condemning and marginalizing it.
“You will see beneath the pyramid seventeen seventy-six, spelled out in Roman Numerals, plus the words, Annuit Coeptis, and is translated as Annuit, our enterprise. Coeptis is translated to mean ‘crowned with success,’ or ‘is crowned with success,’ therefore, Annuit Coeptis is ‘our enterprise, which is now a success.’ Then in order to find out what enterprise was a success, read on the one dollar bill at the bottom of the pyramid, Novus Ordo Seclorum. Which translates as the ‘New Order of the World’ - The New World Order! Now, we must remember that Germany was the home of the concept of The New World Order. Adolph Hitler's entire motivation was to establish a new world order." -Jordan Maxwell, “Matrix of Power”
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The Latin translation of Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum is “Our New World Order is Crowned with Success.” The other Latin phrase E Pluribus Unim means “One Out of Many.” Order out of Chaos. The Hegelian dialectic. The problem-reaction-solution paradigm used by the elites to drive world events, opinions and policies. There are 13 letters in Annuit Coeptis and 13 letters in E Pluribus Unim. The dollar encodes the number 13 repeatedly. There are 13 stars above the eagles head, 13 steps on the Pyramid, 13 vertical bars on the shield, 13 horizontal stripes at the top of the shield, 13 leaves on the olive branch, 13 arrows, 13 fruits, and 13 numbers.
“You will find on the dollar bill, the eagle, which comes from the ancient concept of the Phoenix, and has thirteen stars above it. The thirteen stars are arranged in the configuration of the Star of David, or the hexagram. Most people think the thirteen stars represent the original thirteen colonies. In the first place, why did they have to have thirteen colonies? Why couldn't they have twenty-seven, or four, or ten? When one understands that the number thirteen is a very important, profound Masonic number, and that many of the founding fathers of this country were Freemasons, as well as Rosicrucians, then you will follow this connecting thread of material to see what was actually being created. They knew what they were doing when they divided this country into thirteen colonies. The number thirteen is not an unlucky number for them. It is an unlucky number for you.” -Jordan Maxwell, “Matrix of Power”
If you draw a six-sided “Star of David” around the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 5 of the 6 corners will point to letters: A,S,M,O,N or when you re-arrange them, MASON.
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/06/masonic-dollar-bill-talisman.html
sirac
19th May 2011, 12:43
I've read the base question, and 1st page, so i don't know what the post has become.
but from the 1st page it seems everyone assumes we come from Aldebaren.
RUBBISH.
According to Billy Meier and Alex Collier, we come from Lyra, and this 'base human specie' populated outward occupying other star systems such as the Pleiedes etc.
{how do we account for the 3 population groups of white, asian, black...}
{Dave Wilcock posits that blacks are truely from this planet,...his theory majoris that a wavelength frequency specifies thoughtout galaxies whether human species will 'grow' there, & amongst what-not human races, even a green race with female ambassadors, that blacks aren't found anywhere else}
{Billy Meier posits an originating 'system' for Asians...saying overpopulation at that point 'forced' them to spread....& now they here representing half-the-global-human-consciousness on earth}
{what can be said of whites.....i'll think later....but this Aldebaren thing hinges right on the supremacy point first exploited by Hitler}
[i have white and asian blood, and i live amongst blacks.....for this plain, i am all]
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 13:08
I've read the base question, and 1st page, so i don't know what the post has become.
but from the 1st page it seems everyone assumes we come from Aldebaren.
RUBBISH.
According to Billy Meier and Alex Collier, we come from Lyra, and this 'base human specie' populated outward occupying other star systems such as the Pleiedes etc.
{how do we account for the 3 population groups of white, asian, black...}
{Dave Wilcock posits that blacks are truely from this planet,...his theory majoris that a wavelength frequency specifies thoughtout galaxies whether human species will 'grow' there, & amongst what-not human races, even a green race with female ambassadors, that blacks aren't found anywhere else}
{Billy Meier posits an originating 'system' for Asians...saying overpopulation at that point 'forced' them to spread....& now they here representing half-the-global-human-consciousness on earth}
{what can be said of whites.....i'll think later....but this Aldebaren thing hinges right on the supremacy point first exploited by Hitler}
[i have white and asian blood, and i live amongst blacks.....for this plain, i am all]
Right, so because x says it is so, it is?
If you read other posts, you will find I have already said the different ''races'' come from different progenitors.
I think that Wilcock is correct with that quote you give us.
And no, this doesn't ''hinge'' at all with Hitler, he comes a long way down the story line.
Excellent video and backs up some of the things I was already sharing with you.
Pity the guy mispronounces so many things, but good none the less.
The last part about the rockefeller foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.
Hint, hint.
I reviewed the vid again and regarding rocky at the end it mentions the 139k and standard oil.
The last part about the rockefeller' foundation should set off some alarm bells for you.Hint, hint.
The rockefeller's are general ne'er-do-wells, but what should we take away from the last part?
Are we trying to say that the rockefeller's have the 'ark'??
or
is in league with enlil/stranded aryan/annunaki??
or
that the rockefeller's are not human??
An interesting question, however, is why would the rockefeller's spend so much money covering up esoteric angle to the WW2. The only reason i can think of, is that they are in possession of a 'mythical/mystical/magic' artifact previously owned by the nazi party. Which leads me back to 'ark' and the economic prosperity that followed USA after WW2. Or, maybe, they don't want anyone else communicating or knowing about other alien species. Which would mean that the alien coverup is at the direction of rockefeller.
Oh, look at what committees the great grandson of John D Rockefeller is on;
Rockefeller serves on the following committees in the 111th Congress: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller)
Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation (Chairman)
Committee on Finance
Subcommittee on Health Care (Chairman)
Subcommittee on International Trade, Customs, and Global Competitiveness
Subcommittee on Social Security, Pensions, and Family Policy
Select Committee on Intelligence
Committee on Veterans' Affairs
Joint Committee on Taxation
It should be noted that Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Intelligence) appropriates funds for the black budget.
They have a reason they don't want anyone researching the NSDAP and what it was about.
The question is, what is that reason?
"They" being a reference to Rockefeller Foundation?
Nope, you are still missing it, even though you all have it in this thread.
2 steps forward ... 1 step back.
Before continuing on into the great seal "eye on top of the pyramid" hint can I request clarification on who "they" are in reference to my attempt here at retracing the nugget trail?
Andrew
19th May 2011, 14:51
5 pointed star? another symbol for the sun?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyx0B-5FC8jiYmn2zim1d35sFqKEWdfNU-0bIMXO8exR5LENUPNw
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 15:01
Focus on the eye.
Nope, you are still missing it, even though you all have it in this thread.
5 pointed star? another symbol for the sun?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyx0B-5FC8jiYmn2zim1d35sFqKEWdfNU-0bIMXO8exR5LENUPNw
I ran over 5 images on post #148 ... here is the last one:
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If you draw a six-sided “Star of David” around the pyramid on the back of the dollar, 5 of the 6 corners will point to letters: A,S,M,O,N or when you re-arrange them, MASON.
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2008/06/masonic-dollar-bill-talisman.html
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 15:14
What is the eye?
Just be aware that when we get to the end of this particular track, you will be shocked.
And I can guarantee this, it is not on the net, nor would you have ever heard this before.
This will change your perceptions of the world.
So be serious with this, I am going to show you a very interesting piece of the pie.
Focus on the eye.
The Eye of Providence (or the all-seeing eye of God) is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light or a glory and usually enclosed by a triangle. It is sometimes interpreted as representing the eye of God watching over humankind (or divine providence). [1][2][3]
In the modern era, the most notable depiction of the eye is the reverse of the Great Seal of the United States, which appears on the United States one-dollar bill.
Imagery of an all-seeing eye can be traced back to Egyptian mythology and the Eye of Horus. It also appears in Buddhism, where Buddha is also regularly referred to as the "Eye of the World" throughout Buddhist scriptures (e.g. Mahaparinibbana Sutta) and is represented as a trinity in the shape of a triangle known as the Tiratna, or Triple Gem.
In Medieval and Renaissance European iconography, the Eye (often with the addition of an enclosing triangle) was an explicit image of the Christian Trinity. Seventeenth-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds or sun bursts.
In 1782, the Eye of Providence was adopted as part of the symbolism on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. It was first suggested as an element of the Great Seal by the first of three design committees in 1776 and is thought to be the suggestion of the artistic consultant, Pierre Eugene du Simitiere.[4]
On the seal, the Eye is surrounded by the words Annuit Cœptis, meaning "He approves (or has approved) [our] undertakings", and Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning "New Order of the Ages". The Eye is positioned above an unfinished pyramid with thirteen steps, representing the original thirteen states and the future growth of the country. The lowest level of the pyramid shows the year 1776 in Roman numerals. The combined implication is that the Eye, or God, favors the prosperity of the United States.
Perhaps due to its use in the design of the Great Seal, the Eye has made its way into other American seals and logos, notably the Seal of Colorado and DARPA's Information Awareness Office.
Today, the Eye of Providence is usually associated with Freemasonry. The Eye first appeared as part of the standard iconography of the Freemasons in 1797, with the publication of Thomas Smith Webb's Freemasons Monitor.[5] Here, it represents the all-seeing eye of God and is a reminder that a Mason's thoughts and deeds are always observed by God (who is referred to in Masonry as the Great Architect of the Universe). Typically, the Masonic Eye of Providence has a semi-circular glory below the eye. Sometimes the Eye is enclosed by a triangle.
Popular among conspiracy theorists is the claim that the Eye of Providence shown atop an unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States indicates the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. This was dramatized in the 2004 Disney film National Treasure. However, common Masonic use of the Eye dates to 14 years after the creation of the Great Seal. Furthermore, among the members of the various design committees for the Great Seal, only Benjamin Franklin was a Mason (and his ideas for the seal were not adopted). Indeed, many Masonic organizations have explicitly denied any connection to the creation of the Seal.[6][7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence
What is the eye?
Just be aware that when we get to the end of this particular track, you will be shocked.
And I can guarantee this, it is not on the net, nor would you have ever heard this before.
This will change your perceptions of the world.
So be serious with this, I am going to show you a very interesting piece of the pie.
You *DO* know how to wet the appetite!!! :hungry:
Andrew
19th May 2011, 15:25
Yes the Eye of Horus, but what you getting at?
Also it is said Hitler had one testicle and when Horus fought Set in the war between north and south Eygpt, Set lost a testicle, has this any significance?
"As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as Harsiesis, Heru-ur or Har-Wer (ḥr.w wr 'Horus the Great'), but more usually translated as Horus the Elder. In the struggle Set had lost a testicle, explaining why the desert, which Set represented, is infertile. Horus' left eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun."
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 15:32
Yes the Eye of Horus, but what you getting at?
Also it is said Hitler had one testicle and when Horus fought Set in the war between north and south Eygpt, Set lost a testicle, has this any significance?
"As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as Harsiesis, Heru-ur or Har-Wer (ḥr.w wr 'Horus the Great'), but more usually translated as Horus the Elder. In the struggle Set had lost a testicle, explaining why the desert, which Set represented, is infertile. Horus' left eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun."
How do you know it is horus?
And let me give you the next hint.
Why is the capstone seperate from the rest?
Andrew
19th May 2011, 15:35
Too represent it as above like in the air/space? and we are below?
Andrew
19th May 2011, 15:42
The Sun is behind the eye so the eye must represent the moon?
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 15:43
Nope, that isn't it.
Longshot but certainly interesting ...
SACRED GEOMETRY
AND THE
GREAT SEAL OF THE U.S.
The following image is a reproduction I made from an image that I found in the book "Secret and Suppressed" edited by Jim Keith. I found the image most illuminating, and was inspired by it to find further, similar correspondences within the US Great Seal.
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The alignments between the two images ("front" and "back" designs for the Seal) in the original configuration given here interest me somewhat less than the initial researcher's choice to offset the two circles in the standard "Vesica Pisces" design. This implies only a minor, working knowledge of sacred geometry, but nothing compared to what I am about to show you.
First let me show you the original idea I had following the examination of the (unattributed) "Vesica Pisces" configuration from "Secret and Suppressed." By aligning the two circles, one directly on top of or over the other, and reducing the transparency of both by fifty percent, we arrive at the following overlapping, the correspondences of which between the elements of the two pictures (front and back of the "Seal") becomes much clearer than the original Vesica PIsces configuration.
(note - take link at bottom for this and many other images)
Here the alignments of the graphic elements in the twin pictures of the "front" and "back" of the "seal" are much more obvious. Here we see, from the bottom upwards, the dual elements both vertically and horizontally in each picture, and how they align between both.
To begin with we see the "Novus" and the "Seclorem" of the "motto" on the "standard" at the based of the "Great Seal" ("back" side, with the pyramid, symbol of financial authority) and the olive branch and the clutch of arrows in the tallons of the eagle ("front" side, symbol of governmental, military authority) overlap.
The "Novus" (meaning "new" in latin) overlaps with the olive branch (representing "peace" but connotative also of the covenant of the world-flood) and the arrows (of which there are thirteen, the "unlucky" number of the Knights Templar) overlap with the "Seclorem" (meaning "world" in latin, but having the connotation of "secular" as opposed to "religious," or "temporal"), respectively.
Also, the central array of the eagle's tail feathers overlaps with the latin word for "Order" (as in the latin saying "Ordo Ab Chao" used among the 32nd degree Scottish Rite Masons, meaning "order out of [or from] chaos"). I'll return to the symbolism of these feathers briefly in a moment.
Likewise, above the "standard" on the pyramid side and the tallons of the eagle on the "front" side, the (again in Roman numerals) year at the base of the pyramid and the "stars and stripes" shield (the primary component of a heradlic crest). I won't bother to explain these, as their symbolism should be obvious: the 15 stars and 13 stripes of the US flag occupy the shield and the year 1776, America's founding.
The "upper" standard (reflecting the "lower" standard beneath the pyramid) in the eagle's beak rises from either side at about the same scale as the "missing capstone" of the pyramid and reads "E PLuribus Unum" (latin, meaning "All for one," the saying of the Three Musketeers in the famus story by Victor Hugo).
Above the "missing capstone" (usually thought to be a Free Masonic symbol itself, although playing a heavier role in the York than the Scottish Rite), we see the "eye in the triangle" (usually believed to represent philosophical "Illuminism") aligns with the 13 stars arranged in a hexagram on the opposite side of the "seal." This may be taken to represent "God" (the eye being the "All-Seeing" aspect while the stars represent the 12 Apostles of Christ), however this is only a shallow interpretation, the "tip of the iceberg" so to speak. In point of fact, this might be thought to symbolise the ancient Egyptian belief in the transubstantiation of the soul of the Pharoah into the constellation of Orion via the Great Pyramid as their tomb.
Above the entire motif, and corresponding to a further horizontal reflection, is the final component, the phrase "ANNUIT COEPTIS," latin for "fortune favours," a shortened version of the old Greek saying "fortune favours the bold."
The following arrangements are just ones to bear generally in mind, and I will not make such extensive commentary on them. Also their symbolism should be remembered to be "adverse" or negatively oriented between the two figures because one is right-side up and one is upside down relative to one another.
Site has lots of interesting sacred geometry ideas with way too many images to post here. Have a look if it sounds interesting:
http://www.benpadiah.com/otherstuff/dollahdollahbillsyall/GreatSeal.html
Andrew
19th May 2011, 16:16
Yes the Eye of Horus, but what you getting at?
Also it is said Hitler had one testicle and when Horus fought Set in the war between north and south Eygpt, Set lost a testicle, has this any significance?
"As Horus was the ultimate victor he became known as Harsiesis, Heru-ur or Har-Wer (ḥr.w wr 'Horus the Great'), but more usually translated as Horus the Elder. In the struggle Set had lost a testicle, explaining why the desert, which Set represented, is infertile. Horus' left eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun."
How do you know it is horus?
And let me give you the next hint.
Why is the capstone seperate from the rest?
Also known as the eye of Ra or Lucifer and I've just watched this video which might of given me a hint?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXjX6wu870w&feature=related
Solphilos
19th May 2011, 16:45
So many running around in circles chasing tidbits of false information dangled by those who think they are 'in the know' :tinfoil3:
The uninitiated will continue to make attempts at interpreting the meanings of esoteric symbolism, as they always have, and will continue to fail, as the sacred mysteries are never revealed to the profane. One cannot merely guess at the meanings that such correspondences hold, as one must cultivate a higher capacity of mind in which the symbols can grow and become fruitful, and this can only be done through a rigid, technical system, one that becomes reduced to mere flights of fancy and conspiracy theory in the minds of the unworthy. This is the reason that pearls should not be cast before swine...
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 16:51
So many running around in circles chasing tidbits of false information dangled by those who think they are 'in the know' :tinfoil3:
The uninitiated will continue to make attempts at interpreting the meanings of esoteric symbolism, as they always have, and will continue to fail, as the sacred mysteries are never revealed to the profane. One cannot merely guess at the meanings that such correspondences hold, as one must cultivate a higher capacity of mind in which the symbols can grow and become fruitful, and this can only be done through a rigid, technical system, one that becomes reduced to mere flights of fancy and conspiracy theory in the minds of the unworthy. This is the reason that pearls should not be cast before swine...
Interesting post.
Arrogant and assuming much.
When you have something positive that you can contribute, I am all ears.
You know nothing of me or what I know, yet this is the best you can do?
So many running around in circles chasing tidbits of false information dangled by those who think they are 'in the know' :tinfoil3:
The uninitiated will continue to make attempts at interpreting the meanings of esoteric symbolism, as they always have, and will continue to fail, as the sacred mysteries are never revealed to the profane. One cannot merely guess at the meanings that such correspondences hold, as one must cultivate a higher capacity of mind in which the symbols can grow and become fruitful, and this can only be done through a rigid, technical system, one that becomes reduced to mere flights of fancy and conspiracy theory in the minds of the unworthy. This is the reason that pearls should not be cast before swine...
Equating avalon members to "swine" is quite helpful ... thanks for that :haha:
Everyone is different but I have always valued having an open mind ... even when someone else presents an entirely diametric opinion of something.
Always room to grow ... and just because someone is open minded to expand their reality certainly does not mean they will accept said pearls.
:yo:
That is the "good cop" version ... beware the light saber :laser:
*** oooops ... too late :) ***
indiana
19th May 2011, 17:02
Thanks Solphilos !
Its been a few days since i had a good laugh!!
Thanks Solphilos !
Its been a few days since i had a good laugh!!
A few days???
Dammit man you really need to lighten up :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=701NiTGsvHA
Once I get into one of "those" moods ... even the dark side of the force cannot stop me.
Please allow one more before getting back to topic :offtopic:
Cow??? No ... NNNOOOO ... NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO :laser: :cow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKWVCv8uWDI&feature=related
davyj0nes
19th May 2011, 22:01
i have run out of ideas, but i will tell you what know about the eye. the eye atop the pyramid is known as the all seeing eye. the all seeing eye is used to protect against the evil eye. the pyramid symbol in the dollar was meant to say that as far as humanity has technically progressed they still have much more spiritual progressing to do. The floating eye representing God/spiritual attainment. I got that from Jordan Maxwell from a youtube vid i saw some time ago. I'm not sure how that could or would tie back to the rockefellers, annunaki, et'al.
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 22:09
Let me ask you avalonuggets this.
If we say the pyramid is the various groups used to control the earth.
Why would the eye hover over the top?
Mostafa
19th May 2011, 22:24
Let me ask you avalonuggets this.
If we say the pyramid is the various groups used to control the earth.
Why would the eye hover over the top?
the mission is not complete yet, hence the triangle shape is yet to be complete?
Gustav
19th May 2011, 22:25
Because the ruling or wanting to rule the earth is 'over the top'? ;)
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
davyj0nes
19th May 2011, 22:37
Let me ask you avalonuggets this.
If we say the pyramid is the various groups used to control the earth.
Why would the eye hover over the top?
I would say if the top represents the controllers, and i put myself into their situation, i would want to hover, to be separate from, the rest of humanity. I wouldn't want to be seen as part of 'them'.
on the other hand
maybe they are separate from humanity, and that is their way of saying their power comes from above.
Andrew
19th May 2011, 22:43
We correctly link the symbolism of the All-Seeing Eye of Lucifer hovering over the unfinished pyramid on the back of the Dollar Bill to the coming prophesied Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem! The Masons have been steadfastly determined since 1782 to seize control of the Temple Mount so they could resurrect Solomon's Temple for use by their Masonic Christ! Since this was the plan in 1782 when the Seals were created, the Masons made sure that the symbolism of the unfinished pyramid directly tied into their plan to rebuild Solomon's Temple. When the Masonic Christ (Antichrist) is planned to be the "Living Stone" to top off the unfinished pyramid! You will be amazed at this simple, but profound, symbolism linkeage and by the thorough degree to which this plan fulfills Bible prophecy exactly! You will be shocked to realize that the stage for the fulfillment of this End of the Age prophecy was set all the way back to 1782.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4746728395965847122#
Mostafa
19th May 2011, 22:47
this might be interesting although I think irrelevant.
this is an islamic Hadith about Al Dajal (Anti-Christ, Armilus):
"I warn you of him, and there was no prophet but warned his followers of him; but I will tell you something about him which no prophet has told his followers: Ad-Dajjal is one-eyed whereas Allah is not."
Lord Sidious
19th May 2011, 23:01
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
Gustav
19th May 2011, 23:07
We correctly link the symbolism of the All-Seeing Eye of Lucifer hovering over the unfinished pyramid on the back of the Dollar Bill to the coming prophesied Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem! The Masons have been steadfastly determined since 1782 to seize control of the Temple Mount so they could resurrect Solomon's Temple for use by their Masonic Christ! Since this was the plan in 1782 when the Seals were created, the Masons made sure that the symbolism of the unfinished pyramid directly tied into their plan to rebuild Solomon's Temple. When the Masonic Christ (Antichrist) is planned to be the "Living Stone" to top off the unfinished pyramid! You will be amazed at this simple, but profound, symbolism linkeage and by the thorough degree to which this plan fulfills Bible prophecy exactly! You will be shocked to realize that the stage for the fulfillment of this End of the Age prophecy was set all the way back to 1782.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4746728395965847122#
what is Sidious doing there at around 5:55? ;)
=== Added ===
I than would argue that there are two possibilities. It is either the real creator/source or lifeforce that controls ultimately the pyramid as well. Or it is the group of people/beings/entities that control it. But having said that you point to 'who is the all seeing eye'. Meaning I think exactly what you say, namely one person/entity/being. So, having little knowledge of the pyramidical structure I would go and follow my own possibility No.1.
davyj0nes
19th May 2011, 23:48
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 00:08
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Bit by bit, nugget.
Answer my last one first.
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 00:10
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Bit by bit, nugget.
Answer my last one first.
the all seeing eye are the aryans/annunaki
Seikou-Kishi
20th May 2011, 00:11
You know Sidious, you have an infuriating deal of patience which is really a marvel to watch :D
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 00:11
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Bit by bit, nugget.
Answer my last one first.
the all seeing eye are the aryans/annunaki
Close.
Who, though?
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 00:13
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Bit by bit, nugget.
Answer my last one first.
the all seeing eye are the aryans/annunaki
Close.
Who, though?
Lord Enki?
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 00:16
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
the controllers have to answer to the aryans/annunaki. But why wouldn't rockefeller want you to know that? and how does that tie into the NSDAP??
Bit by bit, nugget.
Answer my last one first.
the all seeing eye are the aryans/annunaki
Close.
Who, though?
Lord Enki?
Nope, Enlil/jehovah.
So what does all this have to do with the NSDAP and the rockefellers?
Any ideas?
TWINCANS
20th May 2011, 00:38
The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.
This line of thinking would indicate that Enlil and the annunaki come from Aldebaran..
(According to Sitchin's work Enlil and the annunaki came from Niburu, an idea Bill has dismissed on another thread. )
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 00:45
The Rockefellers and the nazis they work with, to control the US and thereby the world, answer to/work for/are in contact with Enlil, I suppose. What unfolds here on earth is his plan. Enlil oversees everything.
This line of thinking would indicate that Enlil and the annunaki come from Aldebaran..
(According to Sitchin's work Enlil and the annunaki came from Niburu, an idea Bill has dismissed on another thread. )
Not even close.
TWINCANS
20th May 2011, 01:22
All I can hear is the sound of head scratching ... any hints?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 03:48
This is an interesting read and may have some answers we are looking for.
http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/author/supriemrockefeller/
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 04:08
This is an interesting read and may have some answers we are looking for.
http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/author/supriemrockefeller/
I have a feeling that guy knows where certain types of mushrooms grow. :p
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 07:22
Just pitching here. If the pyramid represents the power structue that is (on) earth. Than the eye 'above' it could point to control of the pyramid not from this earth.
You got it.
So who is the all seeing eye?
Lord Enki?
Nope, Enlil/jehovah.
So what does all this have to do with the NSDAP and the rockefellers?
Any ideas?
could it be that NSDAP and the rockefellers are able to communicate with Lord Enlil, and are guarding access to him?
or
they are trying to do their own thing independent of Lord Enlil and don't want him to know?
or
they are taking orders, jehovah was always media shy, and are trying to keep his identity secret?
or
the NSDAP contacted Aldebaran which tipped off Enki, and the rockefellers, working for Enlil, have been working overtime to put a lid on any future communication between Earth and Aldebaran.
Saturday is fast approaching. i hope this is figured out in time.
kersley
20th May 2011, 07:59
Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling? I have a problem with this.
Let me explain.. Longevity is only possible on their home planet, not here on earth. Yes I know all about the Elixir drink they drank to have long lives BUT.
When Absu came for a state visit with King Anu. He greeted The 2 prince Enlil,Enki. Enki asked, do i know you? Absu replied, Back on our home planet we grew up together, With amazement Enki couldn't figure out why he was bearded, wrinkles, hunch back, looking old when Absu was still looking young and fresh like me,lol. It even tells how King Anu looked much younger then his 2 sons. Surely Enki and Enlil would have kicked the bucket by now?
And don't forget, Enki handed his prince status down to his son Marduk (also known as Thoth) who took over earth. All this happened because the great Galzu appeared to them in a vision.(Galzu is the all seeing, all knowing, supreme GOD)
Read some more from the lost book of Enki, You guys on this thread would love it. If I don't sound to clever, please forgive me, English is not my first language. It's hard thinking in my native tongue, ad having to translate to English.
Have a great day everyone.
K
Gustav
20th May 2011, 08:38
If there were separate parties that moved around the world to locate places that were inhabited by a 'superrace' (I have come to think that the superrace is nothing more than a more enlightened human race, but that is maybe something for a different topic) than in the nature of the universe there are positive and negative parties. If enlil/jehovah (don't know if thery are the same, would like to know the link between the two!) is the eye overseeing it all, than someone else must be the 'good guys'. At least from the point of view that I see that what that pyramid represents is not good. So, in that respect enlil would represent 'not good'.
Another party, of which the NSDAP or at least it's leadership or at least parts of its leadership are influenced by or have knowledge of or are spiritually descending from either the same race or a different one as Enlil than would represent the good side. At least, that is what the spiritual implications of the holocaust thread have learned me. That there is a move to keep the germanic population tied spiritually, which can only be explained as not good, since what was done in the beginning was nothing more than escaping (succesfully) the banking system. Which brings us to the more worldly level.
The role Rockefeller could play, and I don't know which one of them, is the one fueling the NSDAP with money to start them up, help them in the beginning, or introducing the heads of the NSDAP to people who knew more about this topic?
Are you saying that Enlil, Enki is still alive and controlling?
Thanks for your post (as well as all others keeping the ball rolling here) :roll:
I believe he referred to the Enki *faction* ... unless Enki himself was menioned somewhere else and I missed it.
The Enlil all seeing eye hint might imply Enlil is still alive?
jimbojp
20th May 2011, 11:55
Hello everyone, brilliant thread Lord Sid, you're making me think lots!
So are the Rockefellers followers of Enlil, and the NSDAP followers of Enki?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 13:18
Who is better for Humanity, Enlil or Enki?
jimbojp
20th May 2011, 14:13
Who is better for Humanity, Enlil or Enki?
None of them, or both of them.
I mean if you choose one the other one is going to get jealous?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 15:34
Who is better for Humanity, Enlil or Enki?
None of them, or both of them.
I mean if you choose one the other one is going to get jealous?
Enki's journey to Nibru: c.1.1.4
In the shrine of Nibru, Enki provided a meal for Enlil, his father. He seated An at the head of the table and seated Enlil next to An. He seated Nintur in the place of honour and seated the Anuna gods at the adjacent places (?)
The death of Gilgameš: c.1.8.1.3
(1 line fragmentary) …… Gilgameš ……. Enlil's advice was given to Enki. Enki answered An and Enlil: "In those days, in those distant days, in those nights, in those distant nights, in those years, in those distant years, after the assembly had made the Flood sweep over to destroy the seed of mankind ……, among us I was the only one who was for life (?). He remained alive (?); Zi-ud-sura alone, although (?) a human being, remained alive (?). Then you made me swear by heaven and by earth, and I swore that no human will be allowed to live forever (?) any more.
The death of Gilgameš: c.1.8.1.3
…… Lord Gilgameš despaired and felt depressed. For all the people, whoever they may be, funerary statues are made for future days, and set aside in the temples of the gods. Their names, once uttered, do not sink into oblivion. Aruru, the older sister of Enlil, provides them with offspring for that purpose (?). Their statues are made for future days and they are mentioned in the Land.
The rulers of Lagaš: c.2.1.2
After the flood had swept over and brought about the destruction of the countries; when mankind was made to endure, and the seed of mankind was preserved and the black-headed people all rose; when An and Enlil called the name of mankind and established rulership, but kingship and the crown of the city had not yet come out from heaven, and Ninĝirsu had not yet established for the multitude of well-guarded (?) people the pickaxe, the spade, the earth basket and the plough, which mean life for the Land -- in those days, the carefree youth of man lasted for 100 years and, following his upbringing, he lasted for another 100 years.
The rulers of Lagaš: c.2.1.2
En-akigalaguba: his personal god was ……, he dug the canal Niĝin-ĝiš-tukuam, he acted for 1200 years. In those days there was no writing, ……, canals were not dug, earth baskets were not carried. In those days, ……, the people …… offerings of refined gold (2 lines uncertain)a good shepherd rose over the Land; he gave them (?) …… as a gift. En-Ninĝirsu-ki-aĝ, the son of En-akigalaguba: he acted for 1320 years. En-Enlile-ki-aĝ, the son of En-Ninĝirsu-ki-aĝ: he acted for 1800 years. Ur-Bau the son of En-Enlile-ki-aĝ: he acted for 900 years.
The rulers of Lagaš: c.2.1.2
(2 lines missing) he dug the Maḫ canal, the …… canal, the Piriĝgin-ĝen canal, the …… canal, the Piriĝ canal at the mouth of the Lugal canal, the Gana-hili-ana canal, the …… canal, and the Nanše-pada canal. To care, single-handedly, for the great arable lands, he dug irrigation ditches and ……, he acted for 2220 years. Ur-Nanše, the son of ……, who built the E-Sirara, her temple of happiness and Niĝin, her beloved city, acted for 1080 years. Ane-tum, the son of Ur-Nanše, in whose …… place the gods stood, who …… the land register of great Enlil: his personal god was Šul-utul, he acted for 690 years. ……, the son of Ane-tum: he acted for X + 360 years.
The rulers of Lagaš: c.2.1.2
En-Enlile-su: he acted for 600 years. ……, the son of En-Enlile-su: his personal god was Ninazu; he acted for 660 years.
You, Enlil, are lord, god, king. You are a judge who makes decisions about heaven and earth. Your lofty word is as heavy as heaven, and there is no one who can lift it. The Anuna gods …… at your word. Your word is weighty in heaven, a foundation on the earth. In the heavens, it is a great ……, reaching up to the sky. On the earth it is a foundation which cannot be destroyed. When it relates to the heavens, it brings abundance: abundance will pour from the heavens. When it relates to the earth, it brings prosperity: the earth will produce prosperity. Your word means flax, your word means grain. Your word means the early flooding, the life of the lands. It makes the living creatures, the animals (?) which copulate and breathe joyfully in the greenery. You, Enlil, the good shepherd, know their ways (?). …… the sparkling stars.
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 15:35
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 15:40
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
The plot thickens
:pop2:
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 16:18
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 16:44
Tell me what the artifacts were? and I might be able to find out why.
I ordered Himmlers crusade but not arrived yet.
Andrew
20th May 2011, 17:12
Probably to build a stargate/UFO.
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 17:26
The artifacts are not that relevant in what they were.
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 19:12
Who is better for Humanity, Enlil or Enki?
Lord Enki by far. Like no contest type of deal. I think Lord Enki would be a cool deity to hang out with. He is very wise, and likes to have a good time. There is a reason why he is the father of mankind, hehe.
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 19:23
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 19:45
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???
Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.
Gustav
20th May 2011, 19:51
interesting turns! I am just pouring out my thouhts here. In any case I always found it strange indeed that the SS would have an archaelogy department when they were supposed to be the evil guys that had no sense of the more interesting things in life. That said, artifacts they were looking for, I only know of the story of the spear that supposedly pierced jesus while hanging on the cross. I know of (at least) one excursion to tibet and thanks to randles I now know that there was interest in the Canary Islands as well. They were looking for artefacts yes. Artefacts that belonged to enki or enlil and could help in either reconciliation between the two, defense against the other or just as decorative objects in Hitler's lair?
Those assumptions would lead me to think that they were actively engaging in trying to locate ancient civilization. Not civilizations, but the original one. Perhaps only to understand the issue better, but that would be too easy, since if they were aware of this enki/enlil matter, than they would already understand the issue at hand. So, than are the stories and reports of the links with antarctica and a possible hollow earth of interest. Interestingly randles mentioned the same thing. That the nazi's/ss were at the Canary Islands (also) in their investigation into hollow earth matter.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
Because they knew where to look (at). Or just had an incredible amout of luck? :rolleyes:
=== Added ===
Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.
Ok. You. Have. My. Attention.
norman
20th May 2011, 19:55
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
Because they knew where to look (at). Or just had an incredible amout of luck? :rolleyes:
"Rome" wanted some of it's possessions and pride back?
Mad Hatter
20th May 2011, 19:59
Mad Hatter stabs furiously into the darkness with his broken torch...
Thrust...Was he found in Tibet? If so would Enki be considered Avalokitesvara, the bodhisattva of compassion.
Parry...Antartica somewhere...?....
PS Fascinating thread ppl
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 20:02
Why did the Tibetans sign a treaty with the Reich?
And why were there tibetan monks in Berlin when the soviets captured it?
Mad Hatter
20th May 2011, 20:08
A man prominent in the German Third Reich, General Karl Haushofer, was
a Nazi who was a Tibetan initiate:
"A frequent visitor to Landsberg Prison where Hitler was writing Mein
Kampf with the help of Rudolf Hess, was General Karl Haushofer, a
university professor and director of the Munich Institute of
Geopolitics. Haushofer, Hitler, and Hess had long conversations
together. Hess also kept records of these conversations. Hitler's
demands for German "Living Space" in the east at the expense of the
Slavic nations were based on the geopolitical theories of the learned
professor. Haushofer was also inclined toward the esoteric. as
military attache in Japan, he had studied Zen-Buddhism. He had also
gone through initiations at the hands of Tibetan Lamas. He became
Hitler's second "esoteric mentor", replacing Dietrich Eckart.
"In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril
Society. The lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan
race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of
"Vril". Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and
metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff).
"Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with
secret Tibetan Lodges that possessed the secret of the "Superman". The
lodge included Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Goring, and Hitler's
subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that
Aleister Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler.
"Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if
one keeps in mind that he had access to the "secret" psychological
techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques
of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis
and the Tibetan Lamas- and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of
the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon.
"From The Unknown Hitler by Wulf Schwartzwaller, Berkeley Books, 1990"
I couldn't fathom Tibetan monks becoming Nazis, so I looked for Nazis
who might have explored the Tibetan path. The other man you seek (or
men, it may turn out) will probably be found by perusing print volumes
related to the Thule Society and Karl Haushofer. (I stress again, the
information is probably primary to print volumes concerning Nazis
and/or the occult).
At the same site from which the book quote was taken, I located
information concerning the Thule Society
http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html
More information on Hitler and the occult may be found at
http://www.crystalinks.com/hitler.html
To read more about the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society, visit
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Vril_Society.htm
I believe by exploring the life of Karl Haushofer, you will discover
the Tibetan connection, and how two or more "monks" could have been
soldiers for the Third Reich. I hope this is the information for
which you are looking.
source http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=18654 believe it or not!!
Andrew
20th May 2011, 20:08
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???
Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.
So they found the artifacts, information and technology, so they could get to Enki?
The war was really about them gathering the information and collecting artifacts, so they could build a stargate/portal or UFO to travel too Aldebaren?
That is why they just surrendered because there bosses had left?
It wasn't about the weapons, they stopped work on the atom (probably realized how bad it was) it was about the Stargate/portal/UFO tech?
Rockefeller figured this out took the scientist tech and made weapons also covered up the real reasons of the war to further there own empire?
They are now doing the same thing we say the Nazi's were doing?
Enki is on his way back to Earth?
Rockefeller empire is preparing to fight them off?
davyj0nes
20th May 2011, 20:55
i do believe a recap is in order. for the kiddies at home and those just joining us. Also one loose thread needs finishing, how are the rockefellers involved.
Is it after the vril society left for parts unknown the rockefellers being the financiers to the 3rd reich came into possession of the technology left behind?
or
did hitler give the major financiers keys to Lord Enlil's throne room, thus enabling them to become the command and control system we have today?
nearing
20th May 2011, 21:16
BUT...
If we are all souls riding around in a body and are looking to ascend out of 3D asap, why do we really CARE about the history or the machinations of the 3D level?
I see these stories here all of the time and really wonder why everyone is so fixated on 3D history. Same with the silly bloodline garbage that the Charles material brought to Avalon. Eye color and all that.
Isn't the fixation a way of keeping you here?
Honestly, let it go. Look FORWARD, stop looking back. It bonds you to the 3D realm, something TPTW surely love.
karelia
20th May 2011, 21:19
If we are all souls riding around in a body and are looking to ascend out of 3D asap, why do we really CARE about the history or the machinations of the 3D level?
Because it's all about finding the truth. Only the truth will set us free.
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 21:24
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???
Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.
So they found the artifacts, information and technology, so they could get to Enki?
The war was really about them gathering the information and collecting artifacts, so they could build a stargate/portal or UFO to travel too Aldebaren?
That is why they just surrendered because there bosses had left?
It wasn't about the weapons, they stopped work on the atom (probably realized how bad it was) it was about the Stargate/portal/UFO tech?
Rockefeller figured this out took the scientist tech and made weapons also covered up the real reasons of the war to further there own empire?
They are now doing the same thing we say the Nazi's were doing?
Enki is on his way back to Earth?
Rockefeller empire is preparing to fight them off?
Questions a dime a dozen today? :p
I think you will find that a major emphasis of the NSDAP was the origins of the Germans and that leads to the aryans. So, they had to go back to their roots and that leads to Enki.
The artifacts contained info, some of it resulting in technology, some of it in more esoteric knowledge.
As I already said on the forum, the OKW, the Oberkommando Der Wehrmacht, the high command, were the ones who surrendered, not the Reich.
The atom bomb may have gone all the way through and become operational. There are stories that the two different bombs that were used on Japan were captured from Germany.
The nwo are making up all sorts of stories to cover up much of this and make their enemy look worse than the devil would to a christian.
I think Enki was always here, as is Marduk and Enlil.
i do believe a recap is in order. for the kiddies at home and those just joining us. Also one loose thread needs finishing, how are the rockefellers involved.
Is it after the vril society left for parts unknown the rockefellers being the financiers to the 3rd reich came into possession of the technology left behind?
or
did hitler give the major financiers keys to Lord Enlil's throne room, thus enabling them to become the command and control system we have today?
The rockefellers are the enemy of the Reich, they don't want you to discover one of the main reasons the NSDAP existed.
BUT...
If we are all souls riding around in a body and are looking to ascend out of 3D asap, why do we really CARE about the history or the machinations of the 3D level?
I see these stories here all of the time and really wonder why everyone is so fixated on 3D history. Same with the silly bloodline garbage that the Charles material brought to Avalon. Eye color and all that.
Isn't the fixation a way of keeping you here?
Honestly, let it go. Look FORWARD, stop looking back. It bonds you to the 3D realm, something TPTW surely love.
He who controls the past controls the future.
Plus, you wanna know the meaning of life? The reason we exist here?
To attain wisdom.
How do you do that with concepts based on mistruth and lies?
Andrew
20th May 2011, 21:26
BUT...
If we are all souls riding around in a body and are looking to ascend out of 3D asap, why do we really CARE about the history or the machinations of the 3D level?
I see these stories here all of the time and really wonder why everyone is so fixated on 3D history. Same with the silly bloodline garbage that the Charles material brought to Avalon. Eye color and all that.
Isn't the fixation a way of keeping you here?
Honestly, let it go. Look FORWARD, stop looking back. It bonds you to the 3D realm, something TPTW surely love.
Who wants to ascend asap? I might of only just got in this body and not had one in a long time! maybe I've been a wisp for millennia and I've come to stretch my legs?
Knowing history helps make decisions for the future.
nearing
20th May 2011, 21:39
All of this history you guys are drooling over has to do with POWER and control of the material world. It means nothing in the Big Picture.
If you want to stay and be fascinated by this stuff - fine, that's your path. I just thought I'd point out that it's a VERY narrow view. There are many other dimensions beyond the material.
Carry on.
Andrew
20th May 2011, 21:46
So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?
And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)
Water on the Moon? No Nazis.
karelia
20th May 2011, 21:48
All of this history you guys are drooling over has to do with POWER and control of the material world. It means nothing in the Big Picture.
If you want to stay and be fascinated by this stuff - fine, that's your path. I just thought I'd point out that it's a VERY narrow view. There are many other dimensions beyond the material.
Carry on.
May I point out that nobody here is drooling.
Your truth is not necessarily the truth, just sayin'.
karelia
20th May 2011, 21:55
So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?
And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)
The war has never stopped. As Lord Sid pointed out, it was the Wehrmacht that capitulated unconditionally. The country NEVER capitulated. To this day, there is no peace treaty between the Allies and Germany. Germany does not have a constitution. If you wish to become a lawyer in Germany, you have to have the consent of the Allies. If they don't give it, tough; you can't practice then. This war has been going on and on and on. The only difference between pre-1945 and post-1945 is that the war continued behind the scenes, invisible to the public.
When Byrd went on his Antarctic "expedition," it was barely veiled as such; it was meant to be an invasion, but he was defeated within days. When in 1958, the US nuked Antarctica three times in the course of a month (August/September), it was another act of war against the Germans.
Andrew
20th May 2011, 21:58
So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?
And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)
The war has never stopped. As Lord Sid pointed out, it was the Wehrmacht that capitulated unconditionally. The country NEVER capitulated. To this day, there is no peace treaty between the Allies and Germany. Germany does not have a constitution. If you wish to become a lawyer in Germany, you have to have the consent of the Allies. If they don't give it, tough; you can't practice then. This war has been going on and on and on. The only difference between pre-1945 and post-1945 is that the war continued behind the scenes, invisible to the public.
When Byrd went on his Antarctic "expedition," it was barely veiled as such; it was meant to be an invasion, but he was defeated within days. When in 1958, the US nuked Antarctica three times in the course of a month (August/September), it was another act of war against the Germans.
That is why we wanted Falkland Islands? Off Argentina who give exile to them.
karelia
20th May 2011, 22:01
Thats why we wanted Falkland Islands?
I'm pretty sure it has something to do with that, though digging for info on that one has been a pretty futile attempt.
Lord Sidious
20th May 2011, 22:04
So is there war taking place now, with the Reich who are at the Antarctica?
And on the Moon. (? they were on the moon when we got there)
Water on the Moon? No Nazis.
Seeing as the Reich did not surrender, yes, the war continues.
Is part of the Reich in Neuschwabenland? I don't know, but I bet you it could cost your life to try and find out.
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 01:05
so, the next thing to do would be to take an expedition in Antarctica.
karelia
21st May 2011, 01:08
so, the next thing to do would be to take an expedition in Antarctica.
Yeah. Unfortunately, tptw won't let us go where we want to go. They have one heck of a lot to hide around the poles...
TWINCANS
21st May 2011, 01:21
Let me put this to you.
Enlil wanted to wipe us out, Enki did not.
Enlil/jehovah is a homocidal maniac, but the question would be why?
Because we helped the Enki faction to beat Enlils faction in the war/s described in the vedas.
The genocide is a form of revenge.
The NSDAP knew that the forces controlling the world were lead by either a supernatural being or an extraterrestrial.
Goebbels gave a speech saying this, I have it in hard copy, but I can't find anything online.
Now, the next question, why did the SS have an archeology section and what were they looking for?
They were looking for the Ark?
Aha, Raiders of the Lost Ark?
Yes.
And no.
They were looking for artifacts and found many.
Why?
were the SS was looking for a way to defeat Lord Enlil???
Very close.
I believe they were looking for Enki.
And they may have found him too.
So they found the artifacts, information and technology, so they could get to Enki?
The war was really about them gathering the information and collecting artifacts, so they could build a stargate/portal or UFO to travel too Aldebaren?
That is why they just surrendered because there bosses had left?
It wasn't about the weapons, they stopped work on the atom (probably realized how bad it was) it was about the Stargate/portal/UFO tech?
Rockefeller figured this out took the scientist tech and made weapons also covered up the real reasons of the war to further there own empire?
They are now doing the same thing we say the Nazi's were doing?
Enki is on his way back to Earth?
Rockefeller empire is preparing to fight them off?
Questions a dime a dozen today? :p
I think you will find that a major emphasis of the NSDAP was the origins of the Germans and that leads to the aryans. So, they had to go back to their roots and that leads to Enki.
The artifacts contained info, some of it resulting in technology, some of it in more esoteric knowledge.
As I already said on the forum, the OKW, the Oberkommando Der Wehrmacht, the high command, were the ones who surrendered, not the Reich.
The atom bomb may have gone all the way through and become operational. There are stories that the two different bombs that were used on Japan were captured from Germany.
The nwo are making up all sorts of stories to cover up much of this and make their enemy look worse than the devil would to a christian.
I think Enki was always here, as is Marduk and Enlil.
i do believe a recap is in order. for the kiddies at home and those just joining us. Also one loose thread needs finishing, how are the rockefellers involved.
Is it after the vril society left for parts unknown the rockefellers being the financiers to the 3rd reich came into possession of the technology left behind?
or
did hitler give the major financiers keys to Lord Enlil's throne room, thus enabling them to become the command and control system we have today?
The rockefellers are the enemy of the Reich, they don't want you to discover one of the main reasons the NSDAP existed.
------
I actually thought Enlil and Enki were brothers. (Also that their battle was a nuclear war, very destructive) But if the NSDAP were looking for the roots of the german peoples (which BTW applies to many Europeans not just Germans), wouldn't they arrive at both brothers not just Enki?
If the Enlil faction is out to annihilate humans, why would the Rockefellers think that Enlil cares about them and will spare them? They are after all just humans like all of us.
I read from Drunvalo Melchizadek that he has been working with Marduk/Thoth for years, but that Thoth has now left earth.
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 01:26
i just found an interesting article that goes into this very topic. In it, the article touches on why the nazi's were in tibet and a possible ufo crash there. here is a link to the article (http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/25-05-2007/92157-nazi_germany-0/). I guess the closer Lord Enki gets to Earth, the more is being revealed.
Lord Sidious
21st May 2011, 01:39
so, the next thing to do would be to take an expedition in Antarctica.
Let's just say that parts of the Reich are down there.
Do you think they would be happy to see you?
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I actually thought Enlil and Enki were brothers. (Also that their battle was a nuclear war, very destructive) But if the NSDAP were looking for the roots of the german peoples (which BTW applies to many Europeans not just Germans), wouldn't they arrive at both brothers not just Enki?
If the Enlil faction is out to annihilate humans, why would the Rockefellers think that Enlil cares about them and will spare them? They are after all just humans like all of us.
I read from Drunvalo Melchizadek that he has been working with Marduk/Thoth for years, but that Thoth has now left earth.
From what I can figure, yes, they are brothers but they are also adversaries.
Did I mention yet that satan is hebrew for adversary? :cool:
Yes, of course the roots of the Germans will mean other euros too, but the D in NSDAP is for German, not euro, so the focus would have been narrow because of it.
If you figure that jehovah is enlil and he is out to wipe you out, you wouldn't buy him roses and be around there for valentines day, no?
So enki would be the one that could help to end the reign of the new world order on this planet and so put a stop to the systems that are destroying us and the planet.
I don't know what the rockefellers are following enlil for, what he has promised them and I don't care either.
It is quite possible that marduk left, but I would need to see something concrete on that.
i just found an interesting article that goes into this very topic. In it, the article touches on why the nazi's were in tibet and a possible ufo crash there. here is a link to the article (http://english.pravda.ru/science/mysteries/25-05-2007/92157-nazi_germany-0/). I guess the closer Lord Enki gets to Earth, the more is being revealed.
Thanks for that article Leo, look what I found in it.
Before Hitler came to power national socialists had been developing projects meant to find the origins of the legendary Aryans and the location of legendary Shambala.
Just like I was telling you guys.
TWINCANS
21st May 2011, 02:55
I found quite a few references to Marduk as Ra, to Thoth as Hermes, and Enki as Ptah.
Also 1991 was the date that Thoth apparently left earth according to Drunvalo. I can't find any corroboration but Drunvalo's word for that.
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 04:19
Just surfing the web, and i found this blogspot blog. pretty much reiterating what has been spoken about here already. interesting, stuff.
http://byrdeye.blogspot.com (http://byrdeye.blogspot.com/2008/05/hitlers-orientalized-beraryan.html)
Wow :shocked:
First full sleep I have had in over a week and, low and behold, when I come back just look at all the dots and nuggets connected!!!
Great work everyone. :thumb:
Thanks to m'lord for giving us a whole new lens to consider "history" with :nerd:
Lord Sidious
21st May 2011, 04:36
Just surfing the web, and i found this blogspot blog. pretty much reiterating what has been spoken about here already. interesting, stuff.
http://byrdeye.blogspot.com (http://byrdeye.blogspot.com/2008/05/hitlers-orientalized-beraryan.html)
Thanks Leo, that was an interesting read.
So you see now Uncle Sidious might not be as mad as you all thought?
All of this history you guys are drooling over has to do with POWER and control of the material world. It means nothing in the Big Picture.
If you want to stay and be fascinated by this stuff - fine, that's your path. I just thought I'd point out that it's a VERY narrow view. There are many other dimensions beyond the material.
Carry on.
Thank you nearing :)
Everyone is on a different place on a path with many many paths to choose from.
Some of the material covered in this thread is completely new to me so pardon me if I drool.
:spit:
:rain:
In fact ... I am hungry for more.
:hungry: :hungry: :hungry:
From my meager spiritual understanding ... part of the journey for those "down the path" is to share what they have learned along the way with those "following" them.
imho m'lord is doing a *masterful* job of doing just that and I am most grateful.
:thank_you2:
Long ago ... and far away ... in a thread long forgotten (thankfully several threads converged here) I asked about Jay Weidner's theory that the Aryans who have been under Tibet were nearing completion of their "escape" to Mars (underground facilities) based on what they suspected would happen this time around with the end of the cycle/solar event(s).
Jay brought this out with his Kerry radio interview (which last I checked the link no longer works) but also had an interview on Veritas saying virtually the same thing (first portion of interview free for non-members to listen to). Kerry, btw, had heard much the same from other of her "sources".
We have established on this thread the SS *may* have discovered Enki in Tibet (or at least means to communicate with him). Enlil not likely in same location as "at war" with Enki despite being brothers ... *possibly* in Anartica where the Nazi's relocated to. Moon or Mars???
Enki (or his faction) are "incoming".
My initial query regarding Weidner's assertion was bypassed to address the Enki/Enlil "good/bad" subject.
Does anyone have a feel for the logistics of pulling any of this together or is it still mostly speculative???
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 06:00
so, now that we have gotten this far, let me ask you about the holocaust, how/where/who/what/why does the holocaust fit in?
karelia
21st May 2011, 06:28
so, now that we have gotten this far, let me ask you about the holocaust, how/where/who/what/why does the holocaust fit in?
You'll probably find quite a few answers to that in this thread: A look beneath the Holocaust Propaganda (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12633-A-look-beneath-the-Holocaust-Propaganda-...)
Gustav
21st May 2011, 08:38
Ok, interesting turns have been taken, but Sidious as (main) provider in my view of these turns would you than also like to share where this information can be found or how your construct of thought has come about? Most of it can be found on the internet indeed. Going to Tibet, yes. Going to antarctica, yes. Scouring the earth for artefacts by the SS, yes. Admiral Byrd heading to Antarctica with his invasion force and being defeated/run off/found nothing, yes. What I would like to know is where or how did you start connecting dots so we can walk that path ourselves, because that is where real education starts. Or am I just being lazy now? ;)
Gustav
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Indeed, do go and watch the holocaust thread from the very beginning till the end. It was mindblowing for me and am happy to have been accompanied by those who went along for it was a careful journey
Adding a few somewhat off-topic musings.
Take a moment to stop and ponder just how effective the media cover-up and snow job propaganda has been regarding most aspects of WW2. I guess 139K went a *long ways* back in that day.
So stop and reflect how that could occur.
No internet back then I would suggest had a lot to do with it. When talking about the WW2 era ... even the television was in it's infancy. Before my time but a lot of the war "news" (propaganda) was disseminated on the "news reels" at the movie theaters.
Kerry recently brought up Peter Beter on her blog. First I had heard of him was through Wilcock. He ran a series of post war "conspiracy" audio tapes on a subscription basis (now available for free on the internet).
Going to post a small portion of a summary of his take on the "global political" scene which goes into depth (if you follow the links) regarding the rockefeller group. He depicts two other major players but interestly does not go into the nazis (at least directly by name unless suggesting that is the Bolshevik-Zionist Axis). His audio reports spanned 1975-1982 30 years since the end of WW2. (see below for addition)
Anyway ... a snippet of the summary, a link to the summary and if you are interested from there you will find the link to the site were all the audios can be found:
Politics: The Three Rival Factions for World Power
Decades ago Franklin D. Roosevelt said: “Nothing in politics ever happens
by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”
Decades earlier Benjamin Disraeli, famed as the Victorian-era Prime Minister
of Britain, wrote: “The world is governed by people far different from those
imagined by the public.”
Taken together, these two statements illustrate the basic premise which
underlies all of the Dr. Beter AUDIO LETTER tape reports. This premise is that
major events in politics, economics and international relations are the products
of deliberate moves by largely unseen power factions in the world. All of
these factions seek to increase their influence over us, the general population
of the world. Each one also wishes to increase its own power at the expense of
the other power factions.
Thus there is an ongoing power struggle of titanic dimensions which
constantly shapes the news, yet which is little understood–indeed
unsuspected–by most people. If these forces are not recognized or understood,
current events are inherently baffling, no matter how diligently one may follow
the news. This leaves even the best-educated and most intelligent of persons
vulnerable to manipulation to suit the purposes of those who pull the strings
behind the scenes. By contrast, if the largely unseen forces are known and
understood, major events become far more understandable and even, to some
extent, predictable. Those informed about these things become far less
vulnerable and more difficult to fool by manipulated news and news events.
*** snip ***
Over the course of the 80 AUDIO LETTER tape reports, Dr. Beter reveals that
three primary power factions are at work in the world today:
1. The Rockefeller Cartel
2. The Bolshevik-Zionist Axis
3. The New Kremlin Rulers
These factions as such have existed for the past century or so, and their
relationships with one another have been in a constant state of flux. Their
roots, however, are much older and can be traced backward in time for many
centuries .
*** adding more for clarification ***
2. The Bolshevik-Zionist Axis
In 1917, during the height of World War I, two events took place which were
destined to shape much of the history of the Twentieth Century. One was the
Bolshevik Revolution in Russia. The other was the Balfour Declaration, by
which the government of Britain threw its support behind the concept of creating
a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
Both Bolshevism and the political force known as Zionism have common roots
which are not widely known. Both were created by the Rothschild interests,
whose support was also responsible for the meteoric rise to riches of John D.
Rockefeller, Sr., a century ago. Bolshevism and Zionism also have common
historical roots in the so-called “Kingdom of the Jews” of a thousand years ago.
This kingdom was situated in what is now southern Russia, between the Black
and Caspian Seas. It consisted of a people known as the Khazars of a
Mongol-Turkic origin whose leader officially adopted Judaism as the state
r eligion. This was done as a political ploy to enable Khazaria to maintain its
political independence of two powerful neighbors. These were the super-powers
of that day: the Moslem empire of the Caliphs to the South and the Christian
empire of Byzantium to the west.
3. The New Kremlin Rulers
Dr. Beter first revealed in late 1977 that a new, non-Bolshevik ruling group
had taken the reins of top power in the Soviet Union. In the autumn of 1978,
he devoted a complete AUDIO LETTER tape (#38) to a special report on Russia and
her new rulers.
To those who depend upon pronouncements of the United States Government for
their image of Russia, Dr. Beter’s reports about the New Kremlin tend to come as
a distinct shock. Unlike the atheistic, Satanic Bolsheviks recently
overthrown, Russia’s new top rulers are members of a sect of native Russian
Christians. This sect is at least two centuries old, and at times had
considerable influence with the Czars.
Dr. Beter cautions his listeners not to assume that the New Kremlin rulers
look at everything in the same way as Western Christians might. For one thing,
he points out that it required a patient, arduous campaign of six decades for
them to oust the Bolsheviks from top power in Russia. That experience has left
them with very definite, vivid opinions about what does and does not work when
dealing with people like the Bolsheviks and Zionists. They also know that
rapid, radical change of any type opens the door for revolution–and where there
is revolution, Bolshevik-Zionist agents will be there to exploit it. They are
introducing liberalizing changes in Russia gradually, one step at a time.
Having come this far, they are trying not to move too fast and thereby risk
allowing it all to be undone.
http://quantumpranx.wordpress.com/the-extraordinary-life-and-work-of-dr-peter-d-beter/
*** Adding ***
Not trying to get anybody worked up here ... looking for background of Boshevik-Zionist Axis in relationship to the Nazis.
Nazi Germany
Walter Laqueur traces the Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy theory to Nazi ideologue Alfred Rosenberg, for whom Bolshevism was "the revolt of the Jewish, Slavic and Mongolian races against the German (Aryan) element in Russia". Germans, according to Rosenberg, had been responsible for Russia's historic achievements and had been sidelined by the Bolsheviks, who did not represent the interests of the Russian people, but instead those of its ethnic Jewish and Chinese population.[26]
In Nazi Germany, this concept of Jewish Bolshevism reflected a common perception that Communism was a Jewish-inspired and Jewish-led movement seeking world domination from its origin. The term was popularized in print in German journalist Dietrich Eckhart's 1924 pamphlet "Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin" ("Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin") which depicted Moses and Lenin as both being Communists and Jews. This was followed by Alfred Rosenberg's 1923 edition of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Hitler's Mein Kampf in 1924, which saw Bolshevism as "Jewry's twentieth century effort to take world dominion unto itself."
Caricatures of Bolshevik leaders from Alfred Rosenberg's The Jewish BolshevismAccording to French spymaster and writer Henri Rollin, "Hitlerism" was based on "anti-Soviet counter-revolution" promoting the "myth of a mysterious Jewish-Masonic-Bolshevik plot", entailing that the First World War had been instigated by a vast Jewish-Masonic conspiracy to topple the Russian, German, and Austro-Hungarian Empires and implement Bolshevism by fomenting liberal ideas. [27]
A major source for propaganda about Jewish Bolshevism in the 1930s and early 1940s was the pro-Nazi and antisemitic international Welt-Dienst news agency founded in 1933 by Ulrich Fleischhauer.
Within the German Army, a tendency to see Soviet Communism as a Jewish conspiracy had grown since the First World War, something that became officialised under the Nazis. A 1932 pamphlet by Ewald Banse of the Government-financed German National Association for the Military Sciences described the Soviet leadership as mostly Jewish, dominating an apathetic and mindless Russian population.[28]
1941 Nazi propaganda poster in the Lithuanian language, equating Stalinism with the Jews. The text reads "The Jew is our enemy forever".Propaganda produced in 1935 by the psychological war laboratory of the German War Ministry described Soviet officials as "mostly filthy Jews" and called on Red Army soldiers to rise up and kill their "Jewish comissars". This material was not used at the time, but served as a basis for propaganda in the 1940s.[29]
In his speech to the Reichstag justifying Operation Barbarossa in 1941, Hitler said:
“For more than two decades the Jewish Bolshevik regime in Moscow had tried to set fire not merely to Germany but to all of Europe…The Jewish Bolshevik rulers in Moscow have unswervingly undertaken to force their domination upon us and the other European nations and that is not merely spiritually, but also in terms of military power…Now the time has come to confront the plot of the Anglo-Saxon Jewish war-mongers and the equally Jewish rulers of the Bolshevik centre in Moscow!”[30]
Nazi propaganda presented Barbarossa as an ideological-racial war between German National Socialism and “Judeo-Bolshevism”, dehumanising the Soviet enemy as a force of Slavic Untermensch (sub-humans) and “Asiatic” savages engaging in “barbaric Asiatic fighting methods” commanded by evil Jewish commissars whom German troops were to grant no mercy.[31] The vast majority of the Wehrmacht officers and soldiers tended to regard the war in Nazi terms, seeing their Soviet opponents as sub-human.[32] As a result of these views, the German Army worked enthusiastically with the SS in murdering Jews in the Soviet Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
jimbojp
21st May 2011, 11:04
So then, the hitler was looking for the lost kingdom of shambhala.
Don't know if this is of any use, this is taken from the book, Shambhala the sacred path of the warrior by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche.
"Among the Tibetan people, there is a popular belief that the kingdom of shambhala can still be found, hidden in a remote valley somewhere in the Himalayas. There are, as well, a number of Buddhists texts that give detailed but obscure directions for reaching Shambhala, but there are mixed opinions as to whether these should be taken literally or mataphorically. There are also many texts that give elaborate descriptions of the kingdom. For example, according to the Great Commentary on the Kalacakra b the renowned nineteenth century Buddhist teacher Mipham, the land of Shambhala is north of the river Sita and the country is divided by eight mountain ranges. The palace of the Rigdens, or the imperial rulers of Shambhala, is built on top of a circular mountain in the centre of the country. This mountain, Mipham tells us is named Kailasa, The palace, which is called the palace of Kalapa, comprises many square miles. In front of it to the south is a beautiful park known as Malaya, and in the middle of the park is a temple devoted to Kalacakra that was built by Dawa Sangpo."
I read a fair amount of the info here and see a lot of bikkering as well...
I think in order to think clearly and understand all the goings on, one has to put the evil deeds of the time out of the equasion for the time being... so many things are happening today who's roots go back to wwII.
I posted this earlier but have a look here a revival of the Vril now in Italy, by one of it's former members. this site seems to have gone a little quite there was much more info on here earlier...
http://www.causa-nostra.com/navi/Rueckblick.htm
This discusion is not an issue of who is right or wrong. who is white or black or yellow or red... if this comes into play you could never accept it when another race appears from beyond...
Racism, is within every race like it or not. and the word is used by many to get their own way... put this aside and learn... you are not the first nor will you be the last!
everything that has been, will be again...
ghostrider
21st May 2011, 14:55
If we all came from adam and eve, we all look the same, and there should be one race, all german, or indian, or korean, or russian. we should not have different races, different eye color, different hair color, different skin color. human beings were brought here, we are not native to earth.
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 16:03
Kerry recently brought up Peter Beter on her blog. First I had heard of him was through Wilcock. He ran a series of post war "conspiracy" audio tapes on a subscription basis (now available for free on the internet).
i just read Dr. Beter #80 audio letter (http://www.peterdavidbeter.com/docs/all/dbal80.html), and it quite shocking. In it, Dr. Beter talks about the collapse of banks due to bad debt. If i didn't know better I would say he was speaking about current events, but he was talking about the economic downturn of the 1980's! curiouser, and curiouser. its like we're living thru the 80's all over again. (cern perhaps)
224509
Kerry recently ...
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Mods ... why are we starting to see numbers rather than names in quotes???
Any ideas?
I have seen this several times now.
:cow: :mod: :noidea: :thank_you2:
Lord Sidious
21st May 2011, 16:23
Ok, interesting turns have been taken, but Sidious as (main) provider in my view of these turns would you than also like to share where this information can be found or how your construct of thought has come about? Most of it can be found on the internet indeed. Going to Tibet, yes. Going to antarctica, yes. Scouring the earth for artefacts by the SS, yes. Admiral Byrd heading to Antarctica with his invasion force and being defeated/run off/found nothing, yes. What I would like to know is where or how did you start connecting dots so we can walk that path ourselves, because that is where real education starts. Or am I just being lazy now? ;)
Gustav
=== Added ===
Indeed, do go and watch the holocaust thread from the very beginning till the end. It was mindblowing for me and am happy to have been accompanied by those who went along for it was a careful journey
I have spent a lifetime reading.
Since I was about 11, I knew that what I was being told was not true.
So, off I went to find out for myself and that includes getting hold of NSDAP publications which isn't an easy task.
Plus, people I know met some of the ''famous'' types and told me about em.
A friend of mine, now passed, was Alex McClelland.
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/mcclelland/author.html
He met a few here and there who were major names in the Reich, including Otto Remer.
So my journey has taken me to places that are forbidden territory.
How do you think I can tell you these things?
Racism, is within every race like it or not. and the word is used by many to get their own way... put this aside and learn... you are not the first nor will you be the last!
everything that has been, will be again...
See, here is the thing, someone who likes to stick to their own culture/people is now characterised as racist, but that isn't the meaning of the word.
Maybe we will have a thread on the frankfurt school and discuss that too.
For me, I like to have the other groups/cultures in the world, but that isn't what ''diversity'' is about.
This is about all the groups mixing into one. Then we have one culture, one language and we lose all the others.
Now, where else do you hear about one religion, one government and the rest?
If we all came from adam and eve, we all look the same, and there should be one race, all german, or indian, or korean, or russian. we should not have different races, different eye color, different hair color, different skin color. human beings were brought here, we are not native to earth.
For me, I think that there was either a hominid or maybe two here that was the vessel that the dna was placed into for the splicing effect.
Different alien groups would have used the same one or two hominids, hence the ability of us all to breed together.
The hominid may have come from africa, hence that rediculous tale of us all originating there.
I look at it like this, we are all here now. We are all souls on a journey and we are all learning.
I used to be what you guys would call a racist/hater, but that isn't the case anymore, as I transcended religion, I transcended that too.
davyj0nes
21st May 2011, 16:37
omg, i just remembered an article about mongolian neo-nazis (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/02/mongolia-far-right).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqMFA9i1ua8
ThePythonicCow
21st May 2011, 16:50
224509
Kerry recently ...
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Mods ... why are we starting to see numbers rather than names in quotes???
Any ideas?
I have seen this several times now.
:cow: :mod: :noidea: :thank_you2:
It looks to me like LeoNorth was doing his best to trim down a quote from a post of yours to a suitably brief snippet, but changed the opening QUOTE bracket in a different way than you might expect.
I went back to LeoNorth's post (here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20586-Has-white-man-colonised-planet-Earth&p=224779&viewfull=1#post224779)) and changed his opening bracket from [QUOTE=224509] to [QUOTE=Calz_Avaretard;224509]. (P.S. -- Looks like LeoNorth undid my edit :p.)
But (except for trimming of irrelevant parts) left your (red highlighted) quote of LeoNorth's post as you had it, since the point of your post was that specific form of the quoting.
Trimming and formatting quoted text is not easy. Many posters find the details tricky. I don't know a universal solution. As soon as one current member figures it out on one side, we let in ten new members on the other side, some of whom will trip over the same tricky details.
Some members find it useful to try different things in the Sandbox thread: OK to practice posting here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14962-Sandbox-thread-OK-to-practice-posting-here) thread, until they find a way that works well for them.
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