Brazilians Forced to Embrace Homosexuality (Henry Makow's original title)

[ktlight]

The following article is from Henry Makow's article Brazilians Forced to Embrace Homosexuality (http://www.henrymakow.com/brazil_forced_to_embrace_homos.html) and does not necessarily reflect the views of ktlight or any other member of this forum. (This disclaimer added by Paul.)

There is a shadow hanging over democracy and basic human rights in Brazil. Its name is Law PLC122.

If this law is approved, any kind of moral, religious, philosophical or medical opinion against the homosexual lifestyle will subject the author to prison and heavy fines. Not only in the commercial media, but also in blogs, religious programs and even private conversations. Since the days of the Nazi Party and the Maoist Cultural revolution, we havent' seen such a blatant attack to human rights in this scale.

The radical movement is taking advantage of the momentum produced by the approval of gay civil unions by the Supreme Court last week, in an illegal usurpation of the function of the Congress. The law disrespects the Constitution, which could only be changed by the majority of Congressmen. Now the gay activists are planning a march for the bill in Brasilia, funded with money from NGOs, in order to coincide with the Global Anti-Homophobic Day in May17th.

A heavy media campaign has been in course for several years, where only pro-gay news are shown in the newspapers. A huge campaign of desensitization has also been promoted by Globo TV, through their soap operas, watched by the majority of the population. Most soap opera authors are either openly gay or communists. They have introduced during the last years romantic gay couples, stories of gays under persecution and finally gay French kisses, in what can only be described as social engineering. This month, they had a scene where a daughter reprimands his father, saying he could be arrested by telling his boss is "fruity", "because there is a new law coming".

A practical example of partiality was the wide coverage of an attack on a gay person by a punk, in Sao Paulo. Even if there was no evidence that the attacker knew the victim was gay, and that it occurred after midnight, in a dangerous situation for any person, this was debated for weeks on end. Most crimes against gays people in Brazil are committed by their own partners, or are related to drugs or prostitution, such as the case with transvestites (usually both addicts and prostitutes). There is almost zero real homofobia in Brazil. In my whole life, I have never seen a gay person be bullied.

On the other hand, we have seen several gay pedophile attacks (rapes and murders) on children, even by teachers inside schools. These are often neglected by the media and, when published, the journalist never writes the word homosexual.

Even this week, a large mall in a fashionable area in Sao Paulo had to put a security guard inside the bathroom, because gay men were having sex in public.

Their next move is to promote the "gay kit", a serie of DVDs produced by the government, showing explicit gay behavior in kids, to be shown to junior high students, in order to incentive the gay lifestyle. In the future, nothing will be impossible. Medical news, such as the recent study showing that gays have double the incidence of cancer, will be censored. Conservative blogs and religious radio and TV programs will be outlawed. If you fire a lazy, incompetent gay employee, you will go to jail. If you don't hire a gay person, you go to jail. If you quote a Bible passage about homosexuality, you go to jail. If you complain about two guys making out in a restaurant in front of your kids, you go to jail (the law specifically says so). The contents of this article would be enough to put me in jail. Society will be at mercy of a special caste, with special privileges. Even this week, a large mall in a fashionable area in Sao Paulo had to put a security guard inside the bathroom, because gay men were having sex in public.

The government, deeply involved in weekly corruption scandals in the order of billions of dollars, welcomes the distraction.

This law will make anal gay sex the most sacred, holy thing in Brazil. More than God, more than children. In the country, we have seen all kinds of desecration, such as images of Christ immersed in urine and even a gay man expelling a rosary from his rectum, in state-funded "art" events. This is considered self-expression.

The international media has treated Brazil as the next wonder in the world, especially after the Marxists took over the country. Don't be deceived. Brazil is one of the leading countries in the march to the new world order and the total destruction of moral and family values, a place that will make North Korea look like the land of the free.

source
http://www.henrymakow.com/brazil_forced_to_embrace_homos.html

[MariaDine]

They are living the Matrix...and until they wake up , one by one...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-lA6PeGL0k&feature=related



Namasté

[Marcelo Mendes]

Hi folks

I´m from Brazil and I´m not gay. But this thread is a complete nonsense. Is it Possible for someone that does not live in a country to try to judge what is happening there? I live here and could say that the ones that opposed the legalization of homosexual relationship are the religious people and the ultra right wing people. Midia is publicizing because this kind of news sells newspaper.

I think that this thread is very offensive and a outrage to Brazil and our people. I´m not being forced to embrace homosexuality and nobody that I know is being forced too. May be people does not know but, Brazil is not the first country to recognise that homosexual people live together and they have rights that HAS TO BE RESPECTED. I think that this took to much to happen.

Ktlight, stop talking about what you read if you don´t experience it or know it. Stop saying what you really don´t know because people just said it is. Before saying something try to think what you really, really, really know about that before saying nonsense. You may feel very unease if people out UK started to analise your country based in information from what newspapers and tvs consider is happening in there.

Namaste

Namaste

[ulli]

All valid points here.
And all I can add is that after my visit to Brasil in 1984 it is a huge and very diverse country.

Even if that law is passed they will never be able to enforce it.

In one of the shop windows there I saw Jesus pictures with his eye blinking, right next to a variety of sex toys.

Also looking at the bigger picture...we mustn't forget what's happening in Uganda right now and their law to bring capital punishment to homosexuals.

Homosexuality is one thing, indecency in public is another.
People are more likely to become homophobic in places where gays are having sex in the parks in full daylight.
One thing creates the other.

Truly a complex issue.

[ktlight]

Hi Marcelo
Those are not my words, they are printed words on the link provided. Don't take them personally. I read about a lot of things that I do not experience. Nobody has the right to bring each other down, and that is not my intention. It is just information about what is going on in the world. You are entitled to contest it.

I promise you that I would feel nothing about attacks on the country where I was born, although I might do what you did in the first two of your paragraphs, if I felt like you about it. I wish there were no such thing as a country, because a country is just land, part of the planet.

So, please don't be offended.

Namaste

[Sync]

Henry Makow is a NeoCon/Tea Party shill.

I wonder what his ideas of traditional family values consist of?

He probably also despises the fact that blacks can vote.

Be wary of messages of hate and intolerance during this time.

Keep reaching for that rainbow.

[Dorok]

Would someone kindly change the title of this thread? IMHO, it is false and repugnant.

[learninglight]

Hi all

I am sitting here feeling quite angry and upset that a thread of this nature could appear on this forum!!!!!
We are all meant to be equal, as one, and this just looks to be like a gay bashing thread!! And yes i take it personaly, i have 2 SONS who are gay and no i'm not just ranting because of that, i have ALWAYS felt that we are all equal no matter what colour,sex or religion, i raised my kids to see others with respect and treat them as they want to be treated.
It is also an attack on the Brazilian people because it makes them ALL seem bigots!!!!

[jjl]

Let's hear it again for free speech

[learninglight]

Let's hear it again for free speech

Oh so free speech means you just go ahead and say what you want without a thought for anyone elses feelings and beliefs!!!!! Thats not what this forum is about, or am i wrong??

[Kerrigan]

This thread offenses me.

Not only by its lack of logic & common sense, but also because its full of prejudices. This is Avalon, and I am shocked to see this kind of "article" (sarcasm) here.
.......

All that "gay" agenda is bull****. So gays, according to this article, publicly do sex?

Nobody in their rightful minds would have sex in public areas, homosexual or heterosexual.

This article is saying that homophobia does not exist in Brazil. Are you kidding me!? EVERY minority experiences hate crimes, EVERYWHERE. Even here, in Montréal, in the top 5 most gayfriendly places on Earth, I have seen hate crimes on homosexuals, in their own gay district.

All creatures deserve equal rights, whatever whom they fall in love with... nobody chooses whom they fall in love with. Love has no boundaries.

This is another distraction, another way to divide & conquer, targeting a community that only wants to stop suffering from prejudices.

This article, in my opinion, promotes hate & homophobia.

[Lord Sidious]

To be fair, Ktlight posts a lot of things for us to read.
Does she agree with every single, last thing in those articles?
She has said that she doesn't.
I suspect this is only posted for discussion, not for reactionary posts pointing the finger at her.

[Kerrigan]

I agree, I've got carried away by anger.

I would like to add that I'm not angry at the poster, but at the content of the article.

This is a very personnal subject for me, I appologizes ktlight.

[Dorok]

To be fair, Ktlight posts a lot of things for us to read.
Does she agree with every single, last thing in those articles?
She has said that she doesn't.
I suspect this is only posted for discussion, not for reactionary posts pointing the finger at her.

ktlight, is responsible for the title of the thread though. Just because it might be the title a sensational news outlet might use doesn't mean it has to find its way here. I don't think anyone can reasonably criticize the content of the link, but there are some things that we posters do have control and responsibility for.

[MariaDine]

Comunidade LGBT se mobiliza em Brasília pela lei anti-homofobia

13/5/2011 13:57, Por Brasil de Fato

Além de atividades na capital federal, haverá protestos e atos em todos os estados

13/05/2011


Da redação


A Associação Brasileira de Lésbicas, Gays, Bissexuais, Travestis e Transexuais (ABGLT), AllOut.org e Avaaz.org entregam à Frente Parlamentar LGBT, na próxima terça-feira (17), um abaixo-assinado com mais de 100 mil assinaturas pela aprovação do PLC 122, que criminaliza a homofobia. A entrega ocorrerá durante o VIII Seminário LGBT, que será realizado na Câmara dos Deputados, em Brasília, a partir das 9h.

Em tramitação no Senado, o PLC 122 propõe a alteração da Lei nº 7.716, de 5 de janeiro de 1989, caracterizando como crime “a discriminação ou preconceito de raça, cor, etnia, religião, origem, condição de pessoa idosa ou com deficiência, gênero, sexo, orientação sexual ou identidade de gênero”. O autor do delito, assim, ficaria sujeito às penas definidas em lei – como reclusão por até cinco anos.

No mesmo dia, a partir das 19h, as entidades realizam, no marco da campanha latino-americana Curas que Matam, a Vigília Ecumênica Contra a Homofobia no pátio da Biblioteca Nacional de Brasília. A atividade contará ainda com uma projeção de fotos enviadas por pessoas de vários países pedindo o fim da violência homo/transfóbica no Brasil.

Já no dia 18, a ABGTL promove a 2ª Marcha Nacional Contra a Homofobia e Pelo PLC122, a partir das 9h, na Esplanada dos Ministérios em Brasília.

As atividades ocorrem semanas depois de o Supremo Tribunal Federal (STF) reconhecer os direitos da união estável de casais do mesmo sexo. “[A decisão do STF] É um marco histórico para o movimento LGBT brasileiro, e um incentivo a mais para seguirmos na luta pelo fim da homofobia no Brasil. Agora precisamos aprovar o PLC 122/2006 para garantir a vida das pessoas LGBT no nosso país”, afirma o presidente da ABGLT, Toni Reis.

Além de atividades em Brasília, haverá protestos e atos em todos os estados. As mobilizações celebram o Dia Internacional de Combate à Homofobia (17 de maio). A data marca a marca o aniversário da decisão da Organização Mundial da Saúde, em 1990, de retirar a homosexualidade de sua lista de desordens mentais.

Segundo um levantamento do Grupo Gay da Bahia (GGB), 260 gays, travestis e lésbicas foram assassinados no Brasil em 2010. A média, assim, foi de uma morte a cada um dia e meio. Até março de 2011 já haviam sido contabilizados 65 assassinatos.


(Com informações da ABGLT)

http://correiodobrasil.com.br/comunidade-lgbt-se-mobiliza-em-brasilia-pela-lei-anti-homofobia/239730/

http://translate.google.com/#

[ktlight]

Hi Maria Dine
I see Avaaz is involved. I do not understand (what I think is) Portuguese. Nevertheless, I would like to thank you for posting it.

[MariaDine]

Assembleia aprova Dia de Combate à Homofobia

O plenário da Assembleia Legislativa aprovou nesta terça-feira, o Dia Estadual de Combate à Homofobia. A data escolhida é 17 de maio, já que a Organização Mundial da Saúde decidiu, no mesmo dia, em 1990, retirar da Classificação Internacional de Doenças, o código 302.0, que considerava a homosexualidade como transtorno mental.

De acordo com o autor do projeto, deputado Raul Carrion, do PCdoB, a ideia é combater a violência já que o País tem altos índices de assassinatos envolvendo homosexuais. Segundo a justificativa da matéria, em 2008, o Brasil foi considerado o país mais homofóbico do mundo com 190 homicídios de homosexuais. México ficou em segundo lugar, com 35 casos e EUA, em terceiro, com 25.

Fonte: Voltaire Porto / Rádio Guaíba

http://translate.google.com/#

Fonte da notícia: Correio do Povo

http://www.portalvitrine.com.br/assembleia-aprova-dia-de-combate-a-homofobia-news-10385.html


rio 17/05/2011 16h58

Tolerância justifica decisão de autorizar participação de PMs em parada gay, diz comandante da corporação
AGÊNCIA BRASIL

O comandante-geral da Polícia Militar (PM) do Rio de Janeiro, coronel Mário Sérgio Duarte, esclareceu hoje (17) que o regulamento interno da corporação não permite que policiais participem de manifestações ou festividades com fardas ou equipamentos próprios da atividade. Apesar da proibição, o governador Sérgio Cabral autorizou ontem (16), durante o lançamento da campanha Rio sem Homofobia, a participação de integrantes das polícias Militar e Civil e do Corpo de Bombeiros na parada gay, inclusive com fardas e viaturas.
Para o coronel, a autorização de Cabral tem a dimensão da tolerância. "Os estatutos e regulamentos da PM não permitem isso, mas entendemos a dimensão da fala do governador pelo aspecto da tolerância sobre as escolhas individuais dos integrantes da Polícia Militar", afirmou, durante inauguração, na manhã de hoje (17), da Unidade de Polícia Pacificadora (UPP) no Morro de São Carlos, a 17ª do estado do Rio.

Perguntado sobre a liberação dos policiais para participar da parada gay, Cabral minimizou as declarações e afirmou que seu objetivo era apenas citar o que ocorre na Europa e nos Estados Unidos. "Eu só chamei a atenção que nos Estados Unidos e na Europa, o policial, como outros profissionais, que quer ir [à parada gay] participa de uniforme e com um automóvel representando a corporação. É apenas a citação do que ocorre no primeiro mundo."


http://www.diariosp.com.br/_conteudo/2011/05/75743-tolerancia+justifica+decisao+de+autorizar+participacao+de+pms+em+parada+gay+diz+comandante+da+corpor acao.html

[Lord Sidious]

To be fair, Ktlight posts a lot of things for us to read.
Does she agree with every single, last thing in those articles?
She has said that she doesn't.
I suspect this is only posted for discussion, not for reactionary posts pointing the finger at her.

ktlight, is responsible for the title of the thread though. Just because it might be the title a sensational news outlet might use doesn't mean it has to find its way here. I don't think anyone can reasonably criticize the content of the link, but there are some things that we posters do have control and responsibility for.

For me, posting an article, the link and not using their title seems a bit disconnected.
Remember who you guys are dealing with?
I did this with bill, remember?
Can we repeat the lessons of that thread, forgive and move on?
She did not intend to offend anyone, trust me, I PM with her all the time.
And maybe, just maybe, she put this up to warn people on stuff going on?
But so far, no one has asked her motive.

[MariaDine]

I have posted the Google translator free on line, for you to copy and paste the news, and read.

[Franny]

To read much of Henry Makowʻs scribblings is to be, at the very least, a little annoyed. Heʻs extreme and negative on many subjects and especially disapproves of homosexuality and females that donʻt obey men or wear dresses all the time. It usually infuriates me to read him :). My brother who is gay just laughs at me when I rant about the latest article Iʻve read. Iʻve written to oppose his views and he has never posted my emails tho he has posted others who disagree - along with a his commentary. His very narrow frame of reference would look familiar to western Christians of the 1950s.

Either heʻs a "useful idiot" or is a front for those Illuminati creeps he says heʻs fighting.

After having read a number of klightʻs posts and articles I did not assume there was agreement with the article, but that it was posted to inform.

[MariaDine]

The Brazilian Association of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (ABGLT) AllOut.org Avaaz.org and deliver the Parliamentary Front for LGBT, next Tuesday (17), a petition with more than 100,000 signatures by approval of the PLC 122, which criminalizes homophobia. The delivery will occur during the VIII LGBT Seminar to be held in the Chamber of Deputies, in Brasilia, from 9am.

In the Senate, the PLC 122 proposes to amend the Law No. 7716 of January 5, 1989, characterizing as a crime "discrimination or prejudice based on race, color, ethnicity, religion, origin, condition of the elderly and disabled gender, sex, sexual orientation or gender identity. "The offender thus would be subject to the penalties set by law - such as imprisonment for up to five years.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Ktlight posts a lot of information to the forum, but I really do not like this article; it seems full of that right wing 'omg, the gays are taking over!' It's the same sort of utter bull sputum they say about Jews.

The gays are taking over, the gays are taking over! It's the religious right that has the biggest grasp on the law, but oh god, the gays are taking over!




Edit: to be clear, ktlight is a valuable and devoted member of the Avalon community. I don't like the message but I'm not shooting the messenger.

[ktlight]

For me, posting an article, the link and not using their title seems a bit disconnected.

Exactly, Lord Sidious.

To all of you who have expressed distaste: I would not mess with any author's work, however much I might dislike what I am reading. I would not appreciate anyone altering any of my work. It would not be their's to touch. I think it's important to see it for what it is, exactly as intended by the author. How else will you know the truth?

Hope you understand.

[Rocky_Shorz]

LOL...

anyone ever been to Rio During Carnival?

I'll give you a hint, who do you think likes dressing up as a peacock and strutting down the streets during a parade?

http://www.brazilcarnival.com.br/upload_images/Luxury_Carnival_Costumes.jpg

now I'll admit when I was down there I don't remember seeing any, but you need to understand there are 3-4 women for each man and they all seemed to notice which ones are noticing women...

Then the competition to catch an eye begins, and anything goes...


it was a really fun trip... ;)

today is Global Anti-Homophobic Day?


if I was a Brazilian male I'd be smiling knowing it just means more for me...

[buffski]

what a thread!! wow....really??
cor!!
no way???
ooooo!!!!
ahhhh!!!!

[Arpheus]

Wow whats the relevance of this may i ask?I was born in Brazil and to be honest whats the big deal?I am not homo either but seriously who cares?They are people just like the rest of us let them live their lives to the fullest and enjoy every minute of it,the way i look at it the only people that would be outraged at this kind of news are the ones who deep down inside have something against it and or are freaks of nature who think they have the right to judge someone else's life's actions,this thread isnt even worthy of Avalon material imo heh.
Peace out.

P.s No human being should be discriminated regardless of the excuse of reason for others in doing it so,we are all free to do whatever the hell we want as long and no one else isn't harmed in the process .

[NancyV]

Journalists often write very unbalanced articles depending on their beliefs and this one is written by someone who might be somewhat homophobic. There are also journalists who will be overly PRO homosexuality. But the information in the article is interesting and such a law may be too radical and unconstitutional. After translating the articles MariaDine posted I was surprised that the incidences of gay killings were about 10 times that of similar crimes in the US. 260 homosexual murders in 2010 in Brazil.

I used to go to Brazil to buy for my import business and always visited with my gay men friends in Rio who were mutual friends of some gay men friends of mine in Laguna Beach California, where my shop was. My impression from them and from my observation of the gay community was that it was much more out in the open and accepted even than in Laguna Beach, which had a fairly large gay population. So it was a surprise to me to see that crimes against gays are fairly high in Brazil.

Of course making a law to criminalize homophobia or intolerant speech will never work. People won't stop being intolerant or stop hating just because of a law. You can't control people who have learned to hate from either their parents, schools, peers or religions. We have a hate crime law in the US where if you commit a crime which can be proven to have been motivated by your enmity towards a particular protected group of people, such as homosexuals, minorities, etc., the punishment is more severe than if you just committed a "regular" crime not motivated by hate or prejudice. I don't know how well that's working or if it's any kind of motivation for a bigot to not commit a crime.

Many times in an effort to right wrongs we initially go too far in the other direction. It appears Brazil might be going too far if they are going to pass a law to criminalize homophobia. Well over 50%, perhaps up to 70% of Brazilians are Catholic. As long as homosexuality is a sin according to the Catholic religion there will be homophobes who think they are in alignment with the word of God. Perhaps that is one reason why killings of homosexuals are more prevalent in Brazil. So if this law passes there will undoubtedly be some problems stemming from it.

Brazil is a fantastic country and my impressions were that most Brazilians are warm and wonderful people. I hope they get through this challenge in the best way possible.

Nancy

[ThePythonicCow]

I just added the qualifier "(Henry Makow's original title) " to the thread title, quoted the body of the article in the first post, and preceded it with a disclaimer, all so as to clarify who was saying what.

[Dorok]

Thanks Paul. I think that adds the clarity needed.
ktlight, I didn't mean to call into question whether the article was indicative of your views, but proper quoting can go a long way in distancing the poster from the posted materials. I don't know if there's a formal style guide that indicates whether the title of the thread has to be the title of the article posted (I don't think it does), it's just that repeatedly viewing that was turning my stomach as if I wandered into the wrong forum. Sorry if that minor complaint went too far.

[ktlight]

Thanks Paul. I think that adds the clarity needed.
ktlight, I didn't mean to call into question whether the article was indicative of your views, but proper quoting can go a long way in distancing the poster from the posted materials. I don't know if there's a formal style guide that indicates whether the title of the thread has to be the title of the article posted (I don't think it does), it's just that repeatedly viewing that was turning my stomach as if I wandered into the wrong forum. Sorry if that minor complaint went too far.

Hi Dorok
Don't worry. Just understand that I will never change an author's work for any reason. It just is not my right, nor anyone else's. Not even the title. However, I trust Paul to clarify things..

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Dorok
Don't worry. Just understand that I will never change an author's work for any reason. It just is not my right, nor anyone else's. Not even the title. However, I trust Paul to clarify things..

Dennis Leahy posted some suggestions on presenting such work, in the thread Quoting articles found elsewhere (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20756-Quoting-articles-found-elsewhere).

[Ilie Pandia]

[snip]
Of course making a law to criminalize homophobia or intolerant speech will never work. People won't stop being intolerant or stop hating just because of a law. You can't control people who have learned to hate from either their parents, schools, peers or religions. We have a hate crime law in the US where if you commit a crime which can be proven to have been motivated by your enmity towards a particular protected group of people, such as homosexuals, minorities, etc., the punishment is more severe than if you just committed a "regular" crime not motivated by hate or prejudice. I don't know how well that's working or if it's any kind of motivation for a bigot to not commit a crime.

Many times in an effort to right wrongs we initially go too far in the other direction. It appears Brazil might be going too far if they are going to pass a law to criminalize homophobia. Well over 50%, perhaps up to 70% of Brazilians are Catholic. As long as homosexuality is a sin according to the Catholic religion there will be homophobes who think they are in alignment with the word of God. Perhaps that is one reason why killings of homosexuals are more prevalent in Brazil. So if this law passes there will undoubtedly be some problems stemming from it.
[snip]


I agree with Nancy.

While reading the mentioned article I thought: this has nothing to do with gay or straight people. It has to do with creating more divisive rules, concepts, to deepen the separation between human beings and not with increasing awareness and understanding.

In my opinion there should be no difference in law or behavior between gay and straight people. None should have any advantage over the other. As it stands now, I agree there is an imbalance, but as NancyV says, I don't believe any law will fix things, it would only create more trouble.