Message for New Zealanders - No Forced Vaccine's

[Isthatso]

Hi all fellow Kiwi’s,

Firstly, I am wishing to draw your attention to a newsletter that I received from Health Freedom New Zealand - http://www.healthfreedom.co.nz/ as follows;

Could enforced Vaccinations become a reality:
Health Freedom NZ Newsletter Action Alert

On March 24th 2011 the Report of the Health Select Committee's Inquiry into "How to Improve Immunisation Completion Rates" in New Zealand was presented to Government. The Government had six weeks to respond to the report.

The report represents a significant attack on parents' rights to make health care decisions for their children. You can find the full report at this link:
http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/BADCF722-D377-4451-8602-1E00938BFC74/188894/DBSCH_SCR_5060_Inquiryintohowtoimprovecompletionra.pdf

The Health Select Committee, under the leadership of Dr Paul Hutchison, has produced a report that not only recommends raising the targeted vaccination completion rate to 95% for NZ children aged 0-4, it also proposes a target be set for 11 year olds.

Most alarmingly this report also recommends that the government make children's enrollment at early childhood centres and schools dependent on parents producing proof of their children's vaccination status and further suggests that government consider linking "existing parental benefits" to vaccination.

If the Government accepts the recommendations in the report, it appears that parents will be forced to choose whether their child has no vaccinations – or all vaccinations on the schedule – in order to be able to supply the documentation necessary to enroll their child in a school or early childhood education centre.

Eligibility for the 20 Hours Free Early Childhood Education may also be restricted to children who have had all recommended vaccinations according to Page 33 of the Report. Moreover, it is also possible that parents who do not comply with this "all or nothing" approach to vaccination (for example those who want their children to have some vaccines, but not others) may face financial penalties such as loss of Government child benefits (See Page 34 of the report).

Christians (and others) who decide against MMR vaccination because of the use of "human diploid cells" derived from aborted foetal tissue in its production, or for any other reason, could be particularly badly affected if the government adopts these sort of discriminatory policies.

We are in an election year; if you disagree with the recommendations in the report, please act now and contact your local MP and opposition parties candidates. Here is the list of current M.P's.
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/MPP/MPs/MPs/

Please forward this message widely and visit the website www.noforcedvaccines.org as soon as you can for more information and for ideas on how you can help with the campaign to resist the erosion of human rights threatened by this Report.
http://www.healthfreedom.co.nz/component/acajoom/mailing/view/listid-1/mailingid-81/Itemid-999.html

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Personally, I’m a believer that if enough people voice there opinion against measures such as these the Government will not proceed. If we say nothing however…..

If you are at all concerned, Please take a few moments and do something… www.noforcedvaccines.org has everything you need including flyers, template letters and email addresses.


Warm wishes to you all….

[Isthatso]

Oh...and don't forget we have a New Zealand Group on the forum, if any kiwi's are interested in joining.

Warm wishes...

[jackovesk]

Ok now its time for All you Kiwis to show some of that Good-Old ANZAC Fighting Spirit and SHOVE this madness right back in the NWO Globalists faces!

If New Zealanders accept this, you will ALL being lining up for your RFID Chips Next! :boxing:

[Carmen]

There are some feisty mothers in New Zealand who wont put up with this crap. They will have one hellava fight on their hands!!!!

[D-Day]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

[Calz]

I believe it was a worldwide effort to resist forced vaccinations that stopped it from happening during the "swine flu pandemic". Had we the people allowed it ... I believe it would already have happened.

[jackovesk]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

Hi D-DAY,

Do you have any references to this? I wasn't aware of this.

Jack

[sheddie]

Blackmail - plain and simple.............completely outragious :mmph:

This cannot be allowed to happen, if it happens in NZ it will set a precident for the rest of the world.

It's what they would like to do, force us to comply.............

A disgrace, thank you for bringing it to our attention and I am very glad to hear that NZ mothers are a feisty bunch....good on yer :whoo: go girls

much love x

[mosquito]

Good luck to you, but get your arses in gear, once it's legislation, that's it !

[Wiremu2011]

Looks like it's time to round all the bro's up, take it to their legislation and drop the shoulder I say. LOL

[D-Day]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

Hi D-DAY,

Do you have any references to this? I wasn't aware of this.

Jack

No, I don't have any references I can provide off-hand but let me put it this way...

My partner and I decided not to have our now 4 year old daughter vaccinated for obvious reasons and that was going fine for us up until about 6 weeks ago.

At that time my partner had been receiving Family Assistance Allowance and Child Care Allowance from Centrelink (Social Security) like pretty much all mothers in Australia do. Then, about 6 weeks ago we started receiving letters from them saying our daughter was overdue for her vaccinations and that we needed to get them done ASAP in order for those Centrelink payments to continue. We rang Centrelink and protested, saying that we'd made a personal choice not to vaccinate our child because we believed the health risks associated with vaccinations far outweighed any of the "potential" benefits they might offer.

Much to our surprise, we were advised by the staff member at Centrelink that under Australian federal government legislation it was mandatory for all parents wishing to receive these basic family assistance benefits to have their child/children vaccinated, apparently there are about 4 or 5 different vaccinations that a child the age of 4 should have. So, basically we were told that if we didn't vaccinate our child those benefits would be cancelled until such time as we could show medical evidence that confirmed they had been done.

Despite the fact that we're a typical Aussie-battler family that needed the assistance from Centrelink to help pay child care costs etc we pretty much told the Centrelink operator to get stuffed and that they could do whatever it was they needed to with respect to our benefit payments.

Before we hung up the phone we were also advised by the operator that in order for our daughter to start primary school next year we would need to provide evidence to whatever school she attends that these vaccinations had been done. Apparently, primary schools can refuse to accept any child that has not been vaccinated but it is their choice to do so and they take responsibility for any decisions they make to allow non-vaccinated children to attend their school. In other words, no primary school is going to accept such liability so once again parents are put in a position where they are forced to have their child vaccinated in order for them to attend school.

So since then all our family assistance benefits have been cancelled and we have been struggling ever since to keep on top bills etc as a result. By the way, we used to pay a reduced rate of child care while we were receiving these benefits and now they're cancelled we have to pay the full rate which is about $110/day, as opposed to $70/day (our child goes to daycare 3 days/week).

In addition (we were also advised this during our conversation with Centrelink), apparently every time a child gets a vaccination they automatically give Centrelink benefit-receiving parents a lump some bonus of $300 (per vaccination). And, in the words of the Centrelink operator who told us this... "the bonus payment is designed to encourage struggling, low income families to get their children vaccinated by offering them a substantial monetary incentive".

Now how f***ed up is that!!!

[oceanz]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

I think the full effect is more the stigma on those who choose not to get their children vaccinated.

Currently, to enrol in primary and pre primary you generally have to produce an immunisation statement from Medicare or if there is an outbreak you have to keep them home from school.

There is also the immunisation payment when the child turns 18months and 4 years of age if vaccinated at approx $125 per payment as an incentive.

I'm not sure how NZ would go if children were not allowed to go to school because they are not vaccinated as I'm sure home schooling would allow for more freedom of thought and not as educationalised.

If you tie vaccinations to Working for Family Tax Credits well New Zealanders would really struggle financially, given the housing, employment situation happening there now.

[oceanz]

D-Day, did you get a receipt number for that telephone conversation with Centrelink?

Are they able to provide direction to which legislation they refer to?

[D-Day]

D-Day, did you get a receipt number for that telephone conversation with Centrelink?

Are they able to provide direction to which legislation they refer to?

No, I didn't get a receipt number... I felt so angry and disillusioned by the end of the call that I didn't even think to do that.

Looking back now I wish I had.

Do you think we were given misinformation??

[oceanz]

http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/home/index.htm

Maternity Immunisation Allowance is a non-income tested payment to encourage parents to immunise their children.

Note: To meet the immunisation requirements your child must be fully immunised, on a recognised immunisation catch up schedule, or have an approved exemption.

D-Day for Family Tax Benefit A & B there is no mention in the 'Eligibility' for a child to be immunised.

Could be a case of you speak to one person in a Government department and get one story and then talk to another person and get another story. I would say they pushed the stop button on your payments.

Ring and request your family tax benefit & child care benefits are re-assessed.

[D-Day]

That's great ad information/advice oceanz, I will do that!

Thank you :)

[Isthatso]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

Hi D-DAY,

Do you have any references to this? I wasn't aware of this.

Jack

No, I don't have any references I can provide off-hand but let me put it this way...

My partner and I decided not to have our now 4 year old daughter vaccinated for obvious reasons and that was going fine for us up until about 6 weeks ago.

At that time my partner had been receiving Family Assistance Allowance and Child Care Allowance from Centrelink (Social Security) like pretty much all mothers in Australia do. Then, about 6 weeks ago we started receiving letters from them saying our daughter was overdue for her vaccinations and that we needed to get them done ASAP in order for those Centrelink payments to continue. We rang Centrelink and protested, saying that we'd made a personal choice not to vaccinate our child because we believed the health risks associated with vaccinations far outweighed any of the "potential" benefits they might offer.

Much to our surprise, we were advised by the staff member at Centrelink that under Australian federal government legislation it was mandatory for all parents wishing to receive these basic family assistance benefits to have their child/children vaccinated, apparently there are about 4 or 5 different vaccinations that a child the age of 4 should have. So, basically we were told that if we didn't vaccinate our child those benefits would be cancelled until such time as we could show medical evidence that confirmed they had been done.

Despite the fact that we're a typical Aussie-battler family that needed the assistance from Centrelink to help pay child care costs etc we pretty much told the Centrelink operator to get stuffed and that they could do whatever it was they needed to with respect to our benefit payments.

Before we hung up the phone we were also advised by the operator that in order for our daughter to start primary school next year we would need to provide evidence to whatever school she attends that these vaccinations had been done. Apparently, primary schools can refuse to accept any child that has not been vaccinated but it is their choice to do so and they take responsibility for any decisions they make to allow non-vaccinated children to attend their school. In other words, no primary school is going to accept such liability so once again parents are put in a position where they are forced to have their child vaccinated in order for them to attend school.

So since then all our family assistance benefits have been cancelled and we have been struggling ever since to keep on top bills etc as a result. By the way, we used to pay a reduced rate of child care while we were receiving these benefits and now they're cancelled we have to pay the full rate which is about $110/day, as opposed to $70/day (our child goes to daycare 3 days/week).

In addition (we were also advised this during our conversation with Centrelink), apparently every time a child gets a vaccination they automatically give Centrelink benefit-receiving parents a lump some bonus of $300 (per vaccination). And, in the words of the Centrelink operator who told us this... "the bonus payment is designed to encourage struggling, low income families to get their children vaccinated by offering them a substantial monetary incentive".

Now how f***ed up is that!!!

Wow...thanks D-Day for sharing your experience and also Oceanz for helping out. We really have to know our stuff - even when it's not mandatory they will imply it is and act accordingly. I hope enough people over here jump on this..

Thanks everyone for the info, suggestions and support!

Warm wishes..

[Isthatso]

I would be interested to hear more stories from Australian parents! As you're further down the road with this than we are in NZ.

In my emails I'm hoping to include some examples of what's happening in Australia (e.g. D-Day above). Of course with permission only and no names.

Anyone else??

Warm wishes...

[oceanz]

http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/

The 2011 seasonal influenza vaccine contains pandemic A(H1N1), seasonal A(H3N2) and B strains. While these are the same strains used in the 2010 influenza vaccine, Australians are still encouraged to receive this year’s vaccine as immunity lasts only one year.

What they should say is it contains (swine flu) pandemic A(H1N1), seasonal A(H3N2) and B strains. That way, it's a lot more clearer what your "flu shot" contains.

[oceanz]

http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/Publishing.nsf/content/immunise-influenza-qanda

Is it safe for my child to be vaccinated for flu?
Yes. Flu vaccines are safe and have been used in children around the world and in Australia for many years. However, no pharmacologic agent, including vaccines, can be considered 100% safe. All vaccines currently available in Australia must pass stringent safety testing before being approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA).

In 2010, increased rates of high fever and febrile convulsions in children under five years of age were found with one brand of vaccine, Fluvax. This vaccine is not being used for children under 5 years of age in Australia in 2011.

Stringent testing that approved Fluvax for children under 5 years?


Two other vaccine brands, Influvac and Vaxigrip, are available and recommended for use in children as they are not associated with increased side effects.

Increased rates of fever have also been seen with Fluvax in children between 5 years and less than 10 years. Although febrile convulsions are rare in this age group, it is recommended that Influvac or Vaxigrip be used in preference to Fluvax in this age group.

Common side effects following seasonal flu vaccination include soreness, pain and swelling at the injection site, fever, vomiting and malaise. These side effects are usually mild and resolve quickly without any treatment. If an infant or child develops a fever above 38.5°C following vaccination, paracetamol can be given. If a high temperature above 38.5°C persists, contact your doctor or seek medical assistance. Very rarely, a high fever after vaccination can result in a febrile convulsion in children under the age of 5 years.

[Teresa]

Good God is nowhere on earth safe from the reaches of this madness. Where will it all end, this disgusting and insidious abuse of people. Thanks so much for this info Isthatso.

I'm try desperately to enlighten my family as regards the whole vaccination thing. My new little grandson is getting jabbed all over the place - what can I do, I am only the grandmother, and his parents think they're doing the best for him. There are just so many vaccinations for a tiny new little life, what are they thinking?

I have a daughter who is a pharmacy tech and when she refused her workplace flu jab the pressure from her colleagues was immense, even a little hostile, but I'm proud she stood her ground.

I will absolutely be contacting my local MP and visiting those sites you've put links to. Many thanks.

[Isthatso]

Thanks for your efforts Teresa - as always, to have an impact we need the numbers. I think this is one of the most important decisions you make when you have a baby.

I like the sound of your daughter - I can imagine the pressure...good on her! Sounds like the apple didn't fall far from the tree eh....

Warm wishes...

[Teresa]

Kind words, thankyou Isthatso. But especially heartfelt thanks for bringing this to my attention. Not being a tv watcher or hooked into msm at all, I sometimes miss out on this kind of info.
Regards, teresa

[daddy fishwick]

Welcome to the worlds largest labarotory! New Zealand has always been used as a test ground for implementation on a grand scale. I have four young children and have been through so many conversations (arguments) about this, mainly with family who just think im somewhat paranoid about the whole thing!
I've had enough of people telling me what's good for my children!

I've had enough of the shamefull brainwashing served up in New Zealand broadcasting on a daily basis!

In the eternal words of Robert Nesta Marley, "You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time, so now you see the light, stand up for your rights." Time to stand up and say no more to this idiocy!

[Carmody]

This legislation is already in FULL effect here in Australia... like Jack said, don't let the bastards do the same over there too!!!

you need to organize with friends. Not to petition, but to work via other tactics.. You see, you already know that they are not listening, that their ears and eyes belong not to the public but to someone else. The decision to use the courts has already been taken from you as the elected officials are the connection to the courts.

Now, what options are left? Think it through....

You are being forced into a corner and when you are there, they will build a cage over it.

Respond before it is finished.

[Isthatso]

Welcome to the worlds largest labarotory! New Zealand has always been used as a test ground for implementation on a grand scale. I have four young children and have been through so many conversations (arguments) about this, mainly with family who just think im somewhat paranoid about the whole thing!
I've had enough of people telling me what's good for my children!

I've had enough of the shamefull brainwashing served up in New Zealand broadcasting on a daily basis!

In the eternal words of Robert Nesta Marley, "You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time, so now you see the light, stand up for your rights." Time to stand up and say no more to this idiocy!

I'm with ya daddy fishwick! I've had enough too. Best to keep the t.v. off.

I'm a bit disheartened today - after sending info to my email lists last week I received a dismal response of 1 reply. I took some leaflet's around to notice boards and parent centres, maybe they will have an effect. I'm trying to act, not simply complain and move on, but the apathy out there saddens me. Don't get me wrong there are groups spreading the word as per my opening post, but the people around me still don't question and amazingly have faith in big pharma and it's salespeople i.e. our government. People are getting flu shots left, right and centre.

I'm off for a cuppa and to ponder Carmody's post (pm me if you have any ideas).

Warm wishes to you and yours.....

[Tangri]

Oh...and don't forget we have a New Zealand Group on the forum, if any kiwi's are interested in joining.

Warm wishes...

I like kiwis, they remind me, fresh figs

[Isthatso]

Ok....hadn't considered that.

Well they're both fantastic for the digestive system. ;)

[oceanz]

If immunisation rates are at a record high, why does the NZ Government need to find ways on improving vaccination rates?


http://www.teawamutu.co.nz/courier/archive/2011/2011-05-31.pdf

Immunisation rates
pleasing to Plunket

Plunket welcomes the news that New Zealand’s
childhood immunisation rate is now at a record high.

“Particularly pleasing to see is the 14 per cent
increase in the immunisation rate among the Maori
and Pacific communities,” says Plunket clinical
advisor Allison Jamieson.
“Immunisation is a vitally important a tool to
protect New Zealand families and communities.
Vaccination is the most effective way to protect
children from the many childhood diseases that can
affect New Zealand families today.”
Mrs Jamieson says these diseases can have
serious complications and are often spread by
family members or friends.
“Immunisation has a profoundly positive effect
not only on the individual but on the whole of the
population thereby improving community immunity
from the disease.
“Immunisation is a free, proven way that parents
can protect their children against 11 serious
diseases, including measles, mumps and rubella.
(read more at above link)

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Ugh! This makes my blood boil! :tsk:

My children have and will not be immunised against anything!
I have boxed with many a doc and have had to sign one or two papers that I am doing so at my own risk ie. the risk of my children.
When my son was in Kindergarten, here in Germany, they wouldn´t allow him to go on a field trip without having a tick bite vaccine. I said that that was discrimination and again wrote a letter that he should be allowed to join, at my /his own risk. He was allowed to go. When he returned, I checked him for ticks and he was clear. It is now 12 years later and he is just fine!

This week I was challenged again.
The kids in the school where I teach were given notice by the Health Department that their vaccine pass was going to be checked. All parents have to send their childrens´ vaccine record to the school and then after being checked, are informed what vaccines are missing and which ones they would urgently recommend. They (the Health Department) are coming in next week to dish out vaccines to those that want their kids to be immunised.
I was shocked! This has never happened before.
Thankfully there are other parents, like me, who smell a rat and are refusing to participate and we have been "planting" some seeds of knowledge and information, where we can.

[Barron]

Yes, thank you very much for sharing via here. I have come across this info via a few other sources but really glad to see it here too. Please post far and wide. Everyone should be entitled to their own free informed choice withour being penalised or discriminated against if they choose not to have their children vaccinated. (Just goes to show just how much power and money the Big Pharma companies have eh?!)

Cheers