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The earth does not have consciousness.
Our collective consciousness enlivened the earth.
Anything that appears in the mind is not consciousness.
It is the non-finding of consciousness, that is consciousness.
'I' delude myself.
Not this, not this. Thought art that. To that say, Not this, not this.
Emptiness of emptiness.
The futile diligence of searching for a soul..you are that which you seek.
Stop trying, too hard.
You are creating a disturbance, in you.
Perfect comes from perfect.
Om mani peme hung.
(Compassion in Emptiness)
Look, see, drop!
greybeard
18th May 2011, 09:05
If we take it that God is one without a second then Earth has consciousness, everything has.
All form is atoms in movement and intelligence shapes that form.
Acording to Dr David Hawkins, who remembers between lives--- the void is misunderstood. ( Not this not this)
He was a Buddhist in former lives and ended up in the void last time he left form.
He claims the void is very impressive but devoid of Love.
He had to reincarnate to correct the miss-understanding.
the void is not nothing --- it is no---thing, a stubtle but very differnt reality.
The vacuum is now found to be full of energy.
That energy has massive potential.
Chris
If we take it that God is one without a second then Earth has consciousness, everything has.
All form is atoms in movement and intelligence shapes that form.
Acording to Dr David Hawkins, who remembers between lives--- the void is misunderstood. ( Not this not this)
He was a Buddhist in former lives and ended up in the void last time he left form.
He claims the void is very impressive but devoid of Love.
He had to reincarnate to correct the miss-understanding.
the void is not nothing --- it is no---thing, a stubtle but very differnt reality.
The vacuum is now found to be full of energy.
That energy has massive potential.
Chris
Dear Grey Beard,
It is easy to end up in nihilism, if one misunderstands the unity of relative truth and ultimate truth.
This universe is created by three principles, attraction, repulsion and inertia.
It's every atom and planetary system. It is also in every sentient being.
It's what drives us...... (insane)!
I want, I don't want and I don't care.
or
Desire, aversion and ignorance.
or
Hope fear and indifference.
Our job is to transform these principles into wisdom!
Emptiness meaning unfabricated, pure!
From the Buddhist point of view, our essence is empty, our nature is cognisant and energy is unconfined compassion.
It's just a different point of view.
pie'n'eal
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!
pie'n'eal
truthseekerdan
18th May 2011, 16:23
Earth Consciousness
In keeping with talking about our Universe, I would like to offer a few
concepts for consideration, because they may offer wonderful and benevolent
assistance and joy. For some there is almost “too much information” out
there, especially for skeptics: UFO’s, crop circles, reincarnation, ghosts...
There are certain things that will resonate with you, as they do with me,
and others you will disregard, or reserve judgment on because you feel they
do not immediately impact your life.
There are those that passionately believe in and spend much time
dealing with UFO visits or experiences. I for one do not feel I have had that
experience, though I do not dismiss it (especially after a recent visit to
Sedona, Arizona where I may have been the only one there who hasn’t seen a
UFO). I also am aware of the crop circle phenomenon which is claimed to be
a manifestation of our powerful Earth vortex magnetism, and possibly UFO
activity. Someday I may go to England, wait by a field (hopefully not for too
long) and see the wheat lay down. That would be fun.
What I want to share with you is something that resonates with me:
Earth Consciousness. Just as you can acknowledge, clear and release
negative memories and energies, so our Mother Earth has a consciousness and
must do these things. This is partly the source of the “destructive” process
that so many fear. But our Mother Earth is striving to attain consciousness,
just as we are, and to do it with as little harm as possible.
In addition, our planet can respond to the lack of respect and,
sometimes rape, of her flesh.
We all feel this consciousness, though it is hard to accept or fully
perceive because it is not 3rd dimensional consciousness we are accustomed
to. Yet on an emotional and feeling level we know and love our planet, and
that love is reciprocated--it is the source and reflection of ourselves.
Is it difficult for us to fathom Earth Consciousness? Is it any more
difficult than going to the Grand Canyon and trying to comprehend the 300
Million years that it took to create those beautiful strata formations (the
numerous seas, deserts, oceans, swamps and volcanic eruptions that
contributed to their creation)? And, of course our planet was in existence
many millions of years before those formations were created. Can we even
fathom one million years? Yet scientists by their carbon dating have told us
that those time periods are correct.
In a sense it may even be impertinent for us, recent physical beings by
Earth standards who are here for a relatively short time, to deny what has
been here long before we came and will be here long after we leave this
particular lifetime. Although it is hard for us to comprehend, is it any more
far fetched than believing there is a God-Spirit/Creator of all these things?
Truly our Mother Earth has a consciousness and she loves us. You may
therefore send healing light and visualizations to our Mother Earth and she
will hear you.
Also, as was known to Native and aboriginal tribes, stone and plants
possess a consciousness. At a time when there were no hospitals, and
someone was sick, or there was a problem that the shaman or elders could not
answer, a sensitive or mystical person would find the answer “on the land”,
and speak to the “stone people”, or even a tree.
Stone was, and is, perceived as a living conscious entity that
communicates, at a certain level, living at a different vibration (living
hundreds of millions of years). It possesses the electricity of love and light of
our Universe.
Pick up a stone, touch it, lie upon a rock, hold it in your hands and be
held, feeling the rush of energy. It is communicated on a feeling level. You
know it.
Even further, certain psychics and channels can speak to and through
the stone and impart much wisdom and advice from our grandfather stone
(see suggested reading for more on this).
But trust your feeling and intuition--be close to stone and rock, respect
it and you may even choose to visualize and, opening up, listen to see if you
receive anything from it, with gratitude and thanks.
Likewise, many native cultures used, and still use, trees to receive
wisdom--believing in their consciousness. When we are among trees, even a
park, we do naturally feel better. Trees are the philosophers of the plant
world and have an amazing network--regardless of species. Trees fifty years
or older (called Grandmother or Grandfather by Native Americans, out of
respect) may carry great wisdom and you may, respectfully, ask advice and
seek their wisdom which they, if they know and are not too busy, may impart
to you in the feeling sense. Please respect and love trees, and all plants. (See
suggested reading below for further on this topic).
Water--it is recommended for those who wish their process of change
to be smooth and comfortable to consume large quantities of water and other
liquids, but principally water. Remember to relate to the water, and respect it,
as you consume it. There is more consciousness and awareness in water than
we may realize, and it will cleanse you and even help you to remove your
beliefs (and you may ask it to do so).
Water is indeed a conscious force of love. Water (“Holy water”) has
been a symbol in many religions: baptism, Hindu cleansing, ritual
anointments, consecrations and ceremonies--“Holy Water”. The
consciousness and cleansing characteristics of water, both literally and
symbolically, have been utilized throughout the ages, and we are welcomed to
remember and accept it’s healing and loving consciousness.
Air, which gives us life and fills all the space between the more dense
substances, also has a consciousness and contains a love and life-force that we
must respect and preserve.
Consider also, that the wind is messenger, Mother Earth’s mechanism
for transfer. Earth will take soil, dust, as well as energies and wisdom of it’s
beings and blow them for thousands of miles. Consider the classic image of
Jesus on the mountain (high ground) or of the Native American praying on a
cliff, or Mohammed or Buddha on the mountain, the Monks in Tibet (the
high- altitude winds on the highest places on the planet) --Sermon on the
Mount, the song “Go Tell It On the Mountain” and many other examples the
origins of which have been long overlooked.
If you want to offer a prayer to someone far away, go out on a windy
and blustery day and say it out loud, facing away from the wind. The
particles of the message will be picked up in the most gentle way for you, and
taken with enthusiasm to those to whom you direct it.
Maybe more easy to accept is animal consciousness, especially for
anyone who has owned a dog or a horse, a bird or a cat, and lived daily for
years with one of those wonderful creatures. Animals, too, are souls who
have come here to experience existence on that plane. They are a part of us
and deserve respect, as do all living things. Some eastern religions believe
that the souls of our ancestors can as easily be residing in an ant, or worm, as
another person, and they will not kill or harm any form of life. Again, “we
are all related”, “we are all One”.
Animals are more readily “one” with nature, they do not seem to have
the mental process or presumption to doubt their place in creation. We can
learn much from them and should love them and appreciate their
consciousness and how wonderful it is to share this planet with them.
Please note, as an aside that we are experiencing the greatest rate of
extinction since the dinosaurs (up to 50,000 species a year). In the United
States we have lost over 500 plants and animals since the signing of the
Declaration of Independence; 250 of these species have disappeared in the
last 15 years. This impacts us all, including for instance the fishing industry.
We must bring this to our consciousness and correct this problem both with
healing visualizations and by real and physical acts which stop this trend
(support the Endangered Species Act and don’t let the lobbies roll it back).
Well, if any of these concepts do not resonate with you, and you do not
feel the consciousness of these things, at least if you remember them I assure
you your next bath, or walk in the park, will be more fun.
We are all related.
Source: http://www.indigorecords.com/NewFaith/earth_consciousness.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pHbzBH3KxQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pHbzBH3KxQ
Dear truthseekerdan,
This is indeed marvelous stuff!
But you are talking about impermanent phenomena.
You believe it to be real and solid, which it is not.
it is all a dream. If it were truly real, it would not come and go.
It is all made up of causes and conditions.
Being real is being constant, unchanging.
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for it, But what is more important than the
phenomena, is your appreciation. Your consciousness. If you were not conscious
the earth would not exist for you. It's consciousness which is the wonderful non stuff!
Now here is the problem, consciousness created this place you live in. You created the life
you are in at this moment. 'Pure consciousness' doesn't need any of this, this is just a vehicle.
Your relative consciousness has to realise, it's ultimate nature.
pie'n'eal
nomadguy
18th May 2011, 17:02
I am sorry, this is flatly un-true, the earth is a being as you are.
truthseekerdan
18th May 2011, 17:11
Dear truthseekerdan,
This is indeed marvelous stuff!
But you are talking about impermanent phenomena.
You believe it to be real and solid, which it is not.
it is all a dream. If it were truly real, it would not come and go.
It is all made up of causes and conditions.
Being real is being constant, unchanging.
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for it, But what is more important than the
phenomena, is your appreciation. Your consciousness. If you were not conscious
the earth would not exist for you. It's consciousness which is the wonderful non stuff!
Now here is the problem, consciousness created this place you live in. You created the life
you are in at this moment. 'Pure consciousness' doesn't need any of this, this is just a vehicle.
Your relative consciousness has to realise, it's ultimate nature.
pie'n'eal
Everything is a manifestation of the One Consciousness to "experience perfection in the illusion of divisiveness".
Yes, from a higher perspective everything is like a dream (illusion) -- only "Infinite Love is the Truth" :luv:
Namaste ~ Dan
nomadguy
18th May 2011, 17:26
the Earth is a being that has been, for lack of a better way to describe, asleep, and is so far more capable and knowing than we. We are out of our league with it.
Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 17:35
Remember, the force is that which binds all living things together, like a huge net.
I remember seeing in the qu'ran that even rocks have souls and life.
Dear Truthseekerdan.
You manifest your creation, I manifest my creation. All creations are a mistaken reality.
I am trying to work through my own delusion.
I still feel we all have our individual unique consciousnesses.
However, we can have a similar karmic connection,
so that is why we are here. Hence collective consciousness, or collective delusion!
There is a oneness with others, but we will have a different flavour.
However I do not totally dismiss one consciousness.....when I get there.....if I get there.....I'll let you know!
pie'n'eal
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Remember, the force is that which binds all living things together, like a huge net.
I remember seeing in the qu'ran that even rocks have souls and life.
Dear Lord Sidious,
Poetic, but that doesn't make it true.
pie'n'eal
the Earth is a being that has been, for lack of a better way to describe, asleep, and is so far more capable and knowing than we. We are out of our league with it.
Dear Nomadguy,
Your potential is far greater than the Earth's.
One day the earth will fall into the Sun...gone!
You just have to find another home.
pie'n'eal
Lettherebelight
18th May 2011, 17:59
Why is it such a difficult concept to understand that there are millions and billions of individual, spirit souls? ...and that everyone of them has an individual personality...yet all are one, in that they are all of the same energy/spiritual consciousness. Everyone is eternally an individual.
Some souls are free, running free in only their spiritual bodies...others are covered over, wearing material bodies, or maybe more subtle energy bodies. Even though embodied, the consciousness (more powerful than 10,000 suns), shines through. There are millions of types of bodies one may inhabit, the body given is just fit for the consciousness of the person.
Now. There is some great soul...far more advanced in consciousness than you or I.
Imagine that. Someone far more advanced in consciousness than us.
And that individual, by dint of their advanced awareness, has been awarded a body, just fit for their consciousness. That body is very special... female in nature, round, giving..... home to many other embodied spirit souls. She is our Mother. She is the Earth. ..Bhumi... Gaia....Terra....Maa.
There are personalities everywhere...Wind, Sun, Moon. The more awake we are, the more we will see that we can hear them, and communicate. Consider the Native American connection to our world...honouring our brothers and sisters who inhabit animal bodies...and the Great Spirit, Wakanteya.
There are many different types of bodies, all over the universes, but that doesn't mean they don't have consciousness.
To negate their consciousness is to dishonour them.
http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/2005/images/na_dreamcatcher.jpg
Lord Sidious
18th May 2011, 18:00
Well, Pineal, ol banana, if you can't FEEL the truth of what I said, no worries, that is your journey.
The earth does not have consciousness.
Our collective consciousness enlivened the earth.
Anything that appears in the mind is not consciousness.
It is the non-finding of consciousness, that is consciousness.
'I' delude myself.
Not this, not this. Thought art that. To that say, Not this, not this.
Emptiness of emptiness.
The futile diligence of searching for a soul..you are that which you seek.
Stop trying, too hard.
You are creating a disturbance, in you.
Perfect comes from perfect.
Om mani peme hung.
(Compassion in Emptiness)
Look, see, drop!
Can you prove that?
cheers
K
I personally don't see how anyone could say with assurity the Earth has a consciousness, or doesn't. There is no real way to know. At least not for me. It can all be fabricated in mental realms. Illusions are rampant here.
Saying the Earth does not have a consciousness is unpopular. Thus why the OP has no thanks. People who think she doesn't, or aren't sure wont be in agreeance, but you will have a good number who are very sure of their theory that she does. What even makes her a she? I suspect if the Earth has a consciousness it is no more a she, than God is a he(if either exist). But I could be wrong. I can definitely see the symbolic meaning of terming the creator a he, and celestial bodies a she. It goes deep with reason. But What I mean is, is the consciousness feminine?
I used to get conscious imprints from what I perceived as "Mother Earth". This could be a lot of things. This is what I imagine people believe is the Earth's consciousness. It could be tied to all of our consciousness. That is what I felt as a kid. The suffering of the world. Perhaps the world has an experience, through all of us. It's more of a 'God' experience, not so close to what our sentience has.
I think knowing when you could be wrong is an asset. Both people saying either or, in my eyes, could be at least partially wrong.
I think my perspective is not the most wise in this aspect of reality though. I do wonder about the claim that the Earth has chakras. I somehow doubted that one straight away, but remain open minded.
If the Earth does have a consciousness, and actually acute perception and being, I imagine her mind doesn't work in the same ways ours do. If it does, she is probably depressed, and ready to bring famine. lol. At least, change.... Just what my gut tells me...
Carmody
18th May 2011, 18:08
I have conscious recall of the void and the astral realms... and the act of moving between them. I can say that I feel an opening into and unfolding into a larger self, the self that I truly am .... and recall of the palpable capacity of the void or astral realms to form structure. Structure--as reflection.
To my consciousness it may be so different that it is like an ant crawling on my leg. The ant senses something but the ant's grasp is too limited, to different in size and scope capacities to hold enough to realize..and if it did, it could not translate that to any of the other ants.
John Parslow
18th May 2011, 18:12
Hello pie‘n’eal
It is my understanding that everything in the Omniverse is composed of atoms which are:
The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force. Likewise, a group of atoms can remain bound to each other, forming a molecule. (Note: Electromagnetic Force).
It is my contention that if you accept the above as a true statement, then everything we know of including the earth is alive; as Lord Sidious has said even rocks.
Best regards to you. JP :cool:
I have conscious recall of the void and the astral realms... and the act of moving between them. I can say that I feel an opening into and unfolding into a larger self, the self that I truly am .... and recall of the palpable capacity of the void or astral realms to form structure. Structure--as reflection.
To my consciousness it may be so different that it is like an ant crawling on my leg. The ant senses something but the ant's grasp is too limited, to different in size and scope capacities to hold enough to realize..and if it did, it could not translate that to any of the other ants.
Top notch stuff from you fella as usual. :couch2:
Peace
K
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Hello pie‘n’eal
It is my understanding that everything in the Omniverse is composed of atoms which are:
The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force. Likewise, a group of atoms can remain bound to each other, forming a molecule. (Note: Electromagnetic Force).
It is my contention that if you accept the above as a true statement, then everything we know of including the earth is alive; as Lord Sidious has said even rocks.
Best regards to you. JP :cool:
Beat me to it radio cornwall. :p
Infact I'd go as far as to say the earth experiences through us as the universe experiences through her fields.
cheers
K
greybeard
18th May 2011, 18:16
Consciousness which we all share needs content.
Awareness, which is what we are, is complete and does not need anything to be aware that it is.
Chris
The earth does not have consciousness.
Can you prove that?
cheers
K
Well, K626,
What is meaningful to one may not be meaningful to another, but here goes.
Simply put, what is looking out of your eyes at this moment and what looked out
of them when you were four years old........has never ever changed!!!
That's it! Pure consciousness. You are never with out it. It is you!!!
However, because we get too quickly attracted to things and ideas, we don't
notice the pure perception. The thing seen can only be seen because of consciousness.
Like the words on this white page.
We try too hard.
pie'n'eal
Carmody
18th May 2011, 18:20
I can get behind that.
In the grand scheme, Misinterpretation in human communication... is a 100% 'chance'.
Ergo, to be upset with any misinterpretation or opinion that is different than your own is against the idea of communication as it exists in the human realm.
truthseekerdan
18th May 2011, 18:29
Dear Truthseekerdan.
You manifest your creation, I manifest my creation. All creations are a mistaken reality.
I am trying to work through my own delusion.
I still feel we all have our individual unique consciousnesses.
However, we can have a similar karmic connection,
so that is why we are here. Hence collective consciousness, or collective delusion!
There is a oneness with others, but we will have a different flavour.
However I do not totally dismiss one consciousness.....when I get there.....if I get there.....I'll let you know!
pie'n'eal
In order to comprehend everything about collective/individual consciousness and soul consciousness, one has to go beyond the conscious mind (ego-mind). One has to connect to the Subconscious (Universal Mind) from what each of us is part of. When we are willing to embrace and accept light beyond only logical inquiry, we will be able to understand our true consciousness, a consciousness that gives us our essential power and natural reflex of existence in our mind.
From light all things emerge and manifest into consciousness, giving us a connection to everything. Through this realization there are many mental states created by a fundamental process of perception within our thought patterns or core energy patterns, providing us concrete, experimental or intellectual data to form or deform reality, internally or externally. This is what allows us to live in an energy conscious universe. It is the light within our essential being which is striving to know and fathom itself beyond the censoring role of an inflated ego fixated on the physical world.
In understanding this one point, we understand the essence and true nature of our existence beyond the physical and intellectual influences that limit our life. Understand this truth within our being and we recognize ourselves within the truth.
Much love to one another,
Dan
bearcow
18th May 2011, 18:31
To clarify there is a void in the hell like regions of the astral world, this is where most nihilistic thinking people spend time in the after life. It is illusory and not fun. This is not the same as emptiness. Emptiness is the underling truth that makes up all the forms in the temporal reality of the astral and the physical. true reality has non-being. To know true spiritual truth ie start the process of becoming enlightened, one must cultivate emptiness within their own self awareness
form is emptiness; emptiness is form
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!
pie'n'eal
Ok I will step up to the plate, Wisdom don't exist, its man made,
Book's Written by Humans for humans.
Ace
Hello pie‘n’eal
It is my understanding that everything in the Omniverse is composed of atoms which are:
The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force. Likewise, a group of atoms can remain bound to each other, forming a molecule. (Note: Electromagnetic Force).
It is my contention that if you accept the above as a true statement, then everything we know of including the earth is alive; as Lord Sidious has said even rocks.
Best regards to you. JP :cool:
Dear John,
It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!
Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.
We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!
All the best
pie'n'eal
Humans can probe into the earth and into the sky and go under water...
while the earth is bound by it's orbit around the sun,
and it's behaviour is predictable.
Even earthquakes would be predictable if humans had more technology to measure all tectonic stresses building up.
It's all goverend by the law of physics.
Man simply has more choices.
Then there is mind over matter.....
give me another 50,000 years or so and I can fix fissures in the crust.
It's just like gardening, larger scale...
The earth does not have consciousness.
Can you prove that?
cheers
K
Well, K626,
What is meaningful to one may not be meaningful to another, but here goes.
Simply put, what is looking out of your eyes at this moment and what looked out
of them when you were four years old........has never ever changed!!!
That's it! Pure consciousness. You are never with out it. It is you!!!
However, because we get too quickly attracted to things and ideas, we don't
notice the pure perception. The thing seen can only be seen because of consciousness.
Like the words on this white page.
We try too hard.
pie'n'eal
As you said to Sid earlier that's very poetic but essentially only an observation.
Phenomenology?
cheers
K
John Parslow
18th May 2011, 18:43
Hello again pie'n'eal
It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!
Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.
We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!
I agree everything is in constant flux which one might call action and reaction but there are many forces in play most of which we do not understand or do not even have the means to comprehend. I think it is much more likely to be our consciousness that acts as a force rather than sub-consciousness.
We have free will, which must be driven by a conscious action and therefore we initiate the things we wish for or not of course …
As ever my best regards. JP :cool:
I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.
Interested?
K
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!
pie'n'eal
Ok I will step up to the plate, Wisdom don't exist, its man made,
Book's Written by Humans for humans.
Ace
Dear Ace,
Right, deception changes at every level,
But also perception changes at every level.
The ultimate wisdom cannot be expressed in word, true!
It's simplicity is unbelievable.
So we have to go through the process of making a statement,
and then refining it. Level by level.
Constantly checking for self deception!!!
Nothing, no thing is true.
kind regards
pie'n'eal
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I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.
Interested?
K
Yes,yes.....yes!!!
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I on the other hand can prove the earth and us have the same mind.
Interested?
K
I put my yes in the wrong place, YES!!!!!!!!!!
Hello again pie'n'eal
It's in constant movement, it is reacting, yes.
But it cannot initiate anything!
Things are pushed and pulled around.
What creates all of this, probably our collective subconsciousness.
A huge knock on effect.
We are similarly pushed around by the collective.
Meditation gives one space to stop.........................!
I agree everything is in constant flux which one might call action and reaction but there are many forces in play most of which we do not understand or do not even have the means to comprehend. I think it is much more likely to be our consciousness that acts as a force rather than sub-consciousness.
We have free will, which must be driven by a conscious action and therefore we initiate the things we wish for or not of course …
As ever my best regards. JP :cool:
Hmmm...Do we really have free will? We have the intention, but there is lot of 'self' to get through
Yours meant with the best intention
pie'n'eal
Too easy. I see you are mear dabbler in such matters.;)
You want to start with the modulaion between the brain (basically a magnet) and the earth (basically a magnet with a huge iron core).
Take a look at Schumann resonances.
Here
The fundamental frequency ought to be roughly
the time it takes electromagnetic radiation
to go all the way around the spherical shell.
Since the speed of light is about 300,000 km/sec
and one cycle is the circumference
of the Earth, which is about 40,000 km/cycle
the fundamental frequency should be on the order
of 300,000 km/sec
_____________________ = 7.5 cycle/sec
40,0000 km/cycle
A cycle/sec is just a Hz, so that 7.5 cycle/sec is 7.5 Hz.
The Schumann Resonances are actually observed
by experiment to occur at several frequencies
between 6 and 50 cycles per second;
specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz,
with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz.
The 7.8 Hz observed fundamental resonance is
close to the rough theoretical estimate of 7.5 Hz.
and here your brain
The natural frequencies of the Human Brain are:
Beta waves (14 to 30 Hz),
Alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz),
Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz), and
Delta waves (1 to 3 Hz).
Alpha frequencies
have been associated with meditation and relaxation.
Theta frequencies
have been associated with a dreamy, creative states.
To cut a rather long and complex short when the brain harmonises with the earths resonance it becomes calm, relaxed and creative.
Like child finding mother.
We ARE THE PLANET AND WE ARE WIN.:cool:
It's one of the reasons astronauts health deteriorates so fast once away from the earths
magnetic fields (resonance)...But that is another story...
cheers
K
To clarify there is a void in the hell like regions of the astral world, this is where most nihilistic thinking people spend time in the after life. It is illusory and not fun. This is not the same as emptiness. Emptiness is the underling truth that makes up all the forms in the temporal reality of the astral and the physical. true reality has non-being. To know true spiritual truth ie start the process of becoming enlightened, one must cultivate emptiness within their own self awareness
form is emptiness; emptiness is form
I'm bias.........perfect!
Lettherebelight
18th May 2011, 18:55
Everything is simultaneously one consciousness, yet individual consciousness.
Achintya beda beda tattva..
Push beyond what you think you know. Everything is personal, spiritual personalities.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qi3Gl1hG0ms/Ta-bVw0qLEI/AAAAAAAAALk/pAoyGl0pNsc/s640/native_american_card-1.jpg
There are personalities so far ahead of us in consciousness, that we are unable to comprehend.
Too easy. I see you are mear dabbler in such matters.;)
You want to start with the modulaion between the brain (basically a magnet) and the earth (basically a magnet with a huge iron core).
Take a look at Schumann resonances.
Here
The fundamental frequency ought to be roughly
the time it takes electromagnetic radiation
to go all the way around the spherical shell.
Since the speed of light is about 300,000 km/sec
and one cycle is the circumference
of the Earth, which is about 40,000 km/cycle
the fundamental frequency should be on the order
of 300,000 km/sec
_____________________ = 7.5 cycle/sec
40,0000 km/cycle
A cycle/sec is just a Hz, so that 7.5 cycle/sec is 7.5 Hz.
The Schumann Resonances are actually observed
by experiment to occur at several frequencies
between 6 and 50 cycles per second;
specifically 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39 and 45 Hertz,
with a daily variation of about +/- 0.5 Hertz.
The 7.8 Hz observed fundamental resonance is
close to the rough theoretical estimate of 7.5 Hz.
and here your brain
The natural frequencies of the Human Brain are:
Beta waves (14 to 30 Hz),
Alpha waves (8 to 13 Hz),
Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz), and
Delta waves (1 to 3 Hz).
Alpha frequencies
have been associated with meditation and relaxation.
Theta frequencies
have been associated with a dreamy, creative states.
To cut a rather long and complex short when the brain harmonises with the earths resonance it becomes calm, relaxed and creative.
Like child finding mother.
We ARE THE PLANET AND WE ARE WIN.:cool:
It's one of the reasons astronauts health deteriorates so fast once away from the earths
magnetic fields (resonance)...But that is another story...
cheers
K
Bloody clever!!!
Whose brain going to do this?
Most of us are just plain naughty!
You make me smile,
pie'n'eal
Carmody
18th May 2011, 19:13
And our attempts at global consciousness rely upon us communicating our differences to one another. so we can understand he context of our individuality and simultaneously find our similarities and connections. To find the unity point of all. Past, future, and the now.
This is where facebook, yahoo, Google can be ..and are...dangerous. Incredibly dangerous.
They are attempting to cocoon, to re-envelop the emergent duality being's attempts to come to the strength of the individual in the moment of the eternal now.
Raed this:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20749-What-YOU-see-on-the-internet-is-different-than-next-door...there-is-no-privacy&p=222196&viewfull=1#post222196
And, as I attempt to do this (put this post together), I get the(kind of) phone call(s) (that I get) from an unknown source that has a complex warble likened to that of a fax machine, but is not.
Consciousness which we all share needs content.
Awareness, which is what we are, is complete and does not need anything to be aware that it is.
Chris
Dear Chris,
Words and experience are not easy to put together, especially when we use them differently.
However this is fun!
From the point of view I follow, one uses mindfulness to remember awareness, and awarenesss
to realise consciousness. After that one just washes all concepts away, so nothing is clinging.
But as you say, there are some powerful qualities left, which have always been there!
pie'n'eal
greybeard
18th May 2011, 19:38
Consciousness which we all share needs content.
Awareness, which is what we are, is complete and does not need anything to be aware that it is.
Chris
Dear Chris,
Words and experience are not easy to put together, especially when we use them differently.
However this is fun!
From the point of view I follow, one uses mindfulness to remember awareness, and awarenesss
to realise consciousness. After that one just washes all concepts away, so nothing is clinging.
But as you say, there are some powerful qualities left, which have always been there!
pie'n'eal
Yes pi'n'eal
Words mean what I say they mean Lol
We are more or less saying the same thing
regards c
Lettherebelight
18th May 2011, 19:39
This is the daily prayer addressed to Bhumi Devi as soon as one wakes up from bed and before setting his foot on earth.
Samudhra Vasane Devi,
Parvatha Sthana Mandithe,
Vishnu Pathni Namasthubhyam
Pada Sparsam Kshamasva Mae
Meaning of the Prayer
Salutations to the divine wife of Lord Vishnu,
Who is clothed by oceans,
And is adorned prettily by the mountains,
Pardon me mother, for setting my foot on you
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_167-sL7Cczk/TCPUhWdwrZI/AAAAAAAABiY/ZiDhshJ9Ww0/s400/MotherEarthNoText.jpg
And our attempts at global consciousness rely upon us communicating our differences to one another. so we can understand he context of our individuality and simultaneously find our similarities and connections. To find the unity point of all. Past, future, and the now.
This is where facebook, yahoo, Google can be ..and are...dangerous. Incredibly dangerous.
They are attempting to cocoon, to re-envelop the emergent duality being's attempts to come to the strength of the individual in the moment of the eternal now.
Raed this:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20749-What-YOU-see-on-the-internet-is-different-than-next-door...there-is-no-privacy&p=222196&viewfull=1#post222196
And, as I attempt to do this (put this post together), I get the(kind of) phone call(s) (that I get) from an unknown source that has a complex warble likened to that of a fax machine, but is not.
Dear Carmody,
You are far too magnetic!
By the way.................now cannot be found!
If you find now, that would be duality. A constant grasping as opposed to a constant letting be.
(I'm starting to get blissed out.........................)
pie'n'eal
Revere
18th May 2011, 20:07
I believe that your statement can be answered very likely false. If you want the answers and have time begin your search with some of the Princeton PEAR lab studies especially the consciousness experiments. It seems that Plants, brine shrimp and random event generators (regs) are all integrated or affected with our human consciousness field. Some living things seem to react to our intentions upon them. Why not the whole planet? How would you measure that interaction is a real problem? We seem to be all interconnected to everything through consciousness. So, our reality may be based on a consciousness field. The ramifications of the interrelationship of the consciousness field with reality are astounding IMO. Maybe a better question ends up being what is consciousness? Then we could understand who or what has it? In the end the answer is how we decide to apply the data of consciousness experiments to our reality to what conclusions we make. Does the earth produce anxiety shudders when you decide to strip mine it, as a plant does when you decide to cut it down? Hmmm how do measure that reaction?
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/...ld-effects.pdf
Peace,
Bob
I believe that your statement can be answered very likely false. If you want the answers and have time begin your search with some of the Princeton PEAR lab studies especially the consciousness experiments. It seems that Plants, brine shrimp and random event generators (regs) are all integrated or affected with our human consciousness field. Some living things seem to react to our intentions upon them. Why not the whole planet? How would you measure that interaction is a real problem? We seem to be all interconnected to everything through consciousness. So, our reality may be based on a consciousness field. The ramifications of the interrelationship of the consciousness field with reality are astounding IMO. Maybe a better question ends up being what is consciousness? Then we could understand who or what has it? In the end the answer is how we decide to apply the data of consciousness experiments to our reality to what conclusions we make. Does the earth produce anxiety shudders when you decide to strip mine it, as a plant does when you decide to cut it down? Hmmm how do measure that reaction?
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/...ld-effects.pdf
Peace,
Bob
Dear Revere,
You are really pushing the grey matter!
All sentient beings creature or human have a mind, they can initiate. Though most of the time they just react! Phenomena are not conscious, they cannot initiate. Though they can react involuntarily. Some so called plants are on the border line of being conscious (though I do not know, researcher are still looking into this).
Reality has nothing to do with the place you are in, this includes the body.
Pure consciousness is reality. It is beyond thinking, but not beyond knowing.
All the best
pie'n'eal
truthseekerdan
18th May 2011, 20:29
Everything we hear, touch, see, taste and smell are all constantly changing; that is why we call it illusion... to the contrary, Consciousness is the same as always; It's the only True by nature.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrQqxn0wq90
Revere
18th May 2011, 21:28
I believe that your statement can be answered very likely false. If you want the answers and have time begin your search with some of the Princeton PEAR lab studies especially the consciousness experiments. It seems that Plants, brine shrimp and random event generators (regs) are all integrated or affected with our human consciousness field. Some living things seem to react to our intentions upon them. Why not the whole planet? How would you measure that interaction is a real problem? We seem to be all interconnected to everything through consciousness. So, our reality may be based on a consciousness field. The ramifications of the interrelationship of the consciousness field with reality are astounding IMO. Maybe a better question ends up being what is consciousness? Then we could understand who or what has it? In the end the answer is how we decide to apply the data of consciousness experiments to our reality to what conclusions we make. Does the earth produce anxiety shudders when you decide to strip mine it, as a plant does when you decide to cut it down? Hmmm how do measure that reaction?
http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/...ld-effects.pdf
Peace,
Bob
Dear Revere,
You are really pushing the grey matter!
All sentient beings creature or human have a mind, they can initiate. Though most of the time they just react! Phenomena are not conscious, they cannot initiate. Though they can react involuntarily. Some so called plants are on the border line of being conscious (though I do not know, researcher are still looking into this).
Reality has nothing to do with the place you are in, this includes the body.
Pure consciousness is reality. It is beyond thinking, but not beyond knowing.
All the best
pie'n'eal
Pie,
I know what you are saying and philosophy is one way to describe it as you have done but does it really say what consciousness is in fact?
BTW What grey matter? LOL such debates are done in black & white terms...LOL
But, if this question is important enough, take a little trip for fun down it from these experimental perspectives. They hint at our interconnectedness for sure but does that also imply that there is some sort of consciousness field there even around non-living matter? (Why does a car loved by its owner work perfectly until someone borrows it and it breaks or does not operate the same?) Our consciousness is shown to affect machines as well in real experiments beyond my analogy.
Plus, what about the observer affect on experiments? Seriously, there is scientific information that hints in another direction if one keeps an open mind to it? How interactive is the planet with all the living organisms on, in and around it. I recommend two books around these subjects; The Intention Experiment, by Lynne McTaggart and The Biology of Belief, by Bruce Lipton Ph.D. Both are fascinating and based on cutting edge science. The stuff, which main stream head in the sand types ignore. LOL
I have found for me that science is beginning to explain Spirituality and Mysticism & Spirituality are beginning to explain Science. Free will is still in our hands.
I’m done here enjoy your search if you choose too play with it... for your truth.
Peace & Fun,
-R-
Is the Earth conscious.....:wave: ?????
dddanieljjjamesss
18th May 2011, 22:39
Or, better yet
Consciousness has the Earth.
nomadguy
19th May 2011, 03:06
Here is a helpful hint, can you communicate with earths energy? Give it a try, I have no idea what might come of it for another.
FOr me I stand under a tree and put my hand on its bark. Then I empty my thoughts.
let me know if anything interesting happens for you, You have a tone ~ that tone is you. Earth has a tone ~ this tone is Earth and you are a part of it. We are a symphony when together. ~ I find this post very interesting, please continue.
Dear Greybeard,
I've pondered and pondered.
In Buddhism, 75% one can know, 25% is inference, 5% is hidden (meaning there is work to do).
As a Buddhist I do not believe anything. As a Buddhist I do not believe in a God.
However, however....I could say, that I believe in the very nature of God. That very nature of God,
is also my very own nature. So maybe at the heart of it all we are One or a unity.
But, we express it in individual ways! Otherwise it might be quite boring!!!
The most important point, especially in these times is peace of mind. However one sees life,
consciousness or being, to have confidence in it. Basically we are talking about natural goodness!
And it doesn't matter what we call it.
The most beautiful thing in the universe is caring. About the planet and one another.
Your new mate,
pie'n'eal
Here is a helpful hint, can you communicate with earths energy? Give it a try, I have no idea what might come of it for another.
FOr me I stand under a tree and put my hand on its bark. Then I empty my thoughts.
let me know if anything interesting happens for you, You have a tone ~ that tone is you. Earth has a tone ~ this tone is Earth and you are a part of it. We are a symphony when together. ~ I find this post very interesting, please continue.
Dear Nomadguy,
You make an interesting point.
Being one with nature is so natural. Probably meaning...no people!
I do feel that everything that happens to us here, has meaning.
The Earth and those around us reflect our own consciousness ... or the level that it is at.
It is the symbolic teacher.
If one came to the conclusion that ones true essence, is absolutely pure and has a knowing quality.
One would be at total peace. However, one would look around and that everyone else had those
very same qualities.........but did not notice them. Therefore great compassion would arise.
Compassion being our third sublime quality.
So, when looking out, while seeing all this beauty, one also saw a great deal of wonkiness!!
Because one had realised one own true nature, when seeing anything wonky, it would
immediately remind one of ones true nature. So everything is symbolic.
Wonky meaning, seeing things as real.
How's that for wonky thinking?
yours
pie'n'eal
PixieDust
20th May 2011, 02:08
I just skimmed through all the posts so forgive me if someone else as already stated this point. But my experience with the earths conciousness, which could have different meaning to each individual as i saw as i skimmed, is i believe it does because i believe it is a living being. Growing up i never thought the earth itself was alive but supported living beings with conciousness. One day somewhat recent, durring the hightened period of solar flares shooting out and destroying the earth i was sitting outside and all the sudden i got smacked in the head with an idea. Ya know "i have an idea!" "did it hurt?"... yeah kinda haha! the earth is alive, it has a circulatory system (the magnium and lava fields) lungs (the plants, deeply imbedded into the earth) a heart (the core) and skin (obvious.) It needs vitamins minerals and nutrients to stay alive much as all living things and it has a co depedency with everything living on it. As in nature you see this often, the clown fish living with the enemeny, the sucker fish on the sharks ect, you see it in many different forms. I'm not talking about parasites because parasites usually harm the host. Humans could actually be considered parasites to the earth. My second thought was that if the solar flares were going to hit the earth would "roll over" erupting the volcanos causing an ice age and emence cloud cover. The earth would most likely survive, saving itself. So i think the earth is alive and living, its not a plant or an animal, insect bird, virus, parasite or single celled organism, it is a planet plain and simple a different form of life and just like all forms of life no matter how big or small or seemingly "dead" it has a concious and just wants to live.
nomadguy
20th May 2011, 06:31
Here is a helpful hint, can you communicate with earths energy? Give it a try, I have no idea what might come of it for another.
FOr me I stand under a tree and put my hand on its bark. Then I empty my thoughts.
let me know if anything interesting happens for you, You have a tone ~ that tone is you. Earth has a tone ~ this tone is Earth and you are a part of it. We are a symphony when together. ~ I find this post very interesting, please continue.
Dear Nomadguy,
You make an interesting point.
Being one with nature is so natural. Probably meaning...no people!
I do feel that everything that happens to us here, has meaning.
The Earth and those around us reflect our own consciousness ... or the level that it is at.
It is the symbolic teacher.
If one came to the conclusion that ones true essence, is absolutely pure and has a knowing quality.
One would be at total peace. However, one would look around and that everyone else had those
very same qualities.........but did not notice them. Therefore great compassion would arise.
Compassion being our third sublime quality.
So, when looking out, while seeing all this beauty, one also saw a great deal of wonkiness!!
Because one had realised one own true nature, when seeing anything wonky, it would
immediately remind one of ones true nature. So everything is symbolic.
Wonky meaning, seeing things as real.
How's that for wonky thinking?
yours
pie'n'eal
oooh that's quite good! there is no doing without the do-er ~ Earth is my teacher ~ I too do not believe anything. and I want to clarify that. I mean specifically I do not believe because, believing I feel is when you stop thinking and the game of life I enjoy so much ends and I lose my point of view, my point of view being the one and only true ME. :llama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqmkRrFYO1w&feature=related
Dear Nomadguy,
You make an interesting point.
Being one with nature is so natural. Probably meaning...no people!
I do feel that everything that happens to us here, has meaning.
The Earth and those around us reflect our own consciousness ... or the level that it is at.
It is the symbolic teacher.
If one came to the conclusion that ones true essence, is absolutely pure and has a knowing quality.
One would be at total peace. However, one would look around and that everyone else had those
very same qualities.........but did not notice them. Therefore great compassion would arise.
Compassion being our third sublime quality.
So, when looking out, while seeing all this beauty, one also saw a great deal of wonkiness!!
Because one had realised one own true nature, when seeing anything wonky, it would
immediately remind one of ones true nature. So everything is symbolic.
Wonky meaning, seeing things as real.
How's that for wonky thinking?
yours
pie'n'eal
oooh that's quite good! there is no doing without the do-er ~ Earth is my teacher ~ I too do not believe anything. and I want to clarify that. I mean specifically I do not believe because, believing I feel is when you stop thinking and the game of life I enjoy so much ends and I lose my point of view, my point of view being the one and only true ME. :llama:
Dear Nomadguy,
'Earth is my teacher'.
Yes, I would agree, that being here is our path/teacher.
Our basic 'ground' is already pure. In it there is nothing to do or find out. It just is.
Our 'path' is the same as the 'ground' but it is obscured, for the moment.
Our job here is just to uncover the obscurations, to reveal the 'ground'.
The problem is if we do anything, we increase the obscuration!
Because this pure being, is getting involved with something external, which has no reality.
Getting too involved can make an illusion seem real.
The moment we stop getting involved (distracted) we are free, and no karma is acquired.
Karma= obscuration. Obscuration = deeper grove in the 'path'.
So why do anything? Well, firstly we have to accept that we have a bit of an ego (path).
Because we have a body there are things to be done. If things are done without clinging,
or holding on, or getting involved then we have a degree of liberation. Gradually the layers
of obscuration fall away, to reveal the 'ground'.
Once self liberation is underway, and one has some degree of sanity, then the most important
job starts. Others being more important than self. Meeting with difficult people is part of the
'path'. It actually helps.
Enjoying life can take on another meaning. But it can be tinged with sadness, which acceptable.
pie'n'eal
I just skimmed through all the posts so forgive me if someone else as already stated this point. But my experience with the earths conciousness, which could have different meaning to each individual as i saw as i skimmed, is i believe it does because i believe it is a living being. Growing up i never thought the earth itself was alive but supported living beings with conciousness. One day somewhat recent, durring the hightened period of solar flares shooting out and destroying the earth i was sitting outside and all the sudden i got smacked in the head with an idea. Ya know "i have an idea!" "did it hurt?"... yeah kinda haha! the earth is alive, it has a circulatory system (the magnium and lava fields) lungs (the plants, deeply imbedded into the earth) a heart (the core) and skin (obvious.) It needs vitamins minerals and nutrients to stay alive much as all living things and it has a co depedency with everything living on it. As in nature you see this often, the clown fish living with the enemeny, the sucker fish on the sharks ect, you see it in many different forms. I'm not talking about parasites because parasites usually harm the host. Humans could actually be considered parasites to the earth. My second thought was that if the solar flares were going to hit the earth would "roll over" erupting the volcanos causing an ice age and emence cloud cover. The earth would most likely survive, saving itself. So i think the earth is alive and living, its not a plant or an animal, insect bird, virus, parasite or single celled organism, it is a planet plain and simple a different form of life and just like all forms of life no matter how big or small or seemingly "dead" it has a concious and just wants to live.
Dear Pixiedust,
It does seem like that. But without YOU the Earth would not be appreciated.
Your body is made from the same stuff as the Earth. We should care for them.
However they are both temporary, YOU are not.
The earth is not a dead thing, it is alive with movement. Because it is crawling with
consciousnesses.
I still like your point of view!!!
If it uplifts, inspires, that is truly wonderful.
pie'n'eal
TraineeHuman
20th May 2011, 08:15
If seeing is believing, I have seen the Earth Consciousness on a number of occasions – or, rather, its aura. The aura is an amber-orange colour, but if you’re looking from a position in space some distance from this planet it looks a light brown. I’ve seen this amber-orange field always stretching at least to the horizon in every direction. I’ve noticed that it comes and envelops groups of people, or myself on my own, when they are engaged in certain forms of meditation which are in effect invoking the Earth Consciousness’s amazingly strong psychological healing powers. But you have to ask the right way, and then it will appear, and it’s so powerful it seems to always leave people stunned by its intensity.
Some of the other posts talk about feeling the beauty of nature. But that’s something different. A different thing again is to directly experience nature spirits. Some of them seem to be more intelligent and aware than most human beings.
Carmody
20th May 2011, 08:35
I’ve noticed that it comes and envelops groups of people, or myself on my own, when they are engaged in certain forms of meditation which are in effect invoking the Earth Consciousness’s amazingly strong psychological healing powers.
"when they are engaged in certain forms of meditation which are in effect invoking the Earth Consciousness’s amazingly strong psychological healing powers"
Yes. I used to prepare for meditating, by meditating on warm bedrock, on the edge of the world's largest fault line. Also in a semi hot-spot. I would lie there, eyes wide open. In basically the same stilled breathing method, that I had taught myself at the age of 8.5. Eyes wide open. Staring straight up into the night splendor of space. I would still myself and connect to the mass of the earth and it's rotation-among other things. (spiraling pair long tailed pinkish violet shooting star, once) I'd lie like that for about an hour, maybe more. Then go meditate. And Flit about, as one is wont to do.
If seeing is believing, I have seen the Earth Consciousness on a number of occasions – or, rather, its aura. The aura is an amber-orange colour, but if you’re looking from a position in space some distance from this planet it looks a light brown. I’ve seen this amber-orange field always stretching at least to the horizon in every direction. I’ve noticed that it comes and envelops groups of people, or myself on my own, when they are engaged in certain forms of meditation which are in effect invoking the Earth Consciousness’s amazingly strong psychological healing powers. But you have to ask the right way, and then it will appear, and it’s so powerful it seems to always leave people stunned by its intensity.
Some of the other posts talk about feeling the beauty of nature. But that’s something different. A different thing again is to directly experience nature spirits. Some of them seem to be more intelligent and aware than most human beings.
Dear Traineehuman,
This is interesting.
This is also outside my understanding.
May I ask, "Does the Earth reveal anything?"
Every thing has an energy in and around it, a vibration.
My body does this.
We can be in tune with the Earth and Universe,
and feel it's beauty. The beauty of creation.
However, creations are impermanent.
The universe is in constant play, pushing and pulling.
It cannot help itself, it is subject to cause and effect.
It cannot stop.
Maybe it's how we define consciousness
that make us see things differently.
Maybe if we can reach a certain level of consciousness,
we can then play with universal consciousness... matter!
If I played with some clay, and so did Michealangelo there
would be an obvious difference.
However...and here I have no personal proof, a realised person
could create clay out of nothing. But that is just heresay........
This comes from the stories of Milarepa, someone who was enlightened
in one lifetime.
All the best
pie'n'eal
Darla Ken Pearce
20th May 2011, 09:02
Greetings.
I'd like to address the topic of discussion only and will not be contributing further ~ these are some of my thoughts I would like to share with you by way of a counterpoint.
To say that Earth has no consciousness, is to make a serious judgment based on your own 3D limitations in duality and nothing more. Earth has consciousness and much more. We can know this intrinsically without any books, theories, or labels by simply raising our own consciousness to a higher degree.
In discussions, we might concern ourselves with rising our own consciousness, anyway, so we can ascend with her, as she takes her new place in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Since Earth has offered you sanctuary, and you are beginning a discussion based on this negative statement of lack, I can't help but wonder if you are ungrateful or not understanding of all the love and service provided to you, since you are living on Gaia, and therefore seem to have accepted her hospitality. Possibly for more than one lifetime.
Those who cannot find it in their hearts to appreciate Earth and the many blessings she has bestowed upon us ~ may not be ascending with her for much longer. Is it your intent to dishonor her by placing your own conscious limitations upon her while speaking without gratitude about her?
My goal is to cherish, love, and honor, our Mother Gaia and to assist her and as many of her children, as possible, to ascend, so I would beg to differ in this matter about consciousness.
Further, I would ask that you reconsider your position.
As the shift is taking place now, let us speak of positive ways in which we can enrich our lives and the lives of others through kind considerations of topics that uplift us and our Mother Earth instead of placing additional barriers and veils over our eyes that may distract us from the real goal of ascension.
May we honor her instead, and I'd like to express my great love and appreciation for all she has given me throughout many lifetimes. I ask that we each honor her for these things with a grateful heart. And so it is.... Much love! xoxoxox
Seikou-Kishi
20th May 2011, 09:06
I agree. I think everything has consciousness. The Earth has a spirit which is amazing. It could simply be akin to what in human terms would be a body intelligence, it could be something on a par with our own spirits, or it could be something far transcendent. All I know is I like it :D
In addition:
I would posit that the consciousness, which is the fundamental principle of existence and which exists in a state deny the binary polarity of 'thinking thing' vs 'thought thing' such that the consciousness does, in language most approximating the truth, 'thinks itself', necessitates that everything that can be experienced exists on some level.
I would deny the absolute demarcation of what is the physical plane and what is the astral plane; the astral plane is the plane on which the imagination informs reality. What we call the physical world is a dream within the astral plane which has 'thought itself' for so long that it has become very solid and unyielding. In physical terms, we might say the astral plane is liquid, and the physical plane is that part of the astral plane which has frozen solid; essentially it is made up of the same stuff, just in a less energetic state.
Everything in the 'universe of modern physics', that is to say every atom, every tree, stone and lake has an existence beyond what we see. All the bodies and entities in the world exist and seem pre-eminently to exist because they have locked themselves into their forms in what might best be described as habituation. The physical world thinks itself so strongly, it believes in itself so completely that it seems to us to be pre-eminently 'existant' as aforesaid.
All experiences, at least in the astral and 'physical' plane(s), are because consciousness contorts itself into a scenario which is then played out. The physical world is only one of many theatres created on the astral plane (others, like dreams, are much more fluid and transitory) and it insists upon itself. Daydreams, dreams, hallucinations... all of these things are worlds being created and destroyed by your imagination. They're gone in a moment, though. We haven't believed in them for anywhere near as long as we've believed in this place, so it always seems more real. These beliefs and thoughts which create our reality are habits; the longer they're held, the longer they take to break.
Any beings here to assist us in re-awakening (we can never simply 'awaken', since we all must have descended before we could rise; nothing comes from beneath that hasn't first fallen) are simply those who have not convinced themselves into our theatre. In terms of "consciousness physics", we might say that our current, physical universe is a centre of gravity for consciousness. Consciousness dips in by believing, and the longer it believes the further it sinks into the theatre - and the actors all method act until they believe they are their characters.
Earth cannot not have a consciousness. The Earth that you see, that your feet rest upon and which rushes wind through your hair - that's its consciousness crystalised. It is the frozen, solid face of a mutual/co-dependent entity whose existence extends right back to the source, like the rest of us. Is it's consciousness a thought, or a thinker? The distinction is meaningless when the only fabric in the entire world is consciousness.
TraineeHuman
20th May 2011, 09:18
Pie’n’eal, unfortunately I don’t have the ability to control the Earth Consciousness, except in the very weak sense that I know how to invite it to come. Then it does what it pleases, but it’s always very benevolent.
Anybody can learn to do the same. One thing I’m reminded of is when I became serious about meditation, which was at age fourteen. I used to notice that as I got “deeper” in, in tangible ways it was as if my energy field expanded more and more. What I mean is that I seemed to become aware of all the noises and scents and lights and movements and everything else that was going on around me. Eventually it seemed as though I was “tuned in” to literally everything as far as the horizon. Then, going “deeper”, it felt like my field of consciousness would expand to an indefinitely large size. Eventually it would go beyond the world of forms and space and into the Void, but with the world of forms still there but now just a small part of things. Probably around that point, I would say I would be in contact with the Earth Consciousness, usually without knowing it.
Why I believe everybody can do this is that that was my experience pretty much as a beginner at meditation. And from what I’ve heard and read, that feeling of greater and greater expansion is common and noticeable for beginners at meditation (or contemplation, or deep prayer, which is wordless), if they persist. For instance, if they’re using a mantra, soon it seems as if not only you are saying the mantra but an ever-increasing area around you in all directions is saying the mantra as well. People really do experience that as beginners. In fact, as beginners they’re not familiar with slipping into formlessness. So they’ll maybe notice more easily when they’ve reached an expansion of awareness to being as big as the Earth.
Pie’n’eal, unfortunately I don’t have the ability to control the Earth Consciousness, except in the very weak sense that I know how to invite it to come. Then it does what it pleases, but it’s always very benevolent.
Anybody can learn to do the same. One thing I’m reminded of is when I became serious about meditation, which was at age fourteen. I used to notice that as I got “deeper” in, in tangible ways it was as if my energy field expanded more and more. What I mean is that I seemed to become aware of all the noises and scents and lights and movements and everything else that was going on around me. Eventually it seemed as though I was “tuned in” to literally everything as far as the horizon. Then, going “deeper”, it felt like my field of consciousness would expand to an indefinitely large size. Eventually it would go beyond the world of forms and space and into the Void, but with the world of forms still there but now just a small part of things. Probably around that point, I would say I would be in contact with the Earth Consciousness, usually without knowing it.
Why I believe everybody can do this is that that was my experience pretty much as a beginner at meditation. And from what I’ve heard and read, that feeling of greater and greater expansion is common and noticeable for beginners at meditation (or contemplation, or deep prayer, which is wordless), if they persist. For instance, if they’re using a mantra, soon it seems as if not only you are saying the mantra but an ever-increasing area around you in all directions is saying the mantra as well. People really do experience that as beginners. In fact, as beginners they’re not familiar with slipping into formlessness. So they’ll maybe notice more easily when they’ve reached an expansion of awareness to being as big as the Earth.
Dear Trainee human,
You hit IT right on the head...........your consciousness expanded! To include the earth and beyond!!!
You are the creator of this dimension.
The next step is to let go of all experiences....even the meditation.
Sentient beings are not enlightened because they do not meditate.
Yogis are not enlightened because they DO meditate.
The trick is to break the meditation to prevent clinging.
Short moments many times.
I spent twenty five years in idiot meditation!!!?
Every little helps!
pie'n'eal
I agree. I think everything has consciousness. The Earth has a spirit which is amazing. It could simply be akin to what in human terms would be a body intelligence, it could be something on a par with our own spirits, or it could be something far transcendent. All I know is I like it :D
In addition:
I would posit that the consciousness, which is the fundamental principle of existence and which exists in a state deny the binary polarity of 'thinking thing' vs 'thought thing' such that the consciousness does, in language most approximating the truth, 'thinks itself', necessitates that everything that can be experienced exists on some level.
I would deny the absolute demarcation of what is the physical plane and what is the astral plane; the astral plane is the plane on which the imagination informs reality. What we call the physical world is a dream within the astral plane which has 'thought itself' for so long that it has become very solid and unyielding. In physical terms, we might say the astral plane is liquid, and the physical plane is that part of the astral plane which has frozen solid; essentially it is made up of the same stuff, just in a less energetic state.
Everything in the 'universe of modern physics', that is to say every atom, every tree, stone and lake has an existence beyond what we see. All the bodies and entities in the world exist and seem pre-eminently to exist because they have locked themselves into their forms in what might best be described as habituation. The physical world thinks itself so strongly, it believes in itself so completely that it seems to us to be pre-eminently 'existant' as aforesaid.
All experiences, at least in the astral and 'physical' plane(s), are because consciousness contorts itself into a scenario which is then played out. The physical world is only one of many theatres created on the astral plane (others, like dreams, are much more fluid and transitory) and it insists upon itself. Daydreams, dreams, hallucinations... all of these things are worlds being created and destroyed by your imagination. They're gone in a moment, though. We haven't believed in them for anywhere near as long as we've believed in this place, so it always seems more real. These beliefs and thoughts which create our reality are habits; the longer they're held, the longer they take to break.
Any beings here to assist us in re-awakening (we can never simply 'awaken', since we all must have descended before we could rise; nothing comes from beneath that hasn't first fallen) are simply those who have not convinced themselves into our theatre. In terms of "consciousness physics", we might say that our current, physical universe is a centre of gravity for consciousness. Consciousness dips in by believing, and the longer it believes the further it sinks into the theatre - and the actors all method act until they believe they are their characters.
Earth cannot not have a consciousness. The Earth that you see, that your feet rest upon and which rushes wind through your hair - that's its consciousness crystalised. It is the frozen, solid face of a mutual/co-dependent entity whose existence extends right back to the source, like the rest of us. Is it's consciousness a thought, or a thinker? The distinction is meaningless when the only fabric in the entire world is consciousness.
Dear OliverS,
I agree everything has consciousness, but is every 'thing' conscious?
Maybe one could say there is clouded consciousness and pure consciousness.
Pure consciousness not recognising it's own nature, mistakes every thing as real.
That's why we are stuck here. Clouded consciousness = ego want to get involved.
Becoming aware, is becoming more and more sensitive. Ego will want to claim it.
Pure awareness will just let it be.
When you leave this body, where will you go?
All the very best
pie'n'eal
Greetings.
I'd like to address the topic of discussion only and will not be contributing further ~ these are some of my thoughts I would like to share with you by way of a counterpoint.
To say that Earth has no consciousness, is to make a serious judgment based on your own 3D limitations in duality and nothing more. Earth has consciousness and much more. We can know this intrinsically without any books, theories, or labels by simply raising our own consciousness to a higher degree.
In discussions, we might concern ourselves with rising our own consciousness, anyway, so we can ascend with her, as she takes her new place in the Milky Way Galaxy.
Since Earth has offered you sanctuary, and you are beginning a discussion based on this negative statement of lack, I can't help but wonder if you are ungrateful or not understanding of all the love and service provided to you, since you are living on Gaia, and therefore seem to have accepted her hospitality. Possibly for more than one lifetime.
Those who cannot find it in their hearts to appreciate Earth and the many blessings she has bestowed upon us ~ may not be ascending with her for much longer. Is it your intent to dishonor her by placing your own conscious limitations upon her while speaking without gratitude about her?
My goal is to cherish, love, and honor, our Mother Gaia and to assist her and as many of her children, as possible, to ascend, so I would beg to differ in this matter about consciousness.
Further, I would ask that you reconsider your position.
As the shift is taking place now, let us speak of positive ways in which we can enrich our lives and the lives of others through kind considerations of topics that uplift us and our Mother Earth instead of placing additional barriers and veils over our eyes that may distract us from the real goal of ascension.
May we honor her instead, and I'd like to express my great love and appreciation for all she has given me throughout many lifetimes. I ask that we each honor her for these things with a grateful heart. And so it is.... Much love! xoxoxox
Dear Darla,
If, the Earth is conscious, she will just continue to love.
True love is unconditional.
lots and lots of love
pie'n'eal
PixieDust
20th May 2011, 13:49
I just skimmed through all the posts so forgive me if someone else as already stated this point. But my experience with the earths conciousness, which could have different meaning to each individual as i saw as i skimmed, is i believe it does because i believe it is a living being. Growing up i never thought the earth itself was alive but supported living beings with conciousness. One day somewhat recent, durring the hightened period of solar flares shooting out and destroying the earth i was sitting outside and all the sudden i got smacked in the head with an idea. Ya know "i have an idea!" "did it hurt?"... yeah kinda haha! the earth is alive, it has a circulatory system (the magnium and lava fields) lungs (the plants, deeply imbedded into the earth) a heart (the core) and skin (obvious.) It needs vitamins minerals and nutrients to stay alive much as all living things and it has a co depedency with everything living on it. As in nature you see this often, the clown fish living with the enemeny, the sucker fish on the sharks ect, you see it in many different forms. I'm not talking about parasites because parasites usually harm the host. Humans could actually be considered parasites to the earth. My second thought was that if the solar flares were going to hit the earth would "roll over" erupting the volcanos causing an ice age and emence cloud cover. The earth would most likely survive, saving itself. So i think the earth is alive and living, its not a plant or an animal, insect bird, virus, parasite or single celled organism, it is a planet plain and simple a different form of life and just like all forms of life no matter how big or small or seemingly "dead" it has a concious and just wants to live.
Dear Pixiedust,
It does seem like that. But without YOU the Earth would not be appreciated.
Your body is made from the same stuff as the Earth. We should care for them.
However they are both temporary, YOU are not.
The earth is not a dead thing, it is alive with movement. Because it is crawling with
consciousnesses.
I still like your point of view!!!
If it uplifts, inspires, that is truly wonderful.
pie'n'eal
So, youre basically saying having conciousness is having a soul? Just because something is temporary doesn't mean it doesnt have a soul. I think if a being is concious enough to want to live then it has a soul, because without a soul there would be nothing driving the being forward. Yes our bodies are temporary, but they have a soul, the core of who we are, the part that moves on when our bodies are done. Its quite interesting for you to say the earth is souless. Yes its hard to see it because its hard to differentiate the earths energy and the the energy on the earth. The Earth shifts and moves, it flows and is constantly changing, i think it even grows and shrinks. If you go to a seemingly empty land, like a desert where there aren't any other living creatures you can still feel an energy. Durring the dead of winter when everything is asleep, there is still an energy. That energy i believe is the earth. Just because you haven't been there to see a planet die and be reborn in a different shell doesn't mean they dont have a life cycle. What if different dimensions are just the Earths past and future lives? regaurdless you open a very interesting topic that i am enjoying reading. :)
I just skimmed through all the posts so forgive me if someone else as already stated this point. But my experience with the earths conciousness, which could have different meaning to each individual as i saw as i skimmed, is i believe it does because i believe it is a living being. Growing up i never thought the earth itself was alive but supported living beings with conciousness. One day somewhat recent, durring the hightened period of solar flares shooting out and destroying the earth i was sitting outside and all the sudden i got smacked in the head with an idea. Ya know "i have an idea!" "did it hurt?"... yeah kinda haha! the earth is alive, it has a circulatory system (the magnium and lava fields) lungs (the plants, deeply imbedded into the earth) a heart (the core) and skin (obvious.) It needs vitamins minerals and nutrients to stay alive much as all living things and it has a co depedency with everything living on it. As in nature you see this often, the clown fish living with the enemeny, the sucker fish on the sharks ect, you see it in many different forms. I'm not talking about parasites because parasites usually harm the host. Humans could actually be considered parasites to the earth. My second thought was that if the solar flares were going to hit the earth would "roll over" erupting the volcanos causing an ice age and emence cloud cover. The earth would most likely survive, saving itself. So i think the earth is alive and living, its not a plant or an animal, insect bird, virus, parasite or single celled organism, it is a planet plain and simple a different form of life and just like all forms of life no matter how big or small or seemingly "dead" it has a concious and just wants to live.
Dear Pixiedust,
It does seem like that. But without YOU the Earth would not be appreciated.
Your body is made from the same stuff as the Earth. We should care for them.
However they are both temporary, YOU are not.
The earth is not a dead thing, it is alive with movement. Because it is crawling with
consciousnesses.
I still like your point of view!!!
If it uplifts, inspires, that is truly wonderful.
pie'n'eal
So, youre basically saying having conciousness is having a soul? Just because something is temporary doesn't mean it doesnt have a soul. I think if a being is concious enough to want to live then it has a soul, because without a soul there would be nothing driving the being forward. Yes our bodies are temporary, but they have a soul, the core of who we are, the part that moves on when our bodies are done. Its quite interesting for you to say the earth is souless. Yes its hard to see it because its hard to differentiate the earths energy and the the energy on the earth. The Earth shifts and moves, it flows and is constantly changing, i think it even grows and shrinks. If you go to a seemingly empty land, like a desert where there aren't any other living creatures you can still feel an energy. Durring the dead of winter when everything is asleep, there is still an energy. That energy i believe is the earth. Just because you haven't been there to see a planet die and be reborn in a different shell doesn't mean they dont have a life cycle. What if different dimensions are just the Earths past and future lives? regaurdless you open a very interesting topic that i am enjoying reading. :)
Dear Pixidust,
I suppose I'm equating pure consciousness with reality. Something that is real... is constant, never changes.
Something that has no beginning and no end.
After all don't we all want the same thing, to be happy. and that happiness to last forever!
So we want what we already have!!!!
There is energy in all objects, it's in every atom....vibrating frequencies. But it not conscious.
pie'n'eal
truthseekerdan
20th May 2011, 14:45
Greetings.
To say that Earth has no consciousness, is to make a serious judgment based on your own 3D limitations in duality and nothing more. Earth has consciousness and much more. We can know this intrinsically without any books, theories, or labels by simply raising our own consciousness to a higher degree.
May we honor her instead, and I'd like to express my great love and appreciation for all she has given me throughout many lifetimes. I ask that we each honor her for these things with a grateful heart. And so it is.... Much love! xoxoxox
Could not have said it better, thank you Darla. :luv:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ_YrtIF1ro
Namaste ~ Dan
Dear Pixidust,
This doesn't mean that one is indifferent to phenomena.
Through pure consciousness one sees everything as pure.
Respect to all thing and all sentient creatures.
If you are in love, all you see is love.
It's that simple, but not always easy!
pie'n'eal
TraineeHuman
23rd May 2011, 00:28
There is a more everyday way we all have contact with the Earth Consciousness, at least superficially. This is so because there is a chakra that’s about eight inches or so below the feet. If you’re sitting down, it’s still that far below the feet but it’s in a straight line going down from the spine rather than the feet. For some reason, over ninety percent of Western people frequently and “normally” don’t use their connection to this chakra at all. The connection to it is an energy line that goes from the tailbone to that point below the level of the feet. You could say it’s similar to an earth wire. (Energy flows in both directions.) Most people don’t use it, and as a result they are ungrounded nearly all the time. If you look carefully at their energy field, you’ll see it’s floating about eight inches above the ground. Interestingly, the oversoul chakra is about eight inches above the top of the head, so I suspect they may be unconsciously trying to “steady the ship” by trying to somehow “anchor” themselves from above instead of below.
I happen to be familiar enough with kundalini energy to sometimes be able to “see” the “energy” moving when a kundalini awakening occurs. The kundalini actually comes from, and is donated by, the Earth Consciousness. It therefore starts at the chakra below the feet, then makes its way up the body and on to the oversoul point (and then back down the front of the body, actually). In my observation, the “energy” of most kundalini awakenings is so subtle you need to have well-developed clairvoyant “viewing” skills to even notice that it’s there. It’s not as spectacular or as rare as Indian tradition suggests. (In India a hundred and more years ago, anybody who had a kundalini awakening even one time was immediately declared a guru and venerated. But today we really do live in times when it’s much more common to awake, and when it can happen to anybody, and maybe many times over the course of their life.) Whether they realize they’re having such an awakening or not, a person has it whenever they experience a major “breakthrough” of insight, usually regarding what really happened in their childhood, or regarding who they really are.
So, Mother Gaia is so generous she facilitates all our greatest personal insights.
Seikou-Kishi
2nd June 2011, 08:05
All I would say is this: those who say that the Earth has no spirit are like fish who insist there's no water; they miss the obvious because they live in it.
animalspirits
11th June 2011, 00:45
I have to respectively disagree that the Earth does not have consciousness. Not only does she have consciousness, but she is alive. I can hear her breathe. I can feel her heartbeat. I can feel her moods. She is magnificent!
I agree with what was said above that everything has consciousness. The form of consciousness may be different, but it is consciousness none the less. If we do not give respect to the differences, how can we expect respect from life forms older and wiser than we are?
IMO, we Humans make a grave mistake when we take ourselves too seriously in the scheme of the Universe. We are quite small and young. I believe that it is what I refer to as the "mind/ego" that seeks to control us so we believe that we are the end all and are masters of the Earth. If we can learn to trust our heart/soul and our instincts, we are far better served. It is through the heart/soul that we gain the knowledge to expand outward. The mind/ego always tries to hold us close and keep us either afraid of the unknown or to seek new wonders. When we lose the fear, the mind/ego no longer has control and we are free to expand as we wish.
I have always felt that should She want to, the Earth could flick Humans off her back like a bad case of fleas...
Koyaanisqatsi
11th June 2011, 02:54
I believe in the idea of a "oneness". I tend to think we share the same Consciousness as the earth and the cosmos. There exists many dichotomies... So in a sense I disagree with TS.
Vividity
11th June 2011, 03:53
If one believes God swims in the cell (Intelligent Design), then it follows that the Master Poet swims in all matter, willing to endure the ever churning hell furnace tortures of billions of stars, without a walk in the rain, so we can debate freely here at PA
Tony
11th June 2011, 07:07
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Of course we must care for it, everything we do should be caring.
What is of utmost importance is your consciousness. When that is in order, then
it can expand to other's welfare. The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love. To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story.
Tony
shijo
11th June 2011, 08:54
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Of course we must care for it, everything we do should be caring.
What is of utmost importance is your consciousness. When that is in order, then
it can expand to other's welfare. The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love. To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story.
Tony
"The World is in the state its in because of you",this is beyond most peoples understanding Tony,i shall ponder it deeply during this weekends marathon practise session,these things are beyond intellectual understanding and can only be gleaned properly through practise.Tien Tai called this the region of the unfathomable.
Lettherebelight
11th June 2011, 10:54
I don't know if you are playing devil's advocate here or not, pie'n'eal, but the idea of the Earth without consciousness is similar to the understanding of an ant, unaware that there are beings who possess bodies of a different size and nature to itself.
It's difficult to think beyond our conditioning, beyond current maistream science, beyond the information our blunt imperfect senses can provide us.
In the Simad Bhagavatam, Canto 12, the earth, known as Bhumi, speaks the Bhumi Gita, noting how the foolish leaders, 'who are actually playthings in the hands of death, are desiring to conquer me.'
animalspirits
11th June 2011, 11:28
I am fortunate to hold a degree in Biology/Microbiology and have worked as a Chemist. I have a scientific background. I worked as a scientist all my life. I know how scientists think...and I know the limitations that that kind of thought puts on the soul. It binds us to always looking inside the box instead of venturing out of the box to see all the real wonders out there.
Not everyone is able to communicate with other species or even entertain the idea that everything has a soul and that is fine. It is where they are in their own particular path to knowledge.
However, I was fortunate not to fall into what I call 'scientific' mode and base all on science. Science has its uses, but it does very little to enhance the knowledge the soul is able to learn.
I have little use for scientific proof in my own life because our science is in its baby phase and we are quite blind to the greater lessons of science. I always get validation of what I see, but it is not through science.
HaveBlue
11th June 2011, 11:34
Well Tony those that don't respect the forces of nature are no longer with us as a result of such foolhardiness. wear sunscreen. That pretty much makes it the whole story no?
Remember mathematics itself does not exist. It is a man made idea.
But most important 'there is more to heaven and earth than your philosophy'.
Oh, and there are no absoloutes- including any posts made by any of us here on this forum.
Another shrodingers cat is meowing to be let in.
ghostrider
11th June 2011, 12:27
Dr.Micheal Wolf stated he witness the ET's communing with the earth, step outside early in the morning you can feel the earth alive, it will talk to you in spirit, very subtile but you can feel it. I absolutely know the earth is a living being with a consciousness. advanced ET's are called so because their view of the earth/planets is higher = hence advanced, looking from a different perspective on the earth.
OnyxKnight
11th June 2011, 13:17
Anything that appears in the mind is not consciousness.
It is the non-finding of consciousness, that is consciousness.
This doesn't make sense at all.
jimbojp
11th June 2011, 13:40
Does the Earth have conciousness?
To me the word conciosness implies self awareness. So are you asking if the earth is aware of her own seperate existence or is she just a part of a process?
Does that process have self awareness?, it certainly seems to move in an intelligent way.
Hmm my answer is, I don't know!
ponda
11th June 2011, 13:59
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Of course we must care for it, everything we do should be caring.
What is of utmost importance is your consciousness. When that is in order, then
it can expand to other's welfare. The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love. To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story.
Tony
the cycle continues with no bias....
animalspirits
11th June 2011, 14:10
IMO, God is within each and every thing that has energy, including Humans. Because God is in all, we are no more important than anything bearing energy. It is our mind/ego that continues to try and keep us locked into ourselves and therefore separate from everything else. I do not view this as a good thing because we are forever bound to this thing I call the mind/ego.
Telepathic communication does not occur in our minds/egos. It occurs from the soul. If one is able to converse telepathically, they understand what I mean. The communication, while we hear it in our 'heads' does not occur in our 'mind.' It feels very different.
Marikins
11th June 2011, 14:13
pie'n'eal,
If you had a telepathic (or whatever you want to call it) conversation with the Earth, would that convince you it is a consciousness that is aware of itself?
Or would that be an imagining, a delusion?
I think the earth is a consciousness, but is not like humans. When I tune in I get rhythms and waves, timings and flows. I get that there is WAY more to earth than we currently understand or even have concepts for. I also get it wants to teach us but we will not listen which makes Earth sad. I have to agree that I am a filter for this conversation and I may be placing human emotions where none exist, but I am pretty sure Earth is a conscious being.
animalspirits
11th June 2011, 14:21
Marikins,
I find that energy has a slightly difference feel to its consciousness. I believe that the trick is to be able to accept these differences without questioning whether it can be proven. Trust in your instincts without fear of being wrong is, to me, the most important aspect of this work.
I have always felt that the consciousness of the Earth is far more advanced and much older than the Human consciousness. It is Humans that are playing "catch up." We are just the "Babes in the Woods."
Maia Gabrial
11th June 2011, 14:27
Everything is consciousness....
Marikins
11th June 2011, 14:34
I find that energy has a slightly difference feel to its consciousness. I believe that the trick is to be able to accept these differences without questioning whether it can be proven.
Yes, very true Animalspirits. Much appreciated.
Pagan
11th June 2011, 15:50
According to Aser-myth: due to human activity the first pole shift i human history took place 50 million ten thousand and 27 years ago. (To be exact 24/6-2011 will be the exact aniversary of the first poleshift. The poleshift took 3 months to finish, starting 24/6). So in that sense, there is a conciousness. If it deriving from earth or the sun, is the question? Personally I think, as Oden is the sun and as the sun is Oden It's hard to say. Our Galaxy used to be a twin sun system. One of the suns "put down in the moist" and became the earth. So make your pick. Aser myth also says that the poles will shift again "when man again starts to respect the sperm"
You may ask:How did the Aser meassure that long period of time? They did it in the same way as we do to day. They added one year to the next...
ROMANWKT
11th June 2011, 18:10
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Of course we must care for it, everything we do should be caring.
What is of utmost importance is your consciousness. When that is in order, then
it can expand to other's welfare. The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love. To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story.
Tony
THE EARTH HAS NO CONSCIOUSNESS,
Your mind is the paint brush, the earth is your canvass.
And then think of the consensus of the whole humanity, lead by the TPTB
Now you're talking , now you are talking here as it is pie'n'eal.
Regards to all
roman
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 19:31
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
truthseekerdan
11th June 2011, 19:35
Everything is consciousness....
Ditto! God did not create the Universe -- IT Became the Universe!
OnyxKnight
11th June 2011, 20:15
Dear truthseekerdan,
This is indeed marvelous stuff!
But you are talking about impermanent phenomena.
You believe it to be real and solid, which it is not.
Whether its solid or not, does not say if its alive or not/conscious or not.
it is all a dream. If it were truly real, it would not come and go.
It is all made up of causes and conditions.
Being real is being constant, unchanging.
You can call this experience whatever you want, but it doesn't say anything about whether or not, planets can have consciousness.
Since the Earth is not constant and it changes, therefore its unreal?
So are we?
You play with words, yet nothing much is delivered than a personal opinion, based on, well, I can't say what exactly. You just don't support that theory, and that's fine I guess.
I can appreciate your enthusiasm for it, But what is more important than the
phenomena, is your appreciation. Your consciousness. If you were not conscious
the earth would not exist for you. It's consciousness which is the wonderful non stuff!
Now here is the problem, consciousness created this place you live in. You created the life
you are in at this moment. 'Pure consciousness' doesn't need any of this, this is just a vehicle.
Your relative consciousness has to realise, it's ultimate nature.pie'n'eal
Yet again, a play with words, to confuse people, or to just make them agree with you if they find their own understanding in them, via interpretation.
If consciousness created this place we live in, Earth, how can you not consider it to be conscious itself? Maybe a physical mask, or a physical shell, in which the consciousness that created it resides?
Dear Truthseekerdan.
You manifest your creation, I manifest my creation. All creations are a mistaken reality.
I am trying to work through my own delusion.
By inventing another?
I still feel we all have our individual unique consciousnesses.
Which in summary can be considered a collective consciousness of Earth.
However, we can have a similar karmic connection,
so that is why we are here. Hence collective consciousness, or collective delusion!
Tell me something, is the energy in your computer, a separate, unique electrical energy, than the electrical energy in your telephone? Or the energy from the sun?
If the answer is no, your theory falls flat on its bottom.
If the answer is yes, I hope you have a better explanation that would go contrary to the laws of physics pertaining to energy transfer and transformation.
There is a oneness with others, but we will have a different flavour.
However I do not totally dismiss one consciousness.....when I get there.....if I get there.....I'll let you know!
pie'n'eal
Well, some have been.
Remember, the force is that which binds all living things together, like a huge net.
I remember seeing in the qu'ran that even rocks have souls and life.
Dear Lord Sidious,
Poetic, but that doesn't make it true.
pie'n'eal
Actually, Sid does have a point there. If you fail to see the interconnection, how can you say you believe in consciousness and spirituality? As a Buddhist, that should be a red flag for you.
the Earth is a being that has been, for lack of a better way to describe, asleep, and is so far more capable and knowing than we. We are out of our league with it.
Dear Nomadguy,
Your potential is far greater than the Earth's.
One day the earth will fall into the Sun...gone!
You just have to find another home.
pie'n'eal
The Earth will fall into the sun, or its shell?
If we change bodies each incarnation, as individual representations of a collective consciousness, why would it be any different for the collective consciousness to change its "shell" as well? And incarnate another planet (shell)?
My potential (considered from the aspect of things that you propose) is no greater than any other individual on this planet, and as such, surely not greater than the Earth, or the cradle of the entire collective consciousness, in other words.
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
1.- Every object that contains energy, has at least, a fragment of consciousness;
2.- No, you put the wrong field of science. Mathematics does not make the planet move, but the forces entertained in the domans of physics and quantum mechanics :);
3.- We humanize it because we are the active, mobile conscious units of the greater collective that experience the universe the way it is. Its no wonder we would paint the planet with the same brush we paint ourselves.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Even if we populate 10.000 other planets, Earth will always have a sentimental value, and again, for a good reason. If you read my thread, you would know why there is also this fascination with Mars too. Again, for a very good reason.
Its not ignorance that makes us feel these things for these worlds. If you don't understand the reasons behind it, it can be rendered down as a choice. Since the choice to educate yourself or at least leave your mind open to the possibility exists. You choose what side to take.
The thing is, if your view wasn't as illogical as it is, I wouldn't bother commenting on this thread. I would brush the whole thing off as a difference in opinion/viewpoint.
The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
And we reflect the Earth consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love.
Lets explain the 'love' term a bit.
I think what many here tr to tell you is that, if the Earth had a negative, destructive vibration, it will eventually destroy all life that exists on it, in other words, destroy itself. That behavior is self-destructive.
And you have examples of this - an entire universe littered with planets who are no longer alive who no longer have anything alive on them, even though they are not balls of magma, nor complete frozen bodies.
A biosphere, no matter how small and simple, is a sign that the planet has started to 'awaken', and enter a conscious state. Life forms, native life forms, are units through which a greater source of consciousness experiences reality.
If the life forms are from another world, it connects with them and uses them to do this. This is also one of the reasons, some life forms after colonizing another world, with a living biosphere, either they 'adapt' (or embrace the connection) or they perish (or recycle, to be incarnated as "native" life forms someplace else).
The love vibration can be equated to the energy that makes us calm, fulfilled, happy, and with a sense of euphoria. Yes, a single vibration can do this. For more details, you might want to read through a few researches on frequency generation and adaptation, and acoustic arrangement.
This vibration, has to be present within a conscious body, or it disintegrates the physical representation, the body.
To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
Nobody said its going to take care of us, or our bodies. That's your assumption. Our responsibility is to maintain the biosphere in order, and not be self-destructive, the way we are now.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
Oh, maybe you can tell me what I need to do to get there? :)
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story
I respect the connection, nothing more. As there is nothing more there is to it. The interconnection is there, as well as the general connection of all life on Earth to the source of it. Acknowledging this connection's existence automatically means you have to take responsibility and stop whatever destructive behavior you are doing at the moment with it.
This is the same process many living beings go through on other planets. They kill other animals, they waste resources, damage the environment etc., but they eventually come to a similar understanding that we have here. Its at that point of this realization, that a path is taken, towards self-destruction, or self-preservation.
Does the Earth have conciousness?
To me the word conciosness implies self awareness. So are you asking if the earth is aware of her own seperate existence or is she just a part of a process?
Does that process have self awareness?, it certainly seems to move in an intelligent way.
Hmm my answer is, I don't know!
Yes. Consider this, say from a bit more scientific point of view.
We know that energy can not only record, but store information, right?
Since energy cannot be destroyed or created, only imported or changed, when energy with a specific information within it travels and hits a body in space, per say, a planet, the energy is stored in it.
if the planet hosts organic molecules that are the building blocks of life (as we know it or don't know it), the chances are great that this energy is going to bring them to life, or somehow be involved in the process of it.
A rainstorm maybe? An electrical charge containing the information is all its needed to imprint it into the physical properties of the organic mixture, as a genetic code.
Or lest say, heat energy? From hydrothermal vents? Molecules reacting to the heat and creating simple forms of life, akin to viruses. Same transfer of information.
There are multiple examples.
Imagine the Earth's consciousness are a ray of light, and its physical "shell" as a crystal. The reaction creates fragmentation, and each fragment is a separate manifestation of this consciousness (plants, microbes, animals, minerals, intelligent walking beings etc.)
I'm just throwing examples here. Not necessarily pertaining to Earth.
manny
11th June 2011, 20:17
the ant takes it,s leaf to it,s queen.
on the way it say,s to a fellow worker,(is this it,is this our life....there is nothing else)
unbeknown to him their is a ever increasiing universe.
that he cannot see.
for within his lifetime there are other insects,birds ,man.
it all depends on your perpective,
so the ant goes on his way unaware that we are aware of it.
OnyxKnight
11th June 2011, 20:18
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
nearing
11th June 2011, 21:00
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
All of them do:
Our Journey & The Grand Deception : George Kavassilas
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?p=PLF1D0EFF91167B005&feature=mh_lolz
greybeard
11th June 2011, 21:17
The tree has similar DNA to a human.
Everything is atoms in movement.
Everything comes from the field of consciousness
God is one without a second
Everything has life force or it would not be,
Consciousness in this respect does not imply thinking.
So the Earth is conscious like our body it has intelligent operation.
That does not mean that it is aware of humans.
Everything is a wave in the ocean of divinity.
Eventually this earth will subside in to the ocean of Divinity.
There is the out breath of God and the in breath.
The out breath brings everything from the formless to be form.
The in breath returns all creation to formless.
You as life, as God, never cease to be and are eternally aware.
Chris
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 21:39
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
Thanks for that -but I am still not understanding...sorry! Are you saying the biosphere is conscious? Or is the rock itself conscious? Or is it the life on it that is conscious?
Are we saying that inanimate objects have the same consciousness as sentient beings?
Thanks
Tarka
greybeard
11th June 2011, 21:50
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
Thanks for that -but I am still not understanding...sorry! Are you saying the biosphere is conscious? Or is the rock itself conscious? Or is it the life on it that is conscious?
Are we saying that inanimate objects have the same consciousness as sentient beings?
Thanks
Tarka
The same consciousness but to different degrees/levels.
Keeping God out of it.
An inanimate object is atoms in movement that is a scientific fact.
Something keeps the atoms in movement in that form, in that shape.
That something knows what it is doing, it is intelligent. (dont take that to literally)
Words are not sufficient to explain consciousness.
You could say God can take up any shape or form he choses. He becomes the stone, the planet the cosmos.
Chris.
jimbojp
11th June 2011, 21:58
Does the Earth have conciousness?
To me the word conciosness implies self awareness. So are you asking if the earth is aware of her own seperate existence or is she just a part of a process?
Does that process have self awareness?, it certainly seems to move in an intelligent way.
Hmm my answer is, I don't know!
Yes. Consider this, say from a bit more scientific point of view.
We know that energy can not only record, but store information, right?
Since energy cannot be destroyed or created, only imported or changed, when energy with a specific information within it travels and hits a body in space, per say, a planet, the energy is stored in it.
if the planet hosts organic molecules that are the building blocks of life (as we know it or don't know it), the chances are great that this energy is going to bring them to life, or somehow be involved in the process of it.
A rainstorm maybe? An electrical charge containing the information is all its needed to imprint it into the physical properties of the organic mixture, as a genetic code.
Or lest say, heat energy? From hydrothermal vents? Molecules reacting to the heat and creating simple forms of life, akin to viruses. Same transfer of information.
There are multiple examples.
Imagine the Earth's consciousness are a ray of light, and its physical "shell" as a crystal. The reaction creates fragmentation, and each fragment is a separate manifestation of this consciousness (plants, microbes, animals, minerals, intelligent walking beings etc.)
I'm just throwing examples here. Not necessarily pertaining to Earth.
Thats a nice description of a scientific process.Does that process have a conciousness though? Is it aware of itself.
I think sentient beings may have a conciousness, we can view scientificaly the universe in all its beauty, to me that is what consciousness is. It suggests seperation an object and observer.
So is planet earth a sentient being does she have conciousness?
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 22:09
Thanks Chris - so would you say that the intelligence holding the atoms together is God?
Tarka
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 22:17
IMO, God is within each and every thing that has energy, including Humans. Because God is in all, we are no more important than anything bearing energy. It is our mind/ego that continues to try and keep us locked into ourselves and therefore separate from everything else. I do not view this as a good thing because we are forever bound to this thing I call the mind/ego.
Telepathic communication does not occur in our minds/egos. It occurs from the soul. If one is able to converse telepathically, they understand what I mean. The communication, while we hear it in our 'heads' does not occur in our 'mind.' It feels very different.
Can you please explain a little more clearly what you mean when you say that "we are no more important than anything bearing energy". I don't think, given a situation where I had to choose between pushing a child or a rock out of the path of a speeding car, I would have a problem prioritising and going for the child...or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
Thanks
Tarka
greybeard
11th June 2011, 22:17
Thanks Chris - so would you say that the intelligence holding the atoms together is God?
Tarka
Simple answer is yes. BUT we are then into-- what is God? and on it goes.
What we call God is life itself expressing itself in form.
Ultimate formless potential-- becoming form in all its potential.
Best I can do --- thats my understanding of the moment--- not saying I am right.
Chris
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 22:23
Marikins,
I find that energy has a slightly difference feel to its consciousness. I believe that the trick is to be able to accept these differences without questioning whether it can be proven. Trust in your instincts without fear of being wrong is, to me, the most important aspect of this work.
I have always felt that the consciousness of the Earth is far more advanced and much older than the Human consciousness. It is Humans that are playing "catch up." We are just the "Babes in the Woods."
Hello again! If the consciousness of the Earth is so much more advanced than the humans who inhabit it, has it reached a level of enlightenment? Are you saying it is God? Is this heaven then?
Tarka
jimbojp
11th June 2011, 22:24
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
Thanks for that -but I am still not understanding...sorry! Are you saying the biosphere is conscious? Or is the rock itself conscious? Or is it the life on it that is conscious?
Are we saying that inanimate objects have the same consciousness as sentient beings?
Thanks
Tarka
The same consciousness but to different degrees/levels.
Keeping God out of it.
An inanimate object is atoms in movement that is a scientific fact.
Something keeps the atoms in movement in that form, in that shape.
That something knows what it is doing, it is intelligent. (dont take that to literally)
Words are not sufficient to explain consciousness.
You could say God can take up any shape or form he choses. He becomes the stone, the planet the cosmos.
Chris.
So is the conciousness that is in the atoms that make up this world, the same as my conciousness?
Thanks,
Jim.
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 22:27
Thanks Chris - so would you say that the intelligence holding the atoms together is God?
Tarka
Simple answer is yes. BUT we are then into-- what is God? and on it goes.
What we call God is life itself expressing itself in form.
Ultimate formless potential-- becoming form in all its potential.
Best I can do --- thats my understanding of the moment--- not saying I am right.
Chris
So...do you think that there is a tendency to replace the name "God" with "Earth" and endow this planet with divine attributes? Do you think Earth is now being seen as heaven?
Tarka
Tarka the Duck
11th June 2011, 22:34
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
All of them do:
Our Journey & The Grand Deception : George Kavassilas
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?p=PLF1D0EFF91167B005&feature=mh_lolz
Thanks for the link, Nearing - much appreciated. I did watch it, but I am afraid it didn't rock my boat ...! ;)
greybeard
11th June 2011, 22:35
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
Thanks for that -but I am still not understanding...sorry! Are you saying the biosphere is conscious? Or is the rock itself conscious? Or is it the life on it that is conscious?
Are we saying that inanimate objects have the same consciousness as sentient beings?
Thanks
Tarka
The same consciousness but to different degrees/levels.
Keeping God out of it.
An inanimate object is atoms in movement that is a scientific fact.
Something keeps the atoms in movement in that form, in that shape.
That something knows what it is doing, it is intelligent. (dont take that to literally)
Words are not sufficient to explain consciousness.
You could say God can take up any shape or form he choses. He becomes the stone, the planet the cosmos.
Chris.
So is the conciousness that is in the atoms that make up this world, the same as my conciousness?
Thanks,
Jim.
Im not pretending to be an expert.
The understanding I have comes mainly from enlightened spiritual teachers spaning thousands of years all saying the same thing.
Only God is and you are God All waves of the divine ocean.
The Ocean can say it is the wave but the wave can not say it is the Ocean.
That puts a context on it.
We are all aspects of God.
The Earth and all----- seperate functions.
Liken God to electricity,
The same power that makes the TV work also powers the fridge the toaster etc Some use more power than others,
Hope that helps.
If you are interested in enlightenment please visit this thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=240558#post240558
Chris
greybeard
11th June 2011, 22:41
God is eternal.
The earth being form is not eternal.
Chris
jimbojp
11th June 2011, 23:10
God is eternal.
The earth being form is not eternal.
Chris
Would you say that conciousness is eternal?
Does the earth have a conciousness that is eternal?
Thanks.
truthseekerdan
12th June 2011, 03:29
Hello! As a new member, I am curious: do people therefore consider every planet/star/comet etc in the universe to have consciousness? Or is it just our Earth?
Thanks
Tarka
Geologically active and/or, planets/comets/asteroids that have a biosphere on them. Or some form of life.
Thanks for that -but I am still not understanding...sorry! Are you saying the biosphere is conscious? Or is the rock itself conscious? Or is it the life on it that is conscious?
Are we saying that inanimate objects have the same consciousness as sentient beings?
Thanks
Tarka
The same consciousness but to different degrees/levels.
Keeping God out of it.
An inanimate object is atoms in movement that is a scientific fact.
Something keeps the atoms in movement in that form, in that shape.
That something knows what it is doing, it is intelligent. (dont take that to literally)
Words are not sufficient to explain consciousness.
You could say God can take up any shape or form he choses. He becomes the stone, the planet the cosmos.
Chris.
So is the conciousness that is in the atoms that make up this world, the same as my conciousness?
Thanks,
Jim.
YES Jim however, this same consciousness is expressing ITself at different levels of awareness.
Higher consciousness is a place where our individuality is an illusion and where subtle fields of energy, unite all awareness of life into a revealing continuum of light. This quality of our higher consciousness as awareness from intelligence transcends our relationship with the outer world. It allows us a deeper understanding and sense beyond every pattern and form, where a new quality of consciousness can provide us the ability to recognize any subtle sign or expression of a higher level of awareness in our daily lives.
Consciousness is awareness of existence, universal and essential to existence, but it does not create existence. To have consciousness there must be existence. To have existence there must be consciousness. Human consciousness is the basic nature of one's being. It is an awareness of oneself as a fundamentally conscious being. When consciousness emerges, it emerges simultaneously inside space-time and outside space-time to form and awaken the human genius within us.
As conscious beings, we are simultaneously emerging from profound forces that emanate from many levels of consciousness which operate over different time frames and span patterns that are both individual and collective in nature and expression. This multidimensional union links human consciousness and cosmic consciousness with metaphysical form and physical form to create a window of reality between worlds. It allows us to personally experience and share the world of nature and the world of the metaphysical as illuminated beings in the openness of a shared reality.
Much Love ~ Dan
Tony
12th June 2011, 06:48
Hello,
I only started this post to see what reaction it would get. So, what is the conclusion? Well, the answer to that is... that's up to you!
(The main reason for this post was to see how we could orchestrate a combined front. I have to be careful here as we know this sight is being monitored by *** and******and their chums, and they and will interpret this to suit themselves. Hello chums! I wouldn't worry about a combined front - it is not on the agenda!)
I was interested to see who I was dealing with. On another post, I made a suggestion that people fall into different temperaments or types, and that we can never really communicate, because we hold on dearly to our beliefs and will not let go. Maybe we feel that by letting go...we will fall apart! Maybe that is the point of enlightenment!
The types that have emerged – as I see it – are as follows. Please do add more if you wish.
There seems to be the religious types = God is everything, so everything is consciousness.
There seems to be the philosophical science types= if it has energy then it's conscious.
There seems to be the experiential types = I am consciousness.
There are those who are not bothered with this subject.
There are those who do not want to reveal themselves.
We cannot talk, because we will always talk at cross purposes. But that does not have to be a problem! We will all describe something differently, but beyond the describing is a ...what?...a slight flavour..no?..a mere consciousness..barely there..before all the concepts and talk of causes...an empty realisation...which is totally aware...beyond concepts. Maybe there is a meeting point.
My opinion? I have wondered what would provoke a reaction from “the monitors”, but so far...nothing. Are they just laughing, or haven't we touched the spot yet? We hear it said that they are afraid of us waking up. Well, has that happened yet? My gut feeling is that the monitors are mechanical in their outlook. They are very focused on an agenda. Maybe their egos are kept colourless, so that they are easily controlled. So, maybe we should go the opposite way – bigger egos!
This post reveals all our Egos! This is not a bad thing! Perhaps the bigger the ego, the more the potential for enlightenment! But - this does not mean an ego going round in circles, tight circles.
Maybe we need an expanding ego, which finally pops! An ego that embrace all colours.
Everything has to be questioned – but this questioning must go beyond sentimentality. The important thing is to question ourselves, question the thoughts that we hold on to. Who put them there? Have we ever had an original thought? There are those who will say, just be yourself, do not belong to groups. This begs the question, “What does it mean to be yourself?” Can anyone be independent? I've been told that in the final stages to enlightenment, one should be in isolation, but that is after a tremendous amount of selfless practice has been accomplished...
So, it's over to you – what does everyone else think?
PS Someone wrote that 'non-finding' did not make sense. To clarify: in the moment of realising or getting a small glimpse of pure consciousness, that non-finding means that awareness sees its empty nature, and rests in non fabrication. The awareness cannot find any thing. Everything outside pure consciousness is impermanent, and has no inherently true existence. It comes and goes.
Tony
12th June 2011, 07:03
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 07:38
I don't revere the car that i drive, I don't revere the chair that i sit on, I don't revere the table that I am at, I don't revere the spoon that I put in my mouth, I don't revere the earth, and i don't revere a God,
I revere all life on this format earth, all consciousness.
My regards to all
roman
RedeZra
12th June 2011, 07:58
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
if we can create an earth and a sun... then why not ; )
greybeard
12th June 2011, 08:14
If the ancient sages who sat in meditation and were universal shown things like the structure of the atom and the direction of infinity both the large and small were/are correct then all is Gods dream.
We being God.
So in dream world we can create anything.
So if there are Ets I believes so---- what create them into form-- the same thing that created our form and the form o everythibg else.
All comes from FORMLESS. God is both form and form less both and neither.
Very simple.
Some seem to want to worship everything from Mother Earth to Ets --- Annunaki.
Even the Annunaki I suggest came into form via God.
So do we want to follow anything in form or do we want to follow God.
Do we want to listen to the apprentice or do we want to be devoted to the master = God
Everything deserves respect --- be devoted only to God.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 09:10
If one wishes to revere a figment of ones own imagination, that is ones choice.
regards
roman
Bollinger
12th June 2011, 09:38
If the ancient sages who sat in meditation and were universal shown things like the structure of the atom and the direction of infinity both the large and small were/are correct then all is Gods dream.
We being God.
So in dream world we can create anything.
So if there are Ets I believes so---- what create them into form-- the same thing that created our form and the form o everythibg else.
All comes from FORMLESS. God is both form and form less both and neither.
Very simple.
Some seem to want to worship everything from Mother Earth to Ets --- Annunaki.
Even the Annunaki I suggest came into form via God.
So do we want to follow anything in form or do we want to follow God.
Do we want to listen to the apprentice or do we want to be devoted to the master = God
Everything deserves respect --- be devoted only to God.
Hi Chris,
It’s been sometime since I exercised the curiosity cells on the subject of what we loosely call the “spiritual” world so here are some questions for you. I notice your free and frequent use of the word “God” and all that it implies and so I was curious about what attributes you attach to that noun.
For example, do you follow the classical route – in the sense that God is omnipotent, omniscient, is ultimately benevolent in all aspects and can neither deceive nor be deceived? Feel free to scrub out any of these that do not define the God to which you are referring or add any that I have missed out.
I ask only that you are clear in your answers. A lot of people will reply using woolly terms that can mean anything, which of course ends up meaning nothing. If you don’t know, that is also fine because it will be honest.
Thanks
Bollinger
greybeard
12th June 2011, 10:04
If the ancient sages who sat in meditation and were universally shown things like the structure of the atom and the direction of infinity both the large and small were/are correct then all is God's dream.
We being God.
So in dream world we can create anything.
<snip>
Everything deserves respect --- be devoted only to God.
Hi Chris,
It’s been sometime since I exercised the curiosity cells on the subject of what we loosely call the “spiritual” world so here are some questions for you. I notice your free and frequent use of the word “God” and all that it implies and so I was curious about what attributes you attach to that noun.
For example, do you follow the classical route – in the sense that God is omnipotent, omniscient, is ultimately benevolent in all aspects and can neither deceive nor be deceived? Feel free to scrub out any of these that do not define the God to which you are referring or add any that I have missed out.
I ask only that you are clear in your answers. A lot of people will reply using woolly terms that can mean anything, which of course ends up meaning nothing. If you don’t know, that is also fine because it will be honest.
Thanks
Bollinger
Hi Bollinger
it is a fair and good question.
The answers is YES to all the attributes you have put here.
If sometimes I seem to be a bit woolly or not defined it is out of respect for those that use other words Source / Creator and on.
There are so many definitions of God that if I say the word God without my definition, which is yours here, then it leads to separation and misunderstanding.
The Buddha did not use that word for those reason, Eckhart Tolle explained in "The Power of Now" why he also rarely used the word God.
I am totally comfortable with the word God --- not a God of religion as such-- but the one attested to by Enlightened sages.
I realize others are not comfortable with that word and I understand why.
So my colors are pinned to the mast.
Chris
Beren
12th June 2011, 10:32
Hi Bollinger
it is a fair and good question.
The answers is YES to all the attributes you have put here.
If sometimes I seem to be a bit woolly or not defined it is out of respect for those that use other words Source / Creator and on.
There are so many definitions of God that if I say the word God without my definition, which is yours here, then it leads to separation and misunderstanding.
The Buddha did not use that word for those reason, Eckhart Tolle explained in "The Power of Now" why he also rarely used the word God.
I am totally comfortable with the word God --- not a God of religion as such-- but the one attested to by Enlightened sages.
I realize others are not comfortable with that word and I understand why.
So my colors are pinned to the mast.
Chris
Funny and amazing thing is that God is. ;)
God is omnipresent, all powerful spirit which we are part of as its children.
Now God is. God says when asked in the recent (few thousand years) past about its name : " I am who I am- I am. "
Can you picture this?
God is everywhere in the same time. All matter is his and all spirit too. All energy too.
You can`t run or hide and you don`t need to for God is Love.
Plastic keyboard that we type on is God and music that we listen and food that we eat and air that we breathe,chair that we sit on, spirits in other dimension and fallen and unfallen beings,stars and atoms, hair on your scalp and dust mite on the plant and plant itself and soil beneath.
Feces that you dump in toilet and the water that takes it off and ceramic loo and soap that you wash your hand with and yourself too ...
;)
There is no waste at all in Universe since it`s built from God`s particles of its being.
It`s a bit hard to grasp all this in this level of understanding and conscience, how can I be God and this serial killer too?
Or this dog on the street or cow or mouse in the field. Or Sun and stars or winds and planet Mars...
How can all that be a part of God.
God is. Hence we as its children are.
I am who I am.
I can be or I can make my self in all that I want since I am.
That was the secret laid out in the open by Christ, who was and is a living picture of perfect human in body and spirit before God thus being one with God. ~Father and I are one~
greybeard
12th June 2011, 10:35
I am 100% in agreement with Beren.
Chris
Beren
12th June 2011, 10:40
I am 100% in agreement with Beren.
Chris
Yep and reverse!
Brother from another mother!
:wave:
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 11:07
You have here 3 persons of age 60 something, that's myself romanwkt, greybeard, and pineal.
We after all this time are still stuck in an illusional trap that has been handed to humanity by some very clever medium from the past to the present.
What chance have the younger ones have of by passing this illusional and delussional trap.
We all have to discern from where the BS started and when will this BS end in your lives.
THE POWER OF CONTROL IS STILL TRULY ACTIVE MY FRIENDS.
My regards to all truth-seeker
roman
greybeard
12th June 2011, 11:23
What illusionary trap Roman?
I discovered God for myself un influenced by bible, religion. sages-- any other being.
The books etc confirmed what I already knew.
I m not allied to any sect denomination group religion.
My opinion is purely my own based on personal subjective experience and a lot of syncronicity.
I asked and in prayer and was led by coincidences/syncronicity to have my physical life saved on quite a few occasions.
The thought that we are controlled is planted by those who would control.
The lower Astral is very clever.
Each to there own though.
Chris
Lettherebelight
12th June 2011, 11:26
Hi Chris,
It’s been sometime since I exercised the curiosity cells on the subject of what we loosely call the “spiritual” world so here are some questions for you. I notice your free and frequent use of the word “God” and all that it implies and so I was
curious about what attributes you attach to that noun.
For example, do you follow the classical route – in the sense that God is omnipotent, omniscient, is ultimately benevolent in all aspects and can neither
deceive nor be deceived? Feel free to scrub out any of these that do not define the God to which you are referring or add any that I have missed out.
I ask only that you are clear in your answers. A lot of people will reply using woolly terms that can mean anything, which of course ends up meaning nothing. If you don’t know, that is also fine because it will be honest.
Thanks
Bollinger
The word 'spiritual' that Chris refers to (I hope I've got this right, Chris!), is that aspect of reality that could also be referred to as 'anti-material. That is to say, that this anti-material energy and all things composed thereof, do not rely,
or necessarily conform to, the natural laws (physics) imposed on matter as we know
it within this universe.
Anyone done any research into anti-material energy? The Vedas are a storehouse of detailed information on the subject, and are widely available to any enquiring mind.
Tony
12th June 2011, 11:42
Letherebelight,
Isn't that back to consciousness?
Isn't that self realisation?
Isn't that transcendent knowledge?
Isn't that what Christ meant when he said, "I and my father are one?"
Could one say, that your true nature and God are the same?
Could one say your Consciousness is God?
As there is no thing as God.
Are you not that which you seek?
Tony
Bollinger
12th June 2011, 11:44
Hi Chris,
It’s been sometime since I exercised the curiosity cells on the subject of what we loosely call the “spiritual” world so here are some questions for you. I notice your free and frequent use of the word “God” and all that it implies and so I was curious about what attributes you attach to that noun.
For example, do you follow the classical route – in the sense that God is omnipotent, omniscient, is ultimately benevolent in all aspects and can neither deceive nor be deceived? Feel free to scrub out any of these that do not define the God to which you are referring or add any that I have missed out.
I ask only that you are clear in your answers. A lot of people will reply using woolly terms that can mean anything, which of course ends up meaning nothing. If you don’t know, that is also fine because it will be honest.
Thanks
Bollinger
Hi Bollinger
it is a fair and good question.
The answers is YES to all the attributes you have put here.
If sometimes I seem to be a bit woolly or not defined it is out of respect for those that use other words Source / Creator and on.
There are so many definitions of God that if I say the word God without my definition, which is yours here, then it leads to separation and misunderstanding.
The Buddha did not use that word for those reason, Eckhart Tolle explained in "The Power of Now" why he also rarely used the word God.
I am totally comfortable with the word God --- not a God of religion as such-- but the one attested to by Enlightened sages.
I realize others are not comfortable with that word and I understand why.
So my colors are pinned to the mast.
Chris
Thank you for your answer Chris. It is honest and provides a clear reference point from which we may proceed.
As you know a lot of academics, philosophers and learned people will dismiss the idea of any such God simply because of the way the world is. If, they say, God is all knowing, powerful and good, why then do we have so much disproportionate suffering and negative intent in the world? Why does this God simply sit there with his arms folded knowing he has the power to change everything but chooses not to?
Which is more likely? That a God with such attributes has not even the slightest interest in what happens here (which contradicts his definition) or that he does not exist? There simply is no argument to counteract that. It is logically impossible to refute it. How strange it is that something like half the world’s population feels compelled to follow some kind of spiritual paradigm that shapes and moulds their mode of existence here.
This apparent paradox is borne out of people’s desire to survive, to continue and emerge from the shackles of a physical life into one that is full of “unconditional love”, “enlightenment”, “wisdom”, “meaning” and “closure”. We must have eternal life at all cost. That is the underlying sentiment that rests at the bottom of every wishful thinking person. They argue inwardly that none of this can mean anything without eternal life at the end of it. To attain and experience eternal beauty and peace is, without exception, the ultimate aim of every spiritually inclined person. Undoubtedly that is the driving force behind the paradox of faith.
Once you realise that there is actually an extremely logical and satisfying ulterior motive behind it, your path is immediately cleared for some rational thought.
You ask where I stand on the God thing. I ask myself that. Where do I stand? Can one dismiss it completely out of hand? I don’t think it is completely possible to do that, even amongst ardent atheists. A thought or wish will surface from the depths that will ask: is this all that I am, is there nothing more? The point is, I think, that we have the capacity to change. To speak of something with absolute certainty without evidence or proof is much harder for some people than it is for others. I can easily ask people if they’ve seen God, talked with him, seen him perform wondrous things? Some will undoubtedly say yes but of course that is just hearsay. Some will say no but that they still believe. That is being honest. Others will say it doesn’t matter and proceed to go about their normal routine.
If I am to be brutally honest, it is that nothing I have seen or experienced so far leads me to believe that such a God can or does exist. There are too many things that do not sit in the same room as God, so either we don’t exist or he doesn’t.
Perhaps we do not need a God. If he does exist, perhaps our definition of him is incorrect. We can go into all sorts of discussions that purport to retain the spiritual angle but dispense with the individual God altogether; for example, pantheism. But then it loses its potency. Who do you pray to, ask favours of, appeal to, cry to when things are not going well, blame when things are in dire straits and thank when a smidgen of happiness falls your way. Perhaps it is some long lost evolutionary need that still haunts us to this day and we need another 50 millennia before we can shake it off. These are all open questions which no doubt we can all try to answer but ultimately, as to whether he exists or not, we probably all need some sort of a God beside us when the room darkens, the door slams shut and we truly are alone. Maybe that’s the right time to be acquainted or is it too late?
They say that into each life a little rain must fall. I say, into each life a little sun must shine.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 11:49
What illusionary trap Roman?
I discovered God for myself un influenced by bible, religion. sages-- any other being.
The books etc confirmed what I already knew.
I m not allied to any sect denomination group religion.
My opinion is purely my own based on personal subjective experience and a lot of syncronicity.
I asked and in prayer and was led by coincidences/syncronicity to have my physical life saved on quite a few occasions.
The thought that we are controlled is planted by those who would control.
The lower Astral is very clever.
Each to there own though.
Chris
With the greatest respect Chris,
It is " each to there own though", I have and have always seeked truth outside of the propaganda inflicted on all of us, I only seek the truth, and the truth stares me in the face, that there is no truth?
My regards to you as always Chris
roman
greybeard
12th June 2011, 12:03
Hi Roman
My view is--- Whatever works for you.
No secret I came through alcoholism and got tuned around by the 12 steps of AA.
Alcoholism is uncurable everyone who had it died then the founder member Bill W had a spiritual illumination -- the light entered him literally --- touched by the hand to God when he was in hospital dying. The rest is histories millions of people saved from and early death.
Thats the truth for me-- in my face.
Greatest respect to you Roman I know you are an honest man with compassion and integrity.
We have moved a long way of topic but consciousness does--- that smiling.
Chris
Lettherebelight
12th June 2011, 12:17
Hi Pie'n'eal,
I agree with you, apart from 'there is no thing as God'.
Consciousness is the nature of the soul. Like wetness is the nature of water.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 12:23
Hi Roman
My view is--- Whatever works for you.
No secret I came through alcoholism and got tuned around by the 12 steps of AA.
Alcoholism is uncurable everyone who had it died then the founder member Bill W had a spiritual illumination -- the light entered him literally --- touched by the hand to God when he was in hospital dying. The rest is histories millions of people saved from and early death.
Thats the truth for me-- in my face.
Greatest respect to you Roman I know you are an honest man with compassion and integrity.
We have moved a long way of topic but consciousness does--- that smiling.
Chris
I appreciate your honesty Chris, and no I did not now what you had gone through in your life, I salute you for your strength and courage for overcoming a life threatening condition.
My understanding of such situations as from a death bed situation is that all help comes from within, there is nothing outside of ourselves.
The belief in a God, earth ,and conciseness means that we are on track here in this post and topic.
Love and respect to you Chris
roman
jimbojp
12th June 2011, 12:24
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
Pie'n'eal
Are are you suggesting that we created the annunaki, and the whole conspiracy that followed?
There was pure concioussness and we created form in all its diversity, then we started worshiping our own impermenant creations and thats when all the trouble started?
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there?
Does anyone have any thoughts...
Cheers,
Jim.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 12:34
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
Pie'n'eal
Are are you suggesting that we created the annunaki, and the whole conspiracy that followed?
There was pure concioussness and we created form in all its diversity, then we started worshiping our own impermenant creations and thats when all the trouble started?
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there?
Does anyone have any thoughts...
Cheers,
Jim.
Apparently the anunnaki manipulated out DNA which created us as we are today.
There was pure consciousness and we created form in all its diversity, yes
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there? Your mind, your thoughts.a creation.
Regards to you Jim
roman
jimbojp
12th June 2011, 12:58
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
Pie'n'eal
Are are you suggesting that we created the annunaki, and the whole conspiracy that followed?
There was pure concioussness and we created form in all its diversity, then we started worshiping our own impermenant creations and thats when all the trouble started?
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there?
Does anyone have any thoughts...
Cheers,
Jim.
Apparently the anunnaki manipulated out DNA which created us as we are today.
There was pure consciousness and we created form in all its diversity, yes
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there? Your mind, your thoughts.a creation.
Regards to you Jim
roman
Do you think we created the anunnaki, I mean if we existed in a state of pure conciousness and we created form then we therfore must have created the annunaki.
Thanks Roman,
jim.
Tarka the Duck
12th June 2011, 13:15
Hi Pie'n'eal,
I agree with you, apart from 'there is no thing as God'.
Consciousness is the nature of the soul. Like wetness is the nature of water.
Tarka the Duck used my machine. This is from pie'n'eal.
Hello again.
There can be no entity, no physical thing that is God.
God must transcend matter.
Matter is changeable, therefore not truly existing.
Matter's nature is emptiness.
The nature of God must be emptiness.
The nature of self must be emptiness.
Emptiness meaning beyond any fabrication not a product of any thing.
The nature of mind is emptiness.
The emptiness of mind has a knowing quality = pure consciousness.
The very combination results in compassion.
We can give it a name of God Consciousness.
If there was a God, the only reason you would know it, is precisely because of your consciousness.
So without your consciousness, God does not exist.
If I were God, all I want is for you to realise your true nature.. and I don't care what you call me.
The outcome will always be the same...Compassion.
This is perfect, that is perfect, perfect comes from perfect.
Take perfect comes from perfect the remainder is perfect.
May peace and peace and peace be everywhere.
1159
12th June 2011, 13:15
pie'n'eal The earth does not have consciousness.
Our collective consciousness enlivened the earth.
My thought is that is the first error; Duality. You distinguish 2 entities here, the earth and us. Duality and separatism is the greatest illusion. We are the earth and she is us. We share the same consciousness, just as my big toe shares my body with all the other body parts. When it hurts, I know it and feel the pain. We share the same consciousness, but experience it differently. I share your consciousness pie'n'eal and you share mine, and we both are part of the one super-consciousness that is the source. Division, separation and duality leads to polarisation, you and me, separate, unrelated, you pain is not mine etc ... the great illusion.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 13:37
Wasn't this whole conspiracy thing showing that the Annunaki were the gods?
Did we create God?
Pie'n'eal
Are are you suggesting that we created the annunaki, and the whole conspiracy that followed?
There was pure concioussness and we created form in all its diversity, then we started worshiping our own impermenant creations and thats when all the trouble started?
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there?
Does anyone have any thoughts...
Cheers,
Jim.
Apparently the anunnaki manipulated out DNA which created us as we are today.
There was pure consciousness and we created form in all its diversity, yes
So if I want to look into the rabbit hole, who am I going to find there? Your mind, your thoughts.a creation.
Regards to you Jim
roman
Do you think we created the anunnaki, I mean if we existed in a state of pure conciousness and we created form then we therfore must have created the annunaki.
Thanks Roman,
jim.
We all are one, then we are the annunaki??????????? great question Jim, we all need to ask this question and get an answer that resides in us all, to use words in an accepted form, Only God knows. that should fob you of asking questions like that????????
Good question, by my understanding is that we can only manipulate the bodies DNA, we or anybody else, including the Annunaki, cannot create or manipulate spirit/life force/consciousness, so they are just a race/breed, same consciousness?????????
regards Jim
roman
animalspirits
12th June 2011, 13:48
IMO, God is within each and every thing that has energy, including Humans. Because God is in all, we are no more important than anything bearing energy. It is our mind/ego that continues to try and keep us locked into ourselves and therefore separate from everything else. I do not view this as a good thing because we are forever bound to this thing I call the mind/ego.
Telepathic communication does not occur in our minds/egos. It occurs from the soul. If one is able to converse telepathically, they understand what I mean. The communication, while we hear it in our 'heads' does not occur in our 'mind.' It feels very different.
Can you please explain a little more clearly what you mean when you say that "we are no more important than anything bearing energy". I don't think, given a situation where I had to choose between pushing a child or a rock out of the path of a speeding car, I would have a problem prioritising and going for the child...or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
Thanks
Tarka
I am new here and hope I did the quote thing correctly. If not, please excuse me until I figure this out. :biggrin:
Tarka,
Of course, any Human is going to choose saving a child over saving a Rock because we place more value on the Human. What I am saying is that it is a matter of perspective. IMO, Humans need to begin to look at what else we are sharing this planet with with much greater respect.
If you are a Rock and have to decide whether to save your Rock friend or a Human Child, you are probably going to choose saving the Rock. You are a Rock and saving your kind is more important to you.
As Humans, we always choose to save one of our own and I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. That speaks to survival of a species. Of course, any Human is going to choose to save the Child. I would.
What I am saying is that everything, being of equal status, will choose to save those members of its group.
As Humans, with our feeling of superiority over all else on the Planet, choose to do what is best for us at the expense of the rest of what is around us. Of course, everything is going to try and save its species.
It is when a species uses more that it should and/or overpopulates at the expense of many other species that it runs into trouble. This happens with other species on Earth. Overpopulation of one species will cause that species to experience a die off until the species is able to maintain its need for food, water, shelter, and health...and its balance with respect to its environment is brought back into balance.
We Humans have greatly overpopulated Earth. If we do not bring this overpopulation under control with a period of negative population growth, we will experience a Human die off because we will no longer have enough food, water, or safe shelter.
I hope this explained what I was writing about better. If not, let me know and I will try it again. No worries.
animalspirits
12th June 2011, 14:00
Marikins,
I find that energy has a slightly difference feel to its consciousness. I believe that the trick is to be able to accept these differences without questioning whether it can be proven. Trust in your instincts without fear of being wrong is, to me, the most important aspect of this work.
I have always felt that the consciousness of the Earth is far more advanced and much older than the Human consciousness. It is Humans that are playing "catch up." We are just the "Babes in the Woods."
Hello again! If the consciousness of the Earth is so much more advanced than the humans who inhabit it, has it reached a level of enlightenment? Are you saying it is God? Is this heaven then?
Tarka
No, but She is getting close. When She reaches the level of enlightenment, will she take everything that lives on her with her? No.
I don't speak about heaven/hell, God/Devil, or the Bible because I do not follow any organized religion...no matter how old. I prefer the terms "the Source" or "the All" to God because the word "God" implies organized religion. That is my own personal belief system and I am in no way saying that people that follow an organized religion are wrong. They are where they should be in the progression along their path and I respect that.
Hope that was clear enough...if not, let me know.
RedeZra
12th June 2011, 14:06
if there is a Consciousness that is omnipresent omnipotent omniscient then that Consciousness is God
is there such a Consciousness ?
that is the question and yes is the answer ; )
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 14:07
Can you please explain a little more clearly what you mean when you say that "we are no more important than anything bearing energy". I don't think, given a situation where I had to choose between pushing a child or a rock out of the path of a speeding car, I would have a problem prioritising and going for the child...or am I misunderstanding what you are saying?
Thanks
Tarka
<snip>
Tarka,
Of course, any Human is going to choose saving a child over saving a Rock because we place more value on the Human. What I am saying is that it is a matter of perspective. IMO, Humans need to begin to look at what else we are sharing this planet with with much greater respect.
<snip>
As Humans, we always choose to save one of our own and I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. That speaks to survival of a species. Of course, any Human is going to choose to save the Child. I would.
<snip>
As Humans, with our feeling of superiority over all else on the Planet, choose to do what is best for us at the expense of the rest of what is around us. Of course, everything is going to try and save its species.
<snip>
We Humans have greatly overpopulated Earth. If we do not bring this overpopulation under control with a period of negative population growth, we will experience a Human die off because we will no longer have enough food, water, or safe shelter.
I hope this explained what I was writing about better. If not, let me know and I will try it again. No worries.
I think you better get your facts right, this planet with all its diversity will sustain 15 to 18 billion people quite well.
The imbalance is the creation of the TPTB. and its from that source of thinking and mentality is where you got your information from.
regards to you
roman
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 14:19
if there is a Consciousness that is omnipresent omnipotent omniscient then that Consciousness is God
is there such a Consciousness ?
that is the question and yes is the answer ; )
Call your God RedeZra and I'll accept your question/answer.
animalspirits
12th June 2011, 14:50
<snip>
It is when a species uses more that it should and/or overpopulates at the expense of many other species that it runs into trouble. This happens with other species on Earth. Overpopulation of one species will cause that species to experience a die off until the species is able to maintain its need for food, water, shelter, and health...and its balance with respect to its environment is brought back into balance.
We Humans have greatly overpopulated Earth. If we do not bring this overpopulation under control with a period of negative population growth, we will experience a Human die off because we will no longer have enough food, water, or safe shelter.
I hope this explained what I was writing about better. If not, let me know and I will try it again. No worries.
I think you better get your facts right, this planet with all its diversity will sustain 15 to 18 billion people quite well.
The imbalance is the creation of the TPTB. and its from that source of thinking and mentality is where you got your information from.
regards to you
roman
Oh my, Roman. I believe, you are quite wrong. If there are that many Humans on Earth, we will have destroyed the habitat for so very many species that have every right to live here. I sincerely hope that you do not view it as our right to use Earth to that degree. IMO, it shows no respect for all the other species of Earth which have as much of a right to live here as you do.
I did not get my information from what you term "TPTB". I get my information from the Earth Herself. Of course, that may be "TPTB" you are referring to. I am not a conspiracy theorist. The Human race has caused this. "TPTB" are the result of the actions of the Human race...all of us. It is time that Humans have the courage to own up to this and stop blaming this on some boogeymen that supposedly controls us.
Regards back at you! :wave:
RedeZra
12th June 2011, 15:05
Call your God RedeZra and I'll accept your question/answer.
we have come far Roman so congratulation to you to me and to everybody
to be born as a human being is like winning the lottery
but why stop here ; )
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 15:06
Hi animalspirits
I don't disagree with anything that you had written in your last post, but I will give you a very arrogant answer
When we as people start showing respect for the human race first (check your history) , then I'll show you respect for your opinion given. ( now that's arrogant)
regards to you
roman
Tony
12th June 2011, 15:19
Learning is painful, but we learn.
Marikins
12th June 2011, 15:21
Okay, for argument's sake, let's say that originally the earth came into existence without a consciousness, not a self-aware energetic being. After all this time, with our little paint brushes, and thoughts and dreams and appreciation of the earth, we have created an energetic center that can evolve to self-awareness. In my strange universe, consistent directed thoughts cohere the energy into matter and beingness. So perhaps you were right at the start, pie'nal, but now the earth has evolved into a being.
ps is that a new photo you are sporting?
animalspirits
12th June 2011, 15:39
Hi animalspirits
I don't disagree with anything that you had written in your last post, but I will give you a very arrogant answer
When we as people start showing respect for the human race first (check your history) , then I'll show you respect for your opinion given. ( now that's arrogant)
regards to you
roman
Roman,
No need to get your drawers in a wad. LOL
There are many people that are showing respect to the Human race and many that aren't. But that is a Human problem, isn't it? It is not the problem of other species on Earth. It is the responsibility of each Human to show respect for other Humans and we are doing a woefully poor job of that. Why? IMO, it is because fundamentally Humans with more than enough to live simply seek to have more, thereby denying those Humans that are starving from what they need to survive.
We need to begin to have a worldview of the Human race and not how "stuff" affects us individually. It is called compassion and I don't believe it can be dictated . Either you are a compassionate Human or you aren't. Of course, this concept requires that you not be afraid of death...that you understand that what humans fearfully call "death" is merely a transition to a different state.
If contributing to a non-profit is somehow a bad thing to you, then try donating food to your local food bank to help some of the millions of people that are out of work. I see you are from London, so perhaps it doesn't work that way for you there, but it does here in the States.
By the way, even though I am new here I believe that you will find that posting as you stated: "now that's arrogant" types of posts will not drive me from here or make me post less. It will have the opposite effect. I am a tough old bird.
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 15:42
Here's something interesting By passinglight
Default Re: How long are we going to have to wait?
First and foremost, ican and will publish this info where and when i like so may as well be here,ok Bill.......ty
How do you create a universe ???
Easy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
you get a rather large ball of plasma and you hit it with a frequency (a note (music),,,,,,,,untill it develops a hole like a doughnut,or untill it is torus shaped......
Our universe is a torus,,,
You then tune your frequency untill you achieve matter and the desired densities,,,,,,,,
we are nothing more than a disturbance in a field of plasma,,,,,,,,,,,,
When we are told we are all part of the same substance this is true,we are all parts of a very large plasma field,,,,
This plasma field is what we know as source,,it is the Taurus we just created by hitting a field of plasma with a frequency (a musical note) and everything in it, apart from anything coming into this Taurus from another Taurus,, is part of the same plasma field,,,this is you and i and everything that makes up our existence,,,,,,,
We are one and one is us............
different densities are merely achieved by fine tuning the plasma field with different notes.........
Our history goes something like this..........
The member known here as AGAPE,,,,,,, is an absolutely stunning and wonderful entity who has told you how we got here,she is telling you the complete truth,,,,,,
Bill Ryan did not interview Agape because what she describes goes against Bills system of belief and more importantly,,,,Phil's System of beliefs....
Roughly,a couple of million years ago a ship crash landed on earth,,,,it's occupants survived and settled here on earth awaiting retrieval,,,,,,,,
By the time retrieval was upon the survivors,, so much time had passed that the survivors had developed into a new race,,,same DNA just adapted to cope with earth's magnetic and gravitational forces,,,,,,,,
The retrieval squad of rescue committee realised the survivors had mutated into a new race and also new that this new race would stand a good chance of mutating again into something quite spectacular ,,,,,,,so they decided to wait around and see how this beautiful but accidental experiment would pan out,,,,,,,,
Much later on in history,,,,,,,,,,Phil's crew turned up and found this race of beings on this planet and thought ,hey,,,,look at these guys,they would make brilliant slaves,,,,,,,,
And so they set about to enslave us,,,,,,,
Robert morning sky describes a story of what happened regarding this disgusting act of desecration,,,,,,
Our rescuers are here in and around planet earth,,,,,,,,,they have been here for a very long time and are hidden from view,,,,,,even to Phil's galactic crew........
Phil's galactico's know our brothers and sisters are here, but their ( our retrievers) technology is so far ahead of Phil's lot that the galactics cannot even begin to comprehend the game in hand..........
The galactic federation of alleged light has spent thousands of years trying to secure a situation,,using us as the bait where they can carry on in the power and control systems that serve them so well.............
They have set red flag systems in place on every level you can imagine,,,,,,especially RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL
The head of the galactics is Phil,otherwise known as st germaine,or,,, god to you,,,,,,,,and so he is the entity ultimately responsible for the systems in place on this planet......
He is the eye at the top of the pyramid,,,,,,,,Posieden and Zeus are the 2 entities underneath Phil's lovely eye.......
Phil created all religious thinking,,,,,it is a complete utter and total red flag,,,,,,,,,,,
Spirituality is a complete and complex hoax and,,, so is all religious belief
It is a handle used to describe attitudes and adjustments or frequencies in the field of plasma that is you. and your universe and your dimensions..........
Let me say this again,,,,ALL RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY IS A GREAT BIG HUMUNGOUS HOAX
The head of all spiritual and religious systems on this planet,,,,,,,,is Phil,,,,,,,,
You are worshiping Phil though you may or may not realise this.........
I have said this before, elsewhere on here, and i am saying it again,,,,,,,
Charles never came here because of Bill Ryan,,,,,,,,,,,,, he came here because of the avalon forum,,,,,,
Bill Ryan was allready controlled and usurped into Phil's system,, though he probably didn't allready realise this,,,,,,,,Ron Hubbard was an initiate in Masonic systems,he was working for Phil all along,,,,,,,,and anyone following this system works directly for Philipe and his galactic crew........
So there was no interest in Bill the asset,but there was plenty of interest in the forum and it's contributors,,,,,,
All you who follow any religious and spiritual systems are being duped by one of the biggest hoaxes in history
and you are working for Phil who is your en-slaver and your deceiver...........
The Charles and Inelia show was a very clever deception and it serves to keep Bill under wraps for the time being............
They work together,,,,,,,and they are here to protect Phil,,,,,who seems to have a strange fascination with this site.........
Phil's children and family are the people you refer to as the PTB,,,,,,,,,,the new world order etc etc,
There is no satan,he is a hoax along with the rest of the religious BS,,,,,,,and is used as a control factor......
There is no NEGATIVE ENERGY there is only plasma,,,,,,they create the illusion for their own agenda..........
The sun is fed by plasma,,,,,,,,and it is an electro magnetic instrument,,,,,,,,
Yes you lot have been convinced to worship an electro magnetic machine,,,,,,,,,,you have got to be joking,,,,,,,,,,its worse than a python sketch,,,,,,,but however sad but true this,,,Phil has tricked you into worshiping a machine,,,,,,,,you may as well go prey to your lawnmower ,,you'll get more sense out of it lol............
Lets look at Phils bloodline in some detail,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
The racogzy Bloodline,,,,,,,,,Phil' children and relatives,,,,,,,,
Oh by the way,,,,,,,i guess i better introduce myself properly here,,,,,,,
My name is Steven Hampshire,,,,,
My name was allready outed by the wonderful Darla earlier on in this thread,so you can gauge by that, how much interest there is in my actions here,,also,,,,,,,
Bill Ryan actually and almost unbelievably went to the trouble of changing and mocking this thread title,which is further proof of how many alarm bells are ringing with regard to protecting Phil's integrity,,,,,,,and unfortunately for them, helps to substantiate my info here,,,,ty guys and girls my love to you all............
My mothers blood goup is AB pos,,,,,,and i have that genetic problem in my left hand,,,,,,,
I AM RELATED TO Phil himself,,,,,,i guess the joke is on me,lol,,,,,,but i am the fire child,,,i am aries the ram and a dragon by birth,,,,,,,,,,,i am not to be messed with,,,,,,,fire burns don't you know,,,,,,,,,
I am a grey abductee, (someone once told me i am a contactee, but as i never gave permission to abducted then i cannot resonate with this terminology and therefore am an abductee),,,,,,
they even had the gaul to abduct me from a beach in broad frigging daylight a few years ago,,,,,,,
So i am your creation and family member,,though i am not an insider nor a whistle blower of any kind,,,,,,and i am here to reveal to you the workings of the veil,,,,I will speak openly of the abuse to our people and help to make sure Philipe and his fellow abusers are brought to justice for their crimes against the beings of light,,,,,,,i am a witness and fellow abused,,,,,,,who will stand up to these low life scum sucking abusing enslaving and corrupting malevolents..........and identifying those that have benefited and indeed nourished themselves from this system of abuse is part of the process.....
So,,,,,,,,
Virtually All the PTB in the western hemisphere are Phil's relatives and representatives, including all those present at the Bilderberg meetings,,,,the royals of every country and the military high rankers and the banking syndicate,,,,,,,,
The rothschilds,,,the rockerfellers,, the house of Hesse(british royal family),,,,,,etc etc,,,,,,,they answer to Phil directly,,,,,,,
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 15:47
Hi animalspirits
I don't disagree with anything that you had written in your last post, but I will give you a very arrogant answer
When we as people start showing respect for the human race first (check your history) , then I'll show you respect for your opinion given. ( now that's arrogant)
regards to you
roman
Roman,
No need to get your drawers in a wad. LOL
There are many people that are showing respect to the Human race and many that aren't. But that is a Human problem, isn't it? It is not the problem of other species on Earth. It is the responsibility of each Human to show respect for other Humans and we are doing a woefully poor job of that. Why? IMO, it is because fundamentally Humans with more than enough to live simply seek to have more, thereby denying those Humans that are starving from what they need to survive.
We need to begin to have a worldview of the Human race and not how "stuff" affects us individually. It is called compassion and I don't believe it can be dictated . Either you are a compassionate Human or you aren't. Of course, this concept requires that you not be afraid of death...that you understand that what humans fearfully call "death" is merely a transition to a different state.
If contributing to a non-profit is somehow a bad thing to you, then try donating food to your local food bank to help some of the millions of people that are out of work. I see you are from London, so perhaps it doesn't work that way for you there, but it does here in the States.
By the way, even though I am new here I believe that you will find that posting as you stated: "now that's arrogant" types of posts will not drive me from here or make me post less. It will have the opposite effect. I am a tough old bird.
Not at all, said that I will answer arrogantly, and that's all it was.
Apologies if I made you take it the wrong way, I did not mean it that way, my apologies
My regards to you
roman
Tony
12th June 2011, 16:03
Okay, for argument's sake, let's say that originally the earth came into existence without a consciousness, not a self-aware energetic being. After all this time, with our little paint brushes, and thoughts and dreams and appreciation of the earth, we have created an energetic center that can evolve to self-awareness. In my strange universe, consistent directed thoughts cohere the energy into matter and beingness. So perhaps you were right at the start, pie'nal, but now the earth has evolved into a being.
ps is that a new photo you are sporting?
Greetings Marikins,
This will open another can of worms.
How has earth evolved into a being?
Oh dear, here goes.
I think earth consciousness is an invention by the 'New age group.' Wait a minute! New age...New world order!
It waters down the investigation into reality. We all reincarnated here through ignorance. Because of our
motivation and capacity we were driven here. There are worse places, at least we are in the human realm.
Just think how many bugs there are on the planet!
We are here because we still relate to things as being solid and real. We have been doing this for life times,
so the idea is not easy to shake off. We are supposed to be beings of light, but misunderstand, still get emotional.
Which can cloud our view.
The earth is a beautiful place, but if we are not careful, we can create a gods palace, which can become a prison.
(I was wagging my finger at my wife, when she took the shot at the V and A museum yesterday.)
Marikins
12th June 2011, 16:20
Haha, I love the photo, very apt. Earth consciousness if an invention was started much earlier by native peoples. I do not worship the earth, I do appreciate the earth and listen to the earth. I have no way of knowing if what I pick up is true or not. It isn't magically true because I receive it. You may very well be right about religion and spirituality, I don't know. I know I am getting sick of canned spirituality and the energy feels dead which reads to me as untrue. But that's just me. Must get a bossy photo.
nearing
12th June 2011, 16:53
Hi Bollinger
The answers is YES to all the attributes you have put here.
If sometimes I seem to be a bit woolly or not defined it is out of respect for those that use other words Source / Creator and on.
There are so many definitions of God that if I say the word God without my definition, which is yours here, then it leads to separation and misunderstanding.
The Buddha did not use that word for those reason, Eckhart Tolle explained in "The Power of Now" why he also rarely used the word God.
I am totally comfortable with the word God --- not a God of religion as such-- but the one attested to by Enlightened sages.
I realize others are not comfortable with that word and I understand why.
<snip>
Chris
<snip>
God is everywhere in the same time. All matter is his and all spirit too. All energy too.
You can`t run or hide and you don`t need to for God is Love.
<snip>
There is no waste at all in Universe since it`s built from God`s particles of its being.
It`s a bit hard to grasp all this in this level of understanding and conscience, how can I be God and this serial killer too?
Or this dog on the street or cow or mouse in the field. Or Sun and stars or winds and planet Mars...
<snip>
God is. Hence we as its children are.
I am who I am.
<snip>
That was the secret laid out in the open by Christ, who was and is a living picture of perfect human in body and spirit before God thus being one with God. ~Father and I are one~
I agree with what you say too. EXCEPT one thing: God, the Creator, is more likely a SHE than a HE, you know, being a Creator and everything. ;)
Tony
12th June 2011, 17:07
Dear Roman,
What you are saying is astounding!
Is there more information?
Tony
Tony
12th June 2011, 17:10
Or are you saying we will believe anything?
Tony
ulli
12th June 2011, 17:15
Dear Roman,
What you are saying is astounding!
Is there more information?
Tony
Roman was only quoting...
Passiglight has a thread called How long do we have to wait...
you'll find plenty more there...
Have fun.
Tony
12th June 2011, 17:48
It's going to take me few days to digest all!
I never knew this was going on.
Tony
Davidallany
12th June 2011, 18:31
and if it did, it could not translate that to any of the other ants
It's the reason why Siddhartha didn't want to speak about it to others. Without an insight frame of reference it's nearly impossible, it become empty words, especially when one is not a siddha. The more one tries to catch it, the more slippery it becomes. A good example that some may be able to relate to is the last wave, that ended long term friendships.
Morgaine
12th June 2011, 20:04
I agree with the majority of people in here saying that to deny the living earth a consciousness, is to deny the symbiosis that all life on this planet exists in. Without even delving into religion, philosophy or physics, one such as myself with only a very limited perception of the true nature of life, can see so obviously that all matter is atomic, and all atoms are energy. I disagree with your claim on many levels.
But I digress, which is to say I divert from and complicate the topic at hand. I have an innate problem with threads of this nature, as I see their design as deliberately inflammatory and divisive. No disrespect intended sir, but it is a familiar song that you are singing here.
Group mind doesn't have to be stimulated via conflict, or controversy. This forum sure are a great place for voicing ones ideas and beliefs, but please don't confuse that with an opportunity to postulate on topics that enable you to gain infamy and to *eherm* show off, as it were.
I like your sense of humour Pie'n'eal , it is a very evident and pleasant facet of your personality in here.. however given the purpose and nature of Avalon, perhaps it is wiser to use it as a tool of connection and empathy rather than of mischief.
All the best-
Morgaine.
Tony
12th June 2011, 21:12
Dear Morgaine,
No mischief is meant. I like to get to know people, and where they are coming from.
I have every right to work the way I work, as you do. There are reasons I may appear
unconventional, and may not be to everyones taste. Is this not an open space?
Are you saying, no freedom of expression?
I do have fun in expressing. What should I do, be something other than myself?
There are many points of view, which we can all share. I do not see this as
trying to gain infamy.
I would like to get to know you better, to understand where you are coming from.
I truly do not understand your remarks.
Tony
Morgaine
12th June 2011, 21:58
Dear Morgaine,
No mischief is meant. I like to get to know people, and where they are coming from.
I have every right to work the way I work, as you do. There are reasons I may appear
unconventional, and may not be to everyones taste. Is this not an open space?
Are you saying, no freedom of expression?
My friend, I would never inhibit freedom of expression, it is not in my nature in any way. I applaud your intent to get to know people and to share thoughts, but I must admit I sensed a little mischief when I read your first post in the thread. I am simply saying share with us all your wisdom and beliefs, but refrain from designed controversy. It reduces one as a free-thinker.
I do have fun in expressing. What should I do, be something other than myself?
There are many points of view, which we can all share. I do not see this as
trying to gain infamy.
As far as expressing goes....go for it mate! I'm not trying to stop you, I'm telling you how I feel, s'all!
I would like to get to know you better, to understand where you are coming from.
I truly do not understand your remarks.
Tony
I'm happy to get to know you too! Just my instinct tells me we should not be creating conflict to do so.
All I am doing is honestly telling you what my instinct tells me.
(PS) I like your new profile pic, but it has a noticeably different energy to it than your old one! ;)
Tarka the Duck
12th June 2011, 22:02
Dear Morgaine,
No mischief is meant. I like to get to know people, and where they are coming from.
I have every right to work the way I work, as you do. There are reasons I may appear
unconventional, and may not be to everyones taste. Is this not an open space?
Are you saying, no freedom of expression?
My friend, I would never inhibit freedom of expression, it is not in my nature in any way. I applaud your intent to get to know people and to share thoughts, but I must admit I sensed a little mischief when I read your first post in the thread. I am simply saying share with us all your wisdom and beliefs, but refrain from designed controversy. It reduces one as a free-thinker.
I do have fun in expressing. What should I do, be something other than myself?
There are many points of view, which we can all share. I do not see this as
trying to gain infamy.
As far as expressing goes....go for it mate! I'm not trying to stop you, I'm telling you how I feel, s'all!
I would like to get to know you better, to understand where you are coming from.
I truly do not understand your remarks.
Tony
I'm happy to get to know you too! Just my instinct tells me we should not be creating conflict to do so.
All I am doing is honestly telling you what my instinct tells me.
(PS) I like your new profile pic, but it has a noticeably different energy to it than your old one! ;)
Hello Morgaine
Could you please elaborate as to how you feel Pie'n'eal has been creating conflict? I may have missed something...
Thanks
Tarka
greybeard
12th June 2011, 22:09
I think that Pie n eal has a way of keeping conversation going that is very positive.
He stimulates debate in perhaps an unusual way, sometimes arguing that black is white just for the fun of it.
He starts thought provoking threads and that is good
For sure he is alive, well and very conscious.
Chris
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 22:22
Hi Morgaine
In this case as you have shared your opinion with tony, and I'll take my share of the responsibility.
This earth is approx 64,000,000,000 billion years old, it has periodically been burnt sterile through given cosmic cycles, the earth has turned itself inside out with no life force on it, wiping the canvass clean countless of times,that why I called it platform or canvas. when I said that I don't revere the earth, it is not that I don't love the earth,which I do, but feel that its is a platform of and for creation, when the opportunity after the destructive cycle, allow a new life force to reappear, plant, vegetation, to eventually support mammalian, and other possible dominant spices.
Its the glorifying of earth as a living thing, almost a God like status that will take care of its children, where it is us that make or brake the survival of the human spices, that our mind create all the thing that man requires on this canvass for survival of the body. Would you glorify the body of a man, or would you glorify the spirit of man, you and others obviously think that the earth has a consciousness, yes it is in our consciousness,and its made out of consciousness, but thinking that Gaia will save humanity glorifying it as something more that a platform for consciousness to create, is basically giving your power away just like to a corpse on the cross, or a plaster model of St Whatever, which is false and destructive to man. without the life force here on earth, and I don't mean man only, but all life, this earth is dead, as a dead body that starts to decompose and disintegrate, the earth cannot sustain itself without a life force present painting its canvass with consciousness.
My regards to all
roman
Martin
12th June 2011, 22:26
Since all is one, wouldn't we deny our "consciouss" if we would not grant the planet one. But since we are all one I am sure the earth wouldn't mind. So no harm done, right?
Martin
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 22:40
Since all is one, wouldn't we deny our "consciousness" if we would not grant the planet one. But since we are all one I am sure the earth wouldn't mind. So no harm done, right?
Martin
No Martin I'm sure the earth wouldn't mind, and I would gladly grant it whatever it wished. The earth is of consciousness as the body is of consciousness, but we don't make a God out of it.
Regards and many thanks Martin
roman
Martin
12th June 2011, 22:47
Not yet! :p The starting question kind of strikes me to be sort of a chicken-and-egg problem though.
Martin
ulli
12th June 2011, 22:52
I always believed there are levels
First mineral, which has spirit, but only has cohesion
Then plant which has cohesion plus growth
Then animal which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion
Then human which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion plus intellect, each level more complex than the previous
All that is physical comes from the earth, but the animating life spirit comes from everywhere...
Martin
12th June 2011, 23:00
I do believe that conscious itself is the origin of ... well everthing. It certainly wasn't a big bang! :eek: So for me the question is kind of pointless, but often that are the most interesting ones anyhow!
Martin
ROMANWKT
12th June 2011, 23:09
I always believed there are levels
First mineral, which has spirit, but only has cohesion
Then plant which has cohesion plus growth
Then animal which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion
Then human which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion plus intellect, each level more complex than the previous
All that is physical comes from the earth, but the animating life spirit comes from everywhere...
Hi ulli
The whole of life is in the mind its mental or mentation, I don't disagree with what you have said, I know where you're coming from, it its all consciousness even the rocks, the sort of debate was of perceiving the earth as something more.
regards to you ulli
roman
ulli
12th June 2011, 23:23
I always believed there are levels
First mineral, which has spirit, but only has cohesion
Then plant which has cohesion plus growth
Then animal which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion
Then human which has cohesion plus growth plus emotion plus intellect, each level more complex than the previous
All that is physical comes from the earth, but the animating life spirit comes from everywhere...
Hi ulli
The whole of life is in the mind its mental or mentation, I don't disagree with what you have said, I know where you're coming from, it its all consciousness even the rocks, the sort of debate was of perceiving the earth as something more.
regards to you ulli
roman
And I agree with you, Roman. I don't follow any of the Gaia constructs either...I think until an idea appears that I know is mine. The above is not quite mine, I read it years ago in some theosophical book, if I remember correctly.
This one is mine:
the earth is an ovum, and the meteors are sperm, and life is carried through the universe inside these meteors, but we can't see whose it is. How about that then? An original Ulli Theory.
Thinking Allowed
12th June 2011, 23:46
Hi Morgaine
In this case as you have shared your opinion with tony, and I'll take my share of the responsibility.
This earth is approx 64,000,000,000 billion years old................................
My regards to all
roman
Hi Roman,
Did you get a little trigger happy with the zeros or do you really mean that the earth is 64,000,000,000 years old? That's 64 Billion years. The universe is thought to be only about 15 billion years old. Did I miss a meeting?
Hughe
13th June 2011, 01:09
The collective mind humans created and live in has the group consciousness. So, it's irrelevant whether Earth is conscious or not.
Animals which blend in the mother Earth do happy living. For them Earth is protector, real care taker. But for humans, the reality we create is totally opposite of course. Unless I give up my free will and sense of sentient being, the Earth will remain as negative world.
Buddha or Jesus Christ would never come back Earth to liberate humans. They knew each sentient being - i.e, human - is a god-like being as is. It only choose different path of living either dark or light. A reincarnated Buddha might change 100,000 people but until the number of mass reaches to the tipping point, his mighty power/insight is useless.
To ROMANWKT,
I haven't set myself up what's true history of human race. I agree with some of your suggestions. But, we live in the open system to unknown. Scientists nowadays our universe has 11 dimensions plus other parallel universes do exist and interact which still beyond our understanding.
Who is the real puppet masters? The earth is just an island in a big open ocean where any ships come and go. The spectators, the actors do not see the masters who pull the strings. After we watch a movie, to know whose behind it we need to wait till the movie credits is showed up. Most of viewers stand up live when they see 'The End' on the screen.
I'll learn major producers and directors, etc. But, that's just beginning of deeper truth. I will have to find out what are they thinking and intention for making movies. There exists hierarchical power structure within.
Darla Ken Pearce
13th June 2011, 01:18
Beren, it's so great to have you back and just in the nick of time! Blessings! xoxoxox
RedeZra
13th June 2011, 04:55
God, the Creator, is more likely a SHE than a HE, you know, being a Creator and everything. ;)
Jesus your Father is more likely your Mother
you know ...hint hint ... Creator and everything
whatever son ; )
Morgaine
13th June 2011, 06:52
No harm intended Pie 'n' eal...just sharing my thoughts..
Whilst not overtly controversial or irrelevant (and certainly provocative) the statement that "Earth has no consciousness" does seem at first to appear a bit inflammatory..(especially in a forum devoted to the belief in the metaphysical and related subjects)
Just the same, I love the way people share their opinions on PA so willingly and articulately, and I applaud you for motivating them so well.
It's just lately some topics seem to have been posted for the intent to stir up the silt, so to speak, which is something I find hard to understand especially as it allows (and encourages) many to use the forum as a platform for self promotion, and or to deliver diatribes laden with the threat of imminent doom etc! (but without the details to back it up!)
I meant no disrespect, just want us all to show our truth, is all.
But then I am frequently accused of being far too idealistic..!
Regards-
M.
ROMANWKT
13th June 2011, 07:04
After sleeping on this subject matter here, I did not feel right with my opinion stated before.
As one would respect the spirit of man and not the body, one should respect the spirit of the earth and not its body, both are equal as a consciousness.
My regards to all
roman
EDIT
I not even happy with this conclusion for myself, as all is consciousness even the body.
My final gesture,
Respect all consciousness, but don't make a God out of it, all is equal.
Beren
13th June 2011, 11:08
@ nearing
I agree with what you say too. EXCEPT one thing: God, the Creator, is more likely a SHE than a HE, you know, being a Creator and everything.
It's neither male or female. It's a spirit.
Try to do this exercise ,when you go deep down on your soul level you will find that thoughts about sex are gone since you feel as soul feels-spiritual. It might also feel like intelligent energy...
I call it Father since I feel it that way.
Jesus called it Father too.
Some others called it great mother of all.
Both are right and wrong in the same time since spirit is above sexes.
P.S.
Word Creator does not imply specifically a male. Creator goes for the process. You create a new thing thus that makes you a creator. You may be the ant in the field or Almighty Creator of Life and Love itself...
Tony
13th June 2011, 11:57
Dear Morgaine,
As your comment was put on public display, I have to reply in public. I'd much refer to do this in private. I am sad for any suffering in your mind that may have been caused by this posting. The forum is one of sharing views and investigation.
You are perfectly right to question other's motivation. People say things, others question how valid the statement is. In fact I would love you to question me even more. This will help us all to sharpen our intelligence. So people cannot just rant away. Actually ranting is fine, but time is press here...so they say! People do say some outlandish things.
So we sharpen our swords of wisdom, not our claws. I am a bit of creative fellow, a bit of a crazy creative fellow, and inside is an even bigger one trying to get out! With your help we shall try and keep that under control.
If you could, would you explain your immediate reaction to the title of the post? What view you were holding before? Did reading the comments of others make you hold on tighter to your views, or did it loosen in any way? Did a level of fear, or was it anger or any other emotion arise?
Is the title irritating? Is it irrelevant? Did the post make you smile? Or could you read it, just noting what was said?
More importantly, is a reaction to a posting saying something about our mind? This point is extremely important!
You see, my whole agenda is pure consciousness. The mind gets loaded with concepts, acquired by ourselves and put there by others which obscure pure consciousness.
I have been on spiritual paths for about forty years, and I try to look at it from a few angles. The first books I read were by Chogyam Trungpa, especially 'Cutting through Spiritual Materialism'. That is one tough guy. No New Age for him!
Any ideas we hold about the universe, earth or ourselves is just a concept. An idea, a fabrication.
It is not the pure experience, which is beyond the words. What you are, is mere consciousness.
Not being a product of any thing, it is empty = pure. But is also cognisant = knowing. In the realisation of that, compassion arises. Compassion arises because when one truly realises ones own nature as empty-awareness = pure consciousness, one sees that it is in all sentient beings. A sadness arises = compassion, because sentient beings do not recognise their true nature. So there is joy but sadness.
When a so-called enemy, person or thing irritates us, it throws up reactions in the mind = emotions.
(Oh! Here I am not saying I do this on purpose, I only expand on what someone says...to the edge of slight discomfort!) In that emotion, fire is lit, that light is consciousness. Pure consciousness is wisdom. Emotion is exaggerated consciousness, because it forgot it's empty nature. ( Oh dear, I sound like I'm lecturing..er..call it explaining...after all I am your spiritual friend now, as we have a karmic connection!)
An example:
You see a wonky picture on the wall. Empty consciousness just notes it. One can just straighten it or leave it. But generally our ordinary consciousness gets judgemental, being full of ideas of how things 'should' be. It gets angry at a picture being so wonky. This is more easy to see when one meets a wonky person!
What is behind it all is, pure consciousness. That first instance of wonky awareness is wisdom. It has a term called, mirror-like wisdom. Just reflecting. There are other qualities of wisdom, but I won't go into that now. It is the ideas of self and other that gets in the way, which produces a reaction.
To me God, Earth, Consciousness are just words. It is the pure experience beyond all that which is reality. Even that has to be dropped. In expressing our true nature we are allowed to be a bit human, it makes life interesting and fun. People call things by different names. On closer inspection, all there is is love. But for that love to function it comes from pure awareness/ pure consciousness. Your pure consciousness. The body and mind is a vehicle for consciousness, it uses the earth to feed the body. It uses the mind to express. If you want you can say, the earth feeds the body, but that is playing nicely with words. What is important is the realisation of pure consciousness. Not just consciousness. The earth cannot do that for you.
Respect the earth, the body and all sentient beings. This the play of relative truth = the seeming reality. Ultimate reality is pure consciousness. We need the two, one reflecting the other.
This is no big deal, that's why humour is so important. The joke is, we mistake the seeming for the real. I do this all the time.
Now we come to the work. The work is to dissolve/exhaust/delete karma. Karma is the imprint in our minds, fixed ideas, these are caused by reacting to ever thing. We react to things because of the ideas we hold on to, placed there by previous ideas. Karma has quite deep grooves. Most of the time it is on automatic pilot. So the same things keep happening to us, we create our present situations. If we hold on tighter, we suffer more. Our minds are controlled by karma. All around you are distraction, the work is for you to take charge, and not your habitual karmic reactions, ie business as usual!
Every moment is created by our past. It is karmically produced. It is the same with every thought reaction, that too is a product of the past. I used to feel guilty about my thoughts, but realised that it was driven by karma. Now, this point is extremely important, if one just react, the karmic cycle just goes round again = nothing changes. But in that moment if one does not just react, pauses for a moment, then addresses the situation within empty-awareness, no karma is created. One is not holding on to anything, not even love!
And now for a joke!
Your seeming negative comment reveals wisdom! Without it, I could not have said so much. A sort of spiritual ju-jitsu! Please poke me as much as you like, and sharpen those fangs! I need someone like you to strip away my spiritual smugness. Every little helps!
Everyone's view is valued and important, but with a little help from our friends (the symbolic world) we can strip away what is not needed. Actually, in meditation, this happens by itself...the moment one gives up the meditation.
What is left is reality!
This is my most sincerest comment.
Tony
Crake
13th June 2011, 17:04
The earth does not have consciousness.
Hi pie'n'eal,
You have a way with words.
For me, in my reality, the planet earth is a fully conscious and awake being of which we are all part of. I know this because I am her as much as she is me. I acknowledge that there are many interpretations and perceptions to this notion, but this one for now is where I stand.
Blessings,
Crake
Morgaine
13th June 2011, 19:19
Thanks again Pie'n'eal, I like your mind that's for sure.
I don't mean to sound negative with my comments, as I'm sure you don't. I don't want to get drawn into a game of commentary ping-pong either! The first thought I had when I read the title was "There is someone who wants some attention." and I pictured a cheeky boy rather impishly giggling while he waited for the crowds to comply.... :p I am starting to see the other reasons there were for you starting the thread, and I respect that.
Spiritual smugness!! hehe.....good description!! But as for me, I don't have and fangs, I promise. I think I'm fairly modest and well-meaning.
As far as this thread goes I will continue to read other's comments in here with a view to expanding my knowledge, but I thank you for the gracious way you received my opinion.
Kind regards-
Morgaine.
Pride comes before a fall
animalspirits
14th June 2011, 12:06
The earth does have consciousness.
Her consciousness enlivened our collective consciousness.
Maia Gabrial
14th June 2011, 16:50
If rocks have consciousness, then so does Mother Earth which is part of her. And weren't we part of that density at one time?
Maia
Tarka the Duck
14th June 2011, 17:12
Isn't this pantomime to-ing and fro-ing of "Oh yes, the earth has consciousness!" and "Oh no, it hasn't!" down to a difference in the way we each define consciousness?
Tarka
Tony
14th June 2011, 18:11
I apologise for for bringing this back.
If what Alex Collier is saying is true, and what all the investigation is saying is true,
that Greys and Reptilians want human consciousness (as well as their bodies).
No where is it said that they want Earth consciousness.
Love the Earth, love nature.
They are saying don't be tricked.
Tony
MariaDine
14th June 2011, 18:30
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_82jYjcjk6wM/S6OAuOm3AhI/AAAAAAAACqs/H3TdUWUw9C4/s400/gurus_cut_out_for_enlightenment_526065.jpg
Namasté
ROMANWKT
14th June 2011, 19:40
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15834-Its-all-nonsense-part-1
:p
Nanoo Nanoo
14th June 2011, 20:28
Black Tiger V20 Welcome Back ; )
ROMANWKT
14th June 2011, 20:48
Black Tiger V20 Welcome Back ; )
Sorry???????????????????
Koyaanisqatsi
11th July 2011, 02:48
The earth is an inanimate object. Mathematics makes it move. We humanise it.
The forces of our collective ignorance, maintain a sentimentality about the place
we live in.
Of course we must care for it, everything we do should be caring.
What is of utmost importance is your consciousness. When that is in order, then
it can expand to other's welfare. The house you live in only reflects your consciousness.
The earth does not love, or not love. To believe that the world has its own consciousness
and that it will take care of YOU, is living in a fantasy, one where you don't have to do
anything. You have to take responsibility for your life.
The world is in the state its in because of you!
That is precisely why we have to awaken. Do not assume you are awake, yet.
You are making the Earth into a God figure.
We do have to respect the forces of nature,but that is not the whole story.
Tony
Well, I would invite you to refresh yourself on quantum mechanics/quantum theory sir. Dis-unity is an illusion, a powerful illusion as we see here....
Tenzin
11th July 2011, 03:29
Hmm... to regard our planet as a living being does make more people want to treat it better...
But I am inclined to keep distinction between the elements (and conditioned compounds) and consciousness clear. Otherwise, I may end up marrying a pillow (http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/816601-man-marries-pillow) or a tree...
ktlight
16th October 2011, 11:00
Dear All,
There surely must be someone else who wants to disagree?
I'm open to suggestions!
pie'n'eal
The fact that we live on this planet and all that is on it has been shaped by/through the planet implies that the planet has consciousness.
Lettherebelight
16th October 2011, 11:32
Well said, ktlight.
I like Tenzin's logic and reasoning also.
There are different levels of consciousness. It is presumptuous to assume we are at the pinnacle of realization.
An ant, crawling across a person's leg, has no comprehension of the level of consciousness that the human being possesses.
Sirius White
16th October 2011, 11:39
Cool topic.
Haven't read much of it.
But I can tell you every single thing has consciousness. Even that which one might assume to be inanimate.
Why? It is an extension of consciousness. In the same if you viewed this as a massive, unfathomable wavelength, it is a portion of that wave's frequency, a rise in its crest, a tiny little infinite nothing. It is as if you viewed the manifest world and visible spectrum as the portion of the hologram that is merely visible, as if the surface of a deep, deep pool of water. There is a lot beyond that surface that we cannot see or directly experience.
Consciousness brews deep within all things.
Fred Steeves
16th October 2011, 11:53
Funny this subject happened to pop back up today, I just mentioned this in a post on another thread. I had about a 15 minute direct encounter with the consciousness of this planet a few months, and it rocked me to my very core. An EXTREMELY emotional experience. Once you've actually been hit by lightning let's say, it's pretty hard for someone to analytically convince you that lightning itself does not exist.
Cheers,
Fred
Tony
16th October 2011, 12:02
The earth was created, by universal forces. It had a beginning, it has a middle and it will have an end. Anything that is created has a cause, it has no inherent existence of its own.
Billy
16th October 2011, 12:09
Dear Nomadguy,
Your potential is far greater than the Earth's.
One day the earth will fall into the Sun...gone!
You just have to find another home.
pie'n'eal
One day your body will be as dust, Gone.
You will have to find another :-)
My tupence worth.
All off creation is made from LIGHT. This light is crystalized and has geometry which is sacred in form. All light is consciousness in motion and communicates back to the source from whence it came. Our Mother Earth included. She is organic, Lives and breaths, gives and nurtures life in all forms. And now she is about to give birth.
Tony
16th October 2011, 12:24
Dear Nomadguy,
Your potential is far greater than the Earth's.
One day the earth will fall into the Sun...gone!
You just have to find another home.
pie'n'eal
One day your body will be as dust, Gone.
You will have to find another :-)
My tupence worth.
All off creation is made from LIGHT. This light is crystalized and has geometry which is sacred in form. All light is consciousness in motion and communicates back to the source from whence it came. Our Mother Earth included. She is organic, Lives and breaths, gives and nurtures life in all forms. And now she is about to give birth.
The earth also takes life...kills...it doesn't mean to! We will endlessly talk at cross purposes. What is sacred is beyond matter.
Sierra
16th October 2011, 12:48
The earth was created, by universal forces. It had a beginning, it has a middle and it
will have an end. Anything that is created has a cause, it has no inherent existence of its own.
Doesn't seem to be much point in having a body without a consciousness inhabiting it...
How could we move mountains if there was no consciousness to respond to our request?
The earth also takes life...kills...it doesn't mean to! We will endlessly talk at cross purposes. What is sacred is beyond matter.
Humans... most murderous organism I know of. And we're sacred ...
Billy
16th October 2011, 12:50
What is sacred is beyond matter.
Would you say that our Earth is Sacred in the Eyes of creator/source /God pie'n'eal
Tony
16th October 2011, 13:15
What is sacred is beyond matter.
Would you say that our Earth is Sacred in the Eyes of creator/source /God pie'n'eal
If, I were God, it would be the sentient beings that were sacred. The earth is a beautiful organic garden to live in.
If one believes in a Creator, then Creation would appear sacred.
I do not believe in a Creator or that Creation exists, but I do believe in the very nature of that Creator and Creation and that is sacred!
Consciousness is the relative world, Emptiness essence is the Absolute world.
Our true nature is beyond matter. Our problem is that we believe phenomena to be real. It is transient.
However we should respect all things, this is the unity of the relative and the absolute.
Tony
Tony
16th October 2011, 13:27
The earth was created, by universal forces. It had a beginning, it has a middle and it
will have an end. Anything that is created has a cause, it has no inherent existence of its own.
Doesn't seem to be much point in having a body without a consciousness inhabiting it...
How could we move mountains if there was no consciousness to respond to our request?
The earth also takes life...kills...it doesn't mean to! We will endlessly talk at cross purposes. What is sacred is beyond matter.
Humans... most murderous organism I know of. And we're sacred ...
The body is a vehicle, consciousness resides in it. The body needs food, so it walks upon the earth, generally mucking around! It mucks around because it is in a confused state...killing and loving! After a bit this consciousness wonders, "What am I doing here?" One starts to realise that consciousness is not the body, and that its nature is pure, it always has been, we just have to wash some of that muck off!!!
another bob
16th October 2011, 13:42
Our problem is that we believe phenomena to be real.
Greetings, Friend!
That is not our problem. Phenomena are just props for this human experience we're here for. Our problem (hindrance) is that we like some phenomena but dislike others, and so get stuck in grasping and avoidance strategies which complicate and dim our appreciation for creation.
Blessings!
Tarka the Duck
16th October 2011, 14:34
Our problem is that we believe phenomena to be real.
Greetings, Friend!
That is not our problem. Phenomena are just props for this human experience we're here for. Our problem (hindrance) is that we like some phenomena but dislike others, and so get stuck in grasping and avoidance strategies which complicate and dim our appreciation for creation.
Blessings!
Hello A B
But surely, if we are grasping or avoiding, we must believe that things are real...so that is at the root.
First, consciousness looks out and sees something and takes it to be real - and then it decided whether it likes or dislikes it.
Kathie
ROMANWKT
16th October 2011, 14:35
I have had a real old think about this and done some soul searching on this subject matter and I am changing my mind here publicly stating that all is an illusion, all is conciousness only. all is within so there is nothing without, and that includes the earth and the universe, for all is just conciousness condensed.
regards to all
roman
there will be more about this soon from me as I am finishing "its all nonsense part 2"
another bob
16th October 2011, 14:40
Our problem is that we believe phenomena to be real.
Greetings, Friend!
That is not our problem. Phenomena are just props for this human experience we're here for. Our problem (hindrance) is that we like some phenomena but dislike others, and so get stuck in grasping and avoidance strategies which complicate and dim our appreciation for creation.
Blessings!
Hello A B
But surely, if we are grasping or avoiding, we must believe that things are real...so that is at the root.
First, consciousness looks out and sees something and takes it to be real - and then it decided whether it likes or dislikes it.
Kathie
Greetings, Friend!
Grasping/avoiding is a chronic activity of contraction we are superimposing onto "what is". The mere perception of objects is the natural function of the organism, only clouded when intepretation based on desire/fear is added.
Blessings!
Tarka the Duck
16th October 2011, 14:45
Hello A B
But surely, if we are grasping or avoiding, we must believe that things are real...so that is at the root.
First, consciousness looks out and sees something and takes it to be real - and then it decided whether it likes or dislikes it.
Kathie
Greetings, Friend!
Grasping/avoiding is a chronic activity of contraction we are superimposing onto "what is". The mere perception of objects is the natural function of the organism, only clouded when intepretation based on desire/fear is added.
Blessings!
Absolutely! But the point Tony was making is that, in our day to day mindset, we don't merely perceive...we mistake things as being real and then we go on to like or dislike them.
Kathie
Tony
16th October 2011, 14:50
I have had a real old think about this and done some soul searching on this subject matter and I am changing my mind here publicly stating that all is an illusion, all is conciousness only. all is within so there is nothing without, and that includes the earth and the universe, for all is just conciousness condensed.
regards to all
roman
there will be more about this soon from me as I am finishing "its all nonsense part 2"
You are right!!!! Every thing is created by consciousness. Consciousness is deluded, it creates illusions.
Consciousness is deluded because it believes what is seen is real...it is all impermanent!
When one realises the true nature of all things, which is empty of any true existence, one has realised absolute truth.
another bob
16th October 2011, 14:50
Absolutely! But the point Tony was making is that, in our day to day mindset, we don't merely perceive...we mistake things as being real and then we go on to like or dislike them.
Thank you for your comment, Friend! It is not a mistake to take things as real, otherwise the game would be spoiled. The problem is when we make the game conflictual via superimposing our junk on it.
Blessings!
Fred Steeves
16th October 2011, 14:59
The earth was created, by universal forces. It had a beginning, it has a middle and it will have an end. Anything that is created has a cause, it has no inherent existence of its own.
Okey Dokey.:)
another bob
16th October 2011, 15:14
When one realises the true nature of all things, which is empty of any true existence, one has realised absolute truth.
The ignorant eschew phenomena but not thought; the wise eschew thought but not phenomena.
All these phenomena are intrinsically void and yet this Mind to which they are identical is no mere nothingness.
By this I mean that it does exist, but in a way too marvelous for us to comprehend.
It is an existence that is no existence, a non-existence which is nevertheless existence.
So this true Void does in some marvelous way 'exist'.
~The Zen Teachings of Huang Po
Blessings!
amadeus
16th October 2011, 15:40
The earth does not have consciousness.
hello pie`ne`eal, pleased to meet you
your post makes no sense to me, i believe you are suggesting that all that occurs outside of ourselves is caused by us thus we are the motive all else exists
i imagine your belief forms from mankind being the center of our universe
i suggest you have direction of information flow the wrong way around
we are and will ever only be what our self aware universe remembers we are
matching our awareness of ourselves to it`s awareness of what we are is the key, a key humanity has yet to turn
once it does turn we can never again forget what we are
Tony
16th October 2011, 17:53
hello pie`ne`eal, pleased to meet you
your post makes no sense to me, i believe you are suggesting that all that occurs outside of ourselves is caused by us thus we are the motive all else exists
i imagine your belief forms from mankind being the center of our universe
i suggest you have direction of information flow the wrong way around
we are and will ever only be what our self aware universe remembers we are
matching our awareness of ourselves to it`s awareness of what we are is the key, a key humanity has yet to turn
once it does turn we can never again forget what we are
Hello Amadeus,
I'm not totally understanding what you are saying. Are you saying that universal space is self aware?
You are the creator of your deluded universe, I am the creator of my deluded universe. Our delusions are near enough to create a collective illusion. The key is to realise that it is an illusion. No thing is real. Our pure consciousness is a reality, it neither exists nor does not exist.
We have every right to see things differently.
Tony
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 20:50
The ignorant eschew phenomena but not thought; the wise eschew thought but not phenomena.
All these phenomena are intrinsically void and yet this Mind to which they are identical is no mere nothingness.
By this I mean that it does exist, but in a way too marvelous for us to comprehend.
It is an existence that is no existence, a non-existence which is nevertheless existence.
So this true Void does in some marvelous way 'exist'.
On the conventional level of reality, it is my current understanding that thoughts, or the thinking mind creates Self, ego, and I am, which in turn colours the world based on the idea of permenance when in fact there is no indication of permenance or continuation through past, present and future events, the so called, present due to linguistical limitations is barely here, let alone past and future, because identifying a phenomena through common channels of perception stems from mind. The mind can only go so far, if one goes beyond mind and says the word, love, for example that word has a different energy signature from the same word spoken by one who operates from mind.
another bob
16th October 2011, 21:53
On the conventional level of reality, it is my current understanding that thoughts, or the thinking mind creates Self, ego, and I am
Greetings, Friend!
Both Self and self are fantasies of interpretation on perception, as are the three worlds (past,present,future). Furthermore, one cannot transcend mind with mind, anymore than one can step out of consciousness. Moreover, any notion that one can even have some kind of knowledge of that which is prior to mind is a fantasy. How can that which comes after have any knowledge of that which pertains prior to its arrival?
Blessings!
laughs-last
16th October 2011, 22:07
Has anyone here been to the void? surely such a person could fill enlighten us with regards to such matters :)
The earth is conscious. All this did not start with us, sorry and pie'n'eal if I remember he who talks of the tao, knows not the tao.
I know nothing :P
ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and PARADOXICAL CANARIES :jester:
Whiskey_Mystic
16th October 2011, 22:17
All things have consciousness.
All things are consciousness.
All non-things have consciousness.
All non-things are consciousness.
There is only consciousness.
There is only not-consciousness.
There is only the Tao.
There is only not the Tao.
laughs-last
16th October 2011, 22:17
I think maybe pie'n'eal you are having a semantic problem here consciousness and thought are not necessarily the same, thoughts can be delusional yes, consciousness however is not. I think you might have to rethink your application of logic, which is not necessarily the best way of approaching existance; if you go too far down the path of logic, some places can potentially destroy your mind.
what do I know? good question
ONE LOVE, BIG HUGZ and FEELIN' IT :jester:
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:20
Both Self and self are fantasies of interpretation on perception, as are the three worlds (past,present,future). Furthermore, one cannot transcend mind with mind, anymore than one can step out of consciousness. Moreover, any notion that one can even have some kind of knowledge of that which is prior to mind is a fantasy. How can that which comes after have any knowledge of that which pertains prior to its arrival?
It seems that you're in early stages of meditation, if you meditate. You've got the intellectual part right, do you have a teacher?
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The earth is conscious.
How do you know?
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:23
There is only not-consciousness.
What is not-consciousness ?
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:26
It seems that you're in early stages of meditation...
Friend, let's steer clear of ad hominems.
Blessings!
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:28
Friend, let's steer clear of ad hominems.
How do you wish to steer it then?
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:31
Friend, let's steer clear of ad hominems.
How do you wish to steer it then?
Away from uninformed personal assessments and back to the topic under review, ie consciousness.
Blessings!
GaelVictor
16th October 2011, 22:31
If the Universe be mental in it's substantial nature, then it follows that mental transmutation must change the conditions of the Universe.
If the Universe is mental, then Mind must be the highest power affecting it's phenomena.
If nothing exists outside the Prime Source(The All), everything exists inside it.
The ALL is Mind, the Universe is mental.
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:35
uninformed personal assessments
The first step is to tame the ego, don't be afraid to step in the field, it's just mind made. There is no enemy.
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:38
The ALL is Mind, the Universe is mental.
A monk asked Baso, “Why do you teach that Mind is Buddha?”
Baso replied, “To stop a baby's crying.”
The monk asked, “ What is it like when the baby stops crying?”
Baso answered, “No Mind, no Buddha.”
Blessings!
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:41
A monk asked Baso, “Why do you teach that Mind is Buddha?”
Baso replied, “To stop a baby's crying.”
The monk asked, “ What is it like when the baby stops crying?”
Baso answered, “No Mind, no Buddha.”
That story is incorrect, if there is no mind and Buddha, who's fingered typed what you thought?
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:43
The first step is to tame the ego...There is no enemy.
Nor is there some ego to be tamed -- that's just more propaganda based on corrupted views. However, by trying to tame this imaginary critter, you yourself have de facto created an enemy.
Blessings!
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:45
If the Universe be mental in it's substantial nature, then it follows that mental transmutation must change the conditions of the Universe.
If the Universe is mental, then Mind must be the highest power affecting it's phenomena.
If nothing exists outside the Prime Source(The All), everything exists inside it.
The ALL is Mind, the Universe is mental.
I shall meditate on this, thank you for the insight.
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:46
...who's fingered typed what you thought?
Typing typed.
Blessings!
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:46
Nor is there some ego to be tamed -- that's just more propaganda based on corrupted views. However, by trying to tame this imaginary critter, you yourself have de facto created an enemy.
Are you talking to someone?
another bob
16th October 2011, 22:49
Nor is there some ego to be tamed -- that's just more propaganda based on corrupted views. However, by trying to tame this imaginary critter, you yourself have de facto created an enemy.
Are you talking to someone?
Talking is talking, is hearing hearing? :p
Blessings!
modwiz
16th October 2011, 22:51
Wow, a fresh episode of The Twilight Zone. After years of repeats, it is refreshing. :scared:
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 22:53
Talking is talking, is hearing hearing?
You're very defensive, this denotes the presence of an ego. So what you're saying undermines the contents of the words. How can you say anything with absolute certainty? The second thing to tame is Clarity.
Dawn
16th October 2011, 22:56
The void is only dark and apparently empty because we are moving. It is filled with dark matter. I have been still at the center before everything is manifested, and I can attest that the void is actually pure light, when you are still and can perceive it. On one side of the coin it is empty, on the other side it is filled with the many. Both sides are valid.
All is one. Even the apparent many are one. And the one loves it's many parts and manifestations. When the seeker is 'halfway up the mountain', there is the realization that all is one and all is emptiness. When you have climbed the mountain and come back into the world you recognize that it is all consciousness at play. As you can interact with with me, so you can interact with all the forms in consciousness. And they are all conscious.... what else could they be? There is nothing else.
There are so many delicious places on the path of spiritual growth. When the seeker stops searching and lives in the here and now, this reality is such a delicious experience. And it is all yourself at play. In this way everything you encounter is you as consciousness in manifestation.
Of course the earth is conscious.... even as a projection of your consciousness.... she is still yourself projected outwards. And you are consciousness, and also the empty/fullness at the same time.
Lettherebelight
16th October 2011, 23:06
From the Vedic perspective...sorry if this seems really technical...:wacko2:
There are layers of material energy covering the anti-material energy (or spiritual, consciousness). They decrease in density, becoming more subtle as we go toward the Source.
Mind is just one of these more subtle, but still material coverings.
Higher than the Mind layer, is Intelligence. There are beings who possess bodies made of only pure Intelligence within this universe.
More subtle than Intelligence, is Ego. Ego is the last, very subtle layer, but still material in nature. It is very difficult to comprehend objectively.
Beyond Ego is the pure Self, Spirit. Our true nature.
'bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh
kham mano buddhir eva ca
ahankara itiyam me
bhinna prakrtir astadha'
SYNONYMS
bhumih--earth; apah--water; analah--fire; vayuh--air; kham--ether; manah--mind; buddhih--intelligence; eva--certainly; ca--and; ahankarah--false ego; iti--thus; iyam--all these; me--My; bhinna--separated; prakrtih--energies; astadha--total eight
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TRANSLATION
Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego--all together these eight comprise My separated material energies.
(Bhagavada Gita, ch. 7,' Knowledge of the Absolute')
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:08
this reality is such a delicious experience
I really don't think that this reality is a very pleasing experience to starving baby.
truthseekerdan
16th October 2011, 23:09
Let's assume that Pure Consciousness (Source) is the 'eye of the hurricane' or the 'void'. Therefore my perceiving of The One Pure Consciousness holographic manifestation is 'projected energy' -- what we call creation in all its forms and awareness... JMHO
amadeus
16th October 2011, 23:18
hello pie`ne`eal, pleased to meet you
your post makes no sense to me, i believe you are suggesting that all that occurs outside of ourselves is caused by us thus we are the motive all else exists
i imagine your belief forms from mankind being the center of our universe
i suggest you have direction of information flow the wrong way around
we are and will ever only be what our self aware universe remembers we are
matching our awareness of ourselves to it`s awareness of what we are is the key, a key humanity has yet to turn
once it does turn we can never again forget what we are
Hello Amadeus,
I'm not totally understanding what you are saying. Are you saying that universal space is self aware?
You are the creator of your deluded universe, I am the creator of my deluded universe. Our delusions are near enough to create a collective illusion. The key is to realise that it is an illusion. No thing is real. Our pure consciousness is a reality, it neither exists nor does not exist.
We have every right to see things differently.
Tony
your reality is as valid as my reality is not universally true
were it so, our universe could and would never exist
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:18
Let's assume that Pure Consciousness (Source) is the 'eye of the hurricane' or the 'void'. Therefore my perceiving of The One Pure Consciousness holographic manifestation is 'projected energy' -- what we call creation in all its forms and awareness... JMHO
Dan, this is a bit difficult to follow? I do not understand.
:)
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:24
universally true
What is universally true mean? If I may ask.
truthseekerdan
16th October 2011, 23:25
Let's assume that Pure Consciousness (Source) is the 'eye of the hurricane' or the 'void'. Therefore my perceiving of The One Pure Consciousness holographic manifestation is 'projected energy' -- what we call creation in all its forms and awareness... JMHO
Dan, this is a bit difficult to follow? I do not understand.
:)
I don't understand or express it either with my 'conscious mind', but if one explores the 'Subconscious Mind' will find out. :)
amadeus
16th October 2011, 23:28
your reality is as valid as my reality is not universally true
were it so, our universe could and would never exist
motive:
structure and function can not be separated
the non material and material structure of our universe forces eternal to function eternally
thus the prime motive of our universe is eternity
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:32
I don't understand or express it either with my 'conscious mind', but if one explores the 'Subconscious Mind' will find out
I understand now, thank you Dan.
another bob
16th October 2011, 23:35
Talking is talking, is hearing hearing?
You're very defensive, this denotes the presence of an ego. So what you're saying undermines the contents of the words. How can you say anything with absolute certainty? The second thing to tame is Clarity.
Friend, I see you wish to continue directing the inquiry away from the topic and into personal assessment and projection.
No interest here, so . . .
Blessings!
truthseekerdan
16th October 2011, 23:38
the non material and material structure of our universe forces eternal to function eternally
thus the prime motive of our universe is eternity
The universe 'is created' out of unconditional love. The universe has a beginning, therefore it will also have an end. What is eternal is The One Consciousness that has no form, but all possibilities and potential.
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:38
motive:
structure and function can not be separated
the non material and material structure of our universe forces eternal to function eternally
thus the prime motive of our universe is eternity
I am initiating General Order 13.
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:42
Blessings
Not interested in your blessings, keep them for yourself.
truthseekerdan
16th October 2011, 23:43
I don't understand or express it either with my 'conscious mind', but if one explores the 'Subconscious Mind' will find out
I understand now, thank you Dan.
David, to put it in words so that the human mind can understand -- the 'Subconscious Mind' (Source/God) is the projector, and the Universe itself is the projection.
Hope this helps.
Davidallany
16th October 2011, 23:49
David, to put it in words so that the human mind can understand -- the 'Subconscious Mind' (Source/God) is the projector, and the Universe itself is the projection.
This I can understand, Dan. But I still have not seen it through direct experience. Meditate on this, I shall.
Thank you Dan. Every bit helps.
amadeus
17th October 2011, 00:01
the non material and material structure of our universe forces eternal to function eternally
thus the prime motive of our universe is eternity
The universe 'is created' out of unconditional love. The universe has a beginning, therefore it will also have an end. What is eternal is The One Consciousness that has no form, but all possibilities and potential.
there is no beginning in eternal thus no end
without motive there is no thing including love
love is an effect
motive is the cause
modwiz
17th October 2011, 00:11
I wonder if the Pie man has done ayahuasca? I don't know if you can partake of that wisdom and still hold that the Mother has no consciousness. That said, although I disagree with Tony, I have no argument for him and feel comfortable with him having his truth and the others who concur.
Sophistry is a luxury we are blessed to be able to indulge in. A clear indication that the S has not HTF.
Row, row, row your boat................
Whiskey_Mystic
17th October 2011, 00:24
What is not-consciousness ?
What is consciousness?
consciousness and thought are not necessarily the same
It could be said that consciousness is the space within which thought arises.
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