This woman clobbered EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN

[ktlight]

Her name is Mary Croft and she's a heroine.

She tells it how is actually is in this interview on Ride Ice:

This is the first part of 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHZTjTmrgjI&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/user/StealthModeLondon#p/u/13/YHZTjTmrgjI

This is her site: http://spiritualeconomicsnow.net/

[s3nru]

if you like mary's stuff you should also check out 'thomas anderson' and 'robert menard' as they have some excellent literature/interviews out there as well on the sovereignty subject.

[Lord Sidious]

I would suggest that you nuggets read her book.
Because I am going to take you on that ride on my radio show.
I will discuss basic and advanced techniques and theories.

[9eagle9]

I can vouch for Mary Croft's approach which is based partly on knowledge of UCC and one's mind and heart set. Sooo far so good.

Not to mention her cavalier attitude and sense of entitlement is amusing.

I am fortunate to work with a company that respects my decision not to provide social security information after I pointed out some interesting bits in the US revenue tax procedures book. They felt safe , felt safe, everybody be happy.

Well I'm sure the PTB isn't but not my problem....

[Lord Sidious]

I can vouch for Mary Croft's approach which is based partly on knowledge of UCC and one's mind and heart set. Sooo far so good.

Not to mention her cavalier attitude and sense of entitlement is amusing.

I am fortunate to work with a company that respects my decision not to provide social security information after I pointed out some interesting bits in the US revenue tax procedures book. They felt safe , felt safe, everybody be happy.

Well I'm sure the PTB isn't but not my problem....

I can take you further than Mary Croft, Robert Menard and a lot of them combined.
Remember, I am an enemy of the crown, by their own machinations.
So, I went to war with them and beat them.
Clue?
Google Lien.

[9eagle9]

Take me M' Lord.

Okay that sounded insinuating.

Looking at Lien's.

[Second Son]

I see you are still talking about your radio show, Rob.
I might be persuaded to come over to the dark side.
I would be interested in hearing what you have in mind, because I think that almost ALL of our collective gripes come from not asserting our own inalienable right to sovereignty. The minutia is of little import... until we realize that we have NO civil/human rights, if we agree to enter into the system. We become a corporate entity.

[Lord Sidious]

I see you are still talking about your radio show, Rob.
I might be persuaded to come over to the dark side.
I would be interested in hearing what you have in mind, because I think that almost ALL of our collective gripes come from not asserting our own inalienable right to sovereignty. The minutia is of little import... until we realize that we have NO civil/human rights, if we agree to enter into the system. We become a corporate entity.

Ní siocháin go saoirse

[Second Son]

Is your Gaelic quote a coincidence, or as a Dark Lord of the Sith, perhaps you KNOW I am a Scot?

[Second Son]

I caught a link some time ago, Sid... It was a law link which stated in effect that corporations, though actionable are for all effects and purposes "dead". When one enters a courtroom, it is ostensibly as a flesh-and-blood human, BUT if one were to know this is NOT the case, and in fact we are actually a subsidiary of a larger corporate body (at least in court) would it not be a good area to look for pleadings?

[Jendayi]

i am stuck in translating her book to dutch.. legal terms are quite the challenge...

[Lord Sidious]

I caught a link some time ago, Sid... It was a law link which stated in effect that corporations, though actionable are for all effects and purposes "dead". When one enters a courtroom, it is ostensibly as a flesh-and-blood human, BUT if one were to know this is NOT the case, and in fact we are actually a subsidiary of a larger corporate body (at least in court) would it not be a good area to look for pleadings?

If you go down the path of the ''person'' and ''joinder'' they will not respond well, unless they ignore you.
There are ways and ways, I haven't seen a successful one here in Australia yet.

[Second Son]

I have heard some interesting audios on the the net by a woman in the UK, who has had great luck (or had had, at the time of posting the audios) in staying in honor with the court and not complying at the same time. She did not stress the sovereign part as far as I remember, but she did stress that there had been "a misunderstanding" quite emphatically.

[Lord Sidious]

Ok avalonuggets, thanks to our admin Paul, you can now download this book, Cracking the Code 3rd edition.
Read it.
Yes, it is long, yes it is worth it and no, you aren't serious if you don't read it.
'Nuff said.

thepythoniccow.us/Cracking_The_Code.pdf

[Calz]

Take me M' Lord.

Okay that sounded insinuating.

Looking at Lien's.

Tread carefully m'lord ... light sabers are nothing when it comes to a margarita driven meatfork!!! :washing:

Took me 10 damn lifetimes to figure that one out :haha:

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Ok avalonuggets, thanks to our admin Paul, you can now download this book, Cracking the Code 3rd edition.
Read it.
Yes, it is long, yes it is worth it and no, you aren't serious if you don't read it.
'Nuff said.

thepythoniccow.us/Cracking_The_Code.pdf


Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Paul ... how long do you have to be a mod before you get your own cow smiley???

[ktlight]

I would suggest that you nuggets read her book.
Because I am going to take you on that ride on my radio show.
I will discuss basic and advanced techniques and theories.

Rob, you know she would probably do an interview with you? Do you know you can make direct contact with her?

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul ... how long do you have to be a mod before you get your own cow smiley???
Good idea :cow:

[ktlight]

I can vouch for Mary Croft's approach which is based partly on knowledge of UCC and one's mind and heart set. Sooo far so good.

Not to mention her cavalier attitude and sense of entitlement is amusing.

I am fortunate to work with a company that respects my decision not to provide social security information after I pointed out some interesting bits in the US revenue tax procedures book. They felt safe , felt safe, everybody be happy.

Well I'm sure the PTB isn't but not my problem....

I can take you further than Mary Croft, Robert Menard and a lot of them combined.
Remember, I am an enemy of the crown, by their own machinations.
So, I went to war with them and beat them.
Clue?
Google Lien.

Here's another link to a further possible radio interview that's well worth investigating, mentioned by Mary:


Ecclesiastical Deed Poll
This is from Frank O’Collins, in Australia:
His websites are: http://one-heaven.org and http://ucadia.com
The history of the RC Church, the Pope, and Canon Law is fascinating.
Specifically, go to: http://one-heaven.org/canons_positive_law/article_1330.htm
in order to write an Ecclesiastical Deed Poll for your particular situation.
It is time for people to stand up and stop being frightened.
We are not slaves, we are not damned, we are not condemned.
Each man and woman must make the choice to stop being fearful, to stop being sick, to stop their suffering.
We must give public notice about who we are.
When each of us does this, there IS a cure and remedy.
The Day of Divine Agreement–– the 7 Writs of the Apocalypse–– was Dec. 21, 2009.
Dec. 21, 2010 will be the Day of Divine Protest and Dishonor which each of us can issue when each of us stands and proclaims, “We are a Divine Immortal Spirit”.
Dec. 21, 2011 will be the Day of Divine Judgment
Dec. 21, 2012 will be the Day of Redemption
The end of world as we know it, technically, is Dec. 21, 2011
The beginning of the new world is Dec. 21. 2012
These 4 dates make up perfect Divine Notarial Procedure
The Ecclesiastical Deed Poll appears to be having very positive results.
.

[Lord Sidious]

The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his cynical hat...

IME accidental freefall down this part of the rabbit hole has been one of the most time consuming and frustrating expeditions into newspeak I have ever experienced. To date I've collected over 13GB of information on this subject matter alone.

John Carpenter TPUC, Rob Menard, Mary Croft, Thomas Anderson, James Duanne, JUDGE-David-Wynn-Miller, Kent Bankhead, Roger Clarke, Arthur Chresby, John Lamont & Wayne Levick, Sir Robert Garran, John Wilson, Roger Elvick UCC, Winston Shrout UCC, Sam Davis UCC, Vic Varjabedian UCC, Rice McCleod UCC, Living Man Material, Graham Strachan, Marc McMurtrie, The Antiterrorist..... and thats just the very tip of the iceburg!!!

So Lord Sidious....couple of quick questions if I may, I take it by your earlier statement that you have not managed to find the 'supposedly' available remedy in oz law as yet.
(hence another comment you made elsewhere describing oz inc as the most corrupt on the planet...)

You hint at the use of liens... Commercial or otherwise? Can I take it by that you are inferencing somewhat the Winston Shrout approach?

The big failing in that for us mug punters in oz is the inability to access a 'real' Notary Public. Seems members of the bar here have them in an only for their use sandbox!!

Sorry for the lack of eloquence as you can see it is hot button with me... I would really really really love this to be do-able but despite all the claims no-one can point me to case numbers as evidence of succesful prosecution using such tactics. (no Hutt River Province doesn't count) No shortage of evidence of those who have failed however....

cheers

[ktlight]

The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

[Lord Sidious]

Mad Hatter dons his cynical hat...

IME accidental freefall down this part of the rabbit hole has been one of the most time consuming and frustrating expeditions into newspeak I have ever experienced. To date I've collected over 13GB of information on this subject matter alone.

John Carpenter TPUC, Rob Menard, Mary Croft, Thomas Anderson, James Duanne, JUDGE-David-Wynn-Miller, Kent Bankhead, Roger Clarke, Arthur Chresby, John Lamont & Wayne Levick, Sir Robert Garran, John Wilson, Roger Elvick UCC, Winston Shrout UCC, Sam Davis UCC, Vic Varjabedian UCC, Rice McCleod UCC, Living Man Material, Graham Strachan, Marc McMurtrie, The Antiterrorist..... and thats just the very tip of the iceburg!!!

So Lord Sidious....couple of quick questions if I may, I take it by your earlier statement that you have not managed to find the 'supposedly' available remedy in oz law as yet.
(hence another comment you made elsewhere describing oz inc as the most corrupt on the planet...)

You hint at the use of liens... Commercial or otherwise? Can I take it by that you are inferencing somewhat the Winston Shrout approach?

The big failing in that for us mug punters in oz is the inability to access a 'real' Notary Public. Seems members of the bar here have them in an only for their use sandbox!!

Sorry for the lack of eloquence as you can see it is hot button with me... I would really really really love this to be do-able but despite all the claims no-one can point me to case numbers as evidence of succesful prosecution using such tactics. (no Hutt River Province doesn't count) No shortage of evidence of those who have failed however....

cheers

Garran, is that quick and garrans annotated notes on the constitution? If so, that is worth it's weight in gold, if you need to comprehend that act.
I don't know why people call liens commercial, they are all that, they are from the law of equity.
I know Winston, he is a good bloke, but I did my lien myself, no one I knew could help me.
There are notaries around that will do things, but not a protest.
I had one do that against robert mc clelland and he got the wind put up him after I completed the protest.
The thing is, the successful ones here don't go to court.
I don't know of anyone like that off the top of my head.
I don't go to court, but they leave me alone these days.




The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I did a while back.
She is good with the theory to teach you that, but not the practise, from what I have been told.

[ktlight]

Mad Hatter dons his cynical hat...

IME accidental freefall down this part of the rabbit hole has been one of the most time consuming and frustrating expeditions into newspeak I have ever experienced. To date I've collected over 13GB of information on this subject matter alone.

John Carpenter TPUC, Rob Menard, Mary Croft, Thomas Anderson, James Duanne, JUDGE-David-Wynn-Miller, Kent Bankhead, Roger Clarke, Arthur Chresby, John Lamont & Wayne Levick, Sir Robert Garran, John Wilson, Roger Elvick UCC, Winston Shrout UCC, Sam Davis UCC, Vic Varjabedian UCC, Rice McCleod UCC, Living Man Material, Graham Strachan, Marc McMurtrie, The Antiterrorist..... and thats just the very tip of the iceburg!!!

So Lord Sidious....couple of quick questions if I may, I take it by your earlier statement that you have not managed to find the 'supposedly' available remedy in oz law as yet.
(hence another comment you made elsewhere describing oz inc as the most corrupt on the planet...)

You hint at the use of liens... Commercial or otherwise? Can I take it by that you are inferencing somewhat the Winston Shrout approach?

The big failing in that for us mug punters in oz is the inability to access a 'real' Notary Public. Seems members of the bar here have them in an only for their use sandbox!!

Sorry for the lack of eloquence as you can see it is hot button with me... I would really really really love this to be do-able but despite all the claims no-one can point me to case numbers as evidence of succesful prosecution using such tactics. (no Hutt River Province doesn't count) No shortage of evidence of those who have failed however....

cheers

Garran, is that quick and garrans annotated notes on the constitution? If so, that is worth it's weight in gold, if you need to comprehend that act.
I don't know why people call liens commercial, they are all that, they are from the law of equity.
I know Winston, he is a good bloke, but I did my lien myself, no one I knew could help me.
There are notaries around that will do things, but not a protest.
I had one do that against robert mc clelland and he got the wind put up him after I completed the protest.
The thing is, the successful ones here don't go to court.
I don't know of anyone like that off the top of my head.
I don't go to court, but they leave me alone these days.




The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I did a while back.
She is good with the theory to teach you that, but not the practise, from what I have been told.

Are you referring to Mary? I was referring to the One-Heaven site. I think Rob Menard has some success.

[9eagle9]

I want more information on liens myself in this context, LS, if you might direct me? My right brain doesn't know what its looking for.

[Lord Sidious]

Mad Hatter dons his cynical hat...

IME accidental freefall down this part of the rabbit hole has been one of the most time consuming and frustrating expeditions into newspeak I have ever experienced. To date I've collected over 13GB of information on this subject matter alone.

John Carpenter TPUC, Rob Menard, Mary Croft, Thomas Anderson, James Duanne, JUDGE-David-Wynn-Miller, Kent Bankhead, Roger Clarke, Arthur Chresby, John Lamont & Wayne Levick, Sir Robert Garran, John Wilson, Roger Elvick UCC, Winston Shrout UCC, Sam Davis UCC, Vic Varjabedian UCC, Rice McCleod UCC, Living Man Material, Graham Strachan, Marc McMurtrie, The Antiterrorist..... and thats just the very tip of the iceburg!!!

So Lord Sidious....couple of quick questions if I may, I take it by your earlier statement that you have not managed to find the 'supposedly' available remedy in oz law as yet.
(hence another comment you made elsewhere describing oz inc as the most corrupt on the planet...)

You hint at the use of liens... Commercial or otherwise? Can I take it by that you are inferencing somewhat the Winston Shrout approach?

The big failing in that for us mug punters in oz is the inability to access a 'real' Notary Public. Seems members of the bar here have them in an only for their use sandbox!!

Sorry for the lack of eloquence as you can see it is hot button with me... I would really really really love this to be do-able but despite all the claims no-one can point me to case numbers as evidence of succesful prosecution using such tactics. (no Hutt River Province doesn't count) No shortage of evidence of those who have failed however....

cheers

Garran, is that quick and garrans annotated notes on the constitution? If so, that is worth it's weight in gold, if you need to comprehend that act.
I don't know why people call liens commercial, they are all that, they are from the law of equity.
I know Winston, he is a good bloke, but I did my lien myself, no one I knew could help me.
There are notaries around that will do things, but not a protest.
I had one do that against robert mc clelland and he got the wind put up him after I completed the protest.
The thing is, the successful ones here don't go to court.
I don't know of anyone like that off the top of my head.
I don't go to court, but they leave me alone these days.




The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I did a while back.
She is good with the theory to teach you that, but not the practise, from what I have been told.

Are you referring to Mary? I was referring to the One-Heaven site. I think Rob Menard has some success.

Ah, that site.
Yeah, I had a look before when we were discussing it in PM.
I don't think it is my sort of thing really, but to each their own as they say.


I want more information on liens myself in this context, LS, if you might direct me? My right brain doesn't know what its looking for.

Not yet.
Liens are a very potent tool but they have a backlash too, if misused.
I will run through some stuff on my law show to prepare people for things like that.

[Mad Hatter]

G'day again Lord Sidious,

Ta for the responses. Yep the annotated notes certainly made intersting reading... I'll just say DOH!! re lien comment. I hear what you say re avoiding court altogether if possible as it should be down to the correct paperwork.

Is the basic UCC process pre requisite as the underlying basis for taking up such a position?
If so is it necessary / worth having at hand copies of the relevant international treaties?
Is the the Birth Certificate / Bond angle worth spending any further time on?
If so any nuggets regarding the strawman as a transmitting utility...?

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

G'day again Lord Sidious,

Ta for the responses. Yep the annotated notes certainly made intersting reading... I'll just say DOH!! re lien comment. I hear what you say re avoiding court altogether if possible as it should be down to the correct paperwork.

Is the basic UCC process pre requisite as the underlying basis for taking up such a position?
If so is it necessary / worth having at hand copies of the relevant international treaties?
Is the the Birth Certificate / Bond angle worth spending any further time on?
If so any nuggets regarding the strawman as a transmitting utility...?

cheers

I have my UCC 1 so I would say yes at this stage.
I don't know about the treaties, depends on which ones you mean I suppose.
I would study the birth cert issue, so that when this is working here, you can apply it.
And the strawman issue is worthy of study too.

[the trojan]

I have been watching the 'freeman', movement for about five years now and the variety of methods applied over the years all appear to be sound.
But I could not point anyone to a definitive successful method.
Even Robert Menard does not provide definite method and evidence of success,although his theories are amazingly sound.
I have read Mary Crofts book and listened to her podcasts/interviews,but again other than various people on t' net offering to provide the blueprint (In exchange for fiat)
there does not seem to be a tried and tested method.

One of the problems is the employees of the crown,police,court clerks,magistrates and judges are just ignoring anyone who attempts not to play the game.

There is also a young man called ben lowrey who has a website dedicated to exploring law and common law mixed with ucc and loads of other info.....he is thorough and if anyone could find the true method,i guess it would be him...but..he has not.(he charges folk to join his website,but i wont comment on that here.)

To lord sith,If you have a tried and tested method i would dearly love to gain that knowledge,and Im sure others would be delighted if they could benefit also.

One more thing,At various stages of my investigations into this subject,Ive noticed that a brick wall is hit,everything seems to stop.
And then something happens which raises hope again and is quite surprising.
the last such case was the birkenhead court case attempt at arresting the magistrate.

[Lord Sidious]

I have been watching the 'freeman', movement for about five years now and the variety of methods applied over the years all appear to be sound.
But I could not point anyone to a definitive successful method.
Even Robert Menard does not provide definite method and evidence of success,although his theories are amazingly sound.
I have read Mary Crofts book and listened to her podcasts/interviews,but again other than various people on t' net offering to provide the blueprint (In exchange for fiat)
there does not seem to be a tried and tested method.

One of the problems is the employees of the crown,police,court clerks,magistrates and judges are just ignoring anyone who attempts not to play the game.

There is also a young man called ben lowrey who has a website dedicated to exploring law and common law mixed with ucc and loads of other info.....he is thorough and if anyone could find the true method,i guess it would be him...but..he has not.(he charges folk to join his website,but i wont comment on that here.)

To lord sith,If you have a tried and tested method i would dearly love to gain that knowledge,and Im sure others would be delighted if they could benefit also.

One more thing,At various stages of my investigations into this subject,Ive noticed that a brick wall is hit,everything seems to stop.
And then something happens which raises hope again and is quite surprising.
the last such case was the birkenhead court case attempt at arresting the magistrate.

I am going to run through a lot of stuff, but groundwork must be done first.
I have shown friends overseas things that I have done and coached them, then let them loose.
Some of them have really hammered the system, again, we will go through that.

[the trojan]

In the uk at present there are about five main sites involved in the freeman movement
There is a huge wealth of info here
http://www.fmotl.com/forum/index.php

This is a new one,which is a breakaway of sorts from the tpuc site
http://www.thefreemanleague.com

And this is the youtube site of the boy most likely to succeed and a portal to his paysite http://www.youtube.com/user/benlowreyhimself

To lord Sith, Ben lowrey pursued the ucc vigorously,but I dont think it turned out to be the holy grail suggested by various folk,As he is still ploughing away in all and other directions.If you have not been to his site you may enjoy it.

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I have been watching the 'freeman', movement for about five years now and the variety of methods applied over the years all appear to be sound.
But I could not point anyone to a definitive successful method.
Even Robert Menard does not provide definite method and evidence of success,although his theories are amazingly sound.
I have read Mary Crofts book and listened to her podcasts/interviews,but again other than various people on t' net offering to provide the blueprint (In exchange for fiat)
there does not seem to be a tried and tested method.

One of the problems is the employees of the crown,police,court clerks,magistrates and judges are just ignoring anyone who attempts not to play the game.

There is also a young man called ben lowrey who has a website dedicated to exploring law and common law mixed with ucc and loads of other info.....he is thorough and if anyone could find the true method,i guess it would be him...but..he has not.(he charges folk to join his website,but i wont comment on that here.)

To lord sith,If you have a tried and tested method i would dearly love to gain that knowledge,and Im sure others would be delighted if they could benefit also.

One more thing,At various stages of my investigations into this subject,Ive noticed that a brick wall is hit,everything seems to stop.
And then something happens which raises hope again and is quite surprising.
the last such case was the birkenhead court case attempt at arresting the magistrate.

I am going to run through a lot of stuff, but groundwork must be done first.
I have shown friends overseas things that I have done and coached them, then let them loose.
Some of them have really hammered the system, again, we will go through that.


Good for you Lord Sith,That is a confident statement to make ...onwards and upwards! (or sideways..or..you know what I mean)
Looking forward to it.

[ktlight]

The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I am not convinced that it is a christian orientated site. My understanding is that it is a non-denominational site that accommodates all of the religious and non religious. It could be understood to be christian orientated because its intentions seem to be the fulfilment of ancient covenants, which I feel is an honourable activity.

[sllim11]

Ok avalonuggets, thanks to our admin Paul, you can now download this book, Cracking the Code 3rd edition.
Read it.
Yes, it is long, yes it is worth it and no, you aren't serious if you don't read it.
'Nuff said.

thepythoniccow.us/Cracking_The_Code.pdf

i do indeed have that book in 3D. and it is well worth the read. and time. lots of it!

[Steven]

I'm glad you post this, thanks a lot. I invite you to take a look at this link here. An old thread I made on the same topic with Veronica of the Chapman family; http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12867-Freedom-by-Veronica

This is a must read book to all interested in the concept of being a Freeman on the land; http://www.yourstrawman.com/VeronicaChapman.pdf

Namaste, Steven

[Lord Sidious]

The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I am not convinced that it is a christian orientated site. My understanding is that it is a non-denominational site that accommodates all of the religious and non religious. It could be understood to be christian orientated because its intentions seem to be the fulfilment of ancient covenants, which I feel is an honourable activity.

My fault, I explained this badly I suppose.
I try to take the honourable approach, but without the christian stuff that people throw into the mix.
I am not a christian, nor do I want anything to do with the abrahamic madness, so to do that would be double minded of me and that is dishonourable, defeating the point of the exercise.

[Gustav]

You earned you thanks again ktlight ;), I heard of a man once in the north of the USA who won a case saying that he was not to be kicked out of his house because the money the bank had loaned him was not existing. So how could he pay it back? This I was reminded of when I was reading the preface to 'cracking the code' just a minute ago. But thank you everyone on this thread. This day has just become another day of learning..

Gustav

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Jendayi,

If you need help with translating the book, send me some fragments to see if my skills are still adequate.

Gustav

[ktlight]

The last one is interesting enough Kt, but I am not so interested in the christian dogma type approach.
I could probably get Mary, she is known to people I know.

Have you looked at the methods on the site that you do not agree with of how to get off the registers, how to handle the courts?

I am not convinced that it is a christian orientated site. My understanding is that it is a non-denominational site that accommodates all of the religious and non religious. It could be understood to be christian orientated because its intentions seem to be the fulfilment of ancient covenants, which I feel is an honourable activity.

My fault, I explained this badly I suppose.
I try to take the honourable approach, but without the christian stuff that people throw into the mix.
I am not a christian, nor do I want anything to do with the abrahamic madness, so to do that would be double minded of me and that is dishonourable, defeating the point of the exercise.

Understood.

[Lord Sidious]

You earned you thanks again ktlight ;), I heard of a man once in the north of the USA who won a case saying that he was not to be kicked out of his house because the money the bank had loaned him was not existing. So how could he pay it back? This I was reminded of when I was reading the preface to 'cracking the code' just a minute ago. But thank you everyone on this thread. This day has just become another day of learning..

Gustav

=== Added ===

Jendayi,

If you need help with translating the book, send me some fragments to see if my skills are still adequate.

Gustav

I think you are talking of the ''Credit River'' case which was not only overturned on appeal, the trial judge died within 6 months I think it was, of the decision he gave!

[Gustav]

Really? The judge died... if this is the case that I was referring to, it does surprise it didn't take longer. I must admit credit river does ring a bell somewhere deep back in my brains, but I cannot confirm that it is that case. I started reading 'cracking the code' 3rd edition. I am on page 36 six of the PDF paging and have some questions that may be answered in the book or not, but my curiosity demands it ;)

1. I understand correctly that this is applicable in all countries in the world?
2. Are there people reading this who have insight in the involved paperwork in the Netherlands? Or are the actions needed to be taken according to this book also universal?
3. What happens if an institution, government, whatever kind of club does not adress you in the capital letters? Does that mean that you can't do anything because it is not your trade name?

[Lord Sidious]

Really? The judge died... if this is the case that I was referring to, it does surprise it didn't take longer. I must admit credit river does ring a bell somewhere deep back in my brains, but I cannot confirm that it is that case. I started reading 'cracking the code' 3rd edition. I am on page 36 six of the PDF paging and have some questions that may be answered in the book or not, but my curiosity demands it ;)

1. I understand correctly that this is applicable in all countries in the world?
2. Are there people reading this who have insight in the involved paperwork in the Netherlands? Or are the actions needed to be taken according to this book also universal?
3. What happens if an institution, government, whatever kind of club does not adress you in the capital letters? Does that mean that you can't do anything because it is not your trade name?

1. Yes, at least western ones.
2. I would think the paperwork should be similar.
3. The ''government'' and the corporations are all corporations, they can't address the man. The only time they can mess with you is if you mess with another man or woman.

[Gustav]

Thanks sidious. Have done some scroogle digging (amazing that it indeed displays more and different result than google on various non-mainstream topics... it seems the Netherlands are subject to the UCC through the CISG (United Nations Convention on the International Sale of Goods). But only if the following assumption is correct: the CISG is the UCC under UN flag?
Or am I taking a wrong turn here?

BTW is this material also the reason parts of the warranty disclaimers are in capital letters?

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Ok, I am doing reading and watching and I found this very interesting video of a Dutch/Indonesian/Canadian woman (Irene Gravenhorst) who has been exploring common law in practice. I added the links instead of the videos, because otherwise the page would get too filled with the videos ;)

Introduction from herself:
Choosing Freedom 1/3 intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J9gRNPWf6s)
Choosing Freedom 2/3 intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnqjnbJ6m)
Choosing Freedom 3/3 intro
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqlf0qQPoq4)

The case in practice: Encounter 1
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLFA45GW0KM)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IegV_fxKLs)

The case in practice: Encounter 2
Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOXoSmq3ZI)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxq2WPMh3Q4)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eSxizdBNG4)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QlixCmNrJI)
Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ4dDem5xTI)

The introduction is around 30 minutes in total. The rest will last also for about 30 mintes. Really inspiring, daring and a good example. Enjoy if you will, learn if you are unaware (as am I still ;))

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So... one and a half day of learning and what I have seen is amazing. It might not always have had the outcome that those people where hoping for, but the fact that they weren't dragged out of the courts by policemen without listening to them is a striking sign to me that there is something going on. I also almost finished reading cracking the code 3rd edition. Although I am not sure yet whether common law is applicable in the Netherlands I did remember a guy that was talking about this subject. I will look him up and find out more.

Avalon, once again you have ruined my weekend in the most positive way, so thank you very much.

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Ok, it is official I am nuts. I love this. Although it must yet be confirmed, the woman I mentioned earlier, she just mailed me that there would be around half a million people in total working on sovereignty and common law jurisdiction issues in holland/the netherlands. If so, or even only a portion of those people actually do, than that would be: awesome. Anyway, I feel completely energized, happy as a small child who has just found a new toy. I love this topic. Thank you again ktlight for posting this interview. wow!

[Gustav]

I thought this deserves a new post, instead of adding yet again info to my new post.

A few days ago a man in the Netherlands has been dragged from his home to a mental institution after he proclaimed himself to be a freeman. Not a very wise decision indeed for he is looking up to 6 months of 'treatment' as it stands at this moment.
The issue here is that, unless I am not aware of this, there is no common law properly claimed, no procedures followed, nothing legally applied, no attempts to gain sovereignty in court etc. Not even mentioning there is, as of today no treaty to fall back upon as the source on which this could be claimed. So, that shows there is a long way to go here..

[Lord Sidious]

I am not so interested in common law issues.
I like equity better.

[Gustav]

I am not so interested in common law issues.
I like equity better.

being a noob in the first and a total stranger to the second, what is equity? Or is it equity as it is used in the general sense for trading on the stock market?

[Lord Sidious]

I am not so interested in common law issues.
I like equity better.

being a noob in the first and a total stranger to the second, what is equity? Or is it equity as it is used in the general sense for trading on the stock market?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_(law)

[Gustav]

So, if understood correctly from the wikipedia entry, there is different jurisdiction invokable in the same courts, at least in England, and it deals with problems on the level of a sovereign and touches not even the civil system? Or is it at the basis of the civil system and therefore above it?
And furthermore, what application would you see in conjunction with being free from government that you do not consent to?

[Lord Sidious]

The jurisdiction depends on the issue and the remedy that you want.
Technically, this is a civil jurisdiction as opposed to criminal, but not civil code as you have in nuggetland.
Oops, Netherlands, netherlands, I meant netherlands.
Do you believe that? :p

[Gustav]

no.

So, civil code is not necessarily in a civil jurisdiction. Ok.
You say the jurisdiction depend on the issue and the remedy that you want. Two questions about that.
1. Is it than possible also possible to switch during a case\session in court when it suits better?
2. How similar or not is that to the claiming of common law jurisdiction versus civil jurisdiction in canada to put the one who claims this outside of the civil system?

[Lord Sidious]

no.

So, civil code is not necessarily in a civil jurisdiction. Ok.
You say the jurisdiction depend on the issue and the remedy that you want. Two questions about that.
1. Is it than possible also possible to switch during a case\session in court when it suits better?
2. How similar or not is that to the claiming of common law jurisdiction versus civil jurisdiction in canada to put the one who claims this outside of the civil system?

Civil code and civil jurisdiction are two very different things.
Civil code is also known as napoleonic code, roman code and of course civil code, it is the law as practised in europe outside of common law nations.
There are other places too, like Louisiana, which has both, as it was french.
Civil jurisdiction is the opposite to criminal in a common law country.

Yes, you can change jurisdictions with the permission of the court, if you are in the wrong one and your case has merit.
Common law is a very strict system.
Example, did you drink and drive? Yes, but my mother was having a heart attack and there was no other way to get her to hospital.
Sorry, too bad, guilty.
That is the way it was for centuries.
Equity is very different. You can make up your own remedy if none exists and any extenuating circumstances for your actions are taken into account.
You can't mix equity with criminal law, except that most criminal law today is in fact commercial.

[Gustav]

Ok, so a 'couple of days later' I'm still having loads of questions. Perhaps people here are able to answer them. But let's start with a short explanation and than the question:

The piece of land which is now called the united kingdom of the netherlands was invaded early 1790s by the prussians to temper a looming civil war in the netherlands and to protect William V. Than in 1793 the french invaded 'the netherlands' and had conquered it completely in 1795. Immediately after the Batavian Republic was established. Which became a french puppet state a few years later known as the Kingdom of Holland led by the brother of Napoleon. After the Vienna Conference of 1815 the kingdom of the netherlands was created, to be led by the House of Orange-Nassau. Before the 1790s there still was common law applicable in the Netherlands. Also during the Batavian Republic, since there was a move for centralized and/or the introduction of civil law, but it was never enacted. Than with the creation of the puppet monarchy kingdom of holland a special civil code was introduced basically the napoleonic code translated into dutch with a few amendments. Than two years later the original code napoleon was introduced. After the creation of the kingdom of the netherlands the civil code was adapted or kept, not sure about that one.
My question is this.

What would one need to establish a lawful basis to prove that common law is invocable in court today in the Netherlands? Would that be that it is provable that some of the above mentioned conquest were not lawful, transitions were not lawful, civil legislation never abandoned the lawfulness of common law? What could be focus points?

Furthermore I must say I am still confused on the whole jurisdiction issue. Not to question your way of explaining Sidious, but I just don't grasp the whole concept yet ;) For example to invoke common law jurisdiction, it is necessary that common law is applicable, right?

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Also I must say it is baffling to see the similarities between practices of government in common law and civil law countries. This tells me that there is something not correct about not having common law here and leads me to think about the possibility of common law still being in existence, although swept under the carpet quite rigid. I do not know why, though. Any thoughts on that?