Hongchi Xiao's self-healing method

[Hughe]

Have you read 'The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot?
What it says is human body have six or seven parts that each represents whole body within itself. Each part has pressure points which affect other organs - river, heart, kidney, and etc. Applying acupuncture selectively on the points to cure illness is the essence of the acupuncture.

Oriental Martials Arts uses the pressure points for defeating opponents.

Some meditation techniques uses mind to send life energy to these points for healing, and the Charkras can be understood of the collectors of many channels that connect the pressure points.

Hongchi Xiao skipped the explanation above facts and just showed quick self-healing techniques that everybody can use. It definitely makes sense. Some of meditation centers do those types of stuff: stretching, petting body parts before and after the session.
Hongchi Xiao nailed on why it heals body.

I agree with Hongchi's approach. There has to be simple/effective method of healing human body. Don't have to meditate or practice endless hours for achieving or maintaining optimum health. The specialists, and masters do not like these unorthodox method.

The three pictures of pressure points written for Korean. I've not found good images for English yet. I'm lazy. If you want to English version, I'll edit the images and load again.

Good intention, stretching and petting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColmTrUsFXI&feature=related

PS:
To moderator,
if there is another thread of Hongchi Xiao, please merge it.

[conk]

Thanks! I have this book, but have not gotten around to reading it. Thanks for the reminder!

[Eram]

Dear Avalon,

Many of you must have seen this video, but I imagine few of you ever tried his method and even less of you more then a few times.

This guy invented a simple method that takes you only about 10 minutes a day in which you bring your body in harmony with nature. This is how the body is supposed to be.
It is supposed to heal the body from lots of diseases and makes the body feel healthy and very vital.

Hongchi Xiao shows a way of slapping yourself on several pressure points on your body. It hurts a little, but it gives very powerful results.
I've done it mostly on my left inside of the arm (this is for the heart and lungs mostly), because my heart has been closed for many many years.
I was very afraid of the world and the people in it. I was afraid of life and to act in it.
Over time, my heart closed up more and more.

So I tried this method one time, on the left inside of the arm for ten minutes. You are supposed to do this only the first time, to open everything up. All the days after that it only requires 1 minute per pressure point.
That first day I didn't notice any particular thing. The next day however I was in the garden and suddenly I begin to feel very good, especially around the heart area.
I felt confident and strong in the heart, almost as after a few drinks of alcohol would do, but more pure, more soft. I felt love for everything, but not in a extacy way, just, I don't know. I also felt warmth in the chest area like there was a cup of warm water poured out there.
So I thought to myself: "Wait a minute, what is happening here." And then I remembered the slapping and thought: "well maybe there is a connection"
2 weeks later I did it again and the same thing happened all over. That time too I was connecting it to the slapping after I felt the opening of the heart. "reversed proof"
Even then I was lazy and it wasn't for about a week later that I did it again and the very same thing happened.
So the last 2 weeks I started doing it on a regular bases, almost daily and now I feel that the effects are coming almost instantaneous. I slap myself and 30 seconds after, I start feeling my heart opening up.
I extended the slapping to my right arm also (no idea what organs those are connected with) and when I do that my feet and hands get warm real easy when I do something physically.
Overall, after doing this for 2 weeks now, I start feeling like a different person. it's hart to describe how exactly, but it feels very good.

I haven't been able to find something else about this guy in English. Maybe there is a Chinese person who can get more information about this method, because in China this is a big hit. You can see films on youtube, were people slap each other till it almost bleeds. The Chinese are a bit fanatic in this way ;)

I can sincerely recommend this to everyone.
It's a bit weird to slap yourself in order to get healthy and fit, but it works. It works like a charm.

The explanation of what to do begins after about 19 minutes

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here 3 more films, but in Chinese

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This video here is just crazy. Makes me wonder about the Chinese :help:

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[Earth Angel]

Wow! thank you so much for posting this........I have just watched the first one and am very intrigued......I will try his funny door stretching technique to see if that helps my back pain........
this also seems to tie in with EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique)....tapping the meridian points.......somewhat less painful maybe!

definitely might want one of those slappers!! :hand::Cry::gaah:

[Star Tsar]

Top Thread!

[Hervé]

Ha-hahhh!

So, that's what self inflicted flagellation was all about...


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation):


Some members of strict monastic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic) orders, and some members of the lay organization Opus Dei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_Dei), practice mild self-flagellation using an instrument called a "discipline", a cattail whip usually made of knotted cords, which is flung over the shoulders repeatedly during private prayer.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagellation#cite_note-11) The practice has become rare within the Catholic Church, particularly as rigorism is rejected.


Ecstatics and Mystics
Because practices such as starvation, sleep denial and flagellation are known to induce altered states, flagellation may be used by religious ecstatics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstatic) and mystics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysticism) as part of ritualistic practices or ceremonies to achieve unusual states of mind.

Altered and perverted by the PTB of those times... as usual.

[jorr lundstrom]

Thank you. Fascinating man.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[WhiteFeather]

Bookmarking this badboy. Wanishi.

[sandy]

Thanks Wakytweaky,

I am going to give it a try :)

[Fundy Gemini]

Wowwwwwww!
Thank you for this oost, I have never heard of either of these!

Ouch! I could barely finish watching that last one, would love to have seen what benefit he got from that (looked like torture. ..lol) I think I'll try the stretching and maybe build up tolerance to a bit of slapping over time (or....not...geeeeze it looks sore) :-)

[G.Deluca]

thank you for the info,i'll try it and see how it goes
i just tried on my arms and knees ,on my arms i feel hot,on my knees very cold,is it like this for you too?

[schneider]

thanks for the videos. i tried the slapping technique last nite and it felt awesome. it is very stimulating to the body, makes you vibrate.

[Nortreb]

Top Thread!

I second that!

Thanks

[Earth Angel]

I did a search and couldn't find his book on Amazon.......would like to learn more, in English ;)

[minkton]

This is about breaking up stagnant chi and stimulating the channels. It's a classic warm up for qigong.

[Eram]

Thank you all for your reactions.

I wasn't sure about posting this thread because I feel a bit silly with the slapping etc. , but fortunately a lot of people dig it.

I would like to make an adjustment to my description about opening of the heart.:
The feeling that I experience for the heart area is somewhat different maybe then I described. It's hard for me to describe it somehow.
I've done several mediations and other exercises for healing the heart and none of them worked like this one (for me).
What this does for me, is that I get a real solid connection with my heart. It is not so much that the heart opens up like when you experience unconditional love or when you are in a state of total forgiveness (It does this to a certain extend), but your heart area and the rest of my body feels very much alive. It enables me to get much more connected with the people around me. Sometimes I feel a little bit distanced to my kids and other people who are close to me and this helps me to cure this big time.

So this method is for many other things other then the heart, but this is the area were I feel the most difficulties with.

It's important to understand that this method is really to get the body healthy on a physical level and I'm talking mostly on a non physical level, but I'm sure this cures the physical body as well.

I'd like to mention that the effects of the exercises remain active for the bigger part of the day.

If you want to do a short test to get proof of the working of this, He speaks of a exercise of slapping the outside parts of your hands an wrists for some minutes.
People who suffer from constipation will learn that they make a visit to the toilet and everything will go easy :rolleyes:


schneider

Re: Amazing self healing method from Hongchi Xiao
thanks for the videos. i tried the slapping technique last nite and it felt awesome. it is very stimulating to the body, makes you vibrate.



I think I couldn't give a better description

I made contact with a Chinese person here who hopefully will be able to give us some more info on this method.

[Nenuphar]

Thank you for posting these videos - very interesting information! I would like to learn more, as well.

I tried the technique last night. It felt fantastic on my wrists, knees, and back of the legs. The lung & heart meridians on the inside on my arms, though - whoa! It stung like mad and very quickly, I ended up with pin-pricks of blood to the surface, which was a little worrisome! *L* Did anyone else have this happen? Or maybe I should ask if anyone did NOT have that happen on the insides of the arms.

Definitely got some chi moving - I was buzzing for the rest of the evening!

[minkton]

You all might be interested in Gua Sha. Nenuphar, have a google of it and it will explain something to you about stagnation of chi and surface reactions.

[Russ1959]

Great thread WakeyTweaky so bump bump bump!

Or should that be Slap Slap Slap!

Russ

[G.Deluca]

You all might be interested in Gua Sha. Nenuphar, have a google of it and it will explain something to you about stagnation of chi and surface reactions.

those red marks reminds me of a similar technique my grandmother used,but she used a glass, a match to take away the air and something else inside, i don't remember what

[cayman]

Wakytweaky, as request:
萧宏慈 Hongchi Xiao

his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/yixingtx
his website: http://www.xiaohongci.com/
his BIO: http://baike.baidu.com/view/2230012.htm

In China, within my knowledge, There are at least thousands of talent people with thousands more different methods like this guy, or even better. In this alternative medicine realm, he is not famous and relatively new(According to his BIO). So I suggest you do it with discretion.
According to his BIO, his previous occupation was investment banker with an MBA degree from some American college, so I would say, for someone at his age(middle-age) in China, he is pretty smart at least.

[Cjay]

Wakytweaky, thanks for reminding me of Hongchi Xiao's pressure-point slapping technique. Of course, it is important to know where to slap and where not to slap.

[Hermeticus]

I'm going to opt out of the big red welts on my body, but otherwise, I am trying this over time to see if I feel any benefit from it. The Chinese are crazy in a quiet, useful sort of way.

[minkton]

You all might be interested in Gua Sha. Nenuphar, have a google of it and it will explain something to you about stagnation of chi and surface reactions.

those red marks reminds me of a similar technique my grandmother used,but she used a glass, a match to take away the air and something else inside, i don't remember what

Yes! That's called 'cupping'. It's the same principle. You got it. Drawing stagnant chi to the surface, and burning it off. Cupping is a relative of using moxa, in acupuncture.

[Earth Angel]

All in Chinese.......can't find anything on him in English


Wakytweaky, as request:
萧宏慈 Hongchi Xiao

his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/yixingtx
his website: http://www.xiaohongci.com/
his BIO: http://baike.baidu.com/view/2230012.htm

In China, within my knowledge, There are at least thousands of talent people with thousands more different methods like this guy, or even better. In this alternative medicine realm, he is not famous and relatively new(According to his BIO). So I suggest you do it with discretion.
According to his BIO, his previous occupation was investment banker with an MBA degree from some American college, so I would say, for someone at his age(middle-age) in China, he is pretty smart at least.

[pixiestix]

Thanks for this great post Wakytweaky!
I have never heard of this self healing method. Did the arm wacking this am and felt tingly all over. This was after only 3 minutes (all I could muster). Looking forward to the postive results. We are so fortunate to have this PA forum. What a great group.

[Cilka]

There seems to be something to this, I cannot wait to try it, I like to use myself as my own guinea pig. When you visit a real Eauropean spa, in Russia or Hungary, their treatments are not used to put you to sleep like they do here in North America. They actually slap the hell out of you there with these brunches, usually the spa treatment ladies or guys are older and fatter and stronger, they look like big mammas and papas, and they mean business, not like here the spa professionals look like they just stepped out of a magazine. The force that is applied through these brunches onto the skin supposes to bring blood flow to those areas of the body that are diseased, so that the body can start healing. Saunas are also used to sweat out the toxins, and a nice relaxing dip in cold water is also included. I think that I would be dead by then.

[Earth Angel]

thanks Cilka, you make me laugh :laugh:

[PathWalker]

Amazing stuff I am in awe and very grateful.

I found this article describing and explaining in writing the content of the video above (quite long (http://yamayamas.com/tao/)) http://goodguy.hubpages.com/hub/Self-healing-techniques. Written about this teacher.

Note that he pissed some high ass and was fined for healing claims, in Taiwan a year ago, read here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/taiwan-kicks-out-chinese-writer-over-slapping-cure-2268808.html

[Earth Angel]

great articles PathWalker, thank you........finally something in English I can pass along to family



Amazing stuff I am in awe and very grateful.

I found this article describing and explaining in writing the content of the video above (quite long (http://yamayamas.com/tao/)) http://goodguy.hubpages.com/hub/Self-healing-techniques. Written about this teacher.

Note that he pissed some high ass and was deported from Taiwan a year ago, read here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/taiwan-kicks-out-chinese-writer-over-slapping-cure-2268808.html

I love this quote from Master Xiao


Frequency of practice

As for how often we need to practise this therapy, Master Xiao has this to say,

"If you want more health benefits, practise more often,

If you want less health benefits, practise less often,

If you don't want any health benefit, then don't do it."

[Eram]

Amazing stuff I am in awe and very grateful.

I found this article describing and explaining in writing the content of the video above (quite long (http://yamayamas.com/tao/)) http://goodguy.hubpages.com/hub/Self-healing-techniques. Written about this teacher.

Note that he pissed some high ass and was deported from Taiwan a year ago, read here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/taiwan-kicks-out-chinese-writer-over-slapping-cure-2268808.html

is there a button for 'SUPER useful post' ?

[PathWalker]

Specific instruction with diagnostics and timing
From here: http://chiaweb.com/drug-free-health-alternetive-remedies/good-stuff-on-health/self-healing-therapy/pai-da-therapy/

I find it important to copy it here in order to keep a backup.


Pai-Da Therapy (http://chiaweb.com/drug-free-health-alternetive-remedies/good-stuff-on-health/self-healing-therapy/pai-da-therapy/)

Terminulogy

Pai: Patting
Da: Slapping
Pai-Da: A Chinese Medical method which utilize patting and slapping of external skin areas to draw out and eliminate poisonous waste in body and restore health by facilitating the smooth flow of Qi throughout the meridians?
Sha: poisonous blood

The principles of Pai-Da

Pai-Da = Elimination of toxicant = Elimination of the poisonous waste in body
Skin is closely related to the meridians, our limbs, five viscera, six entrails and nine apertures (including the eyes, ears, nostrils, mouth, urethra and anus).

Pai-Da will launch one’s faith and mental forces, and will stimulate relevant meridians to dredge the Qi. The running Qi will in turn bring out the running of blood. The unobstructed meridians could cure diseases.

The patted and slapped parts on the body will automatically gather Qi and blood, and then accelerate the circulation. As sweepers, the intensified Qi could scan the body and dredge the obstructed meridians. As a result, the body waste, illnesses and even tumors will be cleared.

Viewing from the perspective of the western medicine, Pai-Da is a positive-breaking therapy which will stimulate the central nervous system. Therefore, the inner body systems could be activated and help repair the damaged parts, and finally improve the immunity function of human body.

Order of Pai-Da

Generally speaking, there is an up-down turn as fullows:

(Step 1) Pat the head
Pat the top of the head with both hands
Pat the sides of the head with both hands
Pat the back of the head with both hands
Pat the back of the head with one hand (one hand is more convenient, and could nicely cover the head)

(Step 2) Slap the back of the shoulder
Pat the right side with left hand, and the left side with the right hand; remember to pat all sides of the shoulder.

(Step 3) Slap both armpits and the inner sides of the shoulder
Patients with cardiac diseases, lung diseases and breast diseases should do this step more.

(Step 4)? Slap the inner sides of the elbow joints
Including all meridians of the inner sides which include the heart-channel of the inner sides and the lung-channel and the large intestine channel at the rims of the outer sides, as well as the pericardium channel in the middle.

(Step 5) Slap the knees
Pat the fronts of the knees with both hand and make sure that the knee is covered by the whule palm; pat the inner sides, outer sides and the popliteal spaces.

This step could be applied to cure all foot and leg diseases. La-Jin as supplement will bring better results.

(Step 6) Slap the feet
Pat the arches, insteps and the ankles with power. This step can not only cure the foot diseases, but also bring good curative effects for all internal organ diseases.

(Step 7) Slap any body-parts according to the need
After all the six steps above, you may pat any body-parts according to your illness.

What if there is no enough time?? Pat the fullowing important parts.? For most chronic and acute diseases, the elbows, knees, groins and feet are the focus, because these parts have the most toxins, and are the concentrated areas of meridians, blood vessels, nerves and lymph.

How to Pai-Da in a proper way?

Pat and slap attentively
Concentration and faith will increase the positive energy in your body. Distracting thoughts could bring negative effects.

Patand slap with power, as long as you can endure the pain
It might hurt in the first, but the feeling will be eased after about two minutes.
If you feel the pain of slapping, that means you are on the right way. The pain will eliminate the illness.

Pat and slap with your thought
When slapping the skin, you can imagine that you are injecting fresh Qi into the body and bringing out the turbid Qi out.

Use your palms and fingers in a proper way
When slapping a larger area such as the front of the knees, use both palm and fingers; if the area is relatively small, such as the popliteal space, you could mainly use the fingers with agile movement of the wrist.

Better recite or chant scriptures when slapping
Reciting scriptures will bring a better result; you may choose your favorite scriptures.

The time length of Pai-Da, the frequency of Pai-Da
Pai-Da can be done at any time in a day. You can form a habit of Pai-Da and pat in the morning and at night or you can do this in the morning, afternoon and at night.

For healthy people, you can pat the head, shoulders, armpits, elbows and knees for one to five minutes each time. You should at least do this once or twice a day.

For sub-health cases, besides slapping the parts mentioned above, you can pat the nidus for a longer time. Generally the time length should be between five to thirty minutes for once or twice a day. You can also pat more times each day.

For those who feel under the weather or have obvious nidus should rash-pat the nidus for at least half an hour each time. For example, those who suffer from knee pains, frozen shoulder, cervical spondylosis, headache and insomnia can rash-pat the knees and elbows more frequently for at least once or twice a day.

For those who suffer from serious illnesses, such as people who are unable to lift the shoulders or walk, or suffer from psoriasis, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes or cancer should rash-pat top-down from the head to the feet with the focus on the elbows, knees, feet and the nidus for at least one hour and at least three times a day. And the time length of each Pai-Da should be reduced as the disease remises.

After several times of Pai-Da, it is not as easy to have Sha as before but if you continue Pai-Da it can promotes blood circulation, keep you fit and even treat the disease.

The time length and frequency of Pai-Da varies according to individuals. Whether there is Sha or not after Pai-Da, it can be applied everyday to both the sick and the health.

One Pai-Da can also be divided into several times with each time focuses on one certain part of the body.

How to tell the health situation from the culor of the sha?

Sha, i.e. poisonous blood, is the culorful thing on the skin after Pai-Da. If you Pai-Da the healthy parts of the body with the same amount of force, there won’t be Sha; otherwise the unhealthy body will show symptoms on the skin after Pai-Da.

Sha reflects the illness of the body; otherwise the skin won’t have Sha appearing after Pai-Da. More Sha means more serious of the disease.

The darker the culor of the Sha, the more poison, culdness, heat and other pathogenic factors are in the body.

Rubeosis: healthy; normal
Red: wind-heat; usually can be found with the sub-health group
Purple red: stasis-heat and it is prone to feel pain???
Cyan: phlegm-dampness and it is prone to feel tired
Purple black: stasis; shows the patient suffers from a large accumulation of body endotoxin and microcirculatory disturbance
Black: shows the patient suffers from chronic disease and has been taking medication for a long time.

According to the position of the Sha, one can tell the illness or the potential illness of the corresponding organs and the Sha itself also shows the body has started the reduction body endotoxin and the treatment.

The Sha will come out within a minute after the Pai-Da with those who suffer from clogging blood circulation and their Sha comes faster and the culor of the Sha is darker than usual.

Some people will have red Sha first and if keep Pai-Da the culor will turn dark purple or even dark masses.

Some people won’t have Sha until several times’ Pai-Da, which means their fever lies deeper and it can only be scraped away gradually and it also means the body endotoxin is being reduced.

Some people will have Sha the first time they have Pai-Da and don’t have Sha afterwards and may have Sha again later, which means their body situation and mood are undergoing some changes.

Cautions

1. Take shelter from the wind when slapping
Air-conditioner and electric fan should be turned off because the pores will open during La-Jin which might make you catch culd
2. Drink enough water after Pai-Da
Drinking a cup of water before and after Pai-Da could supply the consumed water during the exercise. It will also prevent fatigue and accelerate metabulism.
3. Bathing after Pai-Da
Take bath three hours after Pai-Da with warm water.
4. Treat skin diseases with Pai-Da
Use all fingers and the whule palm when slapping a large area of skin, such as the front of the knees. For skin diseases like psoriasis, pat with power for longer time.
Do not use Pai-Da to treat trauma or festering wounds.
5. Treat diabetes mellitus, varicosity and edema of the lower limbs
For patients of diabetes mellitus, slapping should be light and slow because their skin and vessels are weak and fragile. For patients with varicosity and edema of the lower limbs, it is better for them to pat from the bottom to top gently, so as to accelerate the blood circulation.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This reminds me of all the Catholic saints who said self-flagellation was a way of creating an ecstatic union with god. Prima facie, it feels counter-intuitive to say the way to health is to have yourself beaten up though XD

[yuhui]

Wakytweaky, as request:
萧宏慈 Hongchi Xiao

his blog: http://blog.sina.com.cn/yixingtx
his website: http://www.xiaohongci.com/
his BIO: http://baike.baidu.com/view/2230012.htm

In China, within my knowledge, There are at least thousands of talent people with thousands more different methods like this guy, or even better. In this alternative medicine realm, he is not famous and relatively new(According to his BIO). So I suggest you do it with discretion.
According to his BIO, his previous occupation was investment banker with an MBA degree from some American college, so I would say, for someone at his age(middle-age) in China, he is pretty smart at least.


I agree~ He was penalized for advertising in Taiwan. Because it's forbidden to claim that traditional methods are effective there. And I totally agree with that policy.
The thing is, traditional methods are a part of big ancient medicine and methodological system that has been obscured since the "modernisation“. So maybe some methods he used and adopted have positive work on someone, it does not mean it's useful for everyone.

[transiten]

Thanks! I will surely watch and try this, i'm not going to slap very hard though:doh: Seems to come in the right moment for me since i'm slowly recovering from an eight month Lymedisease that was diagnosed only 5 days ago. I take both homeopatics and antibiotics but the latter is not necessary my homeopath told me. See my latest posts in the "Here and Now thread" for more info about how to treat late stage Lymedisease.

[transiten]

Thanks! I will surely watch and try this, i'm not going to slap very hard though:doh: Seems to come in the right moment for me since i'm slowly recovering from an eight month Lymedisease that was diagnosed only 5 days ago. I take both homeopatics and antibiotics. See my latest posts in the "Here and Now thread" for more info about how to treat late stage Lymedisease.

And of course i somehow question I could "Slap away Lymedisease". My Chinese acupuncturist could not heal me from it, only help to support my immunesystem and he couldn't diagnose it from my description of my symptoms. I had no ring from the bite, i called my homeopath from the Western doc:s waitingroom who prescribed Sanukehl Brucel D6 that made the ring appear 7 months after the bite and i had the diagnosis from a western MD.

[transiten]

:pound:Well i'm laughing my butts off for the first time in months and i really feel a connection to my body while slappping "Here and There and Everywhere" (this Beatles tune has been nominated the 4:th best song ever written) that i've lost during my Lymedisease illness. Feels great. Thanks a lot Wakytweaky!

:confused:Why did i post 2 new answers instead of editing the 1:st one:confused: Never happened before and i just realized it waking up ½an hour ago...Blame it on the Lymedisesase, on the other hand i didn't take any calming pill last night...might it be because of the slapping:pound: Some grim humour here, i'm not as well as i pretend...

[M6*]

Ok Wakytweaky.....I'm IN!!
I just finished watching all three of these links and we will see how it goes!;-(
Do need a slapper though. Thanks so much for the post! M6*

[M6*]

It seems to me that Anthony Quinn was in a great movie with a Greek theme years ago.
I don't really remember name of the move, or the story line ....just how great he was in
the role.... and there was a scene in there with an older lady and it was about the cupping technique. M6*

[bearcow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjZt4wUKKk&feature=related

along the same lines

[Eram]

I'd like to tell you all how my experience with this Pai Da has been after close to 2 months.
I do the slapping mostly on the inner side of the elbows, knees and feet, sometimes on the head.

I've practised it almost every day in this period and there are a few things that might be called remarkable:
* My right knee has been struck by an rheumatic Arthritis of some kind a little over 1,5 years ago and the inflammation lasted over 5 months eating lots of the soft tissues in the knee away.
The healing of this was progressing very slowly and I was beginning to think it might never come to the point where I could play soccer with my oldest of 4 years. Now after 1,5 month of Pai Da, My knee is getting stronger fast. There is a great difference in what I can do now and 1,5 month ago. It's like half of the healing has occurred during the year following after the inflammation ended and half in the Pai Da period of 1,5 month.
* I have many symptoms of PTSD. I never had it diagnosed but I'm quite sure I have it, because all the symptoms apply to me.
I've had a high heart rate from late in my teen years. It's always above 90 and mostly above 100 a minute.
I always felt speedy or, at war in a way for more then 20 years inside, also when you're supposed to feel relaxed while hanging on the couch or something similar.
After doing this Pai Da for little over 2 weeks, I started noticing something awesome. Small periods of 'feeling in the eye of a storm' appeared to me, wherein I felt so relaxed and so at peace...
I wondered and started to check my heart rate also and it was dropping. really....
I measured it at 80-85 a lot of times, but after a week it dropped in many readings to 70 or lower even.
Now, my heart rate is at 60 when I wake up or in deep rest.
Can you believe it? I've had a high heart rate for more then 20 years, and now it suddenly drops to what it should be in a few weeks time?

When you think about it, it makes sense.
The Pai Da is supposed to bring harmony to the body, and on a physical level PTSD is a hormone imbalance.

My PTSD symptoms haven't disappeared fully, but lately I experience lots of periods where they are gone or almost gone.

I'm very interested to know if there are people who have been doing this to some extend over the past month and would like their experiences here too.

plz... share with us :)

[NancyV]

I only tried it once after watching the videos. I guess I got overly enthusiastic with the slapping and ended up with black and blue bruises in many places on my arms and legs mostly.

When my husband saw my bruises he asked what the heck I had been doing and I told him it was a form of healing by slapping yourself. Then I started showing him by slapping on myself and he said...."So...let me get this straight...you're healing by slapping yourself until you're black and blue??" Then he laughed for really a LONG time! What the heck, I guess it WAS funny so I laughed too.

The bruises lasted for several days to a week. I think I'll stick with tapping type massages such as Do-In, which is a Chinese self massage, or a pressure massage like Shiatsu. The slapping felt really good but I'm bruising way too easily. I hope you have continued benefits from the slapping!

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi,

Thanks for this thread :)

I'm giving it a try!

I've slapped the inner of the elbows for ten minutes, not too hard, and now I look like a drug addict :biggrin:

Reading the diagnosis post above with regards to the colors of the "Sha" (the colored spots that show up under the tapping) it seems to indicate I have a lot of toxins in the body :)

Initially I had though this Sha will show up everywhere, because is a "natural response" of the skin, but that is not the case... Most noticeable one is on the left arm.. the others are much smaller and with less strong colors, even though I think I've used the same "slapping pressure" and definitely the same amount of time, i.e. 10 minutes.

So now waiting to the "bad Qi" to get out an the good Qi to get restored :biggring:. I'll try to report back on my experience.

PS: I did not find any reference that you should do it for 10 minutes the first time and then daily for one minute (other than the OP).

Again, thanks for this thread.. anything that is self-empowering is highly appreciated!

[Eram]

Hi,

Thanks for this thread :)

I'm giving it a try!

I've slapped the inner of the elbows for ten minutes, not too hard, and now I look like a drug addict :biggrin:

Reading the diagnosis post above with regards to the colors of the "Sha" (the colored spots that show up under the tapping) it seems to indicate I have a lot of toxins in the body :)

Initially I had though this Sha will show up everywhere, because is a "natural response" of the skin, but that is not the case... Most noticeable one is on the left arm.. the others are much smaller and with less strong colors, even though I think I've used the same "slapping pressure" and definitely the same amount of time, i.e. 10 minutes.

So now waiting to the "bad Qi" to get out an the good Qi to get restored :biggring:. I'll try to report back on my experience.

PS: I did not find any reference that you should do it for 10 minutes the first time and then daily for one minute (other than the OP).

Again, thanks for this thread.. anything that is self-empowering is highly appreciated!

Hi Ilie,

I'm still doing it almost every day and am content with the results it's giving me.
I cannot say that it heals the body of everything, but it sure does add to the overall 'feeling fit'.
It did help me to heal my knee faster though and still does.
Another thing is that there is something about the energy flow in my legs that is not how it is supposed to be. Every time after the slapping on knees and ankles, I feel that the flow of energy there is much better.

The 10 minutes where mentioned in the interview video with Hongchi Xiao if I'm not mistaken.

Good luck and I look forward to hear about your findings.

ps: I'm building up steam for the liver flush ;)

[Eram]

I only tried it once after watching the videos. I guess I got overly enthusiastic with the slapping and ended up with black and blue bruises in many places on my arms and legs mostly.

When my husband saw my bruises he asked what the heck I had been doing and I told him it was a form of healing by slapping yourself. Then I started showing him by slapping on myself and he said...."So...let me get this straight...you're healing by slapping yourself until you're black and blue??" Then he laughed for really a LONG time! What the heck, I guess it WAS funny so I laughed too.

The bruises lasted for several days to a week. I think I'll stick with tapping type massages such as Do-In, which is a Chinese self massage, or a pressure massage like Shiatsu. The slapping felt really good but I'm bruising way too easily. I hope you have continued benefits from the slapping!

HI NancyV,

Did you recover from the bruising completely?? :behindsofa:
It gave me a good laugh too, to be honest.

My girlfriend bruises very easy too, so I know what you are talking about.
She can't even wrestle with our kids without getting black and blue.
Weird thing was... when she was giving birth to our youngest... she wanted me to pinch her hand really hard to get some relief of the cramps and I was afraid of the black spots they would create on her hands and arms... next day.... nothing, nada... no bruising and I squeezed her to the point of breaking bones(at her request).

[Swan]

My girlfriend bruises very easy too, so I know what you are talking about.
She can't even wrestle with our kids without getting black and blue.
Weird thing was... when she was giving birth to our youngest... she wanted me to pinch her hand really hard to get some relief of the cramps and I was afraid of the black spots they would create on her hands and arms... next day.... nothing, nada... no bruising and I squeezed her to the point of breaking bones(at her request).

I did give this a try, but the bruises.....decided black and blue arms weren´t worth it. It really looked awful.

Waky - I bruise easily too. Ánd, when giving birth my partner squeezed the spot between my thumb and forefinger VERY hard. Helped with the pain, and NO bruise!

[9eagle9]

You don't have to slap, sufficient firm pressure over an extended period of time will have the same effect without drawing up welts

Or tap first, firm pressure afterwards.

Don't do anything to yourself that you would find hard doing to someone else.

Simply touching a area that is stagnant with dense energy is enough to raise red marks on the skin particularly if someone has an attachment there.

[Earth Angel]

so the slapping which brings up bruises shows you that something is wrong and the continued slapping is releasing the bad 'chi' that is causing this health issue so that's the treatment too?

[Ilie Pandia]

Update report.

I've waited until today for my bruises (sha) to heal. I did not experience any noticeable health benefits (but I do not conclude yet that they did not happen).

So today I did it again, and the bruises (sha) are barely noticeable!! So that's interesting.... the first time I had to slap softer and softer for fear I might start bleeding. It did not hurt but the bruises looked pretty bad. I hope some "chi balancing" has occurred and the body is better :)

If the bruises diminish every time then I feel encouraged to do this more often.

[9eagle9]

I have often wondered if I could get others to drink Drano cocktails and now I see that I could. People would actually drink Drano if I convinced them of the health benefits of it, even though it causes OBVIOUS harm to the body.

Bottoms up. And give it a good smack while you're at it.

[Ilie Pandia]

If it causes obvious harm I fail to see that :)

And there are quite a few successful health supporting practices that seems to cause harm at first.

[9eagle9]

You can defend it as much as you want but I'm not in the least shocked that self abuse is now considered a healing modality.

[Eram]

You can defend it as much as you want but I'm not in the least shocked that self abuse is now considered a healing modality.

Hi 9eagle9,

Are you talking out of experience or are you talking your beliefs here?

I can imagine that some videos in my first post can lead you to believe that this is self abuse and unhealthy for the body, but my experiences tell me different.

I suffer from rheumatoid arthritis in my right knee and haven't been able to walk on it properly for more then 1,5 year. It was only after I started to use this 'pai da' that my knee got stronger real fast so that I now can even run with it.
This is my experience.

The slapping looks a bit hurtful yes... but one surely doesn't have to slap as hard as some people do in the vids I provided.
Slapping the skin with branches or hands has been used many centuries in sauna's and massage rituals and techniques and there should be many evidence to be found that this is good for the body and health system.

Why don't you tell us more about the pressure techniques that you wrote about in post #45? That would be interesting to me.
I might even try it and then I can tell from experience if that technique does any good or not.

[9eagle9]

Experience. Not garnered through videos, but understanding of how psychology, the mind and the body effect each other. This a method of release that the western mind was first exposed to when they needed something nasty to get people to confess during the Burning Times.

Are you willing to stand around and let me slap the piss out of you to the point of bruising to demonstrate my point?

But its okay if you do it to yourself.

The ptb doesn't have to abuse you anymore; you will do it yourself. More self policing. It is completely unnecessary, and could , and this would be the least of my concerns cause cellulitis.

If people can't see the programming in this 'modality' I personally feel as if everyone should just continue slapping themselves.

I have written until my eyes are crossed about damage free ways to release density, why would I even have to mention it for the 1,000th time here. If people didn't get it the first 900 times I've mentioned it I know they won't get it here.

Carry on.

Make a fist next time.



You can defend it as much as you want but I'm not in the least shocked that self abuse is now considered a healing modality.

Hi 9eagle9,

Are you talking out of experience or are you talking your beliefs here?

I can imagine that some videos in my first post can lead you to believe that this is self abuse and unhealthy for the body, but my experiences tell me different.

I suffer from rheumatoid arthritis in my right knee and haven't been able to walk on it properly for more then 1,5 year. It was only after I started to use this 'pai da' that my knee got stronger real fast so that I now can even run with it.
This is my experience.

The slapping looks a bit hurtful yes... but one surely doesn't have to slap as hard as some people do in the vids I provided.
Slapping the skin with branches or hands has been used many centuries in sauna's and massage rituals and techniques and there should be many evidence to be found that this is good for the body and health system.

Why don't you tell us more about the pressure techniques that you wrote about in post #45? That would be interesting to me.
I might even try it and then I can tell from experience if that technique does any good or not.

[M6*]

I think you are talking about something called cupping. I saw this in an Anthony Quinn movie years ago. M6*

[Eram]

Well,

Since my experiences tell me something different then your assumptions and beliefs about this (because that's what they are), I know what road I will stick to.

The invitation to tell us more about the pressure techniques still stands.

[9eagle9]

Do you understand the difference between beliefs and experience?

Eating MacDonalds feels good too,...at first. having your ego stroked seems to have some beneficial effect ....at first. Having a vaccine seems like a good idea...at first. Taking antibiotics seems to have some beneficial effect...at first. Some arsehole convinced me at one time that massage was supposed to hurt. Until someone with some experience clued me in otherwise.

Until you realize really what is going on. ...which inevitably shows up later on down the road, or is it busily at work at some unconscious portion of yourself...now. The ptb would love to find a way to confuse physical healing with spiritual healing and it didn't take long for people to jump on the band wagon.

Of course I understand that people who have decades of healing experience and experiences must defer to the opinions of someone who has watched a video and magicakally absorbed all levels of knowledge concerning how our bodies, physical and non physical relate to each other during the disclosure of that video because they were set up on a psychological level , to experience exactly what the video told them to experience. Your benefit is a psychologocial mind **** and it ran off a previously installed program tied into your emotional centers. Having rid myself of that installation I can observe pretty clearly what is going on here from a cultural level to a psychological level. It makes perfect sense....it reinforces a program.

Nor do I want to not to mention the program wouldn't allow for it. But for those who understand that raising bruises on themselves is one step removed from cutting they will appreciate what I have to say.

Why doesn't this guru just come out and tell you all this is the same function as 'cutting'. What I don't understand is how my 16 year old daughter spotted right off the bat what this **** is about . 16 years old. Why? Why does a 16 year old see what grown adults can't see.

Back trailing this program leads me to a number of groups the most well known is ...Opus Dei. Gee it must be a good thing if they are involved in it!

I see this in horses that crib, that breaks down their respiratory function even as it makes them feel good and releases tension. Male horses thump their penises against their belly because it feels good no matter that it inflames their uretha and causes urinary issues later on down the road...they have an excuse as not being quite aware of what they are doing to themselves,.....

You have not rid yourself of enough of your own belief systems to undertake this without having detrimental effect.

Like a penis thumping gelding or a cribbing horse...you will eventually arrive at the point where you won't be able to Not slap yourself. Then go to MacDonalads, get a vaccine, swallow a few pills from Big Pharma and just get all the way back on the band wagon .

I personally don't mind that you do this, it solves all sorts of moral quandaries about population control that I have been wrestling with for years.




Well,

Since my experiences tell me something different then your assumptions and beliefs about this (because that's what they are), I know what road I will stick to.

It is my greatest desire you stick to this road. It solves all sorts of moral quandries for me.


The invitation to tell us more about the pressure techniques still stands.

[9eagle9]

As I suspected this is a program that is DNA resonant. Those who have ancestors who generationally came from religions that were into self flagellation are going to be most prone to getting sucked into this ****. Those who were previously Catholics or forms of Christianity that venerated self flagellation will be most susceptible to this ****. Or any other religion or genetic culture and or race that revers or had self flagellation and abuse as part of their paradigm. A way to activate an old belief by giving it a new label. It's godly to self abuse yourself.


If the name of the modality doesn't clue you in first....Xiao means filial piety.

Function: Feeding parasitical energies.

Hong means fragrant. Chi means what its always meant. They have convinced people to use their own life force energy to reactivate these old self abusive programs and make it smell nice as well.

How easily and insidiously they master your psyche.

YOU DIDN"T EVEN CHECK TO FIND OUT what the name of the modality meant!!!!

[Eram]

Back trailing this program leads me to a number of groups the most well known is ...Opus Dei.


Like a penis thumping gelding or a cribbing horse...you will eventually arrive at the point where you won't be able to Not slap yourself. Then go to MacDonalads, get a vaccine, swallow a few pills from Big Pharma and just get all the way back on the band wagon .


You have not rid yourself of enough of your own belief systems to undertake this without having detrimental effect

:twitch:

I am not used to communicate in this way, nor do I feel the desire to do so.

Thank you for your input and I will hold your assumptions under consideration.

If I ever wake up, sticking a vaccine needle in one of my kids or myself, I will report this here immediately.

[9eagle9]

You don't seem to realize you've already vaccinated yourself by initiating in this sort of thing without clearly understanding what you are buying into .

[alexandra]

Greetings from P.R. China. The name (his name) has the following characters 蕭 (xiao) 宏 (hong) 慈 (ci): 蕭 (desolate, dreary) 宏 (great, grand, magnificent) 慈 (kind).

[NTEK]

To all my western friends...

Here are two video clips for Master Xiao's workshop in USA conducted in English:


http://vimeo.com/45886014

http://vimeo.com/45886014 (Video link just in case)


http://vimeo.com/45886013

http://vimeo.com/45886013 (Video link just in case)


Hopefully it will clear all the mis-information and re-enforce the benefits of this ancient Chinese healing practice.

As Master Xiao mentioned in some of his other seminars (mostly in mandarin at Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, many parts of China and even Germany!), he did not invent these practices... he merely re-introduced these long forgotten ancient Chinese healing ways in the aim that we modern beings are able to do self-healing all on our own... without costly pills and surgeries.

That... in my humble opinion... is great ambition and of great compassion.

Hope you guys enjoy the videos :popcorn:

Thank you... LoVE & LiGHT :wub:

[Wiremu2011]

This thread is ironic for me, as I've recently re-visited EFT or in my case, Faster EFT by Robert Smith. After having been encouraged by Bruce Liptons interview on the power of conciousness and his endorsement of EFT to shift all subconscious "blocks", I had to look at it again.
I've since been practicing the much simpler and fast acting response from the Robert Smiths technique and I have to say I'm absolutely blown away with the change that has happened to me since.
Obviously much gentler, but works on the same meridian principle as the slapping one would think. I ability to relax in any situation is very noticeable and pretty much what I was hoping for.
It's another fantastic way to process your fears as inelia endorses with her meditations. Very important and vital IMHO.
Check it out, it's equally worth the time to investigate and see if it'd be of any benefit for you. Cheers :)

[Lettherebelight]

Putting my massage therapist hat on here...

This technique is of interest to me. Particularly because it is a very old Taoist technique. It is focused on the lymph nodes of the extremities and groin, which we avoid in massage therapy, as they are sensitive and more delicate. A massage therapist will focus more on muscles, encouraging the flow of lymph toward the lymph nodes.

However, gently slapping or tapping these areas (popliteal, supratrochlear) and stretching the inguinal node areas, would certainly increase the blood supply to these nodes substantially, thus stimulating and increasing the activity of these lymph nodes.
And most of us are aware of what goes on in the lymph nodes...major clean up job by the lymphocytes of toxins and diseases (antigens and pathogens) before it (lymph, interstitial fluid) is returns to the blood supply.

I can see how this technique would assist in the pursuit of good health, giving the lymphatic/immune system a turbo boost. These nodes are often scrunched up by the joints they are housed in. I do think, however, that bruising would be a sign that you've over done it...although it could be a case of building up a tolerance to light slapping. Easy bruising can be a symptom of irregular health in itself and may be only an initial, or temporary response to this treatment.

I think tapping or light slapping (tapotement) sounds beneficial, and would be more effective in these locations rather than applying pressure, just because the nodes are so sensitive.

It would be interesting to hear what Modwiz, also a massage therapist, has to say on this topic also. Yo, Bro!
Or anyone else with a related understanding...Sister Nearing?

[Lettherebelight]

The Eastern practices are less shy to treat more sensitive organs than the West. Qi Nei Tsang is the massage therapy that deals directly with stimulating the organs of the abdominal cavity through gentle but direct massage pressure. In the west we generally only focus on assisting intestinal action.

[Arrowwind]

I am interested to know from those who have practiced this technique if the bruising goes away over a period of time even when the slapping occurs. How long did it take? In the first video the guy said that when the woman slapped her arn that it would definatley go away over time if she kept it up. Doesnt that sound totally contrary to conventional conclusion? Then on top of it he said her heart would get stronger.

I am also interested to know if there are areas on the body where bruising did not occur even though subjected tot he same pressure.

wadyweaky - how goes it with your heart rate?

I probably will give this a try. Not because I am into self abuse. I never have been into self abuse. But I am very curious and experiemental in nature and I have no fears of stepping outside of the box. I suppose that is why I have accumulated a fairly large file of understanding and knowledge in alternative health. I dont let others tell me what is right and wrong. I make my own decisions... and I suppose that is why my health is so good and I have overcome so much in these years.. wether its from an herb, homeoapthy, a rife machine, a vitamin or a sweat lodge or a dance or a massage. All these things someone along the line told me no. thats crazy.

I think it is absolutley absured to conclude that someone who does this has self abuse issues. I certainly dont. Ive been a massage therapist for over 30 years. There are many ways to move energy. I say the proof is in the pudding. If this technique can slow down and stablize a heart rate that runs at 100 perpetually then I say go for it. .... not that there are not other ways to contend with such an issue for I think that htere is. But I do have some failth that people are drawn to the medicine that they need it they will keep their eyes open to see it.

We must continue to endeavor to find ways of healing that is outside of the current money sucking drug paradigm. There are many out there. Find the one that works for you.

From what I know about chinese medicine, which isnt a whole lot, but certainly some of theory, this tecnique makes perfect sense. In acupressure, with some therapiest a smiliar bruising will also occur and amongst acupressurist there is lots of controversy about how hard the applications should be. Some of these guys get pretty rough and I have had treatments that were pretty severe, but with amazing benefits. This new system seems a little extreme and people are so afraid of bruising. I will say this, in very healthing people bruising is always minimal. Bruising is a sign of chi issues. Look at children who are so rough and tumble and they get few bruises.. Older people often bruise at the slightest bump. This always indicates a problem, even in conventional medicine... although conventional docs generally dont have the education or foresight to pay it attention and figure it out.

I have also seen bruises as large as 8 inches across and deep deep purple completely disappear over night with the use of homeoapthy.
There is so much aobut energy movement in the body that we dont understand and the circulation of energy and blood is something that the chineses medicine mindset does have a grip on...

I think I will try it and see what happens. If it is real. there should be patterns that present and expected out comes over time, that can be repeated on many people. I suspect that this is probably so because this guy is getting a lot of support. If people didnt see some positive result they would stop pretty dang quick seeing how painful it is and disturbing in appearance and they would not be inclined to recommend it to others. I assure you, if I see no benefit I will not be inclinded to stick with it for too long. I have never been much of a fan of pain inducing activity.

It is not to dissimilar from EFT... emotional freedom technique, which dose cause me some pain when I do certain points.

[9eagle9]

How did Lymphatic Massage come into being if the lymph nodes are avoided?


Putting my massage therapist hat on here...

This technique is of interest to me. Particularly because it is a very old Taoist technique. It is focused on the lymph nodes of the extremities and groin, which we avoid in massage therapy, as they are sensitive and more delicate. A massage therapist will focus more on muscles, encouraging the flow of lymph toward the lymph nodes.

However, gently slapping or tapping these areas (popliteal, supratrochlear) and stretching the inguinal node areas, would certainly increase the blood supply to these nodes substantially, thus stimulating and increasing the activity of these lymph nodes.
And most of us are aware of what goes on in the lymph nodes...major clean up job by the lymphocytes of toxins and diseases (antigens and pathogens) before it (lymph, interstitial fluid) is returns to the blood supply.

I can see how this technique would assist in the pursuit of good health, giving the lymphatic/immune system a turbo boost. These nodes are often scrunched up by the joints they are housed in. I do think, however, that bruising would be a sign that you've over done it a little...although it could be a case of building up a tolerance to light slapping. Easy bruising can be a symptom of irregular health in itself and may be only an initial, or temporary response to this treatment.

I think tapping or light slapping (tapotement) sounds beneficial, and would be more effective in these locations rather than applying pressure, just because the nodes are so sensitive.

It would be interesting to hear what Modwiz, also a massage therapist, has to say on this topic also. Yo, Bro!
Or anyone else with a related understanding...Sister Nearing?

[Lettherebelight]

You massage toward the lymph nodes, not the actual nodes themselves.

[Eram]

In contrast with what some may think or have stated in this thread, I don't have self abuse issues either. I don't feel a need to punish myself to get purified (which is what self flagellation is all about isn't it?). on the contrary!
Just trying to find ways to improve my health and well being.

My heart rate is still better Arrowwind, thanks for asking.
It is since the use of this technique that I found improvement in this for the first time since I discovered about my fast heart rate.
It is still fast in parts of the day, but there are now many times in the day that I experience a heart rate of 60 to 80 bpm. Quite an improvement in my op opinion.

About the bruises: I got them only in the left arm (inner part of the elbow) for the first two days and after that never saw any bruising. I must say that I don't bruise easily, but my girlfriend (who does bruises easily) saw that bruising on her left arm disappear after a few days as well.

My feeling about the slapping is that it is indeed a little painful in a way (and that is why I always keep an open eye for a method with the same benefits but without pain), but so is taking a cold shower in the morning and we all know how refreshed and awake we feel after taking one. I am not so attached to the idea that improving the health must be painless at all cost.
After a week or so, I felt acclimatised to the slapping and felt no more or little pain.



Thank you very much NTEK, for the videos that you provided.
and Welcome on Project Avalon.
I have not seen them all the way yet, but I find them of great interest.

Thank you also Lettherebelight, for your insights in the lymph nodes in regard to this.

My experience with this so far is that it does help to improve health and in some areas more then others ( My rheumatoid knee for instance improved dramatically when I started slapping it), but it is not something that cures all diseases.
We would be so lucky if we ever found one :)

edit to add:

This thread is ironic for me, as I've recently re-visited EFT or in my case, Faster EFT by Robert Smith. After having been encouraged by Bruce Liptons interview on the power of conciousness and his endorsement of EFT to shift all subconscious "blocks", I had to look at it again.
I've since been practicing the much simpler and fast acting response from the Robert Smiths technique and I have to say I'm absolutely blown away with the change that has happened to me since.
Obviously much gentler, but works on the same meridian principle as the slapping one would think. I ability to relax in any situation is very noticeable and pretty much what I was hoping for.
It's another fantastic way to process your fears as inelia endorses with her meditations. Very important and vital IMHO.
Check it out, it's equally worth the time to investigate and see if it'd be of any benefit for you. Cheers :)

Thanks for your experiences Wiremu2011.
Do you have some links to provide to look into this?
I must say that I tried EFT before and came up empty handed because the part where you have to use positive confirmations doesn't work for me that well.
Is this faster EFT also with or without positive confirmations?

[Arrowwind]

You massage toward the lymph nodes, not the actual nodes themselves.

the way I do it the lymph nodes often get massaged.
It depends on the state of the lymph nodes. If they are congested they get massaged.
Elsewise I leave them alone to do their work.
There are many different points of view in massage.
Massage can encompass all body parts that are touchable, aside from muscle, including organs, fascia, bone, anything really.

[Arrowwind]

My experience with this so far is that it does help to improve health and in some areas more then others ( My rheumatoid knee for instance improved dramatically when I started slapping it), but it is not something that cures all diseases.
We would be so lucky if we ever found one :)

It's another fantastic way to process your fears as inelia endorses with her meditations. Very important and vital IMHO.
Check it out, it's equally worth the time to investigate and see if it'd be of any benefit for you. Cheers :)



OK. I just tried it on my arm. Bruising came up right away but not as bad as in some of the films, and I didnt even slap very hard. I figure if light to moderate slapping causes bruising that is hard enough for now. I will do the soles of the feet and head this evening. Family came over and Im not to inclined for an audiance at this point. I am also limiting myself to 75 slaps for now.

And talk about fear... when i saw the bruising come up it did stimulate fear. I got much more bruising on my left side than the right.
I dont fully understand this process nor have direct experience with it so thats why the fear I suppose. We are so taught to fear such changes in our body. We are programed since childhood by fretting parents and teachers with every petty little incident to fear damage to our bodies. I recall the story of a psychic surgeon who started his work as a young boy, at about the age of 12, when he fell out of a tree and a branch pierced his thigh. He pulled it out and held his hands over it and it healed right away. I doubt he had to much fear running to perform that feat. He went on to do surgery without scaple on thousands

When my sons were young they liked to climb trees. Well, Ive had a fear of heights for a long time but I didnt want them to acquire it. I would have to walk away and keep my mouth shut when they did such things, and later I would encourage them and help them find instruction. Now they are snow boarders that fly through the air and rock climbers with hooks and ropes and all... and I still cant watch, but my insistence on not projecting my fear to them allowed them to unfold naturally. Over th e years since then I have even conquered much of my own and can now do things I could not at one time. Most (but of course not all) of fear is in the head based on irrational thought.

In any healing process, procedure or sacrament, there is always room for positive confirmations. We are a mind body complex so work them together. And next time I will use an affirmation to counter those sensations of fear that came up.

Waky- it was most interesting to hear that the bruises subsided and did not return in just a couple of days. So what does that really say? .... something quite profound, I am suspecting.

[bluestflame]

effective way to bring ourselves into the moment

[nearing]

This is very interesting. I can see how this could work to stimulate lymph drainage and blood flow to certain areas that don't get that much naturally. I am not so sure that it must be done so vigorously and for so long that petechiae form though!

A lighter 'slap' for a shorter time should stimulate well enough. I can't opine on whether this is similar to EFT as I don't know anything about that technique. It sounds like more of a mental or emotional therapy where this is more physical?

I am intrigued!

[ThePythonicCow]

The interaction between Ilie, 9eagle9 and myself was becoming a bit of a digression from this thread, so I moved those posts to a new thread Amazing self healing method from Hongchi Xiao - Digression (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47714-Amazing-self-healing-method-from-Hongchi-Xiao-Digression).

[Arrowwind]

So I have done my whole body, at least the areas shown in the films I watched, head, arms, knees, feet...oh the groin... I forgot that one.. will do that later.

anyway the only place I bruised was on my antecubitals... and only one small bruise on my rt knee. Afterwards it feels pretty good.... stimulated and more alive.

I will repeat tomorrow.

Nearing... I suspect that the slapping will cause brusing even if lighter if there is stagnation there. I was stunned at how rapidly I bruised and I didn't do it all that hard. After about 10 slaps I could see it just spilling out and it was a bit alarming,, thinking, OMG! internal hemorragh! out of that single vein that is visible in my left anticub., the one dedicated to needle sticks when required. I did it much harder on my legs though, thinking that they could handle it and just barely a bruise there, but I could feel energy coursing up and down my lower legs for quite a while afterwards.



Generally with lymphatic massage, it is very light touch... the general rule of thumb is the weight of a nickle on the body. Ive had a number of lymphatic drainage massages done in the past and found it very soothing but it did not decrease swelling, which was the intent at the time. What really decreases swelling is light compression wraps... that does amazing things and I ve seen elephant legs return to normal after lymphatic wrap therapy... wish i could remember its tech name... but dont recall right now. We would order it for nursing home patients. Doesnt work if the cause is cardiac though.

[Timreh]

Very enjoyable thread... :happy:

I agree the Lymphatic System gains benefits from this technique though it seems to me that the main aims are to correct and restore the flow of chi, unblocking the meridians throughout the body and to repair the heart.


I am going to try out both the stretches and patting/slapping over the next few weeks at least and will report back.

[Arrowwind]

Very enjoyable thread... :happy:

I agree the Lymphatic System gains benefits from this technique though it seems to me that the main aims are to correct and restore the flow of chi, unblocking the meridians throughout the body and to repair the heart.

.

A congested chi can show up as lymphatic stagnation, among other things. There is little out there to deal with lymphatic issues in conventional medicine or even in alternative medicine outside of Chinese. Massage has always been a leader, then herbs as well, including cleavers. Sauna, sweat, and most importantly is castor oil packs on the congested lymph areas and certainly not to foget packs on the peyers patches located in the abdomen. The other little secret is the use of the mini trampoline and the process of Thixotrophy, that promotes an cellular interchange of fluids promoted by rebounding on a mini trampoline.

It is always exciting to me to find ways to stimulate healing and health that requries no purchases, no apparatus, no highly specialized education, no authorities.

[NTEK]

Hello everyone… before I begin, some disclaimers:

* I'm not a doctor/physician.
* I'm not an agent of Master Xiao and have no financial linkages.
* All explanations and suggestions are based on Master Xiao's seminars/workshops/Q&A sessions as per my level of understanding and also from practicing Lajin-Paida (拉筋拍打/stretching-slapping) myself.
* Some essence is lost in translation and I’ll try to translate to the best of my bilingual proficiency.
* I’m not trying to convince anyone… just sharing and contributing to improve knowledge on this practice.

@ Wakytweaky:
Its my pleasure to share the vids. I'm beginning to like this forum... its different :) For your knee, may i suggest you continue the slapping (front+back+sides) for 10 mins and do the stretching for at least 10 mins per leg if you can... the longer the better (FYI, Master Xiao's mum do hers for 40 mins each leg) and you should see improvement. From my own experience, the knee will be warm from within after the slapping and the leg will feel very light/loose/longer after the stretching.

@ Arrowwind & bluestflame:
“We are a mind body complex so work them together”
“effective way to bring ourselves into the moment”

Yes. Exactly.

As we slap ourselves, we feel pain at the spot. Because of the pain, our mind is now focused on our body area, and not drifting elsewhere (like the stock market, yesterday’s TV series or tomorrow’s office work). The pain puts us in the present, solely intend on our body, “bringing ourselves into the moment”… the “mind body complex” working together.

Do It Yourself… With Your Hands
It is thus best to do the slapping ourselves as it brings the mind and body together… and it is best to use our bare hands and not some dead/non-living slapper/stick. This is because there is live Qi/energy (气) within our very own hands and as we slap, we are channeling that Qi to the slapped area, and we are also working out the meridians on our palms.

When we slap with our palms, especially on others, our palm will also feel pain and thus we are conscious of the degree of pain and not over hit to cause injury. With a slapper/stick, over use of force may arise and pose an injury problem.

痧 (Poison Blood)
The “bruising” experienced is not the same bruising our body suffers when we knocked against hard objects like the edge of table. Our open palms are soft, with a layer of flesh and not hard like wood. This method of slapping is actually called 吊伤 (dao shang) in Tao (道), which literally means “lifting injury” – lifting up our injury/illness from our body... something like “fishing” our injury/illness out of our body.

We are therefore using our palm to fish out whatever is ailing us and the resultant “bruising” is called 痧(sha) which Master Xiao translate as “poison blood”. It is exactly this poison blood that we want to fish out of our body to achieve healing… and there is more.

The presence of poison blood is an indication of health issues or illness and many a times they indicate hidden/latent illness that are not full blown yet and usually goes undetected by modern medical equipment. Thus, the appearance of poison blood is a good tell-tale sign of our true body condition and serves as an early warning signal.

The position where the poison blood appear on our body tells us the specific health issues or illness we have. We can easily check the meridian chart to find out which specific organs are having problems as each meridian governs certain organs like heart, liver, lungs, spleen, kidneys, etc.

The color of the poison blood reveals the severity of the illness/problem. As a rule of thumb, the darker the color, the more serious is the issue. Colors of the poison blood ranges from redish, purplish to blackish and we can consider the health issues as mild, intermediate to serious correspondingly.

However, there is no need to fear should we see blackish poison blood surfacing… in Master Xiao’s words “I want to congratulate you!” Why the congratulation? Because we have managed to fish out these illnesses/problems from our body as represented by these poison blood! With regular and diligent slapping and stretching, the poison blood will disperse and the illness/problem dissolved (化 hua). It’s really that simple.

Lajin-Paida Basis
The root logic of Lajin-Paida is very simple. This is how Master Xiao puts it:

1. All illnesses, be it just a light flu or cancerous tumor, is due to blocked Meridian (经络不通 Jing Luo Bu Tong).

2. To heal, all we need to do is clear all Meridian blockages (打通经络 Da Tong Jing Luo).

He explained that many external treatment methods employed by practitioners, such as acupuncture (针灸), cupping (拔罐), moxibustion (艾灸), tui-na (推拿), etc, all strive to do only one thing – to clear meridian blockages and thereby allowing the Qi/energy (气) and blood (血 Xue) to flow in harmony.

However, these methods are difficult to learn and even if one manages to master any of them, one still cannot effectively apply the methods on themselves, thus unable to self-heal effectively. On the contrary, Lajin-Paida is very easy to learn and can be self administered, achieving self-healing.

Based on the numerous case studies Master Xiao had gathered so far, this method of Lajin-Paida is effective in treating quite a range of illnesses/problems, ranging from hypertension, high/low blood pressure, diabetics, women's problem, children's sickness, oldness hunch-back, deafness, mental illness, etc, and more positive evidences are still mounting daily as more people gave their testimony/feedback to him. Thus, we may indeed have found the "something" that cures most/all diseases.

Road Blocks
Nevertheless, as Master Xiao explained, there are two things stopping any individual to effectively practice Lajin-Paida:

1. Laziness (懒 Lan)

2. Doubt (疑 Yi)

Laziness
We are humans and we do tend to be lazy at times (or most times?). This practice requires some determination and diligence to really achieve complete healing of our specific issues. Most common question asked during Q&A: “How many times must we do and each time for how long?” and Master Xiao’s standard answer (which Earth Angel love):

"If you want more health benefits, practise more often,

If you want less health benefits, practise less often,

If you don't want any health benefit, then don't do it."

Doubt
To many, this is something “new” and naturally we will be skeptics (This is actually NOT some newly invented practice… been around since ancient China). With doubt, our slapping will be softer, less concentrated and our stretching will be mild, less robust… and some may not even want to give it a try, but keep questioning it instead. Master Xiao’s usual phrase: “Just Do It”.

In doing, we feel, we experience and we can then decide.

Pain Because Blocked
Chinese meridian studies have a saying “通则不痛, 痛则不通“ (Tong Ze Bu Tong, Tong Ze Bu Tong) literally means “Unblock No Pain, Pain Is Block”. As such, should we feel pain when we slap or stretch, it means our meridian is block. Some of us may even feel great pain with the slightest of slap and this is an indication of serious blockage and should target slap it more. The more you slap/stretch, the less blockage, the less pain.

Two Extreme Results
Those who follow and practice this Lajin-Paida may encounter one of two extreme results:

1. Immediate relieve of pain area

2. Increased pain in affected area and/or additional other areas feeling pain where normally they don’t (气冲病灶)

Most people fall under the first category. The problem area (e.g. back) will immediately get a whole lot better after just one session. All is happy.

However, some of us may belong to group 2. People in this group will experience气冲病灶 (Qi Chong Bing Zao), literally translated as “Energy Rush Illness Stove”. Pardon my limited bilingual capability as I’m unable to give a more fitting translation.

What it means is that the blocked meridians are too severely obstructed and the pressure applied there while doing stretching or slapping for the first few times, is trying to release this blockage. This process creates tension and thus pain arises and will be at a higher level than usual.

This is normal and is a good sign.

This is the turning point (darkness before dawn/silver lining) before full healing is achieved. What is happening is that the long hidden/latent internal poison/toxin is surfacing out and what we must do is to continue the stretching or slapping (or both) in order to accomplish total detoxification.

If the internal poison/toxin is not lifted out but remain within, it will stay hidden and relapse when we are older with reduced immunity. By that time we will suffer even more due to our old age and its prolonged manifestation.

Myself
I’m currently practicing Lajin-Paida and have just started some days ago. I’m sticking to stretching 10 mins per leg, twice a day (morning & night) and will lengthen the time progressively. As for slapping, I’m more lazy, slapping only now and then.

There is something of interest which I want to report and share.

As I slapped the back of my left hand, I felt a kind of “sour” pain in my left wrist. After 10 mins of slapping, a faint dark spot appeared on my left wrist. It’s not as clear as the typical poison blood.

Then I remembered I sprained my left wrist when I was young and most probably my old injury did not fully heal the last time. The dark spot and “sour” pain I felt should be the residue injury being lifted out.

The pain wasn’t severe… I can still rotate my wrist fully and use my left hand but it had this nudging pain. I left it alone for about two days and then I slapped the back of my left hand again and at this pain spot too. When I’m done, the wrist and hand was warm from the inside and the “sour” pain had dissolved totally.

Master Xiao did mention that through this slapping method, old unhealed injury can be treated and this is probably my case.

Ok, I have shared quite a bit and maybe some points had been covered in the video clip so pardon any repetition. Hope that after reading my lengthy post, fellow members can have an enhanced understanding of this Lajin-Paida practice.

If time permits, I’ll try to translate and post some factual case studies from Master Xiao’s Chinese blog for the benefits of those who are interested.

Below is a coming workshop for German speaking and European Avalon members interested in Lajin-Paida. I'm sorry that the registration deadline (15 July 12) had already passed at this time of posting, but the contact details are available should you want to find out about any future workshop:

Workshop
Master Xiao will be in Germany to conduct the first European 7-day Lajin-Paida workshop/retreat:

Der erste Workshop über Paida Lajin wird in kurz in Deutschland stattfinden
Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e7un.html

Date: 2012 August 12 - 18
Address: Landhotel zur alten kaserne, Frauengrund 3, 96106 Ebern, Deutschland
Organiser: Gesundheit-aktiv Deutschland, www.gesundheitaktiv.org, info@gesundheitaktiv.org

Workshop Agenda:
禅跑 - Zen running
禅坐 - Meditation
辟谷 - Fasting
自愈法专题讲座 - Self-healing theory
拍打自愈法学习 - Paida/slapping self-healing practical
拉筋自愈法学习 - Lajin/stretching self-healing practical
经验分享 - Experience sharing

Registration:
Limited to 30 pax, deadline 15 July 2012

Anmeldung unter der Adresse: Studio –die Kunst des Dao
Tel.: 0049 231 53083474
Mobil: 0049 163 3639462
www.lajin-paida-deutschland.com/
E-meil: lajin.paida@googlemail.com

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi NTEK,

Welcome to the forum.

I was hopping someone would ask the following question in the workshop but did not see it.

"Why the forceful, painful stretching and not a more gradual one?"

Did anyone ask that in one of the Chinese workshops?

The reason I ask is because I've learned (I don't recall where) that over stretching is bad because the ligaments and tendons will sustain mico-injuries and will get inflamed. And I know from experience that if I over stretch the next day I'll be more stiff than the day before.

[Timreh]

Very enjoyable thread... :happy:

I agree the Lymphatic System gains benefits from this technique though it seems to me that the main aims are to correct and restore the flow of chi, unblocking the meridians throughout the body and to repair the heart.

.

A congested chi can show up as lymphatic stagnation, among other things. There is little out there to deal with lymphatic issues in conventional medicine or even in alternative medicine outside of Chinese. Massage has always been a leader, then herbs as well, including cleavers. Sauna, sweat, and most importantly is castor oil packs on the congested lymph areas and certainly not to foget packs on the peyers patches located in the abdomen. The other little secret is the use of the mini trampoline and the process of Thixotrophy, that promotes an cellular interchange of fluids promoted by rebounding on a mini trampoline.

It is always exciting to me to find ways to stimulate healing and health that requries no purchases, no apparatus, no highly specialized education, no authorities.





Yes I agree with you Arrowwind..

Lymphatic Drainage was a component that was included during my studies, most of the clients that would come in for our clinical training were cancer patients who had a compromised Lymphatic System with the obvious swollen limbs after the removal of some or all of their Lymph Nodes in that area, I enjoyed this gentle rhythmical, relaxing technique.

What I really, really like about the whole idea of this method is the idea of treating the body on multiple levels (I’m sure there are many other techniques to achieve this)
Or better still getting the body to treat itself!

[Sierra]

Kind of reminds me of strapping ...


Strapping is a traditional but very effective method to promote circulation and to build muscle. This guide shows you how to do it, without harming your horse.

Step 1: The benefits of strapping
Although an older tradition, strapping your horse is still one of the most effective ways to help improve muscle tone, promote circulation and to help build muscle.

Step 2: You will need
1 clean, dry horse
1 strapping pad

Step 3: Strap the neck
Stand on the left side of your horse, to begin strapping him. Start at the neck or trapezium, which are the two bands of muscles, that run down the horse's neck. It is vital that you avoid, the atlas, which is the top vertebrae, the scapula, which is the shoulder blade and the withers! Now with the strap in your right hand, begin to bang the neck muscle, in a rhythmical fashion. In an unfit horse, or a horse new to strapping, start with five repetitions. Stroke your horse with your left hand between each bang. On the sixth repetition, do not bang, but stop the pad directly over the muscle to see if it contracts.

CAUTION! However, always exercise extreme caution when strapping, as banging too vigorously can really bruise your horse!

Source: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-strap-your-horse

[Kristin]

Phil and I have been doing the stretching together every day with great results in our backs, legs, and shoulders. It reminded me of when I took Karate classes and the stretching we had to do there. Now the idea of slapping the lymph until bruised did not appeal to me, however, I tried it with an empty paper towel roll and so far it seems to be wonderful! It stimulates the lymph gently while making it hum and tingle. This week has left me with less pains and cramping in the body as well as improved circulation in the feet and legs. So far so good.

We are both enjoying doing the stretching together and holding the legs up for each other while applying pressure to the opposite knee down. It's really great for couples to enjoy and adds another dimension of loving contact and healing from both directions.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

Also: Moving the lymph is as easy as cold shower, hot shower, to cold shower. Going from cold to hot to cold makes the lymph breathe and that is healthy for circulation. Try it! They say to end on cold... if you can stand it!

[Arrowwind]

Also: Moving the lymph is as easy as cold shower, hot shower, to cold shower. Going from cold to hot to cold makes the lymph breathe and that is healthy for circulation. Try it! They say to end on cold... if you can stand it!


Good to hear you are having promising results.

Dr. Benjamin Lust, who developed much of the hydrotherapy techniques had his patients take showers for 8 hours nonstop to move the lymph. Of course you need really pure water without fluroide or chlorine. I havent tried it yet as you really need to lay down in a tub while doing it but when our house is done I will try it. I have a paper on it somewhere.


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Thank you for this and this is not a post to be missed if you are looking into this technique.


Hello everyone… before I begin, some disclaimers:

* I'm not a doctor/physician.
* I'm not an agent of Master Xiao and have no financial linkages.
* All explanations and suggestions are based on Master Xiao's seminars/workshops/Q&A sessions as per my level of understanding and also from practicing Lajin-Paida (拉筋拍打/stretching-slapping) myself.
* Some essence is lost in translation and I’ll try to translate to the best of my bilingual proficiency.
* I’m not trying to convince anyone… just sharing and contributing to improve knowledge on this practice.

@ Wakytweaky:
Its my pleasure to share the vids. I'm beginning to like this forum... its different :) For your knee, may i suggest you continue the slapping (front+back+sides) for 10 mins and do the stretching for at least 10 mins per leg if you can... the longer the better (FYI, Master Xiao's mum do hers for 40 mins each leg) and you should see improvement. From my own experience, the knee will be warm from within after the slapping and the leg will feel very light/loose/longer after the stretching.

@ Arrowwind & bluestflame:
“We are a mind body complex so work them together”
“effective way to bring ourselves into the moment”

Yes. Exactly.

As we slap ourselves, we feel pain at the spot. Because of the pain, our mind is now focused on our body area, and not drifting elsewhere (like the stock market, yesterday’s TV series or tomorrow’s office work). The pain puts us in the present, solely intend on our body, “bringing ourselves into the moment”… the “mind body complex” working together.

Do It Yourself… With Your Hands
It is thus best to do the slapping ourselves as it brings the mind and body together… and it is best to use our bare hands and not some dead/non-living slapper/stick. This is because there is live Qi/energy (气) within our very own hands and as we slap, we are channeling that Qi to the slapped area, and we are also working out the meridians on our palms.

When we slap with our palms, especially on others, our palm will also feel pain and thus we are conscious of the degree of pain and not over hit to cause injury. With a slapper/stick, over use of force may arise and pose an injury problem.

痧 (Poison Blood)
The “bruising” experienced is not the same bruising our body suffers when we knocked against hard objects like the edge of table. Our open palms are soft, with a layer of flesh and not hard like wood. This method of slapping is actually called 吊伤 (dao shang) in Tao (道), which literally means “lifting injury” – lifting up our injury/illness from our body... something like “fishing” our injury/illness out of our body.

We are therefore using our palm to fish out whatever is ailing us and the resultant “bruising” is called 痧(sha) which Master Xiao translate as “poison blood”. It is exactly this poison blood that we want to fish out of our body to achieve healing… and there is more.

The presence of poison blood is an indication of health issues or illness and many a times they indicate hidden/latent illness that are not full blown yet and usually goes undetected by modern medical equipment. Thus, the appearance of poison blood is a good tell-tale sign of our true body condition and serves as an early warning signal.

The position where the poison blood appear on our body tells us the specific health issues or illness we have. We can easily check the meridian chart to find out which specific organs are having problems as each meridian governs certain organs like heart, liver, lungs, spleen, kidneys, etc.

The color of the poison blood reveals the severity of the illness/problem. As a rule of thumb, the darker the color, the more serious is the issue. Colors of the poison blood ranges from redish, purplish to blackish and we can consider the health issues as mild, intermediate to serious correspondingly.

However, there is no need to fear should we see blackish poison blood surfacing… in Master Xiao’s words “I want to congratulate you!” Why the congratulation? Because we have managed to fish out these illnesses/problems from our body as represented by these poison blood! With regular and diligent slapping and stretching, the poison blood will disperse and the illness/problem dissolved (化 hua). It’s really that simple.

Lajin-Paida Basis
The root logic of Lajin-Paida is very simple. This is how Master Xiao puts it:

1. All illnesses, be it just a light flu or cancerous tumor, is due to blocked Meridian (经络不通 Jing Luo Bu Tong).

2. To heal, all we need to do is clear all Meridian blockages (打通经络 Da Tong Jing Luo).

He explained that many external treatment methods employed by practitioners, such as acupuncture (针灸), cupping (拔罐), moxibustion (艾灸), tui-na (推拿), etc, all strive to do only one thing – to clear meridian blockages and thereby allowing the Qi/energy (气) and blood (血 Xue) to flow in harmony.

However, these methods are difficult to learn and even if one manages to master any of them, one still cannot effectively apply the methods on themselves, thus unable to self-heal effectively. On the contrary, Lajin-Paida is very easy to learn and can be self administered, achieving self-healing.

Based on the numerous case studies Master Xiao had gathered so far, this method of Lajin-Paida is effective in treating quite a range of illnesses/problems, ranging from hypertension, high/low blood pressure, diabetics, women's problem, children's sickness, oldness hunch-back, deafness, mental illness, etc, and more positive evidences are still mounting daily as more people gave their testimony/feedback to him. Thus, we may indeed have found the "something" that cures most/all diseases.

Road Blocks
Nevertheless, as Master Xiao explained, there are two things stopping any individual to effectively practice Lajin-Paida:

1. Laziness (懒 Lan)

2. Doubt (疑 Yi)

Laziness
We are humans and we do tend to be lazy at times (or most times?). This practice requires some determination and diligence to really achieve complete healing of our specific issues. Most common question asked during Q&A: “How many times must we do and each time for how long?” and Master Xiao’s standard answer (which Earth Angel love):

"If you want more health benefits, practise more often,

If you want less health benefits, practise less often,

If you don't want any health benefit, then don't do it."

Doubt
To many, this is something “new” and naturally we will be skeptics (This is actually NOT some newly invented practice… been around since ancient China). With doubt, our slapping will be softer, less concentrated and our stretching will be mild, less robust… and some may not even want to give it a try, but keep questioning it instead. Master Xiao’s usual phrase: “Just Do It”.

In doing, we feel, we experience and we can then decide.

Pain Because Blocked
Chinese meridian studies have a saying “通则不痛, 痛则不通“ (Tong Ze Bu Tong, Tong Ze Bu Tong) literally means “Unblock No Pain, Pain Is Block”. As such, should we feel pain when we slap or stretch, it means our meridian is block. Some of us may even feel great pain with the slightest of slap and this is an indication of serious blockage and should target slap it more. The more you slap/stretch, the less blockage, the less pain.

Two Extreme Results
Those who follow and practice this Lajin-Paida may encounter one of two extreme results:

1. Immediate relieve of pain area

2. Increased pain in affected area and/or additional other areas feeling pain where normally they don’t (气冲病灶)

Most people fall under the first category. The problem area (e.g. back) will immediately get a whole lot better after just one session. All is happy.

However, some of us may belong to group 2. People in this group will experience气冲病灶 (Qi Chong Bing Zao), literally translated as “Energy Rush Illness Stove”. Pardon my limited bilingual capability as I’m unable to give a more fitting translation.

What it means is that the blocked meridians are too severely obstructed and the pressure applied there while doing stretching or slapping for the first few times, is trying to release this blockage. This process creates tension and thus pain arises and will be at a higher level than usual.

This is normal and is a good sign.

This is the turning point (darkness before dawn/silver lining) before full healing is achieved. What is happening is that the long hidden/latent internal poison/toxin is surfacing out and what we must do is to continue the stretching or slapping (or both) in order to accomplish total detoxification.

If the internal poison/toxin is not lifted out but remain within, it will stay hidden and relapse when we are older with reduced immunity. By that time we will suffer even more due to our old age and its prolonged manifestation.

Myself
I’m currently practicing Lajin-Paida and have just started some days ago. I’m sticking to stretching 10 mins per leg, twice a day (morning & night) and will lengthen the time progressively. As for slapping, I’m more lazy, slapping only now and then.

There is something of interest which I want to report and share.

As I slapped the back of my left hand, I felt a kind of “sour” pain in my left wrist. After 10 mins of slapping, a faint dark spot appeared on my left wrist. It’s not as clear as the typical poison blood.

Then I remembered I sprained my left wrist when I was young and most probably my old injury did not fully heal the last time. The dark spot and “sour” pain I felt should be the residue injury being lifted out.

The pain wasn’t severe… I can still rotate my wrist fully and use my left hand but it had this nudging pain. I left it alone for about two days and then I slapped the back of my left hand again and at this pain spot too. When I’m done, the wrist and hand was warm from the inside and the “sour” pain had dissolved totally.

Master Xiao did mention that through this slapping method, old unhealed injury can be treated and this is probably my case.

Ok, I have shared quite a bit and maybe some points had been covered in the video clip so pardon any repetition. Hope that after reading my lengthy post, fellow members can have an enhanced understanding of this Lajin-Paida practice.

If time permits, I’ll try to translate and post some factual case studies from Master Xiao’s Chinese blog for the benefits of those who are interested.

Below is a coming workshop for German speaking and European Avalon members interested in Lajin-Paida. I'm sorry that the registration deadline (15 July 12) had already passed at this time of posting, but the contact details are available should you want to find out about any future workshop:

Workshop
Master Xiao will be in Germany to conduct the first European 7-day Lajin-Paida workshop/retreat:

Der erste Workshop über Paida Lajin wird in kurz in Deutschland stattfinden
Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e7un.html

Date: 2012 August 12 - 18
Address: Landhotel zur alten kaserne, Frauengrund 3, 96106 Ebern, Deutschland
Organiser: Gesundheit-aktiv Deutschland, www.gesundheitaktiv.org, info@gesundheitaktiv.org

Workshop Agenda:
禅跑 - Zen running
禅坐 - Meditation
辟谷 - Fasting
自愈法专题讲座 - Self-healing theory
拍打自愈法学习 - Paida/slapping self-healing practical
拉筋自愈法学习 - Lajin/stretching self-healing practical
经验分享 - Experience sharing

Registration:
Limited to 30 pax, deadline 15 July 2012

Anmeldung unter der Adresse: Studio –die Kunst des Dao
Tel.: 0049 231 53083474
Mobil: 0049 163 3639462
www.lajin-paida-deutschland.com/
E-meil: lajin.paida@googlemail.com

[Dennis Leahy]

For those trying this technique, but not thrilled at the prospect of bruises, check out bioflavenoids as a supplement.

An interesting article on bioflavonoids here: What Are Bioflavonoids and How Can They Help You Reduce Bruising Easily? (http://oncolinthera.com/what-are-bioflavonoids-and-how-can-they-help-you-reduce-bruising-easily/13220)

My intuition tells me that some of the slapping in the videos is far beyond what would be necessary to stimulate circulation (blood and lymph), but that is simply my conjecture. If someone bruises easily, or has a diet low in bioflavonoids, it makes no sense to me how a bruise could be a diagnostic tool.

Dennis

[Arrowwind]

So Ive done the process twice today as my knowledge of it has grown through rewatching the tapes.

I barely got any bruises on my knees and behind the knees but just below the knees on the internal lateral aspect on both legs I have had an area that has been swollen and sore for years... many years starting with pregnancy 25 years ago.. When I work the points there they throb and I had long given up on that as I never saw any results. I think its probably spleen 9. When I did the slapping on them today they turned radically purple and they ache. So this area and the antecubs of the arms are the only ones to turn purple. It will be interesting to see how long all this lasts with continued practice.

Dennis, I dont think bioflavinoids will to much for this situation... it might help clear the discoloration up more quickly. Acutally if bruising occurs it is viewed as a good thing as it is a release of yin stagnation energy. I've been on biolfavinoids and rutin and high dosages of vitamin c for almost 2 years due to vericose vein issues... but you know what? vericose issues are blood stagnation issues. Those supplments have helped the vericose vein that has been a problem but it has not hindered the release of stagnation with the slapping technique. With stagnation, as explained via Chinese medicine, the stagnation prevents good absorption of nutrition... so maybe this is why people are drawn to such supplements in the first place?

[NTEK]

Hi NTEK,

Welcome to the forum.

I was hopping someone would ask the following question in the workshop but did not see it.

"Why the forceful, painful stretching and not a more gradual one?"

Did anyone ask that in one of the Chinese workshops?

The reason I ask is because I've learned (I don't recall where) that over stretching is bad because the ligaments and tendons will sustain mico-injuries and will get inflamed. And I know from experience that if I over stretch the next day I'll be more stiff than the day before.


Hi Ilie,

Thanks :)

Nope… so far I have not heard anyone asking that question and of course I have not watched ALL of the workshops/seminars/TV programs posted online in China.

I believe this question did not surface in the dozen or so video clips I watched is because the stretching wasn't perceived by the audiences as being forceful.

Case In Point
Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e8i5.html

The pictures (taken during the Germany seminar) is of an old Chinese gentleman, Mr. Mao, 83 yrs of age. He came to Stuttgart (Germany) in the 50s and is the former president of the Chinese Business Association in Stuttgart.

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He had gone through several operations on his legs and hips and now his right knee can't bend, have mobility issues and need to rely on a walking stick. During Master Xiao's presentation, he sat in the first row, listened intently and couldn't believe such simple method is capable of curing.

He asked Master Xiao to treat him using some other "unique" TCM methods. Master Xiao explicitly told him that this is a self-healing method, the simplest and most effective way that he know. If he want Master Xiao's help, Master Xiao can only teach him to Lajin-Paida.

Old Mr. Mao's daughter is an orthopedic doctor (NTEK: ironic?!) and after several consultation calls, old Mr. Mao decided to give it a try.

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As what we can see from the pictures, Mr. Mao's left leg remained hanging in the air while the raised right leg was bend, both arms were stiff and remained hanging in the air… like a stiff dried shrimp. Master Xiao then left him lying there just like that… and without strapping the leg or using weights, Mr. Mao was already in pain.

From the pictures, we can gather that the stretching wasn't forceful. Painful? Yes... if meridians are blocked.

Five minutes later, the leg was strapped very very lightly and continued stretching for another five minutes. Once done, he immediately felt the usually very tight leg loosened a lot.

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Master Xiao then ask the volunteers to slap both the knees front & back for 5 mins and much poison blood surfaced within this short time.

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After the slapping, he tried to walk and his years of stiff leg can now actually bend and he held up his bend knee for a photo moment! Mr. Mao decided on the spot to participate in the August workshop in Bavaria!

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The point often highlighted by Master Xiao is that we do control the stretch ourselves when we do it ourselves and that is why it's safe. We are not talking about a ballet split here and that is why even 83 year old Mr. Mao can do the stretching.

Of course, as we had seen in the pictures, he had to start gradually. If he diligently practices it, his body will loosen up and gradually he will be able to accomplish the standard stretching practice.

So Ilie, it is gradual, not forceful and definitely painful if our meridians are blocked :)

Start gradual like old Mr. Mao, with short time period and gradually lengthen the time. That's what I'm doing.

Hope I had answered your question :)

[Arrowwind]

So here I am starting day three. The bruise on the left anticubital area is considerably faded which I was surprised to see. Yesterday I did the slapping harder and longer than day one and the bruising really didnt increase much after the second treatment. I thought I had been too light on my first treatment after watching the videos again.

It just is not following conventional logic that the 'bruise' would be so decreased today. It is less dark than after day one when one would expect it to be worse after a rougher session on day two. This does not exactly follow the linear progress and thinking associated with a trauma injury.

I started the stretching exercise last night. I am hoping that it will help with injury to the piriformis muscle on the right I had a couple of years ago which I have aggravated again doing gardening... which of course tells me that it has not fully healed in the first place... So that is what I will be tracking.

[Lettherebelight]

Hi Arrowind, thanks for taking the time to let us know how you are doing with this technique. It is interesting, I now understand that it's not really the kind of bruising that we are familiar with. It will be interesting to hear if you experience any health benefits.

[NTEK]

Hello everyone,

Below is a translated blog entry about a French doctor's experience in the Beijing Lajin-Paida Experience Camp and may be of interest to our French Avalon members who know this doctor and are interested in Lajin-Paida.

Hope you enjoy... Thank you.

NTEK :)


A French Doctor In Experience Camp (with photos)

Source: http://qing.weibo.com/1573471910/5dc946a63300069w.html

Blog entry dated: 24 Nov 2011

Met Mr. Angles more than six months ago in Beijing and we hit it off very well. He is the Education Committee director of the European Federation of Chinese medicine specialists, and is also the deputy director of the ISN Sino-French Standards Editorial Board.

He has a great command of the Chinese language and is an expert in the Chinese-French translation of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). He is a Western doctor by training and after studying traditional Chinese medicine, he then mainly practices TCM.

He was very curious about the Lajin-Paida practice and made a special trip to the Beijing Lajin-Paida Experience Camp to observe the last time. This time, he finally took part in the 7-day Lajin-Paida Experience Camp and his experience is very inspiring:


I'm Angles, from France, Rodez, 61-year-old, has 10 years of Western medicine clinical experience. First came to China in 1985 and travelled between France and China for the past 26 years.

I like Chinese culture and like studying Chinese medicine. In my clinic, I mostly use acupuncture, herbal medicine, diet therapy and Qigong.

In 1980, I suffered from severe rheumatoid until 1985 and couldn't get it treated in France. I came to China to learn TCM and to seek treatment at the same time. TCM diet therapy and Qigong helped me, and my rheumatoid symptoms disappeared.

I'm a survivor in a 1993 plane crash but my body was seriously injured. I suffered hip bone dislocation and fractures at 25 areas of my body. Again, it is Chinese Tui-Na, massage, Qigong that saved me. But after all these years, my tendons contracted quite badly and my body is very stiff.

I strongly believe in China's TCM.

I came to China in April this year and a friend in Shanghai introduced me to 医行天下 's (Yi Xing Tian Xia - Heal The World) Lajin-Paida. I was very happy to have met Mr. Hongchi Xiao and was very interested in both the theory and practices of Lajin-Paida.

Attended a one-day experience in Beijing and I felt very good as Lajin-Paida let my body become more flexible. Because time was tight, regrettably I had to return back to France. This time, I specially made the arrangement to come to Beijing to experience, learn, and condition my body.

These 7 days, my body's flexibility had great improvement.

My biggest gain is that everyone's attitude was very good and all participants got to know each other very well very quickly; The Chinese healing process is painful but relieve comes very fast.

Also, all these years, my hip bones were tightly contracted and unable to open. From a Western medicine point of view, it can never be opened but here, it successfully opened on day 5.

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Picture showing Mr. Angles maximum bent on Day 1.

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Picture showing Mr. Angles on day 5, several decades of stiff back can now finally bend down with both hands easily touching the floor.


Once I return to France, I want to do three things.

First, I will plan a Lajin-Paida schedule for myself, fixed timing, daily, to Lajin-Paida.

Second, I will also try to establish Lajin-Paida classes

Third, I will bring my relatives and friends to participate in the Lajin-Paida 7-day Experience Camp in China.

Beijing Lajin-Paida Class 26 - French student Angles

November 9, 2011


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Picture showing Mr. Angles accepting Paida

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Picture showing the now flexible Mr. Angles, who can now easily bend down to touch the floor, excitedly embracing volunteer BaoChang Wang.


Editor's Note:
Numerous touching stories of people and events are born in every Experience Camp and this class touched me deeply.

61-year-old Mr. Angles, who have 10+ years of experience in Western medicine, since opening his clinic, was unable to treat his own illness, but have come from afar to China to seek medical help and thus planted the insoluble bond with China 26 years ago.

He speak great mandarin and not only love Chinese medicine, he is proficient in the meridians, acupuncture points, and even employ acupuncture and Chinese medicine as clinical treatment.

If a foreigner can love our National Culture so much, and is involved in the positive spread and application, as Chinese descendants, is this not something to ponder?

How many people abandoned the essence of his own country, and even some who willfully obstruct.

When Mr. Angles excitedly said to me: "My situation, if is to use Western medicine, can never be resolved." I feel great pride as a Chinese!

[Arrowwind]

Yesterday was a very busy day for me so I only did a modified version. I did the slapping on the anticubitals again even though they were still quite bruised in a dark brownish color. I did it longer than before. No new bruising noted after the session yesterday and today almost all the bruising is gone. So what the Master says is true. The bruising will go away even thought treatments continue. I also did the head and the feet.

I did not do slapping on the spleen 9 points on my legs. The bruising is large and signficiant and the areas are sore... but I intend to do it today.

Ive done the stretching exercises 3 times so far and this is the worst... Id rather slap. Even though I am still more flexible than most people it hurts and I really have to get into my breathing to endure 5 minutes of it... I can feel release going on but I seem to be able to only take small amounts at a time. Remember your breathing. release comes through the breath... and even worse than doing the exercise is getting out of the position when your done. I wish they including that breathing message in their teaching. A friend watched me do the exercises yesterday and she thought that perhaps my chairs were too high causing a stretch that is extreme.

Anyone know the height of the bench they use in the class? Could it be that the bench should be as high as the length of your leg from the knee to the floor?

[Arrowwind]

added note here... my friend who watched me do the exercises does them easily. I was astounded to find out that she does such leg stretches daily, one foot down, the other leg up. She is well into her 70's and is in perfect health. I asked her why she does it and she said that she just felt it was right.. she also does a stretch with a rope she has attached to her ceiling that works the upper body in a similar fashion as shown on the Masters website.

When we were having dinner together her face shifted and I saw an old chinese person...( this is something that I experience on occassion) I find her quiet intersting as some one who is held up in this outback region of country, who does oil paintings and claims to be a Baptist but who lives more like a free thinking free spirit.

oh, I will say that yesterday was a very low energy day for me. Maybe because the grass allergies were quite bad and I took a zyrtec.. Those pills can knock me out. Fortunatley hay harvest is almost over.

[Arrowwind]

Yesterday I did the slapping for a full 5 minutes on all recommended points. (still not the 10 minutes recommended) This is the longest I have done it and the hardest I have done it. Meridian points on my head are no longer sore to touch. I have had no new bruising on either legs at spleen 9 and soreness is reduced. .. (these points had been sore for years) The heart points on the anticubitals also had no new bruising despite increased slapping and pressure.

I think that this pretty much debunks the trauma causes bruising theory. Something else more profound is going on. Today I woke up and hardly any bruise showing on the anticubitals at all.

If someone wants to consider that the bruising that initially showed up was only a trauma mechanism they have to account for why no new bruising came up on successive days with increased and harder slapping. This flies in the face of conventional beliefs..... and btw, I stopped all bioflavinoids and vitamin c for this trial.

[NTEK]

Anyone know the height of the bench they use in the class? Could it be that the bench should be as high as the length of your leg from the knee to the floor?

Hi Arrowwind,

I found this for you... dimensions of the official Lajin-Paida bench:

Bench Length: 108 cm
Bench Width: 48 cm
Bench Height: 53 cm
Vertical Beam Height: 170 cm

Source: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17452932641

Cheers,
NTEK :)

[NTEK]

Hi everyone,

Found this short 30+ mins video about Master Xiao's journey into Qinghai and Xinjiang (China) where he gave free treatment to the people. Audio is in mandarin but with Chinese and English subtitles.

Also featured is Beijing's Lajin-Paida training center, Master Xiao's short biography and his views on humans and nature :)


http://vimeo.com/46526314

[Arrowwind]

So yesterday I did the slapping again for 5 minutes. I got one small bruise in the rt anticubital area. Elsewise, no new brusing and the first bruises continue to fade.
On my spleen 9 points on the legs I was pretty concerned because the bruises there were quite bad, but after slapping in that area for 3 days after the initial bruises no new bruises have come, they just continue to fade.

Haven't done it yet for today. Will report tomorrow.

[Arrowwind]

Well, I continue with the slapping.

Spleen 9 points on my legs that had the most significant dark bruising are still present but are quite faded looking green and yelllow iwth a little purprle mixed in. The spleen points are still sore. Continued slapping on the area raises no new bruising. But the long term swelling (like for years) to the spleen 9 points is reduced and I was hoping to see this and am quite pleased about it.

Slapping on the antecubitals did bring up some new bruising yesterday, but very small bruises, less thanone half a centimeter and they did not linger and are gone today.

Also when I started all of this, my hands that did the slapping bruised some. I havent had any of that since after my first session.

I haven't been doing the stretching and wont today cause I wont be home. The stretchng is much harder for me and I have lots of mental resistance to it. I need to find a distraction for when Im doing it.... like I find it much easier to do the slapping when Im watching Netflix. The time speeds by, elsewise its pure mental drudgery. The place that I have to stretch isnt near the tv.

so I guess I succumb to laziness.

[NTEK]

The stretchng is much harder for me and I have lots of mental resistance to it. I need to find a distraction for when Im doing it.... like I find it much easier to do the slapping when Im watching Netflix. The time speeds by, elsewise its pure mental drudgery. The place that I have to stretch isnt near the tv.
so I guess I succumb to laziness.

Haha... its the opposite for me. I prefer stretching because all I have to do is to lye down and "enjoy" the "pain" :) I'm doing daily stretching of both legs and now at 17 mins each... aiming for 20 mins (for those who had tried, you will appreciate that additional 3 mins can feel like eon...!).

I played ancient classical Chinese music (i.e. Gu-qin, Gu-zheng, Er-hu, Pipa, Dizi) while i'm stretching and just let myself "follow" the music :music:

Before doing the lajin/stretching, I also did some warm up stretches, the type we do before we start jogging, to loosen up.

May I suggest playing some soft/new age music + simple pre-stretching before doing the lajin/stretching? And go easy on the duration the first few times, just do like 1~3 mins and then gradually lengthen.

For slapping... I confess... I'm lazy :P but i know i need to do them both for best results so will "Just Do It".

LoVE & LiGHT :wub:

[NTEK]

I need to find a distraction for when Im doing it.... like I find it much easier to do the slapping when Im watching Netflix. The time speeds by, elsewise its pure mental drudgery.



I played ancient classical Chinese music (i.e. Gu-qin, Gu-zheng, Er-hu, Pipa, Dizi) while i'm stretching and just let myself "follow" the music :music: May I suggest playing some soft/new age music + simple pre-stretching before doing the lajin/stretching?


I just watched another video where Master Xiao was in a China talkshow program. He mentioned that we should focus on the Lajin-Paida and not have distractions like watching TV or reading a novel because such activities will have a "discounting" effect on the healing process.

When we do Lajin-Paida with full concentration and we focus at the pain or problem area, our Qi will be focused there and healing results will be very much enhanced.

The talkshow host shared his own experience after he did Lajin-Paida, that when he slowed down his breathing, he felt the healing effect much better and Master Xiao concurred.

Hope this helps and I apologize if I had misled anyone. Alrighty... no music and full concentration for me :)

[NTEK]

Hi... for those who are interested:

Lajin-Paida seminar in Switzerland during month of August

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e8qm.html

Received good response from the Swiss medical, expat and business community after self-healing method speech in Germany and France. With much help from enthusiasts around Switzerland, the following seminars will be conducted. Any undetermined details will be posted once confirmed.

First Seminar 21.8. Sargans Kantonsschule
Dienstag, 21. August 2012
Zeit: 19.00 - 21.30 Uhr Eintritt frei - Kollekte
Ort: Aula der Kantonsschule Sargans
Pizolstrasse 14, 7320 Sargans
Kontaktperson: Rolf Roth
TCM Praxis Tian
Grossfeldstrasse 45
7320 Sargans
T: 081 534 37 97
M:076 576 55 05
www.tcmsargans.ch
info@tcmsargans.ch

Second Seminar 22.8. Einsiedeln
TBD

Third Seminar 23.8. Luzern, University
Datum: Donnerstag, 23. August 2012Zeit: 19.00 – 21.30 Uhr EINTRITT FREIOrt: Universität Luzern, Frohburgstrasse 3, Hörsaal 5
Kontaktperson:
Yan Amrein-Chen
China Health Institute
Traditionelle Chinesische Medizin (TCM)
Denkmalstr. 13
Eingang: Zürichstr. 16
6006 Luzern
Tel. 041 412 08 08
Fax 041 412 08 01
info@chi-luzern.ch
www.chi-luzern.ch

Fourth Seminar 24.8.
TBD

Fifth Seminar 25.8. Zürich
Time: 2012 Aug 25 Sat 14:00 - 17:00
Venue: Haus der Kulturen, Erismannstr. 6, 8004 Zürich
Language: Mandarin/English
Register：http://bit.ly/MbfxYe
Fees: 10CHF
Deadline: Register before 23rd August
Chinese Union of Zurich (CUZ)
cuzinfo@gmail.com
www.cuz-online.org

[Eram]

Thanks for all the updates NTEK and Arronwind.

I started with the stretching 5 days ago.
Pretty strong effects there.
This specific stretching is at the only place in my body that is as stiff as a board.
If I do normal stretching with the legs like bending forward and pointing the arm to the ground, I come halfway down between the knee and the feet with my hands... that's how stiff I am there.
Another thing... I have a tendency to lock my knees (weird) and after stretching my knees don't want to do that :), so this feels very good.

ehm... I only stretch for about 4 minutes each leg so far and I don't know if I have the stomach to do it 20 minutes for each leg.


I tried to tap at the joints for about 5 days.
Sebastion suggested that it would have the same effect and I'm sad to say that it doesn't. (I checked it in different ways)
So back to normal slapping again.

[NTEK]

ehm... I only stretch for about 4 minutes each leg so far and I don't know if I have the stomach to do it 20 minutes for each leg.


I had the same self-doubt when I know Master Xiao's mum do it for 40 mins...! Haha :P Just go slow my friend :) and diligently too!

Below is a summary of pointers I gathered after watching some of Master Xiao's Lajin-Paida videos and hope they can enhance our understanding/experience.


Master Xiao's points to note while doing Lajin-Paida:

1. Concentrate on pain area and don't get distracted.

2. For slapping, use solid straighten palm and not hollow curved palm as the latter's strength and Qi are weaker/discounted.

3. Ideal time to do stretching is in the morning where the Yang energy (阳气) is rising. If time doesn't permit, any time of day or night is fine.

4. It is best to close all windows, doors, fans, air-con, etc to avoid direct wind/breeze and be fully clothed while stretching or slapping as our pores are opened and may succumb to chills.

5. Under air-con environment, wear long pants and long sleeves to keep body warm. Roll up to slap and immediately unroll to keep warm.

6. Never shower/bath immediately after slapping or stretching. Wait - the longer the waiting interval the better.

7. As with any exercise, don't consume food immediately before or after stretching. Have an interval of 30 ~ 40 mins before or after.

8. After stretching/slapping, drink hot water or hot ginger red-date tea (http://www.best-dessert-recipes.com/red-dates-ginger-drink.html) - especially good for those who have weak Qi (i.e. cold hands/feet/tummy).


In addition, Master Xiao added that after a period of stretching/slapping, we may experience pain, sore, bloated, numb, itch, constricted, body spots, farting/pass motion (extremely smelly), belching/burping, phlegm, nauseous, drowsy, etc (气冲病灶).

All these are normal and is an indication that our Qi (气) has found our problem areas, known or unknown to us, and healing/detox is in process. All we need to do is to diligently continue stretching/slapping and let our Qi do the healing job.

Cheers! :)

[Arrowwind]

Well, I missed a couple of days... just to busy preparing for and doing the farmer's market. I suppose it will always be that way on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

I managed to do a short session Saturday night... and short isnt really short. 40 minutes to do four areas.

I did the anticubitals. When I started thay were completely clear of bruising. After the session there were bruises on both antcubitals, each about 1 inch across. Although I am slapping harder and longer than ever before, a full ten minutes, the bruising was significantly less than the first session.

The spleen 9 points did have major bruising from the first session and some of it was still present. Again some new bruising came up but in comparison, not much. Before the session I noted that the long term swelling to those points was practically non existant. The shape of my legs has really changed.

How do I feel? I have a lot of energy, even though Im having some major allergy issues with the hay harvest around here and I have to take zyrtec and use visine. Ive run out of alternative methods to control this issue. Working sinus points does nothing. Usually zyrtec knocks me flat and Im down for the count for a few hours each day, but not this time.

[NTEK]

How do I feel? I have a lot of energy, even though Im having some major allergy issues with the hay harvest around here and I have to take zyrtec and use visine. Ive run out of alternative methods to control this issue. Working sinus points does nothing. Usually zyrtec knocks me flat and Im down for the count for a few hours each day, but not this time.

That's great Arrowwind! Excellent!

Happy to hear about your progress and really looking forward to your updates :D

LoVE & LiGHT :wub:

[Demeisen]

I have tried the slapping 3 days now. I got some markings on my anticubitals after the first time. Is this method supposed to increase body heat production? It's making me feel uncomfortable and feverish. I'm going to discontinue now and see if things will improve.

[Ultima Thule]

I have tried the slapping 3 days now. I got some markings on my anticubitals after the first time. Is this method supposed to increase body heat production? It's making me feel uncomfortable and feverish. I'm going to discontinue now and see if things will improve.

What the method seems to be aiming at is removing Qi stagnation/blockage from where it usually is manifested - joints. Somebody earlier made references to Gua sha and dry cupping which are somewhat similar methods. The ideology can be thought of as enabling heat and stagnation to dissolve when the "markings" appear, that is aimed for in Gua sha therapy. Although the outlook might be gruesome, the feeling can be fantastic.

There is however something that I cannot wholeheartedly agree. When looking at the video interview at the point where the lady conducting the interview starts to slap herself and gets bruised, one trained in chinese medicine can quite easily suspect for her to have weak Spleen Qi, resulting very easily in bruising and hemorrhages. In biochemical terms this could be likened among other things to lack of vitamin C and possibly lack in a few essential amino-acids, leading to lack of collagen or weakness of it(a very usual pattern in western countries, in some cases can be termed subclinical scurvy). Therefore it is questionable imo to encourage her to slap herself in such a way and talk about heart meridian problems as she quite possibly will manifest similar bruising just about everywhere because the Qi in her tissues(muscle tone is weak + structure is weak) is not up to the task of protecting her veins.

So the ideology definitely has merit to it, but shouldn´t be "bought" without more extensive thinking of the chinese medicine ideology - or western or ayurvedic etc. for that matter. Over-simplification might occur that might be harmful for certain individuals.


UT

[Arrowwind]

There is however something that I cannot wholeheartedly agree. When looking at the video interview at the point where the lady conducting the interview starts to slap herself and gets bruised, one trained in chinese medicine can quite easily suspect for her to have weak Spleen Qi, resulting very easily in bruising and hemorrhages. In biochemical terms this could be likened among other things to lack of vitamin C and possibly lack in a few essential amino-acids, leading to lack of collagen or weakness of it(a very usual pattern in western countries, in some cases can be termed subclinical scurvy). Therefore it is questionable imo to encourage her to slap herself in such a way and talk about heart meridian problems as she quite possibly will manifest similar bruising just about everywhere because the Qi in her tissues(muscle tone is weak + structure is weak) is not up to the task of protecting her veins.

So the ideology definitely has merit to it, but shouldn´t be "bought" without more extensive thinking of the chinese medicine ideology - or western or ayurvedic etc. for that matter. Over-simplification might occur that might be harmful for certain individuals.


UT

I agree. If one has a history of symptoms like easily bruising it might be better to fortify the system with something first.... but on the other hand could not the blockages in energy have anything to do with why routine bruising easily for the person is happening in the first place?
It was mentioned that such blockages can impede utilization of nutrients so it may be appropriate to try to eliminate the blockages as soon as possible.
I suppose it would depend to what degree the resultant bruising is from the from slapping to determine if one should try to fortify with nutrients first.

I have had issues with bruising easily in the past. I resolved it quickly with homeoapthy.... like almost over night. Homeopathy is noted for removing blockages in the energy field. So maybe with this slapping method of blockage removal it still might be the best course of treatment?

[Arrowwind]

I have tried the slapping 3 days now. I got some markings on my anticubitals after the first time. Is this method supposed to increase body heat production? It's making me feel uncomfortable and feverish. I'm going to discontinue now and see if things will improve.

If you are getting a lot of heat I would intrepret that as a release of stored up heat and view it as a good thing. Did you bruise? yes, you said some. I would keep doing it and look for the heat to dissapate over the next few days. Just like some people have too much cold, or damp, some have too much heat

[NTEK]

I have tried the slapping 3 days now. I got some markings on my anticubitals after the first time. Is this method supposed to increase body heat production? It's making me feel uncomfortable and feverish. I'm going to discontinue now and see if things will improve.

If you are getting a lot of heat I would intrepret that as a release of stored up heat and view it as a good thing. Did you bruise? yes, you said some. I would keep doing it and look for the heat to dissapate over the next few days. Just like some people have too much cold, or damp, some have too much heat


I agree with Arrowwind :)

[Ultima Thule]

There is however something that I cannot wholeheartedly agree. When looking at the video interview at the point where the lady conducting the interview starts to slap herself and gets bruised, one trained in chinese medicine can quite easily suspect for her to have weak Spleen Qi, resulting very easily in bruising and hemorrhages. In biochemical terms this could be likened among other things to lack of vitamin C and possibly lack in a few essential amino-acids, leading to lack of collagen or weakness of it(a very usual pattern in western countries, in some cases can be termed subclinical scurvy). Therefore it is questionable imo to encourage her to slap herself in such a way and talk about heart meridian problems as she quite possibly will manifest similar bruising just about everywhere because the Qi in her tissues(muscle tone is weak + structure is weak) is not up to the task of protecting her veins.

So the ideology definitely has merit to it, but shouldn´t be "bought" without more extensive thinking of the chinese medicine ideology - or western or ayurvedic etc. for that matter. Over-simplification might occur that might be harmful for certain individuals.


UT

I agree. If one has a history of symptoms like easily bruising it might be better to fortify the system with something first.... but on the other hand could not the blockages in energy have anything to do with why routine bruising easily for the person is happening in the first place?
It was mentioned that such blockages can impede utilization of nutrients so it may be appropriate to try to eliminate the blockages as soon as possible.
I suppose it would depend to what degree the resultant bruising is from the from slapping to determine if one should try to fortify with nutrients first.

I have had issues with bruising easily in the past. I resolved it quickly with homeoapthy.... like almost over night. Homeopathy is noted for removing blockages in the energy field. So maybe with this slapping method of blockage removal it still might be the best course of treatment?

I agree that it is possible that the system gets fortified by slapping so that the central nervous system, mainly cerebellum can develope a stronger and more coherent impulse to create proper muscle tone and therefore protect the veins better. On the other hand the bruising may very well be from lack of nutrition as I wrote and that won´t be fixing with slapping so much as with eating the needed nutrients to provide body with the goods to produce collagen. As I said, this ideology definitely has merit to it, but should be taken in with consideration.

UT

[Eram]

The stretching feels pretty good afterwards.
If you consider that I locked my knees all my life while standing, am stiff as a board there and have had several times where I had problems with the knees... it's easy to figure, that I have blocked 'Chi' in that area.
more then one person has told me that my legs have a low flow of energy and I can feel it myself too.

So now that I do the stretching, it feels great (more energy, knees and legs feel much more alive and relaxed), but there is one thing:

I have this very nervous energy rushing through me ever since I started.
It's keeping me from sleeping properly (tossing and turning) and I have difficulty in relaxing during the day.
It goes from the stomach upwards to the chest, throat and head. Very buzzing, vibrant, nervous energy.


When I turn inward and ask myself what's happening, I get the answer that it's a healing in process, but it's driving me nuts!
anyone who understands what's happening, or how I can relax some more?

[Ilie Pandia]

When I turn inward and ask myself what's happening, I get the answer that it's a healing in process, but it's driving me nuts!
anyone who understands what's happening, or how I can relax some more?

What I find it helps in my case is not to fight it, but rather stay with it, pay attention to it, be aware of it.

Awareness is always good, but sometimes the mind gets bored and so I fall asleep. Maybe it works in your case as well :).

[Eram]

When I turn inward and ask myself what's happening, I get the answer that it's a healing in process, but it's driving me nuts!
anyone who understands what's happening, or how I can relax some more?

What I find it helps in my case is not to fight it, but rather stay with it, pay attention to it, be aware of it.

Awareness is always good, but sometimes the mind gets bored and so I fall asleep. Maybe it works in your case as well :).

Thank you for the advice and I will definitely try it.
Can't believe why I didn't think of that myself :doh:
I will do it during the day time any way... see what happens.

So you have the same thing going on then?

[Ilie Pandia]

No, not at this time :)

I dd experience similar stuff last year and this is what I did.

[GarethBKK]

Thank you all for this thread. I was procrastinating over trying this but the promise of 'beautiful results' when slapping for constipation is appealing. By the way, Hongchi Xiao's name in Chinese is 萧宏慈 which can widen the search for videos and images, even if you can't read the text.

The technique looks to be a more violent form of 'tapping', which I was introduced to last month, but haven't really taken to.

[NTEK]

Greetings...

Below is an entry from Master Xiao's blog and details the entire process of poison blood emergence and dissolution. Testimonial was provided by two members of Hainan (China) Lajin-Paida campers "Phoenix" & "Fish":


The whole process of poison blood emergence to waning via slapping - Pictures illustration (Part 1)

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e2i0.html

Many people think that the appearance of 痧 (sha) "poison blood" is because of ruptured blood vessels after slapping. In fact, the presence of poison blood is detoxification and toxin is discharged through our pores, urine, tears, nasal mucus, sputum, sweat, oral and nasal breathing, etc.

The word 痧 (sha) is only found in the Chinese language and illustrates the greatness and wisdom of our ancestors.

There are also a handful of people who really bleed while slapping and this is a good thing as it indicates better efficacy. Those who bleed at the elbow during slapping experience immediate decrease in their blood pressure and immediately alleviate any chest tightness or dizziness.

Slapping psoriasis affected area until area break with pus, bleeding, or liquid is even better. After scab formed, the skin will be totally healed.

Thanks to Fish and Phoenix for the pictures illustration and explanation.
 

Teacher Xiao,
These are pictures of a friend who slapped her elbow for a cumulative 51 minutes and the photos showed the whole process of poison blood appearance to dissolution of about 80% of the poison blood.

This set of pictures is helpful in understanding that the poison blood appearing during slapping is not due to ruptured blood vessels. Many friends are worried about slapping rupturing blood vessels and this set of pictures illustrates that poison blood is body's garbage rather than ruptured blood vessels.

The experience by most people when slapping their elbows indicate, using general slapping intensity, slapping for 20 mins is the optimal/peak period for poison blood emergence, continue slapping 30 mins later and we can see poison blood starting to subside/dissolve, and when slapping reached 60 mins, basically almost 80 - 90% of poison blood will dissolve/subside.

For first timers, if time allow, I will strive to slap for 60 mins to fully experience the entire process so that they will understand the whole process of poison blood and laid to rest all doubts of ruptured blood vessels.

Grateful that you taught us such a good health care treatment method.
 
I wish everything goes well
Hainan Lajin-Paida camp members
Phoenix, Fish
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Attached pictures show the process of poison blood receding

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After 5 mins - faint poison blood can be seen

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After 10 mins - emergence of poison blood

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After 13 mins - increase in poison blood

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After 17 mins - continue emergence of poison blood

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After 22 mins - peak emergence of poison blood

Due to attachment limitation, continue on next post.

[NTEK]

The whole process of poison blood emergence to waning via slapping - Pictures illustration (Part 2)

Source: http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5dc946a60102e2i0.html


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After 31 mins - Because continued slapping increases Yang Qi (Yang energy) and it slowly dissolved the poison blood.

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After 37 mins - big patches of poison blood subsided, becoming small

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After 51 mins - most poison blood had subsided, only very small patches remained

(These series of pictures clearly illustrates the entire poison blood emergence and dissolution process, verifying the presence of poison blood by slapping is not the result of ruptured blood vessels. If blood vessels were really ruptured, the "bruising" will only get more serious with time and not subside/dissolve. After 80 mins of slapping, the greenish poison blood can hardly be seen and only some reddish spots remain).

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After 3 days - only some faint red spots remain
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As illustrated in the pictures, the "poison blood" is very different from the bruising we normally know. Hope this post can help to enhance our understanding of Paida.

Cheers! :)

[Arrowwind]

I agree that it is possible that the system gets fortified by slapping so that the central nervous system, mainly cerebellum can develope a stronger and more coherent impulse to create proper muscle tone and therefore protect the veins better. On the other hand the bruising may very well be from lack of nutrition as I wrote and that won´t be fixing with slapping so much as with eating the needed nutrients to provide body with the goods to produce collagen. As I said, this ideology definitely has merit to it, but should be taken in with consideration.

UT

Proper muscle tone will not protect these vessels that are being slapped in my estimation. They seem to be surface vessels, not vessels lodged in muscle tissue.

Better nutrition will only help if there is a true deficiency... that is, one is not consuminig the needed mineral or vitamin at all or in a normal quantity.
What I have noted over the years is that a nutritional deficiency can occur even if the person is eating the right things. The origin of the problem lies in the function of the organs, not in what is consumed. Yes, you can power over it by eating tons of the thing one is deficient in but it does not truly address the problem, a malfunction in the metabolic pathway within organ systems, and even in the blood.
In acupuncture energy blockage is considered the cause of such malfunction, therefore eliminating the blockage could eliminate the deficiency. Master Hangchi Xiao has said in one of his films that if there is energy blockage the nutrition will not be good and malnutrition can become a problem.

But of course this can all lead us into chinese herbology... although the herbs are considered medicine many are also nutritional, providing minerals and vitamins that the diet may be lacking. The best example of a nutritive herb that I can think of is horsetail (and there are many others) that is abundant in silica and the plant is used both in european and chinese medicine to build the vascular system. It heals because it provides the essential mineral in ample supply.

Traditionally acupuncture and chinese medicine (which is mostly herbology) have gone hand in hand, and this slapping techique deviates from this tradition because the herbology does not seem to be taught also. ... and the lack of this herbology knowledge is the downfall of acupuncture in the USA and much of it has been turned into a mickey mouse therapy. ... so to me this Pai-di therapy is not complete and will have limitations to what it can effectively treat.

[NTEK]

Good news!

Master Xiao's English site:

http://www.paidalajin.com/en/home/

You can find many useful stuff there like "Successful Cases", "FAQ", "Hot Videos", etc and can even email them your queries or share your experiences!

Enjoy! :wub:

[Violet]

You all might be interested in Gua Sha. Nenuphar, have a google of it and it will explain something to you about stagnation of chi and surface reactions.

those red marks reminds me of a similar technique my grandmother used,but she used a glass, a match to take away the air and something else inside, i don't remember what

That's cupping.

Thanks ts for this very interesting topic!

By the way I wonder if we can find a source where connections are drawn out clearly. I tried searching online but :(

From the video we already know that left arm is connected to the heart. Hands to constipation.

Didn't get the knees, head and the feet though...

[Violet]

Good news!

Master Xiao's English site:

http://www.paidalajin.com/en/home/

You can find many useful stuff there like "Successful Cases", "FAQ", "Hot Videos", etc and can even email them your queries or share your experiences!

Enjoy! :wub:

Thank you so much :clap2:

:violin:

[Jean-Luc]

Good news!

Master Xiao's English site:

http://www.paidalajin.com/en/home/

You can find many useful stuff there like "Successful Cases", "FAQ", "Hot Videos", etc and can even email them your queries or share your experiences!

Enjoy! :wub:

Impressive website...

Not sure many Swiss locals will turn up here http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/Flyer%20for%2025.08.2012.pdf in 2 weeks time :),

but the website is definitely worth a visit!

Of special interest, these 2 PDF's

http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-Dao%20La-Jin%20%26%20Pai-Da%20Self-Healing%20Techniques.pdf

http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-Dao%20Manual%20of%20Pai-Da%20And%20La-Jin%20Self-Healing%20Techniques.pdf

[Timreh]

I tried stretches and patting/slapping (inside of elbow) for just over a week..
My work hrs were all over the place and I found it hard to stick to a routine and slacked off

Without being aware of any significant illness or injury it was difficult to gauge results..
With the slapping the bruising began to decrease after the 2nd day and all but dissapeared after the 3rd.
Verdict.. Inclusive as I don't think i gave it a fair go..
Still a very interesting thread!

[TOTHE]

Man. Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then he dies having never really lived.
-The Dalai Lama, when asked what surprised him the most about humanity

[Timreh]

Of special interest, these 2 PDF's

http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-...Techniques.pdf (http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-Dao%20La-Jin%20%26%20Pai-Da%20Self-Healing%20Techniques.pdf)

http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-...Techniques.pdf (http://upload.edao-global.net/pdf/E-Dao%20Manual%20of%20Pai-Da%20And%20La-Jin%20Self-Healing%20Techniques.pdf)

Thanks Jean-Luc some great info/illustrations on those PDF's, have downloaded..
I am beginning to think you work for adobe?

[shadowstalker]

Don't know if this has been posted before but here you go..

Megawatts1066
Uploaded on May 27, 2010
Hongchi Xiao discusses with Anne Margrethe Hess of the Home Planet Network, He illustrates various types of healing, and simple techniques to help oneself, at the Beyond 2012 conference in the Newton Hotel, Nairn, Inverness, Scotland.
Intro Music nickashron.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ColmTrUsFXI

[ThePythonicCow]

Don't know if this has been posted before but here you go..
An old favorite around here :).

It's been posted nine times before, including twice as the opening post of a new thread.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hongchi Xiao skipped the explanation above facts and just showed quick self-healing techniques that everybody can use. It definitely makes sense. Some of meditation centers do those types of stuff: stretching, petting body parts before and after the session. Hongchi Xiao nailed on why it heals body.

Dear Avalon,

Many of you must have seen this video, but I imagine few of you ever tried his method and even less of you more then a few times.

This guy invented a simple method that takes you only about 10 minutes a day in which you bring your body in harmony with nature. This is how the body is supposed to be.

Don't know if this has been posted before but here you go..
I merged the three threads that featured this video in the opening post.

[Hughe]

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[Red20]

Thank you for sharing this self healing technique. I have been doing this now for 1 week. I have been chronically sick for over 13 years. I used to be an elite athlete until I came down with a flu-like illness and have never been the same. I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Osteoporosis, Hypercoagulation and EBV.

I recently found out I am positive for Lyme Disease and Trichothecene Mycotoxins from mold. Does anyone know if Paida Lajin also heals diseases like these?

[NTEK]

Thank you for sharing this self healing technique. I have been doing this now for 1 week. I have been chronically sick for over 13 years. I used to be an elite athlete until I came down with a flu-like illness and have never been the same. I have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Osteoporosis, Hypercoagulation and EBV.

I recently found out I am positive for Lyme Disease and Trichothecene Mycotoxins from mold. Does anyone know if Paida Lajin also heals diseases like these?

Hi Red20,

Following Master Xiao's frequent reminder of "Forget the diseases' name", just concentrate on clearing the meridian blockages via paida & lajin and body will self heal.

Cheers :)

[Fox]

Red20, your ailments are nearly the same as my mothers, she is suffering. She got sick when I was around 10 (and I'm 26 now). I'm rooting for both of you with all of my heart. She is not open to anything outside of doctors and medicine (which don't help her at all) and she is recovering from breast cancer. I would be very much pleased if you would share your progress in whatever it is you try, so that if you find something that helps your symptoms (fibromyalgia especially) I could try and convince her to try a new alternative.

Sorry if this is forward, but I felt I had to ask.
-Donny

[yuhui]

There are definitely true TCM teachers out there but this guy is just a swindler:

'Slapping therapist' jailed for at least seven years for manslaughter of six-year-old boy https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/dec/13/slapping-therapist-jailed-for-at-least-seven-years-for-manslaughter-of-six-year-old-boy