Inelia's full interview now published

[Bill Ryan]

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Dear Friends,

My full interview (1 hr 43 mins) with Inelia is edited and published. We're ready to go now.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w


A comment I'd like to make: for some, watching this entire video from beginning to end may be a transformational event. Don't be surprised if you find yourself feeling emotional, moved, inspired, elevated, or having new realizations about yourself, about reality, or about any aspect of what's going on in the world. This is the territory we're in here.

video download: (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_interview_May_2011.mp4) (MP4, 346 Mb)
audio download: (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_interview_May_2011.mp3) (MP3, 72 Mb)

Many of you already know that there's a new website (www.bill.inelia.com (http://bill.inelia.com)) to support this work. Do take a look.

Enjoy it all. :)

Warmest wishes, Bill

[cloud9]

Thank you very much Bill, this is amazing for all of us who are not able to attend the seminars. Have a nice night!

[Flasky]

Goodnight Bill, thank you for all your hard work!

[Davidallany]

Dear Bill, thank you and Inelia for all the tremendous efforts. May all your wishes come true.

[kimmie]

Thank you Bill and Inelia for sharing this to the world. The 15 minute trailer was so insightful already. I'm excited to see the full interview... can't wait for it to finish loading... Have a wonderful night and sweet dreams!

[bilko]

Thank you Bill and Inelia
Thank You!
Rest and enjoy, love and live.

I too am off to bed but i shall be watching this first thing with my brecky.
God bless you both.

[ArjunaArcana]

Gotta work tomorrow, but cant go to sleep because of this interview. ;)

[DualTone]

Thank you Bill and Inelia. Downloading now ...

[fifi]

Hi Bill,

I have been waiting for this important interview. It is released exactly on the 3rd Day of the Universal 9th Wave (May 20th, 2011). Other sites also say that May 21, 2011 is an important day as more transformative portals opening up.

Most appreciated.
With Love and Respect,
Fifi

[jcocks]

I think I got the message in a dream last night that there was a video that I really had to see on the internet. I'm guessing this would be it, so I'm waiting with baited breath :)

I must say it's funny though.... Many are saying that this is the "bill and inelia show"... but it's not. It's much bigger than that. It may be bill and inelia doing the work now... but we're ALL needed to learn the material and spread the message. Two people can only do so much.

And to bill and inelia : Thank you for laying the groundwork. Keep on doing what you are doing :) But it's only the beginning. It's up to us to put the information to work in our communities.

To this end, bill - do you think you might be able to record a few seminars that you do for those of us who won't have the luxury of a local seminar to attend? Made available with the proviso that "it's not to be kept to yourself, but shared with others". It's about time we all started planting some more seeds.

I feel I probably have a lot of this information inside me already, it's just awaiting that "key" that will help unlock it..... And I want to help - I've wanted to ever since the late 90's when I first awakened, but the "new-age / ascention movement" of the day wasn't the right vehicle...

It's like your old ideas of "ground crews" you had going on your old board, and my idea of "the game", which I created a thread about late last year .... but vastly expanded.

Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself by kilometers. I'll be back in touch once I've seen the full interview :D

[Artemesia]

Thank you Bill and Inelia SO much.

I am so grateful to have found you and that you both have found one another to help spearhead some of the most important work I've ever come across. Brilliant. I look forward to hearing the interview and hopefully attending the October seminar.

These days, its getting easier to remember that, "every little thing we do is magic."

Namaste

[Bill Ryan]

Many are saying that this is the "bill and inelia show"... but it's not. It's much bigger than that. It may be bill and inelia doing the work now... but we're ALL needed to learn the material and spread the message.

No, it's not the Bill and Inelia show. :) And Camelot wasn't the Bill and Kerry show, either. Kerry and I always bent over backwards to spotlight, draw attention to, and honor others - who were the real heroes.

In this case, the subject is different. You, reading this, may be the hero - and maybe you don't know it yet.

This is the message - and we're just two of a large number of messengers.

And actually, it's not about heroism (which is a function of ego and vulnerable humanity: I was using that as a loose figure of speech) - it's about what we can do together to clean up Planet Earth, optimize the experience we have on the timeline of our creation or choice, and learn as much as possible in the process that will enable us to play much better games in the future.

[slipknotted]

doesnt play ? never mind good night it was still uploading

[ThePythonicCow]

doesnt play ?

It seems that Youtube has not finished processing it (as of the time I am posting this.)

[DeDukshyn]

Crap, where'd that infinite patience of mine go? It's taking forever ....

[nearing]

Yeah! In time for the weekend!

Thanks Bill.

[cloud9]

Crap! I've been waiting for more than two hours and youtube says it is still processing...
no way, it's 2 a.m. now and I need some sleep... it has to wait till tomorrow night.

[soulsinger]

Oh, I am so looking forward to this. Eep! :)

[fifi]

If you can't wait to download the video, just listen to the audio. I cannot open MP4 anyway, so I open the audio download (MP3). I feel so happy after listening to the message. "We are going to make it".

[mymoonlightshines]

thank you bill and inelia! I have been waiting to see this

[ndroock1]

Bill,

I know of one Spiritual Being that is widely known as "Source" ( and I think you owe a lot to him too ). Anyway, I read the following on ( http://bill.inelia.com/about-us.html ):

"On January 2010, she received a request from "Source" to go public, which she has done. "

Who is "Source" in this context??
( edit: Is answered in the video at around 1:14 with "The Ultimate Unity")

Does this imply that Inelia acts as an interface between "Source" and us ?

I am about to watch the video but I when I read about this alleged contact with "Source" I became somewhat... skeptical.

I am not waiting for yet another ( David-Icke-type-of ) person speaking down to us from an ivory tower, not even if it comes with a beautiful smile. Just because he / she "knows it all" because of an alleged unverifiable connection with a God ( that doesn't exist anyway ).

nilo

final edit:

I have watched the entire interview. forget the questions, they have been answered.

Inelia has a clear message. I had a feeling it would be one of Bill's best interviews ever, and think it is. As for Inelia's message I understand it but what she says is not new to me at all, I have known many people like Inelia. ( Wish I knew where they are now. )

[gigha]

Awesome thank you both.. :)

will have to watch it again.. i think each time there will be a different message. xx

[Gustav]

A well earned sleep indeed, the trailer was intruiging, the full vid that is downloading now should be better. I am going to watch it in the garden. In the sun, in nature. Already love it. Thank you very much Inelia and Bill.

[Muzz]

Many thanks to the both of you. :)

[Anna]

Dear Bill and Inelia,

Thank you very much for this wonderful interview.
It gave me an physical, emotional and spiritual boost confirming that Source exists.
Something I needed to hear in this rather confusing stage of my life; most of the time I feel lost.
I am looking forward to a seminar.

Hug from Anna

[Anchor]

Bill,

I know of one Spiritual Being that is widely known as "Source" ( and I think you owe a lot to him too ). Anyway, I read the following on ( http://bill.inelia.com/about-us.html ):

"On January 2010, she received a request from "Source" to go public, which she has done. "

Who is "Source" in this context??

Does this imply that Inelia acts as an interface between "Source" and us ?

I am about to watch the video but I when I read about this alleged contact with "Source" I became somewhat... skeptical.

I am not waiting for yet another ( David-Icke-type-of ) person speaking down to us from an ivory tower, not even if it comes with a beautiful smile. Just because he / she "knows it all" because of an alleged unverifiable connection with a God ( that doesn't exist anyway ).

nilo

Don't overdo it.

Every source of information should be discriminated before assimilated.

Its that simple.

We are all different, we are all at a different viewpoint.

Occasionally some information wont resonate with you - and you should simply let it go.

Sometimes you will remember it later and then you may see that it meant something different to what you thought the first time around.

Its ok to do all this. Its ok to be your own person with your own views.

This video/audio will be understood in as many ways as there are people who listen to it.

You will find clusters of understanding however, these are formed based on lines of force - like iron filings jumping into a magnetic field from the magnet held under the paper. That said, these clusters are not better or worse than those who take an individual stance!

Loved your post.

I'm still downloading :)

John..

[ktlight]

I seen the video, and I was supposed to. Very interesting stuff.

However, Bill, can you divulge more about the Arbiter, please, unless you cannot?

[wegge]

thumbs up for the squirrels ;)

[norman]

Inelia seems very real to me.

Looks like I need to stop packing for leaving, after all this time.

My fear has become a lifestyle.

I found Project Camelot 5 years ago because I was fear orientated. Wonderful irony.

[Midnight Rambler]

Thank you very much Bill and Inelia. This is an important post ;)

But seriously, this will really help my personal development, judging from the trailer.

And I think I/we can make more sense of my/ourself and our world/my time-line.

[mosquito]

I've just this minute finished watching the truly wonderful interview.
Thank you Inelia, thank you Bill.
It was so synchronistic, I resonated with so much of what Inelia said, I kept saying "I know that", It was like sitting in front of a mirror which was reminding me of all the things I know and feel but have somehow or other forgotten ! So many of Inelias descriptions clarified images I had in my mind.

Time to process and let go of the fear of being who we truly are.
Love, Philip

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

I know of one Spiritual Being that is widely known as "Source" ( and I think you owe a lot to him too ). Anyway, I read the following on ( http://bill.inelia.com/about-us.html ):

"On January 2010, she received a request from "Source" to go public, which she has done. "

Who is "Source" in this context??

When Inelia refers to 'Source", she's referring to Unity, Oneness, The Divinity, the Godhead, All-that-is, Omni... words are inadequate. In the days of the est training, Werner Erhard used to call it Everything-Nothing. It's not a being. It's an ultimate beingness. (This is my best shot!)


Does this imply that Inelia acts as an interface between "Source" and us ?

Yes. But Inelia doesn't call any shots. She's a messenger - as she says in the interview, a kind of human lens, a focusing function.

As I explained above, words rapidly become inadequate - as every philosopher and mystic who has ever lived will attest. But I can absolutely vouch for the fact that there's an experience available, through Inelia, of something very remarkable and exceptional. The least we can say is that whatever Inelia is doing or being, it benefits people, sometimes significantly.

And again, as the interview stated, it's a commentary on our 'fallen state' as beaten-up old souls, who have long ago forgotten most of who they are or what's really going on, that we think any of this is remarkable in any way.

Inelia is not really remarkable at all: she's only remarkable compared to most other humans. It's a golden opportunity for us to look in the mirror and consider who we really are. The opportunity she offers is that all that she describes can once again become normal.

[ExHaLaTiON]

Thank you Inelia and you Bill. Very fascinating indeed!

[kevlor]

brilliant, and fantastic news. thank you bill and inelia

[SEAM]

Atomic transition, a Quantum jump, or Quantum leap...
Quantum Jumping...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_electron_transition

[Adi]

The feeling I get about Inelia is that she is somewhat of a spokesperson for the the beings like her, for me she has created so much clarity to the whole understanding of beings of her nature who have incarnated at this time on Earth. Inelia definitely delivers that feeling of assurance and the fact that there is good guys here doing very important work. That is such a good feeling to have I cant emphasize it at this time.

Inelia is another piece to the puzzle and a piece that certainly stands out to me and gives me assurance, thanks Inelia and Bill such fine consistent souls.

Adi

[norman]

On thinking about what Inelia says about simply focusing on someone...

There are a lot scenarios in this world where large numbers of people 'focus' on individuals. We do it with Pop stars, film stars, polititions and even Bill Ryan at times.

I wonder what sort of effect this is having?

[Tony]

Dear Inelia and Bill,

It is difficult to know how to respond to the interview.
We all have different backgrounds, so our responses will interpret
differently or misinterpret. I am concerned about over active responses,
which might cause a distraction in the collective consciousness.

I agree whole heartily with the sentiment. Is there more detailed information
to come? For a NEW beginning, people need a firm foundation, one
where they can feel absolutely confident. So confident that they can truly
support those around them. Without subtle manipulation.

Total clarity is needed, nothing left to interpretation. No mystery. If things
are left slightly vague that can be used to manipulate others. That is what
got us to where we are today.

Does free will mean, leaving things to interpretation?

People need to know the steps to spiritual development. I emphasise steps.
Just believing is not enough.

Also people need to know how to take to care for the body, in view of the
oncoming turmoil. Even if one doesn't care about the body,
there will be people around that do care.

Spiritually I have no problem, totally happy! I rely on the Dharma totally,
but I also question it.

I will be getting a hole dug in the side of a hill, putting a caravan wrapped in wire in it!
With six months of provisions for two...or more!
Just incase it is needed!!!

This is the time to be honest, to know what satisfies and what does not.
You are both seem to be privy to information we do not have. Can you
divulge everything you know, now?

To do what we have to do we need all the information and real knowledge possible.

The good seed is our future. With no FEAR.

Kind regards
pie'n'eal........I mean Tony.

[Intraphase]

thumbs up for the squirrels ;)


:meeting::crazy_pilot::meeting:

I noticed that too; at 01:36:16.
A very distinct "Stop staring at my ass."
Probably somebody's future self, body jumping a squirrel's time slice.
Bullwinkle and Rocky don't talk like that; because they have "Manners!"


:tea:
:washing:



Awesome Presentation.:thumb:
I'm glad The Evil One was smart and chose clemency.
Sets a good example for all the minor principalities and powers.

[PegasusRising]

Thank you Bill and Inelia for inspiring me! I felt a strong resonance with what was said in the video.

[butcherman]

the plot thickens, show me more, very inspiring

Butcherman

[ghostrider]

an energy came into the room that I haven't felt or seen in twenty years, thank you just doesn't do justice, when divine energy is allowed to merge with your soul, you will never be the same. oneness to the world...

[000]

Excellent!!!

If there are no objections, Bill, Inelia, I would like to give this interview some exposure on my blog (http://m4nd4l4.net) (followed mostly by open minded musicians) within a post also including a lecture from Ingo Swann at IRVA 2006 (http://t.co/gTBIa8k) and also one from Dr. Harold Puthoff (http://t.co/wLgVsMa).

[firstlook]

Thanks Bill and Inelia. Look forward to taking the information in. I have a feeling this will be a unique interview.

Peace :)

[motherlove]

Well done and thank you both.

[Bill Ryan]

an energy came into the room that I haven't felt or seen in twenty years, thank you just doesn't do justice, when divine energy is allowed to merge with your soul, you will never be the same.

That's the kind of wonderful feedback that makes everything worth while. Thank you so much! :)

And remember: if you (anyone reading this) had that kind of experience, it's got something very much to do with you. You must have been in exactly the right 'place' for this to occur.



I seen the video, and I was supposed to. Very interesting stuff.

However, Bill, can you divulge more about the Arbiter, please, unless you cannot?

Yes, this is another interesting story. He and I worked closely together in England in the early 90s.

His 'arbiter' self-description was after he realized that his purpose here was to be a kind of referee to ensure fair play and a better game - exactly as Inelia describes in her interview..

I remember clearly when he realized all this, and fully recovered all his abilities. I asked him what he was going to do. "I'm going to pick up the ball and run with it", he replied.

He took this on board as his principal purpose, and quietly and with absolutely no fuss did an enormous amount behind the scenes, resolving situations of all kinds and removing blocks in the free flow of energy and communication all over the world.

Like Inelia, his attention would lock on to something, and that alone told him it was important. He would then focus on that situation, and it would resolve.

He handled situations by freeing beings - sometimes very large and powerful ones - remotely and instantly. He would tell me of things that he had helped to resolve, and then they'd show up in the news the next day.

He was also a healer, an inventor, an engineer, an artist, and a writer - one of the most prodigiously talented people I've ever met. I seriously considered that he might have been Leonardo, and he did not deny the possibility (though at the same time he said - as David Wilcock does about Edgar Cayce - that it wasn't at all important).

He was insistent that he was not unique, and there were many other 'arbiters' - though he did not know who they were. He said that that, too, did not matter. All he had to focus on was his own job.

He was unlike Inelia inasmuch as he was not at all new here - he was a very 'old soul'. And he absolutely never wanted to go public in any way.

"It's a stealth mission", he would say, and only two or three close friends ever knew what he was doing. But he had done an enormous amount over many years to restore and regain his perceptions and his abilities. Proof that what Inelia maintains is exactly correct: we can all do this.

[John Parslow]

Dear Bill

Thank you so much for the excellent video, I feel very honoured to have watched Inelia who is an amazingly honest and open being. I, like so many others am so looking forward to future presentations ...

Wishing you both love, peace and success. JP :cool:

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

Thank you. I appreciate Inelia stepping forward at this time. From my brief meeting with her, I know that she is not about "ego" or attention. She is about as far from a "guru" type as I could imagine! She is offering information now that many of us need and respond to. Much love to Inelia and Bill. Namaste.

[Jeffrey]

What a wonderful video. Great, positive vibes. Refreshing and reinforcing a resonance I have been struggling in growing towards for a long time now. Thank you, sincerely.

Much Love,

Vivek

[phillipbbg]

Just a Humble thank you to Bill, Inelia and the Squirrel in the park behind Inelia ...

[Gaia]

Wonderful video ! I watched it a second time and learned much more than my first viewing...It's so refreshing to see that there are conscious people out ...... Awesome !!!

[Swanette]

Inelia and Bill,

Thank you , thank you and thank you ! I have just seen the video and this finally confirms many things for me on many levels. Three cheers for all the 'Catalysts' helping here in our world and beyond!:cheer2::cheer2:

[Seikou-Kishi]

Thanks for this Bill and Inelia. I really enjoyed watching it. It's good that such a nice referee should pop over when a few people are cheating :-)

[christian]

nice vibes :)

[Davidallany]

Just listening to Inelia, and seeing her have raised my vibrations and tuned them.

[ovis]

Bill,

Had the urgency of Inelia contacting you got also something to do with the most significant topic on this forum/site previous namely the 33 and Charles ?

I can imagine you can not yet speak about it or maybe waiting to be asked.

All my love

Ovis

PS Inelia, Source has just one more allies

[Deedee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUK6Qki0UoI&feature=player_embedded

[Deedee]

I published the above post without seeing the video.... I had a dream of Inelia and me as friendly "equals"... Take this for what it's worth... I don't care!!!!

[Deedee]

Our true ancestors are the Dragons and they love us!

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Another theme that raises so many issues is the great divide of beliefs over the development and use of technology. With billions of people entranced and dependent upon the sounds and images that technology supplies, what are these people really thinking? Agreements from the inner world manifest in the outer world. On one level, the presence of technology signals that a massive reorganization of thought is occurring inside humanity. Yet technology has its costs; its powers must be used wisely and kept in balance. Technology is a massive thought-form that belongs to something called the kingdom of machines. This is a collection of energy with its own consciousness, yet ever dependent upon others to build it into reality. In the past 500 years, machines have steadily entered the material world, altering the mind and changing the landscape. In just over 50 years, machines have steered awareness away from the sacred and into irreverence. Now with the next major escalation in technological possibilities sitting on the horizon, the techno divide will widen. Those who are so eager to believe that they rush forward in unbridled exuberance; most of the new technologies will not lead to a safer and better life.



A multibillion dollar industry has already been built around people locking their attention to machines. Millions of people escape physical reality by spending a good part of their lives playing online games in virtual worlds where cartoonlike characters and avatars replace the unique sensations of actually being in a body. Who owns and influences the new digital soul? What happens to the characters that are fed by human attention? Humanity builds things in the outer world to understand both the larger cosmos and what is occurring internally. You must question the game you are playing and how you are being played in the game of consciousness. As a planet, you will have great debates about the new technologies and where things are going. Do you really want the global positioning system to track every one of your footprints? Small gadgets serving as personal computers pave the way for smaller and faster technologies to become the norm. Once people line up to be chipped with computer technology, the divide will be massive between those under the influence of machines and those who choose to dwell in the natural world. Great dependence upon technology can quicken ignorance of the natural world, and without a deeply respectful relationship with Nature you cannot survive. Behind the scenes, where scientists have developed technologies that seem to supersede your time by thousands of years, multilayered plans exist for introducing electronics to the human mind in precise stages. Where did that technology come from, and why is it being kept secret? In a timely manner, the new advanced technologies will be revealed to a world already rallying for change.



On the countdown to 2012, another theme calls for humanity to face the shadow of its collective experiences and to do so without fear. People will be compelled to look at the underworld, for there is more underground than secret world government complexes. Consider the adage “as above, so below”. Just as you are below to what is above, you are also above to what is below. Another theme of these times that will be capturing everyone’s undivided attention involves the secrets of Earth. Humankind will soon be challenged to integrate its identity into a new scheme of existence. In some circles it is already will known that we cohabit Earth with other species of intelligence. When millions of ping-pong balls are held underwater by a large net, they remain hidden; and when the net breaks, they pop up everywhere. All that has been hidden and suppressed is rising to the surface, as the shadow emerges to add depth to the bigger picture.



Just as humanity is under great duress at this time, so too is the planet. The Middle East, which is home territory to numerous old civilizations, is a timeline nucleus for lands that have been occupied for many thousands of years. No one will successfully arbitrate a peace settlement until the “as above, so below” issues are brought to the surface. Three major religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim entitlement to land in Israel by right of their respective sky gods. The Bible and other old stories describe how gods and angels came and went from these lands in fiery chariots; cloaked in clouds, they ascended into the heavens and descended into Earth. Awareness that the world has long been watched by intelligent beings from space has yet to truly penetrate the mass consciousness.



Additionally, many of your ancient predecessors had a great affinity for digging in the ground and building tunnel systems and all sorts of structures. An ancient underground hub, like a Grand Central Station, is known to exist in the Middle East. Built long ago to service a very old tunnel system that connected many parts of the globe, it is now a major point of contention. Wars in the Middle East may appear to be about control for surface territory, yet securing ownership of what lies deep underground is often the primary objective. Battles have been fought between military forces and beings of great stature in various parts of the globe. As the secrets of Earth come to light, existence of the underworld will really rock the surface dwellers.



Over the millennia, secret societies and other organizations held on to their knowledge of the advanced civilizations that thrived in prehistory. A select few members were initiated into the biggest secrets and shown the evidence of a vastly superior intelligence that built immense underground complexes, cities, caverns and enormous tunnel systems. Some initiated told cryptic stories about their experiences, while others fictionalized their adventures. Without doubt, there is truth to the tales. Of late, there is great worry and fear in parts of the Middle East that this information will be made public by one group or another. Such disclosures would certainly alter the entire framework of world reality. Concerns from Israel to Egypt, where the Great Pyramid looks out over all the chaos, have intensified. It is quite obvious that something of deep import is stirring up in the Middle East all the way over to India, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Long ago, old civilizations developed along the Nile River in Egypt, in the Mesopotamian Valley of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in Iraq and in the Indus River Valley in Pakistan. These ancient bedrocks of civilization have few traces of their former grander left on the surface, but things of priceless value can be found underground, such as the enormous caverns with massive columns that exceed the size of those found in the Egyptian temples by at least four-fold.



Revelations of the underworld secrets and there are many, many more, will electrify the human mind and jolt the mass consciousness into a whole new reality. The expansion of consciousness stimulates peak awareness. At any moment human awareness can take off in any direction, changing all the parameters of the game. Awareness is enhanced with new discoveries, denial falls away and vast stores of energy are released. When we sees into the shadows, we will see that we share Earth with other intelligent forms.



Your physical body is deeply affected by the tremendous transformations that are changing world society. Your body acts as a shock absorber, taking on the bumpy circumstances and stressful events you encounter, to ensure you have a smooth ride. When you are overwhelmed, your body takes on the stress and your immune system is weakened. When your body is in structural alignment, you feel more confident and can integrate the energies with much better ease.



Examine the relationship you have with your physical form. Do your beliefs and actions promote your well being? You can guarantee your own health by becoming the primary caretaker of your body. The higher mind and the physical body are always seeking balance and when inner balance is maintained, the outer worlds manifests as the same. Be more open to hearing the messages that the higher mind communicates to you. People refuse to acknowledge these messages because a change of attitude, beliefs, habits and lifestyle is usually being called for. There is no shortage of communication between the body and the mind, and you do not have to be a great psychic to hear what your body is saying. Your body is your best friend and is always working with you and your beliefs to keep you alive and well. When your health is not the best, changes and adjustments are necessary in your beliefs, emotions and lifestyle. Sometimes surgery is the answer to an immediate crisis; however, pharmaceuticals and the like do not support the way to optimal health. You are an eternal spirit residing in a physical body, and you must learn to take care of your body in the best possible manner.



As strangeness takes center stage, more people will look to the world of spirit for inspiration and assurance, for metaphysical perspectives add meaning to the activities of the physical world. These times call for you to be accountable and responsible for all of your actions. With cosmic energies really speeding things up, the response time for meeting the consequences of your actions is greatly shortened. You earn your awareness by learning how to use your mind with clear intent. Codes of honor inspire you to do good acts and honor all life, to live with honesty and create with integrity and dignity and to care for Earth. Those who live by codes of honor will soar in consciousness because they earned it. As some soar, the pattern is laid for others to follow. New creative energies are surging, so intend to express them in a favorable manner. Your ancestors had to be practical to survive, so follow their lead and focus on developing simple, creative solutions.



Extraordinary times call for extraordinary new solutions to emerge. The themes challenge you to maintain, mental, physical, emotional and spiritual balance. Crisis brings opportunity so use your wits to position yourself to meet the needs of the changing world mind.



It is crucial at this time for humanity to move through some very intense tests. There are all sorts of probabilities and possibilities merging on the planet. The energies from the cosmos are intensifying from moment to moment. Many of the people who study the stars, scientifics even lay people recognize something big is going on. The solar system is constantly changing. The entire cosmos is in a state of dynamic growth. We are at ground zero for changes on Earth - a time that has been spoken of and written of for thousands of years. You have chosen to incarnate at this time. The planets exert their influence always on all beings. Every movement, every sparkle of light, every explosion, every change is all inter-related and connected to who you are. You are here on Earth to fulfill a specific mission. You have great leeway to live with joy, partner up with who you choose 1,2,3 or 4, have children or not, to do the work that excites you, rewards you and honors you. All of these are your choices but the mission statement is quite grand and quite extensive in its membership. That mission is to be able to be here on Earth in this time that was prophesied a time of stupendous change that no one could quite understand or describe or figure out yet you know you are all in it. The scientifics have been dishonest with what is going on in the cosmos. The world leaders have been dishonest with what is going on between the cosmos Earth and inside the Earth. There are so many facets to consider, truly to know it all is overwhelming in today’s world. Know as much as you can. Do not be afraid to know to recognize that knowing and feeling the connection to all things is what is missing in life. So the mission is to return to the human environment what has been cast away and what has been forbidden and that is to know. You are here to know the whole story of who you are, your connections to the cosmos. You can study all you want and surf the internet but you will not find the answers there. They may help expand to you a bigger picture of what reality is but knowing comes from inner peace – the inner world. Above the ancient temple in Delphi there was an expression that said “Know Thyself”. In order to understand the world and to understand everything you must know yourself. What does it mean to know yourself? Does it mean to know your temperament, your astrology, your bloodline, your psychology? What does it mean? Know Thyself. Perhaps it means you must claim your psychic abilities because knowing is the way out for humanity. It is the way you will journey from dwelling in tyranny, dwelling in fear, hiding in ignorance out of a lack of understanding. So as you journey to know you expand your 3rd eye, keeping your heart in balance and in love and keeping your feet on the ground. We are being prepared for entering a New World. The cosmic radiation is stressing people to the max because they don’t understand their physical body. Many people do not place any importance on the body and then they get to an age and get a diagnosis of cancer or some other illness and they become angry, upset and distressed. People think these things are random. They are not. The cosmos works with you. You must learn to work with the cosmos and work with yourself. Knowing yourself is a way to do that. You must contribute all the development and transformation you can by enhancing your own life, you feed the mass thoughtform with new possibilities. You override the media because the media has nothing compared to cosmic energy. You are first cosmic energy. The cosmic stardust is in your blood so accept that and you can journey much much further. With inner knowing and psychic abilities you can make good decisions. You can know not to turn down a road. You can chart your course with greater clarity. When you develop knowing yourself you call forth your intuition. Your body works with impulses to impulse you to do things. Knowing what you want in life the body can send you these urges and pictures that can help lead you to the life that you want. If you are going to know yourself you must also know what you want. This is difficult in these times because sometimes you want something and think you can’t have it. HOLD ONTO YOUR DREAMS. Seek what you want in your heart! The heart is the center of the body. The heart is what keeps you connected. Not only to living beings, love, humanity but your heart connects you to the cosmos. It keeps a steady beat and as you learn to come from the heart and use your heart it expands your psychic energy. With the heart wide open you come into a space that is most needed on this planet and that is of energetic healer. Knowing yourself will become a very important job. You will find that through dream states and through conscious states you will journey and help heal others.



The more you become psychic the more other people around you will become psychic. You must be able to let others know that it is alright to know things. With psychic abilities comes precognition, understanding what’s coming in the future, and offers stronger telepathy. Psychic abilities allows you to journey through time to recall or imagine a past scenario, to see a movie or look at a book or visit a location on the planet and to have a feeling, a sense a premonition that you are connected or something is opening that NEEDS your knowing to move through. As you become more psychic you start to change. You start to intuitively know “hmmm this that I was doing or this that I was eating or these people or this job or this situation, I’ve outgrown it. It no longer matches my vibration”. Do not think that when things get topsy turvy that you have failed or that something is wrong. The energies of today scramble and rearrange things. For those who are not clear there will be more chaos. To know yourself also couples the obligation for you to know what you want and to be clear about the direction you are going in. It is not a burden to live on Earth. Do you know how many beings have plotted and planned to come here at this time? People have to qualify for the time that they are born. Just as humans change and evolve, so too do the understandings and interpretations and the influences of the planetary spheres and stars. Cosmic energies are intensifying from moment to moment and it is very difficult for most of humanity to integrate these energies. This is in addition and above and beyond the planetary complexes and configurations. It is of the utmost important that you picture yourself being a receptor of energy and helping humanity go to the next level. If you can do this and accept knowing yourself then the game will become more fun and you will prove to yourself and those who watch you from the cosmos that you are able to claim your abilities and to lift the frequency of Earth beyond the disruptions of technology and all the deceitful and damaging things that are being planned at this time by humans and others.

[NancyV]

Thanks for the awesome interview! Looking at and listening to Inelia makes me laugh!
(which is very very good)
Nancy :hug:

[Wiremu2011]

Vibration definitely has been raised after listening to this interview. Thank you both (Bill & Inelia), much appreciated.

[EsmaEverheart]

What a lovely interview! I could have listened for hours. Inelia, you are such a gentle loving spirit.

[White Phoenix]

What a lovely interview! I could have listened for hours. Inelia, you are such a gentle loving spirit.

Totally agree! I could have easily watched a few more hours of this interview. Thanks Inelia and Bill! :thumb:

[Heartsong]

Inelia helped to explain my dreams (I assume they're dreams..) Now I need to find out why I'm dreaming them.

As I watched Inelia's hands I noted that that they are so like mine. I don't know why that's important.

Now I feel I know what team I'm playing on.

I'm looking forward to meeting Inelia and Bill in October in Portland.

[cloud9]

The way Inelia describes her experiences matches to a T everything Dolores Cannon said in the interview with Kerry about the people of the second wave, how they are pure souls who came from The Source and haven't had any lives before in any place, how their mission is just to be here and raise the vibration of the planet, how just going to a place they raise the vibration of the people there, they are antennae or channels of energy, etc.
The difference is that Inelia is also aware of her abilities and has a "job" that she does whereas others don't know it consciously.

Great interview, I really enjoyed it.

I'd like to propose to Bill and Inelia that they, just as with any other interview, take the camera and film the seminar, perhaps three of four "volunteers" for demonstration purposes so we can have access to the information (after reading the reviews I feel like I desperately need this information).

I haven't had the time yet to check the web site (I haven't finished the video yet) but they can sell the DVD there, I for one will be more than happy to pay for it...

Valuable information that can transform our lives or even make them a little bit easier would be very appreciated, we really need tools and techniques to develop our power, otherwise we (or at least me) feel a bit lost, not really knowing what we need to do.

Every time a person that has some ability says we all can do it I get a little mad because this is simply not the true, if we could all of us would be doing it; my point is that we have the potential of doing it but we don't know how... and as she says just a few can do the tricks after working on it but they are not advancing spiritually.

Please Bill, ponder my suggestion of making the video, I know many of us are interested in achieving more than we do now and we need some help...

I'd like to ask for permission to translate this video to Spanish and publish it in you tube so more people can have access to it, please let me know if there's objection to it.

All I can say is that I'm very grateful for people like you guys in this planet and it's very nice to know that there are many many more, I just haven't had the chance of meeting one of them personally... but if I would, I would drive him/her crazy with all my questions.

Thank you soooooo much both of you.

[Artemesia]

One of my favorite parts of this amazing video comes between 1:33 and 1:37, when she is addressing different realities, parallel timelines, and some folks who cannot 'see' her (or choose not to) for whom she truly is. Earlier in the interview she refers to instances where some people benefit from objective confirmation of the 'truth' of her abilities or the inner workings of spirit for which she functions as a conduit. If you watch this segment closely, there is some interesting objective confirmation of her multidimensionality going on, and its so funny to me that it comes out really obviously if you can see and are also looking, immediately before she directly addresses the validity of folks who cannot see her or who might take an 'offensive' stance of denying the truth to her being/statements of the interview. Hilarious!

The timing and progression of ideas and consciousness in the interview are impeccable. Bill, you make a statement at the end about not having any 'magical' abilities, but you can operate a camera. Obviously great awareness went into the editing of this. Clearly, magic was happening from the filming of the interview, the interaction, the editing and the timing of the initial posting.

So exciting. Looking forward to seeing how this ball will roll. Synergystic and catalytic indeed!

[Artemesia]

Total clarity is needed, nothing left to interpretation. No mystery.


No mystery? That's what got us in this mess. Forgetting the mysterious. Its where all the fun is at. The way to find it again is to wonder. About anything. When you wonder, you remember how to open. No wonder, no mystery.

That's okay, its one choice.

I prefer things wonderfully mysterious.....

[gripreaper]

I would sure love to be at Vilcabamba with you two! How cool would that be?

[DianeKJ]

Loved the interview! It was wonderful to get a glimpse into some of the energies and situations that you have been dealing with Inelia :cool: What an amazing, interesting and challenging time to be on this beautiful planet. Even though it can be difficult at times, I believe we all chose to be incarnated right here, right now. I'm excited for the future.
Namaste and much love to everyone here,
Di

[ArjunaArcana]

I have no words.

This person is amongst the few people that I have witnessed that truly resonates within me, that is someone who you know, you feel, has a genuine interest and seriousness,
about the task she is undergoing.

I think also, that this interview, is the checkpoint so to speak ,for those people who deep within knew that they are in control of their own life but were not able to find an explanation,
so down to earth, if you will, that would make it simple to grasp.

There is so much I could and would like to say, but the words are not enough, not that I am a great speaker anyway or poster.;)

[Siberia9]

I want to thank Bill for bringing this to us, and Inelia for being with us. I can sure use the help, as the rest of us can as well Im sure. This is a tough job we have signed up for and any positive info is appreciated and needed.

[Jake]

WOW! Thank you both so much. I can't wait for more. Inelia, you come through so crystal clear. I love it, thank you so much. I've watched it with my daughters, and again today with mee Mum. Very special times!!!:)


Thank you Bill and Inelia for inspiring me! I felt a strong resonance with what was said in the video.

Indeed, PegasusRising. I think that is what it is all about. INSPIRATION!! Inspiring people to take back their own power, and to remember, and re-experience some of the events that have been happening in our own lives. Inspiration to re-ignite that part of us that resonates with Inelia and the truth of what she speaks. Inspiration to embrace those things that we have always passed off as 'just a dream' or 'just a thought'. There is a 'spark' that goes along with allowing ourselves to understand, and to Wake Up. We can know as much information as we can possibly assimilate, but it will all pale in comparison to a single moment of INSPIRATION.

There is a common theme with many of the folks who have come forward with these amazing experiences. From Alex Collier to David Icke to Bob Dean etc... The truth is the matter of Human Potential. To take responsibility for ourselves and to gather the courage to embrace OURSELVES and the amazing creatures that we are. We have been challenged to find a way to come out of the chaos in this world, and to take back our power! I have always said that the reality of ETs and UFOs would PALE in comparison to the reality of re-discovering OURSELVES. We ARE living in a strange time, and working towards a strange goal. 'Turning flesh and body into soul' Brilliant.

[LifeAngel]

Thank you Bill and Inelia! I just watched the whole interview and loved it! It has started some changes and new ways of thinking for me. I can actually say that freedom is just around the corner now.

Some weird things started to happen around the 1hr 30 min mark when Inelia's face would change. I am not sure why it was happening but they were very similar to her features in the interview, but perhaps in different timelines?!? Her costume would change too. I had to shake my head hard quite a few times to finally just see her real self. I also saw clouds around her head... maybe its time for me to get some sleep.

Did any of you see her face go back and forth from old to young in many parts of the interview? Yep sleep is really calling for me...

Thanks Bill.

Peace

[meeradas]

I liked it cause she is so completely 'normal', which is great.
There's absolutely no gurudom there. Cool.

[Muzz]

Great interview. Thank you both.

A wee question for Bill


In the video Inelia mentions sending a post that would get Bill's attention. I went back and looked at Inelia's first post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89293&viewfull=1#post89293) (could've be another one).


P.S. as other have mentioned to you in this thread before Bill, take a close look at what you were working on before Charles came into the picture, what did you put on the side burner to concentrate on him instead?


At this satge do you know any more about what it was that caused you to become a target.

[ROMANWKT]

Thank you Bill and Inelia,

That was a great video and important information given, I have watched it twice, and at both times was completely drained by it (good very relaxed).

There were many thing covered and many things unanswered.

I can see why Bill is excited to have Inelia with us, she is so down to earth, yet right out of here, a very easy person to like, I had only wonderful vibes about this lady, and I want more.

Bill and Enelia I AM READY TO ENGAGE. when???? how???



I have this feeling in my gut every time I see the list for your Seminars.


The role of spirit to transform a world in crisis
The application of our inborn power to change reality
-------------
• Existence - seen as the Greatest Game there is
• The generation and persistence of the Matrix Reality
• God, You, Me, and Us - who we all really are, and how we got to be that way
• Who or what has been spoiling the game, how, and why
• Why we don't know the truth, and our own responsibility in what we experience
• The past, possible futures, and parallel timelines
• The role of high technology and the control grid
• What ETs and ultradimensional beings are doing
• The role of Planet Earth
• How and why most of us lost our abilities
• The current consciousness shift
• What is possible
• What is at stake
• What we all can do.

Though some of this has been covered lightly, I find needing the answers to these questions important to me, because If you Bill and Inelia really believe that you have the answers to these questions and you intend to release this knowledge in seminars only, with a hand full of participant, on the other side of the world for most of us, when we have 3000 + captive audience here, it doesn't make sense ????.

I have scatted knowledge for over 30 years now, I have nothing linear, You Inelia have linear knowledge that I trust, that's why I was drained, I needed someone that I trust to verify what I already know and knew. there are so many different answers as there are people in this world.

We need a linear foundation from which to work through, and with.

That s why I feel we need to have these list of question answered as soon as possible for the foundation

Is it money or is it Face to face thing?? which I see the importance of both.that you have decided to have seminars.

I would rather pay you what ever money you want for a CD of the seminar than waste going somewhere where i will not relax as I have only one purpose, a working knowledge with a correct foundation.

There are enough people here to pay for the CDs to cover both of you your life expenses, and after you have recovered the living expenses that you both need from the CDs, you can then give it free here on Avalon for the rest that cannot afford it????

Thank you both for being here, I would say that those who understand realize how lucky we are to have you both here, looking forwards with you both, my heart felt thank you to you Bill and Inelia, as always
roman

[PegasusRising]

Thank you Bill and Inelia for inspiring me! I felt a strong resonance with what was said in the video.

Indeed, PegasusRising. I think that is what it is all about. INSPIRATION!! Inspiring people to take back their own power, and to remember, and re-experience some of the events that have been happening in our own lives. Inspiration to re-ignite that part of us that resonates with Inelia and the truth of what she speaks. Inspiration to embrace those things that we have always passed off as 'just a dream' or 'just a thought'. There is a 'spark' that goes along with allowing ourselves to understand, and to Wake Up. We can know as much information as we can possibly assimilate, but it will all pale in comparison to a single moment of INSPIRATION.[/QUOTE]

Jake, I couldn't agree more! I am always open to 'What if'. What if that is true, what if that is possible? These questions keep me researching, looking for understanding but when the spark is lit from an experience that transcends my belief structure or a truth that is passed from one being to another via the heartfield, then a resonance travels through each cell of my being and I no longer see the reality as I did before. I hope this makes some sense!

[Nortreb]

Many Thanks Inelia and Bill!

Many beams of resonation from this video(Time, Space, Source & Collective)!

Peace,
Nortreb

[Blueskywalking]

Thank you both so much, Bill and Inelia! Very inspiring, a real message to my soul...

[Ixopoborn]

This is just one more vote of thanks to the others already made regarding the video. I very much look forward to attending a workshop with Bill and Inelia in the not too distant future as it seems I need to do much work to properly understand timelines and much else.

Positive action by us without fear is a great message for Bill and Inelia to open with.

[SteveX]

The time point in the bottom left 1:34.57 to 1:35.18 "resonates" overwhelmingly with me.

[Artemesia]

Thank you Bill and Inelia! I just watched the whole interview and loved it! It has started some changes and new ways of thinking for me. I can actually say that freedom is just around the corner now.

Some weird things started to happen around the 1hr 30 min mark when Inelia's face would change. I am not sure why it was happening but they were very similar to her features in the interview, but perhaps in different timelines?!? Her costume would change too. I had to shake my head hard quite a few times to finally just see her real self. I also saw clouds around her head... maybe its time for me to get some sleep.

Did any of you see her face go back and forth from old to young in many parts of the interview? Yep sleep is really calling for me...

Thanks Bill.

Peace

Oh good, someone else saw all that too. See my above post.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill and Inelia
Great interview. filled in a few more pieces of the cosmic puzzle were all making.
I don't know if any of you have been watching 'The Event' but Inelias description of that pure evil being..Reminded me of the 'ancient child energy sucking reptilion guardian'
Good to know we can learn how to 'Zap' them with chi.......

[Snowbird]

This interview is genuinely worth the time. Thanks to you both!

Although by far, I do not know how to exercise Inelia's unique abilities, I felt a definite conscious connection to what she was stating. There exist multiple millions of individuals currently on this planet who stem from elsewhere, out there who are here on earth at this time for very specific uplifting purposes. These are not welcomed or encouraged by the dominators. They looooove their chaos! This Earth is a very tough assignment.

I look forward to future videos or DVDs. :cool2:

[Newlyn]

Tusen Tack!

It´s really true. when I took a personally choice to align myself with a positive movement and way of thinking, this kind of information comes to me naturally. And i suddenly get in contact with other people who want to make the change of vibration aswell.

Bill and Inelia, thank you for doing what you do. And thanks to all other souls right now who also do what they do, all for this planet. Thanks Avalon, and thanks God.

Blessings! :)

[Inelia]

Thank you Bill and Inelia,

That was a great video and important information given, I have watched it twice, and at both times was completely drained by it (good very relaxed).

There were many thing covered and many things unanswered.

I can see why Bill is excited to have Inelia with us, she is so down to earth, yet right out of here, a very easy person to like, I had only wonderful vibes about this lady, and I want more.

Bill and Enelia I AM READY TO ENGAGE. when???? how???



I have this feeling in my gut every time I see the list for your Seminars.


The role of spirit to transform a world in crisis
The application of our inborn power to change reality
-------------
• Existence - seen as the Greatest Game there is
• The generation and persistence of the Matrix Reality
• God, You, Me, and Us - who we all really are, and how we got to be that way
• Who or what has been spoiling the game, how, and why
• Why we don't know the truth, and our own responsibility in what we experience
• The past, possible futures, and parallel timelines
• The role of high technology and the control grid
• What ETs and ultradimensional beings are doing
• The role of Planet Earth
• How and why most of us lost our abilities
• The current consciousness shift
• What is possible
• What is at stake
• What we all can do.

Though some of this has been covered lightly, I find needing the answers to these questions important to me, because If you Bill and Inelia really believe that you have the answers to these questions and you intend to release this knowledge in seminars only, with a hand full of participant, on the other side of the world for most of us, when we have 3000 + captive audience here, it doesn't make sense ????.

I have scatted knowledge for over 30 years now, I have nothing linear, You Inelia have linear knowledge that I trust, that's why I was drained, I needed someone that I trust to verify what I already know and knew. there are so many different answers as there are people in this world.

We need a linear foundation from which to work through, and with.

That s why I feel we need to have these list of question answered as soon as possible for the foundation

Is it money or is it Face to face thing?? which I see the importance of both.that you have decided to have seminars.

I would rather pay you what ever money you want for a CD of the seminar than waste going somewhere where i will not relax as I have only one purpose, a working knowledge with a correct foundation.

There are enough people here to pay for the CDs to cover both of you your life expenses, and after you have recovered the living expenses that you both need from the CDs, you can then give it free here on Avalon for the rest that cannot afford it????

Thank you both for being here, I would say that those who understand realize how lucky we are to have you both here, looking forwards with you both, my heart felt thank you to you Bill and Inelia, as always
roman

Hi Roman,

It is certainly our goal to make all this publicly available to download, read and access. We don't plan to charge for it, unless it's in a format which has production costs and would cost us to produce (book, DVD, etc.).

As to our living expenses, we most certainly welcome contributions. This is a method that allows everyone to have access, and allows those who can contribute, to enable us to concentrate all our working time on this.

The reason it not out there at the moment is very simple: LOGISTICS. We have very limited time at the moment, plus the fact that we are in different continents this month.

Once we can get the material together, we will also need tech people to get it into a workable format. Editing etc..

Having a few volunteers to photograph and video the event at Vilcabamba, and other volunteers to edit and format it into different mediums, would be totally fantastic.

[toothpick]

Wow, you guys have without a dought raised the vibrational level of the planet.
So much of what Inelia said resonates very deeply with, my, vibrational level, frankly I,m astounded.
Sitting beside someone, and, being able to raise thier vibration level, even cure some serious illness.
What a lovely gift you have Inelia. I am very jealous of that man that came back to thank-you many years later, for saving his live.
I just wish that it could have been me that you,d sat beside and I would got the vibration booster shot. How terrible greedy of me.
I loved the part where an evil entitiy was negetively influencing someone trying to make the right decision, and Inelia would send some love and light vibrations against the negetivity and the person would be free to make the right free will choice. That is just so cool, man.
Then there is this evil entity doing horrendess unspeakable rituals and things, for tousands of years. Inelia goes for a showdown with this monster. He surprises Inelia by asking for clemency. She gives him such a jolt of her mo-jo straight from the sourse that
he gets his clemency. No one deserves it less. That is a compassionate sourse.
Now that sounds more like a love and light entity, god or source whatever, than some fear mongoring story book god who has spread nothing but fear as its religion.
Not being able to operate her own body, now that was funny.
The whole video was very educating, to me anyway.
Will definetly have to watch it again to soak it all in.
Inelia thnks for all the info, keep it coming.
One question please, Inelia do you know if our soul weighs 22 grams or not. If not what does it weigh. Thanks for the great vibrations.
Bill, thanks man. Top drawer as usual.

toothpick

[Pilgrim]

Thank you Bill and Inelia! I just watched the whole interview and loved it! It has started some changes and new ways of thinking for me. I can actually say that freedom is just around the corner now.

Some weird things started to happen around the 1hr 30 min mark when Inelia's face would change. I am not sure why it was happening but they were very similar to her features in the interview, but perhaps in different timelines?!? Her costume would change too. I had to shake my head hard quite a few times to finally just see her real self. I also saw clouds around her head... maybe its time for me to get some sleep.

Did any of you see her face go back and forth from old to young in many parts of the interview? Yep sleep is really calling for me...

Thanks Bill.

Peace

Oh good, someone else saw all that too. See my above post.

...it was the same for me, I was shaking with my head a lot and rubbing my eyes couple of times not completely sure if I see what I can see...:cool:

[MargueriteBee]

I feel like I have already escaped from a worse timeline to this one where things didn't go nearly as bad.

[araucaria]

Thank you Inelia (and Bill) for this interview. The little giggles are so down-to-earth and touching on audio, but you really need the video to see the beautiful eyes.
If I had to highlight one point in this, it would be the way you can sit with the greatest exponents of what we call evil, unjudgingly, and hence unharmed so as to increase the overall vibrational level. I find that, even on a site like Avalon, we are all way too judgemental about various groups and the persons in them. Why should we avoid judging anyone? Because such groups or persons may possibly have some other purpose that is not obvious to us (e.g. 'white hats'), and, more broadly, have their place in the scheme of things such that rejection of any kind ultimately amounts to a form of fear.
Inelia gives us the ultimate lesson in chilling out.

[arpanet]

I think the hardest and most confusing part to understand here are the time lines.

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.

This also starts to remind me of the Quantum Jumping scam (http://www.quantumjumping.com/). Or should I start to take that website seriously?

My intention is not to come out as negative. I'm just confused and want to understand the time lines better.

[Hervé]

Thank you Inelia and Bill!

The timing of the interview issuance is quite a compassionate way to make that Harold Camping preacher... right!

[jp11]

Inelia & Bill,

Although it is admirable..."It is certainly our goal to make all this publicly available to download, read and access. We don't plan to charge for it, unless it's in a format which has production costs and would cost us to produce (book, DVD, etc.)."

...you do have to support yourself and it is only reasonable that a fee would be charged for an event, such as the upcoming one in Portland...which I will be attending. ;)

I can't really say what I was experiencing when I finished watching the video yesterday. It was hard to find the words to define it. For years I have longed and hoped and worked towards a world where everyone can live in harmony with others. A world where we can live with diversity without the need to manipulate, war, kill to change another so we felt more confident in our own life choices. I knew it was beyond me to change what was/is for the others on this planet.

So many times I've felt certain things were changing for the better only to look out and see the opposite of that. I have gone through my bouts of sadness, depression even. Right now as I'm typing this I'm feeling emotional, as though I could cry. My dream has always been the picture from my childhood of the lion and the lamb laying down together...in peace and acceptance...and in my eyes/heart affection.

I thank each of you for what you've also given to have our world be a better place for all. And I like what you said Inelia, those that want to continue to play the war games can choose another time-line. I hesitate to believe that only to be disillusioned again. And I will do my part to have this world I live in, my time-line, be what I have dreamed of, came here to be a part of, and know in my heart will be.

:amen:

[Aurelius]

Thank you Bill & Inelia for this interview

It has given me the encouragement and hope I needed to help me remain focused on the path I have chosen .....

[siggy]

I've always been what I'd call scientific, rational, logical (if you can't see it, or measure it, or put it in a test tube then its not real) - but over the last 6 months or so my 'eyes' are being opened to new energies / truths.

My journey over the last months (or is that years / lifetimes :) ) seems to be bringing 'threads' together somehow. I feel that the universe is aligning somehow and that truths are being revealed. I still have a ways to go in dispelling negativity (my rational mind / ego getting in the way perhaps), but I am trying and interviews like this one are helping.

So, thank you for this interview and for helping me take another step on my journey.

[MoSh187]

Thank you Bill and Inelia! I just watched the whole interview and loved it! It has started some changes and new ways of thinking for me. I can actually say that freedom is just around the corner now.

Some weird things started to happen around the 1hr 30 min mark when Inelia's face would change. I am not sure why it was happening but they were very similar to her features in the interview, but perhaps in different timelines?!? Her costume would change too. I had to shake my head hard quite a few times to finally just see her real self. I also saw clouds around her head... maybe its time for me to get some sleep.

Did any of you see her face go back and forth from old to young in many parts of the interview? Yep sleep is really calling for me...

Thanks Bill.

Peace

Oh good, someone else saw all that too. See my above post.

...it was the same for me, I was shaking with my head a lot and rubbing my eyes couple of times not completely sure if I see what I can see...:cool:

Yes I noticed the face shifting too! I left this comment on inelia's facebook page. but during the final segments I saw her face change to Yoda. then moments later Bill mentioned "yoda," from star wars. I almost jumped out of my chair!!!

[Karma Ninja]

Thanks to Bill and Inelia for sharing this wonderful video!

Inelia shares her stories in such a wonderful and refreshing way. It is comforting to know that we have her on our journey and to hear from someone only interested in making our world a better place. I feel as though I have skipped timelines at a few points in my life and those decisions led me here to Avalon. I shudder to think of where my life may have been headed if I hadn't chosen to be awake. Inelia has a soothing ability to make me feel positive and I think her laugh is infectious. Pure joy! I hope we all learned something and can assist in raising the vibrational level of this planet!

P.S. - I think the face shifting people are discussing is merely the video rendering to a smaller youtube sized clip and nothing more.

[MoSh187]

Thanks to Bill and Inelia for sharing this wonderful video!

Inelia shares her stories in such a wonderful and refreshing way. It is comforting to know that we have her on our journey and to hear from someone only interested in making our world a better place. I feel as though I have skipped timelines at a few points in my life and those decisions led me here to Avalon. I shudder to think of where my life may have been headed if I hadn't chosen to be awake. Inelia has a soothing ability to make me feel positive and I think her laugh is infectious. Pure joy! I hope we all learned something and can assist in raising the vibrational level of this planet!

P.S. - I think the face shifting people are discussing is merely the video rendering to a smaller youtube sized clip and nothing more.

actually I was gazing. what i do is unfocused my eyes and flood my perception with everything, not focusing on anything without blinking. I do this in the mirror and used to do it with friends, we'd light candles and gaze at eachother this way... and what happens is you see their face shift. This is what I was doing with the video.

[MargueriteBee]

Okay I'm getting that we can change our future timelines but can we change our past timelines?

[Karma Ninja]

actually I was gazing. what i do is unfocused my eyes and flood my perception with everything, not focusing on anything without blinking. I do this in the mirror and used to do it with friends, we'd light candles and gaze at eachother this way... and what happens is you see their face shift. This is what I was doing with the video.

Very interesting! Thanks for the clarification and that would not be the glitches I witnessed. I should have known by the Yoda comparison...

Peace and happy gazing!

[LifeAngel]

After seeing the video last night and having a good nights sleep, I was able to analyze the video again this morning and I am in awe! I can actually say that I know of one real Angel, Inelia.
Thank you Inelia for this video. For as long as I can remember I have searched for answers and the truth. I have cried many nights praying for the wrong in this world to go away. There were things that were not right at all that I saw when I was just a small child. I could feel the world in pain and crying out for help, but I had no idea what to do and so I cried with them and for them.

With what I heard in this video I can now smile and say that help has always been here, but was only working behind the scenes.
If we really are the creator of our own timeline, then I will no longer allow myself to be trapped in another's timeline, i.e the elites.

I wish I saw this video 20 years ago, but better late than never. It has inspired me in ways I thought was beyond me. I can now go out there with my head held high knowing I am not alone and that we all are in this together to make a difference. I now have a purpose other than slaving myself for the rest of my life for one's gain other than myself.
I am excited to send out this feeling to my family and friends and eventually to everyone.

I have never had alien encounters but I have had many spirit encounters. Most were good but some were so bad it hurt and scared me to the point of hiding and suppressing certain gifts that Inelia mentioned we have. I can see why the bad spirits wanted to scare me. They knew I was different and could make a big ripple.

Before seeing this video I was at work. I am a carpenter and was working alone doing finishing work in this house. I always know when spirits are around, and there was one there that day, which was yesterday. The spirit made it clear to me that he was there watching me. He would do things like make things move or make a noise where there shouldn't be noises. I guess he eventually got impatient with me ignoring his signs that he finally tapped me on the head, which caused me to jump in a start. After that my power tools would no longer work. Taking the hint I packed up and left and feeling a little freaked out.
What that was all about I have no idea, but it caused a yearning in me for knowledge and so I went on the Avalon forum. Its been a week since I have logged on and I am glad I went on because I found Bill's interview with Inelia.

Thank you Bill... your videos are an inspiration to the 'collective'.

I wish I had the courage in me years ago even after all the attacks from bad spirits to continue working on the gifts I had and continually grow in spirit. Perhaps I am given that chance again to rediscover them.

All the best to everyone... peace, love and life.

[LifeAngel]

yep me too.. did the same thing, but then I could no longer control it. It just kept going no matter how many times I shook my head and closed my eyes. It stopped when i looked away.

[Strat]

Thanks for this interview. It was informative and fascinating.

When I was listening to this I was working, it was playing in the background. As a result I missed out on some key information (sorry!). Will there be a transcript soon? There was one part where Inelia was mentioning something about a mansion and that really caught my ear. I posted about a (very lucid) dream I had where I was in a mansion.



It's not that interesting really; I was in a really nice and expensive house. I remember seeing plates of food out on a table and I took a slice of ham and ate it. Sure enough I could taste it, which was interesting. I basically just walked around the house and explored for a while. That whole dream was probably like 5-6 minutes.

Maybe I should have said 'mansion' instead of 'really nice and expensive house.' That's my articulate prowess for you.

If somebody knows the time in the interview when she talks about this then that would really be great.

[Tony]

I think the hardest and most confusing part to understand here are the time lines.

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.

This also starts to remind me of the Quantum Jumping scam (http://www.quantumjumping.com/). Or should I start to take that website seriously?

My intention is not to come out as negative. I'm just confused and want to understand the time lines better.

Dear Arpanet,

I would totally agree with you..totally!
It is to do with intention or motivation. We live our lives through the 'information' that is around us, we follow the herd. One day 'knowledge' arrives, it could be nice, it could be uncomfortable. Learning is painful for the ego. We experience things in a different way. A shift has taken place. We are then evolving, here, now! Because of our past, we are here.
If we do not face the present, we will always be chasing rainbows! Wanting something better. For Who?

It is tough living here, it is the age of strife, but it where we make the faster progress. The concepts in the mind being so powerful, that we can easily see them and cut through them! If we make a nice cosy world for ourselves, we will not want to move or progress. We will hold on tight. This will be the cause of much suffering for us and those around us.

From knowledge comes wisdom.

Tony

[sdafnom]

Great interview Inelia & Bill.

Lots of important and inspiration stuff.
In my opinion, one message comes through loud and clear:

Q: Why am I here?
A: YOU are here to experience life firsthand and help make a difference, because YOU can. Help yourself and others to cleanup the mess and make this planet a better place.
YOU chose to incarnated here because that is the only "legit" way allowed, to do things (Law of non-interfering from up-there).
It is your contribution in co-creating the future.

Q: How can I do this?
A: Empower yourself by gathering knowledge, so you can understanding who & what YOU really are and move beyond the elite's enslavement propaganda.
Raise your vibration enough so your viewpoint will focus beyond the dualistic black-white / good-evil construct, onto the bigger picture (All is connected).
Connect with others like you in the greater collective and together be an inspirational example for others to learn and follow.
You might have been told that you are as powerless as a single raindrop, but enough raindrops will fill the bucket. Imagine a storm...

Q: Any tools for helping me?
A: LOVE. The only tool needed. Even the greatest of "Evil" cannot withstand the light of love.
Love yourself first by overcoming your fears. The most important work you should begin with. This will give you the strength to love everything around you.
Move beyond judgmental and negative criticism at the things you disagree with. Instead embrace them with love and they will start to change.
Remember that at some point (this or past life) you might have been a "bad" person and the love of someone(s) made you what you are today. So return the favor.


Stavros

[Billy]

After a few attempts at last i managed to download the interview. this is my internet speed, not even one meg.

all i can say is Thank you for answering your calling to assist in raising the frequency of humanity Inelia.

Bless you

[arpanet]

I think the hardest and most confusing part to understand here are the time lines.

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.

This also starts to remind me of the Quantum Jumping scam (http://www.quantumjumping.com/). Or should I start to take that website seriously?

My intention is not to come out as negative. I'm just confused and want to understand the time lines better.

Dear Arpanet,

I would totally agree with you..totally!
It is to do with intention or motivation. We live our lives through the 'information' that is around us, we follow the herd. One day 'knowledge' arrives, it could be nice, it could be uncomfortable. Learning is painful for the ego. We experience things in a different way. A shift has taken place. We are then evolving, here, now! Because of our past, we are here.
If we do not face the present, we will always be chasing rainbows! Wanting something better. For Who?

It is tough living here, it is the age of strife, but it where we make the faster progress. The concepts in the mind being so powerful, that we can easily see them and cut through them! If we make a nice cosy world for ourselves, we will not want to move or progress. We will hold on tight. This will be the cause of much suffering for us and those around us.

From knowledge comes wisdom.

Tony


Thanks for your reply Tony,

I'm afraid I didn't completely understand how your answer would solve the conflict between infinite amount of possible worlds and free will.

Did you mean that this problem arises out of old information and I should replace it with some new knowledge which makes the problem irrelevant? If so I would be interested to hear what this new knowledge is and how it solves the problem.

Maybe I understand the term infinite differently from Inelia and this causes my confusion. The way I understand infinity in the context of time lines is that every possible choice and every possible combination must exist in it's own time line. For example there are time lines for all the different permutations of writing this wrod incorrectly and a time line where I wrote it correctly as word and then there's a time line where a hair that just now fell off my head and a time line where it didn't fall combined with all the different choices I make all the time. So in my view there are certain variables (hairs falling, choices, typos, ...) and all the permutations of these create the infinite timelines. This implies for example that there must be a world where I'm a murderer and create a lot of negativity everywhere I go :) To put it short: it is the infinity of the time lines which entails that every possible combination must exist – not your free will.

Perhaps another way to understand infinity in the context of timelines is that even though the time lines are infinitely enumerated it doesn't entail that all kinds of combinations must exist. I.e. there doesn't need to be a time line where I'm a murderer. So there can be an infinite amount of "good" timelines for example. Some time lines could possibly be even identical? And still different in the sense that they can be enumerated? :lol:
Maybe this is what Inelia means by infinite. Or then something completely different which I don't yet understand.

[Anchor]

I too had problems downloading the video, I got the audio first and listened to that, and I am now watching the video because I fell asleep for the middle part (no offense inelia, I was coming home after work on the train!). Now I have watched the whole thing.

Inelia makes reference to her first message as being the one with a signature. Have a read of it. It only makes sense in the context of the Charles video and the intense forum postings that followed. To save you looking it is ---> click here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers&p=89293&viewfull=1#post89293) <---. I will tell you that as soon as I read it I indentified it as "special intent", and it lead me to make what turns out to be the first comment on Inelia's visitor page to the effect that I thought it was an awesome first post.

I am telling you this because I did feel a special quality about it (in the context of that thread!) and that may gel with the explanation given in the video - it certainly makes sense to me.

The video was interesting, and I loved the positive vibe - especially at the end.

I have a couple of questions for now - I had more, but they got addressed during the interview.

I loved the positive message at 1:27:10 -- "We are doing extremely well ... way beyond any expectations"

Whose expectations? When were these expectations set forth? Where is the standard of how rough the ride would be initially conjectured that we are now comparing our progress too?

The reason I ask is because, many of us (me included) have instinctively known this but are not sure why, and I was wondering if that gap could be filled.

Anyway thank you for doing this interview and in particular the great positive message at the end - especially this (around 1:27:30:

Bill: "....not in terms of whether we are going to make it or whether we are not"
Inelia: "oh no.... we are going to make it!"

Oh yes we are :)

John..

[Donna O]

Thank you so much for this Bill and Inelia,

So timelines are the individual paths each of us choose to walk, some may walk into one where everything gets really bad, others to one where everything improves dramatically and all of the levels in-between.

This is an enormous learning tool, helping us to evolve both individually and collectively. Like a Supercomputer with all possibilities and learning experiences programmed in. The user (us) plays endlessly with the software until they are fully experienced.

[Tony]

I think the hardest and most confusing part to understand here are the time lines.

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.

This also starts to remind me of the Quantum Jumping scam (http://www.quantumjumping.com/). Or should I start to take that website seriously?

My intention is not to come out as negative. I'm just confused and want to understand the time lines better.

Dear Arpanet,

I would totally agree with you..totally!
It is to do with intention or motivation. We live our lives through the 'information' that is around us, we follow the herd. One day 'knowledge' arrives, it could be nice, it could be uncomfortable. Learning is painful for the ego. We experience things in a different way. A shift has taken place. We are then evolving, here, now! Because of our past, we are here.
If we do not face the present, we will always be chasing rainbows! Wanting something better. For Who?

It is tough living here, it is the age of strife, but it where we make the faster progress. The concepts in the mind being so powerful, that we can easily see them and cut through them! If we make a nice cosy world for ourselves, we will not want to move or progress. We will hold on tight. This will be the cause of much suffering for us and those around us.

From knowledge comes wisdom.

Tony


Thanks for your reply Tony,

I'm afraid I didn't completely understand how your answer would solve the conflict between infinite amount of possible worlds and free will.

Did you mean that this problem arises out of old information and I should replace it with some new knowledge which makes the problem irrelevant? If so I would be interested to hear what this new knowledge is and how it solves the problem.

Maybe I understand the term infinite differently from Inelia and this causes my confusion. The way I understand infinity in the context of time lines is that every possible choice and every possible combination must exist in it's own time line. For example there are time lines for all the different permutations of writing this wrod incorrectly and a time line where I wrote it correctly as word and then there's a time line where a hair that just now fell off my head and a time line where it didn't fall combined with all the different choices I make all the time. So in my view there are certain variables (hairs falling, choices, typos, ...) and all the permutations of these create the infinite timelines. This implies for example that there must be a world where I'm a murderer and create a lot of negativity everywhere I go :) To put it short: it is the infinity of the time lines which entails that every possible combination must exist – not your free will.

Perhaps another way to understand infinity in the context of timelines is that even though the time lines are infinitely enumerated it doesn't entail that all kinds of combinations must exist. I.e. there doesn't need to be a time line where I'm a murderer. So there can be an infinite amount of "good" timelines for example. Some time lines could possibly be even identical? And still different in the sense that they can be enumerated? :lol:
Maybe this is what Inelia means by infinite. Or then something completely different which I don't yet understand.

It does sound complicated doesn't it?
It must be like playing chess, there are infinite possibilities, but you make the move relative to your understanding.
Re new knowledge. Well, there is information, but that is not knowledge. Knowledge comes about by experiencing
the information. There is no end to this process.

However, if through the knowledge you find wisdom, then real change can take place.

So the question is, what is wisdom? Wisdom is realising the pure consciousness that sees all this......that's you!

It is that simple. If there is are Tony's having more fun than this, well, I'm happy where I am, chatting to you.

Tony

[Intraphase]

Dream Awake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK3dQqwHgJY


There's a point to all this dreaming
To every man his just dessert's
And every time I caught you leaving
I had to dream awake, I had to dream awake

For every time I came home screaming
Got sent away, with no warnin' at all
I had to dream awake, I had to dream awake

There's a callin', a callin', a callin'
To everyone, who lost somethin'
Who had to dream awake, who had to dream awake
Take us under now, take us under now

There's a fight were not conceding
Where the words get mixed and the point is lost
We have to dream awake, we have to dream awake
To take us under now, take us under now

There's a warnin', a warnin', a warnin'
To everyone, who took somethin'


------------

The video is about a dreamer who is turned into a scapegoat/garbage man who is then forced to pollute the infinite silence against his own free will's intentions and eventually he is helped by the eternal silences inside the infinite silence to stop doing it, which force the other dreamers to dismantle their own obsolete creations freeing him from being a scapegoat. A theme similar to Jesus's 40 day ministry to Satan in the desert.


:pray::offtopic::pray:

[Spartacus]

Thanks Inelia and Bill.

Very uplifting. At about 1:30 in the interview I particularly liked the way Inelia describes individuals consciously and deliberately choosing to alter and define their own timelines and coming into alignment with others who are doing the same. There are endless possibilities for this planet in that simple and quietly spoken idea. I am totally there.

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

[arpanet]

It does sound complicated doesn't it?
It must be like playing chess, there are infinite possibilities, but you make the move relative to your understanding.
Re new knowledge. Well, there is information, but that is not knowledge. Knowledge comes about by experiencing
the information. There is no end to this process.

However, if through the knowledge you find wisdom, then real change can take place.

So the question is, what is wisdom? Wisdom is realising the pure consciousness that sees all this......that's you!

It is that simple. If there is are Tony's having more fun than this, well, I'm happy where I am, chatting to you.

Tony

To be perfectly honest, Tony, I don't understand what you are talking about. :) I was trying to define the term infinite in the context of timelines.

To me it looks like you are talking about something else. Like what is the difference between information, knowledge, practical knowledge, wisdom and consciousness. These questions are too large and off topic for me.

[arpanet]

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

I'm glad someone else noticed them too :lol:

[Tony]

It does sound complicated doesn't it?
It must be like playing chess, there are infinite possibilities, but you make the move relative to your understanding.
Re new knowledge. Well, there is information, but that is not knowledge. Knowledge comes about by experiencing
the information. There is no end to this process.

However, if through the knowledge you find wisdom, then real change can take place.

So the question is, what is wisdom? Wisdom is realising the pure consciousness that sees all this......that's you!

It is that simple. If there is are Tony's having more fun than this, well, I'm happy where I am, chatting to you.

Tony

To be perfectly honest, Tony, I don't understand what you are talking about. :) I was trying to define the term infinite in the context of timelines.

To me it looks like you are talking about something else. Like what is the difference between information, knowledge, practical knowledge, wisdom and consciousness. These questions are too large and off topic for me.

Infinite must mean no end. The term timeline is not my creation, at this moment I have no idea what it means. It sounds like infinite concepts.

Sorry to confuse,
to

Tony

[CyRus]

I have previously discussed this on other threads, however, I feel it appropriate to bring it up again to entice discussion:
Inelia claims to have a great many abilities, which could very well be possible for all I know. My question, therefore, is why she doesn't demonstrate this to some extent in public settings? If her mission is to raise consciousness and "vibrational-frequency" than what would raise consciousness more then a public, proof positive display of paranormal ability?

There are a great many paranormal researchers out there who would literally jump at the chance to have someone who masters these abilities tested. This evidence would shatter the illusion of materialism once and for all, and finally prove that consciousness plays a integral role in the foundations of reality. This would pave the way for the merging of spirituality and science, and a new paradigm for the human race...

I realize that no one wishes to be degraded to a mere performing animal, but it would be for a greater good. I appreciate any thoughts regarding this.... =)

[Mother]

Hello Inelia, Bill!

I apologize for any misunderstood, but since it seems Inelia to have lost her abilities to "download" portuguese, I´ll adress my intention in a poor (but from the heart) english.
First of all, thanks for the interviews, both of them are wonderfull chances to share and therefore to expand a great vision of the planet!
I understood, by Ineleia´s explanation, that there are massive, undenieble, fair and wise positive forces operating to make right things happen, which is very good news from a lovely source, indeed! That should lead me to trust that "every little thing is gonna be allright", and I probably should write to you only to express my gratitude and/or ask for more answers, or more interviews... even so...well, I´m not a special soldier, like a light worker, a psychic, an indigo child, or something like that, but I´me here, I live in Brazil, as you know, I´m a regular person who really believes each one of us has something usefull to do in order to achieve human´s spiritual development. And I´m wondering if there is something I could do to help your work.

Maybe I´m just one of 10 lost brazilians floating at avalon´s waves; maybe I was just supposed to watch the video and have some sparkles of what´s about to be, but since I wasn´t born with, or, on a second thought, did not develop enough awareness to receive clear messages about my specific mission, (and I don´t want to be someone who Inelia had to come back to see if he/she is ready:o) I ´ve decide to take a step forward:
Would you like to come here, at some point? Would you like to participate/stimulate any kind of event so you can be tangible to brazilian people? Is there anyone in special for you to meet who I could introduce? Or...?

Obviously, I realize that you have lots of stuffs to address, and certainly what its mean to be will be, so you don´t have to answer this message, but I felt the need to take a stand.
If this need I felt is some kind of ego threat, you certainly have tools to get it faster and better than me, and if this is the case, I already apologize. Otherwise, if it is just an opportunity to get in touch and, at some level, "being on board", may this message be usefull to materialize all my support and caring to you guys!

Keep safe, enjoy the ride!
Love

[Castanea]

Inelia, I love you! :o

[Asphel]

Wonderful interview.... strange that there were bits of it that seemed to relate to me personally. As if it was expected of me to view it, so that those questions can be answered.
Very special material! (=

Thanks a lot to Bill and the Avalon team!

[Yoda]

[QUOTE=cloud9;225167]The way Inelia describes her experiences matches to a T everything Dolores Cannon said in the interview with Kerry about the people of the second wave, how they are pure souls who came from The Source and haven't had any lives before in any place, how their mission is just to be here and raise the vibration of the planet, how just going to a place they raise the vibration of the people there, they are antennae or channels of energy, etc.
The difference is that Inelia is also aware of her abilities and has a "job" that she does whereas others don't know it consciously.

Great interview, I really enjoyed it.

Every time a person that has some ability says we all can do it I get a little mad because this is simply not the true, if we could all of us would be doing it; my point is that we have the potential of doing it but we don't know how... and as she says just a few can do the tricks after working on it but they are not advancing spiritually.

I highly recommend the course, offered by Inelia, on her website
http://ascension101.com/ascension-course.html
You will find very practical techniques.
Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Pilgrim]

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

I'm glad someone else noticed them too :lol:

So did I,..they were very funny and so cute..:cool:

[Anno]

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

I'm glad someone else noticed them too :lol:

So did I,..they were very funny and so cute..:cool:

I noticed them, too lol. I'm easily distracted by things that happen in the background of videos. I remember thinking how cool it'd be if one ran up and sat on her shoulder. I also noticed that Inelia's name is an anagram of I Alien. Not implying anything, other than that I should probably work on focussing my attention more.

[Lifesong]

Well...

I was going to ask a couple of different questions, but just as I was about to start typing I heard a car wreck on the road right in front of where I live.

:) (Yes, I went to check and no one was hurt.)

Anyway, because that was surely a sign, I think I'll watch the interview again, and then just ask myself those questions. (Thank you, Universe.)

Instead though, I've had questions building for a while about timelines and what role the technology of the time industry may play in this subject, as well as any connections between synchronicities and closed time-like loops.

This quote below from the webbot project is what got me started thinking about it, then I did some googling, found that 'magnetic containment fields' is a Star Wars term and then ended up at toroidal machines, NSTX, fast ion D-alpha systems, and MAST. (Yeah, I don't know!)

This quote is taken out of context, btw, its from a post from March, shortly after the imo genocidal tsunami/nuclear attack on Japan when Clif was crowing about the radiation and shunning politicians. It's just the time stuff that caught my eye.




Well, there exists on this planet now, technology involving thinking called 'closed time like curves' that can be used to save some humans. Many millions of us are already dead, but we can stop the damage now, by employing the CTLC technology. This technology is used in what is called the 'time industry'. Mostly it is a very secret, classified all the way up the rectum into the colon, military industry. There are groups in America, India, and China where the CTLC 'loops' are being explored and developed. These groups are controlled by corporations and political/military minions.

These 'loops' of time-stuff are held in magnetic containment fields in laboratories where the engineers in nominal control of the CTLC loops are fiddling around with trivialities such as reducing the 'experienced time' necessary to wash a load of dirty dishes at the direction of their 'masters', the gullible, greedy corporate and political minions.

http://www.halfpasthuman.com/power.html


So, again, my questions are:

1. Does this 'time industry' exist?
2. If so, how does this effect the changing of timelines?
3. If there are engineers working in labs with closed time-like curves, couldn't this somehow contribute to what we experience as synchronicities?

Finally, though I'm still struggling with remembering everything I think I should, I'm starting to figure out what's real - thank you, Bill. :)

Inelia, thank you especially. I'm awed at the quiet, confident assurance you have in your abilities. Your supportiveness and love of the rest of us inspires me to better support my own intuition/knowing and not question myself so much.

[Maia Gabrial]

What a lovely person Inelia is!
Many blessings to her and Bill.

[Flash]

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

I'm glad someone else noticed them too :lol:

So did I,..they were very funny and so cute..:cool:

IMO so did I

[Carmody]

This interview is genuinely worth the time. Thanks to you both!

Although by far, I do not know how to exercise Inelia's unique abilities, I felt a definite conscious connection to what she was stating. There exist multiple millions of individuals currently on this planet who stem from elsewhere, out there who are here on earth at this time for very specific uplifting purposes. These are not welcomed or encouraged by the dominators. They looooove their chaos! This Earth is a very tough assignment.

I look forward to future videos or DVDs. :cool2:

I had two assignments to prepare for this one.

The first, was a hell planet that makes the Earth look like, and feel like, and live like... a walk in the park.

That life was so that I would not whine about this one and so that I would know how to NOT do things when I'm here.

The second one was human and total WAR. This was so the energies that I had gained in the first life on the alien and dying world would be used in a way that showed how bad things can get when you allow the animal in man to run rampant. In that life I also manged to be involved with Slaves, freedom, killing, raising children, Love, Peace, the whole shooting match.

These were 'total recall' lives, remembered from youth to death, for each. Both came to me at the age of 12.5-13. The combination of the two was the lesson. Polarities. Total restriction--total involvement.

Now I'm in this one.

[happyexpat]

Bill and Inelia... Thanks so much for this interview. Very encouraging and empowering. It's wonderful to have this serendipitous confirmation we are on the right track even as we continue with our baby steps.

Still hoping to get a workshop scheduled here in Quebec!! Otherwise, looking forward to the workshops on DVD in the alternative. :)

[Roseheart]

Thanks so much Bill and Inelia.
The two most important resonating ideas for me were:
We must all process the fear we carry which in turn allows us to opt out of the fear based mind control we are subjected to.
We must listen to our bodies - they don't lie. Even when we're not sure, if we tune in we'll get the answer and know how to proceed.
The divine, loving intelligence that is our source flows through us all, at all times, always.
I am in gratitude to hear it expressed.
I loved the squirrels too....

[fifi]

Hi Bill,

Please let me know when there is a transcript of the interview, as I would like to go through the interview again by reading it.

Thank you very much for the wonderful interview.

[HaveBlue]

Squirrels of course! We don't have those here in NZ. I was thinking are they stoats or weasels or some other mustilids. They looked to be quite big but very hard to tell in the vid just how far away they were.

I hope people focus on 'what' she is saying in this vid rather than get sidetracked onto whether they believe what Inelia says about herself or not.

Not shooting the messanger is the important thing here with this one. Alot of what I heard is exactly the same as I have discovered for myself over the last 20 years since the force pushed me beyond mere belief and into knowledge of certain things.

I think she is sincere. Because I have met others that also do what she speaks of I have no reason to doubt her.

[mountain_jim]

Thanks to Bill and Inelia and to Source for encouraging this to happen.

I felt the powerful/loving vibes the night Inelia showed up in the Charlies/Atticus threads to (seemingly) challenge Charles and support/protect Bill.

Still feeling THAT.

[Artemesia]

I also liked the squirrels in the park.

I'm glad someone else noticed them too :lol:

So did I,..they were very funny and so cute..:cool:

I noticed them, too lol. I'm easily distracted by things that happen in the background of videos. I remember thinking how cool it'd be if one ran up and sat on her shoulder. I also noticed that Inelia's name is an anagram of I Alien. Not implying anything, other than that I should probably work on focussing my attention more.

Consider the 'squirrel phenomena' from an animal spirit totem perspective. Squirrels as animals (and hence as totems) are skilled at hiding things for storage/reserves to be used at a later date. In this particular case they are busy in the act of UNCOVERING THAT WHICH HAD BEEN HIDDEN. They are calling attention in an obvious way to the fact that there is a LOT going on in the interview and with Inelia's presence and inter-dimensional vibration during this segment.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Im enjoying this shift. Its important to realise that we have been doing it all our lives. Some people can manifest so many things and others have difficulty. The time is now for everyone to remember how to do it right and have equality. The video is so delightfully simple its almost like it has nothing in it but thats its power. The space to walk in and venture between the words of wisdom.

I think this video from Inelia and Bill is poignant as a shift to Avalon and its readers. It took courage i know but i dont think Bill or Inelia lack anything in that department.

Thank you for staying with the right path and showing us all, leading by example.

Regards

N
N

[shantima]

warriors of the void & light , thank you , shanti

[Anno]

Consider the 'squirrel phenomena' from an animal spirit totem perspective. Squirrels as animals (and hence as totems) are skilled at hiding things for storage/reserves to be used at a later date. In this particular case they are busy in the act of UNCOVERING THAT WHICH HAD BEEN HIDDEN. They are calling attention in an obvious way to the fact that there is a LOT going on in the interview and with Inelia's presence and inter-dimensional vibration during this segment.

I really like that interpretation. If I can add to it. There is also a bird that swoops in to have a look then goes up into the tree out of the way. Odin and Sauron both used birds to keep an eye on things.

One other thing I noticed towards the end of the internal section is that the lighting changed and Inelia's face seemed to split. Y'know how you can take each half of the face, double and mirror it and put them together to create two faces? The one on our left seemed really young and powerful, the one on our right seemed more tired and weak. It's an interesting thing to do with a picture of yourself if you're ever bored.

[woodshreder]

Thank you Bill and Inelia for your love of being ambassador's of truth and wisdom and sharing it with us.
Immediately after watching this the first time on Sunday, I experienced something dissapear in front of my eyes and am still at a loss for why. I mean it vanished right in front of my eyes, this has never happened to me before. And to cap it off, I went back onto Avalon to show my son what I had watched and the very first thread at the top of Avalon Forum was" Anyone have something disappear and then reappear later? What do you make of it?" Posted by fellow member Mystique.
Although it hasnt re-appeared, In my opinion, It has a very strong syncronicity factor
I connect with Inelia's nervous breakdown about war on this planet when she was a 3 year old girl. I can remember as a child close to that age trying to convince my parents to let me talk to the leaders of the world to stop all war. They of course thought it was cute but I was serious. I truly can resonate with that, and many things she has to share. Im looking forward to seeing Bill and Inelia in Portland. Always Peace

[Benign]

This interview did not have the slightest effect on me although Inelia is a very likeable lady and seems really good natured.

I have a few questions about some things said during the interview.About her teenage help to that Portuguese man.He was not supposed to understand Spanish and Inelia Portuguese.Yet after he was helped and cured he came back and narrated that event to Inelia's mother.How could he when he didn't speak Spanish?

This ''Source'' that is being mentioned,is this related to Hinduism and their perception of a supposedly existing God?

Finally,how can that very wicked, extremely evil man be suffused by light and kindness and be turned towards goodness?Was it without his will?Had he been repentant and Inelia was called to him at the right time?
If I remember right Inelia said he had sacrificed children and drank their blood?Can such a horrible being ever be considered for forgiveness especially if he showed no remorse?

More questions than answers this interview.Needless to say if Bill,whom I like very much as a person and trust, wasn't in it, I wouldn't be interested in the least.

[jelleng]

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.


This is also something that has crossed my mind. I would very much be interested in what anyone can contribute to my understanding of this. Thankyou in advance. ... Jan.


PS: The first paragraph should have been marked as a copied post - #91 by arpanet. (I will learn how to do this properly one day soon, I hope.)

[sdafnom]

Here is a little story that happened at a time when I was heavily thinking about physical manifestation and how, if possible, to achieve it.

About two years ago I was riding my bike and a stray dog came from nowhere, barking and chasing me.
It scared the hell out of me as it was very sudden and my first thought was "You could have had me killed, you ... dog! if i had a gun I would shoot you. " Of course in reality I would never do that, but I was very angry at the moment, picturing what my wife and my six months old daughter would do, if something happened to me.

The day after I was riding back and I saw the same dog laying dead on the sidewalk.
I sad feeling came over me as my emotional side always mourn for any loss of life.

Then a voice pop-up in my head saying "Do you now understand why there is a safety valve on these abilities? What if it was a loved one that upset you? Instant manifestation would have harm them, and you would have regret it a minute later. Learn to control your emotions first and then ask for these abilities."

A couple of hours later I was riding back and the dog was gone.

I'm guessing this is what Inelia & Bill mean by saying these powers should be a byproduct of a spiritual path...

Stavros

[arpanet]

Inelia mentioned in the interview that there are an infinite number of time lines. If there really are an infinite amount of time lines then everything is already possible which begs the question: what's the use of choosing your time line since it already exists anyway? What's the use of doing anything because every possible thing already is? Free will becomes obsolete.


This is also something that has crossed my mind. I would very much be interested in what anyone can contribute to my understanding of this. Thankyou in advance. ... Jan.

Since writing that I have come to these possible solutions:

1) Infinity in regard of time lines does not have to mean that every possible thing, event and choice and their combination must exist. Infinity can just mean that there are an infinite number of timelines, i.e. if you started to count them you would never come to an end. The difference here is between infinity of entities vs. enumerable infinity. I'm choosing the latter here as a possible solution.
This enumerable infinity must entail that some time lines can be identical but they are still separate in the sense that you can count them as separate (like identical twins).

2) Or infinity in context of time lines can just mean that there could be an infinite amount of them but does not necessarily have to be. I.e. if people want to use their free will to create infinite amount of time lines they can do that – if not then not :)

[mountain_jim]

This interview video is getting around. Just this morning I saw these:

http://stevebeckow.com/2011/05/shut-the-door-turn-off-the-phone-and-watch-this-video/#more-49448

http://www.galacticchannelings.com/english/inelia_benz.html

[firstlook]

Inelia's words about judging evil, is something I have been going back and forth on for so long. Why is it so hard to accept?

Its good to hear someone state this obvious truth now and again. Helps remind that its OK to feel Love toward all when your are ready too.

Bill is facilitating some great vibrations in this interview. Important to remember.

Peace :)

[firstlook]

Here is a little story that happened at a time when I was heavily thinking about physical manifestation and how, if possible, to achieve it.

About two years ago I was riding my bike and a stray dog came from nowhere, barking and chasing me.
It scared the hell out of me as it was very sudden and my first thought was "You could have had me killed, you ... dog! if i had a gun I would shoot you. " Of course in reality I would never do that, but I was very angry at the moment, picturing what my wife and my six months old daughter would do, if something happened to me.

The day after I was riding back and I saw the same dog laying dead on the sidewalk.
I sad feeling came over me as my emotional side always mourn for any loss of life.

Then a voice pop-up in my head saying "Do you now understand why there is a safety valve on these abilities? What if it was a loved one that upset you? Instant manifestation would have harm them, and you would have regret it a minute later. Learn to control your emotions first and then ask for these abilities."

A couple of hours later I was riding back and the dog was gone.

I'm guessing this is what Inelia & Bill mean by saying these powers should be a byproduct of a spiritual path...

Stavros

Thank you Stavros. That really is a great example of what the process feels like.

[fifi]

I've just watched the video a second time, and feel deeply grateful for Inelia's help to infuse Light to the powerful dark evil being, thus remove the evil energy and raise the vibration of the planet.

Thank you so much for being here and helping us. I wish I can meet you in person some day.

[bluestflame]

I liked the squirrels in the background too ( they were squirrels , weren't they ? ) lol

[Sophie]

Thank you for this amazing interview! It's exactly what I needed at this point. I couldn't hold back tears at some points because the energy was so overwhelming.

But I also have some questions. I know the idea is to offer truth without proof (not to infringe on people's free will) but at this point of the shift, couldn't we get some proof already? Now we only have to rely on your words and our own experiences (I've had some so I know there has to be some truth behind all this).

I was also wondering what is the point of infinite timelines? Why do we have to change this one if everything already exists? I just don't get it. But this is a big question about the structure of the whole universe or universes...

May I ask how did you both become interested and involved in Scientology? I'm sceptical about that myself but I understand it's one way of gathering knowledge and experience. I'm personally interested in Freemasons but I hesitate. Will I become evil if I join them? :confused: Can I still get out if they turn out to be dark?? Or have I permanently changed my timeline? I just want to develop faster in order to help others. Helping others and the planet is the only goal I have (even though I don't even care about most people that much...) But I have no choice, it seems to be my mission. And this interview helped me to get back on my track.

Also Ra in Law of One talks about a call (for help) and different laws like the Law of Free Will and they (as a collective) say that they can't offer their help unless there's a call. So could the Source be Ra and other sixth dimension beings? What do you think about Ra in the first place? Is it even credible?

Anyway, this was a fascinating interview and I'm so glad something made me come back to this site.

[777]

Blown

The

Heck

Away.

Thank you both so much :cool:

[nomadguy]

I just want to say a big fat THANK YOU, to Bill and Inelia for this interview, I found it very inspiring and it validated something and opened my eyes to other things. and this gives me hope of how it may effect others.

Carry on :whoo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0VBB7BO64

[Rocky_Shorz]

"It's a stealth mission", he would say, and only two or three close friends ever knew what he was doing. But he had done an enormous amount over many years to restore and regain his perceptions and his abilities. Proof that what Inelia maintains is exactly correct: we can all do this.

for anyone that has been paying attention to what is going on at Avalon this year, it should say...

we are all doing this...

a subtle thought can change the world...


ps... Inelia, thank you for joining us, we still have boxes full of paintbrushes for everyone wanting to repaint the world... ;)

[fifi]

More and more people now know about our beloved Inelia:
http://stevebeckow.com/2011/05/comments-roll-in-on-inelia-benz/

Comments Roll in on Inelia Benz
by Steve Beckow

Here are some interesting developments after Inelia’s initial introduction of herself and her mission.

Some questions arose from readers about Inelia’s history, particularly her involvement with Scientology. In the face of them, I and the readers took three courses of action – constructively but in the name of due diligence. First, we read everything on Inelia we could find.

Second, we asked Inelia to clarify some matters and her answers were very reassuring. Her willingness to discuss all matters asked of her in an open and transparent manner was as reassuring as the answers themselves. I reproduce some of those answers below.

Third, we asked Suzy Ward to ask Hatonn for his opinion. Apparently others had been sending Suzy links to the video too. Here is Suzy’s response:


“Steve, I’ve just watched the almost two-hour video of Bill Ryan interviewing Inelia Benz. I hadn’t intended to — I’m immersed in two big projects – but obviously I was meant to since emails kept coming about this until I ‘got it’ and let Hatonn know.

Right at the get-go he said he knows about this soul by her ‘universal name’ that’s not pronounceable in any of our languages and he has highest esteem for her – he said ‘her’ because of her incarnation but she’s androgynous and one of the most highly evolved souls he knows.

“My reaction pales beside his, but anyway I’ll tell you that I felt the whole time as if she and I were one — it was interesting!

“Blessings…Suzy”

.......
No one likes being misled by someone making very large claims and we’ve been misled more times in the past than we might like (or like to admit). I particularly was conned once by a man claiming to be a purnavatar (full and complete Incarnation of God) and by a channelled ascended master. I still smart from those experiences. So I am very happy to hear that Hatonn has such high regard for Inelia. I feel able to relax on the subject. I’m not going to get a rude shock tomorrow. Life is good again.


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This email arrived from Mike Quinsey, channel for SaLuSa, after this article was written. I insert it here:


“Hi Friends,

“Through Russ Michael/Steve Beckow I have received a video with Inelia Benz talking with Project Avalon’s Bill Ryan, for approximately one hour and three quarters. The youtube link is given below, along with Inelia’s blog.

“For me it is the most important one I have ever heard, and it helps explain what is behind our experiences in duality. I feel that for people who are ready for it, it is essential that they have an opportunity to listen to it. It is most revealing and greatly uplifting to learn from Inelia that our future is assured.

“In Love and Light. Mike Quinsey.

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=feZqzZUV19w#at=390

“Inelia’s blog is http://ascension101.com/ascension-tools.html


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I reproduce some of what Inelia said in response to questions about her past. Her responses are open, honest, and reassuring.

The first question concerned the story she told about the remote control melting. Elsewhere on the Net she retells it as if it someone else melted it. We asked Inelia about this seeming contradiction and she replied:


“Ah yes :) The wording was chosen very carefully. As you can see. ‘I’ve also had the experience of someone melting the circuitry inside a tv remote and an answering machine.’ That someone was me. The words were chosen like this because I had not been asked to go public about my work or abilities at the time. As a matter of fact, the answering machine was me too :)

“This particular incident happened when I called a friend in the USA, I was in Spain at the time, and, unbeknown to me, he had an old tape machine in his place. I do not like to leave messages on these machines, so when I heard it come on I immediately reacted.

“I later learned that when he got home, and saw the tape, he immediately knew it had been me who called and melted the tape. I, of course, apologized and offered to buy him a new tape.”

That’s fair enough. We’ve all done that at one point or another. Now a question arose with regard to what one reader called “television addiction” after Inelia said she watched TV.


“I am fascinated by human creations, both in the larger scale of physical creations, such as cities, technology, even highways, I watch in awe at it all. Some TV shows and films, such as Avatar for example, are works of art. When I get hooked on one of the fantastic creations, there’s no unplugging me from it.

“However, I do not watch negative shows, newscasts or such like programs. I also love music, and this too has been taken and bastardized by the elite in the main stream media. Of course, some artists do manage to keep their creations pure, and those are true warriors of light.”

Again, fair enough. That makes sense. A third question was about the Scientologists’ notion of being “clear.” A reader wanted to know how Inelia could have memories of other incarnations if she was “clear” and had no previous incarnations. I actually know, as Inelia does, that “clear” means having no case but considered it better that Inelia answer the question. She replied:


“No, this is not correct. The word ‘clear’ is not fully defined and many, even within the different branches of scientology, have different interpretations for it, but it is understood to be someone with no ‘case.’ It has nothing to do with previous incarnations. Parallels timelines are a whole different kettle of fish, not related to incarnations.”

I accept that I do not know about parallel timelines, but that they are different to incarnations. I also accept that Inelia had “no case” and not that she was saying she had “no memories from no previous incarnations.”

A fourth question was that going from Buddhism into Scientology suggested instability. Buddhism is a spiritual practice; Scientology is a cult. It would seem to be backward movement. Keeping in mind that Inelia has needed to learn about the human condition, not having incarnated as one before, she responded:


“I would say it does not. Buddhism is a very powerful teaching, and there are thousands of Buddhist sects and schools out there, most have much to offer. And some cults too, yes. I went into both wanting to learn about the human condition. With the Buddhist practice I did, I received much benefit and huge amounts of support in my mission.

“With Scientology, I knew there was something there, that they were able to affect people deeply, and wanted to know how they did it. But when I first went into that building, I had no idea how dark the organization was. One of the reasons is that at the shop front end, they have lightworkers (trapped and enslaved, but this is not apparent at first glance). It was a most educational experience. “

I should add that Werner Erhard also attended Scientology to learn about Hubbard’s notion of the engram, which subsequently was melded into Werner’s notion of a “record.” Scientology does have some useful information, whether or not there are many regrettable aspects to the organization itself.

The next question was why she appeared to jump from cult to cult, why she needed to go to Scientology in person instead of remotely viewing. I’m deleting a part of this question because it concerns people other than Inelia and I don’t have the sense that they, unlike Inelia, have agreed to become public personalities. Inelia replies:


“Most Buddhist sects are not cults.

“I am in a physical human body, just like you. What I can do remotely is limited. Never have I said that I knew how the human, or the human collective, works. In fact, this has been a huge, long and painful journey for me, well worth it though. Coming from a non singularity, even the fact that people feel the need to keep their thoughts private was a shocker. My mother had to teach me not to merge with other people’s minds, especially adults, as it was not ‘good manners.’

“And groups, and the need for groups, were a mystery too. Even the need for a “soul mate” has been something completely alien to me.

“My personal learning of the way in which cults operate was very up close and personal (most of my learning has been up close and personal – jump in first, then ask questions later). The first few weeks I was there (at the scientology organisation), it was all very nice as new recruits are not shown the ‘dark side.’

[Portion deleted on other people whose permission I don't have to reprint.]

“For me personally, it gave me a real sense of what is happening on a world wide scale, and how the ‘technology’ developed by the members of the early Scientology group (pre 60s), has been revamped to enslave rather than liberate.”

I’ve thought long and hard about whether I should repeat what Inelia said about Scientology because, by following how they persecuted Werner, I know what that organization is capable of. But in the end I reasoned that Inelia is already up on the Internet participating in the Ex-Scientology forums so her views are known.

The next question was how a highly-evolved being could label groups “cults.” Inelia responded:


“The fact that something is a cult is not a judgment. Cult, like daily jobs and the belief that we have to pay to live in this planet, are simply facts of life at this moment in time. Plus, I never said I was a highly evolved being, I am just a being with a very specific job, which I have not forgotten.

“Just to think of myself as a ‘highly evolved being’ is rather funny. My mission might sound lofty, but it is the mission of millions of others out there too, including you probably. At a higher level, none of this matters, it is true. In Oneness, who we are and what we are doing is completely irrelevant.

“But here, at this flesh and blood level, it is what we have, it is real. Would I stop a rapist from harming a child? Of course! No doubt about it. It is my opinion that in a situation like that those two beings are placed in our path because they want the cycle of abuse stopped.”

I’m going to skip ahead now so as not to draw this out. On one forum Inelia joked about starting a cult, which led to the next question was: was she trying to start a cult? She answers:


“Cults, by default, foster a co-dependent relationship. Something which is part of the old paradigm, the one we are leaving behind. Do they have a role in the world? Yes, there are many people who want to play that game and learn those lessons, but that will be ending within the next 2 generations as souls who want to play low level games go elsewhere as this planet will no longer be compatible with their chosen experience. I personally prefer to empower people to help themselves, and highly discourage people who come to me to be “fixed” because they cannot do it themselves. When this happens, I point them in the right direction, or share a tool that they can use.”

One reader thereafter makes a statement about why she wishes Inelia to answer these questions and Inelia responded:


“I completely understand your care and questioning mind. I do not make claim to be able to help anyone, or affect anyone in any way, either positively or negatively. That happens by itself, or it doesn’t. The proof is in the pudding. The only gift I am willing to claim, and I have plenty of documented proof for its effectiveness, is my ability to inspire and empower others to raise their own vibration and expand their own awareness.

“Not for me to do it for them, but for them to do it for themselves. As to being powerful, so are you. So is everyone. That’s the whole point, the illusion that some are more powerful (able to do) than others, has to be broken, has to be dissolved. Only then can we really walk into the present that we desire. The only difference I see between us is that I was asked to go public, and you were not. If you had been asked, I’m sure you would have too.

“Why? I honestly cannot say. I am thinking that it is because the call to action was needed at a level which would be heard. My entire trajectory, with few exceptions, has been to work with and assist lightworkers and lightwarriors. Often people who have worked their entire lives with no one to support them. I saw it like, lifting them out of the deep mud, giving them some fresh water, a bite to eat and they would jump into the thick of it again. Knowing they were not alone.

“These are the real heroes, the ones who have stayed on the planet incarnation after incarnation, keeping the torch alive. Keeping the light here through very dark times. Most are tired and battle weary. What I am doing is nothing in comparison. Nothing. But hopefully, through putting the message out at a public level, my actions will bring a drink of water and a bite to eat to those who are doing the real job, and facilitate others to raise their own vibration so we can get this place cleaned up. No more mud.”

“Ok, those are my readers questions,” I said in ending. “If you’re willing to supply answers, I’m sure they would be very grateful. Sorry to put you to such trouble.” And she replied:


“No trouble at all. If I can answer something I will, but it will be my reality, which is not necessarily shared by others. I always respect a person’s own reality to disbelieve something they cannot embrace. Their higher self is the ultimate authority about what a person needs to resonate, or not, with at any one time. And, on the same score, it is also their higher self which gives them the goosebumps when they need to take notice of something important.

“Good night Steve, it’s been a pleasure, and I do honour and respect your spirit of investigation.

“Namaste,

“Inelia”

I feel satisfied and the readers who questioned are more or less satisfied (one still feels some reservations about the Scientology connection). I look forward to where Inelia takes her work next.

[jp11]

fifi,

Thanks so much for sharing this info from Steve Beckow. I saw another link to him yesterday. Although not familiar with him I did go to the link to read more.

I really like the way Inelia speaks of herself ... “I am in a physical human body, just like you. What I can do remotely is limited." and she goes on to say “These are the real heroes, the ones who have stayed on the planet incarnation after incarnation, keeping the torch alive. Keeping the light here through very dark times. Most are tired and battle weary. What I am doing is nothing in comparison. Nothing. But hopefully, through putting the message out at a public level, my actions will bring a drink of water and a bite to eat to those who are doing the real job, and facilitate others to raise their own vibration so we can get this place cleaned up. No more mud.”

I resonate with Inelia; she speaks in a way I can relate to. Through her written words and in watching the video, I experience her as humble, gentle, yet strong and willing to give to those that are open and requesting assistance.

Each of us has a role to play and something to give, if we so choose. To be the one to open the door at exactly that moment for the light/love to come in... How can we know having that door opened is not as important as the more public speaker appearing to lead the way?

If I can move beyond the ego (and I don't see the ego as the enemy by any means) I can be a part of creating a world that supports our collective expansion. I look forward to that expanded world and am grateful for this opportunity.

No more mud! :laugh:

[Unified Serenity]

Bill, your interview with Inelia is wonderful. The power within each of us to be our own change and to ultimately change our world / timeline through raising our vibrations has been a message given to me years ago, but I started to lose it in the recent past couple of years. Thank you for sharing of yourself, your gifts, and Inelia for sharing her work and mission. In the past few days I have been drawn back to a message given to me some years ago which I did not follow through with and frankly intimidates me as I must overcome my fear of failure. My mind says, "It has to be perfect" and therefore I get stuck in the mud as it were. Inelia has spurred me to go back, to question my fear, to find out why I felt so lost, and to listen to that small voice.

At the end of the interview the words, "They will know you are my disciples by the love you show one to another" was very strong. I know many are anti-christian and turned off by any words attributed to Jesus or christianity, but the central message of love rings true for me. If we walk in love which is the opposite of fear then we can accomplish anything. We will be where we need to be. We will pursue our passions and fulfill our lifes work that we chose to come here to do. So, with that, I thank you humbly and sincerely.

Much love,

Serenity

[Menkaure]

Awesome, just awesome! Thank you does not do it justice.
If you watch this video, you will never look at this world the same... Ever.

[Mark Aldebaran]

Having watched the Inelia interview several times I then loaded the audio on my iPod.
There is one gem from Bill, the preamble to a question, that keeps going around my head.
These few words have been dramatically liberating, so I mashed it up with video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emj4LYUZXJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emj4LYUZXJU

Thanks Bill.

[nomadguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLEgXAlMs1I

[Unified Serenity]

Bump for any newbies who might not see this.

[humanalien]

Inelia's story about her trying to figure out how
to use her body pretty much matches up with the adam
and eve story "The First Book of Adam and Eve.

In that story, after eve had committed the first sin and
caused adam to sin, God kicked them out of the garden
of eden. Upon existing the garden gates, adam fell down
as if he were dead. God came to him and showed him how
to walk. He never had to walk while in the garden. He
must have floated every where he went in the garden.
He and eve fell serveral times before they got the hang
of walking.

I find it very exciting in the way that inelia described
her experiences of trying to control her body movements
for the first time...

This is the second time i've watched this video, which
i rarely watch any video twice, and i found the whole
thing just a beautiful thing to experience. I didn't
get much out of it the first time but the second time
i seemed to grasp the concepts of it.

Thank-you Bill and Inelia....

[WolfRgue]

Many are saying that this is the "bill and inelia show"... but it's not. It's much bigger than that. It may be bill and inelia doing the work now... but we're ALL needed to learn the material and spread the message.

No, it's not the Bill and Inelia show. :) And Camelot wasn't the Bill and Kerry show, either. Kerry and I always bent over backwards to spotlight, draw attention to, and honor others - who were the real heroes.

In this case, the subject is different. You, reading this, may be the hero - and maybe you don't know it yet.

This is the message - and we're just two of a large number of messengers.

And actually, it's not about heroism (which is a function of ego and vulnerable humanity: I was using that as a loose figure of speech) - it's about what we can do together to clean up Planet Earth, optimize the experience we have on the timeline of our creation or choice, and learn as much as possible in the process that will enable us to play much better games in the future.

Nicely Put Bill, I have started with myself. To realize the things I do daily that I can improve upon. Its a tall order given my stubbornness, but my goal is to achieve balance mentally, physically, spiritually, etc., then (if done right) lead by example. :cool:

[davyj0nes]

Here I was ready to give this interview a negative review, and as always Bill hits it out of the park. I was a little wary at first, because it felt like the interview would be a love,n,light (LnL) fest. It wasn't, the interview felt genuine, and touched on some metaphysical subjects i found interesting. It made me think of what is possible and want to know more about Inelia.
Reading through some of the previous comments, its a shame that whenever a positive message comes out it attracts the LnL'ers like lint in the lint trap of the dryer. If you are unsure if you want to invest 1hr 43min, pick a laundry day to watch it then judge for yourself. This video is best watched, i think, when its quiet and you are alone.

[Bhusunda]

Thank you very much for this interview Inelia and Bill.
This was really a breakthrough for me in my understanding of my "being here" and my relationship with my body.
I really can't express how important this is for me!

Thanks,
Bhusunda

[Risk Assessment]

I wasn't planning on picking bones with my first post on Avalon so it's with some regret I'm throwing the skeptic angle on this here..


It's a nice heart-warming interview with plenty of smiles and half-explanations but did her 'source' also instruct her to charge people for the knowledge, powers and insight that we as the human race are, as she says 'fully capable' of and have the basic 'human' right (free of all commercial/economic tie-ins) of using? I'm all for those people living lives to help others and requiring some form of income with which to sustain such practice but I think at times one has to draw the line somewhere.


Having watched the interview and taken a look at the ascension website, I can't say there is anything in speak or text that I've not heard before from other people, books and websites. Granted, her stories are very heart-warming and, if anything, at least put out a positive message to the world which mankind could make do with more of but the skeptic inside me can't help but to pick holes in her story and fault Bill on not probing further her further for explanations.

The immediate question that pops into my mind when listening to Bill's interview with Inelia... Are we not are all born without guidelines and a manual? Nothing new or unique in her outline of events there.

I am also finding it hard to chew on the fact that she has an inability to speak different languages anymore but in the same verbal output she claims that if there is something that she 'needs' to learn then she can learn (download) it. The fact that she was speaking fluent Spanish at 9 months old with her mother noticing and claiming that nobody else butted an eyelid would denote there were others present at the time besides herself and her mother.. well any grown adult would certainly notice, with some degree of shock, a 9 month old child speaking any language with fluency and any parent noticing this feat at such a young age would be proud enough to boast of their child's remarkable talent.

On the subject of falling over as a child.. There are many children and toddlers who are prone to falling over a lot. Toddlers have very lax ligaments and the arch of the foot contains a pad of fat which disappears as the toddler grows older. This plus many other possible reasons would require some level of exploration before concurring with anyone claiming they had some form of ability or outside-of-body spiritual control. Personally, my first and immediate question would be to ask to see if she had flat feet! The story she gives of her mother telling her to get inside her body.. well, from a child's perspective and with a child's level of imagination this could easily be interpreted with a certain level of distortion particularly at such a young age. Dependent on how that child then retains such a memory and how the memory itself matures with the self over time would effect the aged perspective of such an event. With the spiritual lifestyle she claims to have led, such earlier memories (warped or otherwise) would be easier to interpret as signs, special abilities and the likes than in a life given otherwise. This whole area should have be further questioned and scrutinized.


My next question is how does she know that she 'entered' her body 30mins before being born? She fails to back this statement up with anything and Bill should have probed her further on this. Considering her recall of early life situations is in parts sketchy in detail and recollection, I find it hard to swallow that such an early memory could be retained with such clarity. During gestation the baby is capable of feeling, emotion and has a sense of awareness. If she claims to have entered that physical being 30mins before birth then what became of the mind and soul of that child afterwards? And if she claims to have 'entered' that being which already existed then why would this be on her website?


Our body is more than our Temple. It is an integral part of us. It is not a suit we wear for an unimportant lifetime, and will shed as soon when we die and therefore is unimportant. It is in fact, our own creation. It is the physical manifestation of our Self, our Soul, our Spirit and our Divine.

She has lost me there!

On the subject of her 'dropping some of her abilities' in her journey from childhood to adulthood.. to throw an example out there as to how many abilities children lose during their development - my son used to be able to recall being inside his mothers womb (his cousin had these recollections too).. both lost such memory around the age of 9. Children are also the keepers of imagination and ill-perception, let's not forget that too.


I'm finding it too easy to pick bones here I'm afraid :mmph:

On a last note, some of the statements she gives in the garden towards the end of the video are quite remarkable in themselves, I notice she managed to slip in the info of her website in before the end of the tape! Now she claims to not work with individuals through choice but rather that she acts out of some form of higher guidance directing her in whichever direction it sees fit. Well in the same statement she mentions how 'she agreed' to do the interview with Bill. I'm assuming now her ascension website has received a good deal or positive PR work and the financial rewards will surely soon be reaped so the claim that she no longer works with 'individuals' seems somewhat fitting to the apparent agenda at hand here.

I would like to see another interview conducted but without such soft-footing from Bill. I admire his interviewing approach and his ability to allow information to flow out from those he speaks with but when dealing with such topical agendas like this one must utilize a deeper level of questioning on the stories that she presents as truth, in particular her remaining 'earlier' memories if anything - for the more skeptical truthseekers out there! I'm not suggesting everything she testifies to be untrue however in the world of the alternative thinker, one cannot rely alone on a strangers testimony without either due evaluation, questioning, scrutiny, demonstration or proof.


**Note to self: stay away from threads like this!

[sheddie]

Thank you Risk Assesment, that was well written and thought out and some good points made, much appreciated :)

x

[TOTHE]

Risk Assessment: The singular most important thing to know, which you have a natural instinct for knowing, is the checking of your own internal source. There are those who channel that are not the best for humankind, however there are those with great intelligence upon our planet who accept all forms of channeling without discrimination. It is important to continuously check yourself and challenge also. It is permissible, in fact it is important, that there be questioning.
There are many channels that in their hearts believe they are doing the things that are correct, when they are simply being tools of the negative, do you follow me so far? If they can understand that this is possible (even though they may not accept it) then those that go and utilize this can be brought out. The singular most important thing that may come forth is that you must check your inner source.
I my years of research I have come to the realization that I know that all humankind, no matter what environment brought them forth or what education fulfilled them, have an internal check on the balance within them.
Inelia Benz resonates with my internal source, I find her standing in her truth, recognize her for what she is..a catalyst and messenger toward her work to raise the human collective. I feel she is telling me what I already know, confirming my knowing and NOT with any fancy subliminal triggers some of the more controlling adept light workers incline to do.

Have you ever seen this prayer? I do this every day but a little diferent..I visiualize it as already answered. This is how I co-create my reality.

Prayer from The Spokesman of the Nine Principals of The Universe

From the Council of Nine
for the Nations of Earth

We pray that the nations of the Earth come to peace within themselves and come to recognize
whence they came.

We pray that all the civilizations of the Universe that are engaged in the balancing of the
Universe, be given strength and peace within, to carry on the work to which they are committed.

We pray that the physical beings of the planet Earth come into a state of awareness and
understanding, in order for their souls to evolve, to raise the level of the planet Earth and to
cleanse the heavens around the planet Earth so that the Universe can progress.

We pray that those beings and civilizations that are opposing what we do come to the light of
understanding, so that they also come into perfect balance.

We pray that the day may soon come when all in the Universe have the knowledge and the
understanding that will make them whole.

We pray for understanding among ourselves, and for the strength that is needed so that each of
us can guide the others to become perfect beings.

We pray for the souls of the children of the Earth to be brought out of the dark and into the light.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I wasn't planning on picking bones with my first post on Avalon so it's with some regret I'm throwing the skeptic angle on this here..




Having watched the interview and taken a look at the ascension website, I can't say there is anything in speak or text that I've not heard before from other people, books and websites. Granted, her stories are very heart-warming and, if anything, at least put out a positive message to the world which mankind could make do with more of but the skeptic inside me can't help but to pick holes in her story and fault Bill on not probing further her further for explanations.

**Note to self: stay away from threads like this!

Bill is having an intimate relationship with Inelia and they are planning on or already have moved in together, so he's no longer an unbiased interviewer. This relationship also creates a financial dependency. Don't misunderstand, I am not criticizing or judging their personal relationship; however, members need to understand that this would or could color is opinions and goals.

Also, Inelia aside, I think it should be clear at this point, based on the Charles material, that Bill is human and makes errors in judgment, so to take everything he says as absolute truth would be foolish. I agree with those who have said "go in", stop looking for guru's and trust your own instincts.

[Risk Assessment]

thanks for the responses Sheddie, TOTHE and Ba-ba-Ra your comments and thoughts have been digested. I must admit I was partially unsure as to the type of responses my remarks would incur so I'm glad that I have not offended anyone with them :)

@ Sheddie .. Hello and thank you! Hope to speak more with you soon!

@ TOTHE .. Hello there! I hear what you are saying and I, to some degree, appreciate and understand your standpoint. I'm quite the type to base my conclusions upon factual content and in the absence of supporting evidence, documentation and the likes I do tend to go with instinct based on preconceptions of what I know and understand whilst at the same time appreciating the fact that I know not everything and on occasions whereby I feel under-qualified in knowledge or judgement I do allow for a fair degree of open-mindedness. With regards to my internal source (not my choice of words here but to relate on the same playing field) I can only state my internal source advises me that it/he/she/shim does not warm to Inelia's testimony with open-armed receptiveness.

To quote your entry 'There are many channels that in their hearts believe they are doing the things that are correct, when they are simply being tools of the negative, do you follow me so far?'

..well, yes I do, I think! Knowledge of spiritual concepts is not my most gracious attribute and I take thought that perhaps this is a weakness on my behalf here too. This statement you make however is also a statement that can stem beyond the realms of channeling and spirituality and is quite applicable to many life situations. But I put it to you this way.. wear the shoe on the other foot for one second and ask yourself this.. if it was the case that Inelia was telling untruths and merely out to manipulate others for personal gain alone ( I'm not suggesting she is by the way, I'm simply asking for more depth and scope and a degree of substantiating evidence to the claims laid down in the interview ) then would the same words you give to me also not be applicable to yourself? If this turned out to be the case then you could only admit to the fact that you were a) deceived by Inelia and b) you were deceived by yourself, right? Negative / Positive, I see no need for such categorizations here as what we are dealing with is truth, transparency, claim and conviction.

In response to your comment that 'Inelia Benz resonates with my internal source' I could add here the point that the 1959 film 'On The Beach' resonated significantly with my late Grandmother. Sometimes you pick up on these kinds of sentiments and feelings, they can come from many things - films, animals, a newspaper article of someone's tragic story, personal experiences, shared experiences with others... the list goes on! I'm not trying to undermine your viewpoint or your internal source however these resonances are more common than some people sometimes tend to think. I can also add that some of the content of what Inelia puts forward resonates with myself also but I don't suffer fools gladly and I expect someone who wishes me to be convinced by their testimony to at least present it in a manner that befits all (skeptics included as there will always be one around) and with the necessary clarity required.

Life is substantially based on perception. My perception here comes attached with doubts not negativity and if it's such that you speak from a spiritual standpoint here then one could argue yourself to be invoking the negative within your own spirit based on how your perception of my train of thought sits within the negative too - as positively sounding as you are attempting to be. A swings and roundabouts situation really and not one I wish to partake in to be honest. Having said that I appreciate your words and thank you for your input. With regards to the prayer, no, I have not come across this before but prayer is not a practice I ever have partaken in. That aside, I used to deem myself as an Atheist. Since my journey into the whole truth-seeking movement began a while back I am now at a standpoint where I can no longer class myself as one and in regards to prayers in the format of spirituality I can only say that as much as I find myself more open to the concepts of spirituality, I am still a realist who's opinions and understandings are based upon and required to be subjected to some degree of scrutiny and such practices are, at least at present, outside of my scope of interest. I hope what I've said doesn't offend you in any way.

@ Ba-ba-Ra .. Hello also! and thank you for your response. This clarifies a situation that I had previously overlooked and I was most unaware of the relationship status of Bill & Inelia though this does not alter my opinions of Inelia in any way, shape or form. With respect to Bill who I hold much admiration for, yes, he is human and I'm not knocking him for being one! One of the things I have always admired Bill for is his interviewing style and his ability to allow those featured to flow with their information without unnecessary interjection and as a consequence to, project their thoughts, provide testimony and share wisdom with a large amount of freedom. Having said that, I'm not jumping to any conclusions about the reasons behind Bill's lack of pushing the envelope out just a little bit further. All I can contend is my thought that with the vast experience now under Bill's belt ( which no doubt he has a hat to match! ) I find myself as a viewer somewhat debilitated from making an accurate assessment of the claims in this interview (and of a few others) due simply to the fact that certain objective questions are not being raised when there is testimony laid down that should be further probed and ( it's becoming a regular word for me now >> ) scrutinized. Some people I know who are aware of the works of both Project Camelot and Project Avalon also share such sentiment. Luckily, I'm a little more open-minded than they are but again.. you cannot change the paradigm of the masses based simply on the grounds of verbal testimony alone. Certain claims require more substance and in this age of raising awareness in the masses, such substance must be forthcoming.



Bill & Inelia, if you are reading this then please allow me to extend my apologies if any of this offends either of you. It's not a personal attack I'm instigating on you here and I certainly am not wishing to offend anyone.


As a pointer.. At this present moment in time I am neither an optimist or a pessimist. I seek no spiritual guidance from anyone as guidance comes from within. I am merely a realist attempting to ascertain solid truths based on existing factual evidence.


**Note to self: Become a novelist or something!

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I posted this in general discussion but maybe i'll have more luck on this thread:

I have two questions for Inelia. I would first like to say that if you are too busy to respond that is completely fine and understandable. I thought this would be a more appropriate from of communication than private messaging you because I don't know you at all. My questions have to do with something you said in the interview. My first question has to do with what you said about being a positive light worker or... a positive lens for higher forces or selves to work through. Is there a negative version of this concept? Like people who are incarnated by the negative side to ensure a negative victory? I'm sorry if my terms are not correct. And if so, do these beings also have to abide by the law of free will? Or do they completely disregard these natural laws? Like can they violate us as beings and make decisions for us? Again I totally understand if you do not have the time. Thanks!
-AIJ

[Lifebringer]

Dear Bill and Inelia;
Excellent interview that definitely called me to ask three questions from Inelia, if I may and she can send the answer here or to my e-address at ksheppersonjones@yahoo.com

1. I was told to write a book called Season Of The Witnesses, I wanted to know if my book was written for this time?
2. Is the one who told me to write it the same as yourself from the source?
3. The ascension and the new future, is this book somewhat like a chapter for the books for the new generations, after the planetary changes?

I know it's a lot to ask, but these questions have a lot to do with my timeline, and I was wondering about assurance from someone from the source.

Kim

[9eagle9]

Kim are you not of the source yourself? Aren't we all?

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Hello Risk Assessment.

I have been reading your post with interest. I have to say right now with the sensitivity of current events and the ramamfications of not getting it right may tend to cause ones perseptions or ability to absorb subtleties in a message. Obviously there is a lot a steak when one subscribes to the totality of following a false Guru and many there are of those.

Firstly id like to deliberate on a point of yours regarding money or charging for information. Are we agreed we live in a money based society ? that in order to do the basics there are exchanges of currency for food, electricity , rent etc etc. Is it not reasonable to charge for ones time in having a detailed body of their work which you may gravitate to? Indeed there are many people with specific information ready to teach , and need to pay for food, electricity etc. So why is it bad to be sustainable ? why would an exchange of money for a service be unusual ? If i hear a song on the radio and like it, then buy the Cd then like it further because i resonate with them , then decide to go to a concert and see the band live for further enrichment of experience.. is that band that sold me that CD evil for doing so ? or are they working within the society of which we are all born ? There is nothing unusual with it at all IMO.

If someone has a gift of lets say Healing with the hands, someone talented at miraculously being able to heal the sick. Would it be a sin to charge for this service ? would that make the healer any less capable of healing because he or she decided to make it sustainable ?

I hear what you are saying regarding being skeptical. when you listen to a body of work you can tend to over analise it and miss the point. The point is the message. Its a very simple and easy message. " Empower your self " this does not subscribe you to follow her and dedicate your life to being in the harem. If it did then id be walking in the opposite direction.,

I watched the video a few times and i enjoyed the message. I have no questions regarding it because i understand with my ability to read and understand. I have confidense in that i dont want to waste time with red tape. its a matter of taking a message on face value. If it resonates and makes a difference then you have achieved another level of understanding. This level of understanding is the desired goal.

At the end of the video Bill asks her to mention her web site.. what is unusual about that ? The whole point of videos and interviews is to disseminate information. Bill also plugs some other bodies of work in the interview.. actually thats great .. i get more information to research.. i dont see whats the problem ... perhaps i missed something in your point.

IMO Skepticism is its own reward and one posessed by people who lack confidense in their own abilities and in turn want to be lead. Being Lead is the total opposite of what Inelia is trying to convey. She does state if this material does not resonate with you then thats fine. Admittedly the interview is a little amateur and i can see Inelia is a tiny bit nervous about getting the information right. But thats natural , id say as she does these interviews she will develop her style to be more polished. If it were done by the BBC and more polished would that be acceptible ?


Tell me .. if you listen to or read a body of work and find faults in it , all be it minor .. should the weight of that body of work be judged on these minor faults ? or should the positive parts of it be kept and used ? My question is why do people concentrate on the lowest common denominator and then expect the maximum positive effect ? This perplexes me...

Hugs

N
N :)

[Amer]

Hello Risk Assessment :wave:
I reckon Bill & Inelia are pretty much super busy these days preparing for their seminar. I'm forwarding to you an answer from Inelia that I received for a question I posed on the Inelia thread that was similar to your initial one here.


It's a nice heart-warming interview with plenty of smiles and half-explanations but did her 'source' also instruct her to charge people for the knowledge, powers and insight that we as the human race are, as she says 'fully capable' of and have the basic 'human' right (free of all commercial/economic tie-ins) of using? I'm all for those people living lives to help others and requiring some form of income with which to sustain such practice but I think at times one has to draw the line somewhere.


I would love everything she says to be true, but I will be honest with everyone I have one major stumbling block: if you are guided by the divine, if you are sent here on the scope of the mission that Inelia outlines, if you are of a higher consciousness and already on the marvelous path to enlightenment – well then you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.
I cannot make sense of this. Please explain it to me.


All information is free, it's on my website. Everything is there. What I charge for are the MP3 downloads of the information, the books, and when I am able to, the sessions. Why? Because these are not "information", they are my "time". I charge for my time. A person can get onto my website and get all the information they need for achieving a higher vibration. It might also interest you to know, that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free. These people are very sincere and often later pay way more than what I charge for the downloadable material. Go figure.

Certain people also offer barter exchanges, when they do, I send them the list of items I am in need of, so we can create a true energy exchange.

All the best to you
Amer

[Anno]

This was posted earlier and comes from Inelia's website.

"The party entertainment, such as moving things around, etc., are no longer available at will, but if they come back I have no problem entertaining people with them. For the time being, I suggest, if this is something that really interests you, to visit Uri Geller's website and shows. He's very talented and can do these things at will."

Is this a true validation and recommendation of Uri Geller and his powers or a tongue in cheek suggestion that those who seek entertainment should seek an entertainer, suggesting that Uri Geller does not have true powers?

The reason I ask is that Uri Geller's original launch platform was The Nine.

Uri = Light/Flame of God
Geller = One who shouts : From the German Gell (to yell or shout) When the Nazis occupied towns with town criers, they called them Gellers.

Uri-el = The trumpeter of the Apocalypse.

Uri Geller = Was the herald of The Nine. A group of nine superpoweful aliens who control the galaxy and planned to invade. Uri was here to warn us so we could fight back, but ended up making a whole lot of money from the mining and oil industry instead.

9 x 2 = 18.

Charles represented an Earth based group of super powerful beings who have already invaded, switched sides to warn us and wanted to start the 18 to fight back, but got sidetracked trying to make money from the advertising industry.

It seems like different lyrics to the same tune, to me.

[Risk Assessment]

@ Nanoo Nanoo .. Hi and thanks for your response. You have given me much food with what you have said so I will attempt to deal with certain aspects of what you present in as methodical an approach as I can!




Obviously there is a lot a steak when one subscribes to the totality of following a false Guru and many there are of those.




this does not subscribe you to follow her and dedicate your life to being in the harem. If it did then id be walking in the opposite direction.,


Perhaps it's the case I have the wrong angle on what you've said here but I cannot help but to detect a level of contradiction in what you have said with these two statements. With what you suggest about there being no requirement to follow her words you are at the same time claiming with apparently open arms and no visible challenge from what I can detect that she is not a false Guru and you also lay the subtleties that suggest you are following her word or in the least accepting it as some form of guidance/fact or as you put it with your own words - you are 'resonating' with her. Most people of an intelligible disposition would conclude this to be a shepherd/flock scenario given one is drawing substance with confounded belief that is thought to be applicable for the use and benefit of their own life-path - which amounts to nothing more than a teacher/pupil or leader/follower situation when you break things right down This polar situation is a situation that penetrates most levels of communication and understandings in society so you cannot ignore or sidestep away from the implications that such a ubiquitous trend has in this debate.



If someone has a gift of lets say Healing with the hands, someone talented at miraculously being able to heal the sick. Would it be a sin to charge for this service ?


Well sin wouldn't be my choice of word here but as almost everything negative can be deduced to such then my answer would be yes. Why? ..money is the root of much evil. I don't use bank accounts for various ethical reasons so I am excluded from the ability to obtain such information that is sold at a financial cost. Also, besides myself, there would be many others exempt from such an ability to purchase this information.. those without internet, computers etc. Set that aside for a minute, MP3s are nothing more than a virtual product, they are not physical products. It's only code. The same kind of stuff that websites and website content are built using. Hence, to charge for a virtual audio product containing information that already exists for free on her website (so claimed) is merely a taxation on the lazy. If it is such that Inelia wishes to do good then perhaps seeking an alternative income to support her efforts would help towards numbing the concerns of those who believe (as Amer stated) that the information she is relaying is information we all have the free and divine right to know without economic tie-ins.

With regards to what Amer stated..



you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.


This just echoes my sentiments exactly.



would that make the healer any less capable of healing because he or she decided to make it sustainable ?


No. Of course not. Just makes Inelia economically better off.




I watched the video a few times and i enjoyed the message. I have no questions regarding it because i understand with my ability to read and understand. I have confidense in that i dont want to waste time with red tape. its a matter of taking a message on face value. If it resonates and makes a difference then you have achieved another level of understanding. This level of understanding is the desired goal.


Well in that case, as you feel no need to cross-examine the testimony given yourself.. perhaps you can already answer the question I put that asks how it is she is knowing of the fact that she 'entered' her body 30mins before birth - the same body that she claims on her website to be something that manifests from the already present self - a statement I made in my first post which has seemingly gone without challenge, answer or elaboration to. Such a statement would ring alarm bells and beg the same question from anyone with an inquisitive and calculative mind. To dismiss such practice of inquisition is something found common in those deemed gullible.



IMO Skepticism is its own reward and one posessed by people who lack confidense in their own abilities and in turn want to be lead.


Sorry but I don't agree with that opinion and it reeks of gullibility.




Tell me .. if you listen to or read a body of work and find faults in it , all be it minor .. should the weight of that body of work be judged on these minor faults ? or should the positive parts of it be kept and used ? My question is why do people concentrate on the lowest common denominator and then expect the maximum positive effect ? This perplexes me...


Well first up, there is the perception angle of the individual. They obviously appear less minor to you than to myself for reasons that are obvious. Personally I think these 'faults' or, as I like to call them - unanswered questions, are quite necessary in regards to processing, understanding and believing the claims being laid down. If you had no concept of what a square was or looked like and someone went to great pains to convince you that it was a round-shaped object, without further scrutiny or cross-examination or research conducted elsewhere you would eventually and quite possibly easily be convinced of the view they were conveying to you and accept that as solid fact and truth. This we see with prominence in society with religion and so forth and for the simple reason being that people as a collective and even on an individual basis are susceptible to mis-judgement based on things that they perceive to be resonating with them in some way.




Hugs


again, I'm not wishing to offend anyone here. Just merely conveying my understandings and concerns. Inelia does indeed seem like a very nice person and not the type of person I would cross off my birthday party invite list with any given haste. What she gives in the interview is open to interpretation from more angles than one and with this approach I cannot help but to find contradiction and questionable detail. It's unfortunate that there is little given from which I'm capable to substantiate any concrete conclusions upon however I draw some good from the message given as a whole. If what she says resonates with some people then so be it and if it aids as a tool for people and their own life path then that can only be a good thing and I can't lay argument to that. I can argue that not to be on the same path as other people in regards to this does not necessarily denote negativity on my behalf and as far as my personal standpoint goes and that of others, asking for a greater level of substance and convincing is nothing but fair in form and a legitimate request and I invite and hope that Inelia can present more to convince me further in respects to what she talks about.

Hugs back http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/hugs.gif

[9eagle9]

Doing spiritual work is misnomer and I will repeat it relentlessly, one shouldn't charge for doing spiritual work.The spirit needs no work, people need a means of accessing what the spirit is attempting to communicate to them and that is what Ascension does. The Ascension process can be initiated in five minutes and it hardly seems worth enough time investment to charge someone for that. After that its up to the person to stay on track and do their work. Their choice .

I do however charge for having to work in a person's ego constructs and consciousness and other densities like the body. An excorcism is a nasty thing sometimes, and while I never requested money for it I'm nearly always paid for it based on how ugly they can be sometimes. Or rather they can pay me what they believe its worth to them because there should be some exchange otherwise I wouldn't have the means to continue that sort of work. It works out for the better people have choices in the matter that way. I shouldn't be paid for anything that isn't producing a result. I make it clear though. We aren't doing spiritual work, we are doing work that will help you to better access your higher understanding, but we are working with consciousness, ego and physical body. People are entitled to informed decisions and since its the 'teacher' that has the information it is the teach in all integrity that expresses that information what precisely we are working in.

[Risk Assessment]

@ Amer .. Thanks for such insight Amer. Inelia's response to your question does lay to rest certain concerns I had however I couldn't help but to detect an air of economic expectancy when she states 'that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free'

That aside, I admire her for her willingness to allow for such a bartering exchange. I'm not out to imply that Inelia is simply out to make a 'buck' here. My main concern is the manner in which information is conveyed with little in the way of subsistence for the more skeptical people out there who require levels of convincing like everyone else (except the gullible) but to a greater level. I would love to take what Inelia says as fact and I hope that somehow I can be shown the goods required in order to achieve this.

[passiglight]

the ones who are doing the real and genuine WORK of source seldom charge and are always under paid,,,,,

And isn't it ironic that,,,,,,,,,,,


the ones who are spreading the WORD of source are charging for it

cosmic love

[gabbahh]

the ones who are doing the real and genuine WORK of source seldom charge and are always under paid,,,,,

And isn't it ironic that,,,,,,,,,,,


the ones who are spreading the WORD of source are charging for it

cosmic love
And as usual you have nothing to contribute.

Ironic isn't it that someone who spins BS tales tries to talk down others.

Your MO is showing.

Gr T

[MMA_Fan]

@ Amer .. Thanks for such insight Amer. Inelia's response to your question does lay to rest certain concerns I had however I couldn't help but to detect an air of economic expectancy when she states 'that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free'


Because the item is originally for sale - Nowt wrong with economic expectancy in that case.

I used to wonder why people charged for imparting spiritual knowledge but then I read the following and it is hard to doubt the wisdom;

"Should people only sell things that don't benefit humanity?"

What better thing to sell?

[Risk Assessment]

@ Amer .. Thanks for such insight Amer. Inelia's response to your question does lay to rest certain concerns I had however I couldn't help but to detect an air of economic expectancy when she states 'that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free'


Because the item is originally for sale. Nowt wrong with economic expectancy then in that case.

Perhaps not from a financially exploitative POV. From a moral and spiritual standpoint, when it comes to selling information we have a 'divine right' to know.. well then yes, it factions in as a bit of an issue when you lay such a term of expectancy down in such words!

[passiglight]

Karma is the issue here,when one engages in dealings where ones energy has been used to abtain currency,,,,,this energy is passed along with the exchange,,,,and it's called Karma and it's garbage and luggage one doesn't need...............





the ones who are doing the real and genuine WORK of source seldom charge and are always under paid,,,,,

And isn't it ironic that,,,,,,,,,,,


the ones who are spreading the WORD of source are charging for it

cosmic love
And as usual you have nothing to contribute.

Ironic isn't it that someone who spins BS tales tries to talk down others.

Your MO is showing.

Gr T

[MMA_Fan]

@ Amer .. Thanks for such insight Amer. Inelia's response to your question does lay to rest certain concerns I had however I couldn't help but to detect an air of economic expectancy when she states 'that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free'


Because the item is originally for sale. Nowt wrong with economic expectancy then in that case.

Perhaps not from a financially exploitative POV. From a moral and spiritual standpoint, when it comes to selling information we have a 'divine right' to know.. well then yes, it factions in as a bit of an issue when you lay such a term of expectancy down in such words!

That information is free from Inelia (as well as many others). It's the delivery of the education or knowledge that decides the price.

Look at how much knowledge is for free here http://ascension101.com/

The books are for sale, as is the course but then that takes money to produce and deliver. Who should pay for that?

[gabbahh]

Karma is the issue here,when one engages in dealings where ones energy has been used to abtain currency,,,,,this energy is passed along with the exchange,,,,and it's called Karma and it's garbage and luggage one doesn't need...............





the ones who are doing the real and genuine WORK of source seldom charge and are always under paid,,,,,

And isn't it ironic that,,,,,,,,,,,


the ones who are spreading the WORD of source are charging for it

cosmic love
And as usual you have nothing to contribute.

Ironic isn't it that someone who spins BS tales tries to talk down others.

Your MO is showing.

Gr T
To know yourself is to know another.

[Rocky_Shorz]

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Dear Friends,

My full interview (1 hr 43 mins) with Inelia is edited and published. We're ready to go now.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w


A comment I'd like to make: for some, watching this entire video from beginning to end may be a transformational event. Don't be surprised if you find yourself feeling emotional, moved, inspired, elevated, or having new realizations about yourself, about reality, or about any aspect of what's going on in the world. This is the territory we're in here.

video download: (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_interview_May_2011.mp4) (MP4, 346 Mb)
audio download: (http://projectavalon.net/Inelia_interview_May_2011.mp3) (MP3, 72 Mb)

Many of you already know that there's a new website (www.bill.inelia.com (http://bill.inelia.com)) to support this work. Do take a look.

Enjoy it all. :)

Warmest wishes, Bill

Hey Bill, How much did Inelia charge everyone to watch this wonderful video?

[ulli]

there are people who want to grow, and will even pay if they have to,

and then there are people who want a magic wand...
always demanding, being forceful,

they don't want to grow, but instead dominate and get full control

Gurdjieff used to say "They want the fried chickens to fly into their mouths"....

[Risk Assessment]

@ Amer .. Thanks for such insight Amer. Inelia's response to your question does lay to rest certain concerns I had however I couldn't help but to detect an air of economic expectancy when she states 'that when a person emails me for a free copy of whatever is for sale in my site, because they cannot pay for it yet, I send it to them for free'


Because the item is originally for sale. Nowt wrong with economic expectancy then in that case.

Perhaps not from a financially exploitative POV. From a moral and spiritual standpoint, when it comes to selling information we have a 'divine right' to know.. well then yes, it factions in as a bit of an issue when you lay such a term of expectancy down in such words!

That information is free from Inelia (as well as many others). It's the delivery of the education or knowledge that decides the price.

Look at how much knowledge is for free here http://ascension101.com/

The books are for sale, as is the course but then that takes money to produce and deliver. Who should pay for that?

Valid points. But if I was to choose to help mankind in such a manner and that required finance.. I wouldn't look to the people I'm trying to help for that cashflow injection even more so when I'm not providing enough of the goods! Just goes against my moral standpoint to be honest. If I was to help an old lady across the street I wouldn't charge her a £5er for it. Somethings in life, particularly goals, you have to make sacrifices for.

As I said in my earlier post.. with books and other physical products on her website aside.. MP3s are nothing more than a virtual product made up of code. Inelia didn't sit there writing that code out string by string. Her only cost would have been the time it took to take a text file, put it into a wave file format and then to MP3 encryption (probably amounted to less than a penny on her electric bill) and to charge for each download at $3.00 each will see her reap a great financial return for the little investment of time required over something that shouldn't be charged for anyway! it's merely a taxation on the lazy people and the worst still.. the blind.

[Lancelot]

Big thanks to Bill and Inelia for this positive and informative interview
:)

[manny]

i also thank Bill and Inelia for their search and mission for the truth.
you are doing a great and wonderful job.,
please do not forget your friends who helped you on your journeys.
for they helped to make who you are today.
a journey is all to share.the more the merrier.;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

most of us that are gifted do see the value in what she is dong at Avalon, I feel bad seeing so many of you painting bulls eyes on her forehead.

she stepped in to protect Bill and offered herself up as a target for all of us, I know you don't understand but instead of all the negative I'll always be clueless posts, why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?


sorry manny you snuck in behind the post I meant to follow, carry on chap... ;)

[MMA_Fan]

Valid points. But if I was to choose to help mankind in such a manner and that required finance.. I wouldn't look to the people I'm trying to help for that cashflow injection...

Why not? It is them that you are helping after all - and aren't you giving them a chance to help them help themselves?


even more so when I'm not providing enough of the goods!

You would really have to try the techniques on her site to see whether it is 'providing enough of the goods'.


Just goes against my moral standpoint to be honest.

Ok, I understand your point and I would agree with regards to certain teachings and teachers. Again it comes back to quality of information I think.


If I was to help an old lady across the street I wouldn't charge her a £5er for it. Somethings in life, particularly goals, you have to make sacrifices for.

What if you took her shopping in your car and spent well over a fiver petrol? Context is important.


As I said in my earlier post.. with books and other physical products on her website aside.. MP3s are nothing more than a virtual product made up of code. Inelia didn't sit there writing that code out string by string. Her only cost would have been the time it took to take a text file, put it into a wave file format and then to MP3 encryption (probably amounted to less than a penny on her electric bill) and to charge for each download at $3.00 each will see her reap a great financial return for the little investment of time required over something that shouldn't be charged for anyway! it's merely a taxation on the lazy people and the worst still.. the blind.

Price isn't decided just on markup but on revenue. if you knew selling MP3's at $3 a go would sell 50 units and pay the month's electric, yet 200 at 10c a go would not then what do you do?

We can't assume Inelia made a lot of money on this - in fact I am guessing she has made very little from sales but I hope she will pop in and clarify herself.

Again - I see your point and I agree with regards to some 'guru's' but I happen to believe in Inelia and her teachings and so I would pay for certain things like the talks with her and Bill because I would get value from it. (Unlike the bloody TV license).;)

[manny]

most of us that are gifted do see the value in what she is dong at Avalon, I feel bad seeing so many of you painting bulls eyes on her forehead.

she stepped in to protect Bill and offered herself up as a target for all of us, I know you don't understand but instead of all the negative I'll always be clueless posts, why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?


sorry manny you snuck in behind the post I meant to follow, carry on chap... ;)
i have clearly stated what i would like to see happen,and it,s nothing to do with Inelia.
all is good it,s just that to admit when you have wronged someone,will set you free.
even when you reinstate someone.(they must still feel uncomfortable).
but when you open your heart ,for all to see.
you will cry for all the joy that you will perceive.
to be truthful is to be joyus ,to be joyus is to be free.
if only for a moment.

[Rocky_Shorz]

come on people, some of the richest people in the world would drop 1000 times what she is charging for what she is offering to give...

just because most of us are too poor to afford what it is worth, she is just charging a few bucks...

in a fair world, a gazillionaire would toss her a chunk of money so she would never have to charge anyone anything...

after this years carnival ride, she deserves it... ;)

[Risk Assessment]

I find it humorous that such attention is being paid to defending Inelia's financial income when I have raised even more important questions that warrant an explanation (and should warrant an explanation from many others with a sensible, brain-using disposition!). Seems some people don't have the clout to tackle such questions like this one from my initial thread post and instead draw upon beating down the less challenging ones..

How does she know that she 'entered' her body 30mins before being born? She fails to back this statement up with anything and Bill should have probed her further on this. Considering her recall of early life situations is in parts sketchy in detail and recollection, I find it hard to swallow that such an early memory could be retained with such clarity **edit: yet, others seems to have disappeared from memory altogether**. During gestation the baby is capable of feeling, emotion and has a sense of awareness. If she claims to have entered that physical being 30mins before birth then what became of the mind and soul of that child afterwards? And if she claims to have 'entered' that being which already existed then why would this be on her website?


Our body is more than our Temple. It is an integral part of us. It is not a suit we wear for an unimportant lifetime, and will shed as soon when we die and therefore is unimportant. It is in fact, our own creation. It is the physical manifestation of our Self, our Soul, our Spirit and our Divine.

I invite any responses to this.. but would like an explanation of this from Inelia herself when she has the time. As I've stated, the financial element to all this is merely a side-issue (but an issue for me and others still) and it's a small one at that compared to the main questions that I have put forward. How about we just stick to discussing those instead? :)

[greybeard]

I cant see why there is a problem with paying money, which is another form of energy for any service..
You are paying for a persons time and experience.
I certainly paid for a lot of spiritual talks/events in the early days and never regretted any of it.

Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

most of us that are gifted do see the value in what she is dong at Avalon, I feel bad seeing so many of you painting bulls eyes on her forehead.

she stepped in to protect Bill and offered herself up as a target for all of us, I know you don't understand but instead of all the negative I'll always be clueless posts, why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?


sorry manny you snuck in behind the post I meant to follow, carry on chap... ;)
i have clearly stated what i would like to see happen,and it,s nothing to do with Inelia.
all is good it,s just that to admit when you have wronged someone,will set you free.
even when you reinstate someone.(they must still feel uncomfortable).
but when you open your heart ,for all to see.
you will cry for all the joy that you will perceive.
to be truthful is to be joyus ,to be joyus is to be free.
if only for a moment.

Manny instead of dancing around the subject in every one of your posts, just change your signature line to say hey Bill, I'm waiting for you to say sorry... or Charles or Richard or Celine or whoever... most of us don't have a clue what you are asking for and are getting tired of guessing.

[Risk Assessment]

why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?



I have except they weren't hints they were fully legitimate questions, refer back to my initial post ;)

[manny]

most of us that are gifted do see the value in what she is dong at Avalon, I feel bad seeing so many of you painting bulls eyes on her forehead.

she stepped in to protect Bill and offered herself up as a target for all of us, I know you don't understand but instead of all the negative I'll always be clueless posts, why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?


sorry manny you snuck in behind the post I meant to follow, carry on chap... ;)
i have clearly stated what i would like to see happen,and it,s nothing to do with Inelia.
all is good it,s just that to admit when you have wronged someone,will set you free.
even when you reinstate someone.(they must still feel uncomfortable).
but when you open your heart ,for all to see.
you will cry for all the joy that you will perceive.
to be truthful is to be joyus ,to be joyus is to be free.
if only for a moment.

Manny instead of dancing around the subject in every one of your posts, just change your signature line to say hey Bill, I'm waiting for you to say sorry... or Charles or Richard or Celine or whoever... most of us don't have a clue what you are asking for and are getting tired of guessing.
lol thanks i needed that wake up call.;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

it is just that a forced apology means nothing, about like having your wife call to remind you to get flowers for her anniversary...

[MMA_Fan]

How does she know that she 'entered' her body 30mins before being born? She fails to back this statement up with anything and Bill should have probed her further on this. Considering her recall of early life situations is in parts sketchy in detail and recollection, I find it hard to swallow that such an early memory could be retained with such clarity **edit: yet, others seems to have disappeared from memory altogether**. During gestation the baby is capable of feeling, emotion and has a sense of awareness. If she claims to have entered that physical being 30mins before birth then what became of the mind and soul of that child afterwards?

Search 'body intelligence' on this forum - it has been explained, you just missed it.


And if she claims to have 'entered' that being which already existed then why would this be on her website?


Our body is more than our Temple. It is an integral part of us. It is not a suit we wear for an unimportant lifetime, and will shed as soon when we die and therefore is unimportant. It is in fact, our own creation. It is the physical manifestation of our Self, our Soul, our Spirit and our Divine.



I don't see the contradiction.

[manny]

it is just that a forced apology means nothing, about like having your wife call to remind you to get flowers for her anniversary...
of course you are right.
and i am wrong in my pursuit.
i was just thinking of how Sepia may have felt.
nothing to do with me.
I AM SORRY.
you see rocky it took a sentance from you to make me realise i was wrong in my pursuit.
thank you.
to each there own journey.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

@ Nanoo Nanoo .. Hi and thanks for your response. You have given me much food with what you have said so I will attempt to deal with certain aspects of what you present in as methodical an approach as I can!




Obviously there is a lot a steak when one subscribes to the totality of following a false Guru and many there are of those.




this does not subscribe you to follow her and dedicate your life to being in the harem. If it did then id be walking in the opposite direction.,


Perhaps it's the case I have the wrong angle on what you've said here but I cannot help but to detect a level of contradiction in what you have said with these two statements. With what you suggest about there being no requirement to follow her words you are at the same time claiming with apparently open arms and no visible challenge from what I can detect that she is not a false Guru and you also lay the subtleties that suggest you are following her word or in the least accepting it as some form of guidance/fact or as you put it with your own words - you are 'resonating' with her. Most people of an intelligible disposition would conclude this to be a shepherd/flock scenario given one is drawing substance with confounded belief that is thought to be applicable for the use and benefit of their own life-path - which amounts to nothing more than a teacher/pupil or leader/follower situation when you break things right down This polar situation is a situation that penetrates most levels of communication and understandings in society so you cannot ignore or sidestep away from the implications that such a ubiquitous trend has in this debate.

You have missed the point. I resonate with her message. Its the message she delivers, nothing more. She does not claim to be a guru or does she want you to follow her , she says that quite plainly, Follow your own wisdom .. i cant explain it any clearer than that :)




If someone has a gift of lets say Healing with the hands, someone talented at miraculously being able to heal the sick. Would it be a sin to charge for this service ?


Well sin wouldn't be my choice of word here but as almost everything negative can be deduced to such then my answer would be yes. Why? ..money is the root of much evil. I don't use bank accounts for various ethical reasons so I am excluded from the ability to obtain such information that is sold at a financial cost. Also, besides myself, there would be many others exempt from such an ability to purchase this information.. those without internet, computers etc. Set that aside for a minute, MP3s are nothing more than a virtual product, they are not physical products. It's only code. The same kind of stuff that websites and website content are built using. Hence, to charge for a virtual audio product containing information that already exists for free on her website (so claimed) is merely a taxation on the lazy. If it is such that Inelia wishes to do good then perhaps seeking an alternative income to support her efforts would help towards numbing the concerns of those who believe (as Amer stated) that the information she is relaying is information we all have the free and divine right to know without economic tie-ins.

With regards to what Amer stated..



you do not charge money for the impartment of your wisdom that comes directly from the divine. It is not yours to sell. Period. She has in as many words said that she is a vessel for higher powers- she is selling what has been divinely given.


This just echoes my sentiments exactly.

I completely agree with you , you should both go and learn it for your selves for free , come back in 20 years when you have stumbled across the wisdom that is condenced in nelias message and free web site, and show us how .. But dont you dare charge for the journey and spiritual messages ok ! aah

Ok enough with the jokes. Some people dont like that divine teaching is sold or at least made sustainable , mind you there are more important things to protest that are sold that have no value..



would that make the healer any less capable of healing because he or she decided to make it sustainable ?


No. Of course not. Just makes Inelia economically better off.




I watched the video a few times and i enjoyed the message. I have no questions regarding it because i understand with my ability to read and understand. I have confidense in that i dont want to waste time with red tape. its a matter of taking a message on face value. If it resonates and makes a difference then you have achieved another level of understanding. This level of understanding is the desired goal.


Well in that case, as you feel no need to cross-examine the testimony given yourself.. perhaps you can already answer the question I put that asks how it is she is knowing of the fact that she 'entered' her body 30mins before birth - the same body that she claims on her website to be something that manifests from the already present self - a statement I made in my first post which has seemingly gone without challenge, answer or elaboration to. Such a statement would ring alarm bells and beg the same question from anyone with an inquisitive and calculative mind. To dismiss such practice of inquisition is something found common in those deemed gullible.

My view on this is simple , her claims mean nothing to me.. her history , the events she claims to have been part of .. in order to prove these as a skeptic , id have to be there and see it for my own eyes.. what a waste of time that is .. I dont need to see it .. All that resonates with me .. and if you look over my posts to before her video came out, i was sprouting the same message.. so when i heard what she was saying it resonated with me .. that means to me that someone else feels the same way i do and that made me feel validated. This in turn gives ME power to continue on MY quest sepperately from Inelia or without having to subscribe to her or give her money .. She gave this information freely and it made a positive effect on my life. I like Inelias " MESSAGE " she delivers a MESSAGE FREELY and yet we stand and stare at the dirt on the glass as opposed to the view through the window...




IMO Skepticism is its own reward and one posessed by people who lack confidense in their own abilities and in turn want to be lead.


Sorry but I don't agree with that opinion and it reeks of gullibility.

I must apologise , i did sprinkle some pepper in that remark, but i believe Skeptics like Pesimists are the lead weights around the ankles of progress. I researched about some retired people in Texas that wanted to start their own Skeptic/ Pesimists Club.. but it dosent exist because they all thought it wouldnt work.. Every Skeptic i have ever met has a sadness in their heart of a lack of confidense.. they have been hurt .. this is why they need PROOF of everything .. so they dont have to have Faith.. that to me is a sad existance and i say that with respect but if you want honesty thats it.. Skeptics expect perfection and my dear friend it dosent exist except for in your own soul




Tell me .. if you listen to or read a body of work and find faults in it , all be it minor .. should the weight of that body of work be judged on these minor faults ? or should the positive parts of it be kept and used ? My question is why do people concentrate on the lowest common denominator and then expect the maximum positive effect ? This perplexes me...


Well first up, there is the perception angle of the individual. They obviously appear less minor to you than to myself for reasons that are obvious. Personally I think these 'faults' or, as I like to call them - unanswered questions, are quite necessary in regards to processing, understanding and believing the claims being laid down. If you had no concept of what a square was or looked like and someone went to great pains to convince you that it was a round-shaped object, without further scrutiny or cross-examination or research conducted elsewhere you would eventually and quite possibly easily be convinced of the view they were conveying to you and accept that as solid fact and truth. This we see with prominence in society with religion and so forth and for the simple reason being that people as a collective and even on an individual basis are susceptible to mis-judgement based on things that they perceive to be resonating with them in some way.




Hugs


again, I'm not wishing to offend anyone here. Just merely conveying my understandings and concerns. Inelia does indeed seem like a very nice person and not the type of person I would cross off my birthday party invite list with any given haste. What she gives in the interview is open to interpretation from more angles than one and with this approach I cannot help but to find contradiction and questionable detail. It's unfortunate that there is little given from which I'm capable to substantiate any concrete conclusions upon however I draw some good from the message given as a whole. If what she says resonates with some people then so be it and if it aids as a tool for people and their own life path then that can only be a good thing and I can't lay argument to that. I can argue that not to be on the same path as other people in regards to this does not necessarily denote negativity on my behalf and as far as my personal standpoint goes and that of others, asking for a greater level of substance and convincing is nothing but fair in form and a legitimate request and I invite and hope that Inelia can present more to convince me further in respects to what she talks about.


Understood, i guess where we differ is that I see something for the good in it , i take that good and disguard what has no use to me. I have no interest in knowing or validating her experiences, it wont make one iota of a difference to the MESSAGE , Wanting to validate the PERSON is what people do when they want to follow a Guru.. they want to put their faith in the PERSON as opposed to the MESSAGE. This happened with Christ too .. He said Do not follow me but follow the words of my wisdom. Yet people wanted proof , they wanted to see miracles and then they crucified him because he was painted a heretic .. great .. Can we learn from this huge mistake in humanities ways and move forward with the MESSAGE instead of crucifying the messenger ?

Hugs back http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/hugs.gif

I have nothing but hugs for you my dear friend ! I love debate and i feel strong that someone will benefit from our messages ! :)

Regards

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[Risk Assessment]

You would really have to try the techniques on her site to see whether it is 'providing enough of the goods'.

I admit to not having canvassed every page of her website. The 'goods' I speak of include an answer to that needed to be asked question I put forward alongside an interview that would do more to convince the more skeptical of people. Having said that, I take up the challenge to explore the techniques laid out on her website and will see where that leads me http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/xyxthumbs.gif





If I was to help an old lady across the street I wouldn't charge her a £5er for it. Somethings in life, particularly goals, you have to make sacrifices for.

What if you took her shopping in your car and spent well over a fiver petrol? Context is important.


The payment would come in gratitude, the profit in knowing I have done a good deed. The loss would simply be negligible in the whole scheme of things! Would I not be incurring a loss of time when walking her across the road? again.. sacrifice.





As I said in my earlier post.. with books and other physical products on her website aside.. MP3s are nothing more than a virtual product made up of code. Inelia didn't sit there writing that code out string by string. Her only cost would have been the time it took to take a text file, put it into a wave file format and then to MP3 encryption (probably amounted to less than a penny on her electric bill) and to charge for each download at $3.00 each will see her reap a great financial return for the little investment of time required over something that shouldn't be charged for anyway! it's merely a taxation on the lazy people and the worst still.. the blind.

Price isn't decided just on markup but on revenue. if you knew selling MP3's at $3 a go would sell 50 units and pay the month's electric, yet 200 at 10c a go would not then what do you do?


Me personally, I'd stick to the physical products for revenue.



We can't assume Inelia made a lot of money on this - in fact I am guessing she has made very little from sales but I hope she will pop in and clarify herself.


I agree, I also doubt she would have made much money but to be honest I don't have such a desire to know about her financial standings I'm more concerned with just the moral standpoint from my POV.




Again - I see your point and I agree with regards to some 'guru's' but I happen to believe in Inelia and her teachings and so I would pay for certain things like the talks with her and Bill because I would get value from it. (Unlike the bloody TV license).;)


You have a TV? http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/scratchchin.gif



I think some people have taken me a little too steeply on the subject of financial transactions for information here. Granted, there is the fundamental factor that this information should be free for all and it is, even on Inelia's website. I simply don't agree in putting 'such' free information into a marketable format whereby people have to pay for it just because it incurred a cost to do so.

[Risk Assessment]

@Nanoo Nanoo .. Hello again! :)

I've not got the time to fully respond tonight but I couldn't let a couple of your comments slip by so soon without a comeback!



I researched about some retired people in Texas that wanted to start their own Skeptic/ Pesimists Club.. but it dosent exist because they all thought it wouldnt work..

LOL http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/xyxthumbs.gif



Every Skeptic i have ever met has a sadness in their heart of a lack of confidense.. they have been hurt .. this is why they need PROOF of everything .. so they dont have to have Faith.. that to me is a sad existance and i say that with respect but if you want honesty thats it.. Skeptics expect perfection and my dear friend it dosent exist except for in your own soul [/FONT]

Again, I can't agree with you there. I don't think it's a human trait that can be generalized upon. Bill, as an example, classes himself as a bit of a skeptic but he retains an open-minded approach to things and doesn't strike me as someone filled with sadness or as someone without an element of faith.


just a few points to note about skeptics..

There is a skeptic in all of us some have it in very small doses.. others in large.
Skeptics tend not to fall for traps so easily and are not susceptible to con-artists as much as Dogmatists.
Skeptics tend to be so due to experiences whereby they had made the mistake of not being skeptical enough.
Skepticism may slow down one's ability to transact but it doesn't mean being one leads you to fail in the ability to.
Some skeptics do actually have open minds and free themselves to degrees that extend beyond the rational.
Dogmatists are easy food for smart people.

Anyway.. will come back to fully digest your message a bit later but just to add that I think it's fair to assume we agree to disagree on some things here which in my book doesn't warrant the need for any bitterness or conflict. I'm just quite happy in the knowledge that we are both capable of debating this openly and in a mature way without things spiraling downwards into a slanging match!. http://www.subvertcentral.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif

[9eagle9]

A long time ago people USED to support their healers, their medicine people,their miracle workers. Communities don't do that anymore. Of course they didn't get wealthy from this but they had food, roof over head, things of that nature. So its people's call. What do you want. A medicine person can be available to do free work but someone has to make sure they are looked after. Or someone who charges a fee because communities don't support their healers?


They are humans not demi gods. They don't live on air.

Or you can pay them. It depends on what they are doing. Miracle healers heal the physical body, the emotional body, and the mental body. Not spiritual work.

[Risk Assessment]

Search 'body intelligence' on this forum - it has been explained, you just missed it.

Can you provide a link please? A forum search did not produce such a thread in the results.




And if she claims to have 'entered' that being which already existed then why would this be on her website?


Our body is more than our Temple. It is an integral part of us. It is not a suit we wear for an unimportant lifetime, and will shed as soon when we die and therefore is unimportant. It is in fact, our own creation. It is the physical manifestation of our Self, our Soul, our Spirit and our Divine.



I don't see the contradiction.

The contradiction as I see it is the fact she entered her body 30mins before birth but states the body is our own creation. Well for starters that rules out sex acts as being the catalyst for one's existence. Considering a baby takes nearly a year to develop and she arrived from out of nowhere to fill this shell 30mins before birth.. how can it be that it's a creation of her own doing? An unborn child has the ability to think, feel, hear and see and memorizes through habituation long before 30mins before birth so I ask again.. what happened then to the unborn child with intelligence that existed prior to her entering it's body? Was there a war of the womb taking place here? To suggest that one is occupying a body just before it is born is in par, I believe, with suggesting that fetal development especially of the intelligence criteria does not occur.

Am I still missing something here? I might consider myself not to be gullible but I can on occasion be slightly short of the mark, I admit to that! I'm also aware that there are people on this forum who have been submerged in the spiritual lifestyle for long periods and some for longer periods and that they have more insight and understanding than I do at present. I don't rule out all spiritual concepts put forward as that of being non-believable but it would be nice to have some of this stuff laid down with some degree of substantiating evidence. If Inelia could provide documented evidence (which would exist) of this person whom she cured of terminal illness then I would be half-way towards being convinced.

I think there's not one person on this planet today who doesn't believe that there is something special going on under the surface of humanity and on a spiritual level which we have been withheld from knowing the truth about but to convince the masses requires more than just a few words from someone in a video. Again, I'm not trying to draw away from Inelia's overall positive message but the story... well, at the moment it's just a story.

[sheddie]

Interesting points RiskAssessment that really do need answering by Inelia herself......please :)

much love x

[Someoneson1]

Wow and thank you both.

Randy

[animalspirits]

Inelia and Bill,

Thank you so much for this stunning interview!

[Amer]

Every Skeptic i have ever met has a sadness in their heart of a lack of confidense.. they have been hurt .. this is why they need PROOF of everything .. so they dont have to have Faith.. that to me is a sad existance and i say that with respect but if you want honesty thats it.. Skeptics expect perfection and my dear friend it dosent exist except for in your own soul

Hi Nanoo Nanoo, let's not make sceptic into a bad word or indicative of being wanting on a deeper level.... or indeed I shall pack up the caravan and move on! I charge myself as being a healthy sceptic, if I have sadness in my heart it is not due to the fact of being a sceptic and in the confidence department I'm coming on in leaps and bounds :)..... but not for the fact that I have abandoned my healthy dose of scepticism ;)
The sceptic doubts and questions what many consider to be accepted opinions. I believe it is of special importance in the alternative information field, if I may I will repeat myself from the Inelia thread where Bill seemed a bit miffed that there was a little bit too much negativity in the questions for Inelia and not enough looking at the importance of what she had to say:


When people present themselves either as those who walk around with 5000 year old men at their side or coming from a 10th dimension we need to question. And thank the stars that we question- also provocatively – because otherwise how do we ourselves learn and secondly how do we expose those that truly need to be exposed?


The sceptic does a job that is of service to everyone- she/he asks pernickety questions that many don't want to ask either because they fear that will be perceived as being too negative or else they are too naive/enlightenment seeking obsessed to have a question even enter their head (oh dear I do mean that in a good way! )

Here's the crunch- it's all in the way you ask and come across. There is the genuine sceptic who has a genuine desire to question and know truth and there is the ants-in-your-pants sceptic that really couldn't give a toss at the outcome, they just want to question for question sake, they are so full of their own established truths there is merely room for question but little else.

In considering myself a healthy sceptic it means that I question in order to have the tools to discern. Sometimes I don't even have to question, in that some body of information or an individual will present itself and my antennae of BS detection will go off and I will immediately go into sceptic mode, very often I will let it play out often observing and not questioning but filtering first with a sceptic's sieve. But generally I'm a very open sceptic.

Once upon a long time ago Nanoo Nanoo I had a type of blind faith but blind faith is not mature nor worthy of who we are. When I started to question the incongruities that had become so huge then I started on a real path to knowing myself and it's been so much more fun since then I promise..... or else I wouldn't be here :)

Didn't mean to rattle on so long :blah: Sorry!
Amer

[Anno]

[...]The sceptic doubts and questions what many consider to be accepted opinions.[...]

I wouldn't actually call that a Skeptic. To me, a Skeptic is someone that is convinced something is wrong and seeks data to prove themselves right. They use that awful 'debunk' word. I see them as no different from a blind believer who is convinced something is right and seeks data to prove themselves right.
That's my impression from seeing the celeb Skeptics on tv and the occasional dark time when Google lead me into the Skeptic forum to find something.

I'd say you're just sensible, Amer.

[ulli]

[...]The sceptic doubts and questions what many consider to be accepted opinions.[...]

I wouldn't actually call that a Skeptic. To me, a Skeptic is someone that is convinced something is wrong and seeks data to prove themselves right. They use that awful 'debunk' word. I see them as no different from a blind believer who is convinced something is right and seeks data to prove themselves right.
That's my impression from seeing the celeb Skeptics on tv and the occasional dark time when Google lead me into the Skeptic forum to find something.

I'd say you're just sensible, Amer.

Right, Amer.
A truth seeker must always have a healthy dose of skepticism
but not all skeptics are truthseekers.

So better to be a skeptical truthseeker
than a skeptic who is not interested in truth.

The English American spelling is skeptic
while the English English is sceptic with a c
as in sceptic tank

does that mean the American Skeptic smells better?

[Amer]

as in sceptic tank


lol .... Ulli I think that's septic tank :) ....... though I totally agree with you on the other more sweetly smelling sentiments :)
Amer.

[Amer]

To me, a Skeptic is someone that is convinced something is wrong and seeks data to prove themselves right. They use that awful 'debunk' word. I see them as no different from a blind believer who is convinced something is right and seeks data to prove themselves right.


You know Anno I reckon that's an example of how the English language is becoming misappropriated- not your fault obviously!- but due to the incorrect usage in the general media and people get taken up wrong if they label themselves sceptic! I promise it's all positive!

Definition of SKEPTICISM

1
: an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object

2
a: the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain b: the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of skeptics

3
: doubt concerning basic religious principles (as immortality, providence, and revelation)

[Unified Serenity]

Interesting comments some have made about Inelia making money from her work that is per her words a divine mission. I have no issues with her making a living sharing her abilities and teaching others how to do it as well. If one is sincere and comes from a spiritual place of love and sharing and people wish to take up their time, it should be compensated. I have dedicated my life to spiritual learning and honing my talents. Yes, I have been given or learned how to access other dimensions that I will just call astral or spiritual realm, but it came for me after seeking, learning, and a great deal of time and sacrifice. I could have pursued a more worldly career and made a lot of money out of it much earlier on in my life. I do not do any of my work out of "how much can I make" attitude, but I will charge those who seek me out. I found that most people who would come to my spa (I sold it in 2005) would not put in the work necessary for their own healing and progression. They wanted a magic wand waived and to be made "better". In soul healing, one can help others, but the foundation that allowed the injury to take place must be fortified or built from scratch. If they cannot do the work they will often find themselves struggling again.

Why should a healer or teacher of spiritual topics be viewed any differently from a medical doctor, plumber, electrician, musician or any number of other professions that most of society including the alternative viewpoints group be allowed to make a living and provide for their family from a trade or craft they dedicated years of their lives to learning? People seek out people like me because we do get results in an area they have not chosen to learn yet. I wish Inelia well, and a prosperous life here. May she be able to pursue her mission and help others. What she does with whatever financial blessings come her way is upon her. As she said, she gives away many things to those who express a need and cannot pay. All light workers I have known do the same. It all goes full circle. It would be great if we did not need money to live in this world, but we do. Whether you obtain things by gift or just charge, you still have to live here in the now.

[Rocky_Shorz]

why don't you offer hints of what you would like to see from her?



I have except they weren't hints they were fully legitimate questions, refer back to my initial post ;)

When I say give hints, I'm talking about lessons like this... (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22728-Intro-to-Timelines-for-Dummy-s-101&p=243175&viewfull=1#post243175)


a forced apology means nothing, about like having your wife call to remind you to get flowers for her anniversary...

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Interesting comments some have made about Inelia making money from her work that is per her words a divine mission. I have no issues with her making a living sharing her abilities and teaching others how to do it as well. If one is sincere and comes from a spiritual place of love and sharing and people wish to take up their time, it should be compensated. I have dedicated my life to spiritual learning and honing my talents. Yes, I have been given or learned how to access other dimensions that I will just call astral or spiritual realm, but it came for me after seeking, learning, and a great deal of time and sacrifice. I could have pursued a more worldly career and made a lot of money out of it much earlier on in my life. I do not do any of my work out of "how much can I make" attitude, but I will charge those who seek me out. I found that most people who would come to my spa (I sold it in 2005) would not put in the work necessary for their own healing and progression. They wanted a magic wand waived and to be made "better". In soul healing, one can help others, but the foundation that allowed the injury to take place must be fortified or built from scratch. If they cannot do the work they will often find themselves struggling again.

Why should a healer or teacher of spiritual topics be viewed any differently from a medical doctor, plumber, electrician, musician or any number of other professions that most of society including the alternative viewpoints group be allowed to make a living and provide for their family from a trade or craft they dedicated years of their lives to learning? People seek out people like me because we do get results in an area they have not chosen to learn yet. I wish Inelia well, and a prosperous life here. May she be able to pursue her mission and help others. What she does with whatever financial blessings come her way is upon her. As she said, she gives away many things to those who express a need and cannot pay. All light workers I have known do the same. It all goes full circle. It would be great if we did not need money to live in this world, but we do. Whether you obtain things by gift or just charge, you still have to live here in the now.

Extremely well worded :) Thank you

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[9eagle9]

Unfortunately abilities are not taught, they are shown. Its just something waiting to be expressed and abilities are highly individual expressed along a person's personality.

There is not a truely enabled person who understands who ever claims they were taught an ability. Perhaps they had to learn to understand it but an ability can no more be taught than one can be taught to breath. It just occurs when the conditions are made for their expression.

One doesn't have to teach what comes naturally if you leave the bs out of it. You show it to a person because people cannot see themselves clearly. And there is so much bs about ability that enabled people will never have thier full expression because ....a false standard has been created around it.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I suppose like anything defining something is subjective to ones own experience. To me a Skeptic is what i have previously described. I also have a belief that Skepticism is the " Protection Circuit " built into beings that are still learning to discern Truth with more than just the brain. When you learn to feel truth as opposed to seek it you will quicken your learning skills and be able to discard information that is not useful. My dear Skeptic friends the world is full of useless information ... you wont find me sifting through it ,,,

If we are to create a higher vibration , it is my opinion that we must do without any negatives such as Skepticism. In being s Skeptic by very definition precludes you to seeing exactly whats in front of you. Because you are using old out dated dramas to guide you in your present. In order to see and hear truth you must have courage to let go. To have Faith in your self and Trust in your own abilities. Skepticism is a safety net for those who are still to have the Courage to follow their intuition truly.

Please do not take my words as a put down or as truth, there is no such thing as truth or lies in the absolute.. they are all the same. just varying degrees of the scale and in that is not beneficial to dig for absolution of a definition of Honesty. .. these are my interpretations of how it all works. Some may agree and some do not, either is completely ok. :)

And please do not think i am a blind believer.. this is foolish IMO .. I have my eyes wide open.. i see everything without judgement and that allows my intuition to tell me without doubt , that there is something in what i choose to focus on or not. In my life if i chose to limit my Intuition with Skepticism then all i have learned is useless.

When you look upon something you must have a clear mind and heart. Or old things can guide you as opposed to what is in front of you .. experience without paranoya is ok but nothing can beat the totality of a clear mind and intuition.


I want to hug everybody now ! YEY ! :)

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[9eagle9]

The same can be said to those who slavishly adhere to beliefs that cannot be demonstrated in the least and keep those from fulfilling their authentic self. Sad empty lonely people looking for a parental figure or a god figure , drawn there by the wounds they have. Their desire to fit in and be part of something when all they need is to know their own self value. Instead they turn to gurus and invisible people hovering in spacecraft in another dimension and then have the temerity to say that people who are skeptical are lost people for using some discernment in where they invest their soul at.

At least that sort of skeptic values their spirit enough not to give it up to any old invisible thing that comes down the track that offers it nothing but platitudes but no substance. Not the sort of substantial miracle making that knowing your own SELF expresses.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Skeptic = Birther

any questions? ;)

[Nanoo Nanoo]

A long time ago people USED to support their healers, their medicine people,their miracle workers. Communities don't do that anymore. Of course they didn't get wealthy from this but they had food, roof over head, things of that nature. So its people's call. What do you want. A medicine person can be available to do free work but someone has to make sure they are looked after. Or someone who charges a fee because communities don't support their healers?


They are humans not demi gods. They don't live on air.

Or you can pay them. It depends on what they are doing. Miracle healers heal the physical body, the emotional body, and the mental body. Not spiritual work.

I agree with this statement. However healers and spiritual workers still exist and bata their services. In the mountains of Cusco , Peru, Machu Pichu ( and im sure other places as well ) Medicine men still give healing with a wholisitc approach and in return receive food or clothes as a thank you for the effort. Indeed in some villages where the people are so poor we visit them and give healing free and the thanks they give would bring the hardest man to his knees in tears .. to feel a sinscere thank you like that from such a humble being, looking into your eyes asking god to bless you for helping them outweighs any financial renumeration, A sinscere thank you is the most beautiful thing i have ever experienced in my life and in just thinking about it fills me with the most wonderful love and gratitude.

If i could exist as a healer or spiritual worker like that i would not care for money .. ever .. but in western society it is customary to give renumeration in return for a service. People in western cultures feel good about paying for a service. It makes them feel they have given something back for that they have received. This is a warranted transaction.


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[9eagle9]

In the westernized world we don't do that.

Now if someone is teaching abundance manifestation why should they have to charge for the class to teach it. NOT charging for a class in abundance speaks more about how convinced the teacher is about their material than charging for the class. If the teacher is saying I need to be paid to teach you how to manifest abundance they are sending a mixed message.

Spirit ALWAYS supports the spiritual teacher, always. No one can be coaxed into going into a paradigm in which they are starved and uncomfortable because those are not the things that spirit teaches you. Ego teaches sacrifice, spirit doesn't. Spirit supports us so we can go about our business without having to be distracted by things like food or rent payments.

People who are doing healing work in other areas beyond the spiritual ..I suppose they have to depend on fees if they are not depending on spirit to provide for them. And trust me spirit provides very well, because it understands the difference between existence and abundance . Its people who don't understand the concept. I live way beyond my means and I have no idea how I do it....

because I'm not doing it.

[ulli]

I honestly don't know how this thing works.
There are just no rules...
I used to have a shop, everything was priced, and hence no problems...people just paid.

But those chart readings...I don't even consider it "spiritual" work, I'm more like a shrink...

Last time I was in Barbados I only did 5 charts...not really enough to live on.
I don't advertise, and my friends forgot to help me get clients...

And one of those sessions I charged only 1/2 of what I intended,
another... the person was really poor so I didn't charge at all...
it just came out of my mouth that way...
then another case of an English "Lady" somebody, I said $100, and she gave me $200, and said the other bill is a tip.

The ones who get freebees I asked them not to tell the whole world...I have rent to pay.

[9eagle9]

I don't consider astrology charts spiritual work. I'm glad someone else does it personally because if I had to horse around with all those symbols I'd claw my eyes out.

Still I have been to people who don't charge, and I do pay them anyway as a sort of gratitude. I'm sure they have enough free loaders on their hands.

There are no rules, you are correct. You just keep plugging along till you get it right.

The short list of judgements you will hear if you work in the healing or spiritual arts.

I've heard it all but way too much to list:

You don't charge? You must not be very good.
You have a low fee? You must not be very good.
You accept donations? You must not think very highly of yourself if you're putting a beggars bowl out.
You charge a hundred dollars an hour? You must be a shill.
You only charge accept tobacco? Tobacco is filthy, dirty and addicting.
You stopped doing spiritual work because its too hard to make a living? You're selfish.
What do you mean I should pay you whatever I want, don't you have a mind of your own?

You HAVE to give me a reading, you're doing gods work.
No I'm not
yes you are
No. I'm not.
Yes, you are.
No I'm not. I'm doing MY work if I was doing God's work none of us would be here right now. You'd all be taped to the wall with a gag around your mouth. That is why God doesn't let any of us do his work. S/He knows we're human.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

I guess i see it this way. If i see a book or a body of work that i wish to read or learn i am happy to purchase this body of work as a thank you for the time and effort the person put into it. I hope that they use this renumeration to further spread their good word. This is merely reciprication

if money as an entity represents evil to you then maybe you need to re evaluate money.. money is no more evil than the man who spends it .. money , like anything is only representative of the intent embedded within its reciprication.

Like music .. if i like some music i could down load it for free ... or i could purchase the CD .. i prefer to purchase the CD because it helps the artist be sustainable. If they are sustainable then they can further spread the beauty of their music.

I spent 16 years learning and practicing healing .. i never charged a cent because i worked full time as well. But now i decided to not work in that world and dedicate my life to healing i still need to feed myself. I still need to earn so i can travel to poor countries and give healing for free to the poor and needy.

[Risk Assessment]

if money as an entity represents evil to you then maybe you need to re evaluate money.. money is no more evil than the man who spends it .. money , like anything is only representative of the intent embedded within its reciprication.


Nonsense. Money from the outset was clearly an exchange method that would warrant some better off than others causing inevitable divides in society when in fact all should be born and live with equal entitlement. You only got to look at both sides of a bill and read it's contents to see that the evil is not in the hands of it's beholder but in the concept of money itself. The man who spends money is only a slave to it.




Like music .. if i like some music i could down load it for free ... or i could purchase the CD .. i prefer to purchase the CD because it helps the artist be sustainable. If they are sustainable then they can further spread the beauty of their music.


That's noble of you however such gestures are meaningless in most musical genres these days and it's such that with the market moving away from traditional methods of physical products and instead towards digital, worthless virtual products, it's becoming increasingly difficult to both sell music and make money from music sales unless you are signed to a major label. Income I receive from music releases is non-existent and any revenue I've generated from the scene I'm a part of has never come from track sales, even those in vinyl and CD format but instead from event performances. I suggest taking the music for free unless the money goes direct to them) and trying to support the musicians you like by other means or by assisting in promoting them as in this day and age they are likely to see sweet FA from what is left after production and distribution costs have been taken care of. Musicians attempting to make a sustainable income from direct sales.. seldom ever do.

[Donna O]

If we agree that musicians, artists etc are lucky enough to possess the gift to touch and alter the human psyche - as we all know they do - then should that musician not charge for their performances? Should they still hold down a regular job and give their gifts for free? Just thoughts to contemplate.





Like music .. if i like some music i could down load it for free ... or i could purchase the CD .. i prefer to purchase the CD because it helps the artist be sustainable. If they are sustainable then they can further spread the beauty of their music.


That's noble of you however such gestures are meaningless in most musical genres these days and it's such that with the market moving away from traditional methods of physical products and instead towards digital, worthless virtual products, it's becoming increasingly difficult to both sell music and make money from music sales unless you are signed to a major label. Income I receive from music releases is non-existent and any revenue I've generated from the scene I'm a part of has never come from track sales, even those in vinyl and CD format but instead from event performances. I suggest taking the music for free unless the money goes direct to them) and trying to support the musicians you like by other means or by assisting in promoting them as in this day and age they are likely to see sweet FA from what is left after production and distribution costs have been taken care of. Musicians attempting to make a sustainable income from direct sales.. seldom ever do.

[Risk Assessment]

If we agree that musicians, artists etc are lucky enough to possess the gift to touch and alter the human psyche - as we all know they do - then should that musician not charge for their performances? Should they still hold down a regular job and give their gifts for free? Just thoughts to contemplate.

Hi Donna! It depends on the angle you enter music from and what you wish to achieve out of it. I make music due to the fact I have been into music since a very young age. I make music for my own satisfaction and only for that and if other people enjoy my music or a label wishes to sign my material I merely consider it a bonus. I could sell my music online if I chose but that is not my desire, if anything I give my music away for free as my soundcloud page would testify. As far as financial rewards are concerned, as I said, in most genres particularly mine you will find these days that due to the explosion of digital media formats and the internet itself that no one is in the game for the money any more, it no longer works like that unless, as I stated, you are signed to a major label. Releases put out on the internet or in shops are up on Russian torrent sites before the sun sets on the first day of release and this has a significant impact on music sales, great for promotion in ways but an absolute crapper if you are looking to try and make money from it. There is not an artist I know within the scene I'm part of and outside of it (and I know many many artists) who is not in a position where they are having to work a regular job or having to fund themselves in other areas of self-employment such as graphic design, web development etc to sustain a reasonable income.

[greybeard]

If we agree that musicians, artists etc are lucky enough to possess the gift to touch and alter the human psyche - as we all know they do - then should that musician not charge for their performances? Should they still hold down a regular job and give their gifts for free? Just thoughts to contemplate.


As a musician I have to say that a so called gift is a latent talent that has to be developed.
In order to play in front of people--- many hours were spent developing the necessary skill and leaning the songs.

The Enlightenment thread here is free to readers but it comes from traveling many a mile listening to advanced souls-- time in ashrams-- many books.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.

Thirty five years happily invested in the search of spiritual truth and shared freely.
With this came Kundalini and the spiritual gifts, like healing abilities ---the gifts have to be surrendered or Ego gets in there and spiritual progress come to a halt.

I dont have the slightest challenge with anyone charging a modest fee for spiritual information.

Chris

[9eagle9]

In terms of 'special' there's not much difference between a healer who has it all go to their head and begins to shill for vast amounts of money and a healer that goes out of the way to flaunt their poverty to prove how pious they are. Absolutely no difference save for one is dressed better than the other. One shows their specialness through grandiosity and the other through poverty. Neither are particularly spiritual concepts.

Vows of poverty means that material things don't mean all that much to one, it doesn't mean one should go out of their way to avoid them as its some sort of blood on their hands.

I had a woman over to visit last year for coffee a local guru who I suspected was visiting me out of nosiness instead of any real interest in what I'm doing. I made a sort of feeble apology, you know ,sort off hand excusing that my coffee cups didn't match. She made an issue with of it me so had opportunity to chastise me about concerning myself with material things. Then proceeded to gossip to all and sundry about my tacky I and my mismatched cups were...

I determined then I will never make apologies for myself self ever again not to keep the peace, not to keep the political correctness not for any reason whatsoever. Perhaps I would apologize for doing something wrong but with all the varied opinions about what is wrong its hard to determine precisely what I'd be apologizing for.

[Anchor]

I determined then I will never make apologies for myself self ever again not to keep the peace, not to keep the political correctness not for any reason whatsoever. Perhaps I would apologize for doing something wrong but with all the varied opinions about what is wrong its hard to determine precisely what I'd be apologizing for.

Sounds like the "Gossiping Guru" performed a service for you (intended or otherwise) :)

[9eagle9]

She did. She didn't do any favors for herself though...lol.




I determined then I will never make apologies for myself self ever again not to keep the peace, not to keep the political correctness not for any reason whatsoever. Perhaps I would apologize for doing something wrong but with all the varied opinions about what is wrong its hard to determine precisely what I'd be apologizing for.

Sounds like the "Gossiping Guru" performed a service for you (intended or otherwise) :)

[Donna O]

As a musician I have to say that a so called gift is a latent talent that has to be developed.
In order to play in front of people--- many hours were spent developing the necessary skill and leaning the songs.
Chris
Well my father was a singer, his 'talent' was pure gift, he was born that way. Before he turned pro he would entertain his colleagues on their lunch breaks. There are many such instances of musicians, artists, leaders and the spiritually gifted. I doubt anyone would blame them for dedicating their lives to this whilst simultaneously making a living out of it. In fact it would be a damn shame for humanity if such people didn't fulfill their life's purpose simply because they were 'bogged down' earning enough money to get them through the days.

[Enquiring1]

Oh my my.

That interview was exceptional, inspirational and influential.

Thank you Bill and Inelia.

[Catsquotl]

Thanks for the interview. I have been in several ascension over the years some leaving me with a very bitter taste.
I started doing some clearing work again just last week and then I found this. Isn't synchronicity great?
It's wonderful to see the message come across so beautiful in its simplicity.
It fills my heart with joy and my head with thousands of questions and possibilities..

With Love
Eelco

[Yoda]

Inelia's voice will be heard on Lucia Rene's free teleconference!

My friend Lucia Rene, from http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com , has invited me to join her in her free Teleconference this Saturday July 9th, 12 noon PDT, 3 pm EDT, 19:00 GMT

. We'll be speaking about how to align with the new paradigm in consciousness and, at the end of the call, Lucia will transmit the 90 Ancient Templates of Wisdom for those who have not yet received them.

More information on the Ancient Templates of Wisdom can be found here:

http://www.unplugfromthepatriarchy.com/teleconferences/ancient-templates-overview/


If you would like to join us on the call, please use this link: http://InstantTeleseminar.com/?eventID=20017083

I hope to see you there!

Love and Light

Inelia

The replay is available on the last link in this message!

[artist seeker]

Recently, I have realized that the way to clear the path ahead in my life is to raise my vibrational level. I thought of removing myself from the obstacle but that would not help me or them. Also, what Inelia said about entering into judgement is producing more negativity. So I have to hold myself in a state of non-judgement and proceed with my position in an organization. Something Inelia said applied directly to me and is exactly what I said I wanted my "timeline" to be many years ago. I am on that path and I choose to use what Inelia said as a renewed pledge to enter that timeline.
I am very grateful to recieve this message and know it will raise not only my vibrational level, but others as a consequence.
Thank you Bill, Inelia and the Source
artist seeker

[Kirsten Merrild]

Hi Bill

Hello Bill

What I seem to hear from Elenia is, that the problems we face now can not be solved at the same level as they were created, we must transcend.
Therefore it may seem like a waste of time to find the guilty ones, unless it is to be able to be present with them at a higher level.
The higher consciousness - God if you will - will arrange meetings for you with the right person at the right time, place and level. And just being there without any condemning or agenda will break the timeline.
Am I right? and is that what you also have experienced?

Love and light
Kirsten

[Finch]

Thank you both, Inelia and Bill.

That interview put a new lens infront alot of events, feelings, hunches and general 'thingies' and 'somethings' that have been cropping up for many years.
A while ago I felt like I'd been nudged off some path and had become lost along the way. The two of you have reminded me that I must re-engage with my purpose and passions.
I'll stop and help out where I can along the way.

Once again, I tip my hat to you Bill. It's not quite as impressive as yours but I still like it ;)

Finch

[bridgetlilstar]

One of the most incredible interview I've ever seen..that message resonated with me on so many levels, a huge thank to Bill and Inelia!!!!! I don't feel "strange" anymore.. When I shared that video with my sister, she cried. She was so overwhelmed with the information, the emotions that came up. So I believe a lot of people have been touched and I just feel happy about that:)

[puurfectten]

;)wow......maybe it's not just by chance that i'm here right now...can't find the words..

[ernesto]

This was Great!!!
thanks

Ernesto

[Daphne]

My first post to this forum. Thanks for accepting my membership application. I briefly want to say how grateful I am to Inelia and the powerful work she does. It's very good to know that there is so much behind the scenes work going on. Especially since On the outside things look worse than ever. I am grateful to have found you here.
Daphne

[ulli]

My first post to this forum. Thanks for accepting my membership application. I briefly want to say how grateful I am to Inelia and the powerful work she does. It's very good to know that there is so much behind the scenes work going on. Especially since On the outside things look worse than ever. I am grateful to have found you here.
Daphne


Hello Daphne, You first find us, then you find yourself,
and your place and mission in the universe.
Well, at least that's what happened to quite a few of us...
Welcome.

[Daphne]

Thank you Ulli. I have this deep sense of "rightness" about being here already.

I am open to finding and developing my place and mission in the Universe...
So grateful.

[Anchor]

I briefly want to say how grateful I am to Inelia and the powerful work she does.

Me too.

I think Inelia has been misunderstood by many - caught up in some of the detail.

I think she is the real deal.

Personally I do not necessarily agree with all of what she has said about herself and her mode of entry into this reality, to my mind it does not matter. If you read it as an analogy then it works. What she does, how she helps awaken people - that is what matters more than anything.

What we do now, not what we have done.

What we do now, not what we will/may do in the future.