Multidimensional demon lords

[ktlight]

FYI:

Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -


We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so.

They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.

Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.

In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

I know that even though you have never suffered hunger you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.

Sorcerers see infant human beings as strange, luminous balls of energy, covered from the top to the bottom with a glowing coat, something like a plastic cover that is adjusted tightly over their cocoon of energy. That glowing coat of awareness is what the predators consume, and when a human being reaches adulthood, all that is left of that glowing coat of awareness is a narrow fringe that goes from the ground to the top of the toes. That fringe permits mankind to continue living, but only barely.
To my knowledge, man is the only species that has the glowing coat of awareness outside that luminous cocoon. Therefore, he became easy prey for an awareness of a different order, such as the heavy awareness of the predator.

This narrow fringe of awareness is the epicenter of self-reflection, where man is irremediably caught. By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order to them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudoconcerns.

There's nothing that you and I can do about it. All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us. How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you, and the more aggressive ones will beat the crap out of you. And not so much because they don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there's an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence.

Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.

Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer. The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious task.

If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it'll keep on glowing. Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. They found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, giving to any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The foreign installation comes back, I assure you, but not as strong, and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine, until one day it flees permanently. A sad day indeed! That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices, which are nearly zero. There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to.
excerpt taken from The Active Side of Infinity


source
http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan12.html

[Carmen]

I read these books years and years ago, with a faint glimmer of understanding. Now it is understandable. Thanks for this thread.

[ponda]

Nice words from Mr Castenada.

I always find the phrase "they gave us their mind" very interesting and like to try to think exactly how this is/was done(if true).It might be done by conscious influence,mind control and conditioning through control of the media,laws,education etc but i suspect that there's a little bit more to it.What controls or influences the 'flyers' might be the same thing that influences us.It might be of a higher dimensional plane and be more consciousness than physical.

Thanks for posting this klight.

[Teakai]

Nice words from Mr Castenada.

I always find the phrase "they gave us their mind" very interesting and like to try to think exactly how this is/was done(if true).It might be done by conscious influence,mind control and conditioning through control of the media,laws,education etc but i suspect that there's a little bit more to it.What controls or influences the 'flyers' might be the same thing that influences us.It might be of a higher dimensional plane and be more consciousness than physical.

Thanks for posting this klight.

Hi Ponda, this makes me think of Jonathan Klecks summary of the ancient Sumerian tablet that he decoded where it looks as though DNA is being transcribed into the pharoah. Perhaps this is how they gave us their mind?
Here's the video if you haven't already seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI

[Billy]

I read these books years and years ago, with a faint glimmer of understanding. Now it is understandable. Thanks for this thread.

SNAP :tea:

Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.

Love it

[ponda]

Teakai said;

Hi Ponda, this makes me think of Jonathan Klecks summary of the ancient Sumerian tablet that he decoded where it looks as though DNA is being transcribed into the pharoah. Perhaps this is how they gave us their mind?

Hi Teakai

Yes exactly.

This is why the bloodlines are so important in regards to the control of the planet through the easily manipulated ruling elite etc.

Also i would imagine that the collection of our energies and the lessening of our higher abilities would be a large part of the dna manipulations.

Ta for the vid :)

[fox.mulder]

Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

[ponda]

Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.

[Teakai]

Hi Teakai

Yes exactly.

This is why the bloodlines are so important in regards to the control of the planet through the easily manipulated ruling elite etc.

Also i would imagine that the collection of our energies and the lessening of our higher abilities would be a large part of the dna manipulations.

Ta for the vid :)

Mmmm, I wonder what we could do if we only knew we could :)

There's this guy called Neil Slade who talks about clicking your amygdala forward. This is something you can do consciously - and every time you do it you are connecting to your higher brain and everytime you do that you are rewiring connections.
I think in this society we spend a lot of our time in lower (reptilian/survival/fear)brain mode - which is where and how we can be controlled by their methods - and as such higher mind is atrophying.
Perhaps if we all started madly clicking our amygdala's forward we would raise ourselves out of 'their' reach?

That reminds me - Christ consciousness is apparently located in the higher mind. I think this is what the message of the bible might be all about - only it's been personified and coded and all messed up and a lot of people are missing the real message - staying in lower mind and hoping for someone outside themsleves to save them from themselves.

Neil Slade amygdala chart: http://www.neilslade.com/chart.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

Hi Fox. I tend to agree with you on a human perspective in regard to people possibly being seen as selfish by bringing life into this world - especially when you realise how things really are re: the way of the world and whose running it, but from a soul perspective we know what we're getting into coming here. I think this is why earth has such a high learning potential.

I disagree with the culling part, though. These people have not evolved into their human positions, they have been manipulated into them - by those who would design their version of Utopia.

[ponda]

Teakai said:

Mmmm, I wonder what we could do if we only knew we could

The bad guys aren't the only game in town.Help or evolution might be on its way.The sun has been emitting some new 'stuff' of late.The great game is starting to get interesting.

[fox.mulder]

Hi Teakai

Yes exactly.

This is why the bloodlines are so important in regards to the control of the planet through the easily manipulated ruling elite etc.

Also i would imagine that the collection of our energies and the lessening of our higher abilities would be a large part of the dna manipulations.

Ta for the vid :)

Mmmm, I wonder what we could do if we only knew we could :)

There's this guy called Neil Slade who talks about clicking your amygdala forward. This is something you can do consciously - and every time you do it you are connecting to your higher brain and everytime you do that you are rewiring connections.
I think in this society we spend a lot of our time in lower (reptilian/survival/fear)brain mode - which is where and how we can be controlled by their methods - and as such higher mind is atrophying.
Perhaps if we all started madly clicking our amygdala's forward we would raise ourselves out of 'their' reach?

That reminds me - Christ consciousness is apparently located in the higher mind. I think this is what the message of the bible might be all about - only it's been personified and coded and all messed up and a lot of people are missing the real message - staying in lower mind and hoping for someone outside themsleves to save them from themselves.

Neil Slade amygdala chart: http://www.neilslade.com/chart.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

Hi Fox. I tend to agree with you on a human perspective in regard to people possibly being seen as selfish by bringing life into this world - especially when you realise how things really are re: the way of the world and whose running it, but from a soul perspective we know what we're getting into coming here. I think this is why earth has such a high learning potential.

I disagree with the culling part, though. These people have not evolved into their human positions, they have been manipulated into them - by those who would design their version of Utopia.

I dont understand the incarnating thing, however it does fit the facts particularly with the testimonies of many people who recall past lives. I dont understand that if I am smart enough in my so called non corporeal consciousness form why do i need to learn? Ickes theory of "a human experience" seems logical but I would have to be hard up for experience to live here on earth. But it could be like a game of halo where you die and respawn over and over and over.....

I would like more investigation into whether we are hijacked and if so, then more about the hijackers.

How ridiculous is it that we dont really know who we are.

[ponda]

fox.mulder said:

I dont understand the incarnating thing, however it does fit the facts particularly with the testimonies of many people who recall past lives. I dont understand that if I am smart enough in my so called non corporeal consciousness form why do i need to learn? Ickes theory of "a human experience" seems logical but I would have to be hard up for experience to live here on earth. But it could be like a game of halo where you die and respawn over and over and over.....

I would like more investigation into whether we are hijacked and if so, then more about the hijackers.

How ridiculous is it that we dont really know who we are.

From one perspective the reason for continual reincarnation might be that those vastly different experiences acquired in each separate incarnation might be beneficial for whatever is the next step.

There might be a special event that is set in at a predetermined point in 3d time.The lessons/experiences that are needed for each individual might determine how many incarnations are required before that event takes place and so some beings come in early and some later on depending on where they are at etc.

We might all have a higher self but this higher self might give birth to lesser selves that need to learn and gain experience and so here we are.This is just guessing but there must be valid reasons for all of this IMHO.

Why we are allowed to be hijacked in the first place might be a large part of these learning experiences.If everything was easy and comfortable then learning some lessons might be very difficult.

Not knowing who we are probably is a big part of the whole thing.We might be continuously finding out who we are all of the way back to wherever we came from.Should be a fun ride.

cheers

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Teakai,
I wanted to thank you for sharing the Neil Slade site. It's got some rather interesting things on it. A couple of days ago, I had the loudest pop go off in my head and wondered what that was all about. Now I know that it was my amygdala clicking forward. I'm going to play around with this stuff for awhile.
It's amazing what I'm learning from this forum!
Maia

[DNA]

I'm glad to see my post two days ago had such an impact on you Ktlight. On your thread you opened Your Mind is Controlled (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20941-Your-Mind-is-Controlled)
I posted this,

Gnostic Parallels in the writings of Carlos Castaneda (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/esp_donjuan13.htm)


“Human beings are on a journey of awareness, which has momentarily been interrupted by extraneous forces.” Carlos Castaneda


To the horrified astonishment of his apprentice, the elder sorcerer explains how the human mind has been infiltrated by an alien intelligence:

We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don’t do so...

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.
According to Don Juan, the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the predator, the flyer,

“because it leaps through the air... It is a big shadow, impenetrably black, a black shadow that jumps through the air.” Carlos Castaneda

.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
I'm glad it caused you to make the reptillian connection, and I appreciate the thanks you left for me,,,but,,,,if it spurred this thinking,,,why not post it in the original thread and have a dialogue about it. Unless your more concerned with starting theads than engaging in usefull dialogue.

[9eagle9]

It would be a truly horrifying situation but there is a solution. A shaman doesn't present a problem without providing a solution. Its nearly always the solution that is overlooked in favor of the problem.

"Falling is easy , its getting back up that becomes a problem. If you believe that you can never find your way out you've become the problem."

~ Staind.

It reduces itself back down to that part of us they can manipulate us through. The mind, particularly the ego.

Reptilian dominance and multi dimensional influence is just another part of the Matrix game. Its just played out on level that is unseen to most except for the shamanic community. But you can find physical expressions of that game, that battle, here on earth every day.

This game has been played out for such a very long time. And these sorcerers and shamans have engaged in this resistance to stop it but its not just reptilian influence they have to fight, its the people they are working for. They ignore the solution so become the problem.

For every web that a shaman can reveal the crowds lift another guru, belief, or fear onto their shoulders and parade it around further feeding the influence the shaman is attempting to prevent.

[charlesfrith]

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

[ponda]

9eagle9 said:

This game has been played out for such a very long time. And these sorcerers and shamans have engaged in this resistance to stop it but its not just reptilian influence they have to fight, its the people they are working for. They ignore the solution so become the problem.

For every web that a shaman can reveal the crowds lift another guru, belief, or fear onto their shoulders and parade it around further feeding the influence the shaman is attempting to prevent.


Awareness of the influence immediately diminishes its effectiveness.

[ponda]

charlesrith said:

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

It's a very a hard thing to prove to others charles.That's a part of the reality dimensional game that we are involved in imho.There is ancient proof of reptilian influences but if it will ever be credible is to the mainstream is questionable.

[9eagle9]

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

@Ponda. If that awareness of that influence is accompanied by fear of the unknown it doesn't diminish its effectiveness it can enhance it. With awareness should be known how powerful we are to put down that influence even on an individual level. I have to agree the people who are most aware and versed in this sort of thing are the one's least affected by it directly.

Charles if you were on this side of the monitor I would show you so you could draw your own conclusions.

People who have been aware of this for thousands of years, returning back to it life time after life time are tired. The way someone who spoke for a thousand years to deaf ears would be tired.

In this incarnation those people have learned that ...they are diminishing themselves by continuing to engage this way on the behalf of others. They are destroying within themselves that one element that may be a saving grace.

And that people of their own free will will continue to feed into this and those choices no matter how awful have to be respected. Otherwise one becomes what they are attempting to defeat. Those people who know how to abate this situation cannot become imposers themselves, its a minefield installed in the clever traps of the game.

So if people are not more forthcoming, you will understand. They have their own moral quandaries to wrangle with in regards to free will vs imposed influences.

The moment those people begin to speak of this influence and how to abate it is as Carlos has stated, not so much mocked or ridiculed but just launched on by those who don't want to hear about it...if not outright ignored. I will redirect ourselves to a similar circumstance that occurred here in PA last week evolving around Lord Sid.

Not so very different. a person who is attempting to get to the 'unseen" root of the matter, the unseen influence, and is set up on by a bunch of hysterical people who are self identified with something other than themselves.

If you ask you will be shown. People cannot be told, they have to be shown.

[ponda]

9eagle9 said:

@Ponda. If that awareness of that influence is accompanied by fear of the unknown it doesn't diminish its effectiveness it can enhance it. With awareness should be known how powerful we are to put down that influence even on an individual level. I have to agree the people who are most aware and versed in this sort of thing are the one's least affected by it directly.


Once you realize that something that previously was unknown to you is effecting you then there is a change that takes place(you know about it).This is why there is always some new distraction coming down the line for the masses.

The illusion is always moving into something new...anything that really matters or might make a difference to the masses is quickly passed onto the next distraction.

People don't have time to really think about important stuff because there is always some 'other' stuff' coming through the pipeline.

For many peeps, who wins the ball game is the main deal and putting food on the table is the main deal.There isn't much time for thinking about the bigger things in life for many folks BUT the times they are a changing.

My guess is that the universe is going to give everyone the chance to grow

[ktlight]

I'm glad to see my post two days ago had such an impact on you Ktlight. On your thread you opened Your Mind is Controlled (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?20941-Your-Mind-is-Controlled)
I posted this,

Gnostic Parallels in the writings of Carlos Castaneda (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/esp_donjuan13.htm)


“Human beings are on a journey of awareness, which has momentarily been interrupted by extraneous forces.” Carlos Castaneda


To the horrified astonishment of his apprentice, the elder sorcerer explains how the human mind has been infiltrated by an alien intelligence:

We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don’t do so...

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.
According to Don Juan, the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the predator, the flyer,

“because it leaps through the air... It is a big shadow, impenetrably black, a black shadow that jumps through the air.” Carlos Castaneda


.
.
.
I'm glad it caused you to make the reptillian connection, and I appreciate the thanks you left for me,,,but,,,,if it spurred this thinking,,,why not post it in the original thread and have a dialogue about it. Unless your more concerned with starting theads than engaging in usefull dialogue.



Before I post, I check in 'advanced search' to see if I would be duplicating. I see how easy it is to presume my activities, I suppose. I get into actual dialogue only when I feel it is appropriate to. Hope you understand now.

[ktlight]

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

We have the reptilian aspect in our brain. It's a part of the brain and resides at the back, joins up to the amygdala, which is where experience first enters and affects decisions as to what we will do about it, our immediate reactions.

[muxfolder]

I read these books years and years ago, with a faint glimmer of understanding. Now it is understandable. Thanks for this thread.

Same here. I think I need to read them again.. It was so long ago.

[Teakai]

The bad guys aren't the only game in town.Help or evolution might be on its way.The sun has been emitting some new 'stuff' of late.The great game is starting to get interesting.

I agree, Ponda. What we perceive as the negative is only one small version of things. It feels to me like we're tottering on the edge of something amazing.

[Teakai]

Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.

I think this world is able to sustain quite a lot of humans - the thing is, though, is that people wish to keep the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. We have a throw away society that is out of tune with nature.
It would be an immense change both physically and psycologically to change that - and governments and mainstream are what are standing in the way of doing it.

It's my take that the old system must fall and from that a new one will arise. Only we have to be awake and aware enough to make sure it's the correct system and not more of the controlling system.

And, I don't think the system that is going to arise is going to be anything close to how we picture society as being.

[Teakai]

It reduces itself back down to that part of us they can manipulate us through. The mind, particularly the ego.

Reptilian dominance and multi dimensional influence is just another part of the Matrix game. Its just played out on level that is unseen to most except for the shamanic community. But you can find physical expressions of that game, that battle, here on earth every day.

This game has been played out for such a very long time. And these sorcerers and shamans have engaged in this resistance to stop it but its not just reptilian influence they have to fight, its the people they are working for. They ignore the solution so become the problem.

For every web that a shaman can reveal the crowds lift another guru, belief, or fear onto their shoulders and parade it around further feeding the influence the shaman is attempting to prevent.

And that's the truth of it for sure.

[Teakai]

I dont understand the incarnating thing, however it does fit the facts particularly with the testimonies of many people who recall past lives. I dont understand that if I am smart enough in my so called non corporeal consciousness form why do i need to learn? Ickes theory of "a human experience" seems logical but I would have to be hard up for experience to live here on earth. But it could be like a game of halo where you die and respawn over and over and over.....

I would like more investigation into whether we are hijacked and if so, then more about the hijackers.

How ridiculous is it that we dont really know who we are.

Hi Fox - I guess you could loosely equate soul evolution being as of a human child going through the school system - only on a much grander scale.
And soul has the disadvantage of consciously forgetting each prior grade until it disconnects from ego (lower mind) and reconnects with it's higher self.

[Teakai]

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

Hi Charles - have you listened to Arizona Wilder's interview with David Icke? It's in parts on you tube if you're interested.

[Teakai]

Thanks very much for this. I want very much to put together a presentation on the credibility of multidimensional reptilians so if anyone has more of this sort of content I'd be very interested.

We have the reptilian aspect in our brain. It's a part of the brain and resides at the back, joins up to the amygdala, which is where experience first enters and affects decisions as to what we will do about it, our immediate reactions.

Exactly - and if we are aware of it and aware that we can control it - we then have the conscious choice to decide for ourselves to remain in higher mind.

[Carmen]

Yeah, me to, Muxfolder. Probably be an entirely new book now!!

[johnf]

"The active side of infinity" has long been the most intriguing description of the human/spiritual condition I have ever heard.
There is a description in there of the difference between our natural energy which is circular, and the energy of the flyers, which darts back and forth like a pendulum.
I was once reading the book Centering, by Laurie and Tucker. I went to a coffee place to practice what they call detachment exercises. It consisted of making a visual inventory of the room I was in and the other people in the room and to periodically notice that I was also there.
I had an experience where I focussed on a problem that was bothering me at that time (addiction related) and my mind slowed, then I experienced the sensation of a voice that I had heard before, saying you are experiencing these maddening cravings because you have been invaded.
My cravings for alchohol and tobacco subsided for quite some time after that, and I think that this was the highest level of awareness, whilst retaining perceptions of my physical surroundings that I have ever experienced. I have repeated the exercise many times since and have not had any notable experiences since that one time, but I
would very much like to reproduce that state. The idea of the flyers didn't come my way till years later (the book wasn't published till six years later).
I believe that my experience of any useless and driven thoughts are from some sort of invader, and I have resisted the idea of actual physical reptilian invaders ever since I read the passage quoted in the beginning post of this thread. And whether they really exist outside of us or not isn't important something in our percieved minds moves constantly to hold us to our lowest thought processes and there are things we can do to regain control back from them.

[9eagle9]

In regards to Carlos...

The luminous coating he describes in infants is reactivated, repaired, and brought forward by a plant the Mexicans shaman's use called salvia divinorium. Shaman's Sage, or Shaman's weed. Upon smoking it, the coat becomes apparent...to anyone . This plant purifies and helps to bolster that coating. I, personally , use it for the abatement of chronic depression in people because that is how the reduction of luminious coating is expressed= in depression of some sorts, the kind that no chemical treatment will abate.

However with that statement, one enters into a moral argument with the uneducated about the use of 'drug's to assist in the reconstruction of one's luminous coating (or body). That is opinion and has nothing to do with the plant. That too is conditioning, this moral judgement about using spirit plant helpers.... so ... these are the many battles that the folks like Carlos have encountered. No from reptilian influence directly but by those influenced by their form of conditioning.

But those who educate themselves, the plant isnt a drug, one needn't get high from it to benefit from it, but 'they' conditioned us with the falllacy that 'drug's' are bad when this plant is actually, among others, their worst enemy.

[Teakai]

In regards to Carlos...

The luminous coating he describes in infants is reactivated, repaired, and brought forward by a plant the Mexicans shaman's use called salvia divinorium. Shaman's Sage, or Shaman's weed. Upon smoking it, the coat becomes apparent...to anyone . This plant purifies and helps to bolster that coating. I, personally , use it for the abatement of chronic depression in people because that is how the reduction of luminious coating is expressed= in depression of some sorts, the kind that no chemical treatment will abate.

However with that statement, one enters into a moral argument with the uneducated about the use of 'drug's to assist in the reconstruction of one's luminous coating (or body). That is opinion and has nothing to do with the plant. That too is conditioning, this moral judgement about using spirit plant helpers.... so ... these are the many battles that the folks like Carlos have encountered. No from reptilian influence directly but by those influenced by their form of conditioning.

But those who educate themselves, the plant isnt a drug, one needn't get high from it to benefit from it, but 'they' conditioned us with the falllacy that 'drug's' are bad when this plant is actually, among others, their worst enemy.

Which is of course illegal here in Australia.

You can bet your bottom dollar if a natural substance is illegal - it's good for you somehow or other. Or your taking it will do the system out of dollars.

[ulli]

All these stories are based on myth.
Ideas are the building blocks of 3 D reality...
Then each person choses the myth that suits them best, whether consciously or unconsciously.

If they chose to go down into the deception game where densities get more and more oppressive,
but still keep going, lured by lies, they'll wake up one day
and find the game has been controlled by deceptive monsters.
But still, those monsters or people or dragons or oppressors are nothing but myth....
simply projections of the collective unconscious. Soulless beings, not real.
Only soul beings are real.


The Castaneda path is already determined by it's name...the path of the warrior.
It's great for people whose personalities need to be challenged to a struggle, with great force.
These people usually have the power to break their molds.
Tests are relative to someone's capacity as the universe is set up in perfect balance.

Like, when I was young, this stuff was perfect to get me started...just the right medicine.
Later on in my life I dumped the evil monster scenario, and began seeing my challenging restrictions not as entities,
but something more abstract....like time processes needed to make wine...for my inner essence to emerge.
And it was here that the myth ended. Something real began to appear, yet had always been there...

At that point real people started to manifest on the screen of my life, people who had a lot of light and wisdom,
and who became wayshowers.
The time of synchronicities had arrived.
After that those teachers vanished, too. Dark night of the soul, like a baby that was put down by mother
and only wanted to get back into her arms, insecurity reigned. Yet mother was closeby and was waiting for the first steps...

Then one day all was up to me...no more bosses, no more competitors, no more enemies...
also no more parents, relatives. Only dependents.
The time of my mission had arrived. Service.
The only force that I still fear sometimes is nature itself.
But regular earth tremors here are helping me confront that too.
I'm sharing this to give an idea how everything is a process and the spiritual journey becomes easier with time,
as certain responsibilities are accepted.
And there is always help, exactly when needed, unexpected help...
and far more powerful than a whole army of demon lords.

[DNA]

Hi Teakai

Yes exactly.

This is why the bloodlines are so important in regards to the control of the planet through the easily manipulated ruling elite etc.

Also i would imagine that the collection of our energies and the lessening of our higher abilities would be a large part of the dna manipulations.

Ta for the vid :)

Mmmm, I wonder what we could do if we only knew we could :)

There's this guy called Neil Slade who talks about clicking your amygdala forward. This is something you can do consciously - and every time you do it you are connecting to your higher brain and everytime you do that you are rewiring connections.
I think in this society we spend a lot of our time in lower (reptilian/survival/fear)brain mode - which is where and how we can be controlled by their methods - and as such higher mind is atrophying.
Perhaps if we all started madly clicking our amygdala's forward we would raise ourselves out of 'their' reach?

That reminds me - Christ consciousness is apparently located in the higher mind. I think this is what the message of the bible might be all about - only it's been personified and coded and all messed up and a lot of people are missing the real message - staying in lower mind and hoping for someone outside themsleves to save them from themselves.

Neil Slade amygdala chart: http://www.neilslade.com/chart.html

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Hi I find such ideas the most horrifying, but the only ones that seem to fit most of the facts. This is similar to the ideas put forward by David Icke. The fall of man was possibly more of a "hijacking" by another entity. The ridiculous conflicting beliefs of man which is associtated with "cognitive disonance" is so prevalent in our society that it begs belief. Man can be manipulated by fear/hope to believe anything.

Why people believe that procreating and new birth is such a beautiful and precious thing astonishes me. At one level you are only bringiing a new soul into a bad situation and at another level you are only creating energy food for "them". Parents really only have their own self interest at heart when it comes to procreation, that is...the icon and illusion of "family". This builds the "us and them" within our society which is a level of "divide and conquer"

The best thing anyone could do to bring some respect back to humanity is to reduce the population, and maybe someone with some actual wisdom built the georgia guide stones.

I think ideas put forward by Carlos Castenese and David Icke really need more investigating. Yes we have been hijacked.

Hi Fox. I tend to agree with you on a human perspective in regard to people possibly being seen as selfish by bringing life into this world - especially when you realise how things really are re: the way of the world and whose running it, but from a soul perspective we know what we're getting into coming here. I think this is why earth has such a high learning potential.

I disagree with the culling part, though. These people have not evolved into their human positions, they have been manipulated into them - by those who would design their version of Utopia.

Hi TeaKai

Very fascinating the clicking forward part. Have you ever done anything like this? I need to read what this person you have referenced has said in the matter.
It seems to me,,,that if it is possible to click forward,,,it may be possible to click down. Could this possibly be utilized by the PTB as some kind of psychic weopon?
Just a thought.

[TWINCANS]

[QUOTE=fox.mulder;225347]
Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.


Have to disagree that we have any right to interfere with population. IMHO our minds are too small to contemplate playing gods in this way.

In fact it would be a good thing if the people of earth remind those agencies who have population reduction as their objective that this is murder, and that those persons taking part in 'population reduction efforts' such a chemtrails and haarp will be brought to trial, whether they are 'just following orders' or masterminding.

[Teakai]

Hi TeaKai

Very fascinating the clicking forward part. Have you ever done anything like this? I need to read what this person you have referenced has said in the matter.
It seems to me,,,that if it is possible to click forward,,,it may be possible to click down. Could this possibly be utilized by the PTB as some kind of psychic weopon?
Just a thought.

Hi DNA -I think they most definitely use it as our society is pretty much devised to keep us connected to that fear part of our brain. To give an example - if you are happy, or if you are doing something you enjoy, then your amygdala is in the forward postion and connected to the higher brain, but if you smell a foul smell or step barefoot in some doggy doo - your amygdala will click backwards as a reflex. If you're feeling fear or anger or any emotion that is not a postiive emotion - then your amygdala is in the lower brain connection.

So, even though we may seem to have an advanced society - we really are so afraid of losing it all or not being able to survive effectively within it. We need to make the money to merely exist in our society. Fear fear fear. Of not fitting in, of not having enough, of losing what we do have, of not living up to the Joneses, of being found wanting, of so many things. Our society for the most part functions on the level of maximum ego/lower brain identification. By design.

Just to say - I've been consciously clicking my amygdala forward ever since I read about it.

[ponda]

TWINCANS said:

Have to disagree that we have any right to interfere with population. IMHO our minds are too small to contemplate playing gods in this way.

In fact it would be a good thing if the people of earth remind those agencies who have population reduction as their objective that this is murder, and that those persons taking part in 'population reduction efforts' such a chemtrails and haarp will be brought to trial, whether they are 'just following orders' or masterminding.

I'm not talking about population reduction.

It's more about awareness of sustainability.Prevention is better than cure etc

The way things are now there is going to come a time when severe problems will occur because there are too many people on the planet.Some of the problems are already occurring.Clean water is running out,food shortages,pollution,deforestation,energy shortages,resource depletion etc

Common sense would tell us that we can't continue this way but no it's not like that.It's full steam ahead here as the rest of the world tries to live the western lifestyle.

[TWINCANS]

Sounds like Al Gore talking. I don't buy that. The planet can work with a surprising number of incarnating intelligences. It's the plunderers she has no space for.

[ponda]

Sounds like Al Gore talking. I don't buy that. The planet can work with a surprising number of incarnating intelligences. It's the plunderers she has no space for.

Anyone who lives the western lifestyle is a plunderer imho.There's no way we can keep on doing the same things that we are doing now.No way.

[TWINCANS]

No offense, but I am definitely happy to report that I am not a plunderer. I'm sure you will find others who are not either.

The term Western lifestyle is a gross generalization. I look around and see many lives all with their own style. I also see suppression of creativity by greedy pigs and morons. Furthermore I see rampant greed by a very few hogs. So tackling the morons, the greedy and the suppressors comes first. Then watch as earth friendly options are adopted (without the moral blackmail of the should-police) and see how modest our lives really are and how in tune with the planet we actually are, just under our very abused surface.

[Teakai]

No offense, but I am definitely happy to report that I am not a plunderer. I'm sure you will find others who are not either.

The term Western lifestyle is a gross generalization. I look around and see many lives all with their own style. I also see suppression of creativity by greedy pigs and morons. Furthermore I see rampant greed by a very few hogs. So tackling the morons, the greedy and the suppressors comes first. Then watch as earth friendly options are adopted (without the moral blackmail of the should-police) and see how modest our lives really are and how in tune with the planet we actually are, just under our very abused surface.

Hi Twincans - I get what you're saying, but for the most part even those people in Western culture trying their very best to live naturally and with low environmental impact are still for the most part forced to adopt the environmentally unfriendly ways that are on offer by the money hungry corporations.
Except maybe the Amish - but I don't think they would be considered to live the idea of the Western lifestyle.

[ponda]

No offense, but I am definitely happy to report that I am not a plunderer. I'm sure you will find others who are not either.

The term Western lifestyle is a gross generalization. I look around and see many lives all with their own style. I also see suppression of creativity by greedy pigs and morons. Furthermore I see rampant greed by a very few hogs. So tackling the morons, the greedy and the suppressors comes first. Then watch as earth friendly options are adopted (without the moral blackmail of the should-police) and see how modest our lives really are and how in tune with the planet we actually are, just under our very abused surface.

One thing is for sure.Nature will take its course.

[TWINCANS]

Teakai, That's it; forced to adopt. We do not choose planned obsolescence, gasguzzling cars (tho we do need to be able to freely and individually move about our planet) nor GM'd earth-destroying agribusiness frankenfood etc etc. That's western lifestyle.

Imho it is not useful to accept the guilt trip being foisted on us by the plunderers.

[Teakai]

Teakai, That's it; forced to adopt. We do not choose planned obsolescence, gasguzzling cars (tho we do need to be able to freely and individually move about our planet) nor GM'd earth-destroying agribusiness frankenfood etc etc. That's western lifestyle.

Imho it is not useful to accept the guilt trip being foisted on us by the plunderers.

I agree - and I think that's what Ponda means by saying Western lifestyle.

In regard to guilt trips - I don't think we should ever do guilt trips. They're a waste of time. If we feel bad about an action or non action, then we ought to change it.
But if we choose it - then we have to be responsible for making the choice.

[ViralSpiral]

All these stories are based on myth.
Ideas are the building blocks of 3 D reality...
Then each person choses the myth that suits them best, whether consciously or unconsciously.

If they chose to go down into the deception game where densities get more and more oppressive,
but still keep going, lured by lies, they'll wake up one day
and find the game has been controlled by deceptive monsters.
But still, those monsters or people or dragons or oppressors are nothing but myth....
simply projections of the collective unconscious. Soulless beings, not real.
Only soul beings are real.


The Castaneda path is already determined by it's name...the path of the warrior.
It's great for people whose personalities need to be challenged to a struggle, with great force.
These people usually have the power to break their molds.
Tests are relative to someone's capacity as the universe is set up in perfect balance.

Like, when I was young, this stuff was perfect to get me started...just the right medicine.
Later on in my life I dumped the evil monster scenario, and began seeing my challenging restrictions not as entities,
but something more abstract....like time processes needed to make wine...for my inner essence to emerge.
And it was here that the myth ended. Something real began to appear, yet had always been there...

At that point real people started to manifest on the screen of my life, people who had a lot of light and wisdom,
and who became wayshowers.
The time of synchronicities had arrived.
After that those teachers vanished, too. Dark night of the soul, like a baby that was put down by mother
and only wanted to get back into her arms, insecurity reigned. Yet mother was closeby and was waiting for the first steps...

Then one day all was up to me...no more bosses, no more competitors, no more enemies...
also no more parents, relatives. Only dependents.
The time of my mission had arrived. Service.
The only force that I still fear sometimes is nature itself.
But regular earth tremors here are helping me confront that too.
I'm sharing this to give an idea how everything is a process and the spiritual journey becomes easier with time,
as certain responsibilities are accepted.
And there is always help, exactly when needed, unexpected help...
and far more powerful than a whole army of demon lords.



This resonated deeply. Thank you for the use of your mirror! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/hug/tackle.gif





Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Castaneda

[ulli]

Hi fox.mulder

Yeah i agree.You rarely if ever hear any mainstream discussion about what is a sustainable population for the planet and how this could be implemented.The governments live in the perpetual illusionary world of never ending growth and high consumption levels that are impossible to sustain in the short/medium/longer terms.

Governments are made up either of people who shoot their way into office, or if a so-called democratic system is installed, deceive the electorate during campaign.
Unless a system is developed by which all campaigning is prohibited and people can choose their leaders from a slate of available elders, responsible, spiritual thinkers who have shown their ability to serve.

And even then it will only work if the electorate have enough spare time on their hands to devote towards acquainting themselves with their communities so that when election time comes around they are prepared as to for whom to vote, which group of people out of their own midst, and vote without pressure, in secret ballot election processes.
And preferably not even have opposing political parties where energy is wasted in reducing the opponents' effectiveness.


Such a society will be guided by individuals who will share with the public a higher vision, including the good advice that
one should not have more children than one can afford to educate.

For only with the right education, one of spiritual values, does any society have a future.

[Cjay]

Hi Ponda, this makes me think of Jonathan Klecks summary of the ancient Sumerian tablet that he decoded where it looks as though DNA is being transcribed into the pharoah. Perhaps this is how they gave us their mind?
Here's the video if you haven't already seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQrGCOZTvVI

I tried reeeeeeeeally hard to keep an open mind as I watched all three videos... that was exhausting. My conclusion is that Jonathan Klecks has consumed far too many hallucinogens. I wonder if he sees Jesus in burnt toast.

[Teakai]

I tried reeeeeeeeally hard to keep an open mind as I watched all three videos... that was exhausting. My conclusion is that Jonathan Klecks has consumed far too many hallucinogens. I wonder if he sees Jesus in burnt toast.

Hi Cjay - what did you think of the diagrams hidden within the Sumerian tablet?

And I only put up the one video. What made you watch 3 if it was so exhausting? :)

[RedeZra]

It used to be pretty easy to see which were the children of angels or aliens at the time of Moses as these were at least 25 feet tall ; )


if this angelic-alien gene pool survived up til today

then the giant gene has become recessive and it's no longer possible to spot them by their gigantic heights

there is another trait though which is six fingers and six toes

it seems that gene might have become recessive as well

unless amputated at birth


if there is anything in this bloodline thing

then the PTB believe themselves to be

great great great etc etc grandchildren of the Nephilim

which is not too far fetched

as they were also freaks of nature ; )

[charlesfrith]

He's little evangelical but it's a fascinating interpretation on reptilians/serpents from Egyptian stone carvings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Dw_bS_LhA&feature=youtu.be (http://youtu.be/W-Dw_bS_LhA)

Part one is totally interesting on DNA transcription coming out of Akhenaten and Nefertiti's necks.

[MariaDine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4d1fsim4wc&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M84UWSsa5jQ&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwik2GeG0bQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T29rwCJ6XPg&NR=1

Care to comment ?

Thank you
Namasté

http://innersites.com/feet2fire/news/peggy-kane.htm

[charlesfrith]

May I add this post today on the related subject matter: http://wemustknow.net/2011/05/the-grail/

[Lord Sidious]

Hey Teakai,
I wanted to thank you for sharing the Neil Slade site. It's got some rather interesting things on it. A couple of days ago, I had the loudest pop go off in my head and wondered what that was all about. Now I know that it was my amygdala clicking forward. I'm going to play around with this stuff for awhile.
It's amazing what I'm learning from this forum!
Maia

Me, myself and I will second, third and fourth that.
I too have learnt much since I came here.
This forum and the members mean a lot to me.
Some of them are embedded deep in my heart.

[king anthony]

"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -

I say, the above said person should be silent and remain as such - for these are the types of words that benefit not. I shall remain silent now, for my words too are of no benefit - for different reasons.

*Post Edit*

Not directed to the Original Poster , rather the person being quoted.

[DNA]

"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -

I say, the above said person should be silent and remain as such - for these are the types of words that benefit not. I shall remain silent now, for my words too are of no benefit - for different reasons.

*Post Edit*

Not directed to the Original Poster , rather the person being quoted.

Well,,,I think you and I are in agreement,,,but,,,,I think your words are in fact directed at the poster and not who was quoted.
.
For one,,,Carlos Castaneda has never once said anything about reptilian anything.
Not once.
That is the poster's interpretation, Ktlight.
.
Carlos Castaneda is talking about a race of beings he calls the MUD SHADOWS.
A non-organic race of entities who feed on the physical 3d human race parasitically.
You can see these entities out of the corners of your eye every once in a while,,,,,,the shadow people,,,are what most folks refer to them as.....
.
Don't be too mad at Ktlight,,,he/she just likes to post a lot regardless of the fact that he/she has no real input on the matter.
The only real input Ktlight had was in the title and in the erroneous sentence

"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -
and for that Ktlight was thanked 42+ times so far.
Kind of cheapens the whole appreciation option.

[king anthony]

I think your words are in fact directed at the poster and not who was quoted.

That is the poster's interpretation, Ktlight.

Don't be too mad at Ktlight,,,he/she just likes to post a lot regardless of the fact that he/she has no real input on the matter.

Thank you for quoting me; I say, my words in edit are clear that my intention was not directed towards the Original Poster (Ktlight). My apologies to Ktlight if this is how my words were interpreted.

I understood the quote box to be from Carlos Castaneda and not an interpretation; I have had some brief discussion with Ktlight and find this person to be good in mind and "heart".

If I may give explanation (in brief) to my previous post. Again, not directed to Ktlight or DNA.

I say, all too often people share untruths either by chance or design - meaning in part, they may have read or heard the words of another who has misinformed them either by chance or design.

The "reptilians" are a species in existence; and like any other species, they are simply trying to survive. I wish to be clear; I am not partial to them in any way. The masses should not continue to perpetuate fables of "evil" or that this species has targeted the human species in traditional "religious" thought.

In fact, the "reptilians" have distrust towards human beings - one should ask why. This species have their own distrusts within and with "others". As well, they create their own individual alliances.

To keep making them out to be all "evil" and something more then what they are is of no benefit.

This species is "flesh and blood" and they are from this "timeline", this "existence" and from this "dimension" - because, this is what is. "Religious" tainted perspectives will not aid in the time to come - and I do say, the time is coming.

However, they do worship - another piece of the puzzle to be found... within ancient knowledge.

[ktlight]

For one,,,Carlos Castaneda has never once said anything about reptilian anything.
Not once.

That is the poster's interpretation, Ktlight.

Don't be too mad at Ktlight,,,he/she just likes to post a lot regardless of the fact that he/she has no real input on the matter.
The only real input Ktlight had was in the title and in the erroneous sentence


"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -
and for that Ktlight was thanked 42+ times so far.
Kind of cheapens the whole appreciation option.

Sorry, DNA, that you feel like that. In fact, I copied the post from princessofwands on DI site, under the heading where it was posted. I thought it would be interesting to us at PA. So, none of the words are mine.
I have read all of the Casteneda books but cannot claim to recall all the detail.
The option to post is open to us all. I always prefer to post something that may well help, and I always post in quotes, hence each post starts with 'FYI:'.
Hope this clears things up.

King Anthony, this might be my fault leading to your misunderstanding. princessofwands' post was the third one in under that heading and maybe was not intended at all, although I cannot speak for her and I do realise she chose to put it there.

[DNA]

Sorry, DNA, that you feel like that. In fact, I copied the post from princessofwands on DI site, under the heading where it was posted. I thought it would be interesting to us at PA. So, none of the words are mine.
I have read all of the Casteneda books but cannot claim to recall all the detail.
The option to post is open to us all. I always prefer to post something that may well help, and I always post in quotes, hence each post starts with 'FYI:'.
Hope this clears things up.

King Anthony, this might be my fault leading to your misunderstanding. princessofwands' post was the third one in under that heading and maybe was not intended at all, although I cannot speak for her and I do realise she chose to put it there.

I have read all the Castaneda books in triplicate, there is no mention of reptilians.

[ktlight]

I have read all the Castaneda books in triplicate, there is no mention of reptilians.

I accept what you say

Also, to KingAnthony

I will ask Paul to remove that word from the title, hoping it is possible.

Apologies for any offence caused unintentionally.

[ViralSpiral]

“Look at every path closely and deliberately, then ask ourselves this crucial question: Does this path have a heart? If it does, then the path is good. If it doesn't, it is of no use.”

Carlos Castaneda

[ThePythonicCow]

I have read all the Castaneda books in triplicate, there is no mention of reptilians.

I accept what you say

Also, to KingAnthony

I will ask Paul to remove that word from the title, hoping it is possible.

Apologies for any offence caused unintentionally.

I just removed the word 'reptilians' from the thread title, as requested by ktlight.

[Lord Sidious]

"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -

I say, the above said person should be silent and remain as such - for these are the types of words that benefit not. I shall remain silent now, for my words too are of no benefit - for different reasons.

*Post Edit*

Not directed to the Original Poster , rather the person being quoted.

Well,,,I think you and I are in agreement,,,but,,,,I think your words are in fact directed at the poster and not who was quoted.
.
For one,,,Carlos Castaneda has never once said anything about reptilian anything.
Not once.
That is the poster's interpretation, Ktlight.
.
Carlos Castaneda is talking about a race of beings he calls the MUD SHADOWS.
A non-organic race of entities who feed on the physical 3d human race parasitically.
You can see these entities out of the corners of your eye every once in a while,,,,,,the shadow people,,,are what most folks refer to them as.....
.
Don't be too mad at Ktlight,,,he/she just likes to post a lot regardless of the fact that he/she has no real input on the matter.
The only real input Ktlight had was in the title and in the erroneous sentence

"Multidimensional reptilian demon lords" - Here's what Carlos Castaneda said about these energy-sucking entities -
and for that Ktlight was thanked 42+ times so far.
Kind of cheapens the whole appreciation option.

How do you see your ''opinion'' of Ktlight as helpful?
I would say it was very insulting and for a new member, I wonder what you were thinking?

[DNA]

How do you see your ''opinion'' of Ktlight as helpful?
I would say it was very insulting and for a new member, I wonder what you were thinking?

It helped her to come to the conclusian that the name of this thread needed to be changed.
And in retrospect, I regret the tone of my critique.
I apologise Ktlight for any percieved abrasiveness. I come to conclusians about things too quickly and did so in this instance.
This being the offspring of whistle blowers and interviewers of first hand experience, I just figuired more folks would be focused on sharing their personal experiences, and citing information in relation to that.
Once again, I apoligise for any assumptions and will attempt to refrain from them in the future.

[Lord Sidious]

How do you see your ''opinion'' of Ktlight as helpful?
I would say it was very insulting and for a new member, I wonder what you were thinking?

It helped her to come to the conclusian that the name of this thread needed to be changed.
And in retrospect, I regret the tone of my critique.
I apologise Ktlight for any percieved abrasiveness. I come to conclusians about things too quickly and did so in this instance.
This being the offspring of whistle blowers and interviewers of first hand experience, I just figuired more folks would be focused on sharing their personal experiences, and citing information in relation to that.
Once again, I apoligise for any assumptions and will attempt to refrain from them in the future.

No worries nugget, we can let you off this time.
I will have to get a message out to Vader, he is already on the way to your house now. :p

[king anthony]

.


.

Okay - Ktlight, DNA and all others - I say, food and "beverage" time - matters not if it is morning where one is - here in PA, all know time is an illusion thus eat drink and... "pass the napkin please"... enjoy as we go back on topic.

Cheers!!!

[yaksuit]

Teakai, That's it; forced to adopt. We do not choose planned obsolescence, gasguzzling cars (tho we do need to be able to freely and individually move about our planet) nor GM'd earth-destroying agribusiness frankenfood etc etc. That's western lifestyle.

Imho it is not useful to accept the guilt trip being foisted on us by the plunderers.

I agree - and I think that's what Ponda means by saying Western lifestyle.

In regard to guilt trips - I don't think we should ever do guilt trips. They're a waste of time. If we feel bad about an action or non action, then we ought to change it.
But if we choose it - then we have to be responsible for making the choice.

Agreed Teakai.

Choosing not to "decide" is also a choice. ;)

Cheers,
yak

[ktlight]

Please note, everybody, that the word 'reptilian' remains inside the thread. Would be good if you ignore it.
Paul did his best. I asked him to remove the word from the title and presumed it would also be removed inside the thread.

[Donna O]

Please note, everybody, that the word 'reptilian' remains inside the thread. Would be good if you ignore it.
Paul did his best. I asked him to remove the word from the title and presumed it would also be removed inside the thread.
I've done this for you now :)

[ktlight]

Please note, everybody, that the word 'reptilian' remains inside the thread. Would be good if you ignore it.
Paul did his best. I asked him to remove the word from the title and presumed it would also be removed inside the thread.
I've done this for you now :)

Thank you, Donna O. I'm very grateful.

[Teakai]

He's little evangelical but it's a fascinating interpretation on reptilians/serpents from Egyptian stone carvings.

Part one is totally interesting on DNA transcription coming out of Akhenaten and Nefertiti's necks.

Hi Charles, I got the idea the DNA was going into, rather than coming out of Ahkenaton and Nephertiti's neck. To me it seemed this was the 'Gods making man in their image' picture. They were affecting the DNA of royalty - perhaps this being the pure bloodline that all the royal families have been keen to keep pure.

Side note of interest: Due to media influence most people think Kate Middleton is just a 'commoner', where in fact she is related to the royal family - a must for continuation of the pure bloodline in the royal line.

[bearcow]

Please note, everybody, that the word 'reptilian' remains inside the thread. Would be good if you ignore it.
Paul did his best. I asked him to remove the word from the title and presumed it would also be removed inside the thread.
I've done this for you now :)

Thank you, Donna O. I'm very grateful.

i was hoping we could change the thread title to:

Buckaroo Bonzai and the multidimensional demon lords of the 8th dimension

only kidding


According to Don Juan, the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the predator, the flyer,

“because it leaps through the air... It is a big shadow, impenetrably black, a black shadow that jumps through the air.

maybe don juan was referring to this

http://learnsomethingnewtoday.us/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mothman.jpg

mothman

[RedeZra]

back in the Old Testament times there were just 2 kinds of people

the Israelites and the Rest !


God would guide only Israel while fallen angels would govern the rest as Princes or Principalities

the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece etc etc who had the power to obstruct even angels of God


after the Deluge there was an incident which culminated in Project Babel

so God scattered the nations and confounded their language


the people after being conquered united under Nimrod the Nephilim against God !


so God gave them what they wanted and deserved

70 rebel angels to guide 70 rebel nations ; )


til this day there are only 2 teams


those of God and those of the fallen

the seed of the Woman and the seed of the Serpent

[Teakai]

back in the Old Testament times there were just 2 kinds of people

the Israelites and the Rest !


God would guide only Israel while fallen angels would govern the rest as Princes or Principalities

the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece etc etc who had the power to obstruct even angels of God


after the Deluge there was an incident which culminated in Project Babel

so God scattered the nations and confounded their language


the people after being conquered united under Nimrod the Nephilim against God !


so God gave them what they wanted and deserved

70 rebel angels to guide 70 rebel nations ; )


til this day there are only 2 teams


those of God and those of the fallen

the seed of the Woman and the seed of the Serpent

Which god?

[RedeZra]

Which god?

there is no which god... there is only God ; )

then there is angels humans animals etc etc

[Lord Sidious]

Which god?

there is no which god... there is only God ; )

then there is angels humans animals etc etc

Your old testament seems to disagree, it names other gods.
I realise you mean yours is THE god, but let's not forget that which is written.

[RedeZra]

Which god?

there is no which god... there is only God ; )

then there is angels humans animals etc etc

Your old testament seems to disagree, it names other gods.
I realise you mean yours is THE god, but let's not forget that which is written.

the Old Testament names the idols which the nations venerate as gods

deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood or stone which the nations sacrificed their children to

[Lord Sidious]

there is no which god... there is only God ; )

then there is angels humans animals etc etc

Your old testament seems to disagree, it names other gods.
I realise you mean yours is THE god, but let's not forget that which is written.

the Old Testament names the idols which the nations venerate as gods

deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood or stone which the nations sacrificed their children to

Your god told you he was a jealous god and not to worship any other gods, is that not correct?

[RedeZra]

the Old Testament names the idols which the nations venerate as gods

deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood or stone which the nations sacrificed their children to

Your god told you he was a jealous god and not to worship any other gods, is that not correct?

it means not to worship idols ; )

[DoubleHelix]

But I am God....... and You are God..... and oh wait a minute we are all God.

[Lord Sidious]

the Old Testament names the idols which the nations venerate as gods

deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood or stone which the nations sacrificed their children to

Your god told you he was a jealous god and not to worship any other gods, is that not correct?

it means not to worship idols ; )

Right, so it says X but you want to see that as Y?
Got ya.

[RedeZra]

But I am God....... and You are God..... and oh wait a minute we are all God.

you have the potential to realize God ; )

¤=[Post Update]=¤




it means not to worship idols ; )

Right, so it says X but you want to see that as Y?
Got ya.

yes because x = y in the Bible ; )

[Lord Sidious]

yes because x = y in the Bible ; )

Or is it that you think it is that way?

[Seikou-Kishi]

אנכי יהוה אלהיך. לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני

"I am the lord your God. You shall have no other gods beside my face"

There you go, Redezra, it was other gods, after all.

[bearcow]

So nobody feels bad about going off topic i think we should re-name this thread as

The Carlos Castaneda pass the napkin please mothman because x = y in the Bible amygdala click backwards Akhenaten and Nefertiti's necks Al Gore's luminous coating Gnostic Sorcerer reptilian Amish frankenfood David Icke's MUD SHADOW Sumerian tablet deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood etc etc thread

[Lord Sidious]

So nobody feels bad about going off topic i think we should re-name this thread as

The Carlos Castaneda pass the napkin please mothman because x = y in the Bible amygdala click backwards Akhenaten and Nefertiti's necks Al Gore's luminous coating Gnostic Sorcerer reptilian Amish frankenfood David Icke's MUD SHADOW Sumerian tablet deaf dumb and mute idols made of wood etc etc thread

How about the Bearcow is a nugget thread? :p
Thanks for the laugh.

[sunnyrap]

I was backtracking through this thread reading parts I thought I'd missed, and was jolted by a quote that brought up a year-old memory:

(The quote I'm speaking of:
Gnostic Parallels in the writings of Carlos Castaneda


“Human beings are on a journey of awareness, which has momentarily been interrupted
by extraneous forces.” Carlos Castaneda

To the horrified astonishment of his apprentice, the elder sorcerer explains how the
human mind has been infiltrated by an alien intelligence: We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the
rule of our
lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has
rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act
independently, it demands that we don’t do so...

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our
ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations
and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the
predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

According to Don Juan, the sorcerers of ancient Mexico called the predator, the flyer, “because it leaps through the air... It is a big shadow, impenetrably black, a black shadow that jumps through the air.” Carlos Castaneda

*****
About a year ago, I was returning home from visiting friends rather late one night. We live about 7 miles apart off the same long, densely wooded country road. I was about half way to the family farm when, to the right of the car my attention was drawn to movement up ahead in the trees. Just as my car passed the trees, I saw a much larger than man-sized 'black shadow' (I described it to my friend on the cell phone a little later as being kind of like the movie, Predator, but more like an inky black shadow you couldn't see through) jumped down from the trees
next to the road just as I passed it. I stomped on the accelerator because I got that 'someone staring at the back of my neck' shiver fright-tingles.
The feeling stayed with me for a while then faded when I turned into our drive.


Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....

[RedeZra]

אנכי יהוה אלהיך. לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני

"I am the lord your God. You shall have no other gods beside my face"

There you go, Redezra, it was other gods, after all.


the other gods which are symbolized by idols and sigils are demons

Chemosh Moloch Saturn Baal etc etc are all demons or devils ; )


---

it's all connected bearcow ; )

[RedeZra]

Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....

the Gates of Hades are open wide

so there is alot of bizarre things going on

[Teakai]

Which god?

there is no which god... there is only God ; )

then there is angels humans animals etc etc

Redezra, I'm not sure the god of the old testament is the same that Jesus speaks about - one seems to be full of vengeance and jealousies - and I do think that they may be those who have come to earth and interfered with the human race. The new testament refers to something much more loving. I can't make the connection at all.
In fact it seems that Jesus was warning us off the ways of the god of the OT - it seems a bit of a mixed back - especially in the gnostic texts.

And Jonathon Klecks decoding of the Sumerian/Egyptian picture seems to support that.

[sunnyrap]

The gnostic text, Keys of Enoch, makes it clear there were two Gods referred to

[DNA]

*****
About a year ago, I was returning home from visiting friends rather late one night. We live about 7 miles apart off the same long, densely wooded country road. I was about half way to the family farm when, to the right of the car my attention was drawn to movement up ahead in the trees. Just as my car passed the trees, I saw a much larger than man-sized 'black shadow' (I described it to my friend on the cell phone a little later as being kind of like the movie, Predator, but more like an inky black shadow you couldn't see through) jumped down from the trees
next to the road just as I passed it. I stomped on the accelerator because I got that 'someone staring at the back of my neck' shiver fright-tingles.
The feeling stayed with me for a while then faded when I turned into our drive.


Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....


Have you ever read or heard of the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by George Knapp and Colm Kelleher? A most excellent book,,,one of the best, a true paradigm changer.

In the book,,,,,a specific geographic area is cited as having strange phenomanon.
It's hinted that this place is not alone,,,in so much that strange cryptozological creatures, UFO's, Poltergiests and strange glowing orbs frequent such places.
.
It's hinted that certain areas of the physical earth are hot spots for portals into other worlds.
These portals are accessed by,,,strange beings.
West Virginia is supposdly one such place a hot spot for UFO's and cyptids such as Mothman.
Sedonna Arizona is another.
The Superstition Mountains of Arizona.
The San Luis Valley of Coloroado.
Dulce New Mexico.
.
.
My point is,,what you saw sounds very much like a cryptid that was described in "hunt for the skinwalker", it also sounds like Mothman from West Virginia.

[Lord Sidious]

אנכי יהוה אלהיך. לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני

"I am the lord your God. You shall have no other gods beside my face"

There you go, Redezra, it was other gods, after all.


the other gods which are symbolized by idols and sigils are demons

Chemosh Moloch Saturn Baal etc etc are all demons or devils ; )


---

it's all connected bearcow ; )

There are those who have eyes, but do not see and those who have ears, but do not hear.
If you can't follow the writings in your own books, then how much credence should I put in your posts about your religion?
And jehovah is a war god, not necessarily THE god.

[DNA]

אנכי יהוה אלהיך. לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני

"I am the lord your God. You shall have no other gods beside my face"

There you go, Redezra, it was other gods, after all.


the other gods which are symbolized by idols and sigils are demons

Chemosh Moloch Saturn Baal etc etc are all demons or devils ; )


---
it's all connected bearcow ; )

I don't think it's all connected.
I think most if not ALL old religion gods were ancient astronauts mastaken for something else.
It would be like worshipping Frankenfurter from the rocky horror picture show. He's a sweet transvestite by the way. :)
.
.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc80tFJpTuo

[RedeZra]

Redezra, I'm not sure the god of the old testament is the same that Jesus speaks about - one seems to be full of vengeance and jealousies - and I do think that they may be those who have come to earth and interfered with the human race.

imagine this


a group of angels meddling into the affairs of mankind

teaching humanity all kinds of things

and sire Giants with women


perverting the plan and purpose of mankind


the fallen angels are the fathers of demons

which are the spirits of the dead Giants


you see these were times when vengence was in order

so to correct the corruption of the fallen ; )

¤=[Post Update]=¤



There are those who have eyes, but do not see and those who have ears, but do not hear.
If you can't follow the writings in your own books, then how much credence should I put in your posts about your religion?
And jehovah is a war god, not necessarily THE god.

Sssssh Sidious ; )

¤=[Post Update]=¤





אנכי יהוה אלהיך. לא יהיה לך אלהים אחרים על פני

"I am the lord your God. You shall have no other gods beside my face"

There you go, Redezra, it was other gods, after all.


the other gods which are symbolized by idols and sigils are demons

Chemosh Moloch Saturn Baal etc etc are all demons or devils ; )


---
it's all connected bearcow ; )

I don't think it's all connected.
I think most if not ALL old religion gods were ancient astronauts mastaken for something else.


but you're just an idiot

according to Don Juan ; )

[Houman]

They have reached the same conclusion following a completely different path

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD99ir2Uzio
Houman

PS: The video is in French and the author is the late (murdered) J. Guieu

in 8 parts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD99ir2Uzio

[Teakai]

imagine this


a group of angels meddling into the affairs of mankind

teaching humanity all kinds of things

and sire Giants with women


perverting the plan and purpose of mankind


the fallen angels are the fathers of demons

which are the spirits of the dead Giants


you see these were times when vengence was in order

so to correct the corruption of the fallen ; )[COLOR="red"]


Maybe fallen angels are ET's. Makes more sense even by just comparing the God of the OT and that of the NT and Ezeckiel definitely sounds like it's about ET.
Then looking at the decoded Sumerian picture.
Then the fact that there are 2 different blood types on the planet.

I think the OT god/s is definitely about lower dimension entities and the NT version is about the reality - only it's been corrupted and anthropomorphosed by those who make religions - either by ignorance or by design. But that those Christians who are worshipping the same God as in teh OT - are basically worshipping an idol. They are doing exactly what Jesus told them not to do - which is ironic.

[RedeZra]

Maybe fallen angels are ET's. Makes more sense even by just comparing the God of the OT and that of the NT and Ezeckiel definitely sounds like it's about ET.
Then looking at the decoded Sumerian picture.
Then the fact that there are 2 different blood types on the planet.



I think the OT god/s is definitely about lower dimension entities and the NT version is about the reality - only it's been corrupted and anthropomorphosed by those who make religions - either by ignorance or by design. But that those Christians who are worshipping the same God as in teh OT - are basically worshipping an idol. They are doing exactly what Jesus told them not to do - which is ironic.


there is a spiritual realm right ?

the spirit realm is not inhabited with Extraterrestrials as ET implies beings from other physical planets

so it must be inhabited with spirits


Hollywood portrays it as ET

the PTB's media and propaganda machine portray it as ET

by this fact alone that the PTB portrays it as ET makes it highly unlikely that it is ET

one doesn't even need spiritual understanding to come to this conclusion


you think alot Teakai and that's good... but guess less ; )

[Fred Steeves]

The bad guys aren't the only game in town.Help or evolution might be on its way.The sun has been emitting some new 'stuff' of late.The great game is starting to get interesting.

Interesting for some, terrifying for others.


Fred

[Fred Steeves]

I read these books years and years ago, with a faint glimmer of understanding. Now it is understandable. Thanks for this thread.

Same here. I think I need to read them again.. It was so long ago.


I finally re-read one a couple of months ago,"The Fire From Within". It was like suddenly the instruction manual came with it this time. I even started a thread about one of the aspects because it was so powerful.

The times they ARE a changin.

Fred

[Teakai]

there is a spiritual realm right ?

the spirit realm is not inhabited with Extraterrestrials as ET implies beings from other physical planets

so it must be inhabited with spirits


Hollywood portrays it as ET

the PTB's media and propaganda machine portray it as ET

by this fact alone that the PTB portrays it as ET makes it highly unlikely that it is ET

one doesn't even need spiritual understanding to come to this conclusion


you think alot Teakai and that's good... but guess less ; )




Hi Redezra - I think there are lots of different realms from the material to the spiritual. I'm saying that what Jesus is talking about is the spirit realm and what the OT is talking about is of the material realm.

Did you read Ezeckiels experience as having taken place in the spiritual or in the physical?

What Jesus was talking about in no way connects to the jealous God of the OT and I wonder how you see that they are. Being that one is a jealous god by his own admission and the other is a loving and merciful father.

Jesus was a messenger telling us that we were all able to be privy to the truth - it was for all of us equally. Religion has turned the messenger into yet another idol for that angry jealous god that requires worshipping and sacrifice.

I don't guess so much as work with the material that sticks :)

[Teakai]

Maybe fallen angels are ET's. Makes more sense even by just comparing the God of the OT and that of the NT and Ezeckiel definitely sounds like it's about ET.
Then looking at the decoded Sumerian picture.
Then the fact that there are 2 different blood types on the planet.



I think the OT god/s is definitely about lower dimension entities and the NT version is about the reality - only it's been corrupted and anthropomorphosed by those who make religions - either by ignorance or by design. But that those Christians who are worshipping the same God as in teh OT - are basically worshipping an idol. They are doing exactly what Jesus told them not to do - which is ironic.


there is a spiritual realm right ?

the spirit realm is not inhabited with Extraterrestrials as ET implies beings from other physical planets

so it must be inhabited with spirits


Hollywood portrays it as ET

the PTB's media and propaganda machine portray it as ET

by this fact alone that the PTB portrays it as ET makes it highly unlikely that it is ET

one doesn't even need spiritual understanding to come to this conclusion


you think alot Teakai and that's good... but guess less ; )




Forgot to ask, Redezra - in what movie does Hollywood cast God as an ET?

And Hollywood has been telling us truths mixed with a whole lot of doody through their movies - only we reject it as being fiction. The gods of the elites are ET's.
Possibly they are also what religion might refer to as demons or the devil. The term serpent comes up a bit in the bible - and I'm pretty sure there is relevance to that - especially considering the serpents within the decoded Sumerian/Egyptian picture.

[9eagle9]

My feet hurt.



.


.

Okay - Ktlight, DNA and all others - I say, food and "beverage" time - matters not if it is morning where one is - here in PA, all know time is an illusion thus eat drink and... "pass the napkin please"... enjoy as we go back on topic.

Cheers!!!

[RedeZra]

Forgot to ask, Redezra - in what movie does Hollywood cast God as an ET?

And Hollywood has been telling us truths mixed with a whole lot of doody through their movies - only we reject it as being fiction. The gods of the elites are ET's.
Possibly they are also what religion might refer to as demons or the devil. The term serpent comes up a bit in the bible - and I'm pretty sure there is relevance to that - especially considering the serpents within the decoded Sumerian/Egyptian picture.


I do not trust the PTB ; )


they reverse everything and present it upside-down to the public

so when they call it ExtraTerrestrial then it must be something else

like InterDimensional


if they are InterDimensionals then it explains the high strangeness connected with UFO aliens and abductions


besides it's not reasonable to think that an advanced species capable to cross vast expanses of the universe

need to come by the cover of night to abduct people from their beds and babble simple pseudo-spiritual stuff through channelers


there is simply nothing ExtraTerrestrial about it but it is presented as such by the PTB


I say the idols of old are back in full force because of the service and the worship of the PTB to these creatures that smell like sulphur ; )

[Teakai]

I do not trust the PTB ; )


they reverse everything and present it upside-down to the public

so when they call it ExtraTerrestrial then it must be something else

like InterDimensional


if they are InterDimensionals then it explains the high strangeness connected with UFO aliens and abductions


besides it's not reasonable to think that an advanced specie capable to cross vast expanses of the universe

need to come by the cover of night to abduct people from their beds and babble simple pseudo-spiritual stuff through channelers


there simply is nothing ExtraTerrestrial about it but it is presented as such by the PTB


I say the idols of old are back in full force because of the service and the worship of the PTB to these creatures that smell like sulphur ; )



I don't trust the ptb either - but in Hollywood the truth is turned upside down already by presenting it as fiction not fact.

As to the rest of your post, I'm not sure of the point you are making.
The vast expanses of the universe and the distances we perceive are merely based on the understanding of our limited human perception - it is unreasonable to base any assumption as being possible or true on that - it is merely personal speculation.

I am saying that reason does not connect the OT god with the NT message of Jesus based on the actual writings given within the bible itself .

[Lord Sidious]

You know RedeZra, I think you are intelligent.
You will eventually transcend religion and then move on.
When you do that, your blinkers fall away and you get a better idea of the big picture.
I do find it ironic that you don't trust the ptb, yet they invented your religion and even decided what books the bible would consist of.
But you know that.
You do.

[RedeZra]

You know RedeZra, I think you are intelligent.
You will eventually transcend religion and then move on.


I have transcended religions but I'm not above truth ; )

[Lord Sidious]

You know RedeZra, I think you are intelligent.
You will eventually transcend religion and then move on.


I have transcended religions but I'm not above truth ; )

No one is nugget.

[RedeZra]

I don't trust the ptb either - but in Hollywood the truth is turned upside down already by presenting it as fiction not fact.

As to the rest of your post, I'm not sure of the point you are making.
The vast expanses of the universe and the distances we perceive are merely based on the understanding of our limited human perception - it is unreasonable to base any assumption as being possible or true on that - it is merely personal speculation.

I am saying that reason does not connect the OT god with the NT message of Jesus based on the actual writings given within the bible itself .


ET does not exist but demons do


demons are no good but the PTB is in league with them

and so presents the demons as ET in Hollywood and the MSM

by the simple use of Hegelian dialectic



this is because the PTB are against truth and wants to fool as many as possible

into believing that truth is false and false is truth


they are doing a good job


as many people now believe that the Bible is false

when nothing could be further from the truth !


by masquerading demons as ET they make a case that ET seeded us

and that God has nothing to do with it


there are many reasons to disguise demons as ET

but the purpose is to trick and mold us

into believing what they want us to believe

so they can control us



I have said it many times already why God destroyed the Giants in the OT ; )

[truthseekerdan]

ET does not exist but demons do

Red, I'll say that you can be either of the 2, or both... ;)

[RedeZra]

ET does not exist but demons do

Red, I'll say that you can be either of the 2, or both... ;)

I cannot be ET as it doesn't exist

besides I have a body so I'm no demon either ; )

[truthseekerdan]

ET does not exist but demons do

Red, I'll say that you can be either of the 2, or both... ;)

I cannot be ET as it doesn't exist

besides I have a body so I'm no demon either ; )

Then you could be a god incarnated... ;)

[RedeZra]

ET does not exist but demons do

Red, I'll say that you can be either of the 2, or both... ;)

I cannot be ET as it doesn't exist

besides I have a body so I'm no demon either ; )

Then you could be a god incarnated... ;)

I'm just a simple wannabe saint ; )

[161803398]

I was always very spiritual as a child and believed there was one God, but not one with a name. Then my Presbyterian aunt convinced my mother to send me to Sunday school and I was horrified by the Bible. For a few things, the old testament is very violent; there's a lot of things that make no sense; a lot of talk of incest and bestiality; I could not conceive of God being "jealous"; the bible suggested there were other gods who were in competition with the god of "Israel"; and I'm not Israeli and my family has no known history of every having been in Israel. It all sounded very suspicious and often adolescent to me and I was only 8. The new testament is better, but I prefer the Gnostic gospels or the Gospel of Judas -- because there, Jesus said in that book that his god did not have a name.

I was so disgusted with that church I went on a hunt for another one. I also got sick of the Sunday school teacher's husband who wanted to have private meetings with a group of us upstairs to talk about sex. I went on to every church I could find but they were all extremely weird as far as I could see. They were all obsessed with "sin". I think its very hard to move forward when you have an obsession like that. The United Church wasn't too bad so I stayed there for a while. However, I ultimately decided if I was ever to find God it would never be in a Church.


Why do you look for god?
YOU are god.
I am god.
God is us, in us, we know this, we just forgot.
Look not outside, unless to confirm.
It is all internal.

I dont actually think I'm god. I think we are all connected though. But my religion is my own based on experience and observation. I don't tend to follow anyone. So I'm a variation of what you are saying. I do not look outside. I do not follow anyone. I only rely on what my own experience tells me. So I don't think I'm God. It's entirely possible that I am totally wrong.

I don't think its all internal. The reason for that is there are a lot of things I have experienced that at least seem to be very external. I could be wrong about that too. But as I said, I follow my own observation and not anyone else.

I do sometimes read religious teaching from other religions to see if there is anyone saying anything in there that would give me some guidance about what I have observed. Some of the people writing these works were much more expert that I on the subject of God.

[truthseekerdan]

Only God (Source/Creator) IS (exists), and everything in this Universe including us are fragments (fractals) of IT.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm0a9k-ug58

Much Love

[RedeZra]

I was always very spiritual as a child and believed there was one God, but not one with a name.

However, I ultimately decided if I was ever to find God it would never be in a Church.

God is the Great nameless and formless

but one cannot expect that everybody can relate to God as formless and nameless

so God gives a name and a form so humanity can relate to Him

[Lord Sidious]

I was always very spiritual as a child and believed there was one God, but not one with a name.

However, I ultimately decided if I was ever to find God it would never be in a Church.

God is the Great nameless and formless

but one cannot expect that everybody can relate to God as formless and nameless

so God gives a name and a form so humanity can relate to Him

Every single living thing can relate to the great power/god/spirt/source/creator.
It is just humans don't want us to, so they invent religions, tell us all types of :bs: that we can't relate to it.
Well if you/he/she/they can, why can I not?
Are you sure this isn't your ego speaking to you?
How the hell could I not relate to that which created me?
No one ever spoke up for me to my mother and father.
Why would I need that with THE creator?
You are much smarter than this, let go of the rope and just be.

[truthseekerdan]

You want to know more Lord Sid... We're not even created by God. From a higher perspective we are fractals of IT (more correctly ITS dream). :nod:

[161803398]

Remote viewing was the thing that really shocked me. I was pretty conservative about that, which is funny to say considering other things I've experienced. But then I tried it myself. If remote viewing works it means there is no division between us and anyone or anything...not even time.

And there is no division between us and those UFOs (at least some of them) because they respond to our thoughts.

[Lord Sidious]

You want to know more Lord Sid... We're not even created by God. From a higher perspective we are fractals of IT (more correctly ITS dream). :nod:

There are many ways to describe the same diamond, whilst looking at different facets.

[RedeZra]

Every single living thing can relate to the great power/god/spirt/source/creator.


if everyone can relate to God then why is the world in such a sorry state ?


it cannot be explained without the introduction of an Archadversary

when we have an Adversary then how powerful is he ?


I suggest he is as powerful as an Archangel ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Every single living thing can relate to the great power/god/spirt/source/creator.


if everyone can relate to God then why is the world in such a sorry state ?


it cannot be explained without the introduction of an Archadversary

when we have an Adversary then how powerful is he ?


I suggest he is as powerful as an Archangel ; )

We are the adversary, we need no other to turn off the path.
It is always someone/something else, never us.
IT IS ALL IN US.
The world is like this because it is meant to be.
And I would dispute your claim that it can only be explained your way, that is your opinion.
Let go of the rope.
Religion is like trainer wheels, you are meant to only use them till you can do without them.
Come on in nugget, the water is nice and cooooooooooooooooool.

[truthseekerdan]

if everyone can relate to God then why is the world in such a sorry state ?

Because we think of it that way...

it cannot be explained without the introduction of an Archadversary

when we have an Adversary then how powerful is he ?

As powerful as ones ego-mind is...

I suggest he is as powerful as an Archangel ; )

Which one? ;)



There is no good, there is no evil,
There is only expression.

[RedeZra]

We are the adversary, we need no other to turn off the path.
It is always someone/something else, never us.
IT IS ALL IN US.
The world is like this because it is meant to be.


so this sad state of the world is ment to be

because most of us are just f*ckups

with no understanding nor relation to God ; )

[Lord Sidious]

We are the adversary, we need no other to turn off the path.
It is always someone/something else, never us.
IT IS ALL IN US.
The world is like this because it is meant to be.


so this sad state of the world is ment to be

because most of us are just f*ckups

with no understanding nor relation to God ; )

Read your own books, they tell you it is meant to be this way.
It is because many people argue over what sermon to give today and not what to do about evil.

[RedeZra]

There is no good, there is no evil,
There is only expression.

you can say that because you don't have the knowledge of good and evil ; )

[RedeZra]

Read your own books, they tell you it is meant to be this way.
It is because many people argue over what sermon to give today and not what to do about evil.

the ball is in our court

the change is in our hands

we can make a difference if we want ; )


a good act goes a long way and is never wrong

but one needs to know the difference between good and evil


else one might do evil and think it's good

[161803398]

One of the explanation's for why evil exists is the "cold is the absence of heat; darkness the absence of light; evil that absence of love" explanation...meaning that there is actually no such thing as evil only people who are have not found love or God

[RedeZra]

One of the explanation's for why evil exists is the "cold is the absence of heat; darkness the absence of light; evil that absence of love" explanation...meaning that there is actually no such thing as evil only people who are have not found love or God

if only we could convince the demons about the love of God ; )

[RedeZra]

are you aware that you're harassing a saint here

do you know the punishment for that ?

coz I want to know

lol

[truthseekerdan]

There is no good, there is no evil,
There is only expression.

you can say that because you don't have the knowledge of good and evil ; )

I would say a different understanding. The ego-mind is about knowledge of "good and evil", because it likes to dwell in fear...

[Lord Sidious]

are you aware that you're harassing a saint here

do you know the punishment for that ?

coz I want to know

lol

The devil will give me a crate of Jack Daniels. :p

[RedeZra]

are you aware that you're harassing a saint here

do you know the punishment for that ?

coz I want to know

lol

The devil will give me a crate of Jack Daniels. :p

Ah that's not bad at all

[RedeZra]

I would say a different understanding. The ego-mind is about knowledge of "good and evil", because it likes to dwell in fear...


not at all

without the knowledge of good an evil

one will keep tripping

stumble and fall

in the snares of evil

[161803398]

not at all

without the knowledge of good an evil

one will keep tripping

stumble and fall

in the snares of evil

Well, one thing thats true about that is that I come into contact with a lot of really nice, good people who don't have a clue what is really going on in the world. This enables a lot of bad people to do some horrible things. On the other hard, there is a lot of evil in the world that is a direct consequence of fear.

[ViralSpiral]

if everyone can relate to God then why is the world in such a sorry state ?



Old question, old answer: inflation of fear

Forcing a choice, I would go with the flying Spaghetti Monster or Eywa from Pandora over any current dogmatic/enigmatic fan clubs.....


Pass the JD and broken baguettes

:whistle:


“The self-confidence of the warrior is not the self-confidence of the average man. The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self-confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness. The average man is hooked to his fellow men, while the warrior is hooked only to infinity.”

Carlos Castaneda

[Teakai]

ET does not exist but demons do


demons are no good but the PTB is in league with them

and so presents the demons as ET in Hollywood and the MSM

by the simple use of Hegelian dialectic



this is because the PTB are against truth and wants to fool as many as possible

into believing that truth is false and false is truth


they are doing a good job


as many people now believe that the Bible is false

when nothing could be further from the truth !


by masquerading demons as ET they make a case that ET seeded us

and that God has nothing to do with it


there are many reasons to disguise demons as ET

but the purpose is to trick and mold us

into believing what they want us to believe

so they can control us



I have said it many times already why God destroyed the Giants in the OT ; )

But...how do you know ET's don't exist? And why would you think they didn't?

What was Ezeckiel about?

What Hollywood movie have you seen that has portrayed ET's as being the makers of humankind? I'm seriously asking this because I'm curious. I haven't seen one and if there is one that you know of I'd be interested in seeing it.

I see that the bible may have many truths - but it is also deceptive and incomplete. I base this on the grounds of the history of the establishment of Christianity by Constantine.

[ktlight]

One of the explanation's for why evil exists is the "cold is the absence of heat; darkness the absence of light; evil that absence of love" explanation...meaning that there is actually no such thing as evil only people who are have not found love or God

if only we could convince the demons about the love of God ; )

Redezra, if god created everything, they already know.

[Teakai]

I was always very spiritual as a child and believed there was one God, but not one with a name.

However, I ultimately decided if I was ever to find God it would never be in a Church.

God is the Great nameless and formless

but one cannot expect that everybody can relate to God as formless and nameless

so God gives a name and a form so humanity can relate to Him

The word god is so evasive and expansive and so full of people's own personal projections that it is quite useless to use it in any sense at all. It is a meaningless word. Say God and each person will have their own interpretation of what God is - and be no closer to understanding the reality.

[Teakai]

so this sad state of the world is ment to be

because most of us are just f*ckups

with no understanding nor relation to God ; )

The Truth that makes us whole won't be found in religion - though religion may be the first place people look.
And people can't be made to see it.
It's a process.
And while people are looking for their Truth, digging for the treasure, hunting the pearl - they might make some big messes.

But that's what we chose to be here for.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


if only we could convince the demons about the love of God ; )

That's another thing I'm interested in your opinion about, Redezra - why doesn't God destroy the demons?

[161803398]

Old question, old answer: inflation of fear

Its not only fear; its also wilful blindness; inertia; naivety etc etc. People need a lot of information to make the world a better place which they won't get when they chose to live in a mental rose garden.

[Teakai]

Read your own books, they tell you it is meant to be this way.
It is because many people argue over what sermon to give today and not what to do about evil.

the ball is in our court

the change is in our hands

we can make a difference if we want ; )


a good act goes a long way and is never wrong

but one needs to know the difference between good and evil


else one might do evil and think it's good

What is it you feel is to be our measure for how to make the judgment on what is good and what is evil?

[ktlight]

Old question, old answer: inflation of fear

Its not only fear; its also wilful blindness; inertia; naivety etc etc. People need a lot of information to make the world a better place which they won't get when they chose to live in a mental rose garden.

It's what thought emphatically rejects when confronted with the truth and that is why the person will fall back into fear, unless they have courage to deal with it.

[Teakai]

are you aware that you're harassing a saint here

do you know the punishment for that ?

coz I want to know

lol

The devil will give me a crate of Jack Daniels. :p

And would that be a good act - or an evil act, M'lord? ;)

[Teakai]

are you aware that you're harassing a saint here

do you know the punishment for that ?

coz I want to know

lol

Just checking - You're not really feeling harrassed are you, Redezra? This is a fun conversation - would hate to think you weren't enjoying yourself :)

[RedeZra]

Just checking - You're not really feeling harrassed are you, Redezra? This is a fun conversation - would hate to think you weren't enjoying yourself :)

no I'm not feeling harassed and I'm enjoying it as well ; )


back in the OT times the prophets of God were rewarded with stones and even the Son got a crown of thorns before getting strung up on a cross

that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths

there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised


I am aware of the Adversary and I see him as the shining one to the PTB

he is a former Archangel before he fell from grace with his legions


do you know the power of an Archangel ?

all the people in the world put together are no match for them


there is evil and vice and there is good and virtue

and they both got a champion to pursue the path and fight the cause


think about it ! evil must come from somewhere

it must have a source and that source is a fallen Archangel

who was too proud to bow his head to Adam the clayman


you think the Bible is false ?

No No it has been preserved by the blood of the saints and the prophets


you are just under a hypnotic spell and massive mind control

such is the power of an Archangel ; )

[ktlight]

Just checking - You're not really feeling harrassed are you, Redezra? This is a fun conversation - would hate to think you weren't enjoying yourself :)

no I'm not feeling harassed and I'm enjoying it as well ; )

back in the OT times the prophets of God were rewarded with stones and even the Son got a crown of thorns before getting strung up on a cross

that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths

there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised

I am aware of the Adversary and I see him as the shining one to the PTB
he is a former Archangel before he fell from grace with his legions

do you know the power of an Archangel ?
all the people in the world put together are no match for them

there is evil and vice and there is good and virtue
and they both got a champion to pursue the path and fight the cause


think about it ! evil must come from somewhere
it must have a source and that source is a fallen Archangel
who was too proud to bow his head to Adam the clayman

you think the Bible is false ?

No No it has been preserved by the blood of the saints and the prophets

you are just under a hypnotic spell and massive mind control
such is the power of an Archangel ; )

Redezra, I note you identify with .... 'that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths'. If there are many who hold those beliefs, then maybe that is why 'there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised'. All else that you state, if i do not find any truth in it, why will it hold me to those concepts? I mean, how can it?

[RedeZra]

Redezra, I note you identify with .... 'that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths'. If there are many who hold those beliefs, then maybe that is why 'there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised'.

how does the PTB deal with those that tries to blow the lid about the dealings of the PTB ?

who's fault is it if one doesn't recognize facts and truths ?

[ktlight]

Redezra, I note you identify with .... 'that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths'. If there are many who hold those beliefs, then maybe that is why 'there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised'.

how does the PTB deal with those that tries to blow the lid about the dealings of the PTB ?

who's fault is it if one doesn't recognize facts and truths ?

The point is, Redezra, you identify with them and I do not'. And why do you think we have to fear them? If you trust Love, what is there to fear?

As to your question, whose fault is it, I take responsibility because I recognise that I am the world and the world is me. There is no separation. I am quite aware of history and, as to the bible, Daniel slew the Giant. I question all the violence.

My understanding is that god is LOVE, nothing less and totally ALL.

[RedeZra]

The point is, Redezra, you identify with them and I do not'. And why do you think we have to fear them? If you trust Love, what is there to fear?



I identify myself with humanity as I am also human

and that is what is ment with the term 'Son of Man'


I'm not talking about fear or fearing them but when they are as real as you and me then I think you need to know about it ; )

[ktlight]

The point is, Redezra, you identify with them and I do not'. And why do you think we have to fear them? If you trust Love, what is there to fear?



I identify myself with humanity as I am also human

and that is what is ment with the term 'Son of Man'


I'm not talking about fear or fearing them but when they are as real as you and me then I think you need to know about it ; )

Redezra, thank you for your concern. I actually do know about them, not everything there is to know, but I know not to be afraid.

[king anthony]

I say, for truth of discussion, seek what the ancients knew; human arrogance and need, as well as "the few" and "those others" have clouded truth by chance and design.

I now remain silent in this thread.

[Teakai]

no I'm not feeling harassed and I'm enjoying it as well ; )


back in the OT times the prophets of God were rewarded with stones and even the Son got a crown of thorns before getting strung up on a cross

that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths

there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised


I am aware of the Adversary and I see him as the shining one to the PTB

he is a former Archangel before he fell from grace with his legions


do you know the power of an Archangel ?

all the people in the world put together are no match for them


there is evil and vice and there is good and virtue

and they both got a champion to pursue the path and fight the cause


think about it ! evil must come from somewhere

it must have a source and that source is a fallen Archangel

who was too proud to bow his head to Adam the clayman


you think the Bible is false ?

No No it has been preserved by the blood of the saints and the prophets


you are just under a hypnotic spell and massive mind control

such is the power of an Archangel ; )

I don't think the bible is false, necessarily - but I don't think it is literal either.

Where does evil come from? The ego.
This good and this evil that religion would have people believe is due to outside influence is within us- the devil and god is with us. It is the ego illusion and the soul realisation.
If we think it's other than within us - then we'll always be focusing and looking for answers and accountability in the wrong place.

Which could well answer to your pondering as to why the world is in such a sorry state.

[Lord Sidious]

Redezra, I note you identify with .... 'that's how we deal with those that dare speak truths'. If there are many who hold those beliefs, then maybe that is why 'there is something very wrong with the world but I am not surprised'.

how does the PTB deal with those that tries to blow the lid about the dealings of the PTB ?

who's fault is it if one doesn't recognize facts and truths ?

What you ASSUME to be facts and truth.
That is what you meant, alhtough not what you said.

[9eagle9]

Most ancient traditions identified the ego as the devil ,even if they didn't use precise psychological terms. Then the Abrahamic traditions came along and we lost sight of what 'evil' really is. It became external instead of an internal mechanism that required masterly. The great leveler here, we all have the devil inside of us so its rather hypocritical to assign values of good and evil..

The ego (the devil) is what assigns values like good and evil.

That is where such lack of self accountability comes from in organized religions, its easy to blame some invisible man in red suit rather than developing self mastery.

[Seikou-Kishi]

When we consider the bible has been in the editorial hands of the very people who would most benefit from a certain interpretation of it, it cannot be surprising to consider the possibility that it has been changed to support that certain interpretation. My advice (if you'll forgive me) is this: take what it useful and cast away what is not useful; when all else is considered, the utility of a biblical verse will always matter more than the truth. Pick the good bits, the bits that say "love thy neighbour as thyself" and leave as unenlightened the unhappy lines like 'suffer ye not a witch to live'. Perhaps the biggest test the god of the bible ever provided for his followers was an imperfect book they had to dissect and separate into wholesome and unwholesome portions according to a more perfect and resolute inner spiritual truth.

[9eagle9]

I always envisioned a time when we were all taken up to heaven to find God gleefully dancing about with a Bible: "You believed this? Make me laugh. All of you go to hell."

[Teakai]

The point is, Redezra, you identify with them and I do not'. And why do you think we have to fear them? If you trust Love, what is there to fear?



I identify myself with humanity as I am also human

and that is what is ment with the term 'Son of Man'


I'm not talking about fear or fearing them but when they are as real as you and me then I think you need to know about it ; )

Hi Redezra - maybe these demons and reptilians are just different names for the same thing?

[ktlight]

The point is, Redezra, you identify with them and I do not'. And why do you think we have to fear them? If you trust Love, what is there to fear?



I identify myself with humanity as I am also human

and that is what is ment with the term 'Son of Man'


I'm not talking about fear or fearing them but when they are as real as you and me then I think you need to know about it ; )

Hi Redezra - maybe these demons and reptilians are just different names for the same thing?

Also, Redezra, sometimes what you write can act as a mirror.

[RedeZra]

Hi Redezra - maybe these demons and reptilians are just different names for the same thing?


yes reptilians are probably a new name for fallen angels

there is a difference between fallen angels and demons as fallen angels are the fathers of demons

demons are the spirits of the Nephilim which were the Giant earthly offspring of the fallen angels


humanity has not only a ego problem because of maya or ignorance

but we also have an Adversary in the form of a fallen Archangel and his ilk as angels too suffer from ignorance but in a lesser degree than mankind

[firstlook]

Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.


This speaks to me on a confident level. Also 9eagle9's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21069-Multidimensional-demon-lords&p=233252&viewfull=1#post233252) reflects how I feel about my perception of things.

[RedeZra]

Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.


This speaks to me on a confident level. Also 9eagle9's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21069-Multidimensional-demon-lords&p=233252&viewfull=1#post233252) reflects how I feel about my perception of things.

it's not accurate and it doesn't address the reality of demons

actually it doesn't explain anything

it's Cumbaya with a twist of Margarita ; )

[ktlight]

it's not accurate and it doesn't address the reality of demons

actually it doesn't explain anything


Redezra, Would keeping the mind free of anything that would attract negatives be the remedy regarding the demons?

[Lord Sidious]

Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For them, discipline is an art: the art of facing infinity without flinching, not because they are strong and tough but because they are filled with awe.


This speaks to me on a confident level. Also 9eagle9's post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21069-Multidimensional-demon-lords&p=233252&viewfull=1#post233252) reflects how I feel about my perception of things.

it's not accurate and it doesn't address the reality of demons

actually it doesn't explain anything

it's Cumbaya with a twist of Margarita ; )

Your codescending attitude to anything that doesn't fit YOUR view shows me who gets what.
You don't WANT things to be explained other than by your holy book/s.
The only kumbaya here is yours.

[Teakai]

Hi Redezra - maybe these demons and reptilians are just different names for the same thing?


yes reptilians are probably a new name for fallen angels

there is a difference between fallen angels and demons as fallen angels are the fathers of demons

demons are the spirits of the Nephilim which were the Giant earthly offspring of the fallen angels


humanity has not only a ego problem because of maya or ignorance

but we also have an Adversary in the form of a fallen Archangel and his ilk as angels too suffer from ignorance but in a lesser degree than mankind



How about - the reptilians (fallen angels) messed about with the genetics of a particular branch of humanity (as seen in Sumerian picture - King and Queen are large - possibly depiciting giants - Apparently Eve was a giant - and her grave is quite large - maybe she was the first of the reptilian bloodline) for the purpose that they may inhabit that body for their particular use. When these bodies are used by the reptilian entities they are referred to as demons. Thereby making them the same thing.

[sunnyrap]

*****
About a year ago, I was returning home from visiting friends rather late one night. We live about 7 miles apart off the same long, densely wooded country road. I was about half way to the family farm when, to the right of the car my attention was drawn to movement up ahead in the trees. Just as my car passed the trees, I saw a much larger than man-sized 'black shadow' (I described it to my friend on the cell phone a little later as being kind of like the movie, Predator, but more like an inky black shadow you couldn't see through) jumped down from the trees
next to the road just as I passed it. I stomped on the accelerator because I got that 'someone staring at the back of my neck' shiver fright-tingles.
The feeling stayed with me for a while then faded when I turned into our drive.


Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....


Have you ever read or heard of the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by George Knapp and Colm Kelleher? A most excellent book,,,one of the best, a true paradigm changer.

In the book,,,,,a specific geographic area is cited as having strange phenomanon.
It's hinted that this place is not alone,,,in so much that strange cryptozological creatures, UFO's, Poltergiests and strange glowing orbs frequent such places.
.
It's hinted that certain areas of the physical earth are hot spots for portals into other worlds.
These portals are accessed by,,,strange beings.
West Virginia is supposdly one such place a hot spot for UFO's and cyptids such as Mothman.
Sedonna Arizona is another.
The Superstition Mountains of Arizona.
The San Luis Valley of Coloroado.
Dulce New Mexico.
.
.
My point is,,what you saw sounds very much like a cryptid that was described in "hunt for the skinwalker", it also sounds like Mothman from West Virginia.


Yes, this area is a location for more than one 'Big Foot' sighting. There is actually a quite active group, the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy (http://www.texasbigfoot.org/) I and my local friends with a metaphysical bent are certain there is a portal nearby.
Any of you who can share tips on methods for finding these, I'd sure appreciate receiving them. There is an app you can add to Google Earth that show ley lines, but the nearest ley line crossing is miles from where this sighting was. I dreamed about a portal not long after moving here, so I feel certain there is one

[RedeZra]

Redezra, Would keeping the mind free of anything that would attract negatives be the remedy regarding the demons?

when one looks into the alien abduction phenomenon then it looks like everybody can become a victim of alien abduction

it's not like those that have not been abducted (yet) are more righteous or pure


still there are some doorways that are more enticing than others to arouse the curiosity of demons

interest and investigation into UFO's is actually one of the doorways together with general divination like tarot and ouija board etc


if one wants to Cumbaya then fine with me

I'm just trying to connect the dots ; )

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Your codescending attitude to anything that doesn't fit YOUR view shows me who gets what.
You don't WANT things to be explained other than by your holy book/s.
The only kumbaya here is yours.

I don't see any arguments from you Sid

if you're not going to debate me then stuff it okay ; )

[RedeZra]

How about - the reptilians (fallen angels) messed about with the genetics of a particular branch of humanity

yes and the result was what the Bible calls Nephilim which is probably the same as the Anunnaki from Sumerian tablets

these Giants were much bigger than ordinary humans at that time and they used to be the Royalty ; )

[Lord Sidious]

Redezra, Would keeping the mind free of anything that would attract negatives be the remedy regarding the demons?

when one looks into the alien abduction phenomenon then it looks like everybody can become a victim of alien abduction

it's not like those that have not been abducted (yet) are more righteous or pure


still there are some doorways that are more enticing than others to arouse the curiosity of demons

interest and investigation into UFO's is actually one of the doorways together with general divination like tarot and ouija board etc


if one wants to Cumbaya then fine with me

I'm just trying to connect the dots ; )

¤=[Post Update]=¤



Your codescending attitude to anything that doesn't fit YOUR view shows me who gets what.
You don't WANT things to be explained other than by your holy book/s.
The only kumbaya here is yours.

I don't see any arguments from you Sid

if you're not going to debate me then stuff it okay ; )

It doesn't matter what any of us say, you have your attitude that your books are right, regardless.
Oh and you started insulting others, so if you can't handle a bit of a singe, stay away from the forge.

[RedeZra]

It doesn't matter what any of us say, you have your attitude that your books are right, regardless.
Oh and you started insulting others, so if you can't handle a bit of a singe, stay away from the forge.


you are welcome to prove me wrong ; )


you have your attitude and a preconcieved notion of things and I have mine

but bring on some counterarguments and not just cheap hip shots


I know you know how to debate so bring it on

[Lord Sidious]

It doesn't matter what any of us say, you have your attitude that your books are right, regardless.
Oh and you started insulting others, so if you can't handle a bit of a singe, stay away from the forge.


you are welcome to prove me wrong ; )


you have your attitude and a preconcieved notion of things and I have mine

but bring on some counterarguments and not just cheap hip shots


I know you know how to debate so bring it on

Pray tell how anyone can prove you wrong when you rely on your faith and some books that no one knows who wrote?
Next thing you will ask me to prove that your god doesn't exist.

[RedeZra]

Pray tell how anyone can prove you wrong when you rely on your faith and some books that no one knows who wrote?
Next thing you will ask me to prove that your god doesn't exist.

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?

[ViralSpiral]

http://rationalia.com/z/tribalcouncil.gif


http://rainmeter.net/forum/images/smilies/PopcornSmileys.gif

[Seikou-Kishi]

Let's try to remain peaceful, you two :P

[ktlight]

Pray tell how anyone can prove you wrong when you rely on your faith and some books that no one knows who wrote?
Next thing you will ask me to prove that your god doesn't exist.

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?

What experience?
And what evidence?

[Lord Sidious]

Pray tell how anyone can prove you wrong when you rely on your faith and some books that no one knows who wrote?
Next thing you will ask me to prove that your god doesn't exist.

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?

Because you said so.

[Teakai]

Redezra, Would keeping the mind free of anything that would attract negatives be the remedy regarding the demons?

when one looks into the alien abduction phenomenon then it looks like everybody can become a victim of alien abduction

it's not like those that have not been abducted (yet) are more righteous or pure


still there are some doorways that are more enticing than others to arouse the curiosity of demons

interest and investigation into UFO's is actually one of the doorways together with general divination like tarot and ouija board etc

I'm just trying to connect the dots ; )[COLOR="red"]



Redezra, do you think that only demons can be contacted this way - or higher entities also?

And, are demons only the souls of dead nephilim or are dead nephilim only one aspect of what is considered demon?

[RedeZra]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

[RedeZra]

Redezra, Would keeping the mind free of anything that would attract negatives be the remedy regarding the demons?

when one looks into the alien abduction phenomenon then it looks like everybody can become a victim of alien abduction

it's not like those that have not been abducted (yet) are more righteous or pure


still there are some doorways that are more enticing than others to arouse the curiosity of demons

interest and investigation into UFO's is actually one of the doorways together with general divination like tarot and ouija board etc

I'm just trying to connect the dots ; )[COLOR="red"]



Redezra, do you think that only demons can be contacted this way - or higher entities also?

And, are demons only the souls of dead nephilim or are dead nephilim only one aspect of what is considered demon?

I think all the beings in hell can be contacted this way ; )


demons are the souls of dead Nephilim

can humans become demons ? Yes

can humans become angels ? Yes

[Lord Sidious]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

[sunnyrap]

Just watched the trailer for the new WB movie release, Green Lantern. Interestingly,
the 'good guys' appear to be aliens who look like the traditional pointy-eared, red devils of our tradition, who to refer to themselves as 'lanterns' (thus, 'Green Lantern). I'm thinking to myself, hmmm....'Satan, the lightbearer' or 'lightbringer'....Now whataya suppose is up with that? As the 'illumined ones' aver that Satan is actually 'the good guy', would this be some major NLP?

[RedeZra]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

very well then you are the one with faith ; )

[Lord Sidious]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

very well then you are the one with faith ; )

I will bite.
How do you figure that?

[RedeZra]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

very well then you are the one with faith ; )

I will bite.
How do you figure that?

you have made up your mind about the nonexistence of demons

so much so that you don't even want to look into it

that my friend is faith

[Seikou-Kishi]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

very well then you are the one with faith ; )

I will bite.
How do you figure that?

you have made up your mind about the nonexistence of demons

so much so that you don't even want to look into it

that my friend is faith

I think he has you there, old bean.

[Carmody]

The human body and mind were designed to live in the moment of now but to predict the future based on history. Thus we project our preconceived notions into the future.

Thus the need to drive us through our fears.

I see some bits of the preconceived notions breaking though right here and projecting a future for these two people. I see a discussion disabled in it's basis...by one projecting upon the other. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less.

We are all guilty of this, myself included. All it takes is the right trigger for the given mind and situation.

[Carmody]

*****
About a year ago, I was returning home from visiting friends rather late one night. We live about 7 miles apart off the same long, densely wooded country road. I was about half way to the family farm when, to the right of the car my attention was drawn to movement up ahead in the trees. Just as my car passed the trees, I saw a much larger than man-sized 'black shadow' (I described it to my friend on the cell phone a little later as being kind of like the movie, Predator, but more like an inky black shadow you couldn't see through) jumped down from the trees
next to the road just as I passed it. I stomped on the accelerator because I got that 'someone staring at the back of my neck' shiver fright-tingles.
The feeling stayed with me for a while then faded when I turned into our drive.


Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....


Have you ever read or heard of the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by George Knapp and Colm Kelleher? A most excellent book,,,one of the best, a true paradigm changer.

In the book,,,,,a specific geographic area is cited as having strange phenomanon.
It's hinted that this place is not alone,,,in so much that strange cryptozological creatures, UFO's, Poltergiests and strange glowing orbs frequent such places.
.
It's hinted that certain areas of the physical earth are hot spots for portals into other worlds.
These portals are accessed by,,,strange beings.
West Virginia is supposdly one such place a hot spot for UFO's and cyptids such as Mothman.
Sedonna Arizona is another.
The Superstition Mountains of Arizona.
The San Luis Valley of Coloroado.
Dulce New Mexico.
.
.
My point is,,what you saw sounds very much like a cryptid that was described in "hunt for the skinwalker", it also sounds like Mothman from West Virginia.


Yes, this area is a location for more than one 'Big Foot' sighting. There is actually a quite active group, the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy (http://www.texasbigfoot.org/) I and my local friends with a metaphysical bent are certain there is a portal nearby.
Any of you who can share tips on methods for finding these, I'd sure appreciate receiving them. There is an app you can add to Google Earth that show ley lines, but the nearest ley line crossing is miles from where this sighting was. I dreamed about a portal not long after moving here, so I feel certain there is one

google earth, www.vortexmaps kmz overlay, and the magnetic anomaly world map kmz overlay, and mineral deposits overlay, and rock types, etc, all those kinds of overlays for google earth. Then it begins to take shape.

http://models.geomag.us/wdmam.html

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

and the rest, if you can find them. The rest tend to be closely held as the information is worth $trillions in mineral rights, in the hands of someone who understands what they are looking at, and how to use it.

There are two magnetic map overlays. One done via planes and any other method possible. The latest, the best, is a kmz file for google earth done by the geo satellite pair. THAT one is amazing in the detail it shows. I will try and find it again. It is very new. There is also a gravity overlay, IIRC?

If you add these all up as kmz files for google earth, as overlays ...and adjust the layer densities, etc, you can see some interesting patterns emerge. Interpretation will be key.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21828-What-IS-this-creature-we-saw-!&p=234521#post234521 This is a cross post thread linking.

[RedeZra]

The human body and mind were designed to live in the moment of now but to predict the future based on history. Thus we project our preconceived notions into the future.

Thus the need to drive us through our fears.

I see some bits of the preconceived notions breaking though right here and projecting a future for these two people. I see a discussion disabled in it's basis...by one projecting upon the other. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less.

We are all guilty of this, myself included. All it takes is the right trigger for the given mind and situation.

I see people living in a practical reality called earth trying to figure things out by looking at earth events experience history tradition testimony

then I see onlookers peeking in from a mental realm not so grounded and kinda fleeting with the wind wherever it blows

where does the wind blow ? I don't know ; )

[ktlight]

The human body and mind were designed to live in the moment of now but to predict the future based on history. Thus we project our preconceived notions into the future.

Thus the need to drive us through our fears.

I see some bits of the preconceived notions breaking though right here and projecting a future for these two people. I see a discussion disabled in it's basis...by one projecting upon the other. Nothing more, but certainly nothing less.

We are all guilty of this, myself included. All it takes is the right trigger for the given mind and situation.

I see people living in a practical reality called earth trying to figure things out by looking at earth events experience history tradition testimony

then I see onlookers peeking in from a mental realm not so grounded and kinda fleeting with the wind wherever it blows

where does the wind blow ? I don't know ; )

Redezra, have you not been quoting the past (according to your understanding) throughout this thread? As I said, life is like a mirror and what you state is a reflection of you.

[RedeZra]

Redezra, have you not been quoting the past (according to your understanding) throughout this thread? As I said, life is like a mirror and what you state is a reflection of you.

to understand the things going on today then we must look at the past ; )

[sunnyrap]

*****
About a year ago, I was returning home from visiting friends rather late one night. We live about 7 miles apart off the same long, densely wooded country road. I was about half way to the family farm when, to the right of the car my attention was drawn to movement up ahead in the trees. Just as my car passed the trees, I saw a much larger than man-sized 'black shadow' (I described it to my friend on the cell phone a little later as being kind of like the movie, Predator, but more like an inky black shadow you couldn't see through) jumped down from the trees
next to the road just as I passed it. I stomped on the accelerator because I got that 'someone staring at the back of my neck' shiver fright-tingles.
The feeling stayed with me for a while then faded when I turned into our drive.


Maybe something, may be nothing, but that passage brought up that memory and shivery feeling immediately....


Have you ever read or heard of the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by George Knapp and Colm Kelleher? A most excellent book,,,one of the best, a true paradigm changer.

In the book,,,,,a specific geographic area is cited as having strange phenomanon.
It's hinted that this place is not alone,,,in so much that strange cryptozological creatures, UFO's, Poltergiests and strange glowing orbs frequent such places.
.
It's hinted that certain areas of the physical earth are hot spots for portals into other worlds.
These portals are accessed by,,,strange beings.
West Virginia is supposdly one such place a hot spot for UFO's and cyptids such as Mothman.
Sedonna Arizona is another.
The Superstition Mountains of Arizona.
The San Luis Valley of Coloroado.
Dulce New Mexico.
.
.
My point is,,what you saw sounds very much like a cryptid that was described in "hunt for the skinwalker", it also sounds like Mothman from West Virginia.


Yes, this area is a location for more than one 'Big Foot' sighting. There is actually a quite active group, the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy (http://www.texasbigfoot.org/) I and my local friends with a metaphysical bent are certain there is a portal nearby.
Any of you who can share tips on methods for finding these, I'd sure appreciate receiving them. There is an app you can add to Google Earth that show ley lines, but the nearest ley line crossing is miles from where this sighting was. I dreamed about a portal not long after moving here, so I feel certain there is one

google earth, www.vortexmaps kmz overlay, and the magnetic anomaly world map kmz overlay, and mineral deposits overlay, and rock types, etc, all those kinds of overlays for google earth. Then it begins to take shape.

http://models.geomag.us/wdmam.html

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

and the rest, if you can find them. The rest tend to be closely held as the information is worth $trillions in mineral rights, in the hands of someone who understands what they are looking at, and how to use it.

There are two magnetic map overlays. One done via planes and any other method possible. The latest, the best, is a kmz file for google earth done by the geo satellite pair. THAT one is amazing in the detail it shows. I will try and find it again. It is very new. There is also a gravity overlay, IIRC?

If you add these all up as kmz files for google earth, as overlays ...and adjust the layer densities, etc, you can see some interesting patterns emerge. Interpretation will be key.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21828-What-IS-this-creature-we-saw-!&p=234521#post234521 This is a cross post thread linking.

Don't need a map to know this whole area is heavily magnetic because of dense iron ore deposits. The earth is very red here because of that (and most crops difficult to grow). Probably there is some information to be derived from overlaying maps as you suggest, but before I did that, I went in search of information from other's research about geographic vortices (there were hundreds of thousands about vortices in general, including heavily scientific white papers from Los Alamos Labs--way over my head); but anyway, I found this useful site on characteristics of vortices: http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/nov2/vortex.htm and this interesting physical description of a portal, here: http://roswell.fortunecity.com/aroma/248/earthstimeandspaceportals.html
Earth's Time and Space Portals

by Antonio M McCoy

The biggest secret that the Earth possess is it's " Twelve Portals", but history tells us that they are not secrets at all, they are well known and documented. Many call these strange areas the;
"Devils Triangles" or the "Devils Graveyards", the most famous of these is the; "Bermuda Triangle".
These areas are actually time, space, and dimensional portals, they are part of a " Universal Transportation System". The system extends from; Planet-to-Planet, Solar System-to-Solar System, Galaxy-to-Galaxy, and Universe-to-Universe. If a planet can rotate and resonate, it has the capability to produce magnetism and gravity, the electromagnetic process/es create these areas of distortion (kind of like "Transverse Waves"), i call portals. A portal activates when it's connecting "Lines of Electromagnetic Force "(Ley Lines) activate, this occurs every twelve and twenty four hours. Extraterrestrials know this and they follow the lines to the portals, during the activation's, many U.F.O. sightings are around these lines. Once at the portal/s they guide the/their craft into it/them, sometimes this would appear to be flying into the earth. I believe that this is the explanation for the "Hollow-Earth-Theory". When a portal activates a vortex, cloud, or haze will appear, this is the portal entrance. People have reported these types of occurrences in the portal areas since the dawn of mankind on this earth. Scientist have tried to map the vortexes, clouds, and hazes with no success, because the portal areas are about 1,500 to 700 miles and the vortexes, clouds, and hazes appears randomly within these areas. The Bermuda Triangle is the one that is well known because of the traffic within it's area. The Japanese has documented their portal disappearances as well, sometimes placing the area off limits to traffic. In the Attachments i have provided a map of these portal areas around the world. Today governments waste time, resources, and money on space craft, listening devices, and telescopes. They are looking out into space for the answers, when the answers are right at their feet. Or that is what they want us to believe.

Not surprisingly, NASA is interested too, with their own input on the topic: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

[ktlight]

Redezra, have you not been quoting the past (according to your understanding) throughout this thread? As I said, life is like a mirror and what you state is a reflection of you.

to understand the things going on today then we must look at the past ; )

Have you examined the nature of thought? How it needs to be top dog and therefore resists/rejects anything contrary to what it wants you to believe? And that, once you have tamed it or even deceived it, you can finally begin to see?

[RedeZra]

Have you examined the nature of thought? How it needs to be top dog and therefore resists/rejects anything contrary to what it wants you to believe? And that, once you have tamed it or even deceived it, you can finally begin to see?

I feel what you write above pertains more to you than to me ; )


stop the babble and connect these 2 facts


* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

* legends text artifacts and bones of Giants

[ktlight]

Have you examined the nature of thought? How it needs to be top dog and therefore resists/rejects anything contrary to what it wants you to believe? And that, once you have tamed it or even deceived it, you can finally begin to see?

I feel what you write above pertains more to you than to me ; )


stop the babble and connect these 2 facts


* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

* legends text artifacts and bones of Giants

It pertains to each and every one of us.

With respect, I do not babble.

I ask you to make clear what you are talking about. How does any of this relate to demons, please?

[king anthony]

that my friend is faith

I say, faith, belief, opinion are luxuries, by chance or design, the many have - for the few of the some, this luxury is not.

[Teakai]

Just watched the trailer for the new WB movie release, Green Lantern. Interestingly,
the 'good guys' appear to be aliens who look like the traditional pointy-eared, red devils of our tradition, who to refer to themselves as 'lanterns' (thus, 'Green Lantern). I'm thinking to myself, hmmm....'Satan, the lightbearer' or 'lightbringer'....Now whataya suppose is up with that? As the 'illumined ones' aver that Satan is actually 'the good guy', would this be some major NLP?

Erased old reply as it was pretty garbled :)

[Lord Sidious]

I rely on experience and evidence

why do you assume I rely on faith ?



"Because you said so." said Sid

no I rely on evidence and experience


take for instance the two supressed facts

about Giants and that alien abduction can be stopped in the Name of Jesus

these are facts

just look into it


explain it to me

So you want me to explain your facts to you?
No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.

very well then you are the one with faith ; )

I will bite.
How do you figure that?

you have made up your mind about the nonexistence of demons

so much so that you don't even want to look into it

that my friend is faith

This is why no one can debate you on your religion, you just change the meanings around to suit you.
You think maybe I was in your shoes once, but I grew out of it?
What you say is the same as someone who doesn't believe in santa claus, the fact that they don't believe doesn't mean they have faith, it means those who do believe have it.

[RedeZra]

This is why no one can debate you on your religion, you just change the meanings around to suit you.
You think maybe I was in your shoes once, but I grew out of it?
What you say is the same as someone who doesn't believe in santa claus, the fact that they don't believe doesn't mean they have faith, it means those who do believe have it.

fine Sid you win

there is no santa claus and therefore no demons

ty for proving me wrong ; )

[RedeZra]

It pertains to each and every one of us.

With respect, I do not babble.

I ask you to make clear what you are talking about. How does any of this relate to demons, please?

then I apologise as I thought you were out to trap me ; )

[Teakai]

No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.


Do you think there are other energies in existence beside the physical, M'lord?

Perhaps demons are biblical terms for lower entities and angels are the terms for higher entities?

[Teakai]

Statues of 6 toed giants in Egypt:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvdAUVPIRLI&feature=uploademail
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvdAUVPIRLI&feature=uploademail

[Lord Sidious]

No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.


Do you think there are other energies in existence beside the physical, M'lord?

Perhaps demons are biblical terms for lower entities and angels are the terms for higher entities?

I have no doubt that there are other forms of life out there, but I don't need a book full of holes to help me consider that possibility.

[Teakai]

I feel what you write above pertains more to you than to me ; )


stop the babble and connect these 2 facts


* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

* legends text artifacts and bones of Giants

Redezra - you said ET's didn't exist. Are aliens different to ET's?

Or - are you saying people are thinking these things are aliens (ET's) but they're really demons and that's why they're being frightened off by the name of Jesus?

If it's the latter - where does this information come from?

[RedeZra]

Redezra - you said ET's didn't exist. Are aliens different to ET's?

Or - are you saying people are thinking these things are aliens (ET's) but they're really demons and that's why they're being frightened off by the name of Jesus?

If it's the latter - where does this information come from?

there is something alien out there that abducts people

if these aliens that abduct come from another planet then how come so many abductions can be stopped in the the Name of Jesus ?


Joe Jordan started as a MUFON investigator and has over 15 years of experience in researching the UFO phenomenon

watch his presentation 'Unholy Communion' in youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8oORHZbkc&feature=BFa&list=PLC74E217554EFDFC3&index=2)or vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5902168)

check out his website alienresistance (http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm)with much info and many testimonies from people that have stopped abductions in their tracks

there seems to be a simple solution to the alien abduction phenomenon




Unholy Communion - part 1/8

8g8oORHZbkc

[Artemesia]

One of my favorite lines from Don Juan that comes soon after the passage quoted above is, "We live in a predatory universe, so be it".

Once you accept the realization of the predatory state, and work on the discipline and re-cultivation of one's glowing coat of awareness, there is now A NEXT STEP available at this point in the human story which I don't beleive was open yet in Castaneda and Matus' time.

As those with the glowing coat of awareness become more numerous, a new path becomes seeded by our own rekindled access to multidimensionality. As the predator's mind flees, we are left to our own devices, but we aren't without any at this point. THE ABILITIES ARE RETURNING. I mean look at Inelia. Want proof? Ta da.

So this means that even as we work on these two prior steps, discipline and restoring the glowing coat of awareness, we must also work on:

envisioning a state of being/world/dimension where the predator has been met, acknowledged, honored for its presence, and CLEARED from being a necessary presence to accelerate our own evolution, for we will have accelerated and acheived our true potential.

When we do this, the predator has no place, is not a necessity, loses function and also form, for its energy source is transformed and no longer accesible.

Exciting times, and I am so grateful to Castaneda and Matus for helping us 'get here'. I feel they would be thrilled the awareness of this next step, and the challenge of acheiving it.

[Teakai]

Redezra - you said ET's didn't exist. Are aliens different to ET's?

Or - are you saying people are thinking these things are aliens (ET's) but they're really demons and that's why they're being frightened off by the name of Jesus?

If it's the latter - where does this information come from?

there is something alien out there that abducts people

if these aliens that abduct come from another planet then how come so many abductions can be stopped in the the Name of Jesus ?


Joe Jordan started as a MUFON investigator and has over 15 years of experience in researching the UFO phenomenon

watch his presentation 'Unholy Communion' in youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8oORHZbkc&feature=BFa&list=PLC74E217554EFDFC3&index=2)or vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5902168)

check out his website alienresistance (http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm)with much info and many testimonies from people that have stopped abductions in their tracks

there seems to be a simple solution to the alien abduction phenomenon




Unholy Communion - part 1/8

8g8oORHZbkc

Will take a look at the video shortly.

I've read that the military have been abducting people and faking that they're ET's.

Also - aren't demons spiritual? How would they abduct a physical person as in alien abductions?

[RedeZra]

I've read that the military have been abducting people and faking that they're ET's.

Also - aren't demons spiritual? How would they abduct a physical person as in alien abductions?

Good question Teakai ; )

are the abductions physical mental or a bit of both ?


the aliens seem to be able to transmit thoughts into the consciousness of the abductees and so present a virtual reality which isn't really real but the abductees are not able to tell the difference

much like a lucid dream or a hypnotic session


there seems to be a collaboration between the black branch of the millitary and these aliens

perhaps the aliens induce a virtual reality in the consciousness of the abductees while the black ops come in and do the physical work like implants etc

[Teakai]

there is something alien out there that abducts people

if these aliens that abduct come from another planet then how come so many abductions can be stopped in the the Name of Jesus ?


Joe Jordan started as a MUFON investigator and has over 15 years of experience in researching the UFO phenomenon

watch his presentation 'Unholy Communion' in youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g8oORHZbkc&feature=BFa&list=PLC74E217554EFDFC3&index=2)or vimeo (http://vimeo.com/5902168)

check out his website alienresistance (http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm)with much info and many testimonies from people that have stopped abductions in their tracks

there seems to be a simple solution to the alien abduction phenomenon




Unholy Communion - part 1/8

8g8oORHZbkc

Interesting videos - I watched all 8 of them.

I wonder if people of other religions called out to help them the effect would be the same. Perhaps the effectiveness is in the appealing to a higher entity.

With the US military being as it is - I also wonder if these abductions are predominantly taking place within the US.

[Teakai]

The energies we normally don't perceive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcEDYbjafbE
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcEDYbjafbE

I think seeing something like this inspires one to keep their own energies at optimum levels.

[RedeZra]

I wonder if people of other religions called out to help them the effect would be the same. Perhaps the effectiveness is in the appealing to a higher entity.

With the US military being as it is - I also wonder if these abductions are predominantly taking place within the US.

there is power in a valid Name of Divinity

and so Allah Buddha Krishna etc might do the trick too ; )


Divinity is real and so it is never wrong for a human being to call on a Divine being for help

the saints don't even need to ask ; )


as they say 'there are no atheists in foxholes'

[scifiscriptwriter]

Thanks for this - recently read C's books. Real eye opener - have graduated to Mouravieff's Gnosis trilogy and Gurdjieff's work - it really makes sense of what's been going on on this planet for thousands of years ... question is - what to do about it?

[seko]

When Juan Matus talks about discipline, is to be paying attention every time, everyday of your life to everything that you do, so that you don't let your EGO win over you or these predators.

You can have many examples of that like: how pretty you look in the mirror, what a nice car you are driving, how much money you made so far and your big house that is filled with expensive toys and you feel proud about it and when someone comes and takes it away from you, anger comes out and problems start to appear.

Only when you let go of all these things is when you understand what we are doing here and you realize all the potential that you have as a living being. No strings attached to materialism, family or friends.
This is a personal journey, it's a personal experience. You need to know thyself in all ways. Know happiness, anger, sadness etc etc.. after you understand this feelings as they are, then you know what it is of use to you in the best way to continue your journey.

Step by step you'll get there. Castaneda said, don't believe what I write, my experiences are mine and not yours. Live your own life.

[king anthony]

...if these aliens that abduct come from another planet then how come so many abductions can be stopped in the the Name of Jesus...

I say, "words" of comfort only aid in thought - for what is said here perpetuates deception.

[RedeZra]

...if these aliens that abduct come from another planet then how come so many abductions can be stopped in the the Name of Jesus...

I say, "words" of comfort only aid in thought - for what is said here perpetuates deception.

the bottom line here is that so many people are able to stop the alien abduction in the Name of Jesus

if it doesn't work for you then perhaps you need to pray and fast too

there are degrees of demons and some are more powerful than others


if you don't like the medicine then hold your breath and swallow ; )

[king anthony]

the bottom line here is that so many people are able to stop the alien abduction in the Name of Jesus

I say, if you have comfort with that, which you have, then go in peace; however, be not like those who have given these things to you, for you are no better and your deeds will be rewarded by that which you obtained and give.

[RedeZra]

the bottom line here is that so many people are able to stop the alien abduction in the Name of Jesus

I say, if you have comfort with that, which you have, then go in peace; however, be not like those who have given these things to you, for you are no better and your deeds will be rewarded by that which you obtained and give.


this is not about me but letting people know that there is a solution to the problem of alien abduction

empathy tells me that I'm happy that people are able to stop their night terrors in the Name of Jesus Christ

[king anthony]

this is not about me but letting people know that there is a solution to the problem of alien abduction
empathy tells me that I'm happy that people are able to stop their night terrors in the Name of Jesus Christ

I say again, go in peace and be well with those things you have as faith, for your words do not aid and do nothing more then perpetuate why things are as they are - those who find comfort with such beliefs, faiths, opinions and theories will not let go of them - for conditioning prevails.

[9eagle9]

Jesus is nice and everything but I found educating myself and depending on myself to be far more effective. Jesus stated as much that nothing external of you was as powerful as that which is of you.

Between me and Jesus I trust myself more and I think Jesus would approve.

God helps those who help themselves, and suppose Jesus is around for those who are unable to.

[RedeZra]

Jesus is nice and everything but I found educating myself and depending on myself to be far more effective. Jesus stated as much that nothing external of you was as powerful as that which is of you.

Between me and Jesus I trust myself more and I think Jesus would approve.

God helps those who help themselves, and suppose Jesus is around for those who are unable to.

but the Christ is not external

it is the Infinite intelligence within


every enlightened being can tell you that they literally identify themselves as the Consciousness or Spirit within everything


see past the forms ; )

[RedeZra]

I say again, go in peace and be well with those things you have as faith, for your words do not aid and do nothing more then perpetuate why things are as they are - those who find comfort with such beliefs, faiths, opinions and theories will not let go of them - for conditioning prevails.

I have the power to formulate truths

Go in peace as well ; )

[king anthony]

I have the power to formulate truths

Go in peace as well ; )

I say, you do not even know your own words let alone that which is flesh and blood; for the origins of humanity and that, which followed, is with the knowledge of the ancients.

I speak not that of whim, rather, that which has been made known to me since I was a child and that which I have obtained.

For the time of the next harvest is to be again; and those of like mind, with "faith", shall be given that which they seek. Mark my words, the woe of these shall be and silent in the "great abyss".

For the time of harvest, the creator species, known as "god(s)" shall take for their purpose; some of "those others" shall do same - and when all have their "fill", most will be made to no longer be; with only plenty for the cycle to be again, before the "great forgetting".

I say, words of aid make humanity speak as one voice to be heard by all - for then, this history shall not repeat and humanity will have, for the first time, freedom to be for themselves.

Three times, I have wished you well and you persist to be heard; I say, the deeds you do, will reflect that which will be for you, by your own doing. I now remain silent here.

[RedeZra]

Three times, I have wished you well and you persist to be heard; I say, the deeds you do, will reflect that which will be for you, by your own doing. I now remain silent here.

I wished you well as well

why do you have problem with that ?


if you want to have the last word then just say so

and I'll give it to you ; )

[Cigan Mojia]

In regards to Carlos...

The luminous coating he describes in infants is reactivated, repaired, and brought forward by a plant the Mexicans shaman's use called salvia divinorium. Shaman's Sage, or Shaman's weed. Upon smoking it, the coat becomes apparent...to anyone . This plant purifies and helps to bolster that coating. I, personally , use it for the abatement of chronic depression in people because that is how the reduction of luminious coating is expressed= in depression of some sorts, the kind that no chemical treatment will abate.

However with that statement, one enters into a moral argument with the uneducated about the use of 'drug's to assist in the reconstruction of one's luminous coating (or body). That is opinion and has nothing to do with the plant. That too is conditioning, this moral judgement about using spirit plant helpers.... so ... these are the many battles that the folks like Carlos have encountered. No from reptilian influence directly but by those influenced by their form of conditioning.

But those who educate themselves, the plant isnt a drug, one needn't get high from it to benefit from it, but 'they' conditioned us with the falllacy that 'drug's' are bad when this plant is actually, among others, their worst enemy.

9Eagle9,

I appreciate your pointing out the obvious misconceptions about salvia divinorum and applaud your openness in recognition of its holistic aide.

However a Caveat would be well to be made… I would caution and remind all that these shamanic herbs, like crystals and libations used to tune into one’s natural frequencies, would be well to be administered lovingly and in controlled environments.

Recognizing as well that these windows may not reflect what people wish to see or know.

Please do make sure, upon taking such journeys, or making the decision to do so, one knows to what they have agreed.

This is not an area in which to dabble.

I would urge strongly that people who commit to the awaking of their own hearts and minds realize the commitment being made, it is a promise not easily rescinded.

Nor should the agreement be taken lightly.

One of my favorite teachers, Michael Tsarion, gets so incensed about this I can almost hear the Irish brogue, don’t just believe these things because a teacher, guru, or book has told you, do your own homework! :biggrin:


Viral Spiral Post #136

“The self-confidence of the warrior is not the self-confidence of the average man. The average man seeks certainty in the eyes of the onlooker and calls that self-confidence. The warrior seeks impeccability in his own eyes and calls that humbleness. The average man is hooked to his fellow men, while the warrior is hooked only to infinity.”

Carlos Castaneda

¤=[Post Update]=¤

On another subtopic to this thread, the idea of Earth’s ability to nurture the population that grows as ours does, seems hardly a worry if you agree with the information shared here:

http://www.expanding-earth.org/

(Pretty self-explanatory website)

[OnyxKnight]

* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

Sadly, it doesn't work for all religious people.

Seems ETs are very biased huh? :)

[MariaDine]

* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

Sadly, it doesn't work for all religious people.

Seems ETs are very biased huh? :)


LOL...Exactly...they come back when Jesus isn't looking !

[MariaDine]

No thanks, I don't believe in demons and all the other biblical stuff.


Do you think there are other energies in existence beside the physical, M'lord?

Perhaps demons are biblical terms for lower entities and angels are the terms for higher entities?

I have no doubt that there are other forms of life out there, but I don't need a book full of holes to help me consider that possibility.


Oh...I so whished they didn't exist.................those .........«things».....

[RedeZra]

* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

Sadly, it doesn't work for all religious people.

Seems ETs are very biased huh? :)


LOL...Exactly...they come back when Jesus isn't looking !

Oh so it's not 100% foolproof... perhaps 90% then or 80%

lol sorry if it don't work out for you guys

try to pray and fast too ; )

could be a strongman

[Cigan Mojia]

There is a series titled "Vampire Earth" by author E. E. Knight, it begins in a time after portals have been opened to beings which feed on the human race, newborns are especially tasty in much the same way the energy has been described here in earlier posts, the... what I like to call "bubble" of one's energy enveloping each of us... like the auric energy field, the emanations etc.

Fear puts off a different flavor.

The first of the series is "Way of the Wolf" I was actually surprised to find so many similarities between the concept we are discussing here and the storyline of Vampire Earth.

[edina]

I wanted to post this talk by Neil Kramer, because it offers solutions about this Shadow phenomenon.

jhErdDT3odA

This is the first part of seven parts, the shadow section and soulutions are in parts 6 and 7.

This guys information seems to really shed some light on this topic in away that is positive and encouraging.

[9eagle9]

When Jesus fails and things seldom ever escalate to that extent if one knows what they are doing, Step B would then be invoking 'the grace that as been accepted by me"

Which is SOP Step A in the excorcist manual.

Knowing what you are dealing with is a form of grace. YOu reduce it down to its proper perspective, the wrong energy at the wrong place at the wrong time. You aren't wasting time and energy on something that isn't even real to begin with most times. Once it knows you know that...the power thats been invested in it...goes by by. I 've never observed a religious person give a stylish or effective extraction their scairt ****less and feeding that energy rather than abating it. Punch the play ground bully in the nose , not stand around and negotiate about it....It's supposed to be FUN. You get to be the good guy for awhile.

If you watch the movie the excorcist that was just low class, no style, no grace, vomit, levitating, screaming, ...no excorcist would ever allow something like that to go on for that long. Media (snort)

How pukitudinous.

There's your basic extraction that no one should notice at all right on up to a ritual extraction that is quite moving and beautiful and even those who aren't affected want one... Or light a cigarette and blow smoke over it..so simple so elegant...well it was before smoking got such a bad rap . I wonder if that's why the campaign against smoking, it helps to keep the ghoooooolies away....







* alien abduction stopped in the Name of Jesus

Sadly, it doesn't work for all religious people.

Seems ETs are very biased huh? :)


LOL...Exactly...they come back when Jesus isn't looking !

Oh so it's not 100% foolproof... perhaps 90% then or 80%

lol sorry if it don't work out for you guys

try to pray and fast too ; )

could be a strongman