I think that animals in general communicate with body intelligence

[nomadguy]

I was asked to make this anew thread, in response to the Body Intelligence thread.

Feel free to comment. :couch2:

[TWINCANS]

I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.

[Carmen]

Natural horsemanship and horse whispering work with the non-verbal language of the horse. Once you understand the language it is very clear and understandable. Wild horses live in a matriachal society with the dominant mares running the herd. There is nothing better to teach young horses, especially young males, than to put them in a paddock with a few 'aunties'. Manners are taught very quickly.

When working a horse in a round pen for instance, several signs are indicative of the horse understanding and accepting leadership from the human leader. One is they lock an ear on to you, they will drop their head and chew their lips. That means, 'okay Im listening and understanding"! Its a building of trust and partnership using the horses own language.

[ViralSpiral]

There are things beyond our current comprehension, and reasons why the "ancients" revered certain animals. We have just forgotten....


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[Carmen]

Thank you VS, loved that video!! That was just gorgeous.

[InTheBackground]

They also speak in pure emotion...

[9eagle9]

Happy happy I found a horse-kin on the forum. I wanted to make a post to see if there were but I was afraid I'd turn the place into Project Arabian. Its very hard for me not to insert something about a horse into every post...lol.

I've learned more about my own spirit from horses than any human teacher could tell. Having severe trust issues my entire life, it wasn't a human that was able to break down those walls but horses. And people say horses are unpredictable ...they aren't. They can be counted on to behave like horses 120 percent of the time. Humans can't.





Natural horsemanship and horse whispering work with the non-verbal language of the horse. Once you understand the language it is very clear and understandable. Wild horses live in a matriachal society with the dominant mares running the herd. There is nothing better to teach young horses, especially young males, than to put them in a paddock with a few 'aunties'. Manners are taught very quickly.

When working a horse in a round pen for instance, several signs are indicative of the horse understanding and accepting leadership from the human leader. One is they lock an ear on to you, they will drop their head and chew their lips. That means, 'okay Im listening and understanding"! Its a building of trust and partnership using the horses own language.

[ulli]

I still like cats best. I will slave for them.

[loveandgratitude]

It is amazing how animals communicate to each other.

http://www.myfunnyanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/horse-run.jpg

[loveandgratitude]

BEST FRIENDS

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-cat-fixes-your-long-face.jpg

[Carmen]

You are absolutely correct 9eagle9. Horses are totally predictable. They also mirror their owners very well. Oh, and the Arab connection. Many of my horses are Arab. They are soo bright!!

My biggest thrill last year was starting/breaking in my little Arab. (from a video)!!! At aged 61. A cowboy had told me I wasnt capable of breaking in my own horse!! Talk about challenged. He gave me the fire in my belly to do it. It was one of the greatest thrills of my life, riding that little horse for the first time. And it was all about communication and trust.

[9eagle9]

Yeah......consciousness is shifted out of the way and higher expression is allowed to flow through . I realized that that each time I had accidentally called an animal it was because I was not doing so in a unfocused unconscious way. I used to joke that if you wanted to call any animal to you, just sit out in the woods with a good absorbing book your focus gets lost in and you'd have a flock of critters all around you.

Consciousness composes a great deal of body intelligence. Its not all just past lives or other lives, there's things in our subconscious embedded there. And an animal may find it offputing.

I've had people tell me their frustration of attempting to call animals by projecting "love" at them. Well human love can often project itself as need or hunger , to the animals point of view.If one doesn't have a clear concept of what love is (not need or hunger) this way will fail. A cat will show you that. You focus your attention on them and they snarkily walk away. Now that my attention is on this post I have three cats attempting to climb onto the lap tap. ...lol

Body intelligence is created too. When one first begins riding a horse, they are unsteady, unstable and you feel as if its artificial. The horses shies, starts, bolts, trips,bucks, swerves--one loses their balance. After experiencing a shy , start, bolt, buck and swerve several times one stops falling off. And even losing their balance at all. The middle ear which is responsibility for balance records every movement, eventually it records enough information to send to the body to make the minute and instantaneous adjustments required to maintain balance through anything no matter how anti gravity or seemingly impossible. One learns what it feels like just before a horse refuses a jump, makes a split second adjustment, and remains seated even though realistically one should have went flying over their ears. You're body memory has made the appropriate adjustment just prior to the incident, this all occurs in a seemingly impossible millisecond amount of time. Eventually everything becomes automatic, liked breathing, wired right into seemingly the automatic nervous system.

. In point-nothing seconds you've automatically made the minute muscular adjustments to keep from being tossed off. . Learning to ride is all inner ear. Developing a seat helps with balance but its really just a way of positioning yourself so you aren't imposing resistance on balance. That too is body memory. Some people come into this life with natural physical abilities that usually require practice. That too is body memory.



I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.

[Donna O]

It is amazing how animals communicate to each other.

http://www.myfunnyanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/horse-run.jpg

The shock and fear on that dog's face is palpable!

What a great thread!!

:hug:

[9eagle9]

That is awesome Carmen. Good for you! I have learned over the years that most of the 'horse experts' are full of own ****-ego and they impose brute force instead of a connection. They have such impatient attitudes. You ever notice when a horse gets uncertain about something the experts take it personally? Like it has something to do with them, and not the horse.

And Watching them demand over and over and having a horse patiently refuse until ASKED gave me the biggest light bulb on moment of my life. Who was being taught here? Who wasn't getting it.

I too decided in this next chapter of my horse life I'm going to trust my intuition concerning things and the experts can take a jump. All the trouble I've ever experienced in the past was because of 'expert' advice.

I have ridden mostly on the big hunter types in my adult life but have always loved Arabs this is my first experience with interacting with one . Everyone (the experts...lol) said I wouldn't like them after riding hunter types but he's a lot more well rounded so he's teaching me a lot. All heat and fire and go. He never misbehaves but its like sitting on top of engine and all that vertical motion....yeeee . his energetic output when standing still is enormous ...lol. But you could put a baby on him, he knows who can keep up with all that energy and who can't.



You are absolutely correct 9eagle9. Horses are totally predictable. They also mirror their owners very well. Oh, and the Arab connection. Many of my horses are Arab. They are soo bright!!

My biggest thrill last year was starting/breaking in my little Arab. (from a video)!!! At aged 61. A cowboy had told me I wasnt capable of breaking in my own horse!! Talk about challenged. He gave me the fire in my belly to do it. It was one of the greatest thrills of my life, riding that little horse for the first time. And it was all about communication and trust.

[Sierra]

I still like cats best. I will slave for them.

I always wanted to get a horse for my cat lol. I would have loved to watch them interact. I had a Palomino Morgan/Thoroughbred (big boy!) at one time, but not when I had McKnao. I would ride him through apricot orchards picking and de-seeding apricots for him and he would be dancing in joy. He LOVED apricots! Next time around we'll get the timing down so we can hang together ;).

I had a real friendship once with an Appaloosa and he was clever like a cat! Loved to play.

[Peace of Mind]

All animals can and will commune with you, in many ways...if you allow them to.

http://youtu.be/He7Ge7Sogrk


Peace

[ViralSpiral]

I always wanted to get a horse for my cat lol.

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The world is a better place because of the way you communicate with us animals ;)

Just noticed your status! Congrats, but above all else: GOOD LUCK

[Syl]

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[ViralSpiral]

Hi Syl.

One needs to delete the blurb before (and including) the v= in the index, so just from Dgj.... into the YouTube application

Here's another awwwww moment

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[ulli]

I still like cats best. I will slave for them.

I always wanted to get a horse for my cat lol. I would have loved to watch them interact. I had a Palomino Morgan/Thoroughbred (big boy!) at one time, but not when I had McKnao. I would ride him through apricot orchards picking and de-seeding apricots for him and he would be dancing in joy. He LOVED apricots! Next time around we'll get the timing down so we can hang together ;).

I had a real friendship once with an Appaloosa and he was clever like a cat! Loved to play.

Here is a photo of me introducing our cat Choochoo to our Appaloosa Spot.
I can confirm your statement, they became quite fascinated with one another.
Choochoo was always prowling around the pasture.


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[Some Bloke]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tYeyChFB0


Musics a bit cheesey

[Sierra]

I always wanted to get a horse for my cat lol.

http://rationalia.com/z/bwaha.gif

The world is a better place because of the way you communicate with us animals ;)

Just noticed your status! Congrats, but above all else: GOOD LUCK

Thank you ViralSpiral! It is being exciting, funny, fascinating, hard work and well worth it! (I LOVE Avalon, I'm retired and ooh look I can be useful!)

[Sierra]

Here is a photo of me introducing our cat Choochoo to our Appaloosa Spot.
I can confirm your statement, they became quite fascinated with one another.
Choochoo was always prowling around the pasture.


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=7700&thumb=1&d=1306163856

Ulli, what a WONDERFUL picture of you! Appaloosa named Spot? (LOL, I Love it! Does he go, "Woof, Woof" sometimes just to tease you and ChooChoo?) (What a nice life you have created for yourself :rockon::clap2: ) It looks like Spot lives in Costa Rica rather than Bermuda?

Sierra :hippie:

[ulli]

[QUOTE=ulli;226224]
(What a nice life you have created for yourself :rockon::clap2: ) It looks like Spot lives in Costa Rica rather than Bermuda?

Sierra :hippie:

You mean Barbados, not Bermuda.
My animal life is in Costa Rica where I live in a mountain valley next to a river, surrounded by coffee fields.
Barbados is just a lock-up apartment, where I go to be near my son's family and grandchildren and old friends.

[MariaDine]

My Power animal , more or less ...LOL - http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_471/1264122136AI5r3z.jpg

After seeing him, a few months ago, on a reiki healing therapy, I went «digging» for what it meant... and I found this...
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/bce_500back/indusvalley/unicorn/unicorn.html

Namasté

[9eagle9]

An animal I hadn't had much experience with lately although I know some people keep some varieties as pets are...pigs.

They have such totally human expressions or seemingly so. Some of them got in the riding arena the other day and i was trying to herd them out . After I got tired of dodging after them I grabbed a lunging whip and started snapping it at them. I didn't hit them with it but oh my god the expression of screaming outrage it was like I was beating them to death...or having a fishwife screaming at you , literally screaming and all these noises like gargled expressions of indignation. Like they were so outraged they couldn't get their words out. They sounded like a human that was so put upon they couldn't quite express their indignation. They finally moved outside and continued protesting my imposition on their pig party for about ten minutes afterwards. "How dare she, and the nerve of that woman!"

Every morning i let my hens out and they all gather around me for a chat, just chirping and clucking away at their hen gossip. Then the big gray matriarch hen approaches me all dignified and begins to express this laundry list of complaints at me for several minutes, how she finds certain conditions of coop life completely unacceptable and that it is up to me to improve the standards there. She is quite the madam and presents herself as the spokes-hen for the rest of the flock. I feel like a maid being dressed down by the lady of the house.

[ulli]

Hi Syl.

One needs to delete the blurb before (and including) the v= in the index, so just from Dgj.... into the YouTube application

Here's another awwwww moment

Q9OfK1HfPWg

this is just great.

[TWINCANS]

Yeah......consciousness is shifted out of the way and higher expression is allowed to flow through . I realized that that each time I had accidentally called an animal it was because I was not doing so in a unfocused unconscious way. I used to joke that if you wanted to call any animal to you, just sit out in the woods with a good absorbing book your focus gets lost in and you'd have a flock of critters all around you.

Consciousness composes a great deal of body intelligence. Its not all just past lives or other lives, there's things in our subconscious embedded there. And an animal may find it offputing.

I've had people tell me their frustration of attempting to call animals by projecting "love" at them. Well human love can often project itself as need or hunger , to the animals point of view.If one doesn't have a clear concept of what love is (not need or hunger) this way will fail. A cat will show you that. You focus your attention on them and they snarkily walk away. Now that my attention is on this post I have three cats attempting to climb onto the lap tap. ...lol

Body intelligence is created too. When one first begins riding a horse, they are unsteady, unstable and you feel as if its artificial. The horses shies, starts, bolts, trips,bucks, swerves--one loses their balance. After experiencing a shy , start, bolt, buck and swerve several times one stops falling off. And even losing their balance at all. The middle ear which is responsibility for balance records every movement, eventually it records enough information to send to the body to make the minute and instantaneous adjustments required to maintain balance through anything no matter how anti gravity or seemingly impossible. One learns what it feels like just before a horse refuses a jump, makes a split second adjustment, and remains seated even though realistically one should have went flying over their ears. You're body memory has made the appropriate adjustment just prior to the incident, this all occurs in a seemingly impossible millisecond amount of time. Eventually everything becomes automatic, liked breathing, wired right into seemingly the automatic nervous system.

. In point-nothing seconds you've automatically made the minute muscular adjustments to keep from being tossed off. . Learning to ride is all inner ear. Developing a seat helps with balance but its really just a way of positioning yourself so you aren't imposing resistance on balance. That too is body memory. Some people come into this life with natural physical abilities that usually require practice. That too is body memory.



I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.



So you're voting for 'both'?

[nomadguy]

I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.

Ah yes, I will explain my point, what I am stating is that animals use the Body intelligence alone as their means of communication.
As to say, they use body language as a "language" in general.
They do not need to speak to others and/or create language to facilitate this ~as we do. In my experience most people miss the point with animal communication. Most of all with dogs. Dogs try so hard to communicate and most people simply see it as silly dog stuff. However they are very serious about it and other animals seem to "get it" right off. We are the only species I see that seems to miss out on the conversation. Getting in touch with our own Body Intelligence should help us better communicate with all animals. And maybe even plants. The subtle nature of those entities communications are heavily missed by us and it is in that we have missed a whole universe of possibility and maybe have even harmed mother nature by missing the Qs all around us.

[9eagle9]

No. Body memory isn't regarded as spiritual work. Its working to remove residual consciousness.

I tend to experience our purer expression beyond consciousness is what allows for animal communication because they have more of expressed purity of spirit and less of the sort of consciousness that humans experience.



Yeah......consciousness is shifted out of the way and higher expression is allowed to flow through . I realized that that each time I had accidentally called an animal it was because I was not doing so in a unfocused unconscious way. I used to joke that if you wanted to call any animal to you, just sit out in the woods with a good absorbing book your focus gets lost in and you'd have a flock of critters all around you.

Consciousness composes a great deal of body intelligence. Its not all just past lives or other lives, there's things in our subconscious embedded there. And an animal may find it offputing.

I've had people tell me their frustration of attempting to call animals by projecting "love" at them. Well human love can often project itself as need or hunger , to the animals point of view.If one doesn't have a clear concept of what love is (not need or hunger) this way will fail. A cat will show you that. You focus your attention on them and they snarkily walk away. Now that my attention is on this post I have three cats attempting to climb onto the lap tap. ...lol

Body intelligence is created too. When one first begins riding a horse, they are unsteady, unstable and you feel as if its artificial. The horses shies, starts, bolts, trips,bucks, swerves--one loses their balance. After experiencing a shy , start, bolt, buck and swerve several times one stops falling off. And even losing their balance at all. The middle ear which is responsibility for balance records every movement, eventually it records enough information to send to the body to make the minute and instantaneous adjustments required to maintain balance through anything no matter how anti gravity or seemingly impossible. One learns what it feels like just before a horse refuses a jump, makes a split second adjustment, and remains seated even though realistically one should have went flying over their ears. You're body memory has made the appropriate adjustment just prior to the incident, this all occurs in a seemingly impossible millisecond amount of time. Eventually everything becomes automatic, liked breathing, wired right into seemingly the automatic nervous system.

. In point-nothing seconds you've automatically made the minute muscular adjustments to keep from being tossed off. . Learning to ride is all inner ear. Developing a seat helps with balance but its really just a way of positioning yourself so you aren't imposing resistance on balance. That too is body memory. Some people come into this life with natural physical abilities that usually require practice. That too is body memory.



I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.



So you're voting for 'both'?

[9eagle9]

I should add that we have body memory that has a familairity to it in some instances that we identify and connect with animals in, more of a physical manifestation, than spiritual one .The spiritual one I find more dependent and consistent.

[Mostafa]

Everything alive is soul. We were once able to communicate with animals' and plants' souls. Pity we don't even feel it when a quake is coming now.
Thank you for the thread.

[TWINCANS]

I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.

Ah yes, I will explain my point, what I am stating is that animals use the Body intelligence alone as their means of communication.
As to say, they use body language as a "language" in general.
They do not need to speak to others and/or create language to facilitate this ~as we do. In my experience most people miss the point with animal communication. Most of all with dogs. Dogs try so hard to communicate and most people simply see it as silly dog stuff. However they are very serious about it and other animals seem to "get it" right off. We are the only species I see that seems to miss out on the conversation. Getting in touch with our own Body Intelligence should help us better communicate with all animals. And maybe even plants. The subtle nature of those entities communications are heavily missed by us and it is in that we have missed a whole universe of possibility and maybe have even harmed mother nature by missing the Qs all around us.

Verry interesting take on this. It reminds me that all levels of creation have the spark in them. Or as it has also been expressed, as above so below. The difference is just frequency. The body elemental is another aspect of creation and thus has intelligence.
Some tribal moms for instance just know when their baby needs to go and quietly remove them to the bushes. I always assumed they were connected at the soul or spirit or etheric level but maybe not.
Animals know when there will be a major weather event. Is that only messaging from their spirit level or the body elemental alerting to a need or danger?
Balancing the mind, body & spirit becomes a more complicated thing if we understand the body to have its own intelligence. Is this why the martial arts (like aikido which is particularly non-violent ) and spiritual practices like yoga have so much to offer? Does this viewpoint argue against spiritual practices that demand that one ascend the body to become enlightened, I think so.

I love this thread too Mostafa!

[Steven]

Animals have consciousness too! They even are cultural, tribal, creative and spiritual! Lately, I am grateful for the mayan pyramid of evolution of consciousness because it shed some light over this question. According to the pyramid, the cell is the first base of foundation for consciousness to manifest in this world. For what its worth.

7712

Namaste, Steven

[leavesoftrees]

I came across this last night in the book I am currently reading (The marriages between Zones Three, Four and Five by Doris Lessing)

"Madam", he asked "how do you people talk to your animals?"...
"You stay with them. You watch them. You put your hands on them and feel how they feel. You look into their eyes. You listen to the tones of their cries and their calling to each other. You make sure that when they begin to understand, that you understand them, you do not miss the first tones of what they say to you. For if you do not hear, they will not trouble to try again. Soon you will feel what they are feeling, and you will know what they are thinking , even if they do not tell you themselves"

[nomadguy]

No. Body memory isn't regarded as spiritual work. Its working to remove residual consciousness.

I tend to experience our purer expression beyond consciousness is what allows for animal communication because they have more of expressed purity of spirit and less of the sort of consciousness that humans experience.



Yeah......consciousness is shifted out of the way and higher expression is allowed to flow through . I realized that that each time I had accidentally called an animal it was because I was not doing so in a unfocused unconscious way. I used to joke that if you wanted to call any animal to you, just sit out in the woods with a good absorbing book your focus gets lost in and you'd have a flock of critters all around you.

Consciousness composes a great deal of body intelligence. Its not all just past lives or other lives, there's things in our subconscious embedded there. And an animal may find it offputing.

I've had people tell me their frustration of attempting to call animals by projecting "love" at them. Well human love can often project itself as need or hunger , to the animals point of view.If one doesn't have a clear concept of what love is (not need or hunger) this way will fail. A cat will show you that. You focus your attention on them and they snarkily walk away. Now that my attention is on this post I have three cats attempting to climb onto the lap tap. ...lol

Body intelligence is created too. When one first begins riding a horse, they are unsteady, unstable and you feel as if its artificial. The horses shies, starts, bolts, trips,bucks, swerves--one loses their balance. After experiencing a shy , start, bolt, buck and swerve several times one stops falling off. And even losing their balance at all. The middle ear which is responsibility for balance records every movement, eventually it records enough information to send to the body to make the minute and instantaneous adjustments required to maintain balance through anything no matter how anti gravity or seemingly impossible. One learns what it feels like just before a horse refuses a jump, makes a split second adjustment, and remains seated even though realistically one should have went flying over their ears. You're body memory has made the appropriate adjustment just prior to the incident, this all occurs in a seemingly impossible millisecond amount of time. Eventually everything becomes automatic, liked breathing, wired right into seemingly the automatic nervous system.

. In point-nothing seconds you've automatically made the minute muscular adjustments to keep from being tossed off. . Learning to ride is all inner ear. Developing a seat helps with balance but its really just a way of positioning yourself so you aren't imposing resistance on balance. That too is body memory. Some people come into this life with natural physical abilities that usually require practice. That too is body memory.



I'm a bit unclear what is meant by that interesting thought. In my experience, and from the shamanic perspective, we connect with animals on a soul or spirit level. I know I have been guided many times by the expression of creation that is carried by an animal, which they brought into my presence as a reminder to observe that aspect in my own life. Having a reference book to know what aspect each animal reflects is useful there.

Also a shaman friend of mine has 2 animals that she works with in her healing work. They heal too. After an overnight visit on a crosscountry drive, when I drove away from her home, both her animals (dogs) and her animals' own two guides (a bear and a wolf) rode with us - in spirit, but clear for me to see - for a distance, just for the fun of it.

So are they communicating only with the Body Intelligence or the spirit inhabiting it or both? I dunno.



So you're voting for 'both'?

I never had been speaking about spirit matters, which is ok, this post has veered off into two subjects, and I think that is fine

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And I will add I had a wonderful 3 years or so with 3 cats and two jack russells, and I dare say those Russells were VERY telepathic especially the older female, She would know I was going to go someplace before I did.

[MargueriteBee]

My rabbit communicates with me, when she wants more food she runs around in circles!

[Carmen]

Its only happened once to me, but I can vouch that animals talk pychicly also. A few year ago I standing on a mounting block ready to mount my Irish Hunter Arab cross gelding and I was a bit nervous to get on him as I was trying a new saddle on him and didnt know how he'd react. I'd gotten back into riding after twenty years of not riding and had more self preservation about me than I did when I was younger. So I was mucking about, delaying getting on when I heard in my head clear as a bell "For God's sake get on!! Im just as nervous of you as you are of me!" I was soo surprised I mounted immediately with no problem from the horse. It was really strange.

[MargueriteBee]

That reminds me Carmen, When I first got my rabbit I was calling her a good boy when I got a feeling of 'but I'm a girl' from her. I call her girl bunny and she loves it.

[Carmen]

Had an interesting experience this morning. Woke up to no power! No problem, lit my woodstove and stuck the kettle on to boil. No phone, no internet. Quiet and peaceful. Eventually rang the power company with my daughter's cp (mine was out of battery) and eventually the power co guy turned up. A possum had shorted the power up the pole so we cut back the trees and got the power on again. But, we found the culprit at the base of the pole, a baby possum, just at the cute and cuddly stage, all shocked and singed but alive. Possums in New Zealand are not held in the same regard as they are elsewhere (Australia for instance). They are regarded at absolute pests as they wreck havoc on our native bush and birdlife!! Anyway, in this household baby animals rescued, orphaned etc are immediately pets. One look at this little furry being and we all wanted to cuddle it. I was thinking of calling it 'Elec'!!! What is it about baby animals that brings out the mothering instinct, cos it sure does

The no power thing was interesting too. It was so peaceful. We really noticed the difference in our bodies when the power came on again and peace departed. Im thinking of turning power off completely at night now as freezers dont need power twentyfour hours and I think powerless would be better for sleeping.

[loveandgratitude]

had an interesting experience this morning. Woke up to no power! No problem, lit my woodstove and stuck the kettle on to boil. No phone, no internet. Quiet and peaceful. Eventually rang the power company with my daughter's cp (mine was out of battery) and eventually the power co guy turned up. A possum had shorted the power up the pole so we cut back the trees and got the power on again. But, we found the culprit at the base of the pole, a baby possum, just at the cute and cuddly stage, all shocked and singed but alive. Possums in new zealand are not held in the same regard as they are elsewhere (australia for instance). They are regarded at absolute pests as they wreck havoc on our native bush and birdlife!! Anyway, in this household baby animals rescued, orphaned etc are immediately pets. One look at this little furry being and we all wanted to cuddle it. I was thinking of calling it 'elec'!!! What is it about baby animals that brings out the mothering instinct, cos it sure does

the no power thing was interesting too. It was so peaceful. We really noticed the difference in our bodies when the power came on again and peace departed. Im thinking of turning power off completely at night now as freezers dont need power twentyfour hours and i think powerless would be better for sleeping.

photos please

[Carmen]

Okay, I'll get my daughter to photograph him/her. Ive misplaced my camera. He/she is real cute. Tomorrow.

[Carmody]

The first horse I ever encountered and learned to ride was a retired western riding champion. That was intense. He was a cross between a shotgun and an insane Ferrari. I was left to my own devices in that as well....you can imagine the chaos that was possible. Retired or not, that kind of horse is used to considerable expenditure of energy when ridden.

[Carmen]

Haha, Bet you learned fast. I often referred to the Arab/Irish Hunter (Sham was his name) as a Ferrari. That horse would teach you a lot though Carmody, sort of like learning to survive!! My daughter took on Sham a few years back and this past season she took him barrel racing at aged seventeen. He looked ridiculous round all the quarter horses being leggy and sixteen hands but he could really handle his feet and is light as a feather so he did quite well. My daughter has retired him now and bought herself a quarter horse for next season.

I alway love comparing horses to humans or trying to work out what they'd be like if they were human. My Sham would have been a gay poncey ladies hair dresser, classy and highly strung!! A real athletic "look at me" sort of fellow. LOL

[Mad Hatter]

My first experience on a horse was with one we had gifted to us in exchange for agistment at the back of our chook farm while the previous owner had been a member of the local pony club. He (Renown) was an absolutely beautiful animal standing eighteen and a half hands high and was an ex european show jumper to boot. My girlfriend at the time was breaking in another stray(Misha) we had collected and thought it would be a good idea for us to take them out together. After explaining to me the basics of how to make a horse go and stop, fitting the bridle (no sadle) he patiently stood there while I hauled myself onto him and sat on his back like the proverbial sack of spuds. Girlfriend jumps on Misha, bailing twine for a bridle (no saddle) and trots of down the paddock.

Hmmm... thinks me...no steering wheel or handle bars...no brake peddle....no go peddle... whats more that is a loooong way to fall....oh well you only live once. A timid kick start and nothing happens. Girlfriend yells back make sure you show him who is in charge...M'kay....decent nudge with heels into the flanks and we are moving...must be an auto thinks I as the pace picks up to hit trotting mode...severe pain now emanating from the region of my manhood....trotting becomes more exaggerated....daylight now appearing between me and horse with each bounce...nether regions now in agony with each pounding...brain is screaming stop this now....memory finally recalls instruction for stop = pull on both reigns at once...I pull on both reigns at once but what with trying to balance and all it turned out due to lack of enough tension I'd actually give the command for prepare to jump(showjumper remember)....horse dutifully bunches up prepping to jump...causing me to proceed skyward to the extent that I might as well have been standing on his back instead...he lunged forward as I proceeded backward...this inadvertantly caused enough tension on the reigns to convince him I meant stop...which he did...gravity did it's trick and I landed on his back for the last time...causing parts of my manhood to eventually swell to the size of oranges...before carrying out a near perfect forward pike over his head....whilst lying on the ground in from of him gasping to recover from being winded....he looked down his long equine nose with total disdain....and I swear to this day said YOU IDIOT...

[9eagle9]

The first horse I ever encountered and learned to ride was a retired western riding champion. That was intense. He was a cross between a shotgun and an insane Ferrari. I was left to my own devices in that as well....you can imagine the chaos that was possible. Retired or not, that kind of horse is used to considerable expenditure of energy when ridden.

I'm thinking thats where my little pony gets his energy from, western eventing.

A lot of energy expended even when you are just walking. Vertical motion. Western horses are taught to stay mostly in collection to work, bunch themelves up to dime around corners, and spin on the heel. This causes a lot of vertical up down energy. English horses are encouraged to extend outwards which is why the English seat is the forward seat. The energy is directed forwards and backwards instead of up and down.. I rode a big hunter mare over the weekend and the trail ride was considerably more comfortable without the Ferrari effect.. Which leads me to make the shocking statement that I don't think the Western style of going is good for trail rides (cowers as the equestrian world launches on my heresy). Maybe they'll get over it; they seem to got over my predilection for trail riding in a close contact saddle.

[9eagle9]

HOLY COW. 18.2 is a BIG BOY!!

The last I looked (which was a while back) 19.2 is world's tallest horse although there were a few of them at the time that had the honor of 19.2. You were a mere four inches from world record height your first time out....lol.

The tallest horse I've ever been on was 17.2 he was some big too, he looked dreadful in a horse rug because we couldn't find anything large enough to fit him. But he was quite snooty as well...lol. When walking him to pasture i had to trot to keep up with that long walk.

Warmbloods are comfortable though, (once you get used to it..lol) like riding a great big old couch. They typically have a good ethic and ...expect you to have one too...ha ha . It it was a Hanoverian that aristocratic look of disdain probably comes from knowing they had a commoner on their back. Horses can be quite snooty and disdainful sometimes.

LOL. Good story MH.



My first experience on a horse was with one we had gifted to us in exchange for agistment at the back of our chook farm while the previous owner had been a member of the local pony club. He (Renown) was an absolutely beautiful animal standing eighteen and a half hands high and was an ex european show jumper to boot. My girlfriend at the time was breaking in another stray(Misha) we had collected and thought it would be a good idea for us to take them out together. After explaining to me the basics of how to make a horse go and stop, fitting the bridle (no sadle) he patiently stood there while I hauled myself onto him and sat on his back like the proverbial sack of spuds. Girlfriend jumps on Misha, bailing twine for a bridle (no saddle) and trots of down the paddock.

Hmmm... thinks me...no steering wheel or handle bars...no brake peddle....no go peddle... whats more that is a loooong way to fall....oh well you only live once. A timid kick start and nothing happens. Girlfriend yells back make sure you show him who is in charge...M'kay....decent nudge with heels into the flanks and we are moving...must be an auto thinks I as the pace picks up to hit trotting mode...severe pain now emanating from the region of my manhood....trotting becomes more exaggerated....daylight now appearing between me and horse with each bounce...nether regions now in agony with each pounding...brain is screaming stop this now....memory finally recalls instruction for stop = pull on both reigns at once...I pull on both reigns at once but what with trying to balance and all it turned out due to lack of enough tension I'd actually give the command for prepare to jump(showjumper remember)....horse dutifully bunches up prepping to jump...causing me to proceed skyward to the extent that I might as well have been standing on his back instead...he lunged forward as I proceeded backward...this inadvertantly caused enough tension on the reigns to convince him I meant stop...which he did...gravity did it's trick and I landed on his back for the last time...causing parts of my manhood to eventually swell to the size of oranges...before carrying out a near perfect forward pike over his head....whilst lying on the ground in from of him gasping to recover from being winded....he looked down his long equine nose with total disdain....and I swear to this day said YOU IDIOT...

[9eagle9]

Indy's sister is in the barn with him as they were both rescues. She has that delicate Arab dishy face and petite nose. His nose is coarser, all nostril. But he's sure footed, brave takes everything on the chin, nothing phases him. The sister however is real prima donna, she lives up to her looks, even though they were both trained to go the same way. With all the rain here its nothing but puddles, and lakes of standing water the horses are slogging through. His sister though doesn't want her feet wet on the trails. A terrible imposition to stick those precious feet in a puddle when they are living in bogs essentially. She's a real girly girl. I envision her dressed in a frilly white dressy, staying immaculately clean while cutting out paper dolls. Indy is obvious. Indiana Jones . I'm more sorta the hapless , if game, woman that Indiana Jones always seems to manage to drag into his dramas. Just there, being drug along behind while he swings through the trees.

I love that name Sham by the way, one of the first known Arabians wasn't it?



Haha, Bet you learned fast. I often referred to the Arab/Irish Hunter (Sham was his name) as a Ferrari. That horse would teach you a lot though Carmody, sort of like learning to survive!! My daughter took on Sham a few years back and this past season she took him barrel racing at aged seventeen. He looked ridiculous round all the quarter horses being leggy and sixteen hands but he could really handle his feet and is light as a feather so he did quite well. My daughter has retired him now and bought herself a quarter horse for next season.

I alway love comparing horses to humans or trying to work out what they'd be like if they were human. My Sham would have been a gay poncey ladies hair dresser, classy and highly strung!! A real athletic "look at me" sort of fellow. LOL