Rational Explanation Requested.

[Anno]

If anyone can explain this without using the word Ghost, I'm all ears.

I'm helping my friend do some painting in an old workshop he's rented. It's about 100 years old and converted from an old Mill that got split up into little workshops recently. So yes, it's possible people were killed in there but I don't feel anything bad and the first thing I do in a new space is set up a little "shrine" and invite the Great Spirit in, explain my intentions and ask for its blessing and protection. No animal sacrifices though, just fruit.

We decided to get a little creative with the painting and have been using masking tape to layer different colours and create 3d looking shapes. First we painted a Grey border, left it overnight to dry, then put masking tape over it the next day, leaving scraggly edges showing. My friend took photos of this for a 'making off' type affair.

Over the next couple of days we added two more colours inside and outside the tape, painting over the grey as we went. Again, pictures were taken along the way.

We finally finished tonight and took off the masking tape. The grey paint has totaly vanished off the wall. And no, it's not on the masking tape, it's the first thing we checked. It's proper 3 day painter's tape, was still sticky and you can see the other two colours showing through from the top.
We also considered that maybe we were dellusional and put the tape in the wrong place, but there's photographic and memory evidence that that's not the case.
There's not even tiny specks of it in the cracks/holes in the bricks. It's like it was never there in the first place, but we know damn well that it was.

The only rational explanation we can come up with, is that someone snuck in, took off the tape, removed the grey paint without damaging the original white paint, but only where the tape was, then replaced the tape perfectly so we'd still see the scraggly edges and not notice when we started to paint over it.

The only other odd thing that's happened so far was also today. A stone about an inch across and half an inch deep just appeared on top of the dust sheet out of nowhere. We checked the ceiling for holes but nothing. It was way too big to have been in our shoes. It was just 'there'. I dismissed it and assumed someone had been in there or something.

My mate reckons it's a ghost from someone who died in the mill and doesn't like grey but I'm not convinced. I'm also not convinced by random overnight paint removers though. How would you remove one layer of paint without affecting the one below it or leaving at least a few traces?

The only other thing I can think of is kinda equal to ghosts though. After I got over the shock, I said, "Y'know, the white does actually look a lot better than the grey would have." So I'm partly thinking the Great Spirit did it because it knew the white would look better and I'd invited it in to help?

To clarify, there is absolutely no grey paint on the wall nor on the masking tape we took off. Not even a tiny bit. There are photos of the paint being there aswell as our memory of actually doing it. There's also the half empty can of grey paint.

And yes, I did try to manifest an Apple to make sure I wasn't dreaming :o I can't remember which Camelot/Avalon video that's from. I think it's that blonde guy who may or may not be Edgar Cayce 2.0. I'm not very good with names.

Does anyone have any explanations for how this has happened by natural means or suggestions for things to try if it is some kind of supernatural 'intelligence' that doesn't like grey?

[bitworm]

Can you post the photos?

If it's happening with that one specific color, perhaps there's something going on (chemically) with that particular can of paint. Also, what was the lighting situation like? Coupled with different light sources at different times, paint usually looks completely different dry than it does wet.

[sshenry]

Ok, I don't know how "rational" this theory is, but since I've had personal experience with this sort of occurance I'll go ahead and put it here.

There are theories that state that there are multiple realities piled up nearly on top of each other - many times sharing the same space with each other (overlapping if you will) just not usually visible to each other in normal everyday occurances. Some of these realities/worlds are nearly identical to the one we're living in right now, but with just a few minor differences. (You can find this theory listed under the "many worlds theory").

From what I've experienced, sometimes these realities "bleed through" and can be detected by those who are sufficiently sensitive to the nuances. I'm not saying that you are in another reality, but maybe that section of the building "bled through" from another reality - or you're seeing what is there - but someplace else.

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Is it possible the gray soaked in ?..What are the walls made of and were there any coats of paint already there ? If its 100 years old they may be very porus and if you were using water based paint instead of oil based paint. Were the walls prime coated first ? Also arent mills built on streams and rivers to use hydro power to move the wheel ? Also a possibility of deffective paint from the paint factory if you bought it pre mixed or the paint store technician if they mixed it in front of you, made a mistake. Try a patch test with the same can of gray and other colors on another part of bare wall and see what happens. this is a mystery but you still have paint left to repeat the process.. Good luck , cant wait to see how this turns out ! PS are any other people that have the other subdivided workshops having paint mysteries ?

[Anno]

Can you post the photos?

If it's happening with that one specific color, perhaps there's something going on (chemically) with that particular can of paint. Also, what was the lighting situation like? Coupled with different light sources at different times, paint usually looks completely different dry than it does wet.

I've asked him to email me the photos so I can post them.

All three colours are by the same manufacturer (johnstones) and were mixed by the place he bought them from. It's decent water based matt paint, not cheap stuff. We did two coats of the grey, on top of the original white coat that was already there. The lighting is flourescent so we don't really turn them on as there's lots of natural daylight. You can clearly see that it's the original old white paint underneath because it's dirty in places and the rest of the walls are still that white so comparison is easy.


Ok, I don't know how "rational" this theory is, but since I've had personal experience with this sort of occurance I'll go ahead and put it here. [...]


I like the many worlds or multiverse theory, but why would it only affect 2" and 0.75" strips? Unless there's something in the grey paint, but as I said above, it's standard Johnstones paint that gets colourised by the supplier. In theory, it should all be the same paint from the same batch but with different pigments. I'll check the serial numbers on the tins tomorrow.


Is it possible the gray soaked in ?..What are the walls made of and were there any coats of paint already there ? If its 100 years old they may be very porus and if you were using water based paint instead of oil based paint. Were the walls prime coated first ? Also arent mills built on streams and rivers to use hydro power to move the wheel ? Also a possibility of deffective paint from the paint factory if you bought it pre mixed or the paint store technician if they mixed it in front of you, made a mistake. Try a patch test with the same can of gray and other colors on another part of bare wall and see what happens. this is a mystery but you still have paint left to repeat the process.. Good luck , cant wait to see how this turns out ! PS are any other people that have the other subdivided workshops having paint mysteries ?

The walls are concrete but they're not 100 years old. They're the more recent partition walls that were put up to separate the original long 'loom shed' building. They were already painted with normal white emulsion by the landlord before my mate got the keys. I did consider it soaking in, but that means it'd have to pass through the original white coat without leaving any traces behind at all, or on the masking tape.

There is a river near by, but the mill is 1900's so would have been steam then electricity. It's on the side of a valley so the river is probably... ...400M away downhill. We didn't take the tape off til 6pm so everyone had gone home, but I'll be interrogating people tomorrow. If he lets me that is, he may not want to get a reputation as a nutter lol. I know the place was empty for a good 9 months before he got it, but all the other ones are occupied.

Good idea about the test. As mentioned above, the paint should be identical except for the pigments, but I'll put some on another part of the wall and repeat the masking then see what happens.

[toothpick]

My grandfather was a painter, and, when I was young I got to spend my summers with him and I would watch him paint for hours and hours.
He was from a different time, a man,s man. Hunter, trapper, logger, blacksmith, WW1,WW2, Staff Sargent, but, with all these traits he was very spiritual person and an artist.
I spent whole summers in that little paint shack and many unexplainabe things happened. Very Interesting magical time and man.
He was definitly one of these characters who should have had a book wrote about thier life.
When I was 10 my dad, and, my grandfather,s son unfortunetly passed along on his journey, point being,
maybe thats why we had so many inexplicable things happen to both of us while he was painting.
I think what I,m trying to say here is something about painting or art in general that can open us up to some higher spiritual vibrations.

My guess about the gray paint would be, that, the grey paint was probably extremely opaque, which is very hard to tell when putting it on large surfaces, especially with the naked eye.
If you use it on a painting, where it,s used for layering, you cannot even see it at all.

toothpick

[Anno]

[...]
He was definitly one of these characters who should have had a book wrote about thier life.


Could you not write it?

We were painting a wall btw, not a painting, painting. Neither of us are that artistic lol. I get what you're saying though. It is a very Zen activity, even just painting walls. It really quiets the mind and because you focus on such a small area at a time, the rest of the world seems to vanish.

The paint itself is a dark grey. Ash Grey from Johnstone's pallete if anyone wants to look it up. It would have to have dried totaly clear, but the thing is, we left it overnight to dry before we taped it up so we could see the grey paint that wasn't masked, and some of it was visible for a couple of days before the last of it got painted over. Which was yesterday when I painted over the edges of the tape with a brush before attacking the rest with a roller.

[Mystique]

I started a thread about things disappearing and reappearing. I put jewelry in pockets in a jacket; the jewelry was gone the next week and there were slits in two of the pockets; and then the next day the jewelry was back in the pockets and there were no slits.

As I am reflecting on all of this, perhaps something to consider is that time is accelerating as we and the planet moves towards zero point. As our consciousness is evolving quickly, we are loosening our relationship with matter as something that is dense and separate from Mind.

Matter is light, as Einstein pointed out; light is information and information is consciousness. Maybe as our consciousness speeds up our awareness gets closer and closer to the speed of light and matter becomes more and more malleable with dream-like qualities. All this is directed by our Higher Awareness - which changes jackets and disappears jewelry and leaves white paint intact where it was painted over.

All of this may be ways our Higher Awareness is getting us to question the nature of reality, the laws of nature we learned, so that our waking consciousness can keep up with this acceleration by dropping limiting beliefs about what is possible.

Just a thought.

[Anno]

I started a thread about things disappearing and reappearing. I put jewelry in pockets in a jacket; the jewelry was gone the next week and there were slits in two of the pockets; and then the next day the jewelry was back in the pockets and there were no slits.

As I am reflecting on all of this, perhaps something to consider is that time is accelerating as we and the planet moves towards zero point. As our consciousness is evolving quickly, we are loosening our relationship with matter as something that is dense and separate from Mind.

Matter is light, as Einstein pointed out; light is information and information is consciousness. Maybe as our consciousness speeds up our awareness gets closer and closer to the speed of light and matter becomes more and more malleable with dream-like qualities. All this is directed by our Higher Awareness - which changes jackets and disappears jewelry and leaves white paint intact where it was painted over.

All of this may be ways our Higher Awareness is getting us to question the nature of reality, the laws of nature we learned, so that our waking consciousness can keep up with this acceleration by dropping limiting beliefs about what is possible.

Just a thought.

I read that earlier and I thought the same thing. This wind is really strange too, and at the same time that started my mobile internet started going crazy. I've been reading the forum for about an hour and a half tonight and I've had to reconnect 4 times. My mobile phone signal has also been rubbish. Normally I have a really strong one, even when others don't.

For some reason, I have an intuition that I should get a solar telescope and start looking at the Sun.

[Flash]

May b e all kind of weird things are going to start happening everywhere, hence, do not fear.

[Anno]

May b e all kind of weird things are going to start happening everywhere, hence, do not fear.

I think it's more exciting than scary. If life is about experience, then we're very lucky to be alive right now, no matter what happens. Besides, as Bill Hicks said, it's just a ride.

[sshenry]

I like the many worlds or multiverse theory, but why would it only affect 2" and 0.75" strips? Unless there's something in the grey paint, but as I said above, it's standard Johnstones paint that gets colourised by the supplier. In theory, it should all be the same paint from the same batch but with different pigments. I'll check the serial numbers on the tins tomorrow.



The thing is,if you were to go on with the many worlds theory you're only seeing one particluar difference (in your case the 2" and 0.75" strips) in one particular place. That may be the only difference in the part of the world that directly effects you - but in that world that particular batch of paint was created by a machine that was misprogramed because the dude running it never got the chance to go to high school thanks to some law that DIDN't get passed in 1964.

You see? it wouldn't necessarily be big things that changed, it could affect small stuff too. :)

[Anno]

I like the many worlds or multiverse theory, but why would it only affect 2" and 0.75" strips? Unless there's something in the grey paint, but as I said above, it's standard Johnstones paint that gets colourised by the supplier. In theory, it should all be the same paint from the same batch but with different pigments. I'll check the serial numbers on the tins tomorrow.



The thing is,if you were to go on with the many worlds theory you're only seeing one particluar difference (in your case the 2" and 0.75" strips) in one particular place. That may be the only difference in the part of the world that directly effects you - but in that world that particular batch of paint was created by a machine that was misprogramed because the dude running it never got the chance to go to high school thanks to some law that DIDN't get passed in 1964.

You see? it wouldn't necessarily be big things that changed, it could affect small stuff too. :)

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. The next logical question is, would the paint supplier give me a refund if I gave your explanation as my reason for returning it?

[sshenry]

I like the many worlds or multiverse theory, but why would it only affect 2" and 0.75" strips? Unless there's something in the grey paint, but as I said above, it's standard Johnstones paint that gets colourised by the supplier. In theory, it should all be the same paint from the same batch but with different pigments. I'll check the serial numbers on the tins tomorrow.



The thing is,if you were to go on with the many worlds theory you're only seeing one particluar difference (in your case the 2" and 0.75" strips) in one particular place. That may be the only difference in the part of the world that directly effects you - but in that world that particular batch of paint was created by a machine that was misprogramed because the dude running it never got the chance to go to high school thanks to some law that DIDN't get passed in 1964.

You see? it wouldn't necessarily be big things that changed, it could affect small stuff too. :)

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. The next logical question is, would the paint supplier give me a refund if I gave your explanation as my reason for returning it?

lol, even if they didn't it would probably make their "most interesting customer request" list :)

[Carmody]

If anyone can explain this without using the word Ghost, I'm all ears.

I'm helping my friend do some painting in an old workshop he's rented. It's about 100 years old and converted from an old Mill that got split up into little workshops recently. So yes, it's possible people were killed in there but I don't feel anything bad and the first thing I do in a new space is set up a little "shrine" and invite the Great Spirit in, explain my intentions and ask for its blessing and protection. No animal sacrifices though, just fruit.

We decided to get a little creative with the painting and have been using masking tape to layer different colours and create 3d looking shapes. First we painted a Grey border, left it overnight to dry, then put masking tape over it the next day, leaving scraggly edges showing. My friend took photos of this for a 'making off' type affair.

Over the next couple of days we added two more colours inside and outside the tape, painting over the grey as we went. Again, pictures were taken along the way.

We finally finished tonight and took off the masking tape. The grey paint has totaly vanished off the wall. And no, it's not on the masking tape, it's the first thing we checked. It's proper 3 day painter's tape, was still sticky and you can see the other two colours showing through from the top.
We also considered that maybe we were dellusional and put the tape in the wrong place, but there's photographic and memory evidence that that's not the case.
There's not even tiny specks of it in the cracks/holes in the bricks. It's like it was never there in the first place, but we know damn well that it was.

The only rational explanation we can come up with, is that someone snuck in, took off the tape, removed the grey paint without damaging the original white paint, but only where the tape was, then replaced the tape perfectly so we'd still see the scraggly edges and not notice when we started to paint over it.

The only other odd thing that's happened so far was also today. A stone about an inch across and half an inch deep just appeared on top of the dust sheet out of nowhere. We checked the ceiling for holes but nothing. It was way too big to have been in our shoes. It was just 'there'. I dismissed it and assumed someone had been in there or something.

My mate reckons it's a ghost from someone who died in the mill and doesn't like grey but I'm not convinced. I'm also not convinced by random overnight paint removers though. How would you remove one layer of paint without affecting the one below it or leaving at least a few traces?

The only other thing I can think of is kinda equal to ghosts though. After I got over the shock, I said, "Y'know, the white does actually look a lot better than the grey would have." So I'm partly thinking the Great Spirit did it because it knew the white would look better and I'd invited it in to help?

To clarify, there is absolutely no grey paint on the wall nor on the masking tape we took off. Not even a tiny bit. There are photos of the paint being there aswell as our memory of actually doing it. There's also the half empty can of grey paint.

And yes, I did try to manifest an Apple to make sure I wasn't dreaming :o I can't remember which Camelot/Avalon video that's from. I think it's that blonde guy who may or may not be Edgar Cayce 2.0. I'm not very good with names.

Does anyone have any explanations for how this has happened by natural means or suggestions for things to try if it is some kind of supernatural 'intelligence' that doesn't like grey?

location, location location. Where is the old mill?

Get Google earth and then the 'vortex maps' ley line and energy grid overlay.

Also the magnetic anomaly overlay. both are 'kmz' files for Google earth, and the anomaly map is very nicely detailed.

if it is a ley line or energy grid line, the scalar or dimensional energies are stronger and things can come through.

Powerful psychics or 'more energetic forms' can be born on these lines as well. The transference/integration is better. Basically, you are suffering from dimensional leakage.

What kind of plant or mill was it -originally? Soil leeching for example, of mercury, and mercury is used in alchemy and the 'white power of gold' is a a dimensional doorway system. The chemicals or metals can 'charge' the soil conditions.

this one is right on a ley or vortex line.

http://hamiltonparanormal.com/tunnel.html

I know someone who was born on that particular line. She sees ghosts, she is also celtic. So darn Celtic so that when you see films where the given Celt has the family crest-cross tattooed in detail cross their back? due to them being the carrier of the bloodline energies? She has that tattoo.

I too was born on a ley line. One time, on a powerful day, she and I began to close the distance between us in the store she works in. We began to speak.

The moment we started, a 4 foot tall glass vase exploded.

[zenith]

Perhaps it's simply an optical illusion?
The perception of a colour can be greatly affected by the other colours surrounding it.


Peace

[Anno]

Update. The paint inside the tin has turned bright white, as has the dried paint on the outside of the tin.

This is the colour it's supposed to be...

http://www.e-paint.co.uk/images/ral_colours/00%20A%2001.jpg

It looked like that for a few days, and is now somehow white. Not off white, or kinda like white, but brilliant bright white.

It's like the pigments have vanished out of it.


lol, even if they didn't it would probably make their "most interesting customer request" list :)

We just phoned them and they're making every excuse possible. They couldn't understand that we didn't want to return it, we just wanted to know how it can happen. They're sending out a colour chart just incase we can't tell the difference between white and grey. Sales people. *sigh*



location, location location. Where is the old mill?

Get Google earth and then the 'vortex maps' ley line and energy grid overlay.

Also the magnetic anomaly overlay. both are 'kmz' files for Google earth, and the anomaly map is very nicely detailed.

if it is a ley line or energy grid line, the scalar or dimensional energies are stronger and things can come through. [...]


It's just outside of Leeds on the other side of the pennines. I don't really know this side at all so I'll have to check. I didn't know about ley line overlays for google earth, I'll check it out!


Perhaps it's simply an optical illusion?
The perception of a colour can be greatly affected by the other colours surrounding it.

Peace

There's no way. It /was/ grey and now it's white. Proper bright brilliant white. The other paints are from the same place, mixed at the same time but they're fine.

I should have the photos later on to upload.

My main theory at the moment is that the pigment has somehow left or degraded but I don't know paint chemistry or if that's even possible. Maybe the paint saw a ghost and turned white lol. Or it's a racist ghost that doesn't like grey people?

This also doesn't explain how that stone appeared on top of the dust sheet while we were standing there. We never saw/heard it arrive, but one minute it wasn't there, then it was. The stone was grey btw. Well, it still is because I kept it here.

Strange.

Update: We just got off the phone with the paint manufacturer themselves. They can't give any reason why paint inside a tin could change (or lose) its colour. They want it back so the chemists can analyse it. Apparently, it can happen on the wall if there are things like lime around, but not inside the tin or on the outside of the tin.

They also said that the blue we have, uses the same pigment as the grey so if it was a pigment issue, both should be affected but the blue is fine.

Maybe it's not a ghost but there's definitely something 'impossible' happening. We're going to keep some back for our own 'records' then take the rest in to them so their chemists can analyse it and hopefully we'll get a full report back and they mystery will be resolved.

[zenith]

It /was/ grey and now it's white. Proper bright brilliant white.
I wasn't aware that tins of paint could achieve enlightenment. :)

[toothpick]

Hi Anno.
It seems like you truly have a mystery on your hands.
Good luck , good health.

toothpick

[bitworm]

Sounds like a bleaching agent was introduced or formed when the can was opened. It could have been floating around in the air (lime) and some got in the paint can; if it were a large amount, you'd notice the smell, but a small amount introduced into the can may take a few days for the bleaching to occur.

If there's a lot of dust in there, it wouldn't take much to stir it up when you're in there working.

[Tangri]

2 days now . You should have received an e-mail from your friends with pic.

[nearing]

Cool mystery!