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Mind control.
I've been wondering what Charles meant by 70% is misguided on this site, and that 'they' use nature events to achieve their aims. So, there might be some gems in the 'garbage'? All we have to do is find one and polish it up a bit. As we all have different interests, we can come at this all different angles, and using some insight, might just put the right dots together.
We have to beak out of our usual way of thinking. Speculating on speculation is just keeping the mind busy, and that is my point. That is exactly what they want!! So a bit of odd can do wonders!!
Sometime we may even be near a solution, but it may depend on how we word it.
So here is one on mind control.
If you were asked, “Where is the nearest post box? Your mind out of kindness and eager to please, would engage on my problem, to describe where I must go. I am now controlling your mind. It has been distracted.
Anything that arises in the mind is a distraction, from its still centre. The distraction can come from our own busy thoughts, or reactions to external events. We could even be distracted by just being vacant, i.e watching TV.
We are mind controlled all the time, we are kept busy, then all one wants to do at the end of the day is veg-out in front of the TV. That is 'their' plan. This plan also coincides with the ego!!!!
However, the awareness of this fact cannot be controlled, just distracted. The most powerful knowledge we have is Awareness of Awareness. Then when a thought arises, there is no clinging to it.
Why is this important?
Most of the time we identify with our thoughts. We think the thoughts are us. They are not. When we identify with the thoughts, emotions can easily spring up, and then they are in control. You have been invaded! On observation, thoughts steam into the mind constantly from all directions, but the observation does not change. Interesting!
Pure awareness is empty, it's pure. We cannot do anything to this awareness, or take anything away, and so can no one else. But they can play with the thoughts in your mind.
Just stop for a moment ........!
Meditation is the practice of resting in awareness. It is very simple, but there are pit falls to look out for. Resting in the now, in stillness, can become a concept. There can be a subtle holding on to a state. The purpose of meditation is liberation. To be in ones true essence is quite a advanced state (non-state).
So one can rest in a mere “I”. Barely meditating. Quite often is only when one stops meditating, at that very moment meditation actually takes place! It's in the gap. So breaking meditation from time to time is useful. The trick is not to be frozen in the gap.
The more one meditates the more everything is a reminder, and you are in control!
Actually you drop the control, and just be as it is.
Of course one doesn't have to meditate. There are other ways!
All the best
Tony
dan i el
24th May 2011, 11:04
Around the corner and up the street..from that direction it's on the right hand side, next to a tram stop.
Around the corner and up the street..from that direction it's on the right hand side, next to a tram stop.
OH! You mean, round the bend!
Tony
Mad Hatter
24th May 2011, 13:26
On the basis of...
So a bit of odd can do wonders!!
Mad Hatter slips into his lurkers coat and with a collection of hats in hand awaits further opportunity to parse information...;)
On the basis of...
So a bit of odd can do wonders!!
Mad Hatter slips into his lurkers coat and with a collection of hats in hand awaits further opportunity to parse information...;)
Well, I'm saving some information for further threads like- What to do when you find yourself dead... ( experiences in the Bardo).
How after a liftime of being a vegetarian finding out that fat is very good for the body....? (The cholestrol bar has been set too low, cholestrol is good for you.)
'Healthy food' is killing you.
The whole of our programming can be turned upside down, better still thrown away!!
It's either that or join the queue.
Tony
Mad Hatter
25th May 2011, 04:08
Mad Hatter dons his devils advocate cap...
Most of the time we identify with our thoughts. We think the thoughts are us. They are not. When we identify with the thoughts, emotions can easily spring up, and then they are in control.
Do you not find it odd that people try and differentiate between thoughts, emotions and feelings when for all intents and puposes they are all electrical impulses within ones brain?
Your implication here is that awareness is something detached from this process, yet in order to identify it as such, have you not done so using that very same brain?
I for one would be very interested to know how something inside the box can describe the outside of the box it is in...
Lord Sidious
25th May 2011, 05:26
Around the corner and up the street..from that direction it's on the right hand side, next to a tram stop.
OH! You mean, round the bend!
Tony
Nope, I am there and there are no post boxes here.
Must be a mistake. :cool:
loveandgratitude
25th May 2011, 05:42
MIND CONTROL - How many read the THREAD on DIGITAL TV? I suggest you do so.............then go straight and unplug your Digital TV and do not turn it on again. You have many DVD's to watch. Digital TV is a modern form of MIND CONTROL by means of stripping the F SHARP from your vocal tones. Giving away your power. This new frequency is the latest in the MIND CONTROL WAR ON YOU.
UNPLUG YOUR TV NOW7726
Mad Hatter dons his devils advocate cap...
Most of the time we identify with our thoughts. We think the thoughts are us. They are not. When we identify with the thoughts, emotions can easily spring up, and then they are in control.
Do you not find it odd that people try and differentiate between thoughts, emotions and feelings when for all intents and puposes they are all electrical impulses within ones brain?
Your implication here is that awareness is something detached from this process, yet in order to identify it as such, have you not done so using that very same brain?
I for one would be very interested to know how something inside the box can describe the outside of the box it is in...
Dear Hatter,
What a brilliant question. I like when you say............have YOU not done so USING that very same brain? That seems to answer your question!
But of course you want proof. PROOF!!! Well, this where you have to do some work! This where you have to make a choice.
I do not know you Hatter, so I can only generalise here. There are many ways to approach this subject, so I would need feed back. We can do this privately if you wish.
If you believe you are the brain ( which is fine if it makes you happy) then at death, that is the end of Hatter.
That will create a certain psychological view of life, of why we do things, how we react and that whether what we say and do matters and has consequences long term.
If we believe we are the body, when the body is ill we believe we are ill. We will believe that when the body gets old, we are old. And we act accordingly.
It especially will have an effect on how we deal with others. Have you ever wondered why people are born with certain tendencies?
This life is very short to learn everything we need to know. If we believed this life to be the only one we have, then we wouldn't waste time. People I know, think this way
and they panic trying to do as much as they can. When they get older a sort of dazed look comes over them.... it's time to give up!
I'm not saying believe what I am saying, but maybe allow the possibility to be there. That consciousness is more than the brain. I can guarantee you will never feel old, or give up.
I cannot prove life after death, but there is something that works for me.
My body changes, my thoughts change.....but what looks out of these eyes has never ever changed! The same constant consciousness. The brain is constantly wiring and rewiring, it is also losing cells at an alarming rate, but pure consciousness stays the same. Though the realisation does refine.
This where meditation comes in, this is where you work! One can observe that when the mind is still, the brain not firing, that the awareness is increased. Actually the awareness is not increased, it's that the thought process is not obscuring the view!
I believe that enlightenment is possible. Teachings I have been to indicate the method. 70% you know, 20% is inference, 5% is hidden (secret).
You could say at this point, "Well, you are doing out of fear!" That is the point I have no fear. Yes, it could be psychological, but I feel fine.
And, very confident. (not arrogant). I'm always checking for that!!
I suppose it is all psychological, if it works, fine, if it doesn't change.
There is experience beyond words!
All the best
Tony
Mad Hatter
25th May 2011, 11:00
G'day pie'n'eal
I take it you noted I was wearing my devils advocate cap, but that being said...
...have YOU not done so USING that very same brain? That seems to answer your question!
Touche...:cool2:
But of course you want proof. PROOF!!! Well, this where you have to do some work! This where you have to make a choice.
Ahhh yes the enigma that is choice. Some make choices based on faith others on evidence. Either is perfectly valid and fine with me, but I have a tendancy, more often than not, to want to use evidence in the decision making process, if at all available. This could be construed as confirmation bias but I think that would be unfair as long as I maintain an open mind.
I do not know you Hatter, so I can only generalise here. There are many ways to approach this subject, so I would need feed back. We can do this privately if you wish.
From my reading to date of some of your posts(which I have very much enjoyed) it appears to me that you are happy enough to partake in civilised but robust conversation, as am I. Being the wrong side of 50 I'm way past caring what others think of me so feel free to go for it... :smokin:
If you believe you are the brain ( which is fine if it makes you happy) then at death, that is the end of Hatter.
That will create a certain psychological view of life, of why we do things, how we react and that whether what we say and do matters and has consequences long term.
If we believe we are the body, when the body is ill we believe we are ill. We will believe that when the body gets old, we are old. And we act accordingly.
It especially will have an effect on how we deal with others. Have you ever wondered why people are born with certain tendencies?
Interestingly enough I did a course called 'Forum' run by Landmark Education (based I believe on EST training by Werner Erhard) and during one of the sessions this particular angle... 'when you die you end up in a hole in the ground and your best friend throws dirt in your face and thats it' was pushed really really hard. However, it was a deliberate affront to most of the students to try and bring about a gestalt in thinking, thus supplying the opening in order to drive home an entirely different point.
This life is very short to learn everything we need to know. If we believed this life to be the only one we have, then we wouldn't waste time. People I know, think this way
and they panic trying to do as much as they can. When they get older a sort of dazed look comes over them.... it's time to give up!
I agree entirely, if you cannot recognise the rat race for what it is then when it comes time to accept the inevitable fact that it can never be won, it is sadly so often the case that it ends up being the first real test of character (spirituality?) for so many...
I'm not saying believe what I am saying, but maybe allow the possibility to be there. That consciousness is more than the brain. I can guarantee you will never feel old, or give up.
Actually a large percentage of those I call friends are half my age because they are actually prepared to talk about that possibility amongst others. My own age group look at me as having Peter Pan syndrome as I point blank refuse to grow up as they percieve it!!:der:
I cannot prove life after death, but there is something that works for me.
My body changes, my thoughts change.....but what looks out of these eyes has never ever changed! The same constant consciousness. The brain is constantly wiring and rewiring, it is also losing cells at an alarming rate, but pure consciousness stays the same. Though the realisation does refine.
Actually I remember reading somewhere of an English scientist from the late 1800's who had developed and carried out experiments which purportedly proved life after death but as is so often the case this information was quickly suppressed. I went on a fairly manic hunt to track that down but came up empty handed at the time. You may have read elsewhere that I am fond of field theory, since a conscious field of pure energy, by way of explanation, seems able to accomodate all that I have perceived to date... :rockon:
This where meditation comes in, this is where you work! One can observe that when the mind is still, the brain not firing, that the awareness is increased. Actually the awareness is not increased, it's that the thought process is not obscuring the view!
Yes... dropping filters, like peeling an onion to have at the core, trouble is in my case that unless I get one of my two neurons zonked so it doesn't run into the other one, questions keep bubbling up... like why if there can be an infinite number of infinite universes do people talk about becoming one with the source...can I not entertain the notion of an infinite number of those as well??? Thus I come away from the exercise a little calmer but inevitably with more unanswered questions than when I began!!:confused:
I believe that enlightenment is possible. Teachings I have been to indicate the method. 70% you know, 20% is inference, 5% is hidden (secret).
You could say at this point, "Well, you are doing out of fear!" That is the point I have no fear. Yes, it could be psychological, but I feel fine.
And, very confident. (not arrogant). I'm always checking for that!!
I suppose it is all psychological, if it works, fine, if it doesn't change.
There is experience beyond words!
I suppose the upside for me is that I have an infinity within which to find out one way or the other no matter how slow I might be on the uptake...:p
cheers
Hatter,
You are well on your way!
I do like your hats,
Tony
Black Panther
25th May 2011, 18:06
This is exactly Eckhart Tolle is talking about. Most people think they are their thoughts and that's it. But we are consciousness and we have a body and we have thoughts. So most people are actually sleepwalking. Their minds control them. If you become more aware of the thoughts your ego shrinks and the consciousness grows. They can't live together. If you practise for a while your consciousness becomes aware of itself. But I must confess I'm still addicted to thinking :p.
I've read the 'Power of Now' and 'A new Earth'. That's why I ended up here. By reading his books I started using the right side of my brain. Instead of seeing all the tiny details in my own life I became aware (conscious) of what's happening in the world. Eckhart Tolle doesn't talk about the Illuminati or 2012 (only if people ask). He is really living in the now, his thoughts reduced by 80%. He doesn't need to acquire more knowledge to become 'happy' somewhere in the 'future'. Life is working through him and everything will work out fine. That's the paradox. Most people 'need time' to understand there is nothing else than this moment.
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