With Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

I've spent the last 30 days with Jordan Maxwell, who's on an extended European trip - and it's been a huge privilege to have spent so much intensive personal time with the great man.

For various reasons, we decided between us to keep his visit very low key... one of which is that we've just returned from the Vatican, where Jordan had never actually been. It was the highlight of his trip, and everything was recorded on video. Enjoy this provocative trailer here (which is sure to get him into big trouble :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQWZnWRN2HU

http://projectavalon.net/Jordan_Maxwell_Vatican.jpg

[ExHaLaTiON]

love the music, cant wait !

[HORIZONS]

He tells it like it is - the full vid should be good. Who did the music?

[shiva777]

the vatican is built over a stargate access point as well as being a cover for un underground base access point..black magic through the Obelisk there and unholy ceremony is about to reap it's karma..watch as the Vatican gets exposed and disempowered as the timelines in which they harnessed the grids and frequencies of our planet are cleared and their energy siphoning system fails to feed them anymore.

There is so much more to what is going on than I think Maxwell is aware of,although he does share great info he has the attitude that these vatican/illuminati clowns still have a lot of power (as is obvious from previous vids with him)...Maxwell comes from things from a very mental level and he doesn't have access to the higher sensory perceptions around what is going on with collapsing timelines and energetic grid infusions and changes...watch as things unfo0ld in much more positive ways than Maxwell will no doubt share in the coming vids from him.

[lunaflare]

hey shiva777, intriguing post and i agree that this drama will unfurl in positive ways...

maybe you can go into greater depth regarding your knowledge of collapsing timelines and energetic grid infusion changes...or at least, where this info can be sourced?
sounds like a well crafted Stargate SG1 "script", which i would like to experience with fuller knowledge...

[thedot]

Dear Bill, as far as I understand, it's thanks to you that Jordan Maxwell had this opportunity to visit the Vatican. Thank you so much!

[shiva777]

as you can imagine this isn't a simple topic to talk about...Ashayana Deane will no doubt address these issues in her upcoming video with Kerry Cassidy.Check out www.keylonticdictionary.org for lots of technical aspects around collapsing timelines and the SCIENCE of ascension info the PHYSICS of ascension are explained thereLisa Renee from www.energeticsynthesis.com speaks alot aboot this in her newsletters and many share their insights in her forum around these issues...Lauren Gorgo and quite a few others are also picking up on this..there are multitudes of beings working on rehabiltating the hologram CONCIOUSLY at this time,this is what manystarseeds here to do...most are still not aware that their Higher aspects are doing soul retrieval work 24/7 for all the souls being released at this time from collapsed timelines...as you can imagine these things are being sensed by many,including me and once you can sense this you realise that so many of the conspiracy/prophecy people are trapped in their own mental projections and could do with some more inner work so they don't get mislead by their MENTAL investigations...on the surface things look nasty.like Maxwell explains,but underneath you can FEEL that the "controllers" are freaking out as their power is being drained..
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some relevent threads in thsi forum

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1016-Ashayana-Deane-2012-the-hidden-human-dilemma-and-MUCH-more....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2000-Lisa-Renee-May-ascension-update

[grannyfranny100]

I hope I can handle the complete video without vomiting. Trips (40 years ago) to the Vatican and one of the 365 Catholic Churches in Bahia, Brasil were nauseating. One church in Bahia was totally coated in gold inside while the impoverished Catholic population outside was in rags. Buying one's way into heaven was and is a disgusting concept.

Jordan Maxwell brings intellectually stimulating insight to occult inner workings, yet I am surprised that better educated classes couldn't see the evil just from the contrast of the church's riches and its adherents' poverty.

I look forward to Maxwell's symbolic links before and after the founding of the Catholic Church.

Thanks Bill; I am sure it will be quite a video.

[Mu2143]

I like the song in this video , What is the name and title of that song!!

O and remember the only spiritual power the Vatican has is deception and yes the Bible is part of the Vatican's plan. Who ever came here 2000 years ago was here to teach you the way and not a religion(control). It became a religion later when it was rewritten for there own agenda. The very first thing they do is change the name of the person who was teaching the way, so you can hardly trace it back to the original. The original is in the hand of the Vatican and all other real history of the other worlds like Sumeria . Which is similar in structure what you now know as America today.

[jem284]

Hi Bill
I would really like to know what that music at the end of your trailer video of Jordon Maxwell is.
I loved it and would like to hear more.
Thank you
Patty :)

[josie]

awesome trailer, cant wait for the rest... thank you my friend! appreciate your good work

josie

[Shane_Original]

Excellent. This will be very interesting, indeed.

Thank you Bill.

in light, of love
Shaynard

[Dragonfly]

Brilliant trailer - thank you for publishing Bill!

Love & Peace
Dragonfly

[Snowbird]

Whoa Bill, Jordan Maxwell is a walking powerhouse of valuable information, greatly needed by humanity at this time in history. I can tell by the trailer that he was deeply affected by his first visit to the Vatican.

This interview will be difficult for those whose lives and religious beliefs have been centered around the RCC. JM will most likely unravel cherishly held convictions and he will present historical proofs that when studied, are very hard to ignore and will be most likely, jaw-dropping :jaw:.

I agree that the music is wonderful and I would love to know who is performing.

[zeca61]

Thanks Bill for the trailers.
Jordan Maxwell is always very welcome and one of my favorite speakers.
Bill, please avoid cutting or editing too much on the final video and try to preserve as much original material as you can.
Did you film Jordan Maxwell only at the Vatican? Any other interview during the european trip?
Also will be interesting seeing you talking or being interviewed as well during the trip.

[BrianEn]

Can't wait to see the full interview.

[sunnyrap]

OK, now I am confused, Bill. Manly P. Hall was a Mason-Rosicrucian of the highest level (I just watched this long series by Bill Schoen , here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDaonoWq-2o&feature=related in which he tells all about it, including Manly P. Hall's contribution to them), and he's Jordan's 'close personal friend'? (via Jordan's own YouTube asking for research assistance on all the materials left to him, personally by Manly P. Hall, here: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaZebra

I've read posts indicating that J.M. is in fact associated with the Masons/Illuminati. This would seem to underscore those assertions.

[RedeZra]

OK, now I am confused, Bill. Manly P. Hall was a Mason-Rosicrucian of the highest level and he's Jordan's 'close personal friend'?



no need to be confused

the Curch is divided from the top down

it has been infiltrated

the Church is not all rotten tho they want you to believe that



here is a little anecdote about Pope Leo XIII from wikipedia

Pope Leo XIII was climbing the steps to the altar when he suddenly stopped stared fixedly at something in the air and with a terrible look on his face collapsed to the floor

When asked what had happened he explained that he suddenly heard voices - two voices
one kind and gentle the other guttural and harsh

They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:

The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord:
"I can destroy your Church."
The gentle voice of Our Lord: "You can? Then go ahead and do so."
Satan: "To do so, I need more time and more power."
Our Lord: "How much time? How much power?"
Satan: "75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service."
Our Lord: "You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will"



google Malachi Martin and the “Enemy Within”

Be Informed!

Investigate what's really going on and don't swallow hook line and sinker from just one source

[sunnyrap]

I understand very well the church has been infiltrated. EVERYTHING has been infiltrated. And yet, I maintain there is much truth in biblical teachings and experience the power of faith in those teachings daily. What I'm confused by is Jordan's close association with Manly P. Hall when he overtly sets himself against all things ptb/illuminati and Bill's warm personal attachment to Jordan. What's going on here...

[RedeZra]

I understand very well the church has been infiltrated. EVERYTHING has been infiltrated. And yet, I maintain there is much truth in biblical teachings and experience the power of faith in those teachings daily. What I'm confused by is Jordan's close association with Manly P. Hall when he overtly sets himself against all things ptb/illuminati and Bill's warm personal attachment to Jordan. What's going on here...


you understand well

understand that I would take Jordanus interpretation of the Bible to the Bank

where all the fictional fiats are




here a passage from Malachi Martin's The Keys of This Blood


" Most frighteningly for [Pope] John Paul [II], he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia — rites and practices — was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites. "

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Thanks again bill. Know your efforts are appreciated.

[Sentience]

Wow Jordan is certainly pulling no punches in that trailer. I have a feeling this is going to be one explosive interview!

The music is haunting, Perfect choice for the video!

[theguardian]

Hi Bill, Nice Music ;),
cant wait for the full interviews;

Peace & Light

[Dragonfly]

Hi all! According to my iPhone musicanalyzer Shazam, the artist of the stunningly beautiful music is Yanni - track title: prelude. It's the version with Nostalgia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79esEAO7kk

InJoy:-)

Love & Peace
Dragonfly

[shiva777]

Fry gives a good speech on just SOME of what the catholic church has done ,,,also I recommend bookmarking this page for daily alternative news from Icke's team

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

[Snowbird]

Hi all! According to my iPhone musicanalyzer Shazam, the artist of the stunningly beautiful music is Yanni - track title: prelude. It's the version with Nostalgia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79esEAO7kk

InJoy:-)

Love & Peace
Dragonfly

Yanni? Gosh, why am I not at all surprised?

Thanks Dragonfly. You have performed a very good deed, indeed!

[Snowbird]

Fry gives a good speech on just SOME of what the catholic church has done ,,,also I recommend bookmarking this page for daily alternative news from Icke's team

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines

This was quite an impassioned speech and I have to admit that I applaud what Fry has said.

[Tuza]

the vatican is built over a stargate access point as well as being a cover for un underground base access point..black magic through the Obelisk there and unholy ceremony is about to reap it's karma..watch as the Vatican gets exposed and disempowered as the timelines in which they harnessed the grids and frequencies of our planet are cleared and their energy siphoning system fails to feed them anymore.

There is so much more to what is going on than I think Maxwell is aware of,although he does share great info he has the attitude that these vatican/illuminati clowns still have a lot of power (as is obvious from previous vids with him)...Maxwell comes from things from a very mental level and he doesn't have access to the higher sensory perceptions around what is going on with collapsing timelines and energetic grid infusions and changes...watch as things unfo0ld in much more positive ways than Maxwell will no doubt share in the coming vids from him.

Excellent, excellent post shiva777; I don't know much about you, do you have a website. I have to know more about you, there is usually a darn good reason for when I get that.

If we could get more from you on this whole vatican thing I would appreciate it. Yes to everything you said above. Great post again.

[jem284]

hi all! According to my iPhone musicanalyzer Shazam, the artist of the stunningly beautiful music is Yanni - track title: prelude. It's the version with Nostalgia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U79esEAO7kk

InJoy:-)

Love & Peace
Dragonfly



Thank you so much Dragonfly!!
it's so beautiful
:)

[RedeZra]

as you can imagine this isn't a simple topic to talk about...Ashayana Deane will no doubt address these issues in her upcoming video with Kerry Cassidy.Check out www.keylonticdictionary.org for lots of technical aspects around collapsing timelines and the SCIENCE of ascension info the PHYSICS of ascension are explained there


so what are you saying shiva

same as Ashayana

any thoughts of your own

or content to believe whatever she channels

what if she is all in it for the money

[G.Deluca]

waiting for the full interview here, good job bill
vatican city is really mysterious,i don't know if it's a stargat and where this secret entrance would be but it makes feel uneasy just being there,and it's not the only place in italy

[Manifestor]

OK, now I am confused, Bill. Manly P. Hall was a Mason-Rosicrucian of the highest level (I just watched this long series by Bill Schoen , here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDaonoWq-2o&feature=related in which he tells all about it, including Manly P. Hall's contribution to them), and he's Jordan's 'close personal friend'? (via Jordan's own YouTube asking for research assistance on all the materials left to him, personally by Manly P. Hall, here: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaZebra

I've read posts indicating that J.M. is in fact associated with the Masons/Illuminati. This would seem to underscore those assertions.

masons are not evil. jordan maxwell knows that. manly p hall was a intelligent and enlightend man who had only the best intentions for humanity. listen to him and find out for yourself if he is evil: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1623-Manly-Palmer-Hall-Lectures

[Jacqui D]

Jordan Maxwell is an excellent speaker of all things related to illuminati, coming from a mafia family like he did, and he has admitted this on previous interviews, i am taken back a little with the statement about manly P. Hall. It just makes you feel a little uncomfortable when these type of friendships are revealed.
I have enjoyed previous interviews and the knowledge Jordan has is in depth we take what we feel from these videos to be the truth but how can really define whether what is being said is for our benefit or to confuse.

I have to agree with shiva regarding stargates many do not understand that earths grids and stargates are much more important on these sites and yes although Jordan can tell you much about illuminti agendas perhaps the true nature of the vatican may be way over his head.
I will be looking forward to this interview to see what he has to say and thank you Bill.

[Beren]

Honestly I do no trust Maxwell too much but hey, whom you can trust these days?

But he struck the cord with good sentence quoting Jesus about his kingdom not being of this world.
Indeed all that Vatican represent is NOT of Jesus Christ and God , however they claim that and they exploit Christ's words and with a lot of bending twisting and adding to them , they rule masses.

And at the end , higher things here are none at all about religion or people or planet Earth.
It's all about ancient lust for power, unlimited power.

Again it reminded me how this meme is repeating in movies and here and there Hollywood shows bits and pieces of truth.
Like that scene from Star Wars III when Sith in a form of Palpatine flashes energy power to kill Jedi Windu screaming : " Power!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!! "

And in the process his body deteriorates into ugly creature...Funny how Lucas showed us that since all this talk about reptillians and rest... they WERE once beings of light but awfully twisted they became in their quest for power. Utterly lost before Creator. They chose that.

It's all about that regarding Vatican - unlimited power minus Jedi and sith story...

[Baelsfire]

im looking forward to watching the full interview, and of David Icke!

I think people should remember that being a Mason or a Rosicrucian (or a catholic or muslim, etc) does not immediately make that person some kind of evil. That kind of ignorance is the fore-runner of all sorts of ignorance like racism, religious hate, etc. You have to remember a great deal of information people have comes from people in these groups and societies who genuinely want to give people of the world the best, but member of secret society or not, all people are fallible to some extent, right? Don't get me wrong, im sure what im saying can be flip reserved too, but i think one of the biggest problem people have at first with gatekeepers of knowledge is that they are denied knowledge. Well i know for a fact there are people going to massive lengths to make sure you get this knowledge and its only logical to assume that it comes from within.

[777]

Jordan Maxwell is an excellent speaker of all things related to illuminati, coming from a mafia family like he did, and he has admitted this on previous interviews, i am taken back a little with the statement about manly P. Hall. It just makes you feel a little uncomfortable when these type of friendships are revealed.


MP Hall is a very enlightened man. He has perpetually divulged a great deal of esoteric teachings that were presumably supposed to remain just that....esoteric. His Secret Teachings of All Ages pulls no punches at all and goes heavily into almost all esotericism I'm aware of. I can understand their friendship just as I can understand that not everyone involved in secret fraternities is an evil person. The fact that he's always gone public is great!

REALLY looking forward to this video. The Vatican is a particular gripe of mine....

[RedeZra]

But he struck the cord with good sentence quoting Jesus about his kingdom not being of this world.

Indeed all that Vatican represent is NOT of Jesus Christ and God , however they claim that and they exploit Christ's words and with a lot of bending twisting and adding to them , they rule masses.



perhaps too hasty Beren


Jordan says that Jesus said

My Kingdom is not part of this world

but Jesus said

My Kingdom is not of this world


there is a significant difference in these two statements


Jordan makes it sound like Christ has forsaken the world

but He has not

He established the Church as a Holy place of Communion


as a retreat and a refuge from the snares seductions and persecutions of the world

the simple survival and success of the Church is nothing short of a miracle


the modern invention of communism massacred millions of christians

the nightmare of capitalism sacrifices millions of poor people from all denominations


sure the Church suffers from incompetence corruption mistakes

but what can one expect from mere mortals born into this world

inflicted with pride and ambitions seeking power and wealth seduced by the whisperings of Hades

ignoramuses ascends to positions of power everywhere all the time


our generation is witnessing an unprecedented infestation of the Church

problem reaction solution

if you can't destroy it then join and subvert it

infiltrate the Church divert the doctrines abuse the choire boys and then point the sticky fingers at the Church

the abusers and the deviators are catholic in name only

they are double agents of the dark


things are not what they seem

one really has to dig deep to strike gold


the Church might fall but if so it will be raised again

just like Christ

[sunnyrap]

Quote:

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain ..." ["The Lost Keys of Freemasonry", by Manly P. Hall, 33° Freemason, p. 48; Emphasis added]


I simply cannot see how anyone can assume this man was not completely amoral: "Great Men are Great Monsters" ~ you are kidding yourself if you think this man did not use, and use ruthlessly, the power he so assiduously studied...and I think that happens nearly mechanistically with anyone who studies or associates with it...

Excerpt from: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/atlantida_mu/esp_atlanteanheritage03.htm

The book The Secret Teachings of All Ages is inarguably Hall’s finest accomplishment - written as a literal encyclopedia of all the great truths that he or any other members of these societies were willing to reveal. And within that subset, Hall has quite a lot to say. Once we begin putting in all the other pieces, we will see that Hall’s information is far more than adequate for recombining the true picture of the Atlantean Mysteries. Indeed, one might argue that Hall’s works are truly one-of-a-kind, as there are but precious few examples of the insiders from the Secret Brotherhoods revealing this much within one sole document available to the public.

Hall’s book begins, paradoxically enough, with an enormous and perhaps even boring discussion of philosophers, from Greek to Roman right up through the present, and their widely contradictory ideas. In this discussion, we can clearly see how the unified knowledge of the Mysteries had already become widely dispersed, and everyone had their own theories based on what little they knew - and yet underneath it all, a common thread could be perceived. Certain philosophers such as Pythagoras actively sought to eliminate this problem by traveling far and wide to collect this scattered secret information from other areas.



By the end of the chapter, the reader is practically exhausted with the huge body of philosophical information that was presented, and at this point Hall comes clean with the hidden Masonic knowledge that he is in contact with, regarding the true secret origin of all philosophy. In this excerpt, he also touches upon the all-important concept of symbolism being used to convey information and hide truth from the uninitiated:

[Beren]

RedeZra, the way I see this thing is very similar with yours but let me clarify what I know;

Bible clearly states that God is a spirit and does not live in any building that men made. Church are we. The church turned into very thing Jesus spoke against when talking about scribes and pharisees .

Bible says that our body is a temple where God dwells with his holy spirit.

Now being a true church is a daily tough job. You got to constantly raise your level of awareness and being holy in your own life.
God only decides who is successful in this process.
With that in mind ,remember Christ`s words where he said that very few will find the right and narrow path that leads to heaven.

Why ?

Because it requires from each and everyone of us to lean only to god and Christ and have faith in them.
People have faith in money,other people,countries,their family,friends,technology, churches,religions but so few have actual faith in God.

But I ask , whom you put your faith when all is nothing compared to Creator?

But we are deceived and we actually do not have faith as humanity.
We constantly lean to worthless things as our aid and forsaking our only true helper- Almighty.

Just think - Almighty can be your aid...
What can you ask more???

But Almighty can not be fooled and corrupted.
And THAT`s exactly the reason why majority have not faith in God.
It requires your responsibility . Almighty has prepared for humans things that we simply can not imagine in their splendor and beauty and CERTAINLY will NOT give that to irresponsible folk. Great value is never given to fool,thieves,ignorants,killers, and all sort of madness among people.

Now finally God is using Churches to attract people to at least peek into truth in his word. Then ,what will they do afterward- they only know,free will.
Still Churches hold Bible but they do not do according to it. However that does not dis counts Bible`s value.
It is a big test of free will choices, will you chose to look trough the veil and live or not...

Sadly Churches chose their path,trading with the world. With the very world that Christ stand against.

[Lyricus]

Funny how the great bells of the Vatican chime in around the 4.50min point in the video, kind of sets the scene for what Jordan is saying!

[Tommy]

Looking forward to see the final video, great work :)

[RedeZra]

Bible clearly states that God is a spirit and does not live in any building that men made.

Bible says that our body is a temple where God dwells with his holy spirit.




sure God dwells within everything
not only within humans


I like this passage from Jeremiah 23

"Am I only a God nearby,"
declares the LORD,
"and not a God far away?"

"Can anyone hide in secret places
so that I cannot see him?"
declares the LORD.
"Do not I fill heaven and earth?"
declares the LORD.

"I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, 'I had a dream! I had a dream!'
How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?
They think the dreams they tell one another will make my people forget my name, just as their fathers forgot my name through Baal worship."


as we can see God is much more than a dweller in our bodies

He is not confined within anything

Heaven is His throne and Earth is His footstool

so to say that the man made buildings sanctified to God is a place where God is not
is to say that God is everywhere except in the buildings dedicated to Him

this is simply not so

the presence of Christ is in ample amount in the churches especially during the Holy Mass

this is so

whether one believes it or not

[Enlightenment101]

OMg Bill, I cant wait to see this whole Video. I love Jordan Maxwell and Im pleased that you were able to spend time with him, Great Work, Love the Trailer and the Music was great too.

[Manifestor]

Quote:

"When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain ..." ["The Lost Keys of Freemasonry", by Manly P. Hall, 33° Freemason, p. 48; Emphasis added]


I simply cannot see how anyone can assume this man was not completely amoral: "Great Men are Great Monsters" ~ you are kidding yourself if you think this man did not use, and use ruthlessly, the power he so assiduously studied...and I think that happens nearly mechanistically with anyone who studies or associates with it...

:

I think you should read the book "Lost Keys of Freemasonry" by yourself. Here is a longer quote:
"Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy.....The hand that slays must lift the fallen, while the lips given to cursing must be taught to pray. The heart that hates must learn the mystery of compassion, as the result of a deeper and more perfect understanding of man’s relation to his brother.

I can understand why you think that Lucifer means something evil. Manly Palmer Hall uses the word Lucifer not as a synomym for Satan. Lucifer is the Lightbringer (Lucifer=latin Lux=light ferre=bringer) So when Manly P. Hall talks about Lucifers energy he means the awakening of the "snake". The awakened Kundalini. The catholic church told mankind that the snake is (d)evil. The awakened Kundalini brings you light=knowledge. And it is this knowledge and this luciferian engery which you have to use selfless.

[ViperHD]

so what are you saying shiva

same as Ashayana

any thoughts of your own

or content to believe whatever she channels

what if she is all in it for the money

Bravo!!! RedeZra

My feelings precisely.

[RedeZra]

Bible clearly states that God is a spirit and does not live in any building that men made. Church are we. The church turned into very thing Jesus spoke against when talking about scribes and pharisees .

Bible says that our body is a temple where God dwells with his holy spirit.


the Bible is a big Book

it's hard to remember everything in it

especially when trying to consolidate a seeming paradox about a subject


remember the Exodus at Mount Sinai

where God gave Moses specific instructions concerning the building of a Tabernacle in which He would dwell

the Tabernacle and the Cloud by Day and the Pillar of Fire by Night

"I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you.
I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people.
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high." - Leviticus 26:11-13


then after 400 years from the time of Moses and Exodus - King David says to Nathan the prophet

"Here I am, living in a palace of cedar, while the ark of God remains in a tent." - 2 Samuel 7

King David wants to build a magnificent temple to God

but God tells His prophet Nathan

"Go and tell my servant David, `Thus says the LORD: Would you build me a house to dwell in?
I have not dwelt in a house since the day I brought up the people of Israel from Egypt to this day, but I have been moving about in a tent for my dwelling.
In all places where I have moved with all the people of Israel, did I speak a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, saying,
"Why have you not built me a house of cedar?"'

" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you:
When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom.
He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men.
But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you.
Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.' " - 2 Samuel 7

God foretells about a future King from David's line and the establishment of the Church of Christ

did God actually dwell in the Temple of Solomon

Yes He Did

a potent portion of the Spirit of God actually dwelt in the Temple of Solomon

"When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple.
The priests could not enter the temple of the LORD because the glory of the LORD filled it.
When all the Israelites saw the fire coming down and the glory of the LORD above the temple, they knelt on the pavement with their faces to the ground, and they worshiped and gave thanks to the LORD, saying, "He is good; his love endures forever." - 2 Chronicles 7


what did young Jesus age 12 say when His parents found Him in the Second Temple

"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" - Luke 2:49

why would Jesus be so infuriated about the money-changers in the Temple if He didn't think it sacred


because of the passion and gospel of Christ

every man woman and child

can relate to God in his and her own special way

meaning it's not necessary for all to attend churches

but many do in fact want and need that

and everyone is not as spiritually mature as maybe one likes to think

God is within but He is also everywhere

also in the churches especially during the Mass

[Curative]

Shiva mentioned this video in an earlier post in this thread but the link points to DI's current news. So for those who have not yet seen it here is Stephen Fry eloquently telling his truth about the Catholic church, don't miss it. Jordon would be impressed.

http://ovo127.com/2010/02/09/stephen-fry-the-intelligence2-debates/

[sunnyrap]

My understanding is that Lucifer was the brightest of all the angels and the closest to the creator God. But he was not God and so lacked God's total knowledge-understanding. Guess it's that little bit you missed in class that always bites you on the bum...


And I fail to see how the 'illumined' ones could be misunderstood benificents ...they've have had their hands on the steering wheel for the past several decades (arguably longer) and I just don't see any evidence of the oppressed getting 'lifted up' on their watch. Quite to the contrary, as witnessed by most all of the P. C. material, every group, society, and country where they've taken over or at least exerted their influence, that group has been pushed into abject poverty, disease, disarray and destroyed.

And kindly point me to stories where, when once the initiate's kundalini has been raised, the happy recipient runs out and starts rescuing humanity from their own folly?

[Manifestor]

My understanding is that Lucifer was the brightest of all the angels and the closest to the creator God. But he was not God and so lacked God's total knowledge-understanding. Guess it's that little bit you missed in class that always bites you on the bum...


And I fail to see how the 'illumined' ones could be misunderstood benificents ...they've have had their hands on the steering wheel for the past several decades (arguably longer) and I just don't see any evidence of the oppressed getting 'lifted up' on their watch. Quite to the contrary, as witnessed by most all of the P. C. material, every group, society, and country where they've taken over or at least exerted their influence, that group has been pushed into abject poverty, disease, disarray and destroyed.

And kindly point me to stories where, when once the initiate's kundalini has been raised, the happy recipient runs out and starts rescuing humanity from their own folly?

you are right. lucifer was the brightest of all angels (stars) and the closest to the creator(sun). I`m sure you know that lucifer is also a synonym for the star venus, the morning star. you are right, he is not god, but the closest to him. he is a way to bring you closer to god. sometimes he will bring you to god. BUT people can also have awakened kundalini`s without understanding of their own nature. freemasonry is designed to make you a better person. a person that would never harm another being.
the "illuminated" ones are not misunderstood benificents, if you are refering to the "illuminati". they use "black magic" to stay in controll.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Freshtymer#p/c/AAD4E0434951C3E2/0/KTFowSfFC6A
but the group which we call "illuminati" are not the same as freemasons!

if you really believe that an awakened kundalini is something bad than you should study (kundalini-)yoga or taoyin. all enlightened masters had and have an awakened kundalini. you can have an awakened kundalini without being enlightened, but you can not achieve enlightenment without the awakening of the kundalini. if you want a story, just read the story of any enlightened teacher.

[muxfolder]

This should be interesting.:)

[Firinn]

Shiva mentioned this video in an earlier post in this thread but the link points to DI's current news. So for those who have not yet seen it here is Stephen Fry eloquently telling his truth about the Catholic church, don't miss it. Jordon would be impressed.

http://ovo127.com/2010/02/09/stephen-fry-the-intelligence2-debates/


The whole debate can be viewed here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?631-At-the-Vatican-Up-Against-the-World&p=19532&viewfull=1#post19532

With love,
Firrin

[777]

The whole debate can be viewed here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?631-At-the-Vatican-Up-Against-the-World&p=19532&viewfull=1#post19532

With love,
Firrin

Thankyou so much for this, absolutely brilliant link!!

[Baelsfire]

Some great posts here

! ++Kudos for the link to the Stephen Fry vid "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH'S PREJUDICE IS HYPOCRITICAL AND ARROGANT"

[East Sun]

For some reason I just do not get good vibes from this guy. I can't put my finger on it but that is how I feel every time I see or hear him. Right or wrong, that's how I feel.

[Baelsfire]

@Eastsun - Maybe the nature of the subject matter? Have you seen any of FreemanTV ? Jordans information tied in a lot of what i came to realise/ know regarding the Occult, and of our sovereignty re: law of seas (look up Robert: Menard, John: Harris, Michael Tsarion etc) and other things...

[East Sun]

Bealsfire. I have long said that I am a Christ-ian and not a follower of any religion. I know the Church has, almost form the beginning, laid down their version of Christianity. A far cry from what Jesus taught and showed by example. Maybe their intention was good and they had to deal with the ways of the wicked world. When things became savage they responded in like manner in a worldly way. If they had not who knows what would have happened. In the long run they imo strayed way off the path, as Christian denominations do. I'm "sure" that there is more going on regarding manipulation of the masses than we can see. And that includes manipulations all the way up to the pullers of the strings. I resent the secrecy and treating followers as if they were not capable of understanding, so should be kept in line. I left that long ago.
I know that anyone can take quotes from the bible and weave their own thinking around them. It's just interpretation.
At some point each person grows, or would benefit from, reaching a point of being their own person, listening to all, and deciding independently.
Again, for what ever reason I get a bad feeling from JM. If someone else said the same things, I might have a different reaction. Maybe in time it will all not matter at all.

[lightblue]

for some reason I just do not get good vibes from this guy. I can't put my finger on it but that is how I feel every time I see or hear him. Right or wrong, that's how I feel.

same here

i can't work out what his objective is - except alleging the catholic church usurped and carries on witholding precious books from the public; engaging in the occult and comitting atrocities against non-compliant humanity throughout history...but that's not anything new as such...and what does he propose?

he strikes me as a very confused and frightened individual who often says "do your own homework"...i don't relate well to instructions like that...i'd like to know what is it he proposes before commiting to doing any homework as advised by himself or anyone...

his grasp of etymology is very loose...i think he would do better by doing some homework in that area himself..all this based on the existing interviews/lectures...it may well be that his work progressed since and that i am making an unfair comment...

we'll see from this new interview..best wishes :lazy2: l

[onawah]

For some reason I just do not get good vibes from this guy. I can't put my finger on it but that is how I feel every time I see or hear him. Right or wrong, that's how I feel.

I get the same feeling, and I think it's due to the fact that we become reflections in part of what we are focusing on. The more we focus on what the dark side is doing, the more we get filled up with that energy and need to release it and fill ourselves with Light. I appreciate the scholarly devotion that JM has displayed throughout his life, and the great light he has shown on the actions of the dark side, but I think he needs to focus more on the light side. It can get sick-making, after awhile, and needs balancing, at the very least. The darker the subject matter, the more light you need to focus on and bring in to replace the negative impressions such study can make on your psyche!

[East Sun]

same here

i can't work out what his objective is - except alleging the catholic church usurped and carries on witholding precious books from the public; engaging in the occult and comitting atrocities against non-compliant humanity throughout history...but that's not anything new as such...and what does he propose?

he strikes me as a very confused and frightened individual who often says "do your own homework"...i don't relate well to instructions like that...i'd like to know what is it he proposes before commiting to doing any homework as advised by himself or anyone...

his grasp of etymology is very loose...i think he would do better by doing some homework in that area himself..all this based on the existing interviews/lectures...it may well be that his work progressed since and that i am making an unfair comment...

we'll see from this new interview..best wishes :lazy2: l

Yes, what does he propose. He's looking for people to volunteer to do his work for him. I'll listen to everyone through curiosity. Sometimes I just get a bad feeling about someone--we all do, and I could be wrong. Maybe time will tell, but having said that, things like that seem to go on for ever.

[East Sun]

I get the same feeling, and I think it's due to the fact that we become reflections in part of what we are focusing on. The more we focus on what the dark side is doing, the more we get filled up with that energy and need to release it and fill ourselves with Light. I appreciate the scholarly devotion that JM has displayed throughout his life, and the great light he has shown on the actions of the dark side, but I think he needs to focus more on the light side. It can get sick-making, after awhile, and needs balancing, at the very least. The darker the subject matter, the more light you need to focus on and bring in to replace the negative impressions such study can make on your psyche!

onawan, I think you're right about those who zero in on the dark side of things. We do become what we think as my hero Edgar Cayce pointed out. Intending great things by a lot of people does make a difference. More and more people are beginning to see that. Individually, I have found at last, that positive thinking keeps us healthy in every way.

[Strat]

This will be interesting. I've been to the vatican twice and the strangest thing I noticed was the winged skeleton holding an hour glass over the door leading to the Saint Peter's tomb.

When I went to the vatican I didn't know about these kind of things so I looked at everything from the standard FoxNews perspective. I'd love to go again now that I'm more familiar with symbolism, I imagine there are more things that would catch my eye.

[Yona]

Dear Bill
I will be watching this video, thanks to you and Maxwell Jordan

[East Sun]

This will be interesting. I've been to the vatican twice and the strangest thing I noticed was the winged skeleton holding an hour glass over the door leading to the Saint Peter's tomb.

When I went to the vatican I didn't know about these kind of things so I looked at everything from the standard FoxNews perspective. I'd love to go again now that I'm more familiar with symbolism, I imagine there are more things that would catch my eye.

The most interesting thing to me is the huge pineal gland symbol mentioned in one of David Wilcox's vidios. I have not been to the Vatican but there is info to be found re those symbols.

[Peace of Mind]

The vid is still not ready? hmm
I’m a little skeptical when it comes to some of these Whistleblowers testimonies because they present nothing but talk, no substance, no material facts…just words that any gifted script writer can put together for a Hollywood blockbuster. If any of these accounts are real they seem to be taking them rather lightly in these interviews, I don’t detect a real sense of urgency at all.

Also,If they are real, I know I wouldn’t be able to thank them enough for the heads up, but I will join in the fight to save the people…once I know what I’m dealing with. That’s what most of us want to do, but it seems we are being strung along in hopes of selling a few books or to create a certain type of mind set for the followers.

Now, the last time I watch Maxwell speak he told a story about a large reptile walking out of a closet (in an Army Base) scaring the daughter of a high ranking officer. I don’t know how much of his stories are true, but what creates doubt in my mind is how evasive he was to certain questions, and the lack of details in his stories. I’m still looking to hear more of his theories on symbolism, He once said he knew the secrets to Obama’s campaign symbol and said he will reveal them in a later interview…I'm still waiting (or did I missed that particular interview). I probably wouldn’t care if he didn’t make such a big fuss about it being so dangerous.

He kind of contradicts himself too, at one moment he’s saying he haves no fear because there are aliens watching over him and than later says he can’t reveal much details because the governments will bring harm to him and his family. I suspect this video will be carefully edited….seeing how it’s taking a while for it to be released.

In any case, I wish all well,
And thanks Bill Ryan

Peace

[Baelsfire]

Good post Onwah - my own experience confirms what you said! :)


I get the same feeling, and I think it's due to the fact that we become reflections in part of what we are focusing on. The more we focus on what the dark side is doing, the more we get filled up with that energy and need to release it and fill ourselves with Light. I appreciate the scholarly devotion that JM has displayed throughout his life, and the great light he has shown on the actions of the dark side, but I think he needs to focus more on the light side. It can get sick-making, after awhile, and needs balancing, at the very least. The darker the subject matter, the more light you need to focus on and bring in to replace the negative impressions such study can make on your psyche!

[Rimbaud]

Thanks for that Baelsfire...a deeply erudite comment if I may say so.

Rimbaud

[ronbono57]

Hi Shiva I agree with Lunaflare and would love to read more in depth information regarding the Vatican.

[THIRDEYE]

hello bill!!!! hey when do you expect the full interview with you and jordan on you trip?i hope soon with love light and abumdance....thirdeye

[Arpheus]

Hey bill i know you been busy with all of the oil spill stuff and all,but will this interview ever be posted at all?Can you at least give us an ETA on it for the near future hehe?

[ronbono57]

When is the full video being released??????

[THIRDEYE]

bill hows it going i hope well,bill got aquestion for ya do you for see a near futre documentry vid while you and maxwell were in europe,if so when i just enjoy maxwell so much and you of coures too....love light and abundance ....thirdeye....

[MariaDine]

Steven Fry speach at the Conference about the Catholic Church is great. Thank you Firinn for the link.
He manages to dive straight for the throat :fencing: , so to speak, as he unveils the «corruption» of Christ message by most of the important members of that institution.

[Alifun]

Waiting for video as well!
In my opinion its very important to have smooth and welcoming melody accompanying the video. Like Yanni's Prelude that was used in trailer video.

[Lost Soul]

Did I miss it? I can only find the trailer.

BTW Bill Ryan and Project Camelot, thank you for your hard work in bringing light into the world.

[Lee-B]

What's the big hold up? I think an update from Bill would be wise.

[ronbono57]

After 8 months of editing this should be good!

[str8thinker]

Bill can you tell us what's happening with this one, please?

[ExHaLaTiON]

something is holding it back, thats for sure!

[Teakai]

Maybe Jordan Maxwell is having a change of heart?

I know he's already said damning things about the vatican - but maybe there's some really revealing expose on the video and he's a bit worried about it airing.

Can't really see any other version, unless Bill lost the tape and he doesn't want to tell us.
:jaw:

[neptuneforce]

'Nasty Prisms Good Sir'

[irishspirit]

I watch this today again for the second time at work (yes, the joys off management, you can do these things) and I have to say, this gets better and better each time I watch. Bill, thank you for bringing these two truly amazing, and educated in what matters men together.

I set in amazement watching this. I even managed to convert one of my work friends into an Icke/Maxwell fan.

Thanks again Bill.

Be Safe

Irish

[George Hilton]

I can't wait to see the full length version of Jordan Maxwell talking at the Vatican. He certainly has the right background and years of learning experience to have made a great dialogue at such a unique location. I may be greedy ;) and I understand these things take time to edit but it would be great to also see the definitive Credo Mutwa documentary you're preparing. Can't wait for the radio show on the 19th with Mr Wilcock also!!! So much good stuff soon to come our way!!! ;)

[Isserley]

I think the problem is that the video on the Vatican could created too many problems for Bill and Jordan.. I'm sorry but I see no other reason why the video is not yet published.

[Sensual One]

Bill, do you have any idea when this project will see the light of day?

[Binaryspellbook]

I cannot take anything this man Jordan Maxwell says as truth. Especially not after watching the movie "Debunking Jordan Maxwell." It is clearly obvious that this man's work is polluted. Even if I agree with certain aspects of his work, it must all be suspect since he has been shown to be a cunning and manipulative liar. Watch the video, he's not only an idiot, but he seems to think that we are beyond idiocy when he presents such obvious tripe.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3119679914965262207#

[Bill Ryan]

he has been shown to be a cunning and manipulative liar.

I don't think that's been 'shown'! :)

But his etymology (origin of words and terms) is certainly suspect, and in some cases is total nonsense: there's no other way to put it.

I've told him that personally earlier this year, and have recommended to him that he shouldn't stress his (sometimes unresearched) notions of etymology in his presentations, as they're so easy to check: a few minutes Googling will often reveal a word's true origins, which are sometimes not at all what Jordan believes.

But in my opinion, this in no way represents the core of Jordan's work over 40 years, which is important and valuable inasmuch as he's pointed out a great deal of material which, without his work, we'd be far more unaware of - and which we'd be smart to take a very close look at. This is the value of his contribution.

At 41:00 (approx) Chris White, the narrator/critic, lays out his own stall, which is that all ETs are in league with the NWO. I certainly don't believe this is the case at all.

I heard many of Jordan's extraordinary experiences with my own ears (and recorded one 'sealed interview' with him only to be released upon his death). There's no doubt that he did have these experiences - and very many of them, as well.

To conclude, note that Chris White is also a fundamentalist Christian who is offended by Jordan's claims, which is part of his motivation: he has also made videos attacking David Icke.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QLBDEKB1ZM


Bill, do you have any idea when this project will see the light of day?

Sometime next year - I hope!

[Fredkc]

BinarySB;
whatever you decide about Jordan Maxwell, please do it based upon something other than , Chris White. The man is not a credible source.
Here is a link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9107-David-Icke-Debunked-%28Full-Movie%29&highlight=chris+white) to the a thread about the hit job he did on Icke. To quote myself, there:
...it seems like a rather desperate attempt at associating Icke with everything from NWO, possession, fairies, demons, and psychosis, to bad drugs. THEN he tries to make a case that none of this exists. From what little I've read of him, even David Icke himself isn't this convoluted. And frankly, I speak to Jesus nearly every day, and he has yet to mention Chris White.

You would think a person with this much energy might spend a little time on what he does believe. Maybe next time.

[lightblue]

I've told him that personally earlier this year, and have recommended to him that he shouldn't stress his (sometimes unresearched) notions of etymology in his presentations, as they're so easy to check: a few minutes Googling will often reveal a word's true origins, which are sometimes not at all what Jordan believes.


i think you're kinder then necessary - not only that his etymology is laughable, it in effect is dangerously misleading as he does not shun from making conclusions based on that ignorance...and before you know where he started from , he's long gone into proposing some "devious" doing to do with this and that...he most often remains mysterious, crafty enough to never make anything sound concrete..instead, he famously likes to say "do your own research" ...in other words: "do your own research and let me know, cos i don't get it just yet, but trust me, i will get it one day, because i've been chosen to spread the word far and wide.." this is what i hear when i listen to him talk...

i tried listening to the interview again, but no - how could i give attention to someone who claims to be protected by the council of 33 top masons..:blink:..he then, in a run up to minute 23 carries on to describe how he himself had in fact been "placed" at the table by someone else, someone his contact was in touch some 20 years previously...strange scanario - if true, he is a victim of some extreme mind control mechanism whereby he is nothing but a sorry puppet in someone elses's hands..just WHAT on earth is going on there?

i think he is a: :wacko: i am afraid... l

.

[Binaryspellbook]

BinarySB;
whatever you decide about Jordan Maxwell, please do it based upon something other than , Chris White. The man is not a credible source.
Here is a link (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9107-David-Icke-Debunked-%28Full-Movie%29&highlight=chris+white) to the a thread about the hit job he did on Icke. To quote myself, there:

Hi Fred.

I decided quite some time ago that Jordan Maxwell was at best misleading, and at worst a complete fraud. Not based on work by Chris White. Rather based on what I can only describe as a gut instinct. The man simply makes my skin crawl. The video I came across by Chris White was when I became so irritated at Maxwell's farcical attempts at being a wordsmith I Googled "debunk and Maxwell."

As for White being a fundamentalist Christian. He may be. I don't know. However you don't have to be a fundamentalist Christian to realise that some buffoon trying to convince you that Jesus was anointed with semen is preposterous. I stand by my assertion that Maxwell's work must all be suspect. Since he has been shown to have been economical with the truth in some cases, and telling downright bare faced lies in others. I refuse to lend credence to a liar.

As for David Icke being hatcheted. I doubt if anyone could do a more thorough job than the UK gutter press embarked on. I am old enough to remember David as a sports commentator, and the absolute pillorying he got from that bunch of raggedy arsed tinker cow thieves. David, by his own admission was "all over the place" at that time, and perhaps some of the criticism was warranted. But Maxwell is a different kettle of fish altogether.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Raggedy arsed tinker cow thieves? You insult well enough lol.

But seriously, a few etymological slip-ups surely cannot invalidate a person's entire argument.

[Limor Wolf]

i have to agree with all of you and i am relieved to hear Bill's oppinion as well.i got to this conclusion a while ago that his etymology (thanks for the word) is absolutly not based,and understanding hebrew as mother tongue and familiar with biblical words some things just didn't sound quite right to me...
i did watch 'Debunking Jordan Maxwell' and needless to say there were some valid points there no matter who and what is Chriss white.

however,i wouldn't call any one an idiot.thats quite a bothersome word..

i was glad to watch the three tenors:) David icke,him and Bill ryan in their interesting conversation as it gave me a possibility to peek and get more intimacy look into Jordan-the person.
i did not see a liar there...maybe someone who believes that what he 'sells' is true.i also feel that his life story that he tells is true...i had some experiences on my own to know that some of those things are not legend..

[Binaryspellbook]

Raggedy arsed tinker cow thieves? You insult well enough lol.

But seriously, a few etymological slip-ups surely cannot invalidate a person's entire argument.

It's far more than a few slip ups Seikou. He's lying, and blatantly so. As for the insult aimed at the UK gutter press. In truth, it's a quote from Rob Roy. However I thought it was appropriate, if a little kind compared to what I really think about them. Not sure if Bill would allow me to post my true feelings.

[Bill Ryan]

As for the insult aimed at the UK gutter press. In truth, it's a quote from Rob Roy. However I thought it was appropriate, if a little kind compared to what I really think about them. Not sure if Bill would allow me to post my true feelings.


Raggedy arsed tinker cow thieves

I'd probably agree with you!

[Seikou-Kishi]

He might be lying, I'm not sure. I don't know how we could know of his intentions even if he was found to be factually wrong. Even if his own arguments are inconsistent and, perhaps, self-contradictory, there is a difference between choosing to consider him confused or purposefully deceptive. Either, though, is enough to discredit him, the one is just kinder than the other.

[shiva777]

much of what Maxwell says is PROVEN fact and some of it is BS...but pick any "insider" proj camelot/avalon have interviewed and you probably won't find as many facts that you can PROVE as you can with Maxwell...most insider testimony you need to just take at face value and use your own BS detector...Maxwell has connected the dots independently of David Icke and followed the trail of FACTS to pretty much the same conclusions as Icke..Maxwell has just let it sink in to his psyche a little too deeply without balancing those facts with facts about humanities power to overcome those forces.Icke is a lot more hopeful about the future but he has also fallen in to superficial new-agey "solutions"....their role is to bring awareness about how we got in to this situation and they must be commended for that..well,here's an interesting clip form Icke about the shapeshifting thingy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdRoQbq8RNo&feature=player_embedded#!

[lightblue]

LIMOR:
however,i wouldn't call any one an idio.thats quite a bothersome word..

words for words, idiots for idiots...idiots are only "bothersome" if they are excercising influence over non-idiots ..that's if by idiots you meant ignorants..

seriously , noone called anyone an idiot in this discussion...:no: l

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[Limor Wolf]

originally posted by lightblue:
"seriously , noone called anyone an idiot in this discussion... "

i believe someone did :)

"Watch the video, he's not only an idiot, but he seems to think that we are beyond idiocy..."

Binyarspellbook said
:"He's lying, and blatantly so..."

Bill's response (on a separate part of the sentence though) :
"I'd probably agree with you! "

Mmm...food for thought

[lightblue]

.


"Watch the video, he's not only an idiot, but he seems to think that we are beyond idiocy..."

in this instance, someone obviously did...my oversight...except for that line, "idiot" theme has not been run here ...i think it would be far fairer to have addressed the author of that particular line - if you find the characterisation "bothersome" ..

liar is not the same as idiot...so why use that example to support your notion? :yu: l

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[Seikou-Kishi]

Really, we should all strive to be idiots. It means "one's own man", used condescendingly to those without intelligence. Realistically, though, I cannot but agree with what Limor said; there's no use in calling somebody an idiot at all for one thing, a true idiot either wouldn't care or wouldn't believe it to be true. Slinging mud only messes the issue.

[3optic]

.Icke is a lot more hopeful about the future but he has also fallen in to superficial new-agey "solutions"[/url]!

He does a remarkable job of breaking down the mechanics of perception and the mind. Reminds me more of Yogis like Sri Nisargadatta. When we say "new age" are we talking about watered down Eastern philosophy or Occult ritual magic? commercialized manifestation techniques? Excessive hugging? The "truth vibration" idea may sound dubious but I like to think of it as a way of nudging people on to a more positive and enjoyable timeline to borrow from a concept that has received a lot of play on these forums.

Maxwell seems to be in a horrible tail spin. He's depressed, terrified. Love the material. Eagerly awaiting this video.

[Binaryspellbook]

i believe someone did :)

Yes Limor, I did call Jordan Maxwell an idiot. I apologise if anyone is offended by that. But if you cannot say what you mean, can you really mean what you say. We Scots tend to say what we mean.

Perhaps that is one of the reasons we are perceived on occasion to be a little terse, and perhaps a little abrasive. Whatever the reason is is certainly not malice.

I will nevertheless withdraw the word idiot. Irresponsible would in some ways have been a better choice of word. Jordan Maxwell should realise that the majority of his audience have an IQ higher than that of a soggy biscuit, and that he has a responsibility to present material that is properly researched. Not material plucked out of his bahookey and served up as fact.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill's response (on a separate part of the sentence though) :

"I'd probably agree with you!"

Read carefully! :)

I was referring to BSB's description of the 'gutter press' - his quote from Rob Roy.

Up! Get up, you bunch of ragged-arsed tinker cow thieves! This is Robert Roy McGregor come to reclaim the 32 beasts stolen from His Lordship James Graham... Marquis of Montrose.

[Bill Ryan]

Maxwell seems to be in a horrible tail spin. He's depressed, terrified.

This is close to the mark. I spent 6 weeks with Jordan earlier this year (2010) and took the opportunity to record several interviews - none of which I felt I could publish, as no-one would have benefited. The marvelous personal interview I did with him on his personal experiences - most of which he had earlier recounted to me and others off-camera from time to time - was a wonderful exception.

I have no doubt that those remarkable personal stories were true. One story - the most astonishing I have ever heard from anyone, anywhere - was so astounding that I recorded it as a 'sealed interview' to be released after Jordan's death - upon his request. I feel fortunate to have it recorded for posterity. If anything happens to me, other people have copies.

The 2010 Vatican video is problematic inasmuch as its publication in the form I'd ideally like to do it would probably get him killed. If I do it differently, it's too anodyne. Very skilled editing work may solve the problem - but that has so far taken a great deal of time and it's still not in a form that can be released. The project is still open.

[Limor Wolf]

originally posted by Bill:
Read carefully!

I was referring to BSB's description of the 'gutter press' - his quote from Rob Roy.


Up! Get up, you bunch of ragged-arsed tinker cow thieves! This is Robert Roy McGregor come to reclaim the 32 beasts stolen from His Lordship James Graham... Marquis of Montrose.

yes, i was aware of that Bill.i guess,i do consider silence as kind of a statment as well..

i do need to learn,however not to immediatly express what i think (that might be wrong sometimes).i am sorry.

Binaryspellbook- thanks for you response i was not personally offended by you using this word on Maxwell, i totaly get you...and i am sure it was not malice,i simply stated it because i think
words have energy just like everything else.. i fall at this trapp too often in my life,wishing that the world will be a 'better place' (sorry about the cliche) and than (not too often) throwing some of my difficult and distorted energy of the day in to it...lol.

you wrote:
"We Scots tend to say what we mean.
Perhaps that is one of the reasons we are perceived on occasion to be a little terse, and perhaps a little abrasive. Whatever the reason is is certainly not malice."

get you :)i am from israel.we are known for our directness.sometimes it is caught as being extremely intrusive.we have no filters,if there is a question..it will be asked directly with no etiquettes

around it.

by the way there is something else in common that we have with Scots...the RRR....

i love your country.

[apollo41]

when is the full video being aired??? or is it to dangerous for jordan?
im sure bill can edit it?
any suggestions???
thanks guys

[Binaryspellbook]

by the way there is something else in common that we have with Scots...the RRR.... i love your country.

Ah the rolling "R's" - That gets taught in schools (at least it did in mines.) The teacher would have us make "motorbike noises." I guess not only to ensure we had the correct Scots "R" sound, but to obviate the trauma of being stuck with a "wownd and wownd the wugged wock" type impediment as is displayed by a plethora of Hooray Henry's from public schools.

[str8thinker]

(Bill Ryan) The 2010 Vatican video is problematic inasmuch as its publication in the form I'd ideally like to do it would probably get him killed. If I do it differently, it's too anodyne. Very skilled editing work may solve the problem - but that has so far taken a great deal of time and it's still not in a form that can be released. The project is still open.

Since the With Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican video was posted in May 2010, IN5D.COM released Vatican Secrets EXPOSED! on August 22, 2010 (starring Maxwell), which suggests that this represents the full version of the video that we were hoping to see made by Project Avalon.


5p_rrTs_WfQ

I'm surprised to learn that Bill still has more material from Jordan on this subject.

Far from being depressed and terrified, Maxwell seems to me to be more comfortable in his new prosperity than ever before. He not only has a well developed website with plenty of stuff for sale, he has also made appearances on Truth Frequency Radio, Rense, George Noory etc. Alas, not Project Avalon. So I gave up hoping to see another Project Avalon session from him as soon as these other shows began to come out.

He can't be depressed and terrified about retribution if he believes, as he's stated in the past, that there are powers out there that are protecting him from the forces of evil.

I'd welcome a response from Bill or anyone else familiar with Jordan Maxwell to clarify the situation a bit further. Has he decided to strike out for himself?

[Bill Ryan]

Since the With Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican video was posted in May 2010, IN5D.COM released Vatican Secrets EXPOSED! on August 22, 2010 (starring Maxwell), which suggests that this represents the full version of the video that we were hoping to see made by Project Avalon.


5p_rrTs_WfQ

I'm surprised to learn that Bill still has more material from Jordan on this subject.

Far from being depressed and terrified, Maxwell seems to me to be more comfortable in his new prosperity than ever before. He not only has a well developed website with plenty of stuff for sale, he has also made appearances on Truth Frequency Radio, Rense, George Noory etc. Alas, not Project Avalon. So I gave up hoping to see another Project Avalon session from him as soon as these other shows began to come out.

He can't be depressed and terrified about retribution if he believes, as he's stated in the past, that there are powers out there that are protecting him from the forces of evil.

I'd welcome a response from Bill or anyone else familiar with Jordan Maxwell to clarify the situation a bit further. Has he decided to strike out for himself?

I certainly don't believe Jordan is "prosperous" - at all. He's had no money to speak of for years - and for quite a long time was living in an extremely modest situation that would have shocked most people. Through the generosity of a friend, this has now changed a little (as of last year).

As best I know, he's currently working with a small team of committed and supportive people who are assisting him in presenting his information, keeping up his site, making DVDs, and paying the bills.

His situation is certainly a little better than it was a year or two ago. But I don't know exactly how he is at the moment - I've had no personal contact with him in the last several months.

[Dale]

To my knowledge, Mr. Maxwell is an unreasonably large knot in certain groups' plans; not because of his research, or his etymology, but because he started a growing movement many years ago. He fascinated people and showed them that they can "think for themselves," in such a way that hadn't been realized before.

His current situation is just as Bill had described it; he's not in the lightest of moods, and doesn't have a great deal to work with. I had even been told that the Mr. Maxwell we remember from the 80's and 90's is no longer there; though able to "return" if situations change.

The issue with Mr. Maxwell doesn't rest in his research material, in my opinion, but in the fact that without his work and questioning, we, as the alternative community, might not even be here.

[Isserley]

I read somewhere that the only way we can be prepared for our place in this New World Religion (and the New World Order, of which it is a part) is if we are taught about it. How does one learn of anything? So, what Maxwell, Jones, Icke, Watt and others are doing by exposing us to the New World Order is they are teaching us all about it. They are “externalizing the hierarchy.” Furthermore, such films as Zeitgeist and its sequel, Zeitgeist: Addendum have done a marvelous job of externalizing the hierarchy by preparing its viewers for the New Age. Not coincidentally, Zeitgeist is based largely upon Maxwell’s writings and lectures, which, in turn, are derived from the teachings of Blavatsky and Hall.
Maxwells claim that there is a number on everyone’s birth certificate which is traded on the New York Stock Exchange is simply not true and anyone can prove this by looking for that number on their own birth certificate. It is supposedly located in the lower right corner of the document. The point of this is to make the listener believe that his very life is nothing more than a commodity to the elite and that their power over our lives is absolute and inescapable. If we come to accept that, then we will accept anything, including the New World Order, for how can we possibly resist??
Maxwell says that, as a young boy, he received and read The Complete Works of Charles Fort. Charles Fort was an early twentieth century esoteric writer. It was from these beginnings that Maxwell began looking into Blavatsky, Bailey, Hall and others.

[Banshee]

So you are saying that by discussing and/or exposing NWO antics, that Maxwell et al are desensitizing us? Do you believe they are doing this consciously?

[Bill Ryan]

Maxwells claim that there is a number on everyone’s birth certificate which is traded on the New York Stock Exchange is simply not true and anyone can prove this by looking for that number on their own birth certificate. It is supposedly located in the lower right corner of the document.

I'd be most interested to know if this is true or not.

Here's a test, which I found on the net:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com (http://www.fidelity.com).
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
But it would seem to apply to American citizens only. How about the citizens of other countries?

I welcome any hard information on any aspect of this.

[Banshee]

I'd be most interested to know if this is true or not.

Here's a test, which I found on the net:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com (http://www.fidelity.com).
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
But it would seem to apply to American citizens only. How about the citizens of other countries?

I welcome any hard information on any aspect of this.


I did this months ago - no return of information. Not part of a fund.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I'd be most interested to know if this is true or not.

Here's a test, which I found on the net:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com (http://www.fidelity.com).
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
But it would seem to apply to American citizens only. How about the citizens of other countries?

I welcome any hard information on any aspect of this.


What am i missing here?
What value can a birth certificate have?
Its worthless, the thing of value is the person attached to it and unless slavery is brought back i cant see any way of making money from it?
Could somebody explain this in more detail.

Cheers
Hurritt

[Banshee]

What am i missing here?
What value can a birth certificate have?
Its worthless, the thing of value is the person attached to it and unless slavery is brought back i cant see any way of making money from it?
Could somebody explain this in more detail.

Cheers
Hurritt

What I have heard is that these were related to war bonds somehow. Perhaps war bonds that were sold to other countries with the citizens of the US as collateral. I can't vouch for it. Perhaps someone has other info.

But.... don't kid yourself. We are enslaved. Its just benign slavery. We think we're free, but go ahead and try to live outside the system without a huge reserve of personal wealth. They pay us enough to live, but not enough to thrive. That, my friend, is slavery.

[ronbono57]

Hurritt the value is in your future earnings which are taxed. You are considered chattel property, paying taxes, interest on the debt for a lifetime. When you add up all the taxes, income, state, auto inspection, driver's license (you shouldn't need a license to do something the constitution already grants you on the roads you bought and paid for), marriage license (why does the government involve itself with a couples marriage? why is it taxed? we are suppose to be sovereign free individuals?) property, etc., over 50% of YOUR money is paid in taxes, license's and fees. According to the founder's of America your occupation was not considered income, it was a fair trade. You gave your time and skill in return for something of value, a trade not income. Income would be if you bought something for $100 and sold it for $200 then you would have made a $100 income and that could be taxed.

All personal income tax in America goes to pay the interest on the debt. This money goes into the pockets of the owner's of the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve a private corporation and most of it's owner's are not American. The Federal Reserve and it's debt notes we use as money are unconstitutional.

[str8thinker]

(Bill Ryan) I certainly don't believe Jordan is "prosperous" - at all. He's had no money to speak of for years - and for quite a long time was living in an extremely modest situation that would have shocked most people. Through the generosity of a friend, this has now changed a little (as of last year).

As best I know, he's currently working with a small team of committed and supportive people who are assisting him in presenting his information, keeping up his site, making DVDs, and paying the bills.

(Dale) His current situation is just as Bill had described it; he's not in the lightest of moods, and doesn't have a great deal to work with. I had even been told that the Mr. Maxwell we remember from the 80's and 90's is no longer there; though able to "return" if situations change.

Thanks Bill and Dale for your responses, which greatly clarify the situation.

[Erin]

I don't think that's been 'shown'! :)

But his etymology (origin of words and terms) is certainly suspect, and in some cases is total nonsense: there's no other way to put it.

I've told him that personally earlier this year, and have recommended to him that he shouldn't stress his (sometimes unresearched) notions of etymology in his presentations, as they're so easy to check: a few minutes Googling will often reveal a word's true origins, which are sometimes not at all what Jordan believes.

But in my opinion, this in no way represents the core of Jordan's work over 40 years, which is important and valuable inasmuch as he's pointed out a great deal of material which, without his work, we'd be far more unaware of - and which we'd be smart to take a very close look at. This is the value of his contribution.

At 41:00 (approx) Chris White, the narrator/critic, lays out his own stall, which is that all ETs are in league with the NWO. I certainly don't believe this is the case at all.

I heard many of Jordan's extraordinary experiences with my own ears (and recorded one 'sealed interview' with him only to be released upon his death). There's no doubt that he did have these experiences - and very many of them, as well.

Thanks for this comment re: the etymology. I was always put off by Maxwell in the past because I couldn't get over all of those inaccuracies. I took Latin for several years in grade school (and have studied 3 other languages) and so I knew a lot of it was basically just...bs.

Still, I always hoped his personal stories were true. They were more fascinating to me than the other stuff, anyway.

[cloud9]

Regarding birth certificates being traded, there was a thread in the old forum about it but I really don't remember which one. There's a document or pdf written by a woman called Elizabeth but I don't remember her complete name, in this study you can find the whole story about this.
I am an american citizen by I wasn't born here so many times I have wondered how this would work in cases like mine. Also the information in that pdf said about how if we decided to give up all privileges gained through the profits earned by our birth certificates we can do it but then we had to live out of society, privileges such as a driver's license and others would be out of reach.
I understood a big part of that document but being English not my original language, sometimes it was very difficult for me to get this very complicated subject, perhaps the legal gibberish was too much for me. It's getting late here but I can try to find the thread.

[Isserley]

I think we have strayed from the topic .. The fact is that Vatican City have fewer than 1000 citizens and span only 110 acres, but it also has a multimillion-dollar budget and an unbelievably complex history. Understanding how it all works requires parsing through centuries of religious texts. Is the Vatican confusing and mysterious? Of course it is..
Here are some interesting facts about the Vatican:
Regular Exorcise!
Baudelaire once said that “the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn’t exist.” But in modern-day Vatican City, the devil is considered alive and well. The former Pope John Paul II personally performed three exorcisms during his reign, and the current Pope Benedict XVI is expanding the ranks of Catholic-sponsored exorcists throughout the world. In fact, Father Gabriele Amorth, the Church’s chief exorcist, claims to expel more than 300 demons a year from the confines of his Vatican office, and there are more than 350 exorcists operating on behalf of the Catholic Church in Italy alone. Amorth also teaches bishops how to tell the difference between satanic possession and psychiatric illness, noting that those who suffer from the former seem to be particularly repulsed by the sight of holy water and the cross.
The Mafia Dipped into the Collection Plate
In The Godfather: Part III, a shady deal between the mafia and the Vatican leads to the murder of the Pope. Was this based on a true story? Possibly. On the morning of September 29, 1978, Pope John Paul I was found dead, sitting up in his bed, after only 33 days in office. Although Vatican officials claimed the 65-year-old pope died of a heart attack, there was never an autopsy, and at the time, the Vatican definitely had ties to organized crime. Sure enough, in 1982, Vatican Bank president Father Paul Marcinkus resigned from his post after a series of scandals exposed the bank’s ties to the mafia. Eventually, the bank had to repay more than $200 million to its creditors. But Marcinkus was never indicted of a crime. And though he was suspected of being involved in several mysterious deaths, including Pope John Paul I’s, Marcinkus successfully claimed diplomatic immunity in the United States and retired to Arizona in 1990.
Even the ATMs Are in Latin
The Vatican Bank is the only bank in the world that allows ATM users to select Latin to perform transactions. That’s just one symbol of the Holy See’s continued devotion to the language. Pope Benedict XVI has been particularly passionate about reviving the language and purportedly holds many informal conversations in Latin. (Pope John Paul II generally spoke Polish.)
The Vatican’s Latin Foundation tries to keep the language relevant by translating modern phrases into the ancient tongue. In 2003, they released an updated dictionary that included the terms “rush hour” (tempus maximae frequentiae) and “dishwasher” (escariorum lavatory). Interestingly, the translations can have serious consequences. A recent U.S. lawsuit was brought against the Vatican for conspiring to protect a child-molesting priest, and it was held up for months as the Church’s experts rejected the prosecuting team’s Latin translations of terms such as “conspiracy to commit fraud.”

And another interesting event.. A few years back my friend went to Italy and she visited the Vatican. Before she left I told her to pick me up a beer bottle opener from the Vatican gift shop. She told me that there was no way that they would sell something like that but I had a feeling that they were not above selling anything. When she got back she handed me a gold Pope John Paul bottle opener which she was pretty sure she heard that it was blessed. I laugh every time I see that thing. I think if she ever goes back I will ask for a Pope butane lighter (aka crack pipe lighter).
:rofl:

[Banshee]

Thanks for this comment re: the etymology. I was always put off by Maxwell in the past because I couldn't get over all of those inaccuracies. I took Latin for several years in grade school (and have studied 3 other languages) and so I knew a lot of it was basically just...bs.

Still, I always hoped his personal stories were true. They were more fascinating to me than the other stuff, anyway.

This is going to sound really speculative, really paranoid and probably a little insane, but... who taught you your latin and your foreign language? I am not suggesting that you have not mastered what you have been taught, but when we really think about education and the source of our educations, can we be 100% certain that the information we were taught is accurate? As an example and as I am sure many North American members can confirm, what we are taught in school about the pilgrimage to the New World and ensuing relations with indigenous peoples in school is not quite accurate. In fact, the majority of the history taught in schools in the US is utter propoganda. I have noticed that Mr. Maxwell intentionally throws in inaccuracies. The remainder of his work to me, is worthy of attention.

[Ahkenaten]

I'd be most interested to know if this is true or not.

Here's a test, which I found on the net:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com (http://www.fidelity.com).
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
But it would seem to apply to American citizens only. How about the citizens of other countries?

I welcome any hard information on any aspect of this.

Hi Bill I have NO way of knowing whether this is true but as I am sure you know this whole idea of us being human chattel/cattle collateralized sold as "derivatives" tracked via our birth certificate/social security # in the US is one of the fundamental tenants of the so-called "Sovereign Citizen" movement in the US. While nothing would surprise me in that regard just based on recent history in the mortgage sector alone, I am very skeptical about the whole concept of anyone "calling" or "rescinding" the contract and recovering the money that supposedly exists in those accounts for themselves. The reason I am skeptical about that part of the theme has to do with
the whole concept of using the system of laws against TPTB. Since in reality the entire system is extra-judicial, that is, those operating the system clearly are not accountable to any Rule of Law that we can discern, then how logically, could any peasant use a non-existent fake legal system against the perps??!! I am sure it would NOT be permitted, color of law notwithstanding.

I certainly share your curiosity as to whether anyone, as has been alleged, ACTUALLY has managed to disentangle themselves from this spider's web.

This is an aspect of the Control Paradigm that is intriguing, and very challenging indeed!

[Banshee]

Hi Bill I have NO way of knowing whether this is true but as I am sure you know this whole idea of us being human chattel/cattle collateralized sold as "derivatives" tracked via our birth certificate/social security # in the US is one of the fundamental tenants of the so-called "Sovereign Citizen" movement in the US. While nothing would surprise me in that regard just based on recent history in the mortgage sector alone, I am very skeptical about the whole concept of anyone "calling" or "rescinding" the contract and recovering the money that supposedly exists in those accounts for themselves. The reason I am skeptical about that part of the theme has to do with
the whole concept of using the system of laws against TPTB. Since in reality the entire system is extra-judicial, that is, those operating the system clearly are not accountable to any Rule of Law that we can discern, then how logically, could any peasant use a non-existent fake legal system against the perps??!! I am sure it would NOT be permitted, color of law notwithstanding.

I certainly share your curiosity as to whether anyone, as has been alleged, ACTUALLY has managed to disentangle themselves from this spider's web.

This is an aspect of the Control Paradigm that is intriguing, and very challenging indeed!

It would certainly be fascinating to see the "laws" used against them, but no, it would probably be a one way ticket to Gitmo or some other black hole of incarceration or at the very least, consume all or any of the peasant's assets.

[lightblue]

banshee:
...I have noticed that Mr. Maxwell intentionally throws in inaccuracies.....

what inaccuracies have YOU noticed?

with what purpose do you think he is doing it? out of ignorance? in order to please the 33 top masons protecting him, or what?


This is going to sound really speculative, really paranoid and probably a little insane, but... who taught you your latin and your foreign language? I am not suggesting that you have not mastered what you have been taught, but when we really think about education and the source of our educations, can we be 100% certain that the information we were taught is accurate?


your idea may be speculative, languages aren't....i am guessing you understand pretty accurately what i am communicationg to you - there is NOTHING speculative about it... :wink: l


.

[Banshee]

Language, any language, is in a constant state of evolution (or devolution as the case might be). There are very few absolutes when it comes to language.

[Banshee]

banshee:


with what purpose do you think he is doing it? out of ignorance? in order to please the 33 top masons protecting him, or what?.

What.

I think he has a sharp sense of humor, has fun with his endeavors and is probably embedding the truth in inaccuracy as a means of self preservation so that he can still spread the message without being perceived as a serious threat. Those who are listening intently will be able to discern the good information from the bs. IMO that seems to be prevalent in AM and seems to bring the credibility of AM types into question. So are they all nuts, disinfo agents, or are they on to something? I dissect the information, toss out the "smoke screens" and find truth (subjective) in the hidden messages. And in Maxwell's case, wouldn't a student of the occult operate this way?

[lightblue]

banshee
What.

I think he has a sharp sense of humor, has fun with his endeavors and is probably embedding the truth in inaccuracy as a means of self preservation so that he can still spread the message without being perceived as a serious threat. Those who are listening intently will be able to discern the good information from the bs. IMO that seems to be prevalent in AM and seems to bring the credibility of AM types into question. So are they all nuts, disinfo agents, or are they on to something? I dissect the information, toss out the "smoke screens" and find truth (subjective) in the hidden messages. And in Maxwell's case, wouldn't a student of the occult operate this way?

it does take one to spot one - you seem to share the maxwell sense of humour.

perhaps i made a mistake for wanting to take him seriously..



Language, any language, is in a constant state of evolution (or devolution as the case might be). There are very few absolutes when it comes to language.

unfortunately, maxwell's ignorance in the field is colosal and can only be explained by him NEVER getting close to the material he aspired to interpret...i think you are too kind while trying to relativise that sorry fact...:yu: l

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[doncheegro]

does anyone know?

[charcia1]

Are you talking about the video of the Vatican? This one I dont know yet.

[Bill Ryan]

---------

Hi, All:

it's still a work in progress. (One of two: I also have to release the documentary video of Credo Mutwa, shot in August.)

In addition, recent developments and events connected with 'Charles' - combined with another unfinished major project with Kerry Cassidy - have taken up an enormous amount of time since the summer.

Meanwhile, the significance of the Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican video was a little diluted when Jordan himself released this in August. This covers much of the same ground, and is absolutely worth watching:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ

[Fredkc]

My personal preferences and such...

I would be much more enthused if J. Maxwell would put together what he has on Manly P. Hall, and put out a book, with some good introductory/promotional videos on the subject.

(Just in case you're reading, Jordan ;) )
Fred

[AlkaMyst]

Fredkc......I have almost all the works on Manly P. Hall if ur interested!!!!

[Malcolm Linus]

Maybe this Charles business is a way to distract you (Bill) to not publish this other material. Just a thought. It seems to have taken up an awful lot of your time (as you have stated). Any way, keep up the good work, and I hope to be seeing more of it in the near future.

[Rhiannon]

My personal preferences and such...

I would be much more enthused if J. Maxwell would put together what he has on Manly P. Hall, and put out a book, with some good introductory/promotional videos on the subject.

(Just in case you're reading, Jordan ;) )

Fred

hi fred

http://www.manlyphall.org/

but that was not what you were asking for, right? ;)

rhi

[doncheegro]

wonderful, thanks

[Fredkc]

hi fred
http://www.manlyphall.org/

but that was not what you were asking for, right? ;)
rhi

Thanks AlkaMyst, I have been through the list, and even d'loaded one or two.

Thanks also, Rhi.
What I was interested in was the stuff J.M. was given.
About 6 months ago, there was a call for people to work on material J.M. had. Someone (the family I guess) had gifted him with M.P. Hall's books, personal notes, and such. Basically his personal library.

Whatever group was formed, has now had almost 6 months to work on all this, and I was interested in an update, or a peek at this material. Something. Anything.

I'm sure JM's work on the catholic church is in earnest, and that he has probably done a lot of good work in that area. But, to me, the notion that the Catholic church is somewhere between "harmful" and "evil" in the grand scheme of humanity, seems about as esoteric/arcane as "cars have tires".

So I guess what I am saying, in as polite a way as possible is, "Great. So... what have you done lately?" ;)

Fred

[Asphel]

I'd be most interested to know if this is true or not.

Here's a test, which I found on the net:

1. Go to www.fidelity.com (http://www.fidelity.com).
2. Click on 'Research'.
3. Click on 'Quote'.
4. Click on 'Symbol Look Up'.
5. Type in your Birth Number on the Birth Certificate with the dashes (e.g. 156-88-102939).
6. Make sure the top two drop-down menus are 'MUTUAL FUND' and 'FUND NUMBER' BEFORE you perform the search to find out who is trading on the FUND for the Birth Certificate.
7. Click on the Initialed Trading Company name under 'SYMBOL'. This will give you all of the trading information about who is trading on the fund that the birth certificate is a part of. This document was created when you were an infant. Commercial laws allow for you to cancel and rescind this simple contract—UCC3-203—and to make a Claim in recoupment (Reparations) for fraud committed upon you when you were and infant (See UCC 3-305).
But it would seem to apply to American citizens only. How about the citizens of other countries?

I welcome any hard information on any aspect of this.
Interesting concept.
If anyone has information connected to the existence of such a database for European countries, I'd be very curious to look it up.

This post actually made me think about a similar corporate tool which is present in my own country's legislative system and has been in use for as long as I can remember.
I thought I would put it in here, as some of you might find it interesting, or... perhaps even share your opinion on the matter.

Where I'm from (Bulgaria), we have an extremely precise and tyrannic way to identify people via numbers. It's basically an ID number, which contains as much information about a person, as can be put in a 10 digit code.

The number is given to every single child after birth, and is referred to as "PIN", or personal identification number. It comprises 10 digits that summarize the most general information, which will be included in the person's ID card, i.e. year of birth, place of birth and gender.

For example.
7505040943

- 75 being the year of birth
- 05 - the month
- 04 - the date.

The following two digits are a code for city of birth, in this case 09 stands for Varna. Аnd the ninth number stands for gender - odd for female, even for male.
No one would respond to the question - is there any additional information encrypted in the gender digits (because they differ from 1 to 9, whereas you have only 2 genders... not logical). Also, we are not told what the 10th digit stands for. Officials have said that it's just just there so that the code would be made out of 10 digits and not 9... which isn't believable at all.
The PIN code refers to the person himself... it doesn't refer to the ID card, birth certificate, or whatever (those documents have their own id numbers).
It's a numeration of human beings...

And that's about all the information I have on the digits' sequence and meaning.
The closest comparison I can think of is to a personal UIC.

Of course, this information IS supposedly public, but... it's not widely known by people. No one will take the time to explain this when.... say, we are being "taught" in school, or issuing our very first ID cards, or registering our newborn babies. It's just something we have been told is there for no reason at all... or so we gather, as they never find it necessary to properly explain it to us.
The only way to find out.... is to look it up on the web. Back in the day, almost no one knew these things. And now.... well..... now, most people just don't care.

Interestingly enough, there are people who aren't given PIN numbers, OR... who's PIN numbers are removed from their ID cards and/or completely eradicated from all existing records. Those people are politicians, high-ranked businessmen, diplomats... you get the idea.
Recently, there have been rumors of slavery principles connected with the PIN concept... actually, rumors are spreading about almost every aspect of conspiracy theories you can think of. I see it as a pretty mighty improvement, considering the fact that even though people don't have access to the actual truth, they're trying to dig... they're trying to fight back as hard as they can (well, a small percentage of them, at least). But still... I don't remember these issues ever coming up in the past ten years. I really hope this is a good sign...

There have also been cases of ordinary working class people refusing to place an PIN number on their child, and suing the system, which resulted in their deprivation of medical care and some legal rights...

From what I've read, the government has stated that the purpose of the PIN code is to facilitate administration procedures, but frankly I don't believe that one bit.
I mean... we have ID cards already... they have their own separate ID numbers on them, apart from the fact that they contain all the info the PIN number is supposed to summarize.


Anyway, I never quite understood why this numeration was necessary, or what is its exact purpose, but... most of my friends have never really thought about it.
We're pretty obedient and docile... like sheep. As long as we have the means to feed our children...we're willing to stay still and not ask questions for their sake.

It's good that I don't have any children :)




Thanks for reading!

P.S. I'm sorry if this information has already been posted in a thread somewhere on this forum, and if I am now repeating it. I just wanted to share my thoughts.
Also, sorry for my bad english.... I try!

Peace ~

[davyj0nes]

First post, sweet! :rockon:

I hope this video does come out, i love jordan maxwell i could listen to him all day. Even though his etymology is a little off. I am sad to hear that he is not doing so well. I hope he gets better he has a lot more stories to tell.

[slipknotted]

wondering when will this come out ?

[slipknotted]

boy would i love to go downstairs there to have a look and find some answers or proof of my dreams about that place

[Icecold]

I understand very well the church has been infiltrated. EVERYTHING has been infiltrated. And yet, I maintain there is much truth in biblical teachings and experience the power of faith in those teachings daily. What I'm confused by is Jordan's close association with Manly P. Hall when he overtly sets himself against all things ptb/illuminati and Bill's warm personal attachment to Jordan. What's going on here...

It is accepted that Christian humanity will be dragged kicking and screaming into the age of Aquarius. Letting go will be difficult for most and impossible for others. Mind control takes many forms, not the least of which is christian ideology. Have you ever wondered how christianity managed to 'change the minds' of the older age of Taurus religions? They didn't change their minds, they used genocide as an instrument of change. Something that they became highly skilled at during the last 2,000 years. They are very fortunate that the new thought, the Aquarian thought, does not perceive change in the same way. Christianity will eventually perish as an idea in the world because knowledge is changing us. Knowledge of a wider living universe will be the death knell of christianity.

[The Arthen]

It is accepted that Christian humanity will be dragged kicking and screaming into the age of Aquarius. Letting go will be difficult for most and impossible for others. Mind control takes many forms, not the least of which is christian ideology. Have you ever wondered how christianity managed to 'change the minds' of the older age of Taurus religions? They didn't change their minds, they used genocide as an instrument of change. Something that they became highly skilled at during the last 2,000 years. They are very fortunate that the new thought, the Aquarian thought, does not perceive change in the same way. Christianity will eventually perish as an idea in the world because knowledge is changing us. Knowledge of a wider living universe will be the death knell of christianity.


Very painful, yet very aptly put.

[Fury Ra]

But whatever happened to the full interview ????

[Dale]

But whatever happened to the full interview ????

Fury Ra,

Bill hasn't completed the editing for the "Jordan Maxwell at the Vatican" video interview just yet.

Here is what he wrote a few posts back, concerning the video, on this thread:


Hi, All:

it's still a work in progress. (One of two: I also have to release the documentary video of Credo Mutwa, shot in August.)

In addition, recent developments and events connected with 'Charles' - combined with another unfinished major project with Kerry Cassidy - have taken up an enormous amount of time since the summer.

[pintorider]

For some reason I just do not get good vibes from this guy. I can't put my finger on it but that is how I feel every time I see or hear him. Right or wrong, that's how I feel.

I know what you mean. I feel the same way and Im not sure why either. Part of it is Jordan's (real name, Russell Pine) totally made up and fabricated "etymologies." If he would fabricate this, what else would he fabricate? I especially doubt his personal stories concerning unworldly events that supposedly happened to him. Just doesn't pass the sniff test.

[pintorider]

Bill, I took a long, hard look at you also, before I joined this forum. You I find credible, kind and sincere.

I'm not surprise to learn of your friendship and empathy for Mr Pine. That's just the kind of guy you are and it is not a fault. But I do think you should scrutinize his personal tales a lot more closely. Sure, he has compiled some information on symbolism, but there is not much new or original in "Jordan Maxwell's" "work."

[Spica]

Can't wait to watch it, Jordan Maxwell is a legend and his work on "The Dawn Of A New Day" is very serious and important in my opinion.

[ronbono57]

I understand very well the church has been infiltrated. EVERYTHING has been infiltrated. And yet, I maintain there is much truth in biblical teachings and experience the power of faith in those teachings daily. What I'm confused by is Jordan's close association with Manly P. Hall when he overtly sets himself against all things ptb/illuminati and Bill's warm personal attachment to Jordan. What's going on here...

Sunnyrap, I can't remember who said or wrote it but I do remember it was from a respectable source, that Hall was an "honorary" Freemason. True or false? Don't know.

[kooky]

Can't wait to see a new interview. He will be sure to 'russell' a few feathers. :p

[Spica]

I understand very well the church has been infiltrated. EVERYTHING has been infiltrated. And yet, I maintain there is much truth in biblical teachings and experience the power of faith in those teachings daily. What I'm confused by is Jordan's close association with Manly P. Hall when he overtly sets himself against all things ptb/illuminati and Bill's warm personal attachment to Jordan. What's going on here...

Sunnyrap, I can't remember who said or wrote it but I do remember it was from a respectable source, that Hall was an "honorary" Freemason. True or false? Don't know.

As far as I know Manley P. Hall was a 33° mason of the Scottish Rite, He obviously held Jordan Maxwells research in very high esteem and wanted him to further his education as i recall Jordan saying Manley had left him his archives of research that he had amassed. In my opinion being part of Freemasonry is not the problem the corrupt people involved with it are.

[Xilence]

looking good. Can't wait to see the whole video.

[l3ol3o]

So I'm guessing that this video won't be released?

[humanalien]

I don't know if anyone has seen this video by jordan yet
but it's also about the vatican.

Vatican Secrets EXPOSED! Jordan Maxwell

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ&feature=related)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_rrTs_WfQ


***Edit***

I see the video was already posted so here it is again..

[l3ol3o]

I think Bill may have gave up on this one because Jordan released a very similar video. It would still be nice to see what Bill has though. I don't want to see the time he took to film the video to go to waste.

[NewFounderHome]

Hi, Folks:

I've spent the last 30 days with Jordan Maxwell, who's on an extended European trip - and it's been a huge privilege to have spent so much intensive personal time with the great man.

For various reasons, we decided between us to keep his visit very low key... one of which is that we've just returned from the Vatican, where Jordan had never actually been. It was the highlight of his trip, and everything was recorded on video. Enjoy this provocative trailer here (which is sure to get him into big trouble :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aQWZnWRN2HU

http://projectavalon.net/Jordan_Maxwell_Vatican.jpg

Hello Bill,
Will you be releasing the video? We would love to have your take on this also!
Keep up the amassing work Bill.

Peace. ;)

[Mad Hatter]

G'day Bill,

My initial reason for joining avalon was actually to ask a question regarding JM whose work I have always found fascinating... due to (un)fortunate timing I got caught up in the furore around the 'Charles' material. I took your advice, suspended my disbelief and sat riveted on the edge of my seat watching the equivalent of a pair of Shaolin masters do battle!! Mark you my disbelief is still somewhat suspended... Then once again following your excellent advice I delved into the Wade Frazier thread / site and for that I truly thank you.

That aside, now having come up air, in my travels down the rabbit hole I came across this video of Jordan interviewing Zecharia Sitchin video.google.com/videoplay?docid=254952027807205588 to my absolute astonishment at the 37:48 mark I watched a definitive example of a 'masonic' handshake between the two!!

Can you confirm if JM is actually a member of the brotherhood?

cheers

[Nyce555]

Thank you for the preview Bill! I look forward to the full interview. I enjoy all Jordan Maxwell's previous interviews. I am anxoius to see what new information he will be discussing.

[Lita]

Still want to see the video of Bill and Jordan... come on Bill please...pretty please....beg...beg...lol.

[Ultima Thule]

I thought I´d up this thread a bit, but also I have a question I´ve been pondering - kind of trying to weigh the magnitude of what Jordan Maxwell is stating in his material:

When he is presenting his case about the modern day being the end-product continuum of Roman empire run by Vatican mostly, it is most compelling. What I am wondering is, whether world war 2 was a success or a failure from "their" point of view? Was it planned ahead from day one to germanys apparent demise and was for example the operation paperclip a years before planned sleight of hand to have people of the world think the evil had been defeated while the other "hand" hides away the evil or was operation paperclip something that had to be improvised to reconcile the unforetold defeat of germany?

What do you guys think Jordan thinks - have the PTW been creating a constant 100% preplanned "history" for the mankind to swallow or have they just been able to play by ear in cases. This question was raised when I read some material from Jordans website, where centuries earlier world war 3 was mentioned in literature.

UT

[Lily de Cuir]

Hi All,

Have I missed something with this? It's been a year I think. Is there a reason why this interview has never been released?

Can someone fill me in?:confused:

Cheers, Lily

[Star Tsar]

All I want want for christmas is his video but not if it will cause grief for Mr Maxwell!