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Atticus
25th May 2011, 02:08
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Thunderbird
25th May 2011, 02:10
im a Flasher.....
gigha
25th May 2011, 02:22
Seems a bit like the "Boys Are Back In Town" ;)
Kindling
25th May 2011, 02:29
Experienced flashers. I'm having funny thoughts ;). LOL :eek:
truthseekerdan
25th May 2011, 02:46
__________ :photo:
thunder24
25th May 2011, 02:51
Flashers,
that could be interesting, haha
peace
Thunderbird
25th May 2011, 02:52
why is it that there are like 6 replies.....but no "views" recorded on "todays posts?"
Kindling
25th May 2011, 02:55
Hmmmm.... so would posting pics of our work violate forum guidelines??? LOL! Okay, I'm cracking myself up. Hope you are doing good Atticus :-).
Thunderbird
25th May 2011, 02:58
ah thans for fixin that Paul
Atticus
25th May 2011, 02:58
Im fine and we are all going great,if you could just pm me and i will give you a place to contact us , thanks.
regards
Atticus
Good to hear from ya, Atticus. :lever::drum:
Thunderbird
25th May 2011, 03:08
hey Paul,
the views are staying the same, but the replies are going up still....
is there a way to unlock that so they reflect properly?
thunder24
25th May 2011, 03:16
Well now that there is a small audience, maybe could we get a morsel of info on the site or time of release?
peace
Atticus
25th May 2011, 03:34
We have a private forum which is being used for a construction aid and office as it were,things are going well but it is a very large task.
As for timing ,you know how i feel about time. lol
Not to far off,and i have to coincide with a few things that are coming in the event sequence.
Sierra
25th May 2011, 03:57
People might want to know if this is paid work or volunteer work before they respond...
ThePythonicCow
25th May 2011, 04:04
hey Paul,
the views are staying the same, but the replies are going up still....
Some of the counters (including apparently the "Views" counter) and parts of the search index are -not- updated in real time, but rather by daemons that run around in the background. Wait a bit, and you should see the counter increase as you had expected.
Lord Sidious
25th May 2011, 04:09
im a Flasher.....
Don't you mean nugget? :p
Thunderbird
25th May 2011, 04:11
Paul- ah thanks for that clarification!
Nugget- ya Boxhead! :cool:
Tangri
25th May 2011, 04:12
im a Flasher.....
Don't you mean nugget? :p
Lord , did you get fired from 18 already?
Tangri
25th May 2011, 04:18
Thank you tutu,
Re: The sensitivity of language and people when describing race-related issues
Greetings members of Avalon,
You know me as Atticus and I am a member of the 18. It has become necessary to state Lord Sidious, is not a member of the 18. All views and statements expressed by him are his own and do not represent us.
Thank You.
Lord Sidious
25th May 2011, 04:19
im a Flasher.....
Don't you mean nugget? :p
Lord , did you get fired from 18 already?
You may have missed the last post where I was asked that.
I can not and will not speak on the topic of the 18.
Sorry, but that is the way it is.
loveandgratitude
25th May 2011, 04:31
HEY LEVENT TONGA - BUGS HAS A MESSAGE FOR YOU -
Well, what did you expect in an opera? A happy ending? - Bugs Bunny
7725
Roseheart
25th May 2011, 04:48
I'm an experienced "Flosser"... If you need one...
mondaze
25th May 2011, 04:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agi8PUmlAKU&feature=related
enough said
gigha
25th May 2011, 06:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yXRGdZdonM
Still can't do the you tube thing
I am a nugget.. :)
Lord Sidious
25th May 2011, 06:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yXRGdZdonM
Still can't do the you tube thing
I am a nugget.. :)
Lucky I can use the dark side to bring out your video then. :p
Atticus
25th May 2011, 10:10
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Billy
25th May 2011, 10:47
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
.
Thank you
Does the person have to be a member of Avalon, is it paid or voluntary, let me know and I will see what i can do for you Charles
Forevernyt
25th May 2011, 14:24
Need any artwork? Check out my profile, I've got a few galleries there for everyone's viewing pleasure. :)
Heartsong
25th May 2011, 14:55
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
"FLASHER" in U.S.A slang of some years ago meant someone who gained public attention by running around nude.
I presume "FLASHER" in British slang means photographer?..................
Seikou-Kishi
25th May 2011, 14:56
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
"FLASHER" in U.S.A slang of some years ago meant someone who gained public attention by running around nude.
I presume "FLASHER" in British slang means photographer?..................
Nope, means the same thing here
The One
25th May 2011, 15:18
As for timing ,you know how i feel about time. lol
I get the impression Atticus you only come on here when it suits you.(My opinion)
See you in another month
Forevernyt
25th May 2011, 15:48
I think by Flasher, he's referring to someone who can create animations using Flash for webpages.
Sowelu
25th May 2011, 18:09
Is he talking about gifs? or general web graphic design? or perhaps he means like flash animation?
Atticus
25th May 2011, 18:10
Re: Experienced flash artist required
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Ps Details upon application.
Rocky_Shorz
25th May 2011, 18:18
You are back looking for a flasher? LOL...
I think I had a picture of Swami around here somewhere... ;)
HURRITT ENYETO
25th May 2011, 20:18
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7JniUaW4mq0oEqN24ivdzXEZWYPS1I7sl1vMwmNcexudQz8WNcw
Atticus
25th May 2011, 20:29
Now that made me laugh, ta!
Rocky_Shorz
25th May 2011, 20:33
any chance for a quick update on how you see things at this point?
Aurelius
25th May 2011, 21:19
Charles fyi ...
Errors
The following errors occurred with your submission
Atticus has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.
... I tried to pm you about site security related bits.
hi Atticus,
question: did you ever discuss with Bill the situation involving Kerry Cassidy's disclosure of info/ancient earth history charts and Bill possibly being in danger etc etc
Inelia had mentioned that you did not respond to a Bill email concerning this situation. i found this curious.
manny
25th May 2011, 22:11
surely you met a few in prison.;)
just dropping by to say hello and wishing you good health.
good luck with your project.
Lord Sidious
25th May 2011, 22:50
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7JniUaW4mq0oEqN24ivdzXEZWYPS1I7sl1vMwmNcexudQz8WNcw
And in the next frame the old lady says to the flasher ''What are you going to do with that? Pick your teeth?''
Atticus
25th May 2011, 22:54
yes manny , i did, they never look like they should.i think ?
dont change mate , nice lol:heh:
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hi Atticus,
question: did you ever discuss with Bill the situation involving Kerry Cassidy's disclosure of info/ancient earth history charts and Bill possibly being in danger etc etc
Inelia had mentioned that you did not respond to a Bill email concerning this situation. i found this curious.
i never got an email,? everyone else emailed me tho....lol
firstlook
25th May 2011, 23:02
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7JniUaW4mq0oEqN24ivdzXEZWYPS1I7sl1vMwmNcexudQz8WNcw
And in the next frame the old lady says to the flasher ''What are you going to do with that? Pick your teeth?''
Actually I think she says "hey look, a penis but smaller". Sorry couldn't resist. :p
manny
25th May 2011, 23:05
got a question,while your on here charles.
don,t take this offensive.
but why set up a website if you are sure that the end of days are coming in the next 5 to 7 years,
mass population reduction ect?
just spill the beans as they say.
Fred Steeves
25th May 2011, 23:06
Re: Experienced flash artist required
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Ps Details upon application.
Sounds to me like one has to denigrate one's self for this chance at 15 minutes. Like Johnny Depp in Deadman, he insists.
Cheers,
Fred S.
quench
25th May 2011, 23:08
got a question,while your on here charles.
don,t take this offensive.
but why set up a website if you are sure that the end of days are coming in the next 5 to 7 years,
mass population reduction ect?
just spill the beans as they say.
There's probably a bigger picture.
DeDukshyn
25th May 2011, 23:12
got a question,while your on here charles.
don,t take this offensive.
but why set up a website if you are sure that the end of days are coming in the next 5 to 7 years,
mass population reduction ect?
just spill the beans as they say.
There's probably a bigger picture.
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
Lifesong
25th May 2011, 23:19
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
That's interesting. Do you mean time itself or timelines?
manny
25th May 2011, 23:21
the bigger picture is that every soul has a right to know.
the bigger picture is that if you had the details and did not let everyone have a chance,have you fullfilled your mission.
people are ready to accept change ...if they know whats coming.
i don,t accept that to go to a seminar to change the world is correct.
or to join a new website,to see whats really going on.
it should be free and loving.
how can one live with with oneself knowing that information is surpressed,that may have helped even one person.
thats my way of thinking.
quench
25th May 2011, 23:30
the bigger picture is that every soul has a right to know.
the bigger picture is that if you had the details and did not let everyone have a chance,have you fullfilled your mission.
people are ready to accept change ...if they know whats coming.
i don,t accept that to go to a seminar to change the world is correct.
or to join a new website,to see whats really going on.
it should be free and loving.
how can one live with with oneself knowing that information is surpressed,that may have helped even one person.
thats my way of thinking.
I have a feeling something will happen which is going to put this website right in the mix. Atticus said he would wait until a certain event until he launches the site. Let's wait and see.
DeDukshyn
25th May 2011, 23:46
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
That's interesting. Do you mean time itself or timelines?
I believe it would depend on the amount of change of consciousness of the human collective. Skipping and/or changing timelines for a better future in this 3D realm, is a lower level change because it remains in 3D. Eventually when we are finished playing in the physical realms, both the physical realm and time as we know it will cease to exist completely. The books "The Dissapearance of the Universe" and "A Course in Miracles" explains this quite well, and it is logical based on certain mechanics.
manny
25th May 2011, 23:51
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
That's interesting. Do you mean time itself or timelines?
I believe it would depend on the amount of change of consciousness of the human collective. Skipping and/or changing timelines for a better future in this 3D realm, is a lower level change because it remains in 3D. Eventually when we are finished playing in the physical realms, both the physical realm and time as we know it will cease to exist completely. The books "The Dissapearance of the Universe" and "A Course in Miracles" explains this quite well, and it is logical based on certain mechanics.
ok you me and everyone is on this timeline now.
how do you know if it has changed.
can you say i changed my timeline?
for better or worse.
infinate timelines?
you can,t know.
you live your life.
now in the present.
with advice of caring individuals.
DeDukshyn
25th May 2011, 23:59
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
That's interesting. Do you mean time itself or timelines?
I believe it would depend on the amount of change of consciousness of the human collective. Skipping and/or changing timelines for a better future in this 3D realm, is a lower level change because it remains in 3D. Eventually when we are finished playing in the physical realms, both the physical realm and time as we know it will cease to exist completely. The books "The Dissapearance of the Universe" and "A Course in Miracles" explains this quite well, and it is logical based on certain mechanics.
ok you me and everyone is on this timeline now.
how do you know if it has changed.
can you say i changed my timeline?
for better or worse.
infinate timelines?
you can,t know.
you live your life.
now in the present.
with advice of caring individuals.
You are correct in your view. Unless you can consciously influence your timeline (which is possible), your best off just practicing Infinite Patience, Instant Forgiveness, and Unconditional Love -- that is all we need to do raise our frequencies. Raise them enough collectively and a Jump to the next, what I call "octave" (a full level of vibrational creation), is even possible. My 2 cents. ;)
Whoops .. off topic .. :o
manny
26th May 2011, 00:10
each of us is a individual.
we are to live our life how we are suppose to.
we will climb the ladder as we are meant too.
we will all learn what we are meant to learn,at each specific times in our lifes.
we are all on the same ladder,some further up than others,heading for the the same goal.
i do believe it is a individual experience,but as a collective we may change things.
but where is the collective when stating join this seminar or this website.
thats heirarchy imo.
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 00:12
each of us is a individual.
we are to live our life how we are suppose to.
we will climb the ladder as we are meant too.
we will all learn what we are meant to learn,at each specific times in our lifes.
we are all on the same ladder,some further up than others,heading for the the same goal.
i do believe it is a individual experience,but as a collective we may change things.
but where is the collective when stating join this seminar or this website.
thats heirarchy imo.
I think I may be speaking of a different type of "collective" than what you imply ...
GlassSteagallfan
26th May 2011, 00:16
Best of sucess in your project!
Looking forward...
Seikou-Kishi
26th May 2011, 00:24
got a question,while your on here charles.
don,t take this offensive.
but why set up a website if you are sure that the end of days are coming in the next 5 to 7 years,
mass population reduction ect?
just spill the beans as they say.
Maybe he's just being optimistic. Hope is never lost, only given up.
manny
26th May 2011, 00:29
Best of sucess in your project!
Looking forward...
i have the free will to wish someone goodluck even though i might not believe them.
have you ever done that.
Lifesong
26th May 2011, 00:29
I can't speak for Atticus, but in my opinion, if a certain amount of "work" can be done, it changes everything - even "time".
That's interesting. Do you mean time itself or timelines?
I believe it would depend on the amount of change of consciousness of the human collective. Skipping and/or changing timelines for a better future in this 3D realm, is a lower level change because it remains in 3D. Eventually when we are finished playing in the physical realms, both the physical realm and time as we know it will cease to exist completely. The books "The Dissapearance of the Universe" and "A Course in Miracles" explains this quite well, and it is logical based on certain mechanics.
That sounds like the end of the experiment? :) j/k
Sorry also for going off topic.
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 00:36
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Just a post bump ... I feel bad for all the off topic disscussion ... lol ;-)
==Update==
I can do graphics and art, but have no flash experience .. <dedukshyn adds that to his "to learn" list>
Wiremu2011
26th May 2011, 00:39
yes manny , i did, they never look like they should.i think ?
dont change mate , nice lol:heh:
¤=[Post Update]=¤
hi Atticus,
question: did you ever discuss with Bill the situation involving Kerry Cassidy's disclosure of info/ancient earth history charts and Bill possibly being in danger etc etc
Inelia had mentioned that you did not respond to a Bill email concerning this situation. i found this curious.
i never got an email,? everyone else emailed me tho....lol
Ki ora Atticus..whats happening bro??
manny
26th May 2011, 00:42
questions where asked but not answered.
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 01:09
the bigger picture is that every soul has a right to know.
the bigger picture is that if you had the details and did not let everyone have a chance,have you fullfilled your mission.
people are ready to accept change ...if they know whats coming.
i don,t accept that to go to a seminar to change the world is correct.
or to join a new website,to see whats really going on.
it should be free and loving.
how can one live with with oneself knowing that information is surpressed,that may have helped even one person.
thats my way of thinking.
With a collective consciousness.
"the bigger picture is that every soul has a right to know" .. unfortunately most will outright reject the truth if you made it available. There was a US president long ago that once said "The greatest conspiracy is one so unbelievable, no one would ever believe it." He was trying to tell us something, but sadly our belief systems where created by them (the "Rulers") for this purpose. Not to say there is no hope, but just making the truth available to everyones ego won't be enough. But I do see your point and wish it was that simple.
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 01:35
as for the help she as asked for,where are you?and inelia.
not one post....help her.
You are totally out of place!
You do not know what Inelia knows and what she is doing. Just because you are not privy to something...
Hehe, ya I see what your saying. I wish I was all knowing like that. Just because its not on the news doesn't mean it didn't happen .. hehe :)
¤=[Post Update]=¤
I am looking for an advanced flash/graphic artist
Please PM me with the subject in bold stating:
"FLASHER"
Thank you
Since were so off topic we should at least have the odd notice ... ;)
Tangri
26th May 2011, 01:52
As for timing ,you know how i feel about time. lol
I get the impression Atticus you only come on here when it suits you.(My opinion)
See you in another month
They need a nude to pose them
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 02:01
As for timing ,you know how i feel about time. lol
I get the impression Atticus you only come on here when it suits you.(My opinion)
See you in another month
They need a nude to pose them
You mean like dancing girls to keep him around? I hope thats what you meant; that's funny ;)
bluestflame
26th May 2011, 02:47
maybe this person
http://www.85qm.de/up/BigRedButton.swf
DeDukshyn
26th May 2011, 02:49
lol ...............
Fred Steeves
26th May 2011, 11:12
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
The One
26th May 2011, 11:23
maybe this person
http://www.85qm.de/up/BigRedButton.swf
Brilliant lol
Eric J (Viking)
26th May 2011, 11:29
maybe this person
http://www.85qm.de/up/BigRedButton.swf
Brilliant lol
LMHO !!!!
viking
EYES WIDE OPEN
26th May 2011, 12:15
maybe this person
http://www.85qm.de/up/BigRedButton.swf
Brilliant lol
LMHO !!!!
viking
is there an end?
taurad
26th May 2011, 12:34
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yes manny , i did, they never look like they should.i think ?
dont change mate , nice lol:heh:
¤=[Post Update]=¤
hi Atticus,
question: did you ever discuss with Bill the situation involving Kerry Cassidy's disclosure of info/ancient earth history charts and Bill possibly being in danger etc etc
Inelia had mentioned that you did not respond to a Bill email concerning this situation. i found this curious.
i never got an email,? everyone else emailed me tho....lol
Hi Atticus,
a lot of things happened upon your arrival, both here and the world...a lot of ppl were affected on so many levels...
You disappeared, for reasons only you know...i don't know how much reading you've been committed to around here since you went "silent"...
anyhow, a lot has been talked about you, both personally and the dogma you landed upon us...
i would like to ask you to consider a heads-up, for a lot of members here (and our entourage out in the world that we affected with our "Charles' story)
Thanks in advance
cheers
stdante
26th May 2011, 14:39
this is a test
all the people who are showing signs of impatience are not going to make it ;)
TimelessDimensions
26th May 2011, 14:48
Please don't flash anyone ********, there are women and children here..
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this is a test
all the people who are showing signs of impatience are not going to make it ;)
Maybe you aren't going to make "it" ? ;)
The One
26th May 2011, 14:58
this is a test
all the people who are showing signs of impatience are not going to make it ;)
I am already there
5 pages of soup. But really! ... flash animation is a web protocol programming language enabling multimedia to be shown in web pages. see http://www.adobe.com/products/flash.html as an example of Adobe flash. Not supported by all browsers and NOT supported by apple IPODS/ IPHONES or IPADS. So go easy if ya want good connectivity across all viewers.
Dorok
26th May 2011, 16:26
Fill in your own blanks:
<Half funny FLASHER joke with appropriate smiley>
<Sly guilt trip remark referring to infrequent posts and unanswered questions>
<Half baked prediction of universal doom or salvation>
<Non acknowledgement of being completely off topic or derailing the OP original intent>
guido
26th May 2011, 22:32
Will you be so kind to let us know when you found the flash light?
SKAWF
26th May 2011, 22:36
i reckon i'm going to have a holiday.
see you all in three months.
thunder24
26th May 2011, 23:48
thankyou
peace
Tangri
27th May 2011, 02:39
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Buchanan561
27th May 2011, 02:41
Thank you Atticus, take care and be safe. YOu are often thought of. Most with good thoughts. Emma
Fred Steeves
27th May 2011, 10:43
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Excellent advice, find your man?
loveandgratitude
27th May 2011, 11:03
maybe this person
http://www.85qm.de/up/bigredbutton.swf
that is sooooooo funny...........................thank you for that..................
Tangri
27th May 2011, 19:11
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Excellent advice, find your man?
I clone usually before I fired or scared them away.
Fred Steeves
27th May 2011, 21:07
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Excellent advice, find your man?
I clone usually before I fired or scared them away.
Interesting, do they teach cloning at Dokuz Eylul?
BTW, still looking for someone with lots of experience to show their stuff and lend a hand when needed.
Cheers,
Fred
Tangri
27th May 2011, 23:11
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Excellent advice, find your man?
I clone usually before I fired or scared them away.
Interesting, do they teach cloning at Dokuz Eylul?
BTW, still looking for someone with lots of experience to show their stuff and lend a hand when needed.
Cheers,
Fred
Unfortunately they do not teach such things there I learned from community college
YoungSoul
27th May 2011, 23:15
I've worked with Flash before, but I cant say that I'm good at it, although I can say that I'm very experienced in Photoshop and Premier.
ATTENTION AVALONIANS!!! The long line fishing vessel I operate has recently lost it's most critical position, the baiter. Need the right person who is a master of this craft immediately!
...Applicants must use correct terminology only...
Fred
Do not execute your important men, tread them nicely. Maybe you should clone them in case of emergency
Excellent advice, find your man?
Stop this, please.
Fred Steeves
28th May 2011, 13:31
Unfortunately they do not teach such things there I learned from community college
How bout starting a thread on cloning Lt. I'd like to hear what you have to share, and would have questions. Like, how close in personality and mannerisms is a clone to the original? Would he change his name but act the same? etc.
Do you think Atticus would mind if it were just done here?
Fred
Why put Flash in the same bracket as requiring a Graphic designer? They are quite different. I am guessing you need a flash designer to make the banner for your site. JQuery will suffice also.
Silverlight is going to explode next year and of course with HTML5 on the way, you should make considerations for ensuring that your content will be deliverable across a number of different media devices, whether they be handheld or traditional.
Tangri
30th May 2011, 00:09
Unfortunately they do not teach such things there I learned from community college
How bout starting a thread on cloning Lt. I'd like to hear what you have to share, and would have questions. Like, how close in personality and mannerisms is a clone to the original? Would he change his name but act the same? etc.
Do you think Atticus would mind if it were just done here?
Fred
There is going to public practice in next century. You can learn when mass is ready.
recent problem copies having is bones and articulation don't cope with regeneration progress
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