Soul mates.

[MoSh187]

I admit I was a bit disturbed by delores Cannon's interview when she stated that soul mates are a waste of time. She said this because everyone would be satisfied and wouldn't grow spiritually.

Actually in my experience... searching for my soul mate has been a tremendous task of growth and letting go of the past. and when I finally succeed I'm darn sure it's just the beginning of my spiritual growth. I see it like a big journey you take with someone. There's nothing hindering growth since your still on a journey, instead you just have someone along for the ride.

what are your thoughts? are soul mates a waste of time for you?

[ktlight]

Hi Mo, When we first found each other, we had to learn that there were in fact three lives going on in our relationship. There was the one we shared, the one that was his and the one that was mine. I feel that we are very, very lucky to find our soul mates. There was a steep learning curve to undergo, a whole heap of education to undertake, etc, etc. I truly do not believe I would be happy if I had not met him, my darling husband, my soul mate and learned to be with him, as he learned to be with me. I feel I would still be struggling to find myself.

[SKAWF]

i dont think so.
its like any goal in some respects,
is it the end, or the begining?
is finding a soulmate ALL you want,
or do you want to do something once you find one?
what is the purpose behind it all?.

that said, if you dont yet have one,
and you find one,
there is a special interaction that you might not otherwise have with anyone else.
maybe not that good for growth, but a boom for quality of life IMO.
which in turn may lead to a finer quality of growth.

ultimately its not easy to make a statement that covers the whole spectrum of experience.
if EVERYONE is entitled to their own path, then the need for a soulmate,
depends on the individual. if youve never had one, and you find one,
a simple comparison will show its not a waste of time. quite the opposite.

[Arrowwind]

Can one actually search for a soul mate?

I think I have had contact with two "soul mates' in this life.
These are people that I feel that I have had extended Karma with
over the course of many lifetimes. They are a joy and a challenge.
and provide opportunity for profound learning..

Unlike Delores Cannon, my view is that soul mates do not necessarily
bring endless satisfaction... quite the contrary... they will lead to unprecidented
growth... which can bring satisfaction, but can also bring significant challenge and
possibly turmoil

But how can you seek a soul mate? Seems to me that you are
"gravatationally" drawn to one another... and no matter what you do or say
it will happen if the time is right for it to happen, regardless of miles, purpose, intent,
desire, fear etc.

[mondaze]

i spent thirty three years without my soul mate and i missed her every minute of every day. and now we are together again it is absolute bliss. does this mean we have stopped our search for enlightenment? No emphatically not! But we now search with more discernment.We pool our research, she has a far greater grasp of eastern esotericism than I... on the other hand i have a greater knowledge of the present cultural paradigm. The whole becomes greater than the two parts, totally complimenting each other. i thank God each day that we have found each other now... when we are both old enough to know the value of what we have.

[Lord Sidious]

I think the journey changes after you find your soulmate.
As Ktlight pointed out, you have 3 lives involved in the deal now, not just yours.
Plus, you can learn from each other, learn common lessons together and maybe shed some of your flaws, like selfishness, greed, envy, things like that.
I think going from the solo journey to the shared journey can bring HUGE growth and growth that can't be gained solo or if it is possible, it would take a lot longer.
The thing is this, man and woman were created different for a reason and that is to compliment each other.
The soul is like a powerswitch, you can draw energy through it and the more good energy you draw, the cleaner you become.
Look at Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith when he drew too much dark energy in a hurry to defeat mace windu, he became disfigured and scarred.
Havine a soul that you love more than life itself with you can bring out the best in you, but it can bring out the worst too.
So these nuggets who say there is no more growth need to wind their heads in and find a soul mate and see for themselves.

[NancyV]

Dolores Cannon may be correct that soul mates are very satisfying to be with but I don't agree with her at all that you don't grow spiritually when with a soul mate. I finally met my soul mate when I was 48 and he was 41. It was the 4th marriage for each of us and we both knew immediately that we were the ones we had unknowingly been searching for all our lives. We have both changed and learned from each other and definitely haven't been stagnant.

Even when I was young I knew there was one man out there somewhere that I was supposed to be with. I have loved many men, including my 3 previous husbands, but it's nothing like being with a soul mate. We've been married 15 years now and still hold hands whenever we go anywhere together. We don't like being apart even for a few hours.

I guess the only way to actually search for a soul mate would be to try out as many partners as you can to see if each one might be the one. LOL... I sure tried out enough of them for about 10 normal people. But until I met my soul mate I didn't realize just how powerful the energy would be. It was so intense that for the first couple of years it was almost uncomfortable because the vibrations were so strong.

Even now, 15 years later, when he kisses me before leaving for work we both get chills all over. One strange thing is that often when I touch him, like once or twice a day when I walk into his office and put my arm around him, about 80% of the time we get a shock. It even makes a crackling sound. I used to think it was static electricity but it happens no matter if I'm barefoot or have slippers or shoes on. It's been happening for all these years and doesn't seem to happen with anyone else. Maybe it has something to do with our vibratory frequencies being complementary or maybe it raises the frequency when we touch.

We are both very grateful that we're with our soul mate and I'm also glad it happened when we were older since I doubt that either of us could have hung in there in only one relationship when we were younger. We had both sowed most of our wild oats by the time we met. Being together truly is bliss.

Nancy :)

[Belle]

You give me hope, NancyV! I'm in marriage number 3 right now, and though we love each other we both know that it's not enough. There is little depth to the relationship and not much of a common bond...we're kind of like buddies, good pals. He has no clue who I am and doesn't care to know. We talk about surface things only...it's easier that way.

The only spiritual growth I've had has been a struggle to gain, knowing I'm alone and cannot speak about spiritual things in his presence. To him we're born, live, and die and there is nothing after.

I don't know if Dolores Cannon is right in her assessment that we wouldn't grow spiritually with a soul mate...I do know that it can be difficult to grow spiritually when you aren't with one.

[carebear2]

Thanks all, your post give me hope :) meeting my twin flame would be good too

[manny]

many people refer to the term soul mates as partners.
those people who meet a partner who is a soul mate is very lucky.
but there are also different kinds of soul mates.
before we incarnate here on earth ,we have friends who are very close to us.
if we decide we then can become good friends on earth as well.
or sometime in your lifetime a soul friend may make a appearance in your life,at a certain time ,and will make a impact on you.
this could take years,but when the time is right you may bump into them,and vice versa.

look at your closest friends,are they your soul friends you chose to incarnate with.

[MoSh187]

thanks for the input guys! Glad to see there are many here with my same feelings and views on this.

[sllim11]

i do not believe that there is only one soul mate. i think there are many. many that you can find that insane connection with and are drawn to even though it seems unlikely you would actually be together. i think that one must be whole first in themselves before attracting a soul mate. for i do not believe another will make me whole i am already whole. i am complete alone. once with one, i don't think you stop growing spiritually. it is a give and take of what each brings to the relationship. you both add something to the relationship that wasn't there when you are alone. not a completion an addition. and from there you grow. together and on your own within the space you have created.

@belle. i was in a marriage for 13 years and it almost killed my soul/spirit. it was similar to yours in that we were in totally different levels spiritually. and emotionally. and come to think of it in all ways!! HA. needless to say we had once been on a similar level but over the years we grew apart. way apart. my point is i have never grow so much in those last four years , ever. i felt as though i was in the dark night of the soul. in going through it, i became a totally transformed being. the pain is directly proportionable to the freedom and knowledge and peace that i experience now. so because you cannot relate to him at all, you must go within even more so to the truth and strength that lies within. you will grow beyond what you think. you are growing now, i am sure. in hindsight you will see this clearly! just keep moving forward and through. much love and support to you.

[Arrowwind]

many people refer to the term soul mates as partners.
those people who meet a partner who is a soul mate is very lucky.
but there are also different kinds of soul mates.
before we incarnate here on earth ,we have friends who are very close to us.
if we decide we then can become good friends on earth as well.
or sometime in your lifetime a soul friend may make a appearance in your life,at a certain time ,and will make a impact on you.
this could take years,but when the time is right you may bump into them,and vice versa.

look at your closest friends,are they your soul friends you chose to incarnate with.

Yes, manny you bring up other persectives regarding these types of connections. I have never believed that there is only one "soul mate"... as I said previously, I have contacted and been with two in this life... I don't necessarily believe in the twin flame thing... at least I have not seen evidence of it.. although I understand that some people think it is real for them and it very well may be. It is outside of my experience at this time

You speak of soul friends.. and certainly I have had a couple of those two... and I sometimes wondered if they were soul mates, at least for one of them, but since we were both women we could not bond as male and female... but the importance of each other in our lives was astounding. Even now, when many miles and years separate, 2,000 miles and 20 years, us we know when we are thinking of each other, or when a call is coming. Our association designed the rest of our lives in a very profound way. When we do see each other it is as we just picked up again where we had left off... I am not sure if that is a prereq. to pick up where you left off with someone.. it is my nature to be that way with most anyone I meet.

The way I sense it is that there is a family I travel with and we reincounter each other periodically to do specific work together, transreincarnationally. Sometimes our encouters are brief, other times long and enduring, depending on the nature of the work being done.

[9eagle9]

Looking for a soul mates seems a waste of time, finding and being with one certainly doesn't. I think wasting your life waiting for a soul mate is counterproductive. No one is going to want someone who is existing and then just perks up to begin living when another comes on the scene. One has to be happy on their own and not expect someone else to provide it.

Personally I think a better term is 'divine' complement. You both complement the pre existing happiness they've attained individually on on their own.

And when you are happy on your own you have better discernment skills in regards of who to allow in your life.

I have seen and experienced for myself someone who gloms on to you because of the 'way you are' and then busily finds ways to urge you to change until you are no longer the person they initially fell for. So they fall out. "You aren' t the person I fell in love with"

And people try to accommodate lovers like this by changing so much the are no longer themselves. So two strangers end up in the relationship. If you don't know who you are you can't possibly know what you want in another. That's where the real destruction and the need for a healing is after a relationship of that nature...loss of self. Or rather, you gave it away ....

I periodically examine what exactly I would be offering a person.

Ahh the tragedy and the comedy.

[DoubleHelix]

The way I sense it is that there is a family I travel with and we reincounter each other periodically to do specific work together

I Think you touched on something very valid there, I believe we have all have Soul Families and the number of people in this may total quite high. It even stretches to some of your best friends, I think most people have best friends who they connect with profoundly... to the point where it makes a lot of sense that you could very well of shared a history that's spanned many lifetimes.

As for a soul mate / twin flame I haven't crossed paths with mine yet so I can't weigh in on that one. And as for Dolores Cannon I never did resonate with her message so I don't hold her opinion with too much value.

[Artemesia]

when I finally succeed I'm darn sure it's just the beginning of my spiritual growth. I see it like a big journey you take with someone. There's nothing hindering growth since your still on a journey, instead you just have someone along for the ride.

what are your thoughts? are soul mates a waste of time for you?

I found what I beleive to me mine in 2003. It was certainly the beginning of a rapid journey. He provided the grouding I needed in many ways.

And yet.....

The greatest lesson I've learned through it all is that love of self (not selfishness or ego here, to be clear) is the greatest love of all, the access to everything spiritual. I am so grateful to my soul mate for reminding me that I am worth loving, so that I could at long last really do it for myself.

I also am at a point where the fuel for the fire is waning and I might need some separation in order to make more movement at this point. Phases are coming on rapid and also sometimes pass through quickly. At this point, there's more to be done, and some journies must happen alone, the 'relationship entitiy' cannot go there. I'm in progress.

To restate though, the best love to have is your love of self. How you get there is entirely up to you.

[Arrowwind]

[To restate though, the best love to have is your love of self. How you get there is entirely up to you.

and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make..... JL

[HORIZONS]

i do not believe that there is only one soul mate. i think there are many. many that you can find that insane connection with and are drawn to even though it seems unlikely you would actually be together. i think that one must be whole first in themselves before attracting a soul mate. for i do not believe another will make me whole i am already whole. i am complete alone. once with one, i don't think you stop growing spiritually. it is a give and take of what each brings to the relationship. you both add something to the relationship that wasn't there when you are alone. not a completion an addition. and from there you grow. together and on your own within the space you have created.


Very good points indeed! I personally do not cling to the idea, in a relationship, that two halves make a whole – that another person completes me. I feel that I must be a complete whole person own my own, and then I can join with, and be in union with, another individual of the same mindset and have a relationship that does not “need” the other to fulfill me. In this way I am not placing my happiness burden on another’s shoulders – we can then support each other through whatever is going on – build one another up – and live in a true relationship of love. Sailing the sea of life side by side, helping and guiding each other through the storms of life, so that that each individual is a complete person in spirit, soul and body. To me this vision is a great expression of love in action, and one in where we do not have to experience pain in order to experience love.

[MoSh187]

I just lost my Soul mate to an arranged marriage... fortunately my soul has been here since MU so I have at least a few other what I would Call Soul mates around.

I met Saima (Sam) on january 2nd. A psychic in august of last year predicted I would meet her and she would be my soul mate.

On january 2nd I began talking to her on a lucid dreaming forum. An interesting post drew me to her. I messaged her and we soon became friends. sooner than later we began falling in love. But something was wrong... she was very depressed and told me I should forget her... that it was never meant to be. When I asked why she told me that she was in an arranged marriage. She lives in Pakistan.

When she was a young girl she began having vivid imaginations of meeting her soul mate. She talked to him every day. She waited for him her whole life. in her early twenties Men began proposing to her, but none of them were this man she had often dreamed of.

Quite often in conversation with her, she would stop me and say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, what you said is what he used to say to me in my imaginations."

There times I would wake from a vivid dream with Sam in it and the next day I would tell her. She would then say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, I use to see this exact seen in my imaginations."

I sent her a guitar piece that I played once and she said, "I use to hear this in my imaginations."

On valentines day I sent her an ecard... to which she responded, "Honey I am shocked. I was going to send this exact same card."

On certain days she would argue with me fiercely. She kept saying it was too late... she was under depression and sick. I asked her to fight the arranged marriage. She told me she didn't have enough strength. I read the Koran and found a passage in her religious texts that oppose arranged marriages.
Quote:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"


She told me she only said, "yes" to this man because her dream boy never showed up... but since I did show up after she said it. It was already too late. I argued that she could still say no and use this verse to her defense. She said her depression made her to weak... no strength. I said, "Let me be your strength for now,". When she told me she loved me she would say it over and over again.

She went looking for a job with intent to save up for a passport and a visa. she had many job offers but most turned out to be old men who just wanted to marry her. She didn't feel safe working for those places. She would then say, "please Rob, Pray that this an be hurt," To which I would say, "Let his own karma get him. there's nothing I can do from here."

After a while her messages began to taper off. What followed was a two month silence. I was told she was in the Hospital.

I had a long wait. I cried almost nightly for one week. I went back to my psychic just for Sam. She said, "She will lose her free will if she marries this man. She has to exercise her free will to not go into it but she finds it hard because her family is already buying her dress and arranging things."

After two months Sam finally contacted me again. She told me that she was now married and too pray for her. She argued with me a bit. I asked her for proof she was married. This morning I got her picture. I cried for hours this morning and I have decided to move on.

[1159]

Soul mates have been deeply misunderstood in my opinion. Some idea that you find that perfect partner that fulfills all your needs and desires is pure sentimental commercialism. Some people do find an ideal partner and they 'get along' very well. But you have to ask yourself 'what is a soul mate'? Often they are people which have a 'soul contract' with us to in some way facilitate our evolution, resolve karma, or bring about some conflict that causes us to change.

Not always a pleasant experience, but always a growth into maturity. Some of my most challenging relationships in life, the ones I found humanly unpleasant were the ones that caused me to change an grow for the better. We are not all here to have a great time, although some of us are ... Many have come to learn and develop new life experiences and that entails relationships of all kinds.

[MoSh187]

I already stated clearly that I'm not looking for commercialism and unrealistic Ideals. I view it as a journey you take with someone, you have gifts complementing one another and use them to raise your vibration, and others. Not everyone is the same. if You are strong and enjoy your journey through life more the power to you, if you are the person that wants someone with you on your journey to share the experience then more the power to you. I think people should have the right to exercise their choice of what they want in life... and not let any guru force any particular path down your throat. So while not being with a soul mate might not be your goal, keep in mind that others are here to find and grow spiritually with theirs. Just do whatever resonates with you!

[Arpheus]

I think soulmates are just another manufactured lie a myth that has no grounds no be proven by any means,just another distraction to take sway us away from our true path/journey on here,unless someone can provide a very decent explanation as to why would anyone have a soulmate and what its true spiritual purpose would be i will stick to my theory.

[manny]

I think soulmates are just another manufactured lie a myth that has no grounds no be proven by any means,just another distraction to take sway us away from our true path/journey on here,unless someone can provide a very decent explanation as to why would anyone have a soulmate and what its true spiritual purpose would be i will stick to my theory.
try reading this book.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Souls-Studies-Between-Lives/dp/1567184855/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1306603729&sr=1-1
its very interesting and could be a eye opener.

[MoSh187]

I don't care if you think it's a lie or a myth. I don't care much about what has been "proven,". all I need to ask is ,"can I prove it to myself?" and in my experience the answer is yes. Yes I suffered tragedy and pain... but I wouldn't trade that experience for your world view any day and would gladly die to defend it.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

As we journey through this matrix and learn and grow, we begin to realize we are all soul mates.

We talk about love as if it's out there somewhere and we have to find it. Love is in our hearts and we create it. If you are not finding love, ask yourself if you are creating love. Begin generating love, including self love and sending it and giving it to all - and see what happens.

Most intense love relationships are either karmic or sacred contracts - and I don't mean by that they are not wonderful - all love is wonderful and the more we spread it around, the more there will be.

I encourage all that instead of looking for the 'right' person, spend more time becoming the 'right' person. Remember the law of attraction.

[MoSh187]

Exactly I believe my experiences are helping me generate this "love,". quite simply i am learning to love myself and generate it, I have a lot to offer someone.

This is why some of inelia's stuff resonates with me so much. She says that we have the power to attract any timeline that we want. And if someone comes a long and we don't resonate with their goals and timelines, well we have the power to say , "no."

[Jonfen]

Everyone is your soul mate.

[NancyV]

I agree we probably have many soul mates or soul families but maybe only a few "twin flames" or twin soul mates. These are words and concepts that we don't all quite have the same meaning for but basically we're just describing other souls that we've either had many lives with on the physical plane or existences with on other dimensions or maybe were merged with as one being at one point or another in our journey. I am sure that my 31 year old son is a soul mate of mine and have felt that powerful connection since before he was born. He still calls me at least 4-5 days a week since we are best friends. I adore my daughter and don't love her any less, but there is a different type of connection with my son.

I have had relationships with other men whom I felt were strong soul mates of mine but my relationship with my present husband is unique for me and for him. He has probably had many more lovers/relationships than I have (and that's a LOT) being the passionate, macho type male that he was and he never found any love that is as intense as ours. Neither did I and I sure as heck was able and willing! I would put our relationship in the twin flame category. Definitely a very rare occurrence.

You probably have a better chance of staying with a soul mate if you are older and have done a lot of your personal growth. Being with your soul mate or twin flame doesn't guarantee no arguments or disagreements. My husband and I can both be rather (extremely) opinionated, stubborn and have both scared a lot of people when we get angry. I know I scared almost every husband and lover I had and he scared every friend, wife or lover he had, but we don't scare each other since we're so much alike. We have learned how to walk away when we argue intensely since we know the argument will be futile and escalate into an unimaginably violent storm! You have to stay out of arguments like that when you have as many weapons around the house as we have. Way too many knives, swords and guns. Just yesterday my husband was showing me a nice set of 36 throwing knives he wants to buy on EBay so he can teach my 4 year old grandson to throw knives. Gotta start them young! I asked him what's wrong with the 200+ knives he already has and he said they are too BIG for a 4 year old. Ohhhhhh, Okay, good reason to get MORE knives. LOL

Out of all the old friends I have known over the years I can only think of one who has a relationship this intense and she didn't meet her soul mate until after 5 marriages (one of them was to an ex husband of mine) and until she was 68 years old. They've been together 6 years now and still intensely in love. So it's only too late to find your twin flame in this lifetime if you're dead.

Nancy :)

[crownme]

I admit I was a bit disturbed by delores Cannon's interview when she stated that soul mates are a waste of time. She said this because everyone would be satisfied and wouldn't grow spiritually.

Actually in my experience... searching for my soul mate has been a tremendous task of growth and letting go of the past. and when I finally succeed I'm darn sure it's just the beginning of my spiritual growth. I see it like a big journey you take with someone. There's nothing hindering growth since your still on a journey, instead you just have someone along for the ride.

what are your thoughts? are soul mates a waste of time for you?


ellu :)

interesting question so i wants to anwser my thoughts on this :)

what is a soulmate ? the verry first thing i asked when i got introduced to the consept. i just get many anwsers and nothing to hold onto, and none the same.

friend forever. your perfect husband. perfect social partner. the guy you met at the bar one drunken night. and on and on

ok. why do i want a soulmate ? do i even want one ? do i need one to be accepted ?
does this soulmate do something for me ? do the other one also think that "I" are also a soulmate ? am i bothering and slowing down my potential soulmate ?
these are question i ask myself when ive pondered on this subject.

ive been in relationships were these words have been said, but we arent "soulmates" today.

ive had humans tell me that they see me as a soulmate manytimes. but i am not speaking to these humans anymore. and in manytimes ive thought "well i dont see you as a soulmate"

i do see the potential in meeting humans that are capable of tuning into your way of thinking and life, and can help you with situations that can make both you and others grow. but does that equall a soulmate ?

honestly on this planet, a soulmate will slow your growth down. if you get stuck there and constantly trying to level yourself after another being.

but it can be a task worth living if you feel that is an experience you need for your soul. but downside in anycase is that you have to drag another "innocent" being with you on that path. witch do me is selfish and not in my nature. but others like to do it.

ive lived with many humans on this planet. up close and personal. and one thing is for certain, everybody has their little thing they do in their all private place where no one can see em. and everybody have thoughts about everything, and many thoughts you know your "soulmate" wont like to hear.

isnt that just in it self slowing yourself down ? the fear of what another one will think of you after you spoken out.

and on a sidenote, wouldnt that make that soulmate not a soulmate at all since you have to keep some thoughts and oppinions to yourself. or hold in your burp or fart or snott when you have a running nose.

i've learned from everybody that gotten close to me, but this has also slowed me down in my progress. after a while they start expecting me to behave as the same day they met me. that ive changed or make misstakes. and the "new-me" is not the same as "old-soulmate-me" . or i race from them in a event.
guitar has been the worst. met so many potential fellow guitarists and drummers and so on. and it was this soulmate thing again into play. so i got exited and all YEAH LETS ROCK! :D

only to find that i raced from them and suddenly they didnt want to play anymore becouse they felt i dunno not enough.

this event and many more have done it so that i am reluctant to play with others. and when i doo i have to restrain myself when i get exited. now this to me is slowing me down. simply becouse i had to think about someone who had called me soulmate.

after many years ive found that i dont need it my life. and now when i meet those "soulmates" i let them be and walk in peace, becouse if they truly are my soulmate, i shure ass hell dont wanna bother and annoy them and slow them down. i want them to sucseed in what ever field. not have me comming along and sqrewing it up.

and most deffently i dont wanna chain them down and marry em.

witch is an all ridiculus thing to me too :) marriage.

those are my thoughts on this :) has it been a waste of time for me ? well all experiences are goodoo... but now as i understand this planet alittle more i wont be seeking a soulmate ever again :D

!Remmember Namaste!

[Golden]

I feel that we all have soul families (soulmates) that we incarnate with throughout our lifetimes and it appears that we all have an absolute reflection which I will refer to as a "twin flame". It's possible that the time has arrived for the blending of the masculine/feminine aspect's of ourselves. The coming together of "twin flames" is something that just happens when the time is right as I feel that it is orchestrated from a higher part of ourselves. After year's of clearing/balancing/meditating I felt that I had achieved a somewhat centered place within myself and then it happened.....I slammed right into my twin flame....I was not seeking someone...it just happened. It's called "Divine Sacred Union".

In peace and fellowship,
Golden

[MoSh187]

I admit I was a bit disturbed by delores Cannon's interview when she stated that soul mates are a waste of time. She said this because everyone would be satisfied and wouldn't grow spiritually.

Actually in my experience... searching for my soul mate has been a tremendous task of growth and letting go of the past. and when I finally succeed I'm darn sure it's just the beginning of my spiritual growth. I see it like a big journey you take with someone. There's nothing hindering growth since your still on a journey, instead you just have someone along for the ride.

what are your thoughts? are soul mates a waste of time for you?


ellu :)

interesting question so i wants to anwser my thoughts on this :)

what is a soulmate ? the verry first thing i asked when i got introduced to the consept. i just get many anwsers and nothing to hold onto, and none the same.

friend forever. your perfect husband. perfect social partner. the guy you met at the bar one drunken night. and on and on

ok. why do i want a soulmate ? do i even want one ? do i need one to be accepted ?
does this soulmate do something for me ? do the other one also think that "I" are also a soulmate ? am i bothering and slowing down my potential soulmate ?
these are question i ask myself when ive pondered on this subject.

ive been in relationships were these words have been said, but we arent "soulmates" today.

ive had humans tell me that they see me as a soulmate manytimes. but i am not speaking to these humans anymore. and in manytimes ive thought "well i dont see you as a soulmate"

i do see the potential in meeting humans that are capable of tuning into your way of thinking and life, and can help you with situations that can make both you and others grow. but does that equall a soulmate ?

honestly on this planet, a soulmate will slow your growth down. if you get stuck there and constantly trying to level yourself after another being.

but it can be a task worth living if you feel that is an experience you need for your soul. but downside in anycase is that you have to drag another "innocent" being with you on that path. witch do me is selfish and not in my nature. but others like to do it.

ive lived with many humans on this planet. up close and personal. and one thing is for certain, everybody has their little thing they do in their all private place where no one can see em. and everybody have thoughts about everything, and many thoughts you know your "soulmate" wont like to hear.

isnt that just in it self slowing yourself down ? the fear of what another one will think of you after you spoken out.

and on a sidenote, wouldnt that make that soulmate not a soulmate at all since you have to keep some thoughts and oppinions to yourself. or hold in your burp or fart or snott when you have a running nose.

i've learned from everybody that gotten close to me, but this has also slowed me down in my progress. after a while they start expecting me to behave as the same day they met me. that ive changed or make misstakes. and the "new-me" is not the same as "old-soulmate-me" . or i race from them in a event.
guitar has been the worst. met so many potential fellow guitarists and drummers and so on. and it was this soulmate thing again into play. so i got exited and all YEAH LETS ROCK! :D

only to find that i raced from them and suddenly they didnt want to play anymore becouse they felt i dunno not enough.

this event and many more have done it so that i am reluctant to play with others. and when i doo i have to restrain myself when i get exited. now this to me is slowing me down. simply becouse i had to think about someone who had called me soulmate.

after many years ive found that i dont need it my life. and now when i meet those "soulmates" i let them be and walk in peace, becouse if they truly are my soulmate, i shure ass hell dont wanna bother and annoy them and slow them down. i want them to sucseed in what ever field. not have me comming along and sqrewing it up.

and most deffently i dont wanna chain them down and marry em.

witch is an all ridiculus thing to me too :) marriage.

those are my thoughts on this :) has it been a waste of time for me ? well all experiences are goodoo... but now as i understand this planet alittle more i wont be seeking a soulmate ever again :D

!Remmember Namaste!

I totally disagree with you. saying that being with someone is dragging them down with you and they are your victims? wth... That's ridiculous, and absurd. My plan is to grow with them foo. Your timeline, not mine.

[crownme]

ellu :)

and you are totally free in having that oppinion :)

felt i had to anwser alittle then :) explain my uhm thoughts :)

"I totally disagree with you. saying that being with someone is dragging them down with you and they are your victims? wth... That's ridiculous, and absurd. My plan is to grow with them foo. Your timeline, not mine. "

as i said you are free to dissagree with me, wouldn't haf it anyother way relly.

ok when i hinted at you are dragging eachother down. first off read the whole consept not the exerp please :)
it can be a experience worth having. so dont put words in my mouth that anyone are my victims please. i never said such a thing. that is in your head not mine.

i see the reality of sharing your life with another human. its never all happy fresh cut grass ya know that right ?

yeah grown with them by all meens, that is not what i am talking about.

i try and explain this way then :) if it is your soulmate, why would you grow next to him/her when you know you are stealing the neutrients from the soil of your soulmate.

and you start moving inn your weed into that same soil, and your issues and bizzy bee's. is that kind to your pressious soulmate ? it aint to me. by all meens you go do that, i have no worries about this.

and just so i get to point it really out here, "and they are your victims? wth... That's ridiculous, and absurd." this you said. you know i never said anything about victims, so that makes you pretty ridiculus for making that up about me and theeeen you call me absurd and ridiculus. and you were the one who put it out there...

do not put words in my mouth please i ask you nicley

namaste

[MoSh187]

but it can be a task worth living if you feel that is an experience you need for your soul. but downside in anycase is that you have to drag another "innocent" being with you on that path. witch do me is selfish and not in my nature. but others like to do it.

no but you eluded to it. and I have no idea what you are saying when you say you are stealing energy from someone.... A good relationship is mutual exchange of energy and is not one sided. please explain "stealing the nutrients from them," that makes no sense.

you keep thinking I am trying to drag someone down a path with me. Not at all... it's more like two people meeting on the same path and sharing it with one another. The key word is "sharing."

[crownme]

but it can be a task worth living if you feel that is an experience you need for your soul. but downside in anycase is that you have to drag another "innocent" being with you on that path. witch do me is selfish and not in my nature. but others like to do it.

no but you eluded to it. and I have no idea what you are saying when you say you are stealing energy from someone.... A good relationship is mutual exchange of energy and is not one sided. please explain "stealing the nutrients from them," that makes no sense.

you keep thinking I am trying to drag someone down a path with me. Not at all... it's more like two people meeting on the same path and sharing it with one another. The key word is "sharing."

hehe i eluded to it :) mabye you just wanted to see that in what i wrote ;)

but yeah let me explain some more then :)

take one relationship i had, i was alittle shall we say energized in the beginning. and i drank and partyed some, like most do :)
but i get tired of those scenes pretty fast, so i changed. i went from that to cleaning in the home, making dinners and doing stuff like that instead at home and started to focus alittle more on my life.
i got left on the basis that ive changed, and was not "normal" anymore.

now i wasnt a saint in this relationship, we had fight over cash and the toiletseat like most have.

but when i look back on that situation, i see now that she demanded from me to stay the same and not to grow from her. but is that fair to me ? is that fair to her ? should i just say "no we are soulmates, we are sticking together and keep pissing eachother off" ?

she stole my calmness and i stole her eagerness to go out to party. but we were ahhhh oohhhhh sooo in love. soulmates..

i never said it was one sided did i ? if i did im sorry.

that is kinda the whole thing for me. its 2 sides.
to me its fine to join someone for alittle while on the same road.

but thats exactly it, it is 2 roads in life. i aint taking no one with me on my road. i kno ima gonna get into stuff that most humans dont like. i want/need the space to change and grow to become.

as i say by all meens stay together with your soulmate. im not saying that others shouldnt do this. by all meens :)

it aint for me. it slows me down and has never changed for me. and i dont want that for either me nor others. becouse i know i will change to something else. and that may hurt the potential soulmate and ruin the whole deal

yeah sharing is fine and dandy.... on paper...

im not gonna stand and lie about that. i know everyone ive met are greedy bastards in their own way.

either its on feeling better than your partner. making that partner feel good so you can feel good. money cash materialism is always a big key on this planet. your wife getting new shoes that you really just dont like becouse you dont understand why she needs 50 pair of shoes and your creditcard. and you well want to sit on couch, eat and wach tv.

sharing is nice on paper and television....

just before you go off on a rant, no im not saying everybody has it this way. many have it MUCH worse...

you seen those soulmates havent ya? the wife with 4 kids and a black eye, husband with potbelly and beer in hand. both standing there saying their soulmates....

and the lieing soulmates, what about them huh ? the ones that just sqrews you over for being naive ?

you probally herd of those soulmates too, good marriage, kids, good jobs and school. only to show underneath it all the kid is smoking crack, the wife is having an afair with a guy named rocco. the husband working his ass off on a job where his boss is threatening him everyday of layoff, pay all the bills and puts on a big fake ass smile and says "im happy, im so happy with my soulmate, we have kids and a happy home"

namaste

[MoSh187]

Crown. to me it just sounds like you are letting a few bad experiences run your perception of the world. no, I don't advocate all the ugliness or men beating women, or women hurting men. We all attract what we generate. If you look for cracks in the porcelain you're going to find them, but just because they are there, don't let that ruin the rest of the handiwork for you. no relationship is perfect. I've known people in wonderful relationships... and yes they all had their problems. It's called life, crap happens and so does good things too. If you can't handle or accept the truth that bad things happen and people make mistakes and that crap generally happens here and we try to do our best anyway... if you can't handle that... then you are probably going to be on this earth a very long time.

[crownme]

Crown. to me it just sounds like you are letting a few bad experiences run your perception of the world. no, I don't advocate all the ugliness or men beating women, or women hurting men. We all attract what we generate. If you look for cracks in the porcelain you're going to find them, but just because they are there, don't let that ruin the rest of the handiwork for you. no relationship is perfect. I've known people in wonderful relationships... and yes they all had their problems. It's called life, crap happens and so does good things too. If you can't handle or accept the truth that bad things happen and people make mistakes and that crap generally happens here and we try to do our best anyway... if you can't handle that... then you are probably going to be on this earth a very long time.

that is exactly were i find my self quite oposite of what you speak :)

i can come with happy thoughts too. my mom and dad, always married, haf farm and house and do their thing.

and im most deffently not letting this run my life. i never looked for the cracks. and i never before looked at those things i said. this is what i see and experienced. nothing more, nothing less.

if you want to put me down for that by all meens

and i dont advocate it either. i say it is there. im not gonna be a coward and shwoop it under the rug.

you know you are right in one acount, we atract what we generate. and i have generated envirorments that make others welcome to come to me with their issues and problems, aaand that landed me in a few relationships where the otherpart wanted fixing and someone to listen to their problems.

i was their "soulmate"

was that fair to me ? kinda mute question since im verry aware that it was my choice to stick around. i wanted to help ofc :)

what you write of life and **** happens. well is what ima kinda writing through it all here. im standing here saying "hey its not all green and grassy stuff this"

and i accept that and are quite happy actually :)

and i do see i have to ask you nicley to not act as you know who i am and as you lived my life and tell me how and this and that. please.
(and you can do better than the old one like "you cant handle the truth") ((made me lol))

so please dont be so arrogant that you can just read a few lines of me and then suddenly you can throw around that i cant handle or accept the truth.

i know verry well what choices ive done and how i live my life thank you verry much :)

and the old karma stick that im gonna be on this planet a long time hehe :) please dont show off to arrogant as you know how to live perfectly like a human ;) a.k.a your way (you ego)

look dude/dudette. fine if you want to judge me for how i live my life. thats on you not me. but dont expect me to just hang on to your words here.

if you want to chase this thing like its the supreme last thing to do as a human, be my guest. im not joining that one. it seems to me many gets furious about this, like its only get a good job and marry and get kids and then you can die. like what ?

what about all else ? what if i dont wanna chain down another soul and link them to my karma ? and their karma over to me?

what if i want to help out my soulmates by meeting em at the crossroads of life and give them my update how im doing in my life and move. im not so selfish that i need to hang on to them for my own benefit.

if thats yer cup o tea, kewl :)

namaste

[MoSh187]

no I'm not exactly judging you... I'm sorry you've been hurt in the past. so have I. But I'm not going to let that ruin the fun.

[crownme]

hehe

well thnk ye.

did i say end the fun ? that was deffently not my thing with this. i red first post and anwsered :)

i actually haf a greater time than ever now that ive laid that side to rest. and i pursue joy and fun, couse as most entities i am a playful curious loving being.

and just so its been said. ive not been hurt in my past :) but i understand if you think so from what ive written. but have no regrets and no bad thoughts around well relationships with the humans race :)

im verry aware that i create and i am part of well my own experience. hence im always responsible in any action i take. and then i have to prepare for what i know is comming back at me.

so since im aware of this law, makes it so that i understand that it is I who is the beholder and creator of my own paradigm. so when i get into bad situations i do know im just as responsible of what happens no matter who does whatever deed.

and that is why i never have gotten hurt, i take personal responsibility of my actions. and know it is I who makes my feelings or creates the situation to make me understand feeling like sorrow and or happy feelings. that makes it "my fault", and I is the core reson of these reactions and feelings. and it is I who wanted this to understand it.

namaste

[Lord Sidious]

I just lost my Soul mate to an arranged marriage... fortunately my soul has been here since MU so I have at least a few other what I would Call Soul mates around.

I met Saima (Sam) on january 2nd. A psychic in august of last year predicted I would meet her and she would be my soul mate.

On january 2nd I began talking to her on a lucid dreaming forum. An interesting post drew me to her. I messaged her and we soon became friends. sooner than later we began falling in love. But something was wrong... she was very depressed and told me I should forget her... that it was never meant to be. When I asked why she told me that she was in an arranged marriage. She lives in Pakistan.

When she was a young girl she began having vivid imaginations of meeting her soul mate. She talked to him every day. She waited for him her whole life. in her early twenties Men began proposing to her, but none of them were this man she had often dreamed of.

Quite often in conversation with her, she would stop me and say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, what you said is what he used to say to me in my imaginations."

There times I would wake from a vivid dream with Sam in it and the next day I would tell her. She would then say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, I use to see this exact seen in my imaginations."

I sent her a guitar piece that I played once and she said, "I use to hear this in my imaginations."

On valentines day I sent her an ecard... to which she responded, "Honey I am shocked. I was going to send this exact same card."

On certain days she would argue with me fiercely. She kept saying it was too late... she was under depression and sick. I asked her to fight the arranged marriage. She told me she didn't have enough strength. I read the Koran and found a passage in her religious texts that oppose arranged marriages.
Quote:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"


She told me she only said, "yes" to this man because her dream boy never showed up... but since I did show up after she said it. It was already too late. I argued that she could still say no and use this verse to her defense. She said her depression made her to weak... no strength. I said, "Let me be your strength for now,". When she told me she loved me she would say it over and over again.

She went looking for a job with intent to save up for a passport and a visa. she had many job offers but most turned out to be old men who just wanted to marry her. She didn't feel safe working for those places. She would then say, "please Rob, Pray that this an be hurt," To which I would say, "Let his own karma get him. there's nothing I can do from here."

After a while her messages began to taper off. What followed was a two month silence. I was told she was in the Hospital.

I had a long wait. I cried almost nightly for one week. I went back to my psychic just for Sam. She said, "She will lose her free will if she marries this man. She has to exercise her free will to not go into it but she finds it hard because her family is already buying her dress and arranging things."

After two months Sam finally contacted me again. She told me that she was now married and too pray for her. She argued with me a bit. I asked her for proof she was married. This morning I got her picture. I cried for hours this morning and I have decided to move on.

I am deeply sorry to hear of yours and her pain.
Don't mind me pointing this out, but if she is worth the effort, then surely she is worth the effort to hang in there? She needs you to hang in, not give up on her.
There are ways to have islamic marriages annulled and remember, that where money speaks all law is silent.
If he was offered $x amount, would he release her?
If so, do it.
This may be part of yours and her test and it may not be finished yet. You are connected to her, that is not common, do not let that just go.
I would offer you my help, but the timing is wrong right now.
If you don't resolve this by about July, PM me, I will do whatever I can to sort this out so that you guys can be together.

[Carmen]

This story above is soo sad.

[MoSh187]

That's very kind of you Lord Sidious. Money is not something I have right now. I think it's mainly a lesson for her, to gather her own strength and follow her soul and heart's path even if her family disowns her. We still keep in contact. we seem to have an unusual connection through dreams, I told her she could always find me in them. During my depression in this situation I quite foolishly spent money I shouldn't have talking to various psychics on keen.com. Now what is interesting is that they almost unanimously (5 out of 7) said I will be meeting a new soul mate around late june and early july... I've also had a lot of synchronicity around this as well. Many of them also said that my contact with Sam won't end... she'll eventually find a way to pull herself out of her circumstances and go out and do her own thing. She is able to contact me through internet at her parent's house, I predict the connections will be quite sporadic. Even if we aren't meant to be in this lifetime I will always let her know i am available for friendship and support. Maybe this woman i will meet will be the one I spend a lot of my life with, maybe we will only be together temporarily... or maybe your offer around the time I meet this woman will be the better choice. I can't say for now. I want to leave the future as wide open as possible.

[Lord Sidious]

It is your destiny brother, you have to do what you feel is right.
And the thing is, I remember years ago reading a section of the qu'ran that resonated with me.
''Whatever you want, want it for your brother first''
and you are my brother, your pain is my pain, your joy is mine too.

[MoSh187]

thank you man. I have done some reading on the Quran and culturally why arranged marriages are the way they are in Pakistan.... which is actually quite epidemic... and another thing is I am not a muslim... and If I ever converted I would be an EXTREME moderate haha... but for her I would do it. I've read accounts of men going to america and converting an american woman... only to have his parents try to disown him, or lure him back and try to force him into marriage. Qu'ran and other texts on Islamic law are VERY CLEAR on marriage laws... the marriage practices in Pakistan seem to me more of a cultural problem than a religious one.

And yes much of your posts before we spoke resonated with me. I do recognize a brother when I see one :wave:

[Lord Sidious]

Much of what goes on in the ''islamic'' world is cultural, not tied to the system itself, other than by convenience.

[9eagle9]

A piece of well meant 'advance' advice from a person who has had a similar experience. We are energetically connected or corded into the people we love. More so with soul mate types of connections. Knowing that you want to remain connected you have to plug in differently, rearrange the connection. You may decide at some point to sever it entirely.

Sometimes the other party lets go and allow this sort of re arrangement, and sometimes they resist. Mine resisted, repeatedly, wanting the cake and to eat it to (in a manner of speaking) so I had to sever the connection entirely and it took a long time to do it because he kept glomming on to me, for me it was like carrying a 170 pound man around all the time, draining, depressing.. You feel like a prisoner you want to move on but they are sitting on you. So the sooner the done the better. I let mine go on too long for the wrong reasons.

1) its like having an open phone line to them and its not pleasant (to say the least) to have yourself exposed to that sort of energy particularly when they are 1) depressed 2) with someone else. You nearly become forced to be a voyeur and it becomes nearly impossible to get over it because you are still 'in it'. The energy moves both ways, and you may end up energizing her depression. But there's this painful aspect attached to it know. So rearrange it for how it feels comfortable to you but rearrange it from the original soul mate connection.

2) Very likely there's a contract with your two, and agreement. Like rearranging the cording you have to renegotiate the contract between you. That may even help her depression a bit.

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I already stated clearly that I'm not looking for commercialism and unrealistic Ideals. I view it as a journey you take with someone, you have gifts complementing one another and use them to raise your vibration, and others. Not everyone is the same. if You are strong and enjoy your journey through life more the power to you, if you are the person that wants someone with you on your journey to share the experience then more the power to you. I think people should have the right to exercise their choice of what they want in life... and not let any guru force any particular path down your throat. So while not being with a soul mate might not be your goal, keep in mind that others are here to find and grow spiritually with theirs. Just do whatever resonates with you!

[MoSh187]

A piece of well meant 'advance' advice from a person who has had a similar experience. We are energetically connected or corded into the people we love. More so with soul mate types of connections. Knowing that you want to remain connected you have to plug in differently, rearrange the connection. You may decide at some point to sever it entirely.

Sometimes the other party lets go and allow this sort of re arrangement, and sometimes they resist. Mine resisted, repeatedly, wanting the cake and to eat it to (in a manner of speaking) so I had to sever the connection entirely and it took a long time to do it because he kept glomming on to me, for me it was like carrying a 170 pound man around all the time, draining, depressing.. You feel like a prisoner you want to move on but they are sitting on you. So the sooner the done the better. I let mine go on too long for the wrong reasons.

1) its like having an open phone line to them and its not pleasant (to say the least) to have yourself exposed to that sort of energy particularly when they are 1) depressed 2) with someone else. You nearly become forced to be a voyeur and it becomes nearly impossible to get over it because you are still 'in it'. The energy moves both ways, and you may end up energizing her depression. But there's this painful aspect attached to it know. So rearrange it for how it feels comfortable to you but rearrange it from the original soul mate connection.

2) Very likely there's a contract with your two, and agreement. Like rearranging the cording you have to renegotiate the contract between you. That may even help her depression a bit.

huggles...




Thank you, Thanks for bringing in your own womanly perspective. and I agree... talking with her was very draining when she would throw her depression at me, and quite often I would have to leave the conversation. Before she even sent the picture I was already beginning to let her go, a psychic suggested that I clearly spell out for my guides, guardian angels.. (call them what you will...) what kind of person I want to attract. And I was very clear "someone on my continent, Someone who's more where I am who isn't bogged down by depression or terrible cirumstances, Someone who is where I am at right now, someone who actually makes the leap towards something good when they see it etc." and I did get my answers from dreams and other seers. It's hard for me but I am already re arranging the chords to "friendship support mode," for now, because I am very interested in meeting this other woman I have been told about. You're right I may have to sever it at some point.

[Athos]

I work to see my soul mates every day because I believe we are all soul mates. For me, then my task is to see that spark and connection in another. Its not always possible for me to see it, but I still know it is there even when some part of me refuses to see it. Today I passed a soul mate who was walking home from work. I pulled over and gave my soul mate a ride home and asked how they were doing. I must agree with slim11 above and will repeat what she said and that is you "must be whole first in themselves before attracting a soul mate."

[Star1111]

I just recently lost my Soul Mate (in this incarnation) but what a wonderful experience and yes, it did help me to 'evolve more' spiritualy having my soulmate with me, but I remember the messages and continue to develop albeit somewhat sadly :(

[Lord Sidious]

I just recently lost my Soul Mate (in this incarnation) but what a wonderful experience and yes, it did help me to 'evolve more' spiritualy having my soulmate with me, but I remember the messages and continue to develop albeit somewhat sadly :(

Sorry to hear that.
Here is Ofra to sing for you then.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04PXWfOu2A0

[raymond]

I admit I was a bit disturbed by delores Cannon's interview when she stated that soul mates are a waste of time. She said this because everyone would be satisfied and wouldn't grow spiritually.

Actually in my experience... searching for my soul mate has been a tremendous task of growth and letting go of the past. and when I finally succeed I'm darn sure it's just the beginning of my spiritual growth. I see it like a big journey you take with someone. There's nothing hindering growth since your still on a journey, instead you just have someone along for the ride.

what are your thoughts? are soul mates a waste of time for you?

the only true soul mate which you need is the soul mate inside your being

there is no use searching for soul mates outside yourself because you will never find him or her

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Hi Mo, When we first found each other, we had to learn that there were in fact three lives going on in our relationship. There was the one we shared, the one that was his and the one that was mine. I feel that we are very, very lucky to find our soul mates. There was a steep learning curve to undergo, a whole heap of education to undertake, etc, etc. I truly do not believe I would be happy if I had not met him, my darling husband, my soul mate and learned to be with him, as he learned to be with me. I feel I would still be struggling to find myself.

the definition of a soul mate is someone who shares the same soul as you..

since your partner will die first or you will die first if there is no divorce or separation in the first place, how can he be your soul mate?

besides, are you sure your present husband is your only soul mate in ALL your incarnations? Are you sure you didn't have no other partner in other incarnations?

if there's the case, then I have thousands of soul mates cos i have had thousands of incarnations

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Can one actually search for a soul mate?

I think I have had contact with two "soul mates' in this life.
These are people that I feel that I have had extended Karma with
over the course of many lifetimes. They are a joy and a challenge.
and provide opportunity for profound learning..

Unlike Delores Cannon, my view is that soul mates do not necessarily
bring endless satisfaction... quite the contrary... they will lead to unprecidented
growth... which can bring satisfaction, but can also bring significant challenge and
possibly turmoil

But how can you seek a soul mate? Seems to me that you are
"gravatationally" drawn to one another... and no matter what you do or say
it will happen if the time is right for it to happen, regardless of miles, purpose, intent,
desire, fear etc.

Marriage is suppose to bring chaos and problems into one's life so that one can learn to temper one's personality flaws and evolve one soul

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i spent thirty three years without my soul mate and i missed her every minute of every day. and now we are together again it is absolute bliss. does this mean we have stopped our search for enlightenment? No emphatically not! But we now search with more discernment.We pool our research, she has a far greater grasp of eastern esotericism than I... on the other hand i have a greater knowledge of the present cultural paradigm. The whole becomes greater than the two parts, totally complimenting each other. i thank God each day that we have found each other now... when we are both old enough to know the value of what we have.

have fun while it last

you know that both you or your soul mate will leave the relationship sooner or later

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I think the journey changes after you find your soulmate.
As Ktlight pointed out, you have 3 lives involved in the deal now, not just yours.
Plus, you can learn from each other, learn common lessons together and maybe shed some of your flaws, like selfishness, greed, envy, things like that.
I think going from the solo journey to the shared journey can bring HUGE growth and growth that can't be gained solo or if it is possible, it would take a lot longer.
The thing is this, man and woman were created different for a reason and that is to compliment each other.
The soul is like a powerswitch, you can draw energy through it and the more good energy you draw, the cleaner you become.
Look at Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith when he drew too much dark energy in a hurry to defeat mace windu, he became disfigured and scarred.
Havine a soul that you love more than life itself with you can bring out the best in you, but it can bring out the worst too.
So these nuggets who say there is no more growth need to wind their heads in and find a soul mate and see for themselves.

a female gender species is created separately from man so that humanity has a chance to repopulate itself

in the end, luke skywalker doesn't need a woman to defeat Darth Vader.. he did it all by himself..

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Dolores Cannon may be correct that soul mates are very satisfying to be with but I don't agree with her at all that you don't grow spiritually when with a soul mate. I finally met my soul mate when I was 48 and he was 41. It was the 4th marriage for each of us and we both knew immediately that we were the ones we had unknowingly been searching for all our lives. We have both changed and learned from each other and definitely haven't been stagnant.

Even when I was young I knew there was one man out there somewhere that I was supposed to be with. I have loved many men, including my 3 previous husbands, but it's nothing like being with a soul mate. We've been married 15 years now and still hold hands whenever we go anywhere together. We don't like being apart even for a few hours.

I guess the only way to actually search for a soul mate would be to try out as many partners as you can to see if each one might be the one. LOL... I sure tried out enough of them for about 10 normal people. But until I met my soul mate I didn't realize just how powerful the energy would be. It was so intense that for the first couple of years it was almost uncomfortable because the vibrations were so strong.

Even now, 15 years later, when he kisses me before leaving for work we both get chills all over. One strange thing is that often when I touch him, like once or twice a day when I walk into his office and put my arm around him, about 80% of the time we get a shock. It even makes a crackling sound. I used to think it was static electricity but it happens no matter if I'm barefoot or have slippers or shoes on. It's been happening for all these years and doesn't seem to happen with anyone else. Maybe it has something to do with our vibratory frequencies being complementary or maybe it raises the frequency when we touch.

We are both very grateful that we're with our soul mate and I'm also glad it happened when we were older since I doubt that either of us could have hung in there in only one relationship when we were younger. We had both sowed most of our wild oats by the time we met. Being together truly is bliss.

Nancy :)

we have to get accustomed to the fact that every human will have more than one soul mate in his life.. there is no such thing as unique soul mates

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You give me hope, NancyV! I'm in marriage number 3 right now, and though we love each other we both know that it's not enough. There is little depth to the relationship and not much of a common bond...we're kind of like buddies, good pals. He has no clue who I am and doesn't care to know. We talk about surface things only...it's easier that way.

The only spiritual growth I've had has been a struggle to gain, knowing I'm alone and cannot speak about spiritual things in his presence. To him we're born, live, and die and there is nothing after.

I don't know if Dolores Cannon is right in her assessment that we wouldn't grow spiritually with a soul mate...I do know that it can be difficult to grow spiritually when you aren't with one.

marriage number 3 .. well said..

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I just lost my Soul mate to an arranged marriage... fortunately my soul has been here since MU so I have at least a few other what I would Call Soul mates around.

I met Saima (Sam) on january 2nd. A psychic in august of last year predicted I would meet her and she would be my soul mate.

On january 2nd I began talking to her on a lucid dreaming forum. An interesting post drew me to her. I messaged her and we soon became friends. sooner than later we began falling in love. But something was wrong... she was very depressed and told me I should forget her... that it was never meant to be. When I asked why she told me that she was in an arranged marriage. She lives in Pakistan.

When she was a young girl she began having vivid imaginations of meeting her soul mate. She talked to him every day. She waited for him her whole life. in her early twenties Men began proposing to her, but none of them were this man she had often dreamed of.

Quite often in conversation with her, she would stop me and say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, what you said is what he used to say to me in my imaginations."

There times I would wake from a vivid dream with Sam in it and the next day I would tell her. She would then say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, I use to see this exact seen in my imaginations."

I sent her a guitar piece that I played once and she said, "I use to hear this in my imaginations."

On valentines day I sent her an ecard... to which she responded, "Honey I am shocked. I was going to send this exact same card."

On certain days she would argue with me fiercely. She kept saying it was too late... she was under depression and sick. I asked her to fight the arranged marriage. She told me she didn't have enough strength. I read the Koran and found a passage in her religious texts that oppose arranged marriages.
Quote:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"


She told me she only said, "yes" to this man because her dream boy never showed up... but since I did show up after she said it. It was already too late. I argued that she could still say no and use this verse to her defense. She said her depression made her to weak... no strength. I said, "Let me be your strength for now,". When she told me she loved me she would say it over and over again.

She went looking for a job with intent to save up for a passport and a visa. she had many job offers but most turned out to be old men who just wanted to marry her. She didn't feel safe working for those places. She would then say, "please Rob, Pray that this an be hurt," To which I would say, "Let his own karma get him. there's nothing I can do from here."

After a while her messages began to taper off. What followed was a two month silence. I was told she was in the Hospital.

I had a long wait. I cried almost nightly for one week. I went back to my psychic just for Sam. She said, "She will lose her free will if she marries this man. She has to exercise her free will to not go into it but she finds it hard because her family is already buying her dress and arranging things."

After two months Sam finally contacted me again. She told me that she was now married and too pray for her. She argued with me a bit. I asked her for proof she was married. This morning I got her picture. I cried for hours this morning and I have decided to move on.

you should thank god that you are still free

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I think soulmates are just another manufactured lie a myth that has no grounds no be proven by any means,just another distraction to take sway us away from our true path/journey on here,unless someone can provide a very decent explanation as to why would anyone have a soulmate and what its true spiritual purpose would be i will stick to my theory.

the real soulmate is our own higher self

the media created this illusion of a soulmate in some other person's body outside our own because TPTB would do everything to prevent us from finding and integrating with our higher selves

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Everyone is your soul mate.

This is the best post in this thread.

[raymond]

I just lost my Soul mate to an arranged marriage... fortunately my soul has been here since MU so I have at least a few other what I would Call Soul mates around.

I met Saima (Sam) on january 2nd. A psychic in august of last year predicted I would meet her and she would be my soul mate.

On january 2nd I began talking to her on a lucid dreaming forum. An interesting post drew me to her. I messaged her and we soon became friends. sooner than later we began falling in love. But something was wrong... she was very depressed and told me I should forget her... that it was never meant to be. When I asked why she told me that she was in an arranged marriage. She lives in Pakistan.

When she was a young girl she began having vivid imaginations of meeting her soul mate. She talked to him every day. She waited for him her whole life. in her early twenties Men began proposing to her, but none of them were this man she had often dreamed of.

Quite often in conversation with her, she would stop me and say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, what you said is what he used to say to me in my imaginations."

There times I would wake from a vivid dream with Sam in it and the next day I would tell her. She would then say, "Rob honey, I am shocked, I use to see this exact seen in my imaginations."

I sent her a guitar piece that I played once and she said, "I use to hear this in my imaginations."

On valentines day I sent her an ecard... to which she responded, "Honey I am shocked. I was going to send this exact same card."

On certain days she would argue with me fiercely. She kept saying it was too late... she was under depression and sick. I asked her to fight the arranged marriage. She told me she didn't have enough strength. I read the Koran and found a passage in her religious texts that oppose arranged marriages.
Quote:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"


She told me she only said, "yes" to this man because her dream boy never showed up... but since I did show up after she said it. It was already too late. I argued that she could still say no and use this verse to her defense. She said her depression made her to weak... no strength. I said, "Let me be your strength for now,". When she told me she loved me she would say it over and over again.

She went looking for a job with intent to save up for a passport and a visa. she had many job offers but most turned out to be old men who just wanted to marry her. She didn't feel safe working for those places. She would then say, "please Rob, Pray that this an be hurt," To which I would say, "Let his own karma get him. there's nothing I can do from here."

After a while her messages began to taper off. What followed was a two month silence. I was told she was in the Hospital.

I had a long wait. I cried almost nightly for one week. I went back to my psychic just for Sam. She said, "She will lose her free will if she marries this man. She has to exercise her free will to not go into it but she finds it hard because her family is already buying her dress and arranging things."

After two months Sam finally contacted me again. She told me that she was now married and too pray for her. She argued with me a bit. I asked her for proof she was married. This morning I got her picture. I cried for hours this morning and I have decided to move on.

I am deeply sorry to hear of yours and her pain.
Don't mind me pointing this out, but if she is worth the effort, then surely she is worth the effort to hang in there? She needs you to hang in, not give up on her.
There are ways to have islamic marriages annulled and remember, that where money speaks all law is silent.
If he was offered $x amount, would he release her?
If so, do it.
This may be part of yours and her test and it may not be finished yet. You are connected to her, that is not common, do not let that just go.
I would offer you my help, but the timing is wrong right now.
If you don't resolve this by about July, PM me, I will do whatever I can to sort this out so that you guys can be together.

MoSh187 will get his smiles back when he find another pakistani soulmate

imagine your "soul-mate" getting hitched to another guy in an arranged marriage

one wonders how true to each other your souls are..

what a joke.. lol..

sorry MoSh187 i have to laugh at your naive and shallow outlook on love..

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That's very kind of you Lord Sidious. Money is not something I have right now. I think it's mainly a lesson for her, to gather her own strength and follow her soul and heart's path even if her family disowns her. We still keep in contact. we seem to have an unusual connection through dreams, I told her she could always find me in them. During my depression in this situation I quite foolishly spent money I shouldn't have talking to various psychics on keen.com. Now what is interesting is that they almost unanimously (5 out of 7) said I will be meeting a new soul mate around late june and early july... I've also had a lot of synchronicity around this as well. Many of them also said that my contact with Sam won't end... she'll eventually find a way to pull herself out of her circumstances and go out and do her own thing. She is able to contact me through internet at her parent's house, I predict the connections will be quite sporadic. Even if we aren't meant to be in this lifetime I will always let her know i am available for friendship and support. Maybe this woman i will meet will be the one I spend a lot of my life with, maybe we will only be together temporarily... or maybe your offer around the time I meet this woman will be the better choice. I can't say for now. I want to leave the future as wide open as possible.

as you said , the psychics predicted you will find a better soul mate.. and then maybe they will predict you will find an even better soul mate next year too..

;)

[Lord Sidious]

I think it best you don't laugh at anyone.
The rule of three will show you the error of your ways my friend.
When in doubt, speak not.
There was no need to be as rude as that Raymond.

[Star1111]

I am deeply sorry to hear of yours and her pain.
Don't mind me pointing this out, but if she is worth the effort, then surely she is worth the effort to hang in there? She needs you to hang in, not give up on her.
There are ways to have islamic marriages annulled and remember, that where money speaks all law is silent.
If he was offered $x amount, would he release her?
If so, do it.
This may be part of yours and her test and it may not be finished yet. You are connected to her, that is not common, do not let that just go.
I would offer you my help, but the timing is wrong right now.
If you don't resolve this by about July, PM me, I will do whatever I can to sort this out so that you guys can be together.[/QUOTE]





Lord Sid, what a beautiful offer of help! Mosh187 - Lord Sid is right, if you want her bad enough you have to fight for her. "A faint heart never won a fair maid" goes the saying. I'm sure your heart is not faint, but just don't give up hope and fight, fight, fight!


and yes, Raymond, no need to be so cruel hearted. Shame on you!

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Raymond:"what a joke.. lol..
sorry MoSh187 i have to laugh at your naive and shallow outlook on love.."


Hello Raymond,

This is a little too quick to judge!

I would add - 'IMHO' to every one of your comments.


All the best,

Limor

[Star1111]

Thank you Lord Sid! I have been blessed and am grateful for having my soul mate for the time we had.

[raymond]

Lord Sid, what a beautiful offer of help! Mosh187 - Lord Sid is right, if you want her bad enough you have to fight for her. "A faint heart never won a fair maid" goes the saying. I'm sure your heart is not faint, but just don't give up hope and fight, fight, fight!


and yes, Raymond, no need to be so cruel hearted. Shame on you!


why would you say I am laughing at him with cruelness in my heart?

more like laughing at the same trials which every human goes through until they wake up

there is no need to fight for love for it will always be an impermanent thing

if mosh 187 does get together with the pakistani girl, so what?

do you think the both of them will not be separated through death or divorce 100 years later?

wakey wakey

[Star1111]

Not very positive raymond.

[Limor Wolf]

Lord Sid, what a beautiful offer of help! Mosh187 - Lord Sid is right, if you want her bad enough you have to fight for her. "A faint heart never won a fair maid" goes the saying. I'm sure your heart is not faint, but just don't give up hope and fight, fight, fight!


and yes, Raymond, no need to be so cruel hearted. Shame on you!


why would you say I am laughing at him with cruelness in my heart?

more like laughing at the same trials which every human goes through until they wake up

there is no need to fight for love for it will always be an impermanent thing

if mosh 187 does get together with the pakistani girl, so what?

do you think the both of them will not be separated through death or divorce 100 years later?

wakey wakey


I am happy that I gave up on cynicism in my life,apparentley it is not very attractive

Thanks for being a mirror to me ,Raymond :)

[Marsila]

Raymond, I am real sorry for whatever hurt happened in your life, that this is how you decided to get your message across, :S

And mosh187, i would have said something like 'ur both kind of comfortable where you are etc' to challenge you and push you to change but i won't because she really seems helpless.

Pakistan is such patriarchal country, and unless you give her a real good solution as to what to do, then where do you see both of yourselves heading? There are many stories of extreme physical violence towards women there if they upset there family, so unless she has a safe and real route to get out and not come back there is trouble. or she may be from the families that would rather have their daughter never get married than married to someone they don't like.

am not sure how this is healthy for either of you to be honest, but maybe if you asked your higher self for someone on your own continent they were trying to show you something? But anyway don't blame yourself for her depression, it is the society she is in, family, and surroundings most of all, and maybe she found some solace in you because you are a link to a 'breath of fresh air' of how life can be different.

in another thread that if i'm not wrong it was LS who stated something on the lines of maybe it is her that drew you to her not you that drew her to you, as she need you. but anyway there is something really unhealthy about this to the both of you, unless you have a solid plan on how she can go out and be at least in a third country where she can meet you, and you both see if you can actually live together in un-virtual life then do something to end this in way that gives both of you closure so no emotional baggage is carried around with either of you. anyway good luck with this all.

[Morgaine]

For what it's worth I believe in soul mates. I know that I have met more than one in this life, both male and female. I believe they take on different forms, not always meant to be your love partner maybe. There have been a few people in my life that I've known who instantly took residence in my heart and soul. Like they'd always belonged there, as if I'd recognised them as another part of myself almost.
I will say that not all soul mates are our partners, and not all our partners are soul mates. I just feel lucky that I've had the chance to share some of my time with these people. mosh187 I hope that you find your soul mate, but know that there is love out there in many forms too.
Best of luck and love to you...

Morgaine