What Would YOU Do?

[Fred Steeves]

The long awaited shift has occured, the balance of power on Earth has shifted as well. Humanity, having awakened, is no longer suffering under it's endless oppression, and is now free to live life as they please.

TPTW have been identified, each and every major player. Every soul on the planet is now fully informed as to their true history, and what has been done over the many millennia to them and their ancestors.

A jury panel of 12 highly respected people from around the world has been set up to decide what the consequences should be for these oppressors, and you have been chosen to be a member of this panel due to your understanding of these matters, and your spiritual awareness.

The arguements have been made. The accused bow their heads before you, and you can hear a pin drop as the whole world stops and waits to hear the recommendation.

This is your chance to set things right. What would your recommendation be?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Cheers,
Fred

[Leprechaun]

Having thought very hard about my answer.

I would Forgive

[greybeard]

Not wishing to be awkward Fred but assuming the shift is a reality now then the question of judgment does not arise.

Best wishes
Chris

[NancyV]

Of course I would forgive them... AFTER moving them on into their next lifetime with a merciful shot through the brain. Saves so many hassles, bullets don't cost much, taxpayers don't have to pay for imprisonment, perpetrator gets to start new life in new dimension or time-line. Lots of benefits for everyone with a quick and merciful execution.

[truthseekerdan]

"The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find your heart, and you will find your way." -- Mayan

[norman]

If I was asked, it wouldn't be because I was enlightend.

I'd single each one out and 'do unto' each as each has 'done unto others'.

I'd put them all in the top 50 floors of a sky scraper and set fire to it just before demolishing it with a space based energy weapon.

[Belle]

After thoroughly enjoying thinking about NancyV's and norman's recommendations, I would give them what they weren't able to give us...love. All we want is to be free. I say 'kill them with kindness'. Their former behavior would no longer be acceptable...should they decide to revert back to it, the consequence would be to send them into nature and let nature take care of the matter.

[Omni]

I'd forgive them, but put them under secret surveillance(I mean paying attention to their mind), and monitor them. If they keep doing bad things, i would imprison them. If they wish to be part of the solution, I'd not punish them. The punishment would be people knowing what they did, and having that dishonor and shame.

I might include some irony. Like the ones who ok my torture. Well they can be test subjects for that technology if it still need final research :p Nothing too bad. Nothing as bad as what they do to me. Just enough for them to experience what they put people through.

[gigha]

I would make them all be in service to others. Maybe taking care of the old, the wounded, the sick and the dying.
Supervised of course. Then back to there little cell at night.

[9eagle9]

Rehab, showing corrective behaviors , showing that the way they have done things thus far is as damaging to themselves as everything else. Heart centered work with them. Then, when they (if they) choose to become humane people again and demonstrate willingness, at that point forgiveness probably becomes unnecessary. The act of mentoring someone is a form of forgiveness towards the ones who have inflicted the damage and separation, and ones' willingness to create a better way is acceptance of forgiveness. It's much easier to forgive someone if they are not creating the same behaviors over and over again. Or as I say, Take the knife out of my back NOW and I WILL have the conditions to forgive you...lol. For people who scream that I'm not forgiving even as they are still trying to twist the noose around my neck, I'd suggest that I can forgive someone from a safe distance and basically its my only option until they change their behaviors.

If they choose not to then ....that's their choice and folks will make their own choice in whatever way not to have that sort of tyranny imposed on them again.

But....I'm capable of dishing out punishment, I'm not very good at dishing out punishment, I'm only very good at making conditions so that others behaviors are not affecting or punishing me. If people want to beat their head against my fortress I suppose that's punishment enough of their own choosing.

[ScubaMonkey]

Assuming they've had their money & power taken away, I'd do nothing.
"Go on, out the door, you're of no importance to us. Enjoy living life on equal footing with everyone else. That's right, you're free, the door's over there... :wave: Ba-bye!
Right, Now they're dealt with lets concentrate on what matters. ...lunch anyone?"

[fox.mulder]

We should let them be free, just as we want to be free, the thing that makes tyrants act like they do is the same thing that makes us annoyed when someone cuts in front of us in traffic.....its just at another level.....time will eventually heal......some are slower than others...

[Feren]

I would tell them: raise your head, for I do not accuse you. You (rapists, killers, thiefs, liars) are my brothers and my sisters.

[Lord Sidious]

I would ask to excused from the jury.
I am not the one you want sitting in judgement of criminals.

[9eagle9]

M' Lord.....

But if I wanted criminals judged to be disemboweled until their gutless innards are unraveling from their yellow bellies to plop, steaming, onto hot broiling pavement as they scream futilely for mercy....?

You'd be up for jury duty then wouldn't you (grin)......?

[Ammit]

Find a sinking island, place them there with a chemical weapon that is advanced enough to just destroy the island and all the filth that was placed there.

[ulli]

I'd find them jobs in agriculture. Maybe gardening.

[Lord Sidious]

M' Lord.....

But if I wanted criminals judged to be disemboweled until their gutless innards are unraveling from their yellow bellies to plop, steaming, onto hot broiling pavement as they scream futilely for mercy....?

You'd be up for jury duty then wouldn't you (grin)......?

Maybe, but only if I get to sharpen the blades as well.

[markoid]

I'd find them meaningful employment for psychopaths... maybe removing dog**** from public parks... without a plastic bag... or gloves.

[Carmody]

According to Micheal Newton, they will be involved in the erasure of their persona (partial or total) that they had on this planet when they return to the source. Erased or turned into inter-dimensional energy 'dust'. Their higher self will be involved in this decision and process. See this from the 2:45 point, or so, or watch the whole thing. Great film. One of the best ever made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxyTFAtpM4&feature=related

Sometimes the horror of what they have become overwhelms them as they die and become more universally aware..but NOT with the memories and capacities of the whole higher self, as they have not yet returned. That negative energy can stick around and invade the living. sometimes it needs to be exorcised.

This fate is what became of McVeigh. However, I intervened and matched his vibration so he could make it back. Instead of leaving 'him'.... in the darkness.

This is why the PTB and associated stories about that seem to be about cloning and soul insertion/capture, etc. They are scared to go back as their lives are lies and they are headed for complete and probable self erasure of what they are. The technological aspects are the only way out for the body-persona that they have created as a giant piece of personal insanity. What they are here is an insane soul shard of their higher self.

They can be found and they can be sent back to the light......to face themselves. Simply killing them won't do it right. That solves nothing.

The point is that they were not supposed to know that they are going to judge themselves or wander off screaming in utter horror.... of what they have become as their human limits come off.... as they die. Same for you, regarding expanded awareness as your human limits come off. Your mind will open and you will see yourself and this situation far more completely than you can even imagine.

However, the word is that the system has become corrupted. Corrections apparently need to be made. They require your temporary involvement in ways not originally planned. But.... such is life. There are no unreachable rules here (in this aspect, in some ways), there are only situations and outcomes.

[Nasu]

I like ulli's idea, make them garden for us. We would require some serious gardening though, backbreaking stuff. Loads of practical foodstuffs and plenty of tree work and flowers, with thorns. It may even give them some time to think. Or a faster death by hungry dogs in a pit, watched over by heckling drunks, their choice...N

[PurpleLama]

According to Micheal Newton, they will be involved in the erasure of their persona (partial or total) that they had on this planet when they return to the source. Erased or turned into inter-dimensional energy 'dust'. Their higher self will be involved in this decision and process. See this from the 2:45 point, or so, or watch the whole thing. Great film. One of the best ever made.

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Sometimes the horror of what they have become overwhelms them as they die and become more universally aware..but NOT with the memories and capacities of the whole higher self, as they have not yet returned. That negative energy can stick around and invade the living. sometimes it needs to be exorcised.

This fate is what became of McVeigh. However, I intervened and matched his vibration so he could make it back. Instead of leaving 'him'.... in the darkness.

This is why the PTB and associated stories about that seem to be about cloning and soul insertion/capture, etc. They are scared to go back as their lives are lies and they are headed for complete and probable self erasure of what they are. The technological aspects are the only way out for the body-persona that they have created as a giant piece of personal insanity. What they are here is an insane soul shard of their higher self.

They can be found and they can be sent back to the light......to face themselves. Simply killing them won't do it right. That solves nothing.

The point is that they were not supposed to know that they are going to judge themselves or wander off screaming in utter horror.... of what they have become as their human limits come off.... as they die. Same for you, regarding expanded awareness as your human limits come off. Your mind will open and you will see yourself and this situation far more completely than you can even imagine.

However, the word is that the system has become corrupted. Corrections apparently need to be made. They require your temporary involvement in ways not originally planned. But.... such is life. There are no rules here, there are only situations and outcomes.

this brings to mind something that's come to my mind. To wit, would the lure of physical immortality not be specifically for the entity of STS orientation? And, indeed the above information seems to flesh this thought out nicely. Therefore would not some 500 or 5000 year old master not perhaps be the very definition of this? *coughgermainecough* it's been my understanding, if I may use this misnomer, that given the extreme vividness of the current cycle on the earth in this density it is really, shall I say, uncomfortable for the higher self to review/transition the energy/consciousness of a given lifetime that too far exceeds the scope of what we think of as a normal human life span. Would you say there is anything to this line of thinking?

oh, in reference to the OP:

Ho'oponopono

with that it may be a forgone conclusion.

[Lord Sidious]

I like your sigline PurpleLama.
It resonates with me.

[Maia Gabrial]

As an enlightened being, I'd already know what the whole game plan was about and each beings part in it. Not everyone was meant to play the good guys. Some beings volunteered to do the dirty work. I'm not saying that I approve of what I've seen and heard. But from a higher perspective, they had their roles to play in this spiritual game....
As an enlightened being, I would have to forgive them, even though it wouldn't have been a matter of forgiveness. We ALL agreed to do our part in this game.
Also, I'm assuming that EVERYONE will have become enlightened, too? Even the bad guys? So, then there would be no need for court hearings....because everyone will understand who, what and why everything played out as it did.... :grouphug:
On a higher dimension, we'll all sit around laughing together at the things we did....
Peace all,
Maia

[9eagle9]

Sure. I'll lend you my meatfork too...




M' Lord.....

But if I wanted criminals judged to be disemboweled until their gutless innards are unraveling from their yellow bellies to plop, steaming, onto hot broiling pavement as they scream futilely for mercy....?

You'd be up for jury duty then wouldn't you (grin)......?

Maybe, but only if I get to sharpen the blades as well.

[Maia Gabrial]

Some of your comments are pretty sadistic...!
But be cautious. What you wish on others may become your own penance....
Maia

[Carmody]

Yes, there is danger and power in thought, and far more.... in it's communicative expression upon the impressionable.

[9eagle9]

I don't believe everything I'm thinking.

I suggest you don't either. :boink:




Some of your comments are pretty sadistic...!
But be cautious. What you wish on others may become your own penance....
Maia

[Alecs]

Carmody, I just want to give you a hug. :hug:

[Carmody]

I don't believe everything I'm thinking.

I suggest you don't either. :boink:




Some of your comments are pretty sadistic...!
But be cautious. What you wish on others may become your own penance....
Maia

I agree. My thoughts are not pure. Not while I'm of the flesh, that's for dang sure.

[dukes4monny]

Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating ourself up for quite some time to come.........

[Lord Sidious]

Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating ourself up for quite some time to come.........

That is why I want to be excused jury duty.

[9eagle9]

A 10 thousand year old habit is hard to break. :p


Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating ourself up for quite some time to come.........

[Maia Gabrial]

My avatar may be an angel, but I'm far from angelic. However, I'm trying to keep the reptilian part of my brain in check and not go wanting blood, even if it's not innocent blood.
Maia

[9eagle9]

I think someone wants to hold the gavel.

[Lord Sidious]

A 10 thousand year old habit is hard to break. :p


Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating ourself up for quite some time to come.........

That is what I told my mother when she caught me with the magazines and.........................
Hang on!
WERE YOU LOOKING? :eek:

[9eagle9]

I DID.

See, I tried not to look....

So I visualized you in a leather loin cloth instead....:p



.

A 10 thousand year old habit is hard to break. :p


Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating urself up for quite some time to come.........

That is what I told my mother when she caught me with the magazines and.........................
Hang on!
WERE YOU LOOKING? :eek:

[Dorok]

Exile from society, offered only a pittance enough for subsistence wherever they roam until a community wishes to accept them. Shouldn't take long.

[GCS1103]

I don't believe that a being, who is truly evil in their deepest heart and has no conscience, is capable of being rehabilitated. Identifying evil will not remove evil. Plain and simple, I would vote to have them eliminated from society so that they could not begin the whole cycle again. The "one bad apple spoils the bunch" saying is true, IMO.

[58andfixed]

Not going to happen.

Might as well wait for Santa or Superman. They aren't arriving.

The idea only helps to sell comic books.

Better thinking required.

Bigger dose of reality.

More examination of history & how humans behave.

I'm sorry that I have to be the messenger for this news. :(

- 58

[mondaze]

Exile from society, offered only a pittance enough for subsistence wherever they roam until a community wishes to accept them. Shouldn't take long.

sounds like middlesboro... sorry my "smoggy" friends!

[dukes4monny]

I don't believe that a being, who is truly evil in their deepest heart and has no conscience, is capable of being rehabilitated. Identifying evil will not remove evil. Plain and simple, I would vote to have them eliminated from society so that they could not begin the whole cycle again. The "one bad apple spoils the bunch" saying is true, IMO.

But, by allowing evil to manifest, are we not also complicit? Love and evil are extremes of the same emotion, therefore, should we try to find the mean of the two extremes?

[Carmody]

If you live in the past - by fearing the future....... you lose the moment of now and do not find the balance.


Which is pretty much what you said. There are as many ways to say it as there are people on the planet.

[Tony]

Dear Fred,
We can do nothing.
They like us, will have to repay every drop of karma...................then they will be enlightened.

Tony

[ceetee9]

The long awaited shift has occured, the balance of power on Earth has shifted as well. Humanity, having awakened, is no longer suffering under it's endless oppression, and is now free to live life as they please.

TPTW have been identified, each and every major player. Every soul on the planet is now fully informed as to their true history, and what has been done over the many millennia to them and their ancestors.

A jury panel of 12 highly respected people from around the world has been set up to decide what the consequences should be for these oppressors, and you have been chosen to be a member of this panel due to your understanding of these matters, and your spiritual awareness.

The arguements have been made. The accused bow their heads before you, and you can hear a pin drop as the whole world stops and waits to hear the recommendation.

This is your chance to set things right. What would your recommendation be?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Cheers,
Fred
Hmmm... That's a tough one Fred. I guess I'd forgive them and, to show them that there were no hard feelings, I'd take up a collection to purchase them all an 80 day around the world cruise that stopped at all their favorite ports. About the time the ship (or ships--depending on how many of these "dark ones" there were) got midway across the Pacific, I'd send out some predator drones and sink those puppies. Then I'd have the media headlines report: "TPTW cruise ship(s) sink after encountering a freak storm in the Pacific--no survivors found." Oops! I forgot all their self-serving media shills would have been on those ships (as well as myself for having thought such terrible things). I guess the headlines would have to report the truth then: "TPTW cruise ships successfully sunk by their own WMDs." :)

Damn, I guess that's not a very spiritually awakened/enlightened thing to do. On second thought, I'll go with NancyV's suggestion--besides bullets would be much cheaper. ;)

[Maia Gabrial]

You see, the reptilian part of my brain wants to see their dead carcasses hanging in front of the Capitol Bldg in DC. But the spirit inhabiting my body knows that EVERYONE is a divine being and wants to forgive.
Can you see my dilemma?
Maia

[Limor Wolf]

Of course I would forgive them... AFTER moving them on into their next lifetime with a merciful shot through the brain. Saves so many hassles, bullets don't cost much, taxpayers don't have to pay for imprisonment, perpetrator gets to start new life in new dimension or time-line. Lots of benefits for everyone with a quick and merciful execution.

There goes the karma of the executor (oh,and for the one who initiated this idea,take note Nancy ;) )

I would like to offer them a one way ticket to any destination of their choice to the Orion belt ,mounted on a rocket while we all wave them goodbye as the sun sets.

However,being a part of a much higher jury,I would let them fall back to the begining - two million years as rocks,life as a Mosquito,laboratory animal.etc

There is no wise soul as the experienced soul

[Fred Steeves]

can I offer them a one way ticket to any destination of their choice to the Orion belt ,mounted on a rocket while we all wave them goodbye as the sun sets.

However,being a part of a much higher jury,I would let them fall back to the begining - two million years as rocks,life as a Mosquito,laboratory animal.etc

There is no wise soul as the experienced soul

I suspect that's been my gig. It's a long journey back to have a chance at hearing "welcome home".


Cheers,
Fred

[stdante]

There is a lot of labour needed to spring-clean the Planet.

[folotheflo]

i've seen enough to know they will get exactly what they deserve without "my" intervention, so i would let be what be, maybe even invite them back to mine for a smoke and a chat, but they would be free to live and to learn. That song comes to mind "Everybody's gotta learn sometime"

[Chuck]

A fine question Fred S.

Firstly, I would thank them for playing the negative part of this polarity. The polarity in this play has set up the conditions for my choices (encumbered or not). The negative were the catalyst for my desire to change. They created the adversity from which my mind called out for help to a greater consciousness to pull me out of the cesspool... only to find a still small voice within admonishing me to do it myself. In doing so, I learned to understand and know the power within me.

With that newly attained power… I would lop their heads off!

Knowing full well that I would start the whole cycle over again…

[jackovesk]

I'd have them all lined up in single file and lead them one by one into the UFC Octagon..!

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e35/alexrosenberg/IMG_2111.jpg

I would then invite all those who have lost loved ones to War & Famine all around the world to show them the same Mercy they showed their loved ones and the innocent fallen...

It would be televised around the world in Prime-Time with Sold-Out Shows 7 nights a week for as long as it takes!

They would all be stripped of their Criminal Wealth and Together with the Television Rights we could end 'World Poverty' in approximately 6 months or even less!

The Announcer would be that fella who Trademarked the Phrase 'Let's Get Ready To Rumble' and with microphone in hand Shouting Out "In the Criminals corner we have Dick 'False-Flag' Cheney who allowed 911, Gave the Nod to Guantamemo & Tortue, Is Responsible for Millions of Deaths, Profited from War & To this day has never Stopped Lying!

Just a thought...:boxing:

[Limor Wolf]

can I offer them a one way ticket to any destination of their choice to the Orion belt ,mounted on a rocket while we all wave them goodbye as the sun sets.

However,being a part of a much higher jury,I would let them fall back to the begining - two million years as rocks,life as a Mosquito,laboratory animal.etc

There is no wise soul as the experienced soul

I suspect that's been my gig. It's a long journey back to have a chance at hearing "welcome home".


Cheers,
Fred

I would say its been the 'many of us' gig : "I can still remember my life as a sequoia tree..."

Any reason for imitating my join date Fred S? ;)

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I say put them all together, Give them only:
Highly Chlorinated Water to drink,
Genetically modified foodstuffs (Monsanto of course) to eat.
Bombard them with Elf, Microwave and every other kind of waves (that i cant think of:)) constantly.
Make them watch American Idol/appropriate mind numbing drivel continuously.
And last but not least, make them do demeaning work to pay for all the above
Oh and Tax them because......well just because.

Jobs a gud un.

Hurritt

[Lord Sidious]

I say put them all together, Give them only:
Highly Chlorinated Water to drink,
Genetically modified foodstuffs (Monsanto of course) to eat.
Bombard them with Elf, Microwave and every other kind of waves (that i cant think of:)) constantly.
Make them watch American Idol/appropriate mind numbing drivel continuously.
And last but not least, make them do demeaning work to pay for all the above
Oh and Tax them because......well just because.

Jobs a gud un.

Hurritt

The reason I don't want to sit on the jury is that I don't want to become that which I fight against.

[Wub]

Think I'd give them the red pill....

[folotheflo]

ah.... the famous "those that wish to fight monsters..... be careful not to become one oneself".

[Lord Sidious]

ah.... the famous "those that wish to fight monsters..... be careful not to become one oneself".

Evil MUST be opposed, it is more the how part that people debate.
Whilst in the trenches opposing it, it is easy to become it, almost without noticing it.
That defeats the point of the whole exercise.
Hence me not wanting to be on the jury, I would prefer more enlightened people go.

[Caren]

As you said Maia Gabrial "EVERYONE is a divine being" we need to forgive them.

[folotheflo]

ah.... the famous "those that wish to fight monsters..... be careful not to become one oneself".

Evil MUST be opposed, it is more the how part that people debate.
Whilst in the trenches opposing it, it is easy to become it, almost without noticing it.
That defeats the point of the whole exercise.
Hence me not wanting to be on the jury, I would prefer more enlightened people go.

i agree, the "evil" must be balanced. maybe people should "do" rather than debate "how". but the question poses that you are on the jury, what are you saying " more enlightened people"

[Lord Sidious]

ah.... the famous "those that wish to fight monsters..... be careful not to become one oneself".

Evil MUST be opposed, it is more the how part that people debate.
Whilst in the trenches opposing it, it is easy to become it, almost without noticing it.
That defeats the point of the whole exercise.
Hence me not wanting to be on the jury, I would prefer more enlightened people go.

i agree, the "evil" must be balanced. maybe people should "do" rather than debate "how". but the question poses that you are on the jury, what are you saying " more enlightened people"

I would not like to sit and be able to give a verdict and then decide on punishment too.
It would be better to have 12 people who are more balanced in their outlook, not requiring ''punishment'' as such, but a solution.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I would ask to excused from the jury.
I am not the one you want sitting in judgement of criminals.

you are very influential...

yesterday two kids were walking through the store arguing which was the biggest butt nugget... ;)

[Cigan Mojia]

Were the current "reality" to drop veil and reveal "The Powers that be/were/have been" in their most intention driven state, and the rest of the universal population stood in recognition of what has been going on here, within the confines of Earth... it is my belief that many, taken so suddenly out of their dreamer's reverie to a true reality, would be stunned. I can include myself, for even with the years of work, homework, shadow work et cetra, that I have done thus far, I know my current perception of real is far from realizing the real lies by which I am surrounded. Still....

After the shock and awe of this unveiling what could we do to allow the polarity's balance to remain intact, (and thus continue to be) while protecting the planetary purpose of growth into what one may become, given unfettered opportunity.... how many would continue to distract themselves, negligent to their duty? Ignorant of their purpose for it is so much easier to pretend and exist as the victim of some unseen force, than recognize the choice each one made to go back to sleep.

I would ask for further clarification on the particulars of this shift before giving my hypothetical reply... but it's a wonderful topic to consider.

Good Form.

[folotheflo]

i agree, the "evil" must be balanced. maybe people should "do" rather than debate "how". but the question poses that you are on the jury, what are you saying " more enlightened people"

I would not like to sit and be able to give a verdict and then decide on punishment too.
It would be better to have 12 people who are more balanced in their outlook, not requiring ''punishment'' as such, but a solution.

the question does not propose a "punishment", but a "recommendation". release your anger, and you are qualified. believe yourself brother!

[Lord Sidious]

the question does not propose a "punishment", but a "recommendation". release your anger, and you are qualified. believe yourself brother!

The last time I released my anger, I had force lightning shoot out and hit that little green communist right in the clacker.

[Arrowwind]

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Cheers,
Fred

Certainly, I would make them live in a hippy/spiritual commune for the rest of their days, not being permitted to talk or associate with old friends or family, while they are at it.I think I would pick out Bhagwan's community if it were still around. That should be sufficient for punnishement and possible redemption?;)

[Fred Steeves]

Any reason for imitating my join date Fred S? ;)

Good question Limor, never noticed that! Sure it wasn't the other way around?

Cheers,
Fred

[folotheflo]

i agree, the "evil" must be balanced. maybe people should "do" rather than debate "how". but the question poses that you are on the jury, what are you saying " more enlightened people"

I would not like to sit and be able to give a verdict and then decide on punishment too.
It would be better to have 12 people who are more balanced in their outlook, not requiring ''punishment'' as such, but a solution.



The last time I released my anger, I had force lightning shoot out and hit that little green communist right in the clacker.

fairplay, i won't ask again !

[Fred Steeves]

ah.... the famous "those that wish to fight monsters..... be careful not to become one oneself".

Wish I could give you a double thanks on that one!

Cheers,
Fred

[Fred Steeves]

I would not like to sit and be able to give a verdict and then decide on punishment too.
It would be better to have 12 people who are more balanced in their outlook, not requiring ''punishment'' as such, but a solution.

Who mentioned punishment Rob? It was all about a recommendation as to what to do with the rascals.

Also, it was assumed that those on the jury were balanced in all necessary areas to begin with.

Cheers,
Fred

[Rocky_Shorz]

I'd find a fluffy Squirrel to toss on my head and strut in like Donald Trump just to say...

ya fired...

[Fred Steeves]

I would ask for further clarification on the particulars of this shift before giving my hypothetical reply... but it's a wonderful topic to consider.

Good Form.

Ask away, the rabbit hole is infinite and endless in it's complexity. :p

Cheers,
Fred

[Lord Sidious]

I would not like to sit and be able to give a verdict and then decide on punishment too.
It would be better to have 12 people who are more balanced in their outlook, not requiring ''punishment'' as such, but a solution.

Who mentioned punishment Rob? It was all about a recommendation as to what to do with the rascals.

Also, it was assumed that those on the jury were balanced in all necessary areas to begin with.

Cheers,
Fred

This is the whole point, no one mentioned punishment.
A man's gotta know his limitations.
Aha! Good point.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0


I'd find a fluffy Squirrel to toss on my head and strut in like Donald Trump just to say...

ya fired...

I would grab that squirrel and shove it up your ar................oops.
I mean, has anyone told you that you're a nugget?
Yeah.
That is what I meant. :p













































Said with love and light of course. :cool:

[folotheflo]

you are a cheeky bugger. i am still laughing at your last post

[Lord Sidious]

you are a cheeky bugger. i am still laughing at your last post

My ancestors were Irish fenian bastards, what do you expect? :p


Rather than be on the jury, this is my contribution.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClWuwiu2EwI

[161803398]

Its simple. Just take all their money away from them and put them on probation with lifetime community service requirement.

[folotheflo]

i pondered that there was abit of tinker in you !

[Lord Sidious]

i pondered that there was abit of tinker in you !

You mean me?
Nope.

[folotheflo]

yes, thats right, cheeky bugger

[nearing]

I DID.

See, I tried not to look....

So I visualized you in a leather loin cloth instead....:p



.

A 10 thousand year old habit is hard to break. :p


Well, if we are truly all one.............looking at some of these replies we are going to be beating urself up for quite some time to come.........

That is what I told my mother when she caught me with the magazines and.........................
Hang on!
WERE YOU LOOKING? :eek:

Oh my. I may have to peek too!

[Lord Sidious]

yes, thats right, cheeky bugger

No tinker in me.

[folotheflo]

have you seen "gangs of new york"

[Lord Sidious]

have you seen "gangs of new york"

Depends on who is asking. :p
Yeah, I have.

[Caren]

"Gangs Of New York" .. excellent!!! Good night all.

[Carmody]

Back to my comment on utterances that we don't really mean. the problem being that they we uttered. The situtation being the 'law of unintended consequences', which is akin to 'the butterfly effect'.

Thus responsibility should be in all we do... what we say... and how we say it.

Ie, the forgiving of the self to remove the stress. Charity begins at home. :)

Then the issue dissipates. We hope! At least the process begins.

[NancyV]

Of course I would forgive them... AFTER moving them on into their next lifetime with a merciful shot through the brain. Saves so many hassles, bullets don't cost much, taxpayers don't have to pay for imprisonment, perpetrator gets to start new life in new dimension or time-line. Lots of benefits for everyone with a quick and merciful execution.

There goes the karma of the executor (oh,and for the one who initiated this idea,take note Nancy ;) )

I would like to offer them a one way ticket to any destination of their choice to the Orion belt ,mounted on a rocket while we all wave them goodbye as the sun sets.

However,being a part of a much higher jury,I would let them fall back to the begining - two million years as rocks,life as a Mosquito,laboratory animal.etc

There is no wise soul as the experienced soul
Limor, THAT is cruel and unusual punishment! LOL... my solution is merciful, practical, fast, inexpensive... just plain all around WISE. Forgiveness AND an execution. Then they will get whatever karma they have earned without our interference, just a little boost to start it sooner. Couldn't get much better.

Nancy :)



WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Cheers,
Fred

Certainly, I would make them live in a hippy/spiritual commune for the rest of their days, not being permitted to talk or associate with old friends or family, while they are at it.I think I would pick out Bhagwan's community if it were still around. That should be sufficient for punnishement and possible redemption?;)
Living in a commune would DEFINITELY be cruel and unusual punishment! LOL..

[toothpick]

I think it was Ghandi who once said.
If everyone goes by the rule of an eye for an eye,
very soon the whole world would be blind.

toothpick

[Cigan Mojia]

☺ “Hypothetically-

“No.” our first response, ensuing enthusiastic conversation utterly off topic and resulting losing one of the questioned amassed for this wonderful spur of the moment conversation…. to the kitties and a laser light game. ..

“Hypothetically”… I begin again… “And please let me know if you need further back story as I will try to be brief. “ (Not likely to happen as I Gemini do like to wax on methodically or mercurially of course)

And I asked Fred’s question to the people assembled. We had already lost one, and the idea of having everything come out in the open was utterly lost on another. Having opted for the loony bin response to a shift having occurred. (I assumed a large portion of people would simply have a psychotic schism or spontaneously combust. (Hilarity ensued with the follow up of would you really go crazy if you had no mind to lose after the shift.)

One answer was simply that if we all knew what was going on there would be no need for a panel of twelve, and let them all figure it out on their own. Minions of TPTW… wasn’t fully developed as an idea other than the elimination of the other 11 on the panel deciding the fate of such beings.

So to look for further clarification in the What would you do? I would ask:

1. Is everyone going to poof just be able to handle the dropping of the veil of EVERY thing?

2. Will you have ash piles on Wall Street and The Cat lady from The Simpsons having completely snapped? If so who cleans up the mess? (Our first respondent did chime in at this with “Let them clean up their own mess”)

3. Are we dealing with Just the major minions or will everyone recognize their own part in the play, (be it through complacency or service to self that we create a situation where the powers that were, found it easy to manipulate us, we will all recognize, no matter how minute, the parts we have played….)

Or if the sole purpose of the “What would you do exercise is pointing a finger at the “Controllers of your destiny when you hit the snooze button on free will”

I think I would survive the schism, if the conscious mind remains intact… I would have to join the street sweeper teams and clean up the mess of spontaneously combusted paper doll people floating around without the faintest idea that Everything does not revolve around MAN.

But that’s just our view over coffee.

[Maia Gabrial]

I've had another idea. You know that whole fleet of space craft we "supposedly" have stationed in space? Load them all up with Illuminati, freemasons, TPTB, the 33 bloodlines, etc.; and give them a one way ride to an uninhabited planet to start their NWO there! Let them enslave each other! Let them struggle to survive the way they've made humanity do over eons....
See? My reptilian brain can come up with something fair....
Maia

[red_rose]

I'd kiss them on their noses and tell them they played there roles extremely well, and they can now relinquish their characters and live like angels again.

[Fred259]

7938

Drop them down this now vacated mineshaft.

[PHARAOH]

I would ask to excused from the jury.
I am not the one you want sitting in judgement of criminals.

Talk about, "Know Thyself"

[Armen]

Well, everything is everything. Pull one thread, and you have to unravel the whole thing. I would imagine by this point the leak would be plugged. The accruing and compounding of further astronomical trauma and abuse. But then, even with all of these individuals removed and contained, there would be the wake of our destructive existence to deal with. There would be the reality of conflict, hatred, division, fear, mistrust, ect, all across society. I would imagine it would be a tangled mess. There would probably be people who had really good hearts, who had just been so severely indoctrinated, traumatized, brutalized, or messed with, that they had become versions of these destructive parasitic individuals to some degree. So condemning or judging people wouldn't work, because then everyone of us would have to be judged in some way. In this sense, I really do see the anatomical reality of not throwing stones.

I would have to set up a gigantic team that was comprised of interviewers, investigators, counselors, healers of many different modalities, mentors, and so on. This would be very doable, as I believe there are millions and millions of people of people who would love to do this kind of work. I would launch a massive initiative to create healing centers where people could be nourished, have their traumas addressed, and rehabilitate. This would include everyone all the way to the top. Some people may not choose that, as they might feel perfectly content with their choices. But that wouldn't look like malice. That would look like serenity and peace. I'm not sure what I would do with those people. I think I would have to sit in counsel with others for a while before determining what to do.

People would be embraced with nurture. Their physical needs would be taken care of. Then their emotional, psychological, and expressive/spiritual needs. There would be a lot of gatherings where people who have never sat together, tell their stories, learn to hear each other out, and develop an understanding. There would be a lot of screaming, and whaling, and rage, and pain, and we would listen, bound by the agreement not to break out into physical violence. It would be tense, but we would get through it.

Those who have committed atrocities would be given the choice between going through an empathy building program, or somehow being removed. Again, with removal options, I would have to sit in counsel for a long time with others. In the empathy building program, they would have to go through a combination of experiences. On one hand, they would have to face the people, or a representation of the people they committed atrocities against. They would have to enter into a community supported process of getting to know those people. Hearing about what those people experienced at their hands. They would be bound to become the stewarts of others, and be monitored to track their progress. On the other hand, they, themselves would receive a chance to process their own traumas. They would receive the spiritual/psychological, expressive, and physical support to be cared for, loved, touched. I imagine that for them the level of abuse they experienced must have been extremely high.

I see how we treat child molesters. Burn them. Kill them. Lock them away. Well, all of them were children once, and most of them were molested by someone. We feel for the child, but not the adult, not making the connection that now this child will be very likely to grow into the adult we have condemned. Our sense of righting wrongs is equivalent to curing a disease by giving someone else the disease.

People would have to start getting to know themselves creatively. All the things that we have labeled as corny, hippie dippie, wishy washy, all those things would come to the foreground. Art, dance, music, writing, theater, energy healing, mentoring, spirituality, touch. This might be a little too controversial, but I believe that sexual healing would become extremely important. I would re-institute the important functions of the sacred whores (men and women). People whose calling it is to help people heal, transform, and grow through sexual work.

There's just no getting around touch. Touch changes the body, it changes the brain, it changes our consciousness. The intellect can process things up to a certain point, but touch has a way of bypassing everything, and flooding a person with nurture. That's what we all need now more than anything. The war is over.

I have read that in ancient times men who returned from war had to, before they did anything else, go to the sacred whores for sexual healing. That was the only thing that could wash the blood off their hands. I do agree with that perspective. Sensuality and nurture is how you wash away war. By this time it would be clear that we have all been at war, and all in need of healing and support. Rather than creating another fracture, I would choose to look at us all as a continuum of a way of being. This would include all of these individuals.

Pain is love in crystalized form. I know this from experience. To love someone who has never caused you pain isn't hard. It's very, very easy. That kind of love is fickle. To come to a place of solidarity and community with someone who has made you feel betrayed and hurt, that's a whole other story. The people that have hurt me the most in my life, are the people who love me the most. It was in working through those relationships, not giving up, staying with it, that a deeper love started to take hold.

Fundamentally most of us want to be loved and accepted. I believe that. Redemption is beautiful. It's mind blowing. For anyone who does not believe in the experience of the divine, I suggest you screw something up royally, I mean really, really bad, and then try to redeem yourself. It's on the road to redemption that the divine really becomes tangible as far as I'm concerned.

That would be our collective judgement, if it was up to me. We would restructure our economies and industries. Everything would revolve around love. All carrer paths and work in the world would be geared towards restoring harmony, by addressing the places where we refuse to synthesize our experiences.

I can see it from the parasites perspective too. If you are a person who doesn't feel as talented, capable, or desirable as most others, what chance do you have to matter? Of course you'll resort to manipulation, and prevent others from expressing their natural superiority. I don't think it's all of it, but I imagine that that's part of the equation.

In other words, it's all about relationship. Those who are strong and capable have to also be concerned with empowering others who do not feel that way, to find their own strength and talent.

I mean, imagine the kind of divisiveness that would exist at this point. Imagine the relationships between Israelis and Palestinians. Affluent and poor. Light skinned and Dark skinned. hetero and queer. Religious and Scientific. On and on. These people at the top are just extensions of something we have all participated in.

Yes, I think if the decision was mine to make, we would all be on trial, and our sentence would be to take responsibility. If we say we are for love, then that is what we would have to create. A loving planet. If we condemn people, we just create another cycle of exiles who will eventually try to overthrow us because they feel oppressed. I'm sure it's more complex than that, but certainly part of it. It's not hard to love someone you like. So are we going to create a world where only people we like exist? We have to learn to love beyond our preferences. What that looks like, only we can decide together. It really becomes about the spaces in between points.

Those who would actively stand in the way of rehabilitation would be confined and prevented from doing so, but they, like everyone else would be a part of a massive journey of transformation. Forgiveness wouldn't be something that people did. It would be an experience that would transpire naturally, as a result of the attempts on all our parts to redeem ourselves. There would be a lot of crying, and a lot of "I'm sorries".

I'm sure the reality of it all is far more complex than my imagination can hold, but I do think that even with all of those individuals placed on rocketships that would blast off into space and detonate in space by some spiritual ordinance that would pulverize their existence for all eternity, even their souls, we still would run the danger of doing it all over again.

Those individuals are just the symptom. The instrument of a psychology. The worse thing you can do to someone, is make them feel what others feel. Once you feel what others feel, it becomes physiologically painful to knowingly harm others. That's empathy. We have to evolve past a quick fix, techno band aid approach. Cultivating empathy is the way to prevent this kind of reality from re-emerging. It can be cultivated. It takes sharing life. It takes telling stories. Sharing pain. Sharing hardship. Working together. Expressing oneself. Playing. Well, the Sacred Feminine.

Ultimately, it all rides on how we behave with each other.

[PHARAOH]

First of I would like to appluad Fred S. on a most interesting and and thought provoking thread. I have really enjoyed reading through this one and will offer my suggestion.

I would have them put into a very high technologically advanced prison system that would allow for constant 24hr observation. To be studied on thier behaviours, mannerisms, and interactions with themselves as well as alone. Until thier deaths. They would be treated with kindness, dignity and respect but would be under constant surveillance as we must learn the w,w,w,w,w and how's of people such as these for future warning signs. As part of thier rehabilitation process they must be willing to allow themselves to be examined, and questioned throughly on anything and everthing so we can document and study for future generations to know and overstand what they are dealing with. This will go along way to preventing this from ever happening again. IMHO :twitch: :wacko: :shocked: :noidea: :painkiller:

[Mulder]

This is a very interesting thread - I feel that "When the student is ready, that is when the teacher will come." I am clearly NOT ready to answer this as yet. I hope one day I will get to a place where all negative feelings can be overcome, but honestly, I'd be very upset at all the suffering they caused for OTHER People (not so much my own suffering, which I have forgiven transgressors many times in the past).

[dukes4monny]

Cultivating empathy is the way to prevent this kind of reality from re-emerging.

I agree with you 100%, but as I understand it, a sociopath (or psychopath) does not have the ability to feel empathy, it is just not there in their psyche. Are you saying that empathy can indeed be cultivated within them?
If yes, that's great, but if not, then what is to happen to them, because, as I understand it, they seem to naturally rise to the top in society because of their lack of empathy for everything around them?

[Armen]

Cultivating empathy is the way to prevent this kind of reality from re-emerging.

I agree with you 100%, but as I understand it, a sociopath (or psychopath) does not have the ability to feel empathy, it is just not there in their psyche. Are you saying that empathy can indeed be cultivated within them?
If yes, that's great, but if not, then what is to happen to them, because, as I understand it, they seem to naturally rise to the top in society because of their lack of empathy for everything around them?

Excellent point. I've thought of this myself. I don't know I have an answer to that. My mind has gone in several directions. For instance, what if they are just a necessary part of human society? Like predators that keep populations in check. Or, maybe they are an undesirable seed, to be weeded out in a free and harmonious society. Or, perhaps there is some kind of medium. A function that a person like that can fulfill within society? There is a saying that goes that the only difference between a sociopath and an enlightened person, is in how they apply themselves. Then again, would we feel comfortable executing people who prove to be sociopaths? And what kind of reactions would that cause?

I saw an interesting interview with a serial killer. I forgot his name, but he wanted to die. He admitted that his one and only goal was to take over, and that he would do anything and everything to succeed, but he was glad to have been caught, and wanting to be put to death. When asked if he was worried about going to hell, he said that if that's where he was going, he would spend the rest of eternity trying to take over hell.

Anyway, designing free societies/organizing community, is a really tough job. There are lots of really hard decisions to make that we, as people who have those decisions made for us don't have any awareness of. How would we judge people differently if we did have to be the ones to decide?

Those were the themes I saw discussed in Dark Knight, the Batman movie. That is the dilemma of the superhero. Do the dirty work that people aren't willing to do, because it would shatter their notions of morality, but then be hated and attacked by the very same people who you are protecting, because they are standing on the moral high ground. It's hypocritical.

Anyway, it's just an excellent question.

I don't have practical experience in working with sociopaths, so I don't know if they can cultivate empathy. In the case of the serial killer that was interviewed, he had a daughter, and he seemed to genuinely love her/have emotions for her. He seemed to genuinely have emotions for his family. My hypothesis is that it could be possible. For instance, if this killer did feel some emotional connection to people in his life, could that be extended? How would they be different, if at all, if they weren't then encouraged, or forced to do unusually cruel things to other living beings?

I just don't have the experience to know. My guess is it's not as cut and dry as it might seem. We all have overtones and undertones of cruelty within us, but we control those impulses.

Sociopaths do rise to the top in societies, but only because people fall for their manipulations, and because we live in a world that rewards that behavior. In a society that did not respond to threat, and was constantly vigilant and aware of manipulation, not by monitoring with cameras, but by being sincere, transparent, and vulnerable, a manipulative personality would stand out right away. I mean in a mini sense you could say that's what happened here on this forum. Sociopaths dominate because they can pit people against each other. I mean, there's only so many people you can kill before they kill you. The main tactic is manipulation and deception. In a society that keeps things suppressed, it would be easy to manipulate people. Since no one is being honest, it would be really hard to tell who was being truthful, and who wasn't.

But if people have integrity, and refuse to go on witch hunts, and foster community, and commit themselves to working through conflict, then a manipulator would stand out right away, so their power would be taken away. In other words, I believe that in an honest society, sociopaths could become harmless and powerless, because their main tools would not work. If the only way to gain power and responsibility is by being helpful to people, then the only way anybody, including a sociopath could gain power is by doing good. As soon as they tried to abuse it, all the flags would go up.

I shouldn't say that I believe this to be the case, but I will say it's possible.

Sociopaths rise to the top only in societies that are based on sociopathic behavior. In a society based on empathy, a sociopath would find themselves socially isolated. Like many empaths have experienced in our world, they would simply have no where to go with their antics, because people wouldn't respond to their tactics. They would either learn to control themselves, or become obscure. And maybe they would even develop the ability to feel in time. We do have stories about androids who quest to experience emotion.

I do think it comes back to the masses. If the majority of the population is practicing honest, sincere, heart felt, open communication, if things are out in the open, then it would be damn near impossible for a sociopath to gain any substantial power. A seed is only strong when it is planted in fertile soil.

It's a very interesting contemplation. Those are my thoughts. Thank you for this most excellent question.

[Fred Steeves]

Thanks everybody for the varied responses, Fascinating, as Spock would say. I think we should all get together for a picnic in a shady park and talk about things like this.(BYOB of course) Just imagine, dozens of Avalonians milling together over burgers and cold beer talking about controversial subjects like this. I wouldn't miss that for anything!

My main reason for starting this thread was the recent revelation that an incalculably long time ago I was one of the world rulers that we so despise here. I was a good little soul until I advanced high enough to get some for real psychic, and other abilities. Then at some point I deemed it reasonable to assume that I was entitled to use these abilities to do as I please, no matter the expense to others. AT ALL.

That's when universal law kicked in and took me down for what I call "the big fall". All the way. Not just back to the starting point, but well beyond. This is a very efficient means to give a confused soul plenty of time to "re-consider things". It's a painful, long slog back up with the soul memory of what happened and why, but for those like me who learn best and deepest through the school of hard knocks, I recommend it.

This remembrance makes our jury scenario an interesting dichotomy for me. On the one hand the actions of our rulers make me want to vomit, but on the other hand I weep for the most valuable journey they have chosen.

Something tells me that we are not going to have to worry that much about the scenario I laid out. Although my position as a juror would be forgiveness, combined with observation and various re-habs as have been described, I think the vast majority of them will simply commit suicide at the anguish of losing control.

HAVE A GOOD FALL GUYS, WE'LL CELEBRATE YOUR RETURN WITH OPEN ARMS!!!:whoo:


Cheers,
Fred

[Tony]

Your story may not be over yet.
Our story is not over yet.
Together we may reduce the karmic effect.

All the best

Tony

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

I’ve thought of this scenario often and have had numerous dreams of pushing my way through a crowded very advanced conference room area with a full entourage, long flowing robes, colorful capes and sitting down in a chair to decide what appears to be a monumental decision of the fate of the world. I’m usually siding with those who take us back to the stone age, hit the reset button, and its not a knee jerk reaction, it’s the only logical response to a system gone so far astray. We all get to grunt and groan redevelop language the simple use of fire, the vibratory level will be dropped to a very dense level. The panel always adds if we could even get the most rudimentary first sign of consciousness being raised all of the reverting could be avoided, ‘feed, clothe and shelter every human on the planet,’ the technological level of the Earth is at a level where this could be done fairly simply, but man’s greed trumps all and so the seal of dense reverting is stamped, the residents of Earth collective consciousness unanimously agrees the lessons have not been learned and must be revisited.

[WolfRgue]

The answer can be complex, but to put it in simple terms I would bring things back into balance.

[Kimberley]

I just found this great thread.... thank you Fred.

I say if you do not judge then there is nothing to forgive. And all is well!

I also add this quote from Annalee Skarin (July 7, 1899 – January 17, 1988)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annalee_Skarin

"And now my beloved I will give again the sacred keys on which the forgiveness of your sin is based. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Those who can not forgive can not be forgiven. The very core of being forgiven is contained in the ability to forgive. Those who carry their grudges and hates and spirit of retaliation with them are carrying a burden of such deep darkness. They become acutely clothed in the darkness of their own dislikes. And so I speak gently these words for all have sinned. Your own great release will come when you can forgive. If you can not forgive you are carrying upon your shoulders your neighbors, your brothers failures and transgressions and you are also carrying the burden of your own sins, weaknesses, innumerable errors, and mistakes . When I commanded you to judge not lest you be judged, I was revealing the great eternal law by which you would escape the great judgment."

[Billy]

As i am not a judge, I would ask them to forgive themselves.

[Kimberley]

As i am not a judge, I would ask them to forgive themselves.

Yes... that is perfect Billy!!!! XO :rockon:

[Fred Steeves]

As i am not a judge, I would ask them to forgive themselves.

Boy, there's more to that one than meets the eye. MUY BIEN!

Cheers,
Fred

[Kimberley]

I really like this thread and would love to see more view points so my reason for writing this :luv: Much love to us all!

[dukes4monny]

They will have to live with the realisation of what they they have done. I would thank them for the lessons given.........

[ghostrider]

The long awaited shift has occured, the balance of power on Earth has shifted as well. Humanity, having awakened, is no longer suffering under it's endless oppression, and is now free to live life as they please.

TPTW have been identified, each and every major player. Every soul on the planet is now fully informed as to their true history, and what has been done over the many millennia to them and their ancestors.

A jury panel of 12 highly respected people from around the world has been set up to decide what the consequences should be for these oppressors, and you have been chosen to be a member of this panel due to your understanding of these matters, and your spiritual awareness.

The arguements have been made. The accused bow their heads before you, and you can hear a pin drop as the whole world stops and waits to hear the recommendation.

This is your chance to set things right. What would your recommendation be?

WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

Cheers,
Fred
I would forgive them, but they are banished to re-live third density on earth in the 1700's.

[Snowbird]

#63 Were the current "reality" to drop veil and reveal "The Powers that be/were/have been" in their most intention driven state, and the rest of the universal population stood in recognition of what has been going on here, within the confines of Earth... it is my belief that many, taken so suddenly out of their dreamer's reverie to a true reality, would be stunned. I can include myself, for even with the years of work, homework, shadow work et cetra, that I have done thus far, I know my current perception of real is far from realizing the real lies by which I am surrounded. Still....

After the shock and awe of this unveiling what could we do to allow the polarity's balance to remain intact, (and thus continue to be) while protecting the planetary purpose of growth into what one may become, given unfettered opportunity.... how many would continue to distract themselves, negligent to their duty? Ignorant of their purpose for it is so much easier to pretend and exist as the victim of some unseen force, than recognize the choice each one made to go back to sleep.

I would ask for further clarification on the particulars of this shift before giving my hypothetical reply... but it's a wonderful topic to consider.

Good Form.

I've only read up to this point in this thread thus far. Cigan Mojia has brought up the subject that I have yet to read from others.

We live and attempt to thrive currently in a state of duality, however unchecked and unbalanced. What our future holds, has been defined by the many. Some say that essentially nothing here on this one Earth will change and that we will be actively engaged in clearing away the mine fields and the pollution and burying the massive dead. All this, while attempting to survive as we continue to dwell in the same space(s) with those who have continually caused the havoc. Others say that in some way, shape or form, there will be a separation of sorts that will allow those who choose to expand their consciousness and live in peace and prosperity, to be partitioned from those who are currently on Earth who enjoy great technological advancement (although hidden from the rest of us), but who are not interested in expanding their consciousness. This later group are those uber wealthy, elite, powers-that-be/were/have-been, whose main goals are collective control of humanity, power over planet Earth, elimination of a few billion human inhabitants of Earth and misery for those whose bloodlines do not meet the dominators' criteria.

My personal belief belongs with those who envision a type or sort of separation-from. Perhaps some, would like to continue to live with those who wreck havoc at every opportunity, but I don't. I believe that we each have not only the opportunity to envision our own individual future paths, but we have the responsibility to make-it-happen.

Personally? Would I want to sit on the panel of 12.....but not to judge. I am fully and completely aware that I am not perfect. I would want to sit on the panel of 12 to help to make the decision as to what is best for those concerned and those concerned, include the 6-billion other inhabitants of planet Earth.

Those oppressors who come before the panel of 12, would be given HUGE opportunity to incorporate HUGE AND MASSIVE change within their consciousness. I would call before these those who have the unique knowledge and wisdom to determine the true nature of one's heart attitude. I would call Lucia Renee and Inelia into this gathering to help to decide which of these is genuinely asking for clemency and which are simply paying lip service. Those whose hearts have genuinely changed, would be offered and given clemency and would then be ALLOWED to become active citizens and participants of the New Earth. Those, paying lip service, would simply not be prepared to be ALLOWED to become an active participant of the New Earth and would be dealt with by higher sources and removed from the Earth and sent to universal stations off the Earth, that are best suited for their individual and unique growth. These would also essentially be banned from returning to the Earth until and unless they meet set criteria....which in their case will be strict.

I believe that there are a few of these who are soooo far gone, that they will eventually become galaxy dust.

[9eagle9]

Give them something to do....telemarketing is perfect.

[crownme]

waves o/

interesting thought you got here :)

what would i do.. let them go...

i hold no right to judge anyone for their actions, as no one else can judge me but myself.

if this would be the case the enlightenment would have surpassed their previous actions. to say, if all become one to understand what these have done. then the understand that actions of simililar kind against them would not solve it, but perhaps propell it to escalate into further confusement.

thus the thought og paying back with same price will only set yourself and your species bck to the point where these other individuals you are judging are.

would not make the race any better than the individuals being "punished".

why would you essentially hurt and separate yourself from your own species by eliminating your own kind right next to you. good or bad.

recomandations. well maby learn from their actions and experiences?

mabye look at all their actions with an open mind. and then look at their envirorment that they was in before/during/after.

to understand their actions and how they feel.

to take them back into the arms of their species as the individuals they are. to let them see how others felt. how others viewed them. what the consecuenses of their action was, not only to them but everything. to let them feel what the rest feel.

but also to take them in to understand how they feel and think.

within this lies the truth of what has happened. and with that truth comes the understanding of how to not create the same situations again so no one would suffer. becouse now we now.

namaste

[9eagle9]

From a practical point of clarity. These people don't hate us. No more than the farmer hates the cattle in the field. We served a purpose, so there's no reason to hate us.... perhaps that purpose is no longer beneficial to them but they are not hating us on an individual level. We're just the faceless mass which probably makes it that much easier to hide the truth from us to further their comfy existence. If we ever became real individuals to them that may be a point of perception. But they aren't hating on an individual level its just some of us make it more difficult to keep the herd from stampeding. They have thier contingency after all. Certainly they may feel some contempt one needs a negative value , a sort of superiority complex to hold the rest of everyone else down...

They don't want to see us all dead because we're individuals just there's too many off use know to serve purpose. WE are just a means to end. Don't take it personally if one is doing their work we'd know better, our self value is found within us not by other people, you, him, them or the PTB. Some people are screaming to be acknowledge as equals by the PTB, when its clear we have a better sense of humanity.

They are the big faceless PTB to us, we know very few on an individual level, and I have no doubt they view us in the same way....a great big 'they', the cattle. Its easy to hate a collective concept but this particular concept is made up of individuals. We are a collective concept to them. We insist on it don't we. We are 'one' we are a collective consciouness and we wonder why we are viewed that way. We act like sheep how else are they going to treat us?

Anger and hatred are individual things. The worst thing we could do to them is bring them down to our level of existence. It may also be the best thing one could ever do for them, include them in the existence we've experienced.

A passion for finding the truth and keeping it found is really all the emotional investment we need otherwise we lose clarity and reason and the bigger picture.

[magicmanx]

THE CALL

"Once long ago, you were flying freely through the heavens,
Yes, you were one of us back then.
You were clothed in a garment of purest Light and knew no limitations, as you do now.,
You experienced perfect Peace as you played amongst the Stars.
You were free to explore the vastness of Space and moved easily through the dimensions.
In those bygone days you were not alone for you were among your Angelic Starry Brethren
and you were surrounded by limitless Love in that long ago time of Grace.
You were full and complete for you and your true partner were but the two wings of the same Angel.
And as the eons passed by, as gracefully as breathing in and breathing out,
You had no wants nor cares, no thoughts or dreams creased your brow,
You resided in a state of purest Joy caressed by the gentlest of breezes,
bathed in shimmering starlight, soothed by the resonance of the Celestial Harmonies.

Then a planet was born and an edict was issued forth for volunteers in co-creation and you answered the call.
You descended to Earth and stepped willingly into the limitations of matter vowing to be brief as measured by Heavenly time. And thus you have served in your body of matter wearing it for so long that you have often forgotten from whence you have come and the time span has appeared so lengthy, the experiences have been so arduous.
You thought yourself abandoned though you knew not from where.
But now the Heavenly Messengers have sent forth their Call
on long Golden Trumpets, filling the skies with their Songs.
IT is the CALL TO AWAKEN.
IT is the CALL TO REMEMBER.
IT is the CALL TO ACTION.
IT is the CALL TO RETURN.
It shall not be long now to return to your home but first comes the finale for your greatest work upon the Earth. Make haste and prepare with loving, enduring thoroughness for all that is to come.
Prepare by becoming yourself and unite your brethren who were also placed here long ago.
And the spiral shall cause it to turn
By the COLLECTIVE POWER OF YOUR LOVE,
By the RADIANT BRILLIANCE of YOUR GOLDEN LIGHT.
Hereby shall you perform your final act of service to Planet Earth.
This shall be your greatest gift. She shall be healed and renewed.
Hereby shall the spiral lift off moving you through the galaxies, and
RETURN YOU HOME.

So.......what would I do.?

I would just go home.......

Why?.. Because........

There is no beginning, there is no end,
There is only change.
There is no teacher, there is no student,
There is only remembering.
There is no good, there is no evil,
There is only expression.
There is no union, there is no sharing,
There is only one.
There is no joy, there is no sadness,
There is only love.
There is no greater, there is no lesser,
There is only balance.
There is no stasis, there is no entropy,
There is only motion.
There is no wakefulness, there is no sleep,
There is only being.
There is no limit, there is no chance,
There is only a plan.

........as I do not know the plan I cannot judge but if we ever get that far then we all deserve to go home.