Dealing with Evil -- Ignore it or what?

[161803398]

One confession from a slaughterhouse worker, worth a thousand words:"One time, I took my knife--it's sharp enough--and I sliced off the end of a hog's nose, just like a piece of lunch meat. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left on my hand and I stuck the salt right up the hog's ass. The poor hog didn't know whether to **** or go blind".



You are really naive if you believe that this is rare.

[crosby]

okay. so i'm going to deal with this my way. wtf. any acts of violence, against an animal or another person are horrible and yes evil. pulling off a fly's wings is also evil. most days, people do not think of these types of atrocities. they go about their business of raising their families, going to work, watching t.v. cooking out, or a million other myriad of duties. when i read this post, it made me angry and grief stricken at the same time. it's because we don't see this type of behavior from our loved ones during our usual day in and day out routines. to see it in print and to be reminded of it is an atrocity of evil in itself. i would like to thank you for this post, but it's making me ill.
corson

[161803398]

Maybe we have to get ill to get better. I don't know. When I see something like this I say to myself I'm going to stop meditating and become a warrior.

[The One]

One confession from a slaughterhouse worker, worth a thousand words:"One time, I took my knife--it's sharp enough--and I sliced off the end of a hog's nose, just like a piece of lunch meat. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left on my hand and I stuck the salt right up the hog's ass. The poor hog didn't know whether to **** or go blind".



You are really naive if you believe that this is rare.

Well i really dont know what to say

Being a slaughterhouse worker you will know that was an inhumane way to kill that animal.If you get some sort of kick from doing this and seeing animals suffer maybe you should seek professional help.Like your title says dealing with evil do not ignore it get it sorted.

[161803398]

The whole slaughterhouse thing is satanic as far as I'm concerned. I think we are on a planet run by psychopaths or satanists. How to deal with them?

And what about the classification of evil as "sick" or "crazy". That is what we do as a society. But are they? There are lots of crazy people or sick people who don't do things like this. And how many of us are being sucked into it; made accessories to evil; actually eating it for dinner; and supporting it with our money. Its not just slaughterhouses; its wars; its all around us everyday and we sit there; taking it.

[Donna O]

One confession from a slaughterhouse worker, worth a thousand words:"One time, I took my knife--it's sharp enough--and I sliced off the end of a hog's nose, just like a piece of lunch meat. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left on my hand and I stuck the salt right up the hog's ass. The poor hog didn't know whether to **** or go blind".



You are really naive if you believe that this is rare.
This is the kind of thing that brings me out in a cold sweat, anger courses through me and I know if I were there, that human would have been missing a few parts too. I do not understand a mind that can do something like this. Those kinds of people are not my kin, they have no relationship or oneness with me. They are a different race, a different vibration. To me, this IS evil. If I am failing in my 'love for all', then I fail - so be it!

Only a human mind could think of such barbaric actions towards a creature that has no concept of torture, cruelty and perverted entertainment like this! Their innocence makes the crimes against them even more despicable and heinous.

In fact, when I hear of things like this I feel earth would be better off without us at all!

Do you eat KFC? If so, take a look at this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3QO1e-QRUQ

[161803398]

I think the anger is a good point. And now we have "anger management". We are not supposed to be angry so we are told. There is something wrong with us if we are angry. I think that is control. Instead of anger management classes; I think people should have classes called "anger direction". But thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

[karelia]

I don't ignore it; but I do step away from it as best as I can. I do not eat meat (or fish) because I have no wish to be responsible for having caused death and misery (and let's face it, even the "humane" way of slaughter is everything but), so I don't feed that branch of satanism. The milk I buy comes from reasonably happy cows who spend their lives out on the pasture in small herds. Eggs come from local homesteads. I buy as much locally as I can, so as to not feed the evil that is corporations. I step away from bullies and control freaks so fast they don't know what hit them. I no longer own a car because a car, too, functions on the principle of destruction and thus feeds the satanic mindset. I work hard all the time to avoid feeding into it because I absolutely believe that if everyone stops feeding into it, that mindset will starve and die.

You are right: we are living in a satanic world. Everything, absolutely everything, is designed to cause anything from inconvenience to misery to death. The ritualistic manner hospitals operate with has nothing to do with bringing health back to an individual and everything with feeding that dark force. "Education" today is purely designed to create unthinking, unobserving, ignorant individuals. But you know what? Everybody can decide to wake up and start making changes. And you don't have to change everything in a day. Bit by bit, start incorporating positive aspects in your life and see how the negative ones fall off all by themselves. And forgive those who don't know better, like that butcher. Let your heart go out to him in compassion because YOU know that he has a long, long, tough path ahead of him.

[9eagle9]

NO. Don't ignore it. Don't send love and light. Don't turn the other cheek. Don't pray. Get angry enough to allow yourself do something. New AGE BS teaches us not to be angry or involve ourselves with negative things and it results in situations like this.

We do something. People like that are woefully sick inside a disease called self loathing, Intervene on the behalf of the animal first, get the man some help. Evil no. Sick yes. If he's evil then the people who let this go unchallenged are as equally as morally bereft.

[Carmen]

My understanding of this is that the people who are indulge in this cruel behavior, which includes all types of cruelty from animal experimentation to individual cruelty, have no "feeling" for animals. They are actually lower in evolution than the animals as animals themselves do not behave like this. What will happen to these types of people is that at some point in their lives they will be suddenly "feel" the same pain in their bodies that they are inflicting on their victims. This experience is coming up soon when we are all being amped up in vibration/consciousness. They will "know" what pain they are inflicting because it will be their experience. What better way for a cruel bastard to experience the results of his actions!

[161803398]

My understanding of this is that the people who are indulge in this cruel behavior, which includes all types of cruelty from animal experimentation to individual cruelty, have no "feeling" for animals. They are actually lower in evolution than the animals as animals themselves do not behave like this. What will happen to these types of people is that at some point in their lives they will be suddenly "feel" the same pain in their bodies that they are inflicting on their victims. This experience is coming up soon when we are all being amped up in vibration/consciousness. They will "know" what pain they are inflicting because it will be their experience. What better way for a cruel bastard to experience the results of his actions!

But what about the rest of us? People (not me) are eating this crap, living it, wearing it, becoming it. Mostly they are eating it in more ways than one. We, like the pigs, are up to our knees (maybe higher) in s h i t and not supposed to be angry. I think that's twisted.

[king anthony]

But what about the rest of us? People (not me) are eating this crap, living it, wearing it, becoming it. Mostly they are eating it in more ways than one. We, like the pigs, are up to our knees (maybe higher) in s h i t and not supposed to be angry. I think that's twisted.

I say, like with true sovereignty - do something about it other then with voice.

[9eagle9]

Do something. Don't allow it. It's a game they play through our fear. Get rid of the fear and quit playing it.

[Donna O]

I have often wanted to go to supermarkets and sabotage all of the caged hens' eggs and just leave the free range intact. Maybe one day you will see me on the news getting carted out of the local tescos :cool:

[christian]

Above all I see it as fact, that you got to protect someone, who gets abused, if the victim isn't voluntarily in that situation (this of course is a tough one considering karmic lessons) and if you feel you are able to do so, becoming a martyr seems quite senseless to me.

Then I got 2 points when dealing with the initially described "evil"

1. Forgiveness, for carrying anger hurts oneself.

2. Help to straighten karma out, that might involve beating the living daylights out of someone. (Afterwards forgiving myself for that as well)

[Lord Sidious]

One confession from a slaughterhouse worker, worth a thousand words:"One time, I took my knife--it's sharp enough--and I sliced off the end of a hog's nose, just like a piece of lunch meat. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left on my hand and I stuck the salt right up the hog's ass. The poor hog didn't know whether to **** or go blind".



You are really naive if you believe that this is rare.

Stories like this make the darkness in me stir.
If I witnessed this, I would be up for at least GBH, but I could never work in a place like that, I can tell you.

Evil MUST be opposed with every fibre of your being, regardless of the cost.
If you do not, someone else, probably your descendants will have to do it.


I think the anger is a good point. And now we have "anger management". We are not supposed to be angry so we are told. There is something wrong with us if we are angry. I think that is control. Instead of anger management classes; I think people should have classes called "anger direction". But thats not gonna happen anytime soon.

Being angry at iniquity is not only not wrong, it is a sign of a soul that knows good from bad.
It isn't the people who get angry that concern me, it is the ones that don't or can't.

[9eagle9]

It isn't the people who get angry that concern me, it is the ones that don't or can't.

That had to be said again.

[andrewgreen]

Where the OP made me want to become vegetarian, carrots for lunch!!

[craig mitchell]

Ok, now we have dealt with what I call petty evil, and it is all around us, and I agree that we cannot ignore it, that it's best to be quick and direct to prevent the act and the spread of it . However if you ever run up against evil with a capital"E", my three rules are:

1- don't engage, 2- don't engage, and 3- don't engage .

Go quickly inward and call for help from the highest spiritual source that you can imagine (perhaps while running like hell or seizing the opportunity to duck away), call loudly, insistently, and with the confidence that you will be heard.

Anyone had that kind of experience?

Regards, Craig

[161803398]

Wherever I look on google anger is described as an "issue" and something that needs to be corrected. I know that there are lots of people in the world who are misdirecting their anger. But it seems they are being taught how to cut the reaction rather than how to direct it. For instance, on one site it says "at the core of anger is a need that is not being fulfilled". I think this is an example of how people are taught to blame themselves for everything.

Once the connection is cut; how can it be restored?

[161803398]

Where the OP made me want to become vegetarian, carrots for lunch!!

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hehe

[Lord Sidious]

Wherever I look on google anger is described as an "issue" and something that needs to be corrected. I know that there are lots of people in the world who are misdirecting their anger. But it seems they are being taught how to cut the reaction rather than how to direct it. For instance, on one site it says "at the core of anger is a need that is not being fulfilled". I think this is an example of how people are taught to blame themselves for everything.

Once the connection is cut; how can it be restored?

F**k that psychology bulls**t!
Oh damn, I did it again, this isn't the swear thread.
Bugger. :p

[Carmen]

If we are faced with a situation of cruelity then we are there to do something about it, and we should. It is our responsibility to do something, we take action. Not necessarily in absolute anger. In that case we have "lost it" If we hear about acts of cruelity, we are not there to take action and we should take our attention off it. The reason I say this is that something foments our anger for us to 'feed' them. When we 'feel' and express anger, especially on a regular basis all we do is to continue to feed into collective anger and negativity that keeps it going. Regularly watching terrible events on television that causes great anger, worry, angst, is exactly what it is designed to do, to keep us in this loop of lower vibrational consciousness, that we think we can do nothing about. I havent expressed myself very well here but I think you get my gist. Take your 'attention' 'off', that which you do not want to re-create. Your 'need' to 'get off' on anger maybe part of the reason why it keeps going. Take responsibility for your own thought patterns and your own emotional addictions. Rightoes anger maybe what you need to overcome. The 'need' to be 'right' can be a real stumbling block to spiritual advancement.

[MargueriteBee]

Why are you bringing this up? Do you not have something better to contribute?

[Carmen]

Are you talking to me MB. If so, then my post is just as relevant as any here.

[Lord Sidious]

If we are faced with a situation of cruelity then we are there to do something about it, and we should. It is our responsibility to do something, we take action. Not necessarily in absolute anger. In that case we have "lost it" If we hear about acts of cruelity, we are not there to take action and we should take our attention off it. The reason I say this is that something foments our anger for us to 'feed' them. When we 'feel' and express anger, especially on a regular basis all we do is to continue to feed into collective anger and negativity that keeps it going. Regularly watching terrible events on television that causes great anger, worry, angst, is exactly what it is designed to do, to keep us in this loop of lower vibrational consciousness, that we think we can do nothing about. I havent expressed myself very well here but I think you get my gist. Take your 'attention' 'off', that which you do not want to re-create. Your 'need' to 'get off' on anger maybe part of the reason why it keeps going. Take responsibility for your own thought patterns and your own emotional addictions. Rightoes anger maybe what you need to overcome. The 'need' to be 'right' can be a real stumbling block to spiritual advancement.

Whilst I agree with what you say and none of it is wrong, it is also not complete.
When there is evil and the victim can't or won't defend themselves, you are going to have to DO something.
The love and light stuff is good, but it wouldn't have helped the pig.
A shuto to the throat of the scumbag would have stopped it instantly.


Why are you bringing this up? Do you not have something better to contribute?

Forums are for discussing things, even things that we find distasteful and distressing.
There is no wisdom in avoiding the darkness, only in confronting, defeating and moving on.

[Carmen]

Yeah, I absolutely agree with you Lord Sidious. If I had been present at that ghastly event I would have had that bastard any which way!!! Nothing would have stopped me!!! That's what I mean,If I was there!! Not being present, but "hearing" about it brings about that same emotional response with no outlit,no action.. But, thats what Im saying. Thats the key ; our negative response 'feeds' more negativity. Its designed to. Its part of our 'mind control'.

[MargueriteBee]

I just don't see the need to bring this up. Why focus minds on such dark stuff?

[Carmen]

Yes, I understand where you are coming from MB. This sort of thing is upsetting. If you read my other post on this thread you would understand more of where I am coming from. This sort of thing I have struggled with a great deal in my spiritual journey. This is my understanding and response to it.

Love to you

Carmen

Ps I am a country person with a great love of animals and have had to deal with cruelity at times.

Inelia's response to the 'dark person' she was sent to is what we should aspire to. Otherwise we to, are lost, and are of no 'help.

[Davidallany]

The power of love and light. The conversion of evil is better than the destruction of evil.
TBwIRq_hmjg


I just don't see the need to bring this up. Why focus minds on such dark stuff?
Indeed. My guess is that some minds don't have enough power to embrace evil. I remember a wonderful story for Inelia facing a very dark and evil entity. Generating good thoughts towards others and meditating can increase one's capacity to face evil. Once we defeat the evil inside, the outside evil will just vanish.

[161803398]

If we are faced with a situation of cruelity then we are there to do something about it, and we should. It is our responsibility to do something, we take action. Not necessarily in absolute anger. In that case we have "lost it" If we hear about acts of cruelity, we are not there to take action and we should take our attention off it. The reason I say this is that something foments our anger for us to 'feed' them. When we 'feel' and express anger, especially on a regular basis all we do is to continue to feed into collective anger and negativity that keeps it going. Regularly watching terrible events on television that causes great anger, worry, angst, is exactly what it is designed to do, to keep us in this loop of lower vibrational consciousness, that we think we can do nothing about. I havent expressed myself very well here but I think you get my gist. Take your 'attention' 'off', that which you do not want to re-create. Your 'need' to 'get off' on anger maybe part of the reason why it keeps going. Take responsibility for your own thought patterns and your own emotional addictions. Rightoes anger maybe what you need to overcome. The 'need' to be 'right' can be a real stumbling block to spiritual advancement.

Yes, and that is a problem that seems to have been presented to us by the PTB. If we go left we are going in the wrong direction; if we go right we are going in the wrong direction. As they say in Ireland, " I dk where we are going but we can't stay here".


I just don't see the need to bring this up. Why focus minds on such dark stuff?

In order to discuss the issue. Anger, action, awareness etc. There are certainly many dark issues on this forum that need to be discussed. My god, we are also talking about "end times"; comets destroying the earth; evil aliens. But there are also issues that are right in our face. Are such issues less important? We weaken ourselves if we cannot also look the devil in the eye and deal with it.

Are we, as humans, able to look the devil in the eye? Or do we have to ignore to keep our sanity?

[toothpick]

I think you should deal with evil head on, eyes front and fists clenched.
Absolutely no fear, none showing anyway.
What other course is there.
Stick your head in the sand like an ostrich.

toothpick

[Lord Sidious]

I just don't see the need to bring this up. Why focus minds on such dark stuff?

Because you use darkness to sharpen the light.



The power of love and light. The conversion of evil is better than the destruction of evil.
TBwIRq_hmjg


I just don't see the need to bring this up. Why focus minds on such dark stuff?
Indeed. My guess is that some minds don't have enough power to embrace evil. I remember a wonderful story for Inelia facing a very dark and evil entity. Generating good thoughts towards others and meditating can increase one's capacity to face evil. Once we defeat the evil inside, the outside evil will just vanish.

That guy is a fraud, he was never a leader in any genuine klan, maybe in a fake one.
I should know, I know two ex grand wizards and the current one.

Only thing he would have been would be the imperial nugget.

[Carmen]

Who cares LS. Its still a great story of courage and love!!!

[Lord Sidious]

Who cares LS. Its still a great story of courage and love!!!

Yeah, a fake one.

[161803398]

The power of love and light. The conversion of evil is better than the destruction of evil.


I think servants of evil can often be changed by love and light. I think this guy was a servant. He has found a new master.

There is talk on this forum about humans evolving. There is even talk about us being godlike. How can this be if we cannot address real evil? If people are going to have real power; this is a serious question.

[Lord Sidious]

The power of love and light. The conversion of evil is better than the destruction of evil.


I think servants of evil can often be changed by love and light. I think this guy was a servant. He has found a new master.

From what I can gather, he was a fed and was only there to infiltrate, he was never a real klansman.
That is what I have heard from real klansman who knew him.

[161803398]

Something happened in the eighties. There was at least a balance (in my mind anyway) prior to that. There were some wonderful people: Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy. None of them were perfect but they were good people. Then somehow and suddenly the dark side got a firmer grip on us. Who is there now to lead the army of light? Is there even an army to lead? WTF happened. Am I wrong about that?

I heard that Hitler lost the war because he was fighting on two fronts. The PTB have given us so many fronts to fight. So people go here; people go there; they fight amongst themselves. But I see all the fronts as being the same thing.

[Lord Sidious]

Something happened in the eighties. There was at least a balance (in my mind anyway) prior to that. There were some wonderful people: Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy. None of them were perfect but they were good people. Then somehow and suddenly the dark side got a firmer grip on us. Who is there now to lead the army of light? Is there even an army to lead? WTF happened. Am I wrong about that?

I wouldn't say that the three you mention were ''good'' even though I am not in a position to judge.
King was a communist for example and the kennedys had their own things going on too, girls dying in the ocean and what not.

[Carmen]

161803398, good question. Maybe its because now is the time for us to stop following leaders, like little sheep, and be our own leaders. Maybe this is the Christmas ---Christ - in - Mass---- of our own 'becoming'

[ulli]

Evil is ignorance of how the universe is ordered. Because time devides reality into little chunks this slaughterhouse worker is unaware of how his action is connected to another event in his future.

If he knew how much suffering he will have to endure as a direct result of his cruelty he would not dream of committing such an act. The law of karma or cause and effect is very precise.
The very fact that people like that feel a need to confess is already a sign of how their past actions are pressing on their conscience.
The only answer is to teach children early on to be kind to animals and each other, for what goes around, comes around.
There is no escaping.

[Davidallany]

WTF happened
People are being messed with, by all sorts of methods, turning people against each other so that they are busy defending their ideas, property and conceits. For this to continue TPTB is counting on revenge and spitefulness. Resulting in fear, hatred and violence.
Oppressors, those who fall for the trap of superiority are the cannon fodders of the masses.
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[thunder24]

Something happened in the eighties. There was at least a balance (in my mind anyway) prior to that. There were some wonderful people: Martin Luther King, John and Robert Kennedy. None of them were perfect but they were good people. Then somehow and suddenly the dark side got a firmer grip on us. Who is there now to lead the army of light? Is there even an army to lead? WTF happened. Am I wrong about that?

There are also more people on the planet now then there were in the eighties. People have been dumbed down in education, slowed down by pill nation, and come to a stand still in motivation. Creation and the humans in it, are a rainbow, some within each band of the spectrum. If you feel so inclind to be the next Robert or Martin, I don't think anyone would fault you for your intentions. Many different things drive many different people. Being a mayrter, or knowing the reprecussions of your actions might lead to your death, is being aware of yourself.

The leaders of the revolution are you and me. The leaders are the mom and pops that try to make life better for their kids, then they had it as a kid. I do not think people realize the different deminsions, shades, hues, and reflections of light to think we are not out there. Light is only percieved as love from an angle of the diamond of life. From another angle it may look cruel and harsh. It will not look the same to everybody. Its all about your perspective.
peace

[161803398]

I wouldn't say that the three you mention were ''good'' even though I am not in a position to judge.
King was a communist for example and the kennedys had their own things going on too, girls dying in the ocean and what not.

I know they all had issues. But compare Kennedy to, heck, anyone that followed. Nixon was taking money from the Mafia - a lot of it. I once saw a documentary (which probably will never be shown again) that he got a million dollars in a briefcase the day he was elected and became "addicted". Johnson was involved with the oil barons. Clinton with the drug barons. Then there were the Bushes. What followed Kennedy was so dark as not to be comparable.

Oh Ronnie wasn't dark. He was a servant who liked watching Leave it to Beaver and reading Reader's Digest.

Here's a bit of history:

http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20042

[161803398]

Being a mayrter, or knowing the reprecussions of your actions might lead to your death, is being aware of yourself.

I never trusted mayrtrs. There was a book called "Hitchhiking for a ride on a cause". No one ever needed to read the book; the title was enough.

[161803398]

Evil is ignorance of how the universe is ordered. Because time devides reality into little chunks this slaughterhouse worker is unaware of how his action is connected to another event in his future.

This is interesting. But I'd love to know what happened to Dr. Mengele....maybe he'll get it in his next life. Or, do the truly evil even have karma? Or, are they simply permitted to exist as they are?

[RedeZra]

if there is no good or evil then who cares

those that know the difference care

we care !

[truth4me]

One confession from a slaughterhouse worker, worth a thousand words:"One time, I took my knife--it's sharp enough--and I sliced off the end of a hog's nose, just like a piece of lunch meat. The hog went crazy for a few seconds. Then it just sat there looking kind of stupid. So I took a handful of salt brine and ground it into his nose. Now that hog really went nuts, pushing its nose all over the place. I still had a bunch of salt left on my hand and I stuck the salt right up the hog's ass. The poor hog didn't know whether to **** or go blind".



You are really naive if you believe that this is rare.

yes it's evil.....:yell:

[Lord Sidious]

WTF happened
People are being messed with, by all sorts of methods, turning people against each other so that they are busy defending their ideas, property and conceits. For this to continue TPTB is counting on revenge and spitefulness. Resulting in fear, hatred and violence.
Oppressors, those who fall for the trap of superiority are the cannon fodders of the masses.
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That vid is a pile of hogwash.
The kkk didn't originate in the 20's, it originated in 1865, in Pulaski, Tennessee.
And it was set up to be a vigilante group.
They didn't only deal with blacks or whatever other groups the politically correct like to ''protect'' either, they dealt with anyone disturbing the peace.
Some of the ''speakers'' are real doozies.
Google morris dees.
They show footage of the Greensboro ''massacre'', but only bits that make the klansman look bad, yet they were tried over and over for that and cleared every time.
You know why? They fired in self defense, which you can see if you find the whole vid on youtube.
I am not defending the klan, they can speak for themselves, but listening to what their enemies say about them and not what they say too, give you an unbalanced view.
The footage of them yelling about the groups they hate is accurate.
They are like that, the majority.
Plus, there are a lot of feds in there, entrapping people to say/do things to get them for it later.
Why do you guys think I speak to you of stopping the madness?
I drank the koolaid before, but I don't now, I can speak to you of this because I lived it.
And here I am amongst you guys, of all groups and races and stuff and I feel at home here.
Remember this guys and girls, groups like this exist because those who control us all want them to exist.



I wouldn't say that the three you mention were ''good'' even though I am not in a position to judge.
King was a communist for example and the kennedys had their own things going on too, girls dying in the ocean and what not.

I know they all had issues. But compare Kennedy to, heck, anyone that followed. Nixon was taking money from the Mafia - a lot of it. I once saw a documentary (which probably will never be shown again) that he got a million dollars in a briefcase the day he was elected and became "addicted". Johnson was involved with the oil barons. Clinton with the drug barons. Then there were the Bushes. What followed Kennedy was so dark as not to be comparable.

Oh Ronnie wasn't dark. He was a servant who liked watching Leave it to Beaver and reading Reader's Digest.

Not one of the ''leaders'' are there because they are good.
They are there to further the agenda of those who control us.
They are the reason we are all in this mess.

[Fred Steeves]

When I was around 10 I was home from school one day alone and eventually got bored. Went and fired up the BBQ full of coals until they were white hot, then that got old. So, I decided to catch a lizard to see what would happen if I threw it on the coals. It ran all the way across and almost made it up over the back lip of the grill before I re-caught it fearing it's inexplicable escape.

All four legs were burnt off pretty much up to the body. I was horrified at the sight of what I had done, it was still frantically struggling, so not knowing what to do with this poor legless lizard, I threw it back in the coals,......... and I watched.........




I've watched slaughterhouse video, so a question: Was this guy bragging, or lamenting?

Also, how many of us can safely say we have no inexcusable and heartless cruelties in our past?

Fred

[sunnyrap]

Found this via Kerry's blog...thought it was appropriate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoRat-Tl_Q&feature=player_embedded

[Lord Sidious]

When I was around 10 I was home from school one day alone and eventually got bored. Went and fired up the BBQ full of coals until they were white hot, then that got old. So, I decided to catch a lizard to see what would happen if I threw it on the coals. It ran all the way across and almost made it up over the back lip of the grill before I re-caught it fearing it's inexplicable escape.

All four legs were burnt off pretty much up to the body. I was horrified at the sight of what I had done, it was still frantically struggling, so not knowing what to do with this poor legless lizard, I threw it back in the coals,......... and I watched.........




I've watched slaughterhouse video, so a question: Was this guy bragging, or lamenting?

Also, how many of us can safely say we have no inexcusable and heartless cruelties in our past?

Fred

Fred, that makes me sad, partially for the lizard, partially for you and partially for me too.
We have all done things that we are not proud of, it is how we deal with it that decides which road we journey on.



Found this via Kerry's blog...thought it was appropriate...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvoRat-Tl_Q&feature=player_embedded

Come out of there, hidden revolutionaries.

[161803398]

Not one of the ''leaders'' are there because they are good.
They are there to further the agenda of those who control us.
They are the reason we are all in this mess.

Yes, I have the sense, I'm looking at a snapshot. Downtimes for the evil while the rest of us go to sleep and forget.

[161803398]

so are we supposed to start loving now that the planet is firmly in the grip of a bunch of psychos? I'm sure they will reform once they know we love them.

[161803398]

Does anyone know the name of the guy, a Republican mystic, of whom it was thought possible he could be elected president of the United states in the 40s but was sent to prison by the PTB. He wrote in the 30s about WW1. He said the same people who brought you WW1 are going to bring you another world war.

[Franny]

The Warrior archetype is an honorable one and could not exist without dragons, tyrants and monsters - like the slaughter house torturer - to fight. There are many and we pass thru most of them in order to experience and transcend each.

When I was practicing martial arts I was taught that anger would cloud the mind. What was needed to fight a battle or win a tournament was clarity, intense focus and integrity - in the sense of being as integrated as possible in all aspects of the being in order to accomplish the task at hand.

One of my models for this was Mohammad Ali. He pounded his opponent into a pulp without malice then danced around chanting about how great and marvelous he was. Then he walked offstage, dropped the big ego fighter persona and returned to himself again. I enjoyed his attitude and learned a lot about a particular way to live and see the world even tho I strongly preferred martial arts and really disliked boxing.

Fighting without malice, anger or avenging evil eliminates fear, keeps integrity tight and the mind clear; itʻs a very clean way to fight.

In order to maintain our personal integrity in these times, many of us will need to haul our inner Warrior archetype out of storage and prepare it for battle. There are endless things to fight; picking battles wisely helps conserve energy.


Shankara:

This entire universe of which we speak and think is nothing but Brahman [Infinite Consciousness]. And Brahman dwells beyond the ranges of Maya [Illusion]. There is nothing else.

[161803398]

Fighting without malice, anger or avenging evil eliminates fear, keeps integrity tight and the mind clear; itʻs a very clean way to fight.

Theres a famous book on how to properly fight a war; it could probably apply to any fight.

http://www.artofwarsuntzu.com/Art%20of%20War%20PDF.pdf

I'd say he appears to distinguish between choler and anger. Perhaps I am wrong.

Noted this also:

6. There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare.

10. ....
Contributing to maintain an army at a distance causes the people to be impoverished.

12. When their substance is drained away, the peasantry will be afflicted by heavy exactions.

13,14. With this loss of substance and exhaustion of strength, the homes of the people will be
stripped bare, and three-tenths of their income will be dissipated; while government expenses for broken chariots, worn-out horses, breast-plates and helmets, bows and arrows, spears and shields,protective mantles, draught-oxen and heavy wagons, will amount to four-tenths of its total revenue.

Off topic maybe...but one thing led to another....

[Tony]

Evil manipulation.


The theme of 'AMIMAL FARM' is based on, 'four legs good two legs bad...changing to four legs good, two legs better.

We are being subtly manipulated.

We have to be on the lookout for subtle changes in meaning of laws, or usage. Everything seems to be a manipulation, it's as if someone is playing a huge multi-key-board. This key board controls physical DNA and social DNA and mental DNA. They know that if they play a certain cord, it is the prelude to the next cords.

Yes, get angry, but channel it? When I used to fence, it was controlled aggression. Well, Not aggression...energy! So as not to waste energy..........!

This may not be the best place for in depth discussion.

Tony

[161803398]

We have to be on the lookout for subtle changes in meaning of laws, or usage. Everything seems to be a manipulation, it's as if someone is playing a huge multi-key-board. This key board controls physical DNA and social DNA and mental DNA. They know that if they play a certain cord, it is the prelude to the next cords.

I was just thinking something similar. It should be choler management. Anger is getting a bad rap.

And our language is being simplified.

Thanks for that post.

[Peragrate]

Yes, that's just horrible. You can shoot a cow with a rocket launcher here in Cambodia for about $500.

To the original poster. Please visit me at calmwater.net.

[Daedaoula]

Hi, thanks for the post. There is evil in the world, as there is polarity. One must not ignore it, for it will still exist, even if your attention is diverted. It will surround you and get you when you least expect it (or make you act in dark ways when you think your being light). Enlightenment is the process of integrating both light and dark and finding balance

The aversion of facing 'evil', 'dark' and 'negative' subject matters is an act of pure fear. A fear of the truth. It's time to grow up and act like adults. face the darkness and react to it in a positive manner... integrate it and it will balance out....

Many light/lovers put their blinkers on and basically say internally 'its not happening , its not happening, laa laa laa, its not happening' - but it is happening.. look around, look at the world.. You can still be empowered , even in the face of darkness, to understand what it is, and what you prefer. thank the negativity, respectfulyl thank it for showing you who you prefer to be. It allows me to see my chosen path clearly. I choose the path of creativity, and i bid the path of destruction farewell.... which do you choose?
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I have worked the golden rule into my life, and endevour to integrate it into the moment.
*quote from wiki* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[1] ethical code, or morality[2] that essentially states either of the following:

One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive form)[1]
One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule)

(take note, both the positive and negative ways of expressing the rule... )
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anyhow, I am a Vegan, for ethical reasons mainly. I no longer wish to perpetuate the suffering of my fellow earthly brothers/sisters in the animal kingdom.

The reality, and if you fully comprehend it.. each supermarket in the world, visualize the meat sections (all of them, flitting past your inner eye, so many, isle and isle of limbs, flesh, minced, sliced, diced... packets, frozen, all the slaughter houses.. they are there, its happening!!)... each food product that uses animal produce... then imagine all the death, sacrifice (blood) going on in this very moment.. think about the energy release, the anger of the killers, the suffering.... the evil and darkness is there... cant you feel it? It's there even if you are thinking about light and love, positive vibrations, raising your frequency (i do every day), ascension into higher realms or whatever else you use to bring light and love into your being.... but what do you eat for dinner? why do you eat it? How does it effect your 'light & love'?

you could make a choice, to remove your energy, peacefully, respectfully decline to participate. Do not attack those who follow these routes of darkness, for this is their path (law of allowance)

This speech by Gary Yourofsky is indeed excellent in my opinion. I feel he really raises very valid points, and has helped many of my friends and family awaken and choose their path in life.. but remember, those who choose to eat meat, do not judge them or think any less, for you are doing yourself a great disservice if you do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4
http://youtu.be/es6U00LMmC4

edit> cant seem to embed video in post for some reason. can usually do so with other forums.. any ideas?
Daeda

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

Your code must have been wrong.

[9eagle9]

To expand on your excellent post D, many light/lovers chant "its not happening" and ....and for those who are observing it happening and are ready to intervene.... we are negative, evil and angry.

Excellent post.

[KosmicKat]

...do the truly evil even have karma? Or, are they simply permitted to exist as they are?
My present understanding is that everyone who persists in pursuing negative courses will be given every conceivable form of guidance and encouragement to change course. But at some point if they insist on following a darker path, their being, the substance of who they are, will be completely erased.

...
I have worked the golden rule into my life, and endevour to integrate it into the moment.
*quote from wiki* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule

The Golden Rule or ethic of reciprocity is a maxim,[1] ethical code, or morality[2] that essentially states either of the following:

One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself (positive form)[1]
One should not treat others in ways that one would not like to be treated (negative/prohibitive form, also called the Silver Rule)

(take note, both the positive and negative ways of expressing the rule... )

With reference to the OP, how might this person react if a third party committed a similar act against someone important to them? What we do (or are willing to do) can be seen as a license for others to do the same, against us if they wish.

[Daedaoula]

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[Fred Steeves]

...do the truly evil even have karma? Or, are they simply permitted to exist as they are?
My present understanding is that everyone who persists in pursuing negative courses will be given every conceivable form of guidance and encouragement to change course. But at some point if they insist on following a darker path, their being, the substance of who they are, will be completely erased.


I don't think so. Many of us wouldn't be incarnated now if that were the case. The big fall can give one all the time they need, and more, to re-consider their choices. As Jim Morrison so aptly put it, "Let me tell you about heartache and the loss of God".

Cheers,
Fred

[161803398]

I heard of that speech by Gary Yourofsky before but I just watched it now. I have already come to the conclusion that there is something extremely wrong with our eating habits because I can see deterioration in my own family who originally came from Iceland, Finland and Ireland. The Icelandic and Finnish were healthy of course. But even on the Irish side they were, and this rare for their time, very food conscious. But coming to Canada wasn't good from a health perspective.

The Irish, generally, have terrible health problems. The men don't expect to live much past 65 because, out in the country, they expect to die of heart attacks at around 65. They eat what they call "bacon" which is not what we call "bacon". Its more like a boiled roast, only from a pig. I've never tried it because the gross factor was too big. Sausages every morning also. They also eat deer meat sometimes. Heart attacks and cancer are epidemic. But they expect it and don't question it. There's hope for the Irish though because they are very adaptable people.

[sunnyrap]

Incredible documentary by Daniel Goldhagen on genocides that have occurred around the world: always because of the political aims of the small number of men running the country. It is sobering to see the politics of eliminatism spelled out, and see it operating in your own country. Our country could be next: <object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/w7cZuhqSzzc?version=3"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/w7cZuhqSzzc?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></object>

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Ack, embed code not working for some reason; video link here: http://www.cmn.tv/videos/genocide-worse-than-war/

Long, riveting video.

[9eagle9]

The Irish had their health problems imposed on them by the English who took away most of their indigenous food, and replaced it with bread and potatoes. And they drank for the same reason the Native Americans in the states struggle with alcoholism destruction of culture and self identity.

Yeah I remember my first experience with 'bacon'. It looked like a gray boiled zombie head.

[Fred Steeves]

Anyone here ever flatten a pregnant cockroach?

How bout sprayed for termites and annihilate an entire colony of peaceful vegetarians?

Just wondering where our moral boundries lie to dilineate between the innocent and the guilty.

Fred

[jjl]

I think it is acceptable to do what is best for our health as does every other species, including roaches,

[161803398]

The Irish had their health problems imposed on them by the English who took away most of their indigenous food, and replaced it with bread and potatoes. And they drank for the same reason the Native Americans in the states struggle with alcoholism destruction of culture and self identity.

Yes! But my dad was into seaweed because he lived by the beach at Rossnowlagh in Donegal.

[161803398]

Anyone here ever flatten a pregnant cockroach?

How bout sprayed for termites and annihilate an entire colony of peaceful vegetarians?

Just wondering where our moral boundries lie to dilineate between the innocent and the guilty.

Unfortunately, that's your decision to make.

[Lord Sidious]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7cZuhqSzzc&feature=player_embedded

This should work.

[Teresa]

Just popping in and out (dinner to prepare) and this thread caught my eye. Only read the first post - will read the rest later, but had to put my 2cents in.

This subject matter actually hurts me physically - I doubt I could watch any related video. Someone very dear to me had a most horrific upbringing. This was now many years ago. Her worst fear? That the souls of her abusers will be lost, and her dearest wish is that they not be. Her forgiveness is totally real and so is her concern for their spiritual wellbeing. She said to me recently; "what point is there shining the light with your back to the dark - stand and face the darkeness - that's where your light needs to go".

Now I'm not half the person she is, I find any kind of cruelty, especially to defenceless animals (and babies and children) impossible to understand and deal with, let alone forgive. Right, gotta go...