Nick Pope 'EXPOSED' as Dis-Info Agent..!

[jackovesk]

Nick Pope Dis-Info Agent - Exposed on 911 by Anthony J Hilder ..!

Veteran filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Cannot Believe his Ears when Nick Pope tries to convince him 911 wasn't an 'inside job' and takes the Official Govt. line that Al Qeada did it...and Shows how Mr Pope has bought into the Government Lie about 9/11 and the US/Coalition's subsequent involvement of the two wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some of you may have already seen this, but for the benefit of some of our newer members I was asked to start a thread on this subject...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNg9CC3hAc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MbiOYuLVc&feature=related

PS - When you really 'Think About It', just what Real Value has Nick Pope EVER uncovered on any Subject for that matter i.e. Ufology, Govt. Secrecy, etc?

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?

Perhaps some of you Avalonian Researchers have uncovered even more Truths about this Shill?

How can this man be Ever be Trusted?

[DoubleHelix]

Yes good decision Jacko, This indeed needs to reach a wider audience :director:

[mondaze]

everything nick pope says is a snow job... didn't he work for the spooks?

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

[jackovesk]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

Absolutely Viking, just the 2 'You Tube' Videos...

Good luck with getting a response?

If you do make sure you inform us of his reply...

Jack

[Etherios]

...

I met a scientist ... English lady working as electromagnetic something research. I had a few talks with her and i very fast stopped any kind of talks with her. The moment she conects a topic to conspiracy its over. THe guy in these videos talks about the bbc live report that said building 7 is down and in the background we could see it ... i gave her that and her reply was i want the bbc archive else this is tampered with and i dont want to even see it. I said but thousands saw the video... she said no i dont believe it if i dont see the archives. SO i said ok then go look for it must be there i am in greece cant find it that easily. And she stopped me by saying i wont waste my time for something fake. o.O

I tried to talk about ETs and zero point energy and she almost got mad at me for saying stupid things. For her we have discovered everything in the universe and all we can discover now is better more sophisticated ways to use anything. So if the scientists think we are done ... i fear for humanity. BtW she told me that ETs exist but we will never make contact cause of distance and cause of electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O.


Sorry for the off topic comment but ... it might explain why nick pope is unable to see things differently. Then again he might just be paid to say these things ... He was part of BBC when aliens attack and he (i think i remember right) agreed that aliens might come to kill us. He was one of the "experts" that talked in that program.

[truthseekerdan]

For about a year now I started to have 'reservations' regarding N. Pope and R. Hoagland. Well, at least one of them was exposed...

Good research Jack! :thumb:

Much Love

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

Absolutely Viking, just the 2 'You Tube' Videos...

Good luck with getting a response?

If you do make sure you inform us of his reply...

Jack

Done, we'll see!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nick-Pope/119675991444652

viking

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Jackovesk .............Nick Pope as Colin Andrews eliquently put it on the other thread said, he is still reporting, and always will be subject to the official secrets act concerning his job as head of the goverments UFO desk.

A convenient tittle/job for him to slot into the alternate community as an ' inside jobber ' . Personally he seems like a very nice bloke , and his bread and butter presentation on the 1990 Rendlesham/woodbridge incident is very efficiantly presented at conferences . The trouble is he says nothing new and all his infomation has been covered before by the likes of Linda Moulon Howe , Colnel Charles Holt and others . To me he is a 'Sheep in Wolfs clothing'.

He is regularly brought out as a independent journalist especially on the BBC to comment on any UFO/out of the ordinary incident , ( check out U Tube clips ) and everytime without fail he sounds like a 'wet Blanket ' never confirming any sighting in a positive light from our/his so called perspective and I always leave one of his interviews wanting to 'slap him in the face with a wet Haddock' Sorry.

Anyway if he calls himselfe an independent journalist , he is obviously modeling his work on the mainstream media feeding us a few scraps of info we already know to gain access and invitations to speak at conferences and mix with the main people in Ufology today. If he had any credibility he would be one of the best 'whistlblowers' around , yet he freely admits himselfe there is only so much he will say, and what he does say is already out there.

Cheers Steve.....

[RedeZra]

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?


but truths don't get media coverage nor a seat at an expert table

which is as well

as nobody would recognize it anyhow ; )

[toothpick]

Damn, I liked that Niick Pope, thought he was on the level.
Must have been that accent made me trust him, I don,t know.
Now he turns out to be just another disinformation agent.
Just goes to show me, that I can,t even trust my own judgement.
Be careful out there.
jack, thanks alot man.
Your posts are always loaded with informaton.
Takes me forever to get through one, I love it.

toothpick

[Cidersomerset]

Regarding the video Jackovesk I did make a comment on the other thread as you know.....I'm still angry about it..... how can he have any credibility in our field towing so blatently the party line

on 9/11 . If he genuinly does believe the 'CIA DA' version , well its a free country just , I'm still as ' FLABBERGASTED' as I was on the crop circle thread .....Hang on I'm going to put the Kettle on again..LOL...

[truthseekerdan]

Nick Pope: "Aliens might regard Earth as a potential threat" -- Give me a break, the threat is already amongst us Nick!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYbRYPikBPw

[mondaze]

...

I met a scientist ... English lady working as electromagnetic something research. I had a few talks with her and i very fast stopped any kind of talks with her. The moment she conects a topic to conspiracy its over. THe guy in these videos talks about the bbc live report that said building 7 is down and in the background we could see it ... i gave her that and her reply was i want the bbc archive else this is tampered with and i dont want to even see it. I said but thousands saw the video... she said no i dont believe it if i dont see the archives. SO i said ok then go look for it must be there i am in greece cant find it that easily. And she stopped me by saying i wont waste my time for something fake. o.O

I tried to talk about ETs and zero point energy and she almost got mad at me for saying stupid things. For her we have discovered everything in the universe and all we can discover now is better more sophisticated ways to use anything. So if the scientists think we are done ... i fear for humanity. BtW she told me that ETs exist but we will never make contact cause of distance and cause of electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O.


Sorry for the off topic comment but ... it might explain why nick pope is unable to see things differently. Then again he might just be paid to say these things ... He was part of BBC when aliens attack and he (i think i remember right) agreed that aliens might come to kill us. He was one of the "experts" that talked in that program.

there are some amongst us who refute anything which suggests chemtrails are real...

[Cidersomerset]

Hi again I think it is time the people in our community with the opportunity and crediblity, should maybe start asking Nick what his agenda is since its not 'Whistle blowing' Is it just to do the conference circuit selling

books to supplement his MOD pay/pension whichever one it is ? Or is he just a good old fashioned spy ? Or am I missing something here ? Cheers...Steve..

[1159]

It's an old trick of the enemy. They appear to be very sympathetic with your views, even to the point of proposing action and opinion that substantiates your paradigm. Then just as you think they have it all sorted and are trustworthy, they drop in certain changes in direction and contradictions hoping you just go along with it. Nick Pope wants to be an OFFICIAL investigator. That word 'official' means he's constrained by political pressures.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Truthseeker Dan.................Very interesting although its a so called Sci=Fi vid . MR .Pope has started to show his true colours. Twenty one years at the MOD and he confirms he thinks aliens probably exist, and all our information is top secret .
That blows the freedom of infomation requests on UFO's out of the water....Of course he knows more than he is saying and when in previous interviews he pussyfoots around saying 'if there was anything more to the UFO stories than they would have been released by freedom of information than he would know'..............
YES he does KNOW he just not telling the community he so called supposed to be a part of... Come on Nick just be straight with us and admit what you are !

[Snowbird]

Nick Pope tried a few years ago to come into the alternative community and tell the truth. He had a good start, but was pulled back in. He knows the truth, but for whatever reason, has decided against exposing it.

[manny]

i think that statically theres only about 2 per cent of the population who will listen to and learn from the alternative media.
the government look at us as a laughing stock,whilst they go on about there merry way.
if you went out and said 911 was a inside job,majority of people will think of you as a nut or a Al Qeada sympathizer.
the majority of people don,t want to listen to the truth.:doh::doh:

[Snowbird]

i think that statically theres only about 2 per cent of the population who will listen to and learn from the alternative media.
the government look at us as a laughing stock,whilst they go on about there merry way.
if you went out and said 911 was a inside job,majority of people will think of you as a nut or a Al Qeada sympathizer.
the majority of people don,t want to listen to the truth.:doh::doh:

The truth is too painful. Those continuing to hide the truth are fully and completely aware of this. This is the reason that it takes so long for people to hear and accept the truth...or the pain.

[jackovesk]

i think that statically theres only about 2 per cent of the population who will listen to and learn from the alternative media.


And that 2% is Growing Exponentially every day and that's Why the TPTW are Desperately Trying to Speed Up their Agenda!

You see Manny - TPTW have already LOST!

[manny]

i think that statically theres only about 2 per cent of the population who will listen to and learn from the alternative media.
the government look at us as a laughing stock,whilst they go on about there merry way.
if you went out and said 911 was a inside job,majority of people will think of you as a nut or a Al Qeada sympathizer.
the majority of people don,t want to listen to the truth.:doh::doh:

The truth is too painful. Those continuing to hide the truth are fully and completely aware of this. This is the reason that it takes so long for people to hear and accept the truth...or the pain.
the truth is a bunch of lies told by the mass media.who unfortunately many people see as gospel.

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i think that statically theres only about 2 per cent of the population who will listen to and learn from the alternative media.


And that 2% is Growing Exponentially every day and that's Why the TPTW are Desperately Trying to Speed Up their Agenda!

You see Manny - TPTW have already LOST!

hope your right...keep up the awakening!

[Jacqui D]

Nick Pope in his early exposure to aliens and ufo's and his position within the government as a ufo investigator had said many time there there was absolutely no proof regarding the matter his job entailed now suddenly this guy has turned around saying he has watched many videos and pictures which has given him a different view point on the whole situation, well excuse me i think he is a sham and full of it! Don't trust the man never have never will.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes snowbird its easy to forget sat here among likeminded people , that the vast majority of the worlds population either don't care or are ignorant of anything we are discussing here , and to be fair why should they , in one sence we are all individual creators and our destiny is in our own hands if we are brave enough to step out of the box and take it.

On the other hand the vast majority of us are trapped in our own societies and cultures, so as you say TPTB can frighten us into trapping ourselves , Religions and Governments setting the seal... I think & hope the answer is at hand and although I've never been a spiritual person ,

The last few years have guided me conciously to head towards a higher level , and although I've been interested in UFO's etc since I was a boy , The synchrinicities in recent years have changed me from thinking when we die we just get absorbed back into the planets electrical energy. To we are far bigger than we think and we are gods experiencing a physical existance as part of a greater conciousness......Try explaining that down the pub. cheers Steve..

PS I must be listening to to much David Icke and ION , And yes more and more people are
awakening , don't know the percentage but it is going up....

[manny]

disclosure,awakening,ra el,comet elenin.
whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen,we have no control over anything.not that any of us would want to.
enjoy the ride.;)

[greybeard]

disclosure,awakening,ra el,comet elenin.
whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen,we have no control over anything.not that any of us would want to.
enjoy the ride.;)

Hi manny
wake me up when it is all over.
Your very old friend.

[manny]

disclosure,awakening,ra el,comet elenin.
whatever is gonna happen is gonna happen,we have no control over anything.not that any of us would want to.
enjoy the ride.;)

Hi manny
wake me up when it is all over.
Your very old friend.
don,t hibernate during the summer months...you might miss it.
and thats why we are here ,a change is coming ,and we are apart of it.;)

[manny]

sorry Jackovest if it,s gone off topic,not intentional.
tend to do that...:p

[fopa]

I have always felt that Mr Pope is a decoy dis-info worker. It's to simple to just paint him with the pro/con brush it goes much deeper than that.

[Snowbird]

Yes snowbird its easy to forget sat here among likeminded people , that the vast majority of the worlds population either don't care or are ignorant of anything we are discussing here , and to be fair why should they , in one sence we are all individual creators and our destiny is in our own hands if we are brave enough to step out of the box and take it.

On the other hand the vast majority of us are trapped in our own societies and cultures, so as you say TPTB can frighten us into trapping ourselves , Religions and Governments setting the seal... I think & hope the answer is at hand and although I've never been a spiritual person ,

The last few years have guided me conciously to head towards a higher level , and although I've been interested in UFO's etc since I was a boy , The synchrinicities in recent years have changed me from thinking when we die we just get absorbed back into the planets electrical energy. To we are far bigger than we think and we are gods experiencing a physical existance as part of a greater conciousness......Try explaining that down the pub. cheers Steve..

:yes4: It makes me smile just thinking about Steve down at the pub trying to enlighten those around him about the subjects that we discuss on this forum.

Just the thought........ :pound:

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

Absolutely Viking, just the 2 'You Tube' Videos...

Good luck with getting a response?

If you do make sure you inform us of his reply...

Jack

Done, we'll see!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nick-Pope/119675991444652

viking

His response here...
quote...
"This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:"

http://www.nickpope.net/911.htm

viking

[Rocky_Shorz]

...

I met a scientist ... English lady working as electromagnetic something research. And she stopped me by saying i wont waste my time for something fake. o.O

I tried to talk about ETs and zero point energy and she almost got mad at me for saying stupid things. For her we have discovered everything in the universe and all we can discover now is better more sophisticated ways to use anything. So if the scientists think we are done ... i fear for humanity. BtW she told me that ETs exist but we will never make contact cause of distance and of an electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O.



so she was upset when you brought up ETs and free energy, but then went on to say ETs are cool to talk about...

that alone says two things without knowing her except that she is an expert in magnetics.

she knows...
she can't tell...

that is why she is angry...

the real question is, why is she afraid to admit the world can be powered by magnets without fuel?

[NancyV]

Nick Pope may very likely believe much of what he's saying. Even in the alternative communities there are many people with really bizarre beliefs and when you've gone so far as to BELIEVE something it can often take a lot to shake that belief. My husband believes 9/11 was exactly what the government says it was and will not even look at any evidence or analyses that refute it and make it absolutely certain that there were explosives planted and either our government or some other agency had to have coordinated the whole thing. I finally researched it extensively and came to understand that it definitely is not what the government says it is. I'm certainly not positive who cooperated in doing it or why they did it, even though I'm familiar with all the theories, but I'm to a point where I think the simple act of BELIEVING something is what stops us from seeing all the possible alternatives.

Once we have a belief we tend to stop looking for anything that could change that belief and the power of belief is HUGE. So Nick Pope may be more convincing because he believes much of what he says. The psychology of belief is very complex and there are many people who will not even look at something that will change even their most simple of beliefs. More and more I catch myself when I am believing something... anything, simple or complex....and I deliberately remind myself that even when I am inclined to think something has some validity I must not believe in anything absolutely. If I believe something it will limit me. Of course there are times when "belief" can be a very powerful tool, for example when used in curses or blessings, both giving and receiving. Whenever I decide to believe something temporarily in order to accomplish a task (like when healing a disease) I always know that I am brainwashing myself into believing it. I can now drop a belief a lot more easily than I can acquire it.

The belief that Nick Pope is a disinfo agent would seem to be as counterproductive as the belief that he knows what he's talking about and tells the truth. Like most people he has a mind that is influenced from everything he has read, experienced and believed in his life. He is in a pattern that has been long established. We are very fortunate if we can let go of all beliefs and not just change one set of beliefs for another, which will be equally limiting. It's sort of like exchanging one addiction for another. Getting rid of addictions is the cure, not substituting one for another. Getting rid of beliefs is the "cure" for having incorrect or partially correct beliefs, not substituting one belief...such as: Nick Pope is a cool guy who tells the truth, for another belief: Nick Pope is a disinfo agent. He might even be both at the same time.

I now lean towards a simple philosophy:

1. Trust no one (it's the same as trusting everyone to do what they need to do)
2. Believe nothing (which is the same as believing anything is possible)
3. If I screw up... so what.

Nancy

[Daren]

Look every country has people like Nick Pope, We know our country has been closed down at least as long as I have been alive, may be it was people behind the Governments but it was no way jet fuel, it was a symbolic two pillars collapse of the old world.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi viking.....I'v seen the 9/11 conference vid before and his views as he has written them down are what you would expect from a loyal MOD man towing the authorative government line , which in itselfe is fine as I've said before,

The trouble is he has gone right to the top of the UFO truth / awakening community by basically not believing anything we do. I know the community is diverse, catering for all tastes at the table , but apart from his party piece on Rendlesham forest / Woodbridge incident , which is a rehash of previous info we could all present , What new informaton has he disclosed ? As he said himselfe hes not allowed to dislose anything classified ,or he really knows , so what use is he ?

Fine I'm not saying he can't go to conferences and enjoy himselfe ... But he has been allowed ,openly to go to the front of the que so to speak , with all of us waiting for one bit of classified info, and all we get is nothing, just a dampeningdown of our expectations........

Putting the kettle back on Steve..

[aranuk]

Yes snowbird its easy to forget sat here among likeminded people , that the vast majority of the worlds population either don't care or are ignorant of anything we are discussing here , and to be fair why should they , in one sence we are all individual creators and our destiny is in our own hands if we are brave enough to step out of the box and take it.

On the other hand the vast majority of us are trapped in our own societies and cultures, so as you say TPTB can frighten us into trapping ourselves , Religions and Governments setting the seal... I think & hope the answer is at hand and although I've never been a spiritual person ,

The last few years have guided me conciously to head towards a higher level , and although I've been interested in UFO's etc since I was a boy , The synchrinicities in recent years have changed me from thinking when we die we just get absorbed back into the planets electrical energy. To we are far bigger than we think and we are gods experiencing a physical existance as part of a greater conciousness......Try explaining that down the pub. cheers Steve..

:yes4: It makes me smile just thinking about Steve down at the pub trying to enlighten those around him about the subjects that we discuss on this forum.

Just the thought........ :pound:

I wish someone could tell me how to get quotes into nice wee boxes? I think us lot here at Avalon and other like-minded folk around the world indeed are a small percentage compared with the brainwashed masses, but I usually get a "road into" the p.sh men in the pub talk. I am usually patient and listen to all the crap. When I get the chance I put up a different point of view (excluding the mention of UFO's or et's) and surprisingly I often get others to agree with me, leaving the original brainwashed individual scratching his napper wondering. Be patient my friends is the secret I think. The TRUTH will out that's for sure.

Stan

PS I seem to have done it! Was someone here telepathing me instructions?

[Cidersomerset]

Nancy V ........... I agree Nick Pope probably does believe passionatly with what he is saying which is fine . The trouble is he has got on to the top table at conferences by basicaly telling us nothing ,

I personally find that ammusing and annoying at the same time...LOL........Steve

[the trojan]

I apologise to anyone on this forum from another country who actually believed that nick pope was an independent or reliable source of information of any kind.
he is/was/is a government employee.
Here in Great britain I have never ever considered him to be anything other than the governments mouthpiece.
maybe that is a way to look at what he says if you are interested in second guessing the gov.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

I remember when Nick pope first came on the scene and was poo pooing the whole UFO thing, towing the party line of 'the MOD has never had proof that UFO's are real and they don't pose a risk to National security'

Interesting how his views have done a complete 180 to now being a believer.
IMHO he realized people wouldn't pay him to come to UFO conferences and be a 'skeptic' and so hey presto he's a believer.
I have never had any time for the guy.
I believe the UFO desk he occupied was a bit of an inside joke at the MOD.

Hurritt

[Aurelius]

nick pope still has his hands tied. it's that simple nothing more.

ie. he is NOT a disinfo agent. just has his hands tired.

there is a video of a conference in the US floating around where colin andrews and nick pope are present. colin says something to the audience while he is up on stage while looking a nick .. where it was clear to me, if you looked and listened carefully, colin was TELLING you that nick has his hands tied.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

of an electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O.

That reminds of something i heard many years ago that went something like 'Mankind can never leave the Earth for outer space as he is bound to the Earth and will die if too far away from it'
Damn i wish i could remember where i heard that.

Hurritt

[myrm]

Gentlemen, ladies: EVERYTHING about our modern society IS A CONSPIRACY, we live within a FULLY CONTROLLED SLAVE SOCIETY where people die for exposing the truth ALL THE TIME. They are put away in mental wards, and jails, or exposed as supposed FRAUDS, or they are assassinated. Conspiracy means: A secret plan or agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal or subversive act. This is daily life in your country and mine.The world must be changed NOW or we will live in a newer still totalitarian world where a centralized government system and single party without opposition rules over political, economic, social, and cultural life of ALL THE WORLD'S PEOPLE. Where was the dis-info? Nick is boring and inarticulate, but he does have good sources and his friend Ted Gunderson is a great source for the truth.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Aurelius thats how this thread started , this morning we were on the Government crop circles video , which is still current and Colin Andrews made several references to Nick Pope misquoting him in the video , its worth a watch.....

[crosby]

For about a year now I started to have 'reservations' regarding N. Pope and R. Hoagland. Well, at least one of them was exposed...

Good research Jack! :thumb:

Much Love

what's your questions about r. hoagland? do you think he's sno-balling everyone too?
corson

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Myrm ...... Ted Gunnerson was Anthony J Hilders contact not Nick Popes . The dis- info is that he agrees 110% with the government version of 9/11. Which is fine if thats what he wants to believe .....The complete opposite to Anthony Hilders & Ted Gunnerson .....Steve

P.S. Yes your right he has great sources .... he just won't share them with us because he is

sworn to secrecy.... He would be a great 'Whistle Blower '.....But he won't 'Whistle ' LOL...

[Ecnal61]

thanks for posting the films jackovesk, i had not seen them but was in no way suprised by the unbelievable mr nick pope,i hope im not breaking any forum rules by saying this but iv ALWAYS felt that at best he is an out and out LIAR or at the very least a gullable fool. during the interveiw he looked nervous and knowing the strength of feeling within the exopolitical community he must of realised that he would be seriously p===ing a lot of people off,as far as im concerned he has no integrity at all and i wish scotty would just beam him up and away for good.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Ecnal61 fancy meeting you here ...LOL

[Ecnal61]

well well if its not cidersomerset aka spud, aha now that will confuse ur new friends!

[Cidersomerset]

Certainly will.... Mars To ' Millsy' ....Mars To 'Millsy' your up late ? Don't be Late for Work tommorrow and keep looking up for 'Them there Chemtrails Partner ' I'm not in Day off cheers...

[Ecnal61]

im with you jacqui D, well said, you can see what i think of nick pope on page 3.

[Ecnal61]

earth calling spud,another day off again,do you work anymore?

[Fred259]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

Absolutely Viking, just the 2 'You Tube' Videos...

Good luck with getting a response?

If you do make sure you inform us of his reply...

Jack

Done, we'll see!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nick-Pope/119675991444652

viking

His response here...
quote...
"This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:"

http://www.nickpope.net/911.htm

viking

You have some interesting friends Viking...


Nick Pope works for the rouge end of the SIS in UK, he says it's Muslims.

Annie Machon works for the rogue end of SIS in the UK she says inside job (ie American Government)

David Ray Griffin works for the rogue end of SIS in the UK he says it’s and inside job (ie American Government)

Who controls the rogue end of SIS?
The PTB / Elites

Who did 9/11?
The PTB / Elites

Why did they do it?
Because for thirty years previously the PTB / Elites were involved in monstrous crimes, which had been the subject of a nine year FBI investigation.

On 9th October 2001 the PTB were due in a New York Court room and a Judge. The FBI had the bastards by the balls.

All the evidence and court documents were contained in Buildings 6, 2 and 1 and the tax investigation conducted by the IRS in building 7.

The office of naval intelligence was hit and key individuals killed because of an investigation by the Navy into Cantor Fitzgerald in WTC 2, which involved the PTB using the US Navy to transport thousands of tons of Stolen Marcos Gold from the Philippines to Oregon and then to Switzerland.

Where is the Stolen Philippines Gold?
In vaults under the runway of Kloten Airport, Switzerland.

Where is the stolen US Gold?
In vaults under the runway of Zurich Airport, Switzerland.


Was 9/11 really about stolen Gold?
Yes. Its estimated the tonnage may be between110,000 to 250,000 tons together with fractionally created "thin air" gold..

Was this what the FBI had been investigating?
Yes.

So what did they do?
Destroyed the lot. Those were almost the identical words used by the FBI namely “ We lost the lot” (ie the evidence)

Where did the attack come from?
Canada

What language was used?
French

Who commanded the mission?
Canadian General Maurice Baril. (now retired)

General Baril also had control over all USAF aircraft assets in war game “Global Guardian” (Interesting name)

Who flew the command and control aircraft?
Col Russell Williams. “Royal” Canadian Air Force

(Canadians know more about this guy)

Where was he flying from?
RCAF Base Trenton.

Who owns Trenton?
Queen Elizabeth.

Where was the attack planned?
At PTB headquarters or The Corporation of London, and the Vatican.

Is America a rogue State?
Yes

Can America be saved?
Yes

What must be done?
Remove the rogue government.

How do we do that?
Remove at once “Kristine Marsey”.

This woman is responsible for the day to day running of the American Rogue Government, on instructions from London.

Replace at once 7,000 key members of the subverted “Senior Executive Service”.

Marsey set up the SES on instructions from President Carter to destroy America.

Why Kristine Marsey?
She is the brother of Field McConnell, ex US Navy and ex Captain Northwest Airlines.

Do you know Captain Field McConnell?
Yes.

Who are the most dangerous people in US?
Kristine Marsey & Hillary Clinton.

Who are the most dangerous people in the UK?
Julia Middleton CEO of the Marxist Subversive organisation Common Purpose.

Miriam Clegg wife of Nick Clegg deputy prime minister and a senior partner in DLA Piper a corrupt PTB controlled law firm.

Are Common Purpose in the UK and the SES in Washington linked?
Probably.

Why is it the most dangerous people in the US / UK are women?
Because the PTB infiltrated the women lib movement all those years ago and now key very intelligent women hold immense power and privilege?

How did they do this?
By establishing LBGT pride through people like Kristine Marsey and Janet Reno.

Is extortion and blackmail involved?
Yes of course.

What is sextortion?
Sex and Extortion.

How was the sextortion carried out.
Key people, lawyers, doctors, pilots like Col Russell Williams, Air traffic controllers, military staff and many many more were sextorted by pedophile, snuff and other unmentionable crimes.

These key people were invited over many years to the Willie Pickton Pig Farm, near Vancouver BC where a dance hall was established on the farm. Critically a film video and editing suite was also installed. Prostitutes and low life girls were rounded up from the lower east side and shipped into the farm for huge sex parties and gangbangs.

The key people frequented with the girls, before they were murdered. In his trial Willie Pikton was convicted for the murder of 45+ women, but many suggest the real figure was over 200.

The key people told wives and girlfriends, they were going to play golf (for example) and ended up high on drink and drugs with girls dancing around in bra and pants on the stage at the pig farm. This is the bit that’s hard to believe but its well known and reported on good authority that while these key people were being photographed, filmed and recorded; some bastard jumped from the side of the stage with a chainsaw, and cut the girl in two.

Thus the ptb were able to gain control of key people who carried out the 9/11 attack.

Do you have evidence of this?
Yes www.abeldanger.com

Who is Abel Danger?
Abel Danger are 5,000+ individuals around the world mainly from the aviation and related industries who are exposing the ptb as those responsible for the September 11 attacks and the destruction of democracies in the United States, Canada, Australia New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

Am I safe.
Yes.

Is Dan Hanley safe?
You bet, and having a ball with his new wife!


Do I need to be concerned?
Only the PTB need to be concerned.


Will the PTB fail?
Yes, the truth and goodness will always prevail even in an evil world.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I have many interesting friends Fred...and if I see they are not genuine 'truthers' I'll expose them...

That's a fine post by the way... Thank you...

Viking




Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

Perhaps this vid explains why!!! Hmmm shall I post this on his 'post page' to get some feedback?... :confused: ... ;)

viking

Absolutely Viking, just the 2 'You Tube' Videos...

Good luck with getting a response?

If you do make sure you inform us of his reply...

Jack

Done, we'll see!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nick-Pope/119675991444652

viking

His response here...
quote...
"This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:"

http://www.nickpope.net/911.htm

viking

You have some interesting friends Viking...


Nick Pope works for the rouge end of the SIS in UK, he says it's Muslims.

Annie Machon works for the rogue end of SIS in the UK she says inside job (ie American Government)

David Ray Griffin works for the rogue end of SIS in the UK he says it’s and inside job (ie American Government)

Who controls the rogue end of SIS?
The PTB / Elites

Who did 9/11?
The PTB / Elites

Why did they do it?
Because for thirty years previously the PTB / Elites were involved in monstrous crimes, which had been the subject of a nine year FBI investigation.

On 9th October 2001 the PTB were due in a New York Court room and a Judge. The FBI had the bastards by the balls.

All the evidence and court documents were contained in Buildings 6, 2 and 1 and the tax investigation conducted by the IRS in building 7.

The office of naval intelligence was hit and key individuals killed because of an investigation by the Navy into Cantor Fitzgerald in WTC 2, which involved the PTB using the US Navy to transport thousands of tons of Stolen Marcos Gold from the Philippines to Oregon and then to Switzerland.

Where is the Stolen Philippines Gold?
In vaults under the runway of Kloten Airport, Switzerland.

Where is the stolen US Gold?
In vaults under the runway of Zurich Airport, Switzerland.


Was 9/11 really about stolen Gold?
Yes. Its estimated the tonnage may be between110,000 to 250,000 tons together with fractionally created "thin air" gold..

Was this what the FBI had been investigating?
Yes.

So what did they do?
Destroyed the lot. Those were almost the identical words used by the FBI namely “ We lost the lot” (ie the evidence)

Where did the attack come from?
Canada

What language was used?
French

Who commanded the mission?
Canadian General Maurice Baril. (now retired)

General Baril also had control over all USAF aircraft assets in war game “Global Guardian” (Interesting name)

Who flew the command and control aircraft?
Col Russell Williams. “Royal” Canadian Air Force

(Canadians know more about this guy)

Where was he flying from?
RCAF Base Trenton.

Who owns Trenton?
Queen Elizabeth.

Where was the attack planned?
At PTB headquarters or The Corporation of London, and the Vatican.

Is America a rogue State?
Yes

Can America be saved?
Yes

What must be done?
Remove the rogue government.

How do we do that?
Remove at once “Kristine Marsey”.

This woman is responsible for the day to day running of the American Rogue Government, on instructions from London.

Replace at once 7,000 key members of the subverted “Senior Executive Service”.

Marsey set up the SES on instructions from President Carter to destroy America.

Why Kristine Marsey?
She is the brother of Field McConnell, ex US Navy and ex Captain Northwest Airlines.

Do you know Captain Field McConnell?
Yes.

Who are the most dangerous people in US?
Kristine Marsey & Hillary Clinton.

Who are the most dangerous people in the UK?
Julia Middleton CEO of the Marxist Subversive organisation Common Purpose.

Miriam Clegg wife of Nick Clegg deputy prime minister and a senior partner in DLA Piper a corrupt PTB controlled law firm.

Are Common Purpose in the UK and the SES in Washington linked?
Probably.

Why is it the most dangerous people in the US / UK are women?
Because the PTB infiltrated the women lib movement all those years ago and now key very intelligent women hold immense power and privilege?

How did they do this?
By establishing LBGT pride through people like Kristine Marsey and Janet Reno.

Is extortion and blackmail involved?
Yes of course.

What is sextortion?
Sex and Extortion.

How was the sextortion carried out.
Key people, lawyers, doctors, pilots like Col Russell Williams, Air traffic controllers, military staff and many many more were sextorted by pedophile, snuff and other unmentionable crimes.

These key people were invited over many years to the Willie Pickton Pig Farm, near Vancouver BC where a dance hall was established on the farm. Critically a film video and editing suite was also installed. Prostitutes and low life girls were rounded up from the lower east side and shipped into the farm for huge sex parties and gangbangs.

The key people frequented with the girls, before they were murdered. In his trail Willie Pikton was convicted for the murder of 45+ women, but many suggest the real figure was over 200.

The key people told their wives and girlfriends, they were going to play golf (for example) and ended up high on drink and drugs with girls dancing around in bra and pants on the stage at the pig farm. This is the bit that’s hard to believe but its well known and reported on good authority that while these key people were being photographed, filmed and recorded; some bastard jumped from the side of the stage with a chainsaw, and cut the girl in two.

Thus the ptb were able to gain control of key people who carried out the 9/11 attack.

Do you have evidence of this?
Yes www.abeldanger.com

Who is Abel Danger?
Abel Danger are 5,000+ individuals around the world mainly from the aviation and related industries who are exposing the ptb as those responsible for the September 11 attacks and the destruction of democracies in the United States, Canada, Australia New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

Am I safe.
Yes.

Is Dan Hanley safe?
You bet, and having a ball with his new wife!


Do I need to be concerned?
Only the PTB need to be concerned.


Will the PTB fail?
Yes, the truth and goodness will always prevail even in an evil world.

[truthseekerdan]

For about a year now I started to have 'reservations' regarding N. Pope and R. Hoagland. Well, at least one of them was exposed...

Good research Jack! :thumb:

Much Love

what's your questions about r. hoagland? do you think he's sno-balling everyone too?
corson

Don't know yet Corson, time will tell. He's claiming that Obama is a good guy, go figure...

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Fred259 .......Glad to see you 've got over this mornings little escapade ...... When you get your teeth into something your passionate about you certainly bite ......cheers Steve..

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Earth. I'm in the rest of the week you must be off tommorrow , with your back ? I don't think we are supposed to gossip on the thread.......I just read Nick Pope started off as a sceptic and

accidently found himselfe on this side of the fence..... Makes more sence....

[Lord Sidious]

everything nick pope says is a snow job... didn't he work for the spooks?

There is no such creature as an ''ex-spook'' as I found out once.

[PHARAOH]

Please post your evidence Fred259. Would love to review.

[Fred259]

Please post your evidence Fred259. Would love to review.
you have evidence of this?
Yes www.abeldanger.com

[Teakai]

ohhh, the steel didn't melt. It lost its integrity, which I guess means it disappeared completely. It all makes sense now.
Now, if only building 7's integrity loss could be explained.

Even though he seems like a great guy, I wonder how one can work for a governmental department for 20 odd years and still not realise the rot. Or is it a matter of the non thinking, compliant, yes men that get the promotions?

[aranuk]

Please post your evidence Fred259. Would love to review.
you have evidence of this?
Yes www.abeldanger.com
Fred259 I went to the above abeldanger.com site and there was proof of absolutely nuffin.

Stan

[Anchor]

So, dont tell them the truth. Ask them questions they cant answer except by way of the truth.

For example: Why did the towers collapse in freefall, from a collision and fire high up the building?

Why were all the steel girders that were recovered and removed illegally already the correct length for the flatbed trucks...

etc

[Lord Sidious]

So, dont tell them the truth. Ask them questions they cant answer except by way of the truth.

For example: Why did the towers collapse in freefall, from a collision and fire high up the building?

Why were all the steel girders that were recovered and removed illegally already the correct length for the flatbed trucks...

etc

He who asks the questions is in control of the conversation.

[_M_]

For about a year now I started to have 'reservations' regarding N. Pope and R. Hoagland. Well, at least one of them was exposed...

Good research Jack! :thumb:

Much Love

what's your questions about r. hoagland? do you think he's sno-balling everyone too?
corson

Don't know yet Corson, time will tell. He's claiming that Obama is a good guy, go figure...

My gut says that Hoagland is playing on the good team.

He seems to have some mysteries, but going from the constant online discrediting he gets (some of it rather nasty), plus the fact he's willing to change his mind when the data changes (which we all NEED to be able to do), I'm willing to put my money down on 'good team.'

But who is the good team?

He says he has sources, so I would not be surprised if there are different factions which 'hopefully' are on the side of the earth and humanity, which are happy to let him play. So, he could be a help to some on the inside, without even trying, and still be on the good team.

I'm not sure he is exactly calling Obama the 'good guy' at the moment - at the beginning of the 'OBAMA TRAIN TRACKS' I believe Hoagland saw him as being potentially good, and a chance for disclosure (which, when I think about it, is actually happening now) - but in terms of the ultimate agenda, I think he sees him as the face of another faction, whose intentions are just plain unknown...hoping for a positive outcome.

An optimist :)

Just my 2cents. ;)

[truthseekerdan]

My gut says that Hoagland is playing on the good team.

Let's hope so for now... ;)

[Carmody]

...

I met a scientist ... English lady working as electromagnetic something research. And she stopped me by saying i wont waste my time for something fake. o.O

I tried to talk about ETs and zero point energy and she almost got mad at me for saying stupid things. For her we have discovered everything in the universe and all we can discover now is better more sophisticated ways to use anything. So if the scientists think we are done ... i fear for humanity. BtW she told me that ETs exist but we will never make contact cause of distance and of an electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O.



so she was upset when you brought up ETs and free energy, but then went on to say ETs are cool to talk about...

that alone says two things without knowing her except that she is an expert in magnetics.

she knows...
she can't tell...

that is why she is angry...

the real question is, why is she afraid to admit the world can be powered by magnets without fuel?

The magnetic guys need to know one thing: that the power is not in the magnet. It is in the coil and it's interaction. The action is in the coil's field. Design using bifilar or similar field collapse shaping, in order to create a longitudinal wave collapse in the coil's total 4d space. The magnet is for creating the known field type in the coil. Since the fields are perpendicular to one another, this aids in pumping the coil system -with the magnet. The orientation and the design of the coil should reflect this.

Pure magnet systems can and usually do fail, as the magnets degauss. Scalar energy can and does break down radiation, so imagine what it can do to oriented field conditions in magnets. No small wonder they can degauss. We are speaking about resonant systems in excitation so such a pounding can bring about the magnet's end.

"....and of an electromagnetic molecular connection that breaks if you leave the solar system o.O."

There is something about the one thing she said that is interesting and there is some literature that speaks on this, but I can't remember where.

[ktlight]

I had sent Nick Pope footage of Orion and sounds like fireworks (it was not October or November) and the constellation was blinking on and off in sync with the rhythms. There was also footage of a figure of a man manifesting out of mists/clouds over a nearby rooftop. His only comment was 'so there appears to be a man manifesting', nothing about the sounds and constellation, and that I should send him my report and get into epistemology.

Needless to say, I did not send him my report.

[jackovesk]

Thanks Jacko ...Nicks on my facebook and I have written to him a couple of times but recieved vey little feedback...he doesn't like to commit himself on certain issues!!

His response here...quote...

"This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:"

viking

I just finished watching what Nick Pope had to say Re His Response: "This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:" in the...

Forum: Is there any truth to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-9cDigUN4

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKwimPhxfpQ

Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6PEXVoWdvk

Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zaussFmXQk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Part 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-gAXaFbRg

Part 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rVvKzzOuQc

Part 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mja8s9aXC6I

PS - This 'Weazle' of a man has the 'Gall' to use the above Forum to defend himself?

Now more than ever I am convinced you are a Govt. Shill with your 'Shifty Beedie LYING Eyes' (That Cry-Out - Please be Nice, I am only telling You what they Told - Me - To - Say!) and your blatant disregard of 'Factual Evidence'. You have 'Absolutely No Credibility Left' little Nicky-Boy!

Once a LIAR always a LIAR!

Once a SHILL always a SHILL!

[Cidersomerset]

Morning Jackovesk .......Could not agree with you more .......The ' Fox' has slyly & Stealthily wormed his way into the coup & its time for us ' cockerals/Hens ' to give him a good ' Pecking ' & in no particular order LOL....

Sorry ....Laughing at my own joke ' even though its not funny........Good start to the day.......Don't worry if you don't know what I'm on about, a little ' Wurzel' humour to set me up.....and I've not been on the 'Scrumpy'

Yes in the above debate he was on the sceptic panal and thats the best place for him .. It has concerned me for some time that none of the senior conference organisers/speakers have noticed his negative credentials,

Maybe some have been giving him the benifit of the doubt , to see if he comes up with some goods from his friends/contacts at the ministry.

A good example for my mind is when the MOD released the batch of documents concerning the Milton Torres case . I would have thought he would have come across that file already , and been using cases like that to give himselfe more credibility.
Hopefully some of our movers and shakers at the top of our field will start asking him to give more details of 'proper' X files when hes next on the ' rostrum'

At least we at 'ground roots level' have noticed Mr.Pope is not what he makes out to be!................P.S. Maybe the clues in his name ......He's working for the Vatican as a double agent....LOL

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting feedback from Nick ...or not! also a chap called Ozzie has come on the scene...and guess what he works foe NASA!! ho ho ...


Nick Pope This link sets out my views on 9/11 and explains how I arrived at these conclusions:

http://www.nickpope.net/911.htm.
17 hours ago · Like
Maureen Dean Found this interesting
16 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky Nick that is a very weak arguement...you seriously need to do some research on this...its a very big can of worms...soooo many unanswered question...if I spent an hour with you I'm afraid you would have to admit that the official story sucks!!...if you are a genuine truth seeker you would paint a different picture...you only need to ask! truth will prevail Nick.
13 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky
Ok...I knew you wouldn't reply to that...I don't want to go into too much detail Nick...I won't bother you again. But ask yourself why did the buildings fall at freefall speed?? This goes against the laws of pyhsics...how could the fuel melt steel and cause it to 'molten'? the temperature of fuel and what is needed to melt steel do not add up...building seven???...how can a building turn to dust just by a planes fuel??...and finally al quada do not exist!! they are a cia front used to manupulate certain events...again truth always wins.
12 hours ago · Like
Nick Pope Contrary to what some people seem to think, us government types don't really go into work every day and plot the murder of thousands of our own citizens! Real life isn't really like an episode of The X-Files :-)
12 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky
I am not talking about the x files...or what the government get up to...I am talking about 'truth' and justice! This is a very touchy subject as I am aware...but I do research before I open my mouth...and if you had done as much research about this particular event then you would be singing a different tune...unless of course you choose to ignore!...then thats fine...but dont debate something you know nothing about...mmm research 'thermite'
12 hours ago · Like
Nick Pope OK. Just try to remember that films like The Matrix may be great fun, but they're not really real :-)
12 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky Very clever Nick ... oldest trick in the book..'ridicule' ... try to remember not all that is presented by the TV media/papers is 'truth' ...its called 'control' ... ;-) ... soon to change...
12 hours ago · Like
Ozzie Ozman Hi Nick : As a student of human nature, I’ve noticed that pretentious condescending attitudes usually indicators someone who is trying to foster a lie on Folks for his gain, or some one who is trying to hide as lie for his defense...
11 hours ago · Like
Ozzie Ozman
Hi Nick : As a Student of Physics, the reason why high Skyscraper windows are sealed is that a high opening in a tower would turn the building into a mega chimney. With oxygen air rising in the and elevator shafts with such a blast due to the chimney effect, that even a small fire, high up in the building, fueled by low burn temperature kerosene, would turn those affected upper floors into a super hot Blast Furnace; capable of melting massive steel support columns in about two hours; especially columns not coated with Fire Code required cement as were the uncoated columns steel support columns of the WTC. Under such conditions these column would lose their ability to support tons of weight in about two hours. So remember if you are in a fire in a tall building, use the stairs, not the elevators. And do not waste time contemplating a NWO conspiracy behind the fire, but instead get out of the building fast.. for the risk is the building will come down in what Engineers call a “Pancake-Collapse.”
11 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky Hi Ozzie, cavalry? lol...I jest!...So how did the building fall at freefall speed? A pancake collapse would slow down significantly... and no fire in that scenario would cause molten steel...
11 hours ago · Like
Ozzie Ozman
Hi Eric, When they is burning in an inclosed area feed by subway source O2, yet heat can not escape temperatues easily builf up to over 3000 degress. The WTC rubble burned for weeks, feed by the Subway air. The heat came through the soles of heavy boots, burbed feet. Any thing hydrocarbon was tyrned to a white powder, steel to beeds; all kinds of chemicals released into the mix from plastics to ink toners etc.. I think it took over two weekd to put this underground blast fiurnace out. Much of the air posoning of crews happend then.
8 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky
Looks like the first response from you is not here Ozzie...so I'll respond here... yes the buildings do pick up speed when falling ar freefall...BUT you had mentioned a pancake collapse which would actually slow down the collapse!! this did'nt happen it collapsed at freefall speed..the only way this would happen is if the building were helped along the way, by way of explosions...exactly the same way as a controlled detonation ... otherwise is goes against physics...as a student of physics you should know this...
11 minutes ago · Like
Eric Janovsky
regarding your other post...the fire was actually cooling down as you can see in the many videos released by the media...the bellowing smoke is testament to the fire going out, as I am sufre you are aware if the fire is burning rampant then there is very little smoke...if the fire is gradually goint out the more smoke you will get...as for the smouldering of the fire after 2 weeks...that is attributable to 'Thermite' ... Ozzie this is all common knowledge within my circle and the information is spreading like wild fire...you can dampen the flames but you wont put the fire out...sorry about the pun...lol
2 minutes ago · Like

viking

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Viking.......It all makes sence now Nick thinks he's been speaking at SCI--FI conferences...........And he's been working for the ministry of 'Silly Walks' trying to lead us up a blind Alley........ LOL..

[ViralSpiral]

Nick Pope OK. Just try to remember that films like The Matrix may be great fun, but they're not really real :-)
12 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky Very clever Nick ... oldest trick in the book..'ridicule' ... try to remember not all that is presented by the TV media/papers is 'truth' ...its called 'control' ... ;-) ... soon to change...


Neo wakes from a nightmare

http://www.covershut.com/cd_covers/The-Matrix-Reloaded-2003-Cd-Cover-5561.jpg

[Fred259]

Please post your evidence Fred259. Would love to review.
you have evidence of this?
Yes www.abeldanger.com
Fred259 I went to the above abeldanger.com site and there was proof of absolutely nuffin.

Stan
My friend,,we have been working on this for very nearly ten years now, if you expect to go to a website and get all the answers in ten minutes then your going to be sadly disappointed.

This isn’t a restaurant where everything is laid out on the menu ready for your inspection, it’s a counter insurgency that's going on.

The public think the military protect the country and the population. By and large they do but a few core senior officers are working for the ptb.

Abel Danger e mail Stephen Harper daily, with information that Canadian troops in Afghanistan are being set up and killed by roadside IED’s. They do this so they can ship the drug’s back to Canada in the caskets. These are not nice people, you do understand that don’t you.

Also in Canada and also in Edinburgh so its getting a bit close now aranuk isn’t it. What you need to appreciate is that Cairn Energy PLC in those plush offices next to the Sheraton Hotel is a sham company operating in partnership with NM Rothschild.

Rothschild and Cairn have just swindled 8.3 billion from investors in the Cairn India deal. The deal was on the table for many months as baking dogs warned Indian investors. “Watch out the swindler Rothschild is about” With progress slow the dung beatle sends his poodle Dave Cameron to India to push the deal through with the Indianan Prime Minister Dr Singh. Its 100% fraud. Two Indians have just trousered the cash and passed half back to Cairn and Rothschild. This is old news.

This is new news. The same scoundrels are at it again here, now today! Having raised $9.3 billion from investors and little old ladies they now tell us they are drilling for oil at sea in the Canadian artic. It’s another scam, they know no oil exists. They hire the drill rig for one million / day for fifty days and then say Oh we hit engineering problems and “geotechnical issues” you understand, pay 50 million for the drill rig and trouser yet more cash. The little old ladies sipping tea in the Caledonian Hotel thinking they are on a winner have already lost out months ago. The money has gone.

Think about it, what are wee Cairn Energy (who?) from wee Bonnie Scotland doing drilling for oil at sea in and around the Artic northwest passage! This is without question one of the most inhospitable places on the planet, but no no away they go.

Aye us Jocks, see us guys we ken all aboout oil so we do, we’ve got ouuurr North Sea oil aye, and weve got ouuur Cairn Energy aye, Oh jings what abooout the bagpiper!

Where are the big boys Shell, BP, Exxon?

Greenpeace have been protesting. Ha….more crocodile tears, Rothschild controls Greenpeace doesn’t he, so guess what’s happened now? Plan B. Usefull idiots, who are actually genuine people but usefull idiots in Rothschild’s eyes have climbed up and set up a pod module under the drill deck on the rig preventing the operation from going ahead. This is exactly what they want. Watch for the investors meeting in the Savoy… it will be yes yes we went up to the Artic, and were about to drill when Greenpeace protesters attached themselves to the underside of the drill deck, so we’ve had to abandon for this year. Terribly sorry old folks, we know the oil is defiantly there, but can we have another 100,million please…

The sooner Bill Gemmell the CEO of Cairn Energy is in Barlinnie jail Glasgow the better.

Meanwhile Aranuk, the proof that you want is in the controlled media are telling you what a wonderful investment this is.

Given this is a sort of general dis information thread watch out for this…

Red Flag Red Flag…. DON’T give money to the Free Gaza Movement, its been infiltrated and infested by Zionists and the $100 you donate with all loving care and consideration leaves your bank account and goes electronically at the speed of light, that is180,000,000 meters per second right into the Jerusalem bank account of the very Zionists who are the problem in Gaza.

I promise, I swear on the bible, please believe me the money cannot travel faster, it’s scientifically impossible, they sit and watch on computer screens the cash flowing like the waters of the river Jordan from genuine well meaning people right into the bank accounts of these thugs.

[DoubleHelix]

Bill and Kerry once moderated a speaker panel in Barcelona with a guest list that included Nick Pope.

I'd like to ask if Bill and/or Kerry would like to chime in and offer an opinion on what they think of Nick Pope, seeing as they know him on a personal level!

If any Mod's would like to pass on my request, as Bill has not been very active on the forum as of late, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

[jackovesk]

Nick Pope OK. Just try to remember that films like The Matrix may be great fun, but they're not really real :-)
12 hours ago · Like
Eric Janovsky Very clever Nick ... oldest trick in the book..'ridicule' ... try to remember not all that is presented by the TV media/papers is 'truth' ...its called 'control' ... ;-) ... soon to change...

Neo wakes from a nightmare

http://www.covershut.com/cd_covers/The-Matrix-Reloaded-2003-Cd-Cover-5561.jpg

Hey Nick,

Can I suggest you go back to the M.O.D and do a 'Refresher Course' on Govt. Propaganda and How to Defend It!

Your 'Lame' pathetic arguments are as convincing as your twitchy little 'Beedie Lying Eyes'!

:neo:

[Cidersomerset]

Hi DoubleHelix.....................It would be interesting if they have had any personal conversations where he may have alluded to some of the exotic theories say something by Icke ,Lear ,Wilcock ,Dean, Basiago, Burshe etc.

I would be surpised if they have......but you never know....More likely just a courtious exchange of views.......saying nothing new...........If I'm wrong I 'm prepared to acknowledge it .....Cheers Steve.

[truthseekerdan]

Perhaps Nick was offered a place to stay inside a DUMB for his deceptive propaganda... :confused:

[Gridkeeper]

Good job. Now maybe people will stop listening to anything this man thinks he has to tell us.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill and Kerry once moderated a speaker panel in Barcelona with a guest list that included Nick Pope.

I'd like to ask if Bill and/or Kerry would like to chime in and offer an opinion on what they think of Nick Pope, seeing as they know him on a personal level!

If any Mod's would like to pass on my request, as Bill has not been very active on the forum as of late, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Kerry and I know Nick Pope just a little bit - we bump into him at conferences, and are on friendly terms. He used to work for the British Ministry of Defence in an admin role, and knows a little about the UFO scenario (but maybe not a lot).

I've not yet watched the YouTube videos posted on this thread, but just because someone believes the official view on 9/11, this doesn't mean they're an agent. It may just mean that they're not very good at analyzing data!

[ktlight]

It may just mean that they're not very good at analyzing data!

I absolutely agree that this is the case.

[jackovesk]

Bill and Kerry once moderated a speaker panel in Barcelona with a guest list that included Nick Pope.

I'd like to ask if Bill and/or Kerry would like to chime in and offer an opinion on what they think of Nick Pope, seeing as they know him on a personal level!

If any Mod's would like to pass on my request, as Bill has not been very active on the forum as of late, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Kerry and I know Nick Pope just a little bit - we bump into him at conferences, and are on friendly terms. He used to work for the British Ministry of Defence in an admin role, and knows a little about the UFO scenario (but maybe not a lot).

I've not yet watched the YouTube videos posted on this thread, but just because someone believes the official view on 9/11, this doesn't mean they're an agent. It may just mean that they're not very good at analyzing data!

I hear what your saying Bill,

But if he's not that good at analyzing data?

How did he get that type of job with the M.O.D in the 1st place?

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill.................That explains alot...I think when he came forward we had far to many expectations....Wow ! the head of UFO desk at the MOD .....Great ! New Dawn ! Everything Exposed !

Then out came ' Mr.Bean'....He had memmorised a few cases to get by and used his credentials to 'FLY ' First Class.....While the rest of us in economy class have probably read/watched more vids

than he seems to has done ........That does'nt matter if he knew nothing and wanted to join the cause, climb aboard the more merrier , because in the end we all want to 'ASSEND'.

The main bone of contention at the momment is......A . Is he a plant to infiltrate the community to muddy the waters with his negative views , reporting back to HQ......

B..... are we getting parranoid and he is just not as good a researcher/presenter as we have been used to.

C..... He is just earning a living as a independent journalist who judging by his numerous rollouts on variuos news outlets is really a skeptic ....suplementing his MOD pay/pension

Cheers Steve


PS ...Your right Jackovesk 21 years in admin , he should be a data proccessing expert !

[HaveBlue]

Nick pope went to work for the M.O.D straight from school. As a tea boy then promoted to paper shuffler from then on. I would almost bet he has never actually done a real days work in his life. It is possible he can sweep floors however.

A wolf in sheeps clothing? No just another sheep in sheeps clothing. One that has become aware that speakers fees on the UFO circuit ain't too shabby.

He has nothing to offer us apart from the 'official Govt view'. Since we are all well aware of that already he is of no value to us.
He really should've just said to Anthony Hilder 'I don't know about 911, I haven't studied all the data. Since he wants to come across as a know all about that when he clearly knows only what he has seen on the BBC we can safely disregard anything we have ever heard from this puppet.

What really does suprise me although it shouldn't, and that is sad, is just how many folks have ever taken the boy seriously at all. Everything he says is rehearsed, why is that not so obvious? when have you ever seen him actually put in any thought to a question asked? His replies are always the same tired lines instantly retorted back. In that typical offical tone that I find from nearly all police officers and other biobots. What else to call a person that does not think for itself.

[freespirit]

Nick Pope Dis-Info Agent - Exposed on 911 by Anthony J Hilder ..!

Veteran filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Cannot Believe his Ears when Nick Pope tries to convince him 911 wasn't an 'inside job' and takes the Official Govt. line that Al Qeada did it...and Shows how Mr Pope has bought into the Government Lie about 9/11 and the US/Coalition's subsequent involvement of the two wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some of you may have already seen this, but for the benefit of some of our newer members I was asked to start a thread on this subject...





PS - When you really 'Think About It', just what Real Value has Nick Pope EVER uncovered on any Subject for that matter i.e. Ufology, Govt. Secrecy, etc?

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?

Perhaps some of you Avalonian Researchers have uncovered even more Truths about this Shill?

How can this man be Ever be Trusted?

Nice one,that doesn't surprise me at all.Wouldn't surprise me again if he is looking to get back into civil service and he is putting some distance between himself and everything he has said and supported.

That's what a Snake does,forwards and backwards ready to slither back into safety when the heat is on.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Freespirit..............................I think we have all come to the conclusion he is still working for the MOD !

If he's not he is no ' free spirit ' He is still securely locked in 'Ministry Mode' IMHO.....

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Haveblue................Yes there doesn't seem much of ' Wolfe' about him ....lol ..... the other analogy , I likened him to.... sly old ' Fox ' is more apropriate as he is definately a ' Skeptic' in my view....

[steve_a]

Hi jackovesk,

I'm not too sure how this paints Nick Pope as a disinfo agent. He was just a grubby civil servant working in an archives department in the UK. It's like asking your local councilor about 9/11 and he'll tell you what he thinks.

I think the interviewer was not very wise in trying to interview Nick Pope about something he isn't privvy to and to suggest that because he worked for the UK government he must automatically know all the intricacies of 9/11 is ingenuous at best. He merely stated what he beleived to be true.

The problem with many conspiracy theory forums and meetings and the like is that much of the time the speakers lecture about something that they only know second hand information and try to become a specialist on such subject.

In the case of Pope, when he came to light, he was quite clear to say that he was a filing clerk. His insider knowledge would be restricted to the files he dealt with. Anything else about any other subject would be merely opinion and nobody is guilty about stating ones' opinion and shouldn't be named a disinfo agent fordoing so, especially if they were asked to give it, in which this case he was. He even made his excuses to get out of the place once he realised he would be steam rollered about something he had nothing to do with.

Best regards,

Steve


Nick Pope Dis-Info Agent - Exposed on 911 by Anthony J Hilder ..!

Veteran filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Cannot Believe his Ears when Nick Pope tries to convince him 911 wasn't an 'inside job' and takes the Official Govt. line that Al Qeada did it...and Shows how Mr Pope has bought into the Government Lie about 9/11 and the US/Coalition's subsequent involvement of the two wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some of you may have already seen this, but for the benefit of some of our newer members I was asked to start a thread on this subject...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNg9CC3hAc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MbiOYuLVc&feature=related

PS - When you really 'Think About It', just what Real Value has Nick Pope EVER uncovered on any Subject for that matter i.e. Ufology, Govt. Secrecy, etc?

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?

Perhaps some of you Avalonian Researchers have uncovered even more Truths about this Shill?

How can this man be Ever be Trusted?

[jackovesk]

Hi jackovesk,

I'm not too sure how this paints Nick Pope as a disinfo agent. He was just a grubby civil servant working in an archives department in the UK. It's like asking your local councilor about 9/11 and he'll tell you what he thinks.

I think the interviewer was not very wise in trying to interview Nick Pope about something he isn't privvy to and to suggest that because he worked for the UK government he must automatically know all the intricacies of 9/11 is ingenuous at best. He merely stated what he beleived to be true.

The problem with many conspiracy theory forums and meetings and the like is that much of the time the speakers lecture about something that they only know second hand information and try to become a specialist on such subject.

In the case of Pope, when he came to light, he was quite clear to say that he was a filing clerk. His insider knowledge would be restricted to the files he dealt with. Anything else about any other subject would be merely opinion and nobody is guilty about stating ones' opinion and shouldn't be named a disinfo agent fordoing so, especially if they were asked to give it, in which this case he was. He even made his excuses to get out of the place once he realised he would be steam rollered about something he had nothing to do with.

Best regards,

Steve


Nick Pope Dis-Info Agent - Exposed on 911 by Anthony J Hilder ..!

Veteran filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Cannot Believe his Ears when Nick Pope tries to convince him 911 wasn't an 'inside job' and takes the Official Govt. line that Al Qeada did it...and Shows how Mr Pope has bought into the Government Lie about 9/11 and the US/Coalition's subsequent involvement of the two wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some of you may have already seen this, but for the benefit of some of our newer members I was asked to start a thread on this subject...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNg9CC3hAc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MbiOYuLVc&feature=related

PS - When you really 'Think About It', just what Real Value has Nick Pope EVER uncovered on any Subject for that matter i.e. Ufology, Govt. Secrecy, etc?

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?

Perhaps some of you Avalonian Researchers have uncovered even more Truths about this Shill?

How can this man be Ever be Trusted?

Hi Steve,

I can see what you are trying say here, when referring to the Anthony J. Hilder interview.

...BUT

Would you repeat your same Analysis after watching all the videos on my previous Post #68???

Forum: Is there any truth to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Part 1 of 7 (Post #68)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-9cDigUN4

Where the Host of the 'above' Forum, Nigel Ferrari introduces Nick Pope as an Expert on 911 to a National Television Audience!

Nigel Ferrari Quote: "Now to discuss these issues an Expert Panel."

"To my right Nick Pope who Headed a number of Projects at the British Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006."


In the case of Pope, when he came to light, he was quite clear to say that he was a filing clerk. His insider knowledge would be restricted to the files he dealt with. Anything else about any other subject would be merely opinion and nobody is guilty about stating ones' opinion and shouldn't be named a disinfo agent fordoing so, especially if they were asked to give it, in which this case he was. He even made his excuses to get out of the place once he realised he would be steam rollered about something he had nothing to do with.

Steve, After watching the Forum:

Do you still stand by your following statement above?

That Nick Pope classifies himself as just a 'Filing Clerk with an Opinion' after being introduced on National TV as an Expert who Headed a number of Projects at the British Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006?

[steve_a]

Hi jackovesk,

I think you take UK television too seriously. :) A forum debate is exactly that, a debate. People are invited to the show to argue a point of view and based on what I saw, Nick Pope, who is not American, nor has worked within the government of the US, based his arguments on the 9/11 Report. Mission accomplished. He was invited, argued a case in a debate, got paid, went home to his wife and kids.

If he was trying to be patriotic,so be it. If he hadn't read all the facts, from both sides of the argument, I don't know, but he argued a case based his rationale on what he did. If that point of view is contrary to yours, that doesn't make him a disinfo agent, just as it wouldnt make you an enemy against the State because of what you believe to be the truth (he could even think of you being a disinfo agent!).

Disinfo agents are those who purport to know the exact truth, claim to be an insider, who are found out to be more than economical with the truth. Pope didn't show any of these traits in the Forum program.

Best regards,

Steve






Hi jackovesk,

I'm not too sure how this paints Nick Pope as a disinfo agent. He was just a grubby civil servant working in an archives department in the UK. It's like asking your local councilor about 9/11 and he'll tell you what he thinks.

I think the interviewer was not very wise in trying to interview Nick Pope about something he isn't privvy to and to suggest that because he worked for the UK government he must automatically know all the intricacies of 9/11 is ingenuous at best. He merely stated what he beleived to be true.

The problem with many conspiracy theory forums and meetings and the like is that much of the time the speakers lecture about something that they only know second hand information and try to become a specialist on such subject.

In the case of Pope, when he came to light, he was quite clear to say that he was a filing clerk. His insider knowledge would be restricted to the files he dealt with. Anything else about any other subject would be merely opinion and nobody is guilty about stating ones' opinion and shouldn't be named a disinfo agent fordoing so, especially if they were asked to give it, in which this case he was. He even made his excuses to get out of the place once he realised he would be steam rollered about something he had nothing to do with.

Best regards,

Steve


Nick Pope Dis-Info Agent - Exposed on 911 by Anthony J Hilder ..!

Veteran filmmaker Anthony J. Hilder, Cannot Believe his Ears when Nick Pope tries to convince him 911 wasn't an 'inside job' and takes the Official Govt. line that Al Qeada did it...and Shows how Mr Pope has bought into the Government Lie about 9/11 and the US/Coalition's subsequent involvement of the two wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some of you may have already seen this, but for the benefit of some of our newer members I was asked to start a thread on this subject...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VNg9CC3hAc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31MbiOYuLVc&feature=related

PS - When you really 'Think About It', just what Real Value has Nick Pope EVER uncovered on any Subject for that matter i.e. Ufology, Govt. Secrecy, etc?

Yet he seems to have earned himself at 'Seat at the Table' as an Expert on such subjects with 'Inside' knowledge of Govt. Secrecy?

Perhaps some of you Avalonian Researchers have uncovered even more Truths about this Shill?

How can this man be Ever be Trusted?

Hi Steve,

I can see what you are trying say here, when referring to the Anthony J. Hilder interview.

...BUT

Would you repeat your same Analysis after watching all the videos on my previous Post #68???

Forum: Is there any truth to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Part 1 of 7 (Post #68)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD-9cDigUN4

Where the Host of the 'above' Forum, Nigel Ferrari introduces Nick Pope as an Expert on 911 to a National Television Audience!

Nigel Ferrari Quote: "Now to discuss these issues an Expert Panel."

"To my right Nick Pope who Headed a number of Projects at the British Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006."


In the case of Pope, when he came to light, he was quite clear to say that he was a filing clerk. His insider knowledge would be restricted to the files he dealt with. Anything else about any other subject would be merely opinion and nobody is guilty about stating ones' opinion and shouldn't be named a disinfo agent fordoing so, especially if they were asked to give it, in which this case he was. He even made his excuses to get out of the place once he realised he would be steam rollered about something he had nothing to do with.

Steve, After watching the Forum:

Do you still stand by your following statement above?

That Nick Pope classifies himself as just a 'Filing Clerk with an Opinion' after being introduced on National TV as an Expert who Headed a number of Projects at the British Ministry of Defence from 1985 to 2006?

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Steve a..............Yes I hear what your saying 'Disinfo agent ' is a bit misleading and was put up inconjunction with the video for effect....The bigger moan I have is he is a 'No info agent ' put on all the top tables at conferences thus conning audiences he is an expert or why has he joined the circuit. I know it could be ego , money , fame a whole host of personal reasons and fair play to him.

And most of us here have seen through his act , but the wider public think he is an expert and he is muddying the waters in our field . Every news outlet has had him on as Ex Head of the UK MOD UFO desk ,thus automatically elevating him to the lay person an expert by default. I,ve seen many of his reports and they are all vague in fact you would have thought him a skeptic, which again is fine.

We are only pointing this out whether he is just a mild mannered clerk, who has jumped into the media for his five minutes of fame and just likes being paid to do conferences to subsidise his MOD pension , because our gullable seminar organisers just need personalities to attract more attention/ publicity to the cause. Again no harm done bigger fools us. The only thing we're trying to do here is point this out , as I have not come across it elsewhere , you may well have done. I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet just at different keys.

The opposite view is he is still an active employee of the MOD , actively spreading 'dis info' by making it obvious on news outlets that UFO does not mean 'alians ' and that we have not been visited...fair enough personal opinion.. The case he does recite on the rostrum Woodbridge /Rendelsham forrest comes straight out of one of his case files or off the web. He does not feel right to me . If he was a genuine researcher he would be telling us a very lot more. He has already told us he can't say more because he is still bound by The official secrecy act . Whether he reports back to HQ or not the point is something is not right IMHO.

Cheers Steve..P

[New Dawn]

Bill and Kerry once moderated a speaker panel in Barcelona with a guest list that included Nick Pope.

I'd like to ask if Bill and/or Kerry would like to chime in and offer an opinion on what they think of Nick Pope, seeing as they know him on a personal level!

If any Mod's would like to pass on my request, as Bill has not been very active on the forum as of late, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Kerry and I know Nick Pope just a little bit - we bump into him at conferences, and are on friendly terms. He used to work for the British Ministry of Defence in an admin role, and knows a little about the UFO scenario (but maybe not a lot).

I've not yet watched the YouTube videos posted on this thread, but just because someone believes the official view on 9/11, this doesn't mean they're an agent. It may just mean that they're not very good at analyzing data!

Safe to say he was in the wrong job then? You're quite right, but if instinct is anything to go by, mine told me not to trust him a very long time ago.

[Elstevano]

Thanks for posting. Anthony Hilder is new to me so I appreciate being let in on his work. I've always had this impression of Nick Pope, he's basically an honest guy who simply has never really been let in on the whole truth. Hey, if the President of the US doesn't have a "need to know" perhaps the same holds true for Nick Pope albeit inside the MOD. That's what my instincts say but, it does make one wonder.
Heading out to Hilder's site now to see what he's been up to. Looks interesting. - best