Travel Vaccinations

[Jetsam]

Hello,

I'm planning to go to India in October/November, and of course there are several recommendations for vaccinations...
Vaccinations for tetanus, polio, typhoid fever, hepatitis A & B.

Would you take them?
Are there people here who have ventured into exotic lands without vaccinations?

Share your experiences!

Thanks.

[siggy]

My wife & I had all the recommended shots when we went to India 6 years or so ago.
Ditto, for my daughter & her boyfriend when they went travelling through India & SE Asia last year.
We're all still here, alive & kicking! So far anyway :)

But, I know others have concerns about vaccinations and the role they (may) play in population control; so.....!?!?!

[Arrowwind]

If it were me I would avoid the tetanus and the Hep B which you will not contract there in my opinion.
I would travel with MMS and Grapefruit Seed Extract in case I got hep. A the most likely problem you could encounter usually acquired in resturants from workers who carry the disease....
along with Cholera which MMS should take care of also. If you are around cholera you will likely know as signs will be posted, if you can read them.

You could also encounter a number of other larger parasites which these will not deal with. In that case a daily dose of MMS of 6 drops will be your best defence. I suggest that you start this mms taking process before you go because really toxic people can't handle 6 drops. If you are well detoxed 6 drops is easy.

If it were me I would not take any of these vaccinations and you might do well to look up these diseases to see just how they are contracted to understand if you will need a vaccination or not and can make your own decision.

[phillipbbg]

A doctor friend of mine told me a long time ago that you only need a tetanus course ONCE in your life... he said the immunity is there and its all about money. I have lived and travelled in the far east, malaria is one to be aware of, but look at the area you are travelling to , do some homework. Also the countries you go to have very good medical knowledge.... to be honest I have been better looked after in so called third world countries than the western world.

Hope this helps....

[Jetsam]

Thank you for your reactions, they help.

I didn't think about mms, I will look into it, seeing that I never used it before (I almost never get sick).
The thing is, I'm very attuned to what my body can process (food wise), and in India, the food is completely different, and when the body is not used to that, I have the strange notion that there will be a 'breach' in my immune system.

I will do my homework! ;)

[Jonfen]

Drink your pee :D

[Siberia9]

I am amazed that anyone would take a vaccine. The people who own the vaccine company's have absolutely no interest in giving you a healthy life. Will you get the one with the cancer virus in it that kicks in when you get older(when the hormone levels drop) or will you get that special Hep B vaccine, you know the one they give free to homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Maybe some nice Sqauline and mercury is key to good health...NOT. They have been caught multiple times sterilizing people with that tetanus vaccine, only to say its an accident but when you read there own white papers they say thats exactly what they want to do. It is completely insane to put yourself in this position. I can tell you that no one will vaccinate my kids, EVER. I would react the same as if you came at them with a loaded gun, even at the cost of myself, I am not joking. BTW It seems to me and those like me that our kids never get sick while the vaccinated kids are always sick. I have used colloidal silver overseas a few times for stomach issues and would think that MMS would be good as well. If your going to take the middle of the road approach then I would recommend DR Tenpenney's stuff on the subject, at least you can here it from a DR and not a nut like me LOL. here is her site http://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx

[Siberia9]

Also I met a man that said while he was in India and South America he put two drops of liquid Iodine supplement in to his water to kill anything his gut was not used to and NEVER had the expected stomach problems even while drinking brown well water in small villages. If my memory is correct then the Sodium Chlorite portion in MMS is a govt approved water treatment product by it self, so MMS would seem to be the way to go. BTW you can buy it on ebay in powder form and mix it after your flight to make MMS.

[Agape]

Hello,

I'm planning to go to India in October/November, and of course there are several recommendations for vaccinations...
Vaccinations for tetanus, polio, typhoid fever, hepatitis A & B.

Would you take them?
Are there people here who have ventured into exotic lands without vaccinations?

Share your experiences!

Thanks.


Did you get polio and TBC vaccines as a kid ? I'm wondering.. If yes , they should basically cover your immunity for those 2 , there's still lots of polio in India, not to speak about TBC, you will see all those disabled people with twisted limbs on streets daily if you go there .

Tetanus vaccination is one shot to get shortly before the trip , I'd recommend that one . It's easy to contract if you fall down , break your skin, hit yourself unexpectedly in the bus or country , the chance is low but if you are not vaccinated, tetanic spasms are not something you dream of experiencing.

India is pretty rural unless you restrict your trip to safe hotels and cars and even there, you can't eliminate contact with local bacteria.

That's for the scarier part. I've spent for about 14 years in India , with breaks and did not have any extra special vaccinations ( except for tetanus and those that were pushed to me in childhood ) ...and no problems .

It seems to be that most of our 'western' populace is sort of over vaccinated at the moment. Some of the diseases were succesfully wiped out during past century in the more civilised parts of world,

but if you go there you will see that the same diseases still exist and how they look 'in natura' .


There's also lots of leprosy in India and so far they are able to stop progression of it in early stages but there is no vaccine yet .


General rule you will see among cultured Indians is to keep to the rules of hygiene even more carefully than at home, wash your hands often, wash all fruits and vegetables, don't eat from suspiciously looking coffee shops and restaurants, avoid street food in big cities , always drink from your own bottle etc.


Try to avoid falls and injuries . And pray to God often, it helps :pray: ;)

[ponda]

You should be ok without the shots depending on where it is you are going.If you are going right off the beaten track then you might need to take some extra precautions.Be careful around dogs and monkeys.You can get rabies if you get bitten but good doctors aren't far away and they can give you a rabies shot.Don't drink tap water.Stick to the bottled water.You can even clean your teeth with the bottled water.You could take some basic medical gear with you such as antiseptic powder,immodium,headache tabs etc.You could check on the web to see if there is any malaria prevalent in the places where you are going to.You can buy mosquito coils locally and burn them at dusk to keep the mozzies away if they are a nuisance.

Enjoy India:)

[karelia]

Most if not all polio cases in India nowadays can be traced to the vaccine itself, so I would definitely stay far, far away from any vaccinations. It's quite easy in India, as both homeopathy and ayurveda are very popular, and even if you get any stomach trouble etc, you'll likely find an easy cure wherever you are in the country. Eat local cooked food. The Indian cuisine is chock-full of spices that are very beneficial to your health (haldi, fenugreek, to name two). Stay away from salad leaves, since you don't know what kind of water they were washed in. Basically, use your common sense, and you'll do absolutely fine.

[ZAINA]

Hi I am married to a man from india .we travel out there at least 2 times a years and I often stay for 6 to 8 weeks ,and never took any Jabs .I was bitten many time's by the mosquito's and there was no problem..I had no problem with the food and avoided ice being added to my drink's ..I have been going there for over 10 year's now with out Jabs .Hope this helps ..

[Maia Gabrial]

Hey Jonfen,
As funny as that sounds, I read about this years ago about a woman who had been in such bad health most of her life and was always in the hospital. And then someone approached her recommending this. At first she balked at this. But when she became desperate, she tried it. It turned her health around. According to Bear Gryls (on Man vs Wild), he says that you have to drink it right away or it becomes toxic. I don't know....
Maia

[NancyV]

There are times when you must have a vaccination because it's required if you want to go to a particular country. On one of my trips to Peru many years ago they were requiring a yellow fever or smallpox vaccination (can't remember which one) because there was an active outbreak at that time. I didn't want to do it so I tried everything I could think of, even to getting a blank vaccination certificate and trying to forge it. This was pre-photoshop and almost pre-computer, so it wasn't as easy to forge things as it is now. The forgery didn't look very good so I dropped that idea. I also tried to claim a religious exemption but they wouldn't accept that. It came down to getting the shot or not going to Peru. This was a business trip and I needed to go, so I got the shot.

When I finally gave into it I deliberately created a belief that the shot would have no effect on me and I wouldn't even notice it. I think it's a lot healthier to deny it's power to harm you if you decide to go ahead and do it. My son never had a single shot or vaccination until he went into the Army and then got LOTS of them all at once. I told him ahead of time to decide that they would not affect him and while many of the soldiers who had shots at the same time got very sick, he did not get sick from them. Of course we don't know what the long term affects will be but it can only help to use your mental powers to minimize the effects by not dwelling upon the negative possibilities.

If you don't HAVE to get a vaccination or shot, you would be wise to not get it. If you do have to get it in order to take the trip, don't worry about it. Just do it and forget it. Don't give it any power over you.

Nancy

[midiberry]

My advice is read all the advice and then use your own discernment - your body knows exactly what it needs if you let it speak. I travel extensively in Africa where yellow fever certification is often still required and I agree with Nancy re just do it. I take homeopathic medication when visiting heavy malaria areas and colloidal silver with me for internal (infection) and external (wounds) use everywhere. Can't tolerate MMS myself but know many who swear by it, although I think it may now have been declared illegal in the USA.
I also experience symptoms as useful and important body signals - i once contracted e coli from California's rotten spinach - it's not just India and Africa where some brutal lurgies lurk :) - and then with reduced immune resistance caught bird flu in Zambia soon after.
I would not recommend either 'malady' as a chosen path but surviving the one helped clear some second chakra blockage and meditating through the other helped activate my 8th chakra... wishing you happy and healthy travels, Midi

[Franny]

I would travel with MMS and Grapefruit Seed Extract...

GSE seems to work with Giardia too.

A librarian in town had it for about 8 months after a trip to Nepal. She was on heavy antibiotics and could not get rid of it.

I told her about an article I had seen on GSE for giardia and how many trekkers to Nepal would carry extra bottles with them to sell to other trekkers for it. She gave the GSE a try and was able to clear it from her system in about 2-3 weeks. Her Dr was amazed and not quite convinced but willing to consider it.

It may not work for everything that ails you, but it worked for her giardia infection.

And of course, you must have MMS!

[Agape]

Most if not all polio cases in India nowadays can be traced to the vaccine itself, so I would definitely stay far, far away from any vaccinations

I think I care ( not dare in this case ..:o ) to disagree on that statement but my guess is that Karelia has never been in India and for casual visitor , acquiring polio from locals is highly improbable .

[karelia]

I think I care ( not dare in this case ..:o ) to disagree on that statement but my guess is that Karelia has never been in India and for casual visitor , acquiring polio from locals is highly improbable .

Fact is that the Third World countries had the oral polio dumped on them after the Western world finally got tired of finding polio cases caused by the oral polio vaccine. You can google that quite easily.

I've not been to India, but I have traveled extensively in Pakistan and other TW countries, and since Pakistan is right next to India, I would imagine the conditions there are similar.

[Siberia9]

The reason there is a division on this is because some of us do not agree with the germ theory that the PTB have given us to believe in. Once you have travelled that road you will not be taking ANY vaccines. However most people on this planet believe what they are taught by parents and the govt indoctrination centers(schools) etc. So I cant and wont tell others what to do, however I will not pretend that there is not another path should you choose to look for it. Nor am I able to articulate all the facts in some effort to make a case here for what I have found and have been taught. This particular area is harder than changing your religion as it is ingrained in our belief systems heavily to be germ phobic and to put faith in the witch drs in their white coats. But rest assured that the witch doctors will not be sacrificing my children to the Sun God nor will they be pumping them full of toxic chemicals that cause brain damage and shorter lifespans etc. I can only speak for myself and what I do.

[Agape]

Well. The sad fact of life is that before the vaccines were developed, you have had millions of people worldwide dying in epidemics for typhus, plague, cholera, small pox , black cough , TBC and so and so forth, the line is endless.

That you can't recall such times is only good. One day we won't be able to recall the use of vaccines either.

With our ancestors ( meaning those who survived the infection at one times ) we have acquired , built up certain immunity, the organism is intelligent and creates anti-bodies if it's meant to survive , of course.
Depending on strenght of your immunity system , nutrition, and other countless factors ..some of these formally killer diseases turned to be almost harmless for the current populace but it was not always the case .

In India, Africa, South America ..there are millions of kids who had never been vaccinated, that's for one so blaming vaccines for what you can see there ( and it's not a news of the century ..) does not make good sense ,
one important factor certainly is malnutrition and fragility of the organism that is then unable to fight infection.


Polio is most dangerous to children and young adults who don't have fully developed immunity system , and it's not easy to recognize in first stages when it can immitate a flu , later if it affects your limbs and you end up limping for the rest of life or can't use your hands or whatever, it's usually ..kind of too late .



I am aware how ridiculous I have to sound to this forum that is actually full of almost healthy individuals ( lets count me in for that sake alone ) who had been fed, overfed, pampered with vitamins, dosed by dangerous antibiotics and all sorts of late medical inventions ( and hate conventional medical system with things that are not feeling really human to either of us ) ...

but I'm afraid that plenty of these individuals live so well protected and cut off from the past of this planet that still continues its own life in huge territories with millions of bacteria that have not been given a name even ,

I'm not saying vaccines are the best option, or adequate option, but they had saved quite couple of lives already.



The vaccine itself can not kill you, the disease can. I'm not sure that all of the above can be counteracted with herbal medicines, I actually dearly wish it is the case .


Hygiene comes first in my opinion ...



:sleep:

[oceanz]

Hopefully one day there will be compulsory immunity testing done so there is no need to vaccinate against those diseases we have antibodies for passed down from previous generations.

[Siberia9]

It doesn't really matter if you use herbal or Western medicine as long as you are stuck in the box of traditional germ theory. Let me give you an example, if I told you that I ate raw chicken and raw eggs almost everyday for the last seven years what would you say? Yes, that would make me sick etc etc, that is because you still believe the lies that the PTB have given you. But guess what, I do eat a raw diet and have only been sick from cooked food overseas. Food that has had its natural bacteria mutated by antibiotics and vaccines etc. All the bacteria you are afraid of is naturally in your gut right now, and needed. All the viruses you are afraid of are produced by your own body to clean up its system. Unless you are injected with foreign viruses, that have been engineered to cause you health problems of course. Yes they are making them just to destroy you body and mind. BTW Most Illness is caused by the lack of minerals and raw fat, colds etc are your body cleaning itself and should be left to run its course. But you can not believe what I have said until you find out for yourself, and stop believing that the PTB love you and accept that the opposite is true. Its not half true or only apply to ETs, its all encompassing, everything they have told us is a lie, especially when it comes to your health. Actually this concept is easy for me because it was taught to me as a child. Even though I was only on the fringe of what you would call the PTB, It was required that we were taught how they enslaved the people etc etc, less we fall for the same mind control traps etc. So again it is your choice to seek the truth or have a Coke and a smile while getting those sexy vaccines because the govt loves you. Or you can take a different path, I am only pointing to a road you may not have seen. Now I hope that my example does not derail this thread into one about diet and the benefits of being a vegetarian, that was not my intent.

[Houman]

Do you really want to inject aluminum hydroxide into your bloodstream?

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/shaw.pdf

Aluminum adjuvant linked to Gulf War illness induces motor neuron death in mice.
Petrik MS, Wong MC, Tabata RC, Garry RF, Shaw CA.
Source

Department of Ophthalmology and Program in Neuroscience, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. mspetrik@interchange.ubc.ca
Abstract

Gulf War illness (GWI) affects a significant percentage of veterans of the 1991 conflict, but its origin remains unknown. Associated with some cases of GWI are increased incidences of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and other neurological disorders. Whereas many environmental factors have been linked to GWI, the role of the anthrax vaccine has come under increasing scrutiny. Among the vaccine's potentially toxic components are the adjuvants aluminum hydroxide and squalene. To examine whether these compounds might contribute to neuronal deficits associated with GWI, an animal model for examining the potential neurological impact of aluminum hydroxide, squalene, or aluminum hydroxide combined with squalene was developed. Young, male colony CD-1 mice were injected with the adjuvants at doses equivalent to those given to US military service personnel. All mice were subjected to a battery of motor and cognitive-behavioral tests over a 6-mo period postinjections. Following sacrifice, central nervous system tissues were examined using immunohistochemistry for evidence of inflammation and cell death. Behavioral testing showed motor deficits in the aluminum treatment group that expressed as a progressive decrease in strength measured by the wire-mesh hang test (final deficit at 24 wk; about 50%). Significant cognitive deficits in water-maze learning were observed in the combined aluminum and squalene group (4.3 errors per trial) compared with the controls (0.2 errors per trial) after 20 wk. Apoptotic neurons were identified in aluminum-injected animals that showed significantly increased activated caspase-3 labeling in lumbar spinal cord (255%) and primary motor cortex (192%) compared with the controls. Aluminum-treated groups also showed significant motor neuron loss (35%) and increased numbers of astrocytes (350%) in the lumbar spinal cord. The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants.


http://www.whale.to/vaccines/shaw.pdf

[Arrowwind]

Well. The sad fact of life is that before the vaccines were developed, you have had millions of people worldwide dying in epidemics for typhus, plague, cholera, small pox , black cough , TBC and so and so forth, the line is endless.

That you can't recall such times is only good. One day we won't be able to recall the use of vaccines either.



Well, there is no vaccine for plague, or cholera. There never was and likely never will be.
Polio is still present even in Mexico and I have had public health officials even chase me down the beach trying to get my kids vaccinated as it seemed we landed in a an area with a small local epidemic.

Im sure Jetsam has been vaccinted for polio so its a non issue. All people 95% anyway in western countries have been.

Tetnus I do not think is any more prevelent in India than any other country. One shot is suppose to provide lifetime immunity and likely Jetsam has already had it anyway.

Small pox, no body vaccinates for that any more, not since 1979, when the very last case was reported. It is one of the few vaccines that had a very high efficiency rating, along with the polio one. Boosters have not been required. Some people did die from the small pox vaccine in the 60's and the 70's. Although they did develop a less dangerous vaccine during that period still some did not do well with it. Most people born before 1979 in the USA have had this one and the scar on the shoulder to prove it.


as I said your biggest concern will be in picking up strange and unidentifiable parasites.. and thats where mms comes in. Take it daily.

also one thing to be aware of is that if you choose resturants where the locals of higher class eat you will do better. They know which resturants have the rep for making people sick and they will avoid them.

BTW, with GSE for giradia 5 drops with 5 drops of oregano oil in a capsule 3 to 4 x da will cure most of it but it may take up to 6 weeks. I have heard of people taking up to 50 drops of GSE a day will no ill effect. I personally prefer the GSE pills.

Now Tuberculosis is one disease that you could come in contact with in India. There is a vaccine for it... that is riddled with controversy. I am surprised that they do not recommend it. I have read one testimonial where mms cured a resistant TB case...

Contrary, I have seen vaccine kill people in the condition called gullian Barre syndrome. They end up dying of respiratory failure due to paralysis of the muscles. My mom got this syndrom from a swine flu vaccine in '76 and she became paralized in her legs, but she did recover. Others at that time died. Some are still in wheel chairs to this day.

Other people who do not die from vaccines sometimes end up with arthritis from it as I did, or ADD or ADHD or autism or seizure disorder. They are an assualt to the immune system and some people do not do very well... but in our culture this informaiton is severly repressed as this unlucky ones, they are considered the sacrificial lambs for the benefit of the masses... alas.

[karelia]

Those of you who still think there is any benefit whatsoever to vaccines, check out how many MDs have been completely discredited because they dared question the theory behind vaccines. It isn't just the fringe freaks, it isn't the parents of damaged children, it isn't independent journalists; you'll actually find actual experts in the field, who were systematically destroyed by questioning the sacred cow. Why do you think the government protects the vaccine manufacturers (yes, that means if a vaccine damages you, you can't even sue the manufacturer or doctor)? It isn't because they are so certain that vaccines work; no, it's quite the opposite actually. If everyone KNEW the truth about this sordid issue, there would be an instant revolution the kind of which earth has never seen.

By the way, the presence of antibodies means that the person has had contact with the virus or bacteria. It has nothing to do with immunity. Just like a virus won't kill you. Just like you don't get a cold from walking in the rain. /soapbox

[Thefrenzy1978]

When i went to Mongolia i did'nt have any im still alive and kicking

[Arrowwind]

Regarding the Gulf War syndrome.... that disease is a complicated matter. There were a number of things our military were subjected to over there aside from vaccines.... like radio active weaponry that it was reported that the men were sitting on... as well as Diet Coca Cola that was permitted to get very hot in the desert which converts Aspertame into Formaldehyde.... which aspertame does in the body anyway... but it seems that it is more dangerous for some reason when you drink it and its already converted...

anyway... just other stories I've heard about what went on over there... and of course some folks may have been exposed to multiple assaults...

Regarding the germ therory.... absolutely... the germ theory is absolute LIES... and if you read some of the works of the old time theoriest like Pasteur, Beauchamp, Bernard, etc... you start to see the power battle that was going on way back when all of this germ theory nonsense came about..... this issue I take to hand in this book Im working on.

Its all about Terrain... internal physiologic terrain. If the terrain is good there will be no disease. To have a good terrain you must have right diet, right flora, right mineralization and vitamins, right mental and spiritual state.

Its a balancing act that most people do not know how to do correctly... and these days much time and effort is spent by those who become aware of the medical assualt that has been done to them to find balance again.

that being said... I could never never eat raw chicken.... YUCK!..... but you go ahead an enjoy, those who are inclined.
But I will say that there are microbes out there that can take down even the strongest of us so beware...they might be hinding in that raw chicken gizzard.... as the food industry is creating more and more microbes that are totally foreign to human biology, to all planetary biology for that matter, and that are stealth and produce signficant toxins, as we are seeing in the recent e-coli outbreak.

[gord]

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