Starve the beast...

[Teakai]

This makes perfect sense - stop feeding the institutions. Stop buying into and paying into the system. Stop thinking that peaceful protests have any kind of effect. Starve the beast before it starves you:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ZAh6MzHco&feature=uploademail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ZAh6MzHco&feature=uploademail)
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ZAh6MzHco&feature=uploademail

[king anthony]

Stop thinking that peaceful protests have any kind of effect.

....yes (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17297-Ruby-Ridge-Waco-Texas-and-William-Cooper-What-Really-Happened&p=212740&viewfull=1#post212740)....

[9eagle9]

That's what I always say. Stop buying their crap. Cost me a bit more to buy locally from the little guy especially food, but they at least have the courtesy of not poisoning me and show their appreciation that way by selling actual real food.

[Lifesong]

Ok, well...I made it almost 3 minutes in. I don't disagree that we should all find ways to starve the beast, but the fear-based foundation of this video overspoke the message for me at "you'll be run over with a car".

JMO & only MO.

[DoubleHelix]

This makes perfect sense - stop feeding the institutions. Stop buying into and paying into the system. Stop thinking that peaceful protests have any kind of effect. Starve the beast before it starves you]

What a timely and terrific thread topic (one that's been on my mind recently) - much gratitude Teakai

One of the best promoters to such action is Max Igan, he reiterates the same message minus the fear based tone. And he doesn't stop there, he also suggests solutions through forming communities and getting off the grid, Once you detach from the system they lose there power and ultimately crumble.

This is the direction I see the alternative community heading in, I think we'll find more and more people starting to form ground crews and communities. Evidence of this is already apparent within Avalon as meet ups are starting to take shape, I believe this has a big potential and could cause a domino effect that echoes into the wider public. I fully support this movement :)

[Siberia9]

We have been hearing this from some pretty smart people, however something that is on the table that is kinda hard to put your finger on is this, the real elites are expecting this and want this. They print the money, they own the foreign banks and huge corporations. They want a total collapse and all the disasters that that they can add to it so they can rush in as our saviors etc, "Order Out Of Chaos". I am already doing what she said to do since August of 2008, I have dropped off of everything because I don't know what else to do, but rest assured it is going to go to pieces, as planned. So I have talked to some of the elites myself (my private jet flying cousins that I dislike strongly actually) to find out what they are doing, and they are set up quit nice south of the Equator in gated community's with stored food and silver and gold bricks. It is you that will suffer not them, just as planned. I think its important to see this coming clearly. People that you think are rich will get creamed as well but not the real elite, they have prepared, after all it is their play we are watching. So while I support the people standing up and saying no etc, it seems like a hollow victory. So the question is do you join the coming circus with guns blazing or do you hide out and hope no one sees you till its over? But for now I try to keep positive and hope some how the fluoride heads we have been talking to will wake up and Ron Paul will get voted in and we can put a stop to this insanity, but I dont think that is a time line we are in. Enter the ascension deal, now, 2012, later on, this is a wild card and frankly we will just have to wait and see how it will play out, because we really dont know what the affect will be, sure we can speculate but we really dont KNOW do we.

[loveandgratitude]

grow food people............grow food..................grow food..................

http://www.greenly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/vegetable-garden1.jpg

[DoubleHelix]

Grow food.
Produce electricity through Solar Power generators into Batterys.
Catch water via Rain Tanks.
Throw out your Tv's (stream sports online :P)
Work as a community.


Just to list a few.

[Teakai]

We have been hearing this from some pretty smart people, however something that is on the table that is kinda hard to put your finger on is this, the real elites are expecting this and want this. They print the money, they own the foreign banks and huge corporations. They want a total collapse and all the disasters that that they can add to it so they can rush in as our saviors etc, "Order Out Of Chaos". I am already doing what she said to do since August of 2008, I have dropped off of everything because I don't know what else to do, but rest assured it is going to go to pieces, as planned. So I have talked to some of the elites myself (my private jet flying cousins that I dislike strongly actually) to find out what they are doing, and they are set up quit nice south of the Equator in gated community's with stored food and silver and gold bricks. It is you that will suffer not them, just as planned. I think its important to see this coming clearly. People that you think are rich will get creamed as well but not the real elite, they have prepared, after all it is their play we are watching. So while I support the people standing up and saying no etc, it seems like a hollow victory. So the question is do you join the coming circus with guns blazing or do you hide out and hope no one sees you till its over? But for now I try to keep positive and hope some how the fluoride heads we have been talking to will wake up and Ron Paul will get voted in and we can put a stop to this insanity, but I dont think that is a time line we are in. Enter the ascension deal, now, 2012, later on, this is a wild card and frankly we will just have to wait and see how it will play out, because we really dont know what the affect will be, sure we can speculate but we really dont KNOW do we.

Hi Siberia - 'they' are going to collapse the system - their system. If we are building our own system and not relying on theirs then it minimises their power. They may not find the chaos they're hoping for.

[Teakai]

Ok, well...I made it almost 3 minutes in. I don't disagree that we should all find ways to starve the beast, but the fear-based foundation of this video overspoke the message for me at "you'll be run over with a car".

JMO & only MO.

Hi Lifesong - reality can be scary - if you allow it to be. The message in the video is a good one, a sensible one - the only one - save obliging ET's coming to save the day - or perhaps an ascension - or belated rapture. It's a shame that you would let fear close your mind to the message.
People are just not getting it.
Some people need to be told what is going to happen in order to get them to take it seriously and to make some moves to stop giving power to this entity. Because - and yes, this is going to sound scary if you're inclined to fear - but it's gonna get ugly if this goes the way of the 'ptb'.

[Hughe]

Throw out your Tv's (stream sports online :P)


That's the start of personal liberation.
Tv = slavery living.

The coming ascension is individual event, IMHO.

[Siberia9]

Well Teakai I agree, and that is what we are all doing and I guess we have no choice but to do that. However the majority of the population of this planet is NOT in ANY way self sufficient and will go completely bananas when its time and that is what we cannot control with backyard gardens etc. This you see is what chews on my nerves theses days, if it gets that bad and it may, many of us will be in serious trouble. Those of us that feel that it is about to hit the fan need to consider what we will do if not paying tax's and the protest dont work. I'm not trying to stir up fear, but we must try to prepare for some ugliness if we are to be of any help to others or ourselves. I love the theory that they will descend into chaos and we will ascend into our own deal but I like to have a plan B as well.

[Teakai]

Well Teakai I agree, and that is what we are all doing and I guess we have no choice but to do that. However the majority of the population of this planet is NOT in ANY way self sufficient and will go completely bananas when its time and that is what we cannot control with backyard gardens etc. This you see is what chews on my nerves theses days, if it gets that bad and it may, many of us will be in serious trouble. Those of us that feel that it is about to hit the fan need to consider what we will do if not paying tax's and the protest dont work. I'm not trying to stir up fear, but we must try to prepare for some ugliness if we are to be of any help to others or ourselves. I love the theory that they will descend into chaos and we will ascend into our own deal but I like to have a plan B as well.

I agree, Siberia. - just to say - I wasn't in any way disagreeing with anything you wrote. In fact, I fully agree with it all. Plan B's definitely good to have - and a plan c just in case :)

It seems to me that masses of people waking up is essential for plan A to be effective to begin with.

[Teakai]

grow food people............grow food..................grow food..................

http://www.greenly.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/vegetable-garden1.jpg

Is that yours Loveandgratitude?

[loveandgratitude]

I live in a rainforest and grow herbs, spinach and a few other things, I belong to a local community garden group. Community gardens are cropping up all over the shire I live in. A great way to partipate in community and sharing. You can start one in your local area. Find some land that belongs to council or even a private person and approach them for a lease, put an ad in the local paper, form a committee, ask for seeds to be donated from local growers and off you go. It is a great way of growing food, enough for everyone, sharing the time and energy is great.

THIS IS A PHOTO OF OUR COMMUNITY GARDEN

http://communitygarden.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mullumbimby-Community-Garden19.jpg

THE BEGINNING
http://www.permaculture.org.au/images/mullumbimby_community_garden_pano2-lg.jpg

NOW
http://mullumcommunitygarden.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dscn0902.jpg

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Truly inspirational, loveandgratitude.
I am seeing more and more of these posts/threads pop up.
(must be a message in there somewhere. ;) )
That really is a great start and the way forward in starving the beast!
Big thumbs up.

[ponda]

Teakai said:

they' are going to collapse the system - their system. If we are building our own system and not relying on theirs then it minimises their power. They may not find the chaos they're hoping for.


Yeah i agree Teakai.I was wondering if there are any websites that have relevant information on what people can do to break free from the 'system' ? It would be good if there was a multi language site that could give out ideas and help to everyone on what they can actually do regardless of where they live...be it urban,rural,geo location,inner city,poor etc.

There's a lot of easy to do basic stuff that anyone can do right now to lessen their dependance on the system.Growing your own food,recycling waste,recycling water,conserving energy,using local credit unions,using a bit less of everything and making as many other people aware of what can be done and that it makes a big difference.

cheers

[king anthony]

...Plan B's definitely good to have - and a plan c just in case...

A potential aid in "starving the beast" is to take away authority (if this be a concern), meaning to level the playing field. Example quote taken from the book "The One With No Face, My Story My Life";



"Another stand people may want or need to do is to fly the flag of their community, country or land upside down if there is tyranny, or if positive changes are being compromised. People need to understand that flying a flag upside down is not 'unpatriotic' if this is a concern, nor is it disrespectful to the land or people. It is the international distress signal, which voids the authority of the land it represents, and allows others to intervene, aid and take control. If and/or when there are no more flags to turn upside down, then the people will need to rely solely on themselves."

In brief, a flag of a town/city may be turned upside down, a state/province may fallow, a country and finally the world flags may be the final stand. This voids out all "laws" and takes away political authority - including that of police, thus no fear of being arrested although they may/will say they will. This has been done before; however, no one follows through.

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2008/12/20081208_flag.jpg

[thunder24]

http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/peteruhlendorfprotestflag.jpg

[toothpick]

Great thread Teakai.
Starve the beast, what a fantastic idea, makes you think thats for sure.
Nothing could be more pleasing than to give one secound of fear to these selfish, insideus, self appointed rulers of other people.
How dare they consider themselfs more important than any other person on our, repeat, our, planet.
Starving the beast backed up with a couple of contingentcy plans could sets these scumbags on their arse, sounds like music to my ears.
Fantastic community garden project, loveandgratitude.
I think that would be a fantastic plan for everybody no matter what.

toothpick

[viscountvlad]

I love the ideals behind this thread! Community living where everyone looks after the needs of everyone else. The actual video I have a few issues with.

The problem lies in the symbiotic relationship that the controlling groups have put in place. While we feed the beast with imaginary money (which only has value because everyone is willing to exchange it for stuff) it feeds us with hospitals for our sick, centrally heated houses to keep us warm, running water in every house etc. It is all very well for 30 of us like minded people to buy up a plot of land and grow our own food and live together in a community, rage against the machine and separate ourselves from society at large. What about everyone else?
What would happen if the world watched this you tube video and all stopped paying their mortgages/ debts/ taxes? We starve the beast and then what? the shops don't open, our cars run out of petrol, people in densely populated cities have no place to grow food enough to feed themselves let alone the thousands of people in their immediate community. 99% of the population have no idea about how to go about growing food or providing medical care for themselves, let alone anyone else.

In short if you bring down the monetary system with a swift revolutionary act, innocent people will suffer and die. This is thoughtless anarchy.

We at Avalon can spend time and devote thought to how a new society could work. It takes time for food to grow and more time to educate people in how to do it. We need to develop a structure for a new society on a theoretical basis. Begin to live our lives in a way which benefits those around us. Remove ourselves from a materialistic system and live for our communities while remaining a part of them. If more people do this, following by example, then the banks and parasitic organisations will melt away.
"Be the change you want to see in the world" To change the world you need to still be in it.

The banks and controllers value money if the only thing you can think of to harm them is pulling your money out, you are playing by their rules still, giving value to imaginary numbers whether they be in your account or theirs.
Live for money and believe in money and money remains. Someone will always end up with more and injustice will prevail.

Value should be given to things which are important! Love, friendship, community, but we cannot eat love nor drink community.

Evolution not revolution

the change starts here

Bit of a ramble I know and certainly didn't get down all I wanted to say but ho hum just a few if my thoughts

love to all


ps I love the pics of the community garden! Brilliant Idea.

[Peace of Mind]

Anything that gains your attention is being fed your energy. Pay it no mind and it will eventually die. This goes for everything. Even the elites know this. They are able to stay in power because we keep feeding them…whether it’s through our anguish, complaining or support. Keeping your focus on them and their agendas is all they need. Materialization comes from focus. Change your mind… change the world.

Peace

[king anthony]

...it feeds us with hospitals for our sick, centrally heated houses to keep us warm, running water in every house etc. It is all very well for 30 of us like minded people to buy up a plot of land and grow our own food and live together in a community, rage against the machine and separate ourselves from society at large.

What would happen if the world watched this you tube video and all stopped paying their mortgages/ debts/ taxes? We starve the beast and then what? the shops don't open, our cars run out of petrol, people in densely populated cities have no place to grow food enough to feed themselves let alone the thousands of people in their immediate community. 99% of the population have no idea about how to go about growing food or providing medical care for themselves, let alone anyone else.

In short if you bring down the monetary system with a swift revolutionary act, innocent people will suffer and die. This is thoughtless anarchy... We at Avalon can spend time and devote thought to how a new society could work.

The banks and controllers value money if the only thing you can think of to harm them is pulling your money out, you are playing by their rules still, giving value to imaginary numbers whether they be in your account or theirs.

Live for money and believe in money and money remains. Someone will always end up with more and injustice will prevail... Value should be given to things which are important! Love, friendship, community, but we cannot eat love nor drink community.

I say, such limits have been and why things are as they are - for if one cannot commit and see beyond what has been imposed, then where they are, they shall remain. There is no thirty here or there - only each where they are.

This is not about separation from each or the masses - for one or the some cannot be without the many or the most. For it is the needed of human nature that is and such is what each and the species have in hand and mind for the coming time.

Anarchy shall be until a new equilibrium is; to fear such is to remain where one stands. Thoughtless is to have only thought, discussion and "feel good"; while making judgment as armchair "quarter backs" - in safety.

I say, fear is from reliance, from that which has been given up - to serve that which has been imposed; to free oneself is not to rely but to accept responsibility, accountability and live without excuse.

I say, those who have limit contemplate your words, lest you speak and been seen for who you are.

[Teakai]

...Plan B's definitely good to have - and a plan c just in case...

A potential aid in "starving the beast" is to take away authority (if this be a concern), meaning to level the playing field. Example quote taken from the book "The One With No Face, My Story My Life";




"Another stand people may want or need to do is to fly the flag of their community, country or land upside down if there is tyranny, or if positive changes are being compromised. People need to understand that flying a flag upside down is not 'unpatriotic' if this is a concern, nor is it disrespectful to the land or people. It is the international distress signal, which voids the authority of the land it represents, and allows others to intervene, aid and take control. If and/or when there are no more flags to turn upside down, then the people will need to rely solely on themselves."


In brief, a flag of a town/city may be turned upside down, a state/province may fallow, a country and finally the world flags may be the final stand. This voids out all "laws" and takes away political authority - including that of police, thus no fear of being arrested although they may/will say they will. This has been done before; however, no one follows through.


Having had a think about this, K.A - it all makes sense and it would all be very well - if the elitists played by the rules. However, they are not going to let a little thing like the law stop them. So long as they can control us mentally, physically and spiritually they will - by whatever means. We know from evidence that is in front of our face that laws mean nothing to them - though we will be held to them certain enough.

This lower part isn't in regard to your post K.A - this is just general thinking:
We're in the front line. We need a strategy that is as effective as it can be. Removing 'their' power over us in all three ways mentioned above - mentally, physically and spiritually - sounds easy enough to say - but it's a big job and one that only we ourselves can bring about.

The thing that is still worrying a lot of people is judgment, fear for their lives, fear of the unknown, fear of stepping out of the crowd - fear of talking straight to people about what's going on for how they may be viewed.
We just gotta let go of the fear which is one of the reasons why letting go of ego illusion and its accompanying baggage is one of the first steps included with that of stepping back from the system, not buying into chain stores, maybe finding local manufacturers, cultivating in yourself a talent you love that can be both useful and barterable.

We just have to start. Some already have. Some are waiting for others to start - hoping things will change while they continue with the same behaviour. It won't happen. Be the change you want to see in the world has never been more applicable than now. Start today being the change - not just thinking about change.

But let go of ego - find your heart place (soul awareness) - and then you'll know the moves you need to make.

[Teakai]

http://www.flagsbay.com/flag/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/peteruhlendorfprotestflag.jpg

It's a good way to let others of like mind know that they are not alone - may be helpful in forming community.

[king anthony]

...if the elitists played by the rules. However, they are not going to let a little thing like the law stop them. So long as they can control us mentally, physically and spiritually they will - by whatever means. We know from evidence that is in front of our face that laws mean nothing to them - though we will be held to them certain enough.

I say, "they" "play" "their" "game" as it should be. These things are not for anyone to take away or change, lest those who try, and do, be thieves and vandals - leave to "them" what is "theirs".

Freedom and sovereignty is not to challenge in "their" arenas, learning "their" "rules" (law) and "game" - freedom and sovereignty is to dust one's feet from that path and walk another to be human.

[Lord Sidious]

Some members wanted me to post a pic of the aussie flag upside down.
That isn't my style, I prefer this.


http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/img/2006/ep29/tt.jpg

[ViralSpiral]

Oh dear...... keep a lookout for dark cars with tinted windows m'lord......

[Lord Sidious]

Oh dear...... keep a lookout for dark cars with tinted windows m'lord......

I hope I see them before they see me.
It takes a couple of seconds to drop your strides to moon em ya know. :p

[HURRITT ENYETO]

We have been hearing this from some pretty smart people, however something that is on the table that is kinda hard to put your finger on is this, the real elites are expecting this and want this. They print the money, they own the foreign banks and huge corporations. They want a total collapse and all the disasters that that they can add to it so they can rush in as our saviors etc, "Order Out Of Chaos". I am already doing what she said to do since August of 2008, I have dropped off of everything because I don't know what else to do, but rest assured it is going to go to pieces, as planned. So I have talked to some of the elites myself (my private jet flying cousins that I dislike strongly actually) to find out what they are doing, and they are set up quit nice south of the Equator in gated community's with stored food and silver and gold bricks. It is you that will suffer not them, just as planned. I think its important to see this coming clearly. People that you think are rich will get creamed as well but not the real elite, they have prepared, after all it is their play we are watching. So while I support the people standing up and saying no etc, it seems like a hollow victory. So the question is do you join the coming circus with guns blazing or do you hide out and hope no one sees you till its over? But for now I try to keep positive and hope some how the fluoride heads we have been talking to will wake up and Ron Paul will get voted in and we can put a stop to this insanity, but I dont think that is a time line we are in. Enter the ascension deal, now, 2012, later on, this is a wild card and frankly we will just have to wait and see how it will play out, because we really dont know what the affect will be, sure we can speculate but we really dont KNOW do we.

I wonder what these 'Elites' are going to do when, say, Mother Nature levels their gated communities and they find themselves among us mere mortals? Mother nature might level the playing field. What are they going to do......have machine gun turrets on every roof? and in the good ole USA even that wouldn't matter. IMHO having supplies and Gold and Silver just paints them as targets! And the ones retreating to their D.U.M.B's, well rather them than me.:croc:

They are called DUMB's for a reason! Oh the irony....:)
Hurritt

[ViralSpiral]

No, that will not do obstinance-nugget!

As some-on who starved, protesting against the English beast notably said: An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind. Mahatma

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/tongue.png