Dr. Karla Turner [Archive] - The Project Avalon Community Forum

Houman

22nd May 2011, 23:06

It would be nice to interview Barbara Bartolic and/or James Bartley at some point. If accurate the conclusions that they have reached are very dark. I don't think that they apply to all ET encounters (it is a huge universe out there after all and some of them are clearly waiting for us to take response-ability and grow up, some these are also MK Ulltra Milabs disguised as ET abductions) but they seem to suggest that one aspect of this phenomenon has its origin in the "lower astral" as described in http://www.reptilianagenda.com/exp/e112300a.shtml

(extracts from http://www.reptilianagenda.com/exp/e112300a.shtml)
"The fact is, most UFO encounters STRONGLY suggest that the beings involved ARE physical beings, yet at the same time they are CHANNELS for other supernatural forces that are seemingly possessing and controlling the physical hosts. These exterran-quanterran-subterran aliens might be referred to as techno-sorcerers. In other words -- although most would be appalled at even the thought of it -- it would seem that 'demons', if you will, have somehow managed to incarnate within a group of PHYSICAL beings to the point where they could have absolute control of these beings and in essence attain physical 'bodies' through which they could manipulate third dimensional material reality. This would involve the terrifying prospect that demons who have attained 'physical bodies' might in turn work to prepare more bodies for their discarnate comrades, so that these too could engage in technological-psychological-supernatural warfare against mankind and attack our physical-mental-spiritual natures simultaneously."

"they are in symbiotic relationship with astral parasites which use the reptilian bodies as 'hosts'. The astral parasites have absolutely no connection to the Creator or the Divine, who is the source of the essence of all life force/manna energy, and so they exist in an anti-life field/state and must steal life force second hand, much like a black hole or a sink hole or wallstreet or a cancer tumor vampirizes everything around them to feed their insatiable hunger... in so doing they grow ever larger and deformed, moreso than God or nature intended, and therefore 'require' ever more energy, which is usually stolen from the weak and defenseless."

"Quite often, hypnotic regression is used to uncover the events behind the "screen memory," and that is when a typical alien abduction surfaces. The most recent research in which I've been involved has turned up yet a second sort of screening process. If it turns out to be accurate, then thousands of abduction cases are in urgent need of re-examination. The typical scenario of undergoing the regressive hypnosis usually results in penetration of the initial blocked memories... from several recent cases, it is apparent that these recovered memories may well also be yet another screen, masking events that are much more reprehensible..."

The One

27th September 2011, 20:23

Filmed in 1993 the late Dr. Karla Turner, reseacher of UFO and military abductions, discusses her findings after years of personal experience and working closely with many abductees. Her conclusions, reported in her works "Taken" and "Masquerade of Angels," are some of the most important to hear in the world today, but she was threatened for her work and shorty thereafter died under strange circumstances.

Dr Karla Turner's books went out of print and she was forgotten and/or unknown by many in the UFO research community. Others with whom Dr. Turner worked are too afraid to speak publicly. Please take the time to review Dr. Turner's work; it is monumental, and of great import for the future of human freedom.

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Oouthere

27th September 2011, 21:50

I have her photo as my desktop for a couple of years, sort of a hero in my eyes.....wonderful work she has done.

Rich

Maia Gabrial

29th September 2011, 12:10

Xion,
Thank you for this video. It got me so curious as to what else she knew. I'm going to attempt to embed these:

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Such shocking information! For those on the forum that wished and hoped for an experience with aliens, they might want to reconsider because it may not turn out as they hope.... On the last video she tells you how you can fight these abductions. These aliens like to feed off of emotions like anger, but they don't like it when you turn it against THEM. You can actually visualize attacking them back and it will hurt them. I KNOW this for a fact.

When I lived in Sedona, I was visited and threatened by 4 grays. Sedona has a military underground base; which is no surprise. Everyone knows about it. And they do experiments on humans there, too. The one gray told me that they were going to throw me down there and they didn't care what happened to me. I went freaked out by visualizing every type of explosion I could. I even "blew up" their space crafts. Want to know something else about grays? They do show fear and expressions. At least, that's what I saw. Anyway, they left me in a hurry.

Now that I know that I can do this to protect myself, I'm going to use it whenever I'm threatened.... I'm an alpha, what can I say?
So, I'm really hoping that the people of Avalon will watch these vids, too. Knowledge IS power....
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Thanks again, xion. This is really worth it....

shadowstalker

24th December 2011, 19:00

Karla Turners videos are hard to come by and tend to be deleted by complaints of 3rd parties.

Right now I am downloading this one and putting it on dvd for preservation I have three other I am working on.

Here is my play list if you wish to do the same
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0AD99DBEDA0579C

If there are any others worth preserving plz lat me know...Thank you

Dr. Karla Turner and husband Elton "Casey" Turner discussing their experiences of abduction by unknown entities and surveillance by human military. Extremely rare and important. Dr. Turner, like several others researching this material, was soon diagnosed with a strange fast-acting cancer and died in January 1996. Her work is extremely important to know about and is rarely discussed by mainstream "ufologists."

2hrs 2min

http://youtu.be/AyxzWUfqe_o
http://youtu.be/AyxzWUfqe_o

Vitalux

17th March 2012, 17:03

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jKbOpTMmnNg

I thought this would be of interest to those that were ready or researching.

It helped me.

We all have been visited by the watchers

WhiteFeather

17th March 2012, 17:15

First time i heard of her, Will watch it later. Thanks.

DreamsInDigital

17th March 2012, 17:23

Another one to add to the list of UFO researchers murdered to keep the secrets.

shadowstalker

17th March 2012, 17:39

here is a play list for you guys

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0AD99DBEDA0579C

Ecnal61

17th March 2012, 18:03

Dr turner mentioned the book"masquerade of angels!,i have started to read it,when i have il report on it later,thanks vitalux for bringing Karla turner to my attention.

Delight

17th March 2012, 18:05

Maybe there is a way to induce cancer as a murder weapon but Karla Turner had a virulent form of breast cancer trated by surgery and later she petitioned for funds from the public to help with other treatment. To categorically state she was murdered is not what I would like to see placed into the "airwaves". The approach seen in this post is not a mature one in my opinion.

1. I would prefer that statements about others be consistent with "knowledge", not conjecture, hearsay and what could be just plain a lie.
2. I prefer to see cancer as a challenge one gives to oneself, based on historic experience with the possibility of using it consciously for one's "health" (death is not a lack of healing).

CdnSirian

17th March 2012, 18:10

I have read Dr. Turner's site on and off for a while - I did not know she had become ill. I'd prefer a different title to this thread, but I will look at the footage as soon as I have time. Thanks all above.

ThePythonicCow

17th March 2012, 19:09

For those who prefer to read, a Google search, such as for "Dr. Karla Turner abduction", turns up several possibilities, such as this one, which I just found to be a good read: Alien Abductions in the Gingerbread House (http://www.whale.to/b/turner17.html)

RunningDeer

17th March 2012, 19:31

Thank you, shadowstalker. The presentation is in six sections. Good for short attention span days. :crazy_pilot:

Hervé

17th March 2012, 20:02

A few PDFs of some of her writings:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/karlaturner_intothefringe.pdf

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/karlaturner_masqueradeofangels.pdf

http://karlaturner.org/books/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Taken%20-%20ocr.pdf

google or ixquick.com... whatever your favorite search engine, for PDFs.

CdnSirian

18th March 2012, 03:04

Wow. Pretty incredible. Thanks for posting!

NancyV

18th March 2012, 06:31

Thanks for posting all the info about Karla Turner! Wow, she is so logical and sane about her assessments of the new age movement and about those who believe what the ET's tell them, whether it is good or scary. It probably also applies to channeled info since we can be so easily fooled even when the energy feels awesome. As she says, why should we believe anything most of them say? We are flattered when told that we have a "special mission" or that we're unique, chosen... we want to believe that so it allows us to be more easily manipulated.

As far as most of them being benevolent, I've never trusted any other dimensional beings or ET's. I was impressed that she said showing them anger was very effective in getting them to stop what they were doing. I found that out on my own, probably because I am somewhat aggressive to anyone that seems to be manipulating me. We have lost a great speaker and researcher with Dr. Turner's death. It sounds to me like she may have been given cancer but of course we don't know that for sure.

Vitalux

18th March 2012, 10:31

It's good to see that members appreciated this thread.

witchy1

18th March 2012, 12:58

Thanks Vitalux I had not heard of her before and enjoyed the vid. The taking of souls is very much part of what is going on a Dulce and the reptons.

Sadly those who go there, do not come out. (see the Dulce thread with Mystery)

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EC1000

18th March 2012, 13:16

Kristin

18th March 2012, 21:31

Great info and terrific use of discernment on her part.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

The Lawnman

18th March 2012, 22:16

[Delight] I completely agree with your comments regarding claims made on this forum. There is often too much speculation and conjecture presented as facts. We all need to be vigilant and mindful of what is being presented as facts, when in reality its really conjecture or opinion. ;)

Corncrake

21st March 2012, 17:03

I think it is very interesting Karla Turner discusses layers of memories and abductees being seduced by feelings of love and well being. This clip of a missing time experience I found on Colin Andrew's website demonstrates exactly this. http://www.colinandrews.net/UFO.html One of the children states that he 'just wanted it to land and go away with it'. I have no idea if all extra terrestrials have a negative hidden agenda - and certainly want to believe some have our best interests in mind - but as far as one is able we must be vigilant.

Vitalux

21st March 2012, 17:24

Thank you so much Corncake

I watched the youtube video and I am have just reposted it again so that others might wish to view it too.

From what I have gathered from they study here, is that these events of alien abduction have a very high frequency of happening.
The difficult part to comprehend for most is that we are:

1. We are dealing with an entity that can completely take control of ones perception of reality and time while removing all memories of the event from the abductee.
2. The entities appear to be able to block or control our reality (perception) on massive a scale.
3. How does one try and understand an entity that is so highly technologically advanced that they appear to remain invisible to all our senses while they interact in our reality.

It is an interesting phenomenon to study, because there appears to be enough evidence to support that alien abduction is real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2XolibkHCNk

Maia Gabrial

21st March 2012, 17:27

I agree that she was a brave woman who brought alot of attention to the abduction phenomena. I did a thread on exactly this several months ago.... But worth repeating for the many NEW Avalonians!

Hervé

21st March 2012, 18:03

No real need for highly advanced technology, really:

Hypnosis and the subjects who are under such a control bring forth a wealth of implications when analysed thoroughly...

Some of you must have heard of, or read, the experiment of "The third man in the room"?

Here is one version taken from http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/timeline.htm:

There is a little known fact about hypnosis that is illustrated by the following story:
A subject was told under hypnosis that when he was awakened he would be unable to see a third man in the room who, it was suggested to him, would have become invisible. All the "proper" suggestions to make this "true" were given, such as "you will NOT see so- and-so" etc... When the subject was awakened, lo and behold! the suggestions did NOT work.

Why? Because they went against his belief system. He did NOT believe that a person could become invisible.

So, another trial was made. The subject was hypnotized again and was told that the third man was leaving the room... that he had been called away on urgent business, and the scene of him getting on his coat and hat was described... the door was opened and shut to provide "sound effects," and then the subject was brought out of the trance.

Guess what happened?

He was UNABLE TO SEE the Third Man.

Why? Because his perceptions were modified according to his beliefs. Certain "censors" in his brain were activated in a manner that was acceptable to his ego survival instincts.

The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego are established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe.

Anyway, to return to our story, the Third Man went about the room picking things up and setting them down and doing all sorts of things to test the subject's awareness of his presence, and the subject became utterly hysterical at this "anomalous" activity! He could see objects moving through the air, doors opening and closing, but he could NOT see the SOURCE because he did not believe that there was another man in the room.

So, what are the implications of this factor of human consciousness? (By the way, this is also the reason why most therapy to stop bad habits does not work - they attempt to operate against a "belief system" that is imprinted in the subconscious that this or that habit is essential to survival.)

One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access.

In the above story, the objective reality IS WHAT IT IS, whether it is truly objective, or only a consensus reality. In this story, there is clearly a big part of that reality that is inaccessable to the subject due to a perception censor which was activated by the suggestions of the hypnotist. That is to say, the subject has a strong belief, based upon his CHOICE as to who or what to believe - the hypnotist or his own, unfettered observations of reality. In this case, he has chosen to believe the hypnotist and not what he might be able to observe if he dispensed with the perception censor put in place by the hypnotist who activated his "belief center" - even if that activation was fraudulent.

And so it is with nearly all human beings: we believe the hypnotist - the "official culture" - and we are able, with preternatural cunning, to deny what is often right in front of our faces. And in the case of the hypnosis subject, he is entirely at the mercy of the "Invisible Man" because he chooses not to see him.

Thus... anyone can be hypnoptized, it's just a matter of contourning the individual's belief system.

Thus "magic" and all these supernatural phenomena... rendered unable to see who's doing it.

Thus "terrorism"... inquisition... crusades... Hashshashins... genocides... all for the "good cause" and with little justifications needed like "the commies are invading Panama/Guatemala/Honduras/Chile/etc..."

Thus abductees and their recounts of how an entire planet can be programmed... which I think is what efields, above, is talking about. If not, here is a reference about it: Programming of a Planet (http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip) (.zip file)... a simplified version of it being the one of the magician getting tired of chasing his flock of sheep around and ending up hypnotizing the whole lot... that it's good for them to keep together and be sheered and slaughtered and roasted and...

... and on, and on, and on...

Vitalux

21st March 2012, 19:35

I agree that she was a brave woman who brought alot of attention to the abduction phenomena. I did a thread on exactly this several months ago.... But worth repeating for the many NEW Avalonians!

Maia I would be most interested in reviewing the information in that old thread that you posted months ago.
If possible could you post the link here as well?
Plus I would be most interested in learning about your feedback on your study of Karla's experiences as well, as you would have a head start to understanding and having time to digest the facts.

Since reading Karla's books, and studying her interviews and lectures I tend to really have a different view of our ET associates.
When one starts to encounter information of old ladies being gang raped, and children being sexually abused in alien abductee encounters ( re: Masquerade of Angels), one really has to stop and re-evaluate what may be happening. It can all be rather confusing, and quite contradictory.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41cyRADFzwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Corncrake

21st March 2012, 23:01

I don't want to go too off topic but there have been several threads in the past on Derren Brown the British illusionist and hypnotist. There was a thread called <<Power of Hypnosis and Free Will>> amongst others. I don't want to repeat all that has been said before but if you are interested there are many episodes of his television programmes on you-tube that demonstrate the extraordinary feats that can be achieved under hypnotic suggestion. For example there was one programme demonstrating quite effectively that Robert Kennedy could have been killed by a mind controlled assassin but the one that really intrigued me was called the 'Invisible Man' where Derren Brown became invisible to the student in front of him. These cases demonstrate how susceptible most of us are to hypnotism and suggestion here on Earth so I am more than ready to believe what more advanced beings could be able to do to us. I am particularly interested in the subject as I have failed to be hypnotised by different therapists on three separate occasions.

Vitalux

21st March 2012, 23:27

For example there was one programme demonstrating quite effectively that Robert Kennedy could have been killed by a mind controlled assassin but the one that really intrigued me was called the 'Invisible Man' where Derren Brown became invisible to the student in front of him. These cases demonstrate how susceptible most of us are to hypnotism and suggestion here on Earth so I am more than ready to believe what more advanced beings could be able to do to us. I am particularly interested in the subject as I have failed to be hypnotised by different therapists on three separate occasions.

Thank you Corncrake, I definitely do appreciate your feedback and I will study more of the information about Derren Brown the British illusionist and hypnotist.
I actually have been on a long road of discovery, and started to analyze the subject of hypnotism about 2 years ago.
When I was younger (1980's) I use to go to clubs and watch illusionists and hypnotists perform for public entertainment and I was always fascinated and curious.:pop2:

There is no doubt whatsoever, that the general public is not aware as to the absolute power that hypnotism covers.
For example, for whatever reason, we seem to be built with a kind of " control access panel" to our reality and awareness.
It is odd that whoever, or whatever created our bodies, created this control mechanism.
Furthermore, the subconscious mind, appears to almost behave as a separate entity, dictating what our conscious mind is allowed to perceive or understand.:bump2:

Understanding this, allows one to further understand what information that Dr. Turner is conveying.

Based on an entity having such incredible control of our reality, then one has to wonder, where does reality begin, and where does it end. :alien:

How deep does this rabbit hole go?

EYES WIDE OPEN

28th August 2012, 12:50

I have only just read about her for the first time.
Its similar to the Phil Schneider scenario where he was murdered in the 90's too.
Here is her lecture.
(I found the most interesting parts begin just after the 1 hour mark.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKbOpTMmnNg&feature=related

Here is a short bio with her 3 books in PDF:

http://www.whale.to/b/turner_h.html

or her 3 books on scribd:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100295685/92253298-Into-the-Fringe-Taken-Masquerade-of-Angels-3-Banned-Books-by-Dr-Karla-Turner

Extract of biog:

Karla was widely respected in the UFO community for her research on alien abduction. A scholar and professional educator, she earned a Ph.D. in Old English studies and taught at the university level in Texas for more than ten years. But in 1988, she and her husband and son endured a shocking series of experiences and recollections that forced them to recognize that they were all abductees.

Karla's response was to drop her professional university career and turn her full attention to abduction research. Her first book, Into the Fringe (Berkley Books, 1992), told of her own experiences and those of her family. Her second book, Taken - Inside the Alien-Human Abduction Agenda (Kelt Works, 1994), profiled the abduction stories of eight women whose experiences included both "alien" and human intrusions, and both benign and negative elements, illustrating the profoundly complex nature of the abduction mystery. Her most recent book, Masquerade of Angels (Kelt Works, 1994), was co-written with psychic Ted Rice and recounts Ted's lifelong encounters with strange entities whose identity hovered in a shadowland between angelic and demonic. Karla was working on another book when she became ill in early 1995.

Here is more recent info regarding strange deaths of those that were associated with her:

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/about-dr-karla-turner

extract:

Turner's research associate Barbara Bartholic and Barbara's husband Bob were involved in a high-speed automobile collision in 2010. The news reported that the other vehicle was being driven by a carjacker who had just stolen it not long before, but somehow managed to flee the scene and disappear despite a reported impact speed of over 100 MPH. Bob died from his injuries shortly thereafter, and Barbara spent several weeks in the hospital.

Following her discharge, Barbara told me on the phone that she was certain that the accident had been deliberately engineered in order to punish her for having allowed me to visit her and Bob at their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma for three days in 2009 and view her private research materials. She also stated that when she was in the hospital, several acquaintances of hers visited her, speaking sympathetic phrases such as "how ARE you?" in a mocking tone.

MistahMojoRisin

28th August 2012, 13:36

I watched this months ago and found it interesting. I don't feel everything was spot on but if we take the examples of and stories associated with her interviews of abductees, we can learn a lot. The light being story was very interesting.
Great post!

Vitalux

28th August 2012, 13:50

bogeyman

28th August 2012, 14:20

There has been deaths surrounding Betty Andreasson Luca as well. To quote: "...and some months later my two sons died in an automobile accident." http://www.mysterious-america.net/interviewwithbet.html, it maybe more than just government or corporations, it could be darker elements involved.

Adi

28th August 2012, 15:21

Very interesting information indeed, thanks for posting this, I had only heard briefly about this.

Adi

EYES WIDE OPEN

28th August 2012, 19:14

Its new to me to. I am going to read her books.

wynderer

28th August 2012, 20:20

from the Project Camelot article about Karla Turner:

http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html

'What Turner perceived as the deceit and cruelty of the aliens – along with the total lack of reciprocity in their actions – made her into a human rights activist who insisted that we must stand up for ourselves and seize back our souls from this rapacious, non-human species (she speculated that the aliens had developed parallel to us, on this Earth, then become transdimensional). "To accept a spiritual explanation for the abduction process and the abducting entities," she told an interviewer for Contact Forum in May/June, 1995, "is foolhardy and potentially dangerous to our souls." To another interviewer she reiterated that, if we do not rouse ourselves, "we may come to the point where we cede the sovereignty of our souls. We should stand up for our souls. I think there is a possibility of finding out how to change the situation." '

this is why i keep on posting about my abductions & about abductees in general -- not because i want attention/approval/sympathy -- but because of the implications the abductions have for the future of Humanity

Arpheus

28th August 2012, 20:48

I read her first two books and they were both amazing to say the least gonna try and find the 3rd one i really want to finish it,when people like this get killed you know they were pissing someone of somewhere for trying to tell people things t they should know and for trying to open people's eyes and ears.I highly recommend reading her books ,its not for the fainted hearts tho some really nasty stuff in there especially on the second book.

wobbegong

28th August 2012, 23:03

Thanks Eyes Wide Open for this thread. I too found Karla's info quite recently, on the forum of alliesofhumanity.org . Definitely not for the faint hearted but a must for those who want to know what's truly going on. All the evidence that has been gathered by people like Karla Turner, or Phil Schneider and others (that IMO are true heroes), points to the fact that alien intervention is one if not the biggest threat that this planet is facing. One thing is to have to manage our big problems on earth, ourselves, and yes they are big, but a much worse thing is to be colonised by a race who is capable of doing those things (mentioned by KT) to humans. If we let that happen we are done for. There are websites/forums on the web (like Galactic Free Press) where a multitude of people advocates the coming of the "galactics" and THAT is a problem because if a large enough quorum of people give up the stewardship of our planet, then the invasion is on.

CurEus

29th August 2012, 07:04

Here is her last book Masquerade of Angels. I believe it is free domain now
http://www.whale.to/b/turner1.pdf
Here is her Book into the Fringe
http://www.whale.to/b/turner2.pdf

A collection interviews and other information
http://www.whale.to/b/turner_h.html

truth4me

29th August 2012, 11:26

Eyes wide opening.
Thank you for this post.
I too have studied Dr. Turner's writings and found them quite informative.
Perhaps the information she coveys helps us put a bit more of this puzzle together.
I know it certainly did for me.

One of the major points that I found fascinating was the discovery that alien beings seem to be able to completely control our conscience reality at any given time.
Therefore they can make us become under a deep spell of a hypnotic state.
If that is the case, each of us could very well have already had alien encounters and would fail to even know it.

Her book opens up new worlds.I believe your right! I think a lot of us have had alien encounters and they do a memory wipe of some type. It seems the real truth talkers such as Dr.Turner do get "took out". Think about it. You can listen to whistleblowers talk about Roswell or if there is life on Mars and such but when you start putting out information such as Dr.Turner or show proof like Phillip Schneider with his injuries he got from the alien fire fight even the sheeple will take notice. Speaking of Phillip Schneider I have never heard or seen on video his injury claims about the alien fire fight disputed. Yes, Dr.Kara Turner you might be gone in body but her spirit lives on with the great work she did and a true hero to all truth seekers...........

Bo Atkinson

29th August 2012, 12:07

My perspective of the the OP is to integrate the many experiencers and the many experiences, into to some sort of rationality.

How else will a person understand a public figure, if not by reference to many other figures?

What is rational? What are the ratios of the probabilities?

Can one's mind handle large lists and wait for contexts to form a larger, useful picture?

The relationship of the possibilities help align understanding of the larger comparrison of multiple realities. By such study, ultimately, some ability to deal with one's own experience are enhanced.

There are many books, interviews, web spaces addressing relatable experiences, by now. This year i've delved into many new ones for me and much appreciated Dr Karla Turner's contributions.

I've experienced a murder attempt on myself and survived the death blow literally (http://harmoniouspalette.com/CostFreeHVAC/HeadInjury-NaturalCure.html). I encourage others to build their consciousness, their reality, their responsibility which IMO helps to withstand attacks. Individual growth helps humanity prosper despite the broader attacks on human societies. The biggest 2012 contest is raising consciousness from the attacking collective invasion.

It seems that self-development of many assorted kinds is a threat to the enemies of humanity. It would seem that my efforts were annoying some entity. It seems that the attack-effort-on-me was costly to them-- As such attacks take efforts, no matter the level of tech used against us, used against Karla and used against so many other humans. If attacks were easier, we'd all be dead by now. The attacks seem to require some level of personally-accepted-automation, which humans have adopted. Perhaps even like the 'attachment' thing discussed elsewhere here on Avalon.

I believe that self-determination, in it's best human expression, is a soulful act of consciousness. I believe humans have a soulful potential available to develop. This has been targeted by collective-societies, at galactic levels. The collective societies have beat us in the applications of materialistic-technologies, (energy-beams, hypnotics, psychotronics, etc..). It concerns them that humans might somehow leap-frog over them through soulful-ability. It would be the heavily-materialistic-collective societies who feel threatened by soul-powers-- Soul powers which raise human consciousness to levels immune from materialistic-controlers.

It is somewhat of a competitively-played galactic-reality-- But there is a bigger picture, yet, methinks. The galactic level is still a relatively restricted level, in the domain of consciousness-reality. The human gift of soul potential can lead us considerably further. If we humans stand up and go there, by dedicated labors of mind and soul. If we seek and find our way. It is not an automatic response thing. It is not a bought-tech-gizmo. It is not a fetish or amulet. We might enjoy a widget now and then, but soul efforts extend way beyond those limitations. Automation is a materialist phenomena, which is championed by collectives. Collectives want uniform, robotic responses. Humans can develop a soul's ability to self-create-common-relities. Such that the dependence on automated realities are not trip-wires to our unwanted-demise.

Be the soul that you want.

Bill Ryan

29th August 2012, 14:16

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Her tribute on Project Camelot:

http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html

Star Wonder

29th August 2012, 18:43

This is a great all inclusive site:

http://www.karlaturner.org/mainpage-vidboxes/panel1.html

Do abductions still occur at the rate that they use to? I don't hear about them as often as I use to.

Ry.com

31st August 2012, 13:21

I agree it was brilliant

kaon

26th November 2012, 19:27

I had finished her book, Into The Fringe only a couple of weeks ago. Quite enlightening to say the least. At no time while reading the book did I ever get the sense that I was reading a book of fiction.

In case anyone else is interested in her books, you can access 3 of her books (at no cost) on jeffpolachek.com
http://www.jeffpolachek.com/kt-books

onawah

18th June 2013, 22:53

The UFO Masquerade: Dr. Karla Turner
discusses her latest findings relating to
her research of covert abductions of
human beings by alien beings and
human military personnel.

Dr. Karla Turner died of cancer on
January 10, 1996, just a few short
months after speaking at this UFO
conference and being threatened for
her work. She was just 48. Since then,
several other people involved in UFO
investigation have also experienced
threats followed by highly unusual
cancers. Several of her cases studies
are now dead. Like so many things in
life, that could just be a coincidence
of course.

Dr. Turner's books are all out of print;
in addition,"Taken" and "Masquerade"
are both very expensive to obtain on the
used market. They also happen to be two
of the most important books ever written
on the UFO abduction phenomenon.

Video (about 143 mins):

The UFO Masquerade: Dr. Karla Turner
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http://www.ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com/page/23530.html

Mike

19th June 2013, 01:20

i dismiss almost nothing, and acknowledge all possibilities...but when ufologists or alt media members get cancer after a disclosure or 2, i can't help but regard this seeming coincidence with doubt. i'm certain if these same presenters walked off the stage with the whooping cough or an itchy ass, unemployed middle-aged men still living in their mother's basement with too much time on their hands would still find reason to blame some nefarious source.

and if it's true, and if these alt media luminaries are being singled out for a slow and insidious death...why do the choices seem so arbitrary? and well...inefficent? i dunno: i mean, why dr turner and not david icke; he's much more of a household name and has done more exposing than anyone. why not Bill? if even a fraction of the alleged black ops technolgy reported to exist, exists, then surely that cancer ray can reach Ecuador, right? sorry Bill, don't mean to throw you under the bus but...oh no, duck! incoming!:)

look, if im the bad guy controlling this tech, i'd have jesse ventura picking his nose and eating it in public and richard dolan climbing the walls naked while whistling dixie from his frontal orifice. know what i mean? why the subtlety? why one or 2 relative unknowns in such a slow and plodding manner?

ok, now something relevant: (not really) this vid was awesome. well, at least the first 15 mins was - i'm still working on it. Nat, i have "taken" if you're interested. if you would like me to send it to you let me know, ok?

RunningDeer

19th June 2013, 01:24

Thanks, Onawah. I hadn't seen that particular vid of Dr. Turner. She was a courageous and articulate woman.

Rex

19th June 2013, 01:24

...updated post...

I originally wanted to say I have all 3 (not 2) books if anyone wanted me to look something up or scan.

But then I found this link with all 3 books in pdf form: http://www.jeffpolachek.com/kt-books

I ran into her a long time ago at a conference before I knew who she was and before she became well known. I hate to say it but she may have become more well known after she passed... She had an intense look in her eyes I'll never forget. I had on dark glasses that day and she might have thought I was one of those nefarious fellas.

I may have her talk from that conference on audio cassette (remember those?!) as I have a bunch from that conference, but I'm not sure, I have to go dig it out of my "collectibles" box.

Another1

19th June 2013, 02:30

If I recall, Ventura said he is too important to take out because then the public would know he is telling the truth and Mr. Icke mentioned that his level of conciousness prevents the bad guys from hurting him ...

Many lesser known folks in the background stirring the chit break away from what is considered acceptable in mainstream new agey/UFOey stuff ... maybe cancer is used to help build the fear in others like them, like a warning message since many people would likely prefer a bullet in back of head to slow death of cancer.

If anyone wants to laugh a few minutes at conjecture over UFOs, here's a fun episode from Deep Space 9 titled 'Little Green Men' that offers an alternative to the Roswell story. They wove in many predominent alternative site theories rather well actually.
Alternative explanation of Roswell incident:
http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/gorillavid.php?id=wnmo717lju98

lookbeyond

19th June 2013, 02:51

onawah

19th June 2013, 04:49

Thanks Chinaski. I'll pass on "Taken".
I just posted that because it looked like something that Avalonians would probably want to see, and it was one of the featured vids that "ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.com sent out recently.
I'm on their email list, and some of their stuff is either very current or classic and hard to find elsewhere,
If anyone wants to subscribe, go to
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/
or check out their Facebook page at
https://www.facebook.com/ForbiddenKnowledgeTV
As to various high profile whistleblowers being murdered in various ways by black ops, I think that's all been fairly well attested to by various folks, including the likes of Bob Dean, who is, consequently, fairly cautious about what he says and to whom.
TPTW reportedly use some kind of death ray to cause cancer (as with Steven Greer (who survived) and two of his colleagues (who didn't), among other techniques such as the less showy faked suicides and fatal car crashes.
As to who they choose and why, why some survive and some don't, I guess we would have to go further down some very deep rabbit holes to find all that out.
Certainly, the individual karma of each possible target would have something to do with whether they are actually targeted, and whether they survive.
Fortunately, not everything is under their control, and then the various factions don't agree about a lot of things, which must make it all very complicated.

i dismiss almost nothing, and acknowledge all possibilities...but when ufologists or alt media members get cancer after a disclosure or 2, i can't help but regard this seeming coincidence with doubt. i'm certain if these same presenters walked off the stage with the whooping cough or an itchy ass, unemployed middle-aged men still living in their mother's basement with too much time on their hands would still find reason to blame some nefarious source.

and if it's true, and if these alt media luminaries are being singled out for a slow and insidious death...why do the choices seem so arbitrary? and well...inefficent? i dunno: i mean, why dr turner and not david icke; he's much more of a household name and has done more exposing than anyone. why not Bill? if even a fraction of the alleged black ops technolgy reported to exist, exists, then surely that cancer ray can reach Ecuador, right? sorry Bill, don't mean to throw you under the bus but...oh no, duck! incoming!:)

look, if im the bad guy controlling this tech, i'd have jesse ventura picking his nose and eating it in public and richard dolan climbing the walls naked while whistling dixie from his frontal orifice. know what i mean? why the subtlety? why one or 2 relative unknowns in such a slow and plodding manner?

ok, now something relevant: (not really) this vid was awesome. well, at least the first 15 mins was - i'm still working on it. Nat, i have "taken" if you're interested. if you would like me to send it to you let me know, ok?

ResistETIntervention

19th June 2013, 08:54

It is unfortunate that the life of a researcher who came to a correct conclusion about the extraterrestrial beings and exposed the dark side of their agenda was terminated before its time.

Maia Gabrial

19th June 2013, 18:03

Dr. Turner was a great researcher. And IMO she really was murdered for what she shared. If not by the Greys, then whatever the cabal sent after her. We know that cancer can be inflicted on someone, as well as cured of it. She was murdered.

If I could have thanked her personally, I would have. It was one of her suggestions that have helped me free myself of the paralysis on several occasions. The most recent was about 7 days ago. Believe me that hostile thoughts directed at the Greys breaks their concentration and even has them running away from you.

onawah

20th June 2013, 04:32

I cut my last comments here rather short, as I got distracted.
I meant to add that I have read from various sources that because of the various factions within TPTB, an individual whistleblower might be a target for silencing by some, while a candidate for protection by others.
So whether a particular whistleblower survives or not may also in part come down to which faction is the strongest and/or most able to outwit the other.

As to various high profile whistleblowers being murdered in various ways by black ops, I think that's all been fairly well attested to by various folks, including the likes of Bob Dean, who is, consequently, fairly cautious about what he says and to whom.
TPTW reportedly use some kind of death ray to cause cancer (as with Steven Greer (who survived) and two of his colleagues (who didn't), among other techniques such as the less showy faked suicides and fatal car crashes.
As to who they choose and why, why some survive and some don't, I guess we would have to go further down some very deep rabbit holes to find all that out.
Certainly, the individual karma of each possible target would have something to do with whether they are actually targeted, and whether they survive.
Fortunately, not everything is under their (TPTB) control, and then the various factions don't agree about a lot of things, which must make it all very complicated.

Maia Gabrial

30th September 2013, 15:17

I decided to put this under Conspiracy Research because too many people just don't want to believe that MILAB/Alien Abductions are a real happening. That conspiracy surrounds it still as a way to keep it secret.

Recently, I found Dr. Karla Turner's book, "Taken" that had a most revealing part in it about the aliens' agenda. First, many people want to believe that most of our psychopaths are totally responsible for what is happening in our world. I don't believe that's true. In several of her cases, the abductees were admittedly told that the military they saw at bases were under complete aliens' control. So, it's not a far stretch to include other aspects of our lives, such as chemtrails, and poisoning our food and water....

Dr. Turner fervently prayed to understand what was really behind all of their alien abductions. Not long after, she was shown exactly what was behind most of it. This is an excerpt from her book, "Taken" starting at page 126:

On May 10, 1993, I may have gotten a partial answer to that prayer, although great caution is called for in assessing any contacts before accepting them at face value. This particular contact conformed exactly to other abductees' descriptions of the VRS dream and was the first of its kind I had experienced to such a degree.
I was in the middle of a normal dream when suddenly I was somehow removed from that dream and found myself sitting in a chair, in a darkened area, accompanied by entities I wasn't allowed to see. They spoke to me, clearly and frequently, throughout the event. I was facing a small stage area, which I now feel was more holographic than solidly three-dimensional even though at the time it looked quite realistic. My "hosts" told me I was to watch a scenario played out on the stage.

It began with a scene from Genesis, in which Esau returned home feeling so hungry he feared he would die. His younger brother Jacob was sitting there eating a bowl of pottage, and Esau begged him to share it. Jacob said he would give Esau the food, but only in exchange for Esau's birthright as the oldest son of Isaac. I heard Esau say, It won't do me any good to have the birthright if I die of starvation, so I'll agree to trade it for the food.

Then the scenario on stage changed to another part of the brothers' story. In this second scene, Isaac was very old and blind and knew that he was close to death. He called for Esau to be brought to him to receive the laying-on of hands that would confer the inheritance. Jacob wrapped an animal skin around his arm and presented it for his father's touch. Isaac felt the fur and believed it was the arm of his very hairy eldest son. So in his ignorance of this deception he conferred the blessing and gave Jacob that which rightfully belonged to Esau.

The play ended, and then it started right up again, playing out several more times as my hosts discussed its meaning with me. At various points they would stop the action, much as we pause a video tape, and would point out some specific detail and tell me what it meant, what it symbolized, and what the message was trying to convey.

They told me not to focus on the biblical aspect of the play, that their message had nothing to do with any actual Jacob and Esau, but that the story was designed to illustrate important information about what the aliens are doing to humans, both in the past and in the present. The hosts went through the play with me several times, pointing out details and saying things like, Okay? Let's try it again. Now watch closely. And the play would proceed.

After several repetitions, I suddenly "woke up" in my bed, amazed by what I'd just seen. I got out of bed for a while, trying to discern the nature of the event, whether dream-like or externally generated, and I also pondered on the meaning of the scenario. When I lay back down, as soon as I touched the pillow I was suddenly back in the chair, facing the stage, and my hosts said we would now resume. Once again the play began running, as did the explication offered by my abductors. And when they apparently were satisfied, the action ceased and the abductors gave me a clearly delineated summary of the things I was meant to perceive.

Esau, the older and hairier brother, they explained, represents the original human species on this planet. Jacob represents the altered product of alien genetic manipulations of that older species. The aliens produced this new variant and then used it to replace the original form.

In our current situation, the aliens are once again doing genetic alterations of our species and are once again trying to produce a variant which will be more useful for their purposes and which will supplant us. And again it will be attempted through deception, as Jacob deceived Isaac. This deception, I was told, is being carried out by the aliens through exploitation and manipulation of global events, including weather phenomenon, to make us believe that the planet is in imminent danger of cataclysm and destruction.

This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help, even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet. Like Esau in his hunger, we will say, "What good does it do us to keep our birthright if we're all going to be destroyed along with the planet? What have we got to lose if we accept alien help, even though that means accepting alien control? Better to survive under subjugation than not at all."
page 127
But my hosts stressed that this is all a deception, that our planet, without their intervention, is not in imminent danger. These terrible disasters we see-the flooding, hurricanes, and earthquakes-are sometimes being intensified by the very aliens who will then come in and offer to save us from "inevitable" destruction. We should not believe them, I was told emphatically. And we must not surrender our sovereignty to them, as that would mean we were truly lost forever.

There was another case in TAKEN that offered me a little hope that all is not lost for us. There are aliens who don't like what their own kind have been doing to us, so they've been doing whatever they could to thwart the agenda.

Folks, the picture that I've been getting has been quite an ugly one. The humans asleep are not aware of what's going on. What would they do if they knew? Some are disappearing. Some may have found themselves inside cylinder tubes, paralyzed and fully and helplessly conscious. Some are being experimented on. I've asked how could the military allow this? If they're mind controlled then it's understandable.

But there is hope, according to the Akashic Records. The Event is unstoppable, even though the aliens have been trying hard. They have until 2014 and then it's game over for them.

I'm trying my hardest to keep focused on what our world will be like when the aliens and all their collaborators are gone. We will have a beautiful world again. Better than a paradise, as I understand it. Their atrocities have been observed and recorded for all time in the Akashic Records. It's what has convicted them of their crimes. The only thing left to do is capture them and toss them into the Central Sun....

S-L

30th September 2013, 15:54

Thank you so much for posting this. It's very refreshing to read this viewpoint on Avalon. People seem to prefer to deal with reality as they would like it to be, rather than as it is.

The Allies of Humanity (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/) would most definitely agree with you on many of these points. I feel they provide the best analysis of what's happening. Here are a few relevant quotes:

"There is a reason that people cannot speak of these things in public because it has been discouraged in the social discourse. That foreign craft are flying in your skies is an undeniable reality, and yet people do not want to think of it. And if they do think of it, they want to think of it in a positive way—that something wonderful is happening, that you have visitors, and they are here to help you, to guide you and to prepare you to meet the difficult challenges emerging in the world today."

"Races from the Greater Community are already here, interfering in human affairs, seeking to establish themselves as centers of power and influence here, operating secretly behind the scenes, influencing people in positions of power, taking citizens against their will, functioning in ways that are highly dangerous and hazardous for the human family. Yet people go about life as if nothing is happening, consumed with their own needs, consumed with human conflict and corruption, consumed with the difficulties of life here in this one world, unaware and unconcerned about the presence of an Intervention here. And those few people who are aware of this presence are being persuaded to perceive it as beneficial, as benign and, in some cases, even representing salvation for the human family."

"The Intervention has studied human psychology and physiology and has devised a very potent form of persuasion. It has taken many people against their will and subjected them to cruel experiments and powerful forms of mind control. Many of these people now cannot think for themselves. Their minds have been overtaken. Their freedom has been taken from them. They are now like laboratory animals for the Intervention, used for reproductive purposes so the Intervention can create hybrid individuals to be in positions of power and influence in government, commerce and religion."

"The Intervention is creating a hybrid individual capable of advising and eventually leading the human family, an individual with no human allegiance whatsoever, an individual with no compassion, respect or empathy for humanity."

"The Greater Darkness in the world today is hidden. It is deceptive. It portrays itself as benign and beneficial. It encourages people to acquiesce to its presence and to share in its mission here. It is not a spiritual force. It is a physical force. It is not comprised of multi-dimensional beings. It is comprised of physical beings from the Universe who present themselves in such a way that people will think the 'visitors' are mystical, spiritual and have magical powers. The only powers they have are their technology and their ability to convince you through persuasion in the mental environment."

Kristin

30th September 2013, 23:31

Love Dr. Turner's work.

I would also suggest, "Masquerade of Angels" which is excellent and a great lesson in discernment.

http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Masquerade%20of%20Angels.pdf

We have a great number of Karla Turner's works that can be found on our search engine.

From the Heart,
Kristin

wobbegong

30th September 2013, 23:41

Thankyou Maia,
the following piece of the material you cited is very relevant to what has been going on:

...This is why they impress the idea of coming destruction upon so many abductees, telling then they will have tasks to perform at that time. They want us, as a race, to be so afraid of this upcoming destruction that when they show themselves openly and offer to save us in some way, we will be willing to take their help, even if it means giving up our birthright, so to speak, which is preeminence on this planet. Like Esau in his hunger, we will say, "What good does it do us to keep our birthright if we're all going to be destroyed along with the planet? What have we got to lose if we accept alien help, even though that means accepting alien control? Better to survive under subjugation than not at all."
What used to be very puzzling to me is the fact that some very credible people have been shown these Armageddon scenarios by their allegedly benevolent ET's. I can think of Miriam Delicado, for example. I remember her being unable to hold off her tears during a Camelot interview, when she was recalling the death and destruction she had been shown.
Today I am totally attuned to Karla Turner's statement above: that is part of the takeover plan.

ghostrider

1st October 2013, 01:54

It is my opinion , the whole little greys and abduction experiences that happen are all wrapped up in making the public afraid of ET ... then they need the government to protect them from evil ET ... the greys are a tool of the ptb , just part of the fear campaign ... secret government agencies are behind it ...

Bill Ryan

1st October 2013, 02:44

Recently, I found Dr. Karla Turner's book, "Taken" that had a most revealing part in it about the aliens' agenda.

Here it is: http://projectavalon.net/TAKEN_Karla_Turner.pdf

http://cd.pbsstatic.com/l/07/9907/9780964089907.jpg

Hazelfern

1st October 2013, 03:07

Rocky_Shorz

1st October 2013, 03:21

as a psychic, I sometimes see flashes of experiences from those around me, this spring I was helping Guru that was passing, I gave her a healing that got her back on her feet and she started sharing with me what she knew about Hinduism...

one day I had a flash of her back in college on a date, and her date started changing, she glanced over and passed out, he stopped the vehicle, got out and walked up to a hill with a staff...

she watched him walking back not remembering what she had seen as he climbed back in the car and told her where to start driving... He told her to stop, and she looked over and a horn was rising up from his head, she saw a saucer approaching and then blacked out, waking up 3 days later in her college dorm room...

when I started asking her question she suddenly went pale remembering several days later passing an "afterbirth" type thing, she never spoke of it to anyone...

the Man she went out with is now a famous author on ET visitations...

I think what happened was they used her to create a child, then returned her to her room...

we have heard some ET races are having problems creating babies, are they using gifted humans for breeding?

he was just another kid in college, and I have no doubt he wasn't the only one...

how many human abductions start as a date?

S-L

1st October 2013, 13:41

I think what happened was they used her to create a child, then returned her to her room...we have heard some ET races are having problems creating babies, are they using gifted humans for breeding? he was just another kid in college, and I have no doubt he wasn't the only one...

The argument that they are abducting people because they have problems breeding babies of their own cannot be correct. Why would they need human biology to replicate their own biology? If they did, you would think that millions of abductions would take place every year. The number is high but it's certainly not that high. This is probably something they tell their abductees in hopes of garnering their sympathies.

I'd like to offer a few alternative explanations, based on the Allies of Humanity (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/) material. These scenarios ring true to me:

They are breeding a human-alien hybrid. You have likely heard stories about such beings. They look just like humans, but have the mental powers and consciousness of the aliens. These hybrids are being placed in positions of power and influence, especially within corporations. They are "advisers" to the top echelon of human leadership. This is how the alien intervention will end up calling the shots here. It won't be through military conquest. It will be behind the scenes. These hybrids are a big part of that program. People are being abducted to further this end.
Human beings are considered a resource. The universe is vast and filled with tons of planets which hold many resources. The one thing that's very rare in the universe, however, is biological resources. Most of the planets out there are barren. These biological resources fetch a high price on the market as alien societies use them to create medicine or use them for their genetic engineering / collective breeding programs. Some human beings have been abducted and never returned. This is where they went. They were sold for parts.
To control us, they need to understand us. We can relate to this. Our scientists often conduct experiments on animals - life of lesser consciousness, so to speak. We are seen in this way. They are not visiting the earth on a school trip. They are here for their own purposes, part of which is to claim this world for themselves. They need human assistance for this. They need human cooperation. Many have been abducted for research purposes. The more they understand human nature, the better they can control us.

Rocky_Shorz

1st October 2013, 15:21

who knows why, I didn't even believe shift changers were anything more than a science fiction tale until I watched it...

a horn that grew up in the sky like an antennae to make contact and direct in the ships... totally nuts, but when I saw the abduction I realized it was more, she was noticed as a child as gifted so for those watching for it, she was an easy target.

but she had no recollection of it even though I saw it from her memory, I think I fed the image back to her when her eyes grew wide and she remembered and started talking about it.

she was kinda freaked once she put the pieces together...

sigma6

1st October 2013, 20:41

As far as I am concerned Conspiracy is the ONLY place where you will find out what is really going on... It is the anti-thesis of MSM.
People look to conspiracy to see where the "latest research" is I don't know why all these talking heads in politics and television jump all over it like Demons being exposed to garlic... conspiracy?

What two people sharing information behind our back? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
How can that be possible???? There is no such thing... Everybody is already educated and knowledgeable about everything... There are no such things as secrets, dishonest people, secret societies are really secret... oh noooooooooo!!! For you to even give these people the benefit of doubt, they just suckered you... (suckaaaah!!!) it's an emotional (thus creative) shutdown attack... by devious manipulators of ill intent...

Don't be sucked into believing their bogus "shame" tactics... that is hypocrisy at it's ultimate, pushing the absolute limits of their manipulation, psychological intimidation, and agenda, see through that and you enter into a world of free thinkers, where creativity flows unlimited... the beginning of every great SCANDAL exposed started by definition as a CONSPIRACY!!!!

update:
I should add, there is a commercial redemption interpretation in that I remember coming from Winston Shrout, not exactly what you said, but I do find that very compelling actually... I never did make sense of why someone would be so "hairy" that it strained the narrative of the story imo...

I agree definitely with the part about our sovereignty... That is exactly what was key to Winston's interpretation... the bowl of porridge is statutory commercial benefits and privileges... only in commerce would something so unfair and deplorable as trading your lifetime of sovereignty for a pittance be allowed, thus why the "Romans" have implemented it... there was more to it... but that is an amazing overlap right there...

and yet it is all an illusion because there IS NO WAY they can take away our SOVEREIGN INALIENABLE RIGHTS ... (hmm... in-alien-able)

...we can only fall asleep and forget to EXERCISE them... and when you wake up... they will still be there waiting for you to take them up again... (Excalibur)

Maia Gabrial

2nd October 2013, 15:48

Sigma6,
Maybe you should read Dr. Turner's other book: "Masquerade of Angels" about Ted Rice's experience with the aliens. He seemed to have had a charmed life until he discovered what was suppressed in his mind. Horrible stuff.... Rightfully, he was angry. I was so angry for him! And sadly, to this day, no one can locate him. But his story is interesting....

Not once have I ever read a case where negative aliens came into ppl's homes with permission; or get consent for experiments on a person's body, or the exchange of their REAL body for an inferior cloned piece of junk, . Ted Rice discovered all this and much more horrendous stuff - all this happened to him without consent. That means these negative aliens just don't give a crap about our sovereignty and free will. They take it all the time because they can. No one stops them. And I'm not even sure if a person emphatically saying NO to them, would make them comply....

All of these horrible things going on makes you wonder if they'd try this crap on their own worlds? Would they enter homes uninvited and unannounced there? Would they get away with committing the same atrocities on their own kind? I'm thinking that it's just as unacceptable on their worlds as it is here. But what can we do about it?

Dr. Turner said that the aliens don't like negative or hostile thoughts directed at them. I know this for fact because I've used it. I've broken free of the paralysis the've imposed on my body using my anger. But somehow they always persist and catch me unaware on other occasions.

The reason why I posted this thread is because I wanted people to see the PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION that David Icke pointed out being used on us by our own people. At least, I think they're our own people.... Maybe what we all need to do is stop and think before reacting to things happening to us. In that short moment, we will be able to think clearer and act rationally; which is NOT what any of them want from us. To Hell with what they want....

KiwiElf

3rd October 2013, 04:48

"Masquerade of Angels" here - direct link/PDF

http://www.whale.to/b/turner1.pdf

Also "Blue Planet Project"

http://www.ivantic.net/Ostale_knjiige/BluePlanetProject.pdf

This document is the alleged result of the actions of one or more scientists creating a covert, unauthorized notebook documenting their involvement with an Above Top Secret government program. Government publications and information obtained by the use of public tax monies cannot be subject to copyright. This document is released into the public domain for all citizens of the United States of America.

It is the focus of the first episode of "Unsealed Alien Files"

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=unsealed+alien+files+season+1+episode+1&oq=unsealed+alien+files+season+1&gs_l=youtube.1.2.0l5.70409.72416.0.74773.9.6.0.3.3.0.379.1217.1j2j2j1.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.3 6aT0dmwLsw

Click on the YouTube link for other episodes in the series

Bob

3rd January 2014, 04:08

"It's not "aliens." It's MKULTRA."

:bump:

http://www.jeffpolachek.com/www-karlaturner-org

Karla Turner Memorial
KarlaTurner.org

in light of the Mk-Ultra stuff coming back to the Forum, and Camelot's interview.. see: http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html

from - UFO Universe, Spring 1993. Aliens - Friends or Foes by Dr. Karla Turner:

(seems MK-Ultra could evoke the below too, with chemical, video, subliminals, other torture/reward programming - the points below, and it could come out "aliens" did it..)

--Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.

--Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us any number of guises and shapes.

--Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.

--Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

--Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.

--A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can't identify.

--Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.

--Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.

--Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.

--Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't co-operate with their alien captors.

--Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."

--Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.

--Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.

--Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over.

--Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.

she says: "Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interaction , we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?" ......Dr. Karla Turner."

http://projectcamelot.org/karla_turner.jpg

interesting quote from the Camelot Page -

"From beginning to end, Turner had been struck by how contradictory the stories of the aliens were. They would, she averred, say anything they wanted to attain their ends.

"As the abductees in Taken reported it, the aliens insisted variously that they had come to help us cope with upcoming ecological disaster, interbreed for our good and theirs, help us evolve, take our genetic material to revivify their dying race. Sometimes they claimed they had outright created us; other times, that they were genetically altering us for our own good.

"In one of the most moving accounts in the annals of alien abductions, Turner tells Ted Rice's story, in Masquerade of Angels, of how, as an 8-year-old boy, Rice found himself along with his much-beloved grandmother inside a UFO and surrounded by a variety of aliens, including a tall reptoid.

"The aliens brought out the grandmother's husband, who had been dead for six years, and insisted she have sex with him. Partway through the act, the grandfather metamorphosed into the tall reptoid. Now the reptoid demanded to have sex with Rice.

"The boy's grandmother refused to allow this, even though the aliens insisted she would be dead in two days if she did not renege. Two days later, the grandmother was indeed dead of a massive heart attack."

Kalamos

3rd January 2014, 04:54

..........

GoodETxSG

5th January 2014, 00:29

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I have been meaning to listen to this for a while, just haven't gotten to it. Bookmarking it.
TY...

Frenchy

14th July 2015, 08:18

Bill Ryan

16th May 2018, 21:32

:bump:

Hello, Everyone: besides bumping this valuable thread (for those who don't know: Karla Turner was a giant of a researcher, held in great respect by everyone), I'd like to post this contact message we received. Do please assist if you can.

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I am a researcher who worked with Lisa [Ragan] of Karla Turner's book "Taken." I recently discovered her obituary and wanted to know if you could post this in order to find out, possibly, how she died? I am somewhat dumbfounded (and very saddened) since the obit did not say she had been ill.

She was a milab and had endured tremendous hardship during her lifetime. This obit lists her death date as being in October, but she actually died the previous September (2013). Thank you for your assistance.

http://obits.tennessean.com/obituaries/tennessean/obituary.aspx?n=lisa-gabriella-ragan&pid=167296053

Bill Ryan

16th May 2018, 23:52

Hello, Everyone: besides bumping this valuable thread (for those who don't know: Karla Turner was a giant of a researcher, held in great respect by everyone), I'd like to post this contact message we received. Do please assist if you can.

~~~

I am a researcher who worked with Lisa [Ragan] of Karla Turner's book "Taken." I recently discovered her obituary and wanted to know if you could post this in order to find out, possibly, how she died? I am somewhat dumbfounded (and very saddened) since the obit did not say she had been ill.

She was a milab and had endured tremendous hardship during her lifetime. This obit lists her death date as being in October, but she actually died the previous September (2013). Thank you for your assistance.

http://obits.tennessean.com/obituaries/tennessean/obituary.aspx?n=lisa-gabriella-ragan&pid=167296053

A little more on the post above, asking for assistance or info. The book 'Taken' is here...

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Taken.pdf

... and Lisa's story is recounted in Chapter IV, beginning on p.29 of the PDF.

http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Karla%20Turner%20-%20Taken.pdf

Limor Wolf

17th May 2018, 16:11

Thank you Bill and the woman who notified us and issued the request

Karla Turner's research was ahead of its time and her exemplified knowledge and courage and her striving for the truth of our reality has benefited us all. I feel deep appreciation for those who followed her foot steps and acted according to their heart's content

A good person to ask about this may be James Bartley who was an associate of Karla when they both were proteges of Barbara Bartholic

His website is here - https://www.thecosmicswitchboard.com

James may remember or know about Lisa as he seems well connected and can be contacted under the contact details at this page

With blessings ~

Limor

Moemers

26th May 2024, 18:28

Bump because for some reason this woman has been heavy on my mind lately and this is the third or fourth time I've cycled through being heavily invested with this story

Hail Saint Karla!

DNA

27th May 2024, 00:27

Dr.Carla Turner,
I wonder if her death was entirely natural or was she doing to much of a good job?
Hurritt
Hi, sometimes I happen upon quite old threads !

As to her cancer being ' natural ', the government lies surrounding JFK's asassination, eventually revealed the links between Oswald and Judyth (who worked developing a cancer to kill within six days...) source Dr Mary's Monkey ( Hasslam)

No doubt since 1963, their ability to introduce a specific cancer, and to interfere with specific Organ frequencies, has advanced.

Try and search on YT for " Female Astronaut faints ", and note the definate displacement of her hair, in an enclosed theatre...

May goodness be your companion, along the narrow, but dark path to the light !
( Phillip Goppa 2015 ! )

Indeed!!!!

Dr. Karla Turner...
One of the absolute best researchers of her kind.
She changes everything when you take in her work.
The government black opps community absolutely assassinated using cancer, especially in the 90s.
I do believe Karla had mentioned that she had been warned via a milab abduction to cease and desist her work or be killed.

I have a thread titled S4 Informers that is based on the Wendell Stevens interview of Connor O'Brian. He states it was common practice he had learned to kill off those about to retire from S4 with this aggressive brain cancer of which he had.
Colonial Steve Wilson of S4 as well.

In 94 I had watched the only big HBO special Bill hicks had ever done. I wasn't surprised when he died soon after of an aggressive cancer.

Karla was absolutely assassinated.