A question to all you guys out there

[red_rose]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

[loveandgratitude]

Sorry I could not help myself.

7862

[PHARAOH]

NO..... :gossip:

[pickle]

Good day to you!
........................
So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

No.

.....but then I work in a sales office where most women behave just as badly (in the context I think you're talking about!) as men on a building site.

So, a building site with men that shout/whistle at women, and a sales office where women do exactly the same to the men :blink: Maybe it's not a sex thing? A way of behaviour that they think is 'right' for the environment they're in?

I'll ask the ladies if if they have trouble getting in touch with their devine male self ;-)


Peace,


Pickle

[Steven]

It is certainly harder. I talk for myself of course. I work with a group of men where old notion of being a 'real man' are still quite alive. It is part of the heritage from the past; 'Men are strong, courageous. They do not cry and defend their familly with fury.'

It becomes hard for a man, amongs other men, to let his tenderness, sweetness, love, and caring to be expressed. It becomes harder for a man to shut down one of his partner who act without respect for a woman who passes by. Especially in a group of men who work hard physically.

It is less present where men does not work hard physically, and even lesser in mixed group. But... It changes, and lately, I see it changing quite fast. Notion of respect and equality are making its way in our culture. But you can not slap from the back of your hand thousands of years of history and culture. Its a slow process.

Namaste, Steven

[red_rose]

Do you know from a female perspective, personally, I don't think there is anything scarier than a group of men together.

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

red_rose

[Seikou-Kishi]

Might a complimentary question be do women find it harder or easier to get in touch with their divine masculine in the presence of a man or men?

[red_rose]

Might a complimentary question be do women find it harder or easier to get in touch with their divine masculine in the presence of a man or men?

Bizarrely enough I find it easier to resonate with my divine masculine when I am in the company of women. I feel empowered. Like a warrior women leading a tribe.

I resonate more with my divine feminine when I am amongst men.

Confusing.

red_rose

[Seikou-Kishi]

That's really interesting, RR. It is such a wonderful answer :D. Maybe you feel a need to balance the energy? That sounds pretty good to me :-)

[New Dawn]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

Hi, great question. It certainly helps men get in touch with what you call their 'feminine' side if there's a woman to introduce them to new ways of thinking, feeling and being. I don't agree with the term feminine side though, that's what puts immature guys off, as they think they need to focus on their 'male macho' side, which is also an illusion.

There's just a 'better' way of being, and women find it easier to access. Women are definitely the key, but its to a door that a lot of men will even refuse to see.

Be patient with us - maybe women can take that into account and help us guys get there, probably by approaching in a manner that never suggest 'feminine' ;)

Yes, we dudes can be silly, but I'm not one of them anymore woop woop!!

[Anchor]

I like that the FHM 98th sexiest woman out of their top 100, is in fact a man. Lots of people upset by this, but its what the readers voted for.

He is quoted as saying, I dont see men and women in the street, I see people.

I read that today and it was the basis for quite some thinking.

[red_rose]

That's really interesting, RR. It is such a wonderful answer :D. Maybe you feel a need to balance the energy? That sounds pretty good to me :-)

I quite like the idea of balance, you're right. Or, maybe it's about becoming 'whole'. When I am in the company of women I symbolise and am...femininity, so I draw in the masculine to feel complete. When I am amongst men, the divine masculine is prevalent so I radiate the divine feminine.

[9eagle9]

Perspective from a lady builder? I was either in the con-trades or restoration for about 15 years often times as the boss. As far as being on job site..No men do not get in touch with their fem side, the lady boss shows them how to respect her and not by pushing her femininity down their throat but expressing self authority and equality. Not sure a construction site is the best example, a woman on site who doesn't' conduct herself a certain way , is going to get entry into the school of hard knocks.

Equality we are all here to do the same thing.

That woman is more than likely imposing her equality and sense of team work rather than her femininity in the context used here. Trust me, Fem isn't welcome on a work site not in the context New Age Thought presents it as anyway. It's way counterproductive, I attempted it a few times and no....didn't work. The women you mentioned is showing them something entirely different. Men have told me the right kind of woman on the jobsite improves all things. ut women cant' take things personally, especially their femininity. Their sense of equality will be though.

Realistically a woman on job site knows she's going to take some flack but I seldom had to be 'boss bitch' ---maybe with one or two because they wanted to show the were boss . Nooo. Or they resent having a woman on board.

The harassment you learn to take on the chin , it ain't going anywhere, but you learn to understand and why it's present. It's not personal. Then you learn to dish it back and you've created a sort of equality. All goodnatured though that's all it remains good natured. And with respect-- that doesn't' mean everyone is kowtowing and bowing it means harassment and joking is goodnatured and not spiteful and personal. So very every time I got locked in the tool room, and everytime i drilled a hole in a freshly installed wall they'd spend a day putting up so I could escape...and sat around smiling while they rebuilt my handiwork....for everytime I found a penis eraser on my drawing board, and for every time I printed up bumper stickers to put on their worktrucks that said "I love Broke Back Mountain."..... It was all good natured but it also showed I wasn't' taking any **** because i'd dish it right back but mostly because I wasn't taking it personally. Not because I am some great feminine presence. A woman who knows herself can keep a whole herd of men in line, believe me i've been the lone woman in the midst of 30 men. If some new man came on site and started throwing their weight around with me, my fellow male co workers or employees made sure the essential energy of workplace wasn't disturbed by the a-hole. We developed unity from harassment. I didn't have to do anything. You learn to have fun with it and no one crosses the line. Then you are a team. The will defend you to the end, but they will still hurl a snowball at you if given the chance.

As far as the boobs and legs remark. I seize immediate control over the situation. I stand there and stare back. After five minutes, I yell "Hey did you get a good look at my 5hit? " They back right down.

Being on a work site with men taught me more I'm sure than it did them. I can't teach anyone anything but we all learned from the experience. I still laugh out loud as the crap we used to get up to., the things they tormented me with. The crap I hurled back in retaliation. But a woman without authority and self value and respect isn't going to last long there, if she does she can manage quite well off the jobsite as well. A woman who knows why and what she's doing on a jobsite is going to create that sort of atmosphere not because she is overtly expressing feminine energy.

On the other hand self authority is part of fem expression and so is stressing equality but you have to have it for yourself before it can be manifested.




Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

[red_rose]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

Hi, great question. It certainly helps men get in touch with what you call their 'feminine' side if there's a woman to introduce them to new ways of thinking, feeling and being. I don't agree with the term feminine side though, that's what puts immature guys off, as they think they need to focus on their 'male macho' side, which is also an illusion.

There's just a 'better' way of being, and women find it easier to access. Women are definitely the key, but its to a door that a lot of men will even refuse to see.

Be patient with us - maybe women can take that into account and help us guys get there, probably by approaching in a manner that never suggest 'feminine' ;)

Yes, we dudes can be silly, but I'm not one of them anymore woop woop!!

I guess one has to look at what the word 'feminine' means to them. Maybe society needs better role models for 'femininity' in order for men (and women) to respect the word 'feminine'.

[aranuk]

Hi Rose, anything is possible. In my chess club we had only one member of the fair sex and Mrs Stewart was in her 80's. She looked like Miss Marples with a wee hat and fox fur wrap. She was ever so posh. There were 30 men and there was never a swear word heard in all the years she was around. When she passed on the swear words could be heard every week. It is quite incredible how the personalities of men change when there is a woman in the company.

Stan

[peter67]

Nice post... the suppression of the female is slowly being undone.. more males r now moving into the energy of the heart chakra.. i'm seeing this more and more recently...

cheers
peter

[The One]

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

Not at all what about you ladies do you get in touch with your man side aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[ulli]

Humanity is like a bird,
and men and women are the two wings...
Wings need to be equal in strength
or the bird can't fly...
From Bahai teachings on equality of men and women

[New Dawn]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

Hi, great question. It certainly helps men get in touch with what you call their 'feminine' side if there's a woman to introduce them to new ways of thinking, feeling and being. I don't agree with the term feminine side though, that's what puts immature guys off, as they think they need to focus on their 'male macho' side, which is also an illusion.

There's just a 'better' way of being, and women find it easier to access. Women are definitely the key, but its to a door that a lot of men will even refuse to see.

Be patient with us - maybe women can take that into account and help us guys get there, probably by approaching in a manner that never suggest 'feminine' ;)

Yes, we dudes can be silly, but I'm not one of them anymore woop woop!!

I guess one has to look at what the word 'feminine' means to them. Maybe society needs better role models for 'femininity' in order for men (and women) to respect the word 'feminine'.

Well it implies that its something that comes from the female side of lifes fountain. If we stop saying this guy is black or white (for example) - just a person, and If we stop saying This person is very feminine or macho - they become human. Its by losing division that we'll be able to work together, no?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against saying feminine, use it, but I'm just saying, if we're trying to steer the children away from the rocks, it'll help if they accept the changes, then the word :)

[red_rose]

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

Not at all what about you ladies do you get in touch with your man side aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I adore the divine masculine within me, it makes me feel as big as the universe and as strong and able as a god.

I also adore the divine feminine in me, I feel as loving and compassionate as Mother Earth and want to nurture every last soul on the planet.

Put those two aspects together and magic can happen.

[The One]

bonjour manquer

Les mots que bien parlé je vais essayant juste ma robe

bon au revoir

[Seikou-Kishi]

This thread has given me a lot to think about.

[red_rose]

bonjour manquer

Les mots que bien parlé je vais essayant juste ma robe

bon au revoir

was that you saying you're going to put on a dress? My french is crappy :(

[9eagle9]

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

Not at all what about you ladies do you get in touch with your man side aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You mean like...use a urinal (grin)

There's a urinal in the shop bathroom (if you want to call it a bathroom). If ever I live with one of the male species again I will insist on a urinal.

I have the ultimate man cave, every tool imaginable, EVERY thing is down there . I use it often enough but it still sort of wasted on me. Men in the area were chewing on their livers with envy. They would get so angry barking and screaming 'ITS NOT fair that a woman should have this sort of set up It makes me sick that some woman should have all this man stuff and she doesnt' even do anything with it."
I mean just throwing a fit over it.

I'd 'shrug-shrug' which drove them even madder, griping and bitching and that it wasn't fair.

Yep its mine, and its just going to waste, the air compressor, hoist, plasma welder, arc welders,cherry pickers, tranny flush machine, all sitting idle while I'm upstairs painting my toe nails and arranging flowers. I even draped a flowery table cloth over the nastly ole air compressor to further drive them nuts.

So one day the young man from up the road comes down and says, "WOW look at his place. I LOVE it. This is the ultimate man cave. Like the bat cave but REAL." And then starts running around like a little kid playing with the hoist and turning things on and off. Then he asks if he can do some work on his trucks in the winter time in the shop.

Oh sure. Have at it. Have fun.

Can't help but appreciate a person who loves your man cave and sees it for what it is rather than who it's owned by.

So then the barkers are just driven mad by this turn of events. "Why do you let HIM , that little punk bastard, use your man cave, and not us?"

Well because you never asked. You just bitched. No one wants a bitch around.

[red_rose]

It is certainly harder. I talk for myself of course. I work with a group of men where old notion of being a 'real man' are still quite alive. It is part of the heritage from the past; 'Men are strong, courageous. They do not cry and defend their familly with fury.'

It becomes hard for a man, amongs other men, to let his tenderness, sweetness, love, and caring to be expressed. It becomes harder for a man to shut down one of his partner who act without respect for a woman who passes by. Especially in a group of men who work hard physically.

It is less present where men does not work hard physically, and even lesser in mixed group. But... It changes, and lately, I see it changing quite fast. Notion of respect and equality are making its way in our culture. But you can not slap from the back of your hand thousands of years of history and culture. Its a slow process.

Namaste, Steven

If you were to let your "tenderness, love, sweetness and caring" aspects flow....what's the worst that could happen?

red_rose

[The One]

so a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

not at all what about you ladies do you get in touch with your man side aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

you mean like...use a urinal (grin)

there's a urinal in the shop bathroom (if you want to call it a bathroom). If ever i live with one of the male species again i will insist on a urinal.

I have the ultimate man cave, every tool imaginable, every thing is down there . I use it often enough but it still sort of wasted on me. Men in the area were chewing on their livers with envy. They would get so angry barking and screaming 'its not fair that a woman should have this sort of set up it makes me sick that some woman should have all this man stuff and she doesnt' even do anything with it."
i mean just throwing a fit over it.

I'd 'shrug-shrug' which drove them even madder, griping and bitching and that it wasn't fair.

Yep its mine, and its just going to waste, the air compressor, hoist, plasma welder, arc welders,cherry pickers, tranny flush machine, all sitting idle while i'm upstairs painting my toe nails and arranging flowers. I even draped a flowery table cloth over the nastly ole air compressor to further drive them nuts.

So one day the young man from up the road comes down and says, "wow look at his place. I love it. This is the ultimate man cave. Like the bat cave but real." and then starts running around like a little kid playing with the hoist and turning things on and off. Then he asks if he can do some work on his trucks in the winter time in the shop.

Oh sure. Have at it. Have fun.

Can't help but appreciate a person who loves your man cave and sees it for what it is rather than who it's owned by.

So then the barkers are just driven mad by this turn of events. "why do you let him , that little punk bastard, use your man cave, and not us?"

well because you never asked. You just bitched. No one wants a bitch around.

lol thats funny

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was that you saying you're going to put on a dress? My french is crappy

We we madame

[ceetee9]

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

red_rose
Red_rose, you hit the nail on the head. It is indeed "mob mentality" (aka herd behavior, group mind, etc.), but it is not limited to men. This is an innate phenomena of the animal species. When groups congregate, be they men, women or a mixed crowd, the tendency is to go with the leader or those of (perceived) higher status. I'm not suggesting that that makes it right, but that that is just the way animals (human or otherwise) behave. And you are also right that it takes far more courage and strength to break the dynamic of the mob mentality than to acquiesce to it. Perhaps we're not as intelligent, enlightened, just, and/or caring as we would like to believe we are.

[red_rose]

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

red_rose
Red_rose, you hit the nail on the head. It is indeed "mob mentality" (aka herd behavior, group mind, etc.), but it is not limited to men. This is an innate phenomena of the animal species. When groups congregate, be they men, women or a mixed crowd, the tendency is to go with the leader or those of (perceived) higher status. I'm not suggesting that that makes it right, but that that is just the way animals (human or otherwise) behave. And you are also right that it takes far more courage and strength to break the dynamic of the mob mentality than to acquiesce to it. Perhaps we're not as intelligent, enlightened, just, and/or caring as we would like to believe we are.

Once one is aware of the concept of 'mob mentality' it breaks the spell. Maybe that is the difference between us and the animals, we can be made aware and intellectualize and thus act in awareness of what we are doing/allowing.

red_rose

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@The one - I bet your heart will look lovely wearing a dress.

[ulli]

When right information is exchanged it hits the nail on the head and all male -female issues are resolved.
I first learnt Spanish from Nicaraguan construction workers who remodeled my first home...my Costa Rican in-laws found it funny to hear me use typical Nica expressions...
Both countries have corrupted the Spanish language as far as Mexicans are concerned, haha...

Anyway, 9eagle9, thank you for your inspiring posts in this thread...coming in very handy as I have to tidy up my man cave for the millionth time in preparation of yet another plunge into the world of hardware stores accompanied by my foreman and direct my log cabin project as a tall machita woman among my team of Latino males hungry for learning the latest construction tips as well as being given glimpses of archtectural computer graphics...
I have to admit though I'm glad now I'm not a thirtysomething anymore
Being an old crone saves a lot of time when it comes to working shoulder to shoulder with men...

[christian]

Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

The usual offensive behaviour is merely beating their chests amongst a group of hard working men, to keep the juices flowing, to make work a little easier and more enjoyable.

In your case, from my experience, men simply don't want to annoy the woman in their presence, especially true if they have a vested interest in her, so they didn't whistle after you, expressing some good manners. I saw other cases where the man were not attracted at all to a female co-worker and just did the regular chest-beating thing.

I have no vested interests in anything, so for a moderate bit of chest-beating:
This thread rouses my curiousity about your anatomy. :hat:

[red_rose]

[QUOTE=red_rose;234331]
This thread rouses my curiousity about your anatomy. :hat:

My anatomy is perfect and exquisite, as is all goddesses. Worthy of respect and worship, for when you kneel before us you kneel before all of femininity.

When we honor and kneel before you in nakedness, we kneel before all of masculinity, in all it's perfection and strength.

[The One]

7863Ok then if you insist

[9eagle9]

Speak for yourself, I demand a few dinners and movie before the notion of any sort of kneeling even begins to enter the picture....;)

Chivalry takes such a hard knock these days it must be hard (no pun intended...lol) to be a man.

I was purchasing parts for my boat, and nattering to the proprietor of the marina. He suddenly decides to give me the parts at below cost because ..I was a woman doing my own repairs. He wasn't condescending, he was honoring me. The men standing in line behind me didn't appreciate it much and made complaint but I thought it was a sweet gesture.





[QUOTE=red_rose;234331]
This thread rouses my curiousity about your anatomy. :hat:

My anatomy is perfect and exquisite, as is all goddesses. Worthy of respect and worship, for when you kneel before us you kneel before all of femininity.

When we honor and kneel before you in nakedness, we kneel before all of masculinity, in all it's perfection and strength.

[yaksuit]

During the 90's I use to joke that I was technically a Lesbian because I felt like I was a woman in a mans body. As the years go by I have felt more balanced in this regard.

Excellent thread.
Cheers,
yak

[red_rose]

Speak for yourself, I demand a few dinners and movie before the notion of any sort of kneeling even begins to enter the picture....;)

Chivalry takes such a hard knock these days it must be hard (no pun intended...lol) to be a man.



I completely agree. That's why we need strong and nurturing women to honor and empower men.

[Wings]

I like that the FHM 98th sexiest woman out of their top 100, is in fact a man. Lots of people upset by this, but its what the readers voted for.

He is quoted as saying, I dont see men and women in the street, I see people.

I read that today and it was the basis for quite some thinking.

Children should also be seen as people. I am always saying this to those who will listen. When labels like gender, race, age, status etc. are not used to make a pre-judgement you really see a person's worth etc.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons the cap of curiosity...

Hi red_rose


Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

From the above I'll assume that the universe has blessed you with certain genetics that seem to appeal to the baser survival instincts of the opposite sex. Considering the reaction indicates that at that moment you held complete power over all those minds for the duration of the experience I am curious as to why you felt powerless...

As I suspect is the case with most men, I am truly delighted by the many and varied examples of the female form but am saddened by the fact that political correctness has effectively neutered my ability to acknowledge that delight in any way shape or form. Even opening a door for a lady is quite often frowned upon theses days.


So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

As to your question, for me it is a matter of context. At home watching a 'chick flick' with my wife and two daughters I'm quite often the first one to be bawling my eyes out. That being said, if I'm out with the lads riding trailbikes it actually doesn't occur to any of us to stop and hug a tree. At the end of the day everyones sh!t stinks and we all put our pants on one leg at a time so I really don't see it as any big deal...

[bennycog]

I would just like to stand here bang my chest and look for the most willing and compatible mate.. And i will respect her in the morning ;)
But i also cry in movies.. i cry for the state of the world.. Then i will go out and be forcefull enough to run 20 men on a mine site..

[red_rose]

Mad Hatter dons the cap of curiosity...

Hi red_rose


Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

From the above I'll assume that the universe has blessed you with certain genetics that seem to appeal to the baser survival instincts of the opposite sex. Considering the reaction indicates that at that moment you held complete power over all those minds for the duration of the experience I am curious as to why you felt powerless...

As I suspect is the case with most men, I am truly delighted by the many and varied examples of the female form but am saddened by the fact that political correctness has effectively neutered my ability to acknowledge that delight in any way shape or form. Even opening a door for a lady is quite often frowned upon theses days.


So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

As to your question, for me it is a matter of context. At home watching a 'chick flick' with my wife and two daughters I'm quite often the first one to be bawling my eyes out. That being said, if I'm out with the lads riding trailbikes it actually doesn't occur to any of us to stop and hug a tree. At the end of the day everyones sh!t stinks and we all put our pants on one leg at a time so I really don't see it as any big deal...

If I hold a door open for someone, I do it to ease the access for that person. It's an act from my heart, an act of love. If they don't thank me, I'm fine with that, I did it out of unconditional love not in expectation of thanks. So, if a female looks cross at you, don't worry, it's their misunderstanding not yours.

If you are delighted by the female form and not know how to express it, send that energy to your heart and send it out with love. You will find that your posture and energy will be different, a woman will pick up on that. Your stance will be one of honor not lust.

Why do I feel powerless...well I guess that is for me to get my head around as no-one should be able to take my power without my blessing.

[red_rose]

I once read a quote stating - "A woman has an irresistible desire to be desired irresistibly"

I would have agreed to that in my teens, but then I realised that that aspect is pandering to the ego and is destructive to one's growth. For me, being a woman is not about being desired it's about being honored.

[ulli]

During the 90's I use to joke that I was technically a Lesbian because I felt like I was a woman in a mans body. As the years go by I have felt more balanced in this regard.

Excellent thread.
Cheers,
yak

so you're my kind of guy...:rolleyes:

I'm a gay man in a woman's body...:flirt:
howaboudit?? :flirt: :flirt:

(just kidding, I'm committed for life)

[christian]

My anatomy is perfect and exquisite, as is all goddesses. Worthy of respect and worship, for when you kneel before us you kneel before all of femininity.

When we honor and kneel before you in nakedness, we kneel before all of masculinity, in all it's perfection and strength.

Thanks for this picturesque and compassionate clarification.

Yet I long for the time when this kneeling act of reverence is finished so we can stand forth together.

Reminds me of "Human Race Get Off Your Knees"... As you mentioned nakedness, I read in Melchizedek's "Flower of Life", that Pharao Akhenaton, who was allegedly somehow of E.T. origin, made it law for the people to be naked, because of the honesty and truthfulness that supposedly goes with it, I'm ranting now...

[New Dawn]

Well I've always said, if I was a girl for a day, the first thing I'd do is become a lesbian! :)

[Flash]

bonjour manquer

Les mots que bien parlé je vais essayant juste ma robe

bon au revoir

was that you saying you're going to put on a dress? My french is crappy :(

My French is very good and I did not catch at all, don't worry Red Rose.

Can you repeat with other words please One?

LOL Can you translate into English (this comment is coming from me, a French speaker);)

[red_rose]

My anatomy is perfect and exquisite, as is all goddesses. Worthy of respect and worship, for when you kneel before us you kneel before all of femininity.

When we honor and kneel before you in nakedness, we kneel before all of masculinity, in all it's perfection and strength.

Thanks for this picturesque and compassionate clarification.

Yet I long for the time when this kneeling act of reverence is finished so we can stand forth together.

Reminds me of "Human Race Get Off Your Knees"... As you mentioned nakedness, I read in Melchizedek's "Flower of Life", that Pharao Akhenaton, who was allegedly somehow of E.T. origin, made it law for the people to be naked, because of the honesty and truthfulness that supposedly goes with it, I'm ranting now...

When I mentioned 'kneeling' I really meant doing the wild thang. Otherwise I agree.

[blufire]

I find these conversations fascinating . . . . .

BUT, why is it that in this line of thinking (mob mentality) and other discussions of perceived divine masculine and divine feminine that “feminine” traits are preferred, good and right and “masculine” traits are wrong, evil and barbaric.

For a man to exhibit “pure” maleness is not mob mentality or "wrong" anymore than when a woman exhibits “pure” femaleness.

I feel we need those very distinct differences in male and female. Why is it when we discuss “balance” it always comes out leaning more toward “female traits”?????

The reason many guys in the construction and heavy work field, as well as, soldiers exhibit the more “hardcore” maleness is because of the very work they do. They have more testosterone because of the heavy exhausting work and their adrenaline hormone is also triggered many more times in a work day. These extreme hormonal traits keep them safer and enable them to do this type of work. Their male hormones and behavior are much more apparent just as . . . say a woman who works in a neo-natal hospital caring for sick babies exhibits extreme nurturing and loving traits . . . her hormones are triggered toward that daily environment and exposure.

We discuss and pontificate over finding “balance” and melding our maleness and femaleness . . . . into what??? . . . .

The only thing that comes to my mind is androgyny . . . . is this truly more desirable??

Interestingly it has been my experience that the big burly man’s man is usually the first man in the bunch to show emotion. They are very demonstrative whether it is rage, cat-calling or crying in a movie. And actually the same can be said for a woman’s woman. I have the distinct impression that 9eagle9 could be filled with righteous anger and actually do something “about it” as well as be very nurturing . . . . . by the way . . . . the same could be said for myself. ;)

[red_rose]

No-one is disrespecting masculinity here. Maybe you mis-read a few posts.

I understand your point.

red_rose

[New Dawn]

Its because man carries greed, hunger for power, and they give in to the 'dark side' easier - Women are or can be like teachers or guides for men, if only we'd listen. Even before I realised that it doesn't matter who appears in power (because a puppet is a puppet), I've always believed that if women were able to get in control, things would change dramatically for the better. I know I'll get some hassle for this one, but women are more balanced than man. I'm basing this on all of my experiences.

Besides, when people say 'the evil that men do', I like to take that literally, because the male species have a lot to answer for.


I find these conversations fascinating . . . . .

BUT, why is it that in this line of thinking (mob mentality) and other discussions of perceived divine masculine and divine feminine that “feminine” traits are preferred, good and right and “masculine” traits are wrong, evil and barbaric.

For a man to exhibit “pure” maleness is not mob mentality or "wrong" anymore than when a woman exhibits “pure” femaleness.

I feel we need those very distinct differences in male and female. Why is it when we discuss “balance” it always comes out leaning more toward “female traits”?????

The reason many guys in the construction and heavy work field, as well as, soldiers exhibit the more “hardcore” maleness is because of the very work they do. They have more testosterone because of the heavy exhausting work and their adrenaline hormone is also triggered many more times in a work day. These extreme hormonal traits keep them safer and enable them to do this type of work. Their male hormones and behavior are much more apparent just as . . . say a woman who works in a neo-natal hospital caring for sick babies exhibits extreme nurturing and loving traits . . . her hormones are triggered toward that daily environment and exposure.

We discuss and pontificate over finding “balance” and melding our maleness and femaleness . . . . into what??? . . . .

The only thing that comes to my mind is androgyny . . . . is this truly more desirable??

Interestingly it has been my experience that the big burly man’s man is usually the first man in the bunch to show emotion. They are very demonstrative whether it is rage, cat-calling or crying in a movie. And actually the same can be said for a woman’s woman. I have the distinct impression that 9eagle9 could be filled with righteous anger and actually do something “about it” as well as be very nurturing . . . . . by the way . . . . the same could be said for myself. ;)

[OnyxKnight]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

It takes two to tango.

I think both are complementary to each other.

Buuuut, If I think about it - I think its the women ;).

Only a woman can bring out to the surface some feminine qualities a man has, or make him attain these same qualities.

The masculine qualities a woman has? I think those come with a deeper understanding of the personal character, and understandability of gender. When one fully understands gender philosophy, one realizes there are no gender roles, or gender-specific characteristics, except, of course, the biologically recognized ones :).

I'm gonna mention something, but I hope its not taken in a bad context.

Women can be fascinating, and very manipulative beautiful beings. When I say manipulative, I don't necessarily say this in a negative connotation. This gift can be used for all the wrong reasons, but at the same time, all the right reasons too.

This is a skill that was taught to the first females who reached sapience, in the times of our Creation :). Largely why a lot of problems, and the "original sin" is blamed on the woman. Because she first acquired knowledge from the 'forbidden fruit', she was taught this.

This manipulation is useful a lot, in political and diplomatic relations, because it can be used to break down conflicts, and build piece between nations. Not only this, but its clear that throughout history, women actually were the backbone of society and, as Beyonce recently said in her song "Our persuasion, can build a nation", you have, built nations. Its usually men who have brought them down ;).

Women through this manipulation, can bring the feminine side of men to the surface, and depending on her skill, even tame them. Maybe instead of manipulation I can add the words direction, coordination, navigation. I think it would be clearer? I mean this in the most positive way, as a quality, not a bad trait.

I think if our society was run by males alone, there would be no balance. Thank you for being the equilibrium between our logic and our aggression :).

Just my two cents

[red_rose]

Its because man carries greed, hunger for power, and they give in to the 'dark side' easier - Women are or can be like teachers or guides for men, if only we'd listen. Even before I realised that it doesn't matter who appears in power (because a puppet is a puppet), I've always believed that if women were able to get in control, things would change dramatically for the better. I know I'll get some hassle for this one, but women are more balanced than man. I'm basing this on all of my experiences.

Besides, when people say 'the evil that men do', I like to take that literally, because the male species have a lot to answer for.


I find these conversations fascinating . . . . .

BUT, why is it that in this line of thinking (mob mentality) and other discussions of perceived divine masculine and divine feminine that “feminine” traits are preferred, good and right and “masculine” traits are wrong, evil and barbaric.

For a man to exhibit “pure” maleness is not mob mentality or "wrong" anymore than when a woman exhibits “pure” femaleness.

I feel we need those very distinct differences in male and female. Why is it when we discuss “balance” it always comes out leaning more toward “female traits”?????

The reason many guys in the construction and heavy work field, as well as, soldiers exhibit the more “hardcore” maleness is because of the very work they do. They have more testosterone because of the heavy exhausting work and their adrenaline hormone is also triggered many more times in a work day. These extreme hormonal traits keep them safer and enable them to do this type of work. Their male hormones and behavior are much more apparent just as . . . say a woman who works in a neo-natal hospital caring for sick babies exhibits extreme nurturing and loving traits . . . her hormones are triggered toward that daily environment and exposure.

We discuss and pontificate over finding “balance” and melding our maleness and femaleness . . . . into what??? . . . .

The only thing that comes to my mind is androgyny . . . . is this truly more desirable??

Interestingly it has been my experience that the big burly man’s man is usually the first man in the bunch to show emotion. They are very demonstrative whether it is rage, cat-calling or crying in a movie. And actually the same can be said for a woman’s woman. I have the distinct impression that 9eagle9 could be filled with righteous anger and actually do something “about it” as well as be very nurturing . . . . . by the way . . . . the same could be said for myself. ;)

Makes me think of all the woman and children gang raped by soldiers....that's the kind of mob-mentality I was thinking about.

[Flash]

Personnally, I think that there is basic differences between men and women, that I do appreciate.

Talking about construction worker, I had my french drain redone around the house and it was a hot summer day. All the guys working on it were without shirt. i sat on my balcony and enjoyed the view. Gave the comments to my friends (girls) on the phone. I was almost as bad as the workers commenting on a women boops, the difference being that those I commented on were not aware of it (I hope).

However, in the work market, it can be very difficult to be a woman of to show sensitivity. The glass ceiling is over present. I have seen women becoming men in behavior in order to climb the corporate ladder. Not pretty. We still have very few models for success outside the traditional helper or family/communication oriented jobs. It is hard to express oneself when the whole environment is with low tone male voices speaking out, women have to learn adaptive techniques to go through, techniques usually not taught in any school or environment.

I do want to keep the feminine side though, because it is me, us, women. No other reasons. When one's being and convictions are very firm inside, within sensitivity and sensibility, ususally men respect that, even if different. However, they may be afraid of it, because of the difference. They may get a little rough then.

the other point is the following: women are utlimately the responsible ones for the children. Fathers may quit, mothers often will stay. This gives a totally different view of the world. And this is difficult to understand for a lot of man, as well as for childless women (I am thinking a few of my professional female friends). In this, we are different and often not understood.

Same thing for giving birth, this is kind of an ultimate giving experience. Nobody that has not gone through it can really understand this. imho. It makes one become quite different. And I do not even ask men to understand this.

I was a last call mother when i got my unique child, and Gosh did i find myself arrogant after giving birth. For years I tought i somewhat understood my friends with children, believe me, it was pure naivety nearing arrogance. I was way off.

This is when I truly understood that men are fundamentally different than women and that some things/experiences we cannot shared truly. There comes the needs for sensitivity in men, because they could be sensitive even if not understanding, and it does help when it happens.

I became in fact less demanding towards men, but more focussed on the important things for development and happiness. There are now my real insisting demands.

[christian]

My anatomy is perfect and exquisite, as is all goddesses. Worthy of respect and worship, for when you kneel before us you kneel before all of femininity.

When we honor and kneel before you in nakedness, we kneel before all of masculinity, in all it's perfection and strength.


Yet I long for the time when this kneeling act of reverence is finished so we can stand forth together.


When I mentioned 'kneeling' I really meant doing the wild thang.

I took it literally.
Doing the wild thang is what I meant with standing forth together :yo:

[blufire]

I'm going to say this very very carefully and I do respect your thoughts and experience . . . . . .

But with you opening post you did just that . . . . . disrespect masculinity . . . . I mean.

The cat calling and rude comments are "mostly" a masculine trait . . . . we as women don't like it but neither do guys like our bitchiness, cattiness or manipulative traits.

I'm so gonna catch it with this, I know.. But I really do not understand why our male counter parts are raked over the coals simply because of their humanity.




No-one is disrespecting masculinity here. Maybe you mis-read a few posts.

I understand your point.

red_rose

[christian]

Why is it when we discuss “balance” it always comes out leaning more toward “female traits”?????

When you lost your balance leaning too far to one side, the first step is leaning over to the other side.

Of course a balance is appropriate.

Masculine dominated behaviour has long predominated among humankind on earth.

Hence in our special case, it's simply about rediscovering the gentle power of the feminine, that's why the feminine is usually emphasized. The benifits of the feminine merged with the masculine traits, can improve the overall in multiple ways.

[Cjay]

It is second nature getting in touch with my gentle feminine side. I find it nauseating to be around male chauvanist pigs.

[red_rose]

I'm going to say this very very carefully and I do respect your thoughts and experience . . . . . .

But with you opening post you did just that . . . . . disrespect masculinity . . . . I mean.

The cat calling and rude comments are "mostly" a masculine trait . . . . we as women don't like it but neither do guys like our bitchiness, cattiness or manipulative traits.

I'm so gonna catch it with this, I know.. But I really do not understand why our male counter parts are raked over the coals simply because of their humanity.




No-one is disrespecting masculinity here. Maybe you mis-read a few posts.

I understand your point.

red_rose

Rape tends to be a masculine trait, not that many female rapists. Stripping someone of their dignity isn't honorable IMHO

Making a woman feel like a piece of meat, isn't honorable IMHO

[OnyxKnight]

Masculine dominated behaviour has long predominated among humankind on earth.

I for one would love to see a female president. Or some kind of leader, nation-wide, female leader.

Hell, lets have a a black, lesbian woman for a leader, and lets break down every single taboo there is :D.

[Fred Steeves]

Sorry I could not help myself.

7862

I've been wearing one of those tool belts since I was 18. Maybe I should put up that picture of me wearing nothing BUT one?:scared:

Cheers,
Fred

[nomadguy]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose


yes I think so, and I think most men are purely scared of women so they belittle them, ~ like children sometimes do. We men of the world need to grow up, and this is encouraging to hear. Some men are and have, and more will do the same
Cheers!

[blufire]

IS IT ???? Male dominated predomination????

It is because of women that we have “social structure” throughout Earth. From the smallest village in the remotest place to the largest city.It is our “nature” to nest and want our mates to build homes and communities for our babies and families.

HUMAN domination throughout the planet and throughout this current cycle has been a complete and unified collaboration between men and women.

We both have X chromosomes and Y chromosomes . . . . we are already melded and balanced . . . . as a species!

It truly makes me sad that we are at this point that the general opinion of males is so negative and hurtful.

It seems to always come down to control, power, and money. Who’s in control. . . . who has the power . . . who has the most money. I want none of it ANYMORE.

As far as the soldiers raping children and babies and mob mentality . . . . yes this is a truth . . . . but how about the soldiers that equally go in and PROTECT those same women and babies and DIE for us. THAT is mob mentality as well!! And women are not as capable of this type selfless heroism.

I know I’m spewing emotion here. But I have read these threads for years and it always comes down to bashing and reviling men and somehow all women are supposed to be these “goddesses” that come down from above and save humanity.

Has anyone ever thought that this is what “they” want us to believe? THiS mentality is what keeps us controlled and separated and divided and manageable.





Why is it when we discuss “balance” it always comes out leaning more toward “female traits”?????

When you lost your balance leaning too far to one side, the first step is leaning over to the other side.

Of course a balance is appropriate.

Masculine dominated behaviour has long predominated among humankind on earth.

Hence in our special case, it's simply about rediscovering the gentle power of the feminine, that's why the feminine is usually emphasized. The benifits of the feminine merged with the masculine traits, can improve the overall in multiple ways.

[blufire]

I agree . . . . But we as a society have stripped men of their dignity and maleness for years. We as a society have made fun of them, reviled their maleness and their natural way of behavior.

Look at all the nighttime comedy shows and commercials . . . men are debased constantly and everyday and in everyway. So how are we as a society being honorable to men???



Rape tends to be a masculine trait, not that many female rapists. Stripping someone of their dignity isn't honorable IMHO

Making a woman feel like a piece of meat, isn't honorable IMHO

[Fred Steeves]

Seriously though, even during my days of youthful indiscression, I don't recall right off hand any jobsites where the guys would really do the cat call thing. Maybe that happens more on big commercial sites where you can easily blend into anonymity, but in custom home building it's frowned upon.

That's not to say when the big boob lady in the tight shorts passes by on her morning walk every day that the power tools and the banging don't mysteriously fall silent.

Cheers,
Fred

[9eagle9]

We're still waiting.




Sorry I could not help myself.

7862

I've been wearing one of those tool belts since I was 18. Maybe I should put up that picture of me wearing nothing BUT one?:scared:

Cheers,
Fred

[christian]

IS IT ???? Male dominated predomination????

It is because of women that we have “social structure” throughout Earth. From the smallest village in the remotest place to the largest city.It is our “nature” to nest and want our mates to build homes and communities for our babies and families.

HUMAN domination throughout the planet and throughout this current cycle has been a complete and unified collaboration between men and women.

We both have X chromosomes and Y chromosomes . . . . we are already melded and balanced . . . . as a species!

It truly makes me sad that we are at this point that the general opinion of males is so negative and hurtful.

It seems to always come down to control, power, and money. Who’s in control. . . . who has the power . . . who has the most money. I want none of it ANYMORE.

As far as the soldiers raping children and babies and mob mentality . . . . yes this is a truth . . . . but how about the soldiers that equally go in and PROTECT those same women and babies and DIE for us. THAT is mob mentality as well!! And women are not as capable of this type selfless heroism.

I know I’m spewing emotion here. But I have read these threads for years and it always comes down to bashing and reviling men and somehow all women are supposed to be these “goddesses” that come down from above and save humanity.

Has anyone ever thought that this is what “they” want us to believe? THiS mentality is what keeps us controlled and separated and divided and manageable.


Note the difference between male/female and man/woman.

I connect the male archetype to adjectives like intellectual, rigid and forceful.
These are neither bad nor good per se.
They were just predominant over female traits like intuitiveness, softness and subtleness among humanity (men and women).

[christian]

Rape tends to be a masculine trait, not that many female rapists. Stripping someone of their dignity isn't honorable IMHO

Making a woman feel like a piece of meat, isn't honorable IMHO
we as a society have stripped men of their dignity and maleness for years. We as a society have made fun of them, reviled their maleness and their natural way of behavior.

Look at all the nighttime comedy shows and commercials . . . men are debased constantly and everyday and in everyway. So how are we as a society being honorable to men???

Predominance of a certain archetype is one thing.

Deliberate dumbing down of the people and deliberate lowering of common decency is another thing and occurs throughout society, I figure.

[Fred Steeves]

We're still waiting.




Sorry I could not help myself.

7862

I've been wearing one of those tool belts since I was 18. Maybe I should put up that picture of me wearing nothing BUT one?:scared:

Cheers,
Fred

I don't know, that drunken Village People impersonation wasn't my proudest moment. Oh, did I forget to mention the matching hard hat?

Cheers,
Fred

[red_rose]

blufire - you mentioned that a balance of male/female energy would be something similar to androgyny, and I feel that you deem this as a negative. Do you not think androgyny is our true nature if we are timeless spirits?

[Steven]

Do you know from a female perspective, personally, I don't think there is anything scarier than a group of men together.

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

red_rose

From my personal experience, if a man, among other men, express his opinion in opposition to a cruel and machiste group behavior, it is amazing to watch the pump up baloon to burst quickly, :) But at least one has to step forward and express it with clarity, that is what is lacking.

Our society is a machiste society, not the other way around. Capitalism only re-enforces it. That is why, be it from a woman or a man, it is easier and more culturally accepted to express the male aspect.

But... The Mayan are saying it is changing right now :) I see it coming.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

bonjour manquer

Les mots que bien parlé je vais essayant juste ma robe

bon au revoir

Ouf, je n'ai absolument rien compris :)

Namaste, Steven

[NancyV]

If you aspire to be androgynous then you could either die or spend most of your time out of body. We are most often androgynous when out of body unless we choose to appear as a female or male form, and that's in lower dimensions only. We happen to live in a lower vibrational dimension within this body, with either male or female attributes, so why would it make sense to live here as though we were in another dimension? That would be as absurd as wanting to engage in physical sex when in a much higher vibrational dimension where there are no sexes. You do what is appropriate and natural for the dimension you are living or traveling in.

I also find it tiring and amusing to hear males portrayed as imperfect and imbalanced just because they are being male animals. All male animals engage in courtship and mating rituals or dances where they strut their stuff in order to attract a female. I was never offended when a group of men started whistling and smacking their lips as I walked by. If you show some appreciation, like a wave, a smile and maybe swing your butt a bit more to show your appreciation you would be giving them a lot of joy and make them feel acknowledged.

Just because we females don't show our attraction to males the same way they show their attraction to us does not make them wrong. The perception that they should be different, or the way we want them to be is wrong. Trying to change man's basic nature into some new age caricature of "balanced" masculinity where the divine feminine seems always to be more important, is not and will never be workable as a reality on this physical plane.

Whenever I hear these viewpoints about men not being enough in touch with their feminine side I am really happy that we have not been completely successful in emasculating them! Either you love men with all their wonderful masculine attributes, or you try to change them into a pussy-whipped pale imitation of a man who will be useless if you ever need a REAL man to take care of you or protect you. Many macho men are fantastic poets, artists, singers, dancers and musicians. They just aren't the same as women.

Nancy

[red_rose]

I think different women respond differently to these situations, each for different reasons. For example, my mother likes it when men shout comments at her, she feels accepted and sexy. She'd lost her self-esteem when my dad left her.

Also, thank you, I've realised how judgemental I have been. Really there is no right and wrong. There is freedom of expression, without harm to others, for all.

Androgyny is a state of mind, you're not sexless/genderless, instead, you are everything, both genders, with all it's wonderful attributes of being. Complete. Dipping into each aspect when ever needed.

[craig mitchell]

Oh boy, I could write volumes on this one! My wife sometimes asks me to clue her in on what the heck men are thinking in a situation that has come up and my reply may be, "Don't ask me, I haven't a clue what they're thinking
This is both true, and it isn't true: I mean that I have a hard time relating to men when they are functioning on a base level, or perhaps it could be said, when they are acting from the first three chakras only
Actually I understand quite well how they are functioning, and why it is that way (still) but it is such a nauseating subject and I have fought it all my life
The average guy is so easy to control, just tweak him in a few vulnerable places and he'll jump around like an organ grinder's monkey

The understanding that could help the whole mess is that to hurt others, we first have to hurt, violate, demonize, or plain old 'make other', OURSELVES before going on to hurt others ( in what ever way it gets done)
Men are so programed to sacrifice themselves to some icon, thought form, or anything that they are told has "value" outside of themselves, and that it is good (common good) and noble (putting some "lord" above them), and that anyone that appears to be standing in the way should be, and deserves to be, mowed down figuratively or literally speaking

I'm not addressing the legitimate direct dealing with an actual threat, the real kind of which there are actually few of in our daily life
It's as though the patriarchy is to be protected at all costs, as if these males are going to benefit, ( rather than be sacrificed to) from the stacked deck of false privilege that they get assigned by way of incarnating in a male body
Perhaps, for some, it's all they've got, a sad tale but a vaguely perceived reality, however false
When tptw keep traumatizing each generation with their wars et all, the debility gets passed on and never addressed, much less healed

And woe to the one who goes against the "boys club" because the group mentality can swing on that individual quite quickly and it's "circle the wagons boys, 'cause the enemy's out there" and that persons that speaks up is shoved outside of the group and he's on his own
Of course, the enemy is never "out there", but this is the knee jerk reaction ( as in Problem, Reaction, Solution,( know what I mean?!) that gets played out in the outer world
So, I am indeed in great sympathy with the plight of men caught in the clench of manipulated conditions without a level of consciousness to see beyond the rim of the little bowl we're kept in

In times past when it was even more crude, to be put outside the circle, or ostracized could prove to be fatal, hence all the jingoism and 4x4 big wheel loud trucks seen driving around at 4th of July with flags flying, or another announcement of what I call "the war du jour" stirs the easily led to feats of stupendous folly
It's easy to die within this system, but hard to live with a crippled body when you're tossed aside like so much trash along the road to NWO Armageddon bullbleep, and harder yet to rethink your viewpoint when you haven't ever assessed the facts (when you can find them, like here on the Forum!) It's amazing, but the hardest thing to change is your mind, it's easier, or so it seems, to try to leverage the entire world, than to change your mind!
And it's all changing, and we're changing it to great outcome, AND THAT'S MY TIMELINE, AND I'M STICKING TO IT!

Is this a rant? Oh well, perhaps help me level it out?

Enough for now, if anyone would like to continue the conversation, I'm game

Regards, Craig

[Seikou-Kishi]

I for one would love to see a female president. Or some kind of leader, nation-wide, female leader.


Margaret Thatcher :O



Hell, lets have a a black, lesbian woman for a leader, and lets break down every single taboo there is :D.

She'd have to be disabled too.

[red_rose]

Oh boy, I could write volumes on this one! My wife sometimes asks me to clue her in on what the heck men are thinking in a situation that has come up and my reply may be, "Don't ask me, I haven't a clue what they're thinking
This is both true, and it isn't true: I mean that I have a hard time relating to men when they are functioning on a base level, or perhaps it could be said, when they are acting from the first three chakras only
Actually I understand quite well how they are functioning, and why it is that way (still) but it is such a nauseating subject and I have fought it all my life
The average guy is so easy to control, just tweak him in a few vulnerable places and he'll jump around like an organ grinder's monkey

The understanding that could help the whole mess is that to hurt others, we first have to hurt, violate, demonize, or plain old 'make other', OURSELVES before going on to hurt others ( in what ever way it gets done)
Men are so programed to sacrifice themselves to some icon, thought form, or anything that they are told has "value" outside of themselves, and that it is good (common good) and noble (putting some "lord" above them), and that anyone that appears to be standing in the way should be, and deserves to be, mowed down figuratively or literally speaking

I'm not addressing the legitimate direct dealing with an actual threat, the real kind of which there are actually few of in our daily life
It's as though the patriarchy is to be protected at all costs, as if these males are going to benefit, ( rather than be sacrificed to) from the stacked deck of false privilege that they get assigned by way of incarnating in a male body
Perhaps, for some, it's all they've got, a sad tale but a vaguely perceived reality, however false
When thtw keep traumatizing each generation with their wars et all, the debility gets passed on and never addressed, much less healed

And woe to the one who goes against the "boys club" because the group mentality can swing on that individual quite quickly and it's "circle the wagons boys, 'cause the enemy's out there" and that persons that speaks up is shoved outside of the group and he's on his own
Of course, the enemy is never "out there", but this is the knee jerk reaction ( as in Problem, Reaction, Solution,( know what I mean?!) that gets played out in the outer world
So, I am indeed in great sympathy with the plight of men caught in the clench of manipulated conditions without a level of consciousness to see beyond the rim of the little bowl we're kept in

In times past when it was even more crude, to be put outside the circle, or ostracized could prove to be fatal, hence all the jingoism and 4x4 big wheel loud trucks seen driving around at 4th of July with flags flying, or another announcement of what I call "the war du jour" stirs the easily led to feats of stupendous folly
It's easy to die within this system, but hard to live with a crippled body when you're tossed aside like so much trash along the road to NWO Armageddon bullbleep, and harder yet to rethink your viewpoint when you haven't ever assessed the facts (when you can find them, like here on the Forum!) It's amazing, but the hardest thing to change is your mind, it's easier, or so it seems, to try to leverage the entire world, than to change your mind!
And it's all changing, and we're changing it to great outcome, AND THAT'S MY TIMELINE, AND I'M STICKING TO IT!

Is this a rant? Oh well, perhaps help me level it out?

Enough for now, if anyone would like to continue the conversation, I'm game

Regards, Craig

So, what would your advice, to men, be?
What's helped you?

[christian]

Do you know from a female perspective, personally, I don't think there is anything scarier than a group of men together.

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

That's my 2 cents on how to break the group dynamic, when a mob of men becomes insane:

Being tender in a mob situation can easily be seen as a weakness and backfire badly.

Achieving something by being tender amongst a mob is possible, but takes a lot of expertise. It reminds me of a scene where Buddha calms down someone, who was about to kill him. The guy said "Hey stop!", when Buddha replied "Ok." but walked on. The guy said "You don't stop, stop walking!", when Buddha replied "I stopped *insert buddhist concepts of wrongdoings here*, but you didn't, you will be haunted and killed by men for your crimes or haunted by your deeds and be full of sorrow when you die alone, so stop what you are doing" ... the story goes it worked out for Buddha and the guy became his disciple. Pretty similar to Credo Mutwa's story, when the necklace of mysteries was stolen and he was kidnapped and scared the folks, by telling them that their deeds make them sick and they are about to die "****ting like a dog" when they kill him.

These examples show that their asses weren't saved by talking about sweet and tender love. Getting in their face verbally, making them realize what fruits their deeds will bear, seems like a good first approach. And for ultima ratio get physical, the moral highground is a major factor for the outcome of a conflict, because it brings support by the universal force, as even the classic "Art of War" by Sun Tzu states. When guys behave like a pack of wild wolves you just gotta become the alpha leader.

Or as Alex Jones would say, "I could take on 20 people right now, because I'm in the right!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNAn5OWBGY).

One time, when I got into a fight at a party, when a friend of mine got punched and I got between him and the other one, telling the attacker to calm down, I let the guy hit me 2 times in the face while reaching out to offer him a handshake to settle it but showing no reaction to the punches, he was just baffled and realized he couldn't take me down if he tried, that pretty much calmed him down, I was quite fired up inside but restrained from hitting him, because the situation was that he was part of gang and intellectually I figured I didn't want to start some kind of gang war, so it was a worthwile experience to see, that this can work as well. He actually invited me to drink wodka with him after a short time walking up and down shaking his head wondering how this could happen and hugged me as he went off, turning around like he saw a ghost.

A friend once told me a story where he and some friends were about to get into a fight with a much larger group, when one of his friends smashed a bottle on his own head just like that, which made the others leave the scene.

I don't find the proper words to summarize the point of these 2 incidents, but I think you can get the meaning between the lines.

[red_rose]

WOW! I love to hear what it's like to be a man. I couldn't imagine being able to cope with those situations....maybe I would try the female charm :)

What else? More stories please............

[Some Bloke]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

No its not
But because we are all so' defended' we all play out roles to get by

[Morgaine]

Well I'm going to be honest here from my own personal perspective, if everyone will allow me kindly. I agree that there is both beauty and power in the feminine..it is worthy of our reverence and admiration. But in nature there should be balance, and Nature made it so women held in their eyes and in their soul, the power of the creative feminine in all it's variations. Nature also made it so men could hold in their eyes and in their soul the great power and beauty of protection and strength in all it's variations.
There is no excuse for when a person of any gender makes another feel powerless, none at all and I am not saying that. But we must be careful as a race and as a creation of Nature, not to lose sight of the incredible power and grace of the masculine, of Men in our society. We have generally speaking, removed the essence of the masculine by introducing strict (and not always fair or relevant) expectations onto men, specifically over the last 40 years or so. Men are expected to practically act exactly like women in many ways, to nurture and to care, to be overtly emotional and to act almost subserviently around women. This is not equality, it is against the design of nature. Equality and Respect are the natural actions of intelligent and sentient beings, and these are the main qualities we must practice while embracing our differences as Man and Woman. Each has a role in the balance of things, and I for one enjoy the attention of respectful men, who admire me for my femininity, I feel empowered. This is the natural way of things. A group of men together would make me feel aware of my power as a woman, and in turn it make them aware of their power as men, and as so Nature designed it thus.
I would ask, why do men need to be in touch with their feminine side, if there is such a thing? I would suggest that the very presence of a beautiful woman would bring out the best in a man every time.

[red_rose]

Well I'm going to be honest here from my own personal perspective, if everyone will allow me kindly. I agree that there is both beauty and power in the feminine..it is worthy of our reverence and admiration. But in nature there should be balance, and Nature made it so women held in their eyes and in their soul, the power of the creative feminine in all it's variations. Nature also made it so men could hold in their eyes and in their soul the great power and beauty of protection and strength in all it's variations.
There is no excuse for when a person of any gender makes another feel powerless, none at all and I am not saying that. But we must be careful as a race and as a creation of Nature, not to lose sight of the incredible power and grace of the masculine, of Men in our society. We have generally speaking, removed the essence of the masculine by introducing strict (and not always fair or relevant) expectations onto men, specifically over the last 40 years or so. Men are expected to practically act exactly like women in many ways, to nurture and to care, to be overtly emotional and to act almost subserviently around women. This is not equality, it is against the design of nature. Equality and Respect are the natural actions of intelligent and sentient beings, and these are the main qualities we must practice while embracing our differences as Man and Woman. Each has a role in the balance of things, and I for one enjoy the attention of respectful men, who admire me for my femininity, I feel empowered. This is the natural way of things. A group of men together would make me feel aware of my power as a woman, and in turn it make them aware of their power as men, and as so Nature designed it thus.
I would ask, why do men need to be in touch with their feminine side, if there is such a thing? I would suggest that the very presence of a beautiful woman would bring out the best in a man every time.


That resonates with me actually :) *remembers panting like a dog whilst watching the film '300'* mmmmmm......men

[red_rose]

Actually, referring to the film '300' again, I think the spartans had it right when it came to gender roles. That's what I would call mutual androgyny ie both sexes showed equal hold of power and tenderness, but it flows within an arena of either a male or female form.

Edit...obviously the spartan war culture was a bit freakin extreme. The power within the male and female relationship was what i meant :)

[Cottage Rose]

Is all the world a stage for provocative self promotion?

[Some Bloke]

Red Rose, are you a Lancastrian ?

[nomadguy]

here are some things of interest on this subject,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6v9_ZJpxXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNIirsXS0

[craig mitchell]

Red Rose

"Oh god, my advice to men would be what?", he asks himself, "and why did she ask me that hard one!" I don't have a lot of advice for men, and I think I get your request here, though not sure that I do

On advice: The easier the question being reviewed, the more appropriate advice will be. Consequently, it seems to me, that the more complex the issue, the less advice can be effective. And this subject is a real rats nest of complexity. I'm not evading the question you posed, but to give a response that respects the question and questioner, I must think more. Or it may be better to break it down into a particular situation, real or imagined?

As to what has helped me, that is not easy to handle either, though I'll take a stab at it.

I have always seen the world through eyes not quite in synch with what I term "consensus reality" and it was tough from the start. What really helped me was to come up against a tyrant that I couldn't defeat no matter the amount of strength, energy, and time I threw at it, and at the time (in my prime) that was a considerable effort! The tyrant, or as Don Juan in Castenada's books would say, "petty tyrant" for me was illness through which I lost everything. So, I learned, in brief, that the whole "strong, lone wolf, I can take care of this myself, just leave me some room you can't do it too soon", blah, blah, was a huge pile of hogwash. Women seem to get this intuitively, innately, but I was dumb as a post in this regard. It was brought home to me then that I wasn't what I had assumed myself to be, that I had opinions based on little fact, no real research, and derided ( to some degree) others understandings. I was so stuck that it almost killed me, but I did finally learn.

In this I see the world that we witness being played out in front of us and I wonder about those unfortunate souls who are in the same place where I was when I got slammed.(higher self intervention, as I see it now) How are people going to fare when their particular piece of the action hits that point of incongruous clash that shakes it all loose for them when there's no higher level understanding?

To shorten: It is now that the decisions get made to come alive, or to continue to deaden and dumb down, and those going through it now need lots of help, sympathy, and guidance, but how do I sum it all up? Get help when you're up against something that you don't understand? Good advice, and not a platitude, but how do we reach those that don't know that help is available? I got lucky and was for the first time in my life, ahead of the wave in this respect, I have already lost it all and gained what cannot be measured.....increased consciousness. It appears that I did what the world's doing now. At times, I feel like running about pulling my hair(not all that much left) and shouting "REPENT, REPENT" though I doubt it would have much effect! More likely a gentle, "Let your joy shine forth", though that sounds a bit thin to those walking that path across the pond of frozen dreams.

I'm not sure that is a response that you can use but we could continue the dialogue.

Regards, Craig.

[DeDukshyn]

Good day to you!

Today as I was walking to my town I noticed a group of builders having a tea break. As I walked by I gritted my teeth in anticipation of hearing about the size of my boobs and what they would like to do to me, which seems to be the usual patter as I painfully walk by, feeling debased and powerless.

This time....they didn't. It was a beautiful relief. Then I noticed that they were all sitting in a circle under a tree, looking quite gentle, talking to each other. Then I noticed something that was also quite different....there was a female builder with them.

A-ha....I thought. Do men find it easier to get in touch with their gentle feminine side when they are in the presence of women....or can they do it without?

So a question to all you guys, is it hard to get in touch with your divine feminine side without the presence of women.

red_rose

I would say no it's not quite that men need women around to be in touch with their feminine side ...
But ... it is harder for men to be in touch with thier feminine side with other guys around - especially ones they are only acquainted with, as opposed to friends. So in that sense, a woman around gives them the "excuse" for it to be ok and not feel judged by the other guys. Its a guy programming thing - not that we don't have a feminine side - but rather we are a little worried what other guys might think. Being a guy spans a pretty broad spectrum these days and many men still aren't comfortable with all that variablitiy in accepted behaviour - so we still pick a certain part of that spectrum to base our views from . My 2 cents :)

[9eagle9]

You just read the MAN-ual to understand (or not) men.

Chapter 5, summary and excerpt.

Men are delicate creatures that have to be treated carefully at all times.

Testimony: I'm okay with men I know but the strange ones.....No. I'm terrified of them the way some people are terrorfied of small children, or infants, they break easily and one never knows what one is going to do or so to make them explode or run off screaming hysterically. You can't say hi to them they think you're hitting on them, and they'll start backing away and panting "Get away from me, I have a girlfriend.

. So encounters with strange men are painful. All that translation that is necessary to hold a dialog is tricky but necessary so you don't spook them. Don't make eye contact, keep head down, look only at your hands and grit your teeth till they move on. If you say something they'll take it the wrong way or rather a way that means life entrapment and commitment to them.

I'm really bad at the translation thing and it causes awkward conversations mostly with me mumbling into my chest, and addressing my hands and the long pauses it takes as my brain translates what is actually being said. . Because if you aren't carefully they get all spooked, thinking you want their wallet, a commitment, a ring,...something..... when all you're trying to do is ease out of this situation where they may break into a million pieces at any moment and you will have bad karma and blood on your hands the rest of your life. And for gods sakes you don't touch them. Do NOT offer your hand, or touch their shoulder or elbow. They will panic and think that you are attempting to arrest them into a state of matrimony. KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF.

You always answer the translated question never the one asked because you are asking for big trouble (and bad karma)

"Do you have kids?" Means "You're looking for a husband, right?" so you answer no.
"Do you want to go out to dinner?" Means he suspects your desperate. So you answer no.
"Do you like BMWs?"Wants to know if your a gold diggers so you answer no.
"What do you do for a living?" Wants to know how much money you have so answer no.
"Do you work out? Means that you're fat and you should be working out, so you say no.
If they ask if you like their shirt, you say no because they are really asking if your materialistic.

If this ask you out on a date say NO because your head will explode having to translate this all night. Its a language called man-ese. If they throw something at you that you you can't translated take a deep breath and say, I DON"T UNDERSTAND very loudly. This backfires sometimes because they think your dumb and easy and really put on the pressure. Also you have to change the tone of "no' a lot . Say it brightly, while staring at your hands like a automaton because if you are anyway coming off as an aloof bitch, they will think your playing hard to get and really dig in their heels in after you. Do not be artificial , make this robotic parroting of the word no as authentic as possible. If they think you're a poser they will stop at nothing to get you into a relationship for the wrong reason.

Things that can go wrong:

I was out riding a few days ago and came a bend in the trail and there was a man there sitting on a horse. He looked like the poster child for the White Brotherhood. Big muscles, tall, shaved head all these tats. Even his horse looked like it could bar room brawl, this huge black scarred up stallion. He has a side arm so maybe he will feel safe, so if I just sort knee my horse forward and sidle past maybe it will be okay.. BUT>>>>> Because he startled me I accidentally made eye contact, and immediately panicked. (me not him) He puts one hand behind his head and the other on his hip and bats his eyelashes at me. "I'm very sensitive," he says.

HOLY COW. What does THAT mean. It's not translating. So I stare down at my boobs and wait because maybe he will go away. (Men dont' have to look at my boobs while we're talking I do it for them. If they try to look at my boobs they will only see the top of my head. If their tall enough.) I keep subtly gigging Indy to move forward but he will only go to where I'm looking at which is somewhat impossible unless he climbs down my shirt. So I'm stuck. I can't risk making eye contact again because clearly this man has no idea what he's gotten into. Finally he leans over and taps me on the shoulder and says "Are you okay?"

WHAAAAAAA? What sorta question is that?The translator has completely collapsed and I'm aghast, I can already see my hands turning red with his life fluid. So I say "I don't speak mane-ese," dig my heels and bolt off down the trail.

So I ran into him again today out in the woods. But there was another trail splitting off in the other direction so hurried down it. He shouts after, "Hey hang on a second I want to talk to you?"

OMG NOT AGAIN. He's not even speaking manese anymore. Wants to talk to me? Wait that's what they say after sex, right? NO. After sex they DON"T want to talk you.

Oh gawd i"m such a dumbass and so bad at this. Wait. It's coming to me....."Hang on a second, I want to talk to you." has something to do with paying bills doesn't it?No it means you spent too much money.

DAMN, I cant' do this its too confusing. I'm damned if I do and damned if I dont'. oh wait....Now I know what it means!!! So I look over my shoulder and yell," I don't want to marry you. '

I don't get it , I'm such a nice person and men just think I'm a lunatic no matter how hard I try.

[red_rose]

@ craig mitchell - "walking that path of frozen dreams".....beautiful :)

Thank you so much for your post, it was extremely moving.

Brave you.

Real gems.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Red Rose, are you a Lancastrian ?

Am I from Lancaster> No...Devon.

[ghostrider]

the presence of a woman helps in every situation, for all men. I always think - every person everywhere past present and future came from the body of a woman. even Jesus came from the body of a woman, we are all part of the divine female spirit. most ego manics don't like to admit it.

[red_rose]

here are some things of interest on this subject,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6v9_ZJpxXc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNIirsXS0

Thanks for the vids.

The noise that the guy in the first vid makes, at the start........awesome! :)

[Strat]

I would imagine these people didn't make their cat-calls because the other woman was there. It's like making a racist joke with that race being there, it wouldn't be tasteful.

[Anchor]

the presence of a woman helps in every situation, for all men. I always think - every person everywhere past present and future came from the body of a woman. even Jesus came from the body of a woman, we are all part of the divine female spirit. most ego manics don't like to admit it.

As a man I agree. I like women! My wife is pretty clued in too, when I moved to a new job where I was going to have a female boss, she said it would work out well for me, and it has.

In my own gradual ongoing unfolding of understanding of the component parts of what I am, of which ego is but one, I realise that sexual polarity is one of the bigger catalysts that fuel the ego. It doesn't take much for the polarities expressed between men and women to set it off (or at least attempt to) on its "task" of teach/learning the other. However, a while ago, I found that it easy to get a handle on it once you see what is going on.

[red_rose]

I would imagine these people didn't make their cat-calls because the other woman was there. It's like making a racist joke with that race being there, it wouldn't be tasteful.

So what you're saying is guys know that it is 'wrong' , 'distasteful' , 'primitive' ect but still do it anyway (but not infront of female co-worker). I think that's why I feel powerless when they do it, it's an act of intimidation, your feelings don't matter.

[9eagle9]

Carry a tampon with you. Men are scared of them.




I would imagine these people didn't make their cat-calls because the other woman was there. It's like making a racist joke with that race being there, it wouldn't be tasteful.

So what you're saying is guys know that it is 'wrong' , 'distasteful' , 'primitive' ect but still do it anyway (but not infront of female co-worker). I think that's why I feel powerless when they do it, it's an act of intimidation, your feelings don't matter.

[red_rose]

carry a tampon with you. Men are scared of them.




i would imagine these people didn't make their cat-calls because the other woman was there. It's like making a racist joke with that race being there, it wouldn't be tasteful.

so what you're saying is guys know that it is 'wrong' , 'distasteful' , 'primitive' ect but still do it anyway (but not infront of female co-worker). I think that's why i feel powerless when they do it, it's an act of intimidation, your feelings don't matter.

..........................lol :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Carry a tampon with you. Men are scared of them.




I would imagine these people didn't make their cat-calls because the other woman was there. It's like making a racist joke with that race being there, it wouldn't be tasteful.

So what you're saying is guys know that it is 'wrong' , 'distasteful' , 'primitive' ect but still do it anyway (but not infront of female co-worker). I think that's why I feel powerless when they do it, it's an act of intimidation, your feelings don't matter.

well, my life was saved by a Tampon...

I ran to the store to get a box for my girlfriend, didn't have a clue exactly what I was to get, but figured it couldn't be that hard. after filling the cart with what we needed, I rolled up front to pay.

The Cashier just finished collecting my payment and was putting everything into bags, and she turned and hit the floor...

now for a man nothing in the world is harder than pleasing a woman who is PMSing. Something men never talk about, an unsaid rule... we can't even breath right... ;)

so anyways, I finished paying and without having to look, I knew there was a gun pointed at me, I put the last thing in the bag, which was the Tampons, glancing at the gunman, picked up the bag and stared straight at himl, did he really think I was afraid of a gun after dealing with an extreme case of PMS? I walked straight at him, staring down the barrel... he lowered the gun and said you're nuts and ran out of the store...

everyone stood up and cheered, didn't faze me, I looked back and winked as I walked out the door, but, I still had trouble ahead...

I bought the wrong ones...

so 10 minutes after leaving the store, I come walking back in, all the employees talking to the police point straight at me so I walked up no big deal, until I told them I bought the wrong ones, they laughed so hard... :hurt:

and all of you wonder why I watch the moons... ;)

[DeDukshyn]

You just read the MAN-ual to understand (or not) men.

Chapter 5, summary and excerpt.

Men are delicate creatures that have to be treated carefully at all times.

Testimony: I'm okay with men I know but the strange ones.....No. I'm terrified of them the way some people are terrorfied of small children, or infants, they break easily and one never knows what one is going to do or so to make them explode or run off screaming hysterically. You can't say hi to them they think you're hitting on them, and they'll start backing away and panting "Get away from me, I have a girlfriend.

. So encounters with strange men are painful. All that translation that is necessary to hold a dialog is tricky but necessary so you don't spook them. Don't make eye contact, keep head down, look only at your hands and grit your teeth till they move on. If you say something they'll take it the wrong way or rather a way that means life entrapment and commitment to them.

I'm really bad at the translation thing and it causes awkward conversations mostly with me mumbling into my chest, and addressing my hands and the long pauses it takes as my brain translates what is actually being said. . Because if you aren't carefully they get all spooked, thinking you want their wallet, a commitment, a ring,...something..... when all you're trying to do is ease out of this situation where they may break into a million pieces at any moment and you will have bad karma and blood on your hands the rest of your life. And for gods sakes you don't touch them. Do NOT offer your hand, or touch their shoulder or elbow. They will panic and think that you are attempting to arrest them into a state of matrimony. KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF.

You always answer the translated question never the one asked because you are asking for big trouble (and bad karma)

"Do you have kids?" Means "You're looking for a husband, right?" so you answer no.
"Do you want to go out to dinner?" Means he suspects your desperate. So you answer no.
"Do you like BMWs?"Wants to know if your a gold diggers so you answer no.
"What do you do for a living?" Wants to know how much money you have so answer no.
"Do you work out? Means that you're fat and you should be working out, so you say no.
If they ask if you like their shirt, you say no because they are really asking if your materialistic.

If this ask you out on a date say NO because your head will explode having to translate this all night. Its a language called man-ese. If they throw something at you that you you can't translated take a deep breath and say, I DON"T UNDERSTAND very loudly. This backfires sometimes because they think your dumb and easy and really put on the pressure. Also you have to change the tone of "no' a lot . Say it brightly, while staring at your hands like a automaton because if you are anyway coming off as an aloof bitch, they will think your playing hard to get and really dig in their heels in after you. Do not be artificial , make this robotic parroting of the word no as authentic as possible. If they think you're a poser they will stop at nothing to get you into a relationship for the wrong reason.

Things that can go wrong:

I was out riding a few days ago and came a bend in the trail and there was a man there sitting on a horse. He looked like the poster child for the White Brotherhood. Big muscles, tall, shaved head all these tats. Even his horse looked like it could bar room brawl, this huge black scarred up stallion. He has a side arm so maybe he will feel safe, so if I just sort knee my horse forward and sidle past maybe it will be okay.. BUT>>>>> Because he startled me I accidentally made eye contact, and immediately panicked. (me not him) He puts one hand behind his head and the other on his hip and bats his eyelashes at me. "I'm very sensitive," he says.

HOLY COW. What does THAT mean. It's not translating. So I stare down at my boobs and wait because maybe he will go away. (Men dont' have to look at my boobs while we're talking I do it for them. If they try to look at my boobs they will only see the top of my head. If their tall enough.) I keep subtly gigging Indy to move forward but he will only go to where I'm looking at which is somewhat impossible unless he climbs down my shirt. So I'm stuck. I can't risk making eye contact again because clearly this man has no idea what he's gotten into. Finally he leans over and taps me on the shoulder and says "Are you okay?"

WHAAAAAAA? What sorta question is that?The translator has completely collapsed and I'm aghast, I can already see my hands turning red with his life fluid. So I say "I don't speak mane-ese," dig my heels and bolt off down the trail.

So I ran into him again today out in the woods. But there was another trail splitting off in the other direction so hurried down it. He shouts after, "Hey hang on a second I want to talk to you?"

OMG NOT AGAIN. He's not even speaking manese anymore. Wants to talk to me? Wait that's what they say after sex, right? NO. After sex they DON"T want to talk you.

Oh gawd i"m such a dumbass and so bad at this. Wait. It's coming to me....."Hang on a second, I want to talk to you." has something to do with paying bills doesn't it?No it means you spent too much money.

DAMN, I cant' do this its too confusing. I'm damned if I do and damned if I dont'. oh wait....Now I know what it means!!! So I look over my shoulder and yell," I don't want to marry you. '

I don't get it , I'm such a nice person and men just think I'm a lunatic no matter how hard I try.


You always have awesome posts 9eagle9 ...
Hehe I'm a "nice" guy when it comes to the ladies .... which basically means <<---loser! to most women -- or at least the ones that I can get some simple immediate gratification from. The whole thing is a weird balancing act. Men and women really just need to be a lot more transparent about things - especially men. If all you want is a lay .. just say it for crying out loud, that way you don't have to worry about hurting anyone. More honest transparency either way would be good for the communication of both sexes in my opinion.

[craig mitchell]

@9eagle9,

Your "Chapter 5 summary and excerpt" was so good it made me squirm! Thanks for the extreme creativity!

Regards, Craig

[Teakai]

I can't remember where I heard it, but it made me laugh.

"When a group of males come together - their brain falls out."



Edit to add - thinking on it - it could have been about adolescent males.

[Mostafa]

I believe there's a time at hand, when more and more women will be the leaders of the nations on Earth. then there'll be no war or famine:)

[Lord Sidious]

I believe there's a time at hand, when more and more women will be the leaders of the nations on Earth. then there'll be no war or famine:)

Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir says you are wrong.
It isn't the leaders we are being manipulated by, it is the banksters.

[Mostafa]

I believe there's a time at hand, when more and more women will be the leaders of the nations on Earth. then there'll be no war or famine:)

Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir says you are wrong.
It isn't the leaders we are being manipulated by, it is the banksters.

By women I meant the side of human nature that cares for earth as a mother does. men had their chance. this is where we are.

[Lord Sidious]

I believe there's a time at hand, when more and more women will be the leaders of the nations on Earth. then there'll be no war or famine:)

Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir says you are wrong.
It isn't the leaders we are being manipulated by, it is the banksters.

By women I meant the side of human nature that cares for earth as a mother does. men had their chance. this is where we are.

Don't let the clerics in Iran hear you! :p

[Anchor]

"When a group of males come together "

I thought that was only in films ;)

[Lord Sidious]

"When a group of males come together "

I thought that was only in films ;)

Now that is very naughty. :p

[christian]

Is all the world a stage for provocative self promotion?

It's whatever you choose it to be, isn't it?
I figure there's more to it.

Why do you raise the question in this context anyways?

[OnyxKnight]

Margaret Thatcher :O

I was thinking of somebody a bit less, politics-involved :).


She'd have to be disabled too.

That too! lol

[red_rose]

Do you know from a female perspective, personally, I don't think there is anything scarier than a group of men together.

Even if they all have an element of tenderness within, the need to fit in and belong to the group seems to outweigh this sensitivity and then they succumb to the group mentality. That's when it gets scary.

I guess if guys could harness their 'courage' and allow their tenderness to flow then this would break the dynamic and mob mentality.

It takes strength to allow yourself to be 'weak'.

That's my 2 cents on how to break the group dynamic, when a mob of men becomes insane:

Being tender in a mob situation can easily be seen as a weakness and backfire badly.

Achieving something by being tender amongst a mob is possible, but takes a lot of expertise. It reminds me of a scene where Buddha calms down someone, who was about to kill him. The guy said "Hey stop!", when Buddha replied "Ok." but walked on. The guy said "You don't stop, stop walking!", when Buddha replied "I stopped *insert buddhist concepts of wrongdoings here*, but you didn't, you will be haunted and killed by men for your crimes or haunted by your deeds and be full of sorrow when you die alone, so stop what you are doing" ... the story goes it worked out for Buddha and the guy became his disciple. Pretty similar to Credo Mutwa's story, when the necklace of mysteries was stolen and he was kidnapped and scared the folks, by telling them that their deeds make them sick and they are about to die "****ting like a dog" when they kill him.

These examples show that their asses weren't saved by talking about sweet and tender love. Getting in their face verbally, making them realize what fruits their deeds will bear, seems like a good first approach. And for ultima ratio get physical, the moral highground is a major factor for the outcome of a conflict, because it brings support by the universal force, as even the classic "Art of War" by Sun Tzu states. When guys behave like a pack of wild wolves you just gotta become the alpha leader.

Or as Alex Jones would say, "I could take on 20 people right now, because I'm in the right!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNAn5OWBGY).

One time, when I got into a fight at a party, when a friend of mine got punched and I got between him and the other one, telling the attacker to calm down, I let the guy hit me 2 times in the face while reaching out to offer him a handshake to settle it but showing no reaction to the punches, he was just baffled and realized he couldn't take me down if he tried, that pretty much calmed him down, I was quite fired up inside but restrained from hitting him, because the situation was that he was part of gang and intellectually I figured I didn't want to start some kind of gang war, so it was a worthwile experience to see, that this can work as well. He actually invited me to drink wodka with him after a short time walking up and down shaking his head wondering how this could happen and hugged me as he went off, turning around like he saw a ghost.

A friend once told me a story where he and some friends were about to get into a fight with a much larger group, when one of his friends smashed a bottle on his own head just like that, which made the others leave the scene.

I don't find the proper words to summarize the point of these 2 incidents, but I think you can get the meaning between the lines.

Your story has stayed with me, I'm still thinking about it.

That was such a noble and brave thing to do!!!

red_rose

[Ecnal61]

when a man is younger there will always be lots of sparring and chest puffing just to try and establish there place in an animal like way within there social groups,as for male feminine sides maybe it could have something to do with a previous life as a woman,iv often felt i was possibly a woman before[though im all man now ggrrrr] and why not eh! after all we have all had many many previous lives so what if the previous one for a man was as a woman. p.s i dont wear dresses.

[9eagle9]

I don't care if men are mobbing in a jack the lad sort of way. It's amusing. You either learn to have fun with it, put it in perspective or become a victim of it. I get picked on by the male mob mentality all the time, I'm a magnet for it and its all mostly just teasing and trying to get a reaction from you. They want attention. If you listen carefully you get an entirely different perspective of yourself and..... If they dish it out one presumes their willing to take it. If they can't they should have though of that before they opened a can of worms they are ill prepared to fish with.

When they get mean,and/or aggressive on a one on one personal level, that's different. That's predatory. That's usually men who are used to have a woman kowtowing to them. And remember ladies we taught them that by not honoring ourselves.

I have said so many times to those sorts of men when they call me a bitch , "Armed with the knowledge , you come roaring in anyway fully knowing what is going to transpire between us?"

So exactly is the idiot here? Not me....la la la

[craig mitchell]

[/Quote]Margaret Thatcher and Golda Meir says you are wrong.
It isn't the leaders we are being manipulated by, it is the banksters.[/QUOTE]

margaret and golda (no capital letters) are just good old boys in skirts. Remove your money from any bankster activity and put it in a local place, then find their addresses, pull 'em out of their homes and incarcerate them until we can decide what to do with the creeps.

Regards, Craig.

[christian]

Your story has stayed with me, I'm still thinking about it.

That was such a noble and brave thing to do!!!

red_rose

To put it in perspective, I had good intentions but wasn't that smart, I guess.

In Aikido, which consists of defensive moves only, they want to bring the opponent into a position in which he can realize the futility of his endeavour. They got very many grabs and other techniques to counter an attack, yet letting yourself being hit is not among them, I am tempted to think that their ways are somehow more elegant...

[noprophet]

Masculine and feminine being fairly relative terms with a breadth of interpretation form one to another I am curious - what do people believe to be the aspects of the masculine / feminine?

Where do logistic interpretation and emotional resonance fit in?

In my experience the only real difference I've gathered is that women tend to be more emotionally involved in their environments where as men tend to be more calculated. (e.g. men - things have reasons / women - things have meanings). Hence if thought is created via association patterns you see that the main difference in men and women at this point is one of focus. The man focusing on function and the woman focusing on feeling. If the feeling is an energetic association and the function the purpose of the thing; it makes sense that the feminine suffered greatly in very mechanical Newtonian minded world. But with the rise of the new age we see new physics starting to heavily undermine this approach via quantum mechanics... Coincidence?

[red_rose]

Masculine and feminine being fairly relative terms with a breadth of interpretation form one to another I am curious - what do people believe to be the aspects of the masculine / feminine?

Where do logistic interpretation and emotional resonance fit in?

In my experience the only real difference I've gathered is that women tend to be more emotionally involved in their environments where as men tend to be more calculated. (e.g. men - things have reasons / women - things have meanings). Hence if thought is created via association patterns you see that the main difference in men and women at this point is one of focus. The man focusing on function and the woman focusing on feeling. If the feeling is an energetic association and the function the purpose of the thing; it makes sense that the feminine suffered greatly in very mechanical Newtonian minded world. But with the rise of the new age we see new physics starting to heavily undermine this approach via quantum mechanics... Coincidence?

Wonderfully put noprophet!

The more I think about gender characteristics and gender energy the more confused I get. But I guess the more confused I get, the closer to the answer I get....order out of chaos....fingers crossed :)

I enjoyed reading your perspective. Food for thought :)

red_rose

[red_rose]

Your story has stayed with me, I'm still thinking about it.

That was such a noble and brave thing to do!!!

red_rose

To put it in perspective, I had good intentions but wasn't that smart, I guess.

In Aikido, which consists of defensive moves only, they want to bring the opponent into a position in which he can realize the futility of his endeavour. They got very many grabs and other techniques to counter an attack, yet letting yourself being hit is not among them, I am tempted to think that their ways are somehow more elegant...

There's always better ways we could have done things as there are worst ways. But it was still an extremely noble and brave act. Maybe your courage just outshone your wisdom, but wisdom was no less, just courage was more.

Does that make sense? Rambling.........

[Teakai]

"When a group of males come together "

I thought that was only in films ;)

Certain films.


Pure fantasy of course ;)