Help ... Alternative to Prozac needed

[Patience]

Hi all ,

A friend of mine has just been prescribed Prozac by his 'lovely .. Understanding ' doctor, I've told him nooo please don't take it but I can't find any articles as to why not nor do I know what to advise him to take instead , I just know he shouldn't go down the Prozac route. He is attuned to reiki and does try to meditate but problems in life are starting to take over and he's losing his way spiritually ... His words not mine ... How can I help him to make an informed decision re. Prozac ???

Many thanks in advance

P x

[FrankoL]

try with cashews, much better than Prozac. Google it and read why.

[Patience]

Thank you ... Just found some info xx

[Seikou-Kishi]

Fluoxetine, known by the brand name Prozac, is a certain class of anti-depressant called a Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor, which works by preventing serotonin being taken back once it has been used as a neurotransmitter by the 'sending neuron' across a synapse. In this way, the intended effect of SSRIs is the gradual build up of serotonin in the brain.

SSRIs are selective because of the class of neurotransmitter upon which they act, not because of the place in which they act. Common side-effects of fluoxetine include the effects of serotonin build up in other parts of the body, namely in the intestine and in the circulatory system, where it is also found. Serotonin is used in the intestines to tone the surface of the intestines ('serotonin' literally means 'toning serum') and the imbalance caused can cause diarrhoea and constipation; it is also used in the circulatory system, where it is picked up from the blood plasma by platelets, which release it upon detection of a cut, thereby restricting the blood vessels and minimising blood loss. When serotonin builds up throughout the entire circulatory systems, it causes a similar constriction of the blood vessels because the volume of the blood vessels has shrunk in relation to the volume of the blood. Fluoxetine can therefore increase blood pressure — even so far as causing congestive heart failure.

Also, because serotonin plays a part in the circadian rhythm, being naturally scarce within the brain upon waking and building to a maximum before sleep (hence why a lot of depressed people do all-nighters), fluoxetine, in preventing the re-absorption of serotonin can interfere with the ability to fall asleep, causing insomnia.

Now, frankly, I consider SSRIs to be a somewhat barbaric and unrefined way in which to manage a problem like depression, because it removes the brain's ability to manage it's own chemistry. There are other classes of anti-depressants you might prefer, such as receptor cell antagonists — these anti-depressants work by taking the place of the scarce serotonin, &c., and leave the body just as quickly. This simply fills in the neurochemical defficiencies, without 'forcing the brain's hand', so to speak. Chemicals in this class include the tetracyclic antidepressant mirtazapine and the drug cocaine.

There are other ways to manage the problem, especially if serotonin defficiency is the problem (which is indicated by the fact that an SSRI was prescribed). One way is through the use of tryptophan supplements and a diet rich in tryptophan, such as eggs. Tryptophan is an essential fatty acid which is used to create serotonin, and serotonin defficiency may be indicative of a lack of trytophan. Increasing the amout of tryptophan in the body does not pose any of the problems the SSRIs can create, because the presence of tryptophan does not necessitate that it is made into serotonin by the body. Supplying tryptophan allows the body to create what it needs and your friend's body will create only as much as it needs.

Here is a link to a search of websites selling tryptophan supplements in the UK:
http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&source=hp&q=tryptophan+supplements+uk&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=24d746f4244251fa&biw=1332&bih=602

And here is a link to a website with a list of foods with high tryptophan content:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/247974-list-of-foods-high-in-tryptophan/

Warning: tryptophan supplements should not be used in conjunction with SSRIs like fluoxetine; it can cause serotonin syndrome, even coma — that's if it doesn't stop the heart first... ah, these drugs are clearly designed to make people better *cringes*

[Lefty Dave]

It's made from fluoride...a known rat poison....need I say more ?? If he's losing his way spiritually, then find a spiritual alternative ....IMHO...blessings.

[Patience]

Thank you so much...you know how hard it is to convince people that still asleep.....at least he's just awakening and so will hopefully look at the info I send to him xxx

[Taurean]

I've found 'St Johns Wort' far more effective than any fluoride based product.

[New Dawn]

Hi all ,

A friend of mine has just been prescribed Prozac by his 'lovely .. Understanding ' doctor, I've told him nooo please don't take it but I can't find any articles as to why not nor do I know what to advise him to take instead , I just know he shouldn't go down the Prozac route. He is attuned to reiki and does try to meditate but problems in life are starting to take over and he's losing his way spiritually ... His words not mine ... How can I help him to make an informed decision re. Prozac ???

Many thanks in advance

P x

Fist off, if your friend is not a part of this forum, suggest him joining and mixing here - it really can help. I've never met a fellow 'A' - not yet anyway, but its helped me in some of my darkest days - one in particular that has given me a new connection with this place.

My older brother has been does to the eyeballs with Prozac, and many other things over the years. It turned him into a zombie. Its better to feel than to go down that route.

homeopathic remedies for depression may be an answer. I used think it was all wishy-washy crap, but they helped where my GP failed for two years 8not for depression, but still, I couldn't believe it worked when I had no faith in it). It was a last resort for me, and when it worked, it literally gave me another chance to be happy. In my case, I had flu like symptoms for two years - it made me so depressed that I became suicidal. My mum suggested I go see this guy, and I did out of desperation. 6 weeks later, I was healed.

I've been on my fair share of pills from the doc over the years - its not worth it. Having said this, I'm not a doctor, so take him to a homeopathic doctor, sit with him, and talk to the doctor to help your friend. It might be the solution.

Is it personal, or can you say a little more about what has happened to him to feel like this? If I can help, let me know :)

By the way, I've felt like your friend, i.e losing my spirituality, but I got through it, and your friend will too, just help him get him to come here - it helped me.

[Black Panther]

-St. John's Wort. Instead of the chemical poison it's better to use this natural medicin. Bringing sunlight into your soul.

http://www.healthreaction.com/images/Lichtwer_Pharma/lichtwerpharma-kira-st-johns-wort.jpg

- Sunlight. Don't wear sunglasses. Let the sun shine right in the eyes.

- Reading books of Eckhart Tolle is a very good 'medicin' too. Power of Now and A New Earth.

- Vitamin D3. When it's very cloudy.

Your friend has to accepts he's not that happy at the moment. By accepting he will change from within. By not accepting there will be another layer of feeling bad.

[New Dawn]

-St. John's Wort. Instead of the chemical poison it's better to use this natural medicin. Bringing sunlight into your soul.

http://www.healthreaction.com/images/Lichtwer_Pharma/lichtwerpharma-kira-st-johns-wort.jpg

- Sunlight. Don't wear sunglasses. Let the sun shine right in the eyes.

- Reading books of Eckhart Tolle is a very good 'medicin' too. Power of Now and A New Earth.

- Vitamin D3. When it's very cloudy.

Your friend has to accepts he's not that happy at the moment. By accepting he will change from within. By not accepting there will be another layer of feeling bad.

Better get it quick though. They're probably included onto the new 'off the shelves' list?

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eu_herbal_medicine_ban/?copy

[Flash]

5 HTP which is a tryptophan and will help the body create its own serotonine. When help is needed, it is much better than Prozac. Very hard to get off Prozac when you started. For deep depression, something is needed before the brain re-wires and forms pathways that facilitate depressive thinking/feelings, therefore re-wires itself into going into depression. 5 HTP would make it. However, 5 THP should be taken for a few months only, untill the mood is up again. IMHO, I am just a heavy reader, not a doctor, this is a friendly advice only.

I did use both, and believe me, it takes lots of will power to get off a seretonine re-uptake inhibitor, and a good year of terrible mood swings. Most people prefer to stay on the drug forever. None of that with 5 HTP. You can stop whenever you want. No moods swings.

I don't use either anylonger, balanced and proper foods makes it good.

PS: people in deep depression lose quite a lot of verbal abilities and emotional judgment abilities and will be hard to convince them (the brain is not working properly). So it does not give much to try to reason with them. However, one thing that builds serotonine in the brain very very fast is physical exercice. People who take anti-depressors relapse into depression, 40`% of them do, while only 5% of those that did exercice. Therefore you litterally push them out the door and make them run/ski/swim/etc. They won't want to do it, but it works much faster than Prozac (1 week of argument and pushing and they will be over - then keep pushing, but it will become less ardeous). I hope this helps.

[Patience]

Thank you all so much , I've ordered some things to help him xx

[Darla Ken Pearce]

What an amazing group and fabulous suggestions within this thread! And we are witnessing great wizards step up and out into the light where we can see them more clearly! How fabulous is that in ways that are being shared here! YIPPI-KI-A- KI-OH! Okay, well I can't spell my joy to see this happen but it's bubbling away as are you...

I was briefly given anti-depressants and was glad to get them when my thyroid went bananas and this affected my Central Nervous System. It took getting back and living closer to Mother Nature to fully overcome. The drugs made it bearable until I was able to get my body ~ physically ~ able to make this move back into the Forest. Why this happened is open to debate in my own mind but as we awaken many symptoms are actually those of ascension rather than medical conditions alone.

We are all our bodies combined; physical, mental, spiritual, Etheric and so forth with even more possibilities on many different dimensions that we aren't necessarily aware of right now. No part of ourselves is separate, that's an illusion.

I had to force myself out of the house, out into the backyard, out into fresh air, out into sunshine, and out into the world. You know in hindsight, I think it's because for at least five decades I made myself do things that were not the desire of my heart. Just obligations that I felt were required or necessary. They all involved someone elses dream and not mine.

Then I broke away for ten years and then I felt forced back into some mold that no longer could possibly fit. Not with a shoe horn or a bullwhip. I felt trapped again but without bars and windows on that old prison of ideas. Then all hell broke loose for a time until again, I was able to break free.

Everyday there was a battle to regain some balance I had lost for a time. Each step out of the matrix that brought me near a tree, a flower, a kind human being, or an animal is a step forward out...closer to our bliss. You can get there from here.

When I was suffering the worst of the depressive effects, someone came forward out of the mists to walk me through online ~ into a higher spiritually realm. And assisted me in this new journey that I found myself in for a time.

I was walked into a crystal temple of healing; and it gave me the most restorative powers of my spirit, soul, and body.

We are Masters of our own bodies and spirits and we need to realize what a great power that is....All of us are self-healing, many of us have forgotten or have grown rusty at this healing part or we have lost faith in our own gifts and talents to heal others as well. In truth, we all have these great gifts to share.

I found it helped to heal some of my animals who were injured and near at hand during those days. In this manner, we regain our bearings and remember these healing powers are there to heal all we come into contact with and even beyond. And by healing others, we always heal ourselves as well. It's an unheralded gift that becomes ours in the doing.

If your friend simply asks to be healed and gets that intent out there, it will come because we now live in the fullness of time itself. Our dreams are now coming true for "real" or "for reals" as my kids used to say it. Yes, all dreams are coming true now. ; ) xoxoxox

[MorgaineFallen]

Almonds and plenty of excersise. I have seen and experienced this. It works.
Love

[mauro_muller]

Prozac? Never.
Tell your friend to use EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) or afformations.
I use it frequently and the effects are always positive.
Now, meditate is always important.

I'm from Brazil and my English is more or less.

Bye
Mauro

[DeDukshyn]

http://www.aor.ca/html/products.php?catid=59

Select a natural health product to get more info, and note the tabs on the product page - there will be some research info on the "Research" and "abstracts" tabs -- use the info there to help make a decision on natural health products if you choose; all info is based on peer reviewed studies and trials. A well balanced diet of whole foods is a must for proper mood, as well as sun and/or vitamin D. Exercise can also be highly beneficial - especially if absent. I suffered some bad depression once - but it was just a part of my awakening experience and now I appreciate the contrast that I couldn't then. Good luck!

Edit: Inositol (a B vitamin-like polyol) and the Tryfonia (5-HTP) are best bets in my opinion.

[Luke Moody]

Hey folks love this thread....need help coming off anit depressants...tried in the past but to no avail...any suggestions?
thank you

[astrid]

Fish oil is another one, excellent for depression.

@ Luke, try weaning yourself off SLOWLY, over 6 or 8 weeks, at the same time start taking Vitamin D3, 6- 8000 IUs per day.

Both fish oil and D3 are excellent for the brain.

Also Exercise is a great one to replace Anti- D's with.

Its sort of a matter of finding something else,
non pharma to replace it with, that gives u a MUCH better chance of coming off and staying off.

Last time i was on Anti- D's, when we came to Spring here, i simply stopped talking them.

Sunlight is a BIG one for me. I ALWAYS got the winter blues EVERY year.

Took me a while to work that out , its actually pretty common, and the remedy is D3.

( look up Seasonal Affective Disorder , S.A.D).

Now i take D3 every winter, and no more SADs.

But for sure the exercise component is our own natural anti- depressant,
our brain has all the chemicals we need , actually, its just working out how to release them.

[Lily de Cuir]

Get him some organite, spread all through the house and one to keep in his pocket at all times, when sleeping, put it under the pillow.

Lily

[sunnyrap]

If you're looking for a healthier pill alternative, I can heartily recommend a product called 'Tranquil Mind' made by Banyan Botanicals. It is an Ayurvedic formula free of side effects or any negative effects that I've discovered. You can read about and buy it here (no, I'm not an agent, just a happy user when I was way too frazzled): http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1101

Another quicker, easier to find, very effective herbal for calming the nerves is St. John's Wort. If you can find it compounded with Kava Kava and Camomile, even better--and it generally runs less than $10.

[Arrowwind]

The first thing I would recommend is a check of vitamin D3 levels. Low levels can lead to depression. Most people need 5,000 iu a day.

Most of the body's seratonin is produced in the gut. So I would work to inhance gut flora, and supplement with B vitamins, including injections of B12.

According to Philip Bate PHD he found that much depression can be cured with right diet and a multivitamin and extra B supplements.
Situational depression, because your life is not going as you would like responds well to behavior modification... don't like your life? develop stratigies to change it and then do it.

also consider exercise... find someone to exercise with to assist in motivation and companionship

I would never never never take prozac or any of the other anti depressants. many have black box warnings.

here is a link to Bate's free ebook http://www.acrobatplanet.com/non-fictions-ebook/pdf-ebook-health-revolution-philip-bate-phd.html (http://www.acrobatplanet.com/non-fictions-ebook/pdf-ebook-health-revolution-philip-bate-phd.html)

Another supplement to look at is GABA

[andrewgreen]

Tell him to go to a Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner, even better if you can find one who specialises in depression.

[Black Panther]

- Excercise is a great way to get rid of the bad feelings. I forgot about that one, but it's very important. The brain will produce serotine.

- Another one I forgot is going to a wellness resort. Relaxing is very important. When you feel bad there is a lot of tension in the body, so by losing tension you start feeling better. Get a good massage too. Especially someone who knows about chakra's!


( look up Seasonal Affective Disorder , S.A.D).

Now i take D3 every winter, and no more SADs.

- That´s a nice one. SAD in the wintertime :) Yes, I like spring too!


Fish oil is another one, excellent for depression.
- That's oil for the brain.

- A good book of Dr. David-Schreiber:
http://www.instincttoheal.org/

No more sleeping 3D doctors. We can heal ourselves :cool:

[Patience]

Get him some organite, spread all through the house and one to keep in his pocket at all times, when sleeping, put it under the pillow.

Lily
to make

I have some organite in a pyramid but have also got the necessary equipment to make more...so this is a good idea xxx

[ndroock1]

Since your friend has been prescribed Prozac by a doctor we can safely assume he is showing signs of depression.

What we don't know is the cause of depression. Broken marriage? Death of a loved one? Or similar. Here time heals. Slowly, but it does. Is it foreclosure? Loss of a job? - Life is hard. The friends of your friend might be able to help. If there are no friends then he / she might not have given enough to deserve friends.

If there is no clear reason for the depression, i.e. friend is married, has children, job, friends, hobbies, etc. then I would simply follow doctor's orders. Give the SSRI a chance. It may be a chemical imbalance after all.

[MariaDine]

Hipericão - St. John's wort

An herb that substitues Prozac.


http://wn.com/Hypericum_Perforatum


http://www.amoryn.com/tg_prozac.html

[dan i el]

Inositol powder has showed great promise in trials out performing an array of SSRI's in terms of treating depression. it is a form of B vitamin and actually good for the body too as a supplement. Have a look on youtube.

edit) Pm me and I can send you a link to a good supplier in the UK where i bought it from

[lightwalker]

www.earthclinic.com (http://www.earthclinic.com)

....for anyone interested in taking care of themselves...

lightwalker

[enfoldedblue]

A great article on depression from Natural News which supports most of the suggestions here and add some new ones like colloidal gold. I'm a fan of colloidal gold and so have also included an article on that.

http://www.naturalnews.com/032243_depression_chemical_imbalance.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/032243_depression_chemical_imbalance.html

Good luck to your friend,

LOVE ALLways, c

[Sloppyjoe]

Alternative to Prozac would be exercise.

[MariaDine]

Hipericão - St. John's wort

An herb that substitues Prozac.


http://wn.com/Hypericum_Perforatum


http://www.amoryn.com/tg_prozac.html

Did you find some ?
Namasté

http://www.raysahelian.com/stjohn.html

http://www.stjohnwort.net/

[Cigan Mojia]

Hi all ,

A friend of mine has just been prescribed Prozac by his 'lovely .. Understanding ' doctor, I've told him nooo please don't take it but I can't find any articles as to why not nor do I know what to advise him to take instead , I just know he shouldn't go down the Prozac route. He is attuned to reiki and does try to meditate but problems in life are starting to take over and he's losing his way spiritually ... His words not mine ... How can I help him to make an informed decision re. Prozac ???

Many thanks in advance

P x

"The Dark Night of the Soul is a lonely painful process in which consciousness is clouded by uncertainty to unravel the entanglements of ego within the self..."
http://www.drpokea.com/darknightsoul.html

[HaveBlue]

This is a matter that is deadly serious. Not just another 'how to remove stains' from such and such. It is well beyond the scope of avalon forums.
Personal responsibility is key here. Nobody and no thing (as in some magic pill) is going to fix you. You will do this yourself.

1st and foremost. Proper food, proper sleep. Don't eat junk food and don't think junk thoughts.

Everybody is different in how they recover. Welcome to earth, it is a depressing place! It is also filled with joy and wonder.

The good news is that it will not last forever-even if it seems that way.
You will need to see why or what triggered it and you will have to make the changes (if need be)

In the interests of fairness, it is vital you take every opinion here with a grain of salt, no matter how well meaning. (yes, even this one!)
What these people have 'heard' or 'read' somewhere' is really just advertising for those with something for sale. And then there are the sciolists.

It is not easy. there is no 'quick fix'. After years of knowing those with this and having had it myself many times, what works for some does not work for others.
Attitude is everything. Having too much time on your hands is a problem. People need a purpose and if they sit around all day they don't have one.

Look, this is a huge topic, and one that you yourself will treat. Like myself, once you learn the tools needed, you will be better than ever. Because you will know what extreme sadness is you will know also when you are happy! Alot confuse this state and even call it boredom. You will know otherwise. It can in fact be a gift and a blessing in disguise in many ways. you learn appreciation for the simplest of things, and compassion for all life etc... well I did, but like I said, we are all different.

You can PM me if you like and I will spend the time to answer. Here and now is not the time nor place. If posts are too long I don't read them myself, and I want this one to be read, even by those with little time to read it.

[ulli]

A depressed person needs to be taken by the hand. Given love and sensitivity.
Not pushed, nor coerced.
It's a tricky illness when it's a chemical imbalance.
One negative thought follows the next.
Someone needs to be around and put on their favorite music, as they won't do it for themselves.
Excercise does work, but it is easier said than done...it helps a lot, but when people are depressed they don't want to do anything, let alone excercise.
Depression is like an implosion of the spirit...even the spiral in the DNA gets squashed and the little lights go out.
Happiness returns when several things get straightened out:
"Good news" like a lottery win would change someone who is depressed in a flash, but after a while that wears off, too.
Self esteem and self knowledge and a sense of purpose and direction will make a person well.
Also the knowledge that the universe is good, and then nurture that knowledge.
If that is not possible, then medicines are needed...herbs only help up to a point...like mild depression.
There are many better drugs that Prozac now, less side effects, faster, more effective.

[TWINCANS]

Of course, music soothes and uplifts. Exercise helps, as does a practice like tai chi, yoga etc. Looking into the cause of the depression is called for, clearly. But that can take time. Understanding that the issues around us are enough to make anyone depressed is also quite real.

Another pill-type if that's what he'll feel more comfortable with is PNT200 from Immunotec. Like taking hot milk to relax. It's actually made from milk. It's gentle an safe.

I prefer though to get dried herbs and make a tea. Any of the nervines will actually do, let him look them up to see if there's something he should not personally have due to another condition. Let him be commonsense about that.

Buy him a book about household herbals, let him take responsibilty for his choices of 'helpers'. The plants are our friends and are not to be afraid of, as the ptb try to make us. (oh, they are as strong as drugs and can harm us...) Not true. The plants have the full spectrum of 'active ingredient' and a multitude of 'soothing, integrating' agents to help avoid side effects, built right in. It's when they take only the active ingredient without the adjuncts that you have trouble. (And that's when they use 'live' ingredients. Let's not even think about when they use pure chemicals, such as he's contemplating ingesting.)

I personally buy the herbs totally simple, just by the pound or whatever, not expensive. I put a tbsp or a bit more per herb (sometimes he might combine so a tbsp each) in a small pot, and pour boiling water over, then let it sit for 15 min. , strain and drink. Do 3x per day.

Choices of anti-depressive herbs are: (from a book by David Hoffman)
St. Johns Wort (as many have already said, a basic)
Damiana
Ginseng
Kola
Lady's Slipper
Lavender
Lime Blossom
Oats,
Rosemary
Skullcap (a fave of mine)
Valerian (yecky taste)
Vervain (also excellent)
I would also add Wood Betony (another fave of mine)

These are from the traditional European herbals (except ginseng) as I have a past life memory of using them. There are also wonderful Chinese and ayervedic plant remedies that I do not know. Maybe some else here has that specialty?

Taking control of one's own process is a great remedy in its self. You're so busy learning and researching and doing things that you don't have time to be depressed. Also it occurs to me did he take his attunement recently because there will be a need to release many previous thoughtforms. He may just be processing, following the attunement. If so, this too shall pass.


Best wishes and love to you both during this interesting time.

Can prozac offer all that?

[TWINCANS]

A depressed person needs to be taken by the hand. Given love and sensitivity.
Not pushed, nor coerced.
It's a tricky illness when it's a chemical imbalance.
One negative thought follows the next.
Someone needs to be around and put on their favorite music, as they won't do it for themselves.
Excercise does work, but it is easier said than done...it helps a lot, but when people are depressed they don't want to do anything, let alone excercise.
Depression is like an implosion of the spirit...even the spiral in the DNA gets squashed and the little lights go out.
Happiness returns when several things get straightened out:
"Good news" like a lottery win would change someone who is depressed in a flash, but after a while that wears off, too.
Self esteem and self knowledge and a sense of purpose and direction will make a person well.
Also the knowledge that the universe is good, and then nurture that knowledge.
If that is not possible, then medicines are needed...herbs only help up to a point...like mild depression.
There are many better drugs that Prozac now, less side effects, faster, more effective.


I loved everything up to the drugs comment. Can you please go into that for us? Open minds abound here, truly, but I admit right up front that try as I might I cannot see drugs for depression. There are too many studies saying that there is no noticeable improvement in the condition, and scary side effects like violent behaviour.
But that being said, I do not understand the issue of a 'chemical imbalance needing drugs'.

[loveandgratitude]

Everything listed here by all these enlightened souls is absolutely wonderful and very helpful to anyone suffering from depression.

One thing that stuck out from the rest and the easiest to do is EXERCISE, MOVEMENT.

DEPRESSION = MOVEMENT OF ANY KIND. Along with supplements, VItamins etc as many here have suggested.

Also perhaps some creative activity. Painting is good, to release whatever is making you depressed, music, gardening , fresh air, exercise in nature, walking etc.

So many wonderful and incredible people here offering wonderful suggestions, try to get your friend to view this thread.

http://www.healingdepressionkit.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/freedom-480x360.jpg

[ulli]

I'll try. Severe cases are something the public doesn't know much about, but if you have friends in the medical profession, ask them about the symptoms of severe deression, like multiple suicide attempts.

So then someone in the family insists they get attention, and the doctor or psychiatrist prescribes anti depressant drugs.
The drugs take normally 22 days to start taking effect, and during this period the patient is still suffering and perhaps losing patience with everything...during this period the depression is still very acute...so there is danger of suicide attempts.
It is from these cases that the bad reputation of antidepressants originates. Also when someone tries to go off the drugs and doesnt follow doctors orders, and stops taking them too fast, then there is danger...
I have only had to take tablets once for depression, following my mother's death, when I just couldnt function...
I didn't like the feeling they gave me when they took effect; I felt a certain numbness, but each day I was doing more creative work, gardening, walking, then planning, until finally designed and made a whole collection of costume jewelry...some of my best designs came out of that period. I was surprised...
Since then I lost my prejudice against them, although I still wouldn't take them just because I feel down for a few days.

[TWINCANS]

I'll try. Severe cases are something the public doesn't know much about, but if you have friends in the medical profession, ask them about the symptoms of severe deression, like multiple suicide attempts.

So then someone in the family insists they get attention, and the doctor or psychiatrist prescribes anti depressant drugs.
The drugs take normally 22 days to start taking effect, and during this period the patient is still suffering and perhaps losing patience with everything...during this period the depression is still very acute...so there is danger of suicide attempts.
It is from these cases that the bad reputation of antidepressants originates. Also when someone tries to go off the drugs and doesnt follow doctors orders, and stops taking them too fast, then there is danger...
I have only had to take tablets once for depression, following my mother's death, when I just couldnt function...
I didn't like the feeling they gave me when they took effect; I felt a certain numbness, but each day I was doing more creative work, gardening, walking, then planning, until finally designed and made a whole collection of costume jewelry...some of my best designs came out of that period. I was surprised...
Since then I lost my prejudice against them, although I still wouldn't take them just because I feel down for a few days.


That feeling you had of being numb is exactly how a friend of mine described it and she also stopped them as soon as she felt ok to do that. Interestingly, she was a geriatric nurse and often administered 'meds' to the patients. She subsequently felt uncomfortable doing so.

The only experience I have with severely depressed people is when I trained in crystal therapy, that we were never to activate the root chakkra, due to danger of suicide. The root chakkra is blocked in this kind of person suffering 'severe depression leading to possible suicide'

Apparently, this blockage of he root chakkra can actually be passed from one generation to the next. So maybe tackling the root chakkra issues and attempting to help the person unblock it. But remember that the person might also have to holographically remove a parent's blackage first. Tricky.

[Dawn]

Here's another one that no one mentioned. How old is your friend? Men and women over 50 often have problems with an imbalance of too much estrogen. Estrogen will make you very emotional... weepy... irritable... and depressed. Just think of a woman just before her period and you get the idea of what this strong hormone will do. It does not help that many plastics out-gas something similar to a synthetic estrogen. Just think how much plastic you come in contact with daily in food containers and in products we all use. So.... a really simple and fast acting solution is progesterone cream. This is applied to your skin and as the progesterone enters the blood stream, will balance an overabundance of estrogen. This works so well that you should see results within 30 minutes of applying it. My body is 60 years old now and this little trick has been really helpful for the past 10 years... also for my friends, both men and women.

[ktlight]

Hi all ,

A friend of mine has just been prescribed Prozac by his 'lovely .. Understanding ' doctor, I've told him nooo please don't take it but I can't find any articles as to why not nor do I know what to advise him to take instead , I just know he shouldn't go down the Prozac route. He is attuned to reiki and does try to meditate but problems in life are starting to take over and he's losing his way spiritually ... His words not mine ... How can I help him to make an informed decision re. Prozac ???

Many thanks in advance

P x

What is the diagnosis?

[LesliesFarm]

There is a wealth of info on the Internet that is negative about Prozac. Dump it in his lap and fast. Mercola.com has lots of great advice on alternative means of overcoming depression and they work quickly. Prozac takes at least 2 weeks to start "helping". Also have your friend watch "Run From the Cure" about Rick Simpson - it is free on youtube. There is a woman who has written a book and has many testimonials on youtube which would also help your friend. She was a Big Pharma sales rep and talks about how "mental health drugs" are meant to be adicting and turn people into regular customers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AazObF_pHSU Good Luck!


Hi all ,

A friend of mine has just been prescribed Prozac by his 'lovely .. Understanding ' doctor, I've told him nooo please don't take it but I can't find any articles as to why not nor do I know what to advise him to take instead , I just know he shouldn't go down the Prozac route. He is attuned to reiki and does try to meditate but problems in life are starting to take over and he's losing his way spiritually ... His words not mine ... How can I help him to make an informed decision re. Prozac ???

Many thanks in advance

P x

[onawah]

Fluoride is a big ingredient in Prozac. See:
http://www.greaterthings.com/Lexicon/F/Fluoride.htm

Also, SamE is also good for depression for some people (everyone is unique).
See:
http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sameart.html
Exercise, good diet, lots of good clean water are essential, and being out in Nature as much as possible is vital. Walking barefoot and lying on the ground regularly to let the Earth's healing energies flow through the body is a great way to relieve depression.

[onawah]

We Become Silent--the Last Days of Health Freedom
WOW! Must--see documentary! The first part deals with how Prozac remained on the market while L-tryptophane, a safe and cheap supplement that was much more effective, was ignored. Also much more about Codex and more. And a great article today from Food Freedom called E.coli and Radiation--Surprise! Surprise! which I've copied in a new thread of that name.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=451097355502728465

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=451097355502728465

[sshenry]

Seventeen years ago I spiraled down into a major depression due to a number of emotional/psychological and physical reasons. I was, of course, perscribed Prozac. Everyone knows the horror stories, so I won't go further into detail, but suffice it to say that I was very very VERY lucky to be able to find an alternative health practitioner who was willing to help me find a way out of the Prozac/Zoloft oubliette.

He used a combination of herbal supplements, exercise and a strict meditation regimen to help wean me off of the drugs. It's been 15 years since I've popped a prozac, and the daily meditation regimen has gone from being a medical 'fix' to something that has enriched my life in ways I can only begin to describe.

Please please PLEASE encourage your friend to look into consulting with an alternative health practitioner. A good alternative health practitioner will do a complete physical workup; complete with blood tests etc. and will perscribe the right combination of alternative methods that your body needs, because not every person benefits in the same way from the same combination of alternative methods, and what 'works like a charm' for one person, may not work at all for another.

Good luck!

[Marsila]

prozac should be banned for what it does to many people. I had a family member who took it and then got off, and believe me things were worst than before.

What your friend needs is a lot of love and patience from those around them (and you are providing that) and the foods that work are mixed nuts if they aren't allergic, and exercise. Find a sport he may enjoy and who knows go with them, must be fun for both. A healthy mind is in a healthy body, i tried it and so i believe it. maybe yoga or pilates as breathing techniques really do help a person feel better.

just no to any drug a psychiatrist gives, as it just messes with the chemical balance of the body. anyway that's what i can remember
and good luck with you friend feeling better.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Whatever you choose, please involve EXERCISE, lots of it every day. It will work after just a week or so(some effects will be felt immediately). It will naturally balance your hormonal/chemical levels.... was this not mentioned up until this point?????

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oh, yes....and this is why we read the whole thread :), sorry

[WhiteFeather]

Hey folks love this thread....need help coming off anit depressants...tried in the past but to no avail...any suggestions?
thank you
Ween yourself off of them first, i knew a friend that stopped them completely and had a violent effect....weening is the best...then go with almonds, st johns wort, eckhart tolle...good 3 steps there.

[DarMar]

He doesn't need any medication, he just need to realise that!

Love <3