Conformity as Psychological and Spiritual fulfilment- Societies Current

[Earth Draco]

This is a topic very close to my heart, as are all the topics about which I write..

I wish to elaborate on my feelings towards Religion and Bureaucracy in the Government and other such institutions for the masses.
Firstly I would like to start with a parable which I have read, it has inspired me to write on this topic and delve into the finer dynamics of the "Human Condition" which plagues society.

The Parable goes as follows (Many versions of this parable exist, so please excuse if if differs to what you have read) :

""There was a cage with several apes in it. In the cage there was a banana hung on a string, and stairs under it. Before long an ape went to the stairs to get the banana, but as soon as it even touched the stairs, all apes were sprayed with water. After a while the same ape or another one made another attempt, with the same result: all apes are sprayed. If later another ape tries to climb the stairs, the others will try to prevent it. Now they took one ape from the cage and put in a new one. The new ape saw the banana, and wanted to climb the stairs. To his horror all other apes attacked him. After another attempt he knew: if he wanted to climb the stairs, he would be beaten up. Then they removed a second ape and replaced it by another new one. The newcomer went to the stairs and got beaten up. The previous new ape took part in the punishment with enthusiasm. A third old ape was replaced by a third new one. The new one made it to the stairs and got beaten up as well. Two of the apes who beat him have no idea why they may not climb the stairs. They replace the fourth old ape, and the fifth, etc. until all apes which have been sprayed with water have been replaced. Nevertheless, no ape ever tries to climb the stairs. One day a new, young ape asks, "But Sir, why not?""Because that's the way we do things around here, my boy.""

This is very very common among humans, the only problem is, that we dont all see it, because we are the ones in the actual scenario and have no means of peering outside our cage of perspective and seeing the greater reasoning. We (The unenlightened and unawakened) are all stuck in a perspective of, "he is in power, so he must know what he is talking about." Which can be seen time and time again throughout all societies around the globe. I have read of a few articles where the average person is stopped on the side of a road or plaza in a city and asked questions, simple general knowledge questions relating to their government as well as the policies of their governments. Time and time again, most of these people do not have a clue about what is going on, either with half facts or no facts at all. This I find a surprise, because to me, I feel that one should know the environment in which we exist and operate, I try and live everyday with a heightened sense of focus and awareness.

Next, I would like to question, why do we follow religion? What are the fundamentals or why we need religion? (Bear in mind, that this has nothing to do with God, it is a merely to question mans perspective on the writings and culture behind religion) A very controversial one, however, if you are the follower of any of the mainstream religions, then you can adhere to the teachings of not getting angry or enraged at the question I have put forth, but rather answer in a calm manner. From the observers perspective, myself for one, I prefer to take the whole context of a situation into account, therefore I have indulged in many a history article as well as mythology and the likes, in order to gain a deeper insight into the reason behind peoples perspectives. Much like the parable about the monkeys, we too, follow things for reasons we do not even fully understand. I have found that most of the time, this fear is an inherent fear passed on by the mass consciousness or mass perspective, similar to that of group polarization. We don’t truly understand why we fear something; rather, we fear it because we were taught to fear it. Similarly, we fear things that we do not understand, a very common mistake made by many. In turn, we rely on a faith, faith can come in many ways, shapes and sizes, from simple rituals that make one feel as though they are carrying out an important way of life, without which the world around them would have no meaning, to the thought of "They are in power, they must know what they are talking about" or "Its worked for everybody up until now, they could not have been wrong" which many people feel. Most don’t even know why they believe in a certain thing, rather they try to justify it with the mentality of dont question, or you will be punished, have faith.
And so the circle makes a full swing right around to the beginning where it is imposed on the next generation.

In my opinion, unless people are able to grow into mature spiritual and psychological beings, where they are able to at a certain extent separate themselves from the global “Norm” and focus on spiritual self fulfilment, to the point where they are free of material needs that fill the gap which feeds ego, we are all doomed to be a slave race, a slave society, whereby the powerful still fight among each other and lead us blindly through this fake democratic system whereby we merely shift the chess pieces between powerful “factions” of the same organisation. This “organisation”, is not built of only people and buildings, it is the thought behind the system, which needs drastic change. Once we can separate from ego, to an extent, we will be able to have a better understanding of the spiritual connection that is in everything.

This is just a basic summary of the points I wish to bring forward, it’s been on my mind for quite some time now and I have written much about this, in my personal writings during my travels through various countries and having interviewed many people whom I know on a personal level, all of whom I have met during my spiritual journey, particularly a very good friend and mentor, she is a Belgian sociologist.

I would like to bring more points forward of the next few months as I continue my research.
I believe to look at something spiritually; one has to see the universe as a whole, because the spiritual energy is what fills everything.

If there are any spelling mistakes, please do forgive me, as I have typed this very quick as to get back to my other work.

[Maia Gabrial]

Yep, brainwashing at its best....

[Saul]

Not brain washing, just luring. Actually, yeah.. brain washing.

[9eagle9]

I don't know or rather I've about run dry on that sort of herd mentality but if you can tell me how to keep the cult recruiters out of my PM box I'd surely appreciate it.

I can save my own soul on my own thanks much.

[Carmody]

I don't know or rather I've about run dry on that sort of herd mentality but if you can tell me how to keep the cult recruiters out of my PM box I'd surely appreciate it.

I can save my own soul on my own thanks much.

Must be some other forum, this cult recruiters thing?

[Martin]

Welcome to the board!

Yes, the most useless behavior can become the norm or even part of "culture" itself and we are even trained to accept it. But at some point everything comes crashing down ... even the banana!

One should never confuse "god" with "religion". Simple as that, but it kind of took me a while to figure that one out.

And yes, in the end all is one.

MfG

Martin

[Jetsam]

This is indeed interesting.

I can understand why people choose conformity; because in conformity and all that is in implied with that, there is safety, safety in the form of habits and not thinking about life and your position towards it.
And it takes a great deal of understanding, intelligence, and in the end love, to break away from that safety.

The spiritual journey is aimed towards the understanding that you are a sovereign being. And that's a lot of responsibility!


These are my thoughts at the moment, and not intended to be a conclusion (It reads a bit like it) that I would like to push on anyone.

[9eagle9]

No this forum isn't immune to that sort of thing. None of them are.



I don't know or rather I've about run dry on that sort of herd mentality but if you can tell me how to keep the cult recruiters out of my PM box I'd surely appreciate it.

I can save my own soul on my own thanks much.

Must be some other forum, this cult recruiters thing?

[Teakai]

Hi Earth draco, I think people get into religion in this particular time because we are spiritual beings - and society as it's designed does little to cater for our spirituality and because people think that religion, supposedly being the area of the spirit, will fill that lack and longing within that's where they go.

[Flash]

I don't know or rather I've about run dry on that sort of herd mentality but if you can tell me how to keep the cult recruiters out of my PM box I'd surely appreciate it.

I can save my own soul on my own thanks much.

Must be some other forum, this cult recruiters thing?

They did not dare trying to recruit you Carmody, they see you could tare them to pieces easily. They just did not know or understand yet what 9eagle9 was about. LOL

The funniest thing is that it is Shadowstalker who thanks your post, do we call that synchronicity?

ps: sorry Shadowstalker for using your name to make fun of a situation.

[Flash]

Now the serious things: oh!!!

I think that religion could be excellent for educating developing human towards collaboration, respect, and to impose general rules of behaviors. They were a necessary step in human development, from the caveman les ruly behavior for example (althouhg this is a assumption) to now. The problems we had through milleniums with our religions is that they were unbalanced (barely any feminine), filled with lies and power hungry beings. However, when control is needed, this may happen.

Once the basic human behaviors are well into control, rid of the most animalistic sides, and rid of violence and thirst for destruction, the next step of development occurs and religion become, in my opinion, obsolete. We may, for a good part of humanity, be reaching this point.

But this also means no religion through politics, through anything that demands very strict adhesion to human organisations (cultish like). From what I have seen with the Atticus story, we still have a stretch to go.

[Teakai]

I just came across this video - and it put me in mind of this thread. This is insane. According to the guy doing the talk - they now have a vacinne against religious fundamentalism. Funvax - the fun isn't for fun, but for fundamentalist.

This is insane stuff:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nddL25RgrdA
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nddL25RgrdA

There is some information about the video here:http://funvax.wordpress.com/

Perhaps they ought to start work on a vacinne for idioctic control freak behaviours instead - they'd make the perfect test subjects.

[Martin]

"To turn a fanatic into a normal person."

Dang, how can someone talking over and looking at human brains all the time not start to use his own. Maybe he could use some help himself? I am sure there is something to inject, right?


MfG

Martin

[Earth Draco]

Thanks for this video, really does say a lot about peoples perception on a drug solves everything. Another way to solve a problem with control!
To the power players there is no middle point where the person is free to grow, there are only means of controlling what they deem as chaotic, the human personality.
There are no means of allowing people the proper education about self, everything to that extent, has been from alternative sources. And the majority of people have been under this blind obedience, just like in the parable I quoted, for so long, that even if the power players try to change the game plan, it wont work, people wont accept it. Could be the reason that they introduce this vaccine, they cant stop us from religion without major damage to there overall scheme of control, so they try and isolate and destroy it. Not knowing that if they instead grow it in the right direction, we could release infinite potential as a race.

Not saying that this is an "agenda" "they"
have, but on the grander scheme, it doesnt seem that far fetched when you look at current global norms and trends.

[Martin]

This reminds me about one video of the "TheAvantGuards" youtube channel in which they basically said that all conspiracy theories/ theorists are "induced" by to high levels of dopamine within the brain. Of course this is just ridiculous and you probably know what the "TheAvantGuards" guys turned out to be, am I right?

MfG

Martin

[Teakai]

"To turn a fanatic into a normal person."

Dang, how can someone talking over and looking at human brains all the time not start to use his own. Maybe he could use some help himself? I am sure there is something to inject, right?


MfG

Martin


On the bright side - it's a step up from actually removing chunks of people's brain like they used to do not that long ago with lobotomies. (I think they must have practised that on their own - the guy in the video shows definite signs ;) )

Having had a think about it - that vat 2 (?) gene they're talking about is likely something we all have. We just get excited about different things. Show a woman with a shoe fetish a pair of shoes and that area of her brain might light up as well. So, maybe the 'fun' part is for fun after all.

[Teakai]

This reminds me about one video of the "TheAvantGuards" youtube channel in which they basically said that all conspiracy theories/ theorists are "induced" by to high levels of dopamine within the brain. Of course this is just ridiculous and you probably know what the "TheAvantGuards" guys turned out to be, am I right?

MfG

Martin

I haven't heard of the avanteguard guys - but the idea definitely sounds ridiculous.

[Teakai]

Thanks for this video, really does say a lot about peoples perception on a drug solves everything. Another way to solve a problem with control!
To the power players there is no middle point where the person is free to grow, there are only means of controlling what they deem as chaotic, the human personality.
There are no means of allowing people the proper education about self, everything to that extent, has been from alternative sources. And the majority of people have been under this blind obedience, just like in the parable I quoted, for so long, that even if the power players try to change the game plan, it wont work, people wont accept it. Could be the reason that they introduce this vaccine, they cant stop us from religion without major damage to there overall scheme of control, so they try and isolate and destroy it. Not knowing that if they instead grow it in the right direction, we could release infinite potential as a race.

Not saying that this is an "agenda" "they"
have, but on the grander scheme, it doesnt seem that far fetched when you look at current global norms and trends.

Hi Earth Draco - the god of the OT didn't want us reaching our full potential - that's why he confounded the language and spread us out across the earth - as goes the story of the tower of Babel. If 'they' think it's a good idea to inject our brain to alter its function, then this version of God is possibly the one still in charge of this planet at the moment.

[Martin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX13wuGSUyk&feature=channel_video_title

This is the video I was referring to. It's made by a guy (or maybe a team) calling himself TheAvantGuards. He becam quit popular for his clips about possible occult symbols within music videos. He analyzed quit a bit of material and compared it primarily with masonic or satanic rituals/ symbols. Then after 18 parts or so he uploaded his last clip till to date making a 180° turn saying that there is nothing to see. No conspiracy,no symbols, nothing. I don't know if anything of this stuff is available with subtitles, but it might be worth the time. Can't say what I have to make of the guy (the TheAvantGuards-team though, they always seemed to be very allergic concerning all things religious. Well, make of it what you will.


MfG

Martin

[9eagle9]

Religions really became the bane when the morally intended portion veered off and the emphasis was on duality. Resulted in a speedy overgrowth of the ego. Human consciousness has experienced quite lot of shifts in our history, and they were most often accompanied by an overgrowth of ego. People claim we are in a consciousness shifting paradigm now and it scares me....lol.



Now the serious things: oh!!!

I think that religion could be excellent for educating developing human towards collaboration, respect, and to impose general rules of behaviors. They were a necessary step in human development, from the caveman les ruly behavior for example (althouhg this is a assumption) to now. The problems we had through milleniums with our religions is that they were unbalanced (barely any feminine), filled with lies and power hungry beings. However, when control is needed, this may happen.

Once the basic human behaviors are well into control, rid of the most animalistic sides, and rid of violence and thirst for destruction, the next step of development occurs and religion become, in my opinion, obsolete. We may, for a good part of humanity, be reaching this point.

But this also means no religion through politics, through anything that demands very strict adhesion to human organisations (cultish like). From what I have seen with the Atticus story, we still have a stretch to go.

[Teakai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX13wuGSUyk&feature=channel_video_title

This is the video I was referring to. It's made by a guy (or maybe a team) calling himself TheAvantGuards. He becam quit popular for his clips about possible occult symbols within music videos. He analyzed quit a bit of material and compared it primarily with masonic or satanic rituals/ symbols. Then after 18 parts or so he uploaded his last clip till to date making a 180° turn saying that there is nothing to see. No conspiracy,no symbols, nothing. I don't know if anything of this stuff is available with subtitles, but it might be worth the time. Can't say what I have to make of the guy (the TheAvantGuards-team though, they always seemed to be very allergic concerning all things religious. Well, make of it what you will.


MfG

Martin

Thanks for the thought, Martin, but ich nein sprechen ze Deutch (did I say/spell that right?) :)

Possibly he got scared off at the end. A few you tubers have been getting threats about what they're putting out. (I'm sure there are a few who have been pretending to get threats, too.)

I found this:David Icke: Elite Moves To Lobotomize, Zombify Global Population into Lifetime of Servitude 1/3
Is that the same as the heading in the video you put up?

[9eagle9]

Its not far fetched. The design of keeping us blind and dumb and in the dark has evolved around us being self policing so there doesn't have to be a direct intervention. Set the program, put out the script and people climb on the hook themselves, blindly and deafly repeating it over and over. Unwitting agents. Religion demonstrates that quite easily, its always been self policing. The Shepherd may has well have been the warden....lol. There's really nothing new out there as far as religion no matter how much the new thought brigade likes to state there is. It's all recycled and remanufactured.

. We now have new thought religions. Instead of a God in the Sky like George Carlin would stated, we have ufos filled with light beings hiding behind Saturn watching us....lol. Its just a recycled Abrahamic value painted over with some modern new agey fluff to sorta hide it and appeal to the emotions. Operates the same way. Self policing means that once the program or script because thats all it is, begins those who tie into that become self policing and begin spreading the 'word' and opposing those who refuse the word. . They are making the choice to enter into that sort of mind trap and I'm sure 'they' noticed that quite a long time ago. It's how the density is created that holds us all. Those who spread it are quite unaware of the contradictions in it, the bad cut and paste jobs from pre existing beliefs.

So yes its part of their agenda regardless if it was design or accident, it allows for the self policing. There's a lot of us and few of them, so they needed a means of having the slaves be over seers to other slaves.

To warn people though what they are tying themselves up in, they will attack you which is why I was grumbling earlier upthread. Like 'they,' the adherents don't like to hear dissenting voices.

People's belief systems become more dear than any sort of freedom.




Thanks for this video, really does say a lot about peoples perception on a drug solves everything. Another way to solve a problem with control!
To the power players there is no middle point where the person is free to grow, there are only means of controlling what they deem as chaotic, the human personality.
There are no means of allowing people the proper education about self, everything to that extent, has been from alternative sources. And the majority of people have been under this blind obedience, just like in the parable I quoted, for so long, that even if the power players try to change the game plan, it wont work, people wont accept it. Could be the reason that they introduce this vaccine, they cant stop us from religion without major damage to there overall scheme of control, so they try and isolate and destroy it. Not knowing that if they instead grow it in the right direction, we could release infinite potential as a race.

Not saying that this is an "agenda" "they"
have, but on the grander scheme, it doesnt seem that far fetched when you look at current global norms and trends.

[9eagle9]

On an aside that is how 'they' keep getting us to buy toothpastes that don't work, consumer products and things like that , that do not live up to their promises. The belief that it will, overrides the evidence that it doesn't.

[Omni connexae!]

Hello Draco,


Next, I would like to question, why do we follow religion? What are the fundamentals or why we need religion?

Religion provides social structure.

Social structure allows for complex human activity, like state societies.

State societies allow for larger human groups.

Larger human groups are less likely to die off than small human groups.

Thus, religion is evolutionary beneficial up until the point where large societies have formed.

As existential beings we seem to be trapped inside something bigger - the Universe or Tao, or God (if you take God to be everything).

Because we are trapped inside it we can never view it from outside, and so we can never look upon it in an analytical way. For this reason we seem to invent mystical ideas as to it's general mechanisms, and when these mechanisms interact with philosophical ideas about how to form a society, a religion appears.

Buddhism and Taoism; two schools of thought which are often referred to as religions don't necessary have to be mystical. They can remain as philosophies and still prove effective - this is because they encourage the individual to discover the nature of the universe via the microcosm of it present in the human body.

A water droplet can be part of a river, and the more we study it's history, motion, location, interactions, wetness, fluidity, etc., in more and more detail, the more we will understand about the river all around it. Once that river is realised in it's completeness, then it's true nature is understood, and there is no mystery. However, this approach is notoriously difficult - requiring the courage of a lion to face one's demons as one works one's way through the various layers of one's emotional makeup, so people often deem it worthy to risk being abused by corrupt mystical shamans and covert hypnotisers.

Religions are for the fearful and sage-less communities who have no one to demonstrate a human's potential to look deeply within themselves, and so such masses open themsleves up to NLP techniques and so-called 'therapy' from the likes of Scientologists.

[stegosaur]

I just came across this video - and it put me in mind of this thread. This is insane. According to the guy doing the talk - they now have a vacinne against religious fundamentalism. Funvax - the fun isn't for fun, but for fundamentalist.

This is insane stuff:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nddL25RgrdA
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nddL25RgrdA

There is some information about the video here:http://funvax.wordpress.com/

Perhaps they ought to start work on a vacinne for idioctic control freak behaviours instead - they'd make the perfect test subjects.

So if the funvax comes to america (or other countries) are members of the truth movement going to become good sheep-bots after they forget how to be fundamental?

[Teakai]

So if the funvax comes to america (or other countries) are members of the truth movement going to become good sheep-bots after they forget how to be fundamental?

Maybe every non conformist to the system is going to get a dose. David Icke seems to think so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-N_VIGPid8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-N_VIGPid8


"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing...a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Aldous Huxley, 1959

[Earth Draco]

So if the funvax comes to america (or other countries) are members of the truth movement going to become good sheep-bots after they forget how to be fundamental?

Maybe every non conformist to the system is going to get a dose. David Icke seems to think so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-N_VIGPid8
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-N_VIGPid8


"And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing...a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Aldous Huxley, 1959

This makes me think of the new studies on Lithium, put into the water supply... Just like Flouride, with its "Benifits", research was done into putting Lithium into the water supply, I know that in the past it was used in treatment of Psychological disorders, with much success, if you call success turning most people moderately more docile, as a bi product of it reducing depression and the suicidal feelings, kind of like the series V, if those of you have watched it, its like "Bliss". Also, look at the things its said to cure/prevent should it be in the water supply.

Here is a link, to one of the many articles I have found... Just makes one wonder
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1390732/Adding-Lithium-drinking-water-lower-suicide-rates.html

[Solphilos]

There are, and have always been forces that are designed with absolute purpose to oppose mankind. (not exclusively, but that's another story).

These adversarial forces do indeed attempt to throw a monkey wrench into our every endeavor, and this is an important key to understanding our existence here on Earth.

Opposition is a negative to a positive. It is a vital element to growth, to creation.
Opposition is what keeps us upright upon the surface of the planet, it is the push that moves us, that drives us to learn, to grow and to evolve.

Think of the archetype of Satan, and his other aspect Lucifer.

Satan, the adversary, opposes mankind through various means, and in doing so 'he' becomes a catalyst, Lucifer, the light-bearer, illuminating the soul of Men by offering the opportunity of growth through tragedy and hardship.

Those who attempt to hold us back(darkness) are only offering a medium through which we can reveal the inner Star.

There is no good nor evil, no right or wrong. Both are aspects of the One, he who nature hath not formed.