What do you Guys think? Is this a 'Suitcase Nuke'...???

[jackovesk]

Ben Fulford 06/06/2011

Quote: "The following photograph was sent to us by an unnamed source. It is claimed to be one of three suitcase nukes now hidden somewhere in Europe."

この写真がある人物から送られて来た。

ヨーロッパのどこかに隠されている三つの小型原子爆弾のひとつだそうです。

Japanese - detected to English translation

Came from a person sent this photo.

It seems one of the three small atomic bomb hidden somewhere in Europe.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c647c53ef014e88ee19fe970d-800wi

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

PS - Can anyone tell me why I can't stop laughing at this picture? :pound:

Don't get me wrong every now and then I read and listen to some of Ben's stuff and alot of his info never seems to come true.

However I have not given up on Ben, Yet?

I am also aware 'Missing Suitcase Nukes' are No laughing matter...

But can 'Nuclear Grade Plutonium' be contained in what looks like to a Large Galvinised Iron Pipe Bomb?

Is there anyone more informed than I, who can stop me from laughing???

:noidea:

[Arrowwind]

I have heard that suitcase nuclear bombs come in all fashions... potentially.

If this is just a pipe bomb could it not contain radioactive material like uranium or plutonium that would contaminate an area?

If terrorism is the goal... it would do it

[Carmody]

Nukes can be quite simple. Essentially, they need to compact the mass to a high enough pressure. That's it. Plunger type nukes are one of the oldest if not the oldest detonation scheme. The image has the essentials. Simplest is best. If the pipe is made of very robust metals, which may be the case, if we investigate types of metals available, and it looks as if the plunger is shaped to achieve critical compaction or pressures..and the material to push the plunger is powerful enough (I'm not sure what it would take) then it may be serviceable.

I Simply don't know, but if the metals are strong enough, and the explosive has enough 'chemical energy' (expansion in detonation and speed of detonation) the pressure only needs to go to a high enough spike for a infinitesimally short period of time...and the rest, if it falls apart or explodes sideways..that does not matter.... if it is after the fact of the primary impact.......so..

Essentially there is no REAL telling if it is a joke OR real. It is, to my VERY limited understanding of metals available -plausible....it could go either way.

The thing that we are not supposed to know.... is that nukes are incredibly SIMPLE devices.

If it were to actually BE serviceable, I'd say it would be a 'dirty' nuke.

[jackovesk]

I have heard that suitcase nuclear bombs come in all fashions... potentially.

If this is just a pipe bomb could it not contain radioactive material like uranium or plutonium that would contaminate an area?

If terrorism is the goal... it would do it

Understand what your saying, but from most reports I've heard several Suitcase Nukes were stolen some time ago and even if they were made up recently i.e. 'Dirty Bomb' would'nt the person carrying them &/or the person who took the picture be dead by now? That close to a Mini-Nuke contained in Galvinised Iron surely would'nt be good for your health?

[Carmody]

Yes, shielding levels look to be very limited. Also, the added mass structure around the pipe would only serve to increase the instantaneous pressures that would be achieved when the plunger slams the nuclear material. The added mass and blocking shape, would only hold it together for a fraction of a second longer, we're talking 100th's of a second and less, but the high mass could aid in getting the pressure up high enough.

Once again, in my uneducated opinion, that looks as if it straddles the line between plausible and implausible.

Understand.. the pipe does not have to be galvanized steel. It can be one of a hundred different varieties of high strength thick walled stainless steel. Including the end caps. It only needs to hold and build to a given peak pressure for a 100 thousandth of a second or whatever the number is. Result: dirty bomb.

For example, they nearly killed themselves in the basement at the university of Chicago during the opening time period of the Manhattan project, while investigating the pressures needed. They were dropping rings of steel down a bar, onto rings of fissile material. They were dropping these rings from about 4-5 feet, maybe 6 feet of height.

It all depends on the purity and the quality of the fissile material.

Brown's gas self implodes if ANY part of the gas reaches a pressure above approx 21psi. Or if it is sparked. Fissile material is the same, in some respects, but the pressures needed ..to get it to go into a 'runaway' reaction ---are higher. But not as high as some might think.

[D-Day]

lol check out the alluminium foil lining on the suitcase aah hahahahahahaha!

Please excuse my initial reaction to this, I know suitcase nukes are no laughing matter but seriously... this does not look real to me.

[Carmody]

Lead tape is exceedingly common. it looks the same.

As the quality of explosives and materials for containment and pressure building..and the knowledge of what was required to 'get the job done' have increased over the years..we have gone from a nuke that was about 4-6 feet across in the core (Fat man and little boy) to a situation where as many as 20 or more separate missile like warheads can and do sit on one single large rocket. Thus, inside one of those smaller rockets, is something tidy and small.

If a basic detonation (as opposed to a perfect detonation of all material) is all that is desired..... then the device may be alarmingly simple.

I'm just playing one side of the debate table, here.

[ceetee9]

I'm certainly no expert on bombs, but the $.69 single pole light switch tells me it's a joke. If whoever made this was capable of obtaining fissionable Uranium, it seems logical that they could afford a better/safer triggering mechanism--and let's not even consider the possibility that closing the case might flip the switch. Oops!

[Carmody]

I'm certainly no expert on bombs, but the $.69 single pole light switch tells me it's a joke. If whoever made this was capable of obtaining fissionable Uranium, it seems logical that they could afford a better/safer triggering mechanism--and let's not even consider the possibility that closing the case might flip the switch. Oops!

A rule of bomb building is to never allow a simple trace back to origin points..... by using anything unique in your devices and build. Common materials, simple design. That looks like a medial grade Hubble (brand) AC switch, and a mercury switch beside it, for tampering considerations. Flip the switch, gently close the box. Electronics can be a simple mechanical spring timer, as that won't suffer breakdown issues from the radiation.

YES, it can be a complete joke.

But ...a sliver of plausibility still exists, if the fissile material is of a high enough purity and type.

[the trojan]

its cool that they include operating instructions.
It always pisses me off when you lose them.

[D-Day]

I'm certainly no expert on bombs, but the $.69 single pole light switch tells me it's a joke. If whoever made this was capable of obtaining fissionable Uranium, it seems logical that they could afford a better/safer triggering mechanism--and let's not even consider the possibility that closing the case might flip the switch. Oops!

A rule of bomb building is to never allow a simple trace back to origin points..... by using anything unique in your devices and build. Common materials, simple design. That looks like medial grade Hubble (brand) AC switch, and a mercury switch beside it, for tampering considerations. Flip the switch, gently close the box. Electronics can be a simple mechanical spring timer, as that won't suffer breakdown issues from the radiation.

YES, it can be complete joke.

But ...a sliver of plausibility still exists, if the fissile material is of a high enough purity and type.

Carmody, sometimes you scare me :)

[Peace of Mind]

It seems like more fear mongering to me. If these bombs were real, how will this bit of info help those in Europe? The way this is being presented is not only inconsiderate but shows certain Whistle Blowers are causing more harm than good by showcasing flimsy proof. Was there more to the Email? If it wasn’t for the gullibility of man, many WB’s and sites like this wouldn’t even exist. I have yet to witness anything convincing concerning aliens and the history of man. But every now and then reports like this will be circulated, to recharge the batteries of the innocent and have them chasing their tales again. This kind of propaganda (until proven factual) has always kept the masses divided and inactive. Why? Fear…


Anyone can send out an Email of a potential threat. But what gives these threats some validity is the amount of proof that can be coupled to the threats. What exactly does he expect to gain by releasing such a thing with little to no info on it? This can only (and probably will) create nothing but hysteria, maybe that’s the whole point…

Peace

[Peace of Mind]

I have heard that suitcase nuclear bombs come in all fashions... potentially.

If this is just a pipe bomb could it not contain radioactive material like uranium or plutonium that would contaminate an area?

If terrorism is the goal... it would do it

Understand what your saying, but from most reports I've heard several Suitcase Nukes were stolen some time ago and even if they were made up recently i.e. 'Dirty Bomb' would'nt the person carrying them &/or the person who took the picture be dead by now? That close to a Mini-Nuke contained in Galvinised Iron surely would'nt be good for your health?

hmmm, interesting...
If they were stolen…who were they stolen from? Why would the person/people these dirty bombs were stolen from make/design something so dangerous to be mobile and inconspicuous? Perhaps the word “Stolen” is a word being used to trick the populace… when it should be looked at as a clue to some over looked truth. The imaginary enemy can be the most dangerous…but they are also the easiest to defeat when common sense is thoroughly applied. TBH, I don't sense any real threat...only the one's we allow ourselves to create.

Peace

[Carmody]

This can only (and probably will) create nothing but hysteria, maybe that’s the whole point…


You are probably right.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

the reputed suitcase nukes are of a much higher design quality and apparently contained electronic functions. Which were subject to breakdown from the radiation. They were apparently to become inoperable, over time, unless re-fitted. This was quite some time back, this report and it came from a frustrated Russian general who was making a bid in politics or had been shuffled aside, IIRC.

[Operator]

http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20071111/3794382756_Tale_of_the_Suitcase_Nukex-large.jpg

Then House Armed Services Committee staff member Peter Pry displays a model of what a nuclear suitcase bomb "might look like" during a hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington in this Oct. 26, 1999 file photo. Hollywood has made TV shows and movies about the devices and the Federal Emergency Management Agency has alerted Americans of the threat - information that the White House redistributes on its web site. But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook, File)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-11-11-3794382756_x.htm
Posted 11/11/2007 12:39 AM

[13th Warrior]

Ben Fulford 06/06/2011

Quote: "The following photograph was sent to us by an unnamed source. It is claimed to be one of three suitcase nukes now hidden somewhere in Europe."

この写真がある人物から送られて来た。

ヨーロッパのどこかに隠されている三つの小型原子爆弾のひとつだそうです。

Japanese - detected to English translation

Came from a person sent this photo.

It seems one of the three small atomic bomb hidden somewhere in Europe.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c647c53ef014e88ee19fe970d-800wi

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

PS - Can anyone tell me why I can't stop laughing at this picture? :pound:

Don't get me wrong every now and then I read and listen to some of Ben's stuff and alot of his info never seems to come true.

However I have not given up on Ben, Yet?

I am also aware 'Missing Suitcase Nukes' are No laughing matter...

But can 'Nuclear Grade Plutonium' be contained in what looks like to a Large Galvinised Iron Pipe Bomb?

Is there anyone more informed than I, who can stop me from laughing???

:noidea:

Hardware Store Nuke?

Lets see:

HVAC Foil Tape (Check)
CAD Plated Corner Braces (Check)
9 VDC Battery (Check)
Single Pole Single Throw Switch (Check)
2" Black Pipe with end caps and Union (Check)
1 Can Silver Krylon Spray Paint (Check)
A couple Pyrex bottles (Check)

Yup! Looks Legit to me!

I will have to go to the hardware store and ask a clerk "excuse me, in which isle do you keep the enriched uranium?"

[Lazlo]

Ben Fulford 06/06/2011

Quote: "The following photograph was sent to us by an unnamed source. It is claimed to be one of three suitcase nukes now hidden somewhere in Europe."

この写真がある人物から送られて来た。

ヨーロッパのどこかに隠されている三つの小型原子爆弾のひとつだそうです。

Japanese - detected to English translation

Came from a person sent this photo.

It seems one of the three small atomic bomb hidden somewhere in Europe.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c647c53ef014e88ee19fe970d-800wi

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

PS - Can anyone tell me why I can't stop laughing at this picture? :pound:

Don't get me wrong every now and then I read and listen to some of Ben's stuff and alot of his info never seems to come true.

However I have not given up on Ben, Yet?

I am also aware 'Missing Suitcase Nukes' are No laughing matter...

But can 'Nuclear Grade Plutonium' be contained in what looks like to a Large Galvinised Iron Pipe Bomb?

Is there anyone more informed than I, who can stop me from laughing???

:noidea:

The instructions are in English and the "device" is labelled GUN,

I had already decided before this to rank anything from Benjamin Fulford right up there with Sorcha Faal:rolleyes:

[Forevernyt]

I'm not saying this is real or fake, but there are "gun" type nuclear devices.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/camera.jpg

[Sabrina]

A friend says: It's just that the plot of season 4 of 24 was of suitcase like that!

[Warlock]

I saw a picture of one quite a few years ago, provided that it really was a suitcase nuke.
Your picture doesn't quite look like the one I saw.
Yours just looks like a pipebomb placed in a metal case.

Warlock

[Carmody]

All my points about simplicity still stand. A Plunger or Gun type nuke literally was (one of the two) the first built and used, IIRC. Nagasaki was of that type, IIRC. (little boy)

However, it is highly doubtful that the level of lead tape lining in the image (either image) would be enough to protect the device from being found via radiation sensing devices. Or prevent it from killing the handler of said device. If it was 'weapons grade' material.

One thing I noted right away, but did not speak on, is that lead tape oxidizes and gets dull looking very fast. It leaves a dirty smear, like a pencil mark, everywhere it is touched or handled. Aluminum tape does not.

Lead tape was very common in years gone by due it's use as shielding on the backs of CRT tubes in Televisions. You can still find and buy rolls of it.

http://www.flymart.ca/websites/flymart_ca/images/ecommerce/Zonkera.jpg

There is no reason that such a device would not look like either image. A few more wires, and minor bits...and it's a go.

[Cjay]

Perhaps a look at the "little boy" nuclear bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima might help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy

The "little boy" bomb weighed 9,700 pounds (4,400 kg) and as we know caused a lot of damage. It exploded with an energy between 13 and 18 kilotons of TNT.

A moderately heavy suitcase bomb weighing 22 kg would contain one 2,000th as much fissile material as "little boy" and could, conceivably, explode with an energy of between 6.5 to 9 tons of TNT - or a medium sized truck full of TNT. Obviously, the math is over-simplified but in short, it could do a lot of damage.

You might like to read about various types of suitcase nuclear weapons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke
and dirty bombs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_bomb

I am not saying Wikipedia is an authoritative source but it does provide some interesting information.

Before laughing too hard, consider that whoever carried a suitcase nuke to its intended target would probably be willing to die for their "cause" and so they would not be overly concerned about a little radiation leakage. The suitcase could be packed inside a lot of lead for longer distance transport to avoid detection.

As with all things, we should not jump to conclusions one way or another. If anyone has actually seen suitcase nukes, we would all love to read your comments.

[Fred259]

http://images.usatoday.com/Wires2Web/20071111/3794382756_Tale_of_the_Suitcase_Nukex-large.jpg

Then House Armed Services Committee staff member Peter Pry displays a model of what a nuclear suitcase bomb "might look like" during a hearing on Capitol Hill in Washington in this Oct. 26, 1999 file photo. Hollywood has made TV shows and movies about the devices and the Federal Emergency Management Agency has alerted Americans of the threat - information that the White House redistributes on its web site. But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook, File)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2007-11-11-3794382756_x.htm
Posted 11/11/2007 12:39 AM

Scare mongering.

The common sense bit is contained at the end.

[Operator]

Scare mongering.

The common sense bit is contained at the end.

Fred if I quote your post there is more text than shows on the page ... ? Edit: (ahh edited your post)

The photo I provided is from Oct. 26, 1999 (so even before 9/11/2001).
It clearly shows a "Mock up" while "But government experts and intelligence officials say such a threat gets vastly more attention than it deserves".
The title of the article is "Suitcase nuclear bomb unlikely to exist".

It looks like Ben Fulford recycled the material (it looks identical) for fear mongering.

[PHARAOH]

Looks like suitcase puke to me. Does this mean no more TSA and"Pat Downs" since they now know what they are looking for???