Who is controlling our minds?

[kersley]

Hi All.
I started this thread in hope to shed some light on this mind controlling phenomena.
Many here are making claims that since Atticus/Charles has been around, They felt sick, energy loss,headaches, and all other problems. There are some who Say's they felt something good about Him.

Surely this is worth looking at? If there is a power out there that can tap into our minds, the this is something we should try an understand.
I urge you all to tell your story. Please don't be sarcastic or discredit others for doing so. We are all adults and it's fab that we can share our version of our experiences....
So i will start the ball rolling by telling you mine..


A few weeks ago i have had this really bad headache. I posted this on here in hope that someone would confirm they had the same. weeks has pass and now i learn that I'm not alone.
I can't say for certain that this was down to Atticus or his master. But I'm certain that someone/something was trying to get into my mind.
The pain were really bad. I felt like my head would explode. I know what headaches feels like, This was no normal take 2 aspirin headache. it was constant. like someone pointing some sort of laser beam at my head. It lasted for over a week, constantly. I have been to the doctor ad there's nothing wrong with my blood pressure. so don't even go there..
Luckily for me I'm self employed. So i could take the time off work. During those time off i found myself all knowing. I would be asked a question and find I had the answer . apart from the bad pains the feeling were quite good.

I was delighted thinking this was the start of my awakening. But after hearing that Atticus maybe behind this. My bubble is truly burst.

[Omni]

Here is my post relevant to this discussion:





Hi,
I was contacted too but not via mail via RV (but it was more than this).

Thank you for this post! IMHO this subject discussing Charles’ so called ‘master’ is important and was one of those pulling the strings.

I too was visited by a very unenlightened dark entity one evening on the forum after posting a question to Charles when he was typing on the forum.

....

I felt 'whoever' this entity was, looked deep within my soul reading me – it was a violation that was not pleasant – with the absolute absence of love.



Hi realeyes,
It's good to hear from you, I would just like to affirm that my experience was not anything bad/dark or nasty-it was totally the opposite.

I can vouch 100% that all the things you both describe can be done with black project technology, they have 100% surely been obtained by dark group(s) on this planet. I know both absolutely and without a doubt.

I have seen first hand their 'enlightened' software illusions. I have seen first hand they could control the mind to apply anything, to anything else. For example they can apply the variables in the mind to make it appear like you are recieving transmissions from a bush for example(or some archangel or God or anything else), or it is speaking to you. I haven't experienced much of that, but they have gone over they can do it with me by example(no bushes ever spoke to me LOL). I have been told they use this tactic to discredit people, when you say a chair spoke to you telepathically, almost no soul on the planet is going to believe anything but schizophrenia. It's a way they probably use to initiate experimentation on someone, they would do it just prior, so they speak of it and discredit themselves to people they will at some point be claiming to be the victim of advanced technology experiments etc.

Anyway, I can vouch for the application of focus into any conceptual realm, applying it to any energy, or object.

I have seen first hand they can alter sight. They have not done this extensively with me, but enough to show me it(maybe a dozen or two occurrences of various methods). I realize speaking of technology altering what your eyes see opens you up to all kinds of skeptical thoughts on hallucinations etc. A little bit of skepticism is healthy, but if one has too much, it nullifies them of the more interesting truths. They have shown me dark orbs fly around my room, they have shown me white orbs flying from trees to other trees(a more mystical experience), sometime in the last 2 days(they completely fubar'd my memory of time in the last 2 days), they showed me they can completely fabricate a scenario of reality in visual form. An object when I went into my room was on my bed, I left my room, about 10 seconds later entered, and the object was somewhere else in the room(and a telepathic engagement ensued speaking to me about it). It was the most impressive show of visual manipulation they have shown me. But the state of mind I was in seemed very artificial, and not a full consciousness feeling at all. If they cannot do better than that, mind control would probably have to be installed or one might catch them(if they are aware enough of mind control being very real, and here in the now).


With mind control(which I'm not even sure requires an implant) they are able to control how I feel, what I perceive, judgment, analytical thought, negate certain thoughts they do not want to happen, and this is all down to the core of what I perceive when I observe this at times. Mind control is no cheap trick when it's used(on the right people perhaps. I'm not sure. But I'm skeptical of anyone who claims advanced mind control doesn't work on them, they do have a brain).

From what people are mentioning, I think some of the black project tech was in use during Atticus' infiltration. They could very easily insert telepathic voices into Bill's mind(a fabrication of a "master" 5,000 year old person). I imagine they could very easily control Bill to stand somewhere, as I remember him saying Atticus did. They could easily manipulate others on the forum into the mindsets and experiences some report.

The massive amount of energy sensed by people in a negative manner could be explained by the scope of which they were sabotaging in this event. In other words perhaps if they do use a lot of black project tech, and do sinister things the people with the right knowledge to tune their minds into the right frequencies, could pick up on this(like many did). Perhaps that is part of the experiment they are running here(although I doubt the scope is as one dimensional as any one task considering this possible operation of Atticus etc).


I do not for a second believe Atticus is under the mastership of a man who was Jesus.... Or even a 5,000 year old master, although I suppose in keeping with open mindedness I must acknowledge it's possible. But I'd bet a good bit against it if it could be proven :p


Anyway, before jumping to any conclusions about what people have experienced(even to those experiencing it), knowing all the different possibilities is one of the biggest hurdles. I can personally attest to the dark force(s) here having the capability to do all the things mentioned, as they have done pretty much the same to me at some point. I have experiences every single day. It's like they are showing me their library of possible tortures, and technology, and mind control, etc. I couldn't tell you why for sure they show me this. But the fact of the matter is, I have been shown it. It's a duty of mine to warn people of it.

I'm not saying black ops are being done to perpetrate these events. But it's a very distinct possibility.

Who is controlling my mind in full(and very possibly carrying out these other experiences), is a mystery to me. I used to think it was ETs(mind controlled to think that it was too advanced for humans, that was their angle among others). Slowly they allowed me to piece it together, that black projects have obtained the technology being used on me. I corroborated this mainly by seeing that thousands of others have had this technology used on them for many years(TIs). A site about this is www.areyoutargeted.com

Now I still don't know of Anunnaki, Nordics, Greys and the like are involved in my situation. It's not all bad, and there seems to be order involved. So I feel someone is on my side. Also I have received telepathic messages and had it directly wiped from my mind after from seemingly urgent feeling sources. It's very possible I have had interactions with Greys and the like, but with all the AI impersonations, I'm unsure if it is the 100% truth at this time.

Safe to say the human PTB, are ensuring they remain the PTB with this technology(if they can).

I strongly lean towards the USA shadow government being behind my torture and mind control moreso than any other entity. So that is my guess regarding "who".

[sshenry]

Awareness is the key to avoiding mind-control.

Awareness of what is in your mind will alert you to anything (thoughts, energy etc.) coming in from the outside.

You can then refuse them entrance.

It's that simple :)

[Peace of Mind]

It could have been your pineal gland activating. I’m only saying this because of your statement about “being all knowing”.

IMO, an outside force can only influence your mind if you allow it to. All you have to do is believe such a danger can happen to you. I don’t believe this can happen if you don’t want it to, but that’s just me. I’ve trained myself for years to shield away any outside negative influence….simply by not giving the thought any power. I’m thinking your anticipation was the culprit in this case.


Peace

[Omni]

Awareness is the key to avoiding mind-control.

Awareness of what is in your mind will alert you to anything (thoughts, energy etc.) coming in from the outside.

You can then refuse them entrance.

It's that simple :)

Only mind control that isn't deep. In other words only surface mind control(which I beat easily every time). Awareness is something that can be negated with mind control......

And how exactly do you refuse them entrance? I'm most curious about this claim and am in a position to confirm or deny it.

Also, how do you know what you say is true?



IMO, an outside force can only influence your mind if you allow it to.
Completely false. This has been proven to me.



All you have to do is believe such a danger can happen to you.
Completely false, again. I didn't believe this could happen to me until it happened.


I don’t believe this can happen if you don’t want it to, but that’s just me.
You think I wanted this to happen to me? Completely false, again.



I’ve trained myself for years to shield away any outside negative influence….simply by not giving the thought any power.
The whole premise of mind control is not being in control of your mind. I do not give the mind control power. It worked exactly the same when I didn't believe it could happen, as when I knew it could.

Negative influence is very very different than mind control in most cases. Negative influence when you have control of your mind can be defended against with things such as awareness, or not giving the energy power.


I’m thinking your anticipation was the culprit in this case.


Peace

No quarrel with this bit. Although I'm not sure it's true either.

[sshenry]

Awareness is the key to avoiding mind-control.

Awareness of what is in your mind will alert you to anything (thoughts, energy etc.) coming in from the outside.

You can then refuse them entrance.

It's that simple :)

Only mind control that isn't deep. In other words only surface mind control(which I beat easily every time). Awareness is something that can be negated with mind control......

Not if your awareness is connected to your soul awareness.

We're triune beings made up of body/mind and soul. The mind is the connection between the body and the soul. If you maintain open communication with your soul, you have nothing to be afraid of because NOTHING gets past the soul's awareness. If your connection to soul is intact, you will be aware of ALL negative influences, no matter how complex or how deep.

[Omni]

Awareness is the key to avoiding mind-control.

Awareness of what is in your mind will alert you to anything (thoughts, energy etc.) coming in from the outside.

You can then refuse them entrance.

It's that simple :)

Only mind control that isn't deep. In other words only surface mind control(which I beat easily every time). Awareness is something that can be negated with mind control......

Not if your awareness is connected to your soul awareness.

We're triune beings made up of body/mind and soul. The mind is the connection between the body and the soul. If you maintain open communication with your soul, you have nothing to be afraid of because NOTHING gets past the soul's awareness. If your connection to soul is intact, you will be aware of ALL negative influences, no matter how complex or how deep.

I was in communion with my soul before all this happened quite fine(although room for improvement may always be there). They have the ability to negate such connections to the consciousness(although I do not know if it can be done to all people).

[sshenry]

Also, how do you know what you say is true? I'm most curious about this claim and am in a position to confirm or deny it.

Also, how do you know what you say is true?

I know what I say is true because I have experienced it for myself.

After 28 years of mind control (and I was mind controlled) I broke free by re-establishing my connection with my soul awareness. I did this through 15 years of intensive study and meditation practice that has led me to open communication with all three aspects of my self.

I have no "proof" to offer you. I can only say that the method of awareness and of connection to soul worked for me.

[sshenry]

Awareness is the key to avoiding mind-control.

Awareness of what is in your mind will alert you to anything (thoughts, energy etc.) coming in from the outside.

You can then refuse them entrance.

It's that simple :)

Only mind control that isn't deep. In other words only surface mind control(which I beat easily every time). Awareness is something that can be negated with mind control......

Not if your awareness is connected to your soul awareness.

We're triune beings made up of body/mind and soul. The mind is the connection between the body and the soul. If you maintain open communication with your soul, you have nothing to be afraid of because NOTHING gets past the soul's awareness. If your connection to soul is intact, you will be aware of ALL negative influences, no matter how complex or how deep.

I was in communion with my soul before all this happened quite fine(although room for improvement may always be there). They have the ability to negate such connections to the consciousness(although I do not know if it can be done to all people).


Your mind is a far more powerful tool than most people give it credit for.

As Peace of Mind pointed out - if you believe that you can be mind-controlled, then you open yourself up to the possibility of being mind-controlled.

If you believe that these people have the ability to sever your communication with your soul, then you have oppened yourself up to the possiblity of them severing that communication.

You may not be aware of the fact that you were even considering this IF you weren't actively aware of the thoughts already in your mind and any thoughts that are attempting entrance. I'm not just talking about passive awareness of what you are thinking, but of a solid understanding of how your own mind works, its own 'natural' thoughts and those thoughts/ideas/beliefs/constructs that are being projected at you from external sources.

[sshenry]

Just a note: This is not meant to discourage anyone, but it took me about seven years from the time I first started practicing daily meditation to break through all the walls that had been set up in my mind; all the conditioning that I had been exposed to in my younger years and re-establish a clear communication channel with my soul. I had THOUGHT that I was in communication with my soul during the time that I was living in a conditioned existence, but it was only the 'soul' that had been set up as the one for me to accept, and was just one more layer of that web of illusion.

I can only offer you this, when you are in clear communication with your true soul self, there is no question, there is no second-guessing, it is an unmistakable knowing that can't be mistaken for anything else, and you know instictively that it can be trusted. You can see the illusiory web for what it is and avoid it altogether. :)

[DianeKJ]

I have remained silent about this subject publicly, for my own reasons. I will share what I have felt in regards to the CM.

When first reading the posts, not sure I was even a member yet or maybe newly so, I was plagued with intense migraine headaches. I didn't think to much of it at first, as that can be explained away with many reasons. It started to be a little weird for me though when every time I would try and pick up a thread where I had left off andI would get a headache. If I continued reading it, the pain would increase to a blinding migraine. I ended up working past this and didn't think to much on it later, until Kersley mentioned the headaches as well.

Harder to explain away was the feeling of being "scanned" or checked out. It was a very strong energy that entered my home and was trying to read me, or was just seeing how I would react. I could feel something, physically trying to read my body, seemingly in the heart area. The presence wasn't negative, felt very neutral actually. The two times that this happened in relation to the CM, was:
1) the very first question I posted on the atticus thread, it happened instantly after hitting "enter" on my keyboard.
2) upon first entering chat when he was in there, although we did not speak at all.
Now having said this happening in relation to the CM stuff, I do not feel that is was necessarily atticus/stephen doing this, but someone possibly loosly connected to him or someone completely separate interested in the material for totally different reasons. I don't have proof of why I feel this, but I strongly believe it and I think it is important to state.

I have had a couple of other incidents since then, one entity very dark, that caused me a very physical reaction. I felt very panicked, scared and my heart was racing uncontrollably for a few moments. I was able to center myself and climb into the bathtub. Water helps me with lower energy nasties for some reason. Not sure if that was at all connected to CM, so I don't necessarily lump it together. I've had many other distinct feelings of being watched, not overtly negative, just there.

I have had these types of encounters off and on, long before I joined Avalon or read any of the CM stuff, but the first two encounters/experiences I mentioned above seem directly related to it. The other stuff, not too sure as I am becoming more and more aware of my surroundings on an empathic level.

Looking forward to hearing about more experiences. Feel free to pm me if you are not comfortable discussing it publicly.
Namaste,
Di

[Omni]

Also, how do you know what you say is true? I'm most curious about this claim and am in a position to confirm or deny it.

Also, how do you know what you say is true?

I know what I say is true because I have experienced it for myself.

After 28 years of mind control (and I was mind controlled) I broke free by re-establishing my connection with my soul awareness. I did this through 15 years of intensive study and meditation practice that has led me to open communication with all three aspects of my self.

I have no "proof" to offer you. I can only say that the method of awareness and of connection to soul worked for me.

Are you saying you had this connection, and lost it(which is embodied by you saying you "re-established" your connection), yet somehow got it again? If you lost it to begin with, it seems they were able to disconnect such. Why wouldn't they be able to do it again? Why were they mind controlling you?

I find it hard to believe you beat them, and more likely they allowed you to do whatever you did(perhaps to study it). 15 years of study can be negated with mind control and memory deletion/restriction. Meditative states can be disrupted with mind control. They can fully demotivate one from meditating with mind control as well. They can inflict pain, to change your mindset. There are a million ways they can prevent one from achieving what you may have. Perhaps that was why they mind controlled you, to observe such happen. Now that they have observed it in you, they know what to keep me from if I try....

They probably learned from your case if you are not under any illusions, such as 'illusory exemplification'(which is rampant among mind control victims as to make their testimonies not align).

Did they mind control you often? Or was it not often?

Can you explain how they mind controlled you?

What is it like when they try after you have established connection to the soul? Are you saying they cannot affect your brain?

I'm very curious. I hope you are right.

Please explain the exact things that lead you to achieve this. 'Study' and 'meditation' doesn't cut it for me. Doesn't really help.



As Peace of Mind pointed out - if you believe that you can be mind-controlled, then you open yourself up to the possibility of being mind-controlled.

I see this as a big red flag opening one to not suspect mind control(which is the biggest defense IMO, being aware it's possible so you could catch it if it's done - Awareness). Belief of me being able to be mind controlled had absolutely nothing to do with me being mind controlled. They had been mind controlling me since I was a child. Before I even knew it existed....


If you believe that these people have the ability to sever your communication with your soul, then you have oppened yourself up to the possiblity of them severing that communication.
I really doubt this. They severed the connection before I knew it was possible.



You may not be aware of the fact that you were even considering this IF you weren't actively aware of the thoughts already in your mind and any thoughts that are attempting entrance. I'm not just talking about passive awareness of what you are thinking, but of a solid understanding of how your own mind works, its own 'natural' thoughts and those thoughts/ideas/beliefs/constructs that are being projected at you from external sources.

I know well one has a source that authenticates ones own thoughts. It can also be negated from what I've seen.

[Realeyes]

Thank you Kersley for setting up this other thread. Here is what I posted earlier on another thread that fits in here and maybe will give others the courage to share their experience. ;)

For myself, I have grown very quickly and become much more aware since this Charles/Atticus/Stephen story unfolded. IMHO, I am a better/stronger/wiser person for this experience and very much appreciate the opportunity to listen to all you wonderful minded Avalonians! Bless you All! :hug:

"Thank you for this post! IMHO this subject discussing Charles’ so called ‘master’ is important and was one of those pulling the strings.

I too was visited, but by a very unenlightened dark entity one evening on the forum after posting a question to Charles when he was typing on the forum. I am not a person to make things up - or over exaggerate or suffer from paranoia or hysteria. The visit was much more than a remote view - I saw a very large shadow orb appear in my sitting room - it observed me for maybe 4 mins; it played with my heart rate to almost heart attack stage (this was not my fear as I had none at the time because it all took me by total surprise - I simply observed). I felt 'whoever' this entity was, looked deep within my soul reading me – it was a violation that was not pleasant – with the absolute absence of love.

I have experienced this only once before back in 1998 when black opps remote viewers decided to pay me some attention; again not nice, filled with dirty Astral tricks that became quite scary and even life threatening.

I don't believe Charles' master is the real St Germain – that is probably a ‘carrot charm’ that Charles was fed.

Now 'whoever' this entity is (or was) ???? is aligned with a very dark consciousness of ‘service to self’ and is very powerful and knowledgeable of Astral tricks and how to control others.

I was completely out of my depth but thankfully still here to tell the tale. After this uninvited ‘visit’ for days I contemplated and rationalised that maybe I had misunderstood the ‘visit’ because it did in turn spark within me a deep awakening about myself on a personal soul journey answering a number of questions I had held for many years. Ultimately my conclusion after much thought ‘knows’ this entity was very dark – it was the total absence of ‘love’ that sealed it.

I am hoping that the entity that requested clemency that Inelia met was this said entity - but this is just my hopeful guess."

[Peace of Mind]

as when I knew it could.

This may be the problem. The anticipation..

The will can be influenced. Awareness is key. This can also be explained logically. If everyone has access to the same consciousness...what will give someone else the power of your mind/thoughts?... other than their knowledge of manipulating your will, so your thoughts will do the manipulators biding. If you truly know yourself then all outside suggestions should and will be recognized. Most people under influences are blind followers and lack the self preservation. Many mental attacks came my way but were easily discarded.

Peace

[Franny]

Take a look at this vid which is purportedly a class filmed at the Pentagon. The instructor is discussing a gene which over expresses in religious fanatics and how to suppress this over expression with an induced virus. This will "immunize" against the religious/god gene and "turn a fanatic into a normal person" using respiratory viruses -- according the the class instructor. The poster of the vid assumes this refers to arial sprays to achieve this suppression.

Click here to watch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB3EKQ56LgU)

[Omni]

This may be the problem. The anticipation..

It most certainly isn't. As I said, it happened before I knew it was possible(for yearsss). It was not the vector in which lead to it, and that is conclusive.


The will can be influenced. Awareness is key. This can also be explained logically. If everyone has access to the same consciousness...what will give someone else the power of your mind/thoughts?... other than their knowledge of manipulating your will, so your thoughts will do the manipulators biding.



If you truly know yourself then all outside suggestions should and will be recognized. Most people under influences are blind followers and lack the self preservation. Many mental attacks came my way but were easily discarded.

Mental attacks are not the same as advanced mind control. From my perspective you are wrong in the above quote, because they can negate the ability TO recognize anything.

[Omni]

I did this through 15 years of intensive study and meditation practice that has led me to open communication with all three aspects of my self.

If you achieved it with your mind's focus, it can be stopped, as the focus is controllable. Which study and meditation implies you did.

[phillipbbg]

Water helps me with lower energy nasties for some reason.
Di

Water contains the highest concentrations of energy on the planet, these energies are more than capable of clearing away the lower energy nasties. Water is also a source of all recorded knowledge of this planet.

Also if you feel the physical effects again think about asking the energies of the water to actually pulse the energy back with 10 fold intensity then 100 fold intensity then 1000 fold intensity. Remember any pathway to your mind is a two way pathway, like they say it works both ways, use it to defend yourself. But don't be drawn into the ego of battle, do it with peace ..

As a foot note there is something channelling through your words on this thread, through no fault of your own. Bit nasty actually. (to this entity BACK TO YOU!)

[Lazlo]

I too suffered from migraine headaches while engaged in the Charles Material. I am a person who does not get headaches, unless it is the mild kind the morning after a few drinks.

I was getting headaches that I would describe as severe. I decided to try a little experiment...I logged off and went outside for some fresh air and a glass of water. Within minutes, the headache was gone. I went back inside and logged back on and the pain was back, instantly, as if a switch had been flipped.

So I repeated the fresh air experiment and felt better again. Logged back on, and the switch was flipped again.

Repeat fresh air, but this time I didn't return to the Charles Material, a couple of hours on line and I felt great. Back to the CM and instant pain.

I played with this for a couple of days and the result was always the same. I could spend hours on line (I work form my computer, so at least 7 hours a day on line) with no ill effects. As soon as I engaged in a current thread, in real time, the headaches were back.

Interestingly, I discovered that I could read the material just fine so long as I was perusing posts that were a day or so old. It was only when I engaged in real time, current posts that the headaches came.

The only way that I can describe the experience was "unwholesome"

[SKAWF]

i cant speak for anyone else, but i control my mind.
i'm not what i was.
in my life, ive been broken so many times that i realised there is a part of me, that is entirely unaffected
even if my mental process doesnt work at all.
that helped me to realise that i am not my mind, my mind is a tool, thats all.
i can exist without it.
ive taken myself to a point where my mind is unable to process the experience i'm having quite often!
mostly these days i use my imagination in a pattern recognition kinda way,
its far better. a picture says a thousand words....
so moving pictures allow a much deeper understanding, and its all instantly visible to me.
that sure beats the hell out of linear thought.
but i often find myself seeing a picture, and i know i dont have to words to convey it to people.
it was ok at the start, the only one who has to understand the picture is me,
but i have to employ the mind if i want to tell someone what i see.

the thing is the system of thought we use, was given to us by someone else
its not our own construct.
i believe those in control dont have the abilities we have
the controllers have their own way of doing things,
they pass it onto us at school, but personally i reckon its the wrong operating system.
pictures are natural to us.
symbolism is the oldest form of communication, but we have moved from that, to words.

the image i see now, is a small star inside a scaffold framework.
the scaffold represents the mind,
the star represents the being....
they have convinced the being, that it is the mind.

its been 13 years since i broke that spell.

[Peace of Mind]

This may be the problem. The anticipation..

It most certainly isn't. As I said, it happened before I knew it was possible(for yearsss). It was not the vector in which lead to it, and that is conclusive.


The will can be influenced. Awareness is key. This can also be explained logically. If everyone has access to the same consciousness...what will give someone else the power of your mind/thoughts?... other than their knowledge of manipulating your will, so your thoughts will do the manipulators biding.



If you truly know yourself then all outside suggestions should and will be recognized. Most people under influences are blind followers and lack the self preservation. Many mental attacks came my way but were easily discarded.

Mental attacks are not the same as advanced mind control. From my perspective you are wrong in the above quote, because they can negate the ability TO recognize anything.

Who is THEY?
And, IF you are NOT aware then this can possibly happen. Sorry to hear of your mind control issues, but I don't see how it can happen without your consent. I just don't see it and I will not promote the possiblity of such practice... especially when there is little to no proof of it happening...unwillingly. There is no way someone can persuade me to do something I don't like or want to do...not if I know who I'am and what I 'am here to do. Maybe you can elaborate a bit more on your mind control scenario. It seems to me that you are set in your beliefs about this, how unfortunate.

Edit: child manipulation is nothing new. all children are sponges and primed to be followers. It is when they become KNOWERS and thinkers that will afford them protection.

Peace

[jackovesk]

Hi All.
I started this thread in hope to shed some light on this mind controlling phenomena.
Many here are making claims that since Atticus/Charles has been around, They felt sick, energy loss,headaches, and all other problems.

Here is a Post I made about Atticus on the 14th April 2011 21:40 - Post #134

On one of Kerry's Threads - "View of human family tree material given by charles to bill back in 2010"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?18345-View-of-human-family-tree-material-given-by-charles-to-bill-back-in-2010/page7


Thanks Kerry,

Avalon has lost many long time members because of the Charles material...

What a timely post, I was about to send my 1st ever PM that I ever instigated to Bill to see if I should stay at Avalon?

Many things have changed because of Charles...

I for one Never Ever Get Sick, but I do remember for only 1/2 a day I felt sick in the guts for absolutely no reason...And I do believe it had something to do with some kind of AI Intelligence!

I never really wanted to Post on the Charles Threads, but I also was interested to gauge his authenticity, and nobody was really paying attention to the other threads at the time.

Having said that, I don't beleive it was Charles himself posting all the time and there was always an alterior motive to his stay at Avalon!

So Thanks for your post and Thanks for your Honesty...

Regards,
Jack

Maybe it wasn't AI Intelligence that was making me Sick, maybe it was my Intuition telling me there was something not right with the whole Charles/Atticus saga!

I remember getting laughed at for the post above by another Avalonian and a Mod...

So be it, I was only sharing the Truth as I knew it..!

[sshenry]

Are you saying you had this connection, and lost it(which is embodied by you saying you "re-established" your connection), yet somehow got it again? If you lost it to begin with, it seems they were able to disconnect such. Why wouldn't they be able to do it again? Why were they mind controlling you?

I find it hard to believe you beat them, and more likely they allowed you to do whatever you did(perhaps to study it). 15 years of study can be negated with mind control and memory deletion/restriction. Meditative states can be disrupted with mind control. They can fully demotivate one from meditating with mind control as well. They can inflict pain, to change your mindset. There are a million ways they can prevent one from achieving what you may have. Perhaps that was why they mind controlled you, to observe such happen. Now that they have observed it in you, they know what to keep me from if I try....

They probably learned from your case if you are not under any illusions, such as 'illusory exemplification'(which is rampant among mind control victims as to make their testimonies not align).

Did they mind control you often? Or was it not often?

Can you explain how they mind controlled you?

What is it like when they try after you have established connection to the soul? Are you saying they cannot affect your brain?

I'm very curious. I hope you are right.

Please explain the exact things that lead you to achieve this. 'Study' and 'meditation' doesn't cut it for me. Doesn't really help.

Yes - I had this connection when I was very young; well, up until the time I was about sixteen years old - or rather, by the time I was 16 the connection had been burried under layers of the conditioning to the point that it could no longer be felt.

We are ALL born with this connection, and soicety, traidition and sometimes specific attempts by the powers that be can have a distinctive influence on the mind ESPECIALLY during the formative years when we are subjected to wanting to belong, and wanting to fit in, and wanting to make others happy. It's called positive reinforcement; you do what they say and you get 'rewards' in the form of friendships and acceptance from family members or 'authority' figures.

As to them breaking the connection - they can't, as you are born with the connection, but they can 'gum it up' with enough junk that you can't SENSE it. They can interrupt the communication with the soul by putting in their own 'version' of soul so that you FEEL that you are doing the right thing.

Specific instances of mind control are not the issue here (for me) but rather a life that was interrupted in an attempt to bury who and what I truly am (which is what each and every one of us truly is); a divine being (soul) that is having a human experience. It was not as if I was forced to "do" abhorant things; I was forced to live a life that denied every aspect of who and what I truly am which, in my view, is even worse. I was forced to live a lie. I was forced to use my talents to pursuade others NOT to pursue the very things that I now know were the path to freedom.

For me my "break" when it came, was in the form of the birth of my youngest daughter. She is a crystal (that's the easiest way to describe her); a catalyst of change, and her energy literally cut through entire layers of illusion and sent me into deepression I can hardly bear to mention, but as I remembered who I was, and everything that I had NOT been for the last dozen+ years it got worse and worse. The depression was spawned by the knowledge that I was so much more than the life I was then living, and that I didn't see any way out of it.

Leraning how to meditate saved my life. It allowed me to reach that deep connection that had been burried over the years in layers and layers of conditioning. It has taken time and effort and energy, but when, after I had broken through the final layers of the illusion I'd been living under, of the walls they'd constructed in my mind and once again touched that soul connection in all it's purity and openness, there was no mistaking it. EVERYTHING fell into place.

More than that, the AWARENESS of what they had done, of what CAN be done of their ability to desensitize you to your soul connection and to build up those layers and walls; that awareness keeps you from letting it happen again. You can, of course, LOOSE that awareness (if you let yourself become complacent and neglect keeping that connection open).

And no, they cannot affect your brain. Not if your connection with soul is seamless. When you have re-established (or rather uncovered) that connection and can once again sense it, the key is to TRUST it. You're older and wiser now - you've learned your lesson (what it is possible to do - bury that connection). But trusting what the soul tells you; the impressions it sends you, and keeping an awareness of the way your brain works (what sort of physical activities/emotions trigger it) as well as being able to identify outside influences are attempting to penetrate your mind allows you to ignore them, because your connection and communication with soul allows you to.

As to the "exact" things that lead me to achieve this - those were the things that I needed to learn. My path. Would this path work for someone else? I have no idea.

When I speak of study - I speak of one subject leading to another - leading to another. I went from studying old testament prophecies (in a desperate attempt to validate what I had been taught) to studying other ancient religions and subjects that eventually lead me to quantum physics and metaphysics.

I went from simple breathing meditation to focused meditations to energy awareness meditations and so on. Eeach step helped me to reinforce that communication with soul.

I wish there was something I could offer you as a starting place - some sort of catalyst of your own that would propell you into that awareness and understanding, but all I can offer is this; if you are aware that they are controlling you - and want to be free of it - make that the desire of your heart. Fill yourself up with it. But even more importantly BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE DONE. Again, the mind is just that powerful. If you believe that it can be done, that the connection can be restored, then IT WILL BE. Your mind will find a way to divest itself of those layers of control, manipulation and illusion. It will find a way to re-establish that connection with soul - to uncover the link that has been burried. And once that connection is re-established you'll understand what I mean that it can't be broken/burried again, because you understand now what it means NOT to have it.

Good luck :)

[kersley]

It could have been your pineal gland activating. I’m only saying this because of your statement about “being all knowing”.

IMO, an outside force can only influence your mind if you allow it to. All you have to do is believe such a danger can happen to you. I don’t believe this can happen if you don’t want it to, but that’s just me. I’ve trained myself for years to shield away any outside negative influence….simply by not giving the thought any power. I’m thinking your anticipation was the culprit in this case.


Peace

This would make perfect sense because the pain was all at the back of my head. I don't think i was been controlled, I believe I'm too strong and focus for that. They can try, thats all i can say
Regards K

[kersley]

i cant speak for anyone else, but i control my mind.
i'm not what i was.
in my life, ive been broken so many times that i realised there is a part of me, that is entirely unaffected
even if my mental process doesnt work at all.
that helped me to realise that i am not my mind, my mind is a tool, thats all.
i can exist without it.
ive taken myself to a point where my mind is unable to process the experience i'm having quite often!
mostly these days i use my imagination in a pattern recognition kinda way,
its far better. a picture says a thousand words....
so moving pictures allow a much deeper understanding, and its all instantly visible to me.
that sure beats the hell out of linear thought.
but i often find myself seeing a picture, and i know i dont have to words to convey it to people.
it was ok at the start, the only one who has to understand the picture is me,
but i have to employ the mind if i want to tell someone what i see.

the thing is the system of thought we use, was given to us by someone else
its not our own construct.
i believe those in control dont have the abilities we have
the controllers have their own way of doing things,
they pass it onto us at school, but personally i reckon its the wrong operating system.
pictures are natural to us.
symbolism is the oldest form of communication, but we have moved from that, to words.

the image i see now, is a small star inside a scaffold framework.
the scaffold represents the mind,
the star represents the being....
they have convinced the being, that it is the mind.

its been 13 years since i broke that spell.

And what about those who can't see? I mean see wth ther eyes. But yet they can feel, and know things that way..????

[Realeyes]

Thank you Omniverse for your posts on psychic attack/mind control; I find some of your comments most interesting.

In 1998 I was young and naive and only believed in ‘love and light’. During a spiritual trip to Egypt, out of the blue I suddenly became under major psychic attack from black opps remote viewers. These attacks went on for days, I was terrified in my waking state and even more terrified to fall asleep – it was a living horror. I don’t really want to go into it, but psychic attack is very real – so real in fact that it almost killed me. Whoever these opps were, they were working alongside with other entities from dark realms.

It was during sleep where I was most vulnerable, to the point that ‘they’ (whoever they were) one night almost won by attempting to place my Soul in a ‘stasis’!!!!

Unknowest to me, while this was happening, my room mate was slapping me around my face in desperation to awaken me as my body became lifeless to the point of being dead.

In the Astral during this horrendous experience, I called out every Ascended Masters name I could think of – I even called upon God – BUT not one Being replied or assisted as my life was fast ebbing away. This is not an experience I would wish upon anyone.

I finally resolved to the fact that I was done for and stopped struggling as I was being sucked into a very dark vortex and decided my final moments would not be wasted on ‘them’ but rather on myself; celebrating who I was, my life and divine Spirit. It was during this very act of SELF LOVE that magic occurred and I began to rise up out of this dark vortex, higher and higher as my whole being filled with overwhelming love words cannot describe. I kept this focus, no matter what illusionary reality they threw at me..... Moments later with a huge deep gasp of breath, I came back to physical life with my friend in tears still slapping my face whilst doing Reiki on me (she had been doing this for around 10 mins).

Although this was a horrendous experience and I was extremely shaken, it taught me something priceless – Pure Love, Divine Self Love connecting to the ALL/SOURCE was the answer. ‘They’ could not touch me while I was in this all encompassing Love. Had I kept struggling, fearing them, feeling a victim etc, I would not have been able to save myself or live to tell this story.

For those of you who have not experience such things, I can totally understand how it is hard to believe such things exist. Until it happened to me, I too was a non-believer. From these experiences, I am now wiser – and although I do not welcome more of such experiences, I also see how it allowed me to dramatically grow and ironically I thank ‘them’ for that – it brought out the spiritual warrior in me - priceless! ;)

[SKAWF]

And what about those who can't see? I mean see wth ther eyes. But yet they can feel, and know things that way..????

i envy them in some respects
all the other senses will be more finely tuned.
when you have good eyesight, you tend not to use the other senses as much,
but if you cant see, you tend to listen more,
and use touch to feel whats there.

[Omni]

Who is THEY?
I assume the US shadow gov. Possibly ETs too.

And, IF you are NOT aware then this can possibly happen.

So you are saying to not be mind controlled, all one has to do is believe it's not possible, but be aware of it? This really doesn't ring true...


Sorry to hear of your mind control issues, but I don't see how it can happen without your consent.
Easy. Mind control is a science. Do people consent to being abused? Do people consent to being shot? How about disease? Consent to that? No. It does not require consent. Consent means order and honor. While there does seem to be order involved in my situation, honor, they lack.

I don't see how consent would change a thing unless it was under the order of beings who follow rules, in which the shadow gov does not follow rules, it does what it's capable of doing. Order probably only exists due to ET/ID deals or control(if it exists).



I just don't see it and I will not promote the possiblity of such practice... especially when there is little to no proof of it happening...unwillingly.
I'd say less than 1% of mind control victims consent. I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. Astral =/= mind control. There are thousands of mind control victims out there who never consented to it.


There is no way someone can persuade me to do something I don't like or want to do...
This is clearly false to me. So you are saying if someone was a psychopath, and had a gun to your wifes head, you wouldn't do what he said? Sorry for the crude example. But I see illusions in your words...

The mind is open source...


not if I know who I'am and what I 'am here to do.
I know who I am, and I know what I'm here to do. Doesn't change it...


Maybe you can elaborate a bit more on your mind control scenario. It seems to me that you are set in your beliefs about this, how unfortunate.

Some things I'd reconsider. Other things are 100% proven. Such as one has to agree to be mind controlled... I've posted hundreds of posts regarding my situation. They infiltrated me at a young age with mind control, and control me almost all hours of the day, although often it's a type of control that allows myself to come through, or a simulation of such..


Edit: child manipulation is nothing new. all children are sponges and primed to be followers. It is when they become KNOWERS and thinkers that will afford them protection.

Peace

I've always been a thinker. I was more of a thinker when I was a kid than most adults around me. And "knowers" are often quite delusional on this planet in my experiences...


Yes - I had this connection when I was very young; well, up until the time I was about sixteen years old - or rather, by the time I was 16 the connection had been burried under layers of the conditioning to the point that it could no longer be felt.

Seemingly so did I. But they were still able to mind control me as a child... this speaks against your theory(it is a theory IMO).


We are ALL born with this connection
As I said, they mind controlled me as a child. This appears to contradict your statement that a soul connection makes it impossible to manipulate with mind control.



As to them breaking the connection - they can't, as you are born with the connection, but they can 'gum it up' with enough junk that you can't SENSE it.

I feel this is wrong too. If society conditioning can break the connection, they probably can do so synthetically. They are able to program any natural programming instantly at this point(with me)...


For me my "break" when it came, was in the form of the birth of my youngest daughter. She is a crystal (that's the easiest way to describe her); a catalyst of change, and her energy literally cut through entire layers of illusion and sent me into deepression I can hardly bear to mention, but as I remembered who I was, and everything that I had NOT been for the last dozen+ years it got worse and worse. The depression was spawned by the knowledge that I was so much more than the life I was then living, and that I didn't see any way out of it.

Something doesn't add up. I thought it was study and meditation that did it. How can I achieve the stimulus of a "crystal" daughter...


Leraning how to meditate saved my life. It allowed me to reach that deep connection that had been burried over the years in layers and layers of conditioning. It has taken time and effort and energy, but when, after I had broken through the final layers of the illusion I'd been living under, of the walls they'd constructed in my mind and once again touched that soul connection in all it's purity and openness, there was no mistaking it. EVERYTHING fell into place.

This makes no sense to me unless they allowed it. They can control what you learn, they can control your desire to learn, they can delete memories(good luck recovering THOUSANDS of deleted memories as I have had done to me). Perhaps they had never witnessed what you did. They can stop me from meditating. When I do meditate they do not allow much thought to enter my mind. I sit there in tranquility in a practically blank mind. I do not sense any soul connection happening though.

What do you mean by meditation. It can mean all sorts of things... Please explain in detail what you do mentally during this meditation.


More than that, the AWARENESS of what they had done, of what CAN be done of their ability to desensitize you to your soul connection and to build up those layers and walls; that awareness keeps you from letting it happen again. You can, of course, LOOSE that awareness (if you let yourself become complacent and neglect keeping that connection open).

If you can lose it naturally, it can be done with mind control too.


And no, they cannot affect your brain.
I don't see how this is possible. The brain is an exposed physical object that science pertains to still IMO. It ages, it's under the same variables as other physical objects. I feel them do things to my brain often. Pains in certain areas etc(Ive had them in every area of my brain I can detect, but not at the same time). Unless I could fully integrate to my soul, and not even use my brain, I don't see this as likely the truth.


Not if your connection with soul is seamless. When you have re-established (or rather uncovered) that connection and can once again sense it, the key is to TRUST it. You're older and wiser now - you've learned your lesson (what it is possible to do - bury that connection). But trusting what the soul tells you; the impressions it sends you, and keeping an awareness of the way your brain works (what sort of physical activities/emotions trigger it) as well as being able to identify outside influences are attempting to penetrate your mind allows you to ignore them, because your connection and communication with soul allows you to.

I'd love this to be true :p But as I said, if you attained this achievement by using your mind and focus, it's something that they can keep out of reach if they know what to prevent from being there... What to prevent from spiraling and evolving into a soul connection.


As to the "exact" things that lead me to achieve this - those were the things that I needed to learn. My path. Would this path work for someone else? I have no idea.

When I speak of study - I speak of one subject leading to another - leading to another. I went from studying old testament prophecies (in a desperate attempt to validate what I had been taught) to studying other ancient religions and subjects that eventually lead me to quantum physics and metaphysics.

I went from simple breathing meditation to focused meditations to energy awareness meditations and so on. Eeach step helped me to reinforce that communication with soul.

I wish there was something I could offer you as a starting place - some sort of catalyst of your own that would propell you into that awareness and understanding, but all I can offer is this; if you are aware that they are controlling you - and want to be free of it - make that the desire of your heart. Fill yourself up with it. But even more importantly BELIEVE THAT IT CAN BE DONE. Again, the mind is just that powerful. If you believe that it can be done, that the connection can be restored, then IT WILL BE. Your mind will find a way to divest itself of those layers of control, manipulation and illusion. It will find a way to re-establish that connection with soul - to uncover the link that has been burried. And once that connection is re-established you'll understand what I mean that it can't be broken/burried again, because you understand now what it means NOT to have it.

I now believe it can be done. And I have and continue to express to myself and anyone listening, that I desire freedom and my own self. I sincerely hope you are not under any illusions and what you say is true, part of me thinks they may have allowed you to achieve this though(or possibly even served this illusion to you, as iI know all you say can be done with mind control). I don't see how I could achieve a connection to my soul if they already know how that is done with the mind. I think the soul would have to make it's own decision, and penetrate that way.

[Chelle]

Hi,
I would just like to point out that although I divulged my experience in the other thread and I still stand by it--it is true. I was in no way mind controlled, this was a free experience please do not put me as a mind controlled individual as I was most definitely not.

I am and have always been in full control of my mind-it's mine after all.

Kind regards
Chelle

[dmarie]

I've had mild to severe headaches since joining this forum and feelings of sickness. Some of it is intuition saying "stay away from this or that" and others are outside energetic forces. And ever since joining here I've had one thing after another, after another go wrong....which I have never thought when something went wrong that it was this or that, it just was, but this was much different and still continues to this day.

I also know when someone is trying "read me" or whatever you want to call it, I physically feel the pulling at my energy and especially tugging in my head. I know that sounds very strange, but I know those of you that have experienced this know exactly what I'm talking about. I have this happen day in and day out and even in my dreams (I awoke to this last night). It's extremly bad today that I can barely type which I've not noticed ever before....it impairing my thinking. I know this sounds ridiculous to some, but there is absolutely psychic attacks.

[Rocky_Shorz]

the answer is, we are...

before Charles arrived, I had intense migraines like I've never experienced before, one day I let the pain build forming a massive energy ball, and released it in a psychic SCREEEAM!!!

I saw 3 beings slumped over unconscious...

it wasn't until Charles arrived and mentioned 3 were knocked out and only 4 remained that I realized what happened wasn't imagination.

needless to say, they haven't tried again, but we are connected, if they reach out at any of us, we can protect each other...

Avalon is standing stronger now, than ever before...

They know it, but we haven't quite figured it out yet...

once we do, they'll know it is game over...

[sshenry]

Something doesn't add up. I thought it was study and meditation that did it. How can I achieve the stimulus of a "crystal" daughter... .

She was the breaking point - the catalyst (staring point) that propelled me into the research and study, the reason that I began meditation. Her birth (and her energy) was what cut through layers of the illusion and exposed the fact that I HAD been controlled. It still took me years of study and meditation to break through the layers of illusion, the walls that had been constructed before I truly felt that soul connection again. But before you can correct a problem, you have to know that the problem exists. Her birth was what jolted me into that realization.

I've known others who have been 'jolted' by unforseen circumstances; accidents, deaths, near death experiences etc., while others only come to the realization after years of experience.

I'm in no way saying that it was an instant process *daughter born/ bing I'm free* it was like suddenly having someone flip on a light switch and revealing that you've been living in a huge mansion instead of the one room you thought was yours. It may take a good deal of time to make your way through the rooms and hallways and out of the front door.


I now believe it can be done. And I have and continue to express to myself and anyone listening, that I desire freedom and my own self. I sincerely hope you are not under any illusions and what you say is true, part of me thinks they may have allowed you to achieve this though(or possibly even served this illusion to you, as iI know all you say can be done with mind control). I don't see how I could achieve a connection to my soul if they already know how that is done with the mind. I think the soul would have to make it's own decision, and penetrate that way.

I'm glad you want that - that you feel that - it's the first step to achieving true freedom. And believe me, there have been days when I've asked myself the same thing - if it might not be an illusion. And yet, when I am quiet inside, when I block out all incoming negative energies and tap into that quietness - that KNOWING that is deep inside, there's no question in my mind that it is real. There is nothing that puts me on edge or makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, or my stomach turn over and clench. Just rightness.. Calmness. I wish I could describe it better.

[Tony]

This a wonderful discussion, great to read.

One thing...Humour! Humour knocks mind control for six.

Don't forget the cosmic joke. No thing is real.
This non thing is your cognisant empty essence = zero.
Zero got excited at what it saw and created 1. the illusion. Then 2. Then 3 and so on = the Big Deal illusion

[Rocky_Shorz]

but what if what you think is illusion is real and what is real, illusion?

[Darla Ken Pearce]

The topic of this thread is like throwing out there, "When did you stop beating your wife!" Please, don't start out threads with a negative assumption. This 3D circular thinking is exactly how others are able to control us! If Charles can give you headaches, it gives him great power over you ~ not only your heart but your body and mind as well. Did you see how easy that was? Please...

Do not give away your own power so casually. Some symptoms of ascension are exactly as described, I know because I've been through a lot of them myself. No one else is responsible but ourselves. It is a signal from our body to our mind that something is happening within our own brain. Could it be DNA restoration or something sinister? You tell me because as creators we are doing this to ourselves and from within ~ no puppet masters need be called forward. Your ego can play all these silly roles and it does, in fact, get pretty silly.

We are so powerful ~ and you KNOW THIS DEEP INSIDE ~you cannot even stand the sound of it. The power of all you are and may become. It's quite REAL, BABE!

You know how Charles got an audience was in telling things that are known to be true. He warned about those watching TV and the extensive brainwashing this involved and it's still going strong in many of your own homes! We all hoped this sows purse might be the magnificent St. Germain. Wrong guess. What might make this suspect? How he lived his life as an assassin for goodness sake. How he was a target for anything that could crawl out of a cesspool, for goodness sake. Get real!

Headaches? Commercials that blast you out of your seats at home and mindless sit coms and brainless programing for zombies yet you are all too willing victims and now you throw out all that Charles has told us? Be real! Much of my own research found some of the things he said, and they were true and valid. He sprinkled them in between agendas and it was effective from the looks of it ~ as it always may be for those willing to give away their power to others.

Choose me. Let me be special. The fact is, you are already very special and don't even perceive how this might be so.

So what is the difference between Charles methods of research and mine? I reached them by completely separate means and mine took ten years of research or more but it's the same conclusion. Yes, people have been able to control us. Some basics truths are always in play and they have been gone over with a fine tooth comb in many forums on Avalon.

Headaches? Drink lots of water. We are all in the process of changing our whole body and chemistry system over from Carbon to Crystalline. Hello, please pay attention now. We have the full capability of restoring and healing and activating our own DNA strands and there are no limits to what each of us may accomplish. Whatever you believe in these matters is what will manifest in your world. You control this...

Will we use our talents, gifts, and skills to help others get ready to ascend or will we use this knowledge as just another means to gain control and domination over others as happened here. Let's focus on the end result. This basic question is what needs to be worked out now in our own hearts and minds.

NO matter if we gave away our power at some point or another even up to this very moment. What matters is how we go forward and if we can in this one instance, take back the full responsibility for our own happiness. My happiness is not going to be your happiness and it need not be. Whether we love and assist each other or not, is the only questions that lies unanswered now. Now let us go forth and create something wonderful, beautiful, and praiseworthy! It's a choice just like your headache. Thanks! Much love! xoxoxoxox

P.S. I'm off now to take two excedrin Migraine tablets, two aspirin and drink lots of clear mountain water. Ascension is not painfree, have I mentioned that before? Oh, well.

[Tony]

but what if what you think is illusion is real and what is real, illusion?

Whatever you think......is an illusion.
It is made up, changeable, a concept.

But that which sees the illusion, is absolute unchanging reality, the source, god-consciousness, soul....the real you.

In the stillness of meditation it cannot be found, but is realised.

Because we are constantly distracted, we do not notice essence.

When pointed out, it can be most disappointing...Oh! is that all...it was there all the time.

Tony

[Sierra]

but what if what you think is illusion is real and what is real, illusion?

Well Rocky that seems to be the problem doesn't it? LOL! From someone I know further along the path than I am, detachment and observation is the key to discernment of illusion.

[sshenry]

but what if what you think is illusion is real and what is real, illusion?

Whatever you think......is an illusion.
It is made up, changeable, a concept.

But that which sees the illusion, is absolute unchanging reality, the source, god-consciousness, soul....the real you.

In the stillness of meditation it cannot be found, but is realised.

Because we are constantly distracted, we do not notice essence.

When pointed out, it can be most disappointing...Oh! is that all...it was there all the time.

Tony

No bells. No whistles. Just that calm inner KNOWING.

[Peace of Mind]

I see where you’re coming from Omni…

Yes, I know the gov is up to no good and ET’s have yet to be proven. If you are so sure mind control is a science, then you must know how it’s being done/used. Can you give some details on this?

When I say consent I’m talking about allowing your mind to be used by others. Sorry, but again I can’t see how this can happen to a person that recognizes his/her own thoughts/motives. Violence, abuse and disease are no different. Only you can allow someone to abuse you…simply by your very actions before the abuse/violence happens. If you don’t take care of your body then it will begin to fail.

I never heard of these thousands you speak of, but I’m sure with the right amount of love and awareness of self they will be in control of their own minds. Many of the ones I’ve heard about being manipulated lacked love of self and harbor lower energies that most likely made them eligible to these influences. You can also be manipulated by love…but it’s up to you. I still don’t believe this can happen to anyone that is aware of it happening, they can just block it out. Why isn’t everyone under these attacks? It would sure be easier for the shadow gov and/or ET’s to get what they want when you have the power to delude everyone…

Psychopath can’t harm me because I don’t allow them to; it’s really just that simple. I can’t truly prevent harm from happening to others; only advise them on how to prevent it.

You said you have been mind control since a early age, perhaps the influence at such a tender age made you susceptible to future attacks…it seems a link may have been subconsciously created… as mostly all youngins are very easy to persuade, many kids grow up subliminally allowing all kinds of things to happen to them. They think its normal and/or feel powerless because they are not yet fully knowledgeable enough on how this reality works. They don’t know of their own power and many will probably never learn because their parents and/or social network also are not in the know.

This all sounds like hypnosis, which has already been proven not to work on everyone. Unless, they allow it by obeying the commands that will put them under the spell…and even then failure sometimes follows.

So, what was the reason for your mind control? Why were you attacked for so long? Were they preventing you from doing something or making you into something they can use? To be controlled for so long, there must be a reason for it.

Peace

[NancyV]

Peace of Mind, I have the same views as you do and I am unable to be successfully controlled. I certainly can be attacked and have to throw off these attacks when they happen. I posted about an attack I experienced from a malevolent being I considered to be a dark sorcerer or black magician associated with Charles/Stephen...here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22104-DISCUSSION-ATTICUS-and-THE-GROUP-OF-18&p=238906#post238906 In that post is a link to another post I made in February about the attack.

As far as Omniverse being controlled and our opinion that he is allowing it; When I first read the thread he started about his experiences I had the same reaction as you, Peace. Later I opened up to the possibility that he is correct, for his situation, and if he is correct about himself perhaps that situation exists for others. Since I know that I have total control over my mind and that no being can successfully control me, I automatically think it is the same for all souls. I have experienced this absolute control on all dimensions up to the Source. My logic, intuition and knowledge tells me that it is the same for all souls. Similarly, Omniverse thinks that because he has no power to stop those who are mind controlling him that it is the same for all souls.

However, I came to the realization that I must discard this belief or knowingness along with all other beliefs I have that may limit me to not seeing other possibilities. Omniverse may very well be a different type of soul or perhaps he has a different type of mind that can be controlled successfully by a certain type of technology. It very well may block his access to his full powers and even if he wants to be free he may not be able to attain that without some intervention by someone who IS more powerful than that which is controlling him. Once he is released then he could possibly have access to his full powers and block further attempts at control. That's just one possibility. Omniverse, you might want to ask Inelia or Sepia if they can help in any way or give you some suggestions that may aid you.

This arrangement between you and that which controls you may be an agreement you made before you came into this body. This may be one reason why it started at such a young age. If you willingly made this agreement it could be another reason you know you have no control over stopping it. As you can see I keep slipping back into thinking that ultimately it can only control you with your agreement, whether it is agreement now or from a prior arrangement.

My point is there are so many possibilities that we cannot say we KNOW what is possible for everyone. I certainly know what is true for me and what my abilities are. I know what it feels like to merge with the Source and create the Creation and I know there is nothing and no one more powerful than I am. Since we are ultimately all One it is a logical jump to say my knowledge is true for us all, but perhaps that is only when we are merged as One either on another dimension or within the Source. Anywhere in the Creation...anything is possible.

Nancy :)

[ghostrider]

everyone is under some sort of mind control, it's been entrenched for so long people don't even notice it. do you take the same route to work? do you shop at the same stores? do you listen to the same radio station? do you watch the same channels? do you break for lunch at twelve? do you end your work day at five? the matrix is a system designed to control every aspect of your life without you seeing it. try this, tommorrow break the program, take a different route, listen to a different station, shop at a different store, you get the picture. break the programing see if you can do it simply or does it take effort?

[astrid]

There is mind control and mind control.

There are so many layers to this onion that you need a new onion.

But at least we are talking about this....

The highest level of this, and we are talking black op gov PSI warfare here, can't be thrown off with cold showers and simple awareness.

Its unrelenting, day and night, and creates inner conflicts, confusion, brain fog, think suppression here.

They can plant anything in anyone's mind, and its not always dark either.

By that i mean, they will use what ever works, what that persons "currency" is.

Whatever they have to do to keep a targetted individual that they mark as a problem off the game they will do it.

More out of the box thinking needed here.

Yes awareness is good, its a start, but it must be understood what we are dealing with here.

Think Jake Simpson, Think Duncan O'finian , then you understand what they have in their kit.


A

[modwiz]

There is mind control and mind control.

There are so many layers to this onion that you need a new onion.

But at least we are talking about this....

The highest level of this, and we are talking black op gov PSI warfare here, can't be thrown off with cold showers and simple awareness.

Its unrelenting, day and night, and creates inner conflicts, confusion, brain fog, think suppression here.

They can plant anything in anyone's mind, and its not always dark either.

By that i mean, they will use what ever works, what that persons "currency" is.

Whatever they have to do to keep a targetted individual that they mark as a problem off the game they will do it.

More out of the box thinking needed here.

Yes awareness is good, its a start, but it must be understood what we are dealing with here.

Think Jake Simpson, Think Duncan O'finian , then you understand what they have in their kit.


A

Just a little addendum: They can plant anything they want in anyones mind, true. You and I, or They, can plant many kinds of seeds at the beach and the chances are none of them will grow. Ultimately, it is all about terrain. We would all do well to, mind our minds.

[loveandgratitude]

If one allows the negative force into the thought stream of this earth world, it is like injecting poision into the body. But for those that live on spiritual energy, a higher vibration shall do the opposite and nuture the body, building an invisible force of love which shall protect, give life and lift all they see, meet or know into higher awareness. Actually, a human lives in three worlds -

. The human consciousness
. The spiritual consciousness
. The psychic consciousness

A human must learn to live in all three simultaneously and singularly, whilst trying to bring together the lower selff and the higher self to make them one. The lower self represents the negative force/power and Soul represents the higher power.

Thus the eternal paradox. Only by looking within and quietly inviting spirit into our lives, then we find the love and protection we need to survive this world.

[sshenry]

There is mind control and mind control.

There are so many layers to this onion that you need a new onion.

But at least we are talking about this....

The highest level of this, and we are talking black op gov PSI warfare here, can't be thrown off with cold showers and simple awareness.

Its unrelenting, day and night, and creates inner conflicts, confusion, brain fog, think suppression here.

They can plant anything in anyone's mind, and its not always dark either.

By that i mean, they will use what ever works, what that persons "currency" is.

Whatever they have to do to keep a targetted individual that they mark as a problem off the game they will do it.

More out of the box thinking needed here.

Yes awareness is good, its a start, but it must be understood what we are dealing with here.

Think Jake Simpson, Think Duncan O'finian , then you understand what they have in their kit.


A

Awareness is not enough eh? Sorry, but experience has taught me otherwise.

To say that they are stronger than we are; that they have power we do not is robbing each and every human of their potential and true ability.

Each and every individual human is as strong as anyone in any government agency with any amount of technology at their control, why? Because we have that divine connection - and if we maintain communication with it and connection between the three aspects of our self, there is nothing that can be implanted or done - unless we allow it to.

[Heartsong]

Psychic attacks, I assume, are initiated by psychic attackers - be they human, ET, or whatever.
What is their motivation and how do they choose their victims? What do they get out of it?

[astrid]

There is mind control and mind control.

There are so many layers to this onion that you need a new onion.

But at least we are talking about this....


The highest level of this, and we are talking black op gov PSI warfare here, can't be thrown off with cold showers and simple awareness.

Its unrelenting, day and night, and creates inner conflicts, confusion, brain fog, think suppression here.

They can plant anything in anyone's mind, and its not always dark either.

By that i mean, they will use what ever works, what that persons "currency" is.

Whatever they have to do to keep a targetted individual that they mark as a problem off the game they will do it.

More out of the box thinking needed here.

Yes awareness is good, its a start, but it must be understood what we are dealing with here.

Think Jake Simpson, Think Duncan O'finian , then you understand what they have in their kit.


A

Awareness is not enough eh? Sorry, but experience has taught me otherwise.

To say that they are stronger than we are; that they have power we do not is robbing each and every human of their potential and true ability.

Each and every individual human is as strong as anyone in any government agency with any amount of technology at their control, why? Because we have that divine connection - and if we maintain communication with it and connection between the three aspects of our self, there is nothing that can be implanted or done - unless we allow it to.


I used to think the same, but i now know people that are dealing with this on a daily basis and its not as simple you might think.

The level i am talking about here is not the common PSI attack that most experience.

I'm not posting this for an argument,

but to support people i know that are suffering.

They need for us all to listen and open our minds a big further,

and not just to assume we already know it all.

[Carmody]

I too suffered from migraine headaches while engaged in the Charles Material. I am a person who does not get headaches, unless it is the mild kind the morning after a few drinks.

I was getting headaches that I would describe as severe. I decided to try a little experiment...I logged off and went outside for some fresh air and a glass of water. Within minutes, the headache was gone. I went back inside and logged back on and the pain was back, instantly, as if a switch had been flipped.

So I repeated the fresh air experiment and felt better again. Logged back on, and the switch was flipped again.

Repeat fresh air, but this time I didn't return to the Charles Material, a couple of hours on line and I felt great. Back to the CM and instant pain.

I played with this for a couple of days and the result was always the same. I could spend hours on line (I work form my computer, so at least 7 hours a day on line) with no ill effects. As soon as I engaged in a current thread, in real time, the headaches were back.

Interestingly, I discovered that I could read the material just fine so long as I was perusing posts that were a day or so old. It was only when I engaged in real time, current posts that the headaches came.

The only way that I can describe the experience was "unwholesome"

I had the same thing. To the point of an absolute scream, so bad it nearly put me on the floor. It nearly killed me, is what it felt like.

I don't get headaches. Ever. I can go for 5 years without taking a single aspirin. Not now, though!

Ever heard feedback from a microphone? Like that with a raw buzz added in. Knives of pain in the brain, and all over the head. Crawling sensations, all over my head.

If I move toward thoughts of trying to 'end this plague on humanity', the knife still comes back, to this day. I still get heat effects in my noggin, to this day. as in exaclty ONE hemisphere, the right, heating up. It has NEVER done that before. Not as a seperate singular item, that is.

One must be aware, though, that when this phenomena started, for me...it was right on the very first day of the last cycle of the Mayan long count. February 9th, 2011.

I also received my own personal chemtrails. Seriously. I'm slightly isolated in the area I'm at, the drop was done at dusk..when the air was still. And I never would have seen it happen if I had not left the house and just come back, as final darkness was falling. I saw the chemtrail just above the house, in a long run. About 2k-3k feet up. It took hours to settle out.

A friend did not believe me, so I told him to get in his car, get over here and see for himself. and he did. I was also getting a lot of black helicopter fly overs at the same time.

After that.... (after chemtrail) (AC) THAT was when the headaches really took off. I thought they would ....and they did.

Yes. Here is my post from Feb 9th.

my own personal chemtrail?

I just came home, I'm in the EST time zone.

I live just outside of the city.

I've got my own person chemtrails. Just over me.

Nowhere else.

I'm going back outside to check their length, to see how far they extend.

Too bad that it is too dark to see them with a camera. Too cold, as well.

The air is still, so they will be sure to fall straight down.

Perhaps I'm crazy, but who knows.

We shall see. All in all, an interesting day.

Perhaps It it just a very interesting coincidence.

For the nth time.

[Carmody]

I think we've all (most of us) been tagged.

If this pisses you off, well, get off your duff and do something about it.

[Omni]

I don't think i was been controlled, I believe I'm too strong and focus for that.
Regards K

I'm tired of people thinking they are superior to me spiritually or mentally. I've always been very spiritual, I've always had a strong mind and will. It doesn't matter. The mind is like a computer. Focus has nothing to do with if you can be controlled or not in my experiences.

Thinking you cannot be mind controlled makes you more vulnerable to it IMO. That is why I adamantly oppose thinking somehow believing you cannot be mind controlled, will actually effect the science of it. Try believing you wont be hit by a car, and jump out in front of one. See how that works for you.




She was the breaking point - the catalyst (staring point) that propelled me into the research and study, the reason that I began meditation. Her birth (and her energy) was what cut through layers of the illusion and exposed the fact that I HAD been controlled.

I already know most of the illusions I have been under. I've already been researching it. And they control my meditation 100%.



I see where you’re coming from Omni…

Yes, I know the gov is up to no good and ET’s have yet to be proven. If you are so sure mind control is a science, then you must know how it’s being done/used. Can you give some details on this?

They control my entire consciousness. If mind control is not a science than what is it? A phenomenon? Look at CIA experimentation for proof it's a science. Dr. Delgado in the 1960's.


When I say consent I’m talking about allowing your mind to be used by others.
There was a period of time where I accepted the control due to illusions. For years before that, and some time after, there was no accepting it. It was completely against my will.


Sorry, but again I can’t see how this can happen to a person that recognizes his/her own thoughts/motives.
It's not just inserting things into the mind(they have shown me that, and I beat it every time). It's controlling the perception and focus as well, on top of controlling the surface thoughts in the mind. The ability to discern between yourself and external forces can be controlled.


Violence, abuse and disease are no different. Only you can allow someone to abuse you…simply by your very actions before the abuse/violence happens. If you don’t take care of your body then it will begin to fail.

This is totall BS IMO. Are you saying JFK allowed the bullet to hit him? Are you saying people with bad genetics allowed such to happen(I'm not talking about pre-incarnationally)? There are other forces at work in this world and reality. They do not always ask permission... I don't see how you could not see this.


I never heard of these thousands you speak of, but I’m sure with the right amount of love and awareness of self they will be in control of their own minds.
Complete(annoying to me I may add) fallacies. I loved liberally before the main control started. And I am aware of who I am.


Many of the ones I’ve heard about being manipulated lacked love of self and harbor lower energies that most likely made them eligible to these influences.
I can feel the judgment from some people on this forum, and I do not like it. As if I'm some low energy, non spiritual, weak soul for being mind controlled. And it sickens me(momentarily). I cannot prove to you the capabilities of technology. But I do believe most if not all people who say they cannot be controlled are delusional in that regard.



I still don’t believe this can happen to anyone that is aware of it happening, they can just block it out.
I've been aware of it happening for years. This I know is false. Blocking it out? Sorry but you clearly have no clue about mind control if you think it can be blocked out by awareness of it happening(although that does install a significant defense to some aspects of it).


Why isn’t everyone under these attacks? It would sure be easier for the shadow gov and/or ET’s to get what they want when you have the power to delude everyone…

They probably do not have the resources to do such. Plus when you undergo psychic attacks or mind control it tends to open up the whole world to you in another light. In other words it wakes you up to some degree.


Psychopath can’t harm me because I don’t allow them to; it’s really just that simple.
I find this claim arrogant. So all the people psychopaths have hurt, allowed it? I find this claim fallacious.


You said you have been mind control since a early age, perhaps the influence at such a tender age made you susceptible to future attacks…
Just about the only thing you've said I potentially agree with.


it seems a link may have been subconsciously created… as mostly all youngins are very easy to persuade, many kids grow up subliminally allowing all kinds of things to happen to them. They think its normal and/or feel powerless because they are not yet fully knowledgeable enough on how this reality works. They don’t know of their own power and many will probably never learn because their parents and/or social network also are not in the know.

I was not easy to persuade as a kid. I was strongly psychic, I could not be deceived by anyone as far as I can tell and saw through people completely.


This all sounds like hypnosis, which has already been proven not to work on everyone. Unless, they allow it by obeying the commands that will put them under the spell…and even then failure sometimes follows.

Hypnosis failing on some doesn't prove it can not be technologically induced.


So, what was the reason for your mind control? Why were you attacked for so long? Were they preventing you from doing something or making you into something they can use? To be controlled for so long, there must be a reason for it.

Peace

My #1 theory is I was a threat to them. When I was in my teens I could speak to a university professor and teach them about their own teaching subject(albeit, I didn;t have as much knowledge as them, or even close. Just in some area, enlighten them to something they had not thought of).

I was told they subverted me from a college education in a field of science because of my past life memories/inertia as well. I'm not saying this is for sure true, but I do know I am potent, and I do know they have subverted me from my full potential in terms of education, health, love etc.


Peace of Mind, I have the same views as you do and I am unable to be successfully controlled.
Honestly, you don't know that for sure IMO. One of the first steps to successful mind control is installing an ignorance or illusion that they cannot be influenced or controlled as many arrogant state. I've had a lot of the same views. I used to think I was protected by angels or something. I used to think my mind was quite possibly too strong to be controlled. All proven later to be false on some level.



Since I know that I have total control over my mind and that no being can successfully control me, I automatically think it is the same for all souls.
I can't help but feel insulted every time someone thinks their soul is superior to mine, or they somehow have a better connection to God than me. Or they are somehow superior to me in terms of mental ability or determination or focus. You don't know that you cannot be controlled. You couldn't know that without knowing for sure the technology doesn't work on you. I'm not talking about some being. I'm talking about the science of the mind.

Basically what you are saying is on a utopian planet, you would not be able to participate in some of the best things imaginable. That you couldn't experience the apex of music. Mind control is a plus in Utopias. And a negative in hells like earth. Those that claim they canot be mind controlled, would resent that if we were on a Utopia.


I have experienced this absolute control on all dimensions up to the Source. My logic, intuition and knowledge tells me that it is the same for all souls. Similarly, Omniverse thinks that because he has no power to stop those who are mind controlling him that it is the same for all souls.

I do not think that(contrary to what they have mind controlled me to agree with at times, with my own mind I do acknowledge the possibility of the opposite, which is more than many of you can say). I do sense arrogance and illusions in people who think they cannot be mind controlled.


Omniverse, you might want to ask Inelia or Sepia if they can help in any way or give you some suggestions that may aid you.

I may try that if they are up for it. I asked Inelia to see what is going on with me. She said she sensed static and interference.


This arrangement between you and that which controls you may be an agreement you made before you came into this body. This may be one reason why it started at such a young age. If you willingly made this agreement it could be another reason you know you have no control over stopping it. As you can see I keep slipping back into thinking that ultimately it can only control you with your agreement, whether it is agreement now or from a prior arrangement.

While this is very possible, agreeing on our lives before we have them, I never consciously agreed to my full situation. I just don't see shadow govs acting on behalf of the decisions of souls either. I see them doing whatever they want.


My point is there are so many possibilities that we cannot say we KNOW what is possible for everyone. I certainly know what is true for me and what my abilities are. I know what it feels like to merge with the Source and create the Creation and I know there is nothing and no one more powerful than I am. Since we are ultimately all One it is a logical jump to say my knowledge is true for us all, but perhaps that is only when we are merged as One either on another dimension or within the Source. Anywhere in the Creation...anything is possible.

I couldn't ever believe I'm the most powerful being in the universe, or omniverse(unless I was proven such). I think knowing anything is possible is a good thing. I don't see that reflected by your assumptions that what works on me wont work on you though. I doubt you are implanted, I doubt you have remotely came close to dealing with what I do.

In reality you don't know if you can beat what I'm up against IMHO... Please don't take that as disrespect though Nancy. The respect is there for you from me.

[DianeKJ]

I'm sorry you are feeling this way Omni. I certainly don't feel I am superior to you. All I know is what I have experienced in regards to all this. Maybe I just got lucky, maybe I'm being controlled more than I'm aware of, maybe they scanned me and got bored, lol, I really don't have answers. I do know that what I felt was very real, very intense and that it is out there. Other than that, I'm still learning.

Again, I'm really sorry you are feeling this way. I hope you feel comfortable enough to keep sharing, I do feel it is helpful for us to talk about this and share our experiences with others.
:hug:

[loveandgratitude]

OMNI - we love you. You are such a valued member of this forum. All of us, each and every single one are on the road to discovery and adventure. There will be heartbreaks, there will be joys and some days are just boring. Whatever stage you are at, just know you are
unique and special like we all are. But the most important thing to know is that you are SOUL AND SOUL IS BEAUTIFUL.
OMNI - YOU ARE BEAUTIFUL

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-TpGCIGrQl2s/Td9nXoe83GI/AAAAAAAABZc/e9IRQJ7vHX0/s1600/YouAreBeautifulWoman.jpg

[NancyV]

Omni, for some reason you left out THIS statement I said about your situation:

However, I came to the realization that I must discard this belief or knowingness along with all other beliefs I have that may limit me to not seeing other possibilities. Omniverse may very well be a different type of soul or perhaps he has a different type of mind that can be controlled successfully by a certain type of technology. It very well may block his access to his full powers and even if he wants to be free he may not be able to attain that without some intervention by someone who IS more powerful than that which is controlling him. Once he is released then he could possibly have access to his full powers and block further attempts at control. That's just one possibility.
I was acknowledging that your situation and the way you have presented it has opened me up to the possibility that you are different from me and that I must expand my understanding to allow for your truth.

I wonder if you deliberately only picked out the parts where it looks like I am not believing you and deliberately missed the part where I believe that you are telling the truth as you believe it to be. Do you think maybe your controllers want you to feel that most people are ridiculing or disbelieving you? Maybe they want you to feel hostile, alone and misunderstood and do not allow you to easily accept or see when people support you.

But no matter what they want the truth is there will always be people who have huge hearts and can expand them to include you, even with all your strangeness. LOL... I am very bizarre and strange. So is my husband, so are my children and so are their spouses. I always tell them when they think someone is weird that those people probably aren't half as bizarre as WE are.

:hug: Nancy

[Omni]

Omni, for some reason you left out THIS statement I said about your situation:

However, I came to the realization that I must discard this belief or knowingness along with all other beliefs I have that may limit me to not seeing other possibilities. Omniverse may very well be a different type of soul or perhaps he has a different type of mind that can be controlled successfully by a certain type of technology. It very well may block his access to his full powers and even if he wants to be free he may not be able to attain that without some intervention by someone who IS more powerful than that which is controlling him. Once he is released then he could possibly have access to his full powers and block further attempts at control. That's just one possibility.
I was acknowledging that your situation and the way you have presented it has opened me up to the possibility that you are different from me and that I must expand my understanding to allow for your truth.

I wonder if you deliberately only picked out the parts where it looks like I am not believing you and deliberately missed the part where I believe that you are telling the truth as you believe it to be. Do you think maybe your controllers want you to feel that most people are ridiculing or disbelieving you? Maybe they want you to feel hostile, alone and misunderstood and do not allow you to easily accept or see when people support you.

But no matter what they want the truth is there will always be people who have huge hearts and can expand them to include you, even with all your strangeness. LOL... I am very bizarre and strange. So is my husband, so are my children and so are their spouses. I always tell them when they think someone is weird that those people probably aren't half as bizarre as WE are.

:hug: Nancy

I had no response to it really(due to them stopping any response from formulating in my mind).

I have been battling bad feelings they have been putting into me regarding people's claims of me being incompetent in terms of sanctity of mind, or weak minded, lacking love, don't know myself, soulularly inferior, etc.

A lot is possible. I do know that so far, some elements of control done to me in the past, are something I absolutely could not stop. But I am skeptical you could stop them yourself given how effective they are on me. What makes you superior in that regard? I'd like to be spared of the judgments of I lack love, or am spiritually inert, or don't know myself... Not that you have them. It just annoys me, and opens doors for them to manipulate bad feelings in me, and is a struggle(if I'm not in a hypnotic trance) to filter lower energies from coming into my words from feeling insulted as they freeze those feelings in me often when people make such claims.

Anyway I saw no flaws in the quoted segment. I was more in a mode of debate when responding. I suppose I could have said I see no flaws in it, but that goes without saying if I do not bring it up.

They are messing with my mind a lot in this post. Just FYI. I've reread it a bunch, every time they do the same thing. So if something is wacky, that would explain it.

And ty for the hug.

[ponda]

I have to back Omni up here.

I've had a lot of mind control done to me as well.I look on all of it as a learning experience of what is possible and how the world or our reality came to be the way that it is.Through this sometimes tortuous control i've come to see things completely differently than pre mind control.As Omni said earlier there are pluses to getting this harassment and a new outlook is one of them.

The thing that i have found is that you don't at first even notice it when it happens.There is no physical or mental sensation that alerts you to it.After quite a while of experiencing it you can start to notice some of the subtleties of it.The thing is that almost everyone who is directly mind controlled is blissfully unaware of it.This type of influence is much more widespread than many realize.

It can be VERY strong and yet you can't actually feel it.It's like you get an idea or thought or urge to do or say something and then you go and do it or say it.You can sometimes fight it but only if the source allows you to.I look on my experiences with it as lessons.

I agree that the black ops have this tech and possibly some humans have this ability as well but the real strong subtle stuff originates from et's and dimensional entities as well as astrals and thought forms or mind parasites.I also agree with Omni that there is a definite probability of a very advanced higher dimensional AI that is involved on this planet.IMHO this is how this matrix is controlled.

[Tony]

If you were asked, “Where is the nearest post box? Your mind out of kindness and eager to please,
would engage on my problem, to describe where I must go.
I am now controlling your mind. It has been distracted.

Anything that arises in the mind is a distraction, from its still centre.
The distraction can come from our own busy thoughts, or reactions to external events.
We could even be distracted by just being vacant, i.e watching TV.

We are mind controlled all the time, we are kept busy, then all one wants to do at the
end of the day is veg-out in front of the TV. That is 'their' plan.
This plan also coincides with the ego!!!!

However, the awareness of this fact cannot be controlled, just distracted.
The most powerful knowledge we have is Awareness of Awareness.
Then when a thought arises, there is no clinging to it.

Why is this important?

Most of the time we identify with our thoughts. We think the thoughts are us.
They are not. When we identify with the thoughts, emotions can easily spring up,
and then they are in control. You have been invaded! On observation,
thoughts steam into the mind constantly from all directions,
but the observation does not change. Interesting!

Pure awareness is empty, it's pure. We cannot do anything to this awareness,
or take anything away, and so can no one else. But they can play with the thoughts in your mind.

Just stop for a moment ........!

Meditation is the practice of resting in awareness. It is very simple, but there are pit falls to look out for.
Resting in the now, in stillness, can become a concept. There can be a subtle holding on to a state.
The purpose of meditation is liberation. To be in ones true essence is quite a advanced state (non-state).
So one can rest in a mere “I”. Barely meditating. Quite often is only when one stops meditating,
at that very moment meditation actually takes place! It's in the gap.
So breaking meditation from time to time is useful. The trick is not to be frozen in the gap.

The more one meditates the more everything is a reminder, and you are in control!
Actually you drop the control, and just be as it is.

Of course one doesn't have to meditate. There are other ways!

All the best
Tony

[Carmen]

Yes, awareness of awareness, I am aware that I am aware! Very powerful. Thank you pie n eal.

[sshenry]

If you were asked, “Where is the nearest post box? Your mind out of kindness and eager to please,
would engage on my problem, to describe where I must go.
I am now controlling your mind. It has been distracted.

Anything that arises in the mind is a distraction, from its still centre.
The distraction can come from our own busy thoughts, or reactions to external events.
We could even be distracted by just being vacant, i.e watching TV.

We are mind controlled all the time, we are kept busy, then all one wants to do at the
end of the day is veg-out in front of the TV. That is 'their' plan.
This plan also coincides with the ego!!!!

However, the awareness of this fact cannot be controlled, just distracted.
The most powerful knowledge we have is Awareness of Awareness.
Then when a thought arises, there is no clinging to it.

Why is this important?

Most of the time we identify with our thoughts. We think the thoughts are us.
They are not. When we identify with the thoughts, emotions can easily spring up,
and then they are in control. You have been invaded! On observation,
thoughts steam into the mind constantly from all directions,
but the observation does not change. Interesting!

Pure awareness is empty, it's pure. We cannot do anything to this awareness,
or take anything away, and so can no one else. But they can play with the thoughts in your mind.

Just stop for a moment ........!

Meditation is the practice of resting in awareness. It is very simple, but there are pit falls to look out for.
Resting in the now, in stillness, can become a concept. There can be a subtle holding on to a state.
The purpose of meditation is liberation. To be in ones true essence is quite a advanced state (non-state).
So one can rest in a mere “I”. Barely meditating. Quite often is only when one stops meditating,
at that very moment meditation actually takes place! It's in the gap.
So breaking meditation from time to time is useful. The trick is not to be frozen in the gap.

The more one meditates the more everything is a reminder, and you are in control!
Actually you drop the control, and just be as it is.

Of course one doesn't have to meditate. There are other ways!

All the best
Tony

Thank you Tony. So many wise words packed into one small space.

I wish there was a way to describe that stilness; that awareness in a way that convey the absolute freedom that it generates in such a way that people would WANT it and not be warry of it.

Perhaps the resistence to the stillness and the knowing is part of the attempt to keep as many as possible from achieving it?



If I have come across as not beliving in mind control, that is not the message I wanted to convey. I don't want anyone to think that I don't believe that mind control IS possible, only that I believe that there is a way to countermand it; to resist it; to undermine it and take back what is ours. That we have the knowledge and the strength necessary to do so.

[Anno]

[...]
I wish there was a way to describe that stilness; that awareness in a way that convey the absolute freedom that it generates in such a way that people would WANT it and not be warry of it.[...]

I describe it across my face with a smile. The only form of free advertising I condone. =]

[Peace of Mind]

Hmmm, interesting comments here.

Hi Omnivesre,

Well it’s becoming clear to me that some WILL allow this into their lives, but not me. What you speak of here will never ever enter my paradigm. The universe will not allow it simply because I don’t focus on it. If I left this topic thinking that there’s a possibility of this happening to me then there’s a good chance that it will…. and I will begin to personally encounter those who experience them. That’s how this game called life works. Life is what YOU make it; it takes your beliefs and brings them into reality.

I will not speak about JFK because we don’t/didn’t personally know him. I don’t know who he dealt with or what his mind set was like. All we know about him is what the media wanted us to know. Get my picture? The TV/Radio/internet are tools tptb use to create a mind set that will benefit their agendas…all they need from you is for you to believe in them and what they feed you…they will do the rest.

What other forces do you know of that’s secretly operating here? I hope you're not just saying this without being prepare prove it…propaganda on any scale is harmful. This is part of the reason why people are always falling victim...they believe in fear, they believe in things they don’t fully understand or have ever witnessed, the gullibility of man can always be seen in plain sight. Once they believe in self there is absolutely nothing their higher self will let happen to them…unless an agreement was arraigned.

As I stated before... I will NEVER be mind controlled, no matter how many people may want for me to witness it just so they can feel at ease for letting it happen to them. It happens because you believe it can happen, that’s my stance on it and it will never change. My life is basically where I want it to be because I’m stubborn in this way… And I’m proud of it because the results speak for them self. You may think I’m delusional because it happened to you (and a few others) but I don’t allow others to place their beliefs into my mind set. I know how this game/reality works. I will continue to live a safe successful productive happy life simply by not letting others place their beliefs over mines. If I started doing that, then I would probably be up here constantly posting text similar to what you’re posting. Sorry, but that won’t happen.

I’m not judging but stating facts about my life. I’ve seen people venture into this place and get their whole world turned upside down by a bunch of fear mongering unproven drama in most of these topics. It never affects me because I don’t participate in them, this is VERY VERY important to understand. This place has become flooded with suggestive content ready to be absorbed and released into the world… which could also be the work of TPTB. Instead of us working on and fixing the obvious issues we all KNOW exist, we often get caught up in unproven stagnated discussions. Something I rarely do.

If I believe I can’t block out negative influences…then I guess I will not. I HAVE felt them before and had no problem getting rid of them. Most of the time I feel them is when I come here….which is another reason why I barely post here anymore. Something strange happened to this place…

You do seem like a nice person Omni, I hope my post aren’t coming off as offensive. I’m merely stating what my life is like and it shouldn’t get you upset that I’m able to control ever aspect of it. I sincerely believe you can too…once you start believing you can.

This will probably be my last post on this topic because I’m not here to persuade anyone, nor do I have the time to attempt to. I just thought some may find something useful in my post to help them regain their power so they too can stop journeying on the victim’s road. You will never see me post anything that will cause fear….especially when it can’t be proven. I mean, what can that accomplish? All I’ll be doing is adding to the problem. This is how the elite gets the masses to co-sign to their negative ideas… they cleverly make the people talk about the unproven until they make it true by their consistent focus on the idea. I’ve already gave this topic more than enough of my energy. I only did this out of love for those seeking a life of bliss. I know how attracting certain things into your life work (by giving it attention), I don’t want to let this be a part of my life so I’m done with this discussion.

Live well, and stay focus on the happiness you want….although it can be a exercise at times (due to constant distractions) it has always been the only true way.

Peace

[Omni]

Hmmm, interesting comments here.

Hi Omnivesre,

Well it’s becoming clear to me that some WILL allow this into their lives, but not me.
I think you missed what I was saying. I didn't allow this to enter my life. It did so without my permission, and without my knowledge of it for many years.


What you speak of here will never ever enter my paradigm.
Ignore what you wish to. Unless you are targeted, I don't see much benefit for you knowing the truth to mind control anyway, minus you not posting fallacies to others anymore about it.


The universe will not allow it simply because I don’t focus on it.
This is your interpretation. I don't think you understand the universe on some levels given your posts about how not believing in mind control will make you immune to it.


If I left this topic thinking that there’s a possibility of this happening to me then there’s a good chance that it will….
You speak of fear, this looks like fear to me. Fear to acknowledge a possibility, in fear it will happen to you. Knowing one can be mind controlled does not attract mind control IMO. Being a threat, or powerful does(in my view). There is an agenda behind it.


and I will begin to personally encounter those who experience them. That’s how this game called life works. Life is what YOU make it; it takes your beliefs and brings them into reality.

Unfortunately life is not only what I make of it. There are other forces here too making what they will of life, that affects me(and you too).

As I said, it has been proven to me I did not bring mind control into my reality. I know some of what you say is blatantly false. It seems you have a defense mechanism in place guarding you from acknowledging what is possible as it may cause you fear or uncomfortable things(or may make it happen in your view). Maybe it's for your own benefit. But I can clearly see fallacies and ignorance in your words(as well as some wisdom too).


I will not speak about JFK because we don’t/didn’t personally know him. I don’t know who he dealt with or what his mind set was like. All we know about him is what the media wanted us to know. Get my picture? The TV/Radio/internet are tools tptb use to create a mind set that will benefit their agendas…all they need from you is for you to believe in them and what they feed you…they will do the rest.
My point was not everyone allows all their ailments. Which is very clearly true IMO.



What other forces do you know of that’s secretly operating here? I hope you're not just saying this without being prepare prove it…
What have you proven? You have proven to me you hold delusions. I cannot prove what powers exist on this planet in full. I think asking me to is a baited response of wanting me to be seen as a failure, as you quite surely know I cannot prove the dark powers that exist on this planet in full. In other words you manipulating the convo into an area that suits your views, as I cannot prove my claims. But have you proven your own claims? You can't, and you haven't. So you are holding me up to a standard you are not holding yourself up to.


propaganda on any scale is harmful.
So you are calling my and others testimony of mind control propaganda? Give me a break :p


This is part of the reason why people are always falling victim...they believe in fear, they believe in things they don’t fully understand or have ever witnessed, the gullibility of man can always be seen in plain sight.
You fear believing what I say will cause it to happen to you. You are no different.


Once they believe in self there is absolutely nothing their higher self will let happen to them…unless an agreement was arraigned.
All this talk of me proving what I say, yet you don't prove anything. And are making claims yourself, albeit more comfy ones for people to believe. Just as fear is not a good thing to have, delusion in thinking you are immune to all dark forces opens you up to them as well. Funny you would mention you CANNOT be mind controlled. you know what the force(s) say to me when people say that(at times)? "That is a trait we look for in targets, unawareness of mind control, or the belief it cannot effect them."



As I stated before... I will NEVER be mind controlled, no matter how many people may want for me to witness it just so they can feel at ease for letting it happen to them.
Maybe you are right. but it's not because you cannot be in most likelihood IMO. And certainly not because you choose to ignore the possibility of it happening. And no I would not feel at ease if you were proven wrong to yourself. I would rather people be delusional in thinking they cannot be mind controlled, and not mind controlled, than having that fairy tale shattered to them, and have their confidence broken and their world turned upside down.


It happens because you believe it can happen, that’s my stance on it and it will never change.
If you want to ignore the testimonies of others there is nothing I can do. I know you are wrong.


My life is basically where I want it to be because I’m stubborn in this way… And I’m proud of it because the results speak for them self. You may think I’m delusional because it happened to you (and a few others) but I don’t allow others to place their beliefs into my mind set.
There is a difference between someone placing a belief in your mind, and someone stating their life experiences show your own philosophy/beliefs as false. Be ignorant if you want. Fine by me. I don't see you benefiting from knowing the truth in this department anyway unless you were targeted.


I know how this game/reality works. I will continue to live a safe successful productive happy life simply by not letting others place their beliefs over mines.
You have shown me you don't fully know how this game/reality works conclusively. But I doubt you will heed my critique, and continue to be stubborn as you put it. It seems my reality would hurt your own reality. I can't blame you for ignorring my testimony and having defsne mechanisms in place. I can blame you for trying to hold me up to standards you yourself do not reach however.


If I started doing that, then I would probably be up here constantly posting text similar to what you’re posting. Sorry, but that won’t happen.
I'm posting my experiences and conclusions based on those experiences(which is hard to do at times due to how much torture and negative things people project at me for doing so). If you refuse to see from others point of view, you will miss out on some growth. But do as you wish. Your judgments upon what I am posting(I assume just in this thread), are misplaced I sense. I'm just stating what I know, and pointing out others delusions, as I would like them to point out to me if they saw them in me too(not subjective things, I mean conclusive fact they have been shown, as I have regarding your claims).


I’m not judging but stating facts about my life. I’ve seen people venture into this place and get their whole world turned upside down by a bunch of fear mongering unproven drama in most of these topics. It never affects me because I don’t participate in them, this is VERY VERY important to understand. This place has become flooded with suggestive content ready to be absorbed and released into the world… which could also be the work of TPTB. Instead of us working on and fixing the obvious issues we all KNOW exist, we often get caught up in unproven stagnated discussions. Something I rarely do.

Many of the the things I spoke of were proven to me. I find you blatantly misleading people in some of your assumptions. I have a duty to point that out. Your own claims are unproven too, also not even proven to yourself(unlike a lot of what I say to myself).


If I believe I can’t block out negative influences…then I guess I will not. I HAVE felt them before and had no problem getting rid of them. Most of the time I feel them is when I come here….which is another reason why I barely post here anymore. Something strange happened to this place…
Negative influence is a far cry from mind control in most cases.



You do seem like a nice person Omni, I hope my post aren’t coming off as offensive.
The only thing offensive was you portraying my posts in a negative light. Other than that I took no offense to what you have said.


I’m merely stating what my life is like and it shouldn’t get you upset that I’m able to control ever aspect of it.
I find it a delusion you control every aspect of your own life. I don't see how coexisting with others in that statement is possible unless you control all of them too. But I'm guessing you just didn't break down concept into words very well in that case rather than have blaring misunderstandings.

Most people do not deal with advanced mind control(unless you count their guides doing it possibly, ever thought of that? seeding intuition etc, lightside mind control, are all of you immune to that too who think you cannot be controlled?).


I sincerely believe you can too…once you start believing you can.

Belief doesn't alter hard coded aspects of science. Most people do not believe HAARP does anything, does that make it not do anything? Most people do not believe mind control is even existent, does that mean it isn't?

My beliefs are not too stubborn. They can change. My beliefs on mind control is from direct observation. That is what FORMED the belief. I did not hold the belief until I witnessed it hundreds of times. Safe to say you do have wisdom in your posts in this thread, but delusions too.


I just thought some may find something useful in my post to help them regain their power so they too can stop journeying on the victim’s road.

I do not feel I'm journeying the victims road. But I do get tortured and mind controlled. I do not sit around thinking I'm a victim much. I do not entertain victim mindsets of "feel sorry for me" etc. I just speak what has happened to me, as I feel I have a duty to.


You will never see me post anything that will cause fear….especially when it can’t be proven.
You have posted fear inducing things in this very post/thread, that are definitely not proven(they have actually been proven to others, they are wrong, which you refuse to consider). That if one believes mind control is possible it will probably happen to them. Your words have been clearly shown to me, proven to me, that you hold misconceptions about mind control. And your fear in terms of considering what I present is evident, too.


I know how attracting certain things into your life work (by giving it attention), I don’t want to let this be a part of my life so I’m done with this discussion.

I do not have any gripes with this statement. However I do know your unproven claims about mind control, are delusions.

[MariaDine]

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[Peace of Mind]

Omni,
You keep saying I’m delusional, how can I be? My life/reality doesn’t and will never correspond to the life you’re currently living. I just won’t let it happen, and it’s not because of fear. I don’t fear a thing. Fear is nothing but the unknown. Know and counter is all there is to it. A problem can not exist without a solution. But first, I choose not to give it energy because this is how manifestation works. Your constant statements about me being delusional are nothing more then opinions. Trust me (or not) when I say that no one/ or thing will ever have power over my mind. You can tell your manipulators that too, and I will continue to go through life and posting in this forum proving that they, anyone/thing will never be able to. Sorry if you don’t believe this…but that’s your choice. My choices are the only ones that matters when it comes to my well being.

I doubt that we are in any position to know exactly why others have ailments. That’s for them to figure out and deal with. It’s not really my problem to do so. I can’t let their misfortunes become mines. Sympathy and advice is the best anyone can do for others. They need to learn for themselves.

I’m never looking to make anyone into a failure; perhaps you are reading my post with a defensive attitude….which can be understandable to a point. But, my intentions are very clear.

My proof is in the way I go about life. Everything I do is not only for the betterment of myself, but for others as well. I have strong influences in the entertainment biz, law, the military, and other little endeavors here and there such as real estate, consultation, production and management. Maybe a few members here I know personally will confirm this. I’m actually a very happy busy bee, but does this really matter? There are and have been a few projects dedicated to the uplifting of mankind through music, vids, movies, fashion, etc.

Since I arrived here (at Avalon) I’ve been asking for proof to the many claims certain Whistle blowers have been stating as facts, unfortunately, I never received a PM or Email. I have the unique power to make some hugh changes in the world, but I, nor my partners will jeopardize their careers promoting fabrications or lies. I’m doing my part…and then some.

My life is grand, so much so that I’m compelled to share the practices I use to have it that way. In my youth, I’ve been shot, drunk poison (beer, alcohol), and dwelled in negative surroundings. Thru a few close calls and sitting down with old wise people I’ve manage to turn it all around at a early age, maybe this is why the universe and I work so well together…as most older people become set in their ways and have very little patience and faith in themselves because they were so well conditioned. Now, I have my houses, transportation, wealth in finance and health and have a few wonderful like minded friends and family to share and build with. It wasn’t always like this for me, but I’ve learned that complete focus on the positives made it all happen for me. No matter how many distractions and doubts I’ve faced I push thru it all and I’m proud and privilege to say it works. For me to provide further proof would be to give up my identity and others, And after that…then what? I’m persistent in what I say/do because we (as a species) dwell too much on fear and empathy. For me to truly enjoy this world the majority of people have to reclaim their power. It’s hard to when only a few can go thru life without having a cloud of misery hanging over them. I want us all to prosper.

I asked for proof from you because you are promoting fear, and ideas tptb would like to instill into the masses (knowingly or not). Let’s just say you are right, what do you hope to accomplish by making such claims, what are the results you're looking for? When I come to this place I’m only looking for truth in certain things like Aliens and Humanities true history. The rest (IMHO) will just have people chasing their tales and imagining worse case scenarios (due to the lack of authenticity). When I see this, I almost always avoid it…the only time I might intervene is to give my experience and advice on how to get what you want out of this temporary life.

The growth I can get from this topic is seeing how people are and can be disempowered. My knowledge of the universe is sufficient enough to get me what I need and desire.

This will be my last post in this thread, our redundancy in views can be time consuming and possibly a waste of that very time.

As I'm confirming my last post to this topic, I'll say "live well Omni", I truly mean this…

Peace

[Maia Gabrial]

I've suffered migraines and headaches, too, but this was before I ever came to Avalon.
You give power to whatever you believe in. So, I'd say don't give Charles so much credit....
Remember that you're a divine being yourself, with all kinds of powers yourself. One of them is to counter psychic attacks...or heal yourself.
Maia

[Tony]

I've suffered migraines and headaches, too, but this was before I ever came to Avalon.
You give power to whatever you believe in. So, I'd say don't give Charles so much credit....
Remember that you're a divine being yourself, with all kinds of powers yourself. One of them is to counter psychic attacks...or heal yourself.
Maia

Dear Maia,
You are so right.
If something or someone is an illusion,
talking about it makes it a double illusion.
It make it seem real when it is not.

It is a waste of precious energy.

I'm sorry you get headaches.

All the best
Tony

[Omni]

Omni,
You keep saying I’m delusional, how can I be?
I'm not saying you are delusional. I am saying you hold delusion(s). "Just about everyone on the planet is delusional in some way." That 'in some way' is important. I'm sure I hold some delusions about some things too. It's possible they controlled me to write delusional(as I refuse to reread every post they delete or fragment from my memory), but I'm pretty sure I just said you hold a delusion or two. Delusional means on a massive scale IMO. I didn't mean to make you think I think you are "delusional", just that you hold some misconceptions.

Saying one has to allow the circumstances to be mind controlled, is a delusion. This is proven to me. No ifs ands or buts. It's conclusive. I'm living proof(to myself anyway) that what you say about mind control is false. Saying if you acknowledge the possibility of mind control, it will happen, is fear mongering in a way IMO, and creates a rift in people reading who think to themselves "maybe i shouldn't think it's possible" which inherently would make them more vulnerable to it IMHO. And very well could be coming from a mind control source as well, your claim. They want people to think they cannot be mind controlled. As soon as you are aware of it being possible, it negates them being able to do a large portion of tactics because the chance of finding it out. If you are not aware of mind control(or think it cannot happen), anything that happens in between the ears, is perceived as ones self.




My life/reality doesn’t and will never correspond to the life you’re currently living.
As I said, ignore my testimony if you wish to. It doesn't change the reality of things.


I just won’t let it happen, and it’s not because of fear. I don’t fear a thing.
It's easy to say you wont let mind control happen, when no mind control perpetrators target you...


Fear is nothing but the unknown.
This is false. Fear is often the unknown, but not solely limited to. One can fear the 'known' too.


A problem can not exist without a solution.
I know your solution to mind control is a fallacy. I'm not saying there is no solution.


Your constant statements about me being delusional are nothing more then opinions.
It's a fact to me. Not an opinion. And see first reply in this post for your misinterpretation of my usage of the word "delusion"(not delusional).


Trust me (or not) when I say that no one/ or thing will ever have power over my mind.
I'm sure this makes you feel good to say(or read), it's a comfortable premise. But it is not backed by wisdom or acute knowledge IMO. Also it makes you an easier target to think it's not possible to be mind controlled. Also this statement shows you have no clue about programming. As someone said in this thread, everyone is mind controlled to some degree(not advanced mind control, what I speak of). Although that is more what you say, you have to give it power for it to work typically(or at least be oblivious to it's power).


You can tell your manipulators that too, and I will continue to go through life and posting in this forum proving that they, anyone/thing will never be able to.
Being unaware of mind control doesn't prove it didn't happen. You think they would make you aware of it? That's kind of the whole point, to do it covertly and keep the target clueless about it...


I doubt that we are in any position to know exactly why others have ailments. That’s for them to figure out and deal with.
Now you are singing a different tune. Previously you claimed they allow it to happen. Now you say we aren't in a position to know. This would be wiser of you to say about if you can be mind controlled or not. That would be intellectually honest with yourself.


I asked for proof from you because you are promoting fear, and ideas tptb would like to instill into the masses (knowingly or not).
You promoted fear as well by saying to people if they believe mind control is possible, it opens the doors for it to happen. Effectively saying open minded, or even knowing the truth, will cause them harm in a likelihood. And you are pushing your view without even knowing it's true. I on the other hand, know what I refuted from you is not true.

I have no intentions of promoting fear. What makes you think everyone here is so below you and fearful? I don't think awareness of the possibility of mind control, causes fear in a person who is well grounded. It's just an awareness.


Let’s just say you are right, what do you hope to accomplish by making such claims, what are the results you're looking for?
Awareness of mind control is the biggest defense against it that I'm aware of. I received a PM about how speaking the truth about mind control, you will be accused of fear mongering. And they were right :p If the truth causes you to fear, something is wrong in YOU, NOT the truth.



I'll say "live well Omni", I truly mean this…

You too.

[Omni]

I know how this game/reality works.

I couldn't find the exact quote(I only looked for about 2 min), but I found an inconsistency in your philosophy and claims. You say if we focus on something, it has a tendency to come to us. This involves other people bringing it to us. What this implies is, what we believe affects the actions of others upon ourselves. Basically you are counting yourself out of the whole picture by saying you control everything in your life, while at the same time saying what you believe will control the actions of others to bring things into your own life. As if they were controlled by variables of a matrix of attraction by belief, but you are not controlled by those variables yourself.


Trust me (or not) when I say that no one/ or thing will ever have power over my mind.

By your own belief system, the beliefs of others will affect your actions, and inherently your mind. See how this contradicts? Unless you think somehow you are above the system and mechanics you believe in.

In other words, you think by you believing in something, it has the power to make other people make it happen to you. Yet you don't think others believing in something will cause YOU to make it happen to them by saying you are the one in control of yourself 100%. That is a inconsistency in your posts.

What gives? Are you not part of the matrix that controls what attracts things to others too? Are you not controlled by the whole and all variables that attract things to people, as you think exists?

Like I said, your beliefs on mind control are wrong. And the chink in your philosophy shows either your philosophy is wrong, or you too are part of the matrix you believe constructs reality, effectively showing that you ARE controlled to some degree.

[jimbojp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spw5mAtlbtQ&feature=mh_lolz&list=LLQAS7ba_QACA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spw5mAtlbtQ&feature=mh_lolz&list=LLQAS7ba_QACA

It may be easy to mind control people using their own attatchments/aversions against them as advertisers do, but this stuff is a whole different ball game imo.

[PurpleLama]

The modulation of the reality by impartial universal forces can very much appear to be control if you have trained your consciousness to percieve forms of control. Interaction with the higher self can also be perceived as control, but with a more beneficial effect. We are all, every one of us, exposed to various forms of control both by the very agreements we entered into this incarnation with and in the form of nefarious powers that would use our energies to their advantage. One must break the filters through which one experiences to gain true discernment if one has been victimized by the latter. It is a very difficult lesson to have, in the eternal sense, but nothing is truly hopeless from the vantage of the eternal self. They are fortunate, those who have gained some insight into that state of being. It inspires confidence in those who have it and can appear arrogant to anyone still holding the bad end of the stick. It's two different aspects of reality that are two different realities for all intents and purposes. We should be compassionate toward those who hold different understandings than ourselves, UNLESS, the others understanding includes what would be an infringement upon ourselves.

[Carmody]

As we collectivity move to being spiritually or dimensionally aware, the first thing we will collectively encounter..is our individual fears, or ego. This, in the collective sense.

Thus, in the collective we will see ourselves egoically, reflecting this upon one another as that is what the ego does, it demands externalization (anything to keep attention off the ego).

So we revel in each other's ego (reflective) fears and the ego is getting what it wants. It is fighting to the death, using every trick in the book to keep you off of it's existence.... and living in externalized fears.

We are collectively having our egos duke it out. The battle ground is actually deep in the self but our egos demand that it not be them, and thus this fear rises en-masse, all due to ego fears on the individual level ---becoming the collective level.


This collective insanity is it's own form of a good sign, the rising panic is a sign that we are working on our ego. (oddly enough, it is self evident, but the ego does not want you looking at that, you see?) As in the end ...that is the primary point we must deal with.

[Davidallany]

Anything that arises in the mind is a distraction, from its still centre.
The distraction can come from our own busy thoughts, or reactions to external events.
We could even be distracted by just being vacant, i.e watching TV

Not for all minds Tony.
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[Tony]

Dear Davidallany,
That was simply wonderful, thanks you.
These words cannot be repeated enough.

Tony

[Carmody]

Anything that arises in the mind is a distraction, from its still centre.
The distraction can come from our own busy thoughts, or reactions to external events.
We could even be distracted by just being vacant, i.e watching TV

Not for all minds Tony.
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I know of a person who was with OSHO for nearly the entire 'run' he did. His name has been changed to what Osho gave (suggested) him, to this day. He still has a high opinion of OSHO. He says the cars and the adoration was not of OSHO's desire. However, my impressions, from the few conversations on the subject.. are that OSHO was not willing to damage the communication channel that the people invested in him, by overtly rejecting the 'things' and such that those who would listen, would thrust upon him.

[ulli]

Osho was the ultimate when it comes to non interference and tolerance, in my view...
The jovial Jupiter man
Four planets in Sagittarius
Yet he loved Gurdjieff's way of operating...
and Gurdjieff mostly played the Saturnian game, being a Capricorn

As teachers those two combined make a great mystery school.

[Carmody]

Osho was the ultimate when it comes to non interference and tolerance, in my view...
The jovial Jupiter man
Four planets in Sagittarius
Yet he loved Gurdjieff's way of operating...
and Gurdjieff mostly played the Saturnian game, being a Capricorn

As teachers those two combined make a great mystery school.

I have Mercury, Sun, Pluto, Uranus, and POF, all conjunct, in the 11th/10th (Placidus), in Virgo. max spread is Pluto at 3.5-3.9, the others at about 0.5. combined with my Venus-moon-mars conjunction, I can get quite the carnival rides going.

For those whoa are not aware, astrology is VERY important.

It is the origin of every reflective and contemplative human endeavor you can think of. It is the oldest, by far. It is the origin point of observation and reflection. All the sciences, all the math, all the human sciences, history, mythology, psychology, etc, all of it pours out of the origin point of astrology.

Astrology is not simple, when at it's best, it is complicated as it requires a 'Renaissance person' to understand it. A multidisciplinarian is required. Someone with the capacity to handle complex overviews of combined data.

The reason it not understood by modern science... is that modern science was created by the very people and groups who are trying to take this world down. They created the compartmentalization of science into dogmatic repetitive learning of 'facts'* and the insertion of the robotic (emotionally unrealized, thus dangerous) left brain, the logic side, with no emotional or creative input from the right hemisphere.

*(the word fact is a dogmatic 'reasoning' tool. 'Fact' is tied to a lack of growth, fact is dogmatism and a religious term, a freezing of change, out of the system---which is what these groups want..do you see? Real science is about uncovering new things, which change the old. What they did, is they compartmentalized learning, then they factualized the points in use, and created engineering masquerading as science. This is why academia and science/physics is chock full of freemasons and such at the highest levels of it's origins. Even Einstein made note of that, in his own quiet way.)

That group created modern 'science'. That is nice, yes, it has brought many things, but it has killed the peak of mankind's endeavors, by breaking the bridge that existed to the higher levels of complex learning.

It did this by (and through) the segregation and compartmentalization of the components that make up the global or overview that allows people to understand this reality. Astrology was the original tool for this.

This is why astrology is about 'how you got here, what you are shaped by, the event types and how they may come into your life ....and the timing of those events, ie, when they arrive." That such a thing can be done, modern science has no clue. Yet astrology shows it all -laid bare. With a rigor and proofing that is well within the bounds required by science. Which, every attempt to debunk astrology (astrology and scientific studies done on it, done with true unbiased science and rigor) has abundantly shown.

The ultimate multi-dimensional temporal tool for figuring out life. That is astrology.

That which wishes to knock you down..that thing, that group, did everything it could to remove that doorway of understanding from the human system.

Yet astrology survives. Growing stronger and more potent every day.

I have worked hard to explain astrology in the multi-dimensional planetary position/scalar vibrational energy scientific terms... and it is slowly catching on.

[ulli]

Osho was the ultimate when it comes to non interference and tolerance, in my view...
The jovial Jupiter man
Four planets in Sagittarius
Yet he loved Gurdjieff's way of operating...
and Gurdjieff mostly played the Saturnian game, being a Capricorn

As teachers those two combined make a great mystery school.

I have Mercury, Sun, Pluto, Uranus, and POF, all conjunct, in the 11th/10th (Placidus), in Virgo. max spread is Pluto at 3.5-3.9, the others at about 0.5.


That says it all...lol
Impeccable with detail, yet Pluto gives you your sleuth abilities and penetrating intellect and Uranus and the 11th house... the humanitarian alarm clock...waking up the world...
Pluto in the 10th...you have your mission cut out for you

Now I know why I always liked your posts

[Carmody]

Osho was the ultimate when it comes to non interference and tolerance, in my view...
The jovial Jupiter man
Four planets in Sagittarius
Yet he loved Gurdjieff's way of operating...
and Gurdjieff mostly played the Saturnian game, being a Capricorn

As teachers those two combined make a great mystery school.

I have Mercury, Sun, Pluto, Uranus, and POF, all conjunct, in the 11th/10th (Placidus), in Virgo. max spread is Pluto at 3.5-3.9, the others at about 0.5.


That says it all...lol
Impeccable with detail, yet Pluto gives you your sleuth abilities and penetrating intellect and Uranus and the 11th house... the humanitarian alarm clock...waking up the world...
Pluto in the 10th...you have your mission cut out for you

Now I know why I always liked your posts

I've been at this since I was 13. Like a cross between a freight train, a sledgehammer, a feather or a whisper. Whatever works for the situation at hand.

[ulli]

Strangely enough, that is my combo, too...although it looked for years as if I was going nowhere, as the dilettante, or Jack-of-all-trades....
My Virgo factor is Saturn...but 4 planets in the 6th house account for the rest...then, Pluto rising, in the first...I have a Sherlock Holmes in there somewhere...also Uranus in the 11 th like you...

And the reason why all this chat is still on topic is because our minds are a reflection of the mathematics, or more specifically, the geometry of the heavenly bodies and their energies as they pierced us at that prime moment when we took air into our lungs for the first time...the breath of life...

Omni might want to share with Carmody ( in private, of course ) what was going on at the moment of his birth...if he hasn't already done so...

[Carmody]

Strangely enough, that is my combo, too...although it looked for years as if I was going nowhere, as the dilettante, or Jack-of-all-trades....
My Virgo factor is Saturn...but 4 planets in the 6th house account for the rest...then, Pluto rising, in the first...I have a Sherlock Holmes in there somewhere...also Uranus in the 11 th like you...

And the reason why all this chat is still on topic is because our minds are a reflection of the mathematics, or more specifically, the geometry of the heavenly bodies and their energies as they pierced us at that prime moment when we took air into our lungs for the first time...the breath of life...

Omni might want to share with Carmody ( in private, of course ) what was going on at the moment of his birth...if he hasn't already done so...

Ah, it can be found. ...I just have to go and look. Odds are that if I look, it will be fairly obvious. Of course, one would have to know their astrology to 'see' it...

Yes, it is still on topic as astrology is a direct indicator of our dimensional insertion into this reality... in the dance, the flow ....of time and life. it does not predict outcomes or specifics, it predicts the flow of the water round your legs, the directions or flavors that presented choices will have, in the given points in time, in your life. The decisions are up to the person taking the reality ride. It predicts the shaping of the mind and how/when the life will flow.

Astrology controls nothing, it is the indicator of the flow of this reality system, on whatver level 'analysis' --may attempt to take it. It is one of the ultimate 'wake up' tools.

As a wise man once said: One cannot dumb down ultimate truths. One must elevate themselves to it.

Which is why they have tried to kill it so vehemently, so powerfully. They must remove all tools and doorways to understanding, for their desires to come to fruition.

Do you people see? :)