40. Thank goodness for CHARLES!

[Tony]

Thank goodness for Charles!

This could be the most important day of your life.

The forum has a theme running through it, on the subject of illusion.....Ah! I see you have already got the connection. Well, for those still banging the rocks together, here is the most wonderful illustration of illusion.

The past does not exist, the future does not exist. So we are left with now. Now does not exist!
Show me, now! “Oh that's simple, it's here, no here...er... no here....er...here?” Now, is nowhere!

The three times do not exist, they only exist as a concepts. Time only relate to things that change.
Though there is a fourth time of, timelessness.

Look at the industry created around a concept called Charles. This concept is one huge illusion,
it has no reality about it. But it is perfect in being so vivid.

Along the path of self discovery, what is needed is intense emotions, intense intelligence and intense compassion.

The Charles saga has been wonderfully useful, to progress we need outside stimulus like this.
So no more blame, no more guilt, no more smugness. Learning is painful, but we learn!

The bubble has been burst, and you are now free...until the next time!

All together, “Thank you Charles!”




( If you want to know who sent him, without him realising it....our fairy godmother!)

[ViralSpiral]

http://i56.tinypic.com/2qaqvk6.jpg





xxMWAH!xx

[greybeard]

Of course you are right Pie-n-eal

May that gland work well for you.

Unfortunately this is a conspiracy web site, with a small spiritual section.

So looking for anything, one will always find, it be it spiritual or conspiracy.


Spiritual says "There is no enemy out there"

Conspiracy says "There is an enemy and we have to find him expose him deal with him"

Strange bed fellows conspiracy and spiritual

[Tony]

Dear Chris,
There has to be a middle ground.
I plumb for... logic!

[sshenry]

Spiritual says "There is no enemy out there"

Conspiracy says "There is an enemy and we have to find him expose him deal with him"

Strange bed fellows conspiracy and spiritual

Very strange - but in a way aren't they opposite sides of the same coin?

Our spiritual natures know that there is no external threat; that the only threat is from what lies inside of us (fear, anger, distrust etc.)

Our practical - physical natures see a threat around every corner and behind every word - and many times with good reason.

In order for our spiritual selves to experience being human we have to deal with the physical world and all that entails, but how much of what the physical side sees as a threat can harm us on the deepest level?

We have to balance that out; be aware of what is happening on the physical level, but understand that even should the worst happen - it can destroy the shell and the illusions we've created, but it can't harm the soul..

Does that mean that we simply ignore those things that have been created to hurt and harm? Of course not, but it calls our concern over them into balance. What is the most important? That we dig out every detail of every conspiracy, or that we are aware of what is happening and decide if pursuing it is the best use of our time and energy?

And, most important of all, we have to decide which aspect of ourselves reflects the highest expression of who and what we truly are.

[Billy]

No matter who Charles is/was working for, whether his intentions are positive or negative, One thing he is aware off is the power of the collective as is the "Powers That Pretend", They use it to their advantage, But the alternative thinkers as yet are NOT using it to our advantage, this is what this whole drama is about. we are allowing the PTP to divide and conquer, all will become clear soon i am sure. I pray that all involved are and will be safe and well. But Charles/Atticus/Stephen has and still is one of the greatest CATALYSTS i have seen in our times.

I will repeat something that was given to me personaly by an enlightened being not on earth at this time, that i posted in the other thread. Because i feel that this whole senario is attempting to prevent or destroy a coming together of concsiousness that can change this timeline and vibration that we are living through.

THE SECRET OF THE POWER OF THE NOW, IS IN THE COLLECTIVE

I say to all my brothers and sisters, we have got to get it together now.

Much love and peace on earth.

[The One]

(My opinion) The reality that we live in is basically created by the mysterious subconscious part of our own mind. Since it cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is not, it relies on the instructions given by the conscious part of our mind which are nothing but thoughts, intensions and beliefs. Whether we realize it or not our minds are extremely powerful. Almost everyone thinks that the brain and mind are one and the same but they are not.Your thoughts, beliefs and intentions will shape the experiences you have and the things you attract into your life.Thoughts and beliefs go on to manifest in reality irrespective of the kind of thought it is. Since, the energy is what matters and what connect with the universe and not the contents of the thought, that is whether positive or negative

Goose Fra ba

[Tony]

(My opinion) The reality that we live in is basically created by the mysterious subconscious part of our own mind. Since it cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is not, it relies on the instructions given by the conscious part of our mind which are nothing but thoughts, intensions and beliefs. Whether we realize it or not our minds are extremely powerful. Almost everyone thinks that the brain and mind are one and the same but they are not.Your thoughts, beliefs and intentions will shape the experiences you have and the things you attract into your life.Thoughts and beliefs go on to manifest in reality irrespective of the kind of thought it is. Since, the energy is what matters and what connect with the universe and not the contents of the thought, that is whether positive or negative

Goose Fra ba

Dear One,

It's interesting what you say. It's also funny, as I see round the other way.

This unconscious mind created all this stuff, unconscious meaning it is unconscious of it's true nature.
It is therefore ignorant of it's true potential. It wanders around creating...havoc!
As it says, it is unconscious. Just look at what is going on.

This unconscious mind obscures conscious mind, conscious meaning pure perception.

It is described as, TWO BIRDS SAT IN THE SAME TREE, ONE PECKED OF THE FRUIT, THE OTHER SAT AND WATCHED.

We are that pure consciousness, but through ignoring our true nature,
which is pure perception or empty cognisance, we create toys, which keep us distracted.
We put ourselves in a prison.

Unconscious mind always want something interesting to do, to think about. It hates boredom.
It is out of control, therefore easy to control....by others! Just look at what is going on.

No outside force, can control or disturb conscious mind. This is, your essence.

Dear One, I look forward to years of discussion with you.

Tony

[The One]

Dear One, I look forward to years of discussion with you

Ditto my friend


No outside force, can control or disturb conscious mind. This is, your essence

Completely agree

Regards

The One

[DianeKJ]

This has been a tremendous learning experience for me. I've learned a lot about my own filters/samskaras. Thank you for the thread :D

[slvrfx]

This debacle can be anything you choose it to be.

You can determine what the end result(s) will be.

[WolfRgue]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.

[Billy]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.

My personal opinion and experience when confronted with danger ( That is if the danger is a negative energy ) is to transform it by facing it and embracing it with fearless compassion.

[Tony]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.

Dear WolfRgue,
This is an excellent question. If danger presents itself we have to deal with it. There are four Buddha activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying.
These are four ways to approach a situation. If one does not work, we try the next. This can be done with a word or a sword. But it is done in the light of compassion.

To get to the nub of your question: yes I would kill to protect you, if needed.

But one is allowed to be a little crafty. Maybe bend the rules, distract....horse whisper!
I took up karate for that reason, but found a better way.

You can be a warrior and still be spiritual....and arrange flowers nicely!

All the best
Tony

[ulli]

This debacle can be anything you choose it to be.

You can determine what the end result(s) will be.

that is if you can think in terms of end results

what about those who see only eternity?

[slvrfx]

End results=Eternity.

[Lazlo]

The past does not exist, the future does not exist. So we are left with now. Now does not exist!
Show me, now! “Oh that's simple, it's here, no here...er... no here....er...here?” Now, is nowhere!

The three times do not exist, they only exist as a concepts. Time only relate to things that change.
Though there is a fourth time of, timelessness.



In a metaphysical sense, what you say is correct. But that doesn't feed one's family.

I worked last week, I got paid this week, I will go to the grocery store today, I will mail out the bills tomorrow. I get to keep enjoying the experience of my wonderful life with my wife and children.

I put money away today so that they can attend university many years from now, have a fulfilling life and provide for their own families some day...and the cycle continues.


Time may be an illusion, hunger may be an illusion, death may be an illusion...

But they feel real enough to me, and I truly belive that my purpose here in this illusory experience is to learn and provide for others so that they may also enjoy the TIME allotted to them.

[ulli]

Our spiritual natures know that there is no external threat; that the only threat is from what lies inside of us (fear, anger, distrust etc.)

Our practical - physical natures see a threat around every corner and behind every word - and many times with good reason.

We have two EYES, one "I" here and one "I' there...until they overlap in the middle
and become one...then we are like the Illuminati....powers an' all.

[Anno]

[...]
You can be a warrior and still be spiritual....and arrange flowers nicely!
[...]

Can you truly be a warrior without spirituality?

I believe that without Budo a Samurai becomes a Soldier and that is why we live in an age of War.

[ulli]

The past does not exist, the future does not exist. So we are left with now. Now does not exist!
Show me, now! “Oh that's simple, it's here, no here...er... no here....er...here?” Now, is nowhere!

The three times do not exist, they only exist as a concepts. Time only relate to things that change.
Though there is a fourth time of, timelessness.



In a metaphysical sense, what you say is correct. But that doesn't feed one's family.

I worked last week, I got paid this week, I will go to the grocery store today, I will mail out the bills tomorrow. I get to keep enjoying the experience of my wonderful life with my wife and children.

I put money away today so that they can attend university many years from now, have a fulfilling life and provide for their own families some day...and the cycle continues.


Time may be an illusion, hunger may be an illusion, death may be an illusion...

But they feel real enough to me, and I truly belive that my purpose here in this illusory experience is to learn and provide for others so that they may also enjoy the TIME allotted to them.

I liked this post and I also like your signature.
Kool heads don't drink koolaid.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Pie'n'eal ...... Thought provoking.......I' ve been listening to Bob Nevritts & IONs definition of time, & on last weeks show they spent alot of ' time' discussing it LOL......The conclusion as far as I could make out, Was There is no past, no future only one gigantic now . The discussion went on about the bible and that 'Gennesis' had not happened yet . All creation is created by the spoken word....Not by thought....

Thus as we are all 'Wonderfull Creators' (gods) we have created the entire universe through the spoken word.............Because until the Thought /written word/invention is spoken out loud , (communicated), it is not made part of the fabric of the universe....

Not sure if I've got it quite right but interesting all the same...Cheers Steve

[ulli]

End results=Eternity.

still, more questions:

Some might think Charles' version of showing people eternity involves the grim reaper...
Does it?
I do not believe in force...

[Tony]

The past does not exist, the future does not exist. So we are left with now. Now does not exist!
Show me, now! “Oh that's simple, it's here, no here...er... no here....er...here?” Now, is nowhere!

The three times do not exist, they only exist as a concepts. Time only relate to things that change.
Though there is a fourth time of, timelessness.



In a metaphysical sense, what you say is correct. But that doesn't feed one's family.

I worked last week, I got paid this week, I will go to the grocery store today, I will mail out the bills tomorrow. I get to keep enjoying the experience of my wonderful life with my wife and children.

I put money away today so that they can attend university many years from now, have a fulfilling life and provide for their own families some day...and the cycle continues.


Time may be an illusion, hunger may be an illusion, death may be an illusion...

But they feel real enough to me, and I truly belive that my purpose here in this illusory experience is to learn and provide for others so that they may also enjoy the TIME allotted to them.

You are right. That is why I a moving to higher ground, which has its own water supply and trees for fuel, and learning some survival techniques.
But when powerful forces which are nature and unnatural come, there is not much we can do about that. There are those who are trying to squeeze the life out of us.
All we can do is inform others. Perhaps the calvary will come, perhaps we are the calvary.

Personally I have met each day and think... it is a good day to die. I hear the squabbling going on here, and see that we have a lot to do to work as a collective.

I truly hope your great grand children live a decent life, with you watching on.

Tony

[WolfRgue]

Dear WolfRgue,
This is an excellent question. If danger presents itself we have to deal with it. There are four Buddha activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying.
These are four ways to approach a situation. If one does not work, we try the next. This can be done with a word or a sword. But it is done in the light of compassion.

To get to the nub of your question: yes I would kill to protect you, if needed.

But one is allowed to be a little crafty. Maybe bend the rules, distract....horse whisper!
I took up karate for that reason, but found a better way.

You can be a warrior and still be spiritual....and arrange flowers nicely!

All the best
Tony


I can relate, and appreciate your answer. I am in agreement that all must be expended in bringing a possible violent situation to a peaceful but equitable solution. I'm not so good with this light being thing though.

[Tony]

[...]
You can be a warrior and still be spiritual....and arrange flowers nicely!
[...]

Can you truly be a warrior without spirituality?

I believe that without Budo a Samurai becomes a Soldier and that is why we live in an age of War.

I wonder if, to be a true warrior, one has to be independent.
To know why you are doing something and not just reacting.
In being on this forum, one has to be a warrior.

And, be very mindful of the vibration one is expressing.

Yours
Tony

[Fred Steeves]

Spiritual says "There is no enemy out there"[/B]

Conspiracy says "There is an enemy and we have to find him expose him deal with him"

Strange bed fellows conspiracy and spiritual


Are they really such strange bedfellows Chris? Me would say that this is where Einstein's famous statement comes into play: "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it". The problem that has been discovered has no physical resolution. Therefore a choice: Destruction and slavery vs. transcendence of the problem.

Works for me anyway...


Cheers,
Fred

[greybeard]

Spiritual says "There is no enemy out there"[/B]

Conspiracy says "There is an enemy and we have to find him expose him deal with him"

Strange bed fellows conspiracy and spiritual


Are they really such strange bedfellows Chris? Me would say that this is where Einstein's famous statement comes into play: "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it". The problem that has been discovered has no physical resolution. Therefore a choice: Destruction and slavery vs. transcendence of the problem.

Works for me anyway...


Cheers,
Fred

Oh yes it was tongue in cheek Fred -- there is much more in the Enlightenment: Ego what is it thread. In the spiritual section.

I know what you say re Einstein is true un fortunately most confuse spiritual with being in a permanent bliss state and not actualay contributing anything
Thats the biggest laugh of all,,,, Its like saying God is powerless.

Any way people are at long last waking up to the pure power of the spiritual

Dr David Hawkins book Power vs Force is a eye opener.

Chris

[greybeard]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.


Forgiveness of the person not the act is necessary to bring about change very often.
It is relevant to getting a balance.
Forgiveness/spirituality not being a bliss state but a very practical powerful state.

"Anger and frustration achieves very little and are qualities of the ego.
In fact only the ego feels threatened, hurt etc
.
Being forceful has much less energy behind it than Power.
Power comes from Higher Self -Divinity

History proves it----- Nelson Mandela, Gandhi and others had ever reason to be angry but they achieved much, not by being passive, but through non violence.
Non violence is rational and very powerful, because the goal that is being pursued has no selfish personal agenda but is for the greater good.

Nelson Mandela forgave big time

The moment one starts expressing angrily, the content of what is being said is submerged by the energy of anger.
You wont convince people of the validity of your argument by being angry, forceful or combative.

St Teresa said you wont find me at an anti war demonstration but you might find me at a peace rally.

Look how much these people achieved then tell me spirituality is not relevant or effective in this world

Nothing with anti in the expression has ever been successful--- anti drug campaign for example."
Anti means against and you will never win anyone over by being against them.
A war on crime is very successful is it not? Laughing.

Danger? Yes to the best of your ability you stop people walking in front of buses
Chris

[butcherman]

in capturing a global forum this has produced many new friends, in its radical masterful design we will probably meet a lot more i have been wondering why the main blog for this site has not been up dated since january ?

butcherman

[nearing]

I know that I am missing some interesting information because I cannot bring myself to go to another thread of 75 pages to find out. (I have had my head in the books studying for weeks and weeks). Yet, somehow, I don't care. I have a feeling it is the same old re-hashed stuff from January and I am happy not wasting energy on it.

I find that the illusion cannot grab you if you don't give your time and energy to it. I choose to stay in the spiritual threads and avoid the materialistic ones (which I see the Charles stuff being). I know that if something REALLY important were to come out of those threads, one of my friends here would let me know. In the meantime, I am blissfully ignorant of illusions.

Works for me. :dance:

[NancyV]

pie'n'eal: Dear WolfRgue,
This is an excellent question. If danger presents itself we have to deal with it. There are four Buddha activities: pacifying, magnetising, enriching and destroying.
These are four ways to approach a situation. If one does not work, we try the next. This can be done with a word or a sword. But it is done in the light of compassion.

To get to the nub of your question: yes I would kill to protect you, if needed.

But one is allowed to be a little crafty. Maybe bend the rules, distract....horse whisper!
I took up karate for that reason, but found a better way.

You can be a warrior and still be spiritual....and arrange flowers nicely!

All the best
Tony
I can relate, and appreciate your answer. I am in agreement that all must be expended in bringing a possible violent situation to a peaceful but equitable solution. I'm not so good with this light being thing though.
It might help, WolfRgue, if you look at light and love and many who use light and love as simply different weapons in the arsenal.

1. My first weapon of choice is love (pacifying)
2. The second weapon is attempting to influence or infuse a negative entity or situation with positive energy. Deception often works well here. (magnetize)
3. The 3rd option I use is to flatter or to attempt to get them to feel good about themselves as a being of compassion, a good person or entity. Deception can work here also. (enriching).
4. The final option is to destroy them.

Here on the earth dimension their destruction may need to be accomplished by killing them. Of course killing them only removes their body and moves them on into another dimension where they can no longer harm you or those you are protecting. You can sometimes destroy someone or completely disempower them by having them arrested and incarcerated, which would often be preferable to killing them. In a situation of immediate danger you may have no choice but to kill them. I am also in favor of completely eliminating certain dangerous psychopaths, pedophiles and other sick monsters whom I don't think should be kept alive in prison.

On other dimensions the destruction of a negative being is accomplished by merging with them. Laughing at "evil" or negativity is also a good tool both here and in other dimensions. I have always experienced that when merging with a negative being the negative energy ALWAYS loses (disappears) as I become one with the being I'm merging with. However in this case no one loses and the negative energy is merely transformed into love and becomes more powerful.

I also don't think anyone really loses on the earth dimension if a negative being is physically killed. We get rid of the danger and they move on into whatever place their energy fits with. Unless you are extremely powerful in the physical dimension you can have a very difficult time with CHANGING extreme "evil" or negativity into positive. I can't do it, at least not up to this point. I can shield myself from attacks and deflect them back to the point of origin, but I have not destroyed anyone energetically (only physically) or changed them from evil or possessed by evil to the positive energy. I have participated in a couple of exorcisms but I was convinced in both of those instances that those who thought they were possessed were deliberately allowing themselves to feel like they were possessed, so it was not extremely difficult to release them although it did take hours in each case.

I am a proponent of having all tools available and my husband and I have many weapons; handguns, rifles, shotguns, knives, swords and a couple of crossbows. We also both have rather powerful energy and have both had a lot of experience on other dimensions. I STILL consider myself to be a being of light and love, but it is wise to not reject all available tools/weapons that may need to be utilized. It depends on how much power you can access in whatever dimension you happen to be in. If you are powerful enough or CHOOSE to never attract negativity into your life then you would never need to use physical killing weapons. I am not that type of person (although I did spend many years meditating daily), and I don't know if I want to be or am supposed to be a completely non violent being. I have often attracted a lot of dangerous and negative situations into my life and so has my husband. So we appreciate and have great fondness for physical weapons and we both like ourselves the way we are.

When someone like Charles comes into your life, IF he affects you in any way, it's just another opportunity to develop whatever tools you need to use to keep that energy from having any impact on you.....unless you choose to play the game because you enjoy it! It is all fine and dandy that people who think they are light and love tell others what they should do to avoid or transform a situation, but they do not know what YOUR mission and purpose is here on the earth at this time. Only I know my purpose and only you know yours, so I would not presume to tell others what they should do or what I feel is the most spiritually advanced approach for them. It's all spiritual and all our lessons are individual, designed by us for our greatest learning and hopefully most fun.

Nancy :)

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Nearing ......I know exactly what you mean , I made three posts on page 10 , Then got far to much 'negative vibes' & thought life is to short for this , I'll leave it for the rest of the crew to mull over,

and may be comment on the conclusions 'Thread' when it appears....LOL......Steve

[WolfRgue]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.


Forgiveness of the person not the act is necessary to bring about change very often.
It is relevant to getting a balance.
Forgiveness/spirituality not being a bliss state but a very practical powerful state.

"Anger and frustration achieves very little and are qualities of the ego.
In fact only the ego feels threatened, hurt etc
.
Being forceful has much less energy behind it than Power.
Power comes from Higher Self -Divinity

History proves it----- Nelson Mandela, Gandhi and others had ever reason to be angry but they achieved much, not by being passive, but through non violence.
Non violence is rational and very powerful, because the goal that is being pursued has no selfish personal agenda but is for the greater good.

Nelson Mandela forgave big time

The moment one starts expressing angrily, the content of what is being said is submerged by the energy of anger.
You wont convince people of the validity of your argument by being angry, forceful or combative.

St Teresa said you wont find me at an anti war demonstration but you might find me at a peace rally.

Look how much these people achieved then tell me spirituality is not relevant or effective in this world

Nothing with anti in the expression has ever been successful--- anti drug campaign for example."
Anti means against and you will never win anyone over by being against them.
A war on crime is very successful is it not? Laughing.

Danger? Yes to the best of your ability you stop people walking in front of buses
Chris

Thank You Chris, we appear to be on the same page. I am thrown off a bit by this spiritual/light stuff. I'm not a knight by any means, but like to try and follow the code of chivalry as best as I can. If anyone can teach me to transcend into this light being stuff and not be touched by bullets and the like then maybe they'll get my attention :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.

that is actually a very good question, and the answer is no, and yes, actually more of a combination of both. Spiritual battles aren't known until they are exposed. So the truth is we need to be around those digging through conspiracies to brush aside the veils and find what is behind the illusion, some times it is something needing to be dealt with.

To not believe leaves one living in fear...

those living in fear, need to be close to those who believe...

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All ....Illusions ...I'm listening to last weeks 1st hour of last weeks Veritas show ......Jay Wiedner talking about Stanley Cubrik and filming the moonlanding in a London Studio , While simultaneously filming Dr.Strangelove....... Blackmail of all people in power in the US by sex / paediphilia georgre Bush makes michael Jackson seem 'normal' ( A must listen )... The Illusion as we know is everywhere and this is the third thread I've reponded to today due to the
synchrinicity of something I'm listening to......Spooky....Steve

[greybeard]

Thank You Chris, we appear to be on the same page. I am thrown off a bit by this spiritual/light stuff. I'm not a knight by any means, but like to try and follow the code of chivalry as best as I can. If anyone can teach me to transcend into this light being stuff and not be touched by bullets and the like then maybe they'll get my attention :)[/QUOTE]

Hi Wolf Rogue
the term love and light turns me off.
I have nothing against the people who wish other Love and light-- there heart is in the right place.

Seriously following a spiritual path is hard it is not easy -- not light and love.
However it is well worth while.
I was forced to because of my Alcoholism but once I got into it my life got manageable pleasurable easier.

So anyone who is serious about finding out spiritual truth could I suggest start page one

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.

Read a few pages and if it turns you on ask questions.

alternatively read The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle

Chris

[Aquarius]

Much love to you too. An enlightened message no doubt.

[schneider]

I was curious about Charles after the video and actually joined the Avalon forum to learn more about the things he was saying. I was very concerned about his lack of compassion from the beginning, and after awhile he seemed to be drawing energy off of the forum in a very stealth sort of way. Dealing with energies like Charles' and the 18 is a good way to learn about discernment which in this day and age is an absolute necessity.

[modwiz]

Spiritual says "There is no enemy out there"[/B]

Conspiracy says "There is an enemy and we have to find him expose him deal with him"

Strange bed fellows conspiracy and spiritual


Are they really such strange bedfellows Chris? Me would say that this is where Einstein's famous statement comes into play: "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it". The problem that has been discovered has no physical resolution. Therefore a choice: Destruction and slavery vs. transcendence of the problem.

Works for me anyway...


Cheers,
Fred

Oh yes it was tongue in cheek Fred -- there is much more in the Enlightenment: Ego what is it thread. In the spiritual section.

I know what you say re Einstein is true un fortunately most confuse spiritual with being in a permanent bliss state and not actualay contributing anything
Thats the biggest laugh of all,,,, Its like saying God is powerless.

Any way people are at long last waking up to the pure power of the spiritual

Dr David Hawkins book Power vs Force is a eye opener.

Chris

You make good points, as usual. I like the book," Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water".

Whether as a book title or aphorism it carries a simple message that balances things out nicely.

[ulli]

After listening to Charles' voice on that audio I have come to the conclusion that I'm glad I never had to consult with him in person.
He hardly allowed Bill to finish one single sentence...extremely forceful in his manner.
For those who agree with his agenda 100% he wouldn't pose a problem, in fact he is definitely a very sweet and charming guy.
But he has no patience. Never for a moment gave Inelia a chance.

So the moment he loses trust in someone, or finds them putting up barriers he is a sledge hammer all the way.
No wonder his karma dishes out at him with equal force.

I wonder how many more lifetimes I need before I'm as ready as Bill in taking on that kind of energy again.
He does have quite a bit of transmuting to do. Poor guy. Shuddering at the memories of my own multiple deaths...
Saying Thank God for Charles is stretching it, especially when one finds oneself having the tests coming in faster than they can be digested...
I call it trauma...and the survival rate for trauma is lower than just growth hurdles that could make one stronger.
Is it worth it?

[Cottage Rose]

This unconscious mind created all this stuff, unconscious meaning it is unconscious of it's true nature.
It is therefore ignorant of it's true potential. It wanders around creating...havoc!
As it says, it is unconscious. Just look at what is going on.

This unconscious mind obscures conscious mind, conscious meaning pure perception.....

Unconscious mind always want something interesting to do, to think about. It hates boredom.
It is out of control, therefore easy to control....by others! Just look at what is going on.



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[Tony]

We are all warriors.................................but this Charles thing is making us........................... worriers!

Do not let the past control the present, or the future will just be the same.

[slvrfx]

Seems like the ones talking about him the most, knew him the least. Isn't that just the way life is.

[bilko]

Question? If there is a real danger, do you just wish it away spiritually, or expose and deal with it? I do not recognize this spiritual/light world some of you live in.

As long as one is capable there is always a choice. That choice is in your perception of life and death.
Depending on the circumstances i am getting to the point where i could drop this meatsack and start afresh.

It is a vast topic which one can't explain in a few lines.
Danger is often nothing more than contrast in our lives that we ourselves asked for.
Fancy words i know and i honestly don't know what i would do at the tip of a blade.
I expect i would ask my heart if this was a previous contract or contrast i had asked for in my life.

[Tony]

I don't know if this will help.

If I could describe a couple incidences that happened to me. They happened spontaneously.

1. I was laying in bed asleep. Something woke me, there was someone standing at the foot of my bed!
A female friend was asleep in another room, who I knew she would freak out.
So I just leaned up on one arm and said with quite a confident voice, “There is a way out!” He said,”Yer.” and left.
Saying there was a way out, meant, there literally a way out, and a way out of this situation.
2. I was walking down a side street, when I notice a girl in front of me, walking the same way.
A drunk in the middle of the road staggered towards her. My body speeded up, and I stood between them.
I said to her,”It's alright.” I turned to him, and said, “It's alright.” They both walked on..it was as if in a dream.
Again speaking in a confident voice that was unusual for me.

It feels like a situation is being dissolved, without over reacting.

Tony

[bilko]

I don't know if this will help.

If I could describe a couple incidences that happened to me. They happened spontaneously.

1. I was laying in bed asleep. Something woke me, there was someone standing at the foot of my bed!
A female friend was asleep in another room, who I knew she would freak out.
So I just leaned up on one arm and said with quite a confident voice, “There is a way out!” He said,”Yer.” and left.
Saying there was a way out, meant, there literally a way out, and a way out of this situation.
2. I was walking down a side street, when I notice a girl in front of me, walking the same way.
A drunk in the middle of the road staggered towards her. My body speeded up, and I stood between them.
I said to her,”It's alright.” I turned to him, and said, “It's alright.” They both walked on..it was as if in a dream.
Again speaking in a confident voice that was unusual for me.

It feels like a situation is being dissolved, without over reacting.

Tony
Thankyou!
That kind of indiscriminate and unconditional love almost brings a tear to my eye.
From your own words it almost confirms that in times of extreme worry and possible danger, there is a higher force that aids us.

I heard it and felt it a few weeks ago.
A man jumped infront of my train and committed suicide.
A voice told me to cover my face with my free hand.
That 'force stayed with me for the next few hours helping me to do all that was necessary almost flawlessly.
That voice helped me keep my cool throughout manager and police interviews that proceeded.
That voice will help me when i sit opposite his wife and children in the coroners court.

I am happy to be the elasticity of life, the give. I can see that in you too pie n eel. Your face shines with it; love.

Apologies for going off topic:)

[Cjay]

My wise daughter says "sh*t happens, then you die... so build a bridge and get over it."

We have been dwelling (and dwelling and dwelling) on the Charles/Atticus/Stephen saga for far too long. No matter how much we put every word under the microscope, we will never know the whole truth. Ask yourselves, "how many more hours, days, weeks or months am I prepared to spend (or waste) going over and over the same questions?" and "Is it worth it?"

We have more important problems to solve. We have much bigger fish to fry.

Find your primary purpose. Focus on it. DO IT.

[jcocks]

Of course you are right Pie-n-eal

May that gland work well for you.

Unfortunately this is a conspiracy web site, with a small spiritual section.


I disagree. The main difference about this website and other "conspiracy" sites is that this site gives you hope that things will get better, this site talks to people who are doing good. Yes, this site does have some conspiracy part to it - but it's never JUST been about conspiracy. Many conspiracy sites out there exist with the aim of DISEMPOWERING you - telling you it's worthless. This site tells you "You can do something about it! YOU matter! YOU can make a difference!" - This site exists with the purpose of INFORMING you and EMPOWERING you!

And as for the so-called "small" spiritual section. The spiritual section is actually quite big, has always been quite big, and is only getting bigger (or have you missed the entire inelia thing?). The difference is that this site concentrates on down-to-earth spirituality that can actually make a difference, not the airy-fairy new-age "channellings" that pass as so-called "spirituality" on other sites...
That can only be a good thing! The world needs more incarnated inelias and less ascended-master christ sananda channellings at this time :) :) :)

namaste
Joel

[DeDukshyn]

The past does not exist, the future does not exist. So we are left with now. Now does not exist!
Show me, now! “Oh that's simple, it's here, no here...er... no here....er...here?” Now, is nowhere!

The three times do not exist, they only exist as a concepts. Time only relate to things that change.
Though there is a fourth time of, timelessness.



In a metaphysical sense, what you say is correct. But that doesn't feed one's family.

I worked last week, I got paid this week, I will go to the grocery store today, I will mail out the bills tomorrow. I get to keep enjoying the experience of my wonderful life with my wife and children.

I put money away today so that they can attend university many years from now, have a fulfilling life and provide for their own families some day...and the cycle continues.


Time may be an illusion, hunger may be an illusion, death may be an illusion...

But they feel real enough to me, and I truly belive that my purpose here in this illusory experience is to learn and provide for others so that they may also enjoy the TIME allotted to them.

<DeDukshyn puts on his alien hat for a very objective view>
You are free to enjoy and experience that which you choose to believe -- that is the beauty of it. You experience all those "regular" life things because that is what you believe is needed. There's nothing wrong with that, but did you choose it? or was it chosen for you? or were you given an extremely narrow choice of things to 'choose" from? You were given this narrow choice when you should have been taught how to create whatever belief system you wanted through advanced spiritual concepts. There exists an entire 'universe' or 'Knowledge base' (as an abstract concept) of what you don't know you don't know - and it contains everything you can't even imagine - and it is vast - far more vast than any universe of "what you know" or even "what you know you don't know" - but traditionally we have been taught that we can only choose from the latter two groups because the other does "not exist" (the traditional "skeptics" view - "if it's not proven it's not true" - such a lie meant to make people dumb and feel smart about it), but in reality, "what you don't know you don't know" is the only place that is real - the others were created by humans and their "societies" for you to be controlled with.

[avid]

Please close any links to this 'fungus', if I see Charles/Atticus or any reference to this vulture I don't want to come here any more, after years of following - it's totally divisive. I knew he was a fake instantaneously, and was shocked that Bill was sucked into the web of lies and deceit. It's all over now. Please let us NOT promote this vile 'trojan-horse' person any longer - delete any references - it should now be GONE!!! We have to concentrate on matters spiritual and for a fair and free society. Thank you for enabling my opinion :-)

[bilko]

Hi Avid
I can understand your feelings totally.
However i do not see Charles as some evil to be wiped from the forum or deleted from memory.
On the contrary, i think Charles has presented us with a marvelous opportunity, a gift.

Even when he was followed he scared a lot of people simply because he was reflecting all in them that they fear or despise.
I know this is the same old hippy line but i believe it.
Charles is simply another example of the contrast in our lives that we have asked for in one way or another. even if that was only to demonstrate how far we have progressed with love, unity and compassion.

One must realize that intense dismissal of him is in itself calling for more contrast, a better way to demonstrate your evolution.
An even bigger milestone.

I don't believe that even the most heinous of men wakes up and devises ways to be evil, on the contrary they are just following their path and doing what they think is right.
If there is such a thing as good and bad and WE are made in God's image; imagine the pain his spirit must feel.
So; i for one love him.
I thank him for completing his side of the bargain and remember to forgive him.
Who amongst us has the strength to be the bad apple?
Who would volunteer to be the shadow so that the light may shine?

Not I, not this time. So let us forgive and move on to the next delicious experience in our lives.

Please forgive me if i sound preachy, it is not my intention.:)

[avid]

Thanks Bilko - but regarding your forgiving nature, I still think this forum would be better now served without 'reverence/reference' to him - in any form whatsoever. There will be others who will be 'dealt with', but to maintain any reference here is NOT moving forward. Enough to say we have learned by our experiences (hopefully). Draw a line under it all and start afresh eh? Thanks for your concern :-)

[jcocks]

I disagree. I don't think it serves any positive purpose to wide any reference to Charles off this forum. On the contrary, we should keep the infromation here for others to learn off. Some of his information was actually proven to be factual after all. Perhaps we should close the threads though...I'm not sure, it's something that is up to the mods to decide...

[Tony]

The whole point of this post was to say, it's all in the PAST!!
Or we are making an illusion, REAL.
Learn and move on.
OUT! damn spot!!

[Nanoo Nanoo]

its nice to be able to read who stands behind you.

the question is , will he show when he is expected ?

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