Barack Obama 2010

[Goldenserenity]

soulless clones.

I am just wondering why people feel that clones are soul-less. Why would a clone have difficulties obtaining or being housed in a cloned body? A body is a body is a body, and that's is what a soul is housed in. I believe a clone of the body does not equal nor create, a clone of the soul.
The clone is just the body, the soul is not the body. From what I have read, a soul enters the body usually around the 4th or 5th month of pregnancy and is in and out of the body until just before birth. Am I 100% positive on this? Nope, I'm not. Who really can be?
Just a thought. :confused:

[yiolas]

From what I understand, a clone is just a biological machine. A soul cannot enter it just like it cannot enter a television set or a computer.
Both of these however, can receive and transmit messages,and can therefore be programmed. There's the beauty of it. The drawback however is that they do not have any kind of a moral compass, because they are not connected to the Divine.

[1984]

I think that we are all forgetting something here.

The people who "control" the subject of ETs, do not work for our government. They, are far more powerful than are those in our government. They, are those who have control over the hidden technologies. They also, don't want anyone spilling their secrets, including any President. They have very specific methods of bringing this to peoples' attention. This group includes the members of the oil industry. They will lose a lot of money once the technologies are released.

I am quite quite sure that Dr. Greer has been and continues to be "persuaded" by these. Obama does not want to rock any political boats nor will he stick out his neck for Steven Greer.

And of course, there are always the lawsuits hanging in the balance from the agreements that were made decades ago with the beings.

I very seriously doubt that disclosure will take place here in the U.S. What I believe will happen, is simply the decloaking of several groups of beings. The problem with this however, is that it will be extremely difficult to tell the difference between the real crafts and those of the shadow government.

Very true, Snowbird. The shadow government is often forgotten in these situations as they are essentially hidden in the background, as we very well know. It is their power and decisions which influences what the government does so long as it is consistent with the agenda of who is REALLY calling the shots.

In hindsight I will give Greer/The Disclosure Project, and any other truth seekers for that matter, the benefit of doubt as they do not have an easy fight when you truly consider who their opponents are and how much power they have at their disposal. With that being said I don't think it warrants a free pass for these organisations to twiddle their thumbs until things become easier, because it won't, I think the hard work just needs to be acknowledged and support given so long as clear results come back in return.

[norman]

I'd like to think the ETs are laughing themselves silly at our rumours and projections. So much more preferable than that they just see us as pond life.

[K626]

Hi Swanny, I think the premise here is that after they have taken some of your dna for cloning, they proceed to kill you. Your soul does not re-enter the cloned body. Infact from what I understand, a clone does not have any God connection or 'spark of life' . Therefore cannot be a vessel for a soul.

The soul is not 'yours/ours/mine' soul either, once it leaves the body (it doesn't really reside in the body actually but that is another matter), it becomes 'one' with all other souls untill it is ready to take another body/form.

A clone cannot hold or attach to a soul because it is only replicated matter, not matter that has 'come into being' (as part of the universal force/field). The 'life spark' as you say is not present, it is my understanding that the 'life spark' or soul 'moment' was there before matter and was the reason for the creation of matter. It isn't the other way round. The greys for instance it is said have tried to attach to souls, but being part 'biological entities' they cannot, yet ironically their understanding of our souls is far greater than ours is.

The other thing to understand that is that the planet is part of the process for souls entering matter and souls cannot enter matter a certain distance away from particular types of planets, if for instance you die in space 'out there somewhere', your soul 'you' cannot return to this planet, there is a kind of range planets have within which soul transference must occur. Dead space is really that - dead space. The aura/corona/magnetic field of a planet stretches out some way, but beyond that there is no way for souls to survive, you must die within one planetery 'field' or another. This is what I am told anyway. Something to think about.


K

[SPIRIT WOLF]

careful of who whispers in your ear....

My ears are suitably poised for carefulness:cool:

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Maybe this topic of cloning high level government officials deserves more research. I just ran into this article by Alcuin and Flutterby.

Who claim that the majority of government figureheads are soulless clones. Please read a small excerpt of their article:

Please read the rest of this fascinating article here (http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/2008/01/bilocation-of-hillary-clone-clinton.html)

The possibilities boggle the mind if this is true

This paragraph was of particular interest to me:


. . . Usually, when a President or major American public figure ceases to be compliant to the demands of the controlling corporate elite, they are quietly killed, cremated and replaced with lookalike, mind-controlled clones. These days, at the Camp David human clone laboratories (Maryland) and elsewhere, it is possible to produce an adult human clone from originator DNA and a lab-double in less than 36 hours.

Most cloning research states that clone copies become degraded the further down the line they appear in the copying process. IF "Change" Obama was indeed a clone from a 3K year old mummy who had the temerity to actually BELIEVE his campaign rhetoric and had to be swiftly replaced, it would certainly explain his woefully neglectful behavior in regard the Gulf and his penchant for continuing two disastrous wars. This current version -- assuming he's been double or triple cloned -- certainly lacks the charisma, articulateness and intelligence displayed on the campaign trail. I imagine the PBTS (Powers Behind The Scenes) jerry-rig the brain synapses to fire the pablum/disjointed garbage that issued forth from Reagan in the final 2 years of his Presidency and President Shrub for the entire 8 years of his Reign of Terror. This current Obama appears less than a quarter-step away from personality disintegration into manic, vapid incoherence.

Thanks for the article. I shall read it with interest.

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[Goldenserenity]

A clone cannot hold or attach to a soul because it is only replicated matter, not matter that has 'come into being' (as part of the universal force/field). The 'life spark' as you say is not present,

Aren't identical twins a replica of each other....clones? Does that mean that the one that divided off the other twin has no soul?

From this one site talking about reproductive cloning, it said...."Dolly or any other animal created using nuclear transfer technology is not truly an identical clone of the donor animal. Only the clone's chromosomal or nuclear DNA is the same as the donor. Some of the clone's genetic materials come from the mitochondria in the cytoplasm of the enucleated egg. Mitochondria, which are organelles that serve as power sources to the cell, contain their own short segments of DNA." http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/cloning.shtml
I'm not working in the field of molecular genetics as I'm sure none of us are here, so maybe we are all not fully aware of the exact procedure used to clone. Even with a clone they use a donor egg, and that egg grows inside a woman s body and is given birth to like a normal baby. I'm not saying that cloning is ok, just that what the heck do we all really know about it other than what we read about it.

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Aren't identical twins a replica of each other....clones? Does that mean that the one that divided off the other twin has no soul?

The issue, as I see it, is not whether identical twins born of natural processes have souls. I'm positive they do. The issue surrounding the PTB clones is the process by which mind scans are downloaded into the cloned bodies and manipulated to serve a specific agenda. It would be interesting to see whether a non-mind-controlled clone (with down-loaded non-manipulated brain scans) acted equivalently to or different from a Creature from Black Arts Lab clone retrofitted with dark-side agenda talking points. Here again, I think there would be noticeable differences despite both being clones.

Identical twins produced thru natural processes are, IMO, both ensouled and able to demonstrate amazing similarities as well as differences in temperament and outlook. An example of this is Jill Hennessy (actor, Crossing Jordan) and her identical twin Jacqueline Hennessy (magazine writer). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Hennessy. While identical they nonetheless demonstrate very distinctive character traits and interests.

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[Swami]

Maybe this has something to do with it.....??

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll55/itisibrian/obamapentagram.jpg
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread409768/pg1

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5753/51391722.jpg
http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=64609&Page=2

[tone3jaguar]

So long as the majority of the collective consciousness of a society looks outside themselves to others for guidance, there will be no official disclosure. If we have the illusion of powerful overlords that keep us in the dark on this stuff it is because the majority of people are manifesting reality that way. They do not realize they are doing it, but they are. If you want the whole thing to be blown open, you have to convince the population to stop believing that they need hierarchical leadership in order to survive and prosper. If they all started understanding that they are the greatest leaders they will ever meet, the ET information would automatically manifest as main stream information.

[Tango]

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Thank you Redtailhawk, I'm with you...

" We The People.... "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVAhr4hZDJE

Trooly,


Tango

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[Sarahmay]

Y'all are hilarious! If THIS is what you are worried about right now, you are not paying attention.

[ascendingstarseed]

There's so much lying, race baiting and fabricating evidence on the right, that it's difficult to believe anything they put out...IMO all of this is a distraction, a part of the Us vs Them game they deploy to keep us divided. It's not the politicians we need to worry about so much anymore as the transnational corporations that own them who have taken over government and pull the puppet strings of the president.

[Lost Soul]

There's so much lying, race baiting and fabricating evidence on the right, that it's difficult to believe anything they put out...IMO all of this is a distraction, a part of the Us vs Them game they deploy to keep us divided. It's not the politicians we need to worry about so much anymore as the transnational corporations that own them who have taken over government and pull the puppet strings of the president.

Right or left, it's no different. Both are on the same team and they use the same tactics. Like the WWF (wrestling), they hate each other in public but behind the doors, they're the same old boy network.

[jimmer]

knowing about the 'puppet strings' is one thing, but if you can't get to them, then go after the puppet. yes?
if not, then we are just hapless and a big bag of complainers.

[Tango]

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" Not paying attention....!!! " YOU must be talking about the conflict of interest, position... [without reading your mind]

Evidence of Treason!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS8dE3qsBdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS8dE3qsBdU


Trooly,

Tango

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[Decibellistics]

Okay, so he states that he will formalize contacts and bypass all the world's governments in doing this. This means we'll see em.

Also, why hasn't he been killed if this is true and the governments don't want anyone to know. Not that I wish that upon any human.

So if neither of these happen in a year then it's all a farce. It's a money scheme and a new religion if these are false promises.

No need in worrying about anything, patience. It's gonna be pretty boss if it comes to fruition.

[Tango]

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" THE TRUTH MATTERS "


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded


Tango

[Etherios]

Okay, so he states that he will formalize contacts and bypass all the world's governments in doing this. This means we'll see em.

Also, why hasn't he been killed if this is true and the governments don't want anyone to know. Not that I wish that upon any human.

So if neither of these happen in a year then it's all a farce. It's a money scheme and a new religion if these are false promises.

No need in worrying about anything, patience. It's gonna be pretty boss if it comes to fruition.

has he given an eta ? i think he said he waits for obama till the end of 2010 right? anything else?

[Deega]

"Disclosure", I don't think that we will see this because there is to much at stake..., the US Government integraty (lost) over the years, the Corporate World that receive big military contract from the US Government will push against..., the Vatican will put all his might (diminuishing though) against disclore, the years of lies, so my humble guess is that Obama will not risk this one.

Deega

[JoshERTW]

If it happens, I don't even think I'm gonna be impressed at this point. It'll be just like, "So what? Stop killing the environment and stealing from us."

[Tango]

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Barack H. Obama - Born in Kenya IV - The REAL Birth Certificate AT LAST!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI&feature=related

For ALL you NON Believers....

Trooly,


Tango :eyebrows:

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[Jonathon]

The President of the US a fraud? This is news? LOL sorry guys.

As I understand it, it works like this:

You don't have to be a citizen to be the CEO of the corporation and that is the job he took. The President runs the Democracy (the Corporation), not the Republic (ref: Constitution). The Democracy is a war time apparatus that does not conform to the Constitution. And you guys thought all of these officials over the years were committing treason. Not so! They work under the rules of the Corporation, which supersedes the Republic during war/emergency. Naturally we are always in a state of emergency =) The Republic is considered a foreign jurisdiction while the war machine is active.

Ever wonder why the Secretary of State, Secretary of The Treasury and Secretary General are required to expatriate in order to perform their essential functions upon taking office? They are the conduits between the republic (remember - foreign jurisdiction... hence expatriation) and democracy!

As far as having a mortgage... holy cow man. That was paid in full the second you signed the promissory note. The mortgage you pay on your home is a fraud - a second loan.

I'm sure I have posted this up before, but do yourself a favor and spend a few days on this material:
www.creditorsincommerce.com - go to the audio link and clear in the next 3 months out of your schedule. Covers all of this and much more. So much there... did you know courts are banks? Do you know what happened the original 13th amendment? The constitution is a security sold to international bankers which we have bankrupted on 3 times (70 years each instance)? Did you know that everything is prepaid since the gold confiscation and insertion of the federal reserve (there is no money - it's all debt based on your energy)? Staggering. Mind-blowing. Learn!

[freespirit]

I wonder if 'Disclosure' has more of a chance of happening in China ?

martin

[PHARAOH]

To disclose would only confirm what we already know to be true. So what's the big deal? Project Avalon has been on the cutting edge of Disclosure and still is. Family, disclosure has already occured long ago. I respect everyones POV and work which is why I love Project Camelot as well as Project Avalon. I for one aint waiting for no one to tell me what I already know to be true. I appreciate Dr. Greer work but I think in his efforts to help he often hand cuffs himself with his stringent ways. In other words he is trying to leave no room for IM-POSS-ABILITY! Just my opinion. At least Project Avalon/ Camelot does the interview and leaves it up to us to make up our own minds based on the info. Much love and blessings to Bill and Kerry!

[Tango]

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Governor Brewer of Arizona, or any sitting governor, for that matter, has unique "standing"

to challenge Obama on this issue and resolve the constitutional crisis he has perpetrated

on the nation by his refusal to prove that he is a “natural born Citizen” by filing a Writ of Quo Warranto.

The American people are looking to Governor Brewer to defend her state as she is

doing, but also to challenge a hustler who has most likely assumed the office of President

through deceit and fraud. He has been abetted in this by the Democrat party.

There is an enormous amount of circumstantial and other evidence which points to a

foreign birth for Obama, and by his own admission, he was born a dual citizen. He has

also carefully described himself as “a native citizen of the United States of America” but not a “natural born Citizen.”

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For Arizona, it makes no sense to mount an expensive legal defense when Governor Brewer

can simply file the Writ of Quo Warranto and ask Obama “By what authority” his

Department of Justice is suing her state and naming her as a defendant. In fact, if

Obama cannot then prove his eligiblity to be president, he then has no authority to

do anything nor to direct anyone else to act. If that is the case, Obama and his

entire government will be removed from office and a new presidential election held.

You may have read that Maj. Gen. Paul E. Vallely (Ret.) has called for Obama and

his regime to do just that, and he believes that Obama is hiding something very

significant about his background from the American people. For someone to spend

almost $2,000,000 to hide his birth certificate and other records, he certainly must

have some purpose beyond modesty.

Gov. Brewer can demand a Writ of Writ of Quo Warranto, and

see how fast Obama either releases all his hidden records to prove he is

a natural born citizen, or he will start packing his bags to leave the presidency.

See Jonathon, You were Never that smart; from the beginning... YOU just want to appear that you are... " As You understand it."
mod edit, please be respectfull towards other members, name calling is not in keeping with the guidelines
Trooly,

Tango

[K626]

I believe it's the US that keeps the people in the dark when it comes to news broadcasting. In other countries they do not sugar coat their news like they do here. It's almost like they think people cannot handle the truth, or maybe it's a form of control on their parts...who knows. I like to find the news source from other countries as they usually tell it like it is without all the sugar or the rose colored glasses.

A high proportion of the media in the states treats the audience as psychological children. This is important in the sense that the less information people have, the less they have to make descisions about their lives and the less they do this the less they are a threat to the ruling elite. Apart from a few of the usual select American universities, the vast majority are pretty poor and educational standards are deliberately kept average to low. If you want to rule the people keep them in ignorance and stop them at every stage of gaining knowledge and access to good information. YOu make a very good point about news media and I guess in the UK we will always have the BBC, which although has a feint Govt stance, can from time to time prick the elephant as it has done on the financical crisis, Iraq, Afgh and the police state which is gradually taking hold in the UK. But even so, the BBC will never devote much time to the causes and the deeper realities behind the issues, ie it will never question the nature of the Western system, so wasteful and corrupt as it is.

People have slowly been discouraged and disenfranchised from not only political life, but also eventually their own, where a dialy miasma of money worries, fear mongering about terrorism and a super state surveillance and descisions being made for you...is taking its toll. Very rarely do I meet people these days whom I don't already know who have the blindest first clue about what is really going on around them.

[Etherios]

You guys still think Dr.Greer will do anything after this summer passes ? NAH nop nevah nada...

[John Parslow]

Eloquently put Bill, I have wondered for some time which side Steven Greer was batting for - it has started to become crystal clear ...

Love and peace. JP

[Wookie]

A few words keep popping up, and those words really raise a red flag for me personally. Business, advertising, Media, contract, and waiting for the government. Don't get me wrong i feel taking the fight to the PTB in their arena is a brave and insperational act, but is it just an act? I dont know and that is ok. It would be great to let the cat out of the bag, but my cats like it in the bag and don't come out of their own free will. Often I have to trick them to get them out or risk an attack!
Peaceful Journeys. Wookie

[kinsuemei2]

I think Greer has spent to much time drinking decafe and talking to the wall, maybe he is waiting for an answer???

[Etherios]

I think Greer has spent to much time drinking decafe and talking to the wall, maybe he is waiting for an answer???

Summer is almost gone. 1 more month to go we shall see :-) I dont hope Obama will do anything ... i want/expect to see Greer do something... really SOMETHING.

[steve_a]

Hi Everybody,

We all know that it isn't the head of State that writes their own speeches, they have someone to do it for them.

I first became aware of different countries using the same speech writer from this little snippet where the Australian and Canadian prime ministers gave the same or almost identical speech to justify the invasion in Iraq: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtd7o9x5uN0

Just lately I've noticed that the style of speech that David Cameron is giving is similar to those given by Barak Obama. There are too many, "Let me make this clear" comments during their speeches to have been written by different people. The phrasing of their words are very similar. Both were using the "Change" platform during their campaign. I'm almost sure that it's the same speech writer.

If so fact-o, there must only be one policymaker. Right?

Best regards,

Steve

[Operator]

If so fact-o, there must only be one policymaker. Right?


Yes, either they have one boss telling them what to say or they probably have a website like the ones where everybody copies standard resumes from etc. :rolleyes:

[Humble Janitor]

TPTW must have a master scriptwriter or something for so many politicians to use the same speeches, etc.

[Ventana]

I'm not holding my breath regarding any type of government disclosure---it would raise more issues and prompt more questions than it would answer. Besides, if the info is "black" Obama and the rest of our elected representatives are not in possession of the necessary clearances. You can't reveal info you don't have it or don't have access to it. They don't even know what they don't know, if you will. The black programs benefit from a stream of funds which are devoid of any oversight...why would they want that to change? Not gonna happen, IMHO. Guess I drank from a pessimistic pot of coffee today! I wish there was a way for Congress to institute some oversight over the funds that these programs siphon away from the taxpayer...there has to be some way to accomplish that.

[jackovesk]

Obama (Real Name: Barry Soetoro) says his father served in World War II

Reality check:

Barack Hussein Obama Sr. (Obama's father) Born 4/4/36 Died 11/24/82 at the age of 46

He was 5 years old when WW 2 started, and less than 9.5 years old when it ended.

Lolo Soetoro (Obama's step father) Born 1935 Died 3/2/87 at the age of 52

He was 6 years old when WW 2 started, and 10 years old when it ended.

And nobody at CNN, ABC, NBC or CBS ever thought to check Obama's claim about his father serving in WW2? Of Course they Did'nt!

CNN Clip


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4jnlkxOaw

Scan down the page to see article...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/obama-says-his-father-served-world-war-ii

Please send this to anyone who is Sick & Tired of being decieved by the MSM 24/7.

[steve_a]

Hi jackovesk,

That doesn't suprise me.

Best regards,

Steve

[lindabaker]

His maternal grandfather. He has stated it several times. If he said father that time, he meant grandfather. Check your facts.

[steve_a]

Hi lindabaker,

I checked that out too. If he meant his grandfather, he got the war wrong, and also as I understand it his grandfather fought for the British not the US.

Wasn't he reading off a teleprompter? Is his speech writing staff out of touch? Sometimes I think they slip things in just to give the public things to talk about!

But at the end of the day, it brings me back to the old joke, "How can you tell when a politician is lying?" Of course the answer is, "Because his lips are moving!".

Best regards,

Steve

[Snowbird]

I sometimes wonder, Jackovesk, if because Obama is reported to have been tapped at a very young age, if he has become encapsulated in a wave rushing toward shore that is beyond his control. I'm not defending him. I voted for him and will not vote for him again. I just simply won't vote. However, it appears as though he has been molded into the game that is being played out and he has no escape route. Politicians normally lie to get elected. That's standard procedure. He has allowed himself to board a roaring train and this train has no brakes. He has two beautiful children and a wife who I happen to like. I sometimes wonder what sort of President he would have been if he had not been tapped and conditioned.

[Dale]

However, it appears as though he has been molded into the game that is being played out and he has no escape route.

I'd certainly say so. I believe it was Dr. Pete Peterson that told the story of Obama nearly falling over after being briefed on the mess that America has become. I'm under the opinion that Obama, deep inside, wanted, and likely still wants, to bring about the changes he spoke of during his campaign. But, I'm also quite certain that he now realizes it's going to be impossible. There's just too much pull from "The Powers That Be," whoever or whatever they may be, to maintain the status quo and continue on with their "goals."

[Humble Janitor]

I have never understood the hatred or disdain towards this man.

We can simply quit voting altogether because I don't think Obama understood how keeping promises as a politician usually works out.

[ascendingstarseed]

I have never understood the hatred or disdain towards this man.

Racism is still alive and well, there are millions of people who can't stand the fact that a black man is in the White House. The right wing propaganda machine owned and operated by some of the biggest racists of all, keeps the Summer of Hate alive and well with talking heads Beck, Limbaugh, Savage spewing lies about people of all colors and religions. And Obama is the biggest target of all, he's not just President...he's an intelligent man of color, they'll never let up.

[Teakai]

Racism is still alive and well, there are millions of people who can't stand the fact that a black man is in the White House. The right wing propaganda machine owned and operated by some of the biggest racists of all, keeps the Summer of Hate alive and well with talking heads Beck, Limbaugh, Savage spewing lies about people of all colors and religions. And Obama is the biggest target of all, he's not just President...he's an intelligent man of color, they'll never let up.

How do you figure that racism enters into it?

Perhaps it has to do with all the promises that haven't been carried out (bringing the soldiers home for instance). The vast amount of money that's been spent during his time in presidency, the way that government has been increased during that time.

Why does the race card always come into play when it has absolutley nothing to do with race? Does it shut people up fast?

[Fredkc]

Teakai;
yup! In the U.S. political arena, it's the 2nd most popular "refuge of scoundrels".
It usually means, "I am unable to manage a rebuttal based upon facts, so I shut down the conversation by changing the subject in the form of an accusation."

Article II, Section 1, paragraph 5 (http://fredsitelive.com/politics/usconst.htm#art2):
"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President;"

Obama has three problems in this regard:
If he was born in the US, there is no evidence of it.
If he wasn't then his citizenship reverts to his father's. Dad was a UK citizen.
When his mother married an Indonesian, the family was required to become citizens of that country.There is no evidence he "re-affirmed" his citizenship when he returned to the US at age 11, or since.

The second issue I see has more to do with human nature, then physical evidence:
Obama has spent more than $1.5 million to prevent anyone from seeing any document which could solve all this, but claims there is "no problem".

At the same time if there is "no problem", he could clear the entire matter up for a simple $25 duplication fee, and produce his long-form B.C.

Why is that?

PS: As I have experienced racism from both sides of the coin, in this life, I am one of the most rabid anti-racism people you are likely to meet. ;)

Fred

[jimmer]

I'm afraid we elected a president who's the kind of person who molds the truth to fit his need.

I guess all politicians do it to some extent, but it's not a good characteristic for a sitting president.
he seems to be constantly doing it.
any psychologists out here that have an opinion about this 'self aggrandizement' syndrome?
lies, fibs, manipulations or the truth always come out eventually.

he seems to have a 'self honesty' problem.
it's a real character flaw.

[jackovesk]

Racism is still alive and well, there are millions of people who can't stand the fact that a black man is in the White House. The right wing propaganda machine owned and operated by some of the biggest racists of all, keeps the Summer of Hate alive and well with talking heads Beck, Limbaugh, Savage spewing lies about people of all colors and religions. And Obama is the biggest target of all, he's not just President...he's an intelligent man of color, they'll never let up.

Racism Has NOTHING to do with it!

Try This on for size and you may understand why his approval rating has sunk to 41%!

I will have transparency-generals must sign secrecy Oath........Broken
I will cut the deficit in half by doubling spending–say what.......Broken
I will change the Washington culture of corruption.......................Broken
I will reach across the isle (I’m ready to fight Republicans)....Broken
I will have no earmarks in stimulus, there are 9000..................Broken
I will have transparency in White House emails except mine....Broken
I will demand human rights for China and Tibet..............................Broken
I will put legislation on Internet for all to read before votes....Broken
I will have honest advisers, except those who take free rent......Broken
I will have my administration pay their fair share of taxes........Broken
I will eliminate rendition of terrorist combatants..........................Broken
I will have a transparent admin. with the media.............................Breaking
I will bring charges against Bush admin. war crimes.....................Broken
I will have new blood in admin. but names Panetta to CIA..........Broken
I will have a transparent government..................................................Broken
I will apply windfall taxes on big oil companies.................................Broken
I will change US Foreign Policy, appoints Hillary Sec. State......Broken
I will change the defense department, YET keeps Gates............Broken
I will close Guantanamo......................................................................Breaking
I will sit down with dictators with no pre-conditions....................Broken
I will stop waterboarding and CIA interrogation techniques......Breaking
I will use federal campaign funds..........................................................Broken
I will get US troops out of Iraq in 16 month....................................Broken
I will change Washington with new faces............................................Broken
I will not hire lobbyists, hires lobbyist Daschle (he's out but here are the others)....Broken
- Melody Barnes, lobbyist for American Civil Liberties Union, the Leadership
Conference on Civil Rights, the American Constitution Society and the Center
for Reproductive Rights.
- William Corr, lobbyist for Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids,
- Patrick Gaspard, lobbyist for Service Employees International Union.
- David Hayes, lobby San Diego Gas & Electric.
- Eric Holder, attorney general nominee, lobbyist for bankrupt Global
Crossing telecommications.
- Ron Klain, lobbyist for Asbestos Resolution, U.S. Airways, Airborne Express
and drug-maker ImClone.
- William Lynn, lobbyist for Raytheon.
- Cecilia Munoz, lobbyist for National Council of La Raza
- Mark Patterson, lobbyist for Goldman Sachs.
- Mona Sutphen, lobbyist for Angliss International.
- Michael Strautmanis, lobbied for the American Association of Justice.
- Tom Vilsack, lobbyist for NEA.
And these are not all of them. Thanks for pointing out that he has nominated a huge number of lobbyists that he promised not to appoint.
I will be non-partisan. Hires highly partisan Emanuel..................Broken
I will eliminate Bush tax cuts.................................................................Broken
I will dump Patriot Act wire tapping....................................................Breaking
I will eliminate tax breaks for wealthy..................................................Broken

Like I said the color of Obama's skin or Racism has NOTHING to do with it!

[Lost Soul]

I have never understood the hatred or disdain towards this man.

I do and for me, race has nothing to do with it. I've close relatives whose ancestry traces back to Africa.

Like virtually all other politicians, the man is a liar. But that's not why I don't care for him.

His entire campaign smacked of 5th Avenue Marketing. Slogans without substance. But that's not why I don't care for him either.

The hypnotic effect he had on his audience reminded me of Adolph. But that's not why I don't care for him either.

He is part of the system and as part of the system, is the front man or puppet pushing the agenda. That's why I don't care for him.

BTW, I can't stand either major party.

[Ross]

I'd certainly say so. I believe it was Dr. Pete Peterson that told the story of Obama nearly falling over after being briefed on the mess that America has become. I'm under the opinion that Obama, deep inside, wanted, and likely still wants, to bring about the changes he spoke of during his campaign. But, I'm also quite certain that he now realizes it's going to be impossible. There's just too much pull from "The Powers That Be," whoever or whatever they may be, to maintain the status quo and continue on with their "goals."

Obama did his due diligence in becoming a politician as part of the 'Chicago league of corrupt governor's and politicians' a most notorious string of crooks from way back...He knew very well it was going to be mostly impossible to bring about the said campaign changes...He is of the same elk as all politicians, you don't get to become one unless you abide by the rules of the political game.

Ross

[Solace]

17 days, and counting. :pop2: Today, I saw a UFO documentary with S. Greer. He said that we don't know if ETs are benevolent...

He didn't say they are all benevolent beings!! :rolleyes: Now what?! :D

The whole project's becoming a joke (this is Greer's fault!).

(I hate ET's by the way. They don't show themselves. They live in secrecy. We don't know exactly what they are doing here. They are like the illuminati...lol)

[jimmer]

I'm afraid that the 'fundamental change' obama promoted is happening pretty much as planned.
he knew most americans, as they caught wind of what he really meant, would not be happy.
americans bought the soap. now they're lathered up and ticked off.

but his big problem is that he's either seen as too radical or too wishy-washy, not radical enough.
either way you look at him, he's driven the car off the road.

[frank samuel]

I was a die hard fan and supporter of Obama , I still remember the campaign slogan," "Change We Can Believe In". As a war veteran I was very hopeful that the troops would come home in 16 months as he promised. Well it goes to show a politician is a politician irregardless of color, creed, nationality or religion.

Why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Revenues due to the spoils of war. I am not an economist but here goes my attempt to come up with some numbers. In Iraq the reported revenues earned in oils sales between the year 2006 to 2009 was 171 billion dollars.
Afghanistan , the estimated earnings every year in the USA from the opium and heroin trade is estimated at a very modest 30 billion which is rumor to be 3 times higher. So lets just say that the war is creating earnings of up to 100 billion dollars a year irregardless of who is President. Who says that the US is in a economic crisis ?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h9R_atH6eZRX5LwdIdK1elEeG4Yw

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=91

My conclusion politics is a very lucrative business that has very little to do with the welfare of a nation.

Presidents in my opinion as just figure heads who shut their mouths and take their cut. One thing for sure when Obama leaves office he will be a billionaire and the war in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue, gee I wonder why.

Many many blessings to all.:peace:

[pilotsimone]

I've lived in the midwest my entire life and can promise you the majority of those who don't like Obama in this area are racist whether they admit it to themselves or not. They may not use the N-word. Heck, they may even have a black friend. But, I know the covert language of racism. I've been around it my entire life.

For example, my mother found it offensive when they showed clips of African-Americans celebrating his victory. Oh, that really bothered her. Felt like they were 'rubbing it in'. She doesn't think she's racist either. LOL.

How about the "arrogant" meme they put out about Obama from the get-go (which I find hilarious). Arrogant = uppity, my friends. So unbelievably transparent they were hoping to incite "white anger".

There may be many who don't like him for other reasons, but to dismiss the blatant racist rhetoric (tailored for this day and age) that is rampant in this country is super, super naive.

You can watch Rachel Maddow deconstruct this racist trend that has been running through politics for decades. To deny it is plain silly.

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White people, they're coming for you!! ;)

[frank samuel]

Racism has been use as a form of control targeting minorities and lower income families. Politics has to do with money and influences, CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS all major newspapers and media agencies will continue to play the game. As a veteran I did not want McCain or Palin in office, I cry at the inauguration of Obama but a year later I woke up as I am still getting emails asking me for money contributions . Politics is just an illusion to keep us busy while the big corporations continue playing both sides. There's no democrats or republicans these politicians don't care about principles, ethics or morality.

Iraq the estimates of civilian casualties are close to 1 million innocent people with another 2.5 million displaced civilians. 72 % of the Iraqi population have inadequate water access. This war has been a total nightmare for this people. For US soldiers over 30 % of the soldiers that come back from war in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from serious mental health issues.

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

I tend to forget why was it that we went to war in the first place, 911 and Osama Bin Laden ring a bell.

1-911 a strong possibility of a inside job.

2-The Bin Ladens close friends of the Bush family.

You might ask, what does Obama has to do with all of this? I'm only speculating , here is two likely possibilities.

a)- He's getting brief on a lot of misinformation and is totally unaware of what's going on.

b)- He's a willing participant, fully aware of the consequences of his inaction's.

I will go with b) but you guys and gals are free to chose or add other possibilities I have not thought of yet.

Blessings to all.

[pilotsimone]

You might ask, what does Obama has to do with all of this? I'm only speculating , here is two likely possibilities.

a)- He's getting brief on a lot of misinformation and is totally unaware of what's going on.

b)- He's a willing participant, fully aware of the consequences of his inaction's.

I will go with b) but you guys and gals are free to chose or add other possibilities I have not thought of yet.

Blessings to all.

Those seem very black and white.

Does anyone really believe it's that simple? I certainly do not, but it really doesn't concern me too much. I will continue to visualize him in a positive light.

Putting focus on how bad he is (or could be) essentially guarantees you that timeline. Is that really everyone's goal here? If so, have at it. Far be it for me to get in your way. :)

Blessings to Barack Obama and his family. From the looks of this thread...clearly, they could use it.

[frank samuel]

Those seem very black and white.

Does anyone really believe it's that simple? I certainly do not, but it really doesn't concern me too much. I will continue to visualize him in a positive light.

Putting focus on how bad he is (or could be) essentially guarantees you that timeline. Is that really everyone's goal here? If so, have at it. Far be it for me to get in your way. :)

Blessings to Barack Obama and his family. From the looks of this thread...clearly, they could use it.

Pilotsome I am a dreamer and as a parent of five children I remain very hopeful for a better tomorrow. The answers to resolving our problems will probably have to be more at the grass roots level , communities helping one another. Politics no matter where you go are control by the big corporations. In Puerto Rico where I now live the last governor resigned on 24 counts of corruption charges . The governor raised 5 million dollars to pay off the lawyers, judges and witnesses and got off Scott free, go figure.

Like you I hope that Obama really does something to bring the troops home and stick his neck out to free the American people from slavery through control wages by the big corporations and interest groups. Quite a big task.

I am a dreamer and I pray every day for peace, love, compassion and forgiveness. We are after all at the cross roads of turning our history of suffering, pain ,war and hunger into one of joy, love, compassion, forgiveness and healing. If Gandhi, Mandela, Martin Luther King Jr. could do it why not us. We have the all the tools at our disposal to turn this thing around irregardless of what politicians do or fail to do.

Many many blessings to you and yours.:wub:

[jimmer]

bottom line: obama has governed against the will of the vast majority of the american people.
any leader who does that will not be popular. black, white, political side -- none of that matters.
he's unpopular because he is not a good listener.

[Sarahmay]

I've lived in the midwest my entire life and can promise you the majority of those who don't like Obama in this area are racist whether they admit it to themselves or not.

Yes, it is true that the majority of anti-Obama folks in this country are racist, which is by far NOT the majority of Americans, despite what you might imagine if you watch Fox.

But not so of the contingency of anti-PTB/Govt people who are into conspiracies--they just don't like any politicians period. And those are a tiny minority.

The real truth is most Americans like and support Obama, even though they don't like everything that is going on right now.

[Fredkc]

Obama deservedly enjoys the same popularity with the American people that Bush did. Mostly because he is carrying on the same policies, the same failed financial and geo-political objectives.

What was the big "Change" we were promised? Simple;

Anyone who disagreed with Bush was quickly branded a "traitor".
Whereas
Anyone who disagrees with Obama is quickly branded a "racist".

“I may be that the American public is no longer educated, or interested enough to sustain a free society.” Paul Craig Roberts

I question the word "may"
Fred

[Ba-ba-Ra]

In Last Presidential Election:

One of Obama's biggest financial contributors - Goldman Sachs

One of McCain's biggest financial contributors - Goldman Sachs

It would be best to look past the window dressing (candidate) and look at who the puppet masters are. Goldman Sachs had the election tied up no matter which candidate won and I believe Geitner would have been named treasurer in either case.

Divide and Conquer has been used forever. As long as we keep relating to labels (democratic, republican, liberal, conservative, etc) they can keep us fighting among ourselves and we never look behind the curtain at who's pulling the strings. How long are we going to keep fighting over the same issues, which the PTB keep us focused on thru the controlled media, while they continue to siphon off our money into their pockets?

When we let go of our labels and join hands as human beings who all want clean air and water, who all want peace and harmony, who all want decent health care and education, that's when we will have really won the election. LET'S DO IT!

peace, Ba-ba-Ra

[Enlightenment101]

How can you confuse your father and grandfather? Come on lol this is becoming comical, Im so tired of people defending this man, I mean come on ......lol

[jaybee]

How can you confuse your father and grandfather? Come on lol this is becoming comical, Im so tired of people defending this man, I mean come on ......lol

Have you never made a SLIP OF THE TONGUE ?

This thread is about a remark made over TWO years ago. Just to bring the whole thing up again and to use a sensational thread title ....
is soooooooooo Groundhog day.


On the short video... from June 2008...Obama looks tired...and this isn't surprising as he was deep into his campaigning.

If you want to know what real 'tired' is Enlightenment101...why don't you try standing for US president.......:p:eek:

[Enlightenment101]

first off I live in the USA, second that was more than a slip of the tongue, that ws an outright lie, one doesn't mistake their father and their grandfather, I dont give a damn how tired you are, and second not everyone is a damn racist in the united states that doesn't care to much for Obama, and I voted for the man, and Im more than disappointed, true change would have meant that he would have removed both Patriot Acts, instead he kept them, Obama is changing nothing and staying on the same agenda, and if anyone thinks he isn't lol you better wake up. I'm tired of the racist card being used when you speak out about him, that is crap and its become a calling card, and everyone is seeing that, people want to remain blind so be it, I'm not Ive done enough research, And please, Obama doesn't run anything he is a puppet ,

[jaybee]

Being the president of a country of 309,992,000 people is never going to be an easy job in a representative democracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

I see this thread as a platform for obama-detractors. Politics is a dirty business at the best of times.

Cut the guy some slack...why don't you....

[Enlightenment101]

And one last thing, more white people voted for Obama than anyone else, and those are the same people now because they are not happy with the man and what he isn't doing, that are now racists , lol you cant have it both ways, doesn't work like that, you cant flash out that racist card when it suits you to explain away people being angry over no change,
Good thing most of our children don't seem to feel that way, which explains why we have so many mixed families in the united states, they could care less about that, they dress the same they talk the same, and listen to the same music, ask them about race and they will look at you like you are crazy, I know this for a fact.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Why did anyone do that for Bush? Uh. NO

[jaybee]

Has someone said you're a racist?

Obama himself comes from a mixed-race family, as you know.

[Enlightenment101]

That response was for someone else, but to answer the question, no, infact if anyone saw my family calling me that would be absolutely funny,

[jaybee]

That response was for someone else, but to answer the question, no, infact if anyone saw my family calling me that would be absolutely funny,


Glad we've got that cleard up.

But....to suggest that he was lying about his father and that it wasn't a slip of the tongue...is a bit extreme, IMO.

[jimmer]

the truly disconnected among us are those who defend obama as he (and his) go on endless vacations, pass unpopular bills,
governs for a small segment of the electorate and fibs endlessly when reality does fit.
the real disconnect can be found in those who can not admit they elected a an untested, immature person to lead a country in need
of bold, mature leadership. this experiment has not worked.

[jaybee]

You sound like a politician, Jimmer. A Republican politician.

As I said earlier...this thread was obviously created to be a platform for the anti-Obama crowd.....

I can only imagine the difficulties he is up against...with the wolves snapping at his heels 24/7....openly and/or covertly...

[frank samuel]

You can go to any country and you find that politics is the same everywhere. In order to run for office you need a squeaky clean good image if the person does not have one you buy the media and create one. Suffice to say politics is the place where deceiving the voter is the order of the day. If you check ie. Kennedy, Nixon, Bush,Clinton, is all about image. Funny thing that the highly criticized ex president Carter has been a avid supporter of humanitarian causes with groups like the Elders, founded by Mandela and Desmond Tutu. Carter is not well liked by democrats and republicans for sticking his nose where it does not belong, or is it because he really cares.

In most recent campaign elections many politicians around the world use the same slogans and speeches as Obama in order to get elected into office, coincidence. Here in Puerto Rico for example our present governor used the same slogan and speeches . Six months later 30,000 government employees that voted for the governor where fired from their job, as the school year begins there's less teachers, custodians, needless to say that most public schools are in a poor state of maintenance lacking in everything you can think of . The voters here are crying foul play, they are saying they where deceive, and that this Governor is the worst in the history of politics in Puerto Rico.Change you can believe in I guess. By the way Puerto Rican politicians make more money than politicians in most states in the US. The more things change the more they stay the same as far as politics is concerned.

Many many blessings to all.:thumb:

[jimmer]

You sound like a politician, Jimmer. A Republican politician.

I like many of us don't like fallacies.
does that make me a politician?
obama was pitched as a healer, a fixer.
in fact, he refuses to allow the wound to heal.
jobs will only come with a sense of stability, which obama will not provide.

interestingly enough, jaybee, the british press is doing some of the
best reportage of our situation in the states. many of us follow
the brit's lead more than our own main press.

[Ross]

You all want to witness the Australian elections, voting this weekend, same bollocks as always, same slogans with next to no policies...bash the oppositon is the tact...

IMO, democatic elections are a farce. 'They' lead you to believe you have a choice, with b/s promises, who you wish to govern, but you only ever have 2 choices to choose from...the lesser of two evils come to mind...

minor parties are just there to appease the voter who are disillusioned with the two major parties...another scam...REMEMBER...we work for the governing party that has been elected, they do NOT work for us.

End of rant

Ross

[steve_a]

Hi Ross,

There are actually three choices in your elections over there in Aus. The third choice is to null your vote. That way nobody gets elected. Of course the sheeple people will not do this as, after all, whatever will the neighbours think?

I have only ever voted once in my life. I came to the conclusion many, many years ago that the system didn't really need my vote and I didn't really need the system. Hence, I spent my life doing what I wanted to do, travelled the world, lived a fuller life and am content where I am.

Best regards,

Steve

[jackovesk]

NEWS ALERT: Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen is scheduled to appear live on the Alex Jones Show tomorrow THURSDAY AUGUST 19 at 1 PM EST / 12 NOON CST, to reveal his groundbreaking series on Barack Obama’s true origins. Madsen will share the bombshell revelations and extensive information from the following three articles– and even more that has not yet been revealed. Tell your friends, family and contacts to tune in and learn the truth. Also visit the Wayne Madsen Report for further research and other exclusive reports.

MP3 Interview with Wayne Masden below...

PREFACE

- Barack Obama, 2004 Democratic National Convention Keynote Address

Obama Quote: “Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let’s face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father — my grandfather — was a cook, a domestic servant to the British. But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before.”

Far from being the mere ‘son of a goat herder’ (as he deceptively paraded during and even before his candidacy), strong evidence has emerged that President Barack Obama is the product of the intelligence community. Investigative reporter and former NSA employee Wayne Madsen has put together an extensive three-part (and growing) series with conclusive proof and documentation that Barack Obama Sr., Stanley Ann Dunham, Lolo Soetoro and President Barack Obama himself all hold deep ties to the CIA and larger intelligence community. And that’s just the beginning.

After his election, President Obama quickly moved to seal off his records via an executive order. Now, after two years of hints and clues, there is substantial information to demonstrate that what Obama has omitted is that his rare rise to power can only be explained by his intelligence roots. However, this is more than the story of one man or his family. There is a long-term strategic plan to recruit promising candidates into intelligence and steer these individuals and their families into positions of influence and power. Consider that it is now declassified former British Prime Minister Tony Blair was recruited into MI5 before becoming a labour leader, or that George H. W. Bush not only became CIA director in 1976 but had a deeper past in the organization. While we may never know many pertinent details about these matters, one thing that is certain is that the American people have never been told the truth about who holds the real power, nor who this president– and likely many others– really is. Thus, we urge everyone to Read Wayne Madsen’s deep report and seek the TRUTH for yourself.

——————-

The Story of Obama: All in The Company (In Three Parts)

Wayne Madsen
Wayne Madsen Report
August 18, 2010

Read Wayne Madsens Full Report here..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bombshell-barack-obama-conclusively-outed-as-cia-creation.html

or Here...

Obama: All In The Company - Part I - 3
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/obama-all-in-the-company-part-i/

HERE IS THE MP3 INTERVIEW with Wayne Madsen...Starts @ 47.15 mins
http://www.archive.org/download/AlexJonesRadioShow-August192010/Alex_Jones_Show_-_08-19-10_-_64K_-_CF.mp3

[Eric J (Viking)]

Thanks for posting this Jack ... I will be following this with much interest!!

Man of the 'light' !!! Mmmmm ... :confused:

viking

[Tango]

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After graduating from Columbia University in 1983, Barack Obama went to work for a firm called Business International Corporation (BIC), a firm that was linked to economic intelligence gathering for the CIA. For one year, Obama worked as a researcher in BIC’s financial services division where he wrote for two BIC publications, Financing Foreign Operations and Business International Money Report, a weekly newsletter. An informed source has told WMR that Obama’s tuition debt at Columbia was paid off by BIC. In addition, WMR has learned that when Obama lived in Indonesia with his mother and his adoptive father Lolo Soetoro, the 20-year-old Obama, who was known as “Barry Soetoro,” traveled to Pakistan in 1981 and was hosted by the family of Muhammadmian Soomro, a Pakistani Sindhi who became acting President of Pakistan after the resignation of General Pervez Musharraf on August 18, 2008. WMR was told that the Obama/Soetoro trip to Pakistan, ostensibly to go “partridge hunting” with the Soomros, related to unknown CIA business.
The covert CIA program to assist the Afghan mujaheddin was already well underway at the time and Pakistan was the major base of operations for the CIA’s support. Obama also reportedly traveled to India, again, on unknown business for U.S. intelligence. WMR has been told by knowledgeable sources that Obama has, in the past, traveled on at least three passports: U.S., Indonesian, and British. BIC also maintained a European subsidiary, Business International S.A., in Geneva. BIC had long been associated with CIA activities since being founded by Eldridge Haynes, a self-professed liberal Democrat. The BIC headquarters was located at the prestigious address of 1 Dag Hammarskjold Plaza in Manhattan. BIC held a series of off-the-record, no press, meetings between top U.S. business executives and top government officials, including the President, and the Secretaries of State, Defense, Treasury, Commerce, and Labor; the Attorney General, Senate leadership, and the heads of the Export-Import Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank. BIC held international meetings in locations like Brussels and Mexico City.

In 1986, BIC was bought by the Economist Group in London and its operations were merged with the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU). There have been a number of reports that the EIU works as closely with Britain’s MI-6 intelligence service as BIC once worked with or for the CIA. One of BIC’s directors was the late Lord Pilkington, who was also a director of the Bank of England. Obama’s work for a company having ties to the CIA barely registered a blip on the 2008 presidential campaign radar screen. At the very least, Obama helped in providing economic intelligence to the CIA as a contract employee. At most, Obama was, like previous BIC employees who operated abroad for the CIA, a full-fledged non-official cover (NOC) agent. Since President Obama has backpedaled on CIA renditions and torture, as well as warrantless electronic surveillance by U.S. intelligence, he owes the American people a full explanation of the circumstances behind his being hired by BIC, what his job actually entailed, and whether he continued to have a relationship with BIC or any other CIA operation while attending Harvard Law School and thereafter.

Posted by,


Tango

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[JoeNashville]

The President of the US a fraud? This is news? LOL sorry guys.

As I understand it, it works like this:

You don't have to be a citizen to be the CEO of the corporation and that is the job he took. The President runs the Democracy (the Corporation), not the Republic (ref: Constitution). The Democracy is a war time apparatus that does not conform to the Constitution. And you guys thought all of these officials over the years were committing treason. Not so! They work under the rules of the Corporation, which supersedes the Republic during war/emergency. Naturally we are always in a state of emergency =) The Republic is considered a foreign jurisdiction while the war machine is active.

Ever wonder why the Secretary of State, Secretary of The Treasury and Secretary General are required to expatriate in order to perform their essential functions upon taking office? They are the conduits between the republic (remember - foreign jurisdiction... hence expatriation) and democracy!

As far as having a mortgage... holy cow man. That was paid in full the second you signed the promissory note. The mortgage you pay on your home is a fraud - a second loan.

I'm sure I have posted this up before, but do yourself a favor and spend a few days on this material:
www.creditorsincommerce.com - go to the audio link and clear in the next 3 months out of your schedule. Covers all of this and much more. So much there... did you know courts are banks? Do you know what happened the original 13th amendment? The constitution is a security sold to international bankers which we have bankrupted on 3 times (70 years each instance)? Did you know that everything is prepaid since the gold confiscation and insertion of the federal reserve (there is no money - it's all debt based on your energy)? Staggering. Mind-blowing. Learn!

Well if you want to get technical... That would certainly answer all the questions.

Why doesn't he just produce a birth certificate and end it? Simple and done. It makes no sense why he wouldn't unless there is something to hide.

Personally, I think this does matter.

[frank samuel]

Does anyone remember Bush Jr. fabricated false military record ? It has been a tradition to fabricate squeaky clean images for Presidential candidates and many political figures running for office. This is the way it has always been. Is funny how they are now focusing on Obama. There's more going on here than meets the eye. Hey as far as I am concerned is time to do away with all these politicians, start an alternate all volunteer government with no political associations, no made up elections. You do 4 years with no pay or benefits, then is time for another group of citizens to volunteer . Instead of jury duty is government duty. One corrupt politician pointing the finger at another corrupt politician is just too funny and hypocritical. Just my two cents. End of rant.

[onawah]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4782-Message-From-Matthew-August-13-2010/page2

I copied an article from the upcoming September article of Vanity Fair at the above link which pertains to this discussion. It's called "Washington, We Have a Problem", and describes what the office of the Presidency is like today, which is much different than most people imagine, and is unlike that of any other time, including even just a few years ago.
It's a good read.

[Ross]

Hi Ross,

There are actually three choices in your elections over there in Aus. The third choice is to null your vote. That way nobody gets elected. Of course the sheeple people will not do this as, after all, whatever will the neighbours think?

I have only ever voted once in my life. I came to the conclusion many, many years ago that the system didn't really need my vote and I didn't really need the system. Hence, I spent my life doing what I wanted to do, travelled the world, lived a fuller life and am content where I am.

Best regards,

Steve

Hi Steve,
Yes you are correct, One only has to sign in at voting booth, then put empty ballot form into ballot box and all is legal...not many know this.

Regards

Ross

[Justano]

good read, learned alot about Momma Obama's CIA connected past

[Dale]

This reminds me of the old "presidents are selected, not elected" expression.

I agree with the saying, but I've often wondered when the selection takes place. I'm under the impression that it takes place many, many years prior. This would certainly corroborate what Bill said in regards to Obama. I'm sure you all know the interview I'm talking about, help me out here :noidea:

[Barron]

Anyone wanting to know mor about Obama, his mother and her dubious past etc should read this great book! http://www.amazon.com/Barack-H-Obama-Unauthorized-Biography/dp/0930852818/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1282292829&sr=1-1
Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography [Paperback]
Webster G. Tarpley

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Written by the author of the legendary 1992 expose of Bush the elder, this book works from a New Deal point of view. Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama's mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama's secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation as a community organizer - a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity. The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks against whites against Hispanics against Asians, to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn, Obama's best friends, are cast in this mold. Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist. An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

[Celine]

Gotcha??

Lol.. sounds like a game...or a hunt

[Tango]

.


Why...?.A Game of words... Natural Born; Versus Naturalized...

Cause the TRUTH MATTERS... According to the U.S. Constitution


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded

If, It IS a game, Its a Game of ' haves ' and Have Not's....


Trooly,



Tango

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[Jonathon]

.

See Jonathon, You were Never that smart; from the beginning... YOU just want to appear that you are... " As You understand it."
mod edit, please be respectfull towards other members, name calling is not in keeping with the guidelines
Trooly,

Tango

Eeek just caught this. Trooly unnecessary Tango, just trying to add value to the thread. Although I try to be as clear as possible (as written language is not my forte), I certainly don't come from the intention of convincing anyone how smart I may or may not be. I don't know anything.

You choose the proverbial food you feed on -- I'm just enhancing the menu with tidbits that are meaningful to me.

All of the info you are presenting here, from my understanding, is pure misdirection. If there was any real credence to this issue, do you think it would be getting news coverage? This birth certificate issue will go nowhere. It will get squashed. Why? Because the real truth is that the birth certificate doesn't matter, and that's a window you simply cannot be allowed to see through.

Case in point: The Clinton Impeachment hearings... closed with a simple statement by MR. Clinton himself... "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." While a laughing stock to all except those who knew, Slick Willy nearly let a very big cat out of the bag, thereby assuring dismissal of his impeachment. Oh look, a birdie (as the cat sneaks out of the room)!!

Check out his inflection LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

In any case, certainly hope I have not offended you in any way Tango. Best Regards.

P.S. To correct my previous post, it's Attorney General, not Secretary General.

[Solace]

Ups, Time's up!! As usual, nothing is gonna happen. Too bad, that the Steven Greer "fans" can't remember these "promises".

[Wood]

I thought summer's end was marked by fall equinox (Sep 22nd). However, I've found there are some other dates for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer#Timing

I am not holding my breath about official disclosure though. I doubt it is going to happen and if it does I would wonder what to believe and what not. The only ET disclosure I would really like to see is the 'ships in the sky' kind followed by a mass landing and open contact.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Hi Everyone,

I think we need to listen very carefully to what Steven Greer said about what the document said given to him by some G8 government, "We wish to go on a long term journey together, make contact with these extra terestrial civilizations. Will you work with us?"

What does this tell us? If Greer claims to be already entering in contact with ET on his ranch, why is there a need to go on a long journey? If Greer gave Clinton 6 years from when he was in power, why hasn't he spilled the beans yet? Why was there a need to advertise the fact that he gave Obama one year? One year to do what? It isn't clear. Whatever it was, why not just wait until the one year is up and declare which government is willing to cooperate? Why is there a need for secrecy at the moment to divulge the "long journey". It's all too ambiguous for me. Get to the point Greer.

Once again there is this horrible deadline needing to be waited for. I really won't be holding my breath for the next six months to see what happens, as it appears that Greer is using other words to say nothing.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree. Whatever, if any, contact Greer had with ET's, it's now become big business for him, so he'll say or do whatever keeps the business going. His ego keeps reminding us that he was an emergency room doctor. Doctors make good money and I suspect, based on the entourage he always takes with him, that he is making more money going around convincing us about what he "knows". Not that I'm against anyone making money from information they have acquired; but often when their livelihoods depends on it, they become tempted to desert TRUTH for the dollars. I had a friend who worked for him, so I met him once briefly. BIG EGO, and he surrounds himself with people who worship him in Guru-like fashion. That always waves red flags for me.

[Etherios]

Until he does what he declared to do, his views mean nothing. Its all air. summer is over... still waiting...

[Mluck]

You know I don't want to burst the Disclosure projects bubble but no US president is every going to fully disclose. The people who really control this planet and us will never let it happen. The thing most people do not realize is that a lot of truths are right in front of our faces we just do not want to believe them or refuse to see them. I do not think anyone can be told what the whole truth is because 99% of us would still not believe. People need to put down there mass manipulation devices and seek truths for ourselves. Are conformist minds that are so well programed at an early age you have to learn to free your mind and leave your ego behind then and only then will you be able to see the truth.

[Operator]

Well summer is a-specific ... here in the Caribbean it's summer (almost) every day ... and do they mean northern hemisphere summer or southern hemisphere summer ?
Exact deadlines please ... !

[wynderer]

I thought summer's end was marked by fall equinox (Sep 22nd). However, I've found there are some other dates for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer#Timing

I am not holding my breath about official disclosure though. I doubt it is going to happen and if it does I would wonder what to believe and what not. The only ET disclosure I would really like to see is the 'ships in the sky' kind followed by a mass landing and open contact.

yikes! Wood, be careful what you wish for -- i have had two different real dreams about seeing mass ships in the sky & then landing -- over the years [on the net , 10 yrs or so for me], i've learned that others have also had both dreams

in one, when you see the ships landing, better run like hell in the opposite direction -- in the other, the arrival of the ships seems to correspond w/a jump into another timeline/future -- a nice one

[Eric J (Viking)]

How could we miss this important news...??? If it been posted already...my apologies...

Did you know....................

quote...
I am saddened to say that on June 10th, 2010, Obama signed Executive Order #13544 which mandates that the US is adopting Codex Alimentarius. This legislation, originating from the United Nations, in effect, begins a worldwide campaign for massive hunger and starvation. We fought them for 5 years and defeated them in Congress each year. We also assisted Canada over those years and were successful in defeating C.A. in Canada too. As of today, I do not know what has happened in Canada regarding this dire situation.

Now, with a stroke of a pen, and quietly behind the scenes when everyone was focused on the Gulf Oil Spill, he effectively launched Codex Alimentarius in the US, which is intended to bring ALL vitamin and mineral supplements and natural health remedies and technologies to an end. The CDC and the HHS can now make illegal, all alternative health remedies and technologies. This bill renders all alternative health remedies "unscientific" and not provable by the FDA. This legislation is a huge step in population control, giving the pharmaceuticals full control over the health of all individuals, which is what the global socialists have wanted for years.

Look up the Executive Order and read it for yourself. But use startpage.com and not Google. Google keeps records of your inquiries and sends all your inquiries to the NSA. Startpage.com does not.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/80/753/Obama_Implements_CODEX_ALIMENTARIUS_by_Executive_Order_in_the_U.S..html

viking

[Decibellistics]

two for two.......

[Celine]

C.D is now law...

*celine goes and buys bulk quatities of Vitamins D-C-B and olive leaf "

"look what they've done to our food Ma"


This is truly a crisis for all...

"control the food, control the world "

Vit pushers are going to start business soon... black market vitamins...

[Axman]

Nice:( Thats just what we need glad there looking out for our health. I know I cant do it myself


The Axman

[Anchor]

This comment is illuminating and worth reading - I found it attached to the OP's linked article which selectively quotes the order.


Ok, barbara, also notice sub-section c of section 7:

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Which means it's not a 'law' or any executive power, it's an executive order to form a council. Period. A council designed to help determine the needs of this and future generations of duh-mericans. You people are grasping at straws here. You know what? You aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. If you can only contribute hate mail aimed at the one person in charge of trying to make sure that you get to keep your fat lazy arse in your computer chair and keep finding reasons to feel important, then you really don't deserve to have an opinion. If you feel so strongly about this executive order to form a committee, go out and start a petition. Learn to use this wonderful broken system that we have in place here in America, not to just shout out as loud as you can, as if volume can make up for the lack of any insight or actual reason for your noise.

[Luke]

First, quote is from section 8ght not 7


(a) Insofar as the Federal Advisory Committee Act, as amended (5 U.S.C App.) may apply to the Advisory Group, any functions of the President under that Act, except that of reporting to the Congress, shall be performed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services in accordance with the guidelines that have been issued by the Administrator of General Services.

(b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(1) authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or
(2) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Maybe I'm dumb, but that seems to talk about that no "right" or"benefit" can be enforced on US govt or agency. This means citizens cannot sue any ill-effect of proposals created by this council.

So you have advisory council, that will help in creating policies, and cannot be sued if their policies start hurting people
Section a says it cannot interfere with rights given to already existing agencies

But then, I'm no lawyer, so my interpretation may be inaccurate.

All in all I see another council of talking heads, payed handsomely, that will hire experts, paid handsomely, to reccomend policies that could or could not be written into laws.
Looks more like an attempt to create some govt-funded jobs for friends and family :P

[tone3jaguar]

The trend has started to become States doing things independent of the Federal Government. Marijuana is a great example. The Federal Government still considers it a narcotic and illegal in all states. However, 14 states now have the rights within that state of getting a medical marijuana license. If they did actually start to try to enforce this idea of banning supplements, the states where that is a big industry would surely go against it. That is a multi billion dollar per year industry in America. You shut it down and you have decreased both US exports and dinged the economy again.

I will begin to worry if and when I actually can not buy my vitamins and what not.

[conk]

As usual it will be implemented gradually so as not to inflame to many at one time. The froggie in the pot of water, raising the temperature until the frog is finally in boiling water without knowing it. Shouldn't really matter, because after the collapse of the western world we'll all go back to nature anyway. No one will be able to buy Pharma poison. We'll all be out in the woods scratching around for a few herbs and berries to eat.

[MariaDine]

Hello friends ! :)

I think I am missing the point of this post.
Here in Portugal we have Special Stores to buy Health produts , food, vitamins, oils, aromas, Bach Florals, Homeopathic, etc
Produts that are not present in the pharmacy, supermarckets, etc.

The quality is very high. The quality control rests in several associations that are responsable before a Private Consumer Association.

[onawah]

I get newsletters and frequent emails from an organization that is working to expose Codex and keep it from being implemented in the US, and they have NOT indicated that it has been signed into law here, but instead, has been prevented from becoming law, and they are still circulating petitions etc.
Here are some links from them:
Natural Solutions Foundation

The Voice of Global Health AND FOOD Freedom™

www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org

www.FoodFreedomeJournal.org

www.NaturalSolutionsFoundation.org

[irishspirit]

Interesting video here.

Who is he talking about? Is it possible that he could be trying a JFK? and smash open and turn on his overlords?

Or, is he talking about the republicans?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYw_17HPSRc&feature=player_embedded

[sjkted]

One of JFK's last speeches before being assassinated. Does Obama bring any of this information to light or does he continue to support the system?

xhZk8ronces

[sjkted]

Some more food for thought from JFK's speech...

Even today, there is little threat of opposing a closed society by imitating it's arbitrary restrictions.

Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it.

aka Patriot Act
aka ObamaCare

An announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand it's meaning, to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it's in my control.

naked body scanners
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inverted-body-scanner-image-shows-naked-body-in-full-living-color.html
Iraq War
Afghanistan War
Obama Internet Off Switch
http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/07/bill-lets-obama-turn-off-the-internet

--sjkted

[Steven]

This only proves once again that a World Government already exist. It governs through international agencies like the UN, WHO, World Bank and etc... It has power over our countries and we never voted for them ;) A World government is already governing since a long time. It's just becoming official.

In regards to their laws, I will always be a law breaker. Step after steps, Obama and the whole lot of government around the world show their true allegiance with their acts. Fortunately, a few of them doesn't follow the rules, I have the new emergence of some Asian countries in mind, a few countries in Latin America, my hope is to see Africa coming out from the grasp of the foreign powers.

Edit: The Elite is making their Laws to rule our individual Lifes excluding the people voice from the process. They do it through these international agencies. What lack in the balance is a voice from the people strong enough to reach all points of the globe, to present a Law project that will rule their management. They make a poor management of this Planet and now of humanity because they have no other Principles than their own Freewill. The genuine idea of a Republic is to prevent a powerful group of individual to overcome the rights of the whole (humanity and Earth's right) by Laws and Principle so fundamentals that they encompass the whole. This idea isn't surrealist. It is possible if watered by the consciousness of a few dedicated members of the human family.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

Both of your posts reminded me about a poem from Credo Mutwa. Written about Obama, he makes a comparison with Kennedy.

Quotes from Credo Mutwa:

An actor walks upon the floodlit stage of lifewearing a mask of an angel beneath a demon’s gown.
Pretense smiles upon the crowded hall of life holding out hope as bright as it is false.
Son of a woman in whose veins flows the blood of ancient Ireland and dark Africa’s plains.
You are Obama, nick-named the standing king You are Barack, oh, son born to receive

The suffering hoards of Africa look up to you, See a black savior where nought but a Judas strides.
An entrapper of nations, bringer of dismal war Behind the robes and the nylon wings of hope
Oh, may those who look upon you, see you as you are. May those who hope in you behold you as you be
A prince deceitful to bring down Africa’s shrines
A siren who leads Africa’s ships onto rocks of obliteration.
Your rule my lord will not be one of peace
Your reign my king will not be one of smiles
Even as we speak in caves both dark and dank Enraged fanatics plot your dark demise
They will put around your head a bloodwet martyr’s crown.
Oh black Kennedy following the one before May God forgive thee and thy fiery spouse
As you walk in silence from the stage of life Barack Obama, blessed son, Oh standing king.

Vusamazulu Mutwa


End of the quotes.

I know well this kind of poem written from the voice deep within the heart. I have also a "gift" of this kind, like many others too. It's the voice of the soul, the knowledgeable presence with it's own symbolical language. This poem wasn't written from the intellect, that is for sure.

Namaste, Steven

[wynderer]

as one who empathically suffers on this planet from how the non-human animals are treated by the human animals, i see the usual acceptance that mistreatment of dogs is OK, but not of humans [or more likely, clones, in Pres Obama's case]

[wynderer]

isn't this kind of like the part of the USA 'Patriot' Act that states that any USA citizen can be picked up & incarcerated, indefinitely, w/o being advised of the charges against them, & w/out being allowed to have contact w/anyone outside, including an attorney or family members?

like, just as w/the Codex Alimentarius -- the threat as i see it is that both are on the books , there to be used when needed in the future -- there are beings in the NWO who make long-term plans, very long-term

& why the NWO thinks that they need to put these things into law, or at least into the legal system, when if they decide to do so, they'll just use military force to do whatever they want -???-- i've always wondered about this & have come up w/2 possible answers -- one is that quote: 'Hypocrisy is the tribute vice pays to virtue' , & the other, a very hopeful answer -- that the NWO knows full well that what they are doing is wrong; that there are higher-dimensional beings than they who are coming to planet Earth sometime soon, & --the way the Nazis did -- they, the NWO, are passing this bills/laws/edicts w/an eye to CYA in the future, when the time of karmic reckoning comes around, perhaps in a Cosmic Court of Law & Justice

[Celine]

i have faith in balance...

Thank you John for offering the other side, to look at.

C.A. is a tool, i agree though i really want to know what the end result will be.

We should no give into fear no matter the subject..

But...

Do i belive they want to help us or help themselves?

In the end all i care about is that i and others have the opportunity to live happy healthy and wise...

[wynderer]

i have faith in balance...

Thank you John for offering the other side, to look at.

C.A. is a tool, i agree though i really want to know what the end result will be.

We should no give into fear no matter the subject..

But...

Do i belive they want to help us or help themselves?

In the end all i care about is that i and others have the opportunity to live happy healthy and wise...

Hi Celine -- i hope that you will learn to look at what is going on w/o having to fight a fear response -- you often , in your posts, write about not having fear, so i am assuming that fear is an issue for you -- i hope you will learn to just be able to see 'This is what is happening' and then have the calm, non-fearful response of, 'Now, let's deal w/it'

[Celine]

Thank you wyn, you are quite observant.

yes fear is an issue in my life and am working hard to rid myself of that perspective.

are we not all on a learning path?

i am not one to hide who i am, or how i feel.

Perhaps if you would like to continue on this personal path, we may discuss it in private?

[Fredkc]

Obama: "They talk about me like I am a dog"

In fact, he is playing the part of a thoroughly institutionalized tool.
This would make him dangerous, even as dog catcher.

[MariaDine]

The Food Safety Bill..it would help to read the original text ...

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/
Here the problem is that the state is trying to impose that....
1 - No farmer can save seed , unless they are a multinacional.
2 - Organic farmers must use approved pesticides.

-----------
Friends ......You have a problem....we don't have this in Portugal. Private Farmers do as they please.

However, farmers who depend on money given by the State/Governement - Subsdy to grow their crops - are require to conform to the laws of the Ministry of Agriculture. This is the case where these approved pesticides laws come in.

[observer]

Comment withdrawn by observer.

[MariaDine]

.................it became the FDA's responsibility to prove that a supplement (food suplement) wasn't safe. While pharmaceutical manufacturers must demonstrate their products are effective as well as being safe, supplement manufacturers are not required to demonstrate efficacy.

Maybe this is one of the problems ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_supplement

[wynderer]

Thank you wyn, you are quite observant.

yes fear is an issue in my life and am working hard to rid myself of that perspective.

are we not all on a learning path?

i am not one to hide who i am, or how i feel.

Perhaps if you would like to continue on this personal path, we may discuss it in private?

i'm sorry, Celine -- heartfelt, heart-meant -- for being off -topic, & for bringing something personal about you up on the public part of the forum
-- please forgive me?

[Celine]

None needed, but given if you so feel it is ..

i understood your hearts intent... :)

[onawah]

Apologies for my earlier post, which needed editing. Here it is with corrections.
I get newsletters and frequent emails from an organization that is working to expose Codex and keep it from being implemented in the US, and they have NOT indicated that it has been signed into law here, but instead, has been prevented from becoming law, and they are still circulating petitions etc.
Here are some links from them:
Natural Solutions Foundation

The Voice of Global Health AND FOOD Freedom™

www.HealthFreedomUSA.org

www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org

www.FoodFreedomeJournal.org

www.NaturalSolutionsFoundation.org

[wynderer]

The Food Safety Bill..it would help to read the original text ...

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/
Here the problem is that the state is trying to impose that....
1 - No farmer can save seed , unless they are a multinacional.
2 - Organic farmers must use approved pesticides.

-----------
Friends ......You have a problem....we don't have this in Portugal. Private Farmers do as they please.

However, farmers who depend on money given by the State/Governement - Subsdy to grow their crops - are require to conform to the laws of the Ministry of Agriculture. This is the case where these approved pesticides laws come in.

didn't the EU also approve the Codex Alimentarius? --MariaDine, there are still many organic farmers here in the USA -- Farmer's Markets where in some parts of the country there are many organic stalls, lots of natural food stores w/organic produce [& organic dead animals, for those who like bloody stuff] --

it's not so much how things are NOW that's the concern, it's where they are going -- the 'Totalitarian Tip-Toe' as D Icke calls it -- every human being in the world should be concerned about the Codex A, imo

edit to add this, from educate_yourself.org, originally from a Ron Paul site:

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in the 1960s, is charged with "harmonizing" food and supplement rules among all nations of the world. As a result of Codex rules, those vitamins and minerals that would compete with medicines would require a doctor's prescription. The European Union has already adopted Codex-type regulations that will be in effect across Europe later this year (2005). This raises concerns that Europeans will challenge our relatively open market for health supplements in a WTO forum. This is hardly far-fetched, as Congress has already changed our tax laws to comply with a WTO order.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/codexalimentarius15jan09.shtml

[onawah]

This is from the site I mentioned, and the link is:
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5959
" Some are saying the Executive Order will allow Codex Alimentarius (the so-called World Food Code) restrictions on Americans’ access to dietary supplements and natural remedies. We will keep a close watch on this possibility and will alert the public if this danger to our liberty materializes. We firmly reject any attempt to use this new Health Care Council to force “HARMonization” of our health care freedom of choice with international restrictions, such as those embodied in Codex.

And, as we all know, freedom isn’t free: we need your help to be able to continue to assert your health and food freedom concerns. Please give generously at: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?page_id=189

This entry was posted on Sunday, July 11th, 2010"

So as of that date, apparently, the Health Freedom people do not think that Codex has been implemented via the Executive Order, and this is one of the issues they are focused on.
Please go to their site and take actions. I think they are doing good work.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

hes talking about the 90% of the public?

[Lost Soul]

Thank you Steven for sharing that poem from Credo Mutwa. I remember that silly thread we had here earlier where some members argued that Obama was a light worker. Like Fredk believes, I think he supports the institutions that would enslave mankind.

[jaybee]

Thank you Steven for sharing that poem from Credo Mutwa. I remember that silly thread we had here earlier where some members argued that Obama was a light worker. Like Fredk believes, I think he supports the institutions that would enslave mankind.


I didn't think it was silly...:p


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?2052-Barack-Obama-a-lightworker



You are never going to be President of the USA without having to work within and
around established institutions.

Changing 'institutions' etc from within is always going to be a tough call.


What is clear to me is that the internet is awash with anti-Obama propaganda.

His political ememies are, IMO, hard at work.

[frank samuel]

Some call him savior some call him King I just think he just another puppet hanging on a string.:usa2:

[yiolas]

One of JFK's last speeches before being assassinated. Does Obama bring any of this information to light or does he continue to support the system?

xhZk8ronces

Thank-you Sjkted for reminding us of President Kennedy's moving speech. Fifty years later it rings even more true than it did then.

Don't ask my why, but it brought this song to mind:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr-BYVeCv6U

[jaybee]

Obama has to be careful that he himself doesn't get assassinated.....?

Think how easy it would be to set America on fire....by doing this.

This is why I am of the opinion... that..... thinking bad thoughts about him...lowers his protection.

[yiolas]

jaybee: This is why I am of the opinion... that..... thinking bad thoughts about him...lowers his protection.

You are absolutely right jaybee.

[jaybee]

You are absolutely right jaybee.


Thanks for the feedback, Yiolas... much appreciated.

Cheers...





http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo93/beejay/bits%20and%20bobs/36042barack-obama-teens11.jpg

[Luke]

Think how easy it would be to set America on fire....by doing this.
Good observation.
If you dig into history, you'll see JFK was no saint. Adulterer for one (not that it bothers me much, but still, shows mentality). Drug addict for another, often zonked out on painkillers and amphetamines, even during important crisises. Sure , that is "black legend" but still, even if half of this was true, guy was serious problem, bordering on unpredictable. Add to that little to no real experience in foreign policy and you got explosive cocktail.
Yet, he got shot before he did any real damage.
And he is remembered as saint.
If something will happen to mr. O. his failures will be again diminished by "change" he tried to do, but had no time to finish. What we know now would be drowned in sea of hagiography.

So I say, better he'll be healthy and alive, cause his incompetence damages the system. It makes people ask question you'd never ask if you'd have saint as leader. Like : why the hell we need leaders in first place?

Also, think who would be mr.O's LBJ .....

[Lost Soul]

I don't want to see any physical harm come to him either, but he's done everything Wall Street wanted him to do and spent more money in his first year in office than the eight years of the previous drunken sailor. FYI - I am neither republican nor democrat and have been independent for over two decades. Jaybee - you're welcomed to my share of Kool-aid.

[conk]

If the fur fits...............

[jaybee]

Good observation.


:thumb:


Jaybee - you're welcomed to my share of Kool-aid.

Thanks.... I think....:p


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid

[Humble Janitor]

Comparing "Obamacare" (I'm getting a little sick of this term already) to the Patriot Act is nothing but silly. The health care bill won't take effect for a while but the fact that it could be revised (or outright scuttled) by 2014 is lost on most people.

And yes, Obama is treated badly by just about everyone (the media, tea party, his handlers) and I can clearly see that he's suffering from it. His hair is graying and he seems to no longer want to be a part of this.

Does that mean that he should get 100% sympathy? Of course not. If he's looking for a good time to turn the tables on his handlers, now would not be a bad time.

Otherwise, where do we go from here?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Some call him savior some call him King I just think he just another puppet hanging on a string.:usa2:

Yes, you and 95% of the rest of the population.

At least the trashing isn't as bad on here as it is on a few other sites. Can't go one day without seeing a new, hateful thread pop up.

[jaybee]

Yes, you and 95% of the rest of the population.

Just shows how well the propaganda campaign AGAINST him is working...
if this percentage is correct. But 95% seems too big to me...?



At least the trashing isn't as bad on here as it is on a few other sites. Can't go one day without seeing a new, hateful thread pop up.


It IS hateful.....and I, personally, am disappointed that there is so much trashing of him
on this forum...even if it's not as bad as on other forums.

But what I see...is a huge POLITICAL propaganda campaign against him...
Obama's enemies are relentless....and trying to get into people's heads....everywhere. IMO.

[Humble Janitor]

Well, just look at the Tea Party and how they've managed to turned people even further against Obama.

Yes, I know, he's made a lot of missteps. We do not need to be reminded of this 24/7. However, the last thing I want to see (and I'm sure that others want to see) is genuine harm towards this man.

[jaybee]

Well, just look at the Tea Party and how they've managed to turned people even further against Obama.

Yes, I know, he's made a lot of missteps. We do not need to be reminded of this 24/7. However, the last thing I want to see (and I'm sure that others want to see) is genuine harm towards this man.

I believe you...

I hope you're right....about 'others' as well....

For Obama's sake...and the sake of his family...

And quite frankly...for America's sake.

Because if anything happens to him...the social unrest would be devastating.

The last thing America wants is a return to Civil War?

Or...come to think of it....perhaps the (dormant) Confederacy...still harbour desires
for a re-run ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

[frank samuel]

Yes, you and 95% of the rest of the population.

At least the trashing isn't as bad on here as it is on a few other sites. Can't go one day without seeing a new, hateful thread pop up.

As part of the minority I was cheering for Obama and even cry at the inauguration. I did vote and actively campaign for Obama via phone calls to voters, once I turn CNN off and did not send any more donations you might say I woke up. You do realize they are still asking for donations, just like you I get the emails and updates.

I do not wish the man harm quite the contrary. If you compare JFK bio , you find that just like Bush Jr. there's always a bit of fiction throwing in. Here's one about Obama, his closed to 1 billion in campaign contributions came from the common folks, yeah maybe about 40% the rest was special interest groups and as everyone knows special interest groups dictate policy in Washington.

Many many blessings to all.:wub:

[jaybee]

I was cheering for Obama and even cry at the inauguration. :

Yeah so did I.

I even clapped...in my own living room...at the end of his speech...lol

:wub: for you.

[irishspirit]

Frank and Jaybe,

I think alot of people did, enven alot of people that where "awake". I think alot of people bought his words and smile. It happens. Lets just hope for your countries sake that you survive him!

Irish

[jaybee]

Frank and Jaybe,

I think alot of people did, enven alot of people that where "awake". I think alot of people bought his words and smile. It happens. Lets just hope for your countries sake that you survive him!

Irish


Do you consider YOURSELF to be "awake" ?

I'm guessing you do, by your words....

So correct me if I'm wrong....

Thanks.....

[irishspirit]

Jatbee,

no I do not consider myself to be awake. I have a pretty good understanding of what is going on, but far from asware of everything. If you do look at my words, you will see I have put a a quote over the word "awake", in other words, I am not applying it, but it is implied by others!

Be Safe

Irish

[observer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V-bxx7OyZ0

The connection with this man (Barack Obama) and this man (Zbigniew Brzezinski) has been well publicized since long before the election. All one needed to do was pay attention....

[Ilie Pandia]

Well... I think is safe to say that summer is gone :D

...any moment now... :rolleyes:

[Operator]

Well... I think is safe to say that summer is gone :D

Yes, even in the Caribbean ... we've got plenty of water now !

[Etherios]

NOOO DR.Greer isnt doing anything?? NOO i am shocked... NOT.


i knew this was going to happen ... Greer started good but i think he is now bought and paid.

[Kulapops]

... Or they'lll WHAT ??

Give him a giant wedgie ????

Under what nature can you threaten the president of the US ? You must either have a very large army... or some very naughty pictures... and no... staring at a 16 year old's behind will not really stand up as blackmail...

Face it. There will be no disclosure. Not today.. not tomorrow and not on Monday either.

Neither in October.., November.. or even as a Christmas present in December.

Make that ditto for 2011... 2012... 2015... and maybe even 2020.

Double that for 2030.. erm... 2040... and possibly 2050.

By which time we might have little ships of our own.. and you just might be able to go out nights looking for yourself....

Meanwhile... doesn't your cat need feeding ? And how about that pile of dishes next to the sink ??

Going to give us disclosure on THAT one ???

K

:)

[Etherios]

he say if not he will go to other countries to expose this...

[Lost Soul]

And some members here believe he is a light worker. :rolleyes:

[irishspirit]

good find op.

Obama, in my view, has always shown himself to be an NWO puppet from day one.

I would truely hope that there are not many people here that see this man as a light worker.

[sjkted]

Good observation.
If you dig into history, you'll see JFK was no saint. Adulterer for one (not that it bothers me much, but still, shows mentality). Drug addict for another, often zonked out on painkillers and amphetamines, even during important crisises. Sure , that is "black legend" but still, even if half of this was true, guy was serious problem, bordering on unpredictable. Add to that little to no real experience in foreign policy and you got explosive cocktail.
Yet, he got shot before he did any real damage.
And he is remembered as saint.
If something will happen to mr. O. his failures will be again diminished by "change" he tried to do, but had no time to finish. What we know now would be drowned in sea of hagiography.

So I say, better he'll be healthy and alive, cause his incompetence damages the system. It makes people ask question you'd never ask if you'd have saint as leader. Like : why the hell we need leaders in first place?

Also, think who would be mr.O's LBJ .....

I agree, JFK was no saint.

I've thought about this a bit and have come up with two possibilities:

(1) He knew they were going to try to assassinate him, so he decided to go public first, possibly even as an attempt to save his live by disclosing information so that everyone would know who was responsible.

(2) He had a change in his moral compass and decided he could no longer be part of the system.

--sjkted

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I don't want to see any physical harm come to him either, but he's done everything Wall Street wanted him to do and spent more money in his first year in office than the eight years of the previous drunken sailor. FYI - I am neither republican nor democrat and have been independent for over two decades. Jaybee - you're welcomed to my share of Kool-aid.

This is the part I don't get. Why would anyone assassinate him? He's done absolutely everything they've asked him to do and everything to subvert us the people. I'm a non-voter myself and aside from ideology, I would be willing to support anyone who simply had their heart in the right place.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Well, just look at the Tea Party and how they've managed to turned people even further against Obama.

Yes, I know, he's made a lot of missteps. We do not need to be reminded of this 24/7. However, the last thing I want to see (and I'm sure that others want to see) is genuine harm towards this man.

This is really the problem with the Tea Party. They've hit the tip of the iceburg on what's going on and have decided to go down the mad as hell and not going to take any more of it route. And while they're all doing that, they decide to support the system by voting in new candidates. And of course, the people who they vote in will absolutely, positively fulfill their campaign promises. They won't be able to make any progress until they get the full truth. A vote for a candidate is a vote for the system. It doesn't matter whether you vote democrat or republican, the results will be the same.

--sjkted

[sojorner]

Is it my imagination....in his speech he said wall street bailouts for Bush...then corrected it....

Did anyone catch that?

Soj

[sojorner]

between 1:10 and 1:20

Freudian slip....perhaps..

Soj

[sjkted]

That's funny. I couldn't get past the BS the first time to hear it. Thanks for pointing it out.

--sjkted

[shadowstalker]

Obama has to be careful that he himself doesn't get assassinated.....?

Think how easy it would be to set America on fire....by doing this.

This is why I am of the opinion... that..... thinking bad thoughts about him...lowers his protection.

Wasn't that one of the plans to happen, to ensue martial law, I heard that a while back

[sjkted]

If that were the case, what would be the case for a state of emergency? Certainly, he would be replaced by another puppet in prompt order. It's not like there would be rioting in the street or civil disorder.

--sjkted

[Bea]

I wonder how well the knockers & armchair critics of Barrack Obama would do if they were President.
How would they deal with the powerful interests that are firmly against making any headway for the people of the US, or the rest of the world for that matter?
Do they even glimpse how powerful those interests are? How would they, as one person against so many with so much, try to do some good?
How well would they do knowing that the precedent of threat to their life is there in what happened to JFK. He was prepared to take the PTB on, judging by the kinds, of things he spoke about before he was assassinated.
The rest of the world, it seems, see how great Obama is & that the forces arraigned against him are enormous, but not so much in the US. Lots of petty criticisms that show no appreciation of just how difficult his task is.
All those armchair critics would melt before the onslaught this courageous & good man faces.
One man against the elite of world power. A very clever man who has to do the best he can in very complex and difficult circumstances.
How well would the armchair critics do?
How brave would they be?


In Australia we have had a better public health care system since the early 1970's than Obama was able to achieve with all that fierce opposition.
Our 'Medicare' has been a boon, it is a blessing. Working class & middle class people don't have to beggar themselves to get medical treatment & care.
I can't imagine how awful it must be to live in a society where affordable health care is not available to all people.

[frank samuel]

I really don't know if you can give a white hat to Obama in Health care yet, the reality is Health care is big business and lobbyist usually play both sides . I give you an example which bothers me people in the US people receiving Social Security retirement benefits or disability have to pay $110 a month for health care benefits , by the time the lobbyist are done in the white house retirees and disable folks receiving Social Security benefits will wind up paying more for a health care plan than they can already afford.

To be a politician you have to dance with the devil in this case the devil would be the lobbyist who buy the politicians to favor the companies they work for.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/aug2009/lobs-a05.shtml

[freespirit]

Interesting video here.

Who is he talking about? Is it possible that he could be trying a JFK? and smash open and turn on his overlords?

Or, is he talking about the republicans?

Wow, thanks Irish that is one interesting remark and not a slip of the tongue.

[Bea]

frank samuel, I see what you point out as part of the enormous challenge Obama has on his hands, and I laud him for even trying to do something to help people on low incomes have affordable access to health care. Who else is doing it?

The amount the pharmaceutical companies rake in are staggering & it translates into power & influence.

Big pharma very much has it's tentacles here too (in Oz). One area it has major influence is our supposedly independent Therapeutic Goods Administration.
A few years ago the TGA shut down a thriving Australian owned business that manufactured most of the vitamins, minerals, herbal preparations etc sold by various companies here.
The reason was because a woman supposedly got sick (nothing permanent or life threatening ) from taking a 'travel calm' preparation for motion sickness. The TGA moved in swiftly & closed down the factory, & it was duly splashed all across the news in very dramatic, alarmist terms.There was never any legal action taken against the company.
I read an interview with the man who started the company a couple of years afterwards & he said the TGA's actions ruined the business & him financially.

Yet this year there have been cases of children under 5 having convulsions & in one case a death from this years' flu vaccine ( the death they won't admit is a direct result of the vaccination but it was broadly hinted at in the press coverage).
Some states here now have recommended that that particular vaccine not be given to under 5's. But there is hardly a murmur from the TGA who only seem to have anything to say about it in the press when they're specifically asked. They make non committal noises & cautious statements then.
But that company they closed down (Pan Pharmaceuticals..even though they weren't making regular pharmaceutical drugs) never reopened. We had shortages of vitamin etc supplements for weeks afterwards until alternative sources were established.

I work as a psychiatric nurse & hand out big pharma meds as a matter of routine to patients. I was staggered a while back when I noticed that the hospital pharmacy that dispensed the drug had printed the price on the dosing label they affix. One 50 ml bottle of an anti psychotic drug called Clopine cost $365. Depending on what dose the patient is prescribed one of those bottles can easily be used in or under a week.
From what I understand, when a drug company develops a new drug or a new form of that drug (eg in syrup or in depot form ie long acting injection) they get the rights to it for a period of time & can charge what they like, it seems, until those rights expire. They would claim they have research & development costs to recover, but b/c of the huge profits they make, I remain highly skeptical about their pricing. Basically I see the whole industry being about money, power & control.

[rgray222]

There are those that understand the true power structure and who is calling the shots and there are those that do not have a clue!

[Luke]

From what I understand, when a drug company develops a new drug or a new form of that drug (eg in syrup or in depot form ie long acting injection) they get the rights to it for a period of time & can charge what they like, it seems, until those rights expire. They would claim they have research & development costs to recover, but b/c of the huge profits they make, I remain highly skeptical about their pricing. Basically I see the whole industry being about money, power & control.
It is effect of Patent Law. Given the patent office is prone to awards patents haphazardly (see recent patenting of "system shutdown icon"), they are cheap (for company) way to deny market to any concurrence. Sure patent proponents would give you tirade about "rewarding inventors for time spent in labs" and else... but truth is, it's simple arbitrary awarded monopoly for given good, stemming right from mercantilists agenda. But it is discussion for another place and time.

(funny)"Money" and control are just other faces of power.

Also, one need to note that remedies produced in chemical industry are often worse than diseases they supposedly cure, but on the other hand too many "alternative" practitioners have zero credibility.

Point is, as other facets of our reality, "medical care" is just another carefully designed control system - not for benefit those who supposedly it serves, but for those seting quotas and redirecting funds. Who cares about serving millions of individuals with good product, if you can have same financial effect by pleasing few bureaucrats?

It's self propelling system : politicians (all) - govt contractor companies, and it's always those without connections/pull that are presented with bill for actions of those groups, and those actions are always sold as "protecting the poor".

And too many people fall for pretty words.

[observer]

I can only lead you to the voices of reason....

I can't force you to listen to their words....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI

Disclaimer:
This video is being offered for exposure to the opinions expressed by John Pilger. There is no suggestion the viewer should associate Mr. Pilger's opinions with the promoters of the video.

[jaybee]

I wonder how well the knockers & armchair critics of Barrack Obama would do if they were President.
How would they deal with the powerful interests that are firmly against making any headway for the people of the US, or the rest of the world for that matter?
Do they even glimpse how powerful those interests are? How would they, as one person against so many with so much, try to do some good?
How well would they do knowing that the precedent of threat to their life is there in what happened to JFK. He was prepared to take the PTB on, judging by the kinds, of things he spoke about before he was assassinated.
The rest of the world, it seems, see how great Obama is & that the forces arraigned against him are enormous, but not so much in the US. Lots of petty criticisms that show no appreciation of just how difficult his task is.
All those armchair critics would melt before the onslaught this courageous & good man faces.
One man against the elite of world power. A very clever man who has to do the best he can in very complex and difficult circumstances.
How well would the armchair critics do?
How brave would they be?
.


THANKYOU.

I absolutely agree.

Sometimes I feel like I'm in The Truman Show...when I support Obama, here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYj2m1yVpGU

[sjkted]

The problem is that most people act like the President is the guy in power who makes the decisions, who calls the shots, and leads the country. It is common sense, but it is faulty thinking. A great explanation of this would be the movie Liar, Liar with Jim Carrey. He gets put into the spokesman position too quickly to realize what he is a party to. And then when he finds out, it's hard to break loose because he's in on it and just as culpable as those who knew what was happening. The Presdient's role would be better explained as the Chief Spokesman of the country. He smiles, delivers speeches, "negotiates", explains why we need things like ObamaCare, etc. But, make big decisions? Absolutely not.

If I were President, the only thing ethical to do would be to make a JFK-style speech, say goodbye to everyone I care about, and wait for my physical demise.

--sjkted

[onawah]

No, Obama Did Not "Sign the US On to Codex"

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5604

Internet rumor is rampant about this, but it is not true. Perhaps this is simple misinformation: Codex is complex in the extreme and I can understand why people could get confused. This misinformation leads people to mistakenly say, "Well, the deed is done and there is nothing more I can do about it." Not so.

Or, again, perhaps this is intentional disinformation designed to take the wind out of the sales of Codex oppononts by convincing people that the deed is done and there is nothing more to say.

But the deed is NOT done and there is a GREAT DEAL more to say. Please read this brief article, http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5604, and then pass it along: let people know that the US has not, despite the decades of trying by the FDA and others, been signed on to Codex!

Here is the article at
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=5604

Does the Obama “Preventative Health Care” Executive Order Impose Codex?

Natural Solutions Foundation
The Voice of Global Health Freedom™
www.HealthFreedomUSA.org
www.GlobalHealthFreedom.org

President Obama: Allow Natural Solutions!
Dr. Rima E. Laibow, MD, the Natural Solutions Foundation Medical Director, just replied to an article concerning the President’s June 10th Executive Order establishing the National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council.

We have been following this issue carefully and have an Action Item for you to send email messages to the President and the Surgeon-General who is chair of the Council. We want this Council’s Advisory Group to include a majority of real health care practitioners who seek natural solutions to these issues.

You can send your message here: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4078

The question has been raised whether this new Executive Order sets the stage for the “back door” implementation of Codex Alimentarius (World Food Code) restrictions on American’s access to dietary supplements and natural remedies.

The article on Implementing Codex by Executive Order is here: http://survivingthemiddleclasscrash.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/barry-soetoro-imposter-in-chief-implements-codex-alimentarius-by-executive-order-in-the-u-s/ — Dr. Rima’s reply is below.

Natural Solutions are Change that We can Believe…

The Natural Solutions Foundation, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org, of which I am the Medical Director, has been attending Codex meetings for several years now and providing daily video and written reports of the genocidal proceedings. We have traveled the world’s poorest countries sharing the innovative and successful “Codex Two Step Process” with those countries to allow them to deviate from the dangerous and deadly Codex Guidelines and Standards without fearing WTO trade sanctions which are the real enforcement power of Codex, which is otherwise totally toothless in the face of the “Codex Two Step” strategy.

I believe that the United States has no place in Codex Alimentarius. If you go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfCni-LuR_c you can watch a video in which I discuss that view.

You can also go to http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/questionnaire.jsp?questionnaire_KEY=1042 and take our survey asking if you think that the US should participate in Codex Alimentarius.

Natural Solutions Foundation is the largest health freedom organization in the world: we are 100% supporter supported so we need your help in several ways. First of all, we need people to become informed about the origins and real function of Codex.

Please go to http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5266884912495233634# to watch a Video on the German genocidalists’ creation of Codex after they got out of jail for their crimes against humanity.

Then sign up for our free, secure Health Freedom Action eAlerts on our home page, www.HealthFreedomUSA.org to take action to protect your health, food and freedom. There is little time to loose, as you can see from this thrust.

My brief video on the Globalist Eugenocidal Agenda is at: http://www.youtube.com/naturalsolutions#p/f/1/_gWmVtn5JsA

But Codex is about far more than just supplements. Codex touches every bite or sip of food or water that passes your lips and it is all being degraded by the action of that body, driven by the US which acts for its real constituents: Big Pharma, Big Chema, Big AgriBiz, Big Biotech and Big Medica, the Uber-Cartel.

This touches all of us with its deadly fingers: it is up to all of us to push back with vitality and vigor. We can, and do, accomplish a great deal through effective push back but that takes voices, millions of them.

See my short video deconstructing Codex’s propaganda: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyo_VjJSVFo

Get angry, get involved and get effective. That’s what the Natural Solutions Foundation is doing.

Codex is a threat to the health and life of everyone on this planet. Please listen to the Dr. Rima Reports: Your Health, Your Way! from 9 PM to Midnight Eastern time on www.BlogTalkRadio.com/FreedomizerRadio. The last hour is devoted to your health questions because from 11 PM to Midnight Eastern Time “The Doctor is In!”

Special Announcement: Dr. Rima Reports Guest Tim Bolen (of the famous Bolen Reports) will be our guest this Sunday 9 PM – Midnight Eastern Time. Dr. Rima believes that the US should get out of Codex. Tim is not so sure. Listen – and participate – in the debate this Sunday night, June 18, 2010 at www.BlogTalkRadio.com/FreedomizerRadio. This is a show you won’t want to miss! Call in number: 347.324.3704.

Health Freedom IS Our First Freedom and it is under multiple attacks. Clean, unadulterated food is part of our birthright as humans.

This entry was posted on Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 at 10:43 pm and is filed under About Codex Alimentarius, Activism, CODEX Consequences, CODEX Industries, Disinformation . You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site.

Thanks for your support.
Yours in health and freedom,
Dr. Rima
Rima E. Laibow, MD
Medical Director
Natural Solutions Foundation
www.Dr.Rima.net

[Snowbird]

I have watched the Codex video at the site and have signed the petition.

[Bea]

THANKYOU.

I absolutely agree.

Sometimes I feel like I'm in The Truman Show...when I support Obama, here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYj2m1yVpGU

thanks jaybee...lol... I didn't know about that movie, The Truman Show...thanks for the link

It does baffle me how much flack Obama gets.

sjkted.....your physical demise wouldn't help anyone, your JFK style speech would probably be suppressed or there would be spin to discredit you.
I think we just have to work it out, collectively & individually, & we'll get there eventually.
Have just been reading another thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3667-EN-Jessica-Schab-A-Crystal-Child-Speaks-Out
Reading some of Jessica Schab's writings has uplifted me, particularly under the heading, 2012 Part 3: My Dance with the Dark/How to be Free from the Illuminati

[sjkted]

sjkted.....your physical demise wouldn't help anyone, your JFK style speech would probably be suppressed or there would be spin to discredit you.
I think we just have to work it out, collectively & individually, & we'll get there eventually.


Agreed on both counts. That just shows how little power the President really has. I was just saying that it was the only ethical action the President could take, not that it would necessarily benefit anyone.

--sjkted

[onawah]

I wonder how well the knockers & armchair critics of Barrack Obama would do if they were President.
How would they deal with the powerful interests that are firmly against making any headway for the people of the US, or the rest of the world for that matter?
Do they even glimpse how powerful those interests are? How would they, as one person against so many with so much, try to do some good?
How well would they do knowing that the precedent of threat to their life is there in what happened to JFK. He was prepared to take the PTB on, judging by the kinds, of things he spoke about before he was assassinated.
The rest of the world, it seems, see how great Obama is & that the forces arraigned against him are enormous, but not so much in the US. Lots of petty criticisms that show no appreciation of just how difficult his task is.
All those armchair critics would melt before the onslaught this courageous & good man faces.
One man against the elite of world power. A very clever man who has to do the best he can in very complex and difficult circumstances.
How well would the armchair critics do?
How brave would they be?


Well said!
I SO agree!!
And for me, just not having to encounter Bush's oblivious "what, me worry?" face in the media all the time is SUCH a gift!
It was a daily shaming just to be an American when he was President.
Obama has dignity, intelligence, heart and courage.

[truthseekerdan]

The Obama Administration IP Czar Victoria Espinel has been holding meetings with ISPs, registrars, payment processors and others in a bid to get them to block access to websites “dedicated to infringing activities”. However, as we have documented, the government deems such infringement to include political opinions which are antagonistic toward the state, leaving the door open for state censorship of free speech on the world wide web...

Visit Source for more (http://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-pressures-isps-to-censor-websites/)

[HORIZONS]

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lendmaninternetcensorship01oct10.shtml

New Internet Censorship Bill Introduced

By Stephen Lendman <lendmanstephen@sbcglobal.net>

October 1, 2010

New Internet Censorship Bill Introduced (Oct. 1, 2010)


Like most others in Congress, Senator Patrick Leahy is no progressive. He voted to fund imperial wars, regressive Obamacare, Wall Street-friendly financial reform, and other pro-business measures, including agribusiness-empowering bills, harming small farmers and consumers.

Now he's at it again. On September 20, he introduced S. 3804: Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA), "A bill to combat online infringement, and for other purposes." Referred to committee, it awaits further action. In fact, it needs a dagger thrust in its heart to kill it.

According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Richard Esguerra:

"If enacted, this bill lets the Attorney General and Justice Department "break the Internet one domain at a time - by requiring domain registrars/registries, ISPs, DNS providers, and others to block Internet users from reaching certain websites."

Two online blacklists will be created:

-- one for web sites the Attorney General may censor or block, and

-- most disturbing, domain names the Justice Department decides (without judicial review) are "dedicated to infringing activities."

The bill doesn't mandate, but "strongly suggests" that second category domains be blocked "as well as providing legal immunity for Internet intermediaries and DNS operators" that do it willingly at the behest of authorities.

Without question, "tremendous pressure" will be applied to comply, the alternative perhaps being recrimination for refusing.

Though fairly short, COICA may dangerously impair free expression, "current Internet architecture, copyright doctrine, foreign policy," and more. In 2010, "efforts to re-write copyright law (targeting) 'piracy' online" have been shown "to have unintended consequences."

Like other 2009 and 2010 bills, COICA "is a censorship bill that runs roughshod over freedom of speech on the Internet," an outrageous First Amendment violation by "tr(ying) to define a site 'dedicated to infringing activities,' (by) block(ing) a whole domain," not that one part alone if legally proved, rather than by government edict.

cont...

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/lendmaninternetcensorship01oct10.shtml
http://rense.com/general92/censor.htm

[Beth]

Merged threads.

[42]

Is this the same Obama administration that condemns China for internet censorship...?

[bluestflame]

the "WWW" stands for world wide web , any form of censorship to be effective would have to be worldwide or it can be got around through use of a proxy server

[irishspirit]

News has broken today that a federal agency will investigate another impeachable offense. The U.S. Treasury Department will launch an investigation into the Obama administration’s allegedly revealing his political opponents’ private tax information to the media.

In late August, an anonymous Obama official (now assumed to be Austan Goolsbee, one of the president’s economic advisors) revealed the tax structure of Koch Industries to the media, information its lawyer, Mark Holden, said must have been gleaned from confidential IRS forms. The possibly illegal disclosure was part of the administration’s coordinated press offensive against Koch Industries, whose owners, David and Charles Koch, have funded a number of libertarian enterprises that vocally oppose the president’s free-spending agenda. Most notable among these is Americans for Prosperity (AFP), whose state chapters host rallies from coast to coast.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-IA, called for action two weeks ago.

http://floydreports.com/?p=2391&utm_source=Floyd+Reports&utm_campaign=5bc977b5d3-FR_10_06_201010_6_2010&utm_medium=email

[irishspirit]

Barack Obama has threatened hand to hand combat if the Republicans take back the Congress in the upcoming midterm elections. Speaking a couple of days ago on little-known Michael Baisden’s radio show, Obama actually called into the radio show in order to use language that many people would see as hostile, combative and nothing but a threat. The failed president—whose approval ratings are in the toilet, just like his domestic agenda and his track record on health care and the economy—called in to Baisden’s radio show to target hardcore Democrat supporters and then fire them up and stir them into a frenzy so that they’ll turn out in greater numbers on election day.

These kinds of fighting words from the president are in utter contradiction to Obama’s now completely hollow words about unifying the US, which he so deviously used in the run-up to his election victory in 2008 (with a big assist from the liberal media!). Clearly, it appears that Obama’s empty promises to unify the country were nothing more than a shameless and dishonest ploy to help get himself elected by fooling some of the gullible independents back in 2008. In the present day, however, Obama’s message and choice of words are 100% different and represent a change in both his approach to dealing with the GOP, as well as how he is presenting himself to the voters.

Apparently, Obama’s facade of being a new kind of president who wanted to be a "unifier" was only good for the 2008 campaign season, as he successfully fooled a whole bunch of naïve independents into taking him at his word. Fast forward to fall 2010, however, and with approval numbers in the toilet, his back against the wall on all of his policies, and a Congress about to be wrested from his despicable party, Obama is singing a different tune entirely. He is able to finally show his true, ideologically partisan self, and that self is a much uglier version of the phony facade that he puts forth when campaigning before the voters. That version is one which makes union-style threats and continues to treat his fellow countrymen—the GOP—like a bunch of mortal enemies.

http://www.examiner.com/american-politics-in-vancouver/obama-threatens-hand-to-hand-combat-if-republicans-take-the-congress

[Operator]

Excuse me ... maybe I am totally off the charts here ... (I am not in the US of A)

Obama called in himself to a 'little-known' radio show .... ?
Very convincing stating that in an article with his photo accompanying that ... I have a hard time believing this ...

It appears to me as 'A voice over the radio ' ... is there anybody who can authenticate it ?

[xbusymom]

ummm.. yeah- right! i have a very hard time believing that one too.

[DeBron]

Well I live in Atlanta Georgia USA and I do listen to that show occasionally. Michael Baisden's show is known well in Black communities because he is a black man. Nothing that was said on the show was hostile. As is often the case, the President or any black man in this nation who asserts themselves is stated as hostile. I do not agree with some of the things he has done so far in his Presidency, but then again I do not agree with everything anyone has done in any position. People continuously say he is Christ, or the Anti-Christ, or even a clone of a long dead Pharaoh. The truth is none of that matters. All that matters is what you do, when you do it, and how you do it.

Oh by the way, the Michael Baisden Show is syndicated and can be found here:
http://www.michaelbaisden.com/

[NancyV]

His words from the radio show were also played on the news, so it is correct that he said if the GOP takes control of the congress there will be "hand to hand combat". Just more typical hostile partisan political-speak from a bought and paid for president. Nothing new, nothing remarkable. SSDD.

[Lost Soul]

His words from the radio show were also played on the news, so it is correct that he said if the GOP takes control of the congress there will be "hand to hand combat". Just more typical hostile partisan political-speak from a bought and paid for president. Nothing new, nothing remarkable. SSDD.

How true. As far as I'm concerned, both parties answer to Rockefeller or whomsoever pulls his strings.

[jackovesk]

Barack Obama has threatened hand to hand combat

That would be Right..."Hand to Hand Combat", just like he had with Larry Sinclair on the back seat of a Govt. Limo while he was a US Senator!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Lrf8DbrJH0

[Richard]

Over recent years, Mike Quinsey has published hundreds of messages purported to come from Ascended Masters and benevolent extraterrestrials. Originally these channelled communications were well-received and widely distributed. Many informed, experienced and spiritually literate commentators regarded his messages as veridical and light-bearing. Quinsey appeared to be a clear, clean and reliable channel.

But disinformation watchers began to notice a change in the late summer of 2008. For the first time, the energy signature of some sections of some of Mike Quinsey's messages felt wrong. The changes were subtle, but it appeared that Quinsey might have allowed himself, intermittently, to be influenced by a negative propagandist agenda. Some even suggested that he had been brought under CIA mind-control.

Quinsey's channelled entities began to say things about Barack Obama which did not ring true when placed against the US President's widely recognised track record as a cabal-controlled Satanist, and as the war-promoting agent of a foreign power with no legitimate birth qualification to be US President.

Among comments scattered through the eighteen Quinsey texts linked and referenced below are statements such as:

"Obama, a soul who will be motivated by higher purposes ...." (29.12.09);

"We knew that Obama was destined to lead the world out of its years of disaster under the old regime ...." (19.01.09);

"The authority and spiritual motivation of President Obama ...." (23.01.09);

"With the power of the people behind them, new leaders will come to the fore and be empowered by their spiritual understanding. President Obama is such a one .... the true path is within his heart and he will be bold and stand up for the truth ...." (06.02.09);

"Obama seeks peace instead of hostilities, and knows that he must build trust where previously there was nothing but confrontation .... Be intuitive, and measure the soul that is Obama by his intentions as expressed with wisdom and love for all people. He is charged with a task that holds the future of Mankind in its grasp, and it must not, and cannot fail ...." (08.04.09);

"President Obama .... is as you might say 'our man' and he has as intended emerged at the right time to carry you beyond the plans of the Illuminati ...." (29.06.09);
"We place our faith in President Obama who has a plan to broker world peace ...." (29.07.09);

"Look around you and you will detect some beautiful souls that are becoming known for their wisdom and insight. They are on Earth for the specific purpose of taking over from the dark Ones. Their influence is being felt, and they speak from the heart centre at all times. Include your President Obama in this group .... " (21.09.09);

"There is a chorus of unsettled people who have already lost patience with President Obama, but look for the positive signs and allow for slow progress until he can draw about him the right team. The future of your world lies with him, and it is support and not criticism that is needed ...." (25.09.09);

"President Obama will lead the plan that releases you from the dark Ones ...." (28.10.09);

"For us the election of Barack Obama as President of US was a major victory for the Light. His influences and desires for world peace are bringing in important changes, but the path is by no means easy. There are many who oppose his authority, and a difficult job is being made even harder. No President has served his term without contact from us and we are delighted to work with Obama, who is one of the few that have put world peace at the front of their agenda ...." (30.12.09).

Content is king in all this. It is prudent to attend closely to what is plainly and repeatedly said by those who claim to channel privileged spiritual information from sources above the commonplace. What is stated consistently over time by a respected source may carry a felt signature of truth - a veridical sigil - or it may carry the lower vibration of error or confusion.
The question has to be put: Might the sulphurous hoofprint of CIA disinformation be evident in some of what Mike Quinsey has recently articulated?

It has often been Langley tradecraft to mix in a little focussed disinformation with a lot of anodyne, affirmative and positive packaging material. An explicit lie only travels safely if it is accompanied by a large volume of tacitly accepted truth. The technique is not to promote the lie just once, but to quietly repeat the chosen blind again and again for months and years. The objective is conquest by erosion. The antidote, perhaps, is vigilance, alert attention to detail and open-minded discernment.

[Ross]

"President Obama .... is as you might say 'our man' and he has as intended emerged at the right time to carry you beyond the plans of the Illuminati ...." (29.06.09);
"We place our faith in President Obama who has a plan to broker world peace ...." (29.07.09);

Good grief...ppls need to understand where Obama did his due diligence...'The Chicago League Of Notorious Corrupt Politicians' (TCLONCP):eek:

[anikohu]

Hi, I agree with You . last year and the spring sounded like i was reading " The Restore America Plan" TRAP, now Obama as Global and Galactic peace maker ,,,, I smell Annunaki,

[Nagual]

Thanks Richard.

Back in 2008 I noticed that nearly at the same time Mike Quinsey started to call Obama 'our man', other researchers and channels like Dolores Cannon and David Wilcock referred to Obama as a ‘a champion for Light’, saying that Obama is a very advanced soul, working behind the scenes to turn things around, a Lightworker working against the NWO…

Quinsey, Cannon, and Wilcock have different sources of ‘privileged spiritual information’, and all these sources started to say the same thing about Obama almost at the same time? Hmmm…

[morguana]

the plot thickens, i have learned that even people that appear sound on the outside are rotton on the inside and that only trusting ones self is all we can do.
would not trust implictly someone that i dont know have never met or have had no truthfull connection with.
it would not surprise me at all to find that mike q has been turned

m

[Eric J (Viking)]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6894-Latest-SaLuSa-message...&p=60056&viewfull=1#post60056

viking

[Bluewool]

Speaking as a little Englander i am surprised by the amount of Obama-hating on this forum and in America in general (during my travels) Just because he is the president of America does that make him as Richard says a "cabal controlled Satanist" ? Don't remember people making these accusations at JFK or maybe you have to be assassinated before people say he was one of the good guys! If the dark can infiltrate light working groups why cant it work the other way round? Of course we cant know for sure either way but in my opinion he gives off good vibes and has a level of nobility about him.I continue to back him!
I have pasted below info from Haton from the latest Matthew message regarding Obama that can be found on the channelled info forum.

12. Generally speaking, people know US president Barack Obama only by what he says and what your media report. Most don’t have clue about what goes on “behind closed doors.” You see stubborn partisan politics. We see Obama’s powerful enemies within and far beyond the government who are determined to smash to smithereens his attempts at reform. You see him looking worried and know some call him weak and say he’s leading his country in the wrong direction. We feel his pain as his efforts to improve the lives of all who are downtrodden are scuttled by a few self-servers. You see him trying to end foreign conflicts and think he should stay home and fix what’s wrong in his own country. We feel his discouragement and exhaustion as the dark ones keep stirring up trouble to dash his efforts everywhere.

13. The folks you call “pundits” speculate whether voters will give Obama a second term in office. We sing his praises for staying the course day after day! He has to deal with some of the very ones who threaten his life and his family’s, yet his intention to keep working for a peaceful world without poverty anywhere remains firm. You know that he and his family are protected by the Christed light grid around them, but Obama doesn’t know that. You know that he is a major part of the Golden Age master plan, but he doesn’t know that either. He acts on his convictions, principles, aspirations and innate experience as an honored leader in a highly evolved civilization who agreed to serve Earth in the most demanding position on the planet. If everyone could know this soul as we do, all the doubts and carping about him would come to a screeching halt and you would thank God for this man’s courage, wisdom, spiritual and moral integrity and his willingness to persevere!

14. You know that your thoughts create what happens in your life, in your world, and everything you do affects everything else in this universe. So if any of you are among the carpers and doubters, stop that and start helping Obama to succeed! He’s working for you — do the same for him, yourselves, your world and our universe! You don’t have to become political activists. Just keep your hearts and minds in the right place and help others do it too. We’re in the trenches with you and we need your help—we have more than enough hindrance from the dark ones on Earth!

[Ross]

You know that your thoughts create what happens in your life, in your world, and everything you do affects everything else in this universe.

I am in complete agreement with this statement.

Ok, a lil off topic...

As with all Politicians, the leaders in particular, they rely on the msg of hope when wanting your vote. A very old trick to keep people in the future, to react to the past (governing admin and policies), they give promise's that never actually come to pass apart from very low level changes. This has always been the system...voters, people, are seemingly not aware of 'quoted' statement.

In regards to Obama, he was the perfect choice, the smooth dude, the smooth speaker, the peoples 'President' It worked a treat at the time...Divert the hatred and dis-satisfaction of the last President. Good cop, bad cop trick. He is far from transparent, he is far from authentic, he is a politician.

Obama operates under total control, He may think he has some control but its his advisers, the lurkers, who watch every move, coordinate, give him his taskes for the week, keep him compartmentilized... He's a minion.

This is Politics, this is the way it is. The DIMM. Deception, Illusion, Manipulation, Mindcontrol.

Regards

Ross

[tone3jaguar]

Has anyone ever actually seen a channeling buy this guy in person? Or are we just taking someones word for it that it is actually channeled and not just well written L Ron Hubbard style Sci Fi?

[Operator]

It's not only Obama ... can anyone explain to me why on one hand the Clintons e.g. are proven to be connected to the cabal and on the
other hand they are briefed by Stephen Greer, they are in contact with a benevolent 'Rockefeller' and they would be pro-disclosure ?

Something weird is going on ...

I decided to 'reset' my beliefs/opinions previous weekend and rebuild them again. I watched the interview with Wendelle Stevens and
you know what .... after letting everything go I think I finally get the picture ... it's probably not about cabal, illuminati and ET's at all !

We're all too much distracted by our belief systems so we can't see what is in front of our eyes ... I hope to write more about it this
weekend (in a new thread). In the mean time I recommend to listen very careful to the Wendelle Stevens interview:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6824-Wendelle-Stevens...-RIP

[Eric J (Viking)]

It's not only Obama ... can anyone explain to me why on one hand the Clintons e.g. are proven to be connected to the cabal and on the
other hand they are briefed by Stephen Greer, they are in contact with a benevolent 'Rockefeller' and they would be pro-disclosure ?

Something weird is going on ...

I decided to 'reset' my beliefs/opinions previous weekend and rebuild them again. I watched the interview with Wendelle Stevens and
you know what .... after letting everything go I think I finally get the picture ... it's probably not about cabal, illuminati and ET's at all !

We're all too much distracted by our belief systems so we can't see what is in front of our eyes ... I hope to write more about it this
weekend (in a new thread). In the mean time I recommend to listen very careful to the Wendelle Stevens interview:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6824-Wendelle-Stevens...-RIP

I second that...excellent set of videos...I look forward to your new thread Operater

viking

[Wood]

"For us the election of Barack Obama as President of US was a major victory for the Light. His influences and desires for world peace are bringing in important changes, but the path is by no means easy. There are many who oppose his authority, and a difficult job is being made even harder. No President has served his term without contact from us and we are delighted to work with Obama, who is one of the few that have put world peace at the front of their agenda ...."

Nowadays, when I see the word 'light' used as a label for a party I think about luciferian groups, or illuminati. I think their agenda involves a new world (NWO), peaceful and cleaner, but with people very tightly controlled by the elite. Kind of like 'Avatar', where the king, queen and shaman (IIRC) where the only real people. The others where just mindless supporters...

Thus, the quoted paragraph could actually be true but it may be understood in a very different way :).

[truthseekerdan]

It's not only Obama ... can anyone explain to me why on one hand the Clintons e.g. are proven to be connected to the cabal and on the
other hand they are briefed by Stephen Greer, they are in contact with a benevolent 'Rockefeller' and they would be pro-disclosure ?

Something weird is going on ...

I decided to 'reset' my beliefs/opinions previous weekend and rebuild them again. I watched the interview with Wendelle Stevens and
you know what .... after letting everything go I think I finally get the picture ... it's probably not about cabal, illuminati and ET's at all !

We're all too much distracted by our belief systems so we can't see what is in front of our eyes ... I hope to write more about it this
weekend (in a new thread). In the mean time I recommend to listen very careful to the Wendelle Stevens interview:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6824-Wendelle-Stevens...-RIP

Operator, I have to commend you for your post, and hope that you'll write more soon -- it's all about how we're perceiving...:pray:

[jackovesk]

Rush Limbaugh Quotes:

1. “I have never seen a picture of an American President look like that.”

2. "I feel like I' watching the Omen you know 666 and all that".

I'm no fan of Rush Limbaugh, but I have to agree with him on this one. See for yourself, what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Jf5ceFazE&feature=player_embedded#!

[rosie]

I just see a man who is passionate in his beliefs, trying to get his point across. You should see me in the morning :evil:....now that is demonic!
in love & light :wub:

[Fredkc]

I see Satan calling Lucifer the Devil ;)

Fred
(8-yr listener former of Limbaugh). Him a "tricky mahn"

[Celine]

He is saying that ...never before have photos like this been shared with the public of a president. That until now, presidents were never to look anything other the "pure"


i think it adds to his humanism, to show the pics..but rush is correct, it is rare to see such pics of presidents

[Solphilos]

Never seen a president with such facial expressions? Hmm, we've also never had a president of Obama's ethnicity as well, and yes, that does make a difference.

Not to mention that taking still-shot photos while someone is speaking is much the same as quoting a short phrase from an entire paragraph to make a point. Classic example of taking things out of context.

I have quite a few pictures taken of myself whilst speaking and I'm sure some would say I look pretty 'demonic' as well :fear:

Speaking of evil appearing facial expressions, no-one has the current pope beat

http://laeknishendr.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/evil-pope.jpg

http://www.freakingnews.com/Evil-Pope-Pics-29704.asp

http://wegoats.com/files/Pope-evil-children.jpg

http://theislamicstandard.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/evil-pope.jpg
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[Celine]

Ok i thought Halloween was still a ways away...

That was scary!!

[Fredkc]

http://laeknishendr.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/evil-pope.jpg

Straight outa Mel Brooks!!

Pope Whatsisname: Dead and loving it.

[Fredkc]

By the way... any truth springing from Rush's lips, ever, is purely accidental.

Rush's speal is easy to figure out: "Republicans good! Democrats bad!"

This is as much 100% pure bovine excrement as the reverse.

Murder, Mayhem, & Bankruptcy is what you get when either party is in power.

Trying to pick a "lesser evil" among them merely points out the old assumption that it is possible to pick up a turd by the 'clean' end. ;)
Fred

[Dale]

Obama; not much so.

The Pope; quite so!

:p

[Celine]

this begs the question...

do bad guys always look bad? and do good guys always look good?


anyone remember stranger danger? teaching kids bad guys were dark cloaks etc

[BrianEn]

That's one evil looking pope. His ears even resemble horns in Fred's pic.

[Teakai]

http://laeknishendr.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/evil-pope.jpg

Straight outa Mel Brooks!!

Pope Whatsisname: Dead and loving it.

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAA that cracked me right up.

Well, if there is a hell - guess I'm a candidate for it now.

[Susuda]

wow. nice pope picture(s). this virtual reality is really breaking down and everyone's true face will be revealed. I am thankful for all this deception to end.

[sunflower]

Ok, back to Obama. Personally I think he is exhausted and looks it. Simple as that. I wouldn't want his job.

[jackovesk]

this virtual reality is really breaking down and everyone's true face will be revealed. I am thankful for all this deception to end.

Well said Sasuda...

[Chakra]

I just see a man who is passionate in his beliefs, trying to get his point across. You should see me in the morning :evil:....now that is demonic! in love & light :wub:

OMG YES - question - why is it that so few of US here post THEIR real picture? lol too much trouble finding a great picture.
Not everyone is LIKE BETH and is so awesomely photogenic!

And - If you look at these pictures with out the highly opinionated totally biased brainwashing nonsense being repeated over and over in the background.... well anyone can see what they want you to see.

Glamor is an illusion these celeb pic's are a perfect example. ANY photographer will tell you how hard it is to get a perfect shot even with all the posing and make up. Bad shots are a dime a dozen.

http://seehere.blogspot.com/2006/08/celebrities-without-makeup.html

[Chakra]

Ok, back to Obama. Personally I think he is exhausted and looks it. Simple as that. I wouldn't want his job.

I second that! This morning from another thread I was wondering about how many presidents have been assassinated and was surprised to see how many death threats Obama and his family have had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_assassination_threats

I can totally understand that this man was groomed for office - they all are that is a given from the get go.
BUT it doesn't mean that they are still not men with their own families to worry over.
How do anyone of us know the real reason's why he agreed (and was it willingly) when even Colin Powell declined.

[Beth]

OMG YES - question - why is it that so few of US here post THEIR real picture? lol too much trouble finding a great picture.
Not everyone is LIKE BETH and is so awesomely photogenic!


Oh, no, no, no. I have plenty of sloppy drunk pics, the regulars in the chat can vouch for that, LOL. :lol:

[Chakra]

Obama; not much so.

The Pope; quite so! :p

Yup me two! or is that too, or to? lol
Forget the face, ears what ever...if you look into the pupils....not the doctored ones either. Scary very scary....

[Chakra]

Oh, no, no, no. I have plenty of sloppy drunk pics, the regulars in the chat can vouch for that, LOL. :lol:

Ya - not! :)

Your outward beauty is just a small reflection of the beauty I see in your eye's and thus your soul :kiss:
Truly precious sweet and adorable!


PS (cheques in the mail right! lol)

[Beth]

Ya - not! :)

Your outward beauty is just a small reflection of the beauty I see in your eye's and thus your soul :kiss:
Truly precious sweet and adorable!


Awww, thanks so much hun :hug:


PS (cheques in the mail right! lol)

Yep, you deserve a big one for that :lol:

[Ahkenaten]

They say that over time we all get the face we deserve ............. and that includes those in the US Federal witness protection program. Not to soil attempts at civilized discussion with (gasp) politics but there have been very unflattering, not to mention ridiculous photos of many US presidents, and notice that savant Limbaugh didn't take up any oxygen with a creative collage of photos of the boy wonder a few years ago..............

[Chakra]

Awww, thanks so much hun :hug:
Yep, you deserve a big one for that :lol:

EXCELLENT!

Cause - Since the world as we know it didn't end on the 13th :noidea: - and I was soooo counting on that too,:rapture: it seems that well my visa bill is still due....
and that just sucks...
:behindsofa:

[yiolas]

By the way... any truth springing from Rush's lips, ever, is purely accidental.

Rush's speal is easy to figure out: "Republicans good! Democrats bad!"

This is as much 100% pure bovine excrement as the reverse.

Murder, Mayhem, & Bankruptcy is what you get when either party is in power.

Trying to pick a "lesser evil" among them merely points out the old assumption that it is possible to pick up a turd by the 'clean' end. ;)
Fred

I agree with you 100% Fred, I did a stint listening to Rush right after 911. I even went so far as to listen to Bill O'Reiley as well. I was still in the States at the time.
I CRINGE now at the thought that I allowed myself to listen to such cruelty and propaganda.

[East Sun]

Why do we listen to and watch all this mindless crapola? Photos are 'doctored' to look like whatever the conditioned 'hate mongers' want to portray. Rush L. loves to cause 'mindless bull****' to stay popular so he picks anything and exaggerates it beyond the limit. That's what he has set up as a means of making a lucrative living.
But also the internet is full of the same crap. Isn't it obvious. Don't believe half of what you see or any of what you hear. Sounds familiar, does it not?

[yiolas]

What gets me is his apparent continuing popularity. From a quick look at the responses here, the majority of us do not listen to what this guy has to say. I can't believe that we are so much in the minority.

[Chakra]

What gets me is his apparent continuing popularity. From a quick look at the responses here, the majority of us do not listen to what this guy has to say. I can't believe that we are so much in the minority.

Great minds think alike - and are becoming an endangered species....

[Humble Janitor]

Rush Limbaugh Quotes:

1. “I have never seen a picture of an American President look like that.”

2. "I feel like I' watching the Omen you know 666 and all that".

I'm no fan of Rush Limbaugh, but I have to agree with him on this one. See for yourself, what do you think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Jf5ceFazE&feature=player_embedded#!

I think Rush is full of **** and I always have.

He looks like the Sta-Puff Man.

The amazing thing is that they're both on the same team anyway, though they may not realize it (possibly, by choice).

[in5d]

Many channelings are from the lower astral plane where information can be manipulated. While the message is usually positive, the content may be misleading.

[Celine]

Might be the florist in me.. yet when i read what you said I heard


"attract more bees with honey"

[truthseekerdan]

The commander in chief Barack Obama becomes the first sitting U.S. president to appear on the show. Enjoy! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8GG1fnSh0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8GG1fnSh0

[Jonathon]

Wow, a silent admission that the Stewart show DOES in fact contain more truth than mainstream media.

[JoshERTW]

Thats a great interview, would like to see part 2, it cuts off just as its getting good :(

This reinforces my opinion of Obama which has always been that he is a well meaning guy, who's hands are more or less tied due to the fact that the president is not the one who calls all the shots. He's in a little bit over his head, doing the best he can do with what hes got. The result is not the massive transformation he campaigned on, but as he said in the video, people like to focus on the negative, and this is why we get so many "Obama is a reptilian illuminati robot whos going to eat your soul" type Alex Jones-esque websites. Many of which are probably paid bloggers.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but thats my opinoin

[Dale]

This reinforces my opinion of Obama which has always been that he is a well meaning guy, who's hands are more or less tied due to the fact that the president is not the one who calls all the shots. He's in a little bit over his head, doing the best he can do with what hes got.

Well said, and much agreed.

[Jonathon]

Seems a bit staged and the timing certainly falls into a good pre-election 'buttering' window, however I don't necessarily disagree with you Josh. He's very likable. I pray for him and others. If he's a bad apple, my love will only serve to turn him around. If his intentions are pure, my love will bolster his efforts. Either way, it's a win. I do my best to withhold judgment otherwise. No one knows Obama except for Obama himself.

[truthseekerdan]

Thats a great interview, would like to see part 2, it cuts off just as its getting good :(

This reinforces my opinion of Obama which has always been that he is a well meaning guy, who's hands are more or less tied due to the fact that the president is not the one who calls all the shots. He's in a little bit over his head, doing the best he can do with what hes got. The result is not the massive transformation he campaigned on, but as he said in the video, people like to focus on the negative, and this is why we get so many "Obama is a reptilian illuminati robot whos going to eat your soul" type Alex Jones-esque websites. Many of which are probably paid bloggers.

I know I'll probably get flamed for this, but thats my opinoin

Here's the full episode: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-october-27-2010-barack-obama

[JoshERTW]

Looks like Obama is gtaking a trip tomorrow... with 3000 of his closest friends - never read this site before but recieved the link from a friend:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/148244

Also, I think Obama is a decent bloke - if something happens while he's away I will certainly wonder "did they plan the timing of this to discredit him?" I don't resonate with the whole Alex Jones thing (consider this my disclaimer haha).

That being said, any thoughts on this article? Credibility etc.? With the webbot timline pushed back to tomorrow from the previous Nov. 8, it just seems too "coincident..."

I recall there being a meeting with the Indian PM at the white house where Obama said some things that were interpreted as "pro-disclosure." No link I'm afraid, but it was around the time that the couple who werent on the list got into the white house dinner (may have been the same event actually) as I recall - and that story took centre stage.

Maybe he's goign to India to do a disclosure? This is complete speculation by the way, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

[truthseekerdan]

Are they gonna attack US? :wink:

[bluestflame]

would be interesting , a disclosure press release from a foreign country surrounded by hand picked allys

[witchy1]

Hi JoshERTW, there have been a couple of threads today on this very topic. Now combined here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7750-Galactics-Have-Contacted...

[Teakai]

Also, I think Obama is a decent bloke - if something happens while he's away I will certainly wonder "did they plan the timing of this to discredit him?" I don't resonate with the whole Alex Jones thing (consider this my disclaimer haha).


Hi Josh - in what way do you consider Obama to be 'decent' keeping in mind that he's pretty much done the opposite of what he's promised to do.

That he's allowed himself to be used as a puppet forwarding a 'nwo' agenda.

That he's spending the money of a bankrupt country like it's going out of fashion (which I guess it is)

And that he pretended to swim, with his child, in a poisoned gulf and deceive the public as to its safety.

I have no particular feelings toward the President, but I am curious as to what it is you perceive as being decent.

[JoshERTW]

I think the guy had good intentions when he got into office, and I still think he does - but I believe the system itself is so corrupt that even the so called "top" guy has very little power to elicit change. He did strike down the bill to allow banks to reposess houses they couldn't prove they held mortgages to, he has tried to implement some form of universal health care, albeit fairly scaled down, it certainly did help some people (I realize this is a contentious topic, but living in a country that has it, I would hate to have anything less).

What I'm trying to get at here, is he's not the most evil person in the world - I'm not claiming he's a saint either but I think the energy that the conspiracy movement is pouring into discrediting the guy is a bit of a waste - as you said, he's just a puppet - people would be better to focus on trying to expose the real men behind the curtain. Wasting energy on smearing Obama is just playing into their hands. Think of the alternative: McCain/Palin?

Would that be "better?" I can't see how it would. Is he worse than Bush/Cheney? I would certainly disagree with anyone who says he is. When I use the word decent, I am comparing him to the alternatives.

[conk]

No decent bloke is "elected" to office. Decent blokes can't make it on the ballot. This is of course a generalization.

[sjkted]

he has tried to implement some form of universal health care, albeit fairly scaled down, it certainly did help some people (I realize this is a contentious topic, but living in a country that has it, I would hate to have anything less).

The health care bill only makes is mandatory for everyone to buy health insurance. If you don't the government fines you $2400 a year (from my recollection). It doesn't "provide" health care for any class of people.

--sjkted

[JoshERTW]

It also has a lot of provisions for regulating insurance providers to ensure that they aren't just leaving people high-and-dry when they get sick after paying into plans for years on end - which was common practise before hand.

My understanding was it provided insurance to anyone who couldn't afford it (i.e. below a certain income bracket), but I could be mistaken - I didn't follow it too closely since it doesn't affect me directly.

Anyhow, arguments aside, it should be an interesting week or so.

[Solace]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/11/04/ac.obamas.india.trip.cost2.mov.cnn?hpt=C2

This time, I believe CNN...

But yeah... We are all going to die/transform/reincarnate/whatever at the weekend., so prepare for armageddon. :cool:

Thank you very much. It was good to be here. :painkiller:

[Decibellistics]

How long does the trip last.............?

[fifi]

9 days, 4 countries.

[sjkted]

Or until it's safe for him to return.

--sjkted