AT&T Outage due to solar flare

[Hummingbird]

I just was on the phone with a local business who told me that there computers are down threw at&t. At&t has stated that it was from solar flare....

The outage is all the way threw southern California, I'm in Northern Nevada

He told me they gave him no time table.. any one here anything on this?

Is it being covered by mainstream media? I tryed searching and found nothing

Can anyone dig anything up on this cuz I coudn't

[Lazlo]

My company headquarters are in So Cal and I am still able to access everything on the servers...don't know if we use AT&T though

[jackovesk]

Do you know what's really funny Hummingbird?

Its the fact your post, has not really sparked much interest!

It really is a timely reminder of what is just around the 'Turn Pike'!

The Sun is showing us her Power and it won't be long before she reminds us all whose the Boss!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/amazing_sun/amazing_sun_02.jpg

[greybeard]

Well im interested and I am aware of the significance and I thank all who bring these events to my notice.
It reminds me to keep a sensible amount of spare food and to do the best I can to be positive.
I believe we have a bright future-- smiling.
Thanks Jackovesk for pointing out the importance of being aware and Hummingbird for bringing this to our attention.

Chris

[blufire]

Well im interested and I am aware of the significance and I thank all who bring these events to my notice.
It reminds me to keep a sensible amount of spare food and to do the best I can to be positive.
I believe we have a bright future-- smiling.
Thanks Jackovesk for pointing out the importance of being aware and Hummingbird for bringing this to our attention.

Chris

I second both this post and jackovesk's post.

Whether this is an actual event today or not . . . these events will (I feel) become all too real soon enough. Just open your eyes . . . cut away the fluff and see what is left and undeniable.

I belive the future holds much change and I welcome it.

[Lazlo]

Well im interested and I am aware of the significance and I thank all who bring these events to my notice.
It reminds me to keep a sensible amount of spare food and to do the best I can to be positive.
I believe we have a bright future-- smiling.
Thanks Jackovesk for pointing out the importance of being aware and Hummingbird for bringing this to our attention.

Chris

I second both this post and jackovesk's post.

Whether this is an actual event today or not . . . these events will (I feel) become all too real soon enough. Just open your eyes . . . cut away the fluff and see what is left and undeniable.

I belive the future holds much change and I welcome it.

I don't disagree that a Carrington magnitude event would most likely end our way of life as we currently know it...

These things happen all of the time. I have several projects north of 45 Deg that rely on satellite comm and it is not unusual to lose telemetry or get corrupt data due to solar flares

Quebec had a major grid failure in 1989 during a storm that produced auroras visible over much of the USA

[Siberia9]

I dont know about mainstream media because I dont watch the govt programing but Alex Jones had this up on his page yesterday. http://www.prisonplanet.com/nasa-huge-solar-flare-may-disrupt-power-and-communications.html It was from RawStory originaly

[ceetee9]

Do you know what's really funny Hummingbird?

Its the fact your post, has not really sparked much interest!

It really is a timely reminder of what is just around the 'Turn Pike'!

The Sun is showing us her Power and it won't be long before she reminds us all whose the Boss!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/amazing_sun/amazing_sun_02.jpg

While this is a bit off-topic, it reminded me of a question I wanted to pose to the group. Has anyone thought about what they would do and how we could continue to communicate if (or when) they pull the plug on the Internet? In this country, the Pres now has the power to kill the Internet--of course, they'd only use it if they deemed the net was under a cyberattack. Right? So if we ever did start to band together, for example, to start taking back our rights and freedom, how many nanoseconds do you think it would take before they pulled the plug and began bombarding us with disinfo and BS propaganda through their mainstream media shills?

[Lazlo]

Do you know what's really funny Hummingbird?

Its the fact your post, has not really sparked much interest!

It really is a timely reminder of what is just around the 'Turn Pike'!

The Sun is showing us her Power and it won't be long before she reminds us all whose the Boss!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/amazing_sun/amazing_sun_02.jpg

While this is a bit off-topic, it reminded me of a question I wanted to pose to the group. Has anyone thought about what they would do and how we could continue to communicate if (or when) they pull the plug on the Internet? In this country, the Pres now has the power to kill the Internet--of course, they'd only use it if they deemed the net was under a cyberattack. Right? So if we ever did start to band together, for example, to start taking back our rights and freedom, how many nanoseconds do you think it would take before they pulled the plug and began bombarding us with disinfo and BS propaganda through their mainstream media shills?

HAM Radio, preferably a portable unit with a hand crank

[blufire]

In a x-class solar flare or cme everything with electrical components will be ruined. Unusable

Unless protected in a faraday cage.

opps edit: you are asking about internet being pulled not solar event . . . . never mind

[ceetee9]

HAM Radio, preferably a portable unit with a hand crank
I thought about that, but I figured they could easily jam that technology. However, I know very little about HAM radios.

[Lazlo]

I just lost comm with 5 different projects at the exact same time. They all use the same satellite, so one problem up top takes out everything.

Still, not that unusual as I said a few posts ago.

[norman]

Charles said something interesting about this. ( the interview video )

He said the elite were expecting this but we're not to worry because it won't be a really big problem.

They're only preparing their underground sanctuaries "just in case"!!!

Just in CASE!?

[Hummingbird]

Short wave radio will prob be our best guess if they pull the plug on the internet, I don't think they will not out in the open atleast because of the huge backlash.

Its not just us truthers who use the net daily but a huge portion of the populace in this country, this might wake people up to to much control.

They will probly just let the sun do that for them, IMO I think the world has been set up for this.

If Robert Tesla's Technology and idea's would've been accepted instead of blacklisted and killing him( and doing everything in there power to restrict him when he was alive) there would be antenna's instead of cords on your appliances.

They want us addicted to the plug in the wall so we become so dependent on it, when the flare happens( that they knew would happen all along)
people will start dieing in the thousands after a month or so.

Not being doom and gloom or fearful but I see how they can use an event like all the electric grid being trashed as a form of population reduction.

The young and strong will survive, but humans dependent on travel in a vehicle for medicine/food etc will be in a sticky situation if you have a car with a computer which 97% of people do, it will not work.


Personal Responsibility is the only thing that will help, rationalization is exactly what the Illuminade wants every one to do right up until the the moment of truth..

What if the AT&t outage is rigged and just conditioning the masses for a real event or setting it up to pull the plug and say a flare happened..

One thing that will help I have thought of was a Freezer ran of of Solar, as long as you could store food you could survive. If daily you must go hunt or gather it could be ruff times especially if you have children

I coudnt agree with you anymore Jackovesk

[Rocky_Shorz]

didn't someone mention over $20 Trillion has been spent building underground sanctuaries in the last 10 years?

[Lazlo]

HMMM.....

Fires in switchgear and other electrical devices are what to expect when large solar flares overload equipment due to induced DC current

Connected? Coincidence?

Power outage in Detroit forces evacuations


http://detnews.com/article/20110609/METRO/106090463/Power-outage-hits-downtown-Detroit#ixzz1Ooaq9qbz


Electrical fire knocks out spent fuel cooling at Nebraska nuke plant

http://www.propublica.org/article/electrical-fire-knocks-out-spent-fuel-cooling-at-nebraska-nuke-plant

[Siberia9]

I have a small shortwave I got from ebay for less than $35.00 US at least you will hear the govt lies, and some alt media transmit on that as well. Its worth having one or even more for trade Id say.

[Arrowwind]

I have taken this potential solar flair issue very seriously...
once again reviewed my food storage
and last fall we installed a manual pump for the well should the electricity go out
Over the next 6 weeks we will pull in 8 cords of wood for the coming winter, not
waiting till late summer for the task

I have also stock piled cooking charcoal and am working on building
a rocket stove which will easily burn the vast forest of sage brush we live in
without ever having to sacrifice a single plant... lots of dead wood here.

With all the predictions, and many scientifically backed, anyone who does not prepare
and reads on this forum will not get much sympathy when the SHTF.

One needs to awaken from the dream before it turns into a nightmare.
With preparations nightmares can be circumvented.

Seems nuclear facilities should be installing manual water pumps also.

[13th Warrior]

Charles said something interesting about this. ( the interview video )

He said the elite were expecting this but we're not to worry because it won't be a really big problem.

They're only preparing their underground sanctuaries "just in case"!!!

Just in CASE!?

...the chemtrails don't work???

[Lazlo]

I have taken this potential solar flair issue very seriously...
once again reviewed my food storage
and last fall we installed a manual pump for the well should the electricity go out
Over the next 6 weeks we will pull in 8 cords of wood for the coming winter, not
waiting till late summer for the task

I have also stock piled cooking charcoal and am working on building
a rocket stove which will easily burn the vast forest of sage brush we live in
without ever having to sacrifice a single plant... lots of dead wood here.

With all the predictions, and many scientifically backed, anyone who does not prepare
and reads on this forum will not get much sympathy when the SHTF.

One needs to awaken from the dream before it turns into a nightmare.
With preparations nightmares can be circumvented.

Seems nuclear facilities should be installing manual water pumps also.

Kudos to you for prepping.

I have been working at this for a couple of years now. Luckily for me I spent a couple of years living primitively, without electricity or running water, so I already have most everything you could think of, but most importantly, I have the mental conditioning to be happy without the conveniences.

Of course 99% of everyone out there is going to go bat **** crazy when the grocery store shelves are empty. God help us all...

It's not just the possibility of a solar flare that could send it all down the drain, things are so precarious right now that the sky is full of Black Swans, and any one of them could land at any time.

[Etherios]

Charles said something interesting about this. ( the interview video )

He said the elite were expecting this but we're not to worry because it won't be a really big problem.

They're only preparing their underground sanctuaries "just in case"!!!

Just in CASE!?

You still remember Charles? lol ...

[Arrowwind]

[Of course 99% of everyone out there is going to go bat **** crazy when the grocery store shelves are empty. God help us all...

.

Perhaps you live in a neck of the woods that many more are prepared than in other parts... which will make it easier for everyone... now, I didn't say easy...just easier

[Siberia9]

Well Lazlo the cops and military will be shutting down the roads and city's when it happens, so those of us out here on the fringe will have only them to fear as they go house to house taking guns and food and fuel and do god knows what else. I most worry for those in the southwest and west because the plan that was told to me was to have Chinese and Mexican troops on the street in the west and Russian in the southwest. At least that was the plan as given to me back in the 1970's for the planned collapse. Of course Russia has a secret base in Mexico where they train for house to house gun confiscation etc in the US, so it seems to still be on as best I can see. I guess we are getting off topic here but needs to said anyway.

[Arrowwind]

Charles said something interesting about this. ( the interview video )

He said the elite were expecting this but we're not to worry because it won't be a really big problem.

They're only preparing their underground sanctuaries "just in case"!!!

Just in CASE!?


You still remember Charles? lol ...

I have remembered to forget Charles, but now you just reminded me:(

[greybeard]

Charles said something interesting about this. ( the interview video )

He said the elite were expecting this but we're not to worry because it won't be a really big problem.

They're only preparing their underground sanctuaries "just in case"!!!





Just in CASE!?

You still remember Charles? lol ...

Milton Erickson the Master Hypnotherapist had an illness that normally caused a lot of pain.
When asked how he manage to sleep with it.
He said jokingly . I imagine a tiger under the bed--- the fear of one cancels out the pain of the other.
Well the "excitement" of solar flares might cancel out the memories of what ever you want it to cancel out.

Chris

[Arrowwind]

Well Lazlo the cops and military will be shutting down the roads and city's when it happens, so those of us out here on the fringe will have only them to fear as they go house to house taking guns and food and fuel and do god knows what else. I most worry for those in the southwest and west because the plan that was told to me was to have Chinese and Mexican troops on the street in the west and Russian in the southwest. At least that was the plan as given to me back in the 1970's for the planned collapse. Of course Russia has a secret base in Mexico where they train for house to house gun confiscation etc in the US, so it seems to still be on as best I can see. I guess we are getting off topic here but needs to said anyway.

and when the SHTF I wonder how many of those soldiers will high tail it home to defend and assist their famiies?

Personally in our neck of the woods we have a narrow valley and a few explosive experts... they will have to fly in but we are so remote it will take them a very long time to get around to it.

[Lazlo]

[Of course 99% of everyone out there is going to go bat **** crazy when the grocery store shelves are empty. God help us all...

.

Perhaps you live in a neck of the woods that many more are prepared than in other parts... which will make it easier for everyone... now, I didn't say easy...just easier

I live in one of the most remote necks of the woods in the continental US. It's a hundred miles to the nearest big box store, and there isn't so much as a gas station between here and there.

This is both good and bad. I believe people here will be much safer and behave better than those in large cities. We have good community gardens, good weather, good water and wildlife.

But, when the gas stops flowing we are going to be cut off. There will be no medicines coming in, etc.

[Hummingbird]

I have taken this potential solar flair issue very seriously...
once again reviewed my food storage
and last fall we installed a manual pump for the well should the electricity go out
Over the next 6 weeks we will pull in 8 cords of wood for the coming winter, not
waiting till late summer for the task

I have also stock piled cooking charcoal and am working on building
a rocket stove which will easily burn the vast forest of sage brush we live in
without ever having to sacrifice a single plant... lots of dead wood here.

With all the predictions, and many scientifically backed, anyone who does not prepare
and reads on this forum will not get much sympathy when the SHTF.

One needs to awaken from the dream before it turns into a nightmare.
With preparations nightmares can be circumvented.

Seems nuclear facilities should be installing manual water pumps also.

Kudos to you for prepping.

I have been working at this for a couple of years now. Luckily for me I spent a couple of years living primitively, without electricity or running water, so I already have most everything you could think of, but most importantly, I have the mental conditioning to be happy without the conveniences.

Of course 99% of everyone out there is going to go bat **** crazy when the grocery store shelves are empty. God help us all...

It's not just the possibility of a solar flare that could send it all down the drain, things are so precarious right now that the sky is full of Black Swans, and any one of them could land at any time.


I to commed you Arrowind you have motivated me to do more thank you..

I agree Lazlo that the mental state will be the real problem, the adaptation to the basics.

I unfortunately have not had any primitive living experience and don't have abundant finances but will do what it takes.

I also live in alot of sagebrush like arrowind so I am off to learn how to build a rocket stove.. Thank you all for contibuting

[Arrowwind]

wish I still had the links for a rocket stove for you... you need a 4 diameter inch 45 degree angle wood stove pipe piece.. its the key ingredient for a good one. the rest is made out of bricks and then find a grill to put on it... Ill look around for the website.

Im 110 to a big box store and our valley has a population of about 2,500 within a strecth of about 80 miles. ... many farmers and ranchers who know the basics on much already and our very own irrigation water suppply that "they" would have to come up here to control if they were to control it.
No electricity needed, all gravity flow.
when ever I get slightly bummed about being so far from "civilization" I remember that I don't have enough fingers upon which to count all my blessings.

[Arrowwind]

[I also live in alot of sagebrush like arrowind so I am off to learn how to build a rocket stove.. Thank you all for contibuting

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSMR2ANIZ7E

and here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=797446823830833401#

still looking for my favorite design, its kinda a combo of the above two with the pipe but with bricks

[Lazlo]

I to commed you Arrowind you have motivated me to do more thank you..

I agree Lazlo that the mental state will be the real problem, the adaptation to the basics.

I unfortunately have not had any primitive living experience and don't have abundant finances but will do what it takes.

I also live in alot of sagebrush like arrowind so I am off to learn how to build a rocket stove.. Thank you all for contibuting

You can make a very cheap ($15) and effective, almost scary, solar furnace for cooking, boiling water, melting metal.....really.....

Find yourself an old satellite dish, not one of the big ones, but a small modern one like they use for dish TV

Head to the craft store and buy a bunch of little mirrors, alternately, be careful and break any old mirror up into 1/4 inch pieces.

Cover the inside of the satellite dish with the mirrors using high temp epoxy (this is where most of the $15 dollars goes)

Point it into the sun, and for the love of God don't get in the way of the beam:cool:

[Artemesia]

I wanted to see the pictures of the 6/7 flare and wasn't disappointed, the vid of the CME and subsequent plasma rain was incredible.

What was incredibly lame though was the statement that NASA doesn't think this will have any effect on Earth. Uh, yea, right. I HOPE it has an effect. I know it did. I was out in the forest for 2 days and came back with a strange sunburn although it was mostly cloudy and felt really sun wiped, like one does after a full day of water sports activities when the sun is bouncing off the water at one all day. Anyway, glad my meditations were heard by more than one cosmic body in that time. If NASA can't figure out that things matter, do matter, as in EVERYTHING, cosmically, to what's going on on Earth these days, I know some skillfull redeployments of paychecks that would be in order.

[Arrowwind]

I. I was out in the forest for 2 days and came back with a strange sunburn although it was mostly cloudy and felt really sun wiped, like one does after a full day of water sports activities when the sun is bouncing off the water at one all day. .

this has been reported in my neighborhood too. I got a real bad sunburn with blisters on the top of my nose... haven't had that since I was a kid at the ocean. The next day I was wipped out and slept most of the day

[Arrowwind]

[Point it into the sun, and for the love of God don't get in the way of the beam:cool:

really, wouldnt you need special glasses?
I think it would be helpful with these to have a small pressure cooker to speed things up
in case rain may be on the way.

[ghostrider]

the lamestream media is keeping quiet about real news, won't be long and they will not be able to avoid the great power of the sun.

[bitworm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0_nuvPKIi8

[Hummingbird]

[I also live in alot of sagebrush like arrowind so I am off to learn how to build a rocket stove.. Thank you all for contibuting

here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSMR2ANIZ7E

and here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=797446823830833401#

still looking for my favorite design, its kinda a combo of the above two with the pipe but with bricks

You are an angel thank you for the digging

[ghostrider]

it was 101.5 today in tulsa, the local news stated it was 95. they're hiding the true tempature as to not panic the public. it's been over 100 for a week, I check it daily with a digital thermometer and the local weather guys always go 5 or 6 degress cooler. don't belive them it's hotter because of solar activity no doubt. would like to know the real temp around avalon's locations, bet we would all be a little uneasy. the sun is cooking the earth.

[Arrowwind]

it was 101.5 today in tulsa, the local news stated it was 95. they're hiding the true tempature as to not panic the public. it's been over 100 for a week, I check it daily with a digital thermometer and the local weather guys always go 5 or 6 degress cooler. don't belive them it's hotter because of solar activity no doubt. would like to know the real temp around avalon's locations, bet we would all be a little uneasy. the sun is cooking the earth.

well we had frost last night. and today its about 50 with the wind blowing incessantly...many storm clouds again which means the midwest is in for it in 24 to 48 hours, again... always 24 to 48 hours after it passes over us... its be unusually cool here for the last 2 years

When our cool clouds hit the midwest it becomes explosive,, never mind radio active... thats almost to much to think about.. and I continually move in and out of denial about it

[Lazlo]

[Point it into the sun, and for the love of God don't get in the way of the beam:cool:

really, wouldnt you need special glasses?
I think it would be helpful with these to have a small pressure cooker to speed things up
in case rain may be on the way.

Welding goggles do nicely, and a pressure cooker, grill or whatever you want in the beam..

Sorry, I was trying to not clutter the post with a lot of silly safety nonsense LOL

[Shocking Display]

Post Solar Flare event communication device

http://vickyloves.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/cans-on-string.jpg

[freespirit]

I just was on the phone with a local business who told me that there computers are down threw at&t. At&t has stated that it was from solar flare....

The outage is all the way threw southern California, I'm in Northern Nevada

He told me they gave him no time table.. any one here anything on this?

Is it being covered by mainstream media? I tryed searching and found nothing

Can anyone dig anything up on this cuz I coudn't

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110607/ts_alt_afp/usspaceweather

There was also a feature on c4 news UK early in the week.

Maybe it's time we all invested in a cheap CB radio.

Freespirit over and out

[Cjay]

Has anyone thought about what they would do and how we could continue to communicate if (or when) they pull the plug on the Internet? In this country, the Pres now has the power to kill the Internet

I'm not so sure the government could "kill" the Internet - at least not easily - and if they tried, it would probably trigger World War III. There are simply too many computers and too many redundant connections all over the world.

One of the fundamental design principles of the Internet is that it can't be stopped because there are millions of independent networks that are interconnected in so many different ways. The nature of the internet, at least as far as the tens of millions of servers are concerned, is that if a connection is broken, they automatically search for alternate routes.

It would seriously impede the Internet if they cut most of the backbone connections and flooded the remaining networks with "traffic" to slow everything down but I don't think the internet would stop completely. Just to cut the backbone connections would probably require more explosions than the shock and awe campaign at the start of the second war in Iraq.

Maybe the sun could wipe out most of the internet with lots of huge electromagnetic pulses. That could damage or destroy a billion computers but I am sure some would survive.

There are hundreds of different conceptual "maps" of the internet. I like this one because it's simplicity illustrates the complexity of the city-to-city connections. Not all connections are physical connections. Even parts of the backbone are wireless. In reality, it is way more complicated than this picture.

http://chrisharrison.net/img/internetmapconnectionssplash.jpg

[Hummingbird]

Update: Wife works as dental asst, a machine to make crowns starting malfunctioning so the Dr called the supplier to be told they are having difficulties with the machines due to SOLAR FLARES..

A friend at her work went to wells fargo to access her account and she wasnt in the system anymore and they told her it was due to the SOLAR FLARE!!

prepare and be aware everyone..

[fifi]

Hi Hummingbird,

Which location do you experience this?

[Lazlo]

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2011/06/09/09climatewire-this-weeks-solar-flare-illuminates-the-grids-63979.html



In the worst-case scenario, the stockpile of spare transformers would fall far short of replacement needs. Urban centers across the continent would be without power for many months or even years, until new transformers could be manufactured and delivered from Asia. The transformers are not made in the United States.

"If the solar storm of 1921, which has been termed a one-in-100-year event, were to occur today, well over 300 extra-high-voltage transformers could be damaged or destroyed, thereby interrupting power to 130 million people for a period of years," Joseph McClelland, director of the Office of Electric Reliability at the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, said at a May 31 House Energy subcommittee hearing on the issue.

"The U.S. society and economy are so critically dependent upon the availability of electricity that a significant collapse of the grid precipitated by a major natural or man-made EMP [electro-magnetic pulse] event could result in catastrophic civilian casualties," Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) said at the same hearing.

[Foontik]

I wanted to see the pictures of the 6/7 flare and wasn't disappointed, the vid of the CME and subsequent plasma rain was incredible.

What was incredibly lame though was the statement that NASA doesn't think this will have any effect on Earth. Uh, yea, right. I HOPE it has an effect. I know it did. I was out in the forest for 2 days and came back with a strange sunburn although it was mostly cloudy and felt really sun wiped, like one does after a full day of water sports activities when the sun is bouncing off the water at one all day. Anyway, glad my meditations were heard by more than one cosmic body in that time. If NASA can't figure out that things matter, do matter, as in EVERYTHING, cosmically, to what's going on on Earth these days, I know some skillfull redeployments of paychecks that would be in order.

Actually, NOAA has a web site that tracks much more and you can sign up for e-mail warnings, etc. When a Geomagnetic of G2 hits, my head literally wants to explode, my wife bites the dog and all kind of strangeness :cool:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/alerts_timeline.html

seriously, go to the definitions page and read their description of what happens at the different levels, its quite reveling of the effects different levels of geomagnetic flux, impulses or electron storms can have. Shutting down the phone grid is the least of them. This last month has been quite busy as far as measurable "events" go.

Someone posted earlier than the actual temperature has been consistently higher than the "official" one. Here too by 5-6 degrees per day (Houston area), and its not just a factor of where the temperature has been taken.

As an aside, when I lived in Russia it was common for the weather on the TV or radio to warn of a "magnetniya Burya" or Magnetic blizzard, or storm. Many years ago I used to laugh that off as nonsense. In that as in other things, I was very, very wrong.

[Hummingbird]

That would be northern Nevada USA fifi

[Eikoor21]

well i have at&t and so does this hole mobile park i live in
and i am currently using my internet and phone just fine
so just inform yourself more before you state that there is AT&T outages

[Lazlo]

well i have at&t and so does this hole mobile park i live in
and i am currently using my internet and phone just fine
so just inform yourself more before you state that there is AT&T outages

WOW! A little harsh there. The outages were a couple of days ago, in the OP's area. How about checking dates on a post and informing yourself more before jumping to conclusions.

[Eikoor21]

lol yes and i use internet and the phone line everyday including a couple of days ago
sorry for my harshness