Conspiracy Theories

[manny]

Conspiracy Theories
At the present time we have many conspiracy theories going around .
We have comet Elinin ,2012,chemtrails,earthquakes,food shortages,Haarp,ufo,s,.
The list goes on.
Someone somewhere knows something about certain subjects.

Question example.
E Coli in cucumbers and Swine flu.
why go to the trouble of developing these and releasing them slowly to the population?
When they could spray us with small pox or some other fast acting de population virus.

Why go to the trouble and not just do it.
Because I feel that if wanted to they could.
So why all the drama?

Are we not the conspiracy theorist looking for a conspiracy wherever we can find one!
Look at the Charles saga for example.
If it is true that he was just in it for the money,and so are many others.
Then they are giving us what we are looking for.
Information mixed with disinformation.

So as for conspiracy theorists
maybe just maybe we create them and people give us what we want to hear!

[Tony]

It's becoming like pornography!

(Though I wouldn't know, I'm only saying what I think it might be like. How would I know? ....ok...I might have seen something... once! )

[Anno]

Are you familiar with the term Zeitgeist? "Fear of the Age". Every age has had its big fear. Space Exploration gave us Martians. Nuclear War gave us Zombies and Mutants. Computers gave us Terminator.

We are now in the 2.0 internet age where everything is user generated. We no longer need to be given a Zeitgeist, we can go in to the fear supermarket online and cherry pick individual 'facts' and 'theories' to come up with our very own personalised Zeitgeist. That is what Conspiracy Theory has become.

They even have brands now. If you believe in Reptilians, go give your money to the reptile guy. If you believe it's the devil, go give your money to the religion guy. If it's the Aliens go give your money to the many representatives of the various alien groups. Aslong as you're entertained by spooky stories you receive then it's all good. Catharsis, Escapism and Entertainment.

I wish people could separate Conspiracy Theory from Truth Seeker. The line is so blurry it's hard to know where you're standing half the time.

[greybeard]

A truth seeker
Searches for truth only being interested in finding truth.
There is no agenda --- the truth is shared without opinion.
If its true it does not need an opinion because it is undeniably true.
Ok a few will still argue but the great majority accept the earth goes round the sun.

Chris

[sepia]

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My theory to your question:

I don't think it is just about killing. This would probably be rather easy.

It's about fear.

Fear reduces the immune-system, fear makes us tight...

But for every challenge there are 3 possible reactions:




Energy sinking down:
You loose your power, your abilities, your trust, hope, creativity, health, maybe your job...
.
Energy gets stuck on the same level as the resistance:
You spend your life fighting against...
You try to wake others up, try to change the system...
.
Energy grows through the resistance - beyond the resistance:
You learn to deal with challenges in a way you personally think it makes sense. And there are hundreds of ways.

> You use the best of your abilities, you are creative, get involved with others who are active in similar ways.

> You learn very many things along the way - you communicate, motivate, you teach and become a natural 'leader'...


This is development, evolution, and also a natural selection.

Might this be one of the goals?

Sepia

[fathertedsmate]

its to test the condition the population in given areas, as time goes by each individual is accumilating assorted chemicals,toxins,heavy metals,water,food does not contain the required minerals, your immune system is working 24/7 ,you can only become ill when the blood is acidic, modern life ensures nothing is in balance, viruses,pathogens,bad bacteria etc can only live in the right enviroment,that enviroment is acidic, E coli, swine flue etc are secondry infections and can only grow if the enviroment is right, the numbers contracting infections etc, give feedback to the owners of the herd, injections will be produced, super foods containing what the body needs will be blamed then controlled and once again the herd will cull itself, just a thought from a victim that is back in controll,well nearly

[sshenry]

The "fear of the age" used to be be generated from the collective fears of that particular society; fears that were cultivated by the governments and higher ups in ordere to control the mood of the people. (And you have to admit it - fear is an INCREDIBLY powerful tool for manipulation). Get enough people afraid of the same thing and they will be putty in your hands.

If you think about it - this falling away from any one great fear is probably a good sign; a sign that people are no longer falling into the 'mass manipulation' put out by the higher ups.

The bad thing is - because they are USED to having something to be afraid of, they go LOOKING for something else (sometimes anything else) that they can point to and say "there, THAT is what's responsible for my life being the way it is."

The key is to move past the fear - the need to be afraid - the need to have someone to blame -and actually take responsibility for our own lives and actions so that we can actually make some forward progress instead of continually running around in circles :)

[Anno]

[...]

But for every challenge there are 3 possible reactions:




Energy sinking down:
You loose your power, your abilities, your trust, hope, creativity, health, maybe your job...
.
Energy gets stuck on the same level as the resistance:
You spend your life fighting against...
You try to wake others up, try to change the system...
.
Energy grows through the resistance - beyond the resistance:
You learn to deal with challenges in a way you personally think it makes sense. And there are hundreds of ways.

> You use the best of your abilities, you are creative, get involved with others who are active in similar ways.

> You learn very many things along the way - you communicate, motivate, you teach and become a natural 'leader'...

[...]


What about...

4. If you can't beat them, join them. You realise you can never win and decide to sell out, join the other side and reap the benefits?

I think that's where Truth Seekers can be changed in to Conspiracy Theorists.

[Tony]

The truth is the truth, and does not change.
We have just found a few more obstacles,
which actually enhance one practice.

Speeds up the process.

[manny]

so is the answer FEAR.
too keep us in fear .to satisfy there own ego,s.
but as we all wake up we realise there is nothing to fear.
only a longing for what we already know.

¤=[Post Update]=¤



[...]

But for every challenge there are 3 possible reactions:




Energy sinking down:
You loose your power, your abilities, your trust, hope, creativity, health, maybe your job...
.
Energy gets stuck on the same level as the resistance:
You spend your life fighting against...
You try to wake others up, try to change the system...
.
Energy grows through the resistance - beyond the resistance:
You learn to deal with challenges in a way you personally think it makes sense. And there are hundreds of ways.

> You use the best of your abilities, you are creative, get involved with others who are active in similar ways.

> You learn very many things along the way - you communicate, motivate, you teach and become a natural 'leader'...

[...]


What about...

4. If you can't beat them, join them. You realise you can never win and decide to sell out, join the other side and reap the benefits?

I think that's where Truth Seekers can be changed in to Conspiracy Theorists.

then you will help in surpressing people.is that your mission?
i don,t think so.

[greybeard]

Conspiracy theories feed ego
Why?
They are divisive, people will form opinions that are contrary to other opinions.
It is extremely easy to manipulate opinion--- believe me.

The ego is fed by being superior, knowing more, being special.
I got it right, the rest are asleep, I am awake -- you are not.

So my favorite theme. (transcend ego)
The so called powers that be, fear the spiritually aware, as they know they are not the body and therefore fear is non existent or greatly diminished.

The powers that been encourage conspiracy theories as they promote, fear, anger, frustration, division.
It does not matter to them if you find them out or not

The spiritual teachers are the biggest threat to the powers that be.

Can you imagine how hard to control a spiritually advanced, fearless population, would be?


I rest my case.

Chris

[manny]

Conspiracy theories feed ego
Why?
They are divisive, people will form opinions that are contrary to other opinions.
It is extremely easy to manipulate opinion--- believe me.

The ego is fed by being superior, knowing more, being special.
I got it right, the rest are asleep, I am awake -- you are not.

So my favorite theme. (transcend ego)
The so called powers that be, fear the spiritually aware, as they know they are not the body and therefore fear is non existent or greatly diminished.

The powers that been encourage conspiracy theories as they promote, fear, anger, frustration, division.
It does not matter to them if you find them out or not

The spiritual teachers are the biggest threat to the powers that be.

Can you imagine how hard to control a spiritually advanced, fearless population, would be?


I rest my case.

Chris
now that sent shivers down my body!

[Forevernyt]

I’ve gotta say I was just thinking about a similar topic this morning. I was thinking about when did I wake up to extreme possibilities? I’ve always been interested in UFOS, secrets, cryptozoology etc, but nothing too serious. If a documentary came on, I would watch it then leave it alone. But, I think ever since 9/11, I have been more involved with learning as much as I can from wherever I can. I feel I’m also more open to extreme possibilities being possibilities more than ever. Does that make me a cook? If you ask my family and friends, the answer is yes. God forbid if I suggest that someone performing a “random” shooting could be a sleeper conducting a hit. Don’t talk about the radiation and Fukushima, no one wants to hear about it. As long as we don’t have rabbits being born with no ears, we’re safe. There are no such things as aliens. It was a weather balloon.

I think that there is a large amount of cognitive dissonance happening in our world. People want to believe they live in these little humdrum safe environments where the good people in politics, although corrupt and greedy, will make sure that I have a job, a car and three square meals a day. We won’t talk about people getting arrested for feeding or caring for the homeless. How a SWAT team could invade a man’s home because his wife owes some money on a loan. They don't see that and they can’t put all of these events into the bigger picture. If you try to explain it to them “CRACK POT!”

Do we see what we want to see so that we can feel like we’re right and they are wrong? Do we go barking up the wrong tree just to bark? I don’t know anymore. I have kids and I am afraid for their future. Between radiation, incoming comets/brown dwarf/alien ships, earth changes/earthquakes/megastorms, CME’s causing losses in the power grid, NWO/ money failures, pandemics, galactic waves, huge dust clouds and whatever else we can find or think of, how can I paint a pretty picture of the future for my kids?

The only thing I can do, is to keep reading, gather the information for myself, go with what resonates with me, and love my children and family as much as I can. Raise them to be loving caring people, that ask questions, search out truth for themselves and to keep their minds open.

[manny]

so here for example.
we have two guys in afghanistan or where ever.
there goverments sent them there to fight for what is right and true.

no,1 guy,holds a photo with someone who is killed and poses for his friends.

no,2 guy,comes home and realises the atrocities that are happening and tries to recompense them so others may wake up to the lies why we are their.

only in the beginning they both went there,both believing what they where doing was right and true.
only one woke up and not many listened.

what i am trying to say is that we will all find the truth within ourselfs oneday.
maybe thats what tptb fear.
and the first guy with the photo may find it later on and he has to live with that.

[Anno]

then you will help in surpressing people.is that your mission?
i don,t think so.

It wouldn't be my mission. I'm thinking about people that start out as truth seekers but after being ridiculed and ignored, their ego takes over and then that can be enticed with money and the adoration of followers.


Conspiracy theories feed ego
Why?
They are divisive, people will form opinions that are contrary to other opinions.
It is extremely easy to manipulate opinion--- believe me.

The ego is fed by being superior, knowing more, being special.
I got it right, the rest are asleep, I am awake -- you are not.
[...]

That's why I can't stand the word 'sheeple' and laugh when so called enlightened folk use it. We're all one, aslong as you agree with me.

[Cidersomerset]

Conspiracy is an agreement of two or more people to perfom an illegal act together either in the past, now or in the future..... millions of these have been perfomed since the 'Dawn' of man/woman.

In fact we are getting ' bogged' down in them IMHP. Even on the forums the sheer number of threads stokes the fires of immagination and intrigue, all great fun and we spend hours going round in circles.

We all know the truth is out there , but we are all living in our own individual realilties connected to the 'one' larger matrix....

Society says we should all work together for the greater good , which as a concept is fine....The trouble is we are all compartmentalised from birth whether we know it or not... If your blue a blood in Europe or a 'untouchable' in Mombi or a economic slave to various corrupt systems that 'rule' the world for some unseen ' Entities' ( conspiricy Theory )..

Where you are in this pecking order severly restricts your life chances and expectancies.....Its has and ever will be that rich get richer and the poor get poorer , unless we can break the cycle . The only way for this to happen is for each of us individually to 'awaken' and throw of the shackles of thousands of years of religion , Royalty , Dictators , & just your common and garden greedy b======s ,

The trouble is as a whole we are still locked into the herd 'mindset' as a species , and when they anounced on TV that 16 million watched 'Britains got Talent' last saturday night , which is very high in these days of multi /channel media.......I fear the masses are even more subliminaly mind controlled than ever..( another conspiricy theory ) But never fear.. Avalon is here... and as long as the net stays up we may be able to 'awaken ' more people.

Although I've always seen the world as a plaything for the rich and powerfull , since a boy . Its only since finding Camalot / Avalon and recently Ion that I've embraced my 'non=physical' Which is far greater and powerfull than the flesh/body and realised this is all an illusion of our own making...For we can breakout of it at anytime and many people have , but not to know where your next pay cheque is comming from and trying to explain that to your wife , family who are not awake , keeps most of us in the economic 'Rat Race'... ( I am)

TPTB know this and they are in Switzerland at the momment for another meeting of the Bilderberge group to make sure we stay firmly in our place..... Don't despair people I feel things, ' They are a Changing ' and we're at the vangard.... Cheers Steve The 'cosmic postie'..........

[greybeard]

then you will help in surpressing people.is that your mission?
i don,t think so.

It wouldn't be my mission. I'm thinking about people that start out as truth seekers but after being ridiculed and ignored, their ego takes over and then that can be enticed with money and the adoration of followers.


Conspiracy theories feed ego
Why?
They are divisive, people will form opinions that are contrary to other opinions.
It is extremely easy to manipulate opinion--- believe me.

The ego is fed by being superior, knowing more, being special.
I got it right, the rest are asleep, I am awake -- you are not.
[...]

That's why I can't stand the word 'sheeple' and laugh when so called enlightened folk use it. We're all one, aslong as you agree with me.

Agree totally
I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
There is a massive difference between being spiritually enlightened and being spiritually awake.
In the full sense of the word only about on in 5million is in that state according to Dr David Hawkins.
If you want more on the state called enlightenment please go here

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.

Chris

[manny]

I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
greybeard

as many of us do,but you will only find degrading if you let it be.
then that is your ego that is doing that.
you will not find it degrading if you see beyond the word and meaning.
for it will mean nothing to you as you are.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well when the doo doo hits the fan, and the sheep start to panic, it takes a good shepherd to call them together and protect them from wolves, afraid this analogy has been around forever... ;)

[greybeard]

I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
greybeard

as many of us do,but you will only find degrading if you let it be.
then that is your ego that is doing that.
you will not find it degrading if you see beyond the word and meaning.
for it will mean nothing to you as you are.

I agree
I am perhaps over protective.
The one using the term is downgrading themselves.
The one being talked about cant be down graded.
Regards
Chris

[manny]

ok lets put it this way.
what conspiracy theory would you like to see happen?
alien contact.
end of the world.
de population.
nwo.

the choice is yours.

[Forevernyt]

I would like to see alien contact, (benevolent if possible), confirmation of existence after death and free energy.

Can we queue these up? Not necessarily in that order?

[Rocky_Shorz]

can I choose none of the above?

Deciding between jumping off a sky scraper, falling off a cruise ship or being hit by a falling piano are tough choices... ;)

[manny]

can I choose none of the above?

Deciding between jumping off a sky scraper, falling off a cruise ship or being hit by a falling piano are tough choices... ;)
you may experience all of them in your parralel lifes,,,,,;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

well we already have alien contacts, so not sure if that fits under conspiracy...

2012 being changed from good news from the Mayans to world destruction is a conspiracy thinking it is being hidden but not one I would chose.

could religious beliefs be considered conspiracy?

[manny]

well we already have alien contacts, so not sure if that fits under conspiracy...

2012 being changed from good news from the Mayans to world destruction is a conspiracy thinking it is being hidden but not one I would chose.

could religious beliefs be considered conspiracy?

have all ready got alien contact?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

everything is heresay....

[Forevernyt]

Well, let's say that it was determined that we survive death. Our spirits live on after our physical form dies. That would be great news to have. However, for the PTB, they would then be dealing with a population unafraid of dying. Think about that for a second. To be un afraid to die.

What could they do to you then? Keep you alive? Threaten to make you live? There would be no adherence to law at all. "What are you going to do, shoot me? Please, go ahead." So, it would be in their best interest to keep that information under wraps, right? It's not necessarily religious at all. Although, religion would be used to help supress it while endorsing it, if that makes any sense. It's late and I want to go home. :0

[manny]

Well, let's say that it was determined that we survive death. Our spirits live on after our physical form dies. That would be great news to have. However, for the PTB, they would then be dealing with a population unafraid of dying. Think about that for a second. To be un afraid to die.

What could they do to you then? Keep you alive? Threaten to make you live? There would be no adherence to law at all. "What are you going to do, shoot me? Please, go ahead." So, it would be in their best interest to keep that information under wraps, right? It's not necessarily religious at all. Although, religion would be used to help supress it while endorsing it, if that makes any sense. It's late and I want to go home. :0

that my friend is called enlightenment.
there is no fear is what is to come.
we all have our own journey.

you wanna go home ....
thats another thread.;)

[ceetee9]

Conspiracy Theories
At the present time we have many conspiracy theories going around .
We have comet Elinin ,2012,chemtrails,earthquakes,food shortages,Haarp,ufo,s,.
The list goes on.
Someone somewhere knows something about certain subjects.

Question example.
E Coli in cucumbers and Swine flu.
why go to the trouble of developing these and releasing them slowly to the population?
When they could spray us with small pox or some other fast acting de population virus.

Why go to the trouble and not just do it.
Because I feel that if wanted to they could.
So why all the drama?

Are we not the conspiracy theorist looking for a conspiracy wherever we can find one!
Look at the Charles saga for example.
If it is true that he was just in it for the money,and so are many others.
Then they are giving us what we are looking for.
Information mixed with disinformation.

So as for conspiracy theorists
maybe just maybe we create them and people give us what we want to hear!
My guess is because psychopaths love to torment their prey before they kill it. Another possibility is that they know once they start the big push to eliminate population, there will be no more denying it and the masses will retaliate. And since these SOBs are essentially cowards, they also know that we'll get some of them before they get all of us and that probably scares the crap out of them. So they continue to test the water and kill us in small doses where plausible deniability still can work in their favor.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well we already have alien contacts, so not sure if that fits under conspiracy...

2012 being changed from good news from the Mayans to world destruction is a conspiracy thinking it is being hidden but not one I would chose.

could religious beliefs be considered conspiracy?

have all ready got alien contact?

¤=[Post Update]=¤

everything is heresay....


ahh so you mean you want to meet an ET, hey Onyx ya busy?

[Forevernyt]

No, I meant I'm stuck at work and I want to go home. :) LOL

[greybeard]

We all survive to be be on a New Earth-- Golden age-- call it what you will.

Good thread manny

Chris

[manny]

ok what about this question.
we all agreed to be here now in these difficult ,life changing times.
why...
ask yourself why you chose to come here now.

[thunder24]

I've been asking myself that since I got to this rock!

peace

[manny]

No, I meant I'm stuck at work and I want to go home. :) LOL
get on with yer work.yer scyver....:p

[ceetee9]

I’ve gotta say I was just thinking about a similar topic this morning. I was thinking about when did I wake up to extreme possibilities? I’ve always been interested in UFOS, secrets, cryptozoology etc, but nothing too serious. If a documentary came on, I would watch it then leave it alone. But, I think ever since 9/11, I have been more involved with learning as much as I can from wherever I can. I feel I’m also more open to extreme possibilities being possibilities more than ever. Does that make me a cook? If you ask my family and friends, the answer is yes. God forbid if I suggest that someone performing a “random” shooting could be a sleeper conducting a hit. Don’t talk about the radiation and Fukushima, no one wants to hear about it. As long as we don’t have rabbits being born with no ears, we’re safe. There are no such things as aliens. It was a weather balloon.

I think that there is a large amount of cognitive dissonance happening in our world. People want to believe they live in these little humdrum safe environments where the good people in politics, although corrupt and greedy, will make sure that I have a job, a car and three square meals a day. We won’t talk about people getting arrested for feeding or caring for the homeless. How a SWAT team could invade a man’s home because his wife owes some money on a loan. They don't see that and they can’t put all of these events into the bigger picture. If you try to explain it to them “CRACK POT!”

Do we see what we want to see so that we can feel like we’re right and they are wrong? Do we go barking up the wrong tree just to bark? I don’t know anymore. I have kids and I am afraid for their future. Between radiation, incoming comets/brown dwarf/alien ships, earth changes/earthquakes/megastorms, CME’s causing losses in the power grid, NWO/ money failures, pandemics, galactic waves, huge dust clouds and whatever else we can find or think of, how can I paint a pretty picture of the future for my kids?

The only thing I can do, is to keep reading, gather the information for myself, go with what resonates with me, and love my children and family as much as I can. Raise them to be loving caring people, that ask questions, search out truth for themselves and to keep their minds open.

Awesome post Forevernyt! Your last paragraph is what I hope we are all doing. I know that is what I'm doing.

[manny]

you see the ptb may have everything in their opinion.
they have the technology the pharmas the oil the food.

what have they not got.

you ,me our essence.

they can not take that and they know it.
each of us are individuals,we are what we are.
so there fore the conspiracy is against them.
for they cannot control human growth and will. and spirituality.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

See this thread for more, they could be merged in theory. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19806-CONSPIRACISM-Avalons-Most-Important-Thread

[Forevernyt]

Yeah, but would you love to have some of their high tech gadgets?? :)

[Anno]

ok lets put it this way.
what conspiracy theory would you like to see happen?
alien contact.
end of the world.
de population.
nwo.

the choice is yours.

I know it's not popular to admit but De-Population all the way. This is the one area where I'm partially in agreement with the alleged PTB. We have such an amazing planet and the surviving hunter gatherer societies prove that we as a species are capable of living in harmony with our planet just like every other living being here. We did so for thousands if not millions of years (depending on who you listen to). Then something happened and we because 'industrious'.

I can see both sides of the argument here. Yes we all have the right to a life of peace and love. But at the same time, is there any realistic way to take everyone alive to that point? It pains me to admit it but a large proportion of our brothers and sisters have no self respect, no respect for others and no appreciation of the wonderful opportunity we have to be alive here on this planet. Do we really need them?

The problem is how do you depopulate. I can't condone a cull but if there were natural disasters and we just didn't intervene. Or if we cut back on medicine and let nature take its course. Maybe re-introduce predators that hunt humans? I dunno. I'd just like a quieter more beautiful Earth populated by people that appreciate her and eachother.

[manny]

Psychologists believe what they have learned and not experienced.

[ceetee9]

I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
There is a massive difference between being spiritually enlightened and being spiritually awake.
Greybeard, I might expect to hear such a comment from someone in the "Politically Correct" crowd. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

It is just a word, like any other, that only has the power you, the receiver, choose to give it. Another person could choose to view someone who claims to be "spiritually enlightened" as a condescending, arrogant SOB. Does that make it true? Not necessarily, but it doesn't nullify their perception either. The point I'm trying to make is words are just words. And while all words have meaning and are used with an intended purpose, the transmitter of a message that contains a word (or words) that a receiver of the message interprets very differently than what the transmitter intended does not make the word (or words) bad or good, degrading or uplifting, condescending or humbling, and they don't, in and of themselves, provide any insight into how awakened, enlightened, intelligent, knowledgeable, or spiritual a person is. It just means that there was a lack of communication.

I won't argue the fact that we could all make better choices in the words we use to help minimize the communication misunderstandings.

[Anno]

I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
There is a massive difference between being spiritually enlightened and being spiritually awake.
Greybeard, I might expect to hear such a comment from someone in the "Politically Correct" crowd. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

It is just a word, like any other, that only has the power you, the receiver, choose to give it. Another person could choose to view someone who claims to be "spiritually enlightened" as a condescending, arrogant SOB. Does that make it true? Not necessarily, but it doesn't nullify their perception either. The point I'm trying to make is words are just words. And while all words have meaning and are used with an intended purpose, the transmitter of a message that contains a word (or words) that a receiver of the message interprets very differently than what the transmitter intended does not make the word (or words) bad or good, degrading or uplifting, condescending or humbling, and they don't, in and of themselves, provide any insight into how awakened, enlightened, intelligent, knowledgeable, or spiritual a person is. It just means that there was a lack of communication.

I won't argue the fact that we could all make better choices in the words we use to help minimize the communication misunderstandings.

I couldn't disagree more. Sheeple is a derogatory word designed to label someone as below you. It's like the spiritual version of racism. I'm enlightened, you're a sheep. I think there's a big word to describe that that's somewhere between Irony and Oxymoron but I don't know what it is.

Words like Sheeple, Goyim, Kufar, Pikey, Moron etc are all there to divide people based on their perceived value and no good can ever come of that.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Yeah, but would you love to have some of their high tech gadgets?? :)

remember many high tech gadgets are built for those without gifts...

with these gifts, we don't need gadgets...

equal forces means as they build cool toys 20,000 years ahead of our time, we are given the gifts to equal the playing field

that is what they are most terrified of...

[Forevernyt]

Perhaps, but it would still be cool to have a holodeck.

I'm joking of course.

Given the choice between superior mental abilities, i.e, telekinesis, telepathy, astral travel vs. high tech gear, give me the mental abilities.
They don't run on batteries and are not subject to EMPs.

[greybeard]

I find sheepie word degrading-- no truly enlightened person would use.
There is a massive difference between being spiritually enlightened and being spiritually awake.
Greybeard, I might expect to hear such a comment from someone in the "Politically Correct" crowd. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say.

It is just a word, like any other, that only has the power you, the receiver, choose to give it. Another person could choose to view someone who claims to be "spiritually enlightened" as a condescending, arrogant SOB. Does that make it true? Not necessarily, but it doesn't nullify their perception either. The point I'm trying to make is words are just words. And while all words have meaning and are used with an intended purpose, the transmitter of a message that contains a word (or words) that a receiver of the message interprets very differently than what the transmitter intended does not make the word (or words) bad or good, degrading or uplifting, condescending or humbling, and they don't, in and of themselves, provide any insight into how awakened, enlightened, intelligent, knowledgeable, or spiritual a person is. It just means that there was a lack of communication.

I won't argue the fact that we could all make better choices in the words we use to help minimize the communication misunderstandings.

I couldn't disagree more. Sheeple is a derogatory word designed to label someone as below you. It's like the spiritual version of racism. I'm enlightened, you're a sheep. I think there's a big word to describe that that's somewhere between Irony and Oxymoron but I don't know what it is.

Words like Sheeple, Goyim, Kufar, Pikey, Moron etc are all there to divide people based on their perceived value and no good can ever come of that.

Yes you have miss understood.
But I can see why.
A truly enlightened one a sage a master is in a different state -- not better just different.
So a fact is not anything other than a fact.
Intention is all important.
Calling some one a shepie or anything is degrading but more degrading for the person actually saying it (they are an equal soul too)
BECAUSE their intention is to degrade they degrade them selves.
They lower their spiritual vibration and that is a sad fact.
People claim to be enlightened when they are not.
If the state is understood properly there is no person no ego let to claim enlightenment.
The Enlightenment/ego thread is full of videos and factual inf regarding that state.

Im tired its been a long day so perhaps I am not explaining well.

All are equal but some actions are not appropriate. ie politically correct sounds good but is it??
Does it really help? I like you think not.

Best wishes

Chris

[ceetee9]

I couldn't disagree more. Sheeple is a derogatory word designed to label someone as below you. It's like the spiritual version of racism. I'm enlightened, you're a sheep. I think there's a big word to describe that that's somewhere between Irony and Oxymoron but I don't know what it is.

That's fine, but I think you've proven my point. YOU have determined sheeple is a derogatory term that labels someone below you. I do not consider someone I may call a sheeple someone below me. I consider them someone who follows the Shepard and chooses not to investigate to determine whether that is a good thing to do or not. This is not derogatory in my mind and because YOU claim it is derogatory doesn't mean you're interpretation is correct and mine is wrong. It merely means we have different interpretations of the word and we're not communicating. In other words, you misunderstood my intent in using the word.

[Rocky_Shorz]

so I guess calling the Royal Bloodlines inbred frogs would be considered as looking down at someone...

naaaa or should I say baaa

[Anno]

I couldn't disagree more. Sheeple is a derogatory word designed to label someone as below you. It's like the spiritual version of racism. I'm enlightened, you're a sheep. I think there's a big word to describe that that's somewhere between Irony and Oxymoron but I don't know what it is.

That's fine, but I think you've proven my point. YOU have determined sheeple is a derogatory term that labels someone below you. I do not consider someone I may call a sheeple someone below me. I consider them someone who follows the Shepard and chooses not to investigate to determine whether that is a good thing to do or not. This is not derogatory in my mind and because YOU claim it is derogatory doesn't mean you're interpretation is correct and mine is wrong. It merely means we have different interpretations of the word and we're not communicating. In other words, you misunderstood my intent in using the word.

I don't know if you intended this, but your post is a weapons grade koan.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Shepherds don't wake the sheep when they are sleeping...

if they tried the sheep would most likely look at them wondering if they are on crack.